1 00:00:05,799 --> 00:00:09,199 What's he throughout the impossible or whatever I may have, The improbable must be 2 00:00:09,279 --> 00:00:15,439 true and it is not a question of the libero cultism all a touch of 3 00:00:15,519 --> 00:00:20,120 mysticism is today it is Empires. It's a host of them souls. Hello, 4 00:00:20,199 --> 00:00:30,199 Pops, thy Father, spirit dud for a certain termed more than night 5 00:00:31,039 --> 00:00:35,320 here the old gods aren't dead? And what is the true God? When 6 00:00:35,359 --> 00:00:41,880 he's dead? You can't complain. People assume the time is a strict progression 7 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,640 of cause to effect, but actually from a nonlinear, non subjective viewpoint, 8 00:00:45,719 --> 00:00:52,640 it's more like a big ball of wiby wobbly thymey wymy stuff. You're listening 9 00:00:52,759 --> 00:01:00,280 to Paranormal UK Radio. Hello everybody, This is Irene Allen, the host 10 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:07,000 of the Paranormal UK Radio Show. It's been difficult for me to remember actually 11 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,159 because this is the first show I've done this year, so I really remember 12 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,400 what I asked. Flagship show, the flag Chip Show. Oh that's it? 13 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,799 Yeah, yeah, all right, mad a flagship show or the Paranormal 14 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,640 UK Radio station. Because we are a station. We've got stations status, 15 00:01:25,079 --> 00:01:29,799 yes we do, although we got network on the actual website. We actually 16 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:37,239 are a station and my host is Mark Johnson, and I have no idea 17 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:44,799 what I'm saying tonight because I'm quite confused. Well, considering it's been, 18 00:01:45,879 --> 00:01:49,959 oh god, since mid December since we've done a show together. It was 19 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,799 before that, Mark, no, no, I first go to the doctors 20 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:59,000 in October, wasn't it. I don't remember. It's everything's been so much 21 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:05,680 has happened in these last several months, between you and me and doctors and 22 00:02:05,799 --> 00:02:14,159 hospitals and god knows everything else. Yeah, but you know you're straightened You're 23 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:19,120 more or less straightened out now, and hopefully i'll get some answers very soon 24 00:02:19,159 --> 00:02:23,000 as well. Keeping my fingers crossed for you. Yeah, thank you very 25 00:02:23,199 --> 00:02:27,919 much. I've been looking forward and I'm sure a lot of our listeners have 26 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:32,560 been looking forward to you coming back. Yeah, I bet come on, 27 00:02:32,599 --> 00:02:39,080 people send in the fan mail and I'll be quite happy. Then. Oh 28 00:02:39,319 --> 00:02:42,800 good lord. Well, you know, I think since the last time on 29 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,800 the show, you've got you got a new dog, two new dogs. 30 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:53,240 I've got my inherited Wait a minute, yes, I got scrap, asked 31 00:02:53,319 --> 00:03:00,560 glliwagg didn't I who was making know? That's pipa poos. Hold on a 32 00:03:00,599 --> 00:03:01,599 minute, I'll have to go and see to her. In a minute, 33 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:07,000 I got Scaley wagg and now I have inherited my son's too dog, Scrappy 34 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:15,960 Dough and Ronald. Okay, yeah, because his garden is just not suited 35 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,120 for dogs. So they've come down to stay with me for a while. 36 00:03:19,199 --> 00:03:23,120 They're sort of on holiday for a couple of months down here. Okay, 37 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:30,280 until I kick him back out again. Oh well, it's great having you 38 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:35,639 back. I know I was able to do a couple of shows here within 39 00:03:35,719 --> 00:03:40,479 the last month, and we got a good show for tonight, so I'm 40 00:03:40,479 --> 00:03:45,639 looking forward to it. Why don't we go ahead and we'll get right into 41 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:55,639 it then. Okay, Mark cut will for a second. Okay, Oh 42 00:03:55,919 --> 00:04:00,759 gosh, you know, if you need to step away to take care of 43 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:09,560 them, you know, you just meete your mic oh off, Bruce, 44 00:04:09,639 --> 00:04:18,759 we got a yeah. If they if they, if you're not, if 45 00:04:18,759 --> 00:04:27,920 you're not sorry this freaking delay, If you're not talking and you need to 46 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,959 walk away, or they're barking, whatever, just just hit the mute button 47 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:35,360 on your yeah. Okay, Well, but I'm sorry about that, Bruce. 48 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:40,279 But I've got a dog who's nineteen years old. She's flying, she's 49 00:04:40,399 --> 00:04:46,199 dead. She's confused. Wow, yet the only thing she knows is a 50 00:04:46,399 --> 00:04:51,000 food dish, kind of like her mother. Anyway, it can't teach. 51 00:04:51,199 --> 00:04:58,879 Can't teach your new tricks, not at this stage. No, right now, 52 00:04:59,519 --> 00:05:06,439 Okay, let me get ready and go. So I wanted to introduce 53 00:05:06,519 --> 00:05:15,519 tonight's guest, and I was really looking forward talking to this person and author 54 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:26,199 because of their background. Now, Bruce Rapuano has a bachelor's arts degree from 55 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:31,800 the University of Pennsylvania, where he majored in neurobiology and minored in psychology. 56 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:39,079 He has a PhD in neuropharmacology. Okay, I was able to say that 57 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:46,199 right from the University of Connecticut and jearis doctorate from New York Law School. 58 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:54,079 So wow, you got everything. So, doctor Rapuano has conducted an independent 59 00:05:54,120 --> 00:06:01,120 biomedical research as a cell biologist an internationally recognized medical institution, including the Memorial's 60 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:06,160 Slankettering Cancer Center in the Hospital for Special Surgery, both in New York City. 61 00:06:08,439 --> 00:06:14,079 He's authored or co authored thirty scientific articles in peer reviewed medical journals. 62 00:06:15,079 --> 00:06:21,680 Now what's interesting is he has a relatively new book out came out at the 63 00:06:21,759 --> 00:06:31,000 end of last year called Dominion Loss, a scientist's own alien induction encounters. 64 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,639 So welcome Bruce to the program. How are you, Verce, I'm great. 65 00:06:35,639 --> 00:06:42,079 Thank you to you Mark and Irene for having having me on. It's 66 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,680 a pleasure to meet both of you and look forward to having a very interesting 67 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,000 conversation. Well, yeah, you know something. Sorry Mark, but you 68 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,759 know something, Bruce, good job to Mark said that, because there's no 69 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:59,079 way I could have pronounced any of those long words. I'd still be doing 70 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:03,959 it now. Hey did a great job as long as you didn't go into 71 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:10,480 alien speak and everybody would be scratching with her, which she does occasionally. 72 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:19,399 But so anyway, what's unique about you and your book is that you've had 73 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:28,120 your own abduction encounters. But you are also a scientist, so you can 74 00:07:28,439 --> 00:07:34,120 look at this from a scientific background and talk more about it. So very 75 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:41,480 fascinated by this topic. So Bruce, you know, I'll just ask you 76 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,240 to kind of start at the beginning. I mean, you what made you 77 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:51,079 come out with your story at this time? Well, you know, I 78 00:07:51,120 --> 00:08:00,519 think what I realized was no scientist, either an America or anywhere the world, 79 00:08:01,279 --> 00:08:07,319 had ever come forward to tell their account of UFO close encounter or alien 80 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:13,360 abduction, and I, you know, I thought that you know, this, 81 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,480 this was the time there's been in the past year or two a big 82 00:08:18,199 --> 00:08:26,600 parent momentum for disclosure, and we're waiting for the government and in particular the 83 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:33,279 military to come forward with what at least some of what it knows. But 84 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,320 you know, the other thing is, you know, I know everyone has 85 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:45,360 been talking about the technology that the US government has recovered crashed alien spacecraft, 86 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:52,399 but they're not talking so much about the fact that there are alien beings that 87 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,320 are piloting those spacecraft, and we might have recovered the bodies, particularly the 88 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:03,559 bodies of the aliens that that crashed at Roswell, and we're not really discussing 89 00:09:03,759 --> 00:09:09,440 that much that the nature of those alien beings. And although we were focusing 90 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,000 so much in technology, I believe we're falling behind the curve and understanding what 91 00:09:13,039 --> 00:09:18,480 the nature of the aliens are and what their agenda might be. So, 92 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:26,559 you know, I basically I had these experiences my entire life, and it 93 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:31,679 wasn't until the mid eighties when these great books in the US came out about 94 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,840 alien abduction for the first time. There was the Betty and Barney Hill case. 95 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:39,440 Of course, there was the John J. Chief Fuller book that came 96 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:43,200 out in this interrupt That was the Interrupted Journey. But that was it. 97 00:09:43,399 --> 00:09:46,440 But then there was kind of an explosion of interest in the eighties. I 98 00:09:46,519 --> 00:09:52,559 began to read the work of the groundbreaking but Hopkins and doctor the Harvard psychiatrist, 99 00:09:52,639 --> 00:09:58,919 doctor John Mack, and doctor David Jacobs, and I was astonished because 100 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:05,159 I could check the box, every box in what I would call the core 101 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:11,399 alien abduction scenario, and the stories and narratives and the analysis by those three 102 00:10:11,399 --> 00:10:18,360 investigators in particular was so compelling that I was convinced the phenomenon was real, 103 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,919 and not only that it had happened to me. But you know, at 104 00:10:20,919 --> 00:10:24,039 that time, I was right at the start of my career as a biomedical 105 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,480 research scientist, and I didn't know how I could tell my story. Whitley 106 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:35,960 Strieber at that time had published his first book, Communion. So fast forward, 107 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:41,399 you know, a few decades, and now it seems like some type 108 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:46,480 of disclosures and pending. There's some events that we all feel as it is 109 00:10:46,519 --> 00:10:50,799 going to happen, and I feel now is the appropriate time to tell my 110 00:10:50,879 --> 00:10:56,720 story. And since I'm more established, I'm at the end of my career, 111 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:01,039 and you know, let the chips fall the way they day. I'll 112 00:11:01,039 --> 00:11:07,000 take whatever slings and arrows are aimed at me for you know, coming forward 113 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:16,600 with this what some consider a story about it very controversial subjects. Well, 114 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:24,480 you mentioned a lot of great books and researchers, and you know, I've 115 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:30,840 had the distinct pleasure of interviewing Whitley on several occasions. Wonderful gentlemen. Yes, 116 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:39,879 And what I especially find fascinating about his experiences and his story is that 117 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:48,399 how it's evolved over the years, since the late eighties until now, it's 118 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:54,440 things are very, very different. He's published several other books on the subject 119 00:11:54,480 --> 00:12:01,120 matter. And you know, that's one thing that I've noticed a lot in 120 00:12:01,159 --> 00:12:07,720 the ufology community, because not a lot of people are willing to change their 121 00:12:07,799 --> 00:12:13,000 views. They come off with one view, and like in mouf On, 122 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:18,919 you have so many of the people who look at nuts and bolts UFOs aliens 123 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:26,559 from another planet or another star system, and they try to keep it very 124 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:33,600 grounded. And yet the phenomenon itself when you talk to the other experiencers, 125 00:12:35,399 --> 00:12:39,440 which we've had the opportunity to talk to many on this show, is that 126 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,639 there's an aspect of this, and I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. 127 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,080 There is an aspect of this that seems to go beyond our physical dimension. 128 00:12:50,879 --> 00:12:58,519 Yes, and you know Whitley has been a thought later in this area. 129 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,799 The name that comes to mind is doctor Jack Ballet, who focused not 130 00:13:03,879 --> 00:13:09,600 so much on the physical nature of the UFOs and the alien beings, but 131 00:13:11,039 --> 00:13:18,600 the aspects of consciousness that we need to understand better to try to figure out 132 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:24,960 what this phenomenon is all about. Now, I look at it from a 133 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:31,919 different perspective since I am a biologist, and I am particularly affected and persuaded 134 00:13:31,879 --> 00:13:41,320 and fascinated by the story of Lieutenant Colonel Philip Corso day after Roswell and his 135 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:50,399 detailed narrative, not just about the opportunity he had to look at the cadaver 136 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:56,399 of an alien being the classic gray alien for a period of time, but 137 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:03,000 to actually read the detailed all tops reports that pathologists at Walter Read Hospital in 138 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:11,039 Washington did on the bodies of the aliens that crashed at Roswell. And clearly 139 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:16,960 it's that body of evidence has persuaded me that one aspect of this is we're 140 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:24,480 dealing with corporeal sentient living beings. Now, I don't have a clue, 141 00:14:24,519 --> 00:14:31,799 frankly, Mark Irene where they come from. But there there's a biological aspect. 142 00:14:31,879 --> 00:14:41,600 Now, whether or not they're they're also cybernetic organisms, that's that's another 143 00:14:41,679 --> 00:14:46,159 issue. But that's you know, I start from that perspective, or at 144 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:52,080 least I started from that perspective in writing my book. Now in terms of 145 00:14:52,159 --> 00:14:58,480 how we interact with them, that's that's another question. Whether or not there's 146 00:14:58,519 --> 00:15:05,080 a direct brain to bring commune unication, that's yeah, that's maybe innate ability 147 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:11,000 of that the aliens possessed that some human beings also possess, or whether that's 148 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:16,759 technology assisted. They have some type of technology that would facilitate this type of 149 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:22,000 interaction, maybe even across dimensions. You may you mean like a form of 150 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:28,279 v SP. A form of VSP like remote remote viewing, may may be 151 00:15:28,399 --> 00:15:33,320 related to that, because there's there's some scientists that are studying the relationship between 152 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:39,639 the ability to remote view and and telepathy and it may originate in the same 153 00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:45,120 from the same structures in the brain that some scientists are studying. Some some 154 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:52,039 neuroscientists are focusing on this now and they're doing UH. Neuroimaging studies shown there 155 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:58,799 may be differences in the brains of experiencers that that may confer this ability to 156 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:04,000 communicate telep pathically with alien beings or with each other and also remote view. 157 00:16:04,519 --> 00:16:08,440 So that's a as a biologist and a neuroscientist, that's a fascinating area for 158 00:16:10,159 --> 00:16:15,840 me to talk about. But we there is this aspect of although I say 159 00:16:15,919 --> 00:16:26,279 there we're dealing with a a biological UH entity, we don't know how we're 160 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,480 interacting with them where whether they have to cross into our dimension and then bring 161 00:16:30,559 --> 00:16:37,440 us with them back into their dimension, or whether some way through the UH 162 00:16:37,639 --> 00:16:41,720 you know, based on quantum mechanics, we're able to to entangle with our 163 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:51,159 consciousnesses, can entagle with each other with that's These are also fascinating questions and 164 00:16:51,159 --> 00:16:55,720 and I know Whitley Streeber has been one of the investigators who has been, 165 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:03,080 like I say, a thought leader and examined this question and really gotten away 166 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:11,640 from the nuts and bolts view that a lot of neupologists investigators you know, 167 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:18,480 are tied to or are exclusively focus on. Well, give me area fifty 168 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:23,440 nine. Wasn't there a room or something mark where they have they done something 169 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:30,079 to stop remote viewing and area fifty one. Yeah, Area fifty one, 170 00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:37,079 some coil or something. I honestly don't stop hearing you in area fifty one. 171 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:42,880 M. That's an interesting concept. I mean, I think if that's 172 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:49,960 true, that that's tied in with aliens. Maybe there is a connection with 173 00:17:51,079 --> 00:17:56,440 this with remote viewing. Yeah, that's actually a very interesting new concept. 174 00:17:57,599 --> 00:18:06,880 I had not really thought of that before. Sorry. The story I've heard 175 00:18:07,559 --> 00:18:11,960 is that, you know, one or more of our intelligence agencies, either 176 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,599 the c i A or the d i A or some other UH COVID agency 177 00:18:18,319 --> 00:18:26,119 has been actively evolved for decades using remote viewing to see what our adversaries are 178 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:30,880 doing. But as as a side effect of this program, UH, some 179 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:45,440 of the remote reviewers have made contact with ETS and and the end interacted well, 180 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,839 for lack of a better term, telepathically, and we're able to remote 181 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:56,160 view what was going on inside one of their spacecraft and actually had along with 182 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,079 the remote viewing of it, they could actually see what was inside the spacecraft, 183 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:07,880 see the beings, and actually communicate telepathically. So I've heard about that. 184 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:19,720 In fact, Mark shut up, in fact skeptical. Perhaps he's saying 185 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:26,759 I know something, don't I I heard her laughing, so I say, 186 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,039 yeah, you know something I don't. Why do you check it out? 187 00:19:33,319 --> 00:19:41,519 Yeah? Now I remember, Oh God, going back some time ago, 188 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:48,319 I asked somebody to remote view and I tasked somebody to look into a spaceship 189 00:19:51,519 --> 00:19:56,599 and what they came back was quite interesting. By the way, Bruce, 190 00:19:56,759 --> 00:20:00,920 you see to clarify, Irene is a remote viewer. Oh okay, thank 191 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:07,079 you. I even recall I don't know if I'm correct. There was a 192 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:17,319 story where they were able to corroborate with the experience of the first remote viewer 193 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:22,000 because there was another remote viewer that could could see the same thing, obtained 194 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:27,480 the same information at the same time. And you know, I mentioned the 195 00:20:27,559 --> 00:20:33,920 work of neuroscientists that that I find fascinating, and I'll just allude to one 196 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:40,240 more time. They found that there's antruct particular structure in the brain in the 197 00:20:40,839 --> 00:20:49,799 in basal ganglia that have higher density of connections. And experiencers of the abduction 198 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:56,519 phenomenon, and many of whom we know have claimed to have telepathic ability and 199 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:02,279 those who have remote viewing. Yeah, the remote viewers and the experiencers are 200 00:21:02,279 --> 00:21:04,839 different from the rest of us and then they have and that they have these 201 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:11,559 denser synaptic connections in this one specific part of the brain, and that you 202 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:17,160 know that that leads to whether or not we can we can find out what 203 00:21:18,519 --> 00:21:22,680 we can do the functional genomics and final what what do they have extra copies 204 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,079 of genes or novel genes that allow them to have this particular type of development 205 00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:30,720 of this part of the brain. So we're really getting down to the to 206 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:36,200 uh the possibility that we may be able to figure out some of the science 207 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,559 behind this, which is very fascinating to me. Well, one test. 208 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:45,759 One thing that I thought about when you're talking about this is the fact that 209 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:52,720 most experiences like yourself you had commented earlier that you've been experienced this as long 210 00:21:52,759 --> 00:22:00,039 as you can remember, back into childhood, and that alone, having that 211 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:07,920 detailed the constant experiences over the years could develop something. But there's also the 212 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:17,599 implant issue. And you know doctor Roger Lear who was had removed some implants, 213 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:25,400 and I know Whitley talked extensively about his But you know, sometimes if 214 00:22:25,799 --> 00:22:30,279 people, even in their youth, if they received an implant that they're not 215 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:37,039 aware of, that might help more easily facilitate this type of telepathic communication. 216 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:45,200 Now that is a major I have two books, actually, Mark that is 217 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,680 a major focus on my longer book, which I call the Underbridge version, 218 00:22:49,279 --> 00:22:56,640 the same title Dominion Laws The Scientists Own Alien Abduction Accounters. And the reason 219 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:03,200 why I did so much a scientific analysis in that Underbridge book is because the 220 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:08,119 most concrete memory I have of my abduction experiences involved, at the age of 221 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:14,720 six years old, having this flashback of some type of device. It was 222 00:23:14,759 --> 00:23:18,000 a metal ball, a metal sphere, maybe two to three millimeters in diameter. 223 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,839 I remember a specific structure to it. It had studs or projections around 224 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:29,039 it, very very small, maybe silver and color, but with studs like 225 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:32,440 you would find on the surface of a thimble. I also had the memory 226 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,319 that it had either come out of my nose, so that's why I knew 227 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,519 it was a nasal. It could have been a nasal implant, or I 228 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:47,359 was told or warned that it could come out if I sneezed or blew my 229 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:53,160 nose too forcefully. I've had this flashbacks and flashback in particular a number of 230 00:23:53,160 --> 00:24:00,799 times in my life after that, and you know that cause me to think 231 00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:07,440 a lot about if so many of of the abductees, and as I talk 232 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:12,880 about in my Unabridge book, in particular, Bud Hopkins is based on his 233 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:21,400 work, has found maybe ten percent of the abductedes have evidence of this nasal 234 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:26,319 implant, that it has been given to them by the alien abductors. Another 235 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:34,640 ten percent maybe had implants also inside the head, either inside the ear canal 236 00:24:34,759 --> 00:24:44,119 or behind the ear under the eye. But what I wondered is because number 237 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,680 one, the alien beings during the abduction process seemed to exert such a complete 238 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:57,880 control over the abductees. They can turn off the family members or friends, 239 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:04,319 They can caused them to not remember any of the abduction event, or the 240 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:11,839 implant false memories caused them to become physically paralyzed during some portion of the abduction 241 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,759 event. You know, I wonder that if this was technology assisted. And 242 00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:23,119 in addition, whether or not the frequently reported telepathic communication between the ets, 243 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:30,160 particularly the Grays, and the abductees is also assisted by some sort of technology, 244 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,559 And whether or not that implant, if it's a nasal implant inside the 245 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,519 nasal cavity or one of the sinuses, or maybe that's just a route by 246 00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:45,000 which it's placed into the brain, might be in fact a brain computer interface. 247 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:52,119 They would be able to communicate with an alien remote AI, a computer 248 00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:59,960 that would receive instructions from the implant about the mental activity of the abductee, 249 00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:03,400 to be able to use that that implant to read the mind of the abductee, 250 00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:07,200 or to if you think of it, the reverse, to be able 251 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:14,559 to send messages through that implant, to to plant false memories, to to 252 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:19,160 create a virtual a reality, or to I was just control the human mind. 253 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,160 So that's my concept that I discussed a lot in the in the Unabridge 254 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:29,640 book. You've just answered one of my questions, and that was would the 255 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:36,960 implant be for download or transmitting? And I talk about chapters. Could it 256 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,680 could be either? It could be either one and probably both, because I 257 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:45,920 think one function of it is to is to catalog all of human mental activities, 258 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:51,039 find out the brain sources responsible for the different perceptions, the five senses, 259 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,799 our thinking ability or reasoning ability. But also once that knowledge is obtained, 260 00:26:56,079 --> 00:27:00,680 they have the they would have the ability to play the in mind like 261 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:06,519 a piano using this implant. It's very easy for me to conceive of a 262 00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:11,960 technology technologically advancedvilization be able to do that quite easily, because we're at the 263 00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:17,960 cuss in a generation or two of away from being able to do that. 264 00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:22,039 Look at the work that Elon Musk is doing with neuralk now where he's able 265 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:29,880 to restore function and and and uh disable people that lost the ability to speak 266 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:36,519 because they have stroke or strokes or or maybe they're uh, they have als 267 00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:41,079 and he's using the implant technology to allow them with their minds to move artificial 268 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:48,359 limbs and and you know, it's very very promising uh work that human scientists 269 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,519 are doing to be able to restore function and in a very dramatic way in 270 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,599 people that are so severely disabled. And so it's just as easy to imagine 271 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:03,680 what's the next step that might be something that could be used for our benefit 272 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:11,799 or against this If that, if that is the desire of the of a 273 00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:18,920 species, that an advanced species that's studying human beings, well you know that's 274 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:26,559 the whole point. Also is there's a lot of evidence that we're being visited 275 00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:37,119 by or interacting with more than one species, right and everything from those that 276 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:44,960 seem to want to work with us more benevolent to the malevolent ones that do 277 00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:48,839 what they want and they don't care, or even those that just have their 278 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,079 own agenda and we're not you know, our feelings on the matter are not 279 00:28:52,279 --> 00:29:00,240 high on their list of priorities. So yeah, it depends on who you're 280 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:07,640 dealing with. And each of those species or races are at different levels from 281 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,759 each other according to a lot of the witness accounts that I've heard of, 282 00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:18,960 so they're not all the same technological level. You know. I'm somewhat encouraged 283 00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:23,839 by the fact that such a high percentage of abductees that have these experiences throughout 284 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:33,160 their entire life begin to grow to whereas early on they might have been very 285 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:38,000 frightened traumatized, as as they have more and more experiences, they seem to 286 00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:45,119 be able to integrate them much better into their lives and ascribe a positive, 287 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,680 something positive to having these experiences. They think it it opens them up in 288 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:57,119 some way cognitively, spiritually, very high percentage of them and death experiences. 289 00:29:57,319 --> 00:30:03,839 Yeah, so makes me, well, at least at least it gives me 290 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,400 hope that at least the effect that the maybe the intent effect is one of 291 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,680 benevolence. On the other hand, on the other hand, I think of 292 00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:17,680 whether or not in some cases. That's just an example of the Stockholm Stockholm 293 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,519 syndrome. And as a biologist, I know we you know, when we 294 00:30:21,599 --> 00:30:25,480 experiment on animals, we try to make them as comfortable as possible, you 295 00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:30,079 know, you make you have a relationship with them almost like the animal this 296 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,039 year pet, especially when it's part of a long term study. And these 297 00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:40,319 abductees appear to be part of in each case, a long term studies since 298 00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:45,799 they're abducted many times throughout their life. And it's it's understandable how an alien 299 00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:53,759 scientist or veterinarian or how whatever you want to call you know what they're you 300 00:30:53,799 --> 00:31:00,960 know what, whatever type of scientists or you imagine them to be, I 301 00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:07,920 would want to establish a relationship with someone who is going to be a long 302 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:14,319 term subject of their h in their experimental product, in their scientific project. 303 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:21,240 So that's that makes me, you know, question whether or not this is 304 00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:26,880 a something that's a real uh, you know that I would ascribe these feelings 305 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,559 on the part of the abductees to the fact that it is that the that 306 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,599 the the intentions are benevolent on the part of the ets, or whether or 307 00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:41,640 not that they're being deceived to think that their benevolent for you know, practical 308 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:48,960 reasons, you know, to facilitate the research, you know, something that 309 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:55,640 I feel. And again I'm basing this off of a number of different cases 310 00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:01,960 of people that I've interviewed or read about. There are different agendas, But 311 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,599 I also think a lot of this is beyond our comprehension. You know. 312 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,039 I know people that were angry in the beginning. They feel like, oh, 313 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,599 I did not agree to this, and you have no right to do 314 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:22,000 this. And the aliens have responded, we have every right, yes, 315 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:30,160 and how they can control people. But I think sometimes and this is a 316 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:35,000 subject that I've been thinking a lot about lately, is the fact that while 317 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,519 we have our scientific method, we are trying to look at this from a 318 00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:50,279 scientific point of view and reason rationalize everything that people have been experiencing. But 319 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:59,599 there's also when you start getting in higher levels of like quantum mechanics and string 320 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:07,960 theory and people reality not being exactly what we think it is. Fact, 321 00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:14,880 I feel that reality is like the light spectrum. We only see this little 322 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:21,079 sliver of the light spectrum, and yet there's a broad range in both ways 323 00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:27,160 from the ultraviolet and for red. And I think our concept of reality is 324 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,400 the same, is that there's so much more going on that's beyond our ability 325 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:39,839 to perceive with the brains we have and in our current level of development. 326 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:45,240 Now, as we mentioned earlier in the show, that some people who have 327 00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:49,759 these interactions seem to have that part of the brain stimulated where they're able to 328 00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:58,440 have these telepathic interactions or communication with these beings. So there's something going on 329 00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:07,720 there, whether it's completely physical, maybe some metaphysical. I think there's still 330 00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:15,320 a lot more to learn. Absolutely, uh, you know, sorry. 331 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:21,159 I think a lot of these beings that we are interacting with are asked from 332 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:27,320 the future. There is that theory that's been out there. Yep. Yeah, 333 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,599 but look at my own experiences, Mark, where I know I've been 334 00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:38,719 downloaded with stuff. Yeah, okay, what about angiogram CT scans, PET 335 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,000 scans, I've had them all in the last few weeks. If I had 336 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,719 an implant, they would show up, wouldn't It absolutely hasn't. Yes, 337 00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:57,400 Yes, Mark, I haven't. Well, maybe these maybe a couple of 338 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,119 these things that they're they're looking at hm hm, you know, until they 339 00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:08,559 get in there, then you who the doctors are. Yes, no, 340 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:15,480 there doctors when they're looking at I've seen a lot of the scans. I 341 00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:20,159 saw the pet scan the other day. There was nothing on it like that 342 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,719 except for a couple of nodules. That's all. Yeah. Well, you 343 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:31,800 also still, throughout your life get these downloads of information. So they're coming 344 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:38,639 from somewhere, whether it's through technology or some other means. M hm. 345 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:49,039 I download this information, Bruce, and it's far too intelligent for me to 346 00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:54,039 understand. You need to you need to write, write this all down and 347 00:35:54,519 --> 00:36:00,280 publish it. And publish it. Yeah, no, Mark, keep some 348 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:06,480 of it when I let you know. But it's I don't know. I'm 349 00:36:06,559 --> 00:36:12,119 just not really. I just it just downloads. And I said, boy, 350 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,079 it's about a lot of it. I can't remember. Well, you 351 00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:19,920 know, I know I've had a download, but I can't remember what it 352 00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:23,679 was. I'm very jealous Irene. I wish I could get some downloads everything 353 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,679 I learned. I have to I have to research and read articles, but 354 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,719 it takes me a lot of time. Well, I wish I could remember 355 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:37,199 a lot of it. I also remember Irene. And I'll tell this to 356 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:45,519 Bruce that you know, she's also incorrigible. It's really difficult to work with 357 00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:50,559 and they all download information and she doesn't want to be bothered with it. 358 00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:53,039 She just wants to get on with her life. So it's like, sure 359 00:36:53,639 --> 00:37:00,880 she tells them to f off sometimes and I sound like a right loopy now, 360 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:07,760 Donna, Well, you know you just didn't you didn't want to deal 361 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:14,480 with it. And it's funny that sometimes, uh, you know, something 362 00:37:14,519 --> 00:37:19,280 will happen to me that's coming through you where they're they're kind of scolding you 363 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:24,599 a little bit because because you could see their frustration because you don't deal with 364 00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:30,280 it. Awesome, Well, I wish I wish they would use email like 365 00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:35,679 my email addresses in the isn't the Yeah, it would be so much easier, 366 00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:38,360 wouldn't it. But first, what actually happened to you when you were 367 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:43,599 a child? That's what I want to know. Well, the you know, 368 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:49,320 the the first thing I wanted to talk about is and boy, six 369 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:54,679 years old is such a common age when most abductees report when they can remember 370 00:37:54,719 --> 00:38:00,639 their first abduction experience. And just like, just like from me, I 371 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:08,000 was, I remember being just nodding off to sleep. It was in late 372 00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:13,400 June or late July of nineteen sixty one. And this, as a matter 373 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,639 of fact, matter of fact, was two to three months before the Betting 374 00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:24,880 and Barney Hill abduction before it, and I it was cloudless day and something 375 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,000 I was my bed was right near the window, and something out of the 376 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:36,559 corner of my eye captured my attention. It was a glint or a flash 377 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,679 reflection off of something that drew my eye to the window, and I looked 378 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,639 down and through the window I saw the strangest looking airplane I'd ever seen. 379 00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:52,880 It was flying like right over the rooftops of our neighborhood, maybe four or 380 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,599 five six blocks away from where I was. And what was strange about it 381 00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:02,719 was the diameter of the fuselage was much greater, the width of it was 382 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,639 much greater relative it's length than I would have expected for an airplane. I 383 00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:13,280 thought I saw wings, but it looked just like a long sausage. With 384 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,760 wind it would no but it looked more rounded than the sausage shape, which 385 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:22,159 was too In other words, the fuselage looked too fat, too rounded. 386 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:29,480 And not only that, I saw some look like static discharge or lightning near 387 00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:32,000 the back of it, which was a little bit alarming, but no sound 388 00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:37,559 fascinating. I didn't want to take my eyes off of it, except what 389 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:43,800 was very uncharacteristic for me as a very curious child, particularly looking at things 390 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,320 that were flying around in the air. I always loved to look at the 391 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:53,719 airplanes and helicopters. I suddenly had was compelled to turn my head away from 392 00:39:53,800 --> 00:40:01,679 it instead of watch it, and quickly went to sleep, as if that 393 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:07,320 was what I was supposed to do. And when I woke up, did 394 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:12,199 you hear anything? Did you hear anything like a high pitch sound? No? 395 00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:15,760 No, no, no. In other words, what you're getting at 396 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,239 as many abductees at the incipients of an event here, some type of loud 397 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,679 sound, a high pitched wine, or nothing like that. Just immediately went 398 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:30,000 to sleep. I woke up and I wasn't in my house. I wasn't 399 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,760 in my bedroom anymore. It looked like I was in some type of hospital, 400 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:38,239 definitely a clinical environment, mainly because I was lying on what I thought 401 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,840 was an examination table. I don't know what it was made of, felt 402 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,199 very hard to the touch, much longer and wider than any exam table that 403 00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:52,199 would be necessary for a six year old child, to be honest, And 404 00:40:52,079 --> 00:41:01,440 I didn't know where I was, but I was a by something I noticed 405 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:07,960 some commotion maybe twenty feet from the foot of the exam table. That drew 406 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:14,039 my attention, and I automatically sat up, and I saw before me on 407 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,320 the other side of a doorway. I was in a room. There was 408 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,760 a doorway, an open doorway, maybe the size of it what we call 409 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:28,679 a two car garage in the US, maybe that size. On the other 410 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:34,280 side were dozens of three and a half the four foot tall humanoid belings, 411 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:42,760 the humanoid beings, the classic with the classic gray alien anatomical appearance. Disproportionately 412 00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:46,559 No, no, no, they were walking very briskly, very industriously, 413 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:51,880 clearly had clearly had a seriousness of purpose to all of them, dozens of 414 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,000 them, some walking from left to rights, some walking in the other direction. 415 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:59,800 I didn't know if they were on some type of motorized mechanical walkway or 416 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:04,159 they whether they were just walking naturally, so briskly so I can only see 417 00:42:04,159 --> 00:42:08,159 them from the side, but they were white in color and were curR ants. 418 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:15,400 Say that again, they like worker ants exactly, and that's exactly what 419 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,519 I thought they looked like. I didn't know at that age what a clone 420 00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:22,599 was, but they looked like identical carbon copies one another, all the same 421 00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:28,760 height, none of them all, None of them were thinner than the others, 422 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,920 or or more corpulate corpulent than the others. They all looked exactly the 423 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,119 same. But I had a question in my mind. Well, the first 424 00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:37,960 thing I said to them was, well, then let me let me get 425 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:43,280 to the question that just rose in my mind. Are there boys only or 426 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,519 girls only? Or boys and girls? I don't know why that came to 427 00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:52,079 me, but they all looked exactly like And it's as if someone was Eve's 428 00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:57,360 dropping on my internal dialogue. I seemed to get the answer. I seemed 429 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,800 to be made to understand. I assumed teleopathically, through some telepathic communication, 430 00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:06,760 that yes, both sexes are represented. I knew that for a fact. 431 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:14,320 How I knew that, I have no idea. But I became indignant because 432 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:20,079 I thought, at that moment, what am I doing here? For me? 433 00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:22,239 Here? What's the purpose of me being here? I think I'm in 434 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:27,159 some type of hospital. I pointed that then, and said, you're not 435 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:32,280 my doctors. Hey, you're not my doctors, Bruce. Sorry. The 436 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:37,239 ones that were working on you, did they look gray like Grace as well? 437 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:42,639 Or were they a different species? I never saw them. Guys. 438 00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:47,199 Can you hear me? No? I can, but yeah, Bruce, 439 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:52,719 you faded out. Can you hear me now? Yes, I hear you 440 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:58,000 now. Okay. So the point I wanted to make is I felt I 441 00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:02,039 was in a very large space, and then the room I was in was 442 00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:07,719 one of many rooms, and that these beings were going back and forth from 443 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:12,440 room to room. That's the that's the interpretation I had, that's the sense 444 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:17,119 I had as a child, that that's the type of environment I was in. 445 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:25,559 But I'll finish this episode, this this experience I had by by telling 446 00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:30,079 you what happened next. When I began to object to what was happening to 447 00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:37,079 me, I felt what was what I thought was a hand pressed up against 448 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:43,400 and it was as large as my chest and abdomen, combined gently but firmly 449 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,280 pushing me back down on the exam table. And I hadn't, for some 450 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:51,960 reason, no will to resist. I just went along with it. I 451 00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:58,000 I don't I won't say I blacked out, but I definitely had no desire 452 00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:07,159 to against this force, whether it was some type of a mental command transmitted 453 00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:10,760 telepathically, or whether it was an actual actual hand pushing me down I'm not 454 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:16,119 entirely sure, but I was pushed down to a supplying position again, lying 455 00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:22,559 down on the table, and immediately blacked out. And that is all I 456 00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:30,920 remember from that experience. And have you had other experiences since then? Yes, 457 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:37,199 I have had a number of experiences. And going back or going forward 458 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:45,920 a few years from that, I had another experience where I woke up paralyzed. 459 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:52,639 It must have been twelve thirteen, or I could have I could have 460 00:45:52,679 --> 00:46:00,519 been my mid early to mid teens, and it was dawn, just after 461 00:46:00,599 --> 00:46:07,880 dawn, and for some reason, well, I woke up paralyzed by I'd 462 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:14,679 been sleeping on my right side, so my head was pointed to the right. 463 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:19,199 And what I could see, and this was maybe this was maybe just 464 00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,800 a foot away from me, standing where my table lamp was, was the 465 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:29,679 classic gray alien, but it looked transparent like I could still see it was 466 00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,079 standing where my table lamp was. I could still see part of the lamp 467 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:38,119 and see the alien at the same time, again disproportionately large hairless said and 468 00:46:38,199 --> 00:46:43,960 I measured the lamp the head. The top of the head of the being 469 00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:46,599 was no higher than the top of the lamp. Portion of the table lamp 470 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:52,559 which is three and a half feet from the floor, so but in a 471 00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:58,159 crouching position. And what alarmed me about this was I could see the being 472 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,159 so close to me, but I couldn't see it's ants, and it looked 473 00:47:01,159 --> 00:47:07,800 like it's it's arms which were stretched out towards me, particularly toward my head, 474 00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:10,159 and it looked like it has hands behind my head, whether it was 475 00:47:10,199 --> 00:47:16,639 performing some type of operation implantation procedure, or simply laying my head back down 476 00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:21,519 on the pillow after you know, I was returned to my bedroom. I 477 00:47:21,519 --> 00:47:29,760 couldn't tell these meetings with these things, like when you were on that that 478 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:35,239 you have on that craft and one thing or another, there is no way 479 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,440 you've got any resistance against them. You just cannot resist against them, even 480 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:45,880 if you wanted to. It's just not there. The what I like to 481 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:51,079 to report on what people have said their abductees, and I remember there was 482 00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:57,039 one account where the abductee said, you know, this just happens so many 483 00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:00,000 times to me that you know, you just realized there's nothing you can do. 484 00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:05,159 There's absolutely nothing could do with that. What's going to change, that's 485 00:48:05,159 --> 00:48:08,519 going to change, what's going to happen? You know, there's there's no 486 00:48:08,599 --> 00:48:13,679 reason to do anything to try to exist, to resist. This is the 487 00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:19,199 way it is, And why should I. Why should I? Why should 488 00:48:19,199 --> 00:48:25,239 I try to change anything now? Because I never had any confidence from the 489 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,719 beginning that I could I could change the outcome. And you know, I 490 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,719 think of I've thought about this so many times. How during the Betty and 491 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:39,280 Barney Hill of abduction, you know, they were one of the few interracial 492 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:45,559 couples in the in the fifties in America, And that's why Barney carried when 493 00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:50,719 they when they drove together, carried a revolver for their own protection. And 494 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:57,840 when he saw the the UFO that it was hovering so closely above their car, 495 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:02,079 their car installed out and they knew that were abouts. He knew they 496 00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:07,480 were about to be abducted. He had reached open up the glove compartment to 497 00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:10,920 the car, reached for the revolver, grasped it, and then put it 498 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,079 back and close the glove box, because he must eventually realized there was nothing 499 00:49:16,119 --> 00:49:23,440 he could do, even with a firearm, to oppose these technology. Technologically 500 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:31,400 advanced beings might have come from solar system trillions of miles, hundreds of thousands 501 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:36,199 of light years from earth. There's nothing to do. Nothing he could do 502 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,360 too, just go along and hope and hope for the best and and wait 503 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:46,400 it out. And he thought that was the best approach to to ensure that 504 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:52,960 he and Betty would be able to at least survive this particular episode. And 505 00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:57,960 in so many abductees in respond the same way. There's a few that resist, 506 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:05,760 but they're few and far between. From from what I've read, there's 507 00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:13,960 yeah, very few. I know of a couple who. Most abductees or 508 00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:22,280 experiencers forget and they remember under hypnosis. There's a handful that remember all their 509 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:32,039 experiences. The whatever the mind wiping doesn't seem to work on them. Now, 510 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:42,400 have you always dealt with the gray beings or have you also interacted with 511 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,599 other types of beings as well? No, No, only the grays everything, 512 00:50:46,639 --> 00:50:52,559 you know, all the experiences I've had are with the same type of 513 00:50:52,599 --> 00:51:02,440 beings, and they're the gray alien most of the time, though they're white 514 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:09,559 in color, but they have the same anatomical appearance. The only feeling I 515 00:51:09,679 --> 00:51:15,360 had was that the being that might have been pushing me down on the exam 516 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:22,639 table during my first abduction experience, the hand felt so large that I imagine 517 00:51:22,639 --> 00:51:25,800 it might have been one of the taller grays, that maybe the Mantis type, 518 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:30,360 because the hand seemed to be too large to be that, because the 519 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,679 beings that I was looking at we're no taller than I was as a six 520 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,400 year old, so it could have been one of their hands. It had 521 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,800 to have been a larger, taller being that was pushing me back on the 522 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:46,480 exam table. Yet I couldn't see it. It's almost if I as if 523 00:51:46,519 --> 00:51:52,719 I immediately closed my eyes or were starting to drift off into unconsciousness as I 524 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,159 was being pushed down on the exam table, so I could not see that 525 00:51:55,199 --> 00:52:00,440 being. But other than that, I have never seen anything like a uh, 526 00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:06,239 you know, a tall Nordic, a Reptilian, a blue Syrian, 527 00:52:06,519 --> 00:52:15,559 or even even the tranteloid. I think they're called the Mantis type alien beings 528 00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:22,440 that a number of abductees who also see the grays also report seeing. In 529 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:28,880 fact, they sometimes see them together in the same h on board the same 530 00:52:29,159 --> 00:52:36,119 UFO. That that has not been something I've experienced. You know, you 531 00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:44,800 this book came out late last year and you had your first experiences around six 532 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:51,679 years old. How long or when was the last time you had an experience, 533 00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:58,880 your last one. Well, the I've had experiences a number of experiences, 534 00:53:01,199 --> 00:53:05,920 and this is a very common experience of abductees, where you have this 535 00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:13,320 sense of flying. You're suddenly flying over the Earth, and it's exhilarating and 536 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,960 it feels incredibly real. It's if it's a dream, it's like an elucid 537 00:53:17,039 --> 00:53:22,760 dream where you're you know, you're convinced this is really happening. And in 538 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,480 each case, I can remember on either side of me, I see the 539 00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:30,519 same alien beings, and as I talk in the book, a number of 540 00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:35,480 other abductees have had the same type of experience, where but then after regressive 541 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,960 hypnosis, they're able to retrieve the memory that they're actually being floated into a 542 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:45,119 hovering UFO and escorted, if you will, by one or more of these 543 00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:50,920 these gray alien beings. And I've had these experiences, I would say, 544 00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:57,039 into my early adulthood, maybe into my mid twenties. Now after that, 545 00:53:57,119 --> 00:54:01,760 the only experiences I've had is I would wake up, and this has happened 546 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:08,639 to me a number of times, be woken up by what I felt was 547 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:15,000 clearly someone tapping me on my forehead. I could feel the fingers of a 548 00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:20,760 hand tapping on my forehead, waking me up. I discussed this when with 549 00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:30,119 one experiencer also actually happened to be a podcast host who who will imagine that 550 00:54:30,199 --> 00:54:32,719 they were just trying to see if I was okay after perhaps some type of 551 00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:39,519 examine examina exam or some type of experiment experimentation was done on me. They 552 00:54:39,559 --> 00:54:44,840 were trying to make sure that everything was okay at the conclusion of this particular 553 00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:52,079 experimentation. But nothing more concrete than that. In my in my adulthood, 554 00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:59,239 that's that's all I remember. Most of my experiences were in childhood and early 555 00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:07,400 teen years. Do you feel that all of your experiences happened on a physical 556 00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:15,679 level or do you think that some or a percentage of your experiences may have 557 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:23,960 happened as in an either an astral state or out of body experience. The 558 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:32,199 only thing I can I can relate that would connect my experiences to, you 559 00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:37,239 know, our physical reality, something that happened in our physical reality, or 560 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:45,639 the medical the medical effects of these interactions. Like a lot of other abductees, 561 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:52,960 particularly those who have memories of implants, I've had the unexplained nosebleeds or 562 00:55:52,039 --> 00:55:57,239 had a period of missing time. I didn't know what I had done all 563 00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,920 day, and suddenly found myself in the apartment with it unexplained nose bleed, 564 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:08,360 severe nose bleed. UH. Ear nose and throat surgeon who removed my tonsils 565 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:15,719 and adnoids UH tell my father that he had found an unexplained wound or scar 566 00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:20,480 in the throat behind my nasal cavity at the time of the surgery. That 567 00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:24,639 also has been reported by other up up the abductees that have memories both of 568 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:31,239 nasal implants and unexplained nose bleeds. So these physical effects of the interactions I've 569 00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:36,280 had with with the with the Grays lead me to believe this happened in our 570 00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:44,559 our physical reality. Sorry, go ahead. Have you ever had anything like 571 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:52,199 skin scrapings uh? As I described in the book. I have other physical 572 00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:57,000 scars another part of my body, right in my shin below my knee, 573 00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:02,159 my left knee, and it looks like a scoop mark. Yeah, it's 574 00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:07,599 just maybe maybe a centimeter diameter, almost perfectly round, and it looks like 575 00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:14,599 it's it's rather deep. And when I say that, when I say rather 576 00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:20,039 deep, meaning it appears to be that because it's also sensitive to touch that 577 00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:27,920 some of the bone underneath it has been removed. And I have a story 578 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:32,880 and account from an abductee where the abductee had the same scar, the same 579 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:37,679 scoop mark, the same part of their leg and one example by a nurse 580 00:57:37,719 --> 00:57:44,719 said, that looks just like it was from a boone biopsy on the lake 581 00:57:45,039 --> 00:57:51,840 or on the limbs. Yes, they're mainly the legs. I'm very close 582 00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:55,880 to the knees some reason. Yeah, I've heard that several times too. 583 00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,440 Yeah, and I have. I've not been able to find many accounts of 584 00:58:00,679 --> 00:58:07,159 of that's of that scar in that particular place. But but you know, 585 00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:12,440 many people have these scars, they call them scoop marks. But it was 586 00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:20,199 just interesting to find that account that so closely mirrored my own, and so 587 00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:25,159 that that really causes me to speculate that this is this is a phenomenon that's 588 00:58:25,199 --> 00:58:31,280 firm, firmly ground grounded in reality. Although you know, the point you 589 00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:39,960 make mark that is that are capacity to perceive everything that is happening to us 590 00:58:42,159 --> 00:58:47,239 is very limited with respect to our own reality. So in terms of understanding 591 00:58:47,239 --> 00:58:54,800 what's happening when we're interaction, interacting with a cautiousness that's in another part of 592 00:58:54,800 --> 00:59:00,719 the universe, or maybe in another dimension of our own contiguous universe. You 593 00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:07,840 know that maye that certainly has to be even more limited in terms of our 594 00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:14,719 ability to see and and and understand what's what's happening to us, you know, 595 00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:22,480 So I certainly take take your point very well in that regard. Well, 596 00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:27,960 time has been really flying here. So we are coming up on not 597 00:59:28,159 --> 00:59:34,800 just ask one more question absolutely, what do you think, Bruce will come 598 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,320 of all this in the future. Do you think it would be for the 599 00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:45,079 good of mankind or about for the opposite? Well, you you're familiar, 600 00:59:45,679 --> 00:59:50,280 Mark, You're familiar as well with the work of David Jacobs, and I 601 00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:59,760 do discuss his work where he has a less sanguine few of this that where 602 01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:07,760 in the process of being colonized, and that the the reason why genetic material 603 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:13,880 has been taken from up defties is to through a program in vuture fertilization to 604 01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:17,480 create a new species. And what I call they call them, he calls 605 01:00:17,519 --> 01:00:22,239 them hybrids. I call them transgenic humans, human beings that they have alien 606 01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:30,239 DNA or mutated you know, sequences of existing pre existing genes or maybe new 607 01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:36,599 genes that are alien genes integrated into the genome to create a new species that 608 01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:45,000 will be instrumental in the takeover. They they are here already and they're the 609 01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:57,360 vanguard of a uh, what's the what's the word A A A A third 610 01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:02,000 column that's going to be instrumental in takeover of the human race by an advanced 611 01:01:02,679 --> 01:01:07,920 alien civilization. That's one view, now the other The other other view is 612 01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:16,639 that there are high people with high level scientific and high level scientific positions. 613 01:01:16,679 --> 01:01:22,960 One one mentioned is has been head of security for the Israeli Space Agency, 614 01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:32,840 who claim that many countries on Earth have relationship now, with a lack of 615 01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:40,599 a better expression, what is a galactic federation of alien of advanced alien civilizations 616 01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:46,559 that we're now a part of and analogous to the United Nations, And there 617 01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:53,280 and the interactions that have taken place via the abduction program between human beings and 618 01:01:53,800 --> 01:02:00,480 aliens. Is being done to facilitate those interactions so that we can either our 619 01:02:00,519 --> 01:02:07,519 evolution can be accelerated, or we can be given downloads, or perhaps even 620 01:02:07,559 --> 01:02:15,559 having our our genomes genetically altered so that we can interact and communicate with beings 621 01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:21,639 that are part of this part of this federation so that we can join the 622 01:02:21,679 --> 01:02:28,880 cosmic community as as members of this galactic federation. Now, whether or not 623 01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:37,519 there there are adversaries that are opposed to this particular particular federation, I I 624 01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:42,079 don't know, but that would be the more optimistic view that that, you 625 01:02:42,119 --> 01:02:50,039 know, anything that's that's done by the abduction programs is to move us evolutionarily 626 01:02:50,519 --> 01:02:53,760 to the next level so that we can we can be part of the part 627 01:02:53,800 --> 01:03:00,320 of the cosmic community. And so that's that's going to be quite a quantum 628 01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:05,519 leap for Homo sapiens. If that if that that is the case, Uh, 629 01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,400 that's that's going to transpire over the probably over the next generation. Would 630 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:16,079 that's that's the optimistic view, And that's since I'm an optimist, that's that's 631 01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:20,199 the one I like to entertain. That's the one I like as well. 632 01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:29,880 Yes, super no independence day, no no ye. But but but I 633 01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:36,280 want to learn as much. Have as many scientists, uh, top scientists, 634 01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:42,599 multiple multiple disciplines gathered together to study the phenomenon, every aspect of it, 635 01:03:42,639 --> 01:03:45,360 so we can learn as much as possible, even though we hope for 636 01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:50,880 the best, we should I always like to plan for the worst. Well, 637 01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:59,079 it's it's getting especially our American scientists involve a lot of foreign over in 638 01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:03,000 Europe, Asia and even down in Mexico and South America. There's so much 639 01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:08,320 more open to this phenomenon than we are. Mark. That's a major reason 640 01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:13,599 excuse me for interrupting that. I wrote the book to get other scientists, 641 01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,159 particularly those who might be experiencers, to come forward, and that will cause 642 01:04:17,559 --> 01:04:25,360 more members of our American scientific community to view this as a legitimate subject of 643 01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:31,239 investigation, because so few, such a small percentage, are even looking at 644 01:04:31,239 --> 01:04:38,039 it, let alone starting to study it. So again, that's a major 645 01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:42,360 reason why I wrote the book. Fantastic, it's good. Well, your 646 01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:48,880 book is called Dominion Lost a scientist Own Alien Abduction Encounters, And you have 647 01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:55,000 two editions. You have the main edition and then an unabridged edition. And 648 01:04:55,079 --> 01:05:00,599 where can people find your book on Amazon? And the abridged version is it 649 01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:08,320 just almost exclusively contains my abduction experiences where it's not interrupted so much by so 650 01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:13,320 much scientific analysis. But those who are interested in that can look at the 651 01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:18,880 unabridge version. They're both on Amazon under the same title, and one the 652 01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:23,880 unabridged version has a picture of a boy being beamed up by a UFO. 653 01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:30,880 The Abridge version has that. The cover shows that first experience I had being 654 01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:36,760 on the exam table and shows a six year old boy about to receive a 655 01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:42,480 nasal implant from a gray alien. And that's that's the Underbridge version, but 656 01:05:42,519 --> 01:05:46,880 they're both on Amazon. You can just you can type my name Bruce Rappawano 657 01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:51,920 or the title Dominion Lost. Fantastic. Well, Bruce, thank you so 658 01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:58,719 much for coming onto the show. This has been an incredible conversation and I 659 01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:03,000 think we definitely could go a lot longer on this too, so we may 660 01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:06,679 have to have you back here in the near future. That great good idea. 661 01:06:09,159 --> 01:06:11,719 I would love it. And it was great just to meet you and 662 01:06:12,119 --> 01:06:19,519 find out a little bit more about your podcast and your your your individual viewpoints 663 01:06:19,519 --> 01:06:24,639 that of course that you were willing to share with me, because we're all 664 01:06:25,239 --> 01:06:28,320 we're all looking at a little piece of the puzzle, and that's why we 665 01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:32,880 need to talk as much as possible and share our knowledge and information because, 666 01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,559 as you said, Mark, this you know what we know is just a 667 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:44,800 mare tip of the iceberg exactly at best. Well, everyone, thank you 668 01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:49,519 for tuning in to another edition of the Paranormal UK radio show, The Flag 669 01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:57,920 Chip Show here on the Paranormal UK Radio station Slash Network, And as usual, 670 01:06:58,079 --> 01:07:00,320 Irene, where can people find us? No? I know this one, 671 01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,559 I know it. Mark. You can find us everywhere, people, 672 01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:11,440 everywhere, everyone. We will are going to be pushing forward. Irene and 673 01:07:11,519 --> 01:07:15,519 I are going to be doing more shows coming up here soon, so stay 674 01:07:15,559 --> 01:07:19,719 tuned and be good humans. We will talk to you all later. Bye 675 01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:30,119 bye, bye bye