WEBVTT 1 00:00:40.399 --> 00:00:45.320 Hello, and welcome to Open Minds Radio. I am your host, Alejandro 2 00:00:45.759 --> 00:00:54.240 Rojas, and I have my friend who is one of the greatest breakdancers ever 3 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:57.560 to live. I'm not sure if people knew that about you, but this 4 00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:02.880 is my buddy, Jason McClellan. Greeting's good sir. Now i've heard that's 5 00:01:02.880 --> 00:01:07.359 true, is it? You can't believe everything you hear? Oh that damn 6 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:14.640 Internet. And I can't necessarily refute that claim because it's possible that that was 7 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:19.280 true in a previous life. I don't remember. I don't remember any previous 8 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:23.000 lives, so I guess it's a possibility, but I will let you know. 9 00:01:23.120 --> 00:01:26.519 And I guess it's the possibility in this life too, But I don't 10 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:32.319 recall every breakdancing, and I think if I did, it would be lots 11 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:37.560 of bones breaking. So well, I do want to say, you know, 12 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:44.359 that reminds me Merry Christmas to everybody, or happy Holidays and both, 13 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:49.840 or whatever you prefer, but it reminds me of you know, a Christmas 14 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:53.599 song I forgot and I was listening to NPR and they asked this lady what 15 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:57.439 was her favorite Christmas song, and the breakdancing reminds me of you know, 16 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:00.799 back in the day in the eighties when people breakdancing on the street, including 17 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:07.319 my cousins. They were listening to Run DMC and Run DMC has one of 18 00:02:07.359 --> 00:02:14.000 the coolest Christmas songs ever. So I hope everybody has a cool hip hop 19 00:02:14.360 --> 00:02:21.400 Run DMC Christmas. Wow. Yeah, well that's very very nice of you 20 00:02:21.439 --> 00:02:23.680 to wish that for people. That's a high energy Christmas. Yeah, and 21 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:30.520 I hope, you know, people go out to the garage and bust out 22 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:34.360 some cardboard like we did. Used to do it old school style in the 23 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:37.360 eighties. For those of you who didn't live in the eighties, you know, 24 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:40.639 we bust out some big pieces of cardboard. Slap that on the ground 25 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:43.680 on the side of the street. You know, I don't care if you 26 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:49.319 live in the in a suburb in Scottsdale or something, bust out that. 27 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:53.919 If you're in the UK or Australia or wherever, bust out that cardboard, 28 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:58.759 put it in the street, put on some Run DMC. What was the 29 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:04.120 song called Christmas Hollis or something like that, and start rolling and break dancing, 30 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:06.240 and if you're not very good, you know, try it all. 31 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:08.199 You have to do is spin. You can lay down on the ground on 32 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:12.120 your back and you have a buddy grab your foot. You ever done this 33 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:15.080 one? You have a buddy grab your foot and they just run around in 34 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:19.759 circles, so you're kind of doing the spin move and you don't have to 35 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:23.000 be too talented to be able to do that. And you know, you 36 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:28.400 just have a good breakdance Christmas. I hope everybody does that because that's the 37 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:32.680 American way. I'm suspecting you've been paid off by a chiropractor encouraging people to 38 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:38.360 go out and try this. No, I'm just inspired by run DMC and 39 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:43.479 you and your breakdancing skills, and I think everybody needs to have a happy, 40 00:03:44.560 --> 00:03:49.400 you know, hip hop rap American type Christmas, because that reminds me 41 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:53.280 of some good times when I was a kid. So that's why I wish 42 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:58.159 for everybody. You want to give a Christmas wish for everybody? No, 43 00:03:58.159 --> 00:04:02.000 No, I don't what you hate Christmas? I hate Christmas so much? 44 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:06.879 Ba humbug? Oh man, why don't rouge? There's nothing to say other 45 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:14.919 than wishing everybody fantastic holidays. Wow, we wish that. Yeah, good 46 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:18.519 jobs and going beyond that. I hope everybody sees a UFO on Christmas. 47 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:23.079 That would be amazing, that would be great. What about this? What's 48 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:30.319 your favorite Christmas song? My favorite Christmas song? And so La La Christmas? 49 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:31.920 I like that that John lenn One. I don't know. I think 50 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:38.319 right now at Christmas songs because I just had to sit in the car and 51 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:42.000 listen to you singing Christmas songs. So that's true. I'm trying to get 52 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:45.920 them out of my mind. Have a hollid, jolly Christmas or one of 53 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:49.800 my favorite tickets. Sick in my head. It's the most wonderful time of 54 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:56.600 thear What about any of those, any of those your favorites? I know 55 00:04:56.839 --> 00:05:01.519 there all whatever song I'm Christmas song I'm singing that's your face. No, 56 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:05.120 I'm sorry. I gotta warn you though, I'm gonna learn the words to 57 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:09.720 run DMC Christmas. I'm gonna be wrapping that all day tomorrow. Might do 58 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:14.160 some breakdancing. I am not coming into work tomorrow. Okay, you've been 59 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:18.920 forewarned. All right. Our guest for this evening I want to talk about 60 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:25.040 a little bit and this is a really cool guy. Okay. Our guest 61 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:30.560 today is named Damian Lopez. And this is kind of cool. This is 62 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:33.439 a little different. He is doing this thing called tell Me a Story. 63 00:05:33.839 --> 00:05:40.959 It's a Kickstarter that he started. It's this interactive sci fi kind of experience. 64 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:44.920 What I like about it is, you know, comics have kind of 65 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:50.920 gone online where you can read like Garfield type of stuff or whatever online. 66 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:55.959 But it's kind of images online, which is cool because art work's beautiful and 67 00:05:56.040 --> 00:06:00.680 everything. But what he's done is taking this a step further and integrated videos 68 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:05.079 and things like that and Choose your Own Adventures. So I don't know about 69 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:08.439 you guys, but I don't know about you JC. You probably did this. 70 00:06:08.519 --> 00:06:12.240 Choose your Own Adventures were really fun books. Yes, Choose your Adventures 71 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:15.279 awesome. You know I had this big boot one too. I used to 72 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:17.480 dream about all the time, coming around the corner and seeing a yetty. 73 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:23.399 It was a really cool one when I was a kid. But this is 74 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:27.279 kind of choose your own adventure online, where you know, you play these 75 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:31.759 videos in whichever way you choose. You go into these different worlds done by 76 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:36.160 different artists and have different experiences. So it's really cool. And he emailed 77 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:39.120 us and he said, you know, I'd like to talk about it, 78 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:42.920 So I said, I figured, what the heck because I love this artwork 79 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:47.800 and stuff too. And he says he's really inspired. He's really inspired by 80 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:54.680 stories of UFOs and aliens and his interest in UFOs and everything and cases like 81 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:57.319 you know, Whitley Streever and Betty even Barney Hill and stuff like that. 82 00:06:57.720 --> 00:07:03.079 So we're talking to him about this project and what inspired him and how he 83 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:06.399 got into UFOs and things like that. And I think it's interesting because, 84 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:11.480 you know, we talked a lot about UFOs and aliens getting into pop culture 85 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:15.879 and this is an example. Hopefully this does well for him and this is 86 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:18.959 the beginning to have something big and new. But talk to him about what 87 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:24.800 really inspired him, you know, to integrate UFOs and aliens and everything into 88 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:28.360 it, and why he feels, you know, that all of this is 89 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:31.639 important. So it's a lot of fun. So we'll be talking to him 90 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:36.519 in a minute. But before we do that, as usual, Jason and 91 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:43.079 I like to talk about our favorite news stories of the week, and mister 92 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:48.519 Jason McClelland, what was your favorite UFO news story? Well, Alejandro, 93 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:51.720 I'm gonna have to go with something. I don't know if this is necessarily 94 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:58.720 my favorite story of the week, but I do enjoy Over the past few 95 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:05.319 years, we get we've had some interesting descriptions of UFOs, and I'm always 96 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:11.639 kind of amused when when there's a new new description for a ufo. You 97 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:16.639 know, we hear a lot about disc UFOs and cigar UFOs and fireball UFOs, 98 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:20.319 and I think, uh, maybe a year ago, I think it 99 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:24.160 was in England, it was something like I think it was like a hamburger 100 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:30.759 ufo, shark ufo, dorito. So last week we had a story to 101 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:35.600 come out about a black blob ufo and number one that's just fun to say 102 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:39.559 black blob, but a black blob ufo, that's an interesting photo. Photo 103 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:46.120 was taken in a town of Ellensburg, Washington, State of Washington on Tuesday 104 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:50.879 last week, and the witness described it saying that it expanded and contracted like 105 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:54.000 some kind of jagged geometric puffer fish. Not the great, great description, 106 00:08:54.440 --> 00:09:01.279 sounds pretty exciting. The witness sent this photo to local paper Daily and she 107 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:05.519 and her husband thought and said that it was. They estimated it was flying 108 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:07.759 at approximately a thousand feet in the sky. They watched it, took a 109 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:11.519 few pictures of it, and they got good pictures of it, which is 110 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:18.039 unusual. It was great to see and we're able to zoom in and get 111 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:20.759 quite a bit of detail on this object. And yeah, it is crazy 112 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:26.080 looking, all jagged, and it's a very good description, like a puffer 113 00:09:26.120 --> 00:09:31.000 fish. But looking at this, Salojandro, I would say that to me, 114 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:35.799 it looks like and to others it looks like a bunch of black garbage 115 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:43.799 bags tied together and either filled with helium themselves or filled with balloons, helium 116 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:48.600 filled balloons on these bags, just kind of drifting through the sky. So 117 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:50.960 this was a really interesting setting, a really interesting photo. But thanks to 118 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:58.000 the detailed photo can look at this. It's on our website And I don't 119 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:00.360 know, I'd like to hear what other people think, but I I think 120 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:03.799 it looks like a bunch of garbage bags. Yeah, I mean, I 121 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:07.840 think it's a weird looking picture. It's kind of striking and that's what makes 122 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:11.480 it really fun. But when you blow it up, luckily it's it's a 123 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:16.000 pretty good resolution picture. But when you blow it up, it does look 124 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:20.200 like a bunch of garbage bags. And if so, which I'm sure it 125 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:24.000 is, actually it must be huge because I would estimate, let's say, 126 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:28.799 one, two, three, four, five, six, like seven garbage 127 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:31.399 bags in length, and these black garbage bags, of course, are pretty 128 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:35.960 big, so this thing has to be really big. So I'm sure it 129 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:41.879 was pretty startling when they saw it. Why they might have done this with 130 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:45.279 garbage bags, I don't know. You had a couple ideas well. I 131 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:50.639 think the paper did a good job. They contacted local colleges and stuff to 132 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:54.120 see if anybody was doing like science experiment or something like that, because that 133 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:58.559 would make sense. I guess, yeah, those experiments a lot of some 134 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:03.720 weird things in the sky exactly, but on the lines of what a student 135 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:07.000 project would do. But from what they were able to determine, nobody was 136 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:11.919 doing any sort of experiments like that at the time, so I don't think 137 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:16.600 anybody's come forward with this, no explanation, no group losing a bunch of 138 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:20.759 garbage bags. And the only thing I could think of was, you know, 139 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:26.360 if there was a celebration of sorts that planned to release helium balloons into 140 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:28.840 the sky as part of the celebration, which I don't condone. That's terrible 141 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:35.039 for the environment and poor animals choke on these things. But if they were 142 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:37.519 to do that, it would make sense to have them puffed up and stored 143 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:43.200 in big bags before they were to release them, and then all the bags 144 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:48.840 would be tied together and then that got away. That's one theory. If 145 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:52.480 that did happen, that's kind of funny. But that is certainly at least 146 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:58.480 some sort of possible explanation for why whoever launched these garbage bags. Or maybe 147 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:03.600 they would just wanted to build this huge floating thing for fun. Maybe they 148 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:09.320 even wanted to spur you know, UFO sidings. Who knows, but yeah, 149 00:12:09.399 --> 00:12:13.360 it makes for a very interesting picture. It does. It's not something 150 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:16.879 you see every day in the sky. It looks really bizarre, and again 151 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:20.200 we have no idea what it is. It's just a possibility that it could 152 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:22.759 be bags tied together because that's what it looks like. Thanks to the picture. 153 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:28.679 We can make that guess based on its appearance because of this detailed photo, 154 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:33.039 but we don't know. Yeah, and that's what makes it fun. 155 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:37.080 Yeah, and I really want to think Coast to Coast who posted it our 156 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:43.279 link our art story on this, which is really cool, and they've posted 157 00:12:43.559 --> 00:12:48.120 another couple recently, so we really appreciate that, so just want to say 158 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:52.799 thank you to Coast to Coast. AM definitely got Alejandro. What's your story? 159 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:56.559 I have a hunch I know its story is yours, but I want 160 00:12:56.559 --> 00:13:01.720 to tell your guests, Oh I would. I guess you're going to talk 161 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:09.440 about something politics related. You are correct, because I'm really into politics and 162 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:13.240 stuff. I do want to mention though, to thank also Ben Hansen, 163 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:16.559 who sent us this video that we got, you know, while we were 164 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:20.600 all at this SkyWatch nearby in Phoenix with the Phoenix move on. You can 165 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:24.519 read about that that turned out to be satellites, but it's still a really 166 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:28.480 interesting story. However, Yes, I want to talk about John Podesta, 167 00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:37.840 who was Bill Clinton's chief of staff and he helped with the Obama transition into 168 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:41.799 office in two thousand and eight. And we've written about him before because it's 169 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:48.639 an exciting thing about him is that he has been a UFO advocate and a 170 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:52.240 sci fi buff and he was really into the X Files. He made some 171 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:56.600 news while he was working for Clinton when he had an X Files themed birthday 172 00:13:56.679 --> 00:14:07.519 party. And he also then had been part of this press conference that Lynn 173 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:11.159 Or that Leslie Kane had put together in two thousand and two as part of 174 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:15.279 a Coalition for the Freedom of Information. This is when she began working for 175 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:20.360 NASA with NASA to get the Kexburg files released and stuff like that. But 176 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:26.240 she had a kickoff sort of a press conference with a sci fi channel and 177 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:31.919 John Podesta was there and he pretty much, you know, said very clearly 178 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:35.000 that I think the government needs to release all the information it has on UFOs. 179 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:41.120 So that was really cool. And he's just someone who's really into the 180 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:46.240 topic. He's written like a preface for Leslie Kane about her book, and 181 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:52.600 he's been supported supportive of her work all along. So now he is going 182 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:58.799 to be an advisor for Obama. He's one of the official named advisors that 183 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:05.559 has come on board at the White House. And hopefully it's exciting because he's 184 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:11.559 a UFO enthusiast. And it's one cool thing too about this is at least 185 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:16.200 Spiegel wrote a story on this for the Huffington Post and that's gone somewhat viral. 186 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:18.399 Some of the bigger news sources pick this up. So it lends for 187 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:24.360 the chance on him making a comment about UFOs, or maybe even Obama being 188 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:28.320 pressed to do so. More because Obama's done so recently, even talking about 189 00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:33.279 Area fifty one kind of in a joking manner. Some people feel that hopefully 190 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:39.120 this will kind of be the impetus for some sort of UFO disclosure. I'm 191 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:43.720 not so sure about that, because, of course Clinton was interested in UFOs, 192 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:48.480 and Clinton did look into UFOs, but of course we never had any 193 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:54.919 major disclosure happen then, and this president does not seem to be interested in 194 00:15:54.039 --> 00:16:00.320 UFOs except for the comedy that it provides. Looked about it a few times, 195 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:04.399 so beyond making some opportunities to make a few more jokes, I don't 196 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:12.080 think Obama's necessarily keen to release any big secrets or anything, but it may, 197 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:17.799 you know, make more conversation about the topic. Right We can certainly 198 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:21.559 hope for that, you know, it's it's certainly better to have somebody like 199 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:26.080 this right has has Obama's ear, somebody who's you know, a friend to 200 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:29.279 the topic. But again, all it feels like deja vuh. We've been 201 00:16:29.279 --> 00:16:36.200 done this for before. Advocates disclosure, advocates disclosure hopefuls. I guess you 202 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:41.639 know we're we're raising this issue back when he was helping Obama transition into the 203 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:44.759 White House. You know, they thought, oh, look, Podessa's there. 204 00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:47.720 It means Obama's going to be the disclosure president. Here we go. 205 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:52.759 Nothing seemed to come of that, right if this time around something something more 206 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:56.279 happens, But we've been here before. Yeah, and good point. And 207 00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:00.159 not only that, you know, people jump to because there's already been some 208 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:04.400 people that this definitely means there's going to be disclosure. Certainly does not definitely 209 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:08.720 mean anything, but it's a good thing. It is a good thing. 210 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:14.480 And yeah, he's forward to to Lesli Kayane's book UFO's General Pilots and government 211 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:17.160 officials go on the record. It's an interesting forward. So it's a good 212 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:21.480 read. And yeah, no, it's definitely a plus having him in that 213 00:17:21.559 --> 00:17:25.240 position, right, yep, So pretty cool stuff. So you were correct, 214 00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:30.559 that is my new story for the week. Yes, all right, 215 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:36.079 So without further Ado, let's go ahead and talk to Damian Lopez. I 216 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:40.720 am really happy to have with me Damian Lopez. Hello, Damien, Hi, 217 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:44.000 how's it going good? Good? So I'm glad you got a hold 218 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:47.000 of me because you have this really cool project going on. This tell me 219 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:52.079 a story and it's a kickstarter for something new and innovative you're trying to do 220 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:59.559 kind of in the world of comics. Yes, yes, thank you very 221 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:07.319 much. Yeah, it's this project. It's an interactive animated online comic that 222 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:15.039 will put the reader in the role of the central character who inhabits this bizarre 223 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:22.279 alternate universe that's inhabited by a variety of aliens. Now and to kind of 224 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:26.160 get an idea of how it works that people like now, you know, 225 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:33.519 people more and more are going online to read comics, and you know they 226 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:37.440 see the panel of the artwork, but this is going to have the panels 227 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:41.359 along with And you've got some examples here on your Kickstarter where you can push 228 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:45.279 some portions that will have a video, and the videos are kind of in 229 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:52.240 different format like than people are used to, which makes it a lot of 230 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:56.200 fun. And then eventually they'll also run across periods or portions of the story 231 00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:00.920 where they'll kind of be able to choose their own adventure. They click whether 232 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:04.519 they want to go this worry or that way. Right, that's exactly right. 233 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:10.839 So if you think about it as your standard sort of a third person 234 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:17.400 open world format game like a Skyrim or a GTA or mas Effects, which 235 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:22.279 the math effects series are very influential in the later development of this project. 236 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:30.319 You will control the movements of the character within the different environments, and within 237 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:37.079 those environments they will be particularly right now characters to interact with, and as 238 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:41.960 you interact with them, you will explore all these creatures, the where they 239 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:45.960 interact, the way they communicate us through memories and thought and imagery. So 240 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:49.960 when you interact with them, you're interacting within a memory that you're experiencing, 241 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:55.480 either something from their past or something a shared moment that you experienced. And 242 00:19:55.559 --> 00:20:00.680 those stories will be told in a comic, mostly comic format in that we 243 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:04.720 will have the traditional broken up panels, but we will also have animated panels 244 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:08.519 seamlessly integrated, so it's not going to be like a video link that you 245 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:15.480 click and go to YouTube. You'll see animated leap sequences right there within the 246 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:18.640 main page. And then to add another the other level on top of that, 247 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:25.640 true an adventure level is within those comics, there will be some points 248 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:30.839 where you'll have ulternate options that will diverge, you know, create diverse stories 249 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:34.680 a little bit uh and also as far as who you're interact with before you 250 00:20:34.839 --> 00:20:40.000 enter the comics, when you're in the main sort of map area. You 251 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:44.640 know, who you interact with, who's who you developed relationships with, that 252 00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:48.119 sort of thing. Cool. So, and it also looks like there's a 253 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:52.960 lot of artists involved, so they people won't be experiencing just one person to 254 00:20:53.079 --> 00:20:59.720 art, but lots of different styles. Correct. One of the aspects of 255 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:06.119 this is one of the aspects of this project is that and it's it kind 256 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:15.559 of comes together with with my research of the UFO and contacting phenomenon in and 257 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:22.720 of itself that I'll just go on that for a moment. Many people experience 258 00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:26.799 many different things. The experiences can be anything from a complete you know, 259 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:33.640 fantasy, you know, where they're just everything is completely allegorical, to something 260 00:21:33.759 --> 00:21:37.160 very real and concrete where you know, it's like it's almost as if it's 261 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:42.200 mundane. The experience can almost be described as mundane. So in that regard, 262 00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:48.599 in trying to bring sort of that element of my interest and that and 263 00:21:49.039 --> 00:21:55.400 that aspect of the experience, I wanted to bring in other voices, other 264 00:21:55.440 --> 00:22:00.720 creative voices, to lend their their talents so that the reader can have, 265 00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:07.759 you know, can have that extra sort of incentive, that extra sort of 266 00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:15.559 interest in where the story develops because they can follow certain artists or particular characters 267 00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:18.960 maybe linked to a particular artists, or that they'll just get to see the 268 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:23.480 same character in a new style, in a new in a new way. 269 00:22:23.599 --> 00:22:27.559 You know, even the design of the character is less very ambiguous, so 270 00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:34.200 that the reader ends whatever creator signs on is able to add their own sort 271 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:37.880 of their own self, their own element of themselves. Not that it's a 272 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:42.920 rigid thing that everyone has to work within my style. You know that this 273 00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:48.960 project is very much not about it being my story, you know it is, 274 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:52.039 but I very much am planning on and would like to see this grow 275 00:22:52.119 --> 00:22:59.759 to a point where fans can contribute stories that are accessible, you know, 276 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:04.519 for become part of the overall experience. Yeah, which is really cool because 277 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:11.880 it just seems so expandable that you can have just tons of different stories. 278 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:17.960 I mean, it could go on forever essentially. That's that's you know that 279 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:21.440 right now would be a dream. You know, maybe it be a monster 280 00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:23.640 reality, but as of right now, like that, that to me is 281 00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:30.640 the goal. Where you know, it's not just you're picking up a book 282 00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:33.960 to read it or a comic to read it. You're engaging in an experience, 283 00:23:34.039 --> 00:23:40.720 you're engaging in other people's active creation. You're creating yourself by choosing which 284 00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:48.119 stories you decide to are taken. And uh yeah, so yeah, what 285 00:23:48.200 --> 00:23:52.240 else is I think kind of cool is that it's just which is always exciting. 286 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:59.599 It's it feels like you know, comics of course, have that we 287 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:03.039 see on nine have come from the kind of the two D world, and 288 00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:10.759 they've kind of reproduced the two dimensional onto just some websites with their art and 289 00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:15.799 everything. But this is kind of utilizing all of the technology that your computer 290 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:21.359 or that the web offers to incorporate it and to take it all kind of 291 00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:25.680 to a new level. Thank you. I'm glad that's coming through. That's 292 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:29.839 definitely been a goal, you know, like you say, I've seen you 293 00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:34.039 know already some some of the bigger publishers are getting into doing motion comics what 294 00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:38.279 they call motion comics, and you know, they're they're just that it's like 295 00:24:38.359 --> 00:24:45.119 the cutout of their drawing character doing a zoom or enlarging to make it look 296 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:49.359 like it's coming at you. I saw one where like they built all these 297 00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:53.240 CG models for the characters and then animated them as if they were you know, 298 00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:59.640 robots, so and it just never felt like they were utilizing the technology 299 00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:06.880 that says they level. I really wanted to make it feel like a complete 300 00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:11.960 experience, and so I've really taken a lot of time to kind of find 301 00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:18.480 process and programs that can work, which is sort of ironic because I'm not 302 00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:23.400 even that technically technologically inclined, and I definitely need the assistance of more and 303 00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:29.519 more developed people, you know, but also you know, so so like 304 00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:37.000 staying on top of what is actually people are using and what people are you 305 00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:41.640 know, creating, Like I had not heard of HTML five, so maybe 306 00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:45.319 like a year or two ago, and prior to that, I just figured 307 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:48.279 this whole thing was going to happen in flash, and I was teaching myself 308 00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:52.880 to work in flash. Once I heard of HTML five and so a HTML 309 00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:57.279 five could do, I knew that that was that would be the way to 310 00:25:57.359 --> 00:26:03.799 bring everything together, because even last had implementations. But thankfully, with with 311 00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:07.599 an HTMO five programmer, I'm able to you know, really bring together all 312 00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:14.880 these elements. Yeah. Really cool. And so then getting into uh, 313 00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:22.240 some of this is propelled by your UFO and and alien interest and is it 314 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:30.799 story or mostly characters that are are driven by by what you've learned looking into 315 00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:40.480 UFO material. It's it's particularly characters, I definitely. I I've had an 316 00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:44.319 interest in you know, UFOs and aliens since I was a little kid, 317 00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:48.519 you know, those things them and dinosaurs. I mean, what was a 318 00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:52.160 little kids mind bore, you know, but it was always just kind of 319 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:55.839 like on the peripherrea. As I've gotten older and I've studied, study up 320 00:26:55.839 --> 00:26:57.920 on it more and been more about cases and and you know, the science 321 00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:03.079 itself has even and expanded, you know, I've I've come to appreciate more 322 00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:10.440 of the personal stories of people's experiences, you know, with with actual beings 323 00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:17.240 and uh and the richness in the diversity of the experiences that that that entails, 324 00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:21.960 you know, the complete heart of some people's experiences to you know, 325 00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:27.200 absolute ecstasy in others. And and through it all there's this I found, 326 00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:33.400 you know, this underlying theme that these are whatever is happening, whatever's out 327 00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:37.440 there. You know, these are beings with with the motivations, with drives, 328 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:42.599 with impulses that they're not the cartoons that are more often than not represented 329 00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:48.880 on in popular media. So it was important for me to represent that aspect 330 00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:57.680 of the UFO of Alien field study, whatever you want to call it, 331 00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:03.119 because it's just it's under underplayed more often than not. Anien, you know, 332 00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:07.400 an aliens in a comic or a cartoon or anything. They're you know, 333 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:10.960 here to kill us or take our women, or you know knows what 334 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:15.680 else. They're simple, they're they're basic, and you know that speaks to 335 00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:18.000 certain things about us. But I think that there's a lot more that we 336 00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:25.079 can experience. Also by making all the characters aliens, I saw it as 337 00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:30.839 an opportunity to kind of create a broader reflection of ourselves. Many of the 338 00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:34.240 concept designs for the Creek for the Aliens, uh not only are based on 339 00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:41.000 characteristics that are described by contact these but also dress them up in different outfits 340 00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:45.519 from around the world, from around the globe to represent that they have cultures 341 00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:51.920 that they have they have lives that they have stories to tell. They're not 342 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:56.720 just these naked, big guy, big headed things that you know, we 343 00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:00.759 can't understand at all. That there is some common ground, uh, that 344 00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:04.799 there is some universality mm hmm. And so and you even talk about this 345 00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:10.640 and here that on the Kickstarter that these creatures are kind of modeled after the 346 00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:18.480 Grays and they but that, as you mentioned, they all have different motivations 347 00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:23.759 that are very different cultures, different fashion just like on the planet, just 348 00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:27.400 like you're kind of mentioning here, so you're bringing in which I think is 349 00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:33.680 also yeah, pretty cool. Uh, all of the different complexities, like 350 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:37.960 you said, that are seen in the in the UFO material. Yeah, 351 00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:44.000 it's just it's something that, you know, especially having done the research, 352 00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:47.839 it's kind of like anything else to Pandora's box. Once you once you open 353 00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:51.240 it up and you really see kind of what's what's going on, there's almost 354 00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:56.799 too much to handle, you know. It's in that way, it's understandable 355 00:29:56.839 --> 00:29:59.319 that people keep it very much at an arm's length, and it's like, 356 00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:02.720 you know, it's you Steve Heer to just think they're here to just cut 357 00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:06.880 out of organs or something. But you know, it's it's so much more 358 00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:11.519 interesting, so much richer, so much you know, more frightening and up 359 00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:17.000 lifting than any of that, even if you wanted to take it as source 360 00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:19.759 material. I presented it to some of the members of my team who are 361 00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:26.160 not as ad into yourphology as I am, and just looking at it at 362 00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:30.759 a glance there, their imaginations began just boiling over. So to me, 363 00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:33.759 it's almost like even from that perspective, you know, you don't want to 364 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:37.680 take it seriously, you just want to market it. Why just reserve it 365 00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:41.000 to you know, they're here to blow up the planet. There's so much 366 00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:47.440 more you can do. Mm hmm. So with you, when you first 367 00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:51.680 got into all of this, did you how did that come about? So 368 00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:53.759 you were a kid you always kind of had an interest, and then did 369 00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:59.640 you start reading books and stuff like that? When I was a kid, 370 00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:03.599 if I read, most of my readings then had more to do with the 371 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:10.960 particular monsters like Lockness or a bigfoot, or or mythical creatures. I really 372 00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:14.319 when it when when I was a kid, I my study was pretty much 373 00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:19.880 restricted to sightings and unsolved mysteries and you know those kind of TV shows, 374 00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:25.240 uh, some stuff. When when I find when I when I had the 375 00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:29.920 Internet and it first came out, occasionally I would check out a UFO site. 376 00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:33.880 It wasn't until later on when I was at the very early stages of 377 00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:37.519 developing this concept. And you know, I had always had an interest in 378 00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:41.720 sci fi and I wanted to do I was like, I want to do 379 00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:45.079 a story about aliens, but I don't want to just make them people dressed 380 00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:48.960 like aliens, and I don't want to just make them, you know, 381 00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:53.960 Hollywood aliens. So I went back and and I went back to you know, 382 00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:57.000 the old the old stuff, the stuff that helped my interest as a 383 00:31:57.200 --> 00:32:00.799 kid, and really started looking into it. Uh. So I started reading 384 00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:07.640 some of the books and about the cases like Betty and Barney Hill. Is 385 00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:12.200 it Hill? I believe, yeah, right, that case, and uh, 386 00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:16.359 you know, like I uh, John Mack and David Dick the Disclosure 387 00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:23.000 Project was a huge just sort of aha moment with their presidential briefing. It 388 00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:30.960 was amazingly dry, but amazingly amazing. Jim Marr's book Alien Agenda just like 389 00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:35.720 had a huge, you know, bank of information for me to just kind 390 00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:42.160 of go off of and whitby striver. I remember. Actually that was sort 391 00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:49.119 of a double hit because Communion was the first movie I saw that took alien 392 00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:51.960 Tree Alien to the serious light. You know, I was very young. 393 00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:57.200 It was also the first movie I saw with Christopher Walking and so in love 394 00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:01.880 with him, yeah, husband forever and up with him since then. So, 395 00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:06.880 and have you ever had your own sighting. Uh. You know, 396 00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:13.240 I I've seen a couple of things that were odd, but nothing that I 397 00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:17.039 could would ever honestly say like that was definitely that There are definitely a couple 398 00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:22.519 of moments I saw something moving in a in a you know, a straight 399 00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:28.039 line, but in a strange direction against the wind and blowing weirdly and not 400 00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:31.640 making it sound you know, it didn't dig zag or anything. So it's 401 00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:37.759 hard for me to say one hundred, you know, but I I don't 402 00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:40.880 know, anything's possible. That's kind of the craziest thing too, is that 403 00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:45.559 from reading some of this stuff, from what some people say, it's like 404 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:51.319 we could all be visited regularly and not even have a clue. And that's 405 00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:58.720 really interesting to think about. Right. So when it comes to some of 406 00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:04.000 these stories, uh, you know, as you talked about some of the 407 00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:07.880 angles that some of the researchers take, is everything's really positive. Others say 408 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:15.400 everything's really negative. But you're kind of representing at least in your stories, 409 00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:17.519 And do you feel it's kind of all of the aboves, like there could 410 00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:25.519 be some good some bad. I think I when I when I try to 411 00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:30.000 think of it, I try to think of it from a scientific perspective as 412 00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:34.239 much as you know, for the amateur scientists that I you know, quote 413 00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:38.280 unquote name uh and and and I look to people who approach it from a 414 00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:45.119 more scientific perspective, So like people like Stanton Friedman, you know, and 415 00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:49.519 I can't remember his name right now, but the gentleman who really pushes exo 416 00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:54.239 biology, you know, and and basically you know their positions that these are 417 00:34:54.320 --> 00:35:00.840 these are just cultures. These are just creatures with different cultures, uh and 418 00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:04.480 And in that regard, there will be some who are one hundred percent in 419 00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:07.679 line and some who are not. There will be some cultures that are more 420 00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:13.480 interested in personal development, there will be others who are more interested in technological 421 00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:19.599 development. And so you know, if anything, that would be what I 422 00:35:19.639 --> 00:35:23.239 would want to bring into my story, to bring into my characters, is 423 00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:29.800 that, like anyone else anywhere else, that you'll find you know, these 424 00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:35.719 are creatures like you and me that want one thing or don't want something else. 425 00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.119 And you know, they're they're just driven, like all life is to 426 00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:44.519 do one thing or another, you know. But and there's a complexity, 427 00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:49.079 there's a there's a past, there's a history. So yeah, I I 428 00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:55.360 you know, it's the fantastic aspects, a lot of the you know, 429 00:35:55.719 --> 00:36:01.679 the future technologies, these the things that are beyond belief. I hope to 430 00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:07.920 represent some of those in very mundane ways in this story, present them almost 431 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:13.599 in very matter of fact concepts, because that's the world that these creatures are 432 00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:17.880 used to. The part that I want to be sort of the opening part, 433 00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:23.079 the expanding part, is the part where these creatures as if their actual 434 00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:29.599 characters, as if their actual beings. What's fun about that too, is 435 00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:35.360 where you mentioned kind of mundane I think is at least maybe story wise, 436 00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:39.119 you see it as simple or something, but the artwork is so complex and 437 00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:46.960 it's so like mysterious, you know, it adds to it adds a lot 438 00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:54.599 of complexity on its own, I think in mystery and that the work artwork 439 00:36:54.679 --> 00:37:00.320 is busy and kind of like so the things seem so large in that there's 440 00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:06.760 a lot going on and in the distance going off, So it fills, 441 00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:10.840 you know, like an air of real mystery and complexity, and that's what 442 00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:15.719 makes a lot of fun too. Cool. Great, I'm glad that's all 443 00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:19.519 excellent. That's exactly where I was going for. You know, again, 444 00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:25.159 in reading some of these accounts and trying to conceive of, you know, 445 00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:30.079 a rationale for them, for lack of a better word, you know, 446 00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:36.599 going back to the hillcase when one of the things that struck me and still 447 00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:42.079 you know, is very powerful for me, is that he recalled being asked 448 00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:45.880 by one of the creatures what is time? They show draw a watch, 449 00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:46.719 they were like, what is this? If you like to watch? It's 450 00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:50.400 for telling time? Like what is time? And to me, it's like, 451 00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:53.639 you know, what what would that be like to not have a concept 452 00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:57.719 of time? And you think about that, and of course, you know, 453 00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:00.800 they're laughed at because it seems like such a basic one for us. 454 00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:04.039 And then you find out that, you know, science is saying that, 455 00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:08.360 hey, outside of Earth's atmosphere, time reacts differently. So what what would 456 00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:13.159 it be like? How how does one lose the concept of of one moment 457 00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:16.599 to another? And in that by thinking of that, by by trying to 458 00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:22.079 kind of deconstruct that that moment, that notion h came up, came to 459 00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:27.280 this point where I created this universe, this fractal verse as I call it, 460 00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:31.440 where these being escaped to and now lives, which is you know, 461 00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:37.960 beyond any you know the known realities. It's it's kind of like the it's 462 00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:43.280 it's inception of all realities and that they are they are there, they're outside 463 00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:51.559 of anything that any thing experiences. So they see dimensions you know, birth 464 00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:57.760 and die before their very eyes. Uh, therefore losing any concept of what 465 00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:06.079 a moment is like mm hmm. When with your your what you're working on 466 00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:14.400 now? Is there like a storyline? So as the viewer interacting out kind 467 00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:22.000 of what is the initial storyline the overall well, the initial storyline is that 468 00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:27.280 you are you are about to leave the fractal verse. This is the moments 469 00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:32.639 before you're about to leave. And at first you will be presented with You'll 470 00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:38.199 see two characters who are there to basically say goodbye, and you will engage 471 00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:43.679 with them. And depending on those choices from the very beginning, that will 472 00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:49.280 dictate which characters you will be exposed to and what relationships you'll be able to 473 00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:58.920 develop from there, and then the story will progress through the readers exploring of 474 00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:02.599 their memories with other characters. So you know, in that so and that's 475 00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:07.280 why another reason to create this sort of expandable universe, I decided to use 476 00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:13.480 this tell this part of the story in the past through memories, you know, 477 00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:16.079 because that way you can pass someone at one moment and maybe then talk 478 00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:19.199 to them another and then, you know, it kind of makes for a 479 00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:23.039 great sort of device to then explore that relationship because you remember at a different 480 00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:27.519 time you did go and talk to them or something like that. So as 481 00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:32.719 you're exploring all these relationships and interacting with these beings, they will reappear at 482 00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:37.440 the in the present, and when they're there in the present, you'll also 483 00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:44.280 have you'll then have an opportunity to continue exploring more memories with those different memories, 484 00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:50.559 different stories with those beings, and all of this is the main storyline, 485 00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:55.519 is that you are exposing the readers, exposing what the character has learned 486 00:40:55.559 --> 00:41:00.519 about their past. You are not like the other creature in this universe. 487 00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:05.679 You are different from the rest of them. You are unique. You have 488 00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:09.639 a connection to their past, and the reader does not know that from the 489 00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:15.239 beginning. So that's the purpose of going back and exploring these relationships to kind 490 00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:20.519 of discover what brought you to this point where you're about to leave, and 491 00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:25.440 then hopefully once if you know, crowdfund, we get this first part funded. 492 00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:30.679 The second part, we'll see the reader take their character outside of the 493 00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:36.400 fractal verse and begin exploring actual dimensions. And there we'll really get to expand 494 00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:42.159 the story in the universe, where I hope to have parallel storylines running based 495 00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:47.760 on reader's choices. Well cool, And so you have a Kickstarter to get 496 00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:52.840 this first part done, and it's doing seems to be doing pretty well so 497 00:41:52.000 --> 00:42:00.119 far. Yeah, we've definitely got some good supporters, you know. It's 498 00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:04.639 uh, it's hard to tell. It's my first kickstarter, so to me, 499 00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:07.599 it's just I just see the kind of the clock ticking, you know. 500 00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:12.239 We definitely, we definitely could use some more and some more support, 501 00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:17.239 uh people, you know, spreading the word all that helps, you know. 502 00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:22.320 But yeah, it's definitely been very pleased, uh and and and touched 503 00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:27.280 by by some of the donations from people. And I've gotten a lot of 504 00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:31.199 support from from my friends and family so far. So so it looks like 505 00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:36.679 you're about not quite a quarter of the way, about a fifth of the 506 00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:42.800 way, but you still have twenty two days to go. And yeah, 507 00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:47.239 I'm yeah, and in that excuse me, in that time, I'm planning 508 00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:53.119 some in store appearances. I'm here local in Portland. I'm also going to 509 00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:57.119 be flying into New York for a couple of weeks to visit friends and family, 510 00:42:57.480 --> 00:43:01.239 so I'm making plans for instore appearances there to help promote it. There's 511 00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:07.199 also a word from excuse me. I'm putting together a party. It's a 512 00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:09.559 little close, it's cutting a little close. But January third, if you're 513 00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:15.440 in Portland, come to the Analog Cafe seven twenty southeast Hawthorn and we'll have 514 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:20.440 a Kickstarter promotion party there. It's gonna be it's gonna be art, animation, 515 00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:24.519 special prizes for people who become backers on the scene, will have entertainer, 516 00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:29.679 entertainers and everything, so it'll be cool cool. And then what are 517 00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:37.239 some of the pledge levels and what the sledge yet? Yeah, you know, 518 00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:40.440 I remember a few of them. I don't always remember all the pledge 519 00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:44.719 levels, but I know there's a lot of them. Yeah. One that 520 00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:47.679 I'm really excited of and I hope people are excited for too, is at 521 00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:53.360 the thirty dollars level, people can people will get a drawing of themselves as 522 00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:59.840 as an alien from the universe from the Tell Me a Story universe, and 523 00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:02.880 that to me is a fun one, because that's kind of how that's how 524 00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:07.639 I started developing most of these characters, is just by doing quick sketches of 525 00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:15.800 portraits or photos that I found, so we also have so that's and it 526 00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:21.159 will it be like in this gray kind of format where well and at the 527 00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:25.760 thirty at the thirty dollars level, it will be an original hand drawn pencil 528 00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:30.800 sketch. So what they look as like a gray alien, right exactly. 529 00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:35.119 So they'll send me a photo and uh and I'll draw them, you know, 530 00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:37.320 with with their outfit, whatever outfit they have on. So if people 531 00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:42.119 want to put on a funky outfit, that will make even more interesting cool. 532 00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:46.920 And then uh yeah, at the uh I'm sorry, excuse me, 533 00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:52.599 at the seven hundred and fifty dollars level, we will put that character. 534 00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:57.599 We'll color that character and put them in the background. They'll be an actual 535 00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:02.039 background character. And then at the town dollar level, that character will get 536 00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:07.039 their own story that a backer will get to create if they still choose. 537 00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:09.920 I know some people, well I know some people can be a little intimidated 538 00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:15.559 by that. And if that's the case, then please we will just guide 539 00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:17.280 you, will will help you, or you can edit us whatever, But 540 00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:22.719 I would like people to start getting used to the idea of being a part 541 00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:27.199 of this of this story. Well. And that's what's cool about the idea, 542 00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:30.159 like you said, with him coming across and getting these memories, is 543 00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:36.440 that all of these are kind of these own their own, self contained stories 544 00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:43.280 that could be done by any artist. But then it introduces you and takes 545 00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:49.320 you into kind of this new world and which then if like you're talking about 546 00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:52.840 happens, you know, you have lots of different experiences and stories going on 547 00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:57.679 there. Yeah, and I would really love to see, like, you 548 00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:00.960 know, maybe maybe a character that just was a background character ends up you 549 00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:05.880 know, people really like their story, and so maybe people get to add 550 00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:09.119 more stories to that partcular character and more experiences there. I mean things like 551 00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:13.679 that. I would very much like to see, you know, kind of 552 00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:19.599 this project a life of its own. Cool. And then just so people 553 00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:22.400 know, I mean that's cool too. As you offer pledge levels, you 554 00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:28.679 have a ton of them, but they start as low as like two dollars, 555 00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:31.679 but that thirty dollars to get a sketch of themselves is a pretty good 556 00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:36.639 deal. Thanks. I'm glad you think so. I mean, we have 557 00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:42.679 you know, tons of like prints and posters and signed stuff, you know, 558 00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:45.559 at the going even higher, just past the one thousands of two thousand 559 00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:52.199 dollars level, where I will actually send you one of the original concepts notebooks, 560 00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:55.599 one of my sketch books full of concept drawings and designs and story notes 561 00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:59.840 and all that stuff. But you know, I want to definitely want to 562 00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:02.880 make accessible so that you know, people who maybe they just see the interests 563 00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:07.000 but they're not you know, they can't commit, or it's Christmas and we 564 00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:10.199 all have you know, we'll split a million different ways, but they really 565 00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:15.719 want to support it. You know, really anything helps, any little bit 566 00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:17.599 helps. And the good thing about Kickstarter is you know, no one's on 567 00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:22.880 the hook. It doesn't go through, no big deal. Right. And 568 00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:27.039 so for you guys, if they go to kickstarter dot com, I think 569 00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:30.440 they can just search for tell me a Story and your project will come up. 570 00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:36.960 Cool. So the story or or excuse me or Jersey boy PDX is 571 00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:39.840 my handle, okay, So but yeah, tell me a story would be 572 00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:44.400 the easiest, okay. And it's a lot of fun because you have like 573 00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:49.480 this huge Kickstarter page with lots of your art, several different videos that people 574 00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:54.800 can watch different kind of ideas for layouts and stuff like this, and it 575 00:47:54.920 --> 00:48:00.320 did. It's bigger than most Kickstarter pages, but it's fun because it shows 576 00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:05.119 that you have a lot of ideas and and a lot of kind of exciting 577 00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:08.639 ways of presenting the information. Which it's a really fun page to to kind 578 00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:13.559 of click around. Thank you, Thank you so much. I'm glad to 579 00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:15.559 you know, I'm really glad to hear you say that. It's definitely was 580 00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:22.719 important that people felt engaged in what I have produced so far so that they 581 00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:25.360 could see hopefully see where it can go in the future. And if I 582 00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:29.639 if I may just say that people want to see other examples there. There 583 00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:34.280 are links all over the Kickstarter if you click on some of the highlighted stuff, 584 00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:37.440 but in particular if you want to just jump ahead, I have some 585 00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:42.639 finished sample pages. Uh, there were test pages from when I was kind 586 00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:45.800 of getting the process down. If you go to tell Me a Story dot 587 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:52.559 Smack Geeves dot com, you can see there are five all all the completely 588 00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:58.039 different sample pages that I've done. Also, I have a blog spot that 589 00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:04.800 I've where I've my development blog. It's interactive animated sci fi dot blogspot dot 590 00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:07.239 com. And I try to keep regular with that. It's been a little 591 00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:10.840 tough, you know, with getting word out for the Kickstarter, but there 592 00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:15.199 I try to put regular updates and you can see more and more concept art 593 00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:20.320 that isn't on the Kickstarter. Cool. Yeah, and I noticed you have 594 00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:23.079 at least I see the sample pages link here. I look through those and 595 00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:28.199 that's exciting too. I mean, I guess that's the HTML five. But 596 00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:34.440 how you can have these panels like independently have animation inside of them is super 597 00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:38.119 cool, just really cool. That was actually those originally, Thank you. 598 00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:44.840 Those were actually originally done in flash Oh really yeah, No, the HTML 599 00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:50.280 five is something I haven't even I'm working with my programmer now. I'm actually 600 00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:54.960 gonna call him after I get off the you We're gonna talk about we're building 601 00:49:55.000 --> 00:50:00.199 a demo now, so hopefully within the next week or so, we'll have 602 00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:04.280 at the very least a link to something that people will actually get to use 603 00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:07.159 and really see what we want to put together. Awesome, Well, it 604 00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:09.559 looks like a lot of fun, And thanks for letting me know, and 605 00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:15.400 thanks for coming on the show and sharing this with us. Hopefully people will 606 00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:17.440 go check it out because at the very least, it's a really fun page 607 00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:22.880 to go look at, and hopefully people back you and your project will go 608 00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:27.119 forward, because I think it seems to be like, you know, a 609 00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:32.079 new exciting way for comics to go online. Cool, thank you so much. 610 00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:36.760 Yeah, I really, you know, I appreciate the support. I'm 611 00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:38.920 so glad that you gave me the opportunity to speak with with your audience. 612 00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:44.320 And yes, please go check out the page. You know, even if 613 00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:46.800 you can't support it, send it to your friends, share it with them, 614 00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:51.000 because that's that's how this works. It's it's all about getting the word 615 00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:53.519 out. All right. Well, cool man, you have some nice holidays 616 00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:59.400 and hopefully as soon as the holidays are over here, you'll have another big 617 00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:04.199 present in that you'll have your project funded and you'll have some work to do. 618 00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:08.639 Yeah, hopefully keep busy, right yep, all right, thanks man, 619 00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:13.159 all right, thank you, Alejandra, all right, so, thank 620 00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:15.800 you very much to Damien. I think his project is really cool, and 621 00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:21.320 I really encourage people to go check out his Kickstarter page because there's lots of 622 00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:24.559 videos, lots of artwork, and it's like, you know, you'll have 623 00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:30.159 like forty five minutes of fun just going through and looking at everything he's posted 624 00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:35.239 here. Lots of really cool stuff, especially for UFO enthusiasts, because he 625 00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:40.159 has lots of alien pictures and alien drawings and it's extremely creative, and like 626 00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:45.559 he said, it's interesting to think about like the different outfits that have been 627 00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:49.039 reported and that they may wear, would do aliens wear? I mean, 628 00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:52.960 that's kind of interesting. He mentioned alien fashion and what that might be like 629 00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:55.639 and his different ideas about that where he has these pictures with all kinds of 630 00:51:55.679 --> 00:52:01.440 different kinds of outfits to to show what people have reported, but also to 631 00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:05.480 kind of speculate on what else might be out there. So it's an interesting 632 00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:09.719 aspect of what might that be like when we ever meet extraterrestrials. So some 633 00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:15.000 really cool stuff. So remember you can go to Kickstarter and just in the 634 00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:17.880 search which is right on the top the search projects, just type in tell 635 00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:22.239 me a story and you'll find that. So thanks to Damien. So I 636 00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:29.440 want to mention a couple other things. Last week we had mentioned that Maureen 637 00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:32.199 was going to be on a TV show on an Animal Planet called Uncovering Aliens. 638 00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:37.960 So that aired late last night and that was a lot of fun and 639 00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:42.559 Maureen came across, like I think, like the big expert on the show, 640 00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:46.039 So she came across really great. So that's exciting because of course it's 641 00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:51.679 kind of nerve racking to see what's going to happen and what the producers are 642 00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:54.199 going to do. So I thought it was really cool and no offense to 643 00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:57.800 the other guys on the show, you know, some of them who are 644 00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:01.639 friends. I think Maureene was my favorite on the show. She came across 645 00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:07.480 really cool. So we'll see if that show continues, but it was cool 646 00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:13.519 that Animal Planet aired that. Otherwise, I also want to share a bit 647 00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:21.360 of unfortunate news, and that is that UFO researcher Lloyd Pie passed away recently 648 00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:24.760 on December ninth. Actually, we posted a video Tom, you know, 649 00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:30.239 our video guy put together some interviews that we have with him, and luckily 650 00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:34.480 we were able to get some great interviews because we had him at the Congress 651 00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:39.800 recently, and so some really cool stuff that you haven't seen before, that 652 00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:45.519 nobody's seen before, interviews with Lloyd Pie. So go check that out where 653 00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:49.719 she can find that open Minds dot tv or on our YouTube and find out 654 00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:52.400 more information. Then you can go on our Facebook and you can see how 655 00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:59.039 to send your condolences to the family, and of course our condolences go out 656 00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:07.039 to them. So yeah, very sad situation that unfortunately Lloyd PI has passed 657 00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:12.519 away. And speaking about the UFO Congress, of course that is coming up. 658 00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:17.039 That it's going to be February twelfth through the sixteenth, so it's really 659 00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:23.039 like two months away. It's actually less than two months away, which adds 660 00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:27.920 more stress to our holidays, as if this holidays aren't stressful enough, but 661 00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:30.760 excitement as well, because it's going to be a lot of fun. So 662 00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:36.440 we actually saw some friends this weekend. We went to Jason and I went 663 00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:38.920 to Las Vegas to see Lee Spiegel and other friends who are going to be 664 00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:43.039 there. And that's one of the fun things is just getting together with people 665 00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:45.880 maybe you don't get to see all of the time, other people who are 666 00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:49.880 into the topic that maybe you just see once a year at the UFO Congress, 667 00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:52.320 or if you can only make it to the Congress every other year, 668 00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:55.920 then every other year. But also lots of speakers because of course, as 669 00:54:55.960 --> 00:54:59.679 I'm sure you all have found, you know, once you go to a 670 00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:02.599 few conferences and spend a lot of time talking with some of the speakers and 671 00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:07.440 researchers. You kind of become buddies and you have these new online friends that 672 00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:12.599 you carry on relationships online and talk about, you know, our interests in 673 00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:14.800 all of this stuff. So you get to see some of your friends, 674 00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:17.519 so which is certainly the case for all of us. So really excited about 675 00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:21.679 it. Really excited to see some of you all. And it's really cool. 676 00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:23.079 You know, come up if you listen to the show and say hi. 677 00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:29.639 It's really it's inspiring when we hear from people who listen to the show 678 00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:32.039 who just say thank you, or watch the website, which is really neat. 679 00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:37.079 But we have some great researchers. Of course, we have George Norri 680 00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:42.239 from Coast to Coast AM. We've got Timothy Good who's got a new book 681 00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:47.239 out, and researcher everybody likes a lot of science with Jeffrey Bennett and Richard 682 00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:53.000 Hoover. We have some great research like on triangular UFOs from David Marler, 683 00:55:53.639 --> 00:55:59.280 another recent guest of course already six killer talking about Native American stories. We've 684 00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:06.000 even integrated Bigfoot and we're going to have a really cool debate with some people 685 00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:09.519 who all of them believe in UFOs but in the government rule, government's role, 686 00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:14.119 is it more mundane or is there a lot of major secrets going on? 687 00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:16.519 So we have people in both camps that are going to talk about that. 688 00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:20.840 We have Timothy Good and Stephen Bassett in the camp of you know, 689 00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:25.599 the major conspiracies, and we have John Alexander and Muffan's director of research, 690 00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:30.639 who feels that it's not as big of a conspiracy as people may think. 691 00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:31.920 And so we'll be talking about that, and I think that's going to be 692 00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:37.719 a lot of fun and really exciting. We have George Napp coming to talk 693 00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:42.960 about Bob Lazar because it's the twenty It's been twenty five years since the Bob 694 00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:45.239 Lazaar story came out and put area fifty one on the map, and now 695 00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:51.079 we have, you know, Obama talking about it twenty five years later, 696 00:56:51.199 --> 00:56:54.599 So really exciting stuff. So you can go to Ufocongress dot com, or 697 00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:58.800 of course for all of this news and everything, you can go to Openminds 698 00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:04.079 dot tv. You'll also be able to see, uh the latest episode of 699 00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:08.800 Spacing Out, which is Jason and Maureen going over all of the UFO news 700 00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:15.559 of the week. So check out Openminds dot tv. Again, Happy Holidays 701 00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:19.239 to everyone, and I want to thank the guys who donated the music, 702 00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:23.760 Caleb Hanks who did the intro music in two worth minutes, who do the 703 00:57:23.800 --> 00:57:28.639 close So thank you all so much for listening. I hope you have a 704 00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:32.000 great holidays. And of course next week is a holidays, so we'll be 705 00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:36.960 at back in a couple of weeks. Have a great time. Thanks so 706 00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:39.239 much for listening, and we'll talk to you in a couple of weeks. 707 00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:52.760 People Audio Smoothatos, A Wake, A Wicked