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Oh, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host, and

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we've got another great one for you
this evening, Bob Sperry. And I

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got to meet him when I was
in Pine Bush. What is that's going

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on two years ago now, But
anyway, he's a great guy and we're

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gonna be talking about all sorts of
things. He's been very involved in Moufon

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and I'm going to actually be going
to the mouf On Symposium coming up on

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August twenty fourth through the twenty seventh, and that's just outside of Cincinnati,

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and I hope that if you are
planning to be there, you can look

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me up at the conference itself.
And so our blog this week is,

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uh, let's see, it's a
nineteen seventy UFO and humanoid report from Spain,

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another really interesting one by Charles Lear
and so check that out on podcast

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ufo dot com. And let's see. I think we're about ready just to

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jump in and get started here with
my guest. Hey, Bob, welcome

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to the show. How are you, Martin. I'm doing well, doing

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well. I can hear you and
everything, but okay, that's that's what's

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important. Yeah, good to have
you on board, and so I'm really

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looking forward to this symposium. And
this is the last one I went to

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was Cherry Hill way back and lue
Alsando was there. I'm trying to think

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what year that was? Eight?
I was Field Investigator of the Year that

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year. Oh is that right?
So what does it take to become the

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field Investigator of the year. Well, they actually have stain not. They

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have like a formula based on how
many cases you do, how many unknowns

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versus ifos versus hoaxes, insufficient datas
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the classes having the most reliable dispositions
for move on cases that year. Now,

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tell me you just mentioned the word
hoaxes. Would I would imagine that

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the reports to move on that are
hoaxes are fairly low. Do I have

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that wrong? I'd say they're fairly
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I'd say probably six percent at most. And when it's hoaxes, is

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it someone just trying to be funny
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mean, do they really go into
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to deal with some of these yourself? Did yea one of the case of

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interest that we're going to show with
the symposium is actually from an airline pilot

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who claimed he was over Georgia at
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passed over his plane with multi colored
lights. But what a lot of these

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hoaxers don't realize is that we can
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and we can actually see whether or
not he was over Georgia at thirty seven

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thousand feet, and in this particular
case, he didn't get away with it

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where he was, And it's sort
of embarrassing that somebody with that much expertise

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and a professional that's actually piloting a
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majority of hoaxes or people that just
send us outlandish photographs or we have what's

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called keystroke events where they just make
up some sort of outlandish tale and you

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can pretty much tell right away whether
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you know, one of the things, I don't know if this happens

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to you, but it happens to
me quite often, and I don't I'm

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not trying to say anything negative about
the people that send me things. And

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I also I just started this voicemail
message that you can Actually it's right on

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my website. If anyone wants to
leave me their encounter in a voice message,

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I have that on podcast ufo dot
com. You'll see it under UFO

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Sightings. I have a lot of
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me anonymously, and some you know, you know, use their name.

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Some of them are airline pilots.
So that's just on my website. Someone

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wants to talk about that, you
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what I was talking about where I
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talking about the twenty eighteen symposium.
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of thought. It's the guests that's
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But anyway, so I might I
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But so I got distracted by the
new voice message thing I have here.

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But anyway, I do believe it
was how people report. I think that's

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that's what I was where I was
going with this whole thing. When when

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people have a UFO siting, generally
speaking, they're they're pretty solid, but

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it doesn't mean that necessarily what they
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like ten percent of them that are
something that need to be looked at.

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You know, but I know exactly
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was going to ask you, do
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are just as clear as can be, And people will have these circles and

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there's nothing inside the circle. The
UFO right here, and I am looking

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and I expand the picture out as
big as I can. I have a

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big screen here, and I see
absolutely nothing, not even at That's happened

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many times. Well. People will
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nothing in them. Yeah, are
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a donut hole in the middle of
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at all? And they have a
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show me where they will see the
UFO. Yes, I mean there's ways

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that we can enhance the photo to
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and I've seen plenty of those.
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the things that Muffon is going to
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is releasing a gallery of drawings that
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five thousand really interesting drawings, but
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through the entire case management system,
all one hundred and thirty two thousand cases

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looking at jpeg after jpeg after jpeg, and it's astounding how many people see

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a tiny, tiny little dot in
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that they I'd say the majority of
those cases, they're milar balloons or some

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sort of weather balloon that they're seeing
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you have to really zoom in to
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I've seen I've seen some of those
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to pull this up for everyone to
see. Who's in YouTube and Facebook,

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etc. Right now? But this
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page, and there's some videos.
This was one at some fireworks, but

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these all open into larger stories.
A lot of these just uh and and

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and a number of them do have
photographs in them that are pretty intriguing,

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and those are all within the text
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et cetera, you'll see more information. But it is, it is,

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It is amazing how many people,
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of crowd. You know, for
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strumming you know, type of thing
that's where I live, where people get

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together and we play guitar once a
week, and it's amazing. A conversation

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can start and all of a sudden, all these people have had a UFO

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sighting. In this group of say
twenty or thirty people, there were three

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that came right over and where one
guy knew that I did this show on

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UFOs and he talked about it,
and these people came over with quite amazing

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sightings. And it just seems like
everywhere you go there's a part of the

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population that has had UFO sightings.
Yeah. I I just did my fiftieth

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grammar school reunion and we had sixty
people in. About twenty people came over

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to me and said, hey,
Bob, we heard you're really into UFOs.

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Can I tell you my UFO story? This was just my class reunion.

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So I'd say that maybe you know, one tenth of the amount of

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people that see UFOs actually report them. I think that there's probably millions and

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millions and millions of reports that will
never know about That's right. And you

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know what Ryan Graves said at the
hearing last you know, a week and

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a half ago or a couple of
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thinks only five percent of pilots.
Military pilots will actually report. Ninety five

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percent of them will not because they're
afraid of the ridicule, which I do

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I am happy to hear is going
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hopefully the ridicule factor. Yeah,
I definitely think it's it's starting to

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become easier for pilots to report their
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being grounded and having to do a
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that Japanese pilot near Alaska. Yes, he was great. Yeah, So

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I think things are changing for the
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we in our feel investigator ranks,
we do have several commercial airline pilots and

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they make excellent witnesses. That's great. And so I always asked us for

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everyone that I interviewed for the first
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topic to begin with? Well,
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The third one was pretty weird.
It wasn't really a UFO, but

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I'll explain it in a minute.
When I was a kid, on November

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ninth, nineteen sixty five, there
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the way up to Quebec City,
and the next morning my uncle came running

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over the house saying they believe UFOs
were involved, And apparently several UFOs were

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seen over the Clay power station at
Niagara Falls that night seconds before the power

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went out, including one private pilot
and Assessna was actually looking down at the

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power station and saw an orange orb
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the Eastern seaboard, So that originally
is what peaked my interest. I started

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buying the gold Key UFO comics in
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seventies, and in eighty six,
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northern New Jersey Round Valley Reservoir,
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I'm sitting on the beach on an
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a friend of mine and myself we
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I didn't know what an orb was, and it was just hanging over the

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lake for about ten minutes, and
then it began to do crazy maneuvers,

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upside down, question marks going all
of it, and then it just shot

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off at the speed of light.
And it wasn't until Terry Ray wrote a

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book on or the arm phenomenon that
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somebody else knows about these things.
And that was twenty thirteen. I went

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to see him in I think it
was Pittsburgh, because I wanted to talk

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to him, and he told me
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got into muff On. The second
yes signing second sid was I was on

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a train going from Jersey City to
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and I looked out the window at
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pacing the train at sixty miles an
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maybe half a mile high. And
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pace with the train going across the
New Jersey meadows. And once we hit

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the Newark skyline, it just shot
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But the weirdest one was probably two
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Quiebec in the dead of winter through
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very remote. I was the only
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lots of pine trees, lots of
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the trees and there was a sheer
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and I saw what looked like a
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cliff. It was probably the size
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and it was just someplace a machine
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I never saw anything like it in
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I did you turn, went back
to see if I could catch it was

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gone. But I'm telling you it
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made by humans. And it was
just climbing up this cliff. It was

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the strangest thing I ever saw.
Wow, that is the bizarre. I

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really liked the bizarre ones, though, So now I know you do.

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There's a couple of questions that I'll
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know you've done a lot of work
on the balls of Light yourself and historically

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and all that. And last week
I had Christopher bledsoe on and I got

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a little bit of grief. People
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were saying not nice things to me
about Chris and why did I have him

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on here? Why was I exploiting
him if if he you know, has

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issues that type of thing. But
all they had to do is to see

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the videos that he's recorded and the
History Channel recorded at his at his home,

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and you can see these orbs of
light and they're doing weird things,

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you know, over him constantly.
And then I had someone write me and

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say they think it's more of a
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And they made the point where you
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orbs are inside the house or you
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quarters where a backyard and coming up
to you know, right up to someone's

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face and things like that, so
maybe they are more the paranormal. Whatever

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they are, they're unexplainable. I
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a long time and I have a
tendency to believe that it's it's three or

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four different phenomena. Some of it
maybe bull lightning, which is just a

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natural phenomenon, but some people have
encountered bull lightning where when it gets close

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to them, a person will react
and scream and the ball lightning will shoot

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away. As if it had some
sort of rudimentary intelligence. Okay, there

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was a guy in the fifties,
Trevor Constable, who believed that they were

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actually creatures living in the upper atmosphere. When people have encountered orbs, some

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people have tried to surround them,
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They'll move up if they feel trapped. So it makes me think that one

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possibility is they could be some sort
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just don't understand yet, because it
may be plasma based, all right.

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Other people have encounters where these orbs, in a sort of a paranormal way,

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will actually turn into beings. In
one case in South America, and

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was on his deck and season two
orbs come down to his deck. He

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was suffering from cancer. They turn
into two little people. They go this

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one is sick. Heal him and
suddenly his cancer disappears, and they turn

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into bowls of light again and take
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doctor, his cancer is cured.
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actual plasma in cased of structures that
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the case with the FedEx airplane flying
from Mexico City to Tennessee a couple of

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years ago. It actually made Network
TV where the object paced the plane for

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thirty three minutes and when they reached
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object made a right turn and shut
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with Ted Row from NARCAP and he
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may have been an actual craft wrapped
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radar signal, and that maybe it
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pilot actually panned down from filming the
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collision radar and it wasn't there.
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think that these plasma bulls might be
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avoid radar. Wow. Wow,
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you're right. I think there could
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mean, it just seems like that. I mean, how can anyone say,

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think that part that you just said
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possibility that some type of life that
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kind of reminds me of some things
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that exists here that we don't even
you know, I forget exactly what he

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said, but of a very high
intelligence. But I don't know. I

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wouldn't think that these things, if
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they see to be enough to get
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I don't see any other type of
intelligence or hear about anything. The ones

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that are the strangest of the ones
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If you're familiar with Albert Rosales,
he has like fourteen books of humanoid

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sightings throughout history two thousand years,
and they're fascinating. And he literally has

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probably close to a hundred encounters in
his books of orbs that turn into some

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sort of beings. So there's definitely
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there is a story that I was
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it was, but they interviewed a
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was perfectly okay. In other words, she was no signs of senility or

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anything like that. And she said
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move around and all of ad.
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turned into what looked like a big
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kind of what you're talking about?
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I don't not not I only say
little humanoids or you know, tall blonde

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Nordics. But there Albert definitely has
several cases where these orbs turned into big

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foot, and we know that many
big foot as seen in conjunction with with

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the UFO reports. Yep, the
big foots. The orbs have turned into

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big foot's. Yes, so it's
not I mean, as crazy as it

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sounds, other people have reported the
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something like that, I think I'd
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Yeah, it's so hard to believe, but but so so much of

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what we look into is so very
hard to believe. So let's let's talk

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just quickly. I want to bring
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are. Yeah, and I'm really
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going. So let's see sure.
Our keynote speaker is going to be David

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Polides, who wrote the four eleven
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them and they're fascinating, especially the
stories about the children who are found always

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near some sort of you know,
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in impossible places where a baby would
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island. So I always found his
his fascinating that there are definitely places like

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up near Vancouver that are hot spots
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very strange cases that move on ourselves
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So I look forward to him.
He'll be our banquets speaker. We

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also will have we So let's just
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When I met him in twenty eighteen
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to him in the booth, right
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a bit that evening and I said, Hey, would you ever be on

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my show and talk about UFOs?
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Now, I want you know,
I'm really into this four one one and

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I don't want to mix it up
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he has a book with the UFO
connection, and I've been trying to reach

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him. I'm going to be talking
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been trying to reach him. Two. Okay, now let's talk about UFOs

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finally. But right, he did
he did seem to change his attitude towards

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UFOs over the past couple of years. That did. That is interesting.

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Abu Lobe. He'll be, uh,

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he will be. I talked to
him today. He will be not he

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won't be there in person, but
he will be there via internet. Right,

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Yeah, he's gonna lie live stream
that. The problem was that this

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year, it just so happened that
his book publisher, I believe, decided

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to put his book out the same
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so he couldn't appear in person.
But yeah, right now, he

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just came back from his expedition at
the ocean trying to recover pieces of that

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possible meteorite that may actually be the
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debris from a UFO, and he
probec a couple of very interesting specimens that

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I believe they're they're analyzing now that
seemed to be of a composition that would

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not be possible with the human technology
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one thing I like very much about
what he intends to do is he intends

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to be transparent about everything, and
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think that, you know, I
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I talk to him. He's a
fascinating guy, and you know, he

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thinks sort of like a child,
the curiosity of a child, and I

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mean that all in a good way. And Thiago, I had him on

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the show years ago, A real
nice guy. I'm looking forward to meeting

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him. Yes, he's a very
very very nice family man. He is

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our national director of Brazil and as
you know, the people of Brazil have

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a great interest in UFOs ufology,
So he's just he's just a giant down

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there in South America. Yes,
and speaking of Brazil and the Vargina case

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is really interesting and it's possible.
I'm going to give him a lot of

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grief if he doesn't make it.
But I think I'm gonna have James Fox

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on next week. I do believe
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about that. Michael Masters. I
enjoy talking to him, hung out with

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him out in Phoenix. He's a
great guy. Now, for those of

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you who don't know or have just
watched us for the first time, he

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has a theory of that these are
these what we're seeing is time travelers coming

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back, which I think is a
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as any other idea if you got, if you ask. I also so

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am a person who leans towards time
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what they might be coming back for. I have a number of different theories

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on it myself, but I definitely
like Michael Master's approach to it. I

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think it's fresh, I think it's
different, and I think there's a lot

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of validity that it could be humans
from the future, and to a crinkle

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to that, I think it could
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I won't go into that anymore till
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well, that's an interesting thing.
Linda Zimmerman a lovely woman and I've seen

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I've seen her at many events over
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a number of times. She's a
wonderful, wonderful speaker, I always always

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enjoy hearing what she has to say
and the contact humans and animals. That

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one is another fascinating topic, if
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Pine Bush several years ago. Very
very nice lady wouldographed my book. Yeah,

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and I'm like forty five minutes from
Pine Bush, so I'm in the

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Hudson I'm on the edge of the
Hudson Valley and there's a lot of you

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know, strange things go on up
here too. But yes, you're a

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very very very nice person. And
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or not. That's terrible. I've
had a lot of people sometimes I actually

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forget, but I don't think I've
had him on my show. I don't

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know if he's uh, if he
has made the rounds in Radio World or

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not. No, you know,
he's somebody that I'm waiting to see.

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I've never seen him speak, so
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So he's the one one speaker I
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I know he has a lot of
very interesting ideas. Yeah, and I've

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heard her name for years Uh,
Terry Ling. I don't even know how

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to pronounce her last name, Terry
Linkell. She's one of our board of

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directors. She's an experiencer herself.
She has very very interesting experiences in her

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lifetime and I know her very well
and I'm sure she's going to definitely entertain

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people who listen to her when she
talks about her own experiences and how it

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has healed her. Yeah. And
then we have Barbara Soupani. Barbara is

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our Muffon Journal editor. She's John
Schistler's daughter. So if oh, you

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won a first hand account about UFO
encounters because she has worked with her father

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for decades, you're going to get
a lot of the scientific side of things

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if you come to listen to her
speak. Wow, isn't that something?

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And Mike's been on the show three
or four times. I think he's a

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great guy and he'll be fun to
hang out with. Mike Cleveland does owls

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in UFO. Contact Grant Cameron a
number of He's been on the show also

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a number of times, and that
guy can put out some some data I

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have. I have a number of
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on target too to be perfectly honest. He has some interesting thoughts, that's

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for sure. And Yvonne Smith always
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lineup, and that's going to be
a really good I'm really excited to be

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there coming up at the end of
this month. So so let's let's talk

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a little bit about some of the
UFO investigations that you have done. You

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mentioned that you twenty eighteen year investigator. Was it National Investigator of the Year.

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the Years. They could be from
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I've had a number of ones and
I've done a lot of research on

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cases. One of the things that
I'm blessed to be able to do is

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have absolute total access to the CMS, the case management system at MUFON,

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and we have one hundred and thirty
two thousand cases in it. I love

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old historical cases and I'm also a
patterns guy, so I'm always looking for

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patterns in UFO cases. And some
of the ones that we're going to be

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doing at the symposium in the Cases
of Interest presentation are when I do this

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research and we'll pick a case from
twenty twenty two for example, that's very

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interesting and we'll try to find correlating
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of course happened this year in Februaries
that after the Chinese balloon was shot down

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on February third, following week,
three other objects were shot down over North

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America on February tenth, eleventh,
and twelfth, and we've really never gotten

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an answer on what they shot down, if indeed they shot down. Anything

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was over the tundra in Alaska,
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in Canada, and one was seventeen
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States in the Lake Uron. And
what's interesting about that is that the pilot

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over Lake Uron needed two sidewinder missiles
to take it out. He described it

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as small, and he described it
as an octagon. And if you saw

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the arrow hearings, doctor Kirkpatrick was
describing that what they're zeroing in on our

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objects under five meters in length or
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smaller the size of a Volkswagen Beetle. And we got an enormous number of

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cases this year of objects that were
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that was shot down allegedly as the
pilot described over Lake Uron. So I

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went in and I did some research
on octagons because the CMS will allow you

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to do key word searches, and
what I found was absolutely fascinating and absolutely

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scary and in a nutshell, one
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the symposium is that we in the
past several years have been overrun with octagon

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shaped objects, and there's a particular
size of an octagon, usually about sixty

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feet in diameter, and we may
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This to made our sightings f Enridges
made our group that has the series

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of probes around the United States that
try to capture changes in barometric pressure and

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compass mad compass swings in the electromagnetic
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straight in from outer space, which

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would be very, very scary and
unusual. Wouldn't we have some type of

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satellite that would tracks something like that, Oh, of course, But you

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know, the United States government said
that they gave up the search after five

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days for this, which I don't
believe at all, because where this object

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went down over Lake Uron. It's
about one hundred and forty five feet deep,

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and they said they can't find it. But a submersible implodes in twelve

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thousand feet of water in a search
field that's the size of Connecticut, and

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they find it in three days and
actually retrieved the submersible tuesdays later. But

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they can't find something in one hundred
and forty five feet of water. I'd

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say that I'm not anticipating, you
know, total disclosure from the government anytime

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soon. And I got in trouble
for saying that last week. But that's

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just my opinion. That's not the
opinion of move on. Well, I

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tend to agree with you. I
mean, if they it seems to me

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like they would really want to look
and find what was unless they already somehow

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knew what it was. That type
of thing. This is when they retrieved

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the Chinese the spy balloon. And
the people that listen to the show all

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the time know that I was actually
right underneath it when it was shot.

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I just happened to be in Myrtle
Beach and looked up and there it was.

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I got out of the car and
the thing was shot right in front

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of me. Which was really bizarre. But yeah, oh, and they

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retrieved that from I think one hundred
and ten feet of water in Atlantic within

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a day. They knew exactly where
it was, and the Chinese wanted it

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back. They said, we want
our balloon back. Something I don't think

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00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:42,680
anybody ever thinks about is nobody has
asked for any of the three objects that

407
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:45,599
was shot down back, not Rush
and not China that I ran, not

408
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,319
anybody. So you know who did
they belong to? The other three objects,

409
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:52,160
Well, one of them, I
think one of them was like a

410
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,880
student type of situation. I do
believe, unless I have that wrong.

411
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Did you did you hear that?
Yeah? I heard that one of them

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was a hobby balloonist balloon that was
from a club and I think was Indiana

413
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,920
or Ohio. But the problem with
that theory is that the object that was

414
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shot down over Lake Urine was first
spotted the day before coming from Montana.

415
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,799
So I don't know if the Gulf
stream goes west to east, how somebody

416
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:28,079
in Indiana, Ohio could have a
hobby balloon coming from Montana towards them.

417
00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:32,359
So I have issues with some of
those those student hobby club balloon theories.

418
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,279
Ah, yeah, okay, I'm
just gonna pop this question up. I

419
00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:42,559
mentioned this before we went on,
you know, on the air. If

420
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:45,720
you knew anything about Bob, you
have not heard anything about this. This

421
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:50,480
is uh. There's news out of
Peru that there's some type of attacks going

422
00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:53,839
on, and I actually have been
talking with Ben Hansom a little bit about

423
00:33:53,839 --> 00:34:00,039
that. He's supposedly says the police
are actually involved in it. What it

424
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:04,359
is, I have no idea,
but and speaking of that, my guest

425
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:10,679
from that had a Peru incident is
coming up on September fifth, just giving

426
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:15,800
that a little plug. Jonathan Wygant
will be on show on September five,

427
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:21,800
and that was a military encounter in
Peru. Lots of people are very familiar

428
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,360
with his talk that he did about
two thousand and one, somewhere around there,

429
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,880
maybe two thousand and three. He
talked about the incident back then.

430
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,159
Here's a question that came up a
while back, Bob, can you give

431
00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:42,559
a comparative current numbers of sightings point
light versus disc spheres things like that.

432
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,239
Well, I can tell you that
over the pisted several decades, the number

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00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:53,199
of points of light has increased and
the number of discs and spheres has decreased

434
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:59,800
precipitously. Also, we find a
lot of triangles, But if you look

435
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:06,119
at these statistics for triangles, it
has been really steady for about twenty years

436
00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:10,880
now about how many triangles we get. But the number of disks is without

437
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,679
doubt going down. The number of
sites of points of light at night is

438
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:20,840
going up. Part of that,
I believe is that people all have cell

439
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,679
phone cameras now and when they see
something at night, they're clicking on it.

440
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:29,280
Unfortunately, most of the photos we
get for points of light at night

441
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,960
are essentially useless because they're out of
focus because the camera is trying to focus

442
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:39,400
on an infinite black background, so
you really cannot tell what the person is

443
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:45,199
actually trying to photograph or film in
a lot of these cases. Another one,

444
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:52,079
cigars have gone down precipitously. But
at the same time, people are

445
00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:59,039
mistaking trains of starlink satellites for long
cylindrical objects with portholes, when actually it's

446
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:05,440
just disparate points of sixty lights in
the sky flying overhead. Yeah, so

447
00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:09,840
what would you say, this is
a I'm going to bring in a let's

448
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:15,000
see is this right? Yeah,
I'm gonna bring in Stan Gordon gets a

449
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:20,679
lot of reports himself out of Pennsylvania
and this just happened back in August third

450
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,639
and I can put this also in
the show notes so people could see it.

451
00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:28,079
But it was a large it's a
very very good witness that did this

452
00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:31,760
really nice detail drawing. And it's
the typical one you know that you hear

453
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,639
about the silent and then the lights
on the corners and a larger light in

454
00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:40,079
the center. And a lot of
people argue that they think those are military

455
00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:45,280
and you know, secret military,
and what is your opinion on that?

456
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,000
Well, if you're familiar with Charles
Fort, and I'm sure you are,

457
00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:54,800
he wrote a book back around linkedeen
twenty where he had UFO reports of triangles

458
00:36:54,800 --> 00:37:00,360
back in the eighteen hundreds. In
the eighteen nineties, in David malo book

459
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:05,920
Estimate of the Situation about Triangles,
there is a drawing from a nineteen sixty

460
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,559
four or nineteen sixty five newspaper article
that shows exactly what you just showed me.

461
00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:17,800
And probably the proof that this is
a real phenomenon is the five thousand

462
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,880
drawings that I was just telling you
about earlier. That move on is putting

463
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:27,480
together. That's going to be a
drawing gallery for members sometime probably early next

464
00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:32,599
year. And I can tell you
there's probably three or four hundred triangle drawings

465
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:37,559
over decades that look exactly like what
you just put up by Stan Gordon.

466
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:43,199
How about that? Now? The
kind of the complaints that I hear about

467
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:46,079
move on. Our people will say
things to me like why can't we access

468
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:50,679
the database? But it has a
lot to do with anonymity, right with

469
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,679
the witnesses. Mostly, Yeah,
there's a couple of things going on.

470
00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:00,760
For example, we were getting a
lot of piracy, okay, and people

471
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:06,039
were stealing our cases, so we
have to keep them behind a paywall from

472
00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:10,800
members only. And members can access
and do searches up to fifty cases at

473
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,639
a time, and they can access
search parameters like year, month, day,

474
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:22,719
shape, color. They just can't
see the total investigation that the field

475
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:29,239
investigator will do because we have to
keep the witnesses anonymous. And that's doubly

476
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:35,599
true for people who are experiencers that
come to us seeking answers. The other

477
00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:39,559
issue right now is we're revamping the
CMS, We're moving it to a new

478
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:46,599
server, and right now we have
a technical difficulty in showing certain things that

479
00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:50,880
a member would see, such as
the city. We can show the county.

480
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,320
But because of the changes we're doing, we're moving to a latitude longitude

481
00:38:54,360 --> 00:39:00,239
system because a lot of times people
who are witnesses when they submit in a

482
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,119
case, they don't know how to
spell the name of the town, for

483
00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:07,199
example, and we can't find it
on a map. So we're going to

484
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:12,920
a drop down menu so that the
cities will be spelled exactly and they can

485
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,119
be pinpointed to latitude and longitude on
a map for another project we're doing.

486
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:22,360
So it is a temporary problem that
will be fixed very shortly. But you

487
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:27,320
can't see everything that a field investor
could see if you remember. But if

488
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,119
you're the public, you can't see
anything at all at this point because Facebook

489
00:39:31,159 --> 00:39:36,639
and YouTube, we're just stealing everything
from us, and that hurts us when

490
00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:43,519
we work with television production companies.
Oh, absolutely this. Stephen has written

491
00:39:43,519 --> 00:39:47,440
about this question a couple of times, and I don't know the curiosity I

492
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,840
have about his question here is how
about the football field size red rectangle from

493
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:58,719
the UFO hearing that I believe Matt
Gates was talking to Ryan Graves about it.

494
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:06,559
Now, my question about this is. Are you familiar with this being

495
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:10,320
reported? To move on? No, I just I read that about the

496
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:16,800
red rectangle. But we have a
lot of rectangle reports, and some of

497
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,280
them are read, some of them
are different colors, some of them are

498
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,920
yellow, and it's been going on
a long time. When I was at

499
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:27,920
my class reunion, one of the
people that came up to me to tell

500
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,239
me their story was they were on
an airplane in twenty ten going to a

501
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:37,760
wedding near California and he saw it
would looked like a yellow square coming towards

502
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,360
the plane, and it just got
bigger and bigger and bigger in it.

503
00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:43,679
He said, my god, this
thing's going to hit us. Suddenly the

504
00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:45,960
plane dove came back up, and
when they landed, he went to the

505
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,760
pilots and said, did you see
that? And they go, Sir,

506
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,599
if you want to follow a report, go to the FAA office at the

507
00:40:52,679 --> 00:40:55,480
end of the hall. We don't
want to have anything to do with it.

508
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,559
So I can tell you that in
our files have rectangles, and we

509
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:05,760
have red rectangles, and we have
yellow rectangles, and we have black rectangles,

510
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,840
etc. Amazing And how long once
you have a siting, how long

511
00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:15,400
do you have to report it,
like, can you report something that was

512
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:20,239
years ago. Yes. As a
matter of fact, I do a lot

513
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,039
of genealogy, and back in the
nineties before I belonged to Mouffon, I

514
00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:29,400
was looking at baptism registers from Jersey
City, New Jersey, and I found

515
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:34,840
that eighteen sixty four account of a
cross in the sky illuminated cross in the

516
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:39,599
sky flying over Lower Manhattan, and
the woman told it to her parish priest.

517
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,880
He wrote it in the footnotes of
the baptism register and he even drew

518
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:49,159
a picture of it and it looked
like an airplane with an illuminated cockpit.

519
00:41:49,679 --> 00:41:54,159
I submitted that to Moufon before I
really knew what Mouffon was all about.

520
00:41:54,239 --> 00:42:00,320
It ended up being the earliest report
that Muffon ever had of a UFO,

521
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,840
and I even submitted the drawing and
the baptism registered page. So yes,

522
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,639
we get a lot of people who
wait thirty forty fifty years to report things.

523
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:15,440
And the scary thing about it is
that a lot of these people who

524
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:20,320
were adults are reporting things when they
were children. When I was seven years

525
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,920
old. This happened to me when
I was ten, and I have always

526
00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:28,760
thought it was a little creepy.
How many reports we get of school yard

527
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:34,119
encounters, of reports from people who
were children when this happened, that there's

528
00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:40,760
definitely an interest in children as far
as whoever is piloting these objects sort of

529
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,400
creepy. Yeah, no, no, it makes I mean President Dennett did

530
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:52,599
a book I think over one hundred
five school yard you know sightings, and

531
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,760
since then, you know, he's
found more. And then I had someone

532
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:02,719
from Oakland contact me and told me
about his schoolyard sighting back in the nineteen

533
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,400
seventies that he and someone else saw. It was a gold colored object.

534
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,000
You know that one. Have you
ever heard of someone to say he said,

535
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,280
it looked just like it was plated
with gold. Yes, I've heard

536
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,079
that many times. You have.
All Right, since you have is that

537
00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:21,760
you're familiar with all these I'm going
to tell you what I saw and see

538
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,159
if you've ever heard of anything like
it. I had. Basically was a

539
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:30,000
perfectly shaped disc. Now as I
was looking up so I couldn't see the

540
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:32,079
side of it, whether it had
a dome on the top or not.

541
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:38,159
But I mean it had a light
blue glow around the entire thing, like

542
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,480
a field or something around the whole
thing. Have you ever heard of anything

543
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:46,039
like that? Yes, I have. If you go into the CMS and

544
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:52,559
do a keyword search for say blue
or blue disc, you will get numerous

545
00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:55,000
hits. A lot of times they
believe it has something to do with the

546
00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:00,119
propulsion system, all right. Sometimes
when UFOs in coming or going, they

547
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:05,360
change color, or they'll have a
luminosity around them. That may be some

548
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,800
sort of field. And if they
are actually using anti gravity technology, it

549
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:15,039
would be the envelope that they're actually
contained within. Unfortunately, we've never found

550
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:21,840
anti gravitons yet, so it's only
a theory, but definitely, and you

551
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,960
can go all the way back to
John Keel in the nineteen sixties, who

552
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:30,559
is the first person who tried to
describe this phenomenon of some sort of blue

553
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:37,280
or orange or red of fields around
or glows around these objects. And the

554
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:43,599
consensus today is that it's probably something
to do with the propulsion system. How

555
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:46,480
about that luminosity is a really good
word for it. That's basically what I

556
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:52,840
would what I would consider it to
be. But and that's strange that they

557
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:58,920
come in different colors, you know, and all these things. You know,

558
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,719
I can never heard of another gold
one, but you have heard gold

559
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:07,599
before. Like you said, it
was very, very bright. And you

560
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:10,360
know, in some cases though it
depending on the time of day. If

561
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:15,320
these people are seeing these silver spheres
and the sun is going down, in

562
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,880
some cases it may appear golden or
coppered to them when it's in actuality a

563
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:24,400
silver sphere and it's just the setting
sun gives it that shade of red or

564
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:30,559
shade of gold. Now here's another
question, but it's totally unspeculation, and

565
00:45:30,679 --> 00:45:35,920
that is you mentioned the change and
what people are seeing, you know,

566
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,679
the orbs of light, points of
light spheres, triangles, discs, or

567
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:47,800
cigar shape. Why do you suppose
that the different shapes come along. Well,

568
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,559
I'll tell you something me and show
a Costa basically came through a conclusion

569
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:55,960
independently, and I talked to her
about it a couple of years ago.

570
00:45:57,679 --> 00:46:01,800
You never get orbs in March,
and our joke was that maybe March is

571
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:09,480
when orbs are down for maintenance.
Okay, So if say there's more than

572
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:15,440
one type of visitor coming from more
than one type of place, I think

573
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:20,719
that that has a lot to do
with it. Our triangles, the replacements

574
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:27,039
for cylinders, because there are certainly
a number of correlations from older cylinder cases

575
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,639
with blue beams and white beams shooting
down from them that compare to triangles with

576
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:38,039
blue beams and white beams shooting down
from them. So is somebody updating their

577
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:44,000
model to the you know, two
thousand and twenty three, you know flying

578
00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:47,760
saucer or you know? Is it
that there's lots of different visitors coming from

579
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,400
lots of different places. And I
think either of those theories are valid,

580
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:59,679
yes, And some of us just
talking about this was pretty amazing during the

581
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:06,360
nineties, the Belgium triangle wave,
and I mean they all look very similar,

582
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,000
similar to the triangles, but they
were smaller, I do believe,

583
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:15,280
right, yes, and they had
blunt ends, they weren't exactly pointed.

584
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:22,599
And in our little gallery of drawings
we find several different variations in triangles,

585
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:29,480
which is pretty interesting. Another interesting
thing about triangles is people will either describe

586
00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:35,480
them as having a flat matt finish
on the bottom or they'll describe tubing and

587
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,920
all sorts of intricate patterns on the
bottom. And so we have those different

588
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:45,480
types of triangles. There's also triangles
that are thicker than other triangles when people

589
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:52,239
see the triangle moving away, Sometimes
the triangles very thin. Sometimes the triangles

590
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:57,119
very thick. Okay, sometimes they
have three lights in the back, sometimes

591
00:47:57,159 --> 00:48:04,119
they don't. People describe triangles is
having only amber lights. And in our

592
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,840
sketch gallery from the witnesses, we've
discovered that there's an inordinate amount of triangles

593
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:15,679
that actually have pink lights. So
there are many many variations in the types

594
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:21,280
of triangles that we're seeing, especially
in witness sketches. That's amazing. You

595
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,280
really know you're a craft. I'm
going to tell you a story of a

596
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,920
guy that I a friend of mine
who's been on the Antiques Road Show for

597
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:34,159
many years, and we were sharing
an office together and I told him I

598
00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:37,599
did a show on UFOs, and
then he told me his story which blew

599
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:44,320
my mind. That he was at
college in a tower at Amherst University in

600
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:49,800
Massachusetts, and this square box came
in. He said, it was like

601
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,159
a box and it was down about
the seventeenth floor and it just was floating

602
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:57,360
there and it had lights blinking all
the way around it, on all the

603
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:02,079
corners and in the center. Then
it shot up into the sky and they

604
00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:07,719
saw a jet fighter come toward it, and then it burst into five lights,

605
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,079
and then the lights made a pattern
in between themselves, and then the

606
00:49:12,159 --> 00:49:15,400
lights shot off and the jet went
after it, but it couldn't keep up

607
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,519
with it. I mean, that
is such a bizarre thing. Have you

608
00:49:17,559 --> 00:49:22,039
ever heard of something other than Randallsham
Forest. I've never heard of anything bursting

609
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:28,519
into lights, Yes, I have. Also I know about the boxes too.

610
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,599
Are you familiar with Katie Page for
moof on Our color yea. She

611
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:37,639
has a phenomenal story from when she
was a child and she was living on

612
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:44,039
a farm and there was a lot
of interesting things Colorado, Colorado, and

613
00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:47,400
the boxes. The black boxes kept
showing up on the farm. And what

614
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:53,159
was interesting was I was going through
one of the old nineteen seventies UFO magazines,

615
00:49:53,199 --> 00:50:00,400
which is when Katie's occurrences happened,
and I actually found a correlating case

616
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:05,760
article about another black box in the
seventies, not in Colorado. I believe

617
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,599
it was a yours. It was
fairly close by, and I ended up

618
00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:12,760
sending it to her because it was
such a close match to what was happening

619
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,800
on the farm where she was living. But we also have I wouldn't say

620
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:22,119
a lot, but I'd say we
probably have maybe eight or nine black box

621
00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:28,119
small black box stories in the Muffun
case management system. Now how often,

622
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:30,679
I mean, I could go on
just the shapes and things of what people

623
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:36,039
seeing. I could go on for
a while about that. But I heard

624
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:40,400
of one recently which was one I've
heard before. Barbell shaped. You get

625
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,599
those every once in a while,
right, yes, And you know,

626
00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:47,519
if I had a little more time
at the symposium, I would have vated

627
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:52,400
barbells in this year. I'm actually
working on an article on barbells. We

628
00:50:52,440 --> 00:51:00,000
had a phenomenal case back in twenty
fourteen of I believe it was twenty fourteen,

629
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:04,760
twenty fifteen. There were some hunters
way way up in Ontario and they

630
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,639
saw this massive dumbbell shaped object.
Yes, I'm familiar with that case.

631
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:14,199
Okay, that's not the only one
that we found. As a matter of

632
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:19,519
fact, when I was researching the
octagons, I came across the report from

633
00:51:19,519 --> 00:51:28,519
the Yukon and it was actually a
massive dumbbell with two octagon red octagon shaped

634
00:51:28,599 --> 00:51:32,239
lights at each end of it.
And it was also the size of the

635
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:37,800
object that was seen in Ontario.
I'm under the impression it might have been

636
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,360
the same object, because again it
was in a remote part of Canada.

637
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:49,199
What's really really interesting about that case
is that fifteen miles away in twenty sixteen,

638
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,199
we had a report from a place
called has Lake where a guy filming

639
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:59,639
auto autumn foliage with his drone in
the middle of absolutely nowhere in the Canadian

640
00:51:59,639 --> 00:52:05,239
far it was accosted by an object
coming out of the trees that seemed to

641
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:10,159
be small and disc shape, again
smaller than a Volkswagen beetle. Where where

642
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:15,000
was this? Where did this take
place? A Hoss Lake? It was

643
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:22,400
Saskatchew. It was like thirty miles
west of Saskatchewan in a place called Hass

644
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:30,199
Lake. And the dumbbell shaped object
was only fifteen miles from this small disc

645
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:36,320
that accosted the drone and the disk
when it came out of the farest and

646
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,800
passed the drone as if looking to
see what it was and surveiling it.

647
00:52:39,519 --> 00:52:45,119
We took the video apart, frame
by frame and the thing was going mark

648
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:51,199
seven five thousand miles per hour.
So fifteen miles away from that we have

649
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,639
a massive dumbbell object. And it
seems to be that they liked the Canadian

650
00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:00,760
wilderness to far north because there's probably
a lot of cover for a very large

651
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:06,239
dumbbell object. All right, I
would like to talk a little longer right

652
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,159
now. I want to say goodbye
to everyone know or at KGr A Radio.

653
00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:12,840
Hopefully we'll be back with James Fox
next week. He is very busy,

654
00:53:13,159 --> 00:53:15,880
so he couldn't commit to me by
the time the show started, but

655
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,960
I'll have another guest of it's not
James Fox, but thank you everyone over

656
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,880
at KGr A Radio. I'd like
to continue on this conversation because can you

657
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:29,280
describe a little bit Just a minute
ago you talked about something coming out of

658
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,440
the trees, and I'd like to
hear a little more detail about that,

659
00:53:31,519 --> 00:53:37,440
because I have been contacted by an
ex military person that has a ranch in

660
00:53:37,519 --> 00:53:45,000
New Mexico that described almost identical what
you were talking about. Yes, we

661
00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:50,599
call them fast movers, and they're
pretty small. They're smaller than in some

662
00:53:50,639 --> 00:53:53,880
cases of car engine. One of
the cases of interest is we had one

663
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:59,639
over the Atlantic Ocean this past summer
something June fifth, I believe it was

664
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:04,480
twenty two. Plane was coming from
Rhode Island to make it an approach to

665
00:54:05,079 --> 00:54:09,320
Philadelphia International airport over the Atlantic,
incidentally, twenty miles out from McGuire Air

666
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:14,880
Force Base, which is a UFO
hotbed over the decades, and it almost

667
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,199
collided with him, and he said, had it collided with us, even

668
00:54:17,199 --> 00:54:22,599
a glancing blow, it would have
been catastrophic. Okay. The object that

669
00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:28,679
I described to you in the video
from hass Lake three months later in I

670
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:34,719
believe it's Almere, South Carolina or
North Carolina. You might know because that's

671
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,679
the jury. I can't think of
the name of accomplicans with a small town.

672
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:45,880
Somebody Else's drone three months later filmed
the exact same object that was filmed

673
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:51,840
over hass Lake, smaller than a
Volkswagen Beetle flying it approximately mocked seven.

674
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:59,519
If you go on YouTube, there
are actually more videos are right from the

675
00:54:59,559 --> 00:55:06,639
Netherlands, from Wisconsin, from upstate
New York of the same small objects that

676
00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:12,119
are traveling so fast that you have
to slow down the videos to see them.

677
00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:15,119
And they're all the size of car
engine blocks that the size of small

678
00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:21,440
Volkswagen beetles. Crazy stuff. Now, what about out of the trees?

679
00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:27,119
You said this came something. Yeah, if the video is it's a very

680
00:55:27,159 --> 00:55:31,480
short clip. It's only like twelve
seconds long. But it either was coming

681
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:36,519
along the tops of the trees and
came up to meet this drone that was

682
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:40,480
taking photographs of the autumn foliage,
or it shot right out of the trees.

683
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:45,360
If it shot out of the trees, that would suggest that was going

684
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:50,639
from zero to five thousand miles per
hour in a quarter of a mile.

685
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,440
That would be insane, all right. The other possibilities that it was flying

686
00:55:54,480 --> 00:56:00,760
along low over the treetops, saw
the drone and came up and five feet

687
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,119
of it to surveil it to see
if it was if it posed some sort

688
00:56:04,159 --> 00:56:07,480
of threat to it. So there's
a lot of stuff going on in the

689
00:56:07,519 --> 00:56:13,480
wilderness of Upper Canada, I can
tell you that for sure. Well,

690
00:56:13,519 --> 00:56:16,760
this particular story, I think it's
fascinating. I'm trying to get him and

691
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:22,400
his military body that was visiting him
on this ranch. They're walking the dogs

692
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,400
late at night. I was about
two in the morning or something like that,

693
00:56:25,559 --> 00:56:30,679
out under the moonlight, and they
came up onto this tree on a

694
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:35,039
ridge and they felt like a presence. I saw something in the tree.

695
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:37,920
They thought they saw eyes or something, and then these things came out of

696
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:43,519
the trees and then they came at
him and stopped and then shot off,

697
00:56:43,559 --> 00:56:46,599
and it just it wasn't like any
type of animal, a bird or something.

698
00:56:46,679 --> 00:56:52,400
It's really bizarre stuff. And I
love the bizarre ones. Those are

699
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:57,440
my favorites. Now, there was
a woman that talked about a barbell experience,

700
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:05,239
I believe Michael A. Shrat I
was talking about it, where there

701
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:10,199
was a barbell and hovering above her
and she saw what looked like a muffler

702
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:14,639
shop, all these things hanging inside
of a door. Did you ever hear

703
00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:17,079
about that one? That one's a
bit no, but it sounds it sounds

704
00:57:17,239 --> 00:57:21,960
similar to what I was talking about
before with the triangles that there are some

705
00:57:22,039 --> 00:57:28,079
triangles that seem to have tubular structures
on the very complicated tubular structures. And

706
00:57:28,159 --> 00:57:32,280
also the I believe the object that
was shut down over allegedly shut down over

707
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:37,079
Lake Uron had some sort of strings
hanging down from it. And there's also

708
00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:43,280
people who have filmed with look like
jellyfish objects that seemed to have appendages hanging

709
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,719
down. I know somebody in the
in the chat mentioned that earlier. So

710
00:57:46,119 --> 00:57:53,840
what are these things hanging down off
these objects? Is interesting antennae or is

711
00:57:53,880 --> 00:58:00,000
it alive or what I know,
well, uh yeah, the jellyfish type

712
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:05,119
type thing. And you know,
people have actually people who have talked about

713
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:10,400
you know, experiences have talked about
that they felt like the craft was organic

714
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:15,719
and alive, you know. I
remember Denise Stoner actually talked about a situation

715
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:22,639
like that from Florida. And but
but a lot of people have talked about

716
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:28,960
the possibility of things being alive and
activated through you know, like a mind

717
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:34,000
thing, which is really something to
think about. What now, tell me

718
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:38,880
if you would some of the we're
talking about all these different types of UFOs,

719
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:43,599
which I love that topic. That's
why I'm continuing on a little bit

720
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:49,480
longer than normal. But what are
some of the ones that are one offs,

721
00:58:49,679 --> 00:58:52,400
ones you've heard like you've never heard
of, another one like it,

722
00:58:52,119 --> 00:58:59,199
another another one that I've only seen
one of a kind that off the top

723
00:58:59,199 --> 00:59:01,960
of my head, that would be
difficult to answer. There there's a very

724
00:59:02,039 --> 00:59:07,880
very rare one that's that's almost like
a half dumbbell, all right. It's

725
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:12,880
a very large knob on the front
and then like a tubular structure behind it.

726
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,639
And I've only seen like three of
these, but they're also very large,

727
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:22,400
like the dumbbells. There's a very
famous appro Journal picture drawing of one,

728
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:25,159
and it has multiple lights or portholes
in the front of it. And

729
00:59:25,199 --> 00:59:30,800
this was from Alabama in the nineteen
sixties or seventies. And we actually have

730
00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:38,079
two drawings in our database that match
that appro Alabama citing sixty years ago,

731
00:59:38,679 --> 00:59:45,840
almost to a tape. But I've
only seen three uh drawings of this half

732
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:51,239
dumbbell shaped object, so that that's
a bizarre one. Now, how much

733
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:57,239
overlap is here with new for Peter
Davenport, Well, that's an interesting question.

734
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,280
There's really none that The issue with
Peter is that he's pretty much a

735
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:07,880
two man operation and they just collect
UFO reports. But fran Ridge acted as

736
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:15,559
a mediator and when he was working
with his Made Our project, he convinced

737
01:00:15,639 --> 01:00:22,119
Muffon and Newfork to join something called
Project Match. Whereas if fran comes across

738
01:00:22,159 --> 01:00:28,719
a very very interesting new Fork case
that deserves to be investigated, it shouldn't

739
01:00:28,719 --> 01:00:32,760
go to the dustbin of history,
he forwards it to Moufon and Moufon decides

740
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:39,280
to investigate it. Newfork will give
Mufon the witness information and we will investigate

741
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:45,679
on behalf of Nightcap and Newfork.
That's called Project Match and that's a three

742
01:00:45,719 --> 01:00:52,519
way deal between UFON, Nightcap and
Newfork. Now you mentioned earlier in the

743
01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:57,360
historic cases that someone will report,
you know, going way back, like

744
01:00:57,559 --> 01:01:00,760
for instance, that cross that was
lit up in this in the sky,

745
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:07,800
that type of thing as being like
the first type of report. When someone

746
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:13,840
is going back and thinking about their
UFO sighting, they're not able to get

747
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:19,840
most people would not be able to
get the date, sometimes not even the

748
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,800
year. So how do you handle
reports that come in like that. Well,

749
01:01:23,679 --> 01:01:30,039
they're interesting and I take a special
interest in them because I like the

750
01:01:30,119 --> 01:01:35,159
research. So, for example,
in the nineteen thirties, there was a

751
01:01:35,199 --> 01:01:40,719
series of glass globe UFOs were in
an old man with a beard in a

752
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:45,519
red suit was in some sort of
glass globe just he was seen observing an

753
01:01:45,559 --> 01:01:50,880
outdoor play Like that's a clause or
something you're talking about, No, like

754
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,719
he was in the uniform. And
then several years later, Yeah, I

755
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:59,800
missed jokes a lot. Several years
later, the same fellow was seen again,

756
01:02:00,159 --> 01:02:02,079
all right, in another part of
the world. And this phenomenon went

757
01:02:02,199 --> 01:02:07,320
on all the way up until the
famous Canary Islands sighting. All Right,

758
01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:15,239
and the way we figured that out
is because if one report triggers your memory,

759
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:20,880
and you can go to say,
Albert Rosales's books again, or Passport

760
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:27,119
to Magonia and find older correlating cases, or even in Peter Devenport's new Fork

761
01:02:27,239 --> 01:02:31,440
database. I actually have the entire
CUFOS spreadsheet of two hundred thousand cases.

762
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:38,320
There's plenty of places you can go
to find carrelating cases, and that's pretty

763
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:45,760
much the only way you can investigate
if something from nineteen sixty three might have

764
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:50,880
been an ongoing phenomenon back then,
you could go to the Nightcap chronology on

765
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:54,400
Franridge's website. And that's the way
I do it with historical cases. I

766
01:02:54,440 --> 01:03:00,480
will look at all the other databases
to see if there were other similar acreances

767
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:05,920
in that time frame of history,
and and pretty much I almost always get

768
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,239
a hit. How about that?
Now? My Charles Leeer, who does

769
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:14,559
my blogs for me. He also
wrote the book The Flying Saucer Investigators.

770
01:03:15,239 --> 01:03:19,320
H He does a lot of research
and he's always you know, the case

771
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:23,320
I mentioned today was a nineteen seventy
case in Spain. He's always digging in

772
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:29,199
to do research for the blogs that
he does for my website and then very

773
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:36,559
much appreciate his great work. Would
someone like him have more access if they

774
01:03:36,679 --> 01:03:39,559
joined I'm not sure if he's a
member of move on, but would he

775
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:45,880
have more access to historic cases?
Or where? Do you You just mentioned

776
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:47,280
a website you looked at? What
was that webit? Oh? Sure,

777
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:52,760
well, I'll tell you that.
It's like I pretty much I'm crazy this

778
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,800
way. I've pretty much looked at
all one hundred and thirty two thousand cases,

779
01:03:54,840 --> 01:04:00,000
all right, and there's there's a
significant amount of cases in nineteen forty

780
01:04:00,039 --> 01:04:03,800
seven and Roswell, I mean,
there's a lot of cases that are before

781
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:09,440
nineteen forty seven. But here's the
thing, mufons. Moufon's a great place

782
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,960
to go, all right, because
we have one hundred and thirty two thousand

783
01:04:12,039 --> 01:04:18,639
cases. Peter Davenport his database has
one hundred and seventy thousand cases, all

784
01:04:18,719 --> 01:04:24,599
right. The Nightcap chronology has six
thousand cases, a lot of them are

785
01:04:24,679 --> 01:04:29,840
military cases. And Kufos. If
you go to the Kufos website, you

786
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:34,400
can actually purchase a disc that has
their chronology. It will give you the

787
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:40,480
daytime, source, place and a
short description. And they've got over two

788
01:04:40,639 --> 01:04:44,800
hundred thousand entries, and it used
to cost like sixty bucks for the disc.

789
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:46,599
I don't know how much it costs
now. But if you take the

790
01:04:46,599 --> 01:04:51,440
two hundred thousand Kufos cases, the
six thousand Nightcap cases, the one hundred

791
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:57,159
and seventy thousand new cases, the
one hundred and thirty two thousand Moufon cases,

792
01:04:57,519 --> 01:05:01,400
throw in Jacques Ballet, Albert Zalez
and all of those guys, you

793
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:09,280
have an endless and endless amount of
material to draw correlations and conclusions from.

794
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:15,880
I wonder if there's a way to
figure out how many recorded UFO reports there

795
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:20,679
have been over all the years.
It must be in the millions. It's

796
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:25,039
all for sure. I mean UFO
reports go back to five thousand years.

797
01:05:25,079 --> 01:05:29,360
I mean that you know Tutmost to
third. Everyone's familiar with the fire rings

798
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,440
that came over you know, Cairo
wherever he was three thousand, five hundred

799
01:05:32,519 --> 01:05:36,320
years ago. But that wasn't the
only thing that happened with Tutmost three thousand,

800
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:41,199
five years, five hundred years ago. He was in a battle against

801
01:05:41,559 --> 01:05:45,079
a rebel army, and he was
a great general. He was the most

802
01:05:45,079 --> 01:05:54,280
successful pharaoh of them all militarily.
When battles without ever losing one. But

803
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:59,599
in one case, an orb came
down from the sky and decimated the army,

804
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:03,400
the posing army on the field without
touching Tutmos's army. The same thing

805
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:08,119
happened with the Romans and the Pontian
Empire, which is modern day Turkey.

806
01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:12,800
Romans were getting their butts kicked,
all right. This object comes down between

807
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:16,119
both armies, they both panic,
run away. Rome regroups goes on to

808
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:20,400
route the Panthians, and that's the
reason why the Romans made it down into

809
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:26,840
Israel. Had this object not come
down and spook both armies allowed Rome to

810
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:31,840
regroup, Romans may have never made
it into Palaceline or Israel. And you

811
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:35,960
know what we know today about Christianity
may never have happened. So that's why

812
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:40,559
I agree with Masters on a lot
of stuff. I definitely think there's been

813
01:06:40,679 --> 01:06:48,119
influence all through history, including of
UFOs interfering with military battles. How about

814
01:06:48,119 --> 01:06:54,400
that, now, the thing you
just mentioned there, that whole encounter,

815
01:06:55,440 --> 01:07:00,280
I would imagine that back then everything
was explained through you know, God or

816
01:07:00,719 --> 01:07:04,159
something like that, or uh you
know, I mean, did they try

817
01:07:04,199 --> 01:07:09,840
to explain these things in journals of
how what they thought like God was on

818
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:15,039
their side or something. No,
because I mean the records are so scant

819
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:19,360
from back then. Yeah. But
the thing that's interesting is the the battle

820
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:25,639
that the White orb came down and
decimated the rebel army that was fighting against

821
01:07:25,679 --> 01:07:31,800
Tutmost that has been preserved in a
stone called the Gebel Barkles Stella. Stella

822
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:36,360
is a stone that's carved and tells
a story. So the entire encounter is

823
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:41,800
called the Miracle of the Star,
and that's documented, that's in a museum.

824
01:07:42,039 --> 01:07:46,800
There's no way around saying that that's
a hoax or a mis misidentification three

825
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:50,480
thousand, five hundred years ago,
right, I know there is one.

826
01:07:51,159 --> 01:07:58,559
I'm trying to think who it was, Alexander the Great? Uh, And

827
01:07:58,679 --> 01:08:02,119
that that can only be chased back
to nineteen fifty three in a book.

828
01:08:02,679 --> 01:08:06,400
That's right. Yeah, that's rights
flying to us as serious business. There's

829
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:12,360
no prior there's no prior record of
that account prior to that book. Frank

830
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:16,079
Edwards. Yeah, So that's that's
something to keep in mind when you hear

831
01:08:16,199 --> 01:08:19,439
things you know out there, I
mean, they get repeated and then they

832
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:24,159
become our truth in a type of
way. A lot of times here's a

833
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:28,199
question that came in here. Does
move On have a budget for investigations.

834
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,880
We're big in name, but we're
small in h we're small in budget.

835
01:08:34,039 --> 01:08:41,640
Uh No, pretty much. We
depend on investigators in a certain area to

836
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:45,199
actually have their own equipment and go
out to the field. And you don't

837
01:08:45,199 --> 01:08:48,279
always go out there. If a
lot of times you're just we investigate UFO

838
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:54,880
reports, not UFOs because by the
time we get the reports, sometimes weeks,

839
01:08:54,920 --> 01:09:00,000
sometimes decades have passed, so you
can only you can only go out

840
01:09:00,039 --> 01:09:03,000
and you know, look for radiation
if you get the report and the next

841
01:09:03,079 --> 01:09:08,279
day you can get out there.
So a lot of times there's no way

842
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:11,680
we can actually go out in the
field and investigate something because a lot of

843
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:15,079
time has passed. So mouf On
doesn't really have a budget for that.

844
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:24,239
The only time we really we survive
on memberships and people becoming field investigators and

845
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:28,520
the symposium. But big in name, we're not big. We're not like

846
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:32,319
a big corporation. It has a
huge amount of money to go give out

847
01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:36,119
the people all over the country to
do investigations. Now. Now, one

848
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:41,680
question that a number of people have
asked me over the years, does the

849
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:47,119
government have access to move On files. Pretty much all the government has to

850
01:09:47,159 --> 01:09:54,000
do is purchase a six dollars a
month Movefund membership and they get member access

851
01:09:54,079 --> 01:09:59,760
to the CMS. So and if
the government really, you know, is

852
01:10:00,039 --> 01:10:04,439
it's set on getting anybody's information,
you know, I'm sure the CIA could

853
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:12,760
suck it out without us ever even
knowing exactly. Yeah, So this question

854
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:18,600
I do believe you've more or less
talked about. Do you plan on combining

855
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:25,039
databases of old cases with those of
nyecap et cetera to make one large shared

856
01:10:25,119 --> 01:10:28,600
casebook. Now. I know David
Marl is doing some great work on some

857
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,760
archives and a lot of that's going
to be digitized at some point. And

858
01:10:32,359 --> 01:10:36,159
is that the goal of all these
collections that you're aware of. Yeah,

859
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:43,079
here's the thing. Moufon and and
David Mauller and KUFOS and New Fork and

860
01:10:43,239 --> 01:10:47,239
everybody else. We're grassroots organizations.
We try to present the public face.

861
01:10:47,319 --> 01:10:50,479
We try to give as much information
as we can to the public. We

862
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:57,680
try to be transparent. We're in
competition now because now there's there's corporations are

863
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:01,880
getting involved and the government is suddenly
interested. Even though you know, we've

864
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:08,840
been Tinfoil had conspiracists for eighty years, so we have more competition. The

865
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:15,520
problem with combining databases is that the
system that MUFON uses is absolutely totally different

866
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:21,920
than the system that Peter Davenport uses, all right, So you cannot logically

867
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:29,079
integrate all of these these databases without
spending an awful lot of money. So

868
01:11:29,399 --> 01:11:33,000
what we've been reaching out at Moufon
to do is we have something called the

869
01:11:33,039 --> 01:11:38,720
Project Aquarius Virtual Library. Phase one
is going to be the release of about

870
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:45,560
nine thousand historic paper MUFON reports prior
to our computerized system. Second room is

871
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:49,920
probably going to be our sketch drawings
from witnesses. The third stage is going

872
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:57,680
to be a very complex, multi
leveled map and it's going to have the

873
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:02,079
CMS as the top rung. It's
going to have the Nightcap chronology. We've

874
01:12:02,119 --> 01:12:06,520
already made an agreement with fran Ridge
to take his cases and put them into

875
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:12,760
a map. Another level, we've
reached out to Newfork. They're not with

876
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:17,720
us yet, but I'm hopeful of
AFU in Sweden is working on giving us

877
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:26,720
the Norwegian and Swedish databases. So
while we can't technically integrate all of these

878
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:31,920
different databases. We can make them
all into a multi level map so that

879
01:12:32,039 --> 01:12:38,840
you can go from the Moufon level
to the Nightcap level to the Swedish level,

880
01:12:39,079 --> 01:12:43,439
and you can do comparisons, and
we will have search fields that will

881
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:48,520
allow you to look at information on
different levels of the map. It's going

882
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,520
to be fascinating when it's done.
But that's the only way we're going to

883
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:58,119
actually be able to integrate anybody's database
that wishes to join Moufon and help us

884
01:12:58,119 --> 01:13:01,920
create this map. That's great.
I mean, the more technology we get,

885
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:08,039
the better we can have all this
information available. And people like visuals,

886
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:12,640
which is why I'm outing on the
map. And what do you think?

887
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:16,039
What is your opinion of Since I
have you and we're about rated to

888
01:13:16,079 --> 01:13:19,279
wrap up here in a few minutes, but what is your opinion of David

889
01:13:19,319 --> 01:13:28,800
Grush's claims of the possibility of the
crashed Now I'm asking you for a speculative

890
01:13:29,199 --> 01:13:32,720
you know, answer, this is
just speculation. But yeah, what are

891
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:38,960
your thoughts when you when you hear
that whole thing. Clearly the guy knows

892
01:13:39,039 --> 01:13:43,119
something, all right. I'm one
of those people that say, you know,

893
01:13:43,319 --> 01:13:45,560
show me, show me the money, all right, because uh,

894
01:13:46,239 --> 01:13:50,520
you know, I've been hearing that
that we've had crift debris and that alien

895
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:57,279
bodies since I'm a kid, all
right, So but what's different this time

896
01:13:57,399 --> 01:14:00,520
is that he said it under oath. And I would tend to believe that

897
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:02,000
if you're going to go in front
of Congress and say, you know,

898
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,720
I know, and I'll talk to
you guys in the skiff and I'll give

899
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:11,359
you the hostile and the friendly witnesses
who know for sure, you know,

900
01:14:11,399 --> 01:14:15,319
I'd have to say, yes,
the guy's probably onto something. But at

901
01:14:15,359 --> 01:14:18,680
the same time, I wonder what
the government really allowed this guy to go,

902
01:14:19,319 --> 01:14:25,479
you know, and just Spilippines without
with their permission. I don't know.

903
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:30,439
I tend to like the two pilots
Favor and what's his name, Graves

904
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:38,319
Graves Graves Graves because there's there's radar
imagery to back it up. I like

905
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:45,560
hard evidence. But Groce Shirley knows
something and maybe you know, Congress now

906
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:49,960
knows more than we the public know. But definitely things are going our way,

907
01:14:50,079 --> 01:14:54,880
that's for sure. You know,
when I first heard the idea of

908
01:14:55,199 --> 01:14:59,880
you know, crashed alien craft,
you know, I was like, oh

909
01:15:00,119 --> 01:15:03,119
no, like that's going way too
far for someone to talk about, you

910
01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:06,560
know, like that in this in
the position he was in. But you

911
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:12,119
know, I mean, I'm I'm
going to remain open minded to it because

912
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:16,720
if anything else, some people may
come forward that actually talk to him to

913
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:21,479
begin with. It really depends on
how he's treated, how people feel as

914
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:28,119
though he's treated, for those firsthand
witnesses, whether they feel comfortable or not

915
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:33,399
actually talking about it. So we'll
we'll just see if that it all comes

916
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:38,760
to fruition, you know, open
minded, but a little bit on the

917
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:42,960
skeptical side. I would I'm in
your camp. Yeah, It's like,

918
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:46,640
I'm hopeful, all right, but
I'm an evidence space nuts and bold Skys,

919
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:51,600
so you know, I'm just cautiously
optimistic at this point. Yeah.

920
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:58,720
Yeah, But it's definitely caused a
lot of attention to this topic. And

921
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:08,039
you know, there's like a hundred
UFO shows starting a week on YouTube.

922
01:16:08,119 --> 01:16:12,760
It's like there's you can go on
YouTube now and there's like hundreds and hundreds

923
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:15,800
of people doing shows on UFO,
you know, more and more every week.

924
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:19,560
So so that being said, I
want to thank everyone that listens to

925
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:24,600
this show and people that have been
with me all along here. I really

926
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:28,760
appreciate it, Bob. I'm looking
forward to seeing you out in Cincinnati me

927
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:30,680
too. I can't wait to see
you. Thank you so much for having

928
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:33,239
me today. I really appreciate it. It was my pleasure, and I

929
01:16:33,359 --> 01:16:39,239
really enjoyed talking about the different crafts. That's really kind of exciting to hear

930
01:16:39,359 --> 01:16:43,039
these different things. Okay, all
right, excellent, We'll see you in

931
01:16:43,079 --> 01:16:46,199
a few weeks, all right,
take care, all right everyone, so

932
01:16:46,399 --> 01:16:50,119
I will be back next week,
hopefully with James Fox, if not with

933
01:16:50,239 --> 01:16:59,760
someone else. And remember everyone to
keep your eyes to the sky and you're

934
01:17:00,039 --> 01:17:01,680
lines open but not too wide.
Every long