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Welcome back, everyone to a new
episode of You're Wrong with Molly Hemingway and

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David Harsani. Just a reminder,
if you want to email the show,

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please do it radio at the Federalist
dot com. We love to hear what

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you have to say. Hey,
Molly, happy post Super Tuesday. We

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made it. We finally made it. I thought it would never happen,

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and we are after Super Tuesday.
And while we are recording this before it's

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going to happen, Nikki Haley will
be dropping out today, right right,

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Yeah, it's as we record this
in the morning. It was reported that

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she would I don't think she's made
an official announcement yet sexually quit early for

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us. Did it go like you
imagined it would? Did you think Trump

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would have these would trounce in all
these places he did. I can't remember

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ever caring less about a Super Tuesday
than I did this one. I mean,

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I just assumed Trump was going to
basically run the table, which he

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did. Other than Vermont, was
it, I think which Nicki Haley won

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Vermont, which made me laugh because
it was like too many headlines that were

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like surprise, you know, Nicky
Haley. Surprise went in Vermont, like

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it mattered at all. I thought
that today Nicki Haley would get up and

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say, you know, the fight
has just begun. You know, we've

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really actually won all these you know, but you know the writing's been on

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the wall for a while. David, did you think that, because every

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time she lost she would give a
victory speech. Yes, thank you for

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contextualizing that. My favorite one was
Iowa, where Ron DeSantis came in second

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place, Donald Trump came in first, She came in third, and she

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gave a speech that said, only
two people make it out of Iowa,

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and that's me. Now, I
like, there's a way to understand it.

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In fact, Ronda Santis did drop
out after that because he'd kind of

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staked his whole race on winning Iowa. But still it was just so weird.

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And then she kept doing it over
and over. She'd be like,

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in a way, I'm the winner. Also she will say that today.

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Yeah, also, Rondasantis has a
state to govern, and there's no real

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upside in him dragging out one of
these things. Nikki Haley, on the

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other hand, I think there at
one point was an upside for her in

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doing that. I think she went
a little this is just from a political

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point of view, I think she
went too far now and will have probably

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no place in a new administration.
Though. Actually, let me ask you

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this question. Do you think she
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She already said she won't, and
I think that's fine. I don't

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think she's running. I don't think
she was running for the Republican nomination.

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She was running to hurt Trump,
so that would be a huge, huge

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to do from last night to this
morning. And also she probably is in

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My theory has always been that she
wants to run third party. I don't

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know if she'll be able to pull
that off, So you don't endorse someone

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when you're running third party. And
then some people had always thought she was

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actually trying to get a cabinet position
in a Biden administration, sort of for

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future long term financial prospects. In
any case, I don't see her endorsing

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Trump, and I think that's fine
because they really do have differences of opinion.

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She very much supports things that he
has moved the party away from.

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Whether that's well. I mean,
the great example being her strenuous support of

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wars that are being fought without a
clear strategy for success, which is definitely

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a relic of a Bush era Republican
and most the vast majority of the party

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has moved on, but she does
represent a small percentage of people who are

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still there. Yeah, yeah,
please, I'll say, so I have

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this, do you do, Tim
Carney? Yes? Okay. So he's

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an awesome, awesome person and a
really good friend. And he did a

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thread yesterday where he explained why he
voted for Nikki Haley. So he's like,

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you know, I believe in candor
and transparency and disclosure, and you

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should always tell your readers where you're
coming from. And so he's like,

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I published disclosures about my family and
my faith and my finances. And while

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I don't think voting is so important, it is elemental democracy. So I

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think people who cover politics should disclose
what their votes were. And she's like,

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he says, this morning, in
the Virginia GOP primary, I voted

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against Trump. I filled in the
oval for Haley, not because I love

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her, but because she's the one
running against Trump. I wanted to see,

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you know, but whatever. And
he's like, I thought about voting

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for DeSantis anyway, and I but
I realize like, I'm not going to

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vote. I need to rid the
gop of Trump, and he corrodes conservatism

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and is thoroughly unfit for the job, and I'm not going to vote for

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him in him or Biden in November. So he's like a real never trumper.

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So he's like, all my fellow
journalists, how did you vote,

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how are you voting? How'd you
vote in the last election? Do you

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know whom you will support in November? Do you want Biden replaced on the

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Democrat ballot by whom? So first
off, it's kind of interesting because like

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Tim is actually a right of center
journalist, and you think about that,

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what percentage of journalists do you think
are democrat or to the left, like

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main in mainstream reporting or just like
non opinion pages. That mainstream is not

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a word to use for left wing
media, but yes, in course it's

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a misnomer, but it's what people
understand, so establishment media. I would

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say probably ninety five percent you know, of journalists are left of center.

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Probably a large percentage of them are
more like progressive, you know, deeply

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leftists in opinion pages, it's probably
even higher other than token Republicans, and

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usually those token Republicans take positions that
do not actually threaten very much. But

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this is why I had a job. You know. I think that they

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didn't see me as a big threat, you know, because I was like

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pro immigration, I wasn't against gay
marriage. You know. Like if I

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had been a social conservative in those
days, I don't think I would have

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had a job at the Denver Post, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,

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and that's what I was. I
was going to follow up with the

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how many people do you think are
left? And I do agree with you

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that it would be around ninety five
percent, And then of the remaining five

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percent, how many do you think
support Trump? Handful right? In any

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kind of major newspaper or media outlet. So I would like to now tell

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how I voted, if that's okay, yes, please? I remember the

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first time I talked about voting.
It was with that conspiracy theorist who runs

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The Atlantic. He had me on
a podcast. What is his name,

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Jeffrey Goldberg, Yeah, Jeffrey Goldberg. So he asked me how I voted,

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and I actually sort of believe in
not saying how you vote, but

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I was kind of stunned into talking
about it then and in twenty sixteen,

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I voted for Ted Cruz in the
primary and in the twenty twenty election,

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or sorry, in twenty sixteen election, I voted for Donald Trump. In

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the twenty twenty election, I voted
for Donald Trump. This week, Virginia,

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where I live, had a primary
election, and I first willing to

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say that, I actually called a
friend to find out what was what all

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was going to be on the ballot, because I have been known to not

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vote in the Republican primary because the
city I live in is so uniparty that

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if you want to vote for mayor, or you want to vote for a

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city councilmen, and you don't want
it to be the really awful person that

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your neighbors are about to vote for, you try to like vote for a

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reasonable person in the Democrat primary.
Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah,

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I know what you're talking about.
My husband taught. At first,

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I was horrified when my husband used
to do this when we lived in DC,

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because I just thought it was like, you can have nothing to do

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with the Democrat Party or whatever.
But I kind of realized why you do

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that in really blue cities. But
anyway, I am in Florida right now,

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and I was going to be in
Florida on Super Tuesday, so I

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voted early, and I went down
to the place where you vote early.

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Turns out there was only a presidential
election on the ballot, So I voted

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Republican and I voted for Donald Trump. And I was reading Tim Carney's thread

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yesterday and was like, I had
this revelation, like, Oh, the

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reason why people like me and they're
so nice about me being on TV or

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talking about the perspective of Republican voters
is because I might be in a country

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of hundreds of millions of people,
I might be the only person on TV

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who's actually voting the way you know, the vast, vast, vast majority

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of Republicans are voting. I find
all that very all that fascinating, honestly,

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Now, let's talk I want to
talk about it a little bit.

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So let's just go back to the
representation on TV. Actually, let's talk

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about the representation on TV. So
I don't know, I don't watch a

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lot of cable TV, but I
know that you're probably one of the only

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people who would just say that they
voted for Trump, probably even on Fox

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right. I'm sure there are some
others on Fox. But well, and

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to be fair, I don't think
people say who they vote for, so

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it's not something that's talked about.
I actually don't think it matters so much

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how you vote so much as what
you say. And what I'm saying is

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I'm probably the only person who will
defend a Trump voter and what they're thinking

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and why they vote certain way.
It's probably why I didn't fall for the

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Russia collusion thing was because I was
like, well, I didn't vote for

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Trump because I'm Russian. I voted
for Trump because I really didn't like Hillary

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Clinton. You know, like it's
a valuable perspective to have. It's one

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held by most of the country right
now, and I don't really know who

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else on TV would match it,
right, right, so, right,

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So I believe it's it's incredibly irresponsible
for major newspapers not to at least let

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their readers know what Trump voters are
thinking and where they're coming from. And

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this is why you have this.
It's divisive in a way that it shouldn't

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be. I'm I think that politics
is about being a part right in many

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ways and arguing about stuff, but
you should at least know where the other

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side's coming from, but they don't
want to. They just want to call

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people Nazis, pretend democracies at stake, and so on. So that's always,

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I think, been somewhat somewhat of
a problem, but now it's like

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a major problem. As far as
telling people who you vote for, I

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think that's a good idea for journalists. I used to argue in favor of

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that at the Denver Post. I
thought that we should tell people, especially

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in the editorial page, who we
vote for. But then on the other

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hand, I didn't see this thread
from Tim. But getting into this deep

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explanation of why you're voting or why
you're not voting for people is also I

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think a little bit counter productive,
don't you Because I am critical, I

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try to be critical of all people, and I don't like I think Trump

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is bad for the Republican Party in
the long run, you know, but

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he's he represents where people are now. He represents where the party is now,

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and I want to be critical of
him. But if I tell everyone

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exactly why I'm voting and who I'm
voting for, that kind of undermines my

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ability to like just be a critic, which is what I feel I am.

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Do you know what I'm saying?
Absolutely, I don't think people need

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to. First of all, I
love that Tim does disclose things such as

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what his religion is and what his
financial interest is. I think it's really

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he's, by the way, a
truly honorable man impersonal and public life,

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and he's great. But I don't
think other people need to. I just

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when I read it, I almost
retweeted it with with just a blunt Trump,

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you know, like I voted for
Trump. I voted for Trump,

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be funny. But it just kind of

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got me thinking about, oh,
yeah, like nobody else in media is

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don't think it's good for the country that

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seventy five dollars or more. A
lot of people I know, people in

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my family, friends of mine,
are very big fans of yours. And

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they don't those are great people,
Yes they don't. They are much bigger

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fans of you than they are of
me as far as our positions go.

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But there I think what they express
to me is that you are you know,

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you represent what they feel about Trump, rather than people who are on

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there who sometimes try to do that
but are like it feels like they're anthropologists

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on some kind of expedition, like
talking about these rare people in some industrial

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town. Well, my family doesn't
live in an industrial city in the middle

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of America. They live in places
that are pretty blueish, right, And

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there are a lot of people in
this country who like Trump. There are

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some people who vote for him because
you know, frankly, you vote for

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the lesser evil in your in your
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people who actually are very excited and
like Trump. As well, and I

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don't think the left knows about it
or cares about it. That's a big

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that's a big problem I think for
media. Just one more point about this

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issue of voting in Super Tuesday.
The New York Times, which is a

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publication I love to hate, actually
has great election night coverage. Do you

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ever visit them sometimes? Yeah,
they have, Like it's just a really

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great interface and you can you know, like last night, they had all

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thirteen states up at the top of
the thing and you could just like click

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on one and drill down, and
they had pretty good quick results in Virginia,

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which went shockingly easily for Trump.
I did not think that would happen.

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It's not that kind of state.
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Arlington County and Alexandria ar Arlington County
and Alexandria City, and those went so

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overwhelmingly for NICKI Haley. This was
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nice about just a two person race
where you can kind of see where people

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are. And it's not just that
in the media space. I am maybe

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the only person willing to admit that
I have voted for the previous Republican president,

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but even among the ostensibly right of
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I'm a huge outlier, and that
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with a bunch of Democrats. Does
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the conservative space or the right of
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DC area, like you saw Nicki
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a group of people who know the
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d C, the establishment Party.
They are not where the vast majority of

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Republican voters are. It's just interesting
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is ideological and whatever, but there
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Like Trump undermines so in DC that
whole town and people don't know our

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LinkedIn Alexandria people those people are connected
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are suburbs or whatever. Are all
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it has always done. And anyone
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know, is a danger to them. So it's not just ideological, right,

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I mean, it's just that Trump
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he was president and they don't like
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think so Nikki Halley won the d
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primaries? There two interesting things about
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and almost nobody voted for Trump in
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yeah, yeah, that's the second
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very very few people voting in the
Republican primary in DC. And you saw

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a bunch of Democrat lawyer activist types
making fun of the jury pool that would

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face Donald Trump. In one of
the show trials, Mark Elias repeatedly was

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like, Oh, this looks like
a really rough jury pool for the Orange

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Man. And of course, one
of the problems with the over zealous prosecution

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of the J six protesters and the
politicized prosecution of Trump is like it's clearly

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being done to secure quick and easy
convictions, which is a total violation of

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the spirit of the law and might
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law. How they're doing these And
it was just interesting to me that the

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Democrat activist attorneys were highlighting that as
if it were a good thing. You

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want, you know, if you
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Legitimately, you don't. You shouldn't
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the biases or bigotry of a jury. You should want them convicted on the

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strength of the argument, right,
I think, well, yes, But

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I think I've spoken about Well,
we're going to get into that in a

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minute, the whole law fair stuff
in the scheduling and timing, and how

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upsetting it is for or how obvious
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But I just want to say,
when I first turned against the idea

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of democracy, one of the reasons
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I don't have much respect for jury
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if I guess if I was guilty, I would want a jury, and

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if I was innocent, I would
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look at it. Because you know, juries are easily manipulated, and it's

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clear that in New York, Trump
is not going to get what they reward

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in a civil trial. Yet to
like just fork over five hundred million in

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a case that the that no one
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the bank didn't bring it. No
one had a problem with what happened there,

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and he had to pay five hundred
million. So juries are easily manipulated,

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and a DC jury obviously will be
easily manipulated. So you don't have

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to convince me on that. But
it is interesting what an outlier DC is

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is in all areas like DC in
an optimal country would be in the middle,

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right, they'd be very moderates there, they'd be like the town would

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be within the middle of you know, of the of the consent or would

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be the consensus place. But it's
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left, both for the Republicans and
for Democrats. People work in congressional offices

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are much more left wing than the
normal Democrat in Illinois or something, and

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at least I think they are.
And uh, it's something to worry about

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anyway, everyone knows that. Let's
talk about. Yeah, you've got somethingails

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on this. I just want to
say one other thing on Super Tuesday that

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I thought was interesting. CNN was
doing exit polls where they were worried because

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the vast, vast, vast majority
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Biden's twenty twenty win was legitimate.
And I had a few things I thought

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were funny about this. Like one, CNN ran the Russia collusion hoax to

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interfere in the twenty twenty election.
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lies and propaganda that were meant to
affect politics, you could say that

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the election suffered. CNN also ran
the false claim that the Hunter laptop was

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Russian disinformation. They helped provide cover
for the censorship and suppression of news and

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information. Like CNN, they led
the Kavanaugh smear ye, all sorts of

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things that affected the integrity of the
twenty twenty election. So and that doesn't

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even get into like Mark Elias changing
all the laws and like all the weirdness

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with the unsupervised mail in balloting and
all you know, like all the other

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is choose their ear and play.
So yesterday, California has a primary which

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heads to a They do the jungle
primary runoff situation where just the top two

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vote getters go into the next primary. And Adam Schiff was one of the

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two people to make it into the
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he'll be running against Steve Garvey,
who's a Republican and former baseball player you

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might remember and everyone. Yeah,
and everyone expects Shift to win easily because

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of the demographic situation. I don't
say demographic, whatever the partisan situation in

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California where the vast majority of people
are Democrats. Adam Schiff is a conspiracy

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theorist and liar. He falsely claimed
he had evidence that Trump had colluded with

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Russia to steal the twenty sixteen election. He said that on air for years,

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using a position of authority, and
it was a lie. And he's

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a conspiracy theorist. And how much
did his buddies at CNN, who he

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used to leak to all the time, characterize him as a conspiracy theorist winning

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the top the likely Senate seat and
winning this last night? They did not

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say that. And I'm just pointing
out, if you want to find conspiracy

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theorists, Wait, is this what
your book is about too? Yes?

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Okay, I mean, if you
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Adam Schiff, California Senate Jack Tapper
had Stacy Abrams on numerous times.

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Numerous times. Do you know that
he did a book signing with her on

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their novel with their novels. She
is a person who does not accept the

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results of elections and democracy, not
even to talk about Adams shift and stuff.

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So the whole thing's a joke,
and I don't really care if people

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except twenty twenty, My view is
that no one's going to really accept any

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presidential election anymore, partly for good
reasons because it's a bit of anarchy going

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on, but partly because they just
don't want to live with the truth,

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right, and I have to one
accept it they didn't except twenty sixteen.

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All of this is just a smoke
screen, and that's that. That's it.

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I really kind of like that corporate
media and other Democrats have said,

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if you say anything other than that
this weird, weird election was the most

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pure and beautiful election in the history
of mankind, we will possibly jail you.

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And you've got like huge percentages of
Republicans being like, yeah, that

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just makes me more likely to think
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not less likely. There's something kind
of nice that makes you feel like it

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might be America when you see people
rejecting group think and prohibitions on speech like

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that. Let's talk about Biden for
a second. So he won obviously,

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you know, he ran the table
as well, but there were a bunch

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of uncommitted voters, you know,
protesting supposedly his gosen policy. Like it's

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up to him what Israel does?
I mean, of course he has a

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say and he can pressure Israel,
but it's not like he's doing it.

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But whatever, I don't really care. It's not a huge number. Everyone

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says it matters, but to me, something else was key. When you

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look at polling. What's it called
exit polling independence? He is so people

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who consider themselves independents in like California
had like, wait, can independence vote?

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Obviously they can if there was exit
polling of them anyway, I saw

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an exit poll of independence in like
California, and he's like a thirty two

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percent popularity. I think his kind
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and other things he's doing with the
economy of everything else has turned off independence.

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So he's so worried about Michigan dearborn
voters. He's forgetting that this country

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elections are won by independence quite often. And Trump is ahead of him significantly,

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do you I mean, he's in
a really bad position. I can't

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think of the last Republican that has
been ahead at this point in polling where

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president election. That's what's amazing.
You can be behind, you can be

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a Republican, can be behind in
polling and win easily, and you have

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Trump ahead in most polls. It's
crazy right now. Obviously it's early,

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so we don't know how things are
going to shake out. But I can't

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think of an incumbent president historically speaking
in this kind of position since Jimmy Carter

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maybe, and even Jimmy Carter was
probably doing better at this point in polling,

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because I know that Reagan's sort of
like right at the end kind of

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took off. Okay, So there
are two I totally agree with it.

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To me, when you look historically
at what we're dealing with, Setting apart

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the Grover Cleveland issue of you know, split presidencies, the situation this most

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reminds me of is nineteen eighty.
It is an you know, sort of

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like a weird thing that Carter gets
in. People are widely disliking the way

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he runs the country, and you
have this massive victory in nineteen eighty.

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But there are two things that should
give Democrats hope. One, Democrats just

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do a better job of finding ballots
to put in boxes. And I mean

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by that not that like they they
find people who might not know there's an

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election, or might not know who
to that they're who's who the people running

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are, or when the election is, and they get ballots from those people

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into boxes. And so that's not
historically what we would call a good way

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to run an election. You know, motivation to vote should actually be part

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of the process of whether or not
you vote. But Democrats have a crazy

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advantage, and not just through their
private funding of their C three networks,

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but also because Biden issued an executive
order that requires each and every federal agency

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to take part in this type of
process of ballot harvesting, and so all

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the tax pay dollars are going to
it as well. And the second thing

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is that we have really powerful and
every day they get more powerful censorship tools

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to pollute the way people understand each
and every story that's out there, and

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every story that's out there is a
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And you have some of these censorship
organizations bragging that they're using AI to

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supercharge their censorship tools to disrupt whether
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And that is a huge advantage to
Democrats. We saw it in the

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twenty twenty election with the censorship of
the Hunter Biden laptop story. But that

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was just one example of you know, thousands of censorship topics that get treated

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with the utmost seriousness by these left
wing tech companies, censorship firms, and

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government agencies. I mean, there'll
never be another nineteen eighty or not in

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our lifetime, probably because it's just
a structural political partisan outlooks. It's not

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Reagan one, you know, New
York and stuff like that. It's not

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going to happen again. But and
also you know this I'm telling you,

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David, is it could have It
could happen if we didn't have censorship.

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I firmly believe that. I don't
believe that that you can move enough artisans.

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We did not have a partisan press
and censorship, people would be voting,

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like overwhelmingly more for the party that
is not the media party. This

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is an unpopular opinion I have,
I think, but in many ways,

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I think the media landscape was worse
in nineteen eighty for Republicans. I'm sorry,

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there were just a few gatekeepers.
Now there's this independent press, federalists

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part of it that did not exist
in those days. The media was better

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in a way that I think they
were fair in some ways. But I

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think Reagan's victory came because he could
speak around and over the press in a

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way that now you can do.
And Trump does social media and so on

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twenty sixteen, you don't think so, David, how would Donald Trump use

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face book to speak to the American
people? Literally? How he was kicked

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off Facebook? I mean, I'm
saying, wouldn't let you share stories that

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way? Like understand, the entire
public square is a censorship square. Now,

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I'm just saying in twenty sixteen,
I think he spoke over the press

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through Twitter and it was used in
a way that no camp had ever used

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it. Yeah, so yeah,
locked it down. Then they realized what

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was going on, and you know, they they locked it down. Yeah

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there, you know, I know
their censorship. I mean, and I

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think it is censorship. Though I
want private companies to do what they want.

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When you're just holding to government,
that's censorship. That's literally that's fascism

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in a way. And you know, and I know that's hyperbolic to say,

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but that's exactly what it is.
And or I should say a fascistic

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So I get all of that,
but I'm just saying it wasn't that easy

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in nineteen eighty. I just think
today people are more hard is less likely

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to leave their party even if they
know things aren't going well. But anyway,

409
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:03,039
we'll see. I think that Bind's
in a really bad spot. Let

410
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:06,000
me one last question on this.
Do you think there's any chance he steps

411
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down and let someone else run?
So I am so bad at predicting what's

412
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,799
going to happen in the Democrat Party
that I didn't think Biden would be the

413
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:21,160
twenty twenty nominee, almost like until
the moment they did that whole thing on

414
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Super Tuesday where they like said,
you get out of the race, you

415
00:31:23,079 --> 00:31:26,319
stay in, you'll get this prize, you'll get that prize. We're going

416
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,279
to like jigger this, so Joe
Biden becomes the nominee. I was like,

417
00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:33,599
there's no way he's going to be
the nominee. And then as things

418
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,160
deteriorated, I just don't see how
he can be the nominee now either,

419
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,559
but I apparently he will be.
And I also feel like their big problem

420
00:31:42,599 --> 00:31:48,119
is they cannot get rid of him
without getting rid of Kamala Harris too,

421
00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:51,559
and if they get rid of Kamala
Harris too, because she can't be the

422
00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:56,839
nominee because she's even less liked than
Biden is and she's very bad. There's

423
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,759
something weird going on with her.
I just worry about her health. So

424
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:07,279
how do you how do you replace
him? Obviously Gavin Newsom or Greshen Whitmer

425
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:10,640
might be a preferable candidate, but
how do you How do you replace Biden

426
00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:15,200
with them without disrespecting all black women
who are one of the few groups you

427
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:20,480
have that are like holding on there
for the Democrat Party. I agree,

428
00:32:20,519 --> 00:32:23,480
I just don't. I don't know, like in any what the practical way

429
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,400
of doing this is. Kamal is
going to not step aside that, so

430
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,279
now you have a fight, and
that just doesn't work at this point.

431
00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:34,480
Also, I think we underestimate,
not you, but people might underestimate the

432
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:37,880
kind of ego you need to be
president to run for the presidency. Why

433
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,799
would I just don't see Biden,
this is his lifelong dream. He's just

434
00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:43,720
gonna step aside now. I just
don't see it. I think it would.

435
00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:47,079
I think Jill Jill Budden, doctor
Jill Budden might do it first,

436
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:52,319
think, Jild, you know that
is untenable as well, now I do.

437
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:58,240
I have worried about a thing I
probably can't even say on a podcast,

438
00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:02,039
which would be a worst removal,
if you know what I mean of

439
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:07,599
Biden, and I worry that people
might that they're the powerful people might want

440
00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:12,559
that. So I think powerful people
probably think he's still there best bet at

441
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:15,839
this point. Okay, as much, that's just my view. I think

442
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,640
for all the problems, the incumbency
is a powerful tool. You have the

443
00:33:19,839 --> 00:33:22,400
you know, the entire White House
is mobilized in your you know, for

444
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,920
you to bring in now your own
a campaign with its own people. And

445
00:33:28,039 --> 00:33:31,319
it's just it's not you know better
than I. You know how like big

446
00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:35,240
these organizations are and how much money
flows to them. I just don't.

447
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:37,880
I just don't see it happening.
So, David, you know, people

448
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,400
all the time when I'm out speaking, they tell me they're worried that someone

449
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,799
is going to kill Donald Trump.
Have I told you my theory that they

450
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:52,039
don't need to worry about that.
No, So we have like deep state

451
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:58,960
services that are corrupted. I think
it's fair to say we all now realize

452
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:06,000
how corrupted are intel community is.
But I kind of feel like if so

453
00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:08,920
much as a hair on the head
of Donald Trump were hurt, even if

454
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:15,480
they claimed it was Russia or the
you know, Iran or China, you

455
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,800
know, they could they could try
to claim it with someone else, everyone

456
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,280
would assume it was the CIA.
So my theory is that counterintuitively, Donald

457
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:27,400
Trump is the most protected human in
the world right now because they know that

458
00:34:27,519 --> 00:34:30,840
the whole jig would be up if
he got hurt in any way. I

459
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:39,639
float of theory a less conspiratorial theory
that saying you're wrong. I think there

460
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:45,599
was a current here that people don't
take seriously enough as to why Donald Trump

461
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:50,079
has a very good chance of winning. And that is this Joe Biden aesthetically

462
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,719
and you know, when he was
in the basement and all that, looks

463
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,159
like a moderate. You know,
he's an old white dude, he's from

464
00:34:55,159 --> 00:35:00,000
Delaware, all that, but in
every real way, so you'll see store

465
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:02,119
is where they're like, don't you
remember how terrible the Trump years were?

466
00:35:02,159 --> 00:35:05,079
Like, how could we want to
go back to this? Because a lot

467
00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:07,320
of the polls show that people have
a better view of the Trump years than

468
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:12,320
they do the Biden years. The
truth is that Donald Trump is in every

469
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,480
policy way, far more moderate than
Joe Biden is. He is far more

470
00:35:16,519 --> 00:35:21,559
in line with a normal American,
even a moderate Democrat, than Joe Biden

471
00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:27,079
is, on foreign policy, on
economics, on the border, like all

472
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:30,960
these issues. And I just think
that when you think about the craziness of

473
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,519
the Trump years, Yeah, part
of it's Trump. He's a weird guy

474
00:35:32,559 --> 00:35:36,840
in the acts in ways that are
unconventional, to say the least, But

475
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,199
most of it was about Russia,
which now everyone knows was just a conspiracy

476
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:45,079
theory. So I just think I
don't know if Jake Tapper or CNN know

477
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:50,039
that a lot of people do.
Hardcore partisans probably don't, but most normal

478
00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:54,239
independence probably know by now. So
there is, like as with Warren Harding

479
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:59,320
after Wilson, there is this want
to get to back to some kind of

480
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:04,119
normal. Now. I'm not saying
the Trump presidency is normal, because there

481
00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:06,679
is going to be a lot going
on if he wins, but that is

482
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,719
very DC centric. I don't know
that a person in Minnesota is going through

483
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,880
the waves of emotion that like the
media is so to them. They remember

484
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,239
twenty seventeen and eighteen is pretty placid, right, And I think that that

485
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,639
might be the reason that he is
going to win. And I'm going to

486
00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:23,800
write a call about that. That
is such a good point. Sometimes I'm

487
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,239
telling people, you know, as
things got really bad really quickly under the

488
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,920
Biden administration and people were feeling like
normal, people were feeling like, what

489
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,360
the heck is going on here,
I would tell them that the weird thing

490
00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:40,119
was that during the Trump era that
might have been beautiful for Americans. They

491
00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:44,199
might have had a really good economy, they might have felt like some of

492
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,119
the excesses of the left were being
checked. They might have enjoyed the peace

493
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:53,840
breaking out all over the world.
D C was traumatized by Donald Trump being

494
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:59,440
president. It was the worst four
years of their life. And the moment

495
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:04,159
Joe Biden was elected, there was
this huge sigh of relief in both parties,

496
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,159
like, oh, thank god,
we can go back to normal and

497
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:12,000
things are actually great for DC right
now. We talked at the beginning about

498
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:17,559
Nicki Haley winning the DC primary and
Nikki Haley winning Arlington County in Alexandria.

499
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:25,960
This is because she was great for
DC. She would absolutely continue that thing

500
00:37:27,039 --> 00:37:30,559
that people in DC had gotten used
to and it is the weirdest thing how

501
00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:34,400
much of a disconnect there is,
and just a slight disconnect I think on

502
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,440
the right on this a little bit. Is also that the things that the

503
00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:43,320
left was going nuts about were very
conventional, traditional Republican When you had a

504
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,239
tax cut, they said the world
was going to end. When you deregulated

505
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:50,119
the internet, it was the end
of the internet. Like just being pro

506
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,599
Israel to them was like the end
of the world, like you know.

507
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:57,239
So those are very traditional, conventional
things, and I think in many ways

508
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,480
Trump was kind of hands off where
he should have been, Whereas now you

509
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:04,480
have the left starting culture war stuff
left and right, and people I think

510
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,960
are uncomfortable with that. I don't
know that that comes through in polls or

511
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:13,800
not, but this is my theory
of why Trump actually represents normalcy, which

512
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,840
is not something I thought I'd ever
say, but it's true. Also the

513
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:22,360
lawfair stuff, I think people are
see right through that you are mobilizing the

514
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,480
federal government to go after your opposition. That is not a normal way that

515
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:30,000
American systems supposed to work, I
think in most people's minds, right.

516
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:35,519
I was just thinking about that with
this week Monday we saw that the Supreme

517
00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:43,280
Court ruled nine two zero unanimously that
democrats attempts to remove Donald Trump from the

518
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,519
ballot and prevent the right of people
to vote for him was not matching with

519
00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:52,039
the Constitution. All right, Molly, I'm so proud of us. We

520
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:57,480
nailed that segue like it was seamless. Sorry, And you remember that I

521
00:38:57,559 --> 00:39:00,679
was there for the oral arguments,
Oh yeah, yeah, And that when

522
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:06,159
when I was there when Kaitanji Brown
Jackson at the end basically attacked the Colorado

523
00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:10,719
Democrat lawyer for attacking democracy. The
whole room that was all Democrat activists,

524
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,599
they just their shoulders sunk. They
were like, oh and people kind of

525
00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:22,360
knew right then it could be a
nine zero decision. That this was a

526
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:29,880
surprise to corporate media is yet another
indication of how corrupt our press is,

527
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:35,000
our press are, and how much
they need to be not paid attention to.

528
00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:38,440
Well, I have to say they
continue to surprise me because I just

529
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:45,159
assumed that most people knew already that
this was not going to go the Democrats

530
00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:50,000
way, or that they thought it
was a frivolous kind of that this was

531
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:53,280
frivolous, Like there are more important
issues, you know, and this Colorado

532
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,400
thing and the main Yeah, this
is frivolous, but no, they came

533
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,760
out like this, like and what
I loved was that just ignored that it

534
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:06,079
was Nino, and they kept talking
about maga extremist courts and about original The

535
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,960
Atlantic had a whole article about how
the Originalism is a fraud. They ignored

536
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:19,480
the three non origin Kazanji Brown Jackson
noted originalist scholar. Well, so it

537
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,039
was just made me laugh that they
really like nothing. So there's literally nothing

538
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:28,239
that can stop them from saying maga
extremist court nin Oh, they don't care.

539
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:34,760
We've seen so much persecution of attorneys
who did anything to help Republican political

540
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:40,280
candidates in the twenty twenty election,
and that has included disbarment proceedings and just

541
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:46,760
all sorts of attacks on them.
These attorneys who pushed this dangerous idea to

542
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:53,480
disenfranchise tens of millions of voters by
removing ballot access for their candidate, they're

543
00:40:53,519 --> 00:41:00,000
just like walking freely. And an
example of one is Michael Ludig, who

544
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,639
who has completely lost his brain.
And I just want to also mention that

545
00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:09,800
he was who conservatives thought George W. Bush should have put on the Supreme

546
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:14,800
Court instead of John Roberts. He
was kind of the conservative candidate for the

547
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,079
court. And so I know George
W. Bush gets a lot of heat,

548
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:27,199
but John Roberts is almost certainly a
far better choice than Michael Ludig.

549
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,480
Now maybe you could say that there
were better options than him as well,

550
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:36,480
and Michael he almost also put on
Harriet Meyer and Roberts, right, so

551
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:39,920
those I don't know that he was
great on that issue, but please go

552
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,760
on. Well, Ludig had lived
his life hoping to be a Supreme Court

553
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,800
justice, and he was on the
shortlist, and he I think it's you

554
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,599
know, I'm not sure if it's
been published, but it's definitely well known

555
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:58,480
that he humiliated himself in his interview
and he never recovered from that, and

556
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:04,559
he immediately stepped down off of the
federal bench and he became he sort of

557
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,719
likes when took a big paycheck from
Boeing Boeing, which has had some trouble

558
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:14,960
recently, and he is now very
uneven mentally. I don't know if there's

559
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,000
I don't know what's going on there. I mean, I think there might

560
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:23,039
be personal problems of some kind or
he's not making much sense, and yet

561
00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:28,440
corporate media put him on constantly to
talk about Orange Man bad and they act

562
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:36,719
like he's a respected lawyer, when
that definitely was true in twenty years ago,

563
00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:40,559
and it has become increasingly less true
every year. I mean, he

564
00:42:42,679 --> 00:42:45,280
teamed up I believe I'm right about
this with Lawrence Tribe, another person who's

565
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:50,840
lost his mind to write a long
piece, you know, defending taking Trump

566
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:55,199
off ballots. His main purpose is
every time I see an article or a

567
00:42:55,239 --> 00:43:00,760
headline that's like revered conservative judicial experts
says Trump or whatever, I always know

568
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:06,440
it's going to be floodtig in there, and so you know that's what he's

569
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:10,840
used for. But we should say
there was another So many things happened that

570
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,639
sometimes you forget, but really quickly
before before you go on to the other

571
00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:19,039
one. I do also want to
point out that principled conservative. Sorry,

572
00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:22,599
anytime I hear the phrase principled conservative, I know it's an unprincipled non conservative,

573
00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:28,000
but principled conservative. David French,
writing for The New York Times,

574
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,480
came out far, far, far
far to the left of Katanji Brown Jackson,

575
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:37,000
and it was a stunning display to
see that. He said, like

576
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,760
the court was just making everything up
and they had rejected the Constitution. And

577
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,519
David French has lot I know he's
going through a lot too, but like

578
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,920
he has lost his mind and is
now far to the left of KJB.

579
00:43:51,639 --> 00:43:55,920
And this was the man that was
held up as the lecturer of Christians and

580
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,599
conservatives. Does it does not?
Does it not concern anyone that there would

581
00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:07,559
be an arms race in this if
Colorado can simply take candidate off and accuse

582
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:10,400
him of insurrection, which text it
Yeah, yeah, I mean there's no

583
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,360
due process. They're okay, fine, let's say the let's just for arguments

584
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:20,000
sake, say the Constitution or the
founder's envision that happening. So what stops

585
00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:22,199
Texas from taking Biden off? In
Florida from taking Biden off? And then

586
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:28,360
you just have this arms race of
people taking ags, taking candidates a ballots.

587
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,360
I mean, doesn't that bother David
French? Did they not see that

588
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:35,719
this is a possibility, David,
I'm not sure if you forgot what David

589
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:44,159
French would say, which is orange
man bad So counterpoint, I'm living just

590
00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:45,880
in a political sense of my life
is wonderful. I'm very happy. But

591
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:52,880
in a political sense, I'm living
through hell because every they make me defend

592
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:58,679
Trump. It's just fine. Trump
is the good guy. Now somehow it's

593
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,360
not right, and this is my
life, Like you know, I just,

594
00:45:02,119 --> 00:45:05,639
I just This is why I wrote
a piece. I think the Supreme

595
00:45:05,679 --> 00:45:09,360
Court is the last properly functioning institution
in American life. I do think that's

596
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,599
true. I think it's the only
thing that's working. And I really pray

597
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,239
that people on both left and right
understand how delicate that situation is. I

598
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,880
do not. They want to destroy
the court. Left wants to destroy the

599
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,800
court. Okay, So the second
thing you were about to say was that

600
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:31,039
the Court agreed to hear Donald Trump's
appeal on one of the Jack Smith cases

601
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:37,400
about whether he has absolute presidential immunity
from being charged with the with the Jack

602
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:42,559
Smith crimes. I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think he has absolute

603
00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:45,920
immunity. But what made me laugh
was that Jack Smith asked for this.

604
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:52,000
The Court says, okay, the
expedite it, but the schedule does not.

605
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,719
You know, they didn't ask Rachel
Maddow how they schedule it. So

606
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:01,920
it seems like that they'll have something
in June maybe, and that means that

607
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:07,000
the trial, they can't have a
trial before the election, And by complaining

608
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:10,320
about this, they're just admitting that
that's what the trial is for. But

609
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,840
moreover, this is the most important
thing that's ever happened in American history.

610
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,480
But the Court's supposed to take a
week and come up with an answer to

611
00:46:17,519 --> 00:46:23,280
this very authornity constitutional question that will
set precedent forever. They don't care about

612
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:27,679
democracy. This is all lawfair stuff, is all about just getting Trump.

613
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,760
And they had basically admit that this
is the only way they think that Joe

614
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,960
Biden can win by these you know, Chris Hayes, whoever else was complaining

615
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,159
about it. At least that's how
I see it. So I have not

616
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:44,199
studied the arguments well enough to know
what I personally think on the presidential immunity

617
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,880
question. From a thirty thousand foot
view, I've kind of viewed it as

618
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:52,559
a win win no matter what they
decide, meaning I kind of would like

619
00:46:52,760 --> 00:47:00,480
to hold previous presidents accountable for some
of what they did. The lower ruling,

620
00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:02,039
near as I can tell, kind
of says, yes, presidents have

621
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:07,679
immunity for their official acts, but
these were not official acts. So therefore

622
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:15,880
unofficial acts that are done in office
can be prosecuted, which will open everybody

623
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,400
up to much litigation. But I
also I'm happy about that, and I

624
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,239
hope the right realizes they can do
that. Now. If oh yes,

625
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,400
I'm sure they will wake up in
no time and start responding in kind.

626
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:31,159
Presidents break the law all the time
outside of their normal you know, presidential

627
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:35,000
duties and functions, and they should
be held accountable for those things. Now,

628
00:47:35,079 --> 00:47:37,199
I want to say, I think
the case he has in this regard

629
00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:40,719
is terrible, you know what I'm
saying, Like, I think the what's

630
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:45,239
it called the insurrectionist case is ridiculous, but I think the immunity case isn't

631
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,800
great either. I just, first
off, want to say something that I

632
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:53,000
thought was hilarious that I've read from
Kurt Schlichter, who is a conservative journalist

633
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,639
and attorney, and he was pointing
out he said he thought that the court

634
00:47:57,639 --> 00:48:02,280
would say that you don't have immunity
for acts that are not official, that

635
00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:07,360
it would then send it back to
the lower court to determine which acts were

636
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:12,199
official in which acts weren't, at
which point, you know, part of

637
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:21,079
Jack Smith's argument is based on President
Trump's tweets, and during the previous Trump

638
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:27,840
presidency, the resistance filed a lawsuit
to prevent him from blocking people on Twitter,

639
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:34,239
and the decision was that, in
fact, President Trump could not block

640
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:40,119
people on Twitter because tweets sent by
the president are official acts of the president

641
00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:44,719
and therefore he has no right to
block. And Kurt Schliffer was like,

642
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:51,679
wouldn't it be hilarious if this previous
resistance campaign ends up completely saving Trump in

643
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:58,400
this later election or in this later
prosecution. I don't know. It just

644
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,079
struck me as funny, but yeah, can I just really quickly say something

645
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:04,760
about the order of events here?
Yeah, you're right. He asked the

646
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:09,039
Supreme Court to expedite review of the
question of presidential immunity, and the Court

647
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:13,320
said, no, Donald Trump might
be hated by you, but he gets

648
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,360
his normal procedures. So it went
back to the DC Circuits panel of three

649
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,559
people who rushed through a decision,
got it done in like a matter of

650
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:24,159
hours, at which point and then
said, you don't get to appeal this

651
00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:27,960
to the full court because you're Donald
Trump and you're bad, So we have

652
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,400
different standards for you that we never
use in this court. You either if

653
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,840
you appeal it to the full Court, We're going to let the lower court

654
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,880
continue with the proceeding because the whole
point is to prosecute and convict you before

655
00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:43,679
the election. So if you don't
want to, if you don't want that,

656
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,079
your only option is to appeal to
the Supreme Court directly. So he

657
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:52,000
appeals to the Supreme Court directly,
which Jacksmith had already done back in December

658
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:57,360
and gotten slapped down. And the
court considers, obviously it's an incredibly important

659
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,639
issue, and so they decide to
take it take it up. The arguments

660
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:05,360
will be in April, the decision
will likely come down at the end of

661
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,920
June. And then depending on what
that decision is, if it's favorable to

662
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:15,199
the political prosecution of Trump, then
the judge Tanya Chuckkin, who's like the

663
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:23,159
descendant of Marxists activists in the Islands, she will get the trial going,

664
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:28,079
but it'll take a couple months to
get that going, and so the trial

665
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,960
might not start until like after Labor
Day of the election year. And so

666
00:50:32,039 --> 00:50:40,159
you will have Biden's Department of Justice
prosecuting Biden's political opponent. In the weeks

667
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:45,719
leading up to the election, all
in a race against time to make sure

668
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:52,320
that the opponent is convicted in a
Stalinist Putinist style before the election. It's

669
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:58,440
insane, so so not ironic,
but pretty notable. Is that all Chrisses,

670
00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:02,639
especially but others. That's only one
I watched complain that the that the

671
00:51:02,639 --> 00:51:07,440
Supreme Court is corrupt because it's creating
a timeline to make sure that he has

672
00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:13,000
not tried before the election. When
Jack Smith waited a year. This happened

673
00:51:13,559 --> 00:51:16,760
in January of twenty twenty one.
All of this supposedly, and he purposely

674
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:22,199
waited to try to write I mean
the first the DOJ and then he tried

675
00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:25,800
to, you know, to make
sure that this truck coincided in the thick

676
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,920
of the election. They're the ones
who were trying to get a timeline going.

677
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,079
The Supreme Court is acting as it
does in any case of this nature.

678
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,920
In fact, it's probably expediting it
in a way that they wouldn't most

679
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,400
often. And yet they were the
ones complaining about timelines because, you know,

680
00:51:39,559 --> 00:51:44,480
does it interferes with their lawfair schedule, I mean, the gall of

681
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:46,719
these people. One other issue I
want to point out, the Supreme Court

682
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:54,360
already agreed to hear arguments from one
of the J six protesters about whether a

683
00:51:54,800 --> 00:52:00,519
Sarbin's Oxley provision being used by Biden's
Department of Justice this is appropriate or not

684
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:08,119
to to It's been used to amplify
or you know, make worse what the

685
00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:12,880
J six people did, and it
was supposed to be used for financial proceedings

686
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,840
about obstruction of congressional investigations or something
like that. And I think the court

687
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:22,719
will almost certainly rule that this was
an inappropriate use of the Sarbanes Oxley provision.

688
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:29,639
It's the lower court ruling, which
was a little bit of a confused

689
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:34,360
ruling, included just like sort of
an air tight explanation of why this was,

690
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:38,599
why this was wrong, even though
the two Democrat justices on the panel

691
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:45,039
were otherwise okay. I think Trump
has four J six related charges. Two

692
00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:49,239
of them are related to this,
and those two will then be thrown out,

693
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,159
and then the other two I think
related to tweets, which, as

694
00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:57,960
we just discovered, you know,
might also not work out so well.

695
00:52:58,119 --> 00:53:02,719
So Jacksmith's case is kind of crumble. I also think that the J six

696
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:07,599
case was thrown together precisely because the
real case he was working on, which

697
00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:13,159
was the argument that if you're a
senator or a vice president and you mishandle

698
00:53:13,199 --> 00:53:16,280
classified documents, that's awesome, But
if you're a president and you have a

699
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:21,920
document dispute, you should go to
jail. That case is not proceeding with

700
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,039
the pace he wanted down in the
Florida Court because the judge down in the

701
00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:29,519
Florida Court is just like a normal
judge instead of a partisan judge, so

702
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:32,599
she's, you know, hearing all
arguments and taking the normal pace of time

703
00:53:32,679 --> 00:53:37,320
for a case like this. So
he like rushes out the J six case.

704
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,360
That's partly, you know, partly
what's going on here. But I

705
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,719
do love how he keeps saying you
have to rush this, you have to

706
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,320
do it right now, But he
never says why. It's just like asserted,

707
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:52,800
you have to speed this through.
It is a vital importance. The

708
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:57,239
only reason it's a vital importance is
because it's an election interference prosecution. But

709
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:04,159
he can't say that without harming him. On this insurrectionist stuff on J six

710
00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:07,880
stuff, a lot of it is
speech related, and I just find it

711
00:54:07,039 --> 00:54:13,159
really offensive, not because I just
it would create precedents where virtually any politician

712
00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:19,320
could be charged with insurrection. Think
about if you are a justice on the

713
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,519
Supreme Court, and a couple of
years ago, the Senate Majority Leader Chuck

714
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:29,679
Schumer went on the steps of the
Supreme Court and called for violence against you,

715
00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:32,599
So that would be course, it
was a veiled threat. But yeah,

716
00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:37,599
it was a threat to release the
whirlwind. Yeah, yeah, you

717
00:54:37,679 --> 00:54:40,039
will pay the price is what was
said. You will pay the price.

718
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:45,280
It was perceived as a as a
call for violence. And I will point

719
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:51,360
out that one of those justices did
face an assassination threat and an armed gunman

720
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:55,440
who was attempting to kill him and
his family. Okay, Department of Justice

721
00:54:55,519 --> 00:55:01,519
didn't even look into it. An
actual call for insurrection against the Supreme Court,

722
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:06,559
and Department of Justice didn't look into
it. Nobody called it an insurrection.

723
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,519
Nobody really like even remembers that this
happens. And you're being asked to

724
00:55:09,559 --> 00:55:15,000
hear a case about someone who said
go peacefully and patriotically to the Capitol and

725
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:21,079
make your voice heard, and they're
being asked to say that was a violent

726
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,840
call, a call for violent insurrection. When you experienced what you experienced on

727
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,960
the steps of the Court, just
a few years earlier. Are you kidding

728
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,039
me like I've been? I'm sure
you remember. But for a while there,

729
00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:37,199
while Trump was president, there was
a movement among Democrats and among pundits

730
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:44,480
to make Trump officials uncomfortable, to
or Ted Kruz to go to a restaurant,

731
00:55:44,519 --> 00:55:47,119
don't let him sit there, like
to get into people's space, their

732
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:52,000
physical their families, you know,
make them uncomfortable. And that was,

733
00:55:52,119 --> 00:55:53,639
you know, it was fine.
I forget what the you know, rationale.

734
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,400
I mean, I don't the rationale
is clear, but I forget what

735
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,000
their justifications were for doing that.
But yeah, but you know, I

736
00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:04,960
read those Trump First of all,
they always have one of the Trump tweets.

737
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,280
But right after that he tweeted again
to say be peaceful or something of

738
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,679
that nature. And yet they never
even talk about that. Now, again,

739
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:15,199
I think his rhetoric was wrong,
but the idea, and I don't

740
00:56:15,199 --> 00:56:17,800
think Schumer should be investigated either,
honestly for his statements. I think we

741
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:23,599
have to give it the widest latitude
of free expression, and Trump is afforded

742
00:56:23,639 --> 00:56:27,920
that just like anyone else, or
should be so. A few weeks ago,

743
00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:31,840
Politico had a story about a dangerous
new thing that was happening in DC,

744
00:56:32,639 --> 00:56:37,639
which was people going to like Anthony
Blincoln's home to protest. I was

745
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:40,960
like, are you kidding me?
Right now? Are you kidding me?

746
00:56:42,199 --> 00:56:46,320
You know, Politico, which actually
probably helped produce the assassination attempt against Kavanaugh

747
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:55,079
by publishing the decision, the Dobbs
decision before it was finalized, says there's

748
00:56:55,119 --> 00:57:00,440
like a new thing happening because they
were so happy when this was happening to

749
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:05,320
Trump officials and their children, their
underaged children, which happened in my neighborhood.

750
00:57:06,199 --> 00:57:10,840
But as soon as it happens to
one of their beloved partisans, then

751
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:15,360
now it's a problem. Weren't they
doing it to like Amy, Amy Coney

752
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:16,360
Barrett too. I mean, I
think they were in front of the houses

753
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:22,639
of all the court justices, I
mean the originalists, not all, not

754
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:28,639
all of them, because some of
them don't have particularly easy houses to access.

755
00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:30,440
But you know, and by the
way, even that is a problem.

756
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:35,119
If you can't live in a normal
neighborhood because left wing activists are trying

757
00:57:35,159 --> 00:57:37,400
to kill you, that's not good. You want your judges living in a

758
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,280
normal neighborhood. Justice too, It's
tough because you don't, you know,

759
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:44,360
you have an a lot you're allowed
to protest. I think people have you

760
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,199
know, for instance, what's that
law called where abortion protesters aren't allowed to

761
00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:51,320
go near abor, you know,
closer to abortion, like they're special rules

762
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,880
for certain protesters. Base. Yeah, I mean those things are clearly unconstitutional

763
00:57:57,199 --> 00:58:02,440
in my view. So anyway,
let's severer away from politics tuckle culture.

764
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:07,719
To wrap up, I actually watched
a few things this week. I'll just

765
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:12,960
give you two feeld good movies I
watched that We're both not very memorable.

766
00:58:14,039 --> 00:58:20,119
One was made in Italy on Netflix. It has so it has Liam Neeson

767
00:58:20,159 --> 00:58:23,440
and his real life son and he's
a widower and you know, he lost

768
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:29,559
his mom, which is happened in
real life. Miranda Richardson is his wife

769
00:58:29,639 --> 00:58:32,800
and so on, and I thought
the movie was just meh. I think

770
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:37,639
mostly because Liam Neeson's son doesn't know
how to act. Yeah. And the

771
00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:42,599
other field good one was called House
of Dave, which is a movie in

772
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:49,079
British movie about this guy in a
small northern British English town who wants to

773
00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:52,559
start his own bank so it can
help locals who don't have a lot of

774
00:58:52,599 --> 00:59:02,440
money. There's a lot of like
socialistic propaganda within this movie, but I

775
00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:05,920
think it's heart was in the right
place. So if you can get over

776
00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:09,599
a lot like you'd be under the
impression that banks don't lend money to people

777
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,559
like normal people, which I don't
think is the case even in Britain.

778
00:59:13,639 --> 00:59:15,519
But anyway, it was, it
was Okay, I have more, but

779
00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:20,119
let me hear some of yours first. Oh, I don't really have much,

780
00:59:20,519 --> 00:59:22,800
but I do want to share a
message I got from my friend Katie,

781
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:29,239
who's this like beautiful young mother.
She says, listening to the culture

782
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:34,480
section of your podcast is eerily similar
to watching an old movie with my parents,

783
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,960
where they're just constantly asking each other
what other movie they saw that one

784
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:45,639
guy in that one time we are
bad with names. I would just like

785
00:59:45,679 --> 00:59:47,280
want to be like Katie, just
wait till you're older, okay, and

786
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:52,880
then you will know what that's like. Did you see the reader email about

787
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,239
you know, how I'd talked about
seeing that We Are the World video?

788
00:59:55,320 --> 01:00:00,400
Yeah, and there was this reader
who said he kind of greed. I

789
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,440
think it was a he he agreed
with what I was saying about it not

790
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:07,440
being like the most amazing documentary,
but he said that he said this thing

791
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,679
which I actually felt at the time, but he articulated really well about what

792
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:15,800
struck him about the documentary is it's
all these like top pop stars, some

793
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:21,519
black, some white, and there
is like no problem between these people.

794
01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:25,039
There's no racism between these people,
like I think there was. There were

795
01:00:25,079 --> 01:00:30,920
a few like things about race that
were playing into the documentary, Like one

796
01:00:30,239 --> 01:00:35,199
the whole idea of doing it was
because a lot of black artists felt like,

797
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:37,280
you know, they've done the do
they know it's Christmas over in the

798
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:43,079
UK for Feeding Africa, and a
bunch of black artists were like, we

799
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:45,880
should, this is really something we
should do. So the genesis comes from

800
01:00:46,199 --> 01:00:51,360
some of the top black artists and
producers. But and then at the end

801
01:00:51,559 --> 01:00:55,079
there's a line from someone I think
it was either Quincy Jones or Lionel Richie

802
01:00:55,119 --> 01:01:00,440
where they're talking about how they were
really impressed that the white that the people

803
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,000
brought it, like the white people
really did a good job on the recording,

804
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,880
but everyone's getting along. There's so
much like racial harmony, and it

805
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:12,039
was kind of sad given what we're
dealing with now, where like everything was

806
01:01:12,159 --> 01:01:16,039
like racially awful and tense and you
know, people everything has to be like

807
01:01:16,679 --> 01:01:21,559
focused so much on identity, and
it was not that way. And because

808
01:01:21,559 --> 01:01:23,960
I was alive during that time,
like I remember that it was nice.

809
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:30,480
It was a nicer you know,
and as a kid, but living in

810
01:01:31,239 --> 01:01:37,239
places where you know, I was
a minority in a place where I lived

811
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:43,440
in California and then in Colorado,
there was just it was nice. Does

812
01:01:43,559 --> 01:01:45,639
am I making any sense there?
No, you are, I don't remember.

813
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,519
Listen. I'm not going to pretend
I grew up in some huge,

814
01:01:50,599 --> 01:01:53,920
multicultural, multi racial area, but
there were plenty of people of other races

815
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:58,679
around where I grew up, and
I know there were some racial tensions sometimes,

816
01:01:58,719 --> 01:02:04,440
but there was not this like constant
identitarian view of the world all the

817
01:02:04,519 --> 01:02:07,320
time, everything having to do with
race. And I thought things were at

818
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,800
least from you know, I thought
things were getting better in the country.

819
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:14,440
I think honestly, when Obama became
president, we took a wrong turn there,

820
01:02:14,679 --> 01:02:16,519
you know, not electing him because
he was black, but because he

821
01:02:16,599 --> 01:02:22,000
then instead of things getting better somehow
he made things worse. He was constantly

822
01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:28,119
obsessing over race rather than getting over
race. And since then, I just

823
01:02:28,119 --> 01:02:30,800
think we've been headed in an okay
verbal direction since I was in articulate,

824
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:36,119
I'd actually liked to read the email
which I just found. So this guy

825
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:40,000
Jason said that as he was watching
the closing credits and watching everyone say goodbye,

826
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:44,400
it struck him like seeing the ghost
of a lost loved one. He

827
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:50,239
says, nobody, nobody during that
nineteen eighty five experience cared one lick about

828
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,920
race. It was talent, admiring
talent. They were beyond race differences,

829
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:59,760
and that attitude reflected where we were
going as a society. Nobody can put

830
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:01,880
a percented john how far along we
were. But as a kid of the

831
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:07,639
eighties growing up in Ohio, I
believed that racism was a thing of the

832
01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:12,079
past. I believed that, so
I cried when I saw that lost memory

833
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:16,719
documented. We have regressed so much
since nineteen eighty five, and he goes

834
01:03:16,719 --> 01:03:21,960
on, but I felt that when
I read that, I was like,

835
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,159
that articulates kind of something I was
feeling from there. So I also,

836
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:29,599
I've been traveling a lot, so
I haven't been able to watch my stories

837
01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:35,119
on my rowing machine. But I
was home for an afternoon and began watching

838
01:03:35,159 --> 01:03:39,400
a new documentary called I Think it's
called Nolan, so it's about Nolan Ryan.

839
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:44,079
Woh, and I'm enjoying it.
Speaking of crying, I gave up

840
01:03:44,119 --> 01:03:49,719
baseball because Major League Baseball attacked Georgia
for having slightly improved its voter laws.

841
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,960
And that was years ago, and
so I haven't watched baseball since then.

842
01:03:52,519 --> 01:03:58,679
And there are some scenes watching Nolan
Ryan have these like amazing closings or you

843
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,320
know, just other great performance says, and it made me cry. Well.

844
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:04,719
I was rowing because I just love
baseball so much and I love pitching

845
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:11,639
so much. There's molly rowing and
crying. Yeah, I have not watched

846
01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:14,400
that. I will. Actually,
I'm not going to let them take away

847
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:19,559
baseball that easily, though. I
was very annoyed by that entire episode.

848
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:24,679
Did you see the letter writer who
asked if there was any way for you

849
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,119
to come back to baseball, if
you could get over it. There was

850
01:04:28,119 --> 01:04:31,280
a letter writer I don't exactly remember
how she phrased it. She asked she

851
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,599
thought I had given up baseball too, which I haven't, but is there

852
01:04:34,639 --> 01:04:38,480
do you think you will come back
to baseball? I would come back you

853
01:04:38,639 --> 01:04:44,000
back in a heartbeat if they apologized, And I know that's not going to

854
01:04:44,039 --> 01:04:47,320
happen, but to me to have
any sort of dignity for myself, I

855
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,039
need them to apologize. And I, by the way, even know that

856
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:55,840
they think they've apologized by bringing the
All Star Game back to Atlanta and by

857
01:04:55,960 --> 01:05:01,119
moving away from some of their extremist
political stances. I need them to apologize.

858
01:05:01,719 --> 01:05:03,960
That's why I kind of like mention
it. I don't know, people

859
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:09,679
knows. I mentioned it on TV
all the time, just gratuitously because I'm

860
01:05:09,719 --> 01:05:13,599
still so upset about it. You
know, I think that MLB got caught

861
01:05:13,719 --> 01:05:17,760
up in that whole Black Lives Matter
thing, and it was more. It

862
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:21,920
was more that these corporations were scared
that they would be fingered as not being

863
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,800
on board, you know, so
they did a lot of dumb things.

864
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,039
I will say, I think there's
been a backlash, as you mentioned.

865
01:05:29,199 --> 01:05:31,239
Also in hockey, which I am
a big fan of, there's Pride night,

866
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,920
you know, and it was the
other night, and the New York

867
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:39,280
Rangers, a team that I follow, does not make the play. They

868
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,320
do not make the players wear any
kind of special warm up jersey, you

869
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,840
know, with the with the rainbow
flag or anything like that. And there's

870
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:48,599
a lot of kind of and this
is New York City, you know,

871
01:05:48,639 --> 01:05:53,239
and there's blowback, but they they
don't do it because I believe some of

872
01:05:53,239 --> 01:05:55,719
the players are religious and wouldn't wear
it, and they don't want them to

873
01:05:55,800 --> 01:06:00,360
be, you know, attacked.
So I don't know. Hopefully there was

874
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:04,760
a bit of pushback to all this
kind of kind of stuff. I also

875
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:09,760
read. I read a book.
We never talked about the books we read.

876
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:14,039
We should do that, But I
read a book by Michael Isikoff and

877
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:17,119
someone else about It was called Find
Me the Votes, and it was this

878
01:06:17,519 --> 01:06:24,800
political hagiography of Funny Willis. And
you know how you know, there are

879
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:28,679
always these stories from people who are
writers about how they published a book on

880
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,960
nine to eleven, which was like
the worst day to ever publish a book.

881
01:06:31,199 --> 01:06:33,920
This book came out at the end
of January, and I almost felt

882
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:38,119
badly for them, Like what it's
all about, how Funny Willis is the

883
01:06:38,119 --> 01:06:43,119
most amazing human being who ever walked
the earth, And it's like released right

884
01:06:43,159 --> 01:06:46,000
at the time when she's on she's
having to give testimony about how she lied

885
01:06:46,039 --> 01:06:54,559
about hiring her secret married lover boyfriend
who was otherwise unqualified to help her with

886
01:06:54,599 --> 01:07:00,360
this political prosecution of Trump and other
Republicans, and it just ages poorly in

887
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:04,360
light of you know, what's come
out in these proceedings. But one thing

888
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:08,559
that I thought was funny about it
is that Michael Issakov, who I think

889
01:07:08,599 --> 01:07:12,199
a lot of people know from he
was related to the Monica Lewinsky story,

890
01:07:12,239 --> 01:07:15,199
but I always think about him as
the person who was the first to write

891
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:19,800
the Russia collusion. He was the
gulible reporter who was like, yeah,

892
01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:25,079
all spread your Russia collusion lies,
and it was picked up and used to

893
01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:29,119
spy against innocent Americans. So that's
his claim to pay. But I had

894
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:32,119
some respect for him honestly years ago, way before that, because he would

895
01:07:32,239 --> 01:07:35,599
go after Democrats if he had a
good story. But then after the Russia

896
01:07:35,639 --> 01:07:39,880
collusion thing, you know, kind
of fell apart. Well, anyway,

897
01:07:40,119 --> 01:07:43,920
the story this book has all this
stuff about like Fannie Willis and her secret

898
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,760
married lover being in a car together
or at other locations away from the office

899
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:51,119
together, like you read the book
and they're constantly together, like he knew

900
01:07:51,519 --> 01:07:56,039
man nothing, But no he doesn't
say like either he knew and he hit

901
01:07:56,119 --> 01:07:59,400
it or he didn't figure out that
these people were knocking boots and it just

902
01:07:59,559 --> 01:08:02,440
cracks me up, like nothing gets
past this guy. But one thing I

903
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,360
loved about it, and I will
be writing about this, is that they

904
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:11,360
admit something that I had long suspected. So sorry to be political in our

905
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:16,119
culture, but there were these two
leaked phone calls to the Washington Post about

906
01:08:16,119 --> 01:08:19,279
Georgia. The first one was not
a leak of a phone call. It

907
01:08:19,319 --> 01:08:23,520
was more like a leak of a
characterization of a phone call. And then

908
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,079
later the actual transcript came out.
It turned out it wasn't true, and

909
01:08:27,119 --> 01:08:30,680
the Washington Post admitted that the person
who falsely characterized that was this woman named

910
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:36,439
Jordan Fuchs. The second call I
always assumed was leaked by Jordan Fuchs.

911
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:41,800
She's the chief of staff for Brad
Raffensberger. Not an elections expert, but

912
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:46,319
definitely like a political pugilist, and
she hates Donald Trump and his supporters,

913
01:08:46,359 --> 01:08:53,039
and so she was just very political
during the disputes down there. I had

914
01:08:53,199 --> 01:08:59,880
long suspected that she had taped the
phone call in Florida and not Georgia.

915
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:05,119
And the reason why that's significant is
that Florida requires consent from all parties being

916
01:09:05,159 --> 01:09:10,640
taped on phone calls, and Georgia
does not, and so if she taped

917
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:15,199
it in Georgia, that would have
been illegal. And the book admits that

918
01:09:15,239 --> 01:09:20,359
she taped it in Florida, that
that is illegal. That that is why

919
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:26,359
Liz Cheney did not call her to
testify in the show trial up in DC,

920
01:09:27,079 --> 01:09:30,560
because of the political exposure. And
the reason why this is significant is

921
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:36,359
the whole book lays out the case
that the phone call is the entire basis

922
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:44,119
of the entire prosecution of everybody that
Fannie Willis is prosecuting, and if it

923
01:09:44,159 --> 01:09:50,960
were illegally taped, that means that
the entire prosecution could be thrown out because

924
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:55,920
of the fruit of the poison tree. And in the book they say,

925
01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:00,039
a, if Florida decides to prosecute
for this law breaking just a misdemeanor,

926
01:10:00,359 --> 01:10:04,159
and b her defense could be that
she did it for law enforcement purposes.

927
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:08,520
But of course she couldn't say that
because she leaked it within a matter of

928
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:12,720
minutes to the Washington Post. She
did not record it for law enforcement.

929
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:17,399
She recorded it for political gain.
So interesting. I'm sorry that was so.

930
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:24,000
If I remember correctly, the quote
was characterized just slightly off to make

931
01:10:24,039 --> 01:10:28,359
it sound like he, like Trump
said find these votes, when he what

932
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:30,920
was it? What did the actually
Well, that's the other issue with it

933
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,560
is that the phone call has always
been mischaracterized. So the Trump team had

934
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:39,800
a bunch of stupid lawsuits like elsewhere, but in Georgia, the lawsuit was

935
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,840
really good. Everyone kind of acknowledges
that they had different buckets of voters that

936
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,159
they were worried about them being illegal
votes, and they were right, by

937
01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:54,439
the way, greater than the margin
of victory included illegally cast votes. And

938
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:58,800
this is where people went from one
county to another but voted in the previous

939
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,079
county, like they moved from one
to another but voted in the previous county.

940
01:11:01,119 --> 01:11:04,920
It's kind of a long standing problem
in Georgia that election experts there have

941
01:11:05,039 --> 01:11:09,520
been trying to get the Secretary of
State to care about. So yeah,

942
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:14,479
when Trump, in his like completely
inarticulate phone call that was rambling in a

943
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:16,640
mess, says find me this number
of votes, what he's saying is like,

944
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,399
you don't have to agree on all
one hundred and fifty thousand votes that

945
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:25,239
we think are questionable, but if
you could agree with like greater than the

946
01:11:25,279 --> 01:11:30,039
margin of victory, then we can
proceed here. And so the call itself

947
01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:35,439
actually wasn't wrong. It's been mischaracterized. But also it was illegally taped,

948
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:40,880
and that tape was used to then
begin a crazy prosecution. There were other

949
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:44,640
problems with Fanie Willis, by the
way. For instance, she's saying that

950
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,640
people who were alternate electors broke the
law because they were trying to present themselves

951
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:51,319
as something other than what they were, But she had a transcript of the

952
01:11:51,319 --> 01:11:57,119
meeting where they decided it that includes
David Schaeffer saying, I just want to

953
01:11:57,119 --> 01:12:00,640
make sure we're clear on this.
We're not presenting ourselves as the electors.

954
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,399
We're doing this in case we win
this court case. You see what I'm

955
01:12:03,399 --> 01:12:08,000
saying. Like, so, everything's
wrong about it. But even if she

956
01:12:08,039 --> 01:12:12,079
gets to proceed, the fact that
they admitted that this tape was illegally procured

957
01:12:12,079 --> 01:12:15,560
should provide another avenue of defense for
all these people. Interesting. You know,

958
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:23,680
I used to quite often take people
illegally called me politicians to have their

959
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,399
you know, they would yell at
me or whatever. I would tape it

960
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:30,439
and I'm not sure if where I
was I needed their consent, But I

961
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:34,119
would do that because their liars,
and they would mischaracterize things or lie to

962
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,840
you know, I would quote them
and then they would lie and say they

963
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,960
didn't say it. So I would
just take people. I do not do

964
01:12:42,079 --> 01:12:45,079
that anymore because I don't know how
to tape people on cell phones. I

965
01:12:45,079 --> 01:12:48,960
think we should advertise our podcast as
a place where the hosts casually admit to

966
01:12:49,039 --> 01:12:54,760
crimes. I've destroyed those tapes.
I had Bill Owen's on one of those

967
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:58,159
tapes, yelling at Me, which
was my favorite one which I listened to

968
01:12:58,199 --> 01:13:02,680
occasionally. I can't believe. Okay, I don't get into Colorado, but

969
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:08,960
I can't believe how left wing Colorado
has become. It's really kind of incredible.

970
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:12,600
Okay. So here I watched the
show called a Tourist. It's on

971
01:13:13,239 --> 01:13:16,479
Netflix. I was confused because it's
set twenty twenty four, but it's and

972
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,079
it's a show I thought I had
watched on HBO Max like a year ago,

973
01:13:19,159 --> 01:13:23,000
but this is just the second season. It's moved over. It's with

974
01:13:23,119 --> 01:13:29,920
the guy who's Irish, who was
in those movies, the sado masochistic sex

975
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:32,359
movies. What are they called shade
Shades of gray or whatever. Oh yeah,

976
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,439
fifty shades of gray. Fifty shades
of gray. I don't know,

977
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:40,960
let's explain these things. So but
it's actually a mystery and it's good.

978
01:13:41,159 --> 01:13:45,560
I would recommend it. It's it's
not it's violent, but it's not like

979
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,199
terrible, terrible. And the other
thing I did was, and I want

980
01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:53,239
to stress again that I love Peter
Fowk like he is now, like he's

981
01:13:53,279 --> 01:13:56,600
a hero to me. I just
think he's the grace after I love Colombo.

982
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:00,079
Actually read a book called Shooting Colombo
this week, which is about the

983
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:02,520
show. But because I'm so into
him, I went and watched John Cassavetti's

984
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:06,159
rewatched John Cassavetti's movies He's were in, which are like kind of the indie

985
01:14:06,199 --> 01:14:12,159
movies of the seventies. I watched
Husbands, which was with Ben Gazzara,

986
01:14:12,279 --> 01:14:17,159
John Cassavetti's and Peter fock one set. You know, it's an acquired taste.

987
01:14:17,199 --> 01:14:18,800
I don't know if it's for everyone. And then I watched a movie

988
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:23,800
called Nicky and Mickey or Mickey and
Nicky I Forget, which was directed by

989
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:29,279
Ellen may It's like this movie that's
quite yeah, this movie that's quite famous

990
01:14:29,279 --> 01:14:32,199
because it took she went like over
budget, like Ishtar kind of thing where

991
01:14:32,199 --> 01:14:35,039
she went, you know, she
also directed Ishtar. That was her next

992
01:14:35,119 --> 01:14:39,399
movie, so she didn't direct for
like ten years. But it's this movie

993
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:43,920
that went way over budget and like
it was just nuts. The studio took

994
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,079
control of it, this and that. But it's John Cassavetti's and Peter Fock

995
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:50,119
and it's a fun watch. And
what I enjoy a lot about these movies

996
01:14:50,119 --> 01:14:55,479
is probably not its intent is just
to see like New York and city scapes

997
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:59,520
in the seventies and how it looked
like and how run down it is and

998
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:01,800
how dirty it is, and it's
just and how different it is, and

999
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:06,439
to me, that's fun. So
that's all I have on culture. Anything

1000
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:13,520
else from you, no, Okay, Well, it's nice talking to you,

1001
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:15,960
Molly. I hope you have fun
on your travel during your travels,

1002
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,319
and everyone else will see you next
week. Until then, you lovers are

1003
01:15:19,319 --> 01:15:23,960
freedom and anxious for the fray.
To me, what today that comes after

1004
01:15:24,199 --> 01:15:30,159
Monday to what today gone very far? Wednesday? To me, what today