What's he throughout the impossible or whatever I may have, The improbable must be
true and it is not a question of the libero cultism all a touch of
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to Paranormal UK Radio. Hello everybody, This is Irene Allen, the host
of the Paranormal UK Radio Show. It's been difficult for me to remember actually
because this is the first show I've done this year, so I really remember
what I asked. Flagship show, the flag Chip Show. Oh that's it?
Yeah, yeah, all right, mad a flagship show or the Paranormal
UK Radio station. Because we are a station. We've got stations status,
yes we do, although we got network on the actual website. We actually
are a station and my host is Mark Johnson, and I have no idea
what I'm saying tonight because I'm quite confused. Well, considering it's been,
oh god, since mid December since we've done a show together. It was
before that, Mark, no, no, I first go to the doctors
in October, wasn't it. I don't remember. It's everything's been so much
has happened in these last several months, between you and me and doctors and
hospitals and god knows everything else. Yeah, but you know you're straightened You're
more or less straightened out now, and hopefully i'll get some answers very soon
as well. Keeping my fingers crossed for you. Yeah, thank you very
much. I've been looking forward and I'm sure a lot of our listeners have
been looking forward to you coming back. Yeah, I bet come on,
people send in the fan mail and I'll be quite happy. Then. Oh
good lord. Well, you know, I think since the last time on
the show, you've got you got a new dog, two new dogs.
I've got my inherited Wait a minute, yes, I got scrap, asked
glliwagg didn't I who was making know? That's pipa poos. Hold on a
minute, I'll have to go and see to her. In a minute,
I got Scaley wagg and now I have inherited my son's too dog, Scrappy
Dough and Ronald. Okay, yeah, because his garden is just not suited
for dogs. So they've come down to stay with me for a while.
They're sort of on holiday for a couple of months down here. Okay,
until I kick him back out again. Oh well, it's great having you
back. I know I was able to do a couple of shows here within
the last month, and we got a good show for tonight, so I'm
looking forward to it. Why don't we go ahead and we'll get right into
it then. Okay, Mark cut will for a second. Okay, Oh
gosh, you know, if you need to step away to take care of
them, you know, you just meete your mic oh off, Bruce,
we got a yeah. If they if they, if you're not, if
you're not sorry this freaking delay, If you're not talking and you need to
walk away, or they're barking, whatever, just just hit the mute button
on your yeah. Okay, Well, but I'm sorry about that, Bruce.
But I've got a dog who's nineteen years old. She's flying, she's
dead. She's confused. Wow, yet the only thing she knows is a
food dish, kind of like her mother. Anyway, it can't teach.
Can't teach your new tricks, not at this stage. No, right now,
Okay, let me get ready and go. So I wanted to introduce
tonight's guest, and I was really looking forward talking to this person and author
because of their background. Now, Bruce Rapuano has a bachelor's arts degree from
the University of Pennsylvania, where he majored in neurobiology and minored in psychology.
He has a PhD in neuropharmacology. Okay, I was able to say that
right from the University of Connecticut and jearis doctorate from New York Law School.
So wow, you got everything. So, doctor Rapuano has conducted an independent
biomedical research as a cell biologist an internationally recognized medical institution, including the Memorial's
Slankettering Cancer Center in the Hospital for Special Surgery, both in New York City.
He's authored or co authored thirty scientific articles in peer reviewed medical journals.
Now what's interesting is he has a relatively new book out came out at the
end of last year called Dominion Loss, a scientist's own alien induction encounters.
So welcome Bruce to the program. How are you, Verce, I'm great.
Thank you to you Mark and Irene for having having me on. It's
a pleasure to meet both of you and look forward to having a very interesting
conversation. Well, yeah, you know something. Sorry Mark, but you
know something, Bruce, good job to Mark said that, because there's no
way I could have pronounced any of those long words. I'd still be doing
it now. Hey did a great job as long as you didn't go into
alien speak and everybody would be scratching with her, which she does occasionally.
But so anyway, what's unique about you and your book is that you've had
your own abduction encounters. But you are also a scientist, so you can
look at this from a scientific background and talk more about it. So very
fascinated by this topic. So Bruce, you know, I'll just ask you
to kind of start at the beginning. I mean, you what made you
come out with your story at this time? Well, you know, I
think what I realized was no scientist, either an America or anywhere the world,
had ever come forward to tell their account of UFO close encounter or alien
abduction, and I, you know, I thought that you know, this,
this was the time there's been in the past year or two a big
parent momentum for disclosure, and we're waiting for the government and in particular the
military to come forward with what at least some of what it knows. But
you know, the other thing is, you know, I know everyone has
been talking about the technology that the US government has recovered crashed alien spacecraft,
but they're not talking so much about the fact that there are alien beings that
are piloting those spacecraft, and we might have recovered the bodies, particularly the
bodies of the aliens that that crashed at Roswell, and we're not really discussing
that much that the nature of those alien beings. And although we were focusing
so much in technology, I believe we're falling behind the curve and understanding what
the nature of the aliens are and what their agenda might be. So,
you know, I basically I had these experiences my entire life, and it
wasn't until the mid eighties when these great books in the US came out about
alien abduction for the first time. There was the Betty and Barney Hill case.
Of course, there was the John J. Chief Fuller book that came
out in this interrupt That was the Interrupted Journey. But that was it.
But then there was kind of an explosion of interest in the eighties. I
began to read the work of the groundbreaking but Hopkins and doctor the Harvard psychiatrist,
doctor John Mack, and doctor David Jacobs, and I was astonished because
I could check the box, every box in what I would call the core
alien abduction scenario, and the stories and narratives and the analysis by those three
investigators in particular was so compelling that I was convinced the phenomenon was real,
and not only that it had happened to me. But you know, at
that time, I was right at the start of my career as a biomedical
research scientist, and I didn't know how I could tell my story. Whitley
Strieber at that time had published his first book, Communion. So fast forward,
you know, a few decades, and now it seems like some type
of disclosures and pending. There's some events that we all feel as it is
going to happen, and I feel now is the appropriate time to tell my
story. And since I'm more established, I'm at the end of my career,
and you know, let the chips fall the way they day. I'll
take whatever slings and arrows are aimed at me for you know, coming forward
with this what some consider a story about it very controversial subjects. Well,
you mentioned a lot of great books and researchers, and you know, I've
had the distinct pleasure of interviewing Whitley on several occasions. Wonderful gentlemen. Yes,
And what I especially find fascinating about his experiences and his story is that
how it's evolved over the years, since the late eighties until now, it's
things are very, very different. He's published several other books on the subject
matter. And you know, that's one thing that I've noticed a lot in
the ufology community, because not a lot of people are willing to change their
views. They come off with one view, and like in mouf On,
you have so many of the people who look at nuts and bolts UFOs aliens
from another planet or another star system, and they try to keep it very
grounded. And yet the phenomenon itself when you talk to the other experiencers,
which we've had the opportunity to talk to many on this show, is that
there's an aspect of this, and I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
There is an aspect of this that seems to go beyond our physical dimension.
Yes, and you know Whitley has been a thought later in this area.
The name that comes to mind is doctor Jack Ballet, who focused not
so much on the physical nature of the UFOs and the alien beings, but
the aspects of consciousness that we need to understand better to try to figure out
what this phenomenon is all about. Now, I look at it from a
different perspective since I am a biologist, and I am particularly affected and persuaded
and fascinated by the story of Lieutenant Colonel Philip Corso day after Roswell and his
detailed narrative, not just about the opportunity he had to look at the cadaver
of an alien being the classic gray alien for a period of time, but
to actually read the detailed all tops reports that pathologists at Walter Read Hospital in
Washington did on the bodies of the aliens that crashed at Roswell. And clearly
it's that body of evidence has persuaded me that one aspect of this is we're
dealing with corporeal sentient living beings. Now, I don't have a clue,
frankly, Mark Irene where they come from. But there there's a biological aspect.
Now, whether or not they're they're also cybernetic organisms, that's that's another
issue. But that's you know, I start from that perspective, or at
least I started from that perspective in writing my book. Now in terms of
how we interact with them, that's that's another question. Whether or not there's
a direct brain to bring commune unication, that's yeah, that's maybe innate ability
of that the aliens possessed that some human beings also possess, or whether that's
technology assisted. They have some type of technology that would facilitate this type of
interaction, maybe even across dimensions. You may you mean like a form of
v SP. A form of VSP like remote remote viewing, may may be
related to that, because there's there's some scientists that are studying the relationship between
the ability to remote view and and telepathy and it may originate in the same
from the same structures in the brain that some scientists are studying. Some some
neuroscientists are focusing on this now and they're doing UH. Neuroimaging studies shown there
may be differences in the brains of experiencers that that may confer this ability to
communicate telep pathically with alien beings or with each other and also remote view.
So that's a as a biologist and a neuroscientist, that's a fascinating area for
me to talk about. But we there is this aspect of although I say
there we're dealing with a a biological UH entity, we don't know how we're
interacting with them where whether they have to cross into our dimension and then bring
us with them back into their dimension, or whether some way through the UH
you know, based on quantum mechanics, we're able to to entangle with our
consciousnesses, can entagle with each other with that's These are also fascinating questions and
and I know Whitley Streeber has been one of the investigators who has been,
like I say, a thought leader and examined this question and really gotten away
from the nuts and bolts view that a lot of neupologists investigators you know,
are tied to or are exclusively focus on. Well, give me area fifty
nine. Wasn't there a room or something mark where they have they done something
to stop remote viewing and area fifty one. Yeah, Area fifty one,
some coil or something. I honestly don't stop hearing you in area fifty one.
M. That's an interesting concept. I mean, I think if that's
true, that that's tied in with aliens. Maybe there is a connection with
this with remote viewing. Yeah, that's actually a very interesting new concept.
I had not really thought of that before. Sorry. The story I've heard
is that, you know, one or more of our intelligence agencies, either
the c i A or the d i A or some other UH COVID agency
has been actively evolved for decades using remote viewing to see what our adversaries are
doing. But as as a side effect of this program, UH, some
of the remote reviewers have made contact with ETS and and the end interacted well,
for lack of a better term, telepathically, and we're able to remote
view what was going on inside one of their spacecraft and actually had along with
the remote viewing of it, they could actually see what was inside the spacecraft,
see the beings, and actually communicate telepathically. So I've heard about that.
In fact, Mark shut up, in fact skeptical. Perhaps he's saying
I know something, don't I I heard her laughing, so I say,
yeah, you know something I don't. Why do you check it out?
Yeah? Now I remember, Oh God, going back some time ago,
I asked somebody to remote view and I tasked somebody to look into a spaceship
and what they came back was quite interesting. By the way, Bruce,
you see to clarify, Irene is a remote viewer. Oh okay, thank
you. I even recall I don't know if I'm correct. There was a
story where they were able to corroborate with the experience of the first remote viewer
because there was another remote viewer that could could see the same thing, obtained
the same information at the same time. And you know, I mentioned the
work of neuroscientists that that I find fascinating, and I'll just allude to one
more time. They found that there's antruct particular structure in the brain in the
in basal ganglia that have higher density of connections. And experiencers of the abduction
phenomenon, and many of whom we know have claimed to have telepathic ability and
those who have remote viewing. Yeah, the remote viewers and the experiencers are
different from the rest of us and then they have and that they have these
denser synaptic connections in this one specific part of the brain, and that you
know that that leads to whether or not we can we can find out what
we can do the functional genomics and final what what do they have extra copies
of genes or novel genes that allow them to have this particular type of development
of this part of the brain. So we're really getting down to the to
uh the possibility that we may be able to figure out some of the science
behind this, which is very fascinating to me. Well, one test.
One thing that I thought about when you're talking about this is the fact that
most experiences like yourself you had commented earlier that you've been experienced this as long
as you can remember, back into childhood, and that alone, having that
detailed the constant experiences over the years could develop something. But there's also the
implant issue. And you know doctor Roger Lear who was had removed some implants,
and I know Whitley talked extensively about his But you know, sometimes if
people, even in their youth, if they received an implant that they're not
aware of, that might help more easily facilitate this type of telepathic communication.
Now that is a major I have two books, actually, Mark that is
a major focus on my longer book, which I call the Underbridge version,
the same title Dominion Laws The Scientists Own Alien Abduction Accounters. And the reason
why I did so much a scientific analysis in that Underbridge book is because the
most concrete memory I have of my abduction experiences involved, at the age of
six years old, having this flashback of some type of device. It was
a metal ball, a metal sphere, maybe two to three millimeters in diameter.
I remember a specific structure to it. It had studs or projections around
it, very very small, maybe silver and color, but with studs like
you would find on the surface of a thimble. I also had the memory
that it had either come out of my nose, so that's why I knew
it was a nasal. It could have been a nasal implant, or I
was told or warned that it could come out if I sneezed or blew my
nose too forcefully. I've had this flashbacks and flashback in particular a number of
times in my life after that, and you know that cause me to think
a lot about if so many of of the abductees, and as I talk
about in my Unabridge book, in particular, Bud Hopkins is based on his
work, has found maybe ten percent of the abductedes have evidence of this nasal
implant, that it has been given to them by the alien abductors. Another
ten percent maybe had implants also inside the head, either inside the ear canal
or behind the ear under the eye. But what I wondered is because number
one, the alien beings during the abduction process seemed to exert such a complete
control over the abductees. They can turn off the family members or friends,
They can caused them to not remember any of the abduction event, or the
implant false memories caused them to become physically paralyzed during some portion of the abduction
event. You know, I wonder that if this was technology assisted. And
in addition, whether or not the frequently reported telepathic communication between the ets,
particularly the Grays, and the abductees is also assisted by some sort of technology,
And whether or not that implant, if it's a nasal implant inside the
nasal cavity or one of the sinuses, or maybe that's just a route by
which it's placed into the brain, might be in fact a brain computer interface.
They would be able to communicate with an alien remote AI, a computer
that would receive instructions from the implant about the mental activity of the abductee,
to be able to use that that implant to read the mind of the abductee,
or to if you think of it, the reverse, to be able
to send messages through that implant, to to plant false memories, to to
create a virtual a reality, or to I was just control the human mind.
So that's my concept that I discussed a lot in the in the Unabridge
book. You've just answered one of my questions, and that was would the
implant be for download or transmitting? And I talk about chapters. Could it
could be either? It could be either one and probably both, because I
think one function of it is to is to catalog all of human mental activities,
find out the brain sources responsible for the different perceptions, the five senses,
our thinking ability or reasoning ability. But also once that knowledge is obtained,
they have the they would have the ability to play the in mind like
a piano using this implant. It's very easy for me to conceive of a
technology technologically advancedvilization be able to do that quite easily, because we're at the
cuss in a generation or two of away from being able to do that.
Look at the work that Elon Musk is doing with neuralk now where he's able
to restore function and and and uh disable people that lost the ability to speak
because they have stroke or strokes or or maybe they're uh, they have als
and he's using the implant technology to allow them with their minds to move artificial
limbs and and you know, it's very very promising uh work that human scientists
are doing to be able to restore function and in a very dramatic way in
people that are so severely disabled. And so it's just as easy to imagine
what's the next step that might be something that could be used for our benefit
or against this If that, if that is the desire of the of a
species, that an advanced species that's studying human beings, well you know that's
the whole point. Also is there's a lot of evidence that we're being visited
by or interacting with more than one species, right and everything from those that
seem to want to work with us more benevolent to the malevolent ones that do
what they want and they don't care, or even those that just have their
own agenda and we're not you know, our feelings on the matter are not
high on their list of priorities. So yeah, it depends on who you're
dealing with. And each of those species or races are at different levels from
each other according to a lot of the witness accounts that I've heard of,
so they're not all the same technological level. You know. I'm somewhat encouraged
by the fact that such a high percentage of abductees that have these experiences throughout
their entire life begin to grow to whereas early on they might have been very
frightened traumatized, as as they have more and more experiences, they seem to
be able to integrate them much better into their lives and ascribe a positive,
something positive to having these experiences. They think it it opens them up in
some way cognitively, spiritually, very high percentage of them and death experiences.
Yeah, so makes me, well, at least at least it gives me
hope that at least the effect that the maybe the intent effect is one of
benevolence. On the other hand, on the other hand, I think of
whether or not in some cases. That's just an example of the Stockholm Stockholm
syndrome. And as a biologist, I know we you know, when we
experiment on animals, we try to make them as comfortable as possible, you
know, you make you have a relationship with them almost like the animal this
year pet, especially when it's part of a long term study. And these
abductees appear to be part of in each case, a long term studies since
they're abducted many times throughout their life. And it's it's understandable how an alien
scientist or veterinarian or how whatever you want to call you know what they're you
know what, whatever type of scientists or you imagine them to be, I
would want to establish a relationship with someone who is going to be a long
term subject of their h in their experimental product, in their scientific project.
So that's that makes me, you know, question whether or not this is
a something that's a real uh, you know that I would ascribe these feelings
on the part of the abductees to the fact that it is that the that
the the intentions are benevolent on the part of the ets, or whether or
not that they're being deceived to think that their benevolent for you know, practical
reasons, you know, to facilitate the research, you know, something that
I feel. And again I'm basing this off of a number of different cases
of people that I've interviewed or read about. There are different agendas, But
I also think a lot of this is beyond our comprehension. You know.
I know people that were angry in the beginning. They feel like, oh,
I did not agree to this, and you have no right to do
this. And the aliens have responded, we have every right, yes,
and how they can control people. But I think sometimes and this is a
subject that I've been thinking a lot about lately, is the fact that while
we have our scientific method, we are trying to look at this from a
scientific point of view and reason rationalize everything that people have been experiencing. But
there's also when you start getting in higher levels of like quantum mechanics and string
theory and people reality not being exactly what we think it is. Fact,
I feel that reality is like the light spectrum. We only see this little
sliver of the light spectrum, and yet there's a broad range in both ways
from the ultraviolet and for red. And I think our concept of reality is
the same, is that there's so much more going on that's beyond our ability
to perceive with the brains we have and in our current level of development.
Now, as we mentioned earlier in the show, that some people who have
these interactions seem to have that part of the brain stimulated where they're able to
have these telepathic interactions or communication with these beings. So there's something going on
there, whether it's completely physical, maybe some metaphysical. I think there's still
a lot more to learn. Absolutely, uh, you know, sorry.
I think a lot of these beings that we are interacting with are asked from
the future. There is that theory that's been out there. Yep. Yeah,
but look at my own experiences, Mark, where I know I've been
downloaded with stuff. Yeah, okay, what about angiogram CT scans, PET
scans, I've had them all in the last few weeks. If I had
an implant, they would show up, wouldn't It absolutely hasn't. Yes,
Yes, Mark, I haven't. Well, maybe these maybe a couple of
these things that they're they're looking at hm hm, you know, until they
get in there, then you who the doctors are. Yes, no,
there doctors when they're looking at I've seen a lot of the scans. I
saw the pet scan the other day. There was nothing on it like that
except for a couple of nodules. That's all. Yeah. Well, you
also still, throughout your life get these downloads of information. So they're coming
from somewhere, whether it's through technology or some other means. M hm.
I download this information, Bruce, and it's far too intelligent for me to
understand. You need to you need to write, write this all down and
publish it. And publish it. Yeah, no, Mark, keep some
of it when I let you know. But it's I don't know. I'm
just not really. I just it just downloads. And I said, boy,
it's about a lot of it. I can't remember. Well, you
know, I know I've had a download, but I can't remember what it
was. I'm very jealous Irene. I wish I could get some downloads everything
I learned. I have to I have to research and read articles, but
it takes me a lot of time. Well, I wish I could remember
a lot of it. I also remember Irene. And I'll tell this to
Bruce that you know, she's also incorrigible. It's really difficult to work with
and they all download information and she doesn't want to be bothered with it.
She just wants to get on with her life. So it's like, sure
she tells them to f off sometimes and I sound like a right loopy now,
Donna, Well, you know you just didn't you didn't want to deal
with it. And it's funny that sometimes, uh, you know, something
will happen to me that's coming through you where they're they're kind of scolding you
a little bit because because you could see their frustration because you don't deal with
it. Awesome, Well, I wish I wish they would use email like
my email addresses in the isn't the Yeah, it would be so much easier,
wouldn't it. But first, what actually happened to you when you were
a child? That's what I want to know. Well, the you know,
the the first thing I wanted to talk about is and boy, six
years old is such a common age when most abductees report when they can remember
their first abduction experience. And just like, just like from me, I
was, I remember being just nodding off to sleep. It was in late
June or late July of nineteen sixty one. And this, as a matter
of fact, matter of fact, was two to three months before the Betting
and Barney Hill abduction before it, and I it was cloudless day and something
I was my bed was right near the window, and something out of the
corner of my eye captured my attention. It was a glint or a flash
reflection off of something that drew my eye to the window, and I looked
down and through the window I saw the strangest looking airplane I'd ever seen.
It was flying like right over the rooftops of our neighborhood, maybe four or
five six blocks away from where I was. And what was strange about it
was the diameter of the fuselage was much greater, the width of it was
much greater relative it's length than I would have expected for an airplane. I
thought I saw wings, but it looked just like a long sausage. With
wind it would no but it looked more rounded than the sausage shape, which
was too In other words, the fuselage looked too fat, too rounded.
And not only that, I saw some look like static discharge or lightning near
the back of it, which was a little bit alarming, but no sound
fascinating. I didn't want to take my eyes off of it, except what
was very uncharacteristic for me as a very curious child, particularly looking at things
that were flying around in the air. I always loved to look at the
airplanes and helicopters. I suddenly had was compelled to turn my head away from
it instead of watch it, and quickly went to sleep, as if that
was what I was supposed to do. And when I woke up, did
you hear anything? Did you hear anything like a high pitch sound? No?
No, no, no. In other words, what you're getting at
as many abductees at the incipients of an event here, some type of loud
sound, a high pitched wine, or nothing like that. Just immediately went
to sleep. I woke up and I wasn't in my house. I wasn't
in my bedroom anymore. It looked like I was in some type of hospital,
definitely a clinical environment, mainly because I was lying on what I thought
was an examination table. I don't know what it was made of, felt
very hard to the touch, much longer and wider than any exam table that
would be necessary for a six year old child, to be honest, And
I didn't know where I was, but I was a by something I noticed
some commotion maybe twenty feet from the foot of the exam table. That drew
my attention, and I automatically sat up, and I saw before me on
the other side of a doorway. I was in a room. There was
a doorway, an open doorway, maybe the size of it what we call
a two car garage in the US, maybe that size. On the other
side were dozens of three and a half the four foot tall humanoid belings,
the humanoid beings, the classic with the classic gray alien anatomical appearance. Disproportionately
No, no, no, they were walking very briskly, very industriously,
clearly had clearly had a seriousness of purpose to all of them, dozens of
them, some walking from left to rights, some walking in the other direction.
I didn't know if they were on some type of motorized mechanical walkway or
they whether they were just walking naturally, so briskly so I can only see
them from the side, but they were white in color and were curR ants.
Say that again, they like worker ants exactly, and that's exactly what
I thought they looked like. I didn't know at that age what a clone
was, but they looked like identical carbon copies one another, all the same
height, none of them all, None of them were thinner than the others,
or or more corpulate corpulent than the others. They all looked exactly the
same. But I had a question in my mind. Well, the first
thing I said to them was, well, then let me let me get
to the question that just rose in my mind. Are there boys only or
girls only? Or boys and girls? I don't know why that came to
me, but they all looked exactly like And it's as if someone was Eve's
dropping on my internal dialogue. I seemed to get the answer. I seemed
to be made to understand. I assumed teleopathically, through some telepathic communication,
that yes, both sexes are represented. I knew that for a fact.
How I knew that, I have no idea. But I became indignant because
I thought, at that moment, what am I doing here? For me?
Here? What's the purpose of me being here? I think I'm in
some type of hospital. I pointed that then, and said, you're not
my doctors. Hey, you're not my doctors, Bruce. Sorry. The
ones that were working on you, did they look gray like Grace as well?
Or were they a different species? I never saw them. Guys.
Can you hear me? No? I can, but yeah, Bruce,
you faded out. Can you hear me now? Yes, I hear you
now. Okay. So the point I wanted to make is I felt I
was in a very large space, and then the room I was in was
one of many rooms, and that these beings were going back and forth from
room to room. That's the that's the interpretation I had, that's the sense
I had as a child, that that's the type of environment I was in.
But I'll finish this episode, this this experience I had by by telling
you what happened next. When I began to object to what was happening to
me, I felt what was what I thought was a hand pressed up against
and it was as large as my chest and abdomen, combined gently but firmly
pushing me back down on the exam table. And I hadn't, for some
reason, no will to resist. I just went along with it. I
I don't I won't say I blacked out, but I definitely had no desire
to against this force, whether it was some type of a mental command transmitted
telepathically, or whether it was an actual actual hand pushing me down I'm not
entirely sure, but I was pushed down to a supplying position again, lying
down on the table, and immediately blacked out. And that is all I
remember from that experience. And have you had other experiences since then? Yes,
I have had a number of experiences. And going back or going forward
a few years from that, I had another experience where I woke up paralyzed.
It must have been twelve thirteen, or I could have I could have
been my mid early to mid teens, and it was dawn, just after
dawn, and for some reason, well, I woke up paralyzed by I'd
been sleeping on my right side, so my head was pointed to the right.
And what I could see, and this was maybe this was maybe just
a foot away from me, standing where my table lamp was, was the
classic gray alien, but it looked transparent like I could still see it was
standing where my table lamp was. I could still see part of the lamp
and see the alien at the same time, again disproportionately large hairless said and
I measured the lamp the head. The top of the head of the being
was no higher than the top of the lamp. Portion of the table lamp
which is three and a half feet from the floor, so but in a
crouching position. And what alarmed me about this was I could see the being
so close to me, but I couldn't see it's ants, and it looked
like it's it's arms which were stretched out towards me, particularly toward my head,
and it looked like it has hands behind my head, whether it was
performing some type of operation implantation procedure, or simply laying my head back down
on the pillow after you know, I was returned to my bedroom. I
couldn't tell these meetings with these things, like when you were on that that
you have on that craft and one thing or another, there is no way
you've got any resistance against them. You just cannot resist against them, even
if you wanted to. It's just not there. The what I like to
to report on what people have said their abductees, and I remember there was
one account where the abductee said, you know, this just happens so many
times to me that you know, you just realized there's nothing you can do.
There's absolutely nothing could do with that. What's going to change, that's
going to change, what's going to happen? You know, there's there's no
reason to do anything to try to exist, to resist. This is the
way it is, And why should I. Why should I? Why should
I try to change anything now? Because I never had any confidence from the
beginning that I could I could change the outcome. And you know, I
think of I've thought about this so many times. How during the Betty and
Barney Hill of abduction, you know, they were one of the few interracial
couples in the in the fifties in America, And that's why Barney carried when
they when they drove together, carried a revolver for their own protection. And
when he saw the the UFO that it was hovering so closely above their car,
their car installed out and they knew that were abouts. He knew they
were about to be abducted. He had reached open up the glove compartment to
the car, reached for the revolver, grasped it, and then put it
back and close the glove box, because he must eventually realized there was nothing
he could do, even with a firearm, to oppose these technology. Technologically
advanced beings might have come from solar system trillions of miles, hundreds of thousands
of light years from earth. There's nothing to do. Nothing he could do
too, just go along and hope and hope for the best and and wait
it out. And he thought that was the best approach to to ensure that
he and Betty would be able to at least survive this particular episode. And
in so many abductees in respond the same way. There's a few that resist,
but they're few and far between. From from what I've read, there's
yeah, very few. I know of a couple who. Most abductees or
experiencers forget and they remember under hypnosis. There's a handful that remember all their
experiences. The whatever the mind wiping doesn't seem to work on them. Now,
have you always dealt with the gray beings or have you also interacted with
other types of beings as well? No, No, only the grays everything,
you know, all the experiences I've had are with the same type of
beings, and they're the gray alien most of the time, though they're white
in color, but they have the same anatomical appearance. The only feeling I
had was that the being that might have been pushing me down on the exam
table during my first abduction experience, the hand felt so large that I imagine
it might have been one of the taller grays, that maybe the Mantis type,
because the hand seemed to be too large to be that, because the
beings that I was looking at we're no taller than I was as a six
year old, so it could have been one of their hands. It had
to have been a larger, taller being that was pushing me back on the
exam table. Yet I couldn't see it. It's almost if I as if
I immediately closed my eyes or were starting to drift off into unconsciousness as I
was being pushed down on the exam table, so I could not see that
being. But other than that, I have never seen anything like a uh,
you know, a tall Nordic, a Reptilian, a blue Syrian,
or even even the tranteloid. I think they're called the Mantis type alien beings
that a number of abductees who also see the grays also report seeing. In
fact, they sometimes see them together in the same h on board the same
UFO. That that has not been something I've experienced. You know, you
this book came out late last year and you had your first experiences around six
years old. How long or when was the last time you had an experience,
your last one. Well, the I've had experiences a number of experiences,
and this is a very common experience of abductees, where you have this
sense of flying. You're suddenly flying over the Earth, and it's exhilarating and
it feels incredibly real. It's if it's a dream, it's like an elucid
dream where you're you know, you're convinced this is really happening. And in
each case, I can remember on either side of me, I see the
same alien beings, and as I talk in the book, a number of
other abductees have had the same type of experience, where but then after regressive
hypnosis, they're able to retrieve the memory that they're actually being floated into a
hovering UFO and escorted, if you will, by one or more of these
these gray alien beings. And I've had these experiences, I would say,
into my early adulthood, maybe into my mid twenties. Now after that,
the only experiences I've had is I would wake up, and this has happened
to me a number of times, be woken up by what I felt was
clearly someone tapping me on my forehead. I could feel the fingers of a
hand tapping on my forehead, waking me up. I discussed this when with
one experiencer also actually happened to be a podcast host who who will imagine that
they were just trying to see if I was okay after perhaps some type of
examine examina exam or some type of experiment experimentation was done on me. They
were trying to make sure that everything was okay at the conclusion of this particular
experimentation. But nothing more concrete than that. In my in my adulthood,
that's that's all I remember. Most of my experiences were in childhood and early
teen years. Do you feel that all of your experiences happened on a physical
level or do you think that some or a percentage of your experiences may have
happened as in an either an astral state or out of body experience. The
only thing I can I can relate that would connect my experiences to, you
know, our physical reality, something that happened in our physical reality, or
the medical the medical effects of these interactions. Like a lot of other abductees,
particularly those who have memories of implants, I've had the unexplained nosebleeds or
had a period of missing time. I didn't know what I had done all
day, and suddenly found myself in the apartment with it unexplained nose bleed,
severe nose bleed. UH. Ear nose and throat surgeon who removed my tonsils
and adnoids UH tell my father that he had found an unexplained wound or scar
in the throat behind my nasal cavity at the time of the surgery. That
also has been reported by other up up the abductees that have memories both of
nasal implants and unexplained nose bleeds. So these physical effects of the interactions I've
had with with the with the Grays lead me to believe this happened in our
our physical reality. Sorry, go ahead. Have you ever had anything like
skin scrapings uh? As I described in the book. I have other physical
scars another part of my body, right in my shin below my knee,
my left knee, and it looks like a scoop mark. Yeah, it's
just maybe maybe a centimeter diameter, almost perfectly round, and it looks like
it's it's rather deep. And when I say that, when I say rather
deep, meaning it appears to be that because it's also sensitive to touch that
some of the bone underneath it has been removed. And I have a story
and account from an abductee where the abductee had the same scar, the same
scoop mark, the same part of their leg and one example by a nurse
said, that looks just like it was from a boone biopsy on the lake
or on the limbs. Yes, they're mainly the legs. I'm very close
to the knees some reason. Yeah, I've heard that several times too.
Yeah, and I have. I've not been able to find many accounts of
of that's of that scar in that particular place. But but you know,
many people have these scars, they call them scoop marks. But it was
just interesting to find that account that so closely mirrored my own, and so
that that really causes me to speculate that this is this is a phenomenon that's
firm, firmly ground grounded in reality. Although you know, the point you
make mark that is that are capacity to perceive everything that is happening to us
is very limited with respect to our own reality. So in terms of understanding
what's happening when we're interaction, interacting with a cautiousness that's in another part of
the universe, or maybe in another dimension of our own contiguous universe. You
know that maye that certainly has to be even more limited in terms of our
ability to see and and and understand what's what's happening to us, you know,
So I certainly take take your point very well in that regard. Well,
time has been really flying here. So we are coming up on not
just ask one more question absolutely, what do you think, Bruce will come
of all this in the future. Do you think it would be for the
good of mankind or about for the opposite? Well, you you're familiar,
Mark, You're familiar as well with the work of David Jacobs, and I
do discuss his work where he has a less sanguine few of this that where
in the process of being colonized, and that the the reason why genetic material
has been taken from up defties is to through a program in vuture fertilization to
create a new species. And what I call they call them, he calls
them hybrids. I call them transgenic humans, human beings that they have alien
DNA or mutated you know, sequences of existing pre existing genes or maybe new
genes that are alien genes integrated into the genome to create a new species that
will be instrumental in the takeover. They they are here already and they're the
vanguard of a uh, what's the what's the word A A A A third
column that's going to be instrumental in takeover of the human race by an advanced
alien civilization. That's one view, now the other The other other view is
that there are high people with high level scientific and high level scientific positions.
One one mentioned is has been head of security for the Israeli Space Agency,
who claim that many countries on Earth have relationship now, with a lack of
a better expression, what is a galactic federation of alien of advanced alien civilizations
that we're now a part of and analogous to the United Nations, And there
and the interactions that have taken place via the abduction program between human beings and
aliens. Is being done to facilitate those interactions so that we can either our
evolution can be accelerated, or we can be given downloads, or perhaps even
having our our genomes genetically altered so that we can interact and communicate with beings
that are part of this part of this federation so that we can join the
cosmic community as as members of this galactic federation. Now, whether or not
there there are adversaries that are opposed to this particular particular federation, I I
don't know, but that would be the more optimistic view that that, you
know, anything that's that's done by the abduction programs is to move us evolutionarily
to the next level so that we can we can be part of the part
of the cosmic community. And so that's that's going to be quite a quantum
leap for Homo sapiens. If that if that that is the case, Uh,
that's that's going to transpire over the probably over the next generation. Would
that's that's the optimistic view, And that's since I'm an optimist, that's that's
the one I like to entertain. That's the one I like as well.
Yes, super no independence day, no no ye. But but but I
want to learn as much. Have as many scientists, uh, top scientists,
multiple multiple disciplines gathered together to study the phenomenon, every aspect of it,
so we can learn as much as possible, even though we hope for
the best, we should I always like to plan for the worst. Well,
it's it's getting especially our American scientists involve a lot of foreign over in
Europe, Asia and even down in Mexico and South America. There's so much
more open to this phenomenon than we are. Mark. That's a major reason
excuse me for interrupting that. I wrote the book to get other scientists,
particularly those who might be experiencers, to come forward, and that will cause
more members of our American scientific community to view this as a legitimate subject of
investigation, because so few, such a small percentage, are even looking at
it, let alone starting to study it. So again, that's a major
reason why I wrote the book. Fantastic, it's good. Well, your
book is called Dominion Lost a scientist Own Alien Abduction Encounters, And you have
two editions. You have the main edition and then an unabridged edition. And
where can people find your book on Amazon? And the abridged version is it
just almost exclusively contains my abduction experiences where it's not interrupted so much by so
much scientific analysis. But those who are interested in that can look at the
unabridge version. They're both on Amazon under the same title, and one the
unabridged version has a picture of a boy being beamed up by a UFO.
The Abridge version has that. The cover shows that first experience I had being
on the exam table and shows a six year old boy about to receive a
nasal implant from a gray alien. And that's that's the Underbridge version, but
they're both on Amazon. You can just you can type my name Bruce Rappawano
or the title Dominion Lost. Fantastic. Well, Bruce, thank you so
much for coming onto the show. This has been an incredible conversation and I
think we definitely could go a lot longer on this too, so we may
have to have you back here in the near future. That great good idea.
I would love it. And it was great just to meet you and
find out a little bit more about your podcast and your your your individual viewpoints
that of course that you were willing to share with me, because we're all
we're all looking at a little piece of the puzzle, and that's why we
need to talk as much as possible and share our knowledge and information because,
as you said, Mark, this you know what we know is just a
mare tip of the iceberg exactly at best. Well, everyone, thank you
for tuning in to another edition of the Paranormal UK radio show, The Flag
Chip Show here on the Paranormal UK Radio station Slash Network, And as usual,
Irene, where can people find us? No? I know this one,
I know it. Mark. You can find us everywhere, people,
everywhere, everyone. We will are going to be pushing forward. Irene and
I are going to be doing more shows coming up here soon, so stay
tuned and be good humans. We will talk to you all later. Bye
bye, bye bye