1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:08,720 Well off of a weekend that has seen Canelo Alvarez successfully defend his undisputed super 2 00:00:08,839 --> 00:00:15,119 middleweight titles yet again against a game but out gone in the end, Heimi 3 00:00:15,199 --> 00:00:19,359 Mungia. We are ready to recap that, the entire fight card and much 4 00:00:19,399 --> 00:00:24,239 more news, some nostalgia involving Floyd Mayweather and Oscar de la Jolla, and 5 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,519 a lot more. Is the Fight Freaks Night recap podcast off the weekend. 6 00:00:27,559 --> 00:00:30,239 Good to be back with you. I'm merely the somewhat competent host TJ. 7 00:00:30,359 --> 00:00:34,560 Reeves. He is our insider Dan Rayphiel, who has been there on location 8 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,560 in Vegas. But wait a minute, not just past tense, dare I 9 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:43,920 say he is still there in Las Vegas, And we're about to explain that. 10 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,359 First of all, proof of life. You are still good. You 11 00:00:48,399 --> 00:00:52,159 are still alive, even though you still reside at the moment in Clark County 12 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,679 and not back at your home in Northern Virginia. You're hanging in there. 13 00:00:55,719 --> 00:00:57,640 You're doing all right. We're gonna explain everything in a moment. You all 14 00:00:57,719 --> 00:01:00,280 right, you go, yeah, I'm having a first real problem. Let's 15 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,079 put it like that. Okay, we're gonna explain that in a couple of 16 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:07,120 moments, thank you for finding us. Make sure you rate us in review 17 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,439 us again a huge audience already to start the month of May, closing out 18 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,519 April with all the Ryan Garcia controversy after his win over Devin Hainey. Now 19 00:01:15,519 --> 00:01:19,120 we had the Canelo preview. I suspect the same thing. 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We'll try not to make it around one of the 29 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:56,040 biggest fight cards, but gotta have a little vaca this summer with the Fams 30 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:57,719 and that kind of thing. We do our best to be with them though 31 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:04,480 on Fridays with Monday Box. Yeah, I would do the pod from Vacation. 32 00:02:04,599 --> 00:02:07,080 Okay, I will tell you the Pod from Vacation, right, But 33 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,400 I'm gonna tell you I once went on a on a Disney cruise with my 34 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:15,159 family years ago and some I forget even what the story was, but and 35 00:02:15,199 --> 00:02:19,560 I have my laptop with me, some big story broke, and I swear 36 00:02:19,599 --> 00:02:22,719 to god, I was we had a beautiful cabin on this boat. And 37 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:30,199 you're writing about the story. But listen, I was sitting on the balcony 38 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,120 on the ship that I had my room at, right, and it was 39 00:02:32,199 --> 00:02:37,159 so sunny and beautiful. I've been overlooking like the Caribbean, and I have 40 00:02:37,319 --> 00:02:40,680 like a towel over my head so I can see my screen on my computer 41 00:02:40,719 --> 00:02:45,479 because otherwise you couldn't see it with the with the sunshine. And I wrote 42 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,840 my story on the on the on the deck of the of our you know 43 00:02:49,879 --> 00:02:53,400 our room is it is? You know what you gotta do, what you 44 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:54,879 gotta do, you do, all right, So let's get into that. 45 00:02:54,879 --> 00:03:00,960 We're gonna talk Canelos win over Hoimi Monkey on the entire PP see fight card 46 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,520 from Vegas. Dan was there until the wee hours of the morning. Again, 47 00:03:04,599 --> 00:03:08,360 we do this Sunday evening and you're still there and that that was not 48 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:14,479 supposed to happen. You did detail on this podcast that you were leaving early 49 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:19,039 Sunday, so you thought and for the first time maybe ever not a NonStop 50 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:24,400 flight, and oh boy, uh you're still You're still there in Vegas. 51 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:30,120 So pick it up from there, because are you operating like still on only 52 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,039 uh Friday night's sleep, because you don't only go to Bay. I mean, 53 00:03:34,039 --> 00:03:37,439 what's the what's the update with this? Because you're still in Clark County, 54 00:03:37,439 --> 00:03:39,319 You're still at the MGM Grand while we're doing this, right. So 55 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,879 I came back to you know, when all the hoopla and everything was done 56 00:03:42,879 --> 00:03:46,080 from the press conference and everything hanging out afterwards, I came back to my 57 00:03:46,199 --> 00:03:47,319 room and I packed up, and I you know, did a little work 58 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,840 and I washed up, and I was like ready to go. What time 59 00:03:50,919 --> 00:03:54,840 is this Pacific time? Probably about two am Pacific time? It was probably 60 00:03:55,039 --> 00:03:59,759 it might have been even slightly later than that. It's not that, you 61 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,280 know, I I tidied up my story. I set up some stuff that 62 00:04:01,319 --> 00:04:05,919 I was going to do coming up in the week point was the like normally, 63 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,840 as I said on the previous one, for all million years, I 64 00:04:09,879 --> 00:04:14,560 take the single NonStop flight on American where I have all my miles, which 65 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,800 goes from Las Vegas to Washington. There's one stop at one NonStop a day, 66 00:04:16,879 --> 00:04:19,959 and likewise one stop, one NonStop a day from DC to Vegas. 67 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:25,199 Could not get that flight for this trip because it was sold out, so 68 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,079 I had to go with the connection. So I picked what I thought the 69 00:04:28,199 --> 00:04:31,839 action was to take this one the more the early morning flight to Philadelphia and 70 00:04:31,879 --> 00:04:34,720 then you know, quick flight from Philly to d C. I don't love 71 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,879 that, but whatever, it seemed better to me than to go to San 72 00:04:38,879 --> 00:04:43,399 Antonio or to Chicago, take the long flight out sleep and then the quick 73 00:04:43,399 --> 00:04:46,079 hop for the one hour to d C. Wasn't going to go to sleep 74 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,079 after the fight because I was like still so wired that which is normal when 75 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:53,040 you're doing these big events. So all right, I'm working on my computer, 76 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,639 I'm doing my thing. I got the TV. Yes. Another big 77 00:04:55,759 --> 00:04:58,920 variable with the early flights is you don't want to miss your early morning flight, 78 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,839 so you're trying to a way do I just stay awake and do I 79 00:05:01,879 --> 00:05:06,199 not risk missing my early morning flight. And by the way, staying awake 80 00:05:06,319 --> 00:05:09,759 not my first roadio. I've been doing this for you know, twenty five 81 00:05:09,759 --> 00:05:13,279 minutes, not not a not a new concept of getting on the plane and 82 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,680 going to sleep. And I, you know, I packed up on my 83 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:17,480 stuff that's been you know, thrown all over my room for the last four 84 00:05:17,519 --> 00:05:20,040 or five days. So I'm sitting there and I get the text. You 85 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,399 know, I got the text alert set up for the airline, and I 86 00:05:23,399 --> 00:05:26,199 got a text alert telling me my you know, some update on the flight. 87 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,720 So I looked at the phone. I seven o'clock or seven oh five 88 00:05:29,759 --> 00:05:31,199 flight. I was gonna go to the airport like you know five, I 89 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,480 was gonna check out like five thirty. You know, five o'clock got to 90 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,959 be you know, boarding it. Generally speaking, the text at three am, 91 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,920 three thirty am Pacific time is not usually a good thing. Not usually 92 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,360 oh usually. I think it was just to tell me, way they're up, 93 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,279 they'll tell you. It was like a reminder when I looked at it, 94 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,160 instead of seven oh five, it's now leaving at nine o'clock. So 95 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,079 on first plance, I was like, that sucks, but okay, whatever 96 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,199 I mean. At least I haven't already gone to the airport. A two 97 00:05:57,199 --> 00:05:59,439 hour delay not the end of the world, US, they'll be home around 98 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,600 like thirty at night whatever. And then I actually looked at it again. 99 00:06:02,639 --> 00:06:04,680 I was like, oh shit, I'm not on the non stop. So 100 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,480 I looked again, and I realized that that flight leaving at the time that 101 00:06:08,519 --> 00:06:13,040 it did would get me to Philadelphia one hour after my connection would already have 102 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,759 left. So at that point, yeah, problem. I can't like go 103 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,519 back in time, so that was an issue. So I started to look 104 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,399 on the website and try to figure out what I'm going to do, and 105 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,920 it got a little confusing. I actually had a call to talk to somebody, 106 00:06:27,959 --> 00:06:30,399 which was actually easy to get a person because it was so freaking early 107 00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:33,560 in the morning because it's four am Pacific or three thirty am Pacific, and 108 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:39,360 who's working Sunday morning at you know, six am, six thirty am Central 109 00:06:39,959 --> 00:06:44,519 the battle station. So anyway, so not to make it a make the 110 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:49,680 longer story short, but in the end, there was literally no flights from 111 00:06:50,399 --> 00:06:54,240 I got to Philadelphia on that flight, I would have been stuck in filling. 112 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,399 I had to stay over there because there was no other flights that would 113 00:06:57,399 --> 00:07:00,319 go from Philadelphia to Washington other than that flight, and I inquired about every 114 00:07:00,399 --> 00:07:04,319 other flight either the like I said, the Phoenix won the Chicago one. 115 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:10,560 I think there was a Charlotte one. No seats anywhere anywhere NonStop otherwise coach 116 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:15,519 first didn't matter. So the option was I thought about, I'm gonna still 117 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,240 go to Philadelphia and maybe I'll just get on the Amtrak and go back to 118 00:07:19,319 --> 00:07:21,600 DC. But that seemed like a bit of a schleft because you got to 119 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,639 get from the airport to the train. I hadn't looked at the train schedule, 120 00:07:25,879 --> 00:07:29,720 don't I wasn't wearing was gonna then even if I get back to DC. 121 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,600 Instead of being much closer to my house at the Reagan National Airport, 122 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,959 I'm all the way in the district on Capitol Hill at the Union Station. 123 00:07:36,079 --> 00:07:40,160 So that's leaven more of a problem to get home, especially at that time, 124 00:07:40,399 --> 00:07:42,800 you know, in the morning, with the rush hour and everything all 125 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,680 right, So I was like, fuck it. There was still the non 126 00:07:46,759 --> 00:07:50,279 stop on Monday from DC back to Washington, and you can change your flight 127 00:07:50,319 --> 00:07:54,120 with no charge because they're the ones that had the schedule problem. So whatever 128 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,920 the ticket difference was I was gonna have to pay for it, so I 129 00:07:56,959 --> 00:08:01,240 was able to snag I was able to keep my first class seat, snagged 130 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,120 the last seat in first class on the Monday flight NonStop that leaves at twelve 131 00:08:05,079 --> 00:08:09,240 to twenty, and staying in extra day in Vegas. And then when I 132 00:08:09,319 --> 00:08:11,360 spoke to my peeps at the MGM and called up the front desk and said, 133 00:08:11,399 --> 00:08:13,639 hey, I'm still in my room. Here's what happened. My flag 134 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,519 got counceled. Can I extend my stay by one night? Right? So 135 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,519 for the for the low low price of just seventy nine dollars, I got 136 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,000 one more night at the MGM. I like it. And I even when 137 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,600 she started to tell me the price plus like the forty dollars resort fee, 138 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:33,200 which is nonsense, I like threw myself on the mercy of the court because 139 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,919 I was so cranky and so sad about everything that had transpired. I told 140 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,159 her my like in like thirty seconds of my sad story, and they waived 141 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:43,240 my resort fee. Listen. So I got the night for seventy nine bucks 142 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,320 plus tax. So, and that's probably cheaper than what the train ticket would 143 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,879 have cost me to go from Philly to DC anyway, not to mention the 144 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:52,759 cab or the uber to get from the report to the to the trains. 145 00:08:52,879 --> 00:08:58,200 You went back home planes, trains and automobiles at that point trying to scramble. 146 00:08:58,279 --> 00:09:01,159 So the better the discretion, the better part of it is just stay 147 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,320 there, stay where you are. Have an extra day in Las Vegas to 148 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:13,720 soak all all this in recap all of this. Get here's the bonus. 149 00:09:13,799 --> 00:09:16,840 Here's the bonus for the fight fans who read my substack right because I hadn't 150 00:09:16,879 --> 00:09:20,720 done one because there was just no time. Uh, when I was sitting 151 00:09:20,759 --> 00:09:24,240 in my room before we got on the podcast, like an hour ago whatever, 152 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,519 I wrote a story about the in a Way and Neary fight that's going 153 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,360 to be on Monday morning, that's correct, which we're not going to talk 154 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,000 about, which we should. You know again, we should make mention most 155 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,919 of you are hearing this Monday morning and the inn Away fight is already over. 156 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,519 We previewed it on the last podcast. Dan and I are good, 157 00:09:37,879 --> 00:09:41,919 but we don't have any idea what happened in that fight. When it's twelve 158 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,440 hours from now at the time that you and I are doing this on Sunday 159 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,200 night. So read his substacks the bottom line, check his social media. 160 00:09:48,279 --> 00:09:52,559 We both have our opinions, but we'll see what happens. So no, 161 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,720 no, the substack has the preview. I don't know if I'm going to 162 00:09:54,759 --> 00:09:56,679 have time to write the recap. Well, you'll be flying all day. 163 00:09:56,759 --> 00:10:01,320 You can write a recap while you're flying the same way, and we'll obviously 164 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,000 have more on it as the week goes on on whatever happens, you and 165 00:10:03,039 --> 00:10:05,720 I believe he's gonna win. So and when can I tell you? It's 166 00:10:05,759 --> 00:10:09,600 just something very funny. As we're talking and I'm doing this podcast on my 167 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,320 iPhone, I just got an alert because I still haven't disengaged. Oh no, 168 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,879 no, no, no, I haven't disengaged the alert from the other 169 00:10:16,919 --> 00:10:20,200 flight that I'm no longer on. It just landed in Philadelphia right now. 170 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:28,000 Yeah, like literally this second, which again is uh several hours what five 171 00:10:28,039 --> 00:10:31,000 hours? I break out to mention that Philly flight that was delayed, that 172 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,080 was delayed. I got multiple more attacks afterwards. It was delayed two more 173 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,759 times. That was like ridiculous. So it wasn't even like one hour late. 174 00:10:37,799 --> 00:10:41,559 It was now like three hours late. Wow, all right, what 175 00:10:41,639 --> 00:10:45,600 a mess, but you solved it. And again, whatever happens with the 176 00:10:45,639 --> 00:10:48,159 monster you and I don't know that people hearing us as Monday morning becomes a 177 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,600 Monday afternoon already know because your fight fans, what happens with that? Just 178 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,600 read dance, substack, read the recaps. Read is social media, and 179 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,360 we'll have more on it later in a week and we'll obviously people like I 180 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,720 hope they like my travel trails. Yes can I can? I just say 181 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,639 this. I do this all the time as well. And this is just 182 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:13,480 an overall commentary on this. It has gotten worse and worse with the airlines 183 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:20,000 condensing the number of flights and the personnel and trying to screw the consumer and 184 00:11:20,039 --> 00:11:24,840 the flyer, even though they got billions ray feel with a b of COVID 185 00:11:24,919 --> 00:11:28,879 nineteen money to help them survive. That's our money, by the way, 186 00:11:28,919 --> 00:11:31,919 it's out of tax money that they are being given that. And the customer 187 00:11:33,039 --> 00:11:37,279 service is terrible. I'm talking about across the board. Flight cancelations, flight 188 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:43,000 delays that screw up your connections are frequent. It is a disaster that should 189 00:11:43,039 --> 00:11:48,720 be further The PSA for me is and I just made this mistake because I 190 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,480 didn't book early enough. If you can avoid a stock, of course, 191 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,000 I didn't even care if it cost more money. I don't, I don't. 192 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,039 The only reason I was doing the Philly stop was because I really had 193 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:03,639 no other choice, right, you didn't have a choice first. But the 194 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,519 problem is the problem is probably seventy five percent of the flights every day have 195 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,159 to go somewhere and they're not non stops. They go to a different place 196 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:13,639 and you get screwed up. And this has been happening more and more. 197 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,200 I've in the words of Shaka Khan in the eighties, I feel for you, 198 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,080 and I won't sing anymore. I do feel for you. I'm just 199 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:24,600 try to liven you up a little bit of making all right. We've waited 200 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,639 long enough. Canelo Alvarez wins. I've got my feelings on this, but 201 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,279 you know what you've been through a lot. You go first, you were 202 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:37,759 there t Mobile Arena. It's another win for him. What is this crap? 203 00:12:37,799 --> 00:12:39,960 And I'll use the word crap. I'm not even surly. I'm just 204 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,600 saying crap. What is this crap that somehow Haimi Mungia got robbed. I 205 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:48,080 keep seeing that all over social media, zombies on social media among Zaya fans, 206 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:52,519 his family. He didn't get robbed, he got decisively beaten by a 207 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,039 future Hall of famer. That's me saying that you were there, give me 208 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:01,080 the insight, tell me what you saw go. I mean, anybody thinks 209 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,519 timy Minghee won the fight, it's a fucking idiot. First of all, 210 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,960 I mean his family included. Here's the bottom line. He put up a 211 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,480 great fight. He won, you know, legitimately three four maybe on the 212 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,799 best case scenario, five rounds, but probably we talk all the time. 213 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:18,679 The range of acceptable scores seemed to me, based on my opinion and all 214 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,480 the other scores I've taken in of other people and people I was there covering 215 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,320 the fight with how they scored the fight. Who to paying the respect? 216 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:28,600 You know, it was a nine to three fight, maybe an eight to 217 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,759 four fight. He won three, maybe he won four rounds. He put 218 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,000 up a great effort. The rounds that he won were primarily in the first, 219 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,759 you know, part of the fight. You know, between the first 220 00:13:37,799 --> 00:13:41,879 and fourth round you might have given him, you know, maybe two maybe 221 00:13:41,879 --> 00:13:43,360 three rounds. There was I think it was the ninth round where I thought 222 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,600 he won also, So I had given him two of the first three rounds 223 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:48,679 and then I think I was the ninth round off the top of my head 224 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,960 that I gave him also. But look, it was, first of all, 225 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,440 starting at the beginning, it was a very good fight. It was 226 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,440 exciting, it was entertaining. It was a lot of punching. These guys 227 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,759 were not taking back steps. I mean they were going towards each other. 228 00:14:00,759 --> 00:14:03,320 They were both going for it. That was not a surprise. We all 229 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,840 expected that that's the way these two men go. It lived up to that 230 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:09,120 sort of building. It's not going to go down as a fight of the 231 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:13,159 Year candidate or anything like that. But it was a highly entertaining, high 232 00:14:13,279 --> 00:14:16,240 level, you know, very significant fight given that it was for all the 233 00:14:16,279 --> 00:14:20,879 titles in the super middleweight division. It was on single Demia weekend, so 234 00:14:20,879 --> 00:14:22,840 it was obviously the two Mexicans. It was a big Mexican crowd, and 235 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,960 you know it was it was a terrific fight. But to think Hamimia one, 236 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,360 I'm not even going to go there, but just just a couple of 237 00:14:30,399 --> 00:14:33,440 things. You were in the arena, it seemed like there was a lot 238 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,720 of sentiment from Mongia a lot of cheering for him when he came to the 239 00:14:35,759 --> 00:14:39,039 ring and got introduced, and when he started to score on Canelo in that 240 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,720 third round. What did you sense in the arena since you were there? 241 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,320 It was like a fifty to fifty kind of a crowd. Now, I 242 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,320 mean, maybe not fifty to fifty. Definitely was there more Canelo fans there, 243 00:14:48,399 --> 00:14:50,919 but there was definitely a loud, vocal, passionate group of people that 244 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:56,879 were rooting for Heimimongia, and it was expressly, you know, little electric, 245 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,399 if you will, in the early rounds where he looked like he was 246 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,519 going to do damage and he was getting to Canelo and he he rocked him 247 00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:05,759 at one point. You know, to see Canelo even remotely rocked is like 248 00:15:05,799 --> 00:15:09,919 a big deal because it doesn't happen. You have to go back many years 249 00:15:09,919 --> 00:15:13,879 ago, I mean to that Josehoto fight, which is obviously the famous example. 250 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,440 You know, maybe was there a time here, a time there that 251 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,000 I don't remember specifically, but if you rewatched the fight, you might find 252 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,519 that moment against uh, you know, in all the rounds he had against 253 00:15:22,559 --> 00:15:26,120 Glovekin, maybe that happened a couple of times, but it's certainly a rarity. 254 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:31,399 So when he was visibly uh knocked back by by a big, long 255 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,879 right hand, the crowd kind of went absolutely bonkers at that moment. But 256 00:15:35,039 --> 00:15:37,879 one thing he did show throughout this fight, which is the thing that we've 257 00:15:37,879 --> 00:15:41,519 talked about a lot going into it, and he just proved it yet again. 258 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,399 He's going to go down as a guy with one of the great chins 259 00:15:43,399 --> 00:15:46,639 in the history of boxing. He is he he I believe when he got 260 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:52,279 knocked with he got hurt by Jose Miguel Coto. I was talking to Jim 261 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,919 Lampley about who was there sitting in you know, right in front of me 262 00:15:54,039 --> 00:15:58,320 at the fight, because he does the the chat with our pal Lance Pugmyer 263 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,639 for the PPV dot com live stream, so he was doing that where I 264 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:07,279 was sitting. And afterwards he had mentioned about having called many of Canelo Alvarez 265 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,399 his fights, of course when he was on HBO, and he made to 266 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,639 mention that in that Jose Miguel Cota fight that and I don't remember this, 267 00:16:12,759 --> 00:16:15,720 I have to go back and look at this that it was actually called a 268 00:16:15,799 --> 00:16:18,559 knockdown, nots Canelo was on his back or on the floor, but because 269 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,799 the ropes had held him up when he got knocked into the ropes and that 270 00:16:21,879 --> 00:16:26,559 was officially school you know, scored a knockdown by the referee. But the 271 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,399 point was that in all the years that he has fought, at least in 272 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,679 terms of in the public eye as a you know, from that point forward, 273 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,399 I can't speak to what happened in the first you know, several fights 274 00:16:34,399 --> 00:16:37,200 that were not televised or anything like that. But I don't think Canelo Albertz 275 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,919 has ever been on the deck. You know, the knockdown with the ropes 276 00:16:41,039 --> 00:16:45,000 is one thing, but on the floor by me on his back, on 277 00:16:45,039 --> 00:16:48,720 his face, never been that way. And has fought a litany of top 278 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:53,879 quality punchers in varying weight classes throughout his career. So he and Himan McGee 279 00:16:53,919 --> 00:16:56,559 is one of them. And he showed even though he did get you know 280 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:00,159 that one or two big shots like that that he took has a world class, 281 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,640 historically outstanding chin. There's no doubt about that. And uh, you 282 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,759 know, for Heimiman Gia, who we've seen hurt before. We saw him 283 00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:11,680 hurt against Devron, Chanko and Rock. We've seen him in a little bit 284 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,440 of trouble here and there over the years, although also I had never been 285 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,000 down before. But when Canela fired off that uppercut, what was that? 286 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:22,799 Round three? Round four? He got the knockdown, and Macgia I thought 287 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:29,799 was winning the fourth round and then suddenly the exchange boom boom, he's down 288 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,400 again. I love your insight. You're right there. Did you sense here 289 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,319 we go? He may put him away now that he knocked him down. 290 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,079 What did you sense watching that in the fourth round when that knockdown happened, 291 00:17:41,079 --> 00:17:42,559 If you recall, there was just a few seconds left in the round, 292 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:47,039 So when the when the when the you know, he gave him the mandatory 293 00:17:47,079 --> 00:17:48,799 eight count. He you know, he had gotten up pretty quickly. He 294 00:17:48,839 --> 00:17:53,400 didn't seem that that hurt, but certainly felted. Uh, But there was 295 00:17:53,519 --> 00:17:56,799 I don't to my recollection, there was ten seconds. There was maybe ten 296 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,759 seconds left in the round. So there was not really enough time. Once 297 00:18:00,759 --> 00:18:03,680 he wiped the gloves and did the count and everything, there was not enough 298 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,640 time for Canot to launch any kind of significant offense, and so there was 299 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,400 no way to really follow up immediately. So what you look for in that 300 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,400 particular instance, or any instance where you have a knockdown and you think you 301 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,880 have your man hurt at the end of the round, you jump on him 302 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:15,920 at the beginning of the next round to see if he's still got any cob 303 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,000 webs and if you can take advantage. I didn't get the feeling that Canelo 304 00:18:19,039 --> 00:18:22,440 ever did that he was concerned about what was coming back, you know. 305 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:23,839 I asked him about that at the postfight press covers. He said, I 306 00:18:23,839 --> 00:18:27,319 have twelve rounds to go in there. You have to be careful. So 307 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:32,039 I didn't get the feeling that he really tried to press the you know, 308 00:18:32,319 --> 00:18:34,400 the fast forward button if you will, when the fourth round started, to 309 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,279 see if he could really get him out of there so he was able to 310 00:18:37,279 --> 00:18:40,960 survive, because I do suspect look, if he had dropped him with, 311 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:42,960 you know, a few seconds into the round as opposed to just a few 312 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,440 seconds left and round, perhaps it would have been a different story. But 313 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,200 that's the way it goes. I mean, it's kind of the same way 314 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:52,400 when Canelo had the problem with Jose Miguel Cotto. He was lucky that there 315 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,640 was no time left in the round, because if he had been in that 316 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,480 kind of shape in the first few seconds, we might not be talking about 317 00:18:57,519 --> 00:19:00,880 Canelo oliver Is because maybe he would never become what he became. So you 318 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,319 know, you can't you can't script that. That's just how it goes. 319 00:19:03,599 --> 00:19:07,920 Uh. But Magia he did a good job to recover. Uh. The 320 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:11,960 one thing I liked about Mangia in the fight, when he knew he's behind, 321 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,440 and he knew, you know, after that fourth round and with a 322 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:18,880 knockdown, I felt that from rive that Canelo really took over the fight. 323 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,799 Yes, and composed himself. He got into a rhythm, He started to 324 00:19:22,839 --> 00:19:25,799 CounterPunch beautifully. He when he did come forward, he layded a lot of 325 00:19:25,839 --> 00:19:30,440 hard right hands and uh. And at that point some guys might pack it 326 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,640 in and they're like, you know, they're gonna survive. They're gonna pull 327 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,640 Jamel Charlot and just be there for the paycheck and and not not put themselves 328 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,759 in any harms. Way, one thing and I will respect always about Homi 329 00:19:38,839 --> 00:19:42,839 Mangia, he fought like in the true way a Mexican fighters, uh, 330 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:47,119 the the way that people expect them to fight, which they've done historically, 331 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:52,279 which is he never stopped trying to win. Whatever the issues were, he 332 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,200 went there to win the fight. He didn't but he went and he gave 333 00:19:56,279 --> 00:19:59,039 everything he had. He showed his heart. He took some big shots, 334 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:00,599 even late in the fight when he was, you know, I think tiring 335 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,119 a bit. You know, he still was landing some punches. But Canello's 336 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,079 got that awesome chin, and uh, you got to respect that. And 337 00:20:07,279 --> 00:20:11,839 you know what, can I say, he thought pretty good fight. The 338 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,880 one thing that Canelo did say, which is true is even though he's a 339 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,160 heavy puncher, Canelo said he was able to get away from those shots because 340 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:22,160 he saw everything coming. Because he's he's just not fast. He's a slower 341 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,640 fighter compared not you know, he's faster than you were me, but compared 342 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,240 to your to your above average super middleweight, he's a slow And I thought 343 00:20:30,279 --> 00:20:33,319 on that point, I thought, as the fight got into the late rounds 344 00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:37,519 and you and I, full disclosure, both believed knockout. We were both 345 00:20:37,559 --> 00:20:40,559 on the bet Us show going under the ten and a half, I thought 346 00:20:40,599 --> 00:20:41,720 he was going to wear him down and get to him. And I thought 347 00:20:42,079 --> 00:20:47,839 Mongia looked tired in the tenth. In the eleventh, the punches weren't coming 348 00:20:47,839 --> 00:20:52,519 as fast anymore. But again to his credit, he hung in there. 349 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,160 He was just in there with a Hall of Fame fighter. That's what it 350 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:56,440 took down to. That's what we're saying, and the Hall of Fame fighter 351 00:20:56,519 --> 00:21:00,599 was better than him. And I'm not so sure if they will fight four 352 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,079 more times that the Hall of Fame fighter doesn't beat him all four more times. 353 00:21:03,319 --> 00:21:06,559 That's me saying that, go ahead. Yeah. So a couple of 354 00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:10,759 things about what you're mentioning. The first thing is one of the things I 355 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:12,200 spoke about was when they asked you how you think the fight's gonna go, 356 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,759 I said, not only on maybe on our podcast, on the US show, 357 00:21:15,759 --> 00:21:19,319 maybe on on a couple of YouTube things I did that I felt like, 358 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,359 whatever happens, it's going to be competitive early. And it was because 359 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,640 Mongilla was winning early rounds and he was in the fight because he did have 360 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:32,319 that freshness to him and that excitement and that that confidence and the undefeated record, 361 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:33,799 and he's in there with this guy that he that he knows he can 362 00:21:33,839 --> 00:21:37,880 make his entire career in life if he beats. So from that standpoint, 363 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,200 that kind of played out the way that it did. It didn't quite play 364 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:42,519 out the way at the end because I did think that he would wear him 365 00:21:42,519 --> 00:21:45,160 down. It turned out that he didn't, and that's a credit to Mangia. 366 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,079 Maybe maybe Canello. I can't say he took his foot off the gas 367 00:21:48,759 --> 00:21:52,720 because he was still throwing a lot of punches, but there was no doubt 368 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,559 in my mind when the fight was over that he had won. And I'm 369 00:21:55,559 --> 00:21:57,559 going to say this also, and Mongia sort of, you know, alluded 370 00:21:57,599 --> 00:22:02,079 to this in his own comments after the fight in the press conference. If 371 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:03,799 Mahaimi Mongghee that we saw on Saturday night was in the ring with any other 372 00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:07,119 super middle in the world other than Canelo Algarez, there's a very good chance 373 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,440 that he walks away with the victory. I heard that, Yeah, I 374 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,319 know, And that question got asked by Jim Gray, and they were saying 375 00:22:12,319 --> 00:22:18,799 it on the broadcast. The Moro Ronalo, Joe Goosen and Abner Morrez kept 376 00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:21,799 saying it. They said it two or three times about how he looked. 377 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,400 The only name I kept thinking of, and we'll talk about this name in 378 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,079 a few minutes, is David Benavitez. That would be very interesting if he 379 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:33,079 was fighting Benavitez. But there was definitely the sentiment being sold that if he's 380 00:22:33,079 --> 00:22:37,599 fighting anybody else at one sixty eight he would have won. I don't know, 381 00:22:37,079 --> 00:22:40,319 but he's fighting a Hall of Fame fighter that was ready for him. 382 00:22:40,319 --> 00:22:42,039 I'm not saying he would have beaten benavide right, I don't think that the 383 00:22:42,039 --> 00:22:47,200 way he showed against Canelo, you could say with any certainty that Benavidez would 384 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,200 beat him. I agreed with that. It wore that it would be a 385 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,160 fight, it would be a fight, it would be a fifty to fifty 386 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,599 fight. I agree, I agree. So I thought that was that was 387 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,119 interesting from that the way that you think about it like that. And one 388 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,480 other point, and Oscar de la Hoya mentioned this at the press conference about, 389 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,799 you know, Haimi his future because he did lose. It's the first 390 00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:07,359 loss. That's tough to take, obviously, But the thing is he was 391 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,599 thinking and he made this point that maybe what will happen with Mungia is what 392 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,599 happened with Canelo when Canelo suffered his first loss, and his first loss was 393 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:19,599 a much more one sided, embarrassing like completely played with by Floyd, Whereas 394 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,599 Mongia may have lost in terms of the scorecards the way he did, but 395 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,039 he was in the fight because he was landing punches and it was, you 396 00:23:26,079 --> 00:23:29,599 know, back and forth. He was just losing the rounds, whereas Canelo 397 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,440 was outclassed against against Mayweather. But when Mayweather beat Canelo, Aldarez, who 398 00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:37,720 was a very young fighter, much younger than Mungia Munggi is twenty seven. 399 00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:41,119 I believe when Canelo lost to Floyd he was like, what twenty two something 400 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,160 like that that he went to school on that it made him a better fighter. 401 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,000 He learned from it, He learned from being in the big moment. 402 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,039 He learned from a lot of different things in that fight, and it helped 403 00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:56,160 make him the fighter that he became. And the point is that maybe that 404 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,720 the silver lining is that Mia can take from this loss learning lessons. He's 405 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,960 got a great coach and Freddie Roach. They'll be able to go over the 406 00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:07,039 videos and talk about what they need to do and what they need to change. 407 00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:08,960 He definitely needs to move his head a little bit more. He definitely 408 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,359 needs to stay more committed to the jab. When he jabbed Canelo, it 409 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,279 gave Canelo a lot of problems, not because he was hurting him with it, 410 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,680 but because it was he just couldn't get away from it, and it 411 00:24:18,759 --> 00:24:22,720 opened up Mongia's right hand because he was kind of blinded by that job, 412 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,920 so he would do that extremely well, but then he would abandon it for 413 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,799 like the second half of the round, where he would not throw it for 414 00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:30,720 the first half of the round and find it a little bit at the end 415 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,400 of the round. You gotta stay consistent. That's a great weapon. Jimi 416 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,200 has a very good job. He just needs to use it regular My point 417 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,000 is that's one of those kind of lessons that when they go back to the 418 00:24:38,039 --> 00:24:41,400 soap called drawing board and figure out what the heck is dexed and how can 419 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,880 they improve when they come up against another top quality fighter. Those are the 420 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,599 types of things that they're gonna have to preach and learn and discuss and think 421 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,319 about all the time in the camp. And I think Heimi, he's so 422 00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:56,960 only twenty seven that he's got a chance to become a legit superman aweight champ. 423 00:24:57,279 --> 00:25:02,599 When when Canelo's done holding those titles and and become one of the big 424 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,519 popular, more popular, bigger names among Mexican boxing. Because once you put 425 00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:08,839 Canelo off to the side, you know it's not there's great Mexican fighters, 426 00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:14,559 but who's there to take the mantle as the star and maybe maybe it could 427 00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:17,279 be Mangia. Still, he had a big crowd there, but it was 428 00:25:17,319 --> 00:25:19,519 a terrific fight. You know, he didn't he didn't embarrass stuff, you 429 00:25:19,559 --> 00:25:22,039 know, very well against one of the best guys of the era, if 430 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,279 not the best guy of the era. And you know there's pit Bull Cruz 431 00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:30,079 and there's others who are top, top exciting Mexicans that are excellent and have 432 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,680 titles, that are talented. But you know, he's among the bigger names 433 00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:36,640 in the bigger weight classes. You know there's still Zerdo Ramirez who's got a 434 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,839 cruiserweight title, but he's got a chance still, even off the loss. 435 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,960 I guess what I'm saying is, yeah, he lost the fight, but 436 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:47,240 a lot of times in boxing, a loss helps make you bigger and you 437 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,440 become more popular, you get more known, you make more money. And 438 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,079 I think this is the kind of loss that is going to help build Munkey 439 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,799 into a much more known fighter, a bigger attraction, more popular guy. 440 00:25:56,799 --> 00:26:00,160 And for Canelo, look, he just keep doing what he does. When 441 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,119 he made another title defense, he pulled in another forty million dollars pay day, 442 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:08,480 and you know he's still great. All right, We're gonna get to 443 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,000 the undercard here in just a couple of seconds, a couple of thoughts from 444 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:15,000 me. One. I mean, we differ sometimes on these opinions. You 445 00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:19,400 obviously have done this at the highest level. You were there the whole bit. 446 00:26:19,519 --> 00:26:23,720 You have much more insight than most, including me. To me, 447 00:26:25,079 --> 00:26:27,960 this is me saying this with my opinion sitting back here. Yes, I 448 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,799 think the division is going to be a little more wide open whenever Canello moves 449 00:26:32,839 --> 00:26:34,839 out of the way. But to me, I don't know if we haven't 450 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:40,200 seen the ceiling of Jimimongia at this point. He's an offensive fighter. I 451 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,799 don't know how much he can change getting hit a bunch and defensively, maybe 452 00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:47,000 he can. You laid out a convincing case on this. To me, 453 00:26:47,599 --> 00:26:51,319 he looks like a blown up middleweight. He I mean, I think he 454 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:52,960 would be better served as a middleweight. Don't know that he's ever going to 455 00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:56,440 go back to middleweight. He's now had three fights at super middleweight. I 456 00:26:56,559 --> 00:27:00,839 understand that. To me, he looked slower, He looked tired at the 457 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,480 end of the fight. I don't know what kind of great shape he's in. 458 00:27:04,599 --> 00:27:07,359 Is certainly when you look at the mid section et cetera. I don't 459 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,440 know. I don't know what he's future. Ultimately, here's the thing. 460 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,240 At one, I just I'm not ready to pull bore. There's very few 461 00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:18,079 fighters that he's going to come up against in that weight class. That's true. 462 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,799 And you talk about but if you talk about hold on, if you 463 00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:25,759 talk about David Bennavide's, you talk about let's say David Morrell, Both those 464 00:27:25,799 --> 00:27:27,799 two guys have moved up Apparentello Yeah, I mean, uh, he didn't 465 00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:30,799 fight either of those guys, and they got tired of waiting. So Benavidez 466 00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:34,599 is fighting Alexander Bodzik and and David Morell is fighting on the on the on 467 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,200 the August third card in his light heavyweight debut. They're not going to be 468 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,000 coming back down and wait. And so those guys are out of the way, 469 00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:45,359 and and he's just fought the number one guy. So beyond that, 470 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,519 the super middleweight be coming a little bit more open. So he's going to 471 00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:52,279 be able, I think, to do some damage in that division. And 472 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:56,240 by the way, there's not a whole bunch of top guys in the shitty 473 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,720 middleweight division that's be reft of big names and talent that are going to be 474 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,519 coming up to super mid eight anytime soon. Even if you take the top 475 00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:06,680 younger guys like the Animal Williams and the Shiraz, we're going to fight each 476 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,519 other. There's been no conversation about there looking to leave the way right Jana 477 00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:11,960 back? Is Jaab going to move up? Right? I mean the one 478 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,000 guy out there at super miniweight that just pop of mind. That's interesting, 479 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:19,000 that's exciting, that's got a good power and has a great record and is 480 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,319 in a position with the organizations. That's Christian with Mombilly the fighter, the 481 00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:29,160 fights out of Canada, or who's promoted with top rank or Berlanga or Berlanga. 482 00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:30,720 If Berlanga gets in the mix. Now, let's talk about what's next 483 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,759 for these guys. I mean you talk about Hey, let's talk about what's 484 00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:37,200 next in particular for Canelo. We all are wondering, go ahead, Well, 485 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,640 you brought up Berlanga, so I kept thinking about, like what you 486 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,000 know. They didn't really get into a lot of the commentary afterwards at the 487 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,440 press conference and then the interviews focused mostly on Benavid's which to me at this 488 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:49,960 point and I mean I love to see the fight. Of course, I've 489 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,720 written about it extensively. I'm not you know, I'm just getting tired of 490 00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:57,680 it. Number one, number two, it's no longer legitimate that it's going 491 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,519 to happen anytime soon, be us, he's going to the next weight division. 492 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,200 I know he said he would come back down and wait for the right 493 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,559 offer. I don't know if that right quote unquote right offer is ever coming 494 00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:11,000 for Canelo for that fight, and so I just don't think that's happening. 495 00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:15,119 So if you if you posit that he's out of the division and he's not 496 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,559 fighting Canelo. And same goes for David Morrell, who was never really a 497 00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:22,559 true name for him anyway, just because he had no name recognition, and 498 00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:25,799 strictly as a business proposition, it just didn't make any sense, uh, 499 00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:27,960 for the risk that was there. Who else is out there? So m 500 00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:33,359 Billy is there? I mean it's possible, but probably highly unlikely. And 501 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,559 if you just it's not gonna be Aero Spence like which was in the original 502 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,759 PBC contract he has, which I think this was the one fight deal when 503 00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:44,079 they redid it, But the original three fight deal was Jermel Charlotte, who 504 00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:48,680 he already beat. It was Spence who was not even on the table because 505 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,279 he's completely you know, off the radar as far as a supermanotent title fight 506 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,240 after getting a obliterated at welterweight, and there's still a lot of rumors that 507 00:29:56,279 --> 00:30:00,920 persist he'll still fight all Charlot, the one sixty title holder, but he 508 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,440 opted for Mangia, as he said, because he realized that there was so 509 00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:10,799 much non interest from the public and the press in that fight that what's changed 510 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,559 all that's gonna have changed. Carlo's gonna have been off a lot longer and 511 00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:18,079 caneloscuring, you know, coming off a more exciting win. So if it 512 00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:21,880 was dead on arrival as a pay per view for September, how in the 513 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,319 world you know, or may how in the world is now all of a 514 00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:26,359 sudden for his fight coming up this coming September, you know, going to 515 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,920 be focused on Charlotte. It's not an economically viable fight in my mind. 516 00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:33,000 So if you just keep checking off all those names that I've just mentioned, 517 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,759 the one guy that's still sitting there that wants to fight, that is available 518 00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:41,480 for the fight, that will fight for the money that will be given to 519 00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:45,440 the opponent, who oh, by the way, is the WBO's mandatory challenger. 520 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,480 Not that that's the reason that Canelo takes fights, but it's just one 521 00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:52,079 reason why you make a laundry list of reasons. And oh, by the 522 00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:56,480 way, he's going to fight on the Mexican Independence they weekend, and oh, 523 00:30:56,519 --> 00:30:59,920 by the way, what a big show they can make if he's fight 524 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:06,680 mouthy undefeated Puerto Rican fighter, and who is that? TJ. Edgar Berlanga, 525 00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:07,720 Thank you, sir, who, by the way, was at the 526 00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:11,160 fight. So all right, maybe that's connect the dots on what's next for 527 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,319 Canelo and important we don't have to go down the road. Also, also, 528 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,680 Berlanga's manager was at the fight, that's right. And the important thing 529 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:23,319 too is Canelo is a free agent here for a broadcast deal, promotional deal, 530 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,720 whatever. That's not going to hinder him here. And for the love 531 00:31:27,759 --> 00:31:34,000 of God, let's stop uttering the name Jamal Charlow. Absolutely just stop stop 532 00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:38,599 with that, all right, So good stuff on that. Let's get to 533 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:47,160 the undercard, which saw both Mario Barrios and Stanionis win their fights. Again, 534 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,519 we keep it real here. Neither one were thrilling bouts. The guys 535 00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:56,000 that were favored to win did win. In the co feature fight in particular 536 00:31:56,519 --> 00:32:00,680 May Donna and I know, Mario, I know you couldn't hear the commentary. 537 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,880 Marl Ronalo just went on and on about this guy's not trying to do 538 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,279 anything. This guy's not trying to fire at him. He's not you. 539 00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:10,759 You talked about Mungie at least going out on his shield and trying to win 540 00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:15,079 and not just survive. All right, you were in the arena for both 541 00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:16,759 of these. Let's go over both of them because there's a distinct possibility they 542 00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:21,960 could be fighting each other Barrios and Stanionis who both won. But go ahead, 543 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,880 go ahead first with the Brios winn. Okay, So Barrios, as 544 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,680 I've said in the previous podcast, like he's sort of growing on me. 545 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,480 Like you know, I was never like real high on him. I didn't 546 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,519 really think much of him early on. I thought he showed a lot of 547 00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:37,799 heart and competed with Tank Davis. When he lost that fight, you know, 548 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:38,920 there's no shame in losing to Keith Thurman, who's you know, been 549 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,880 the standout welterweight of for a long time in unifying titles. You know, 550 00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:46,160 even if he was coming back from a long layoff. Those are like what 551 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,240 I would say, You're like, oh, those are forgivable losses, if 552 00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:52,759 you know what I mean. Look good against Santiago and when he then you 553 00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:57,519 know he's unfortunately he had like a lot of the fighters you know in today's 554 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,920 day and age, they have layoffs. But you know, he got the 555 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,079 the Santiago win. Now I'm not saying san Diego is anything spectacular, but 556 00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:06,680 he he got robbed against Adrian Broner. In my opinion, he should have 557 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,240 had that victory. And then when he came back after that, he looked 558 00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:12,759 superb. In the last fight prior to this one in September of last year, 559 00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:15,839 which is also on another Canelo card, when Canel fought Charlow. One 560 00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:17,799 of the other fights on that show was Barrios, who took a part or 561 00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:23,200 daniz Ugas. He busted him up, He hurt his eye, dropped him 562 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:28,680 a couple of times, and won the vacant interim title that he defended against 563 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,240 Madonna. So those are pretty two nice, good little wins in a row. 564 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:36,640 And Brios, I mean, I know it wasn't a great exciting fight. 565 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,359 I thought Madonna was a poor opponent from the standpoint that he just had 566 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,480 no accomplishment. You know, the only thing that was notable was that he's 567 00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:45,880 the brother of Marcosmydonna, the former title holder at one forty seven, who 568 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,359 also was at the fight. Just as an aside, when I was coming 569 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,640 out of the media center after the press conference last night, there was this 570 00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:57,039 huge swarm of people that suddenly like popped up a few feet from our standard, 571 00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:59,160 like quo deck is that I looked and it was it was his brother 572 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,880 marcous who was surround by all the fans who had recognized him in any event. 573 00:34:04,079 --> 00:34:06,559 But Barrios, you know, he will looked good. I thought the 574 00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:09,679 scores, all three scorecards were one sixteen to one eleven. Maydonna had gotten 575 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,480 knocked down in the third round, you know, I thought maybe he could 576 00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:15,840 finish it. That didn't come to pass. As we talked about Madonna with 577 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,239 everything about his skills, like many of the Argentines that fight in these types 578 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,800 of high level fights, it's got a great chin, there's no doubt about 579 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,880 that. Uh. And Barrios did. He sucked it up. He showed 580 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:31,920 some some balls because he had a badly swollen eye that was getting worse in 581 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,800 the final couple of rounds of the fight where it could have remember a factor 582 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,719 for a lucky punch. I don't remember when that occurred, that swelling started. 583 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,639 It was like what the middle of the fight, roughly correct, but 584 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,440 he to get through that, you know, he spoke, it was it 585 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,159 would hamper him, but he did the job. I mean he won clear, 586 00:34:47,559 --> 00:34:51,920 he won decisive, you know. And whether you love Mario Barrios, 587 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,719 you don't love Mario Barrios, you don't know anything about him. All I 588 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,920 can tell you is this, He's going to become a significant factor in the 589 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,320 division just based on his position with PBC with the title, because in the 590 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:06,480 same he's gonna go for Stanionis. Barrios has the interim title. Stanionis has 591 00:35:06,519 --> 00:35:10,039 the regular WBA titlehum August. When Crawford makes the move to fifty four. 592 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,679 At some point, either shortly before or shortly after win or lose, I 593 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:19,599 believe he will be vacating his belts, so that will make Stanionis the WBA 594 00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:22,239 champion because there won't be any other guy in the White division with the belt. 595 00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:24,079 Barrios will be elevated from the interim champion. That will be the only 596 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:30,880 WBC champion with the interim tag removed from his record. And so now you 597 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,440 have a situation with these two PBC fighters who are entertaining fighters for the most 598 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,920 part, who are still on the young side, who've got good records, 599 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,679 who are establishing solid resumes. Again, I'm not saying it's gonna happen next, 600 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:45,679 but I think there's probably they keep these belts. There's a pretty reasonable 601 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,199 chance we might see that them fight each other. And to take a look 602 00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:51,679 at the Stanionis fight that opened the Deep Review, yep, so he was 603 00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:53,000 fighting for the first time in two years. I mean, this guy was 604 00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:59,559 just in just terrible layoff situation for reasons that we're not really to anything other 605 00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:01,480 than I feel is like bad luck. He had an appen deck tomy that 606 00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:07,199 caused the Virgil Ortiz fight to be postponed. Then Virgil had his relapse of 607 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,159 his blood disorder that caused it to be postponed again. And then when it 608 00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:13,119 was finally rescheduled and they were supposed to go do it the next time, 609 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,800 this time it was the fight week and Virgil passed out from problems making the 610 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,199 weight with the dehydration, and it got canceled. And so it put him 611 00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:22,679 into a two year laoff, and it's kind of sad when he was off 612 00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:27,880 two years and the guy who pulled out twice because of his problems fought twice 613 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,679 since danion his thought because Virgil has now fought two times already this year, 614 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,840 the January fight and then the one that was just a couple of weeks ago. 615 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,480 So poor Stanionis, who was very exciting, undefeated, had the title, 616 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,760 the regular title when he won that against the Tide was a sensational action 617 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,760 fight, so he said afterwards, I felt a little rusty, and that's 618 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:50,719 to be understandable after that long of a layoff. And Master is not anything 619 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,239 spectacular, but he's sturdy and he's a little tricky with the way he punches 620 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:58,039 with his angles. He was all arm punches though Stanionis was really laying hard 621 00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:00,800 punches on him. My astery really didn't really seem to have much team on 622 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,639 those shots. You know, he beat him in the amateurs, he beat 623 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:07,320 him again in the pros. Was pretty decisive. You know, one judge 624 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,679 had it eleven rounds to one, one judge had it ten rounds to two, 625 00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:15,039 and one judge had it nine nine to three. So that's that's pretty 626 00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:16,440 decisive there, and so it's a good win for STANDI onus, it's a 627 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,599 good win for Barrios and Uh, I'd like to see them fight each other. 628 00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:22,000 I know they don't have big names, but the winner of that fight 629 00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:27,280 can maybe launch themselves into a bigger name, because I guarantee you, guarantee 630 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,400 you if Barrios and standing on his fight, that will be a good, 631 00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:34,920 excellent, entertaining action fight for sure in my view. And then the winner 632 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,599 obviously has two of the belts, which is the whole point for leverage for 633 00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:40,559 a bigger fight with a bigger name down the road. All right, So 634 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:46,480 Brandon Figueroa also victorious once again. A body shot ko for him against Jesse 635 00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:51,280 Magdalena. When we left the podcast, we didn't obviously know this. Magdaleno 636 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:58,519 missed the weight in that interim featherweight title fight. So thoughts on the figure 637 00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:00,079 roll will win what it sets up for him? Anything else off the car 638 00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:04,119 before we're done off the car, Yeah, I mean for figure out again. 639 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,599 It's like a broken record. He was coming back from a fourteen month 640 00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:09,440 layoff, but he looked I thought for that length of a layoff, he 641 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,800 looked pretty sharp and Magdaleno, I've always thought it's a good fighter, maybe 642 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,000 not the elite top fighter. He was coming off of a decision loss to 643 00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:20,719 ray Ford, who then went on after that victory to win the WBA featherweight 644 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,480 title. But he thought okay in that fight against ray Ford, So I 645 00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:25,320 actually liked this matchup. This to me, on paper, it was an 646 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,239 interesting matchup. I was disappointed that Magdaleno didn't make the weight. That kind 647 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,519 of sucks the life out of a fight when a guy has the disadvantage and 648 00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:35,079 the other guy doesn't make the weight and then the title is not at stake 649 00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:37,440 and blah blah blah. But in the end, it was a close fight. 650 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,320 Magdaleno fought well, figure out fought well going into the knockout run. 651 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,199 I'm looking here at the scurse. It was seventy seven to seventy five on 652 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,199 two score cards, in seventy eight to seventy four on the third score card. 653 00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:50,719 Brandon was winning on all three. But it was certainly competitive, and 654 00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:54,239 as Jesse said in his post fight comments, you know he was more pissed 655 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,400 that he got knocked out because the fight was so darn close at the to 656 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,400 the knockout because he was competing really well in the fight, and you know, 657 00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:04,159 figure Out he had kept pushing him to the ropes. He's you know, 658 00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:07,159 he's the guy that swarms you and and doesn't give you an inch to 659 00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:08,880 breathe, and he's always on top of you. And he's talking about how 660 00:39:08,559 --> 00:39:13,280 he's throwing punches, and he keeps seeing that Jesse's kind of dropping or picked, 661 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,679 you know, moving his arm around, and he knows he's going to 662 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,280 be an opening. He's trying to time the opening and kept trying and trying 663 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,719 to try it. And right there at the end of that that that ninth 664 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:22,920 round, there was like one second left when the ref waved it off. 665 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,440 He got the shot in and it was a perfect, perfect shot. You 666 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,400 know, Magaleno felt all four us and you know it's just you're just not 667 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,039 getting up from that. You'd much rather be with a hedgehot than that kind 668 00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:36,320 of body shot. It was a perfect shot, and Magaleno was, you 669 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,239 know, we was just done for you know, he was he could have 670 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,199 got up after maybe like fifteen or sixteen or eighteen seconds, but he wasn't 671 00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:45,159 getting up in ten seconds. And look, it's a good win for figure 672 00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:49,519 Out and he'll I'm not sure where he goes next. He is supposed to 673 00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:52,119 be the mandatory still for Ray Vargas, you know, who had the draw 674 00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:57,000 with Nick Ball. So that's a fight that was talked about by PBC last 675 00:39:57,079 --> 00:39:59,880 year. It did not come to pass. Maybe now they'll make that fight. 676 00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:00,760 I don't know, you know, that could be a good car, 677 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,960 a good fight on one of the these big pay per views that they continually 678 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,639 roll out. If they ever get around to doing non pay per view fights 679 00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:13,000 on on on Prime video, that would seem like a very solid reasonable moment 680 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,760 for one of those types of shows. But it's a good win for Figaro. 681 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,679 Uh. He's a fun fighter to watch and he got a good win 682 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:22,840 the other night, a right Hazus Ramos also a TKO win, and Vito 683 00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:28,679 mil Niki also gets away. Anything bult remarkable from those two fights prior to 684 00:40:28,679 --> 00:40:30,159 the pay per view, well, in terms of Veto, that was the 685 00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:34,480 opening preliand fight. You know, he scored two knockdowns one you know, 686 00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:37,800 pretty clear decision. I actually, because there was so much stuff going on, 687 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,840 I got into the arena in about the third round of that fight, 688 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,719 so I was sort of setting up my stuff and you know, getting getting 689 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,039 squared away. So I wasn't paying too close attention, to be honest with 690 00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:49,920 you, there was like about twelve people in the arena at that moment about 691 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,199 how was one of them? It seemed like, uh, but the Ramos 692 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:53,360 fight, look, he that was a pretty good fight, but it was 693 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,719 you know, it was all Ramos and he scored a nice knockout and he 694 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,199 bounced back from what I thought was a shitty decision that he got his first 695 00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:04,320 floss in against Eric Slupin. And he's still to me one of the very 696 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,800 best young fifty four pounders in the world, and he's going to be in 697 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,360 the mix you before too long fighting for titles. All right, So that 698 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:14,119 leads us to the news now. And oh, by the way, you 699 00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:17,360 were mentioning who all was there in attendance. Gervonte Davis obviously there because he 700 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:22,400 will be up next for Premiere Boxing Champions on their pay per views with Amazon 701 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:29,840 Prime ANDPPV, dot Com, etc. Making his first appearance of this year 702 00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:32,719 ever since the Ryan Garcia fight. So you were at the press conference that 703 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:37,199 they had with he and Frank the Ghost Martin as well as David Benavitez, 704 00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:42,320 Alexander Vodzik. They were having that presser on Saturday. We did things get 705 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,719 a little testy there. They were trying to drum up some interest. That's 706 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,880 always the case. But what about this now they've set it up and you 707 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,880 were there for it in Vegas? Well, I mean, first of all, 708 00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:52,639 Saturday press conference to announce another fight on the day of a big fight, 709 00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:54,800 when there's a lot of meata, there is a good normal thing happens 710 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:59,480 all the time. I've been to a million press conferences on the Saturday of 711 00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:01,519 a major fight in that same media center. So they just changed over the 712 00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:05,400 signage and put up the step and repeat for the new fight. And yeah, 713 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,039 the only thing that was ridiculous was that they called it for twelve o'clock 714 00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:12,719 noon to start, and by the way, it didn't start to like about 715 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,400 five of one, which I get that things happen in boxing and it's late, 716 00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:20,480 but I found it extraordinarily disrespectful when all the people that are covering your 717 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,920 event have to be at the arena because it's a long freaking day for the 718 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,519 card to waste our time. They don't care about our time, They don't 719 00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:30,199 give a fuck about our time. They never have and they never will and 720 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,119 it pisses me off, but I understand. But when they did get started, 721 00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:36,360 it was a good press conference. And I had to tell you when 722 00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:39,599 I knew that they were making Tank against Frank Martin, like I never thought 723 00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:42,519 it was a bad fight. I was always sort of interested in the fight, 724 00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:45,239 like that's cool, and even the Benabiditias and Bozen fighters like that's an 725 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,159 interesting fight also. So I liked the two fights, but having now attend 726 00:42:47,199 --> 00:42:50,679 to the press covers, it got me even more kind of pumped up for 727 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,679 the fight because those two guys were from the second they both walked in the 728 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:57,079 room. It wasn't like a nasty press covers. They didn't punch each other. 729 00:42:57,159 --> 00:43:00,880 It wasn't like horrible like sometimes you see with the really stupidly personal things 730 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,920 and all that kind of stuff. But there was enough tension and enough shit 731 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,039 talk to make it like, Okay, these guys are gonna gonna get down 732 00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:10,039 and then do some damage in that ring. It was so that from that 733 00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:14,239 point of view, it was a good press conference, interesting fight to me, 734 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:15,960 Like you mentioned Tank, uh, you know, he even brought it 735 00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:19,000 up. I haven't been in the ring in a minute. Since I was 736 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,760 in jail and all the stuff that's been happening, house arrests and all that. 737 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,599 But now he's got the chance to be back where he's comfortable, which 738 00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:28,360 is in the boxing ring, and he's taken on a good opponent. I 739 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,039 mean, they kind of laid it on a little bit thick about how Frank 740 00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:32,920 had done everything in the division to earn the shot, and then that's nonsense 741 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,159 obviously, because Frank's got like, you know, one one good win against 742 00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:40,159 Michelle Rivera, right, but that doesn't take away the fact that he's a 743 00:43:40,199 --> 00:43:44,159 talented fighter. Based on this the eye test. I've seen him fight, 744 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:45,440 you know, a few times over the last couple of years. You know, 745 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:50,400 he's obviously a good up and coming fighter. They apparently had sparred at 746 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,519 one time, and there was this whole back and forth between them about the 747 00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:55,079 video of how that sparring went down, so that I'm sure will become a 748 00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:58,840 talking point during the build up to the fight. So they they did their 749 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,079 job talking and then on the on the flip side, he got Benavidez and 750 00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:04,400 Bojick, who definitely look like it's going to be a good fight, but 751 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,599 they were much more respectful to each other. You know, David's David's not 752 00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:12,039 the kind of guy to ever say bad about the opponent unless they start with 753 00:44:12,119 --> 00:44:15,199 him. And Vojick is like the most businesslike, uh and friendly guy you'll 754 00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:19,679 meet. So that's also going to be an interesting fight because Benavidez is moving 755 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,760 up and wait, he's fighting a good opponent. People forget. I mean, 756 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,639 Ojik hasn't really been in the consciousness of boxing fans for a minute, 757 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:30,880 but at one time he was like one of the very very best guys. 758 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,320 He had beaten uh, you know, Adonna Stevenson to become the lineal champion, 759 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,639 and he had a tremendous fight with Arthur Better BF to unify the titles. 760 00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:40,440 That's his only loss. He went into the like what the tenth eleventh 761 00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:44,519 round of that fight and got stopped and then retired right right, and then 762 00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:46,320 decided in his retirement. He's now won since the ending of the kind of 763 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,159 thing, He's won three fights in a row. He's part of the team 764 00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:52,639 Canelo, I guess, and he's back in business. He said, you 765 00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:55,199 know, when I ended my retirement, my goal was to get back into 766 00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,960 this level of a fight. And now he's got it, and uh, 767 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,400 the winner is going to be in a tremendous position. And the Tank Davis 768 00:45:02,679 --> 00:45:06,760 against Frank Martin fight, the winner of that fight is gonna have a lot 769 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,280 to say about the future of the weight class. Obviously, Tank will be 770 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:13,440 the big favorite. So I think this has a chance because they're taking two 771 00:45:13,559 --> 00:45:17,920 good commodities in terms of their name in Tank and Benavides, who have different 772 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,039 fan bases. Obviously, you know, Tank appeals more to the urban crowd 773 00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:25,280 and to the to the to black fans and that sort of thing, where 774 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:30,559 Benavide's fan base is more you know, Hispanic crowd, right, and you 775 00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:32,800 bring them both together for the same event, and that, you know, 776 00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:37,440 just makes it a bigger deal because they've both Obviously, Tanks done his pay 777 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,519 per view numbers, you know. But I know people want to make Tank 778 00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:43,599 out to be like this massive, massive megastar, and I know he's got 779 00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:47,199 the following on social media and and that, and his one mega fight was 780 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,320 the Ryan Garcia fight. And all due respect to the Tank, who was 781 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,599 a big reason why that fight was the success that it was, it is 782 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:59,599 just as much Ryan Garcia's popularity in his fan base that made that the Juggernaut 783 00:45:59,639 --> 00:46:02,599 fight that, yes, but on his own against other you know, decent 784 00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:07,360 names, Tank's never done big numbers, big numbers, you know, the 785 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:13,320 worst in a fight like against Yildrum has done more than the Tank Davis fights 786 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,039 other than Ryan Garcia. So Tank is definitely a pay per view attraction because 787 00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:20,280 he can do you know, in the high two hundreds on pay per view, 788 00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:22,760 And David has had two pay per view fights, both against Andre and 789 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,519 against kayleb Plant From my reporting those fights, did you know in the one 790 00:46:27,639 --> 00:46:30,599 fifty one seventy five kind of range. Now you bring the two of them 791 00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:34,559 together on a pay per view where they're drawing from some different fan bases. 792 00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:37,599 Obviously they overlap and the die hard boxing fan base. But the point is 793 00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:40,719 you can make make hay out of that. You put him in with good 794 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:45,559 opponents, uh, you know, and make just what our two quality fights 795 00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:50,920 where yeah, the the A sides, Tank and David are the clear favorites 796 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,000 in those bouts. But if there's an upset in either one of those fights, 797 00:46:53,039 --> 00:46:55,360 I'm not going to be shocked at all. I mean, I might 798 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,440 be a little more shocked to voz be Benevitez than I would if Frank Martin 799 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,559 were able to be a tank. But point here is that these A sides 800 00:47:01,639 --> 00:47:05,880 are in with reputable opponents, they're making it a big event. They did 801 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,920 a great press coverence. Hopefully they'll add other interesting fights to that undercard, 802 00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:14,760 and they're in business for June fifteenth at the MGM Grand for yet another prime 803 00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:17,800 pay per view. And I'm still waiting for a non prime pay per view. 804 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,719 It has come to my attention while I've been here talking to people involved 805 00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:24,079 there's probably not going to be now a non pay per view in the month 806 00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:27,840 of June, which they were supposed to be. So now we're going on 807 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,199 half the year with not a single non pay per view paper from from PBC. 808 00:47:31,679 --> 00:47:35,559 And while they can do these types of shows, you know, for 809 00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:38,119 the for the next event, at some point you can't just put the event 810 00:47:38,159 --> 00:47:42,119 on a pay every event on here, it doesn't work in the long run. 811 00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:45,679 End. The story they can get the business model is you're not going 812 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,199 to continue to score on pay per view. Uh, and you've got too 813 00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:52,960 many fighters too, and so you've got to work that in. Well. 814 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,880 The biggest part is that the biggest part is you're not developing the next group 815 00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,760 of paper tree fighters. You've talked Davis became a pay per view because he 816 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,320 fought a billion times on showtime and people saw him and the same people pick 817 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,320 any fighter out there that's right pay per view attacks and Floyd mayother thought probably 818 00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:12,159 you know, had thirty plus fights before he became a big paper He can't. 819 00:48:12,159 --> 00:48:15,039 He's at some point the wrap the guys today, they're not going to 820 00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:16,559 be pay per view guys anymore. Who's coming behind them? As the question, 821 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:21,480 it's still very much up in the air Premiere Boxing Champions and what they're 822 00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:25,199 doing as they go here, uh with twenty twenty four and their television. 823 00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:29,760 All right, So you talked about the light heavyweight division and the news came 824 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:37,719 out late on Friday night that in the Saturday that the June one undisputed light 825 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,960 heavyweight title about Archer, BETTERBEV and Dmitri b Bolt not happening again. We 826 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:46,199 thought we were going to get this before and then remember HBV had the jaws 827 00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:52,440 surgery or had the oral surgery and had the jaw infection that delayed things for 828 00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:57,639 his fight. So it delayed the timeline of fighting Bivol after So now this 829 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,599 is that fight is off. It's an injured it's a meniscus injury. And 830 00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:05,000 I have a little insight into this, being in the pro sports world, 831 00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:07,440 being in the football world. I don't have a meniscus injury myself, but 832 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:12,440 I've heard athletes talk about this, I've seen the case. These are not 833 00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:15,559 simple things. So without being surgeons, and we're not playing one on the 834 00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:20,320 podcast, it's not like he would be ready in July to fight. More 835 00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,320 than likely it's going to be much later in the summer before he's ready to 836 00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,840 fight. And so now they're scrambling to put an opponent in front of bevol 837 00:49:27,159 --> 00:49:29,880 because you still got a month for him to be on the card in Saudi 838 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,000 Arabia, Dan so go ahead. So they termed in a ruptured meniscus, 839 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:37,199 which certainly anything you which means a surgery. Yes, when you hear something 840 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:38,559 is ruptured, that never a good sign. I don't think no. But 841 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,360 that said, I was told by folks involved with it that that. Again, 842 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,159 I guess they don't know. You can never know for certain, But 843 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,400 the rough timeline was he might be able to return by September. I'm a 844 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,440 little skeptical of that, just because he's a tremendous fighter, but has been 845 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:58,159 a little fragile in terms of being able to thirty nine trying to recover after 846 00:49:58,199 --> 00:50:00,760 a surgery. That's another valid point. I just don't lose. I hope 847 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:05,480 we don't lose this fight for good because it, like it literally was the 848 00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:07,239 best fight you could make in the sports. So many people had that opinion 849 00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:12,960 to clashing styles, so huge stakes. So on the one hand, you 850 00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:15,719 know, it's good they're going to try to you know, keep Eople from 851 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,719 having to lose his date and you know, not defend this title and not 852 00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:22,800 not stay active, not get paid in all that business. So we'll say 853 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,360 what they do with that. Uh. The good thing is that they're they're 854 00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,800 not going to cancel the card because it was such a loaded card anyway that 855 00:50:29,159 --> 00:50:31,159 these Saudi cards, if there's an injury like that, usually you're not gonna 856 00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:35,239 end up having a cancel anything because there's such a deep show besides that. 857 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,400 So if if Bevo fight's great, he'll just have his title defense. Uh. 858 00:50:38,519 --> 00:50:42,199 If he doesn't fight for whatever reason and he's off the show, the 859 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,679 undercard is still tremendous. They're just going to take the five on five fights 860 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:46,639 and it will be its own event, which it could have been its own 861 00:50:46,639 --> 00:50:50,360 event even without the light heavyweight fight, So you'll just see. I guess 862 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:54,480 we'll take Deontay Wilder and Jang July. That's likely. That's likely your main 863 00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:58,559 event, Wilder and Jang. Now even if Beebles still on the card, 864 00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:00,639 you would think, but we'll well, that's up to them to figure that 865 00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:04,239 out. But whatever the order of the fights is, there's still going to 866 00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,840 be a good event on that date, June first, because the five on 867 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,320 five is still a very compelling group of fights. So they'll they'll go through 868 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,159 with that and hopefully, you know, better be able. We'll heal quickly. 869 00:51:13,159 --> 00:51:15,559 Good luck to him. I hope he does, and hopefully we'll see 870 00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:17,960 that fight before before too long. All right, and one more news item 871 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:22,960 and then we'll get to some nostalgia and be done here. We've talked a 872 00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,800 lot about the Jiron NSIBF welterweight title defense with Cody Crawley. It now is 873 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,719 official, it has a date, it has a location. Goal ahead with 874 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,400 that, well, it means they probably signed the contract, which there was 875 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,440 a lot of time that I thought he might not actually go through with that. 876 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,639 So yes, they did the deal he signed. Ennis was always going 877 00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,639 to be fighting this summer. It was just a matter of who was going 878 00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:45,880 to be against and the mandatory Cody probably signed the agreement. So Mattroom Boxing 879 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:50,599 will have their first event with Jaron Ennis having signed with the company, you 880 00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:52,559 know, a few weeks ago, July twenty third, live on his own, 881 00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:55,800 and obviously it'll take place at the Wells Fargo Center in Philadelphia. They're 882 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,239 going right for the big arena. They're not going to mess around with a 883 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,519 smaller venue like I thought they might. Well as Fargo Center is the biggest 884 00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:05,280 arena in the city. It's where the seventy six ers play. Correct, 885 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,239 it's the major league arena for that city, and they've i believe from my 886 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,840 understanding, it's never had a boxing match take place there. So that's a 887 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,440 feather in the cap of Jiwon Ennis to go home. I'm assuming they'll do 888 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,639 a good job promoting it. Philadelphia, of course, historically a great fight 889 00:52:19,679 --> 00:52:22,639 city, a great sports town, and they've got their own homegrown champion in 890 00:52:22,039 --> 00:52:25,519 Jiwon Ednis, and hopefully they'll put on a big show. It's a you 891 00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:30,519 know, it's it's funny because there hasn't been, at least in my time 892 00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:31,880 of covering boxing. Obviously, back in the day, there was a lot 893 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:36,320 of big shows in regular boxing in Philly all the time, and there are 894 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,039 still a lot of like smaller club type shows that take place in and around 895 00:52:39,079 --> 00:52:43,760 the city, but there hasn't been a lot of like world championship level boxing 896 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,679 there in a while. I think about my own coverage, and I've been 897 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:51,199 to several fights in Philadelphia, but not nearly as many as some other places, 898 00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:53,599 and it's been a while since there's been a really big one. But 899 00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:58,000 this will be the biggest show in Philadelphia for the last several years, and 900 00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,639 you know, I'm happy to see it because as if you know the main 901 00:53:00,639 --> 00:53:04,480 event is Ennis against Crowley, you know, you gotta figure match will put 902 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,239 on some other other young guys. I'm kind of hoping, and I know 903 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,199 that he's still got to take care of his his well, I guess they're 904 00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:14,360 not going to do that, because I was thinking as Andy Kruz trains out 905 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:15,960 of the Philly gym with John Ennis, that maybe he'd be on there, 906 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,719 but I just realized that's not gonna happen because he's on the August third card. 907 00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,960 If this is not going to fight July twenty third and then right right, 908 00:53:22,119 --> 00:53:27,320 But there's still other guys that that that Mattriom has in the stable that 909 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,599 they can make a nice cart out of this, So that's exciting. I'm 910 00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:31,159 happy to see it. I think it's a you know, Cody. I 911 00:53:31,199 --> 00:53:36,559 don't think Cody Crowley really has a huge chance to win necessarily, but because 912 00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:37,559 of the style he fights, and it could be a fun fight to watch. 913 00:53:38,039 --> 00:53:43,199 And I am on the record that I believe this guy is a star 914 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,880 already. I kept calling him the biggest star in boxing without a world title. 915 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:52,599 Ennis now has one bestowed on him here at the moment, but he's 916 00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:54,480 he gets a chance to defend it. I love the skill set, the 917 00:53:54,519 --> 00:53:58,360 punching power, the Philly background. They don't pay me to say this. 918 00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,320 I'm interested in watching the fight later this year. Let's get him back in 919 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,880 the ring, and let's get bigger fights going in the welterwhite division. I 920 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,400 agree. I mean, he hasn't fought in you know, He's fought in 921 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,280 a lot of different places, and he has fought in the Philly area, 922 00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,760 but he hasn't actually fought in Philadelphia since twenty eighteen. Which is way before 923 00:54:13,159 --> 00:54:15,400 he was, right right, much less than a title holder, but even 924 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,039 like you know, top top contender, that was still back in his sort 925 00:54:19,039 --> 00:54:22,039 of prospect days. So you know this, hopefully for him it will be 926 00:54:22,039 --> 00:54:24,360 a big coming out party, be a big homecoming extravagans, and hopefully you 927 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:28,400 don't get caught up in the hooplah. And I've seen guys get caught up 928 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,599 in that hooplah the homecoming and forget oh, by the way, I gotta 929 00:54:30,639 --> 00:54:34,119 fight and ended up losing. I was there when the name Regis pro Gray 930 00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,679 come to mind recently with his title defense in New Orleans. That was an 931 00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,519 ambient. It was you just no, at least he won the at least 932 00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:44,400 he won the fight. Though, I'm thinking of like when Jared Hurd had 933 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:49,599 the homecoming right you know, in the next town over roughly where I lived 934 00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:53,119 in Fairfax, Virginia, and it was a celebration of Jared Hurd's career. 935 00:54:53,519 --> 00:54:59,719 And yeah, exactly, Williams, you gotta you gotta watch out for that, 936 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,239 you know. Agreed, all right, speaking of hoopla, let's do 937 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:07,239 some nostalgia and let's get out of here. It is seventeen years ago on 938 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:12,000 Sunday the fifth, as we released the podcast Cinco de Mayo, and really 939 00:55:12,039 --> 00:55:15,800 the first mega one of these on Cinco de Mayo was Floyd Medwether Oscar de 940 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:21,360 Lo Hoya. You right there, No, it wasn't no, not to 941 00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,320 this extent. All right, we'll give me one that was bigger before that. 942 00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,119 Then there's a ton of fights that took place in segu Tomo. This 943 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,480 just happened to be the biggest fight in the history of boxing at that moment 944 00:55:30,519 --> 00:55:32,159 with money, which is what I just said, Thank you for paying attention. 945 00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,280 It was the biggest one two date to that date because of the pay 946 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:42,440 per views it did and the amount of money that it did seventeen I misunderstand 947 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,960 there's been lots of major fights on single Demayo agreed, But to this point 948 00:55:46,039 --> 00:55:50,280 in seven, this is the one seventeen years ago. I don't want to 949 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,880 accept that. Seventeen years ago, before my twins were born. You were 950 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,360 there, yes, I was, and when Floyd came out, and I'm 951 00:55:55,400 --> 00:56:00,440 still sitting in the same hotel, but you've not been there. You've not 952 00:56:00,519 --> 00:56:04,039 been there for seventeen years since the Floyd fight. It just seems like it. 953 00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:07,679 I'm here for you. But when Floyd came out of the sombrero with 954 00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:13,000 the red, green and white trunks and shoes to go right full villain right 955 00:56:13,079 --> 00:56:15,320 at de la Jolla. That was tremendous in the buildings. But you were 956 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,719 there for all of it. Go ahead. He had been full villain the 957 00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,119 entire promotion. That's one of the things that built the fight. I mean, 958 00:56:21,159 --> 00:56:22,840 he you know, he did all through the press store. He did 959 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,599 it when he was calling Oscar out before they even had the fight made. 960 00:56:28,039 --> 00:56:34,360 This was a megafight of megafights. It was so you know, it crossed 961 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,840 over to the mainstream. It was on the front cover of Sports Illustrated the 962 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:43,719 fight to save boxing, which was complete bullshit because boxing didn't need saving much 963 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,440 less from this fight. But nonetheless, that's some of the popular narrative of 964 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,679 the time. They called it the World the Weights, which was hype but 965 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,679 actually was kind of true. Am I not correct? This was the first 966 00:56:53,679 --> 00:56:57,960 time? You will correct me if I'm wrong that HBO did the twenty four 967 00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,920 to seven and did the build up. I believe it was the first time, 968 00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:05,840 and it was phenomenal in hyping the fight for that couple of weeks two 969 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,639 or three weeks before the actual one, because the twenty four to seven access 970 00:57:08,679 --> 00:57:10,880 with the fighters, I think that was the first time they had done it, 971 00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,239 and it was wildly successful in building the fight up, which was the 972 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:19,760 whole idea. Twenty four to seven was fantastic, absolutely fantastic, and that 973 00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,440 was the first one. I mean, it got to a point where twenty 974 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,760 four to seven was now doing of shows and you know, mini series. 975 00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,679 This was a four part series, but they would do them over and over. 976 00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:32,199 So by the time you had seen say Floyd or Manny pak Yah or 977 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:37,000 one of the other popular fighters that was on pay per view in their you 978 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,599 know, multiple chapter of twenty four seven, it kind of got redundant and 979 00:57:39,639 --> 00:57:45,199 repetitive. They still was produced beautifully, but the first one was spectacular. 980 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,320 Was put it like this, It actually made news those of us who were 981 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,480 boxing journalists, you because we didn't know the We didn't see the episode before 982 00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:53,400 it aired. They might have pre you know, because they were doing it 983 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,840 in real time essentially right that you would have to watch it when it aired 984 00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,360 live on Sunday night. And by the way, ad that time, HBO 985 00:58:00,559 --> 00:58:04,840 was still a juggernaut with like the Sopranos, and Sex and the City, 986 00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:07,880 and they would put twenty four seven right in the wheelhouse of that Sunday night 987 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:12,719 programming block and it would do a huge numbers. There were there were episodes 988 00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,519 of twenty four to seven, both in terms of Oscar and Floyd as well 989 00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:21,800 as some subsequent series that the ratings for the preview would do bigger numbers than 990 00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,559 like a live fight. And it's obviously much much cheaper to produce, you 991 00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:28,400 know, a half an hour you know, docu series like that than to 992 00:58:28,519 --> 00:58:34,239 produce and pay license fees for gigantic boxing matches. So that was a really 993 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,679 big deal when it happened out in terms of the and also they did a 994 00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:39,280 big press tour. Remember they came. One of the stops was in Washington, 995 00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:43,440 DC, So obviously I went into, you know, to take that 996 00:58:43,519 --> 00:58:46,280 in and they did in the Union Station, which is the big train station 997 00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:50,719 and right on Capitol Hill in Washington, and there was like a million people 998 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,840 who just travel through there every day that knew about this fight because of the 999 00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,599 fact that they were doing this in front of them as they're walking by, 1000 00:58:55,639 --> 00:59:00,320 I mean, just non boxing people. This was an astronomical fight and when 1001 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,679 it was over, it had. You know, it's been subsequently broken obviously 1002 00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:07,559 by fights like Floyd Mayweather and Connor McGregor and Floyd Mayweather against many pacap But 1003 00:59:07,679 --> 00:59:12,800 at the time, this fight shattered every single record you could conceive of, 1004 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,119 whether it was the gate, the sponsors, the pay perview overall. In 1005 00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:17,679 fact, it was such a big pay per view and it's the only time 1006 00:59:17,679 --> 00:59:21,159 I can ever think of that this ever happened. I think it is the 1007 00:59:21,199 --> 00:59:23,599 only time that's ever happened. That was back when they would announce the pay 1008 00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:27,880 per view numbers, especially if they were usually successful, they'd put out a 1009 00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,119 number on this fight. I believe they announced two point two million, which 1010 00:59:30,199 --> 00:59:34,480 had never been a fight that had exceeded two million, So it blew away 1011 00:59:34,519 --> 00:59:37,840 everything. And it was like the highest pay per view of time too, 1012 00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,559 so the revenues were like off the chart. A few months later that the 1013 00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:44,840 pay per views are still coming in from various sources. They actually sent out 1014 00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:49,239 an amended announcement that raised the pay per view total from the two point two 1015 00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,000 that I believe was the initial announcement to two point four million pay per views. 1016 00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:58,400 They made crazy, crazy, crazy money in this fight. Oscar had 1017 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,280 made huge amounts of money previously career, but this was the one that was 1018 01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:05,519 his biggest payday by far and away. And the twenty versse seven was so 1019 01:00:05,559 --> 01:00:08,079 great because he had the back and forth with Floyd's senior and with with Freddie 1020 01:00:08,119 --> 01:00:12,039 Roach and the two fighters, and you know, the totally different kind of 1021 01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:15,679 personalities. The fight itself, eh, it was good, but it was 1022 01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:21,480 it was not great, and Oscar had a tremendous opportunity to beat Floyd Mayweather. 1023 01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:25,320 His jab was superb that night, and it was like he knew it. 1024 01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,280 He had won a lot of rounds in the first half of the fight 1025 01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,840 and like his jab became a rumor after like round six or so, and 1026 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:37,480 Mayweather ended up winning. It was just if I recall it was a split 1027 01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:40,360 decision. One of the judges actually gave it to Oscar de l Hoya by 1028 01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:44,559 two points, but the other judges gave it to Floyd by seven five and 1029 01:00:44,599 --> 01:00:46,639 six four. So that's about his closer calls Floyd's had in his career, 1030 01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,719 and he had a lot of trouble with Oscar, who was mobile, who 1031 01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,119 was taller, who was longer, and when he used the JEB gave Floyd 1032 01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:57,039 all kinds of fits. So I'm not gonna say Floyd got lucky because obviously 1033 01:00:57,039 --> 01:00:59,280 the onus is on Oscar to get the jab rolling and keep it going. 1034 01:00:59,559 --> 01:01:01,639 But uh, you know, Floyd was close to losing that night. But 1035 01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:06,679 it's a signature win, one of the signature wins for Floyd. Oh you 1036 01:01:06,679 --> 01:01:08,280 want to talk about you want to talk about the star power. I mean, 1037 01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:12,760 you could not walk around the castlle what do you what do you recall 1038 01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,119 about who was around you and who was there around ringside that night? Give 1039 01:01:15,159 --> 01:01:19,840 me some names? Oh, I mean, I mean I get a lot 1040 01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,280 of the mixed up because I've seen so many of the superstars over the years, 1041 01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:23,480 but I mean all the Hollywood A lists, you know what I mean, 1042 01:01:23,639 --> 01:01:28,039 Like Gazelle Washington would frequently be at those fights. Yeah, I mean 1043 01:01:28,039 --> 01:01:30,199 those I don't know if he specifically was there, but certainly Tom Brady. 1044 01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,159 I don't know who they were, but I'm telling you it was like, 1045 01:01:34,199 --> 01:01:36,400 remember like looking around, like everybody was there. I think it was like 1046 01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,800 Brad Pitt and Angelina and Joelie were there. You know, Tiger Woods was 1047 01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:44,039 there and ye all kinds of from sports and from you know, from from 1048 01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,559 Hollywood and whether you're a TV star or movie star, these guys brought out 1049 01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:51,480 I mean it was huge, you know, just huge, huge anticipation for 1050 01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:53,400 this fight. Like among you. If I was making a list of the 1051 01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,440 forget about how the fight happened and what happened in the fight, whether it 1052 01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,719 was good, bad or otherwise. Just in terms of public anticipation for fights 1053 01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:05,039 I have covered, this was in the top few that there have been. 1054 01:02:06,039 --> 01:02:08,199 Love it all, right, one more piece of nostalgia. And you didn't 1055 01:02:08,239 --> 01:02:12,400 know that this was coming, but I did look it up because you love 1056 01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,400 this whenever we have it. So Monday, as we released the podcast, 1057 01:02:15,519 --> 01:02:19,800 is May the sixth. May sixth, nineteen eighty nine. One of the 1058 01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:25,559 all time greats, Roy Jones made his professional debut off the Olympics from the 1059 01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:30,760 previous year obviously in Seoul, South Korea, fighting your boy Ricky Randall, 1060 01:02:31,239 --> 01:02:35,440 and he knocked out Ricky Randall in the second round. The Hall of Fame 1061 01:02:35,559 --> 01:02:38,920 career of Roy Jones, I do not want to accept it. Rayphael began 1062 01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:45,519 thirty five years ago Monday, May sixth, nineteen eighty nine. How about 1063 01:02:45,519 --> 01:02:49,039 that with a little nostalgia. Well, on the podcast, I'll tell you 1064 01:02:49,039 --> 01:02:52,360 what about that. I have that program in my collection from Roy Jones's debut 1065 01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,079 What you Do. As a matter of fact, I and it's a valuable 1066 01:02:55,119 --> 01:02:59,320 program. I think I have three of them, actually, so one of 1067 01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,079 them is reserved for if I can get a trade or something that that's really 1068 01:03:02,159 --> 01:03:06,400 wants something like that, and I take an item, I'm I'm definitely willing 1069 01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,239 to trade one of those Roy Jones. Then there only you would have three 1070 01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:14,480 programs from his pro debut. Was that Pensacola his hometown? Was it Pensacola? 1071 01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:20,599 Fought so? Okay, thirty five years ago that Roy Jones debuted. 1072 01:03:20,639 --> 01:03:22,760 How about that? Well, I'll say this. I mean we were just 1073 01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,400 talking about Floyd Mayweather and his victory against Oscar de la Hoya. When I 1074 01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:30,599 think about the greatest fighters I have covered, I always say that it's Roy 1075 01:03:30,679 --> 01:03:32,960 Jones, and it's like he gets a slight, slight edge over Mayweather. 1076 01:03:34,039 --> 01:03:37,960 Not because in terms of their overall like Floyd probably will be ranked greater than 1077 01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:43,760 Roy in terms of the all time pound for bound. For me covering fights 1078 01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,400 of theirs in their prime, my perspective on who I believe was the most 1079 01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:51,440 talented fighter I covered at the time when they were still at their best, 1080 01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:53,880 right, I never seen and all listen, I'm not in any way, 1081 01:03:54,119 --> 01:03:58,800 so to stop with your IML Floyd hater bullshit. I have all ample, 1082 01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,199 massive respect for what it accomplished in his abilities. He's a great, great 1083 01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,679 fighter. My personal viewpoint is the most talented guy I ever saw with my 1084 01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:12,280 own eyes at ringside was Roy Jones period, more so than Oscar, more 1085 01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,320 so than Pacquil, absolutely well than anybody else. Pick I mean on Pacio 1086 01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:19,960 Hatton, I mean Paton, Patio, Oscar Hopkins, you you name it. 1087 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:24,199 I mean Shane Movery, Winky Wright, all the talented guys I've covered, 1088 01:04:24,239 --> 01:04:26,920 you know, the lower weight guys like Morales, Barrera, Marquez, 1089 01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:30,920 you know even Roman Gonzales and U and Ivan Calderoon. And take any of 1090 01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:35,400 the great skilled fighters that you want to talk about. Give you Roy Jones 1091 01:04:35,519 --> 01:04:42,400 Junior. Yeah, I mean just an for a period of time, untouchable 1092 01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,039 literally and if he didn't have a good ching, he didn't know it because 1093 01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:49,800 he never got hit. Love it, Love the nostalgia. I don't love 1094 01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:54,280 the fact that you had to spend an extra twenty four hours or so in 1095 01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,760 Las Vegas, but we made the most of it here on the pod, 1096 01:04:58,239 --> 01:05:01,800 Safe Travels, My Friendfully, it's not planes, trains and automobiles on Monday 1097 01:05:02,679 --> 01:05:05,559 as you make your way back to the eastern part of the United States. 1098 01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:10,039 Hopefully these are our travels. Yeah, well, we want you to be 1099 01:05:10,119 --> 01:05:13,039 on the flight and get out of there. And again we make mention just 1100 01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:15,079 once more as we did at the beginning of the podcast. We know that 1101 01:05:15,199 --> 01:05:17,639 you know, if you're a fight fan as Monday is going on, what 1102 01:05:17,719 --> 01:05:21,280 happened in the Naway fight. Read Dan Substack for his thoughts, social media, 1103 01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:25,360 etc. Will probably have a word or two to say about it on 1104 01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:29,719 the preview pod coming next weekend. Next weekend, Loma and Cambosis in action 1105 01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:34,840 in Australia two weeks from now. Fury Who's six week for the undisputed heavyweight 1106 01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:39,760 title. We love it and again make sure you're following subscribing Apple Podcasts, 1107 01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:44,119 Freaker, Spotify, Big Fight Weekend Podcast Feed Dan Rayfield, Safe Travels, 1108 01:05:44,119 --> 01:05:46,239 my Friend. Thank you great stuff on the pod about the Canelo win and 1109 01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:49,800 all else that went with it. I appreciate it as always, Thank you, 1110 01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:54,199 sir. There is Dan Rayfield. I am merely TJ Reeves, you 1111 01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,719 have been listening to the Fight Preach Unit Recap podcast