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Third round the podcast with Alejandro Gaviria
and Ricardo Silva Romero. A podcast of

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the locutorio shoots the locutorio dese and
I think, moreover, it begins to

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do. Whatsapp a file of secrets, thoughts, problems, facts, because

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of memories that if someone were spying
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s apartment and spying on what one
has, then he would have a very

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definite idea of who one is.
Whatsapp you did well, Ricardo, it

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' s not just a communication technology
that we use to talk to others and

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exchange information. It is also an
exhaustive record of life, an exhaustive record

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of what happens to us every day. The first thing to say about Whatsapp,

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Alexander, I think is that,
in any case, it' s

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a miracle. This happens to me
often that I think it' s an

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old man' s gesture and that' s that it doesn' t stop

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surprising me everything we have now the
hand, the possibility of calling anyone anywhere

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in the world by Whatsapp, the
Internet, the platforms where all the movies

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are. It' s still surprising
to me. And the first thing I

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think about when I think about a
whatsapp is that it' s miraculous that

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you can see yourself in a call
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side of the world, face to
face, like the supersonics were seen in

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the animated series and at any moment
now with real effectiveness, no struggle,

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no drama, like when the Internet
started. Well, it' s miraculous

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that technology that you know is gonna
be better in two months and in a

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year it' s gonna be science
fiction. I relate Whatsapp. With that

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first of all the rich, we
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weekly conversation alive, the other audio
exchange. I was in Barranquilla today and

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we couldn' t make our weekly
appointment. I find it interesting what it

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raises about the magic of these technologies
and I want to raise a discussion,

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if you want parallel, a discussion
about the most urgent debate of our society,

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the most urgent one of these contemporary
partners, and it is the debate

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about the impact of the technology of
our lives and how we incorporate these technologies

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into individual and collective life. The
technologies or this technology, this and all

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have great benefits, but they also
have costs and that challenge I would like

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to put it in this rich way, and that is to incorporate it in

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such a way that we can preserve
some humanity, because this and the vast

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majority of the technologies can be dehumanizing
and that is not easy, and I

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think it requires certain commandments, certain
social norms, certain, I do not

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know if centralized regulation, but at
least some reflection on the impact of this

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technology on our lives, which is
going to be the emphasis of the third

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round conversation. This time it makes
whatsapp think about the challenges that the Internet

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has brought, with its networks,
with its blogs, to everyday life,

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to private life. Even Whatsapp,
it is already the height of social networks,

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of the connection of having one whomever
you want at hand and it seems

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to me that it is a challenge
in many ways, that is, being

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connected all the time. It'
s demanding and exasperating. Being connected all

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the time is a challenge for mental
health. It' s a source of

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anxiety and Whatsapp is sometimes a shelling
that overwhelms you and sometimes it' s

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invasive and sometimes it makes you miss
life before people can write to you at

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two in the morning asking you something
that' s going to happen five days

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later. It is in a way
a reconfiguration of private life. That,

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for example, couples have their phones, everyone on their night table and light

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up the room in the morning because
someone got a message. It seems to

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me, therefore, entangled and I
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connection in intimacy. And it seems
to me, besides, that whatsapp begins

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to make a file of secrets,
of thoughts, of problems, of facts,

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of memories that if someone were spying
as if someone were going into one

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' s apartment and spying on what
one has, then they would have a

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very definite idea of who one is
and could have even one on the dark

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side. I have many friends with
whom I write, because heavy jokes or

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I send me commented news. There
is a whole intimacy there that can be

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exposed and ruined to anyone, that
is, if you were hacked, if

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you were spyed on and saw everything
you talk to and who you talk to,

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because you would have a different idea
of who you are. That worries

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me and has even led me to
think of an idea for a story that

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is clearly satirical of what could happen
when, for example, a political candidate

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that we already know implies of a
candidacy, When a political candidate discovers what

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he chats with and who he chats
with and the photos he sends, it

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seems to me that he could give
for something satirical interesting. Whatsapp, you

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say it well, Ricardo, is
not just a communication technology that we use

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to talk to others and exchange information. It is also an exhaustive record of

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life, an exhaustive record of what
happens to us every day. There is

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still that archive of small things,
but also of sublime moments of what life

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is made of. And that record
is in a thing that today is perhaps

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euphemistically called the cloud and being in
the cloud, we know that it will

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be there for many years, perhaps
forever. It is a form of immortality

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if someone recently, but it also
means that many others or others will probably

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be able to see it. And
this raises a disturbing scenario, because what

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it means is that our privacy is
yielding and that idea that we have the

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vast majority of human beings, that
there is an intimate environment, something that

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we exchange with some people and that
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public as it begins to give in
to being lost, we sacrifice by using

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a part of our privacy or at
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time and this is an example of
what happens differently with Whatsapp, that before,

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the infidelities required the imagination of the
aggrieved party and probably someone found a

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paper, a note wrinkled in their
partner' s pocket. But now,

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with Whatsapp there is an exhaustive record
of that infidelity and every message seen or

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interviewed by the traditional part is a
dagger in the heart. And then the

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infidelities. Now, with these new
technolos that I come back and repeat have

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many benefits, but they change our
lives in many ways, they are perhaps

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now, in this modern society,
much more painful. I believe that whatsapp

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' s commandments are implicit in what
I have thought out loud, but some

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things that I do believe should happen, that is, that God should appear

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and deliver some tables with those laws
are these. For example, not demanding

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an answer when you send whatsapp those
people who press and push and send emoticons

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to passively push aggressively, I think
I should follow the commandment, not demand

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an answer. I think another commandment
Whatsapp should be not to disconnect the blue

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pimps that prove that the person has
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game of pretending to the other that
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that it' s also infamous that
people don' t tolerate being left in

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sight, that is, sometimes you
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It is life is overwhelming, because
I have a family, many jobs to

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complete and answer Whatsapp becomes overwhelming.
I think you could let it out and

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people assume that at some point they' ll answer you. Another commandment,

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which I think should be carved,
is not to leave a wave that says

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nothing. There are people who soon
write to one hello and do not complete.

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They don' t say they want
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' t just want to say hello, but there are people waiting for you

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to answer them hello and then they
answer how you are and start a kind

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of dream in life, awake sleep
that looks like torture. I think that

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when you write, you should at
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what you don' t want to
start by saying hello. Another commandment that

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I think is needed is not to
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It seems to me that people don' t have enough email and then they

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write some very long stuff on Whatsapp
and not only that the game of first

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sending the email and then writing it
one by Whatsapp I sent you an email.

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It' s desperate. It'
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I think you should get it back, because it' s a quieter way

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of communicating that you can have with
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or group of friends or even the
working group. If people who want to

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propose something, send something, because
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you have to recover the patience that
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us. And finally, of a
commandment that seems very clear to me and

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that may be controversial. But the
commandments tend to do so is not to

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send audios. Audios are really unbearable. I see an audio, I see

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it lasts two minutes and it'
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hear it take me days to hear
it, because it implies you have to

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ask the people around to shut up
because you' re going to go audio,

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because then you have to look for
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you don' t know what barbarity
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Anyway, audios seem only possible to
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and are very close and can overcome
everything. I would make it a commandment

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not to send audio or rich.
I heard your whatsapp commandments before I got

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on the plane, I came back
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on the plane six whatsapp commandments.
I' ll start with the first one.

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Says the following. Commandment not to
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a deranged love of those who border
on delirium. Do not call another person

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untimely, always anticipate the call with
a brief message. I can call you

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You' re available. Those who
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in the same minute commit a grave
misdemeanor, a violation of this first commandment

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which, in my opinion, should
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message is left to say, the
beginning of a conversation. We should keep

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in mind that many other people are
trying to start conversations at the same minute

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at the same time. If you
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requests to start conversation at some point, it' s like ten or twenty

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phones ringing at the same time the
same cure. I think I' m

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insane. That being the case,
Ricardo, I propose how you do it

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the same way. A second commandment, be clear from the beginning about the

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topic topic topic, question or concern
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Simple messages like Hello, Good Morning, How Are You or the Terrible Hello

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are strictly forbidden according to this commandment, this code of use. Third commandment.

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We have to bear in mind that
every user has already said it at

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any time, fifteen, twenty,
thirty, open conversations. Therefore, messages

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of more than five hundred, characters, audios of more than a minute or

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those eternal videos are forbidden, strictly
forbidden. They try to take away from

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others that scarce resource in this time
of distraction, that resource on which others

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revolve all the time. Fourth commandment
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are interesting, they are an emphasis, often a shortcut, but I think,

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they should be used with economy.
Messages that look like an Egyptian hieroglyph

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are inconveniences and are forbidden. Lovers
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normal ones should, in my opinion, use the alphabet. We' ll

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talk about whatsapp users' rights,
but in my case, one of those

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rights is not to immediately open and
delete the message that has many emoticons.

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Fifth commandment repeated joke is no joke. It is strictly forbidden to send the

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same meme or the same Tiktok video
to all contacts. This one should be

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jailed, too. Sixth command bear
in mind that each user can have about

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twenty or thirty or forty active Whatsapp
groups before introducing it or putting it into

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one. To a Whatsapp group,
anyone should send an explanation, a statement

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of reasons and ask permission. I
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to those virtual seals or career pitches
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are the vast majority of whatsapp groups
And maybe the other side of the commandments

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are the rights of users, and
one has to claim the right to their

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privacy, for example, file messages
that come from someone who you do not

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know, for example, to delete
messages from institutions or banks that there is

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no right to have them reach one
you have to claim the right not to

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respond quickly to whatsapp. More personalities
like mine believe you' re to blame

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for not responding to someone, for
having things to look forward to. And

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sometimes you just have to recognize that
you don' t have time in life,

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not because you were very busy at
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time, for example, can be
with your family or, for example,

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do nothing. And one has the
right not to respond quickly and even seems

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to me to never respond. This
time third round to Ricardo. For me

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we are accompanied by laps. I' m here from Barranquilla. I'

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m in Bogotá now and I heard
your rights from the Whatsapp users and here

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I have mine very much like yours
but well, here are ten rights.

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The first, the most important of
all, not to answer If someone proposes

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a conversation at some point we can
say no. That' s called freedom.

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The second, as you mention it, I am rich to let you

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see how to read and decide not
to answer, at least for now,

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out of indifference, out of lack
of time or simply out of laziness.

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Third right to leave the Whatsapp groups
without major pronouncements, simply saying chao does

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not interest me. I' m
leaving. Fourth, the right to file

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and block contacts, especially those that
are very intense. Archivar is a form

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of invisible indifference, blocking is an
antimopathy, visible antipathy and both work.

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Archive and block intense contacts. Fourth
right, fifth to spend hours or days

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without opening Whatsapp. Life doesn'
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lead us to a vicious circle while
one more answer is written to him.

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Sixth Right, the intermittent fast of
Whatsapp, rest some mornings from that unhealthy

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diet of moticons and bad jokes that
often become Oasapp. Seventh right answer with

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monosyllables, the OK Just the OK
point works well. The little thumb up

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there also works. It seems to
me sometimes slightly offensive, but it can

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also be answered. That' s
a right eighth right. The right I

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will call in this way the non- reciprocity to write short to those who

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write long and vice versa. A
thousand- character message can be answered perfectly

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with a ninth ok right not to
deliver contact to anyone who does not ask.

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There are simply people with whom we
do not have an interest to start

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conversations and tenth right we do not
have to fulfill the six commandments that you

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mention a duck. I just have
one thing left to say about Whatsapp,

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and it' s about whats groups
that, like in all things, can

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be wonderful or can be the traveling
horror. There really are groups that do

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not let think, that overwhelm,
that burden, that only serve to create

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one more anxiety and the last.
It is, therefore, those groups of

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parents who are all the time scaring
the other parents to go crazy, or

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those groups of right- wing neighbors
who begin to want to overthrow governments,

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starting with the block in which they
live. Or if those groups of people

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that gather for the apocalypse, to
make them feel bad and to create the

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group the feeling that we are going
for a cliff, the group that we

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could call, are getting into the
sets. But also, as I said,

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there are loving groups of friends who
send each other, jokes that are

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accompanied, that catch up, and
those, then, are a refuge.

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Somehow, also that constant connection can
turn one against you and I think again

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of the people who are in school
today, my children, for example,

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and how they will be dealing with
you, how much anxiety will be creating

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for them the fact that they are
connected all the time with groups of their

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course people in snappchat or in different
ways to find that that feeling one comes

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home and cannot rest, but to
keep hearing the same voices that he heard

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all day at school. That worries
me and I can' t say anything

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else for the time being, because
I' m not clear about the solution

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apart from going to live on an
island like the fantastic captain or the mosquito

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character cost. In conclusion, Ricardo
means seriously, talking a little about what

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you mention in the end about the
impact of social networks of Whatsapp and so

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on, on young people. I
believe that Ricardo is one of the most

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worrying trends today, not only in
Colombia, but in the world, and

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one of the issues that is missing
is the impact of social networks on the

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mental health of adolescents, especially,
but of young people in general. It

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' s a tragedy of what'
s going on. The figures that I

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have seen are absolutely frightening and that
reinforce the idea with which we start this

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conversation is that, despite the magic
of these communication technologies, they can do

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harm and we have not yet found
the form of social regulation And what we

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are doing is at least self-
regulation with rules, commandments and rights that

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are perhaps a form of courtesy with
us, because these technologies are all generating

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anxiety for us, but I come
back and repeat in the youth is having

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a devastating impact until then rich and
we will already find ourselves face to face

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