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to call it in esoteric studies. Wayne Steiger, Welcome back to the show,
my friend. How's it going, Hey, writer, it's doing great.
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Wayne, I want to start this off with a philosophical question if you don't
mind, okay, can you think of any situation where the belief in something
in turn creates facts and proof of said hypothetical situation individually on an individual basis
or individual or collective either one. Yeah, I mean my first question is
that philosophically, I you know, I would say that it's a it's a
hallway of doors. It's not that it can't happen. Maybe it does happen,
But I have found that when you start getting into that deepness of thought,
I don't think anyone's initially prepared for the amount of doors that suddenly open
to other thought. Yeah, I agree, And then it comes down.
I think it comes down to does our beliefs and our thoughts inevitably create reality
for the individual? It goes back to that agual question is where do our
thoughts come from? Right? And if our thoughts then create reality, then
does that create proof or facts backing up that belief system? This situation vision
that I can think of is religion, Like right off the bat, with
Christianity, right, A lot of people believe in the Bible and what the
Bible says, So in turn, they are creating their own proof in their
own facts within their head, even though to other people it's not real.
I don't know if that makes sense or not. That makes perfect sense.
You know, I was, you know, I was a born again spirit
field tongue talking Christian. Fifty years of my life, ordained minister, went
to Bible school, used to preach in the prisons, used to do healing
ministries in the hospital. And I can tell you each individual creates their own
muse because you have the script, and that's why you read the Bible every
day, you know, because it keeps you into what I call the hypnosis
syndrome. You're hypnotized by keywords and you begin to form your reality. And
in my case, I come from the cult aspect within Christianity that a was
more mysticism, because we believe that there was this invisible power called the Holy
Spirit, that I could lay my hands upon you and by speaking in tongues
over you, that I can suddenly start prophesying over you, or better yet,
I may be able to heal you. And is that real? Is
it merely because I think it's real. It's my interpretation about what I was
taught. And then when you get in with others that have that same vein
of thought, it gets really spooky because you have the existing reality outside.
But as far as you're concerned, if no one's inside your group, then
it doesn't matter. I agree with that. And then is that why you
think that people gravity toward religion in the first place? When is because they
want to experience something out of the ordinary, whether that be paranormal, supernatural,
or something otherworldly, and then their thoughts of the group then fuel that
reality. Yes, yes, yes, one of the things. When I
became really born again, this is what I mean. Getting out of that
god spell, I begin to realize that people are drawn to church, to
religion because they're seeking the supernatural. They want to see a God that is
performing miracles, raising the dead, they want to see the heavens open up
with lightning, what have you. That is the stuff that gets them the
mental orgasm. I know, I've been there, and it's true. I
have seen, particularly women in religious services, actually experiencing orgasms because they believe
that there was something so tangible that it overwhelmed them. You know, you
think about modern day Abrahamic beliefs, and specifically Christianity, because that's the only
one I can really truly speak of of because I was there once. Is
the world's largest blood cult that has ever existed on planet Earth, and the
foundations of Christianity within itself, within the Abrahamic Covenant, is predicated upon blood.
Without blood, there can't be any sacrifice, there can't be no repitiation
for sin. When you take communion and drinking the blood, you're eating of
the flesh. I mean, this is some bizarre stuff, but we consider
that to be what God is. And as a result, you look at
the world today, We're on the brink, We're already there. World War
three has started. The only question is is that when as a civil war
start here in the United States, and part of that war will be a
religious war. So what I've discovered with doing with researching all of these UFO
cults, by the way, amazing work, Thanks so much, really appreciate
it. I put a lot of effort and research and study into it.
But what I've found is that is the same thing over and over again,
with the same ideas, the same basic ideology, with a majority of it
stemming from Christianity. And they all have new revelations right from the Bible that
they've all claimed to interpreted the Bible, but just slightly different, right different
than the others as I've researched them, right, and a few things change
from each of the cults. But one thing is absolutely clear that all of
these ideologies stem directly from Christianity and religious philosophy in order to create something new.
And I believe this comes from the disillusionment I don't even know if that's
a word. I guess disillusionment of with religion and more specifically the Abrahamic religions,
and that God and Jesus and Satan have been replaced with extraterrestrials. Yes,
and because they replaced who was originally may have been here, whether it
was Inky, whether it was in Ye, whether we actually did come from
a time where we don't remember where we worshiped the snake, the serpent was
a goddess, and it's reversed now because where we actually had the divine feminine,
now we have the monotheistic, patriarchal, single belief system, one world
religion. I mean, if that's not the ultimate mind control, I don't
know what is. And then it's worse because, for instance, in the
United States, our Constitution is founded primarily the Bill of Rights on the Book
of Deuteronomy. Well, if you read Deuteronomy. There's this real fine stuff
on the front, but you look in the back, you got all the
curses. Okay, but yes, to your point, religion goes it's an
ancestuous whore because it will it literally permeates every aspect of society. And even
when you don't think that you're a part of it, you're still a part
of it. Yeah. Yeah, And I mean the biggest horror of these
besides you know, and that's what actually if you read the Book of Revelations
is what it is talking about religion, you know, politics, and then
money is the three headed beast. It gets into every aspect of politics.
And then that's where you have this. You have the insidious side that you
can't see because you got the law. You had to have law, right,
Well, the law is founded on a being that has proven to be
anything but a friend of mankind. And that's my problem with religion and with
politics today. And there's many of people coming to the same conclusion. I'm
tired of the old ways. I mean, every we haven't learned in how
many years of existence about war? Right then the writer what that says is
that we have been so corrupted, so contaminated by these belief systems, believing
that killing somehow is righteous somehow, that this is going to carry over into
the afterlife is some kind of honor. It's not working so anyway. Yeah,
and then they've just changed it and turned it into extraterrestrials in order to
explain it better, in order for people to wrap their heads around it instead
of it just bring its enlightenment a paranormal and a supernatural thing. But then
comes the really the mean question here, but what happens when people get disillusioned
with extraterrestrial and UFOs? What happens then? Not because I think that we're
approaching that point very quickly, I myself am approaching that point rapidly. There
becomes a point where we need to be like, where are they right?
If the universe is so populated and extraterrestrials have been visiting us for thousands of
years, like some state in the Vedas and the Hermanas, where are they
wane? And guess what their explanation is to this question. It's the exact
same explanation that's giving in the religious institutions when the preachers and the bishops and
the cardinals are asked by their congregations. Where is God? Where is Jesus?
Right? And everyone knows the answer to that question. They're invisible,
right, you can't see them. That's because they live in you. Yeah,
yeah, I mean, and when you look at the et thing,
it's it's it's this progression now because we were seeing the single largest exodus out
of particularly in America. But I understand it's a it's it's happening pretty much
around the globe where you're seeing this mass exodus coming out of what they call
organized religion, primarily Christendom. And so now you've got people that are walking
out disillusioned, they're looking for an answer. They're they're they're they're spiritual by
nature, and so now there's this void. Well, the next one that
would be something else would be what would be closest to akin to God would
be an alien an e t. I mean, they would know God better
than we would because they're traveling in space and we're not. So anything that
they have to tell us. Well, you could almost take it as the
gospel, right, because they're more highly advanced apparently supposedly. Yeah, it's
just it's very convenient when that you can't see God, you can't see Jesus.
They're invisible. You don't know if they're really there, which is the
exact same thing with extraterrestrials. They're invisible. They're on a higher vibratory rate
than what we are, so that renders them invisible, or they have some
sort of cloaking technology. Right, it's the exact same thing as the explanations
from religion and why we can't see God, why we can't see Jesus.
It's the exact same thing. They're invisible, you can't see him, but
they're everywhere. You know. I've been on my channel been discussing this of
late, so you know, you've got this belief, particularly in religion,
is that God knows everything. That God knows, there's nothing that he doesn't
know. And it's number one that hits a heat to begin with. But
I've come to the conclusion as I've meditated on this, I don't believe there
can be a bean that would absolutely know everything, because if you knew everything,
then what's your purpose for existence? Yeah, there's nothing to live for
you know everything. And then that comes in the theory of well, once
you merge back with sores, then you then create your own universe and then
create your own planetary system and put people on that, and then you go
back into that existence to live out and forget right. It's almost exactly like
the matrix. For Well, if you take the book Ecclesiastics, there's nothing
new under the sun that has not been known to man before, that which
was shall yet be again. Okay, if you want to take that literally,
and as a philosopher, I look at that. I've pondered that many
times. Then what that's saying is that none of us have an original thought,
none of us have experienced anything that is new. Rock and roll must
have happened sometime. Again, I don't know, because I contend I think
rock and roll is the one thing that's splipped the matrix of the That's just
my opinion. But you get back to this thing. So, if there's
nothing new under the sun that's not been known demand before, what's that saying.
It's saying that this is insanity. It's saying that we're in this loop
that we can't apparently break out of, no matter what we do, no
matter what we think, no matter what we believe. Yeah, it's coming
down to some sort of simulated reality. I think that this more than likely
is a holographic rejection that we're living in. None of this is real because
it only makes sense because we come here, we don't know who we are,
we don't know what we're doing, we don't know anything about our past.
It makes sense that this is just a computer simulation. Essentially, it's
a game. Yeah, I mean, and maybe we're in PCs. Maybe
there appears to be a master program running, and it appears that somehow some
of our kind seem to have an influence on it. But no matter how
I look at the NPC, the master program means running. It's got death
written all over it. It's like this part of the game. That's the
problem with when I left religion. It is that none of the gods ever
spill any of their blood. I mean, Satan, Lucifer, Jesus,
you know, y'ad, unless you take the crucifixion, And that then means
that the cross is really a symbol of death, not life. But I
digress. Is that then no matter what I do, no matter what you
do, writer, no matter what anyone's watching this does, it doesn't matter.
There's this program running, and it's gonna run no matter what Unfortunately,
that's what I've figured out too. But that's not gonna stop me, Wane.
We're gonna keep We're gonna keep going. That's very discouraging, honestly,
And you know, just doing the research on these cults and realizing that I've
been fooled a lot of people have been fooled, and I've been there.
I mean, but you think about what. Let me ask you a question,
so out of your study thus far, why the need for cults?
What is it that draws us into these belief systems that quite frankly, are
pretty bizarre in some cases that you wouldn't think rational people would do, but
they do. And it's from the sometimes the most unsuspecting people you wouldn't believe
would be a part of this. What have you found why the attraction?
I think it's the exact same attraction that we spoke about earlier. For people
that get into religion, they want to paranormal, yes, and they want
to hear something that they've never heard before, because they're tired of the mundane.
They think that people are lying to them. They believe that the government
is lying to them. And I'm not here to say either which way the
government has done a lot of shady stuff, right, There's no doubt about
it. But I think that a lot of them are just disillusioned with reality
itself and they want answers, and they go to someone that they think can
provide them answers. I mean a lot of these calls that I've studied,
I've listened to some of the former call members and they say that it was
information that they had never heard before, right, Like with the Heaven's Gate
called here with Marshall apple White, remember that, Well, it was out
in California when that happened. People said that it was like whenever they went
to their their meetings and their where like in Oregon, some of their first
meetings, their first little conferences and groups and stuff, they were like it
was like sitting next to Jesus and that They said that the energy was just
radiating off of them. Right. But all that they did was they just
went around to all of the New Age centers, all of the different gurus
and spiritual leaders of the time in the early seventies, and they collected all
of their ideas. They read a bunch of books, they did a bunch
of you know, study into the occult and then they cultivated their own belief
system for their cult, in their own ideology. They mixed it all together
and created some they knew, and they tweaked it and turned it just a
little bit, and then they were able to get people to buy into it.
And they literally had their followers out in the middle of the woods in
Colorado and Boulder, Colorado, waiting for UFOs to come and pick them up,
telling them to hit a tuning fork above their head to tune into the
vibrational frequencies of the UFOs, and that the UFOs would come and rapture them
up into the clouds, and that the clouds aren't really clouds, the clouds
are UFOs. And then once the UFOs come and rapture them up, which
is exactly like, yeah, I think that's Paul's story of you know,
the catching Away of the Saints. They've all just reinterpreted the Bible, turned
it into something different. And they claimed that whenever the UFOs come, they'll
be raptured up into the next evolutionary level above human, and that they would
be physically turned into an extraterrestrial. But then, like all of these cults,
their ideologies change. They all turn into spiritual and consciousness ascension. It's
no longer a physical ascension because whenever these predictions and these ideologies do not come
to fruition, they have to keep the followers on the hook with something right.
And with Bonnie Nettles, she died of brain cancer in eighty five,
and then Marshall apple White had to change the whole ideology of the cult because
they looked at Bonnie as a prophet and like an ascended reincarnation of Mother Mary,
and they were all believed that she was going to be physicallyanity, which
is still part of the Abrahamic belief system. Yes, I mean wow,
And as you were talking, it is so true. I mean so I
was a part of what they called. We were the name It, Claim
It group. You know, when the charismatic movement hit the world in the
late seventies and then began to blossom out into the eighties, it brought this
whole new awareness of the spiritual aspect. What I found out in my studies
is that really what we thought was the new charismatic movement in the late seventies
was actually kind of an extension of what happened in nineteen oh six in the
Uzuzu Street Revival, and it was all predicated around this paranormal, supernatural,
unseen force which we called the Holy Spirit. And the problem with this is
is what I found is that eventually, no matter how spiritual you want to
be, the physicality takes over. And in my case, you know,
I studied under Kenneth Hagen, Kenneth Copeland, I knew them all, and
the message went from this spiritualness to this message of prosperity. God wants you
to be rich, well, okay, and it gets bizarre from there.
So I know I'm identifying perfectly with what you're saying because it was a cult
and it is a cult. Which is interesting because Marshall Applewaite says the almost
exact opposite. He said to how you know that you're speaking with beings from
heaven what she calls the next level? Uh, is that based on how
your life is going. So if you have a lot of riches, and
you have and you're really popular, and you have a nice house and a
nice car, and I have a nice life here in this reality, then
you're not in communication with the beings from the next level. You're not in
communication with God because God would not want you to have nice things in this
reality. But Jesus had his feet washed in this special perfume lard that today
would be the equivalency of about ten thousand dollars. The fact that Mary and
Martha were in fact millionaires in today's terms, because this Jesus cat went around
never working, but he had a following that provided for all of his needs,
which made it convenient because he never had to own anything. Why because
he was hanging around with the rich people. It's exactly what happened. You
know, if you read the Altner's story, you find out that Mary,
supposed to Jesus' mother, was actually the niece to the cat that actually buried,
you know, opened up the tomb. Come to find out that that
dude, and I'll think of the name here in a second, actually ran
all the mining interest for the Roman Empire. He was Jewish, He was
extremely rich. He would be even above you know, look at all on
the day, you know, whether you're looking at Gates or whoever. So
then that contradicts that whole thing. Yeah, it really does. And what
my study has shown with these UFO cults is that they're the exact same way
they hang around they try and get rich people to come in and give them
money so that they don't have to they don't have to work an actual job.
And I can't find the picture right now, but the Order of the
Solar Temple call in Geneva, Switzerland was an elitist cult and it only accepted
members that had an abnormally large bank account to give them donates. And whenever
their two compounds in Switzerland, uh, one in France and one in Switzerland
was right right on the border they burnt down. Some of the investigators found
papers that showed that some members were donating up to a million dollars to their
call. Thank God good, I'll tell you this love Ernest ANGELI used to
say. And actually Ernest's Angel, he actually owned a seven forty seven.
You know. He says you have no need, only in need to believe
it in Jesus. That's right, offering plate please. Well, that's what
Guy and Guy and Ed and the Ballard did the almost exact same thing.
And from the call of I am in the early thirties. They know they
got indicted for mail fraud. Yeah yeah, and it's all about the money.
It is. I could give her name. She's well known, was
very close to President Trump, was one of his spiritual advisors. You know
what she told me, She said this salvation message. That's she says.
What really is important is that in the day is what's in the offering plate
because God wants me to be wealthy so I can communicate with God and delivered
to the people a special message that God has given me. But I need
your tithes in offering because God has said, according to Malachi that you know,
he blesses the one who ties yeah, by your way into heaven to
salvation. I mean and and and that and that's see, the word salvation
is a trigger word. Did you watch that movie called Hypnotize? That was
this out real? Uh? Just recently forget the guy who is the guy
who played in Pearl Harbor lead role. The dude was I just watched a
movie called Hypnotic with Ben ask thank you? Yeah, so you know,
really good movie. I really enjoy it. It's a great movie. I
mean, it makes you think that all of us who are participating in this
medium, you know, we don't know if we've been preconditioned with a with
a trigger word. Salvation is one of those trigger words in Christianity because it
invokes the aspect of death, fear I'm going to be lost, so I
need salvation. Well, salvation then means I have to change my thinking,
to adapt myself to another thought. I mean, this gets weird. Well,
another thing is why is God so concerned with our monetary system here?
What does he do with it? I mean, what does Saint Jermaine from
the I AM cult in the thirties have to do with the monetary system?
Right? Why are they so concerned with money? Because that is God,
agreed. I mean, I'm being very you know, straightforward, it's God.
I have found that the God of the Bible doesn't exist. I mean,
I've challenged Christians to tell me where did the Father come from? Because
if you're telling me God was Jewish initially back in the Old Testament, and
you're telling me that that God is now this God, then we got a
problem because you're talking about someone who has schizophrenia. I mean, you can't
have a jealous and vengeful God. Then you got me. You're telling me
that it's the Father, and that the Father is full of love and compassion
and he only wants the very best of us. But he had to slaughter
his only so called son, because he's a bloodthirsty son of a bitch that
has deceived the world into believing that there is something that it isn't. Well,
majority of the for that stigger, I know, had seat, but
I wouldn't want to be in heaven anyway. Blasphemy, Wayne, Blasphemy burned
my ass at the stake, you know, three hundred years ago. Well
that's the thing. That's the thing about these cults, though, is they
all claim that these extraterrestrials deceived humanity into believing that they were gods. The
Rayel from the Raalian cult said that the Elohem deceived humanity into believing that they
were gods. The Joy of Satan cult that I covered also believed that Uh
Satan was an extraterrestrial and that they deceived humanity into believing that they were gods.
The cult that I covered just yesterday the the other day on Thursday,
the Call of Vntrovis, believe that these extraterrestrials, two groups of extraterrestrials came
to the planet a billion years ago or a million years ago and then deceived
humanity in the thinking that they were gods and then they engineered and created us,
which I don't know, but that's the thing that they use to try
and wrap people's heads around the paranormal. They're they're trying to make it physical
when it may be supernatural, it may be paranormal, it may be something
that we don't understand and will never understand. But they're trying to break it
down into words that we can actually conceive it with our minds. But that
still doesn't make it correct. That still doesn't make it right, factual,
or have any evidence to back it up right. It's almost identical, just
in a different way. They just switched around the words and then created something
new. And it's and again, as you said, it's it's the same
thing. It's the basically, it's the core message. You know. I
say this on my channel all the time, writer that I'm pretty much I'm
well adapted into the mystery schools of thought, you know what they call the
occult. But I had fifty years of initiation through Christianity that allowed me to
graduate to become an adapt into the occult because I found out that Christianity,
in where it took its identity was from Pagans, it was from the multiplicity
of different cult beliefs, and they consolidated them and we've lost those those traits.
But apparently it's something about us. So you know, what are we
doing here? Why are we here? What's the purpose? It seems like
we're a mistake. It seems we cannot we a Number one, are a
species of amnesiacs. No one knows where the hell we came from. No
one our science, our religion, our philosophies, we don't know where we
came from. That's disturbing. Two, it seems we have this in eight
aspects of us our makeup to where we're warlike. We're either striving to subdue
something or someone, or we are being subdued by someone or someone or something.
And lastly, we seem to be not to be able to live in
peace, we must have conflict. And in this case we're a war species.
We're not warlike, we are a war species. For me, as
a philosopher, I've been in December, writer, I'll be on the planet
for twenty five thousand days, and in those twenty five thousand days nothing has
changed. It's only gotten progressively worse. Yeah, that's my whole thing too,
is why and I think I've mentioned to you before on the show,
but I think it's important to mention again is why hasn't our way of life
changed any Why are we still doing the same things? Why are we still
using the same exact things. Like, the only thing that's progressed has been
our technology, and that's the only thing that's changed in our reality. But
if we were to put as much emphasis on the development of technology into our
way of life, then I believe that we would we would be living in
a golden age of humanity. But we talk about technology because it's interesting because
the vast majority of technology we're using today was this because I was part of
that. I was back in the days before there was anything called e commerce.
In fact, I had the e commerce Manifesto that was put together in
the mind Share up in Beaver Creek. The technology we have today, no
one that invented it and brought it out was ever looking to make a buck.
It was fun. It was you know, just look at what we
can do. Something changed, something came in and corrupted it, and now
our technology is enslaving us. You have generations now, and I'm sure that
in your studies that you know those under the age of thirty. They weren't
around when I was growing up, where we had a phone that was attached
to a chord. We didn't have computers, we didn't have cell phone,
we didn't have any of it. And they look at us like we're dinosaurs,
Like we don't even belong on this planet anymore. That is, and
as you get older, you look back on this and you're going, something's
wrong here. If this message of religion, the message of ets, if
it was so positive, then why aren't we seeing the changes on a collective
level. Why aren't we seeing changes in government? Why aren't we seeing changes
in industry? We're not. We're regressing, and we seem to be regressing
further and further into this hole that I don't think there seems to be any
escape. I agree, and I think that why we don't see those types
of changes that you're talking about is because they don't exist. See, they
just don't exist. And that's I mean, I really love my species.
You know. They tell me I'm a Homo sapien I okay, I mean
they're telling me I live on a planet in Earth, but they can't tell
me where I am in the universe. Oh, but they can't see past
one hundred million miles. But now you're gonna tell me, you know exactly
where I'm in the Wait a minute, you know, it's like Carl Sagan
said, he said the futility of humanity, and he says it's a sad,
sad footnote to humanity is that we don't seem to be able to progress.
Yeah, we're stuck in like a constant loop and a regurgitation of older
thoughts and ideas for a new generation of people. Right, And that goes
back to one of my original questions when we started to show what happens when
people get disillusioned with these UFOs and these extraterrestrials. Right, because it can
only go on for so long without any solid proof and solid evidence. Right,
we can only keep this train going on for so long. And they've
been supposedly landing since the thirties. Right, All of these calls have made
predictions of mass landings of UFOs and extraterrestrials that never come true. All of
them, every one of them. All the extraterrestrials are going to be landing
anytime. The call from the a theorist known not a Theorist Society, but
Unarious Academy. Unarious Academy made a prediction that in two thousand, the thirty
three UFO ships were going to land in California. The seekers UFO called in
the early fifties said that the UFOs were going to land and save the United
States from a global natural disaster, and that they were going to be raptured
up. You know, it never happens. So how long are we going
to keep going along with this subset of Christianity and religion without any solid proof?
And now it's gone so far when this ideology, in this belief system
of extraterrestrials in UFOs that we now have somebody that is a supposed whistleblower testifying
in front of Congress saying that they have crashed extraterrestrial or non biological whatever nonsense
that he was saying, and that the government has these bodies. But he's
providing zero proof, zero evidence. It's more stories, stories after stories,
stories compounded upon stories, ideologies that are proven not to be true, compounded
upon other ideologies that are proven to not be true. It's gotten that far.
And I just watched an amazing documentary. I know if you've seen it.
Watched it last night called Mirage Man. Have you watched Mirage Man.
It's an amazing documentary. You can watch it on free on YouTube. I'm
going to cover this eventually, but I'm telling everyone now to go and watch
this documentary called mirajmn. It's literally the government planting fake information about extraterrestrials and
UFOs to certain people. And the main arbitrary of that was a man named
Richard Dody that was working for the United States Air Force that was a known
disinformation and misinformationalist, and he went to people popular people in the community to
give them false information about UFOs and extraterrestrials. One of his big ones was
a gentleman named Bill Moore. He wrote the book on Roswell in nineteen eighty.
They got everybody to believe that Roswell was an actual extra terrestrial craft and
that there was bodies in it, but it was made up. He made
it up and gave this gentleman Bill Moore, the information to write his book
about. Because no one cared about Roswell. It resurfaced again in the eighties
whenever that book by Bill Moore came out, and then it got everyone interested
in it again, and then everyone's like, oh my god, it must
not have really been a crashed balloon or a crash dummy or what It must
have been a real extraterrestrial craft. And the government's got bodies. Everything that
Rick Dodie basically put into the zeitgeist of the community back then when he was
actually doing it is established lore in mythology within the community now. And he
was doing that to cover up advanced techologies that the government was working on,
because there were some people that were living near military bases that were was getting
video footage of advanced craft that the government was working on, and they had
to go in and feed him just and misinformation to throw him off of the
trail so that he can go out there and be like, oh, you
know, I'm seeing this at a military base. They made him believe that
it was extraterrestrials. Sounded like they were almost hypnotized. But he did it
to several people. He did it countless people, big people within the community.
He did it to Linda Moulten Howe, Yeah, like, it's unbelievable,
And I was just like taken back because I knew that it was bad
in the community. But when I watched this documentary, I really implore anybody
anyone's listening right now to just type in Mirage Men on YouTube and watch that
documentary. It's like an hour and a half and it leaves almost everything out
for you and the disinformation from these agents within the Air Force, and actually
has Walter Bosley in it too, back then when it was made, and
I've had Walter Bosley on my show several times. It's just unbelievable. When
you look at the history of this stuff and where it comes from, it
turns out that a majority of it just comes from a bunch of nonsense,
and it's soddening. It's very My question is, is then, what's the
endgame here? What is the purpose? I mean, if this is the
case, and you know, I don't know, it brings up thought there
are there really a group of non humans? I mean, you know,
are we looking at token? Are we looking at the Middle Earth? Lower
Earth? Is there really a race of advance being that really went inside the
Earth, you know, leaving us on the surface. I don't know,
because I don't know if we're that smart to bring all this together. Maybe
we are, but it certainly seems like we're being manipulated no matter which direction
we go. And if you live, you've asked, what's the next step?
After you become so disillusioned with it all, you become a nihilist.
And that's that's I think that's particularly dangerous because when a person gets to that
point where they believe in nothing, then the great fear is is that they
don't believe in themselves. And as an actual person, I don't know if
I like the next thought, because you know, maybe it becomes this this
place where life, no land, no longer matters. If you don't have
a purpose and a reason for living, that's a that's a that's a hell
that I just I can't. I can't. I can imagine it, I
just can't imagine being there. Oh no, And I agree with you one
hundred percent. And then but then also it could be that people revert back
to Christianity. Well now let's talk about that. Yeah, maybe people personally,
I know, listen, I have them write me, no, how
could you forsake Christ? You know, did you not realize you're going to
hell? And I wrote them back, I said, I really don't want
to be in heaven. I mean if if that's the case, my generation
brought rock and roll in. I want to go to where the gun?
Where? Where? Where did all the bands are at? Or? Is
there really an afterlife? How can you actually say that there's an afterlife?
Are you saying then that? What? What is that we suddenly have this
magic thing, that we're suddenly this glob of consciousness and that somehow we're existing
in a ethereal realm that we don't have. I mean, that gets pretty
bizarre. Well, I want to go back to Christianity. Religion says we
don't worry about that. Here, take this pill, swallow it, and
we got this place for you called heaven. Well, what am I going
to do? Don't worry about that. It's just a good place, okay,
because if you don't go there, we're going to go to this bad
place. What's that? Well it's the opposite of the good place. Well
you never defined what the good place was. Well, it's just the opposite.
And the person goes, I'll sign up for that, Thank you,
Jesus. Bring it on on. You know, I repent of my sins,
you know, forgive me, and you're going right back to where you
started from. Yeah, We've seen that several times with people that would get
into the New Age community, and well, the New Age move it's been
compromised by the Christians that left. They brought their theology with them, and
they now they screwed it all up because now we've got a mystical Jesus.
No, we have a loving care I mean, I'm confused as to which
Jesus and CONSCIOUSNSM I was both talked to. There's too many. They're all
over the place, at least in the occult you know, you realize that
in occultism, and true occultist realize this is that it's very possible that all
of these things exist. It's very possible none of them exist. What really
is important is to understand that you exist. And that's what occultism teaches.
It's that hidden knowledge that, all right, this is a zoo. You
know, maybe I signed up for it, Maybe I did. I don't
know. It depends on which side of the glass I'm looking at. But
nevertheless, I'm here and my attitude is this. Now enjoy it. I
mean, writer, I have come to the point as telling my wife we're
celebrating twelve years of marriage, and I said, you know I'm drinking from
the essence of life, and I said, I'm savoring every essence of it.
And I said, I know that our time will eventually come to an
end. Here I get that, But what I'm going to do now is
that I'm going to enjoy it to the fullest I can. Because you know
what, I really don't care if there's a Jesus, I don't care,
if there's a devil, I don't care. I'm not playing their game.
And maybe that is the next step of evolution. You writer, will be
the next voice for your generation going forward. My generation is starting to exit
out the scene, so you know, the torch is being hand off.
We hope that you do a better job at it than we did, but
I think your challenges are going to be far more different than what we ever
could have imagined or experienced. I agree, And that's not to say that
I don't believe in supernatural things or paranormal things. I just don't like seeing
people getting fooled. I don't like seeing people getting fooled, right, And
I have experienced a lot of supernatural things and paranormal things from my life since
I was a very young child. But I'm not going to pretend to know
what any of that is, right, And honestly, I don't care what
it is. I think that unexplainable things happen in our world all the time,
right, But any attempts by us to try and figure that out always
fall short. And then it evolves into extraterrestrials, it evolves into abductions,
it evolves into things the demons, the angels, you know, And I'm
going, yeah, yeah, And it's like, it's not the again that
I don't believe in paranormal or supernatural or the unexplainable, because I do.
I've experienced too much within my life to say that all of that wasn't that
that stuff didn't happen like I believe that it did. But does it serve
me? Right? I mean, does it matter to know what any of
that actually was? Does it change my reality any here? To know exactly
what I experienced as a kid, or that I saw a weird craft when
I was a kid, you know what I mean? What kind of impact
does that really have on my reality? Now? I don't think any.
I don't think it does anything to know what any of that stuff was.
Yeah, it's interesting, and yeah, I can talk about it, but
what does it really do? It just fuels more speculation and more ideologies and
more creation of things for us to try and wrap our head around that makes
absolutely no sense. And then the key on that is is that we're trying
to wrap our head around something that, hey, we really can identify with
b As you said, does it really matter? Because if you start analyzing
it, then you're going to get this right left that you're going to get
this duality thing going, Well, was it real? Was it not real?
What does it matter? I mean I look at life now, as
you know, a supernatural event. It freaking is these bodies. I mean,
who the hell came up with this design? You know, And I'm
thinking, well, they tell me that I'm encased in this body. Yeah,
But at the same time, you know, I think that sometimes I've
been outside my body. I know that for a fact. So instead of
me trying to say that it's this perception of an ideology, the theology,
I've just learned to accept it that it just is. I don't know what
waits for me on the other side. I didn't know what awaited me when
I came into this realm. You know, people all the time to say,
well, you know, when you've taken this kind of this middle of
the road thing, you know that's dangerous. Why Well, because you're not
committed. Well why do I need to commit? Well, you don't understand
your purpose for being here. Well maybe maybe that is my purpose because you
know what people say, Well, my fear of death is is that I
won't exist afterwards. Well if it don't, it ain't gonna matter anyway.
But you know, and I tell people I've considered this writer. I don't
know if I was afraid of my birth, but I do know this now.
It had to be so freaking painful that it was. It blew my
freaking mind. Because the idea of birth itself is that we know you can't
you can't endure it physically. Once is all you can do. It.
Well, I've seen a lot of people die and you know what, it
wasn't anything like they were born. So all right, I can dig that
and let me just finish out on this. What if this is actually the
death realm? What if we're in a realm that is where everything dies,
everything feeds off itself. There's nothing original about this. It is an experience
that we go through so we can say I had to do it just to
experience it. I ain't doing it again. I don't know, because,
as I tell my wife, I said, we we eat something that was
once alive in order to keep us alive. And I said, if this
is life, then it's a perverted definition of life because it means life doesn't
have life anyway, I digress. But then what would die? What would
im mean to be immortal? I mean, some people would think that now
we're asking the question are we truly mortal orre we? Are we immortals experiencing
a mortal's experience, because I don't think unless there's two classes of beings on
the other side, there are the immortals and then there's the mortals. I
mean, I don't know. Maybe the fact that if I really do believe
I exist, I existed before I came here, I'm going to exist,
then that makes me immortal just by my thought alone. And what if we're
really hooked up, like you know, Gene Roddenberry said, we're all sitting
in a chair somewhere. We've got this connection to the and to our base
of our spines and what we're being fed right now. Are thoughts and that
which we're really nowhere at all. But you and I think we're actually talking
to each other, and we actually think that there's people listening and watching us.
I can't see that, you can't see them, but we believe that
they're real. Yeah, I think it's something like that. I think you're
pretty close on that one. Just just talk, you know, for a
friend. I'm just asking you. I think it's pretty close. I think
this reality is not identical to the metrics, but very similar than what people
would like to admit. Well, I mean, and you know, I
know we're getting close to endance, but you know, when you when I
left religion, one of the things I found about Christianity is that there are
thirty thousand different schisms of the beliefs of a Jesus. Well, simple logic
would tell me. Then that means there's thirty thousand different Jesuses. Now,
if I had a thousand people within each one of those thirty thousand, each
one of those thousand that were a part of that thirty thousand of individual groups,
they would have a thousand different ideas of what Jesus would be. I
mean, that's like looking in a mirror two mirrors, it goes to infinity.
Well, then not only that, do we think and believe that if
other planets exist, if there are species on other planets, supposed extraterrestrials,
did Jesus also go to their planet and die and get crucified to save them
as well? Or is this just something that happened on Earth. Yeah,
and then you get into that whole thing of sin. I mean, listen,
I don't have sin. If you're telling me that birth was an inherited
right of a sin thing, hey, I didn't own it to begin with.
And I'm damn sure you know I claimed that damn thing for fifty years.
Do you know? It drives you nuts because you get into this cycle
writer where you go forgive me, and then you get up and go,
oh, I send again forgive me, And then you look like a freaking
idiot because every day you realize you're sinning more and more. But you're supposed
to be a child of God, a child of righteousness. How can you
sin? Maybe it just might be my freaking nature to say hello, I
mean yeah, So I don't get caught up. And if this sin thing
is in the universe or all screwed I mean, screwed. Here's my ticket.
You know, do with it what you want. I'm getting the hell
out of here. Jesus up there smoking a cigarette, looking down on earth.
I'm convinced he's got a good joint, he's got some of the best
bud that's out there, and he's got the mushrooms. And you know,
that's how I met Jesus. I mean, seriously, I was My first
trip on acid was when I was fifteen. But in sixteen I took some
orange sunshine, I met Jesus. I mean, he was a far out
dude, but was he real well for me at the time. Yeah.
Yeah, He's definitely up there sun smoking and looking down on earth. And
those are the sins that I died for a baby, all them sins.
Isn't it odd that now we're finding that mushrooms silicide mushrooms? Is that actually
it's really good for humans? You know, It's so it kind of goes
back. I have a book over there called The Mushroom and the Cross,
and they did the research and said, much like Tucker Carlson said about cannabis,
that the word cannabis was originally in the original Aromatic Hebrew. They say,
and it said that God asked why didn't you bring the cannabis? And
I thought it was really interesting because if you read when Solomon dedicated the temple,
God had to have smoked a joint because he was wanting barbecue. I
mean they slaughtered like a thousand steers that day. There's a lot of barbecue.
Just saying barbecue up didn't have bud Lie bud line. All right,
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Here's my ticket entry for the fight club you told me about. That's right,
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Dick? I don't think I have, but I will. Thanks so much,
Kashiva for you're kind of generous introduced us to the show. And I
also said, next episode, the call to Philip K. Dick. Try
it. Yeah, I don't know. I haven't. I know who Philip
K. Dick is, but I don't think I've read any of his material.
Yeah, it's interesting. So what I wanted to cover really quick with
you before I let you go, Wayne, is this I Am Called that
I mentioned earlier from the thirties with Guy and Edna Ballard here, and this
called actually created a lot of the modern day philosophies and theologies that we find
floating around the community today. And one of the it created many offshoots right
in interpretations for a lot of groups and organizations. Afters and one of the
members split off from the I Am Called and created a new group called the
Bridge to Freedom. And this caught the attention of a gentleman named Mark Prophet
who would later go on to create his own movement called the Summit Lighthouse and
would marry a woman by the name of Elizabeth Claire Wolfe, whose mother was
a follower of the I Am Cult, and the Summit Lighthouse would later be
known as the Church Universal Triumphant with Elizabeth Claire Prophet. But are you familiar
with Elizabeth Claire Prophet? Yes, yeah, I didn't know the lineage.
And Elizabeth Claire Prophet, she would come out and you know, claimed the
channel Saint Jermaine and Channel Jesus. She had Saint Jermaine pictures posted up all
all over a church and she claimed of predictions of apocalyptic doomsday predictions and claiming
that nuclear war was going to happen. And the church established a community in
Montana where they built a series of underground fallout shelters, and I think it
was in March or nineteen ninety the church members head within the shelters in response
to Claire prophets announcement that a nuclear attack on the United States was about to
occur. Wild that this I Am Cult evolved into an actual religion with Elizabeth
Claire Prophets. She took a lot of their ideologies and their beliefs system and
then turned them into her own and created a church on it. Yeah I'm
hearing you. Oh you still I was wondering if you Yeah, no,
no, I'm listening. Yeah. So I thought that that was really interesting
and I covered that on UFO Deem Say Cults Party. But another really interesting
one was this uh joy of Satan call right, yeah, all right,
which is another perfect cult burrito right, which I was what I'd been calling
them called burrito's where they still love everyone's information from uh, you know,
other people and other previous books and uh cult uh practices, And they got
a lot of their information from uh Zachariah Sitching and Anton Levy, right yeah,
and MI stand a lot of their mix it into a new ideology that
incorporated all of these different belief systems and then claimed that Satan was an extraterrestrial
as well, and then Satan was inky and together they created Earth and human
beings, and that the reptilians were the real demons, and that they mixed
their DNA with humans and created the Jewish race. Right yep. They also
turned they changed the uh Anton LaVey's Baphomet and they turned it into they turned
the change the symbols and Anton LaVey's baft. It's such an odd you know,
Anton LaVey, So he was the first one that came out with the
Santanic Bible. I covered it over in my channel in fact read it.
And it's interesting because I was introduced to Anton. It's a back nineteen seventy
one, and yeah as a kid as well as a kid, I was
just sixteen. But the thing I began to understand is that, you know,
these belief systems are mirrors of each other. I mean, Satan is
no more than the antithesis of Jesus, right, and without either one of
them, neither one of them can exist. And yet we as a species
either were So I don't know we should be as a species at IQ's of
ten thousand, but we're now failing behind one hundred. Yet we resert always
back to these gods, these deities, these personifications, and it's all about
submitting ourselves to them. To a thought, a person is a prophetess and
she has this word of God she channels. Well, the fact of the
matter is, if you're in a religion, you're channeling anyway. That's all
prayer is prayer is nothing more than a means of channeling. I mean,
that's what it is. And so it ruins people's lives because they're looking for
a hope that there is a hope that they're counting on that someone's going to
come and make this all better and it's going to just you know, take
away all the ugliness and e T Is going to do it because ET has
a beautiful planet somewhere that they'll take you to, or you can believe in
the Christian story is that you know, Jesus is going to come here and
where is this going to have this big rapture and then all the rest of
the poor sob is left behind. Well, they're going to have the real
big, you know, dump of a sandwich. And it's like you said,
it's it's regurgitated over and over the Jamestown cult remember that during you know,
yeah, same thing. I mean, I don't know. I mean,
what what I've got from this is that you know, you look all
around us and it's virtually you're almost surrounded by cultism. Whether it be of
a religion, whether it be a politics, whether it be of some other
nature, it's all around us. Maybe we're creatures. Writer that have to
have these cults. Maybe that's what we'd like to do, to play with
them. I think so. I think there's something inherent in us that makes
us want to worship and be a part of something outside of ourselves. And
I think, if anything, that's been the true deception, it has been.
I don't think that it's necessarily the fact that someone created these religions and
created some of these ideologies to get people to believe into. The deception is
that we believed in it, we gave our energy to it. Well,
without that thought, yeah, without giving thought to it, then you know
a deity doesn't have any existence. I think Tuto says, so Jesus and
Satan are both sides of the same coin. They are. I mean,
if you believe the Catholic religion. I've shown the prayer of Lucifer. The
Catholic Church acknowledges that Lucifer is God and that Jesus is his son, and
it was Jesus who went down paid the price, and it was Lucifer who
raised him back up. Nina, You're right. You have to have the
good cop bad cop, otherwise the script doesn't work. I've asked, you
know, if Jesus is coming back to save mankind. What's he going to
save us from ourselves? I mean, I look at Jesus now as potentially
as the board ship. Resistance is futile. I mean, because the only
way you're going to become assimulated is it you're going to have to give up
something of yourself. That doesn't sound like a very good outcome. I don't
like that outcome, but that's what And it's the same thing with Mohammed.
It's the same thing with a Minayishi. I mean, it's all out there.
What are they going to come back and save us from? Gonna save
us from ourselves? We can go? I mean, so here we are
back again. You know. It's like, hey, right, wait,
I just saw you. Yeah. Firefly brings up a good point here and
says, what about those of us who never wanted to worship anything? Yes,
yes, I tell you you don't have that deprogramming to go through.
Consider yourself very much a person. I would use the word favor. You
didn't get into that bogmire, So way to go. Why wouldn't God want
worshippers anyway? Yeah? I mean, if a god is if the ego
is so fragile For a jili uh that it has to have worshippers, then
there's something wrong with that whole concept. To begin, I can be grateful,
but I'm certainly not going to kiss your ass. By the way,
when Moses was up on the mount, supposedly, isn't it odd that this
god said that the only thing you could see of his body was his ass.
Read the Book of Exodus. I didn't write it, they did.
So you know what that tells me today? This God wants me to kiss
his ass. And you know the difference between a brown noser an ass kisser
depth perception. How close are you to it? How deep are you into
it? That's amazing, Wayne, Well, thanks so much for coming on,
brother. I really appreciate your time this season. He had a great
writer. I tell you, it's like you're always just like going into a
friend's house, you know, any you know, and you're just sitting down
in your that that favorite chair, you know, and you make the best
complimentary drinks and so yeah, I'm all for it. Thanks so much.
Really enjoyed it. Can you let people know where to find you? Plug
your UA over on YouTube our Wayne Steaker. Same thing with Rumble Odyssey and
speaker back then. I'm actually going to be migrating more over to Rumble.
I think it's going to become a little bit more restrictive in certain you know,
mediums, and so yeah, yeah, I highly recommend Wayne's channel.
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