1 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,320 Welcome to episode thirty four of Get Out Alive, a podcast where me your 2 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,399 host Ashley every other week tells you a new animal tag story, and me, 3 00:00:21,519 --> 00:00:24,399 your other host, Nick, is just happy to be here. Some 4 00:00:24,519 --> 00:00:27,519 days. Some days I have no idea what to say right now. I 5 00:00:27,559 --> 00:00:30,480 didn't think about beforehand. I know we go this every episode. I always 6 00:00:30,559 --> 00:00:33,359 forget and I don't know what to deal on the spot. Well, you 7 00:00:33,439 --> 00:00:37,600 do have something to say right now? Actually I do. Cue the music. 8 00:00:38,799 --> 00:00:42,280 So we have a new expert scroutless patron that we need to shout out. 9 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:47,880 Thank you very much to Morgan Smith, who recently joined us. Thanks 10 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,280 Morgan, you're the best best. We will be sending you a gift next 11 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,039 time we do our experts frivalist gift give out thing. I don't know what 12 00:00:55,039 --> 00:00:59,600 I'm saying right now, and we can't wait to send you yours. Yeah, 13 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,600 if you guys haven't seen the one that we recently sent out, please 14 00:01:03,679 --> 00:01:07,719 check our Instagram and you can also see my terrible reference drawing that my family 15 00:01:07,719 --> 00:01:11,079 has just been absolutely roasting me for. I love that drawing. I think 16 00:01:11,079 --> 00:01:15,840 it's one you want it framed? I do too. Yeah, Oh god, 17 00:01:15,879 --> 00:01:18,200 it's a piece of history. The pins we made a pre bomb. 18 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,200 Everyone used to look them up. Yes, thank you so much Ness for 19 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,640 making that design for us. You're lovely, You're the best Nick. How 20 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,959 can people become patrons of ours? They can go to our website. Get 21 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,879 out of live dot com. Nope, get out of Live podcast dot com. 22 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,319 Yep. They can follow any of the links we have in the episode 23 00:01:34,359 --> 00:01:38,400 description below, or they can visit us directly on petroon Aoh nice, good 24 00:01:38,439 --> 00:01:45,840 job. Thanks, Except on the website. It's fine. So I know 25 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,680 for those of you who aren't on Patreon and didn't get to hear this part 26 00:01:49,719 --> 00:01:53,480 too right away, I know it's probably a huge pain in the butt that 27 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,120 you had to wait two weeks to hear the second half of an episode, 28 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,599 because to me, it feels like a lifetime ago. Personally, I kind 29 00:02:00,599 --> 00:02:02,120 of forgot that we had that episode cute up for this week. All right, 30 00:02:02,159 --> 00:02:05,680 it's a soup wet record another one. Yeah, so we have the 31 00:02:05,719 --> 00:02:08,879 second half, and I just wanted to say like the sincerest thank you, 32 00:02:09,319 --> 00:02:14,199 not only to our patrons for like allowing us to do fun things I'm about 33 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,560 to mention, but to everyone for waiting and giving us this like being patient, 34 00:02:17,599 --> 00:02:21,520 giving us the chance to do things because we have a lot of great 35 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,439 things coming up. So in the time that we would have been like currently 36 00:02:24,479 --> 00:02:28,879 recording new episodes and not doing this like two parter, Nick and I have 37 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,960 had the chance. Well, I have had the chance to start my master's 38 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:35,680 degree in wild life forensics. So that's been important. And I haven't been 39 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,159 stressing about the pod. Yeah, you're gonna get an honorary degree. It's 40 00:02:39,159 --> 00:02:42,159 fine. Yeah, I don't have a degree for ram that does not know 41 00:02:42,319 --> 00:02:45,719 I did not go to college. I I was shocking, I'm not college 42 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:51,639 educated. Yeah. So I got to start that and not be stressed by 43 00:02:51,719 --> 00:02:55,879 the podcast, which was great, and we got to work on merch which 44 00:02:57,599 --> 00:03:00,680 is out today. Fuck yes, we've been talking about it. You can 45 00:03:00,759 --> 00:03:06,080 check out our website, get out a Live podcast dot com. You can 46 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:10,479 get save the Bees Fuck the border Wall stickers, which is a callback to 47 00:03:10,599 --> 00:03:15,400 a very specific quote. I don't even remember what the comment was, but 48 00:03:15,479 --> 00:03:20,719 the sticker itself is pretty fucking hilarious. I literally said, save the bees 49 00:03:20,759 --> 00:03:23,639 fucked the border Wall. It was our twenty twenty one wrap up where I 50 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,759 was talking about some good news and I was talking about how a bee colony 51 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:30,039 had been discovered that had hundreds of different species of bees or something like that, 52 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:34,520 but it was being threatened by the border wall, and that's what came 53 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,719 out of Yeah, so you can buy that. It's awesome. My friend 54 00:03:38,759 --> 00:03:43,199 Margie designed it and it's precious, so go check those out. We have 55 00:03:43,319 --> 00:03:49,039 a brand new design that's like a vintage logo based off of Yellowstone's Lamar Valley. 56 00:03:49,319 --> 00:03:52,800 And then we made our boxing bear designed into a T shirt, so 57 00:03:52,919 --> 00:03:55,800 go check it out. Hell Yeah, And on top of all of that, 58 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,879 we have in two episodes. I want to give way too much, 59 00:04:00,919 --> 00:04:04,479 but like a dream of a guest, we got a wild email that I 60 00:04:04,479 --> 00:04:09,400 don't think either of us expected to get ever in my life. I never 61 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:14,479 so grateful that happened. It felt like so much happened in this past week. 62 00:04:14,759 --> 00:04:16,680 Not only are we going to have an awesome guest, but all I'm 63 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,480 gonna say is the next time you guys hear us, we will be recording 64 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:27,000 at a new location. That's all. Yes, we will hopefully learn how 65 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,279 to do all the things we need to do before the next episode, because 66 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,120 we have a lot coming up in the next couple of days. Yeah, 67 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:42,959 yep. Well part two, so our story begins again where we left off 68 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,560 with hearing someone scream, God help me, somebody helped me after they had 69 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:53,720 already screamed two three, two other times at least, and then even though 70 00:04:53,720 --> 00:05:00,639 they and didn't go do anything and was scared I would got either. I 71 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,519 just he was probably scared. That's why you didn't say shit. He's like, 72 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,319 I don't want to fucking deal with that. Probably. Yeah. He 73 00:05:05,399 --> 00:05:09,600 also thought that men don't bother WI been up in this part of the world 74 00:05:09,639 --> 00:05:12,920 for some reason, but they do, yes, So he is obviously clearly 75 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,680 dumb. But she didn't do anything to help. She did nothing. This 76 00:05:15,759 --> 00:05:19,600 is the last part where they're being dumb. So but they did just let 77 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:26,759 someone apparently get murdered, all right. So therese their sixteen year old daughter 78 00:05:26,759 --> 00:05:29,839 had slept in her clothes, so her parents ordered her downstairs to alert the 79 00:05:29,879 --> 00:05:33,399 chalet's manager. Now they were for sure that something was wrong. They hear 80 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:39,879 screaming, yeah, and their response is to send out their sixteen year old 81 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,079 daughter downstairs to get like the manager of the I would not leave let her 82 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:49,279 leave my sight, I would say you if you thought yeah, yeah, 83 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:54,079 yeah, okakay, will I'll calm down. I'm sorry, I am sorry. 84 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:58,839 Hey, don said not to muzzliare so fucking stupid. It's upsetting for 85 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,160 a while. Now the whole thing's up. Teres had a hard time finding 86 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,519 someone that was in charge. She asked around downstairs, where they were hikers 87 00:06:04,519 --> 00:06:08,319 sleeping on the floor. So finally she just called out, who's in charge 88 00:06:08,319 --> 00:06:11,720 of this thing? And when someone asked why, she said someone outside was 89 00:06:11,759 --> 00:06:15,279 in trouble, and someone on the floor allegedly commented, quote, oh, 90 00:06:15,319 --> 00:06:17,439 the poor thing, And I just like to give a big old f you 91 00:06:17,519 --> 00:06:23,399 to that person. This is but again, in trouble is not it's not 92 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:28,399 enough, yeah, and saying, oh my god, he's stabbing me. 93 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,560 Yeah, I have so many issues with this. I'm sorry, It's okay. 94 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,800 So Teres started banging on doors until she came across Joan Devereaux, who 95 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:40,920 had guided them to the chalet. Joan also doubted Terese and said that she 96 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,199 was dreaming, so it took her a few minutes to convince Joan that something 97 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,240 was going on. So Joan went out into the main room, ordered a 98 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,519 kitchen employee to get a radio, and laced up her boots. She turned 99 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:55,519 to Teres and said, let's go. The innkeeper Tom Walton and his wife 100 00:06:55,639 --> 00:06:59,680 Nancy were asleep when an employee banged on his door and told him something was 101 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,079 wrong. He said, people once again were probably dreaming and nothing could possibly 102 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,879 be wrong outside because there was no one out there, so he shut the 103 00:07:06,959 --> 00:07:12,240 door and got back into bed. The employee banged again and insisted that he 104 00:07:12,279 --> 00:07:15,160 get up, so he did, which is his fucking job. I don't 105 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:17,959 like Tom. We'll get there, so Tom went out to the balcony and 106 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,560 met up with the Leapinskys and Joan, who were seemingly waiting to hear something. 107 00:07:23,439 --> 00:07:26,519 It was silent, and Tom assured them that there couldn't be anything wrong 108 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,079 out there. Listen to how quiet it is. Anne assured him that they 109 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,800 had heard screams, and doctor Lepinsky asked what was down there, pointing in 110 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:38,560 the direction of the screams. Innkeeper Tom said that was the direction of the 111 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:43,120 campground, so doctor Lepinsky shouted, is everything okay down in the direction of 112 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,800 the campsite and waited no. A muffled shout came from the right of the 113 00:07:46,839 --> 00:07:51,279 campground, from the direction of the trail cabin. When doctor Lepinsky asked what 114 00:07:51,319 --> 00:07:56,959 the trouble was, the voice shouted back, bare, why are you fuming? 115 00:07:57,279 --> 00:08:01,959 This is so fucking stupid. This is so fucking stupid. Hey, 116 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,240 are you being stabbed? Like? Are you okay? No? Oh what's 117 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,279 wrong? I won't know how bad? It's why I come over. What 118 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,360 it is? Pretty whack? Yeah? Also, so what what are you 119 00:08:13,439 --> 00:08:16,199 wishing to accomplish? It worked? Like by yelling, Hey, what's what's 120 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:20,160 going on down there? When you yell to a fucking campground in the sixties, 121 00:08:20,399 --> 00:08:22,120 they're all gonna be high as shit, like playing music and shit if 122 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:26,000 they're awake, and if they're not awake, they're all sleep and whoever was 123 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,680 just attacked might be fucking dead. So you're not gonna hear them, thankfully, 124 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,960 I guess there was a response. So again, so you an n 125 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:37,240 tangent for nothing. I'll break it down. You're gonna be all up and 126 00:08:37,279 --> 00:08:41,799 down in this episode. Oh god, Okay, So let's get back to 127 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,320 the Kleines and Dawn, who were camped five hundred yards beneath the chalet. 128 00:08:45,399 --> 00:08:50,120 Near that cabin, Janet awoke to what she assumed was a mountain lion killing 129 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,399 a deer. She sat straight up in her sleeping bag listening, but quickly 130 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:58,720 realized what she thought was a cat screaming headwords mixed in. There'd be a 131 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:03,919 long scream and the word help, and another long scream and then the word 132 00:09:03,039 --> 00:09:09,799 mommy. Oh man. Robert Climb was stirring awake, and Janet shoved him, 133 00:09:11,759 --> 00:09:16,039 like get the fuck up, and they listened together, and the screaming 134 00:09:16,039 --> 00:09:20,159 began again. Robert initially thought it was a child having a nightmare because like 135 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,519 mommy, but they didn't see any children in the campground. The screaming began 136 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:30,000 again, but this time farther away, as if this possible child was running 137 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:35,399 down the trail or by a fucking bear. Then one long scream and then 138 00:09:35,759 --> 00:09:41,159 silence. It was twelve fifty am. Don, who was on the other 139 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,720 side of the cabin from the clines, awoke at one am, but wasn't 140 00:09:43,759 --> 00:09:48,200 sure what had woken him. I just got the chills because this part is 141 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:54,639 so spooky. When Don rolled over, he saw someone standing at the end 142 00:09:54,639 --> 00:09:58,759 of his sleeping bag. Then they fell to their knees and fell flat on 143 00:09:58,799 --> 00:10:03,480 the ground. When Don leaned in, he realized he was staring into the 144 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:07,600 eyes of Roy Duquet, one of the teens that had stopped at their campsite 145 00:10:07,639 --> 00:10:13,639 before bed. Roy was giggling and speaking nonsense, and Don quickly determined that 146 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,240 he was in shock. Roy said, a bear got a hold of me. 147 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,600 I tried playing dead, but it didn't help. He dragged her off 148 00:10:20,639 --> 00:10:22,360 into the brush. You have to go after her. Forget about me. 149 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,919 The bear dragged her away. Can someone go find her. This all happened 150 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:31,080 in seconds, so Don was still waking up. You've got to be kidding 151 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,399 me, he said, until he realized that Roy was covered in blood and 152 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:41,919 his arm was dangling out of its socket. Oh oh, oh, what 153 00:10:41,039 --> 00:10:46,279 a fucking way to wake up in the dark in the wars. This is 154 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,840 Yes, this is a real story. The survivors of this say that this 155 00:10:50,879 --> 00:10:54,039 book is like the most accurate representation of what happened. Oh my god, 156 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,600 yeah, because the guy who wrote this like interviewed all the survivors and stuff, 157 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,559 so it's not just like some made up store. Oh this was the 158 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:07,200 scariest thing you could possibly imagine in the fucking woods, waking up to someone 159 00:11:07,279 --> 00:11:11,240 bloodied at the end of your sleeping bag, except for being torn up and 160 00:11:11,279 --> 00:11:15,600 having your girlfriend taken away by a bear. Yep, yep, that's scarier. 161 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,679 Let's not forget about the actual victims here. Absolutely, you're not wrong. 162 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:24,120 Oh my god. So Don immediately began heading towards the chalet, but 163 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,480 Roy asked not to be left behind. So Don helps Roy. Wait wait 164 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,720 wait, wait, wait wait is this The screaming's not coming from the chalet. 165 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,120 What do you mean like this, she's running to the chalet. Screaming 166 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,799 is not coming from this Don okay, don Ise running for the chalet. 167 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,879 M hm, the screaming's not coming from the chalet. Yes, he was 168 00:11:41,919 --> 00:11:45,879 trying to go get help. There's no time for the girls even take it 169 00:11:45,919 --> 00:11:48,320 by a bear? Did you get help? Get over? What the fuck 170 00:11:48,399 --> 00:11:50,960 is anyone's gonna do the on hast any guns? We just went over this. 171 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,759 You're running the wrong direction. You were running the wrong direction. What 172 00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:58,679 do you want him to do? Go get the fucking girl? Nick. 173 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:03,039 If Roy got ripped apart and the bear dragged off, Julie, what do 174 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,679 you think Don is going to do in the middle of the night. There's 175 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:11,519 a group of them, Get everyone together and go seconds to slap somebody. 176 00:12:11,879 --> 00:12:15,519 Just scare it. Do anything? Do anything other than nothing, which is 177 00:12:15,519 --> 00:12:18,159 what they're doing right now. Nick, do anything, then run the opposite 178 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:24,559 direction of what's happening. I said one sentence, and you got so angry 179 00:12:24,879 --> 00:12:28,840 you don't even know what happens next. Okay, I'm sorry, Okay. 180 00:12:28,279 --> 00:12:33,360 Roy asked not to be find I'm only laughing because Nick is freaking out. 181 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,919 So Don helped Roy crawl towards the clients, who were only thirty feet away. 182 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,240 Meanwhile, Roy kept repeating the bear quote got the girl and that someone 183 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:45,679 had to help her. The small group tried to open the trail cabin where 184 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,759 they were sleeping outside of, but it was locked, so Robert Klein began 185 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,519 bandaging Roy up as best he could. The clients began climbing up the side 186 00:12:52,519 --> 00:12:54,240 of the cabin to the flat roof, and when Robert asked Don if he'd 187 00:12:54,279 --> 00:12:58,360 be joining, the nineteen year old said no, I'm staying down here with 188 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,879 Roy. You signal for help. Robert began blinking his flashlight towards the chalet, 189 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:07,039 and it wasn't long before the flashlights started to actually give out. They 190 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,960 determined that Roy was gravely injured and could not walk. They were losing hope, 191 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,279 assuming that no one at the chalet was awake to assist, but luckily 192 00:13:13,879 --> 00:13:18,679 they saw a light flashing back at them from the chalet, so Robert began 193 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,639 flashing back at them, and soon after that they heard doctor Lipinski call down, 194 00:13:22,799 --> 00:13:26,720 asking if everyone was okay. They waited for help, all the while 195 00:13:26,919 --> 00:13:31,639 Roy was flipping in and out of panic. So because Roy was slipping in 196 00:13:31,639 --> 00:13:35,919 an ot of panic and not consciousness, he could recount exactly what had happened 197 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:41,200 to everyone that he was with. He had been sound asleep and awoke to 198 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,360 Julie telling him to play dead. He didn't know what she was talking about, 199 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:46,960 so he like kind of moved a little bit like grogoli, like waking 200 00:13:48,039 --> 00:13:52,320 up, Like what when a giant paw hit both of them and sent them 201 00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:56,720 flying feet away from their sleeping bags. Oh fuck. He had landed on 202 00:13:56,759 --> 00:14:00,480 his stomach and recalls that the air around him smelled terrible, like wet, 203 00:14:00,519 --> 00:14:03,720 dirty sheep dogs, which is the thing that we've talked about before with grizzlies, 204 00:14:03,799 --> 00:14:07,159 Like everyone who gets attacked is like they stink, so they don't grown 205 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,279 themselves at all and think, well, I think it's their breath from like 206 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:15,679 eating. Oh yeah, gros garbage, literally people. From the corner of 207 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,080 his eye, Roy saw Julie a few feet away. Before he could do 208 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,120 anything else, there was a deep bite into his shoulder, right to the 209 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,960 bone. Miraculously, he did not move or make a sound. Roy's a 210 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,200 baller. I could not do that. No, oh, no, no, 211 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,200 no no. The bite ceased, and he opened one eye to see 212 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,360 the bear standing above Julie. He closed his eye again just in time for 213 00:14:37,399 --> 00:14:39,600 the bear to come back to him. The bear stood on his back and 214 00:14:39,639 --> 00:14:43,840 bit down on his left arm, then bit down the back of his thighs, 215 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:48,679 and Roy remained silent the entire time. The bear stepped off of Roy 216 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:54,679 and went back to Julie. This time Roy remembers hearing bones crunch and Julie 217 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,080 screamed out, it hurts, and someone helped us. Roy then realized that 218 00:14:58,159 --> 00:15:03,200 Julie's screams now coming from the distance, and he assumed the bear was dragging 219 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,000 her away, and then there was silence. He jumped to his feet and 220 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:11,360 ran uphill as quickly as he could until he found an occupied sleeping bag, 221 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:16,120 and all the while could not stop thinking about Julie and how helpless they both 222 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,639 were. Now, let's get back to the chalet, and specifically innkeeper Tom, 223 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:26,919 who sucks because Tom was annoyed. He was annoyed by Janet Klein, 224 00:15:26,279 --> 00:15:31,200 who he deemed a hysterical woman and had no idea why Robert Klein would camp 225 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,919 outside with a woman like that. He was especially annoyed that because a bear 226 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,120 started sniffing around and scared this woman, that now he had to get up 227 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,639 and do his job and gather a group of people to help. So Tom 228 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,799 led a group of thirteen others down the trail towards the screams. One staff 229 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,600 member who was in this rescue group, a teenage girl, was scared and 230 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:54,399 asked what they were going to do, and Tom's super professional response was quote, 231 00:15:54,799 --> 00:15:56,679 shut up and get back in line. That's what you're gonna do. 232 00:15:58,639 --> 00:16:00,759 This guy awesome. That's why we hate Tom. Love the story. I 233 00:16:00,799 --> 00:16:04,279 love the story so much. There's another part in the story that I specifically 234 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,919 left out because I knew that you'd be so angry. Just know that things 235 00:16:07,919 --> 00:16:11,039 were cut from the story to make you less angry. I would like to 236 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,240 know what it is after we'reout recording. That sounds great. So among this 237 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:22,080 group was Tom, two young female staff members naturalist Joan Anne and John Lopinsky, 238 00:16:22,399 --> 00:16:26,159 Doctor Lindon, the guy from Lafia who we love, Reverend Thomas and 239 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,440 his friend Steve the Native American, and some other guests. Steve told the 240 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,480 others that the one thing that would frighten a bear was fire, So before 241 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,559 they left, they grabbed this like metal tub and some of them gathered wood 242 00:16:36,759 --> 00:16:38,200 put it in the tub, and they were just like dragging a tub of 243 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:44,440 fire with them. Essentially, it'll actually it was when the group came around 244 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,759 the bend and saw Roy and Coe chaos began. They were now all certain 245 00:16:48,879 --> 00:16:51,840 that there was a deadly bear in the woods and it was around them probably, 246 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,759 so doctor Lindon asked her first aid kit, but somehow no one in 247 00:16:55,799 --> 00:17:00,559 the rescue group brought one. Oh so Robert Klein luckily obviously had one and 248 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,640 offered his up, and within seconds doctor Lindon was patching Roy up. Doctor 249 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,960 Lepinsky was beside him, waiting to take over. Once basic first aid was 250 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:12,000 administered, Roy kept asking the group to find Julie. Doctor Lapinsky didn't say 251 00:17:12,039 --> 00:17:15,480 it out loud and fear that it would come off horribly like it's probably gonna 252 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,000 come off to you, but when triaging patients, he said the doctor's responsibility 253 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:23,200 as to whoever can be saved first, and those beyond help were treated last 254 00:17:23,559 --> 00:17:27,519 or left to die. Yep, witch like yeah. Some from the group 255 00:17:27,559 --> 00:17:32,000 bust the door to the cabin in and began dismantling some bedsprings that were nailed 256 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,200 to the side of the cabin to keep out bears from like the windows and 257 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:37,640 stuff, and they used that as a makeshift stretcher along with the sleeping bag. 258 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,960 The clins and a small group of others began to take the stretcher up 259 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,279 the trail towards chalet. The group got lost a few times, despite Robert 260 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,000 repeatedly saying that they were not on the trail, so instead of taking ten 261 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:51,920 minutes to get back to the chalet, it took half an hour. Oh 262 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,599 my god. When they got back to the chalet, Roy was put on 263 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,240 a table and doctor Lepinski, the surgeon, got to work. The other 264 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,839 half of the party was still at the cabin below. Joe and the naturalist 265 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,119 fumbled with her radio for a while, trying to remember the Parks radio procedure. 266 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,599 She had only had a single quick run through, which did not cover 267 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,240 what to do in the middle in the of the night, in an emergency 268 00:18:11,279 --> 00:18:15,039 where people were attacked by grizzly, which had never happened before, and they 269 00:18:15,079 --> 00:18:18,400 sent her on an over anight hike. Yep, a woman, can you 270 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,720 believe it? Okay? Despite calling out on the radio code three bear emergency 271 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,000 multiple times, there was no response and she was about to give up. 272 00:18:26,839 --> 00:18:30,799 Someone told her to keep on it, and they knew that other rangers had 273 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:34,880 their radios on for firewatch. Eventually, a ten to four came across from 274 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:40,119 a seasoned ranger named Bert Gildart. What a name? Yeah, Burn's great 275 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,039 Bert Gildart. Yep, I love it. He said he was on his 276 00:18:44,079 --> 00:18:45,880 way with his patrol car and told them to stand by while he tried to 277 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,960 get headquarters in touch with them. A few minutes later, a deeper voice 278 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:55,079 came across the radio. It was fire control Officer Gary Bunny. Yes, 279 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:59,759 like Bunny, another name, right, There's a lot of great names in 280 00:18:59,799 --> 00:19:03,480 this so Gary asked what was going on and Joan simply cried out, we 281 00:19:03,519 --> 00:19:07,319 had him maulingling. She called out multiple times because she just held the radio 282 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,519 right to her mouth and was basically just like, what do we had a 283 00:19:10,559 --> 00:19:15,440 mawling, which is exactly what I would do. So eventually Gary said ten 284 00:19:15,559 --> 00:19:18,519 four, you had a mauling, what do you need? And Joan calmed 285 00:19:18,519 --> 00:19:22,079 slightly and said that they had a doctor but needed medical supplies. So doctor 286 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,400 Lindon began to list what he needed, but his confusing accent, on account 287 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:30,759 of all the places lived fuck and the weak radio signal made it difficult for 288 00:19:30,839 --> 00:19:33,880 them to get across what they needed, so Joan did her best to relay 289 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,440 everything that they could. They also told Gary that there was another victim that 290 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,039 had been hauled away, so with help on the way, they set out 291 00:19:40,079 --> 00:19:44,839 for their next task, which was finding Julie. However, because Joan was 292 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,200 the only one in this group with the dark green Ranger uniform, she was 293 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:53,119 the de facto leader. She was also wildly inexperienced in search and rescue as 294 00:19:53,279 --> 00:19:57,359 a botanist and naturalist. She decided the group was to head back to the 295 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:02,920 chalet and wait for professional help. Doctor Lindon said they must find Julie, 296 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,519 but none of them knew what direction is start in, so they argued about 297 00:20:06,519 --> 00:20:07,880 this for a little bit, but doctor Lindon was the only one who was 298 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,119 like super insistent on it, and the others basically were like, yeah, 299 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,359 it's probably best if we go back and wait for professional help and someone with 300 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,920 a gun. You look upset by this. I'm gonna keep moving. The 301 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:23,119 girl is just bleeding out. Possibly there's nothing they could do alive. Possibly 302 00:20:23,559 --> 00:20:30,039 they could go where they didn't know where. Just literally go do again. 303 00:20:30,079 --> 00:20:32,599 They're doing nothing right now. Nothing is the only bad thing to do. 304 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,839 I disagree in the situation. Okay, we'll see how it plase him. 305 00:20:36,079 --> 00:20:38,000 Everyone made it back to the chalet safely, and Roy was on the table 306 00:20:38,039 --> 00:20:41,640 being tended to by now three doctors because a third physician was present at the 307 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:47,079 chalet that night, which is a gosh dang miracle. That's a lot of 308 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:51,039 doctors. And there was also and Lipinski who was a registered nurse. So 309 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,559 like it, it's pretty good. Do you think it's like a lifelong dream 310 00:20:53,559 --> 00:20:56,960 of doctors for somebody, like is there a doctor on this plane? Like 311 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,480 something this happens and there's three of them, It's like, oh, this 312 00:20:59,559 --> 00:21:03,440 kind texts my moment. Got to share it with these guys. They were 313 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,759 all different kinds of doctors. So there was like a surgeon. Yeah, 314 00:21:06,759 --> 00:21:10,039 and then the guy who came up at the end was a I believe Air 315 00:21:10,079 --> 00:21:12,920 Force doctor, Like he had been a doctor in the Air Force, so 316 00:21:14,559 --> 00:21:18,440 he knew like battle stuff. I don't know whatever, you know more than 317 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,799 I would. So over the radio headquarters said that in twenty to thirty minutes, 318 00:21:22,839 --> 00:21:26,920 a helicopter would arrive with medical supplies and an armed ranger. From the 319 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,039 balcony, others could hear Julie moaning in the woods. Oh my god, 320 00:21:30,079 --> 00:21:33,720 but her rescue you would have to wait. I would also very quickly like 321 00:21:33,759 --> 00:21:38,440 to acknowledge the badass helicopter pilot who was a Vietnam vet named John Westover, 322 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:45,279 and he was an incredible pilot and managed to land this helicopter and pitch black, 323 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,880 going over mountains, through wildfire smoke, and landing on the side of 324 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,200 a mountain, and literally the only thing they had to find their way to 325 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:56,640 the chalet was a topographical map. They had no electronic instruments to help them. 326 00:21:56,799 --> 00:22:00,960 Oh yeah, no, those did. Your badass pilots in general are 327 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:04,559 pretty much badass. So he's in the documentary and he says, yeah, 328 00:22:04,599 --> 00:22:07,680 what makes me a good pilot is a I never assume anything bad's gonna happen, 329 00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:11,799 so just send it. It's so funny. I mean, in a 330 00:22:11,799 --> 00:22:15,759 helicopter from back then, you have to be like the bravest fucking person in 331 00:22:15,799 --> 00:22:18,119 the world to do as a career, those things were falling out of the 332 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:22,559 sky. Yeah, and he was chosen to be like the pilot to escort 333 00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:26,519 his commanding officer around or something. So yeah, he said it was Vietnam 334 00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:30,519 veng you sure it wasn't a kream vet. I'm sure it was Vietnam sixty 335 00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:34,279 seven. Yeah, okay, yeah, I think it'd still be in maybe 336 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,079 his time, and they were like you out. Yeah, yeah, he 337 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:42,279 was needed. So anyways, the helicopter arrived with the medical supplies and they 338 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:48,039 quickly realized the needle for administering intravenous blood was missing, so doctor Lipinski ordered 339 00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:52,680 Ray Dukat to be airlifted thirty air miles away to a hospital in Cowspell. 340 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:56,039 His injuries were deemed non life threatening but still serious, and the biggest problem 341 00:22:56,079 --> 00:23:00,160 was that he was facing a lot of blood loss. So within ten or 342 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,240 fifteen minutes of arriving, the helicopter took off again with Roy once again over 343 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:10,960 those mountains with just a map baller baller. Joan looked to her superior ranger, 344 00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:12,920 Gary and said that it was time to find the girl. So Gary 345 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,359 told her to stay behind with the radio, and the search party, which 346 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,599 consisted of some rangers and guests of the chalet, took off. Joan was 347 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,039 left behind with some women who were sobbing because their husbands had gone off with 348 00:23:23,079 --> 00:23:26,640 the search party. There was one man saying that the rescue party was crazy 349 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,640 for going out there, and another man trying to man splain to his wife 350 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,279 how the rescue was to be done exactly without actually volunteering to go himself. 351 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,920 Oh I love it. Yeah, there's a lot of those. Oh, 352 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,519 there we go. So the third doctor that helped Roy sat alongside Joan and 353 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:47,880 pointed out that although Roy's condition had been bad, the girl's condition would be 354 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,240 much worse, just like trying to prepare her for what she was about to 355 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,839 see. So let's pause on the rescue of Julie for a hot second. 356 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,759 I mean they've been passing the entire time, so Wowause, I haven't actually 357 00:23:57,759 --> 00:24:03,359 done anything yet, because the entire fucking hell kid out. They still haven't 358 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,039 done anything to help them. They're on their way. Why are you so 359 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,759 mad because they could have done something already. They can hear her. She's 360 00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:18,400 so close. They're flying in a helicopter. She's right there. Let's go. 361 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:25,359 So Unfortunately, Julie and Roy were not the only ones attacked on August 362 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,880 twelfth, nineteen sixty seven. Motherfucker, let's get back to Denise Huckle, 363 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:36,200 her puppy, Squirt, and the motherfucker out on Lake Trout. If we 364 00:24:36,319 --> 00:24:41,400 killed Squirt right now, I'm going to blow a gasket. Okay, ticked 365 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,559 down my apartment. Denis awoke around two or three am to splashing in the 366 00:24:45,599 --> 00:24:51,200 shallows. Squirts stood up, appeered in that direction and growled, which was 367 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,640 the first sound he had ever made with them. Denise quickly grabbed him and 368 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,559 shoved him into her sleeping bag. Even in the dim light, Denise could 369 00:24:59,559 --> 00:25:02,480 make out the shape of a bear. She heard it wander off in the 370 00:25:02,519 --> 00:25:06,440 direction of their first camp, so she awoke the others. The nosec brothers, 371 00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:08,160 Ray and Ron quickly got up and began to rebuild the fire that had 372 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,559 burnt out. They had a bag of cookies that they'd all been snacking on, 373 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,799 so they set it nearby on a log and then returned to their sleeping 374 00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:19,759 bags. What did you just put on your heads? Don't worry about it. 375 00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:25,920 Okay. Within minutes, the bear returned to their sight and snatched the 376 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,160 bag of cookies and then disappeared. Okay, Although they were all in their 377 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,200 sleeping bags, they were not sleeping. No fucked. Oh no. It 378 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,680 was around three am, and they all knew that the sun wouldn't start to 379 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:41,400 creep up until like five or six. Simultaneously, they heard splashing in the 380 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,519 water near their camp, as Denise had heard earlier, and from above the 381 00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:49,480 camp they heard a woofing sound. By four am, the noises stopped, 382 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,240 and all the campers had fallen asleep again, their heads tucked into their bags, 383 00:25:53,839 --> 00:25:59,759 except for Denise. She lied awake comforting Squirt. She was also concerned 384 00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:03,279 that she, she and Michelle Coons would smell like Squirt the most because they'd 385 00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:04,920 been handling him the most, and didn't know if this would make them more 386 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,759 of a target. At four thirty am, the fire began to die down 387 00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:14,279 again, and Denise heard another splash. She saw a bear in the water, 388 00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:18,519 now running towards the center of their camp. The bear was only a 389 00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:22,680 few feet away from her when she pulled her sleeping bag over her head fully 390 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,279 and Squirt began to squeal, and next she heard a tearing noise like the 391 00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:32,880 bear was ripping into canvas, and then silence, and then the low grunting 392 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,759 and breathing of the bear. She held Squirt and they both trembled as the 393 00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:40,680 bear sniffed at their sleeping bag. And at this point, like everyone had 394 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,000 their bags pulled over their heads, so like like you're hiding from a monster, 395 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,359 like when you're a kid. Paul woke up at this time and saw 396 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:52,039 the bear standing next to him over Denise. He slithered under his bag further 397 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,640 and tried to stay as still as possible. He had been unable to zip 398 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,279 up his bag earlier in the night, so it was just resting on top 399 00:26:57,319 --> 00:27:00,599 of him like a blanket, so all he could do was lie there silently 400 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,720 as the sniffing noises from the bear got closer, and then there was a 401 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:11,000 crunch in his sleeping bag and the bear grabbed his sweatshirt. Instinctively, Paul 402 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,599 threw off the sleeping bag, got to his feet and bumped into the bear. 403 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,319 As he did, the bear reared up on its hind feet and Paul 404 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,359 took this chance to leap over the fire and climb up the nearest tree within 405 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:26,920 seconds. The tree he chose did not have any lower branches, so he 406 00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:30,319 shimmeied his way up it and pore up his skin all along the way. 407 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,039 It's a Scooby Doo cartoon. Yeah, literally, that's why I think of 408 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:38,319 like, just your legs going so fast, they're just like, ye oh, 409 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,119 what the fuck. He reached the top of the tree and looked down 410 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:47,240 to see the bear circling it. Meanwhile, Ron decided this was a good 411 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,640 opportunity for him and Denise to also get the hell up a tree. We 412 00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:52,319 have to get out of here, he said to her, and Denise said 413 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:56,440 that she couldn't because she had to get the collar off the squirt, which 414 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,680 is exactly what I would have said. No, yeah, that's fair again 415 00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:03,480 leaving that baby. He's a sixth member of this group. So Ron told 416 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,279 Denise to run, and when she didn't move, he pulled her out and 417 00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:11,759 pushed her towards the tree line, which is exactly what you would do to 418 00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:15,160 me if I was in this situation. Probably, yeah, then you'd hate 419 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,200 me forever. Yes, I would. They began running towards their original camp 420 00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:22,599 that had been raided the night before. Paul, from his place in the 421 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,079 tree, was screaming at Michelle and Ray Ray, the older of the Noseck 422 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,279 brothers, to get out of their bags. The bear had been startled by 423 00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:33,160 the sudden movement of Denise and Ron in their packs, and briefly took off 424 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,640 from the woods. Denise and Ron got far enough away that they felt like 425 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,920 they could stop to take a breath, and Squirt came running up after them. 426 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:48,240 A yeah, so don't worry, squirt. Ron Ron boosted Denise into 427 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,920 a tree and threw Squirt up to her, and then got up his own 428 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:55,880 tree. Squirt A safe, guys, Spoiler threw Squirt up to her, 429 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,759 then got up his own tree. Out of side of the camp. They 430 00:28:57,799 --> 00:29:02,319 began yelling to the other two as well. Paul, however, could not 431 00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:07,079 see, but could hear the next events unfold before him. Then Grizzly headed 432 00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:11,319 over to Ray and began sniffing his bag. It momentarily turned to Michelle's bag, 433 00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:14,359 and Ray leaped up and took off towards the direction of his brother and 434 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,319 Denise. All the while the others continued to yell at Michelle to get out 435 00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:21,920 of her bag, but the bear sunk its teeth into the side of her 436 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,680 bag and Michelle began to scream. It slashed at her bag with its claws, 437 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,759 and Michelle cried out, he's ripping my arm. Michelle, get out 438 00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:33,480 of your bag and climbed a tree. Paul yelled, I can't. Michelle 439 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,839 responded, he's got the zipper. Next, Michelle yelled, he's got my 440 00:29:38,079 --> 00:29:44,000 arm. My arm is gone. Oh my god, I'm dead. Paul 441 00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:48,160 then watched helplessly from a tree as the bear lifted Michelle in her sleeping bag 442 00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:52,559 and walked off up the hillside into the dark. Paul continued to hear bones 443 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:57,079 crunch all along the way. Paul yelled to the others that Michelle was being 444 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:03,200 dragged up the hill and then yelled dead, She's dead. Assuming the bear 445 00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:06,559 was far enough up the trail and occupied with Michelle, Paul descended from the 446 00:30:06,599 --> 00:30:08,599 tree, took the time to throw on some pants, and took off in 447 00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:12,119 the direction of the others. He climbed a tree nearby, and all they 448 00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:17,000 could do was wait for an hour and a half until the sun rose. 449 00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:21,119 Ron assisted Denise and Squirt while Paul and Ray went back to the camp to 450 00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:25,000 grab some of their stuff in the direction sheld been taken. The two boys 451 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,599 were sure they could hear the sounds of bones crunching still, so the group 452 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:32,880 got their shoes on and took off. Two hours and four miles later, 453 00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:37,519 up two thousand feet of hill, the group of four or five if you 454 00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:41,480 include Squirt thank you, appeared on the road that ran along the Going to 455 00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:45,240 the Sun road along the northern edge of Lake McDonald's. A fisherman and his 456 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,880 wife were about to hike in but saw the group emerge, and they all 457 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,240 piled into the couple's car and went to the closest ranger station to tell them 458 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,279 what had happened. So now let's get back to the rescue of Julie. 459 00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:59,799 The rescue mission for Julie, led by Gary Bunny, began at two forty 460 00:30:59,839 --> 00:31:03,599 five, which is about two hours after the initial attack. This time, 461 00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:08,200 Gary had a miner's lamp attached to his head and a three hundred Winchester magnum 462 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:15,039 fuck Yeah. Accompanying him was Steve Pierre and his friend Reverend Thomas Connolly, 463 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,839 Asshole innkeeper Tom Robert Klein, doctor Lyndon Don and seven or eight others, 464 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,359 and don if you remember, was the one that Roy found in his sleeping 465 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,920 bag and was like help and he's with the clients. Just to keep it 466 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,079 all straight. I know there's a lot of names in people here. So 467 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,160 after coming upon some fresh bear scat in the road, Gary told the group 468 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,799 that if the bear was to appear, they all needed to shine their lights 469 00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:40,799 at it so he could shoot it, and that they'd only have one shot. 470 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,440 They continued on until they reached the trail cabin. Although they had a 471 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,680 general idea of where the attack happened, they actually didn't know what direction she'd 472 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,960 been pulled in, and Steve said that it was unlikely the bear dragged her 473 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,519 more than one hundred yards from where she was attacked, so the best plan 474 00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:56,160 was to head to the campground then fan out from there. Gary led the 475 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,279 group to the campground, where they found Roy and Julie's sleeping bags. Their 476 00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:02,119 belongings were scattered, and there was a small trail of blood leading to the 477 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:07,319 trail cabin, presumably from Roy had a downhill. There was a pool of 478 00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:09,559 blood in some trampled down plants, so Steve and Gary agreed that that was 479 00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:13,960 the best direction. To start looking in the group spread out down the mountain, 480 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,519 and they called out for Julie simultaneously, trying to spread out enough to 481 00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:21,480 be effective, but stay close enough together so that no one was alone. 482 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,519 Steve called out that he had found a trail of blood, so the group 483 00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:28,279 headed in that direction, finding a bloodied purse along the way with nothing in 484 00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:31,440 it but a dollar bill. Steve went faster tracking the blood, and many 485 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,039 times Gary had to tell him to slow down and get behind the gun, 486 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,480 but eventually the trail disappeared. The group spread out again. They were now 487 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:43,559 a couple hundred feet from the campground. The line of rescuers continued on another 488 00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:46,240 twenty yards or so. When they heard something. Gary asked everyone to quiet 489 00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:50,880 down and a head into the left. They heard a small cry for help, 490 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,880 and as one mind, the group took off quickly in that direction. 491 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,480 So she's alive, is she? We don't know it's her, Yes, 492 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:06,480 it's the bear trying to trick him tricks. Gary, Bunny, innkeeper Tom 493 00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:12,000 and Steve were the first to reach Julie. Gary she was on her face 494 00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:15,200 and not clothed. The men were shocked that she was alive because she was 495 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:20,039 covered in blood and her body was torn apart. She's a badass, so 496 00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:22,880 fucked. Oh yeah, Doctor Lynden dropped next to her, and she opened 497 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:28,039 her mouth just enough to say it hurts. Some of the men ran back 498 00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:30,960 to the trail cabin to make the same makeshift stretcher that they'd made for Roy, 499 00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:34,480 using that stuff that was attached to the wall. Meanwhile, doctor Lyndon 500 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,240 assessed Julie miraculously. She had used her shirt to make a pillow for her 501 00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:45,240 head baller. Her jeans were torn all over and her hair was matted to 502 00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:49,440 her head with blood. There was nothing but bone between her hand and elbow 503 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,960 and her right arm, and there were major puncture wounds in her abdomen, 504 00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:57,079 presumably from where the bear had carried her, that were making a sucking sound 505 00:33:57,319 --> 00:34:00,200 because one of her lungs had collapsed her. Her face and neck muscles were 506 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,279 clearly working very hard to try to make up for the lost oxygen from the 507 00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:08,119 collaps lung. Doctor Lindon put compresses on the holes in her abdomen and bandaged 508 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:13,840 them tightly. He began to turn her over and Julie dis repeated cold cold, 509 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:15,800 so he took off his shirt and covered her and the other men began 510 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,800 stripping as well, and soon Julie was buried underneath many layers of clothing. 511 00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:23,880 As they carried Julie up, she asked Don to hold her hand because she 512 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,800 was scared, so he did. Doctor Lindon told everyone to try to keep 513 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,760 quiet and keep Julie quiet, so Father Thomas Connolly kept telling her that God 514 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,159 was watching over her and would help her, and she said, I know 515 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,119 he will. Back at the chalet, Joan was preparing the main room to 516 00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:44,920 be a makeshift operating room. They cleaned the room as best they could, 517 00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:47,960 and Joan had tore each medical supply bag apart because she was like, there's 518 00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:52,760 no way they would supply these bags and not have everything that we would need 519 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,800 in them, Like they're smarter than that. So of course, in tearing 520 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,519 all the bags apart, she did find the missing interview, his needle, 521 00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:04,239 and some morphine. At three thirty am, someone on the balcony said a 522 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,159 loud group was headed back up the trail. Joan ran to wake doctor Lepinsky, 523 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:12,320 who had tried to sneak in some sleep before Julie's arrival. Joan asked 524 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,960 some onlookers to leave and that she'd update them as she could. Some left 525 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,960 in some state. As soon as Julie was put on her makeshift operating table, 526 00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:23,760 she was given morphine. But it was not long before doctor Lepinsky realized 527 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,599 the holes in her abdomen were too drastic to be sealed correctly even if they 528 00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:31,320 were in a real hospital. The wounds were an inch and a half wide. 529 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,239 Fuck. He could see that the muscles on the side of her neck 530 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,960 and around her ribs were standing out desperately trying to get oxygen. All the 531 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:45,960 while the sucking sounds continued, indicating to him that despite his best effort, 532 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:50,360 air was still leaking from her body. Doctor Lepinsky looked at her face, 533 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,760 which was the least damage part of her body. He then looked to the 534 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,320 others around him, and the rest of his makeshift medical team had busied themselves 535 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,719 splinting her arm redoing her bandages. He raised a hand of the younger doctor 536 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,320 who had stepped up at the end to not try so hard to redo her 537 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,119 dressings. He was operating under the triage system. In the concept of skillful 538 00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:13,559 neglect, if you couldn't do much to improve a medical situation, sometimes it 539 00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:17,159 was best to do nothing. As the minutes ticked by doctor Lepinsky came to 540 00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:22,440 the sobering reality that is unlikely Julie would survive. Despite the wounds in her 541 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,719 abdomen the obvious arm wound, he had underestimated the wounds on her leg. 542 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:30,679 There were large sections that had been completely chewed away. Lepinsky told his daughter 543 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,440 to rease to hold the flash like close to Julie's ankle so we could try 544 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,280 to find a vein. But no matter how much he dug, he only 545 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,280 found white flesh. She had lost too much blood and her veins had collapsed. 546 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,559 He found an intact vein in her wrist and put it in an ivy 547 00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:46,480 for blood. Anyways, Reverend Tom Connolly took station at the end of the 548 00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:51,840 table that Julie was on. He began whispering prayers, and Lepinsky noticed that 549 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,760 Julie began to respond, the doctors are doing everything that can be done to 550 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,519 take care of you, and you know that God will watch over you and 551 00:36:58,559 --> 00:37:01,480 take care of you too. Julie responded with yes, I know he will. 552 00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:07,119 Thomas looked at doctor Lepinsky, and doctor Lipinski shook his head, indicating 553 00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:12,000 that Julie would not make it. Thomas then asked Anne to go get some 554 00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:15,159 water, and she obliged. You know God loves you, don't you, 555 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,679 Thomas said, But at this point Julie could no longer respond. He grabbed 556 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,400 her hand and asked again if she knew that God loved her. She squeezed 557 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:27,119 his hands slightly. He asked if she'd been baptized, and when she didn't 558 00:37:27,159 --> 00:37:30,880 respond, he said he was going to baptize her conditionally. He told her 559 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,519 that he was going to trace the sign of a cross in her forehead and 560 00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:37,519 if she had not been baptized before, this would serve as one. Thomas 561 00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:40,599 baptized Julie as the doctors watched. When he was giving the Lord's Prayer. 562 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:45,679 To everyone's shock, it seemed that she was melting the words along with Thomas. 563 00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:51,079 She then began breathing really loudly and hiccuped a few times. Then she 564 00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:53,679 fell silent at the end of the prayer. It was four to twelve am 565 00:37:53,719 --> 00:38:00,000 on Sunday, August thirteenth when Julie passed away. This marked the first fatale 566 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:06,960 in the park since opening fifty seven years before. Let's get back to Michelle's 567 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,039 group. Ranger Leonard Landa was the one the ranger station that Michelle's group ran 568 00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:14,599 to. He had been up most of the night with his wife listening to 569 00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:19,639 the radio overhearing the events of the granted Park chalet. So the group rushed 570 00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:23,280 in, all screaming different things but the same, and it took him a 571 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,280 bit to realize that what they were reporting was a separate bear attack from the 572 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,519 one at the chalet. After ascertaining their story, Ranger Landa radioed headquarters about 573 00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:37,119 the situation, to which they said another girl. So Landa took off with 574 00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:40,559 a loaded rifle, accompanied by Paul and ron So. Denise and the other 575 00:38:40,599 --> 00:38:45,840 guy left with squirt yep So in the rush, they had forgotten the first 576 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:50,960 aid kit again, so a quarter mile in Paul was sent back to the 577 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,920 truck to get it, and seemingly a few minutes later he was back. 578 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,239 A man on horseback, Andy Sampson, who frequented the park to fish, 579 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,280 also caught up with them and asked what was happening. So Leonard Landa told 580 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,480 him that they had bear problems and ordered the man to stay behind them and 581 00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:07,480 fear he may get there first and spook the bear. There were a few 582 00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:12,840 times that ranger Landa had to block Andy's path, assuming that Andy was trying 583 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,360 to get to his fishing spot uninterrupted. It was around ten am when they 584 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,559 reached the first camp, the one that they had been at first but was 585 00:39:20,639 --> 00:39:23,639 ruined, and then they moved that second camp. John Westover, the pilot 586 00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:28,280 that had helped in the first attack, was almost immediately called upon again as 587 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,079 soon as he got to his bunk that night because there was a second attack 588 00:39:31,159 --> 00:39:37,000 at Trout Lake, so he went off with an armed ranger again. Bert 589 00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:40,800 Gildart, who was Leonard Landa's friend, had been told by higher ups to 590 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,400 follow the group, and he basically ran all the way there, arriving fifteen 591 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:50,320 to twenty minutes after the initial group arrived at the campsite. So they gathered 592 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,880 up and followed a blood trail up a dark slope, with Leonard Landa in 593 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,639 the lead. He stopped when he saw a flash of white and instinctively leaned 594 00:39:58,679 --> 00:40:01,280 down to grab it, just to find that it was a severed ear with 595 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:07,559 no blood or ragged edges. Damn. Yeah. So they followed this trail 596 00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:12,920 of basically like torn up things from like Michelle's sleeping bag and like other articles 597 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,480 of clothing and whatnot, and Leonard Landa was the first to reach Michelle Coon's 598 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:22,079 and was shocked. She was on her back, completely unrecognizable. Her stomach 599 00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:28,159 and abdomen were gone, and the hair in her head was gone as well. 600 00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:31,920 And the documentary has her parents in it, and her parents talk about 601 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:37,519 what it was like to receive the phone call that their daughter had died, 602 00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:40,360 and the dad like, the first thing he asked was was anyone else hurt 603 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,360 in the group, And they said, like, another boy was like hit 604 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,360 by the bear, but no, but another girl died on that night, 605 00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:53,239 a completely separate event. Yeah, yep, what the fuck man? Yeah. 606 00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:58,639 Before any of these attacks happened, the park rangers had set out a 607 00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:01,880 few traps for the bears that were causing problems, but initially had no luck, 608 00:41:02,199 --> 00:41:06,239 and for a month there had been an order to shoot any bear on 609 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,360 site that was like you know, getting close to people. Yeah. Before 610 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:15,159 the attacks, however, most rangers felt that that order was a formality and 611 00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:17,599 that it wouldn't be carried out, mostly because some senior rangers told them to 612 00:41:17,679 --> 00:41:23,760 quote wait and see. So clearly they waited and they saw this is so 613 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:29,039 fucking insane. From the beginning to the end, like yeah, And I'm 614 00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:31,079 gonna breeze over this part because it fucking sucks. And this is the part 615 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,679 that when you and I had talked about covering the story, I said there 616 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,280 was one thing that happened that made me not want to talk about this or 617 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,880 think about it ever. So this is the part I'm gonna blow over it. 618 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,159 I'm not even gonna say the thing that bothered me the most, So 619 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,079 we're gonna just blow it through it, okay. The day after the attacks, 620 00:41:49,159 --> 00:41:52,400 August thirteenth, arm rangers were sent to the chalet and were ordered to 621 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,480 bait and shoot any bear that emerged. Two adult bears were shot that night. 622 00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:00,960 On the second night, Asa with two cubs appeared. She'd frequented the 623 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:05,239 area all summer, and once again I won't go into detail, and all 624 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,199 say is that her cubs died a slow and painful death. The soao obviously 625 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:12,880 was also shot, and they determined that she had an injured poppad that must 626 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,519 have left her in constant pain. But it was never determined if this soo 627 00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:19,039 had any part to play in the death of Julie, or if the other 628 00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:22,199 adults had any part to play. So they have no idea. No, 629 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:23,039 I mean, like, obviously it was one of these bears. They just 630 00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:25,960 have no idea which one is it? Obviously one of those bears, though, 631 00:42:27,039 --> 00:42:31,079 like bears move around a decent amount. Yep, As I'm sure many 632 00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:36,199 of us assumed, the problem female bear that rated Kelly's camp all summer long 633 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,800 and was habituated to people was the bear that killed Michelle. Also, this 634 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,760 was the same bear that went after the girls kept group. So these are 635 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,159 two different bears on the same I honestly kind of thought that this bear was 636 00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:51,039 to call an ass. No, these were two different bears killing people on 637 00:42:51,079 --> 00:42:53,280 the same night, like around the same time. I got, like, 638 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,519 you're kind of in the same area too, Like eight miles is a lot, 639 00:42:57,559 --> 00:43:00,679 but like a bear can cover that in a couple hours. Well, 640 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,440 remember I said it was over like a nine thousand foot mountain. That's something 641 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,199 for us. But come on, bears are fucking badass, then they can 642 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:08,960 jump over that, not within like the span of an hour or two. 643 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,639 You're right, You're right. Yeah, So it was two separate bears. 644 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:20,239 So Bert Gildart and Leonard Landa were tasked with finding and killing the bear that 645 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,039 killed Michelle. Once Michelle's body had been taken out Landa and Gildart cleared the 646 00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:29,159 area and closed off the trail. They baited a campground in the shoreline of 647 00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:30,840 Trout Lake and waited a few hours, but the bear did not show, 648 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:36,280 so they had a two miles upstream to a shelter cabin, and on their 649 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,440 way they spotted fresh bear tracks and scat. They were relieved when they got 650 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,960 to the shelter and thought, oh, thank god, we're finally safe, 651 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,920 but the next morning the bear found them. Bert stepped outside after he woke 652 00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:52,400 up to see the bear forty feet away, standing on its hind legs staring 653 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,760 at him, and then she dropped back down on all fours, and he 654 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:59,880 quickly called to Leonard to bring the guns. The bear moved towards them, 655 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,840 and when she reared up again, they both fired. Within a few hours, 656 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,400 an FBI agent and the park biologists were flown to the site where they 657 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:13,000 neicrops ate the bear that killed Michelle, and inside the bear was a ball 658 00:44:13,079 --> 00:44:17,440 of blonde hair fuck. The biologists also found that there was a glass embedded 659 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,119 in the bear's molars, which was a clear indication that she was also living 660 00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:27,000 in Constant Pine. That's the one that ate the jar foney or jam. 661 00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:32,960 Yeah, yep, exactly. Fuck So this is the end the grizzly So 662 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,960 I just want to take a second and go over like what happened after this 663 00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:43,199 because of these attacks. So after this, grizzlies were hunted and killed for 664 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,719 the next ten years pretty aggressively, and it looked pretty bleak for the species 665 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,559 as a whole, like we were not sure they were gonna survive this. 666 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:57,639 But in nineteen seventy three, the Endangered Species Act was enacted, which likely 667 00:44:57,679 --> 00:45:00,320 saved the species as a whole by protecting their habit and limiting the hunting that 668 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:05,440 happened to them. I feel like this whole event probably had a really negative 669 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,800 effect on like the reputation of grizzly bears in Montana too, because like, 670 00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:10,760 yeah, they had never attacked anyone in the park, Like people probably thought 671 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,400 they're cool and we're concerned about them, of course, but still to this 672 00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:19,199 day, like there are farmers and like grantors that will just shoot bears on 673 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,360 site for more than just protecting their catalog, just because they hate bears, 674 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:27,440 like they are inherently like many social problems in this world. They just learned 675 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,599 to hate bears as a child and they stick with that forever. Yeah. 676 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:31,960 I know we have different opinions on this story, so I don't want to 677 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,800 go off too too much, but I don't think we do. I'm very 678 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,199 annoyed no one did anything to help anybody in this like those two girls died 679 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:44,519 and no one did anything to help them. My frustration comes from, once 680 00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:46,320 again, I said, the beginning, they didn't know then what we know 681 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:51,599 now, So it's hard to say something should have been done because back then 682 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,320 they didn't want to kill grizzlies because that's what brought people to the parks, 683 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,199 and they were like, no, things need to be safe. Yeah, 684 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,920 I understand all those this year where people didn't know how quickly or like how 685 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,559 intensely bears can get ebituated. Okay, that makes sense. But when your 686 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:13,000 girlfriend or like you hear some screaming out in the forest, like someone is 687 00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:15,239 taken away, and then no one does anything and the girl was found after 688 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,599 two hours and she dies on the operating table, Like if you found her 689 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,480 after twenty minutes, she might live. See that's the thing. I don't 690 00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:25,280 know. It's not that hard to just go attempt to do something. They 691 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:30,760 did nothing for so long. I don't know if Julie would have lived anyways, 692 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,559 I don't know either. I don't just because the wounds, like the 693 00:46:32,639 --> 00:46:37,400 doctor said, they were so big that it was I mean even a hospital 694 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,880 when of course, but like she was able to survive out in the forest 695 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,679 for two hours with h stuff going on, you get her a doctor, 696 00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:46,000 Like how much long could you live for? Like how how many other people 697 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,519 can get there to help them? Or can they get her somewhere else that 698 00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:52,239 get help, Like yeah, I understand she might have still passed away, 699 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:57,760 But again, no one did anything for two hours, and they could hear 700 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,639 her. They didn't have to find her, they knew where she go. 701 00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:06,760 Get her. The whole thing sucked. So Jack Olsen, like I said, 702 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,039 die in two thousand and two, but lived to see the Endangered Species 703 00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:13,840 Act enacted because after this, like he was a proponent of we should not 704 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,639 just kill these animals, Like we fucked up as a species. This could 705 00:47:17,679 --> 00:47:22,599 have been prevented kind of thing. Joan Devereux was given an award to honor 706 00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:25,079 her courage and leadership that night. Because there's a lot of stuff I left 707 00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:31,360 out but Joan fucking killed it. She literally made a landing pad for the 708 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:37,960 helicopter. She organized like the whole operating room. She if you read the 709 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,400 book or watch the documentary, like, she was a big leader in this 710 00:47:40,519 --> 00:47:44,239 and helped to calm a lot of people down. So she got an award 711 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,159 for that. Each year, Reverend Thomas Connolly returns to the area to pray 712 00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:51,679 for the wildlife and for the women that were lost on that night. And 713 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:57,000 nineteen years to the day after her sister's death, Michelle's sister gave birth to 714 00:47:57,039 --> 00:48:01,320 a baby girl named Courtney Michelle. Nineteen sixty seven, there were only around 715 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:07,000 two hundred grizzlies left in and around Glacier and now in Montana as a whole, 716 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,280 they were close to two thousand. So in that park they were only 717 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,400 two hundred fucking bears, and two of them just happened to eat people on 718 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:19,360 the same day. Yep, that's some pretty bad fucking odds. No one 719 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,360 knows obviously, well, I mean, obviously habituation of people caused this, 720 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,960 but some people and all two hundred those fucking bears probabituated, like yeah, 721 00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:30,599 God, and some people were theorizing that like the crazy lightning storm and the 722 00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:34,000 fires that were happening, and the fact that these bears were starving contributed a 723 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,280 lot to this, so it was like a perfect storm. Yeah, and 724 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,440 you did mention that one of the bears was pretty thin, so yeah, 725 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:44,519 the trail leag bear yeap. Yeah, So yeah, I'm sure all those 726 00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:49,239 things are definitely adding up, but so so many things went wrong in this. 727 00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:52,360 Yeah, I did want to mention a few things. So the documentary, 728 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:52,960 if you guys want to watch it, I'll link to it in the 729 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:58,280 description, of course. But in it you meet Reverend Thomas Connolly, Rey 730 00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,880 Ducat, Michelle Kuhn's pa, and her brother and sister, Leonard Landa, 731 00:49:02,119 --> 00:49:07,480 Paul Dunn, Joan Devereaux, Don Gullet, Steve Pierre, the helicopter pilot, 732 00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:10,440 Gary Bunny. Like, there's a ton of survivors in that documentary, 733 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:16,559 so that's great. Also, the documentary reveals that Michelle Kons and her group 734 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:22,599 had asked Roy and Julie to join them at Trout Lake, but obviously Roy 735 00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:27,599 and Julie opted for a different area. So they were almost all together because 736 00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:30,519 they were all friends, because they all worked together, and even more crazy, 737 00:49:31,159 --> 00:49:36,880 Julie and Roy had also asked Paul Dunne to go with them, but 738 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,199 Paul chose to go with Michelle's group instead. Oh boy, Paul was like, 739 00:49:40,599 --> 00:49:45,800 no matter what I had done that night, like I was, Yeah, 740 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,159 he was like, I was meant to experience whatever this was, Like, 741 00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:51,239 it's crazy. I get chill. I'm still getting chills talking about it. 742 00:49:51,559 --> 00:49:54,159 So yeah, highly worth the watch. The book is worth the read, 743 00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:58,639 slash listen if that's what you do. But yeah, that's it, 744 00:49:58,679 --> 00:50:02,440 that's the Grizzly Night. I'm still very mad at these people. This is 745 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:07,840 such a fucked up story, isn't it crazy? It's so it's so fucked 746 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:12,239 up, Like how many years did they fuck up this National Park to the 747 00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,480 point where the bears are literally just going and snatching people? Yeah, I 748 00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:19,360 mean they were literally fed right, like that garbage was put out for the 749 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,079 bears. Like, I know, we're still bad, but like not that 750 00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:25,639 bad anymore, hopefully. I like you think I spent a lot of time 751 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,400 yo, seventy, which is really bad for this kind of stuff with bear 752 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,880 habituation. Not grizzlies of course, but still, yeah, this is insane. 753 00:50:34,199 --> 00:50:37,719 Yep, that's it, folks. Pretty sick summer though, was it 754 00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:43,480 Like, no, it was bad. The whole thing was bad. And 755 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,719 uh, of course in the end, the Grizzlies got super fucked, super 756 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:51,519 fucked, which they always do. Yeah, speaking of I would like to 757 00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:53,400 give a short update, which I don't think I've talked to you about because 758 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,760 I don't how closely do you watch our Facebook page? I don't go exactly, 759 00:50:58,199 --> 00:51:01,800 so my mom sent me article. Thanks Patty. So do you remember 760 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,639 the polar bear story that we covered about the boy that was killed in uh 761 00:51:06,679 --> 00:51:10,199 Norway? Yes, a woman like within the past few months, was just 762 00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:14,639 attacked in the same area and they went out and killed the polar bear. 763 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:20,840 And apparently it's launching a debate because some people want us to kill all the 764 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:25,559 polar bears that come close to people instead of the government not stopping people from 765 00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:30,800 fucking camping where polar bears are starving and will eat people. That is like 766 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:37,760 the ultimate first worldlike, yeah, we own everything yep. Wow. Oh 767 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,079 super frustrating. Yeah, that's really dumb. Like how when you say like 768 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,840 it's getting like steam, Like, how many people actually think about this? 769 00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:47,880 Like thousands of millions? Check out the article. Bruh, that's insane. 770 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,119 Yeah, you have to do some reading. But yeah, I mean when 771 00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:54,800 you watch the documentary, there's a wild life biologist on there who talks about 772 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,960 the fact that, like, and we've talked about it so many times, 773 00:51:58,039 --> 00:52:02,440 especially in the Coyote episode, like we as white people, came to North 774 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:08,360 America with the mindset of like medieval times and like living in fucking Europe and 775 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,960 killing everything there. So we just came here and did the same thing and 776 00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:17,480 continue to do the same thing. And it's so frustrating that we keep doing 777 00:52:17,519 --> 00:52:22,840 this and keep fucking up. It's twenty twenty two and we're still arguing about 778 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,440 if we should shoot wolves, you know. Yeah, don't get me wrong, 779 00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:30,719 I'm a biologist. I completely understand the need to kill some individuals and 780 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:36,800 like population management is a thing, but why are we allowing people to like 781 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:45,159 fucking bait animals and ah it, it gets me very upset. I love 782 00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:49,320 the predators so much, and they're so controversial and some people just hate them 783 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,199 so much for like super selfish reasons, and it's very frustrating. No, 784 00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:57,119 I totally agree. Yeah, I don't know, Like there's so much so 785 00:52:57,119 --> 00:52:59,440 many things you say, like you like you're saying like no, we don't 786 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,599 want anyone to kill predators, but like, yes, if they are invading 787 00:53:01,639 --> 00:53:07,360 someone's cattle, like we understand that has to die, or someone's if it's 788 00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,000 getting too habituated humans in a scared a memore, yes, that's to die. 789 00:53:09,199 --> 00:53:13,679 So it's so hard to who's making that decision as to yep, this 790 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,039 animal has been to habituated, this animal has taken too many casts from a 791 00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:21,440 former Like whose choice is it to pull the trigger? You know, it's 792 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,400 just the dude who who's holding the gun, because that's that's dangerous. Yeah, 793 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,400 And in New Hampshire, it's very frustrating. I've talked about it multiple 794 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:34,039 times. But there's this law RSA two seven twenty six that's sign that petition. 795 00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:35,840 By the way, thank you very much. I have a petition for 796 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,760 that. Governors knew new. I'm fucking come for you, bitch. So 797 00:53:38,599 --> 00:53:43,639 that law states that like you can shoot any animal that's doing damage to your 798 00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:45,519 property, like active damage, like you have to catch them doing it. 799 00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:51,079 But it's so vague. Yeah, what does damage mean? Exactly? That 800 00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:53,920 means if a black bear is in your backyard scaring your dogs, you can 801 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:59,719 kill it and conservation officers won't do a damn thing about it. It's so 802 00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,519 so frustrating, especially as a biologist in this state who used to try to 803 00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:07,280 help the black bears all the time and who had to go see a pit 804 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:12,800 of dead fucking black bears. It sucks so bad. And like they're black 805 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,920 bears. I understand black bears do kill people and can No one in New 806 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,760 Hampshire has been killed by a black bear since the seventeen hundreds. No, 807 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:24,920 it's all fear and like property damage based ignorance, ignorance and selfishness. Yeah, 808 00:54:25,079 --> 00:54:30,800 it's uh, it's very frustrating, and that's how we make this podcast. 809 00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:34,079 I would like to say I'm not against black bear hunting or anything like 810 00:54:34,159 --> 00:54:37,880 I'll probably be going this year, but I feel like there's a significant difference 811 00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:42,760 between regulated hunting and just killing things because it's walking it backyard, which is 812 00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,599 the story we talked about not too long ago. Yeah. Yeah, because 813 00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:50,519 if you follow the Kilum Bear Center, which I post on our Instagram, 814 00:54:50,519 --> 00:54:53,440 get at a live pod all the time because it's just an endless source of 815 00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:58,159 little baby black bears wandering around. It's great, big though they are, 816 00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,639 they constantly get orphaned from people who just like shoot bears because they're like, 817 00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,559 oh, I thought they were gonna attack my dogs. It's like, statistically, 818 00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:10,519 no, they're not going to their bfb's big fat babies. Please stop 819 00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:16,760 killing just so quickly, like it was scary your dogs who had time to 820 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:21,039 go get a gun, or you were waiting with a gun. There's a 821 00:55:21,079 --> 00:55:24,360 lot of steps between there that could happen exactly. I know they have a 822 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,760 lot of shit to do, but let's start cracking down on people writing citations 823 00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:36,800 for when people shoot animals for no goddamn reason other than scaring my dog drops. 824 00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:42,360 We're gonna fucking end on that note. It's okay to end on anger 825 00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,760 and not on forgiveness. We are both angry a lot of the time, 826 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:47,960 so kind of the way we are, which is a great segue. Follow 827 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:52,639 me on Twitter at the Angry Ologist boom Bam. Follow us on Instagram, 828 00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,519 Get a live pod, Follow us on Facebook, get a live podcast. 829 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,360 You can join our Patreon you'll get bonus episodes. You all so might have 830 00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:05,079 gotten this episode early. You can also get gifts if you join our Expert 831 00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:09,679 Survivals level, which is fantastic. They're pretty sick gifts. I the one 832 00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,800 that we just sent out is so good. I'll post a picture once. 833 00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,079 I'm sure everyone gets theirs. 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