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hosts philosopher, researcher, educator,
spiritual teacher, and visionary. I want

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to call it in esoteric studies.
Wayne Steiger, Welcome back to the show,

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my friend. How's it going,
Hey, writer, it's doing great.

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Thank you for having me on,
my friend. This is a beautiful

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day and it's always a pleasure and
honor to be with you. Well,

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it's always an amazing conversation with you, brother, and I'm looking forward to

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it. And if you're not subscribed
to Wayne's channel, I highly recommend it.

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The link is in the description.
Wayne has helped me out a lot

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since the inception of my channel,
and I have a lot of respect for

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him and his channel and the topics
and discussion he has over there. So

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go over there and show him some
love from the writer ranger. So,

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Wayne, I want to start this
off with a philosophical question if you don't

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mind, okay, can you think
of any situation where the belief in something

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in turn creates facts and proof of
said hypothetical situation individually on an individual basis

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or individual or collective either one.
Yeah, I mean my first question is

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that philosophically, I you know,
I would say that it's a it's a

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hallway of doors. It's not that
it can't happen. Maybe it does happen,

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But I have found that when you
start getting into that deepness of thought,

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I don't think anyone's initially prepared for
the amount of doors that suddenly open

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to other thought. Yeah, I
agree, And then it comes down.

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I think it comes down to does
our beliefs and our thoughts inevitably create reality

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for the individual? It goes back
to that agual question is where do our

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thoughts come from? Right? And
if our thoughts then create reality, then

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does that create proof or facts backing
up that belief system? This situation vision

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that I can think of is religion, Like right off the bat, with

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Christianity, right, A lot of
people believe in the Bible and what the

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Bible says, So in turn,
they are creating their own proof in their

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own facts within their head, even
though to other people it's not real.

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I don't know if that makes sense
or not. That makes perfect sense.

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You know, I was, you
know, I was a born again spirit

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field tongue talking Christian. Fifty years
of my life, ordained minister, went

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to Bible school, used to preach
in the prisons, used to do healing

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ministries in the hospital. And I
can tell you each individual creates their own

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muse because you have the script,
and that's why you read the Bible every

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day, you know, because it
keeps you into what I call the hypnosis

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syndrome. You're hypnotized by keywords and
you begin to form your reality. And

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in my case, I come from
the cult aspect within Christianity that a was

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more mysticism, because we believe that
there was this invisible power called the Holy

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Spirit, that I could lay my
hands upon you and by speaking in tongues

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over you, that I can suddenly
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I may be able to heal you. And is that real? Is

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it merely because I think it's real. It's my interpretation about what I was

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taught. And then when you get
in with others that have that same vein

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of thought, it gets really spooky
because you have the existing reality outside.

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But as far as you're concerned,
if no one's inside your group, then

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it doesn't matter. I agree with
that. And then is that why you

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think that people gravity toward religion in
the first place? When is because they

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want to experience something out of the
ordinary, whether that be paranormal, supernatural,

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or something otherworldly, and then their
thoughts of the group then fuel that

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reality. Yes, yes, yes, one of the things. When I

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became really born again, this is
what I mean. Getting out of that

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god spell, I begin to realize
that people are drawn to church, to

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religion because they're seeking the supernatural.
They want to see a God that is

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performing miracles, raising the dead,
they want to see the heavens open up

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with lightning, what have you.
That is the stuff that gets them the

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mental orgasm. I know, I've
been there, and it's true. I

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have seen, particularly women in religious
services, actually experiencing orgasms because they believe

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that there was something so tangible that
it overwhelmed them. You know, you

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think about modern day Abrahamic beliefs,
and specifically Christianity, because that's the only

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one I can really truly speak of
of because I was there once. Is

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the world's largest blood cult that has
ever existed on planet Earth, and the

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foundations of Christianity within itself, within
the Abrahamic Covenant, is predicated upon blood.

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Without blood, there can't be any
sacrifice, there can't be no repitiation

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for sin. When you take communion
and drinking the blood, you're eating of

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the flesh. I mean, this
is some bizarre stuff, but we consider

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that to be what God is.
And as a result, you look at

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the world today, We're on the
brink, We're already there. World War

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three has started. The only question
is is that when as a civil war

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start here in the United States,
and part of that war will be a

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religious war. So what I've discovered
with doing with researching all of these UFO

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cults, by the way, amazing
work, Thanks so much, really appreciate

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it. I put a lot of
effort and research and study into it.

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But what I've found is that is
the same thing over and over again,

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with the same ideas, the same
basic ideology, with a majority of it

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stemming from Christianity. And they all
have new revelations right from the Bible that

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they've all claimed to interpreted the Bible, but just slightly different, right different

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than the others as I've researched them, right, and a few things change

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from each of the cults. But
one thing is absolutely clear that all of

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these ideologies stem directly from Christianity and
religious philosophy in order to create something new.

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And I believe this comes from the
disillusionment I don't even know if that's

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a word. I guess disillusionment of
with religion and more specifically the Abrahamic religions,

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and that God and Jesus and Satan
have been replaced with extraterrestrials. Yes,

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and because they replaced who was originally
may have been here, whether it

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was Inky, whether it was in
Ye, whether we actually did come from

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a time where we don't remember where
we worshiped the snake, the serpent was

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a goddess, and it's reversed now
because where we actually had the divine feminine,

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now we have the monotheistic, patriarchal, single belief system, one world

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religion. I mean, if that's
not the ultimate mind control, I don't

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know what is. And then it's
worse because, for instance, in the

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United States, our Constitution is founded
primarily the Bill of Rights on the Book

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of Deuteronomy. Well, if you
read Deuteronomy. There's this real fine stuff

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on the front, but you look
in the back, you got all the

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curses. Okay, but yes,
to your point, religion goes it's an

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ancestuous whore because it will it literally
permeates every aspect of society. And even

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when you don't think that you're a
part of it, you're still a part

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of it. Yeah. Yeah,
And I mean the biggest horror of these

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besides you know, and that's what
actually if you read the Book of Revelations

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is what it is talking about religion, you know, politics, and then

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money is the three headed beast.
It gets into every aspect of politics.

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And then that's where you have this. You have the insidious side that you

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can't see because you got the law. You had to have law, right,

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Well, the law is founded on
a being that has proven to be

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anything but a friend of mankind.
And that's my problem with religion and with

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politics today. And there's many of
people coming to the same conclusion. I'm

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tired of the old ways. I
mean, every we haven't learned in how

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many years of existence about war?
Right then the writer what that says is

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that we have been so corrupted,
so contaminated by these belief systems, believing

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that killing somehow is righteous somehow,
that this is going to carry over into

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the afterlife is some kind of honor. It's not working so anyway. Yeah,

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and then they've just changed it and
turned it into extraterrestrials in order to

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explain it better, in order for
people to wrap their heads around it instead

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of it just bring its enlightenment a
paranormal and a supernatural thing. But then

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comes the really the mean question here, but what happens when people get disillusioned

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with extraterrestrial and UFOs? What happens
then? Not because I think that we're

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approaching that point very quickly, I
myself am approaching that point rapidly. There

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becomes a point where we need to
be like, where are they right?

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If the universe is so populated and
extraterrestrials have been visiting us for thousands of

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years, like some state in the
Vedas and the Hermanas, where are they

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wane? And guess what their explanation
is to this question. It's the exact

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same explanation that's giving in the religious
institutions when the preachers and the bishops and

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the cardinals are asked by their congregations. Where is God? Where is Jesus?

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Right? And everyone knows the answer
to that question. They're invisible,

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right, you can't see them.
That's because they live in you. Yeah,

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yeah, I mean, and when
you look at the et thing,

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it's it's it's this progression now because
we were seeing the single largest exodus out

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of particularly in America. But I
understand it's a it's it's happening pretty much

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around the globe where you're seeing this
mass exodus coming out of what they call

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organized religion, primarily Christendom. And
so now you've got people that are walking

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out disillusioned, they're looking for an
answer. They're they're they're they're spiritual by

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nature, and so now there's this
void. Well, the next one that

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would be something else would be what
would be closest to akin to God would

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be an alien an e t.
I mean, they would know God better

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than we would because they're traveling in
space and we're not. So anything that

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they have to tell us. Well, you could almost take it as the

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gospel, right, because they're more
highly advanced apparently supposedly. Yeah, it's

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just it's very convenient when that you
can't see God, you can't see Jesus.

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They're invisible. You don't know if
they're really there, which is the

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exact same thing with extraterrestrials. They're
invisible. They're on a higher vibratory rate

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than what we are, so that
renders them invisible, or they have some

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sort of cloaking technology. Right,
it's the exact same thing as the explanations

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from religion and why we can't see
God, why we can't see Jesus.

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It's the exact same thing. They're
invisible, you can't see him, but

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they're everywhere. You know. I've
been on my channel been discussing this of

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late, so you know, you've
got this belief, particularly in religion,

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is that God knows everything. That
God knows, there's nothing that he doesn't

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know. And it's number one that
hits a heat to begin with. But

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I've come to the conclusion as I've
meditated on this, I don't believe there

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can be a bean that would absolutely
know everything, because if you knew everything,

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then what's your purpose for existence?
Yeah, there's nothing to live for

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you know everything. And then that
comes in the theory of well, once

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you merge back with sores, then
you then create your own universe and then

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create your own planetary system and put
people on that, and then you go

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back into that existence to live out
and forget right. It's almost exactly like

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the matrix. For Well, if
you take the book Ecclesiastics, there's nothing

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new under the sun that has not
been known to man before, that which

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was shall yet be again. Okay, if you want to take that literally,

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and as a philosopher, I look
at that. I've pondered that many

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times. Then what that's saying is
that none of us have an original thought,

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none of us have experienced anything that
is new. Rock and roll must

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have happened sometime. Again, I
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rock and roll is the one thing
that's splipped the matrix of the That's just

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my opinion. But you get back
to this thing. So, if there's

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nothing new under the sun that's not
been known demand before, what's that saying.

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It's saying that this is insanity.
It's saying that we're in this loop

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that we can't apparently break out of, no matter what we do, no

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matter what we think, no matter
what we believe. Yeah, it's coming

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down to some sort of simulated reality. I think that this more than likely

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is a holographic rejection that we're living
in. None of this is real because

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it only makes sense because we come
here, we don't know who we are,

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we don't know what we're doing,
we don't know anything about our past.

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It makes sense that this is just
a computer simulation. Essentially, it's

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a game. Yeah, I mean, and maybe we're in PCs. Maybe

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there appears to be a master program
running, and it appears that somehow some

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of our kind seem to have an
influence on it. But no matter how

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I look at the NPC, the
master program means running. It's got death

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written all over it. It's like
this part of the game. That's the

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problem with when I left religion.
It is that none of the gods ever

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spill any of their blood. I
mean, Satan, Lucifer, Jesus,

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you know, y'ad, unless you
take the crucifixion, And that then means

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that the cross is really a symbol
of death, not life. But I

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digress. Is that then no matter
what I do, no matter what you

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do, writer, no matter what
anyone's watching this does, it doesn't matter.

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There's this program running, and it's
gonna run no matter what Unfortunately,

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that's what I've figured out too.
But that's not gonna stop me, Wane.

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We're gonna keep We're gonna keep going. That's very discouraging, honestly,

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And you know, just doing the
research on these cults and realizing that I've

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been fooled a lot of people have
been fooled, and I've been there.

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I mean, but you think about
what. Let me ask you a question,

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so out of your study thus far, why the need for cults?

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What is it that draws us into
these belief systems that quite frankly, are

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pretty bizarre in some cases that you
wouldn't think rational people would do, but

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they do. And it's from the
sometimes the most unsuspecting people you wouldn't believe

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would be a part of this.
What have you found why the attraction?

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I think it's the exact same attraction
that we spoke about earlier. For people

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that get into religion, they want
to paranormal, yes, and they want

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to hear something that they've never heard
before, because they're tired of the mundane.

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They think that people are lying to
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is lying to them. And I'm
not here to say either which way the

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government has done a lot of shady
stuff, right, There's no doubt about

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it. But I think that a
lot of them are just disillusioned with reality

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itself and they want answers, and
they go to someone that they think can

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provide them answers. I mean a
lot of these calls that I've studied,

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I've listened to some of the former
call members and they say that it was

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information that they had never heard before, right, Like with the Heaven's Gate

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called here with Marshall apple White,
remember that, Well, it was out

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in California when that happened. People
said that it was like whenever they went

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to their their meetings and their where
like in Oregon, some of their first

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meetings, their first little conferences and
groups and stuff, they were like it

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was like sitting next to Jesus and
that They said that the energy was just

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radiating off of them. Right.
But all that they did was they just

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went around to all of the New
Age centers, all of the different gurus

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and spiritual leaders of the time in
the early seventies, and they collected all

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of their ideas. They read a
bunch of books, they did a bunch

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of you know, study into the
occult and then they cultivated their own belief

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system for their cult, in their
own ideology. They mixed it all together

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and created some they knew, and
they tweaked it and turned it just a

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little bit, and then they were
able to get people to buy into it.

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And they literally had their followers out
in the middle of the woods in

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Colorado and Boulder, Colorado, waiting
for UFOs to come and pick them up,

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telling them to hit a tuning fork
above their head to tune into the

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vibrational frequencies of the UFOs, and
that the UFOs would come and rapture them

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up into the clouds, and that
the clouds aren't really clouds, the clouds

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are UFOs. And then once the
UFOs come and rapture them up, which

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is exactly like, yeah, I
think that's Paul's story of you know,

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the catching Away of the Saints.
They've all just reinterpreted the Bible, turned

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it into something different. And they
claimed that whenever the UFOs come, they'll

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be raptured up into the next evolutionary
level above human, and that they would

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be physically turned into an extraterrestrial.
But then, like all of these cults,

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their ideologies change. They all turn
into spiritual and consciousness ascension. It's

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no longer a physical ascension because whenever
these predictions and these ideologies do not come

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to fruition, they have to keep
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And with Bonnie Nettles, she died
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and then Marshall apple White had to
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they looked at Bonnie as a prophet
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and they were all believed that she
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is still part of the Abrahamic belief
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was a part of what they called. We were the name It, Claim

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It group. You know, when
the charismatic movement hit the world in the

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late seventies and then began to blossom
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whole new awareness of the spiritual aspect. What I found out in my studies

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is that really what we thought was
the new charismatic movement in the late seventies

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was actually kind of an extension of
what happened in nineteen oh six in the

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Uzuzu Street Revival, and it was
all predicated around this paranormal, supernatural,

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unseen force which we called the Holy
Spirit. And the problem with this is

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is what I found is that eventually, no matter how spiritual you want to

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be, the physicality takes over.
And in my case, you know,

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I studied under Kenneth Hagen, Kenneth
Copeland, I knew them all, and

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the message went from this spiritualness to
this message of prosperity. God wants you

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to be rich, well, okay, and it gets bizarre from there.

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So I know I'm identifying perfectly with
what you're saying because it was a cult

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and it is a cult. Which
is interesting because Marshall Applewaite says the almost

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exact opposite. He said to how
you know that you're speaking with beings from

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heaven what she calls the next level? Uh, is that based on how

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your life is going. So if
you have a lot of riches, and

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you have and you're really popular,
and you have a nice house and a

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nice car, and I have a
nice life here in this reality, then

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you're not in communication with the beings
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communication with God because God would not
want you to have nice things in this

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reality. But Jesus had his feet
washed in this special perfume lard that today

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would be the equivalency of about ten
thousand dollars. The fact that Mary and

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Martha were in fact millionaires in today's
terms, because this Jesus cat went around

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never working, but he had a
following that provided for all of his needs,

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which made it convenient because he never
had to own anything. Why because

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he was hanging around with the rich
people. It's exactly what happened. You

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know, if you read the Altner's
story, you find out that Mary,

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supposed to Jesus' mother, was actually
the niece to the cat that actually buried,

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you know, opened up the tomb. Come to find out that that

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dude, and I'll think of the
name here in a second, actually ran

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all the mining interest for the Roman
Empire. He was Jewish, He was

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extremely rich. He would be even
above you know, look at all on

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the day, you know, whether
you're looking at Gates or whoever. So

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then that contradicts that whole thing.
Yeah, it really does. And what

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my study has shown with these UFO
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they hang around they try and get
rich people to come in and give them

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money so that they don't have to
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And I can't find the picture right
now, but the Order of the

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Solar Temple call in Geneva, Switzerland
was an elitist cult and it only accepted

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members that had an abnormally large bank
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their two compounds in Switzerland, uh, one in France and one in Switzerland

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was right right on the border they
burnt down. Some of the investigators found

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papers that showed that some members were
donating up to a million dollars to their

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call. Thank God good, I'll
tell you this love Ernest ANGELI used to

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say. And actually Ernest's Angel,
he actually owned a seven forty seven.

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You know. He says you have
no need, only in need to believe

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it in Jesus. That's right,
offering plate please. Well, that's what

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Guy and Guy and Ed and the
Ballard did the almost exact same thing.

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And from the call of I am
in the early thirties. They know they

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got indicted for mail fraud. Yeah
yeah, and it's all about the money.

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It is. I could give her
name. She's well known, was

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very close to President Trump, was
one of his spiritual advisors. You know

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what she told me, She said
this salvation message. That's she says.

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What really is important is that in
the day is what's in the offering plate

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because God wants me to be wealthy
so I can communicate with God and delivered

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to the people a special message that
God has given me. But I need

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your tithes in offering because God has
said, according to Malachi that you know,

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he blesses the one who ties yeah, by your way into heaven to

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salvation. I mean and and and
that and that's see, the word salvation

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is a trigger word. Did you
watch that movie called Hypnotize? That was

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this out real? Uh? Just
recently forget the guy who is the guy

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who played in Pearl Harbor lead role. The dude was I just watched a

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movie called Hypnotic with Ben ask thank
you? Yeah, so you know,

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really good movie. I really enjoy
it. It's a great movie. I

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mean, it makes you think that
all of us who are participating in this

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medium, you know, we don't
know if we've been preconditioned with a with

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a trigger word. Salvation is one
of those trigger words in Christianity because it

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invokes the aspect of death, fear
I'm going to be lost, so I

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need salvation. Well, salvation then
means I have to change my thinking,

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to adapt myself to another thought.
I mean, this gets weird. Well,

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another thing is why is God so
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What does he do with it?
I mean, what does Saint Jermaine from

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the I AM cult in the thirties
have to do with the monetary system?

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Right? Why are they so concerned
with money? Because that is God,

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agreed. I mean, I'm being
very you know, straightforward, it's God.

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I have found that the God of
the Bible doesn't exist. I mean,

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I've challenged Christians to tell me where
did the Father come from? Because

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if you're telling me God was Jewish
initially back in the Old Testament, and

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you're telling me that that God is
now this God, then we got a

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problem because you're talking about someone who
has schizophrenia. I mean, you can't

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have a jealous and vengeful God.
Then you got me. You're telling me

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that it's the Father, and that
the Father is full of love and compassion

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and he only wants the very best
of us. But he had to slaughter

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his only so called son, because
he's a bloodthirsty son of a bitch that

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has deceived the world into believing that
there is something that it isn't. Well,

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majority of the for that stigger,
I know, had seat, but

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I wouldn't want to be in heaven
anyway. Blasphemy, Wayne, Blasphemy burned

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my ass at the stake, you
know, three hundred years ago. Well

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that's the thing. That's the thing
about these cults, though, is they

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all claim that these extraterrestrials deceived humanity
into believing that they were gods. The

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Rayel from the Raalian cult said that
the Elohem deceived humanity into believing that they

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were gods. The Joy of Satan
cult that I covered also believed that Uh

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Satan was an extraterrestrial and that they
deceived humanity into believing that they were gods.

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The cult that I covered just yesterday
the the other day on Thursday,

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the Call of Vntrovis, believe that
these extraterrestrials, two groups of extraterrestrials came

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to the planet a billion years ago
or a million years ago and then deceived

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humanity in the thinking that they were
gods and then they engineered and created us,

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which I don't know, but that's
the thing that they use to try

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and wrap people's heads around the paranormal. They're they're trying to make it physical

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when it may be supernatural, it
may be paranormal, it may be something

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that we don't understand and will never
understand. But they're trying to break it

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down into words that we can actually
conceive it with our minds. But that

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still doesn't make it correct. That
still doesn't make it right, factual,

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or have any evidence to back it
up right. It's almost identical, just

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in a different way. They just
switched around the words and then created something

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new. And it's and again,
as you said, it's it's the same

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thing. It's the basically, it's
the core message. You know. I

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say this on my channel all the
time, writer that I'm pretty much I'm

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well adapted into the mystery schools of
thought, you know what they call the

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occult. But I had fifty years
of initiation through Christianity that allowed me to

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graduate to become an adapt into the
occult because I found out that Christianity,

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in where it took its identity was
from Pagans, it was from the multiplicity

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of different cult beliefs, and they
consolidated them and we've lost those those traits.

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But apparently it's something about us.
So you know, what are we

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doing here? Why are we here? What's the purpose? It seems like

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we're a mistake. It seems we
cannot we a Number one, are a

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species of amnesiacs. No one knows
where the hell we came from. No

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one our science, our religion,
our philosophies, we don't know where we

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came from. That's disturbing. Two, it seems we have this in eight

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aspects of us our makeup to where
we're warlike. We're either striving to subdue

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something or someone, or we are
being subdued by someone or someone or something.

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And lastly, we seem to be
not to be able to live in

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peace, we must have conflict.
And in this case we're a war species.

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We're not warlike, we are a
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a philosopher, I've been in December, writer, I'll be on the planet

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for twenty five thousand days, and
in those twenty five thousand days nothing has

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changed. It's only gotten progressively worse. Yeah, that's my whole thing too,

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is why and I think I've mentioned
to you before on the show,

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but I think it's important to mention
again is why hasn't our way of life

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changed any Why are we still doing
the same things? Why are we still

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using the same exact things. Like, the only thing that's progressed has been

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our technology, and that's the only
thing that's changed in our reality. But

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if we were to put as much
emphasis on the development of technology into our

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way of life, then I believe
that we would we would be living in

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a golden age of humanity. But
we talk about technology because it's interesting because

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the vast majority of technology we're using
today was this because I was part of

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that. I was back in the
days before there was anything called e commerce.

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In fact, I had the e
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the mind Share up in Beaver Creek. The technology we have today, no

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one that invented it and brought it
out was ever looking to make a buck.

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It was fun. It was you
know, just look at what we

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can do. Something changed, something
came in and corrupted it, and now

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our technology is enslaving us. You
have generations now, and I'm sure that

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in your studies that you know those
under the age of thirty. They weren't

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around when I was growing up,
where we had a phone that was attached

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to a chord. We didn't have
computers, we didn't have cell phone,

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we didn't have any of it.
And they look at us like we're dinosaurs,

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Like we don't even belong on this
planet anymore. That is, and

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as you get older, you look
back on this and you're going, something's

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wrong here. If this message of
religion, the message of ets, if

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it was so positive, then why
aren't we seeing the changes on a collective

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level. Why aren't we seeing changes
in government? Why aren't we seeing changes

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in industry? We're not. We're
regressing, and we seem to be regressing

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further and further into this hole that
I don't think there seems to be any

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escape. I agree, and I
think that why we don't see those types

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of changes that you're talking about is
because they don't exist. See, they

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just don't exist. And that's I
mean, I really love my species.

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You know. They tell me I'm
a Homo sapien I okay, I mean

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they're telling me I live on a
planet in Earth, but they can't tell

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me where I am in the universe. Oh, but they can't see past

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one hundred million miles. But now
you're gonna tell me, you know exactly

404
00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:22.400
where I'm in the Wait a minute, you know, it's like Carl Sagan

405
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:28.559
said, he said the futility of
humanity, and he says it's a sad,

406
00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:34.519
sad footnote to humanity is that we
don't seem to be able to progress.

407
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:44.800
Yeah, we're stuck in like a
constant loop and a regurgitation of older

408
00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:50.519
thoughts and ideas for a new generation
of people. Right, And that goes

409
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:55.400
back to one of my original questions
when we started to show what happens when

410
00:38:55.440 --> 00:39:04.519
people get disillusioned with these UFOs and
these extraterrestrials. Right, because it can

411
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:09.480
only go on for so long without
any solid proof and solid evidence. Right,

412
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:14.119
we can only keep this train going
on for so long. And they've

413
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:19.239
been supposedly landing since the thirties.
Right, All of these calls have made

414
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:24.800
predictions of mass landings of UFOs and
extraterrestrials that never come true. All of

415
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:29.320
them, every one of them.
All the extraterrestrials are going to be landing

416
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:37.880
anytime. The call from the a
theorist known not a Theorist Society, but

417
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:44.480
Unarious Academy. Unarious Academy made a
prediction that in two thousand, the thirty

418
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:50.440
three UFO ships were going to land
in California. The seekers UFO called in

419
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:53.440
the early fifties said that the UFOs
were going to land and save the United

420
00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:58.360
States from a global natural disaster,
and that they were going to be raptured

421
00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:01.800
up. You know, it never
happens. So how long are we going

422
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:08.800
to keep going along with this subset
of Christianity and religion without any solid proof?

423
00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:15.400
And now it's gone so far when
this ideology, in this belief system

424
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:22.920
of extraterrestrials in UFOs that we now
have somebody that is a supposed whistleblower testifying

425
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:31.719
in front of Congress saying that they
have crashed extraterrestrial or non biological whatever nonsense

426
00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:37.360
that he was saying, and that
the government has these bodies. But he's

427
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:45.119
providing zero proof, zero evidence.
It's more stories, stories after stories,

428
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:49.519
stories compounded upon stories, ideologies that
are proven not to be true, compounded

429
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:53.800
upon other ideologies that are proven to
not be true. It's gotten that far.

430
00:40:54.280 --> 00:41:00.719
And I just watched an amazing documentary. I know if you've seen it.

431
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:06.079
Watched it last night called Mirage Man. Have you watched Mirage Man.

432
00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:09.639
It's an amazing documentary. You can
watch it on free on YouTube. I'm

433
00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:14.079
going to cover this eventually, but
I'm telling everyone now to go and watch

434
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:22.360
this documentary called mirajmn. It's literally
the government planting fake information about extraterrestrials and

435
00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:30.840
UFOs to certain people. And the
main arbitrary of that was a man named

436
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:37.000
Richard Dody that was working for the
United States Air Force that was a known

437
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:44.039
disinformation and misinformationalist, and he went
to people popular people in the community to

438
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:49.880
give them false information about UFOs and
extraterrestrials. One of his big ones was

439
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:55.800
a gentleman named Bill Moore. He
wrote the book on Roswell in nineteen eighty.

440
00:41:55.840 --> 00:42:02.519
They got everybody to believe that Roswell
was an actual extra terrestrial craft and

441
00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:07.840
that there was bodies in it,
but it was made up. He made

442
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:15.440
it up and gave this gentleman Bill
Moore, the information to write his book

443
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:22.199
about. Because no one cared about
Roswell. It resurfaced again in the eighties

444
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:27.639
whenever that book by Bill Moore came
out, and then it got everyone interested

445
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:30.199
in it again, and then everyone's
like, oh my god, it must

446
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:36.159
not have really been a crashed balloon
or a crash dummy or what It must

447
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:42.880
have been a real extraterrestrial craft.
And the government's got bodies. Everything that

448
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:49.400
Rick Dodie basically put into the zeitgeist
of the community back then when he was

449
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:55.639
actually doing it is established lore in
mythology within the community now. And he

450
00:42:55.800 --> 00:43:01.119
was doing that to cover up advanced
techologies that the government was working on,

451
00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:07.840
because there were some people that were
living near military bases that were was getting

452
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:14.440
video footage of advanced craft that the
government was working on, and they had

453
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:19.519
to go in and feed him just
and misinformation to throw him off of the

454
00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:22.519
trail so that he can go out
there and be like, oh, you

455
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:25.119
know, I'm seeing this at a
military base. They made him believe that

456
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:31.960
it was extraterrestrials. Sounded like they
were almost hypnotized. But he did it

457
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:37.559
to several people. He did it
countless people, big people within the community.

458
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:42.880
He did it to Linda Moulten Howe, Yeah, like, it's unbelievable,

459
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:45.360
And I was just like taken back
because I knew that it was bad

460
00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:52.480
in the community. But when I
watched this documentary, I really implore anybody

461
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:58.280
anyone's listening right now to just type
in Mirage Men on YouTube and watch that

462
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:01.679
documentary. It's like an hour and
a half and it leaves almost everything out

463
00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:08.760
for you and the disinformation from these
agents within the Air Force, and actually

464
00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:13.039
has Walter Bosley in it too,
back then when it was made, and

465
00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:17.880
I've had Walter Bosley on my show
several times. It's just unbelievable. When

466
00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:22.960
you look at the history of this
stuff and where it comes from, it

467
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:25.199
turns out that a majority of it
just comes from a bunch of nonsense,

468
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:30.519
and it's soddening. It's very My
question is, is then, what's the

469
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:35.719
endgame here? What is the purpose? I mean, if this is the

470
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:38.599
case, and you know, I
don't know, it brings up thought there

471
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:45.199
are there really a group of non
humans? I mean, you know,

472
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:49.320
are we looking at token? Are
we looking at the Middle Earth? Lower

473
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:54.559
Earth? Is there really a race
of advance being that really went inside the

474
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:59.880
Earth, you know, leaving us
on the surface. I don't know,

475
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:05.719
because I don't know if we're that
smart to bring all this together. Maybe

476
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:12.559
we are, but it certainly seems
like we're being manipulated no matter which direction

477
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:15.960
we go. And if you live, you've asked, what's the next step?

478
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:19.800
After you become so disillusioned with it
all, you become a nihilist.

479
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:28.679
And that's that's I think that's particularly
dangerous because when a person gets to that

480
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:32.519
point where they believe in nothing,
then the great fear is is that they

481
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:39.639
don't believe in themselves. And as
an actual person, I don't know if

482
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:44.559
I like the next thought, because
you know, maybe it becomes this this

483
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:50.960
place where life, no land,
no longer matters. If you don't have

484
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:55.519
a purpose and a reason for living, that's a that's a that's a hell

485
00:45:55.639 --> 00:46:00.480
that I just I can't. I
can't. I can imagine it, I

486
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:05.159
just can't imagine being there. Oh
no, And I agree with you one

487
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:09.840
hundred percent. And then but then
also it could be that people revert back

488
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:19.559
to Christianity. Well now let's talk
about that. Yeah, maybe people personally,

489
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:22.960
I know, listen, I have
them write me, no, how

490
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:25.320
could you forsake Christ? You know, did you not realize you're going to

491
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:29.239
hell? And I wrote them back, I said, I really don't want

492
00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:34.039
to be in heaven. I mean
if if that's the case, my generation

493
00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:36.840
brought rock and roll in. I
want to go to where the gun?

494
00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:40.159
Where? Where? Where did all
the bands are at? Or? Is

495
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:45.920
there really an afterlife? How can
you actually say that there's an afterlife?

496
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:49.800
Are you saying then that? What? What is that we suddenly have this

497
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:54.719
magic thing, that we're suddenly this
glob of consciousness and that somehow we're existing

498
00:46:54.760 --> 00:47:00.840
in a ethereal realm that we don't
have. I mean, that gets pretty

499
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:05.760
bizarre. Well, I want to
go back to Christianity. Religion says we

500
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:12.239
don't worry about that. Here,
take this pill, swallow it, and

501
00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:15.880
we got this place for you called
heaven. Well, what am I going

502
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:20.480
to do? Don't worry about that. It's just a good place, okay,

503
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:22.239
because if you don't go there,
we're going to go to this bad

504
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:28.880
place. What's that? Well it's
the opposite of the good place. Well

505
00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:32.679
you never defined what the good place
was. Well, it's just the opposite.

506
00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:37.760
And the person goes, I'll sign
up for that, Thank you,

507
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:42.719
Jesus. Bring it on on.
You know, I repent of my sins,

508
00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:45.920
you know, forgive me, and
you're going right back to where you

509
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:51.320
started from. Yeah, We've seen
that several times with people that would get

510
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:55.360
into the New Age community, and
well, the New Age move it's been

511
00:47:55.400 --> 00:48:02.039
compromised by the Christians that left.
They brought their theology with them, and

512
00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:07.159
they now they screwed it all up
because now we've got a mystical Jesus.

513
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:09.400
No, we have a loving care
I mean, I'm confused as to which

514
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:16.159
Jesus and CONSCIOUSNSM I was both talked
to. There's too many. They're all

515
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:21.599
over the place, at least in
the occult you know, you realize that

516
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:28.400
in occultism, and true occultist realize
this is that it's very possible that all

517
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:31.920
of these things exist. It's very
possible none of them exist. What really

518
00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:37.880
is important is to understand that you
exist. And that's what occultism teaches.

519
00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:42.719
It's that hidden knowledge that, all
right, this is a zoo. You

520
00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:45.039
know, maybe I signed up for
it, Maybe I did. I don't

521
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:49.960
know. It depends on which side
of the glass I'm looking at. But

522
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:55.400
nevertheless, I'm here and my attitude
is this. Now enjoy it. I

523
00:48:55.519 --> 00:49:00.000
mean, writer, I have come
to the point as telling my wife we're

524
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:05.960
celebrating twelve years of marriage, and
I said, you know I'm drinking from

525
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:09.480
the essence of life, and I
said, I'm savoring every essence of it.

526
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:15.239
And I said, I know that
our time will eventually come to an

527
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:19.400
end. Here I get that,
But what I'm going to do now is

528
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:22.880
that I'm going to enjoy it to
the fullest I can. Because you know

529
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:25.400
what, I really don't care if
there's a Jesus, I don't care,

530
00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:29.480
if there's a devil, I don't
care. I'm not playing their game.

531
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:36.360
And maybe that is the next step
of evolution. You writer, will be

532
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:42.320
the next voice for your generation going
forward. My generation is starting to exit

533
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:45.039
out the scene, so you know, the torch is being hand off.

534
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:51.039
We hope that you do a better
job at it than we did, but

535
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:54.880
I think your challenges are going to
be far more different than what we ever

536
00:49:55.480 --> 00:50:01.840
could have imagined or experienced. I
agree, And that's not to say that

537
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:09.480
I don't believe in supernatural things or
paranormal things. I just don't like seeing

538
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:15.920
people getting fooled. I don't like
seeing people getting fooled, right, And

539
00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:23.159
I have experienced a lot of supernatural
things and paranormal things from my life since

540
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:27.519
I was a very young child.
But I'm not going to pretend to know

541
00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:30.599
what any of that is, right, And honestly, I don't care what

542
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:36.719
it is. I think that unexplainable
things happen in our world all the time,

543
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:40.639
right, But any attempts by us
to try and figure that out always

544
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:49.760
fall short. And then it evolves
into extraterrestrials, it evolves into abductions,

545
00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:54.480
it evolves into things the demons,
the angels, you know, And I'm

546
00:50:54.599 --> 00:51:00.880
going, yeah, yeah, And
it's like, it's not the again that

547
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:06.760
I don't believe in paranormal or supernatural
or the unexplainable, because I do.

548
00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:13.480
I've experienced too much within my life
to say that all of that wasn't that

549
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:19.360
that stuff didn't happen like I believe
that it did. But does it serve

550
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:23.880
me? Right? I mean,
does it matter to know what any of

551
00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:30.239
that actually was? Does it change
my reality any here? To know exactly

552
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:35.880
what I experienced as a kid,
or that I saw a weird craft when

553
00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:39.480
I was a kid, you know
what I mean? What kind of impact

554
00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:45.760
does that really have on my reality? Now? I don't think any.

555
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:49.599
I don't think it does anything to
know what any of that stuff was.

556
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:52.559
Yeah, it's interesting, and yeah, I can talk about it, but

557
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:58.760
what does it really do? It
just fuels more speculation and more ideologies and

558
00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:02.639
more creation of things for us to
try and wrap our head around that makes

559
00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:08.920
absolutely no sense. And then the
key on that is is that we're trying

560
00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:14.360
to wrap our head around something that, hey, we really can identify with

561
00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:20.199
b As you said, does it
really matter? Because if you start analyzing

562
00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:22.239
it, then you're going to get
this right left that you're going to get

563
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:25.159
this duality thing going, Well,
was it real? Was it not real?

564
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:30.760
What does it matter? I mean
I look at life now, as

565
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:37.440
you know, a supernatural event.
It freaking is these bodies. I mean,

566
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:39.400
who the hell came up with this
design? You know, And I'm

567
00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:44.440
thinking, well, they tell me
that I'm encased in this body. Yeah,

568
00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:46.039
But at the same time, you
know, I think that sometimes I've

569
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:52.920
been outside my body. I know
that for a fact. So instead of

570
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:58.280
me trying to say that it's this
perception of an ideology, the theology,

571
00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:04.119
I've just learned to accept it that
it just is. I don't know what

572
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:07.159
waits for me on the other side. I didn't know what awaited me when

573
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:13.000
I came into this realm. You
know, people all the time to say,

574
00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:15.800
well, you know, when you've
taken this kind of this middle of

575
00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:19.719
the road thing, you know that's
dangerous. Why Well, because you're not

576
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:23.920
committed. Well why do I need
to commit? Well, you don't understand

577
00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:29.000
your purpose for being here. Well
maybe maybe that is my purpose because you

578
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:32.559
know what people say, Well,
my fear of death is is that I

579
00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:37.280
won't exist afterwards. Well if it
don't, it ain't gonna matter anyway.

580
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:45.159
But you know, and I tell
people I've considered this writer. I don't

581
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:47.880
know if I was afraid of my
birth, but I do know this now.

582
00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:52.800
It had to be so freaking painful
that it was. It blew my

583
00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:58.079
freaking mind. Because the idea of
birth itself is that we know you can't

584
00:53:58.519 --> 00:54:01.719
you can't endure it physically. Once
is all you can do. It.

585
00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:07.719
Well, I've seen a lot of
people die and you know what, it

586
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:13.199
wasn't anything like they were born.
So all right, I can dig that

587
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:16.559
and let me just finish out on
this. What if this is actually the

588
00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:22.320
death realm? What if we're in
a realm that is where everything dies,

589
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:28.360
everything feeds off itself. There's nothing
original about this. It is an experience

590
00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:31.119
that we go through so we can
say I had to do it just to

591
00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:35.400
experience it. I ain't doing it
again. I don't know, because,

592
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:39.320
as I tell my wife, I
said, we we eat something that was

593
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:45.800
once alive in order to keep us
alive. And I said, if this

594
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:52.079
is life, then it's a perverted
definition of life because it means life doesn't

595
00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:59.840
have life anyway, I digress.
But then what would die? What would

596
00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:05.920
im mean to be immortal? I
mean, some people would think that now

597
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:13.599
we're asking the question are we truly
mortal orre we? Are we immortals experiencing

598
00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:20.960
a mortal's experience, because I don't
think unless there's two classes of beings on

599
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:23.840
the other side, there are the
immortals and then there's the mortals. I

600
00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:28.519
mean, I don't know. Maybe
the fact that if I really do believe

601
00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:30.480
I exist, I existed before I
came here, I'm going to exist,

602
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:37.079
then that makes me immortal just by
my thought alone. And what if we're

603
00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:40.639
really hooked up, like you know, Gene Roddenberry said, we're all sitting

604
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:45.840
in a chair somewhere. We've got
this connection to the and to our base

605
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:50.199
of our spines and what we're being
fed right now. Are thoughts and that

606
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:54.199
which we're really nowhere at all.
But you and I think we're actually talking

607
00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:59.039
to each other, and we actually
think that there's people listening and watching us.

608
00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:00.760
I can't see that, you can't
see them, but we believe that

609
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:08.960
they're real. Yeah, I think
it's something like that. I think you're

610
00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:13.639
pretty close on that one. Just
just talk, you know, for a

611
00:56:13.639 --> 00:56:15.719
friend. I'm just asking you.
I think it's pretty close. I think

612
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:22.639
this reality is not identical to the
metrics, but very similar than what people

613
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:25.679
would like to admit. Well,
I mean, and you know, I

614
00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:29.480
know we're getting close to endance,
but you know, when you when I

615
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:32.920
left religion, one of the things
I found about Christianity is that there are

616
00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:43.480
thirty thousand different schisms of the beliefs
of a Jesus. Well, simple logic

617
00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:47.679
would tell me. Then that means
there's thirty thousand different Jesuses. Now,

618
00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:52.960
if I had a thousand people within
each one of those thirty thousand, each

619
00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:57.639
one of those thousand that were a
part of that thirty thousand of individual groups,

620
00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:05.079
they would have a thousand different ideas
of what Jesus would be. I

621
00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:07.320
mean, that's like looking in a
mirror two mirrors, it goes to infinity.

622
00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:15.119
Well, then not only that,
do we think and believe that if

623
00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:21.960
other planets exist, if there are
species on other planets, supposed extraterrestrials,

624
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:29.440
did Jesus also go to their planet
and die and get crucified to save them

625
00:57:29.480 --> 00:57:34.679
as well? Or is this just
something that happened on Earth. Yeah,

626
00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:37.239
and then you get into that whole
thing of sin. I mean, listen,

627
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:42.400
I don't have sin. If you're
telling me that birth was an inherited

628
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:45.119
right of a sin thing, hey, I didn't own it to begin with.

629
00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:50.480
And I'm damn sure you know I
claimed that damn thing for fifty years.

630
00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:53.159
Do you know? It drives you
nuts because you get into this cycle

631
00:57:53.559 --> 00:57:58.239
writer where you go forgive me,
and then you get up and go,

632
00:57:58.280 --> 00:58:00.880
oh, I send again forgive me, And then you look like a freaking

633
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:07.079
idiot because every day you realize you're
sinning more and more. But you're supposed

634
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:09.920
to be a child of God,
a child of righteousness. How can you

635
00:58:10.039 --> 00:58:17.920
sin? Maybe it just might be
my freaking nature to say hello, I

636
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:22.039
mean yeah, So I don't get
caught up. And if this sin thing

637
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:29.920
is in the universe or all screwed
I mean, screwed. Here's my ticket.

638
00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:31.480
You know, do with it what
you want. I'm getting the hell

639
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:36.920
out of here. Jesus up there
smoking a cigarette, looking down on earth.

640
00:58:37.159 --> 00:58:38.840
I'm convinced he's got a good joint, he's got some of the best

641
00:58:38.840 --> 00:58:42.880
bud that's out there, and he's
got the mushrooms. And you know,

642
00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:46.639
that's how I met Jesus. I
mean, seriously, I was My first

643
00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:51.400
trip on acid was when I was
fifteen. But in sixteen I took some

644
00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:54.519
orange sunshine, I met Jesus.
I mean, he was a far out

645
00:58:54.599 --> 00:59:01.960
dude, but was he real well
for me at the time. Yeah.

646
00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:07.400
Yeah, He's definitely up there sun
smoking and looking down on earth. And

647
00:59:08.880 --> 00:59:13.280
those are the sins that I died
for a baby, all them sins.

648
00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:17.440
Isn't it odd that now we're finding
that mushrooms silicide mushrooms? Is that actually

649
00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:22.119
it's really good for humans? You
know, It's so it kind of goes

650
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:24.639
back. I have a book over
there called The Mushroom and the Cross,

651
00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:30.760
and they did the research and said, much like Tucker Carlson said about cannabis,

652
00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:37.639
that the word cannabis was originally in
the original Aromatic Hebrew. They say,

653
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:44.840
and it said that God asked why
didn't you bring the cannabis? And

654
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:49.800
I thought it was really interesting because
if you read when Solomon dedicated the temple,

655
00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:53.239
God had to have smoked a joint
because he was wanting barbecue. I

656
00:59:53.239 --> 01:00:00.159
mean they slaughtered like a thousand steers
that day. There's a lot of barbecue.

657
01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:12.440
Just saying barbecue up didn't have bud
Lie bud line. All right,

658
01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:15.760
we got a few super chants and
superstickers to get through really quick. But

659
01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:19.880
if anybody has any questions for Wayne, I'm gonna roll for about ten ten

660
01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:24.119
more minutes if Wayne has time.
First up is a hound Dog with a

661
01:00:24.159 --> 01:00:27.880
two dollars super chat. Thanks so
much, Hondog for your kind of generous

662
01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:31.960
and support of the show. And
another supersticker from hond Dog five dollars supersticker.

663
01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:36.639
Thanks so much, hond Dog appreciates
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664
01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:39.599
a two dollars super trick. Greetings
Wayne and writer, Thanks so much.

665
01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:45.039
Nina appreciates you a lot. Noble
Truth with a five dollars super child.

666
01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:49.320
Here's my ticket entry for the fight
club you told me about. That's right,

667
01:00:49.360 --> 01:00:53.239
we're gonna do a We're gonna do
a conspiracy fight club. That will

668
01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:59.000
be fun. Thanks so much,
noble true appreciate you. Kid. Shiva

669
01:00:59.119 --> 01:01:02.559
sends a two dollars super China says, has Wayne read any Philip K.

670
01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:08.440
Dick? I don't think I have, but I will. Thanks so much,

671
01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:14.360
Kashiva for you're kind of generous introduced
us to the show. And I

672
01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:16.000
also said, next episode, the
call to Philip K. Dick. Try

673
01:01:16.039 --> 01:01:20.119
it. Yeah, I don't know. I haven't. I know who Philip

674
01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:22.440
K. Dick is, but I
don't think I've read any of his material.

675
01:01:23.719 --> 01:01:28.400
Yeah, it's interesting. So what
I wanted to cover really quick with

676
01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:34.039
you before I let you go,
Wayne, is this I Am Called that

677
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:42.039
I mentioned earlier from the thirties with
Guy and Edna Ballard here, and this

678
01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:49.159
called actually created a lot of the
modern day philosophies and theologies that we find

679
01:01:49.159 --> 01:01:54.159
floating around the community today. And
one of the it created many offshoots right

680
01:01:54.199 --> 01:02:00.360
in interpretations for a lot of groups
and organizations. Afters and one of the

681
01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:04.800
members split off from the I Am
Called and created a new group called the

682
01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:10.159
Bridge to Freedom. And this caught
the attention of a gentleman named Mark Prophet

683
01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:17.599
who would later go on to create
his own movement called the Summit Lighthouse and

684
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:25.079
would marry a woman by the name
of Elizabeth Claire Wolfe, whose mother was

685
01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:30.679
a follower of the I Am Cult, and the Summit Lighthouse would later be

686
01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:39.440
known as the Church Universal Triumphant with
Elizabeth Claire Prophet. But are you familiar

687
01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:46.480
with Elizabeth Claire Prophet? Yes,
yeah, I didn't know the lineage.

688
01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:52.440
And Elizabeth Claire Prophet, she would
come out and you know, claimed the

689
01:02:52.639 --> 01:03:00.239
channel Saint Jermaine and Channel Jesus.
She had Saint Jermaine pictures posted up all

690
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:08.800
all over a church and she claimed
of predictions of apocalyptic doomsday predictions and claiming

691
01:03:08.840 --> 01:03:15.800
that nuclear war was going to happen. And the church established a community in

692
01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:24.400
Montana where they built a series of
underground fallout shelters, and I think it

693
01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:36.920
was in March or nineteen ninety the
church members head within the shelters in response

694
01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:40.800
to Claire prophets announcement that a nuclear
attack on the United States was about to

695
01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:54.440
occur. Wild that this I Am
Cult evolved into an actual religion with Elizabeth

696
01:03:54.519 --> 01:04:00.239
Claire Prophets. She took a lot
of their ideologies and their beliefs system and

697
01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:11.440
then turned them into her own and
created a church on it. Yeah I'm

698
01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:15.119
hearing you. Oh you still I
was wondering if you Yeah, no,

699
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:19.840
no, I'm listening. Yeah.
So I thought that that was really interesting

700
01:04:19.880 --> 01:04:25.679
and I covered that on UFO Deem
Say Cults Party. But another really interesting

701
01:04:25.760 --> 01:04:33.280
one was this uh joy of Satan
call right, yeah, all right,

702
01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:41.440
which is another perfect cult burrito right, which I was what I'd been calling

703
01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:45.199
them called burrito's where they still love
everyone's information from uh, you know,

704
01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:50.840
other people and other previous books and
uh cult uh practices, And they got

705
01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:59.480
a lot of their information from uh
Zachariah Sitching and Anton Levy, right yeah,

706
01:04:59.599 --> 01:05:02.599
and MI stand a lot of their
mix it into a new ideology that

707
01:05:03.159 --> 01:05:10.280
incorporated all of these different belief systems
and then claimed that Satan was an extraterrestrial

708
01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:15.639
as well, and then Satan was
inky and together they created Earth and human

709
01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:21.360
beings, and that the reptilians were
the real demons, and that they mixed

710
01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:31.119
their DNA with humans and created the
Jewish race. Right yep. They also

711
01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:41.559
turned they changed the uh Anton LaVey's
Baphomet and they turned it into they turned

712
01:05:41.559 --> 01:05:46.559
the change the symbols and Anton LaVey's
baft. It's such an odd you know,

713
01:05:47.159 --> 01:05:50.360
Anton LaVey, So he was the
first one that came out with the

714
01:05:50.440 --> 01:05:54.719
Santanic Bible. I covered it over
in my channel in fact read it.

715
01:05:56.599 --> 01:06:02.519
And it's interesting because I was introduced
to Anton. It's a back nineteen seventy

716
01:06:02.559 --> 01:06:09.800
one, and yeah as a kid
as well as a kid, I was

717
01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:14.119
just sixteen. But the thing I
began to understand is that, you know,

718
01:06:14.199 --> 01:06:17.920
these belief systems are mirrors of each
other. I mean, Satan is

719
01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:24.039
no more than the antithesis of Jesus, right, and without either one of

720
01:06:24.079 --> 01:06:29.159
them, neither one of them can
exist. And yet we as a species

721
01:06:29.719 --> 01:06:35.239
either were So I don't know we
should be as a species at IQ's of

722
01:06:35.480 --> 01:06:41.440
ten thousand, but we're now failing
behind one hundred. Yet we resert always

723
01:06:41.559 --> 01:06:47.199
back to these gods, these deities, these personifications, and it's all about

724
01:06:47.239 --> 01:06:53.199
submitting ourselves to them. To a
thought, a person is a prophetess and

725
01:06:53.239 --> 01:06:56.239
she has this word of God she
channels. Well, the fact of the

726
01:06:56.239 --> 01:07:00.000
matter is, if you're in a
religion, you're channeling anyway. That's all

727
01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:04.719
prayer is prayer is nothing more than
a means of channeling. I mean,

728
01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:12.960
that's what it is. And so
it ruins people's lives because they're looking for

729
01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:16.039
a hope that there is a hope
that they're counting on that someone's going to

730
01:07:16.119 --> 01:07:20.119
come and make this all better and
it's going to just you know, take

731
01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:25.119
away all the ugliness and e T
Is going to do it because ET has

732
01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:28.639
a beautiful planet somewhere that they'll take
you to, or you can believe in

733
01:07:28.679 --> 01:07:31.000
the Christian story is that you know, Jesus is going to come here and

734
01:07:31.000 --> 01:07:33.960
where is this going to have this
big rapture and then all the rest of

735
01:07:33.960 --> 01:07:36.840
the poor sob is left behind.
Well, they're going to have the real

736
01:07:36.880 --> 01:07:43.079
big, you know, dump of
a sandwich. And it's like you said,

737
01:07:43.119 --> 01:07:47.880
it's it's regurgitated over and over the
Jamestown cult remember that during you know,

738
01:07:49.119 --> 01:07:55.960
yeah, same thing. I mean, I don't know. I mean,

739
01:07:56.039 --> 01:07:58.679
what what I've got from this is
that you know, you look all

740
01:07:58.719 --> 01:08:04.199
around us and it's virtually you're almost
surrounded by cultism. Whether it be of

741
01:08:04.239 --> 01:08:08.440
a religion, whether it be a
politics, whether it be of some other

742
01:08:08.559 --> 01:08:13.400
nature, it's all around us.
Maybe we're creatures. Writer that have to

743
01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:16.920
have these cults. Maybe that's what
we'd like to do, to play with

744
01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:27.000
them. I think so. I
think there's something inherent in us that makes

745
01:08:27.079 --> 01:08:31.119
us want to worship and be a
part of something outside of ourselves. And

746
01:08:31.159 --> 01:08:35.880
I think, if anything, that's
been the true deception, it has been.

747
01:08:36.279 --> 01:08:43.680
I don't think that it's necessarily the
fact that someone created these religions and

748
01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:47.600
created some of these ideologies to get
people to believe into. The deception is

749
01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:54.159
that we believed in it, we
gave our energy to it. Well,

750
01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:58.239
without that thought, yeah, without
giving thought to it, then you know

751
01:08:58.319 --> 01:09:00.680
a deity doesn't have any existence.
I think Tuto says, so Jesus and

752
01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:04.159
Satan are both sides of the same
coin. They are. I mean,

753
01:09:04.479 --> 01:09:10.239
if you believe the Catholic religion.
I've shown the prayer of Lucifer. The

754
01:09:10.279 --> 01:09:15.199
Catholic Church acknowledges that Lucifer is God
and that Jesus is his son, and

755
01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:19.239
it was Jesus who went down paid
the price, and it was Lucifer who

756
01:09:19.359 --> 01:09:24.479
raised him back up. Nina,
You're right. You have to have the

757
01:09:24.520 --> 01:09:30.800
good cop bad cop, otherwise the
script doesn't work. I've asked, you

758
01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:32.920
know, if Jesus is coming back
to save mankind. What's he going to

759
01:09:32.960 --> 01:09:41.039
save us from ourselves? I mean, I look at Jesus now as potentially

760
01:09:41.079 --> 01:09:46.399
as the board ship. Resistance is
futile. I mean, because the only

761
01:09:46.439 --> 01:09:49.439
way you're going to become assimulated is
it you're going to have to give up

762
01:09:49.479 --> 01:09:55.840
something of yourself. That doesn't sound
like a very good outcome. I don't

763
01:09:55.960 --> 01:09:59.600
like that outcome, but that's what
And it's the same thing with Mohammed.

764
01:09:59.600 --> 01:10:01.760
It's the same thing with a Minayishi. I mean, it's all out there.

765
01:10:02.800 --> 01:10:08.680
What are they going to come back
and save us from? Gonna save

766
01:10:08.760 --> 01:10:12.079
us from ourselves? We can go? I mean, so here we are

767
01:10:12.119 --> 01:10:15.199
back again. You know. It's
like, hey, right, wait,

768
01:10:15.239 --> 01:10:19.159
I just saw you. Yeah.
Firefly brings up a good point here and

769
01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:24.840
says, what about those of us
who never wanted to worship anything? Yes,

770
01:10:25.159 --> 01:10:29.119
yes, I tell you you don't
have that deprogramming to go through.

771
01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:32.960
Consider yourself very much a person.
I would use the word favor. You

772
01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:44.119
didn't get into that bogmire, So
way to go. Why wouldn't God want

773
01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:49.399
worshippers anyway? Yeah? I mean, if a god is if the ego

774
01:10:49.640 --> 01:10:59.079
is so fragile For a jili uh
that it has to have worshippers, then

775
01:10:59.119 --> 01:11:01.520
there's something wrong with that whole concept. To begin, I can be grateful,

776
01:11:01.840 --> 01:11:06.039
but I'm certainly not going to kiss
your ass. By the way,

777
01:11:06.520 --> 01:11:11.399
when Moses was up on the mount, supposedly, isn't it odd that this

778
01:11:11.560 --> 01:11:15.680
god said that the only thing you
could see of his body was his ass.

779
01:11:19.319 --> 01:11:23.359
Read the Book of Exodus. I
didn't write it, they did.

780
01:11:25.479 --> 01:11:28.760
So you know what that tells me
today? This God wants me to kiss

781
01:11:28.760 --> 01:11:34.199
his ass. And you know the
difference between a brown noser an ass kisser

782
01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:45.119
depth perception. How close are you
to it? How deep are you into

783
01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:50.560
it? That's amazing, Wayne,
Well, thanks so much for coming on,

784
01:11:50.680 --> 01:11:53.880
brother. I really appreciate your time
this season. He had a great

785
01:11:54.119 --> 01:11:57.920
writer. I tell you, it's
like you're always just like going into a

786
01:11:58.000 --> 01:12:00.159
friend's house, you know, any
you know, and you're just sitting down

787
01:12:00.199 --> 01:12:04.119
in your that that favorite chair,
you know, and you make the best

788
01:12:04.119 --> 01:12:09.119
complimentary drinks and so yeah, I'm
all for it. Thanks so much.

789
01:12:09.159 --> 01:12:12.000
Really enjoyed it. Can you let
people know where to find you? Plug

790
01:12:12.039 --> 01:12:15.279
your UA over on YouTube our Wayne
Steaker. Same thing with Rumble Odyssey and

791
01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:20.039
speaker back then. I'm actually going
to be migrating more over to Rumble.

792
01:12:20.279 --> 01:12:26.600
I think it's going to become a
little bit more restrictive in certain you know,

793
01:12:26.840 --> 01:12:30.560
mediums, and so yeah, yeah, I highly recommend Wayne's channel.

794
01:12:30.680 --> 01:12:34.479
The link is in the description.
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795
01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:39.439
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797
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798
01:12:48.199 --> 01:12:51.239
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799
01:12:51.399 --> 01:12:51.920
next time.