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You're listening to kf I am sixty
on demand. Joanne, Thank you for

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being patient and welcome to the Jesus
Christ Show. Hi Jesus. My question

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has to do with being a fairly
new believer. I have a lot of

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background and spirituality and other different walks
of life, but being middle aged and

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becoming a born again Christian at a
later age, I have a lot of

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pull to want to go back to, you know, things of the flesh

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and the world and things like that, and it's hard and I I just

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sort of sometimes want to throw my
hands in the air and just say,

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Okay, this is too hard for
me. I'm I can't do this.

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So what are your suggestions for someone
being a newer believer that's being drawn back

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to the other ways of the older
life. Well, first, I'm very

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proud of you for even bringing it
up and recognizing it, because there's a

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lot of people that don't, or
there's a lot of people that pollute their

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faith with the luggage from other belief
systems or other things that they did or

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past lifestyles, whatever it was,
or maybe and they just pollute it and

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kind of ignore it. So I'm
proud of you that you're even acknowledging it,

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and that you're brave enough to even
say, Hey, this is what

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I think is going on, and
I'm fearful of it. The process is

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the same as anything else. I
mean, Paul said it himself, and

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this is somebody who had, you
know, a later conversion by some standards,

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said the spirit is willing, but
the flesh is weak. There is

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always going to be the pull of
other things, always, whether it's other

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belief systems or just stuff, you
know, the phone ringing things to do.

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There's always going to be distractions in
life if they keep you from anything

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and everything. And the best way
to do it is to build patterns and

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habits like anything else. You that's
what you did over those years. And

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other belief systems, other processes,
you spend time in them, and that's

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what makes it difficult. That's why
you hearken back to that, because you

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yield to that which is easier,
that which is known, versus that which

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is new and more difficult. And
so you need to build new new practices

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and that is that build regiments for
now, and whether it's reading scripture,

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going to Bible studies, going to
church, hanging out and fellowshiping with other

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believers, both young and old,
in different stages of their walk, you

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know, signing up for the New
Believers class at your church, doing things

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that are going to build good habits
and new habits. And the more you

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learn, the more those old habits
will fall away, the more you build

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new ones and establish that relationship like
anything else. I mean, you know,

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you've been through breakups, Joanne,
and and you can be with the

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greatest new guy and you're still going, oh, but that other person used

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to do this, or you know
that that just happens. That's part of

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the process. And you learn to
see the newness of the situation for the

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glory that it is and for the
freshness that it is, and those that

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you know, Scripture says that the
the new person is created, and the

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old self would die and fall away. And but that's a process too,

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right, And I am doing all
the things you just suggested, all right,

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with Bible studying classes and you know, other fellowship and things like that,

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And I am I am doing that. It's just that I get sometimes

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to a point where I get either
exhausted, exasperated, or just tired.

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Sure you're learning something new, it's
much easier to go back to the old

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ways. Always always it's just not
better. So I should just stay on

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what I'm doing and no other suggestions. I wish I had a magic wand

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for you, but I think this
is this is what makes it worthwhile.

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And a lot of people say,
well, gosh, what about this?

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One? About that? But really
the common sense and the practical are God

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given and the solutions to these things. It's like saying, well, I

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want patience. You know how you
get patients having to be patient, you

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know, and you know how you
build you don't you know, be careful

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when you ask God for humility.
By the way, a lot of people

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forget that it comes with humiliation often, right. So it's these things that

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you want and that are going to
be part of your character, that you

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want to be part of your character, I have to come with time.

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It's the it's the forging process.
Like with steel, if if you try

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and go for that, when you
heat up a metal and it gets that

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red hot appearance and they take those
hammer and tongs they start beating it into

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a shape that there's a cooling down
process or a curing process that they use,

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and if they cure it quick.
In cold water, the metal becomes

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fragile and brittle and can break easy. The whole purpose of forging and to

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strengthen the metal and strengthen the new
shape is to slowly cool it down so

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that as it slowly cools down,
it becomes stronger and more dense. So

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when you want something in life,
if it's important enough, you want to

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go through the process. You want
to take the time. If you rush

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through the process of something important,
often it becomes kind of a faux version.

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It's brittle, it's fragile, it's
thin. It may look the same

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on the outside, but really it
doesn't have the same sturdy structure soundness to

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it. So what ends up happening
is, Joanne, you leave today and

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you try and do it quick,
then I'm going to get a call back

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from you in a month or two
going, oh, it broke down and

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this and that. But if you
slowly baby steps a little bit of increments

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to build that structure within you and
trust that God says in scripture that he

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is the author and finisher of your
faith. So although you participate in that,

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God is doing a work inside you, and I'm trying to build those

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things and build that structure inside you
so that you are strong and can withstand

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great things rather than just on the
outside. Look, well, she looks

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like a Christian, smells like a
Christian, sounds like a Christian. Well,

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everything should be good, but no, I want it to be a

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real, honest to goodness change inside
you and that just comes with time.

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Honey, that's just very good process. Thank you so much. You're welcome

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and you are on the right path. I'm very proud of her. There

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is a lot of luggage out there
as you are on your quest, and

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people tend to bring it with them. You know. It's like talking to

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some friends of mine and they're moving
and not just moving, you know,

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from a house to another house.
They're moving out of state and the process

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that goes with that. And it's
interesting to hear them talk about. You

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know, one of them's more sentimental
and you know, holds onto a lot

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of things throughout life, and the
other is much more pragmatic and practical.

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Well, if you haven't seen it
in a year, then you don't need

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it. And to go through that
cleansing process of removing certain things from your

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life to move into a new area
or just you know, start fresh,

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and those types of that's very difficult. It's very difficult with with the physical,

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with the you know, the tangible
and the things in your garage,

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let alone when you spiritually and a
lot of you know, Christians and you

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you can't be you can't fall into
this when you're sharing your faith that you

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act like it's not a big deal
for somebody to jump in. Okay,

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come into my pool. I know
you've been in that pool forever or you've

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been in that belief system, but
come over here. And sometimes Christians do

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it as if it's a notch on
your belt, and it's like, oh,

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well, they said the words were
good, everybody's good, and they're

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done all right, moving on next, next, And do you know Jesus

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Christ as your personal savior? And
meanwhile, this person is going, wow,

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you you picked me up and dumped
me off in this foreign land.

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And I don't recognize anything, and
I'm nervous and scared and sort of excited

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at the same time, and I
don't know what I'm doing. And you

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know, those moves are are huge, and it's not just words, and

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it's not just the bad in an
eye. It's not just those things.

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That make the you know, total
sum of the experience and coming to something

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new and committing yourself to it.
It's a process, and you're going to

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be shedding layers of skin from the
old YU as you adapt and build layers

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of new skin for the new que
And I am proud of anybody who is

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bold and brave enough to go through
that and experience both that physically, but

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emotionally and spiritually as well. Genna, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.

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Hello, Genna, Hi, what's
your question? Thank you for taking my

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fall. It's great to talk to
you. My pleasure. How can I

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help you? I love your show? Thank is Why is Jesus Christ being

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referred to as the God's one and
only son? As I believe that.

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I think it's good that we're all
God's children. Good question. There's there's

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differences in the way it's stated,
and if you notice, there's also you

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know, some capitalization changes when it's
spoken about in scripture referring to when referring

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to me as God's son, versus
referring to the population of Christianity as children

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of God. So you look at
a couple of things. The big difference

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is between the sense in which I
am the son of God, and that

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all people that are Christians are sons
of God. So first you have to

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look at the uniqueness, the difference
of the son of God that would put

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Christ as the son of God,
whereas everyone else is only a son of

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God's small ass. Why because when
you're dealing with Christ's deity and the differences

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between the two, Christ is the
son of God. With this capital ask

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for a reason humans are adopted,
if you will, So Jesus falls under

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the guise of son of God by
eternal right and inheritance. You read about

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that and Colossians one fifteen. Whereas
humans are sons of God by adoption you

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read about that Romans eight fifteen.
So Christ is the son of God because

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he is God in the very nature
of God John one one. So the

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difference is really dealing with the nature
inherently. So you look over at man

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and you say, well, what
about man? Well, man is created

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in the image of God Genesis one
twenty seven, and remade in the image

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of via the redemption in Colossians three
ten. So you can think of it

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this way, I, as Jesus, is of God by his very nature.

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But you are as a human from
God by way of creation. I

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am divine in nature, but humans
only participate in the salvation and not the

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divine nature second Peter one four.
And you can participate only in God's moral

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attributes, you know, like holiness, love, those types of things,

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but you cannot participate in his non
moral attributes like infinity, eternity or any

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of the other you know, larger
aspects dealing with the omni attributes and things

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like that. So there's a difference
between the actualness and of sonship versus in

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this case the adoption sonship. So
there are some differences there, and it's

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usually spelled out in scripture. I
would go back to those verses when critics

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ask. A book by Norman Geisler
has a wonderful breakdown as he has wanted

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to do about this, and shows
that Jesus as the Son of God is

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the natural son, no beginning,
creator, God by nature. Well,

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where as humans as sons of God
are adopted sons have a beginning or a

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creature or not the creator and not
God by nature. So that's what separates

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those two and specifically puts them together. Christian Welcome to the Jesus Christ show.

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Yeah, so I am real quick. My phone might die in the

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middle of this, so just try
and answer whatever I say. But there's

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been an overall theme. I'm a
very faithful person, and I've been so

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since I was little. I'm I'm
a college student, and I find more

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and more in these debates. I'm
unable to back myself up. And I

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say debates because I actively engage people
in and try and show the light and

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show them the truth. And I
get questions such as, like, you

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know our humans God's only focus.
If so, why it's a universe so

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big and so elaborate, and and
I can't answer that. And also being

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good just because God says so in
the Bible? Is that the most noble

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way to be good? And isn't
there a greater humunity that we need to

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live for? And I guess the
overall theme is the Bible being taking more

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figuratively now as opposed to literally.
When I grew up, it was all

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literal, and now it's becoming more
and more figurative, which I think loses

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some of the credibility. And I'm
finding myself questioning my faith. I'm sorry,

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I'm talking so fast my phone is
just really close to dying. And

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I guess one of the biggest things
is, you know, looking at the

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so and so be gat so and
so be gat coming up with the age

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or the Earth and having that fly
in the face of so much scientific research

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whether the Earth is, you know, less than twenty thousand years old or

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more than four billion years old.
I think that's one of the biggest uh

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inconsistencies. And I am I'm finding
myself. But you know that all Christians

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don't believe that there there are there
are old universe creationists. I know,

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I know, I know, And
that's that's part of the reason, is

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that part of my problem is you
know, how figurative can we take the

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Bible? Well, yeah, but
that's that that can be into interpretation.

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You could obviously make an argument that
to try and guess the age of the

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Earth based on on genealogies that may
or may not be complete is a bad

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way to judge the age of the
Earth. So that's that's that's a whole

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different that's separate from everything else,
some of the other concerns that you're bringing

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up. Remember, just because you
don't have the answer doesn't mean there isn't

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an answer, Christian, that's ridiculous, ridiculous, and you got to turn

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your radio down otherwise it's going to
cause problems. Uh. So, so

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don't assume that you don't. There's
a lot of questions you don't have the

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answers too, and it doesn't make
them wrong. There's a lot of trigonometry

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or geometry questions you may not be
able to answer. It doesn't mean that

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those things don't exist. Uh When
it comes to your first question, you

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say the universe is so big,
what was the format that you that you

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voiced that that you know we are
humans God's only focus? Are we his

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only concern in the entire universe?
Knowing that the fact that there is light

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years and light years and light years
of space, yes, that's what scripture

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says. The assumption that that is
somehow out of balance is ridiculous because no

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scientist understands completely what all of those
light years and light years and light years

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of space do for mankind. The
the sheer numbers that it would take to

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try and calculate why life is here
and how it is here are so impossible

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that to make that statement and say
that each of those things don't have a

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purpose or a place hanging in the
balance is ridiculous. That it's like saying

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that that every grain of sand doesn't
have a purpose in the gravitational pull or

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balance of the Earth. It does. Every little bit of the elements of

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the Earth make it different from all
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system. So if that makes the
Earth's special in a way that is hard

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to comprehend, then equally it is
hard to comprehend the specialness of humanity as

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it compares to God. And I
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thing that I couldn't answer, and
that is you know, people say believing

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and I agree that believing that all
of this is random is is so hard

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to believe. But believing that something, somebody out there, or some being

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out there created it all that seems
much more unnatural than a gradual process of

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growth and evolution. I mean,
how how do you how? No,

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no, no, But because you
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evolution. So everyone jumps to that
point and says, oh, well,

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look this just kind of it was
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No, there's no there's no reason
for you to believe that if you put

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a violin in a corner in a
long period of time, that it's going

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to become a cello. They're they're
just because they're similar in nature. You

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wouldn't assume that they came from each
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from similar designs or specificities. But
nothing in science, ever, ever,

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states that the effect is greater than
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it's always the cause is greater than
the effect. Right, Well,

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in evolution, that's backwards because you
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believe in evolution? Well no,
not in not in the evolution that they're

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trying to make you swallow. In
adaptation, absolutely, of course there's adaptation.

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There's adaptation. There's a difference between
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concept of uh, certain types of
evolution, which is why you get theories

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like punctuated equilibrium. And yes,
how old do you think the Earth is?

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Because that's one of my biggest concerns. Well, that's outside of the

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scope of this program, but people
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six thousand years old. But there's
nothing that necessarily says that it's billions of

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years old. Either the reason why
the the the reason why the scientist has

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to argue that concept or that theory
of it being billions of years old is

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because they need that time to be
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where you are now. It wouldn't
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there's no way for them to prove
that, So they're all theories. Now.

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There are many Christians, uh,
I'll direct you to reasons dot Org.

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There are many Christians that believe that
the that the Earth is probably uh,

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you know, fifteen million or more
years old, So it's it's not

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about that. But you can't just
say, well, scientists say this because

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scientists change all the time, and
the theory of evolution is a theory for

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a reason. It is. It
was the theory of relativity, I mean,

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and we assume that to be.
But there's but there's changes in the

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theory of relativity all the time,
and that the the general theory of relativity

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changes, just as Darwinism doesn't exist
anymore. The new theory of evolution is

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not the old theory of Darwinism,
right, and that every five years scientists

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gather to try evolutionists that are scientists
try and gather to come up with,

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well, what do we believe now? Because there isn't a consistency? Is

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there a push on the believers side
of or the believers front and maybe in

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a scientific way to justify all of
our beliefs and create better and more elaborate

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speaking points other than twipping to a
page in the Bible and interpreting that a

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different way or using that to convince
in an unconventional way. Is there.

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It would be silly to use the
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It'd be silly. And there's many
reasons. Dot org would be one of

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them. Doctor Hugh Ross and the
folks over there at Reasons to Believe are

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focused on they're all scientists. He
is an astrophysicist. There are chemists,

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there are biologists. There are all
kinds of GISTs over there that you can

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reference if that happens to be your
your focus or concern. But a lot

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of the things you're throwing out are
unreasonable that people are throwing to you.

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Things you know about evolution and the
pan spermi at the beginning, this primordial

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soup where everyone came from you still
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And they say, well, there
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every every planet in the orb and
everything out there is just a big glob

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of chemicals and something so happened to
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that's what they is. But that
still argues again, now where did that

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stuff come from? Right, something
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have to go back to you know, the theory of relativity, and you

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have to go back to the law
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then and then I say, then, I say, well, all that

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stuff came from God. And then
they say, well where did God come

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from? And then yeah, but
you can't always been there, And they

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say that seems like an easy way
to not answer the question. That it's

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not. It's a reasonable way.
It's a very reasonable way that the creator

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of the universe would have to be
uncreated by definition, because if something created

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the creator, now that creator's creation
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reasonable, isn't it just a paradox? I mean, no, this is

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this is the most skeptically I've ever
questioned my faith, and I good a

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hard time. You're gonna have to. I'm sorry, Christian, You're gonna

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have to hold on as we have
a break. But hold on. I

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know your phone's going out, because
I do want to talk to you more.

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Ah, Christian's phone died and we
were going at mock speed trying to

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get those things out. So I
want to downshift a little bit and go

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over some things because there was a
lot of garbage that was being tossed at

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Christian as he's trying to defend himself. I think it's healthy to question your

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faith. It's it's healthy to question
your belief system. I've said it here

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on the program many times before.
You will not change the mind of a

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devout Atheist, a develop Protestant,
of devout Catholic, devout Mormon, a

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devout anything. You will not change
the mind of anybody that's devout, unless

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they're a devout truth seeker. Those
are the peoples who those are the people

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who seek constantly and want to know
the truth. If you just and it's

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not to say that you don't adhere
to something, you should. You know,

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an open mind has the same qualities
or properties as an open mouth,

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and that is that it should remain
open until something of nutrients falls into it,

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and then you chew and swallow and
digest. So I appreciate that Christian

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was questioning, but some of the
things were just ridiculous. One of the

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questions is it is it good to
or should you be good just because God

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says so? If you're not good
because God says so, you're going to

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be good because someone else says so. I mean by what standard, societal

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standard, individual standards. You know, if you go by society and Nazi

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Germany, a society said it was
okay to kill Jews and Gypsies and blacks

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and gays. So is it society
that says what's good and bad? No.

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The whole purpose, the whole thing
about good and bad, and the

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fact that you know inherently that Hitler
was evil no matter who you are,

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no matter what your belief system is, is because there is something written on

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your heart by your creator that tells
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every society. It's wrong to steal, it's wrong to rape, it's wrong

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to murder in every society. And
these things come from somewhere outside. That's

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another thing. The understanding of God's
existence. Everything in this universe is contingent

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upon something else. It's pointing to
something else to show its existence. The

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tree to the acorn, to the
tree to the acorn, You to your

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parents, to their parents, so
on. So it's reasonable to say that

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the universe has to point outside itself
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And another thing is is that Christians
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the special theory of evolution. You
know that there's great change, it can

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be possible within fixed kinds. It's
the general theory of evolution where there's a

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problem. The amba to human being. There is too many questions that are

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left unanswered by that theory. Do
not buy the hype and people get insecure

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and they don't want to defend themselves
because they feel stupid, don't Daryl,

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Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Hi, Jesus, I have a question

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for you regarding being filled with the
spirit and being baptized in the Holy Spirit,

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and hoping you can give me some
insight into your word. Okay,

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My understanding is in when I believe
and receive you, that I then also

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receive your spirit and am filled with
the Holy Spirit. But I have those

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that have been telling me lately that
there's a difference between being filled with the

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spirit and being baptized in the Holy
Spirit. And they are you using as

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the criteria which I struggle with,
that you're not baptizing the Holy Spirit unless

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you speak in tongues. And I
know that tongues is a gift from you

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and not necessarily requirement for my salvation. But is it true that to be

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baptized in the spirit, I mean
maybe that's part of the question. Is

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there a difference between being filled with
your spirit and baptized with the Holy Spirit?

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Let me let me ask you also, do they talk about the laying

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on of hands? Yes, they
do, okay that and they use obviously

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people mandate to lay hands on to
receive, okay, and where you know

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where they lay hands on people and
then they immediately received the spirit. And

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then they use the example of Paul
who people I think it was Annonias who

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said that they didn't they had received
Christ, but they weren't aware of the

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Holy Spirit, and then he laid
hands on them and they received it.

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This can become a very heated debate
in Christianity and different there are different factions

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as to believers, and some people
get very wrapped up in the Holy Spirit

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saying no, you've got to do
this, and it's you've got to speak

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in tongues, and you've got to
do all these things not true that it's

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not what scripture says. A matter
of fact, it says quite the contrary.

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It says that certain people will get
certain gifts and Corinthians it talks about

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there will be those that have the
gift of teaching and those that have the

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gift of prophecy, and there will
be, you know, all kinds of

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different gifts, and not everybody has
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And so I this is can be
a touchy subject with some. I

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will point out that there are some
inconsistencies to their belief and what Scripture says,

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depending on where they stand in the
spectrum of that belief system. But

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for instance, there are times in
scripture where I laid my hands on somebody

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and they were healed, right,
But there's also times where I didn't lay

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hands on them and they were healed. There was even times, if you

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remember the centurion, the servant of
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his servant and he was healed right. So there's also cases where people were

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laid hands on in Acts and they
spoken tongues. But there's also times where

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people weren't didn't have hands laid on
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four through six, also Acts ten
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on the surface of their arguments,
if that's the arguments they're making, there's

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problems. But salvation. Having salvation
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The Holy Spirit is the one that
brings you salvation. You can kind of

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see it this way, Darryl,
is the Holy Spirit brings you to me,

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I bring you to the Father.
So that process, you couldn't even

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get to me. You couldn't even
believe in that in that process unless you

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had the Holy Spirit in your life. Now are there are others that say,

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no, there's this secondary thing,
And I wonder sometimes if people aren't

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adding things to the process to make
them feel more special. I'm not saying

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that in this particular case. I'm
saying that if you look at things like

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tongues, the gift of tongues is
misused. In the majority of churches that

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use it, they don't use it
in the biblical sense, the three different

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types of glossolalia or speaking in tongues, and it's it gets to be like

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a look I'm a have or have
not, or look what extra? How

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much better a Christian I am than
you? That stuff bothers me, But

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check out those scriptures and that will
help you. KF I am six on demand