1 00:00:08,599 --> 00:00:12,640 What up? Everyone? Welcome back to the dragon Ball Version podcast. Today 2 00:00:12,679 --> 00:00:20,000 we are discussing morow chapters the dragon Ball Supermonga up to chapter sixty seven is 3 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,440 today's episode, and then in two weeks we're gonna discuss the rest of the 4 00:00:24,719 --> 00:00:28,679 dragon Ball Supermonga. So we're gonna catch up and all that granola stuff. 5 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,000 And then we're also going to be as a bonus watching the Dragonball Evolution movie 6 00:00:33,439 --> 00:00:38,759 and sharing our thoughts as a little bonus for that episode. So can't wait 7 00:00:38,759 --> 00:00:43,200 for that. That's gonna be fun. And what else stood out to you 8 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:48,880 this time around? Ray? First thing, I actually read manga. I 9 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:53,240 mean it's been a while, so that was an interesting experience because it's something 10 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,600 I haven't done so far for the show. Yeah, is read you have 11 00:00:57,719 --> 00:01:02,719 the right to left down right? I hope? So o geez. It's 12 00:01:02,759 --> 00:01:07,879 like they defeated the guy and then you know, then it got I thought 13 00:01:07,879 --> 00:01:12,040 it was one of those like reverse chronological things where they show the end and 14 00:01:12,079 --> 00:01:15,640 then they end up telling them how they go out there. No, I 15 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,280 figured that out. And the good thing is, like I read it online 16 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,920 and I was even telling you, I'm really impressed with how you could find 17 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,280 a lot of manga online, so a lot of resources out there, I 18 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:32,719 could find the manga and for a lot of these, like manga viz dot 19 00:01:32,719 --> 00:01:37,000 com for like two bucks a month or something crazy, you can have access 20 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:42,319 to like hundreds, one hundred chapters a day of like Dragon Ball, Naruto, 21 00:01:42,599 --> 00:01:45,719 like all the popular showing and ones we cover a lot on the on 22 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,640 the Enemy Up War channel, but also on the podcast. You honestly can't 23 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,280 be that price, Like I'm sure like maybe they have an even like an 24 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,079 app or something that you could read it more comfortably on your phone. But 25 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,439 yeah, who knows, if I end up again Explore or more Manda, 26 00:02:01,079 --> 00:02:07,319 I might end up purchasing that because yeah, I mean it's a pretty cool 27 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,919 idea. But anyways, what I thought about the entire arc, I mean 28 00:02:12,199 --> 00:02:15,759 it was interesting that we got some things I did really enjoy, Like that 29 00:02:15,879 --> 00:02:22,520 transformation, we got silver hair. This time we have Vegeta who's really growing 30 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,719 as a character. Like I found in this arc, he really grew compared 31 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:32,919 to just where he started back and driving. This one had a lot of 32 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:39,000 Vegeta shining moments. So that was cool. Um making Boo relevant. I 33 00:02:39,039 --> 00:02:45,599 know, like it wasn't necessarily boo as being that star that Lord of Lords, 34 00:02:45,719 --> 00:02:51,639 but making him relevant was interesting. Um we get kicking ass there in 35 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:58,560 the form yeah, of the Lord of Um. Yeah, so that was 36 00:02:58,599 --> 00:03:01,919 pretty cool. And then also, like we've talked about how super has a 37 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:07,800 lot of that fan fiction and like reference to the past, and I definitely 38 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,960 saw that through the characters of like Morrow. You saw some kind of cell 39 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,479 like qualities about him in terms of absorbing energy. Oh yeah, definitely. 40 00:03:15,479 --> 00:03:22,280 And you also have like even the design the face like after the seven three, 41 00:03:22,319 --> 00:03:28,360 if that's correct, the absorption he takes on cell like qualities around the 42 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,240 phase area. Yeah, and you even like you got some of those Freezer 43 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:38,919 vibes back in the Namic saga where he's going around invading the different Namechian Camps, 44 00:03:39,039 --> 00:03:43,479 like you get all those kind of flash. He had a unique feel 45 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,879 to him in the sense that what he did was he went around and absorbed 46 00:03:46,919 --> 00:03:51,759 planets. But if there were strong opponents. He wasn't like Freeze, who 47 00:03:51,879 --> 00:03:54,919 was scared of the potential of saying so he wanted to wipe out all sands. 48 00:03:55,000 --> 00:04:00,159 This guy's like let him roam like wild stock, you know. And 49 00:04:00,199 --> 00:04:02,199 then eventually they'll get stronger and I'll be able to eat him. So his 50 00:04:03,159 --> 00:04:09,639 his a cockiness was on another level compared to even Freeza. Yeah, he 51 00:04:09,719 --> 00:04:12,319 understands he has to play the long game with some of them, because even 52 00:04:12,319 --> 00:04:16,439 at one time when they're like, oh they're Vegeta and Goku are coming or 53 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:19,720 they're still here, and he's like, oh, yeah, they'll get stronger 54 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:25,959 and then eventually I'll just absorb them. So he's thinking ahead and that's one 55 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,759 of his strategies. But yeah, obviously, yeah, he's thinking ahead in 56 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,319 the sense of like also being cocky, right, because someone thinking ahead might 57 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:38,000 be like, bro, let's nip this in the bud, right, Yeah, 58 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,959 but he's like just cocky and yeah, he's ten million years old, 59 00:04:42,079 --> 00:04:45,600 right, And for some reason that's he viewsed that as like a big deal. 60 00:04:45,959 --> 00:04:47,439 And I mean it is, it is a big deal, but he 61 00:04:47,639 --> 00:04:53,120 views it as like, Yo, how could this race the sayings that came 62 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:58,759 like came into existence only a few million years ago or a million years ago 63 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,680 or less than a million, I don't all the exact number, but he's 64 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,360 like, how could they threaten or beat me? So it's like all of 65 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,680 a sudden because he's been around for ten million years. He feels like everyone 66 00:05:08,759 --> 00:05:13,040 younger than him is inferior. Yeah. Yeah, and obviously, like cockiness 67 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,720 gets the best of him. It becomes his eventual demise in a way, 68 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,439 like this is before he turns into the Earth. But he thinks he could 69 00:05:20,959 --> 00:05:26,879 like sustain all this power that he absorbs, and sure enough he can't. 70 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,800 But we'll get to that. I don't know if you want to start at 71 00:05:29,879 --> 00:05:32,519 the beginning and just do like chronological, we can totally. We can totally 72 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:39,959 start at the beginning. Yeah. For me, the beginning was right after 73 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,040 a Tournament of Power. Yeah, take us, take us through it. 74 00:05:44,519 --> 00:05:46,759 Yeah. So they do that little recap of the Tournament of Power in the 75 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,079 forty second chapter, But then we get right to the kidnapping of Boo. 76 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:56,959 We get these aliens from outside the planet. I didn't think they were the 77 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,759 Glastic Police at first. I thought it was going to be I thought it 78 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,519 was going to be something like they're coming to Earth. They kidnaped Boo's body 79 00:06:05,079 --> 00:06:09,120 and they're trying to like manipulate it in such a way, kind of like 80 00:06:09,639 --> 00:06:13,279 what's happening at the very end where they take something and they want to possibly 81 00:06:13,319 --> 00:06:16,199 manipulate it, but turns out they were stealing his body because of that history 82 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,519 he had. And the first couple of chapters go through all that history where 83 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:25,480 we get the flash weight of the ten million years ago of the Lord of 84 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:30,160 Lords and that whole history of the split that when there was that split with 85 00:06:30,199 --> 00:06:33,600 the Lord of Lords, you got the Boo we see like the overweight Boo, 86 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,879 and then you get the evil Boo who has that god power. And 87 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:41,240 then it's kind of cool it ties in the whole Ub story and why Bob 88 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,959 this sole significant as he goes godlike powers. That's one of the strengths of 89 00:06:45,079 --> 00:06:49,279 Dragon Ball super Like. They've taken stuff from Dragon Ball Z that was very 90 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:56,360 almost underwhelming, like sometimes the Ub stuff, and they made it. They 91 00:06:56,399 --> 00:07:00,240 kind of made it more interesting in my opinion, because we got this kid 92 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:05,399 at the end of Draging Ball Z and it wasn't like super super interesting in 93 00:07:05,399 --> 00:07:10,319 my opinion, like Ub as a character. But now that we're building more 94 00:07:10,399 --> 00:07:15,240 around him and starting to learn more about him, I'm getting more interested in 95 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,240 U because now all of a sudden, he has the God key. All 96 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,439 of a sudden, that makes so much more sense. Why Goku wanted to 97 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:26,720 train him, right, So there's all this added weight to his character. 98 00:07:27,319 --> 00:07:30,199 And so now Dragon Ball Super is actually making Dragon Ball Z ending better, 99 00:07:30,279 --> 00:07:34,040 which I like. Right, Yeah, it's almost like they're cleaning up some 100 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:40,480 of the loose ends or like you mentioned, underwhelming parts of Z and giving 101 00:07:40,519 --> 00:07:44,279 them that good kind of narrative background. So I did appreciate that it made 102 00:07:44,279 --> 00:07:48,480 things. It just made a little bit more significant. So that was interesting 103 00:07:48,519 --> 00:07:56,000 getting that whole back history of them. And then we end up getting introduced 104 00:07:56,079 --> 00:08:01,040 more to Morrow in his situation and how it kind of took me back again, 105 00:08:01,079 --> 00:08:05,680 like all these little kind of references to Z and Dragon Ball of when 106 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:13,279 I think it was Roshi's Master ended up containing was it like Girly Junior or 107 00:08:13,279 --> 00:08:16,199 something? Someone contained girl Junior. I get that whole idea. How moral 108 00:08:16,279 --> 00:08:18,800 was someone who like was really tough to be defeated, so we had to 109 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,519 be contained. And then he goes into the prison and then finally escapes, 110 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:28,199 so you get that different threat. Yeah, he wasn't yeah, like he 111 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:35,240 wasn't defeated necessarily, he was more or less captured. So he's this you 112 00:08:35,279 --> 00:08:41,559 know villain that again he doesn't have like this um losses in his track record, 113 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,399 it's more of a capture than a defeat. So we get that backstory, 114 00:08:43,399 --> 00:08:50,120 and then we find out obviously he's loose and he's trying to during that 115 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,679 first part obtain like full power, that power that he had before. And 116 00:08:54,919 --> 00:09:00,000 something interesting. He's able to actually locate the dragon balls, which I don't 117 00:09:00,039 --> 00:09:01,879 think we've seen that in any sort of villain so far. Yeah, it's 118 00:09:01,919 --> 00:09:07,320 interesting. He could like sense them, right, and you could sense other 119 00:09:07,919 --> 00:09:11,360 what is it others can't sense him or he could sense other people, like 120 00:09:11,799 --> 00:09:15,840 some new sensing ability he has. I want to say, I forget the 121 00:09:15,879 --> 00:09:18,039 exact ability, but anyways, Yeah, he's you know, it's an interesting 122 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,000 character in the sense of he has these new powers that some of these other 123 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:28,159 characters don't have. So yeah, I mean he's this ruthless guy. I 124 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:33,960 mean esthetically, before the transformation, I thought it was pretty underwhelming. I 125 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:39,159 thought like, well, I don't know, because I feel like this this 126 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:45,799 transformation is more dragon ball Z like the second one. But it was unique. 127 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:50,240 I liked how unique the first version was. Really Yeah, I just 128 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,120 saw it as kind of underwhelming. It was like this kind of creature that 129 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,200 I don't know I just I didn't find it was that cool aesthetically, but 130 00:09:58,279 --> 00:10:01,879 I think the trans formation brought it out. Yeah, so that's yeah. 131 00:10:01,919 --> 00:10:05,080 You like it when they go back to like, you know, basics with 132 00:10:05,159 --> 00:10:11,360 the Dragon. Yeah, no, And I think you'll notice that the Moral 133 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:16,679 arc has a lot of the stuff we love from other arcs, and they 134 00:10:16,759 --> 00:10:18,240 kind of like just put a bunch of them together, Like you said, 135 00:10:18,279 --> 00:10:24,240 the absorption stuff. Um, you have the amicians come back like and play 136 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,480 a role, right, the namic Vegeta gets to a tone for his past 137 00:10:26,519 --> 00:10:31,480 sins against a Mechians. This time we didn't have Piccolo save Gohan, but 138 00:10:31,519 --> 00:10:35,720 we had Gohan save Piccolo which was coming too the rescue which is always fun. 139 00:10:35,399 --> 00:10:39,879 And yeah, we had we had that again moment which I want to 140 00:10:39,919 --> 00:10:45,879 hear how how you're thinking about it where Goku at the end, which we 141 00:10:45,919 --> 00:10:48,840 could wait to talk about it, but just initially, Um, how he 142 00:10:48,879 --> 00:10:52,519 gives him a sense of beat and helps heal him up after he's like, 143 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,720 oh yes, I'll change right. So that was huge nod back to Freezer, 144 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:03,320 Yeah, and was I couldn't stand that, Like I've talked about how 145 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,519 at times in Super Goku's got on my nerves on many occasions, and that 146 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,200 right there, I think, like you're someone who you're supposed to like learn 147 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:16,120 lessons as you fight, and it seems like hit that naivete just remains with 148 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:20,639 him the whole time. The way it is interesting one part though, it 149 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,320 looks like he is going to finish him off because he says, like, 150 00:11:22,799 --> 00:11:28,120 oh, are you going to like he almost seems like he's actually going to 151 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,840 kill him, like finish him. He said he will, he just reverses 152 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,879 the decision. He wants to talk. Well, at one point after he 153 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,720 says he's going to kill him, he just wants to talk for a bit, 154 00:11:39,919 --> 00:11:41,559 and that's when he absorbs the Earth, right, and then the he 155 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:46,600 becomes one with the Earth. Yea. But yeah, Goku, like there 156 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:52,320 is progression and dragon Ball obviously with strength levels and we see that with obviously 157 00:11:52,639 --> 00:11:56,840 Goku is pretty much always getting stronger so as a Jeta and that's cool. 158 00:11:58,399 --> 00:12:03,279 But yeah, with kind of lessons like don't show too much mercy to the 159 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,519 bad guy, Goku, we just have to accept will not learn those lessons 160 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:13,320 because he's had plenty of opportunities by now to learn to not like give a 161 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,679 sense of being to the guy, and they do kind of explain it where 162 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:22,480 he, in his opinion, if anything bad happens, he'll just get stronger 163 00:12:22,519 --> 00:12:26,320 and beat the guy. So if he comes back, he'll just gets wrong 164 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:31,320 and beat him. So he's definitely not a hero for justice. He's just 165 00:12:31,399 --> 00:12:33,600 like, bro, I find it exciting to let bad guys go and then 166 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:39,200 I can find him again. It's just it gets too much, like I 167 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:46,120 talked to you again, like this week. This was not obviously during the 168 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,720 episode, but at some point this week we were talking about that. And 169 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,639 there's so many things I like about Goku, Like I like his positive mentality. 170 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,480 What it seems like it's things are just going to go to hell. 171 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:01,200 He's always not very positive spin yeah. But then but then there's other times 172 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,159 I think, come on, like you have to use your common sense here. 173 00:13:05,279 --> 00:13:07,159 And maybe there are two sides of the same Maybe there're two sides of 174 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,200 the same coin where it's like we respect the fact that he almost never seems 175 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,440 to freak out. It's almost always like, oh, don't worry, we'll 176 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:16,919 figure it out, even though no one knows how they'll figure it out. 177 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,240 But at the same time, maybe that is also why he's careless, and 178 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:26,039 he actually lets himself get into situations where he shows mercy and then he ends 179 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:31,960 up actually kind of making the situation much worse. It always works out well 180 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,960 in his defense, well I mean, but but it definitely seems like he's 181 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,559 playing with fire when he doesn't need to be a lot of the time. 182 00:13:39,039 --> 00:13:43,320 Yeah, I want to put Goku aside for a minute and talk about how 183 00:13:43,879 --> 00:13:48,919 something else I liked about this arc was how certain Dragon Ball Z, like 184 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:54,320 those traditional Z fighters way back from Dragon Ball Z, they had some moments 185 00:13:54,360 --> 00:14:00,919 to shine and Bro, we actually got jumpt back bro, and yet they 186 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,840 almost make a joke out of him when they use him. But he did 187 00:14:05,279 --> 00:14:11,440 actually beat some guys, but it was sad because when Goku came to rescue 188 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:16,279 them kind of after the training, um, they kind of said, yo, 189 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,759 they were weak enough for even us to beat. So it's like so 190 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,600 much disrespect for himself there. He's like, yeah, that guy was strong, 191 00:14:24,679 --> 00:14:26,840 but these other guys, yeah, they were waking up for us to 192 00:14:26,919 --> 00:14:31,559 beat. There's another moment too, I don't I literally left a lot reading 193 00:14:31,559 --> 00:14:37,080 this. This is when um the Jocko came and he's telling them like they 194 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:41,799 got to recruit some people, and they're like thinking, okay, like Tiene 195 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,200 will get him, like and then they're like Ten doesn't have a cell phone, 196 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,159 which I respect so much because he's this kind of like you know, 197 00:14:46,559 --> 00:14:54,320 Zen type guy who said minimalists with that kind of yeah. But then they're 198 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,480 like recruiting people and then they're like, okay, we got everyone we need. 199 00:14:56,759 --> 00:15:01,480 And then the panel before the end up like switching to another scene, 200 00:15:01,559 --> 00:15:05,200 Krellan's like, well what about Yampcha, and like no one turns and looks 201 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,559 at him, almost like he's just a forgotten thought. But then someone would 202 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,240 have had to grab his attention to tell him, like we need you. 203 00:15:11,279 --> 00:15:16,360 But I just thought, like, just another shot at Yampcha. How he 204 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,080 wasn't even considered, like and they considered all these like Krill and they were 205 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,320 thinking of all these other people, and then Yampcha was just this afterthought. 206 00:15:24,759 --> 00:15:26,600 Eventually was able to shine for a bit there, which was pretty cool. 207 00:15:26,639 --> 00:15:31,799 It was interesting how he said though he is in the top three of earth 208 00:15:31,879 --> 00:15:35,600 Links, So that's that's a fun fact, right, So I'm guessing, 209 00:15:35,879 --> 00:15:39,600 you know, not counting saying not counting the Mechi and stuff like that. 210 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:43,600 So yeah, I guess him Krell and t A. Oh okay. See, 211 00:15:43,639 --> 00:15:48,200 you know that's interesting because I when he said that at this point, 212 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,360 whoever's living on Earth, I just have kind of categorized him as earth Links. 213 00:15:52,399 --> 00:15:56,279 I never actually thought it in the way of like original earth Links. 214 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,000 So if that's the case, Yeah, that is thing to consider, is 215 00:16:00,039 --> 00:16:03,879 he Yeah, I think I mean people in the check it. Correct me 216 00:16:03,879 --> 00:16:07,639 if I'm wrong, But I'm pretty sure if you just count pure human beings, 217 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,159 Yeamtra may well be in the top three with Krillin and ten. I'm 218 00:16:12,159 --> 00:16:18,919 trying to think of anyone. Yeah, so that's yeah, that's that's a 219 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,519 good that's a good point. So Roshi might be somewhere there, but Roshi 220 00:16:22,679 --> 00:16:26,480 in historically he lagged behind. But they definitely did give him a power boost 221 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,240 and dragon Ball Super. Yeah, no, it was. It was cool 222 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,360 to see those characters. As I've been talking about, it'd be great to 223 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,759 see ya just you know, get a little small moment to shine and he 224 00:16:37,799 --> 00:16:41,360 does there. So that's pretty cool and that's kind of the thing. So 225 00:16:41,879 --> 00:16:45,440 let's get back to the actual initial planet. How did you feel about them 226 00:16:47,039 --> 00:16:51,159 getting defeated? Right, Goku and Vegeta initially got wrecked and then they had 227 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:55,080 to go on and do their training. So did you like that twist? 228 00:16:56,559 --> 00:17:00,600 Yeah, I mean they got wrecked from obviously it's one of those things and 229 00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:06,759 we've seen this before in Dragon Ball Z where your power actually becomes the thing 230 00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:11,960 that you know, defeats you are ends up becoming an obstacle because he's able 231 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,599 to absorb their power. They can't even turn super Satan at any point. 232 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:21,119 He can't even transport, like do instant transmissions. So that was interesting because 233 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:27,519 again it builds on this whole character of moral how it seems like strength now 234 00:17:27,559 --> 00:17:32,039 becomes a disadvantage because he's able to absorb you. So that was that was 235 00:17:32,079 --> 00:17:36,119 an interesting thing right there, and it's like a humbling experience for them, 236 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:41,079 and then it even pushes Vegeta to understand how like it's not all about pure 237 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:45,920 strength, but he goes to that planet in order to like what would you 238 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,920 call it, kind of align his spiritual side with his physical side. Yeah, 239 00:17:51,079 --> 00:17:52,759 yeah, which was that was an interesting decision. Like there's a lot 240 00:17:52,759 --> 00:17:57,799 of character growth for Vegeta there because I mentioned he wanted to protect the Amechians 241 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:02,640 and do what's right. Then Amekians because he felt bad for what he did 242 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,640 in the past. And then Amekians said, like, he's like, do 243 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:11,559 you guys hate me? Something along those lines, and the elder said, 244 00:18:11,759 --> 00:18:15,599 we don't hold those judgments, right, we don't worry about the past, 245 00:18:17,599 --> 00:18:22,680 we don't hold on to grudges. So that probably touched him too after everything 246 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,279 he did, and yeah, he just saw it as a way to atone 247 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,359 for his sins of the past, and he really took that seriously. And 248 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,680 yeah, he was even open minded enough to try something completely out of his 249 00:18:34,759 --> 00:18:41,480 comfort zone in order to in order to actually make that happen. And yet 250 00:18:41,599 --> 00:18:45,480 I like that whole thing. How he went to yard Draft and then that's 251 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:51,839 when Goku learned to telpportation technique, but Vegeta took it further. And then 252 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,279 we also saw more about that planet, which we didn't really in the anime, 253 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:59,640 so that was fun too. Yeah, there's so much growth with him 254 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,440 being to do that training, because you see, all the training he's done 255 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:06,480 is just him putting his body, like pushing his body to the limit, 256 00:19:06,839 --> 00:19:10,839 and that training is so different from that. And even later on, like 257 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:17,799 he's not really gloating about like shining there when he ends up fighting Marrow for 258 00:19:17,839 --> 00:19:19,279 the second time, the others are like, oh wow, it seems like 259 00:19:19,279 --> 00:19:25,200 he's surpassed Goku, but he never really flaunts that, and he usually does 260 00:19:25,759 --> 00:19:30,039 number one and number two later on when they end up giving Goku his energy. 261 00:19:30,279 --> 00:19:33,440 Remember that one time It brought me back to I want to say it 262 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:38,920 was either the Cell or Boo saga where everyone ended up giving their energy to 263 00:19:40,559 --> 00:19:42,680 I believe Goku, and Virginia was so hesitant, Like this time, he's 264 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:47,200 just like, there's no questioning it. He knows what to do. So 265 00:19:47,279 --> 00:19:52,599 again, he doesn't care about being that person who is the person who shines 266 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,480 at the end to defeat him, Like he knows he has to do what's 267 00:19:55,599 --> 00:19:59,599 right and he's willing to take a backseat. And I very much appreciate that 268 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,000 in term of his growth, because yeah, this arc he really like. 269 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:08,480 I really liked Vegeta here. I like the character he's becoming man And honestly, 270 00:20:08,519 --> 00:20:11,359 I don't think it's a big spoiler, but everyone that's caught up in 271 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:18,799 the comments, yeah, so pretty much this will continue this like cool Vegeta 272 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:25,000 focus and yeah, I can't can't wait to get your response on the next 273 00:20:25,039 --> 00:20:27,559 chapters after this as well. But yeah, Vegeta, they've done. I 274 00:20:27,599 --> 00:20:33,200 think that's one of my favorite things about Drying Ball Super how they're treating Vegeta, 275 00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:37,680 because, like I've said this before and Drying Ball Z, Vegeta seems 276 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:44,680 to always take this back seat, and right now, I feel like, 277 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,920 you know, he's kind of right now, he's trying to keep up with 278 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:53,400 Goku, right with Master Dultra instinct, like you can't deny right now in 279 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:59,319 the manga, Goku is ahead to what we saw right now, right in 280 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:04,880 this arc. But Vegeta got his own unique power which was spear efficient, 281 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:11,519 which could separate fusions, could help against Morrow, and it was key to 282 00:21:11,759 --> 00:21:15,680 Goku being able to defeat Moro to destroy the Crystal. So he played his 283 00:21:15,799 --> 00:21:18,519 role. And yeah, he's just maintaining strength. He's always training with Goku, 284 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,559 and um, yeah, I can't wait to see how that progresses and 285 00:21:23,079 --> 00:21:29,359 how serious the rivalry gets. Yeah, no, I'm loving it. I'm 286 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,759 excited to see what happens in the next start. Like you said, it 287 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:37,480 seems like this Vegeta focus is going to continue and possibly in an even better 288 00:21:37,519 --> 00:21:41,720 way. So I'm excited to see that. Yeah, yeah, because in 289 00:21:41,839 --> 00:21:45,319 drag Ball drag Ball Z did seemed like Goku and Gohan were like the alternating 290 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:51,119 guys, right, while here it's more so Goku and Vegeta who are the 291 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:56,000 alternation heroes. And that's another thing too, Like Gohan, he's taken such 292 00:21:56,039 --> 00:22:00,079 a backseat in super and it was nice even within this art seeing him step 293 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,640 up and nothing significant but I think never again, but he was willing to 294 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,279 do like put what he was doing behind and step up here, and that 295 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,799 was nice to see. I always like seeing Gohan moments because obviously we find 296 00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:18,119 out fighting is not his number one priority like all these other people. It's 297 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,319 far down on the maybe not far down, but it's definitely not a top 298 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,079 three thing on the list anymore. That's so interesting because we're told that, 299 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,640 you know, half sayans have greater potential than full sayings, we were told 300 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:34,559 on the path, but yet it'll just never be maximized potential because there isn't 301 00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:40,359 that dry that these other sayings have, right, Yeah, and it's interesting 302 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:45,079 too, like linking this to now Trunks and Goten. I know they were 303 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:52,119 told to look after seventeens whole like reserve area there, but like why weren't 304 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,519 they chosen. They're not really getting that same no focus, Yeah, they're 305 00:22:56,559 --> 00:23:02,359 not getting that same focus, And honestly, I'm okay with it. I 306 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,839 guess if they were to get more of a focus, it could take away 307 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:11,720 from like Vegeta and Goku kind of training dynamic. And they probably had to 308 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,839 push away more characters because they added Berris and Weis, so they kind of 309 00:23:17,279 --> 00:23:21,759 they take up a lot of time, and so how could Go ten and 310 00:23:21,839 --> 00:23:26,200 Trunks keep up when Vegeta and Goku are training with a god of destruction and 311 00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:30,519 an angel? Right? So I get it. And at first I kind 312 00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:33,720 of was like, oh, I'm missing the you know, Go Tanks days, 313 00:23:33,799 --> 00:23:37,119 I'm missing when they were actually a force to be reckoned with. But 314 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:42,759 now I get it. I get it, And the only one that arguably 315 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:48,559 I miss is Gohan. But Vegeta is super cool. So if Vegeta maintains 316 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:55,039 like kind of his competition, his rivalry with Goku, I'll be satisfied. 317 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,559 Yeah yeah, I mean, and we'll see what happens to them as characters 318 00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:03,759 as we go on. But someone we didn't speak about yet, Um his 319 00:24:03,839 --> 00:24:11,519 name is Mirriss, right, ye, Like I assumed it's Mariss because like, 320 00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:14,880 you know, the e makes an a sound. Yeah, but I've 321 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,079 heard a lot of YouTubers just say mirrors, mirrors, how many different like 322 00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:22,440 playout, Like we got Moral, we got Beriss, we got Mirrors, 323 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,200 we got so many of these similar names in Super But yeah, I mean 324 00:24:26,279 --> 00:24:30,519 him as a character, he really surprised me because when I saw him at 325 00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:37,880 first, I completely categorized him in the same class as like, yeah, 326 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,680 who's just like he's got the stupid gun of on him and he's capturing people 327 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,799 in this like Goo and you think, oh, what a lame character, 328 00:24:45,839 --> 00:24:48,759 and even the haircut, like doesn't Goku at one point or someone saying, 329 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,839 isn't he so cute the way his bangs are like a little little short No, 330 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,359 I mean me too, man, one hundred percent. I was like, 331 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,799 you know, this was bridge kind of the action parts, and when 332 00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:04,359 we were introduced to him, I was like, all right, like, 333 00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:07,200 you know, I don't care about this guy. I also assumed it was 334 00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:11,119 Jocko. But that's a good, um, good reality check for us to 335 00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:18,640 not judge people by their appearances, because Goku didn't have that, you know, 336 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,200 didn't have that bias. Goku immediately noticed like, oh, there's something 337 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,519 different about you, a like you're super fast, you're um. So yeah, 338 00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:30,880 Goku immediately knows he was special, and yeah, how did you feel 339 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,759 about that whole progression towards the reveal of an angel? When did you figure 340 00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:40,319 out he wasn't angel? When did I figure out? Well, there was 341 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:45,039 that moment when we was speaking too and I forget exactly who he was speaking 342 00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:49,640 to his father, Yeah, yeah, whoever that was. But yeah, 343 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:56,480 when they start talking about it's interesting because at first I misread it and I 344 00:25:56,519 --> 00:26:00,839 thought he was talking about moral like, oh, he's he's letting loose, 345 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,440 like he's doing things. And I thought at first I thought it was Marl 346 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,559 because again the names are so similar to See the M and you know you've 347 00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:08,920 been reading, like this is your third maybe straight chapter, and I just 348 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,440 get a little bit tired looking at the screen because I'm ruining it off a 349 00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:15,079 screen, and then like I'm like this, this is kind of weird, 350 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,599 Like why wouldn't they just step him before? And then I go back up 351 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,960 and I'm like mirrors, I'm like what the hell? Why is like what's 352 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,359 specificated about him? But obviously I was suspicious when we got that whole training 353 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:33,519 with Goku because he seemed to have really wanted to hide so that no one 354 00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:37,079 else can figure out that they were training and he was flexing, even though 355 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,759 like he doesn't full out flex with Goku, but like he's definitely showing some 356 00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:44,359 of his powers. So that was really suspicious, Like why don't you just 357 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,599 do it? I know he talked about if we could blow stuff up, 358 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,640 but still, why don't you do it with other people around? Why do 359 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,319 you have to hide in this kind of hyperbolic time chamber. So that was 360 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,440 a little suspicious there, and then obviously that kind of gave it away that 361 00:26:57,519 --> 00:27:02,599 he was some sort of like deity level character. And then sure enough we 362 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,680 get that reveal how he he's actually what Ouie's brother, I think he says 363 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,559 at the end. Yeah, so I think that there's that head which the 364 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,079 name is escaping me right now what his name is. But there's that guy 365 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,400 who's like their father, and then the rest of them are all like brothers 366 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:22,599 and sisters. And you have that with with um Vados, right, the 367 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:29,960 one Shampa's angel is sister and brother is the sister of Weise, Right, 368 00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:33,880 are reality as angels? So yeah, that's that's kind of the setup they 369 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,720 have going on there, And it was interesting because he got serious and that's 370 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,279 why he eventually got erased. And I think that was so cool that we 371 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:48,359 saw an angel who are obviously there might be some differences between their power levels 372 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:55,960 individually, but we know angels are opaf like they're they're overpowered, and to 373 00:27:56,079 --> 00:28:00,519 see one goes serious, even for a bit before he disappeared, that was 374 00:28:00,599 --> 00:28:04,240 very high. Yeah, No, that was cool, and just learning a 375 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,039 bit of his backstory as well, like he I believe they said he came 376 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:14,240 to this universe to get like a broader perspective on things, and he talked 377 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,000 about how his role and the role of all these deities are just to like 378 00:28:18,599 --> 00:28:22,680 let things happen, like not to really interfere much with different things. But 379 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,759 then he ended up getting that thirst for justice and that's what drew him in. 380 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:32,880 So it's interesting. I mean it gets into like philosophical kind of thoughts 381 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,759 as well, like free will, the idea of like our things predetermined our 382 00:28:37,839 --> 00:28:44,480 things, you know, suffering that that whole idea of like the whole philosophical 383 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,759 debate about suffering and the gods. So yeah, it was pretty cool to 384 00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:56,759 see him decide to basically risk being eliminated in order to you know, work 385 00:28:56,799 --> 00:29:00,480 towards justice. So that was it was interesting to get that little glimpse of 386 00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:04,279 his power. Yeah, and I really like that that there's only one way 387 00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:11,400 for them to kind of be destroyed or die, and that was to actually 388 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,799 try and participate in the world and like have that influence on it rather than 389 00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:19,839 just being observers. And he chose Yeah, right, I'm going to pick 390 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,640 the what I think is right, and I'm willing to die for it. 391 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,640 And I think that's why it was such a great character. Also, thank 392 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:32,319 you to Steelers for pointing out that Grand Priest is what they call what they 393 00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:37,359 call the Father. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. In the whole thing 394 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:42,519 about Super, which is interesting compared to say Z and Dragon Ball is we 395 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:48,039 always get the situations in the again Z and Dragon Ball where it's like there's 396 00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:52,519 this enemy he's overpowered or she's overpowered. Trying to think if there was any 397 00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:59,559 females I guess eighteen overpowered compared to previous opponents, and then Goku and whoever 398 00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:03,839 catching up to them. Within Super, there's this idea of here these like 399 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:10,759 external kind of deities because obviously the whole universe like zooms out and we learn 400 00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:14,799 that there are multi universes. We learned that they are like again like deity 401 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,920 powers out there. We know that there are things that are far more superior 402 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,960 now compared to people like Goku, and we just like accept it, like, 403 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,079 you know, here are people who on a power level are just far 404 00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:30,200 superior, but they can't necessarily use their power. They don't really want to, 405 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,799 and like that's fine. So unlike the other ones where it was all 406 00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:37,519 about, oh yeah, like can Goku become the most powerful person, we 407 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,160 kind of accepted as a fan that hey, he's not the most powerful one, 408 00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:45,240 and that's trying to become kind of like the best version of himself. 409 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,599 And he gets competitive in certain areas, you know, like I want to 410 00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:56,039 be the strongest mortal, for example, and he wants to even obviously fight 411 00:30:56,079 --> 00:31:00,400 against really strong gods and angels. But he doesn't get frustrated that he's not 412 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:06,240 automatically on Lisa's level, and there's that respect for him because yeah, he's 413 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,079 just trying to get stronger and stronger, fight stronger and stronger opponents. But 414 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:15,279 he doesn't need to be the be all and end all strongest, and his 415 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,839 focus is on martial arts, while someone like Zeno their focus would be on 416 00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:22,119 just you know, it's not even power at that point, you could just 417 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,480 erase you without you even flexing. Yeah. Yeah, so that's kind of 418 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,920 a shift I notice in Super, which is kind of interesting. I do 419 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,920 want to say one thing about Vegeta which I really liked, going back to 420 00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:41,279 him in his fight with Moral there at the end. Something that I love 421 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,920 is just how he reminds Moral that like, you can absorb this energy, 422 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,119 but you didn't put in the work to be able to actually sustain it. 423 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,319 And I love that idea, Like, again, there's great lessons within dragon 424 00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:57,400 Ball dragon Ball Super and the idea that you gotta like, you gotta put 425 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:02,559 in that work in order to get to where you want to be brought that 426 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:07,039 up. Yeah, yeah, Vegeta does that obviously. We see that throughout, 427 00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:10,519 Like he's willing to just absolutely push his limits to get to where he 428 00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:14,079 wants to be, and here's a guy who just tried to. It reminds 429 00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:16,200 me of, like, in a weird way, people who take steroids who 430 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,319 are like, I want to get to this place just as fast as I 431 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,880 fair enough, you don't put the work, and then all of a sudden 432 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,880 they get to that spot and they're not necessarily like strong, they just look 433 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,599 huge and there's a lot of their power. Yeah, what happens when you 434 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,400 stopped taking steroids? No? No, no, yeah for sure, And 435 00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:36,920 I think that's that's one hundred percent true. Goku brings it up to He's 436 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,119 like, you've never trained, right, and he's like, no, of 437 00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:45,480 course, not training is yeah, he said something along the lines of training 438 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,920 is something for the week, right, which is so funny, what a 439 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,720 contradictus. But yeah, No, dragon Ball loves playing with that with like 440 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:59,680 super strong guys feeling they're too good to train, and then Goku and Vegeta 441 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,440 train and being them through hard work. Like some of my most kind of 442 00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:13,000 inspirational training visuals are just Vegeta in the you know, red gravity machine that 443 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,480 Boma builds for him, just training like doing pushhops, doing kicks, like 444 00:33:16,839 --> 00:33:23,880 sweating and like ultra gravity. Those scenes, those little moments are what I 445 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,720 think of when I think of hard work. Bro, Like dragon Ball, 446 00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:30,200 is that a profound effect on me in that sense? And yeah, these 447 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:36,200 guys are always training and we see the benefits of that and not just having 448 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,680 stuff handed to Yeah, no, I love it. I find it motivational 449 00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:45,039 and like applicable to things I'm training for, like we talk about we like 450 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:50,680 exercise and running, and it definitely like it motivates me seeing these characters push 451 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,880 their limits and sometimes when they take like their foot off the gas a bit, 452 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,039 like understanding they got to put even more working and you could get back 453 00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:00,440 to the level you want to get to. I really like those lessons within 454 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,559 the whole Dragon Ball series. And then obviously you get characters who don't do 455 00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:07,480 it, like even Freezer, and you know they can't at the end of 456 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,159 the day. They just there's a limit to that. You can only get 457 00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:15,000 so far where you don't put the work in and you're just kind of short 458 00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:20,920 cut everything. So obviously that happens with Morrow when he ends up his body 459 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,960 can't hold the power, the god power, and he ends up exploding kind 460 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:30,159 of deal. But then obviously gets a bit more complicated, but yeah, 461 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:34,760 that becomes one of his downfalls. But yeah, it's like that's that's one 462 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,320 of the things I don't like about those copy abilities. And it's not just 463 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:44,159 him. There's a bunch of copy characters in different shown in and it's like, 464 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,000 yeah, I don't like it when people get just copy moves and use 465 00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:52,880 them. But here they here, they at least made it the limit being 466 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:58,920 he couldn't contain Mirrorst's power, right, But yeah, I mean it's even 467 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,360 irritating to me that he could just use Vegeta's big Bang, no problem. 468 00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:07,360 He could use Piccolo's special beam cannon, like he could do all of this 469 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,000 ship and those guys have to train so much to learn it, and he's 470 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,880 just like doing it just as strong. And it's like, oh, that 471 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,239 sometimes rubs me the wrong way. No, I know what you mean. 472 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:21,639 Like you you've seen these characters just develop and learn these techniques, and here's 473 00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:24,280 a guy who's just in one episode steals them all like it's nothing. Like 474 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:30,039 it's frustrating sometimes as a reader and a watcher of dragon Ball, But hey, 475 00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:32,920 I guess the characters there was a limit. Yeah, at least there 476 00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:37,559 was. They had a limit, and he couldn't just like copy beers or 477 00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:42,280 or weis and then just you know, crush everybody. And even when he 478 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:47,119 copied mers, like when him and Goku were fighting, there was a situation 479 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:54,159 where he said, we're equally powerful now and only I have magic, and 480 00:35:54,239 --> 00:36:00,480 that was before his body started to reject the power. But that's interestin because 481 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,639 it's it begs the question could he not reach Mirror's power or is Goku just 482 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:10,320 that strong now in his mastered ultra instinct form. Another interesting thing was the 483 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:15,079 whole fact about this whole arc was that instead of revolving around I need a 484 00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:21,639 new transformation, it was about figuring out how to control the transformation he got 485 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:27,119 access to during the Tournament of Power. So that was a unique way to 486 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,239 kind of go about getting a new power and reaching a higher level rather than 487 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,719 just you know, reaching it for the first time. It was about learning 488 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,960 how to control it and master it. Yeah, No, that was that 489 00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:47,320 was cool because it gets a little like boring when not bored but predictable when 490 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,440 it's the same thing all the time, and whenever there's a new arc, 491 00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:55,360 it's like a new transformation. I gotta admit, though, I maybe like 492 00:36:55,400 --> 00:37:00,960 this is not a popular opinion, and I think most people like think transformations 493 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:06,880 go overboard, But there's nothing that hips me up like drag ball Z transformations. 494 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,559 No, they're good, they're iconic for it, but they have. 495 00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:15,559 They have to be careful because they don't want to like every new chapter to 496 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:20,000 be a new transformation because it'll lose some of the magic. But when we 497 00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:22,760 do wait for that new form and it comes, holy shit, is that 498 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:28,159 exciting? Yeah? And imagine being able to market all this Like God, 499 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,920 it's so easy to be able to put out different like um like pop culture 500 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,239 things like toys, like different posters of the various transformers. You can be 501 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,320 like, oh, I love you know the second Transformation of the Third Transformation, 502 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:45,079 and you could market the all It's like Pokemon, right, Like, 503 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,480 so you're gonna have you're a huge drag ball Z fan, right, So 504 00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:52,480 not only are you getting all of the new figures for the villains. For 505 00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:55,800 example, if you're just like super into it, you also need to get 506 00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:00,880 Okay, here's my Goku base Form doll or figure, here's my Goku Super 507 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,639 Sian one. Here's my Goku God and here's my Goku All Tray and stink. 508 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,519 Here's Go Mastered all train sting. So you keep needing to get new 509 00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:14,440 figures if you're like a hardcore collector and it's fun, it's it's an interesting 510 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,239 thing. Cookie Wok, you thank you for gifting us up appreciate and I 511 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:22,159 believe as well because I remember I actually have one. I believe it's one, 512 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:27,480 maybe two VHS tapes I was given like his birthday presents when I was 513 00:38:27,559 --> 00:38:32,679 young of Dragon ball Z And on the side there's like a little portion of 514 00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:37,920 a picture somewhere. It's it's actually if you put all the VHS is apparently 515 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,400 what I found out. I found this out like this past year. But 516 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:45,199 if you put all of the VHS pictures next to each other when they used 517 00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:49,000 to come out on VHS, it would actually show like an entire scene of 518 00:38:49,559 --> 00:38:52,199 like a character in different characters. So yeah, like it's that whole idea 519 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,039 of just trying to mark the shit out of that, like I need all 520 00:38:55,079 --> 00:39:00,800 the vhses, yeah, to complete this picture. What sucked was like now 521 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,239 we have like you know, Netflix, and you can find everything, but 522 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:12,000 before you just have to buy like this clunky cassette for three episodes or something 523 00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:16,920 like that. Yeah that is very true, Oh my god. But yeah, 524 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:22,039 so what else is there to talk about in this arc? Obviously Jeita 525 00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:27,880 did get to shine right when he used for spear efficient, and I like 526 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,760 the idea that Morrow took it from him, right, he absorbed Vegeta's power, 527 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:37,599 and then he had access to for spear efficient and all of a sudden, 528 00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:43,119 they couldn't even if they wanted to fuse because that power can just separate 529 00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:46,599 fusions. So they kind of had a work around of, oh, you 530 00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:50,880 won't be able to use the fusion. So I thought that was interesting too. 531 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,280 Yeah, so I mean, yeah, the fight was interesting. The 532 00:39:54,280 --> 00:40:00,760 whole idea of UM taking over like the Earth there at the end was a 533 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,800 good cliffhanger because they were kind of like what do we do to like if 534 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,119 we want to destroy this guy at the same time we're destroying the earth. 535 00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:13,239 Yeah, so yeah, it puts him in a very like uncomfortable position about 536 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,000 like what do you what do you do next? So that was a cool 537 00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:17,880 That was a really cool near the end there a cool cliffhanger. Yeah, 538 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:22,119 I remember because I was reading these chapters monthly rather than all I want was 539 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:27,880 right, so I couldn't just read on and I was like fuck, because 540 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,639 obviously I think if you're read it straightforward, I feel like you'll be less 541 00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:35,880 mad at Goku, but think about how to collect the fan base was like 542 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,280 upset when Goku just lets him heal. He's like, oh, I won't 543 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,440 finish him right now, we'll talk a bit, and then the dude absorbs 544 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,599 into the world and we s tells them all right now moral will share the 545 00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:51,000 fate of the Earth. So you got to destroy the earth, and like, 546 00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:52,800 imagine you couldn't just read ahead. You're like, Goku, what have 547 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:58,199 you fucking done? And then if you could just read straight ahead, you 548 00:40:58,199 --> 00:41:00,800 could be like, okay, so all you gotta do is destroy the crystal 549 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:07,239 and we'll figure it out. But yeah, just Goku just seems like such 550 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,920 an idiot with the one month Wait. The whole time, you're like why 551 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:15,039 why And that is funny. They totally hype that up just for him to 552 00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:17,679 be like, yeah, you just gotta break the crystal, and it's like 553 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,199 it's like oh wow, but obviously they're not going to reveal that. Then 554 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:23,840 yeah, we could have said that immediately, right, But yeah, you 555 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:29,880 gotta keep the cliffhangers going, especially because it's a month apart, right, 556 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:34,039 so some manga or a week apart, so you don't need necessarily as big 557 00:41:34,039 --> 00:41:37,679 of a cliffhanger. But with Dragon Ball Super and like the monthly, the 558 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:42,639 monthly nature of it, you really need like to try to make it as 559 00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:45,239 good as a cliffhanger as possible, or else people will just forget about it 560 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:50,239 because like it's been a whole month, right, yeah, what ended up? 561 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,840 I'm trying to think now what ended up happening? Morow is technically like 562 00:41:55,679 --> 00:42:01,239 is he in prison? I forget or he completely destroyed? Oh Moral? 563 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:06,440 Yeah, Oh that's a good question. I have to think, Well, 564 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,760 only because this is something I hope they don't do in the next arc or 565 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,639 like an arc down the road, because they did the exact same thing with 566 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,000 Freezer. I hope they don't, like, say, he is alive or 567 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:22,119 I mean, here's the thing. In past like episodes, we've seen characters 568 00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:28,119 who seem like they've been destroyed but somehow right there back because obviously at the 569 00:42:28,199 --> 00:42:32,880 end we get OG seven three, who is he gets recouped by Granola. 570 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,320 But I hope there doesn't become a situation where Moral ends up saying oh, 571 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,840 yeah, like I'm gonna start training now and then become more powerful because I'm 572 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,039 gonna be like, man, you did that with Freezer, Like let's not 573 00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:46,760 repeat that exact same thing. Yeah. Yeah, from the look of it, 574 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:52,920 like Moral did die. Obviously, guys, anybody who knows something, 575 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,280 I don't let me know the chat. But from the looks of it, 576 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:58,280 he looks like he did die. It's just we saw in the next chapter 577 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,440 that seven three part of him from part of him, and he was getting 578 00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:07,840 um he ended up getting like recouped, and he was in that kind of 579 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,719 chamber that you see the other characters are when they are recovering and then we 580 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,800 get introduced to Granola there. So yeah, so he's kind of the looks 581 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:20,599 like he's going to get recouped some way and get some sort of power boost. 582 00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:22,800 But I just hope they don't do that with Moral because we just saw 583 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:28,760 that with Freezing. We don't need that same kind of approaching here. No, 584 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,679 And I think Freezer is a good step up from Agita, where Magita 585 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,519 is pretty much a good guy now, Like he can still talk smack and 586 00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:39,039 he has that edginess to him, but he's still a good guy. Freezer 587 00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:45,159 like he's still evil, right, He's still very much an evil dude, 588 00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:49,039 even though he can sometimes be friendly with our guys if it serves his purpose. 589 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,480 Right. We try to say Machiavellian at least one time in the every 590 00:43:52,480 --> 00:44:00,679 podcast, and Freeze is definitely machiavellian. But with Moral, you definitely definitely 591 00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:04,239 don't need another Freeze though. Yeah, I agree with that, and I 592 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,199 mean he's not as the thing is. I mean I understand, and like, 593 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,280 yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Yeah, you want to 594 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:15,119 bring him back, and you want to make him relevant based on saying he 595 00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:17,440 didn't train before, but you bring Moral back, and it's like, bro, 596 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,159 I wasn't even that attached to him to begin with. I do really 597 00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:24,199 like the fact that, um, what they're doing post anime, and I 598 00:44:24,199 --> 00:44:27,599 mean they were doing it obviously with the movie and stuff too, but they're 599 00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:31,199 relating back to a lot of the history of dragon Ball. So yeah, 600 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,920 like going back to Yard Draft, the Yard Draft planet, and then you 601 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:42,880 also have be things being tied into ten million years ago and how Boo maintain 602 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,599 gained that look right because he absorbed the Lord of Lords and all of this 603 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,440 stuff. That's that's happened. Now we're gonna go again not a huge spoiler, 604 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:58,039 but we're gonna more go more into history with this approaching arc um. 605 00:44:58,199 --> 00:45:02,639 So I just really like the fact that you know this historical stuff is playing 606 00:45:02,639 --> 00:45:06,920 a factor, and they're not just you know, new stuff popping up, 607 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:12,880 but they're actually getting sort of new stuff by drawing on the history and stuff 608 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,840 that's happened before. Yeah. No, I like that. I like how 609 00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:21,519 they end up going back there and building new bridges between the narratives. Like 610 00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:24,440 that's something I have liked about super So I'm glad that they're going to be 611 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:29,199 doing that in the next arc. But yeah, I mean, overall, 612 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,960 I thought this arc was it was fun. I thought there were some great 613 00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:42,639 qualities about it that I mentioned about Vegeta's growth, about transformations even more as 614 00:45:42,639 --> 00:45:45,960 a character. It was like there was this one moment speaking of like flashing 615 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:50,960 back, where he ended up having this giant like he created this giant ball 616 00:45:51,639 --> 00:45:53,920 and it looked like it was like reminiscent of when Freeze I used to like 617 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,440 put one finger in the air and have that giant energy ball, and it 618 00:45:58,559 --> 00:46:01,400 looked like because traditionally youth Freezer, he has the energy ball and then he 619 00:46:01,519 --> 00:46:07,159 directs it to the ground and it's just like huge energy ball just consuming the 620 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,679 planet. But he ends up having this ball like one hand in the air 621 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,199 and then he just eats it. It's like a very different one. Yeah. 622 00:46:14,199 --> 00:46:16,000 I also I also didn't know where it was going, but yeah, 623 00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:21,519 and it again it was a team effort here with the victory, like Goku 624 00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:29,559 did get strong, but Vegeta helped with his ability to unabsorbed or kind of 625 00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:35,719 speir efficient his way out of it so that the metal the orb on his 626 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,480 forehead wasn't covered so Goku could actually destroy it. And then there was the 627 00:46:39,559 --> 00:46:45,440 obviously help from Ube that the Lord of Lords kind of took over a boo 628 00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:49,400 and helped him send it Like that was massive, God Key, Like that 629 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:55,960 was insane. It gave it gave Goku like this huge avatar of Key that 630 00:46:57,039 --> 00:47:01,760 he was like riding in. And that show again in the end of Dragon 631 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:09,599 Ball Z why he would pick this specific kid to train and to don't kind 632 00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:14,599 of spend most of his time with this kid. It's like, Yo, 633 00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:17,920 this kid has insane potential and he could end up being a defender of the 634 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:22,639 Earth and the future plus a great sparring partner for Goku. Yeah. I 635 00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:27,599 wonder what Torre I'm actually thought at the time though, when he actually wrote 636 00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:31,000 an Ube for the first time, Like, was he thinking of some of 637 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:36,079 this stuff, the god type power, Like was he just like I'm just 638 00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:38,239 gonna leave it, Like I don't even know like what I'm gonna do with 639 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,639 this character why he's so special because it's not really revealed. Yeah, that's 640 00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:49,079 the thing. Like usually I think it's going back to it and adding to 641 00:47:49,159 --> 00:47:52,519 it. Because as I said, Goku wasn't originally supposed to be an alien, 642 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,639 let alone a saying, and then he decided to make him one. 643 00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:02,239 So it's kind of that situation. I'm sure he didn't know what he'd want 644 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:07,199 to do later on if there would ever be another continuation Dragon Ball Z. 645 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,480 Right, but now that they can go back, let's make everything make more 646 00:48:10,519 --> 00:48:15,960 sense. And yeah, I'm liking it a lot. And how he kind 647 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,400 of got absorbed all the power from everyone plus the god key, and that 648 00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:24,000 helped him win classics kind of spear bomb vibes there, you know, so 649 00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:29,039 that's always nice. Something else as well, like vibes as well as um 650 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,840 the orbs not the orbs, like that whole crystal on his hand. It 651 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,239 took me back to the whole Remember the androids who came in Z who had 652 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:42,639 those they had their like machines on their hands and they would grab people and 653 00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:45,800 they wouldn't be able to copy them, but they'd stuck their energy like they 654 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:50,119 did with Yamche So that that broughably back to that. That was another another 655 00:48:50,199 --> 00:48:53,360 throwback. More was like this combination of like all of these different opponents. 656 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:58,400 Right, he has magic which is kind of Mogen Boo related, and he 657 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:05,559 had all these different looks, freezer vibes to the battle itself, and they 658 00:49:05,559 --> 00:49:07,360 had all these different locations in this fight. Right, Yeah, namic yet 659 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:12,719 earth you add all these different ones. So that was fun too. Arguably 660 00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,400 it's interesting. One of the most underrated moves he used he uses, which 661 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,920 is one of the most important because his hands are so important, is the 662 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,360 Piccolo regeneration. Like how many times has he end up getting like his arm 663 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,960 cut off, his hand cut off and he just regenerates it. Yeah, 664 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:34,119 like that that technique is super useful and it's super undervalued. Not undervalued, 665 00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:38,079 but it's like something under the radar that Piccolo and even dended with his healing 666 00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:43,679 techniques that these Namecheans have that are so unique to them. It was originally 667 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:49,880 very much nerved because whenever like Piccolo used it or something, it would take 668 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:54,039 a bunch of his stamina. Yeah, but here like moral can just do 669 00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:57,920 it as much as he wants. It looks like right, so yeah, 670 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,159 he definitely steps it up. And what do you think about the brutality of 671 00:50:01,159 --> 00:50:07,000 some of the scenes, Like I'm specifically thinking of him kind of taking his 672 00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:12,840 arm straight through Goku's chest like that was a crazy moment. We rarely see 673 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,360 anything that brutal in Dragon Ball Z, So I was gonna say the only 674 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:21,960 other time I remember seeing something as brutal, and I don't think it was 675 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,239 as brutal as this. This takes me back to Dragon Ball. Remember when 676 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:30,000 Piccolo and Goku fought in that tournament and Piccolo looked like he was defeated and 677 00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:32,800 he shoots that yeah yeah, wave right through Goku's chest and you see the 678 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:37,039 hole right through his chest. Like that took me back to that moment, 679 00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:40,800 because yeah, really do you get those kind of grow tesque like stands through 680 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:45,599 the body like holy shit? And it was one of those things where we 681 00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:47,559 have to like double check and you're like that, am I seeing this right? 682 00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:53,360 Because it happens so quick, right it it re kind of regenerates right 683 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:59,039 through him such a such a brutal move and yeah, I think that's part 684 00:50:59,079 --> 00:51:06,280 of the manga Charmed. They have more freedom to get more brutal than the 685 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,480 anime, which is subject to more rules with what they can and can show. 686 00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:14,039 Yeah, because I'm trying to think, I think that's happened to Goku 687 00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:17,719 maybe three times so far, like the first time with Piccolo, second time 688 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:23,440 with the again Piccolo again, I guess when it comes to him holding rabbits 689 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,760 and it goes right through him, and then I'm trying to think, I 690 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:30,599 think this is like the third time it gets something actually like going right through 691 00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:36,679 there's something personal about it not being an energy beam and it just being like 692 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:42,800 your fucking arm just right through them as brutal and yeah, that's something I 693 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:47,280 love about this fight. Um yeah, yeah, pretty much that takes us 694 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:53,239 to the end. What do you think just initial thoughts on Granola, I 695 00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,480 don't know. I don't know much. I think we don't get crazy amount 696 00:51:57,519 --> 00:52:04,760 of like context one under I don't know. Like the O G seven three, 697 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,440 he was someone we didn't really talk about him too too much, but 698 00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:13,360 he was someone who he kind of looked like in a weird way, Captain 699 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,400 Genu in my opinion, and he was just kind of I don't know. 700 00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:22,880 I knew he was like a placeholder for Morrow, so I didn't absolutely love 701 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:27,000 him as a character. So I'm curious to see to do what to see, 702 00:52:27,079 --> 00:52:30,840 sorry, what he does with that guy. But yeah, I don't 703 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,679 know if is he someone who I mean he's driving around in the spaceship. 704 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,599 Is he someone who is a threat more like intellectually how he could like manipulate 705 00:52:39,639 --> 00:52:44,360 other people. The character has this uniqueness to him for sure, And at 706 00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,159 first, I gotta admit I was at the beginning of this arc. I 707 00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:50,800 was like, Yo, I kind of want to get back to the main 708 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:55,760 characters, you know, But I think it evolves nicely as you'll see, 709 00:52:57,079 --> 00:53:00,119 and then you could tell me what you think next episode. But yeah, 710 00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:04,719 I think that pretty much covers what we wanted to cover for this one. 711 00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,440 Obviously, MirOS returns, right, so that's great. He returns as a 712 00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:14,440 mortal. Did you see that twist coming? Or no? Um? I 713 00:53:14,519 --> 00:53:19,239 mean I thought he would return in some way, but him being a mortal, 714 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,880 No, I didn't. So that's that's interesting, right because at least 715 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,039 there was some kind of payment. Yo, Thank you so much, Hobi 716 00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:30,760 Sumer for two hundred bits. He says, the most brutal is Popo training. 717 00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:37,159 No one discusses Popo training. I think that's a that's a dragon Ball 718 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,519 Z the abridged reference, right, Yeah, whatever happened at Popo, I 719 00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:44,119 miss him. Yeah, we don't see a Popo a lot anymore. We 720 00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:49,159 see ded But yeah, so that that was nice that because I mean to 721 00:53:49,159 --> 00:53:52,800 an extent, I kind of feel like it would have been more powerful if 722 00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:57,159 they just didn't bring MirOS back, because then Goku would like carry that weight 723 00:53:57,199 --> 00:54:00,119 of his memory. And he says his will lives on through me, and 724 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:05,159 well, yeah, dragon Ball doesn't typically do that. But yeah, we 725 00:54:05,199 --> 00:54:07,519 can't. We can't expect deaths to last, like you know, you never 726 00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:13,039 know, and with angels specifically, we know nothing. So at least it 727 00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:15,599 wasn't like, you know, he's brought back with no changes. At least 728 00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:20,599 he was quote unquote punished, although I don't think he'd even consider a punishment 729 00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,920 by coming back as a mortal. And now we have another character we could 730 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:28,159 bring back to the mix whenever we feel like, right, like Browley is 731 00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:31,119 somewhere in the world, mirrorst is now in the world. So there's all 732 00:54:31,159 --> 00:54:35,599 these Freezes doing his own thing, right, So there's all these characters and 733 00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:39,199 potential plus maps. Yeah, exactly, got Snappa making make an appearance. 734 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:45,079 So yeah, I definitely look forward to seeing how those guys may pop up 735 00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:49,400 again in the future, or even if they don't. It just it's nice 736 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,519 to know they're doing their own thing and living by their own ideals somewhere in 737 00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:58,159 the universe. Yeah. No, it's it's a big universe now, and 738 00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,760 as we can tell, it's actually more than one universe, so there's a 739 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:06,400 whole lot of potential out there for different stories. Yeah. Sam's telling me 740 00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,440 that he saw the Super video I put out today. Great timing. Yeah, 741 00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:15,719 so pretty much. Don't look at that video Ray stay away from from 742 00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:22,400 my channel for until them two weeks because there you will see something very epic, 743 00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:24,400 but we want to hold it for now. Hobe Summer, thank you 744 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,880 so much for another two hundred bits, says Popo. Went off and made 745 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,599 him some bomb masked toast in the hyperbolic time chamber and lost his way. 746 00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:37,199 Yes, no, I love I love these characters, man. That's another 747 00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:39,599 thing I love about Super, the fact that we got to keep seeing these 748 00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:44,960 characters but Geta is only getting better in my opinion, right, Like I 749 00:55:45,079 --> 00:55:52,000 prefer Dragon Ball Super Vegeta too. Well. I mean, there is obviously 750 00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:57,679 the huge twist from Vegeta sacrificing himself to initially being a villain is big in 751 00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,000 Dragon Ball Z, but I just like what they're doing with him in Dragon 752 00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:06,719 Ball Super and how he's not always taking a backseat to Goku. So yeah, 753 00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:12,000 I find this transformation is more authentic compared to someone like Piccolo, where 754 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,960 it was a bit of a I know, he was more hostile at the 755 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,119 beginning, but it was a bit more of a quicker one, like this 756 00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:22,079 was a long time coming and now slowly but surely, Like it just seems 757 00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:27,920 more real this transformation compared to other ones where it's just like, you know, 758 00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,079 after an arc or two, all of a sudden, they're just completely 759 00:56:30,159 --> 00:56:32,480 on board with everyone, like this has been a long time coming, with 760 00:56:32,599 --> 00:56:38,320 him really putting others before him, and yeah, and then the trunks, 761 00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:44,719 like all of that stuff is obviously a huge factor that Piccolo experiences in some 762 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:50,199 way through kind of being an adoptive father to Gohan in a sense, but 763 00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,119 otherwise, yeah, you could really believe why Vegeta changed. Thank you so 764 00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:59,119 much, soul Slayer for three hundred bits. Buark of Vegeta is the culmination 765 00:56:59,159 --> 00:57:01,440 of his character, That's what Soul Slayer says. So I think they had 766 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:05,320 a hard time finding a direction for him, but I think they finally did. 767 00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:07,320 Yeah, for sure, I think obviously, yeah. I don't want 768 00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,400 to put that down at all of Dragon Ball Zibajeta. Obviously, I think 769 00:57:10,639 --> 00:57:15,079 he's amazing, but I think Dragon Ball Super is doing him justice in the 770 00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:22,440 continuation. I agree, cool, cool, and I think that pretty much 771 00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:27,079 covers all we want to say about this moral arc. Guys, we are 772 00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:35,559 covering all the remaining chapters for the episode in two weeks, which is chapters 773 00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:39,199 sixty eight to seventy four. I believe they're like, Ray, there are 774 00:57:39,239 --> 00:57:44,519 some insane things. I'm gonna tell you right now. I haven't been this 775 00:57:44,679 --> 00:57:47,360 excited to see the next episode of dragon Ball Sup, to see the next 776 00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,719 chapter of Dragon Ball Super. Ever, I guess, like, Bro, 777 00:57:52,119 --> 00:57:55,719 this is fucking intense right now. This arc is crazy shit happening. So 778 00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:00,119 I'm super excited for that for the next chapter to come out as well, 779 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,440 And we will also add on as a little bonus the dragon Ball Suit, 780 00:58:04,519 --> 00:58:08,679 the dragon Ball Evolution movie, not because it's good, but because everyone says 781 00:58:08,719 --> 00:58:14,199 it sucks and we kind of want to experience experience the suckage, you know, 782 00:58:14,639 --> 00:58:19,360 Hoby Summer, thank you again for five hundred bits, says unpopular opinion. 783 00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:24,039 I'm waiting for Broley to come into the meta and even see him transcend 784 00:58:24,159 --> 00:58:30,239 his power even greater like kaled It by controlling his anger. Yeah, so 785 00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,559 that's another thing to look forward to. Browley is another one of those characters. 786 00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:38,119 And I gotta say, man, dragon Ball has some amazing characters, 787 00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:43,880 right, Like, they just stand out so much. Yeah, I don't 788 00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,519 think that's an unpopular opinion. That's something i'd want to see. Yeah, 789 00:58:46,599 --> 00:58:51,639 no, yeah, I don't think like more broy yes please, yes, 790 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,559 yes please and yeah no everything everything is going good right now, and I 791 00:58:55,800 --> 00:59:00,000 really like the direction dragon Ball Super is taken right now. Hopefully keeps up 792 00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:05,159 and until next time, see us Bace, Cowboys Bang