Welcome to episode thirty four of Get Out Alive, a podcast where me your
host Ashley every other week tells you a new animal tag story, and me,
your other host, Nick, is just happy to be here. Some
days. Some days I have no idea what to say right now. I
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forget and I don't know what to deal on the spot. Well, you
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yep. Well part two, so our story begins again where we left off
with hearing someone scream, God help me, somebody helped me after they had
already screamed two three, two other times at least, and then even though
they and didn't go do anything and was scared I would got either. I
just he was probably scared. That's why you didn't say shit. He's like,
I don't want to fucking deal with that. Probably. Yeah. He
also thought that men don't bother WI been up in this part of the world
for some reason, but they do, yes, So he is obviously clearly
dumb. But she didn't do anything to help. She did nothing. This
is the last part where they're being dumb. So but they did just let
someone apparently get murdered, all right. So therese their sixteen year old daughter
had slept in her clothes, so her parents ordered her downstairs to alert the
chalet's manager. Now they were for sure that something was wrong. They hear
screaming, yeah, and their response is to send out their sixteen year old
daughter downstairs to get like the manager of the I would not leave let her
leave my sight, I would say you if you thought yeah, yeah,
yeah, okakay, will I'll calm down. I'm sorry, I am sorry.
Hey, don said not to muzzliare so fucking stupid. It's upsetting for
a while. Now the whole thing's up. Teres had a hard time finding
someone that was in charge. She asked around downstairs, where they were hikers
sleeping on the floor. So finally she just called out, who's in charge
of this thing? And when someone asked why, she said someone outside was
in trouble, and someone on the floor allegedly commented, quote, oh,
the poor thing, And I just like to give a big old f you
to that person. This is but again, in trouble is not it's not
enough, yeah, and saying, oh my god, he's stabbing me.
Yeah, I have so many issues with this. I'm sorry, It's okay.
So Teres started banging on doors until she came across Joan Devereaux, who
had guided them to the chalet. Joan also doubted Terese and said that she
was dreaming, so it took her a few minutes to convince Joan that something
was going on. So Joan went out into the main room, ordered a
kitchen employee to get a radio, and laced up her boots. She turned
to Teres and said, let's go. The innkeeper Tom Walton and his wife
Nancy were asleep when an employee banged on his door and told him something was
wrong. He said, people once again were probably dreaming and nothing could possibly
be wrong outside because there was no one out there, so he shut the
door and got back into bed. The employee banged again and insisted that he
get up, so he did, which is his fucking job. I don't
like Tom. We'll get there, so Tom went out to the balcony and
met up with the Leapinskys and Joan, who were seemingly waiting to hear something.
It was silent, and Tom assured them that there couldn't be anything wrong
out there. Listen to how quiet it is. Anne assured him that they
had heard screams, and doctor Lepinsky asked what was down there, pointing in
the direction of the screams. Innkeeper Tom said that was the direction of the
campground, so doctor Lepinsky shouted, is everything okay down in the direction of
the campsite and waited no. A muffled shout came from the right of the
campground, from the direction of the trail cabin. When doctor Lepinsky asked what
the trouble was, the voice shouted back, bare, why are you fuming?
This is so fucking stupid. This is so fucking stupid. Hey,
are you being stabbed? Like? Are you okay? No? Oh what's
wrong? I won't know how bad? It's why I come over. What
it is? Pretty whack? Yeah? Also, so what what are you
wishing to accomplish? It worked? Like by yelling, Hey, what's what's
going on down there? When you yell to a fucking campground in the sixties,
they're all gonna be high as shit, like playing music and shit if
they're awake, and if they're not awake, they're all sleep and whoever was
just attacked might be fucking dead. So you're not gonna hear them, thankfully,
I guess there was a response. So again, so you an n
tangent for nothing. I'll break it down. You're gonna be all up and
down in this episode. Oh god, Okay, So let's get back to
the Kleines and Dawn, who were camped five hundred yards beneath the chalet.
Near that cabin, Janet awoke to what she assumed was a mountain lion killing
a deer. She sat straight up in her sleeping bag listening, but quickly
realized what she thought was a cat screaming headwords mixed in. There'd be a
long scream and the word help, and another long scream and then the word
mommy. Oh man. Robert Climb was stirring awake, and Janet shoved him,
like get the fuck up, and they listened together, and the screaming
began again. Robert initially thought it was a child having a nightmare because like
mommy, but they didn't see any children in the campground. The screaming began
again, but this time farther away, as if this possible child was running
down the trail or by a fucking bear. Then one long scream and then
silence. It was twelve fifty am. Don, who was on the other
side of the cabin from the clines, awoke at one am, but wasn't
sure what had woken him. I just got the chills because this part is
so spooky. When Don rolled over, he saw someone standing at the end
of his sleeping bag. Then they fell to their knees and fell flat on
the ground. When Don leaned in, he realized he was staring into the
eyes of Roy Duquet, one of the teens that had stopped at their campsite
before bed. Roy was giggling and speaking nonsense, and Don quickly determined that
he was in shock. Roy said, a bear got a hold of me.
I tried playing dead, but it didn't help. He dragged her off
into the brush. You have to go after her. Forget about me.
The bear dragged her away. Can someone go find her. This all happened
in seconds, so Don was still waking up. You've got to be kidding
me, he said, until he realized that Roy was covered in blood and
his arm was dangling out of its socket. Oh oh, oh, what
a fucking way to wake up in the dark in the wars. This is
Yes, this is a real story. The survivors of this say that this
book is like the most accurate representation of what happened. Oh my god,
yeah, because the guy who wrote this like interviewed all the survivors and stuff,
so it's not just like some made up store. Oh this was the
scariest thing you could possibly imagine in the fucking woods, waking up to someone
bloodied at the end of your sleeping bag, except for being torn up and
having your girlfriend taken away by a bear. Yep, yep, that's scarier.
Let's not forget about the actual victims here. Absolutely, you're not wrong.
Oh my god. So Don immediately began heading towards the chalet, but
Roy asked not to be left behind. So Don helps Roy. Wait wait
wait, wait, wait wait is this The screaming's not coming from the chalet.
What do you mean like this, she's running to the chalet. Screaming
is not coming from this Don okay, don Ise running for the chalet.
M hm, the screaming's not coming from the chalet. Yes, he was
trying to go get help. There's no time for the girls even take it
by a bear? Did you get help? Get over? What the fuck
is anyone's gonna do the on hast any guns? We just went over this.
You're running the wrong direction. You were running the wrong direction. What
do you want him to do? Go get the fucking girl? Nick.
If Roy got ripped apart and the bear dragged off, Julie, what do
you think Don is going to do in the middle of the night. There's
a group of them, Get everyone together and go seconds to slap somebody.
Just scare it. Do anything? Do anything other than nothing, which is
what they're doing right now. Nick, do anything, then run the opposite
direction of what's happening. I said one sentence, and you got so angry
you don't even know what happens next. Okay, I'm sorry, Okay.
Roy asked not to be find I'm only laughing because Nick is freaking out.
So Don helped Roy crawl towards the clients, who were only thirty feet away.
Meanwhile, Roy kept repeating the bear quote got the girl and that someone
had to help her. The small group tried to open the trail cabin where
they were sleeping outside of, but it was locked, so Robert Klein began
bandaging Roy up as best he could. The clients began climbing up the side
of the cabin to the flat roof, and when Robert asked Don if he'd
be joining, the nineteen year old said no, I'm staying down here with
Roy. You signal for help. Robert began blinking his flashlight towards the chalet,
and it wasn't long before the flashlights started to actually give out. They
determined that Roy was gravely injured and could not walk. They were losing hope,
assuming that no one at the chalet was awake to assist, but luckily
they saw a light flashing back at them from the chalet, so Robert began
flashing back at them, and soon after that they heard doctor Lipinski call down,
asking if everyone was okay. They waited for help, all the while
Roy was flipping in and out of panic. So because Roy was slipping in
an ot of panic and not consciousness, he could recount exactly what had happened
to everyone that he was with. He had been sound asleep and awoke to
Julie telling him to play dead. He didn't know what she was talking about,
so he like kind of moved a little bit like grogoli, like waking
up, Like what when a giant paw hit both of them and sent them
flying feet away from their sleeping bags. Oh fuck. He had landed on
his stomach and recalls that the air around him smelled terrible, like wet,
dirty sheep dogs, which is the thing that we've talked about before with grizzlies,
Like everyone who gets attacked is like they stink, so they don't grown
themselves at all and think, well, I think it's their breath from like
eating. Oh yeah, gros garbage, literally people. From the corner of
his eye, Roy saw Julie a few feet away. Before he could do
anything else, there was a deep bite into his shoulder, right to the
bone. Miraculously, he did not move or make a sound. Roy's a
baller. I could not do that. No, oh, no, no,
no no. The bite ceased, and he opened one eye to see
the bear standing above Julie. He closed his eye again just in time for
the bear to come back to him. The bear stood on his back and
bit down on his left arm, then bit down the back of his thighs,
and Roy remained silent the entire time. The bear stepped off of Roy
and went back to Julie. This time Roy remembers hearing bones crunch and Julie
screamed out, it hurts, and someone helped us. Roy then realized that
Julie's screams now coming from the distance, and he assumed the bear was dragging
her away, and then there was silence. He jumped to his feet and
ran uphill as quickly as he could until he found an occupied sleeping bag,
and all the while could not stop thinking about Julie and how helpless they both
were. Now, let's get back to the chalet, and specifically innkeeper Tom,
who sucks because Tom was annoyed. He was annoyed by Janet Klein,
who he deemed a hysterical woman and had no idea why Robert Klein would camp
outside with a woman like that. He was especially annoyed that because a bear
started sniffing around and scared this woman, that now he had to get up
and do his job and gather a group of people to help. So Tom
led a group of thirteen others down the trail towards the screams. One staff
member who was in this rescue group, a teenage girl, was scared and
asked what they were going to do, and Tom's super professional response was quote,
shut up and get back in line. That's what you're gonna do.
This guy awesome. That's why we hate Tom. Love the story. I
love the story so much. There's another part in the story that I specifically
left out because I knew that you'd be so angry. Just know that things
were cut from the story to make you less angry. I would like to
know what it is after we'reout recording. That sounds great. So among this
group was Tom, two young female staff members naturalist Joan Anne and John Lopinsky,
Doctor Lindon, the guy from Lafia who we love, Reverend Thomas and
his friend Steve the Native American, and some other guests. Steve told the
others that the one thing that would frighten a bear was fire, So before
they left, they grabbed this like metal tub and some of them gathered wood
put it in the tub, and they were just like dragging a tub of
fire with them. Essentially, it'll actually it was when the group came around
the bend and saw Roy and Coe chaos began. They were now all certain
that there was a deadly bear in the woods and it was around them probably,
so doctor Lindon asked her first aid kit, but somehow no one in
the rescue group brought one. Oh so Robert Klein luckily obviously had one and
offered his up, and within seconds doctor Lindon was patching Roy up. Doctor
Lepinsky was beside him, waiting to take over. Once basic first aid was
administered, Roy kept asking the group to find Julie. Doctor Lapinsky didn't say
it out loud and fear that it would come off horribly like it's probably gonna
come off to you, but when triaging patients, he said the doctor's responsibility
as to whoever can be saved first, and those beyond help were treated last
or left to die. Yep, witch like yeah. Some from the group
bust the door to the cabin in and began dismantling some bedsprings that were nailed
to the side of the cabin to keep out bears from like the windows and
stuff, and they used that as a makeshift stretcher along with the sleeping bag.
The clins and a small group of others began to take the stretcher up
the trail towards chalet. The group got lost a few times, despite Robert
repeatedly saying that they were not on the trail, so instead of taking ten
minutes to get back to the chalet, it took half an hour. Oh
my god. When they got back to the chalet, Roy was put on
a table and doctor Lepinski, the surgeon, got to work. The other
half of the party was still at the cabin below. Joe and the naturalist
fumbled with her radio for a while, trying to remember the Parks radio procedure.
She had only had a single quick run through, which did not cover
what to do in the middle in the of the night, in an emergency
where people were attacked by grizzly, which had never happened before, and they
sent her on an over anight hike. Yep, a woman, can you
believe it? Okay? Despite calling out on the radio code three bear emergency
multiple times, there was no response and she was about to give up.
Someone told her to keep on it, and they knew that other rangers had
their radios on for firewatch. Eventually, a ten to four came across from
a seasoned ranger named Bert Gildart. What a name? Yeah, Burn's great
Bert Gildart. Yep, I love it. He said he was on his
way with his patrol car and told them to stand by while he tried to
get headquarters in touch with them. A few minutes later, a deeper voice
came across the radio. It was fire control Officer Gary Bunny. Yes,
like Bunny, another name, right, There's a lot of great names in
this so Gary asked what was going on and Joan simply cried out, we
had him maulingling. She called out multiple times because she just held the radio
right to her mouth and was basically just like, what do we had a
mawling, which is exactly what I would do. So eventually Gary said ten
four, you had a mauling, what do you need? And Joan calmed
slightly and said that they had a doctor but needed medical supplies. So doctor
Lindon began to list what he needed, but his confusing accent, on account
of all the places lived fuck and the weak radio signal made it difficult for
them to get across what they needed, so Joan did her best to relay
everything that they could. They also told Gary that there was another victim that
had been hauled away, so with help on the way, they set out
for their next task, which was finding Julie. However, because Joan was
the only one in this group with the dark green Ranger uniform, she was
the de facto leader. She was also wildly inexperienced in search and rescue as
a botanist and naturalist. She decided the group was to head back to the
chalet and wait for professional help. Doctor Lindon said they must find Julie,
but none of them knew what direction is start in, so they argued about
this for a little bit, but doctor Lindon was the only one who was
like super insistent on it, and the others basically were like, yeah,
it's probably best if we go back and wait for professional help and someone with
a gun. You look upset by this. I'm gonna keep moving. The
girl is just bleeding out. Possibly there's nothing they could do alive. Possibly
they could go where they didn't know where. Just literally go do again.
They're doing nothing right now. Nothing is the only bad thing to do.
I disagree in the situation. Okay, we'll see how it plase him.
Everyone made it back to the chalet safely, and Roy was on the table
being tended to by now three doctors because a third physician was present at the
chalet that night, which is a gosh dang miracle. That's a lot of
doctors. And there was also and Lipinski who was a registered nurse. So
like it, it's pretty good. Do you think it's like a lifelong dream
of doctors for somebody, like is there a doctor on this plane? Like
something this happens and there's three of them, It's like, oh, this
kind texts my moment. Got to share it with these guys. They were
all different kinds of doctors. So there was like a surgeon. Yeah,
and then the guy who came up at the end was a I believe Air
Force doctor, Like he had been a doctor in the Air Force, so
he knew like battle stuff. I don't know whatever, you know more than
I would. So over the radio headquarters said that in twenty to thirty minutes,
a helicopter would arrive with medical supplies and an armed ranger. From the
balcony, others could hear Julie moaning in the woods. Oh my god,
but her rescue you would have to wait. I would also very quickly like
to acknowledge the badass helicopter pilot who was a Vietnam vet named John Westover,
and he was an incredible pilot and managed to land this helicopter and pitch black,
going over mountains, through wildfire smoke, and landing on the side of
a mountain, and literally the only thing they had to find their way to
the chalet was a topographical map. They had no electronic instruments to help them.
Oh yeah, no, those did. Your badass pilots in general are
pretty much badass. So he's in the documentary and he says, yeah,
what makes me a good pilot is a I never assume anything bad's gonna happen,
so just send it. It's so funny. I mean, in a
helicopter from back then, you have to be like the bravest fucking person in
the world to do as a career, those things were falling out of the
sky. Yeah, and he was chosen to be like the pilot to escort
his commanding officer around or something. So yeah, he said it was Vietnam
veng you sure it wasn't a kream vet. I'm sure it was Vietnam sixty
seven. Yeah, okay, yeah, I think it'd still be in maybe
his time, and they were like you out. Yeah, yeah, he
was needed. So anyways, the helicopter arrived with the medical supplies and they
quickly realized the needle for administering intravenous blood was missing, so doctor Lipinski ordered
Ray Dukat to be airlifted thirty air miles away to a hospital in Cowspell.
His injuries were deemed non life threatening but still serious, and the biggest problem
was that he was facing a lot of blood loss. So within ten or
fifteen minutes of arriving, the helicopter took off again with Roy once again over
those mountains with just a map baller baller. Joan looked to her superior ranger,
Gary and said that it was time to find the girl. So Gary
told her to stay behind with the radio, and the search party, which
consisted of some rangers and guests of the chalet, took off. Joan was
left behind with some women who were sobbing because their husbands had gone off with
the search party. There was one man saying that the rescue party was crazy
for going out there, and another man trying to man splain to his wife
how the rescue was to be done exactly without actually volunteering to go himself.
Oh I love it. Yeah, there's a lot of those. Oh,
there we go. So the third doctor that helped Roy sat alongside Joan and
pointed out that although Roy's condition had been bad, the girl's condition would be
much worse, just like trying to prepare her for what she was about to
see. So let's pause on the rescue of Julie for a hot second.
I mean they've been passing the entire time, so Wowause, I haven't actually
done anything yet, because the entire fucking hell kid out. They still haven't
done anything to help them. They're on their way. Why are you so
mad because they could have done something already. They can hear her. She's
so close. They're flying in a helicopter. She's right there. Let's go.
So Unfortunately, Julie and Roy were not the only ones attacked on August
twelfth, nineteen sixty seven. Motherfucker, let's get back to Denise Huckle,
her puppy, Squirt, and the motherfucker out on Lake Trout. If we
killed Squirt right now, I'm going to blow a gasket. Okay, ticked
down my apartment. Denis awoke around two or three am to splashing in the
shallows. Squirts stood up, appeered in that direction and growled, which was
the first sound he had ever made with them. Denise quickly grabbed him and
shoved him into her sleeping bag. Even in the dim light, Denise could
make out the shape of a bear. She heard it wander off in the
direction of their first camp, so she awoke the others. The nosec brothers,
Ray and Ron quickly got up and began to rebuild the fire that had
burnt out. They had a bag of cookies that they'd all been snacking on,
so they set it nearby on a log and then returned to their sleeping
bags. What did you just put on your heads? Don't worry about it.
Okay. Within minutes, the bear returned to their sight and snatched the
bag of cookies and then disappeared. Okay, Although they were all in their
sleeping bags, they were not sleeping. No fucked. Oh no. It
was around three am, and they all knew that the sun wouldn't start to
creep up until like five or six. Simultaneously, they heard splashing in the
water near their camp, as Denise had heard earlier, and from above the
camp they heard a woofing sound. By four am, the noises stopped,
and all the campers had fallen asleep again, their heads tucked into their bags,
except for Denise. She lied awake comforting Squirt. She was also concerned
that she, she and Michelle Coons would smell like Squirt the most because they'd
been handling him the most, and didn't know if this would make them more
of a target. At four thirty am, the fire began to die down
again, and Denise heard another splash. She saw a bear in the water,
now running towards the center of their camp. The bear was only a
few feet away from her when she pulled her sleeping bag over her head fully
and Squirt began to squeal, and next she heard a tearing noise like the
bear was ripping into canvas, and then silence, and then the low grunting
and breathing of the bear. She held Squirt and they both trembled as the
bear sniffed at their sleeping bag. And at this point, like everyone had
their bags pulled over their heads, so like like you're hiding from a monster,
like when you're a kid. Paul woke up at this time and saw
the bear standing next to him over Denise. He slithered under his bag further
and tried to stay as still as possible. He had been unable to zip
up his bag earlier in the night, so it was just resting on top
of him like a blanket, so all he could do was lie there silently
as the sniffing noises from the bear got closer, and then there was a
crunch in his sleeping bag and the bear grabbed his sweatshirt. Instinctively, Paul
threw off the sleeping bag, got to his feet and bumped into the bear.
As he did, the bear reared up on its hind feet and Paul
took this chance to leap over the fire and climb up the nearest tree within
seconds. The tree he chose did not have any lower branches, so he
shimmeied his way up it and pore up his skin all along the way.
It's a Scooby Doo cartoon. Yeah, literally, that's why I think of
like, just your legs going so fast, they're just like, ye oh,
what the fuck. He reached the top of the tree and looked down
to see the bear circling it. Meanwhile, Ron decided this was a good
opportunity for him and Denise to also get the hell up a tree. We
have to get out of here, he said to her, and Denise said
that she couldn't because she had to get the collar off the squirt, which
is exactly what I would have said. No, yeah, that's fair again
leaving that baby. He's a sixth member of this group. So Ron told
Denise to run, and when she didn't move, he pulled her out and
pushed her towards the tree line, which is exactly what you would do to
me if I was in this situation. Probably, yeah, then you'd hate
me forever. Yes, I would. They began running towards their original camp
that had been raided the night before. Paul, from his place in the
tree, was screaming at Michelle and Ray Ray, the older of the Noseck
brothers, to get out of their bags. The bear had been startled by
the sudden movement of Denise and Ron in their packs, and briefly took off
from the woods. Denise and Ron got far enough away that they felt like
they could stop to take a breath, and Squirt came running up after them.
A yeah, so don't worry, squirt. Ron Ron boosted Denise into
a tree and threw Squirt up to her, and then got up his own
tree. Squirt A safe, guys, Spoiler threw Squirt up to her,
then got up his own tree. Out of side of the camp. They
began yelling to the other two as well. Paul, however, could not
see, but could hear the next events unfold before him. Then Grizzly headed
over to Ray and began sniffing his bag. It momentarily turned to Michelle's bag,
and Ray leaped up and took off towards the direction of his brother and
Denise. All the while the others continued to yell at Michelle to get out
of her bag, but the bear sunk its teeth into the side of her
bag and Michelle began to scream. It slashed at her bag with its claws,
and Michelle cried out, he's ripping my arm. Michelle, get out
of your bag and climbed a tree. Paul yelled, I can't. Michelle
responded, he's got the zipper. Next, Michelle yelled, he's got my
arm. My arm is gone. Oh my god, I'm dead. Paul
then watched helplessly from a tree as the bear lifted Michelle in her sleeping bag
and walked off up the hillside into the dark. Paul continued to hear bones
crunch all along the way. Paul yelled to the others that Michelle was being
dragged up the hill and then yelled dead, She's dead. Assuming the bear
was far enough up the trail and occupied with Michelle, Paul descended from the
tree, took the time to throw on some pants, and took off in
the direction of the others. He climbed a tree nearby, and all they
could do was wait for an hour and a half until the sun rose.
Ron assisted Denise and Squirt while Paul and Ray went back to the camp to
grab some of their stuff in the direction sheld been taken. The two boys
were sure they could hear the sounds of bones crunching still, so the group
got their shoes on and took off. Two hours and four miles later,
up two thousand feet of hill, the group of four or five if you
include Squirt thank you, appeared on the road that ran along the Going to
the Sun road along the northern edge of Lake McDonald's. A fisherman and his
wife were about to hike in but saw the group emerge, and they all
piled into the couple's car and went to the closest ranger station to tell them
what had happened. So now let's get back to the rescue of Julie.
The rescue mission for Julie, led by Gary Bunny, began at two forty
five, which is about two hours after the initial attack. This time,
Gary had a miner's lamp attached to his head and a three hundred Winchester magnum
fuck Yeah. Accompanying him was Steve Pierre and his friend Reverend Thomas Connolly,
Asshole innkeeper Tom Robert Klein, doctor Lyndon Don and seven or eight others,
and don if you remember, was the one that Roy found in his sleeping
bag and was like help and he's with the clients. Just to keep it
all straight. I know there's a lot of names in people here. So
after coming upon some fresh bear scat in the road, Gary told the group
that if the bear was to appear, they all needed to shine their lights
at it so he could shoot it, and that they'd only have one shot.
They continued on until they reached the trail cabin. Although they had a
general idea of where the attack happened, they actually didn't know what direction she'd
been pulled in, and Steve said that it was unlikely the bear dragged her
more than one hundred yards from where she was attacked, so the best plan
was to head to the campground then fan out from there. Gary led the
group to the campground, where they found Roy and Julie's sleeping bags. Their
belongings were scattered, and there was a small trail of blood leading to the
trail cabin, presumably from Roy had a downhill. There was a pool of
blood in some trampled down plants, so Steve and Gary agreed that that was
the best direction. To start looking in the group spread out down the mountain,
and they called out for Julie simultaneously, trying to spread out enough to
be effective, but stay close enough together so that no one was alone.
Steve called out that he had found a trail of blood, so the group
headed in that direction, finding a bloodied purse along the way with nothing in
it but a dollar bill. Steve went faster tracking the blood, and many
times Gary had to tell him to slow down and get behind the gun,
but eventually the trail disappeared. The group spread out again. They were now
a couple hundred feet from the campground. The line of rescuers continued on another
twenty yards or so. When they heard something. Gary asked everyone to quiet
down and a head into the left. They heard a small cry for help,
and as one mind, the group took off quickly in that direction.
So she's alive, is she? We don't know it's her, Yes,
it's the bear trying to trick him tricks. Gary, Bunny, innkeeper Tom
and Steve were the first to reach Julie. Gary she was on her face
and not clothed. The men were shocked that she was alive because she was
covered in blood and her body was torn apart. She's a badass, so
fucked. Oh yeah, Doctor Lynden dropped next to her, and she opened
her mouth just enough to say it hurts. Some of the men ran back
to the trail cabin to make the same makeshift stretcher that they'd made for Roy,
using that stuff that was attached to the wall. Meanwhile, doctor Lyndon
assessed Julie miraculously. She had used her shirt to make a pillow for her
head baller. Her jeans were torn all over and her hair was matted to
her head with blood. There was nothing but bone between her hand and elbow
and her right arm, and there were major puncture wounds in her abdomen,
presumably from where the bear had carried her, that were making a sucking sound
because one of her lungs had collapsed her. Her face and neck muscles were
clearly working very hard to try to make up for the lost oxygen from the
collaps lung. Doctor Lindon put compresses on the holes in her abdomen and bandaged
them tightly. He began to turn her over and Julie dis repeated cold cold,
so he took off his shirt and covered her and the other men began
stripping as well, and soon Julie was buried underneath many layers of clothing.
As they carried Julie up, she asked Don to hold her hand because she
was scared, so he did. Doctor Lindon told everyone to try to keep
quiet and keep Julie quiet, so Father Thomas Connolly kept telling her that God
was watching over her and would help her, and she said, I know
he will. Back at the chalet, Joan was preparing the main room to
be a makeshift operating room. They cleaned the room as best they could,
and Joan had tore each medical supply bag apart because she was like, there's
no way they would supply these bags and not have everything that we would need
in them, Like they're smarter than that. So of course, in tearing
all the bags apart, she did find the missing interview, his needle,
and some morphine. At three thirty am, someone on the balcony said a
loud group was headed back up the trail. Joan ran to wake doctor Lepinsky,
who had tried to sneak in some sleep before Julie's arrival. Joan asked
some onlookers to leave and that she'd update them as she could. Some left
in some state. As soon as Julie was put on her makeshift operating table,
she was given morphine. But it was not long before doctor Lepinsky realized
the holes in her abdomen were too drastic to be sealed correctly even if they
were in a real hospital. The wounds were an inch and a half wide.
Fuck. He could see that the muscles on the side of her neck
and around her ribs were standing out desperately trying to get oxygen. All the
while the sucking sounds continued, indicating to him that despite his best effort,
air was still leaking from her body. Doctor Lepinsky looked at her face,
which was the least damage part of her body. He then looked to the
others around him, and the rest of his makeshift medical team had busied themselves
splinting her arm redoing her bandages. He raised a hand of the younger doctor
who had stepped up at the end to not try so hard to redo her
dressings. He was operating under the triage system. In the concept of skillful
neglect, if you couldn't do much to improve a medical situation, sometimes it
was best to do nothing. As the minutes ticked by doctor Lepinsky came to
the sobering reality that is unlikely Julie would survive. Despite the wounds in her
abdomen the obvious arm wound, he had underestimated the wounds on her leg.
There were large sections that had been completely chewed away. Lepinsky told his daughter
to rease to hold the flash like close to Julie's ankle so we could try
to find a vein. But no matter how much he dug, he only
found white flesh. She had lost too much blood and her veins had collapsed.
He found an intact vein in her wrist and put it in an ivy
for blood. Anyways, Reverend Tom Connolly took station at the end of the
table that Julie was on. He began whispering prayers, and Lepinsky noticed that
Julie began to respond, the doctors are doing everything that can be done to
take care of you, and you know that God will watch over you and
take care of you too. Julie responded with yes, I know he will.
Thomas looked at doctor Lepinsky, and doctor Lipinski shook his head, indicating
that Julie would not make it. Thomas then asked Anne to go get some
water, and she obliged. You know God loves you, don't you,
Thomas said, But at this point Julie could no longer respond. He grabbed
her hand and asked again if she knew that God loved her. She squeezed
his hands slightly. He asked if she'd been baptized, and when she didn't
respond, he said he was going to baptize her conditionally. He told her
that he was going to trace the sign of a cross in her forehead and
if she had not been baptized before, this would serve as one. Thomas
baptized Julie as the doctors watched. When he was giving the Lord's Prayer.
To everyone's shock, it seemed that she was melting the words along with Thomas.
She then began breathing really loudly and hiccuped a few times. Then she
fell silent at the end of the prayer. It was four to twelve am
on Sunday, August thirteenth when Julie passed away. This marked the first fatale
in the park since opening fifty seven years before. Let's get back to Michelle's
group. Ranger Leonard Landa was the one the ranger station that Michelle's group ran
to. He had been up most of the night with his wife listening to
the radio overhearing the events of the granted Park chalet. So the group rushed
in, all screaming different things but the same, and it took him a
bit to realize that what they were reporting was a separate bear attack from the
one at the chalet. After ascertaining their story, Ranger Landa radioed headquarters about
the situation, to which they said another girl. So Landa took off with
a loaded rifle, accompanied by Paul and ron So. Denise and the other
guy left with squirt yep So in the rush, they had forgotten the first
aid kit again, so a quarter mile in Paul was sent back to the
truck to get it, and seemingly a few minutes later he was back.
A man on horseback, Andy Sampson, who frequented the park to fish,
also caught up with them and asked what was happening. So Leonard Landa told
him that they had bear problems and ordered the man to stay behind them and
fear he may get there first and spook the bear. There were a few
times that ranger Landa had to block Andy's path, assuming that Andy was trying
to get to his fishing spot uninterrupted. It was around ten am when they
reached the first camp, the one that they had been at first but was
ruined, and then they moved that second camp. John Westover, the pilot
that had helped in the first attack, was almost immediately called upon again as
soon as he got to his bunk that night because there was a second attack
at Trout Lake, so he went off with an armed ranger again. Bert
Gildart, who was Leonard Landa's friend, had been told by higher ups to
follow the group, and he basically ran all the way there, arriving fifteen
to twenty minutes after the initial group arrived at the campsite. So they gathered
up and followed a blood trail up a dark slope, with Leonard Landa in
the lead. He stopped when he saw a flash of white and instinctively leaned
down to grab it, just to find that it was a severed ear with
no blood or ragged edges. Damn. Yeah. So they followed this trail
of basically like torn up things from like Michelle's sleeping bag and like other articles
of clothing and whatnot, and Leonard Landa was the first to reach Michelle Coon's
and was shocked. She was on her back, completely unrecognizable. Her stomach
and abdomen were gone, and the hair in her head was gone as well.
And the documentary has her parents in it, and her parents talk about
what it was like to receive the phone call that their daughter had died,
and the dad like, the first thing he asked was was anyone else hurt
in the group, And they said, like, another boy was like hit
by the bear, but no, but another girl died on that night,
a completely separate event. Yeah, yep, what the fuck man? Yeah.
Before any of these attacks happened, the park rangers had set out a
few traps for the bears that were causing problems, but initially had no luck,
and for a month there had been an order to shoot any bear on
site that was like you know, getting close to people. Yeah. Before
the attacks, however, most rangers felt that that order was a formality and
that it wouldn't be carried out, mostly because some senior rangers told them to
quote wait and see. So clearly they waited and they saw this is so
fucking insane. From the beginning to the end, like yeah, And I'm
gonna breeze over this part because it fucking sucks. And this is the part
that when you and I had talked about covering the story, I said there
was one thing that happened that made me not want to talk about this or
think about it ever. So this is the part I'm gonna blow over it.
I'm not even gonna say the thing that bothered me the most, So
we're gonna just blow it through it, okay. The day after the attacks,
August thirteenth, arm rangers were sent to the chalet and were ordered to
bait and shoot any bear that emerged. Two adult bears were shot that night.
On the second night, Asa with two cubs appeared. She'd frequented the
area all summer, and once again I won't go into detail, and all
say is that her cubs died a slow and painful death. The soao obviously
was also shot, and they determined that she had an injured poppad that must
have left her in constant pain. But it was never determined if this soo
had any part to play in the death of Julie, or if the other
adults had any part to play. So they have no idea. No,
I mean, like, obviously it was one of these bears. They just
have no idea which one is it? Obviously one of those bears, though,
like bears move around a decent amount. Yep, As I'm sure many
of us assumed, the problem female bear that rated Kelly's camp all summer long
and was habituated to people was the bear that killed Michelle. Also, this
was the same bear that went after the girls kept group. So these are
two different bears on the same I honestly kind of thought that this bear was
to call an ass. No, these were two different bears killing people on
the same night, like around the same time. I got, like,
you're kind of in the same area too, Like eight miles is a lot,
but like a bear can cover that in a couple hours. Well,
remember I said it was over like a nine thousand foot mountain. That's something
for us. But come on, bears are fucking badass, then they can
jump over that, not within like the span of an hour or two.
You're right, You're right. Yeah, So it was two separate bears.
So Bert Gildart and Leonard Landa were tasked with finding and killing the bear that
killed Michelle. Once Michelle's body had been taken out Landa and Gildart cleared the
area and closed off the trail. They baited a campground in the shoreline of
Trout Lake and waited a few hours, but the bear did not show,
so they had a two miles upstream to a shelter cabin, and on their
way they spotted fresh bear tracks and scat. They were relieved when they got
to the shelter and thought, oh, thank god, we're finally safe,
but the next morning the bear found them. Bert stepped outside after he woke
up to see the bear forty feet away, standing on its hind legs staring
at him, and then she dropped back down on all fours, and he
quickly called to Leonard to bring the guns. The bear moved towards them,
and when she reared up again, they both fired. Within a few hours,
an FBI agent and the park biologists were flown to the site where they
neicrops ate the bear that killed Michelle, and inside the bear was a ball
of blonde hair fuck. The biologists also found that there was a glass embedded
in the bear's molars, which was a clear indication that she was also living
in Constant Pine. That's the one that ate the jar foney or jam.
Yeah, yep, exactly. Fuck So this is the end the grizzly So
I just want to take a second and go over like what happened after this
because of these attacks. So after this, grizzlies were hunted and killed for
the next ten years pretty aggressively, and it looked pretty bleak for the species
as a whole, like we were not sure they were gonna survive this.
But in nineteen seventy three, the Endangered Species Act was enacted, which likely
saved the species as a whole by protecting their habit and limiting the hunting that
happened to them. I feel like this whole event probably had a really negative
effect on like the reputation of grizzly bears in Montana too, because like,
yeah, they had never attacked anyone in the park, Like people probably thought
they're cool and we're concerned about them, of course, but still to this
day, like there are farmers and like grantors that will just shoot bears on
site for more than just protecting their catalog, just because they hate bears,
like they are inherently like many social problems in this world. They just learned
to hate bears as a child and they stick with that forever. Yeah.
I know we have different opinions on this story, so I don't want to
go off too too much, but I don't think we do. I'm very
annoyed no one did anything to help anybody in this like those two girls died
and no one did anything to help them. My frustration comes from, once
again, I said, the beginning, they didn't know then what we know
now, So it's hard to say something should have been done because back then
they didn't want to kill grizzlies because that's what brought people to the parks,
and they were like, no, things need to be safe. Yeah,
I understand all those this year where people didn't know how quickly or like how
intensely bears can get ebituated. Okay, that makes sense. But when your
girlfriend or like you hear some screaming out in the forest, like someone is
taken away, and then no one does anything and the girl was found after
two hours and she dies on the operating table, Like if you found her
after twenty minutes, she might live. See that's the thing. I don't
know. It's not that hard to just go attempt to do something. They
did nothing for so long. I don't know if Julie would have lived anyways,
I don't know either. I don't just because the wounds, like the
doctor said, they were so big that it was I mean even a hospital
when of course, but like she was able to survive out in the forest
for two hours with h stuff going on, you get her a doctor,
Like how much long could you live for? Like how how many other people
can get there to help them? Or can they get her somewhere else that
get help, Like yeah, I understand she might have still passed away,
But again, no one did anything for two hours, and they could hear
her. They didn't have to find her, they knew where she go.
Get her. The whole thing sucked. So Jack Olsen, like I said,
die in two thousand and two, but lived to see the Endangered Species
Act enacted because after this, like he was a proponent of we should not
just kill these animals, Like we fucked up as a species. This could
have been prevented kind of thing. Joan Devereux was given an award to honor
her courage and leadership that night. Because there's a lot of stuff I left
out but Joan fucking killed it. She literally made a landing pad for the
helicopter. She organized like the whole operating room. She if you read the
book or watch the documentary, like, she was a big leader in this
and helped to calm a lot of people down. So she got an award
for that. Each year, Reverend Thomas Connolly returns to the area to pray
for the wildlife and for the women that were lost on that night. And
nineteen years to the day after her sister's death, Michelle's sister gave birth to
a baby girl named Courtney Michelle. Nineteen sixty seven, there were only around
two hundred grizzlies left in and around Glacier and now in Montana as a whole,
they were close to two thousand. So in that park they were only
two hundred fucking bears, and two of them just happened to eat people on
the same day. Yep, that's some pretty bad fucking odds. No one
knows obviously, well, I mean, obviously habituation of people caused this,
but some people and all two hundred those fucking bears probabituated, like yeah,
God, and some people were theorizing that like the crazy lightning storm and the
fires that were happening, and the fact that these bears were starving contributed a
lot to this, so it was like a perfect storm. Yeah, and
you did mention that one of the bears was pretty thin, so yeah,
the trail leag bear yeap. Yeah, So yeah, I'm sure all those
things are definitely adding up, but so so many things went wrong in this.
Yeah, I did want to mention a few things. So the documentary,
if you guys want to watch it, I'll link to it in the
description, of course. But in it you meet Reverend Thomas Connolly, Rey
Ducat, Michelle Kuhn's pa, and her brother and sister, Leonard Landa,
Paul Dunn, Joan Devereaux, Don Gullet, Steve Pierre, the helicopter pilot,
Gary Bunny. Like, there's a ton of survivors in that documentary,
so that's great. Also, the documentary reveals that Michelle Kons and her group
had asked Roy and Julie to join them at Trout Lake, but obviously Roy
and Julie opted for a different area. So they were almost all together because
they were all friends, because they all worked together, and even more crazy,
Julie and Roy had also asked Paul Dunne to go with them, but
Paul chose to go with Michelle's group instead. Oh boy, Paul was like,
no matter what I had done that night, like I was, Yeah,
he was like, I was meant to experience whatever this was, Like,
it's crazy. I get chill. I'm still getting chills talking about it.
So yeah, highly worth the watch. The book is worth the read,
slash listen if that's what you do. But yeah, that's it,
that's the Grizzly Night. I'm still very mad at these people. This is
such a fucked up story, isn't it crazy? It's so it's so fucked
up, Like how many years did they fuck up this National Park to the
point where the bears are literally just going and snatching people? Yeah, I
mean they were literally fed right, like that garbage was put out for the
bears. Like, I know, we're still bad, but like not that
bad anymore, hopefully. I like you think I spent a lot of time
yo, seventy, which is really bad for this kind of stuff with bear
habituation. Not grizzlies of course, but still, yeah, this is insane.
Yep, that's it, folks. Pretty sick summer though, was it
Like, no, it was bad. The whole thing was bad. And
uh, of course in the end, the Grizzlies got super fucked, super
fucked, which they always do. Yeah, speaking of I would like to
give a short update, which I don't think I've talked to you about because
I don't how closely do you watch our Facebook page? I don't go exactly,
so my mom sent me article. Thanks Patty. So do you remember
the polar bear story that we covered about the boy that was killed in uh
Norway? Yes, a woman like within the past few months, was just
attacked in the same area and they went out and killed the polar bear.
And apparently it's launching a debate because some people want us to kill all the
polar bears that come close to people instead of the government not stopping people from
fucking camping where polar bears are starving and will eat people. That is like
the ultimate first worldlike, yeah, we own everything yep. Wow. Oh
super frustrating. Yeah, that's really dumb. Like how when you say like
it's getting like steam, Like, how many people actually think about this?
Like thousands of millions? Check out the article. Bruh, that's insane.
Yeah, you have to do some reading. But yeah, I mean when
you watch the documentary, there's a wild life biologist on there who talks about
the fact that, like, and we've talked about it so many times,
especially in the Coyote episode, like we as white people, came to North
America with the mindset of like medieval times and like living in fucking Europe and
killing everything there. So we just came here and did the same thing and
continue to do the same thing. And it's so frustrating that we keep doing
this and keep fucking up. It's twenty twenty two and we're still arguing about
if we should shoot wolves, you know. Yeah, don't get me wrong,
I'm a biologist. I completely understand the need to kill some individuals and
like population management is a thing, but why are we allowing people to like
fucking bait animals and ah it, it gets me very upset. I love
the predators so much, and they're so controversial and some people just hate them
so much for like super selfish reasons, and it's very frustrating. No,
I totally agree. Yeah, I don't know, Like there's so much so
many things you say, like you like you're saying like no, we don't
want anyone to kill predators, but like, yes, if they are invading
someone's cattle, like we understand that has to die, or someone's if it's
getting too habituated humans in a scared a memore, yes, that's to die.
So it's so hard to who's making that decision as to yep, this
animal has been to habituated, this animal has taken too many casts from a
former Like whose choice is it to pull the trigger? You know, it's
just the dude who who's holding the gun, because that's that's dangerous. Yeah,
And in New Hampshire, it's very frustrating. I've talked about it multiple
times. But there's this law RSA two seven twenty six that's sign that petition.
By the way, thank you very much. I have a petition for
that. Governors knew new. I'm fucking come for you, bitch. So
that law states that like you can shoot any animal that's doing damage to your
property, like active damage, like you have to catch them doing it.
But it's so vague. Yeah, what does damage mean? Exactly? That
means if a black bear is in your backyard scaring your dogs, you can
kill it and conservation officers won't do a damn thing about it. It's so
so frustrating, especially as a biologist in this state who used to try to
help the black bears all the time and who had to go see a pit
of dead fucking black bears. It sucks so bad. And like they're black
bears. I understand black bears do kill people and can No one in New
Hampshire has been killed by a black bear since the seventeen hundreds. No,
it's all fear and like property damage based ignorance, ignorance and selfishness. Yeah,
it's uh, it's very frustrating, and that's how we make this podcast.
I would like to say I'm not against black bear hunting or anything like
I'll probably be going this year, but I feel like there's a significant difference
between regulated hunting and just killing things because it's walking it backyard, which is
the story we talked about not too long ago. Yeah. Yeah, because
if you follow the Kilum Bear Center, which I post on our Instagram,
get at a live pod all the time because it's just an endless source of
little baby black bears wandering around. It's great, big though they are,
they constantly get orphaned from people who just like shoot bears because they're like,
oh, I thought they were gonna attack my dogs. It's like, statistically,
no, they're not going to their bfb's big fat babies. Please stop
killing just so quickly, like it was scary your dogs who had time to
go get a gun, or you were waiting with a gun. There's a
lot of steps between there that could happen exactly. I know they have a
lot of shit to do, but let's start cracking down on people writing citations
for when people shoot animals for no goddamn reason other than scaring my dog drops.
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