WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:13.240 Third lap the podcast with Alejandro Gaviría and Ricardo Silva Romero, a podcast from 2 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:21.000 the locutorio shoots the locutorio of that self that I go hunting for bookstores of 3 00:00:21.120 --> 00:00:26.320 old found. Probably relatives, no, but old, valuable books with very 4 00:00:26.399 --> 00:00:31.640 beautiful and very personal dedications that one would think of relatives. Whoever wants to 5 00:00:31.719 --> 00:00:34.520 treasure it, but it' s not a bit. The effects that do 6 00:00:34.600 --> 00:00:39.039 not last forever are recorded at some point in the book and that one would 7 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:43.240 imagine, because those moments of the signature are one or two hours, one 8 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:48.920 signing and everything happens in thirty seconds. The meeting with each reader is about 9 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:52.560 five minutes maximum, say, can last a meeting with a reader and then 10 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:59.640 reappear twenty years later. That book is very particular as if it had been 11 00:00:59.719 --> 00:01:12.239 do do do, do even longer that encounter. Hi, Ricardo Hi, 12 00:01:12.239 --> 00:01:17.000 Alejandro. Good to meet you back here in the lobby booth. Yes, 13 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:21.159 it' s very rich to come in an intimate place from a keyboard to 14 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:25.319 one side, a round table, simply clear that we' ve never been 15 00:01:25.400 --> 00:01:27.200 told who uses it or who knows how to play it. I want to 16 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:30.760 propose a topic to you, but I' m going to start with an 17 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:36.560 image. It' s a Saturday afternoon, four- and- a- 18 00:01:36.680 --> 00:01:42.120 half in the afternoon there' s a virna and pertinent ovisna falling. People 19 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:49.760 are looking for water anywhere. There are desperate families looking for lost children. 20 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:55.920 Everybody' s got bags. Many waited two or three hours to get in 21 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:01.920 and it' s supposed to be a happy place. Sounds like apocalypse to 22 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:07.879 you. The fair is very clear the portrait that today. In addition, 23 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:16.240 you have to add fairs, doll parties, that there is a chuqui, 24 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:21.439 a granddaddy and Tsuki who is doing very well. There' s another one 25 00:02:21.560 --> 00:02:23.879 that' s the old guy from the APP movie. Well, this became 26 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:29.840 a mall. In the commercial is the cellars. There are many books of 27 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:34.479 good books also very good. It' s like everything, because it has 28 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:38.120 a bookstore. It' s a literary festival. At the same time, 29 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:44.280 this academic event, because they meet at universities in another sector. It is 30 00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:51.159 a kind of total fair, that plurality where you have sophisticated academic events, 31 00:02:51.560 --> 00:02:55.439 where there are three or four professors series and one hundred discuss your arcane discipline. 32 00:02:55.560 --> 00:03:00.039 Incomprehensible, yes, but one walks in four steps. He' s 33 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:05.439 in a mall. It is in a mall where they sell toys really and 34 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:08.919 where they paint caricatures of people who go around, but then at the exit 35 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:15.599 there are strawberries with chocolate and beyond restaurants. It' s really a total 36 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:21.120 fair that I think is very particular in the world. The book fairs of 37 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:28.319 other countries are bookshops, with small festival, or business halls, with display 38 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:35.240 of what the publishers are doing and let' s say offices to discuss who 39 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:38.039 is going to buy from which author they are very different. This, on 40 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:43.199 the other hand, all at the same time, of course, we are 41 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:44.960 talking about a little centralism, perhaps the ferrida of the book of Bogotá. 42 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:50.560 At the same time that this is happening, there are many people who, 43 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:58.719 perhaps like us, who like books, with an existential dilemma of why to 44 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:02.960 buy another book? There are infinite unread books perhaps from past book fairs, 45 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:14.000 accumulated still wrapped in plastic. In plastic. Yes, that is a type 46 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:19.120 of person, the people who go to the Bogotá fair, but also to 47 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:23.920 the other fairs that are getting bigger in Colombia and more supported and more interesting. 48 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:28.959 I' m going through this in a tug shop. Yes, yes, 49 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:32.519 tell us, they are a kind of cultural journey and they are getting 50 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:41.120 stronger, interesting and always appear attractive and the conversations are good and in all 51 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:47.079 there are those kinds of people the reader who loves to be there, who 52 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:54.000 does not care if it rains and if everything is full, who finds pleasure 53 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:57.399 in listening to the lectures. It' s hard for me to understand that 54 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:00.560 pleasure, because I, as an audience at half an hour, start thinking 55 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:03.680 about something else. Usually you do start to think that tomorrow you have to 56 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:08.120 pay for such a thing or that you have to do the next day, 57 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:11.480 that permanent anxiety. Permanent anxiety. Instead, there are people who are totally 58 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:19.439 present there enjoy the display of books, lectures and buy more books with the 59 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:25.759 tranquility that buying is not the same as reading, but they are making a 60 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:29.759 better collection. That being said, this is an interesting thing about plurality. 61 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:36.279 Too many books, as Mexican intellectual Gabriel Sait said, and celebrities are very 62 00:05:36.279 --> 00:05:43.079 different. The world learned about the existence of youtubers at a book fair in 63 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:48.879 Bogotá six or seven years ago. Yeah, when an almost threatening crowd came 64 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:54.680 in for a youtuber that was a presentation. There no one had understood that 65 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:59.600 cultural phenomenon and there it had a clear manifestation of something that was happening at 66 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:02.279 least out there, already in the back of the world, of culture. 67 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:09.920 Totally me, on the famous day we discovered the youtubers and the ones we 68 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:12.920 didn' t know, because a lot of people already knew. Those who 69 00:06:12.959 --> 00:06:14.839 didn' t know what didn' t know what was happening to you. 70 00:06:14.920 --> 00:06:17.600 Yeah, yeah, I wasn' t there, but my wife, Carolina, 71 00:06:17.800 --> 00:06:21.279 who' s an editor, was there and saw how she collapsed all 72 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:25.600 that. He was a Chilean youtuber, a Chilean youtubt named Germán Garmendia. 73 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:29.519 Yesterday, on language day, the book fair in Bogotá closed its doors to 74 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:34.680 visitors. After noon, the reason. Germán Garmendia I am German, a 75 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:40.160 Chilean youtuber who presented his book Chupa to the dog that he himself was responsible 76 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:46.120 for promoting on YouTube. People who wanted to participate in the fair could not 77 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:49.120 enter because the fifty zero ballots that are made available daily to visitors were sold 78 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:55.439 to see Germán. We arrived at about 3 p m yesterday. We lined 79 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:59.720 up for half an hour and when we were already arriving, because at the 80 00:06:59.839 --> 00:07:02.079 entrance of Las Sacas, which is already a lojisic opera, he told us 81 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:06.279 that the fair was already closed, which is called hello. I' m 82 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:11.240 a German or something like that was the channel that Daniel later stopped in Ola. 83 00:07:11.319 --> 00:07:13.720 I' m Dani, who' s his great San Pedro Pina and 84 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:16.879 the San But Espina stopped him. But that day the fair collapsed and it 85 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:23.639 was the first collapse of many, because from that year two thousand sixteen it 86 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:30.240 began to be common that every time they were influencers or youtubers, from amy 87 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:38.879 Rodriguez, because to street and poche the whole fair was stopped. One goes 88 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:43.079 to the book fair today and there are always queues people lying down for three 89 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:48.240 hours waiting for their favorites to arrive and it is touching and at the same 90 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:53.480 time, it is another world. It is another world because it is that 91 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:57.040 digital world that is in principle separated in the world from books, but that 92 00:07:57.160 --> 00:08:01.079 here they come together and the publishers are in use. There was a good 93 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:05.920 business opportunity to bring in that audience that was over there on the exact Internet, 94 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:09.800 but so were the books. What do you think of this idea of 95 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:13.439 the writer as a celebrity beyond the youtubers and so on, because it seems 96 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:20.040 to me that the idea of the celebrity of the writer is becoming more and 97 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:22.680 more firm and has several levels. There' s one thing that' s 98 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:26.920 certain there, and it' s that, before the networks, the writer 99 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:30.079 was a minor celebrity. He was totally someone who, if they recognized him 100 00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:33.879 in the bookstores, or that is, no one in Karulle was going to 101 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:39.120 grab Enrique Serrano or Jorge Franco and harass them. There was a small, 102 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:43.720 small YouTube and an audience as equal respect for readers who recognized it and could 103 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:50.879 talk to the writer. But from the networks there is a voice in greater 104 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:56.960 voice and if there is more direct contact with the writer, we have talked 105 00:08:56.039 --> 00:09:03.639 about it other times, but somehow it returns us to earlier times, even 106 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:09.919 previous centuries, when writers met face to face with readers in the 19th century, 107 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:16.240 in the streets, readers could claim from the writers that was going on 108 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:20.559 with their books or ask them to recite the last poem to them. Today 109 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:24.559 you can do that in the networks. Readers can ask the writer what he 110 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:28.000 ' s up to when he' s going to get something to tell him. 111 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:33.320 I liked this paragraph. It' s a new era that I think 112 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:37.759 is healthy on that side and it' s a reminder that writer and reader 113 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:41.480 are the same. There' s a face to face, which is that 114 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:43.600 it' s good, but there' s another side, which is the 115 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:46.480 celebrity side that seems a little ridiculous to me. Yeah, you can make 116 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:50.759 a little bit of an ananizing about this. It has its farandulesque side but 117 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:56.480 it is also the way to attract people to books. He' s got 118 00:09:56.519 --> 00:10:03.000 like everything in life, a troubled lake. We could do that and something 119 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:09.240 like that, the Ricardo book signing, how you feel about it, that 120 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:11.360 ' s an effort. Last year I had published even months before this book 121 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:16.240 about Stephane Bake, which was a hidden book, a little before two months 122 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:22.279 earlier. That coincided a little with my departure from government and I made a 123 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:24.720 presentation. I remember he accompanied me to Carolina Sannin and touched me next to 124 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:31.279 General Zapateiro. We both got out of two different presentations of the topic, 125 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:33.799 one side in time I signed on the other were the presentation of the time 126 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:37.679 and it was the signature next door and I went out and said well, 127 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:39.639 who' s going to win here. He was the one who ran a 128 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:45.200 competition. No yes, I find it hard not to think that the general, 129 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:48.240 before signing, wrote to play, to play victory. While he was 130 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:52.159 writing to play. I was very close to the two rows. Even those 131 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:56.799 in line of mine said we' re not recruiting people for this one to 132 00:10:56.799 --> 00:10:58.799 win. Now this and it turned into a show, a little bit, 133 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:05.159 which is that it' s a little tough, but I have to say 134 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:07.360 I won no. This is a pride, a pride for all of us 135 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:13.639 zero is a mistake. It is the modest terrain, not rich could have 136 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:16.639 been no indication. No doubt I was touched last year by Walterrizo' s 137 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:22.919 side. I think he won, but by a little bit, by a 138 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:28.919 little bit. I feel that more than the celebrity thing one does, in 139 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:33.240 these years it has gained direct contact with its readers in this and readers alike 140 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:39.000 go there and they will greet it. One is not. There' s 141 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:45.200 nothing affected or anything false about that encounter. It' s a mini conversation 142 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:50.120 usually twenty seconds, three seconds. I' m trying to customize the messages. 143 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:52.360 Many times that' s impossible, but it' s nice. It 144 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:56.000 ' s nice. Many times people come with a gift, with a note. 145 00:11:56.600 --> 00:12:00.559 There are people you see again and you' re turning back. Well, 146 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:03.720 folks, in the distance, it' s hard sometimes to remember the 147 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:07.120 names. That' s very hard. There are times when you saw someone 148 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:11.159 three years or two years ago and you are ashamed not to have that memory 149 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:18.120 to know all the names. Many times they help you and ask you a 150 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:22.080 good question, for who is this book there are strategies to not make a 151 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:26.279 fool of yourself and not make anyone feel like it is not important, because 152 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:31.159 it is. I remember Jorge Luis Borger once said that he had signed so 153 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:39.600 many books that his books if in signing, would be valued. It has 154 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:45.000 always impressed me because, well, already more than twenty years, twenty- 155 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:48.759 eight years of going to book fairs and signing, because it has impressed me 156 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:56.720 how it has become more and more successful. That there were times when at 157 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:01.320 the beginning year two thousand and three that I had to end Marco Mario Mendoza, 158 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:05.559 sometimes next door or with Germán Castro Caicedo. First already Mario Mendoza and 159 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:11.639 Castro Caicedo were, because a celebrities r then put one to sign with them 160 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:15.919 was very funny, because people assumed that one was the son of some or 161 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:20.159 an assistant of some who does this guy with these two. Castro, who 162 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:24.480 had signed with Flue Master so it wouldn' t hurt his hand, because 163 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:31.279 that' s one of the writers who got rows and rows and explained and 164 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:35.639 tried to comfort one by saying it calmly, that yours is literature, when 165 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:41.000 I saw one that nobody wanted to sign that industrialization of the firm. It 166 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:45.120 happened to me. When I go to old- time bookstores, I find 167 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:48.960 a book signed by me that Grandpa already gave you, I hadn' t 168 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:50.279 cultured you that it' s okay, that' s okay. It' 169 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:52.759 s funny, but I' m one of them not signed. I found 170 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:56.679 myself in someone we mentioned last time,Álvaro Castillo, his librarian bookstore, 171 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:03.519 had published a book with pieces of column and more or less long essays called 172 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:07.559 uribenomex and others for two yes. That was over there in the year two 173 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:09.919 thousand nine, of two thousand ten, already a long time ago, The 174 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:16.840 time spent inexorable and in the back had a phrase that said I love you 175 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:22.840 no moro. I don' t know what I miss aboutÁlvaro Castillo and 176 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:26.120 I didn' t want to buy it. Ju he Estao has been very 177 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:31.519 sorry. Of course, there are love and lovelessness in life that are woven 178 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:33.679 into me. They were doing other things, you know.Álvaro el Castillo, 179 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:37.399 with a lot of sense of friendship, called me a very worried day 180 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:43.279 because a book of mine came to him, so old twenty- five years 181 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:48.840 old, I don' t know how much worried because I had a dedication 182 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:56.360 that I had made to a girlfriend of mine from the University and which means 183 00:14:56.759 --> 00:14:58.320 that she had sold it toÁlvaro Castillo to sell it. And of course 184 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:03.879 it was a humor, it was a album, it was an iht log 185 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:07.320 yu with expiration date. Let' s say from the time of college, 186 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:11.159 but it was amazing that I sold it. It was scandalous. Then he 187 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:15.679 told me to come and I' m going to give it to you and 188 00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:20.000 you do whatever you want with it, because you with that personal dedication of 189 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:22.320 college time, because I don' t want to have it. There' 190 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:26.039 s my signature and the whole dedication was very embarrassing. I think you tell 191 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:31.480 me the book soon hear anecdotes even from writers. Of that, a writer 192 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:35.639 who signs to another writer with a paragraph thought the best way and then the 193 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:39.559 other finds that they are an old bookstore as if it were terrible anything. 194 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:43.120 I think that' s unrecommendable. If someone signs a book for you, 195 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:46.840 keep it, so be it in a warehouse, give it away or resell 196 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:52.919 it. That always goes wrong. I come back to go hunting for old 197 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:58.039 man' s bookstores found, probably relatives, no, but valuable old books 198 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:07.080 with very beautiful and very personal dedications that one would think relatives who want to 199 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:11.120 treasure it, but not sure how rare it is a little. The effects 200 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:15.960 that do not last forever are recorded at some point in the book and that 201 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:21.320 one would imagine us, because those moments of the signature are one or two 202 00:16:21.320 --> 00:16:26.759 hobbies, one signing and everything happens in thirty seconds. The meeting with each 203 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:30.879 reader is about five minutes. Maximum, say, can last a meeting with 204 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:38.919 a reader and then reappear twenty years later that book. It is very particular 205 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:45.519 as if it had been even longer that encounter. Those signatures are all so 206 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:51.600 curious when it' s in a bookstore, when it' s at the 207 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:53.879 fair, for example. Maybe the most delirious thing that ever touched me was 208 00:16:55.399 --> 00:17:00.279 once I didn' t know why it gave them that in Carrefur it was 209 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:03.640 going to be a good place to sign that carrer Furt. Then it became 210 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:08.519 jumbo, I think, but at that moment it was carrefurt when we signed, 211 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:14.640 like the year of two thousand five and it touched me next to Mario 212 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:19.000 Mendoza, next to the ranks of the carts of the market, of the 213 00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:23.200 metals, marked out on a table. Of course, many people thought that 214 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:30.279 we were some information gentlemen, Mario Mendoza, with that vocation that has to 215 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:36.279 help and serve that is absolutely genuine. He is a truly and very valuable 216 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:41.000 kind of gifted and here we have always loved him very much in our podcast. 217 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:45.880 But with that vocation of truth he began to know that there were gondolas 218 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:48.920 of the market, that is, if he came to ask us for a 219 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:52.640 time or where the tomato sauce is, he said the gondo the four, 220 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:56.720 because it was such an absolute situation that he passed from a writer what is 221 00:17:56.720 --> 00:18:00.000 called a uzador booster. Yeah, it all counts exactly and he did it 222 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:04.039 very quietly. He was a well- known writer in the two thousand five 223 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:08.480 already but, however, in that market, because no one knew who we 224 00:18:10.519 --> 00:18:18.519 were, neither he nor much less me and we took him with great tranquility, 225 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:22.319 because because that of the signatures sometimes goes very well, sometimes it goes 226 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:26.240 very badly. Sometimes I go and there are two scenarios. The scenario that 227 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:30.960 nobody goes is the scenario that many people go and the two seem a little 228 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:34.599 scared to me. The humiliation of one sitting there is harsh. Not everyone 229 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:37.440 tries to tell you an easier one. You don' t do it to 230 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:41.759 people, and you talk to one about this thing that the world has to 231 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:48.440 like. The world becomes indifferent, exact, complicated, no yes, but 232 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:52.599 also a very long tail that one firm firm firm and the tail is infinite. 233 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:56.319 It' s complicated. Another thing that happened to me, Ricardo. 234 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:02.319 Usually, in the book fair there are all kinds of auditoriums, but the 235 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:08.039 most common one is auditorium style cellar Yes, a rectangle, there are chairs, 236 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:12.000 can be two or three hundred and there are other auditoriums next door. 237 00:19:12.920 --> 00:19:18.359 Yeah, this happening simultaneously. You' re talking, but you hear the 238 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:22.559 echoes bouncing all over each other, three or four gigs laughing, applause, 239 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:27.319 and it' s very hard to concentrate, very difficult and you have to 240 00:19:27.319 --> 00:19:32.200 talk and you know if people are paying attention. It has a complicated element, 241 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:34.200 but well, it' s the fair, this fair. One is 242 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:41.200 mentally aware that this is the environment, but it is still distressing. I 243 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:48.680 have had to present some books in those auditoriums that are like spells really as 244 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:53.359 they are chos, they are transitory, they are mounted there. Meanwhile, 245 00:19:53.759 --> 00:20:00.359 and it has happened to me, for example, in the presentation of one 246 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:07.680 of Antonio Caballero' s column book compilation columns a long time ago, two 247 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:14.920 thousand seventeen or something. He talked too much. He spoke little step in 248 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:18.119 general and didn' t want to talk in general. Even I always wrote 249 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:22.039 that down with some people between their voice and their vehemence. There was a 250 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:26.519 distance. No one is the contradiction between form and substance. He was a 251 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:30.559 very dear guy, after you deciphered him, but he was very shy, 252 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:34.839 I felt very self- absorbed and with a very weak, very fragile voice. 253 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:37.880 Nobody understood. You didn' t understand shit, you didn' t 254 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:42.200 hear anything. There was an echo that made it impossible for me to ask 255 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:45.599 him the question myself, understand the answer and I don' t know how 256 00:20:45.799 --> 00:20:48.839 we ended that. People were watching, they didn' t understand anything. 257 00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:57.119 It was a disaster from beginning to end that we went out, because everyone 258 00:20:57.119 --> 00:21:00.400 almost resigned. You don' t come out defeated at all because you know 259 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:03.480 that' s the fair and you can' t ask. It can' 260 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:08.559 t be a great presentation either. He never gets completely defeated. Ricardo, 261 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:15.160 because, despite the rain, the tumult of a little this about commercialization, 262 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:22.279 being there is a human encounter. Yeah, and if they do a survey 263 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:26.960 on the way out, everyone' s gonna say I was totally happy. 264 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:33.640 And then comes the nostalgia that even those difficult moments beautify them even more fully. 265 00:21:33.279 --> 00:21:37.720 And we' re protesting about the book fair somehow. But we' 266 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:42.559 ll be there already, we' ll be moderately happy, that we wanted 267 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:47.960 to be the best state that can have human being with affection with an appreciation 268 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:55.519 of readers and with gratitude it' s also a place that you want and 269 00:21:55.680 --> 00:21:56.359 that you accept, as is the description you said at the beginning. It 270 00:21:56.440 --> 00:22:03.119 seems to me that it is very clear that raining all the time, one 271 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:04.319 goes like between tents so as not to get wet. In April I used 272 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:07.279 to rain in Bogotán, I used to rain at the fair. Now, 273 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:11.640 apparently, not so much. Now, apparently, we already have civic days 274 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:15.119 and everything to rain. But the sky doesn' t know. He has 275 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:21.240 let go, the sky does not know the sails, the human being exactly. 276 00:22:22.119 --> 00:22:25.759 But in any case, rich thinking of readers, there is like a 277 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:30.720 triple act that should take us about gratitude, buying the book. Yeah, 278 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:38.759 that' s lining up and waiting a while. Yes and then read, 279 00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:42.599 even if it' s some page. In a world where attention is becoming 280 00:22:42.680 --> 00:22:48.160 more and more difficult to fully thank. I don' t know if it 281 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:52.680 ' s because, because you' re getting older whatever, or because or 282 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:57.039 or how you' re looking older in your mouth. Yes it can be 283 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:03.119 because I' ve been with my children lately and then I' m worried 284 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:11.039 that they won' t separate me and then I find it very overwhelming and 285 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:12.599 in the last three years it seems to me that you can' t move. 286 00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:15.960 But yes, you have to recognize you can' t die out there. 287 00:23:17.079 --> 00:23:19.559 But if you have to recognize that people are happy, that they like 288 00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:26.400 to be there, that they enjoy their fair, that the fair makes enormous 289 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:33.440 efforts. He' s had some great programmers. Over the past 20 years, 290 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:42.519 it' s been super consistent. No more thinking about Adriana Martínez, 291 00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:47.799 for example, or now Pilar Londoño, who is doing that with so much 292 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:52.279 affection. I don' t know. There are some people there who work 293 00:23:52.359 --> 00:23:57.200 all year to make that work and it works for them and that brings some 294 00:23:57.240 --> 00:24:03.720 writers that people are fascinated by. The same. Mario Mendoza fills the hall 295 00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:07.319 jos Asunción Silva, which is the largest all the times that they pass there 296 00:24:07.359 --> 00:24:15.279 and that beyond neurosis, or that yes it overwhelms me or whatever. Yeah, 297 00:24:15.319 --> 00:24:19.079 that trainer, but it' s trial, yes, and at the 298 00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:25.039 fair, that' s people and that hopeful, that people like that and 299 00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:29.200 that people are there to fascine and worship their writers. That' s much 300 00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:30.359 better. That' s what everything else is. In the background, when 301 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:33.519 one leaves the house that day, one Saturday afternoon and arrives there he is 302 00:24:33.559 --> 00:24:41.359 making a kind of pilgrimage. Yes, yes, he wants to find in 303 00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:42.680 books, in the world of culture, in the world of what human beings 304 00:24:42.799 --> 00:24:47.559 have thought and written, something that will be better, not silly, at 305 00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:52.759 least, something he will find. See you at Ricardo' s book fair. 306 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:56.519 There' s now your strong brother, a hug. It' s 307 00:24:56.799 --> 00:25:02.000 clear we can all write. It is clear that we can all, with 308 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:07.759 luck and vocation, devote ourselves to the craft of writing. But lately I 309 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:11.599 think we can' t just write, we should write. Writing is the 310 00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:18.599 best therapy we have at hand. 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