WEBVTT 1 00:00:15.519 --> 00:00:30.920 You're listening to the Getting Salty Experience podcast. Hello, Hello Sammy Peters over 2 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:35.320 chat, Captain Chaos and all you crazy guys and gals in the chat, 3 00:00:35.359 --> 00:00:39.320 and welcome back to be Getting Salty EXPERI it's rough. There's gonna be a 4 00:00:39.320 --> 00:00:42.399 good one. You know what I'm saying. I'm already pumped up. You 5 00:00:42.520 --> 00:00:47.000 pumped up guns got me pumped up already. Oh you want to you want 6 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:49.039 to go with more time again? All right, here we go. Let 7 00:00:49.079 --> 00:00:50.759 me go back to it because you caught me off. God, I think 8 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:59.920 you want to play him? Go cheap girls, get out cheating frocking? 9 00:01:02.679 --> 00:01:08.200 What engine goes? Now? Second? Sort? Second? Sort? I 10 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:14.359 got to take it second and I let it go a little bit more. 11 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:18.120 That's gone much. That's one of the brothers, and I don't what's want 12 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:30.200 with that? Wait for the game. Come on Goosebumps station. Yeah, 13 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:34.120 that was the the nineteen ninety one fourth of July special that they got Goosebumps. 14 00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:38.680 Yeah, I mean excuse me, going oksei'd still what do we say 15 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:41.879 about this show? Ruff? Guys gotta come on? Want to tell their 16 00:01:41.959 --> 00:01:46.560 stories right because once they're gone. Fortunately, we have a family member and 17 00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:49.959 we have chief Jay Jonas, who is a maniac when it comes to do 18 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:53.840 in this research. Bro, I'm probably one of the greatest fire fighters in 19 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:57.359 the history of the job. Unfortunately he's gone, but we're gonna have people 20 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:01.319 on to tell his story. And this guy got stories, man. I 21 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:05.920 tell you right now that that post that I put on, uh the social 22 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:09.080 media, it like blew up, Like I kind of know. I mean, 23 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:15.080 obviously everybody knows about him, right uh Cam Brown, But I don't 24 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:16.080 know that much about him, you know what I mean, just even in 25 00:02:16.120 --> 00:02:22.280 the pre show talking to to uh Carolyn, you know, like already you 26 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:23.960 get an idea just like in the early life of you know, how he 27 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:28.439 was and you know all that stuff is like that's the stuff I like. 28 00:02:28.599 --> 00:02:30.800 You know, my phone was blowing up today. You got to ask you 29 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:32.680 if this story was true. You gotta answer that story is true. This 30 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:38.319 story is true. So what did you what did you ask? You know 31 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:39.639 a lot we want to just know, you know, if he got beat 32 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:43.199 up when he was at school or whatever what you say. You know he 33 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:46.439 did get beat up. He never got beat up. Let's talk about the 34 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:52.199 guys that he beat up then, all right, plenty of them stay away 35 00:02:52.240 --> 00:02:57.639 from my sisters. See here. Uh right, we got to pay the 36 00:02:57.639 --> 00:03:00.759 bills. So let's play a couple of commercials. Then, oh all right, 37 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:01.599 we play that one. I'm going to tell you something. Go ahead, 38 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:06.280 send me something. Here we go. 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Let's go come out and see 64 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:16.560 me and ROOFIEH. February second to fourth, twenty twenty fourth. The Nashville 65 00:05:16.639 --> 00:05:23.120 Coliseum in Uniondale for the Long Island Metro Fire ems X Bowl. A lot 66 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:27.240 of guys from the show will be there. Milner always comes, Fat Daddy, 67 00:05:27.399 --> 00:05:31.040 Frankie comes up. We got a lot of guys. Why ray, 68 00:05:31.079 --> 00:05:34.680 maybe Johnny'll come. A lot of guys from the show turn out come on 69 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:39.040 maybe maybe maybe or not. I don't know. There might be some drinking 70 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:41.639 in the booth. Possibly could be. I don't know. We have a 71 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:43.879 good time, so come up and see it. It's not a far drive 72 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:48.519 on the second to the fourth, twenty twenty four Nasau Coliseum. All right, 73 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:50.519 you don't have to put it up down, so we'll make it it 74 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:54.800 was. We're we're loaded with pictures, so I would have to delete one. 75 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:57.879 No, no good, All right, ruff, Let's bring our guests 76 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:00.000 in. So, not only do we have a man who did some investigtion, 77 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:01.560 we have a person who lived in the same house as a kid with 78 00:06:01.639 --> 00:06:04.199 him. You know, he was probably stealing food off a plate. Who 79 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:08.560 knows what was going on in that household? Right, So let's breame in. 80 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:13.160 Rough. All right, coming to the stage, we have Carolyn Brown 81 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:25.079 and Chief j Jonas. I called you the wrong last name man, that's 82 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:31.399 okay. Shorthouse, Yeah, well shorthouse, I'm a brown god dammit. 83 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:38.920 Stop. All right, let's get to the patriotic before we get lost in 84 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:41.240 the sauce over here, because we got lots to go through and the chiefs 85 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:45.680 got to get dinner on the tables having shrimp pomp to night. Oh here 86 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:58.360 we go, Oh see can see by the Jones? Lie? What's u? 87 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:11.199 Prole? We had had the Twilight's Last leave me whose broad stripes and 88 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:27.720 bride stars through the pass five or the red but we watch we're so gaan 89 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:46.600 Lee streaming had the rockcket raglive the bobs bursting hate gay fruit through the night 90 00:07:47.959 --> 00:08:01.040 that our flag was ste there. Oh say does that stops? Spell gold? 91 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:30.399 God for the all they and of the bread m j Alton Baldwin. 92 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:33.840 All right, guys, so Chief, is it fair to say there are 93 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:37.360 legends and then there are legends on the job, right, and this guy 94 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:41.399 would probably be in the upper tiers of legends from this job we were an 95 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:45.960 honor to walk amongst him. Well, yeah, just chea like Chief Norman's 96 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:50.080 write his book what was it working with giants or something like that? Just 97 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:52.799 like this guy, right, amazing end. He was a legend when we 98 00:08:52.799 --> 00:09:00.879 were working with Yeah, it's crazy. He was pretty special guy. Well 99 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:03.840 how special was he? Carolyn? At home? Where'd you guys grow up? 100 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:07.279 Where did you guys grow up? What was life like? We talked 101 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:09.600 a little bit about the pre show, right, was he giving you what 102 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:15.759 Willie's what was? No? No, No, I was a baby. 103 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:20.840 I don't know. Maybe he did. I don't know. Where did you 104 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:24.919 guys grow up? We are Queens Village. But when I was five we 105 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:31.360 moved out here to Westbury and he never and then he you know, he's 106 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:37.840 crazy and he enlisted in the Marines at sixteen, and yeah he did. 107 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:39.759 He could. He had to go, you know, he just he needed 108 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:43.440 it. Anyway he was. I heard that he was, you know, 109 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:48.000 not doing well and being a high school kid kind of guy. Right, 110 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:50.399 He never went to school out here, and my dad signed the papers to 111 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:54.519 let him go and so he went. So that's what kind of So my 112 00:09:54.600 --> 00:10:01.879 childhood I never saw him. Oh wow, how many did a few years? 113 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:09.200 Yeah? So he was over there? Sorry the national anthem? Yeah, 114 00:10:09.399 --> 00:10:13.600 so he was in Vietnam when I was younger. So what year did 115 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:16.519 he go in? At sixty and help sixty sixty something. He came out 116 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:22.440 like, I guess seventy four. So just sixty nine, seventy four something 117 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:24.799 like that. I'm not even sure those numbers. The Chief will have those 118 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:28.240 numbers. Yeah, you probably do, everyone asked me. I said, 119 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:35.399 I don't know, but Chief probably knows. He joined the Marine Corps nineteen 120 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:39.799 sixty nine, okay, yeah, sixty nine, right, okay, he 121 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:43.919 went right over to Vietnam from the Chief. No, he did not. 122 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:48.759 He got an assignment that he hated. They want him, he was smart. 123 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:54.320 They wanted him to work on computers or something. Those of the papers 124 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:58.200 my father signed that he wanted to be a grunt. And my father signed 125 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:01.519 the papers. He was seventeen, Is that right? Yeah? You probably 126 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:07.320 yeah, yeah, and uh, people to send him to Vietnam, and 127 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:11.279 yeah, he wanted to be there. He didn't want to sit in a 128 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:13.080 room. So you had guys trying to get out of it, and you 129 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:18.559 had him writing letters. My father, My father said, I wrote his 130 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:20.679 death certificate, you know, al he said to get him in and and 131 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:26.279 then what happens, right, But yeah, what what what? What? 132 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:28.000 What was your dad doing? What was what kind of work was he doing? 133 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:35.879 He's a fair FBI agent. Yeah, in New York. Yeah, 134 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:41.320 yeah, it goes way back, Mike. I'm sorry. Pat was born 135 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:46.919 in Chicago because my father had a job there, and then then he worked 136 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:50.440 with Bobby Kennedy and you know how it goes down the line there and then 137 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:54.519 uh so he's in d C. And then they came to Queens Village and 138 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:58.480 that's, like I said, I'm way behind. So I was born in 139 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:03.480 Queensville. And you had another brother though, right, Mike, Yes, 140 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:05.519 how where was he older or younger? What was he in the He was 141 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:09.720 ten years older. They were like Irish twins, you know. Oh yeah, 142 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:13.480 the old Irish twins going on there. Yeah, almost, yeah, 143 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:16.759 he was. He was in the ft and wife a little bit. But 144 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:20.279 then he became a doctor. He was a trauma doctor. He was a 145 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:26.919 trauma doctor in Vegas. But because of nine to eleven. He died in 146 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:31.360 twenty twenty because of the cancers, right, chief. Did he ever make 147 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:37.080 it over to Vietnam? He spent two tours of duty in Vietnam. Oh 148 00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:41.399 so he did those letters worked and he wow, oh my god, how 149 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:45.559 young he looks. I hope you can make it maybe, right. I 150 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:52.399 love that picture was all right, you know, so he had he got 151 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:56.679 up to the rank of sergeant and uh yeah he was the man. He 152 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:05.879 h yeah, he he was the real deal. You know. He only 153 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:09.639 did one tour, did two tours, you know, so at a time 154 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:16.879 when it was going crazy, you know, yeah, sixty seventy sixty nine. 155 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:18.399 See, even if it took him a couple of years, it was 156 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:26.759 still roaring. Yeah yeah, yeah. So yeah, he uh just talking 157 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:33.120 to other guys who knew him, and he always embraced his time in the 158 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:35.960 Marine Corps, you know that. You know, like he had he had 159 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:39.639 to get dressed up for in his class as for something with three truck to 160 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:43.720 go to the commissioner's office, and the guys were kind of apologizing to him 161 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:48.320 that he had to get dressed up. I'm not I'm a marine, yeah, 162 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:56.840 Carol. Did he talk about the Marines a lot? No, of 163 00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:00.879 course not. Yeah, those guys don't usually talk out of school. Yeah. 164 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:05.600 So if he was seventeen, I was seven and six. So so 165 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:09.120 yeah, when he came back, he told me he didn't even never talk 166 00:14:09.159 --> 00:14:13.600 about it. You could see it. He was angry. Yeah, but 167 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:16.159 he took that out and did the right thing with it right? Yeah, 168 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:22.120 yeah, yeah, I just found out he was a tunnel rat. Like 169 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:28.639 last year really so yeah, I don't know people, maybe people didn't want 170 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:30.559 to tell me. I don't know why, but all of a sudden I 171 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:35.720 found out he's a tunnel rat. He wasn't a big guy, so it 172 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:41.360 makes sense. Yeah, tough son would be though. Oh hell yeah, 173 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:48.799 Well go back to uh how he got interested in the fire service when he 174 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:54.320 was living in Queens, in the Middle Village, Queens, he would go 175 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:56.480 to the neighborhood fire as he jump on his bike, go to three or 176 00:14:56.480 --> 00:15:01.279 four and want lat of one sixty two and they would talk to him about 177 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:07.120 and he had a he had a scanner in his bedroom. Correct. Oh 178 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:16.240 absolutely, oh oh yeah. Okay, do you want a cute story. 179 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:22.639 Do you want a little story about that? Okay, okay, So I 180 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:28.879 heard my dad coached the little league, so he would be in the outfield 181 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:35.039 and whatever, it's just whatever. And then if the the the Engines went 182 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:39.320 off and he heard that they had a call, he would jump on his 183 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:43.039 bike and leave. He just like put down his and just leave the game 184 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:46.919 and follow the Engines. And then they said so they called him ding. 185 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:56.480 Donk gonna kill me for that one, but yeah, but that's what they 186 00:15:56.519 --> 00:15:58.799 called him. They he would hear the Simons go off and be gone and 187 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:03.120 all them all over all, right, Like, what do you do with 188 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:07.559 these two boys in literally they're yours, you know, yeah, yeah, 189 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:15.559 wow, Yeah, you guys didn't hear about the rescue they did as explorers, 190 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:19.840 him and Williams. But Williams I didn't hear when they were in Explorers. 191 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:26.200 They were an explorers and they got to the fire first and they saved 192 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:30.759 people in a nursing home. It's in the Daily News. You can look 193 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:33.440 it up, these pictures of the two of them. Little kid, he's 194 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:36.799 making grabs, bro, some people they grabbed before the fire department got there. 195 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:40.639 They got there on their bikes and there's a picture of them from the 196 00:16:40.679 --> 00:16:44.559 Daily News and the firemen put their coats on them. Yeah, it's really 197 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:48.000 cute. I have it downstairs. But some kids, some people, guys 198 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:53.480 don't make a grab in a whole career. He's making before yeah, yeah, 199 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:57.200 exactly, him and Butch Williams. Who Yeah, they have a great 200 00:16:57.200 --> 00:17:00.240 picture. That's like, I'm gonna try to look it up at Daily News. 201 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:03.960 What year was that. Oh gosh, okay, I was gonna try 202 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:07.759 to pull up a picture of it. True, I uh, well before 203 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:11.359 well, no, the kids, it's got to be a sixties, right, 204 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:15.279 early sixties, mid sixties, late late late Wait, no, that's 205 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:18.720 Vietnam. R. It's gotta your early sixties, sixty five, sixty three 206 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:22.880 somewhere on there. No, sixty when you go to Vietnam, Like, 207 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:27.240 would you say sixty nine? So m hmm, yeah, a few years 208 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:30.559 before that. I don't see if anything comes up. Can you imagine being 209 00:17:30.559 --> 00:17:33.799 a kid a father'st team. He's n FBI. Listen, kid, you 210 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:37.200 strike out again. I got pictures of your whole family. You're got to 211 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:42.079 kill them all. I know where you live. Well, his uh, 212 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:48.920 his, his dad, Carolyn's dad was a former minor league baseball player, 213 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:55.359 Yes, for the Yankees. Yeah, when it was farm teams. When 214 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:59.319 it was a farm team, he was a catcher. And he only got 215 00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:03.799 the out beat out by Yogi Burr. Wow, if you've got to be 216 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:07.200 beat out exactly. And I just heard that like five years ago. I'm 217 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:11.319 I got it. And the guys in three truck no before I know that. 218 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:14.359 That's how he didn't get in your family. It's just a gift that 219 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:18.839 keeps out your full time. Oh and my my father actually had a scholarship 220 00:18:18.920 --> 00:18:23.519 to Niagara playing the basketball. Look at that. And then he became a 221 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:30.279 baseball player after the war, and then a fed so great man. Next 222 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:32.359 week you're going to find out that he was one of the first guys on 223 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:37.640 the moon. Did you know that? I'm strong? What are you talking 224 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:45.480 about? You know, my dad's name is John Pershing brownn Pershing because my 225 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:52.559 grandmother had a crush on John Jay Pershing. We're all family there. My 226 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:56.960 father is forty six when I was born, so we're older family. Yeah, 227 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:03.519 gonna find out about John Pershing, John Brown. Everything is JP is 228 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:08.599 John Patrick. Now it's John Pershing. It's like the best name ever over 229 00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:15.240 there. I don't know remember having any minor league baseball players come to visit 230 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:22.200 you. Yes, oh my god, No, it's not minor league. 231 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:27.559 Whitey Ford remembers him, Yeah, no, not minor major. White Ford 232 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:33.119 he caught from my Whitey Ford when he was in the former league. Yeah 233 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:37.039 yeah, yeah, yeah, and white he always remembered him. We saw 234 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:40.480 him a few times after nine eleven. He signed some stuff for me when 235 00:19:40.480 --> 00:19:48.559 I was doing fundraising. Yeah. Yeah. When they joined the explorer post, 236 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:52.279 they were sponsored by Engine three to Zho two and that's when he met 237 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:56.559 Butch Williams. Right, Oh is it? Yeah? Yeah, you know, 238 00:19:56.799 --> 00:20:06.200 I don't look at all the history just here with They would go to 239 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:14.559 drills and everything, and they would compete against other other explorer posts at the 240 00:20:14.559 --> 00:20:18.799 Fire Academy on the weekends. What would they have to do stretch lines and 241 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:22.000 stuff, Yeah, climb ladders. Who knows what they had him doing, 242 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:26.880 you know, but uh, you know, I I got to you know, 243 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:30.440 Maddie Daily was one of the guys in the Bronx. You know, 244 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:34.240 I was talking to him and uh he said he said that, uh, 245 00:20:34.799 --> 00:20:37.759 that Patty Brown kid was thrown in our side. He kept beating us, 246 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:45.400 you know. Yeah, right, So they have they have explorers in like 247 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:48.319 every borrow or something. Is that what it was. I kind of get 248 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:52.920 that feeling. Yeah, they've definitely had one in Queen's and one in the 249 00:20:52.920 --> 00:21:00.000 Bronx. So he's buffing out on his bike making then he becomes an explorer. 250 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:03.680 That's two tours, and he goes a couple of doors in the Vietnam 251 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:07.279 and then he thinks he wants to be a fireman. Doesn't this happen to 252 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:14.400 everybody? He always wanted to be He always did. He always wanted to 253 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:18.359 be a fireman. Yeah, always. That's why he went Vietnam. He 254 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:22.279 was expecting to go right in and it didn't happen. So that's where fiber 255 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:26.039 troll came in. He always wanted to be a fireman. He was born 256 00:21:26.119 --> 00:21:33.720 one. When when he was in the Explorers, he would he would have 257 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:37.200 the scanner on in his house and if they would hear a multiple come in 258 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:41.440 from for Manhattan or the Bronx, him and his buddies would jump on the 259 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:45.079 bus of the subway and go to the fire in the middle middle of the 260 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:48.960 night. That's a passion, bro. Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. 261 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:52.480 I used to chase the sign of my neighborhood when I heard her go off. 262 00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:56.200 I was on my little bike and I wasn't working. No, I 263 00:21:56.240 --> 00:22:00.279 wasn't making grands, but I was chasing fire trucks tore over Vietnam. I 264 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:06.400 don't little mill a couple of yellow bastards, then I'll come back and join 265 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:11.640 it. Caroly, did he ever join the volunteers out there or talk about 266 00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:15.480 No, No, my brother, Mike was a volley out here. That's 267 00:22:15.519 --> 00:22:19.319 how I know my husband. He was a volley with him, but only 268 00:22:19.559 --> 00:22:23.640 we're only married ten years. So that's another story. But so you fish 269 00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:33.200 from those waters. I see it, and he doesn't watch the show. 270 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:34.480 Does your husband watched the show? He doesn't know about the show. He's 271 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:38.799 a volley. No, I haven't watched it. I follow you guys, 272 00:22:38.839 --> 00:22:44.640 but I haven't watched it. No, you know, but we will now 273 00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:52.720 we both will. Now a short house, short house, trying to peek 274 00:22:52.759 --> 00:23:04.200 in here. I've been you guys, Brown, how many times have been 275 00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:07.559 called missus Brown? Like no, no, no, no, I'm no 276 00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:18.680 talking about your husband missus Brown, all of them all of course. Yeah, 277 00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:22.480 he got my dogs now wondering what's going on? Like, who am 278 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:30.599 I talking to? Knucklehead to the chief? Yeah, earlier you mentioned go 279 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:37.119 ahead. Uh, Patty Brown being like this guy who was shot showed up 280 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:41.000 at every major incident. Well it started even before he got on the job, 281 00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:47.039 when he was in the you know, when he's in the Explorer scouts. 282 00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:52.359 That's when the twenty third Street collapse happened in nineteen sixty six and his 283 00:23:52.680 --> 00:24:00.599 uh, his explorer Scouts were able to be in the funeral formation on Fifth 284 00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:07.440 Avenue for the Saint Patrick's Cathedral. And uh. Interesting, one of the 285 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:14.559 Bronx Explorer Scouts. Uh, a guy named John Ry Carrey Uh became a 286 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:21.559 Yonkers police officer, and he became a bagpiper for the Yonkers Police Department. 287 00:24:22.279 --> 00:24:30.319 And he asked for and he received permission to play at Patty Brown's memorial service. 288 00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:37.799 And he played the bagpipes, you know, forty five years ago after 289 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:42.000 they stood at the nineteen sixty six twenty third three collapse, right at the 290 00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:48.960 same spot. Wow. WOWY never knew that, I know, Rinse he 291 00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:55.440 played on wedding there you go. Yeah, yeah, I've never heard that 292 00:24:55.599 --> 00:24:59.680 that story. That's awesome. Yeah, it's the same spot, exact spot 293 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:07.720 where they stood he got to play at at the well, he can't. 294 00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:10.319 He wants to go right into the fire department. Right, had he taken 295 00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:12.200 the test or before he left? Or how do you get on the job, 296 00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:15.880 because he went to the fire patrol first, right, So he got 297 00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:19.640 out in seventy seven, so he was he had already taken the test. 298 00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:26.240 Uh huh. With the layoffs and the fiscal crisis state, they just they 299 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:30.279 just delayed and delayed, and you know, uh, I think the last 300 00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:34.119 class is to be hired off the old listen in nineteen seventy seven. So 301 00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:40.920 and that was probably filled with guys who had military time, right, Uh, 302 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:42.839 you know, they they jumped in, you know, because you had 303 00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:48.480 you know, we'll get into it. Guys like Jay Fischler and and uh, 304 00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:55.000 you know, guys like that had had time and this they they got 305 00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:57.319 into the fire department after that, you know, assuming they got back. 306 00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:07.519 But then he got into Fire Patrol one on West thirtieth Street. He actually 307 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:14.039 got to Fire Patrol before he went to Vietnam, so he got interrupted when 308 00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:18.160 he was in the Marines. When he was in the Marines, he went 309 00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:23.400 into the third Engineers Battalion. Once he got to Vietnam, and when he 310 00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:27.680 was in Vietnam here and the Combat Action Ribbon and the Vietnam Service Medal. 311 00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:33.480 But when he got discharged from the Marine Corps, he was reinstated in the 312 00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:38.359 Fire Patrol on July eleventh of seventy three. So that' said pretty much just 313 00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:44.759 the time when he got back back to civilian life, he was reappointed on 314 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:48.880 the same order. Says a well known name in the fire department, Greg 315 00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:52.039 Bucciera. If you know Greg enough, Yeah, trying to get him on. 316 00:26:56.279 --> 00:27:00.160 Let's go. They were both assigned to Fire Patrol one and they both 317 00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:06.799 had ambitions of being fireman in the FDN WINE. They jumped on the fire 318 00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:10.400 department in the empt program and you know they were allowed to jump get in 319 00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:14.599 on that, and both of them took the tests to become fireman. Both 320 00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:22.640 would eventually be called to the FDN WINE. When Patty returned to civilian life 321 00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:26.160 from the Marine Corps, he decided to take up the sport of boxing. 322 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:33.920 During his time in the Marines, he practiced boxing and martial arts and now 323 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:37.279 he's going to start working out the famous Gleasons Boxing gym down the block from 324 00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:42.599 Fire Patrol one. His brother Mike would would work out with him in the 325 00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:48.319 ring. Eventually Patty would become a contender in the Golden Gloves Tournament. While 326 00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:52.480 working out at Gleica's gym, he would spar with professional fighters. One of 327 00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:59.599 the most famous firefighters he sparred with was Roberto durant hear in the respect of 328 00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:03.519 those who saw him fight at the gym, I guess that's why he never 329 00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:11.680 got beat up cool. You know, I had somebody had sent me a 330 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:15.920 text chief that at one time. It's a llegend anyway, that he hit 331 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:18.759 Duran with a body shot and put him down to one knee, and Durans 332 00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:25.960 never been down before, so I don't doubt it. Yeah, that's a 333 00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:32.480 rocky moment, right, yeah. Yeah. The I remember reading something that 334 00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:36.119 I didn't put it in newsletter. I don't know why I didn't, but 335 00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:41.079 it's a great story. He was working out in Gleason's gym and he got 336 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:48.079 pummeled and he got his faces all welted up and everything, and uh he 337 00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:52.279 walked up down the block to fire patrol and h he was as happy as 338 00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:59.960 a clam, you know, because the guy who slugged him had some credentials, 339 00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:07.480 might have been reverd of the by somebody who was really uh good, 340 00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:15.880 good. Yeah. Yeah. The another great story. Again I didn't put 341 00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:19.279 it in there, but it's a great story. It was he he was 342 00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:23.680 in three truck and he got deep into yoga, right right, Carolyn, 343 00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:32.079 Yes, very involved in He's on the cover of Yoga magazine somewhere and uh 344 00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:38.440 he uh, I think he was just leaving the firehouse going to you know, 345 00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:47.079 the yoga studio, and uh, the the guy who relieved him sees 346 00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:52.880 saw him in his yoga garb and everything is his matt and getting ready to 347 00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:56.480 go. And the guy who relieved him says, oh my god, Pat 348 00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:02.079 he used to like go to glease his gym and jump rope in box and 349 00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:06.839 guys, and I think and he said, chicks don't go to Gleason's gym 350 00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:11.960 exactly. That's how he tried to get three chunk guys to go to the 351 00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:19.759 to yoga. It's full of chicks. Come on, he was never married, 352 00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:26.640 right, Carolyn, No know that. I didn't know that. Oh 353 00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:29.839 listen, he's going to yoga for chicks. While would he get married? 354 00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:33.160 Bro? You know what I mean? Yeah? Right, Captain on the 355 00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:40.119 why the handsome guy roller, he's very quiet. He wasn't his you know, 356 00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:45.559 yeah, he didn't. He wasn't a He didn't brag about anything. 357 00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:52.319 He's very humble is the word I'm looking for. Yeah, yeah, like 358 00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:56.039 I said, you know, he uh before he actually got on the fire 359 00:30:56.039 --> 00:31:02.319 department, he's he's making grabs, you know. And this was Joan when 360 00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:04.720 he was in fire patrol. They were assigned to some of the same boxes 361 00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:10.680 in their area. There were times of fire Patrol would operate side by side 362 00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:17.000 with the New York City Fire Department. On May nineteen seventy seven, Fire 363 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:22.000 Patrol one was called Dever Bathhouse Fire at twenty eight West twenty eighth Street. 364 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:27.279 I wrote a newsletter about that too. On duty fire patrol was Carlos Rivera, 365 00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:33.200 George Menar, Danny Nastro, Jimmy Coyle, and Patty Brown. Patty 366 00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:38.319 Brown made entry several times into the smoke field building. He found two unconscious 367 00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:44.079 patrons in the swimming pool area. He removed them and performed CPR on the 368 00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:48.960 two persons. Patty Brown had to be removed by ambulance after searching the smoke 369 00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:53.759 charge occupancy and performing CPR. And there's him being loaded into the amble. 370 00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:59.200 Crazy man, that's just crazy. I only heard half of that story. 371 00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:07.519 I didn't know was the he's making twelve year old. I found the video. 372 00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:10.119 It's in the blood, right, it's in his blood. Yeah. 373 00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:13.720 I found the video of this the other day with him actually treating him on 374 00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:17.119 YouTube, so it's on there. You got to be in the right place 375 00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:20.119 at the right time. But we say all the time, you got to 376 00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:22.240 execute man. You still have to be able to do that, you know, 377 00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:24.960 it's got to be in there. Yeah. Yeah, to be doing 378 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:30.839 that before you even actually on the job is like, it's just silly. 379 00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:36.319 This is what it is. This is what somebody wrote. Somebody wrote me. 380 00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:38.920 The fire gods seemed to know when Patty was working. They throw some 381 00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:43.359 airs kicking job out there and say, let's see how he handles this one 382 00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:47.960 I want to execute. You know, you still got to get it. 383 00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:51.319 You could be in the right place at the right time, but and then 384 00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:53.279 I pull it out. You know, these guys always have a nose for 385 00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:57.079 it though. They're always in the right place. Oh, he always did. 386 00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:00.160 He always did. Seems like those war guys too, Like those those 387 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:04.519 I remember a couple of guys when I got on, they just had a 388 00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:09.400 different swagger. You know, they just were calm and they just yeah right, 389 00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:14.559 but they do it right and they done. They get it done every 390 00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:16.759 time. And you know, even when it was crappy, he just felt 391 00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:22.359 comfortable around those guys. You know, well, in the commer they are, 392 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:25.359 the more their their antennas are, you know, they're seeing things that 393 00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:30.799 other people aren't. Well focus, right, Yeah, somebody wanted off that 394 00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:35.359 Collins Vera was the same one that became commissioner. No, it was Hank 395 00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:44.039 was asking. Yeah. Jimmy Coyle, who worked with Patty Brown at at 396 00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:46.880 the fire patrol, what asked Patty Brown to be godfather to his son, 397 00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:53.240 Jimmy Coyle Jr. Jimmy Coyle Jr. Later became an FDNY fireman. Patty 398 00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:57.720 Brown uses influence to get him to sign with him at lat of three. 399 00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:00.480 Jimmy Coyle Jr. Was working a lot of three on nine to eleven. 400 00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:13.199 Yeah. I talked to the parents many times that super chat there. My 401 00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:15.440 cousin Paul the Mardies say that, right, who was a close friend of 402 00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:20.480 pat sends his regards tonight. He was Pat's karate instructor. He says, 403 00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:22.559 he will be tuning in for the show. I don't know if I pronounce 404 00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:25.119 that guy's name, right, Apologize if I don't. If I didn't karate 405 00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:34.079 boxing, he was a yogi. Thank you, Tom. Holy crap, 406 00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:38.840 you guys are talking about he taught self defense for the blind. Yes, 407 00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:46.519 I never knew that, and uh I self defense to blind. Yeah, 408 00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:51.440 And I didn't even know he taught karate and all that stuff. To children, 409 00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:55.039 and I didn't know that till a few months after a month later when 410 00:34:55.039 --> 00:35:00.360 I was invited to the whole the whole ceremony, I know, idea, 411 00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:06.679 and they were giving me this karate. He trophies from around the world that 412 00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:12.559 are sent to me in his crystal from Peru. He was in the Sato 413 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:16.960 Sato Karate, which is worldwide, and I have stuff downstairs, like from 414 00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:22.760 all countries in his honor. Wow. Yeah, And then he was doing 415 00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:25.440 that. I'm like, and all the kids got up and sang. I 416 00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:29.880 was I didn't know what was happening, and we didn't even find him yet. 417 00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:32.440 I'm like, what the hell is happening here? So I was done, 418 00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:37.800 you know, obviously, like what's going on? Like? Who are 419 00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:42.719 these people kind of teaches karate to the blind roof? Yeah? Yeah? 420 00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:47.480 Self defense. I'm like, he didn't teach me self defense? And at 421 00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:51.760 that time I was legally blind. I'm better now, but at that time 422 00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:53.440 I was not. I couldn't see, And I'm like, he didn't come 423 00:35:53.519 --> 00:36:01.199 teach me. He was your self defense? Uh, make well called Patty 424 00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:05.719 listen, I got a problem with Joey's me. You never see Joey again 425 00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:10.679 or my dad, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, that could make 426 00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:15.880 you guys disappear. You know. This is from Scott. Patty brought me 427 00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:20.440 to suspend his bar in the early eighties. When we walked in, he 428 00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:22.840 was like, no him from cheers. Everyone called out his name, and 429 00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:24.360 he just gave a shy wave and grabbed us a seat in the corner. 430 00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:29.760 Oh yeah, I still go there. I was going to ask if you 431 00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:31.920 went there. Well, he took me there when I was in high school 432 00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:37.440 and he was a doorman, and I heard stories there where he kicked somebody's 433 00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:40.360 ass and all that. Of course, chase somebody down the street, you 434 00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:46.639 know. But I became friends. The waitress is now the owner, and 435 00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:57.199 it's called bravest On thirty eight and it's it's yeah Wanda, and yeah right. 436 00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:00.480 I ran into there. I ran into them. I was doing something 437 00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:06.239 for the memorial petitions or something, you know, and we just walked in 438 00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:10.639 there and I didn't remember it, and Patty's pictures all over the walls, 439 00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:14.960 and I was like, oh, now I remember. Yeah, I was 440 00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:21.960 sixteen, I mean I mean friends now, I mean eighteen, I mean 441 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:23.480 twenty oh yeah, yeah, well yeah, it would have been eighteen then, 442 00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:29.920 so it was easy to get in, right, So chief, he 443 00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:31.519 gets into Provy School in seventy seven, or where we at? Is it 444 00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:35.519 more before that is? You're making more grabs and five patrol as you do 445 00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:42.519 a root profest? What's he doing? Fun? He got through Provary School 446 00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:53.159 without making a grab. Slacker he was. He would carpool with a really 447 00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:59.239 well known guy in Lower Manhattan in thirty three, entry Carlo Reggio. They 448 00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:04.119 were carpooled back and forth from uh to go to Proby School. He graduated 449 00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:10.079 Proby School and uh he got assigned to a lot of twenty six in Harlem, 450 00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:16.880 and Uh, A guy who was in his class before him was Jay 451 00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:23.800 Fishlook there he is, look at him, Look at the chief, holyrel 452 00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:30.880 baby Fish And a lot of twenty six was well known as the birthplace of 453 00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:36.400 latters three. And yeah, o'reagan is that who wrote it? O'Regan? 454 00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:40.000 John o'reagan? Yeah, and he was senior guys such as Bill Stewart, 455 00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:46.159 Larry Fitzpatrick was in twenty six struck at the time. Lieutenants Joke Curry and 456 00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:51.559 Tom Kennedy would make every day learning experience, you know, and uh, 457 00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:54.679 that's it's quite a list of guys got that pick back up again? How 458 00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:58.920 do you get that? Chief? Did you have a hook? Well, 459 00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:08.079 I'm sure his connections with the fire patrol. I'm sure somebody says this is 460 00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:13.880 a good place for you to go. He looks salty there as a proby. 461 00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:19.119 For God's sake, I think it's the Gary Lake Man. It's white. 462 00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:25.559 I think it's quite white. A great interview I did in preparing this 463 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:30.679 newsletter was with my good friend Ralph Fagel. We were in the same study 464 00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:37.199 group together for years and uh they were young firemen together, and Patty Brown 465 00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:40.000 would not only absorb the lessons being taught to him, he would teach them 466 00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:44.960 to others as well. The proby that came into the fire factory about a 467 00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:49.360 year after Patty was Ralph Fagel. Ralph was assigned age of fifty eight. 468 00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:52.679 Patty would take the time to teach Ralph what he knew. And keep in 469 00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:54.920 mind, he's got one more year on than Ralph, does you know? 470 00:39:55.280 --> 00:40:00.559 Yeah, but three three more grabs too. Yeah. Yeah, he's got 471 00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:06.079 a long history of he's already got a rack on his promium. Yeah. 472 00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:10.400 One time Ralph had the nozzle and was awaiting the forcible enterteam from night of 473 00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:15.039 twenty six to force to open the fire apartment door. Patty Brown was on 474 00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:19.719 that forcible entry team. As soon as the door was forced, Patty put 475 00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:22.760 his head on the floor. He then told Ralph, hey, Ralph, 476 00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:25.239 put your head on the floor and look. Ralph was able to see deep 477 00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:30.559 into the flight by putting his head on the floor as Patty instructed. Ralph 478 00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:35.440 Hagel made some interesting observations about his time working with him. He noted that 479 00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:39.000 Patty had a unique skill set that he brought to the fire ground. He 480 00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:45.039 was able to evaluate a situation quickly. He never saw a firefighter search and 481 00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:50.039 apartment faster than Patty. He wasn't reckless, He just knew where he was 482 00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:55.239 going through his knowledge of layouts and size up and his instincts. It seemed 483 00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:59.880 as if he always knew where to go. Ralph would go on to say 484 00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:05.360 that because Patty brought so much of a unique skill set to the fire there 485 00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:07.599 were rescues that were made that may not have been made if Patty was not 486 00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:13.239 working. Ralph Fagel would continue in his praise of Patty Brown by saying, 487 00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:15.519 if I were trapped to the fire, I would want Patty Brown coming for 488 00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:22.599 me, me too. That's about Wow. Doesn't get higher praise than that, 489 00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:27.199 right, I was just going to say that chief, I mean fireman, 490 00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:31.320 you know, to pick you know, I always say all the time, 491 00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:35.000 you know, who's the top three guys coming for me? You know, 492 00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:39.199 those guys are the real deal guys. And like we said that, 493 00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:44.559 those guys have an instinct for that. You know, they're just always in 494 00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:45.920 the ripe. Seems like they're in the right place at the right time there. 495 00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:49.840 You know, you think they're lucky, but that's not the case. 496 00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:52.920 You know, No, they're not lucky. Maybe a little bit, but 497 00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:58.760 they're making they're making do with every scenario that's possible. You guys, they 498 00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:00.679 got to be in the right spot at the right time. Well he was 499 00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:05.840 in the right spot. Hey, he's always in the right because he puts 500 00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:15.960 himself of the race spot he was. But uh yeah. He would always 501 00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:20.679 stress positioning of individual firefighters. This is a lesson that Patty would pass along 502 00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:27.480 to firefighters when he became an officer. Position position position. Patty Brown of 503 00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:31.519 the Latter six Latter two to six made his first rescue in March thirty first, 504 00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:38.440 nineteen seventy nine, he received the Class A award. A couple months 505 00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:43.280 later, on March seventh, nineteen eighty, he made another rescue in which 506 00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:46.239 he received the Class three. He made two more rescues, one on April 507 00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:51.719 second of eighty one and one on June twenty fourth of eighty one, which 508 00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:57.639 he received Class A awards. People were starting to notice the young firefighter rescue 509 00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:04.800 one recruited Patty and was assigned thereby of eighty two and back then back then 510 00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:07.880 to get a three or an A. But I'm just saying, oh, 511 00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:10.639 yeah, he had those in a couple of years at the firehouse there. 512 00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:16.239 But but to get a medal, then think about like what, I don't 513 00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:19.960 want to take away from what guys do today, but we're going to a 514 00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:22.719 lot less fires than those guys were going to, you know, and his 515 00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:24.639 chances are greater because he's going to more fires. Well, it was, 516 00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:29.519 but it was kind of like old hat, like, you know, how 517 00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:35.719 extraordinary something would have to be back then to warrant an A or three if 518 00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:37.840 I'm saying that correctly, right, I mean they were going to a lot 519 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:43.440 of kick ass jobs, yeah, and to stick out to be to get 520 00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:46.039 a medal at something. It would have to be really an incredible feat. 521 00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:51.679 I would imagine back then, some guys wouldn't put themselves in right, they 522 00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:52.440 don't want to be well, that's what I'm saying. Like it was, 523 00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:54.880 it was kind of like part of a job, you know what I mean, 524 00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:00.480 extra ordinary. There were lieutenants and captains. They wouldn't write anybody else. 525 00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:05.519 Yeah, it could be the busiest a lot of company in the city 526 00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:08.079 and they wouldn't write them up. That's your job, kid, you have 527 00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:12.920 to write him up. And I'm not again, I'm not taking away, 528 00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:16.320 but if those guys were going to so many fires and it would have to 529 00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:21.800 be something so like crazy to be noticed, That's kind of what I'm getting 530 00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:24.440 at. Like, so to get metals, it would have to be something 531 00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:35.480 so crazy, kidding me two in the same day, kidding, And then 532 00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:37.920 he's asked to be he's asked to count the rescue one and with five years 533 00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:42.960 on, right, chief, Yeah, well you're already noticed. I mean, 534 00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:44.880 you know, oh, he's got to be noted. It has to 535 00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:47.880 be a who. Kevin said something like the only place you didn't make a 536 00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:59.119 grab was in yoga class. For godsake, y good one, good one, 537 00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:01.559 guys, A couple of grand show. Yeah, it's a family show. 538 00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:08.119 Keep on, hey, hey, do try to pose out. So 539 00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:13.119 who was the captain there when they when they recruited him. I think Brian 540 00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:19.800 o'flowery, oh flow, who passed away about a year ago. This tune 541 00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:27.039 last year. Interesting while at a ceremony at the Fire Academy, how do 542 00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:32.039 you ronnic conversation with Lieutenant John Vigiano of Rescue two. Both men were former 543 00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:37.079 Marines that had a lot in common. Lieutenant Giano convinced farming Patty Brown to 544 00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:42.800 put his transfer into a rescue too. The transfer to Rescue Too became official 545 00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:46.800 May eight of eighty three. Wow, he wasn't even a rescue one that 546 00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:50.400 long, Hey, fellas son, Patty Brown, Oh, I'll see you 547 00:45:50.679 --> 00:46:00.000 too, Probably a better jobs right in Brooklyn. But he was, uh 548 00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:04.000 this Brian Flowery right there? Put that back up. Yeah yeah, yeah. 549 00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:09.239 And that's Kevin sha Kevin Shay, Yeah yeah, Kevin Shay with that 550 00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:16.360 head of hand bro look at that guy able to crowd. Yeah, so 551 00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:22.639 he came back as lieutenant though to one. Yes, yeah, well that's 552 00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:27.199 that's a picture. That's Mario Cuomo, right, there the former governor. 553 00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:32.519 Ye, and they were presenting some sort of an award for the rope rescue 554 00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:38.239 on uh uh that we'll talk about in a little while. So we only 555 00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:45.079 have eighty two more medals to go through before we get yeah, something like 556 00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:49.039 that. So this was the picture I was looking before you get I heard 557 00:46:49.039 --> 00:46:57.079 you mentioned Joe, so it was look at that Ashshagan. Yeah, yeah, 558 00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:00.480 yeah, I figured who's the guy next to Joe and the reporter. 559 00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:09.079 I'm not sure. I'm not sure right, Oh, sorry, you want 560 00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:10.719 to go back to that? There you go? Can you make it up? 561 00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:19.760 Sorry? No, not sure, No, no, long time, 562 00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:23.480 okay, I wasn't around then. And I noticed a lot chief on the 563 00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:30.519 job. Is that the military guys, they like to get the military guys, 564 00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:35.639 right, that's they just like the discipline of that. They just like 565 00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:40.119 that whole well, they walked the same right, right. That's what John 566 00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:45.719 Hopkins did with us my career. That's what they just gravitate towards that, 567 00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:50.400 just because like it's the same, you know, same seed, you know. 568 00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:58.679 And I am sure that uh Patty Brown's makeup was his time in the 569 00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:05.480 Marine Corps. Sure that made him a better fire man. You know so. 570 00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:07.440 Yeah, if you're sitting there taking on fire, you know, like 571 00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:14.280 gun fire, it kind of makes fighting fires a little less uh scary. 572 00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:16.679 It's all gravy, right, all gravy, Yeah, all gravy. Man, 573 00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:22.519 you're sitting in a fox hall and then you're worried about down a baseball 574 00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:28.639 gravy. Bro. Yeah, Charlie Chan's running out. You're screaming, bro. 575 00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:32.360 It's the truth. Man. Those guys you couldn't shake them. Man, 576 00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:36.920 you couldn't shake those guys when they can't you know. It was I 577 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:39.840 only work with a few, but those guys were hot charges man. Yeah, 578 00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:45.440 man, I don't imagine. Interesting. Along those lines of the discussion 579 00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:52.360 was Patty made it to rescue too. He was befriended by fireman Jack Cleehouse, 580 00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:54.719 who was frequently out. Never heard of them, never heard of them. 581 00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:01.159 He's coming looking at him. We are. I would recall how easy 582 00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:07.119 going, uh pat was and he didn't speak ill of anyone. Both men 583 00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:12.079 were Marines and that went to Vietnam. After a short discussion, Jack felt 584 00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:15.840 that he knew him for a long time. So there you go, count 585 00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:25.400 right, woe unassuming guy and just easy that keeps popping up throughout his career. 586 00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:29.440 You know that people expect one thing of him and they meet him and 587 00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:36.800 he's completely He's not an opera singers. Those two guys one and two, 588 00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:43.360 one, two and three. Right, Chief, imagine having a oh my 589 00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:50.760 god, rescue truck full of those guys, go get him. What are 590 00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:52.679 you doing the year the Chief and these guys show up? I mean nothing. 591 00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:58.639 You don't worry about nothing. Oh my god. Whatever the problems I 592 00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:00.920 have, they're about to be solved. Yeah, Oh my god. And 593 00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:06.639 how about you put Chief Downy in, Yeah, Chief Downy, Captain over 594 00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:10.360 there, or Captain Gallagher or any of those guys. Holy mackerel, come 595 00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:15.599 on, yeah, one look at Patty Brown in his class at uniform. 596 00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:19.679 You cannot help but notice the amount of ribbons on his coat. Patty Brown 597 00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:27.360 received all his individual awards within a ten year span of time. Every individual 598 00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:30.639 award was for an act of heroism while he was in the rank of fireman. 599 00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:36.840 Really. Yeah, he didn't get anything after he was an officer. 600 00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:45.000 Wow. Really he He was awarded four unit citations after being promoted to lieutenant. 601 00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:50.639 Oh okay, I didn't know that. Sorry, Well, no individual 602 00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:52.800 awards, you know, let me see that wreck. Can you get that 603 00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:55.079 racked there? No, that's as big as a picture gets. No, 604 00:50:57.280 --> 00:50:59.960 I have a story, a little story. He said he wouldn't wear them 605 00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:04.679 all because they felt too humble to wear them all, because it looked ridiculous. 606 00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:07.880 And other people said, it's like bragging if he wore them all, 607 00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:19.280 and then other people say, well, he would have fell over. But 608 00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:24.880 listen to this. He was awarded seven class bs, four Class a's, 609 00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:31.079 four class threes, oh my god, and one class too. He was 610 00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:37.280 awarded five medal day medals. Can you imagine that? No? I can't. 611 00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:43.440 I can't. Ten years in ten years, yeah, and ten years. 612 00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:52.360 The fact that he didn't speak anything as an officer is uh, probably 613 00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:55.199 has a lot to do with him. I probably didn't want to put himself 614 00:51:55.239 --> 00:51:58.519 in for anything. He put his guys in. He put his guys in 615 00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:04.440 absolutely. Yeah. And you you want to say, no, it wasn't 616 00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:07.119 me, it was this guy. Yeah. Yeah. I spoke to guys 617 00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:10.280 at three Truck about that, and they said, yeah, that's true. 618 00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:15.519 Yeah, Wow, that's amazing. Man. You don't find you guys like 619 00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:17.719 this anymoment. When he is get back to guys like this in this country, 620 00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:23.280 please for crying out loud. Can you put that put that that picture 621 00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:25.400 back up when with the captain, when he was a captain. Now, 622 00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:34.840 I just want to look at the guy's chin. Bro's just me. That's 623 00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:38.079 my dad too. You look chin. Yeah, it looks like one of 624 00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:50.119 those action figures when you were a kid, A Brown Carolyn, exactly exactly 625 00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:55.400 that. He looks like he's chiseled out of st getting salty Patty Brown action 626 00:52:55.519 --> 00:53:04.880 figure. A million of a Look at the mustairs, right, bouch, 627 00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:08.679 Wow, eighties. Everybody had a mustache in the eighties. Yeah, yeah, 628 00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:19.000 yeah, all right, bothrough the rock Metals nineteen eighty one he got 629 00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:24.599 I got all these this information from Fire Department Metal Day Books. Nineteen eighty 630 00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:29.000 one. He got the Doctor Robert A. Sineli Medal. While assigned to 631 00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:31.199 a lot of twenty six, he was the ov at a fire and upper 632 00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:36.079 floor of six story old law tenement. Fires coming out of the windows on 633 00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:38.880 the fourth and the fifth floors. He could hear trapped occupants on the top 634 00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:44.360 floor fire escape. They were cut off by fire. Fireman's Brown's passage up 635 00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:49.519 the stairway on the fire escape was also walked. Fimon Brown jumped into the 636 00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:55.119 on the railing of the fire escape and grabbed the structure of the fire escape. 637 00:53:55.800 --> 00:54:00.639 He swung on the fire escape from side to his side to get to 638 00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:05.519 make it to the top floor to avoid the fire encroaching on the fire escape. 639 00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:07.639 He made it to the top floor and rescue too. Peter, that's 640 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:16.320 that's like daredevil, that's a spider man. It's more and more like unbelievable. 641 00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:21.000 You're taking yourself out. That's it. You know, somebody might say 642 00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:24.519 you're making this up. There's no way this guy was swinging, swinging on 643 00:54:24.639 --> 00:54:30.599 his freaking fire escape with his year on. Put that other picture up that 644 00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:34.519 you have God on the Yeah. First, that's why I thought it was 645 00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:37.559 the Balcony's why I grabbed it really quick. But I thought that that was 646 00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:42.840 related to that. Oh God, he was crazy. You gotta be a 647 00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:46.119 little crazy man like you to be all right. Nineteen eighty five, the 648 00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:52.639 doctor J. W. Goldenkrantz medal the signed to rescue Too after being driven 649 00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:57.320 off the top floor of a loft building fire to to extreme heat. He 650 00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:00.599 responded to an urging message from the roofman on the ladder. One eighteen, 651 00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:05.119 he and three other roofmen were cut off and trapped by the on the roof 652 00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:08.239 from the heavy fire condition on the top floor. Fireman Brown went up the 653 00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:13.719 fire escape, past the venting fire and made it to the roof. He 654 00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:17.480 guided the trap firefighters to the fire escape by his boys. He made sure 655 00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:22.719 all the trapped firefighters were off the roof as he descended in the uh as 656 00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:39.000 he wow, uh, take up, come back in all right there where 657 00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:43.119 we send them the pro some of the proceeds of the of the Patty Brown 658 00:55:43.159 --> 00:55:53.480 ashing figure. We're not making that check out the shorthouse, I'm telling you, 659 00:55:55.679 --> 00:56:05.280 jee Yeah, yeah, okay, When did I lose you? When 660 00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:08.000 he was coming back down the fire escape, he went past fire on the 661 00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:13.679 fire skates going off the roofs coming back down up heavy fire vented out the 662 00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:17.079 window and burnt Patti Brown. He got burnt and he was admitted to the 663 00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:22.000 burn center. Mm hm, I remember that. Yeah, yeah, I 664 00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:24.519 didn't touch that beautiful face though, I can tell you that much, bro. 665 00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:30.039 Anywhere it went it was in his lungs. Oh yeah, because he 666 00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:35.800 was while he was yelling to everybody, this is my story. Uh, 667 00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:39.519 it went down the throat the fire. Yeah, and they they called me, 668 00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:44.880 and I'm out here in Westbury and I'm a kid, and they say, 669 00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:47.679 oh, well, we could come get a car for you, and 670 00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:51.119 I'm like, now I'm gonna say I was planning to see him tomorrow with 671 00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:53.960 his girlfriend. I didn't even take the car. I didn't realize how bad 672 00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:58.840 it was, right, So next day I saw him and the burn unit 673 00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:04.480 is, oh, god, awful obviously, and you know he told me, 674 00:57:04.599 --> 00:57:07.039 Yeah, the guys from whatever fire house they brought mckaysey beer and he 675 00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:12.880 was okay in his old days. Yeah, the guys were all here. 676 00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:15.719 Well, you couldn't come last night. I'm like, I didn't know how 677 00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:17.960 bad it was. I was a teenager. The next day and he had 678 00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:25.840 a different girlfriend there. Yeah, probably line them up, Oh yeah, 679 00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:30.880 all right. Nineteen eighty six, The signal seven to seven fire belt club 680 00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:36.760 metal designed to rescue too While searching the third floor of a Brownstone, I 681 00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:39.159 found the hidden stairway up the fourth floor. He and his partner, Fireman 682 00:57:39.239 --> 00:57:43.880 Al Washington, made their way up to the top floor. Heavy smoke and 683 00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:49.239 high hete made their search difficult. Fireman Brown heard the moaning of the trapped 684 00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:52.360 doccupant. He found a thirty five year old man who was burned and unconscious. 685 00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:59.519 Fireman Washington helped fire and Brown remove the victim to the street. Nineteen 686 00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:04.559 eighty eight the Frank Criddle Medal assigned to rescue too. Fiming Patty Brown and 687 00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:08.840 his partner Charlie Williams searched the fire apartment on the ninth war Fireman Williams founder 688 00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:15.400 man mister Wendell Lewis. While removing mister Lewis, another trap person was heard. 689 00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:21.679 Fiming Brown kept removing mister Lewis as Fireming Brown passed the fireroom. The 690 00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:25.239 firefighter, containing the fire with a can, ran out of water and his 691 00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:31.320 extinguisher. The fire blew out into the hallway of the apartment. Fiming Brown 692 00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:37.440 shielded mister Lewis from the fire and his face piece of his CBA got knocked 693 00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:42.639 off. Fiming Brown made it to the public hallway and administered CPR to mister 694 00:58:42.760 --> 00:58:46.679 Lewis. Mister Lewis was revived. Fireing Patty Brown would be treated for first 695 00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:52.519 and second the gree burns and smoking elation. Wow wow, he took his 696 00:58:52.599 --> 00:59:01.119 lumps Man absolutely. The nineteen eighty eight Brooklyn City's Medal while he was assigned 697 00:59:01.119 --> 00:59:06.079 to rescue two fiming. Patty Brown went up to the area ladder to the 698 00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:08.360 floor above the fire. As he climbed the area ladder, fire blew out 699 00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:13.880 the window directly below the tip of the aerial. Fireman Brown dove through the 700 00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:19.800 fire and into the window on the floor above the fire. Fiman Brown found 701 00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:25.000 an unconscious child aged two and followed the voice of Fireman Peter Hasseler Latter one 702 00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:29.960 oh two, who was at the tip of the area ladder. Fiman Brown 703 00:59:30.039 --> 00:59:35.320 headed the child off to Fireman Hassler. Fiamon. Brown went back into the 704 00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:40.280 flat to continue searching for the track occupants. Fireman Brown fathered another unconscious child 705 00:59:40.519 --> 00:59:47.000 aged five. Fiman Brown removed the second latter one eleven's bucket. Fireman Brown 706 00:59:47.079 --> 00:59:52.599 re entered the flat again. This time he found uh the two previous children's 707 00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:59.760 mother near exhaustion. He was assisted in removing the mother by Fireman Joseph for 708 01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:08.280 three GRIBs in world three grabs one five Holy crap, Yeah you and Kidden, 709 01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:15.199 I never heard the whole story. Yeah it is crazy. Yeah yeah. 710 01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:20.800 The fireman Patty Brown would be promoted to the rank of lieutenant on August 711 01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:25.079 eighth, nineteen eighty seven, he would be assigned to Battalion one six as 712 01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:30.960 a covering lieutenant. He would transfer to SOAK on August eleventh of nineteen ninety. 713 01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:37.159 He would eventually be assigned to Letter twenty eight. Is a lieutenant another 714 01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:40.159 great spot back up the hall of him? Yeah, yeah, right, 715 01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:50.119 and here's the rope. Rescue Manhattan Box third Alarm eight three seven on May 716 01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:53.719 fourteenth, nineteen ninety one. On the morning of May fourteenth, ninety one, 717 01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:59.119 Rescue one was dispatched to a structural fire seventh three seven seventh Avenue. 718 01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:05.760 Was Lieutenant Patty Brown covering fire m Kevin Shay fire and Bruce Snowberry. Uh 719 01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:09.760 that that guy in the end of that picture was Bruce Newberry. You go 720 01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:19.880 back yes, yeah, yeah, left yeah, Shall Fireman Pattio keep Fireman 721 01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:25.000 Kevin detail from Rescue two and Fireman Patty Barr, who was a detail from 722 01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:30.360 latter forty five. Lieutenant Brown saw a heavy black smoke coming from the twelve 723 01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:34.199 floor windows of the twelve story building. Through the heavy smoke, a man 724 01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:37.840 could be seen at a window in distress. Battalion Chief John McDermott of the 725 01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:43.159 Knight battalion ordered Rescue one to the roof to attempt the rescue. The members 726 01:01:43.199 --> 01:01:47.519 of Rescue one climbed the stairs to the roof. Lieutenant Brown had Fireman Taldell 727 01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:53.480 and Fireman o'keep go to the floor of the firefloor into attempt to rescue via 728 01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:59.599 the interior. The remaining members went to the roof to start the life saving 729 01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:02.840 rope operation. Lieutenant Brown put a call over the radio that they're starting a 730 01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:07.920 rope rescue. While sizing up the roof, Lieutenant Brown noticed that there was 731 01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:13.360 no substantial objects to tie the rope off to. Lieutenant Brown formulized the plan 732 01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:16.840 to have Fireman Shay lie in the roof and attach the rope to his personal 733 01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:22.559 harness. Three other firefighters would hold down Fireman Shay as Fireman Bar lowered. 734 01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:29.280 The was lowered via the rope to make the rescue. As Fireman Patti Barr 735 01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:32.480 was about to dismount the parapet, he told Lieutenant Brown, don't let me 736 01:02:32.559 --> 01:02:40.480 go. Lieutenant Confidence voice, you're okay. Fireman Barr was lowered on the 737 01:02:40.599 --> 01:02:47.519 rope and rescued by rescue mister Jose Galiagos from the top floor. But now 738 01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:51.360 there was another rescue to be made. This time the victim was on the 739 01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:55.000 exposure four side the What's forty eighth street side. Mister Peter Lewis was in 740 01:02:55.039 --> 01:03:00.480 a precarious position with fire moved closer to him. Well Ted and brown over 741 01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:06.760 the same rope to be used that have Fireman Shay be the rescuer. This 742 01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:09.760 time, Fireman Raymondcormick of lad OF twenty four arrived at the roof and would 743 01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:15.280 become the lowering firefighter. There was still no substantial object to tie off to 744 01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:21.639 biom and Shay would dismount the parapet dangling from the life saving rope. He 745 01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:25.280 completed the rescue of mister Lewis just in time. The remaining firefighters on the 746 01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:32.199 roof would hold down Fireman McCormick during the lowering operation. Firefighter Patrick Barrow would 747 01:03:32.239 --> 01:03:37.679 be awarded the Emily Trevor Mary B. Warren Metal for his actions at Box 748 01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:42.480 three three eight three seven. Fireman Kevin Shay would be awarded the U Bonna 749 01:03:42.559 --> 01:03:46.239 Metal for his actions at Box three three eight three seven. Rescue one would 750 01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:52.119 be ordered awarded a Unit Citation for their actions at the box. I mean 751 01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:54.719 that right there, that's the picture right there. Yeah, that's got to 752 01:03:54.760 --> 01:03:59.760 be, Chief, that's got to be one of the most memorable rescues. 753 01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:01.719 Uh. I mean because it was spelled documented right. There was a lot 754 01:04:01.719 --> 01:04:06.559 of pictures of it. And I was working that day in eleven truck and 755 01:04:08.199 --> 01:04:14.320 the deputy it was an inspection day twenty eight and eleven to go to this 756 01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:20.960 fire Manhattan. I never saw a fire. Yeah, in the World Trade 757 01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:26.519 Center. Obviously capture the imagination of the public. The waters far Oh. 758 01:04:26.599 --> 01:04:29.880 My people were clapping right when film Patty Barnes in the window. It's like 759 01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:39.519 an eruption of applause. I wouldn't hell yeah, yeah, I want to 760 01:04:39.559 --> 01:04:42.440 know how he got his big castalgs in that window after, you know, 761 01:04:43.079 --> 01:04:49.159 Holy carrying him around. He's got a shopping car for him. God, 762 01:04:49.239 --> 01:04:53.599 you've got a short video of that. It's not sure. It's about seven 763 01:04:53.639 --> 01:04:56.480 minutes. If you want to watch it, I have the entire They speed 764 01:04:56.519 --> 01:04:58.719 it up a little bit, just throw a little bit on. Okay, 765 01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:03.039 let me do that. Chief. Every time I everybody, that picture always 766 01:05:03.079 --> 01:05:09.199 comes up. It's like an iconic uh, just iconic uh fire. You 767 01:05:09.239 --> 01:05:15.679 know, sorry, just be careful because you probably get hit up the we'll 768 01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:20.280 just be right with that. Ah, we'll do we won't we bring it 769 01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:25.639 to the end. We'll just hanging off the the grab them. Yeah, 770 01:05:25.639 --> 01:05:29.320 we could do this right right there, right there, explored Wild, the 771 01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:34.719 other victim, weighted day, Okay, desperately trying to get the attention, 772 01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:39.079 like he tries to punch out the glass, right out the glass. Yea, 773 01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:45.320 he mentions it. He doesn't have the greatest grab on this. Yeah, 774 01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:50.480 like that, I can imagine. You know what's so scary? Chief 775 01:05:50.519 --> 01:05:53.800 with that rope on the tension like that? Right, We used to talk 776 01:05:53.840 --> 01:05:58.400 about it all the time. How just it only takes this one piece of 777 01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:01.000 glass to come out of that? Just to say that rope it would be 778 01:06:01.039 --> 01:06:10.920 all was that Manila material. It wasn't even the we have today nylon rope 779 01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:24.000 anytime, give it a wave here you go anymore any other roof because they 780 01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:28.639 couldn't get up here. Now I didn't have Kevin in there too, No 781 01:06:30.639 --> 01:06:34.480 I didn't. We don't want to get any trouble or some copyright. I 782 01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:43.559 played too much. We're trying to interesting both Fire and Kevin Shea and Fire 783 01:06:43.639 --> 01:06:47.840 and Patty bar told me that these two rope rescues were successful due to the 784 01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:55.159 planning, leadership and decisiveness of Lieutenant Patty Brown. Wow. Lieutenant Patty Brown 785 01:06:55.320 --> 01:07:00.000 had a command presence at this fire. He was presented with an unusual situation 786 01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:05.280 to distressed occupants in danger from jumping from the twelve floor. Lieutenant Brown improvised, 787 01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:11.199 overcame and adapted. Well, they didn't have a substantial object, right, 788 01:07:11.239 --> 01:07:15.639 I mean they used that they used human bodies to hold them body weight. 789 01:07:16.280 --> 01:07:23.039 Yeah, said they like lifted up and he thought, go over and 790 01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:27.960 quote unquote they used the same rope to h yeah, you know, to 791 01:07:28.079 --> 01:07:33.559 rescue somebody else, which is uh uh yeah not but I heard they're not 792 01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:43.199 supposed to use a rope twice. Jose was in our limo for the funeral. 793 01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:47.360 Really, is that right? Yeah? Yeah, wow, wow, 794 01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:58.719 Yeah, just a sidebar was detailed to rescue one on the tour was killed 795 01:07:59.039 --> 01:08:05.719 in the lining through the is just make mention of that. So all right, 796 01:08:06.119 --> 01:08:10.639 you know this is stuff that you know, he probably could have got 797 01:08:10.719 --> 01:08:13.360 a medal for that, you know, and he didn't. You know, 798 01:08:14.119 --> 01:08:15.600 the next one certainly could have got a medal for it. He didn't, 799 01:08:16.079 --> 01:08:23.159 you know. So you know, there are fires that he went to that 800 01:08:23.960 --> 01:08:26.159 he could have gotten medals for it, and he passed him off to the 801 01:08:26.199 --> 01:08:32.960 other guys. Yeah that's him. Yeah yeah. Units on the Lower East 802 01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:36.439 Side responded to a heavy fire condition on the fifth floor of a sixth story 803 01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:43.000 old law tenement. Latter eighteen was the second due ladder Company UH. One 804 01:08:43.039 --> 01:08:45.560 of the guys in the Latter eighteen's force Blunty team got the James Gordon Bannon 805 01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:51.319 metal for this far. The FoST Launtry team became trapped on the top floor, 806 01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:56.680 the floor above the fire. Two of the three firefighters lost their helmets 807 01:08:56.720 --> 01:09:00.640 in a frantic effort to fourth century into the air of refuge that while they 808 01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:04.680 were being burned, one of the firefighters forced an apartment doors, saving their 809 01:09:04.760 --> 01:09:10.079 lives. Lada nine made it to the top floor and found the firefighter's helmet 810 01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:15.439 on the floor. All firefighters were ordered off the top floor due to intense 811 01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:21.119 fire extending there. The hallway was now lighting up. As the fire was 812 01:09:21.159 --> 01:09:27.520 extending, Lieutenant Patty Brown of Rescue one made an argument to Battalion Chief Richard 813 01:09:27.640 --> 01:09:31.800 Rittmeyer of the fourth Battalion to go back to the top floor. The thought 814 01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:35.600 was that there was still a missing firefighter. With the discovery of the helmet, 815 01:09:36.479 --> 01:09:40.960 both the Lieutenant Brown and Battanian Chief Rittmyer went to the top floor to 816 01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:45.359 search for the missing firefighter. They were on their stomachs to avoid the intense 817 01:09:45.399 --> 01:09:50.520 heat during the search on the top floor. Eventually, the formerly trapped firefighters 818 01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:57.319 were accounted for in an ambulance and the search was called off. Interesting to 819 01:09:57.520 --> 01:10:05.039 note Patty and Richard ritt Meyer Battian Chief Richard Grittmeyer, who passed away a 820 01:10:05.159 --> 01:10:12.720 year ago at this in nineteen ninety two, with two of the most highly 821 01:10:12.840 --> 01:10:16.439 decorated New York City farmen and the fire department. He had the two of 822 01:10:16.520 --> 01:10:23.159 them coming to get him. Wow, Richie, I got his medals in 823 01:10:23.319 --> 01:10:29.640 thirty one truck when it was South Franks was burning. He was He was 824 01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:30.760 quite a guy, you know. I heard that name too, but I 825 01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:33.960 didn't. I didn't know much about him. And I could I could see 826 01:10:34.039 --> 01:10:41.359 the convent. I just could imagine the conversation that Patty was having with Richard 827 01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:45.760 GrITT Meyer. You're going left, We got to go up there, we 828 01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:48.479 got to go back in. They found a helmet, and I could see 829 01:10:48.560 --> 01:10:55.640 Richie because it definitely out and uh, this is all right, you can 830 01:10:55.760 --> 01:11:00.760 go up. I'm going with you. And right Richie wasn't young man then 831 01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:05.800 yeah, yeah, right, you got And that was relayed to me by 832 01:11:05.920 --> 01:11:15.039 Richie Ripmyer. You know, so pretty special, you know. And Lieutenant 833 01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:17.960 Patty Brown would be promoted to the rank of captain on September twenty fifth, 834 01:11:18.119 --> 01:11:23.039 nineteen ninety three. Same day I got promoted to captain, he was assigned 835 01:11:23.079 --> 01:11:26.640 to the first Division. He would be signed to Angine sixty nine on May 836 01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:31.359 twenty first, nineteen ninety four, but a major fire happened in between the 837 01:11:31.479 --> 01:11:39.560 Watt Street fire. On March twenty eighth, nineteen ninety four, the Watt 838 01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:44.279 Street fire occurred, which took the lives of Fireman James Young of Engine twenty 839 01:11:44.359 --> 01:11:47.960 four on the day of the fire. Fireman Chris Siedenberg of Engine twenty four 840 01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:53.119 would die from his injuries the next day, and Captain John Driscoll of Latter 841 01:11:53.239 --> 01:11:58.439 five would be transported to the Burn Center. Captain Drennan had third and fourth 842 01:11:58.479 --> 01:12:01.520 to bre burns over sixty five the center of his body. Captain Patty Brown 843 01:12:01.600 --> 01:12:05.439 went to the Burn Cider and was a scientist the family Laison. He took 844 01:12:05.520 --> 01:12:09.479 care of the needs of John Drennan and his wife Viena, for the duration 845 01:12:09.640 --> 01:12:14.880 of John Drennan's fight John Drennen Ford a value and fight and on the fortieth 846 01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:19.319 day John Drennan's to come to his injuries. What kind of guy is that? 847 01:12:21.159 --> 01:12:27.680 Were they friends? I think they just knew each other right through the 848 01:12:27.800 --> 01:12:33.000 job. I think he was covering. He wasn't a scientist at sixty nine, 849 01:12:33.079 --> 01:12:36.760 yet I think he was covering in twenty four and five, you know, 850 01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:45.199 and you know, he just knew he wasn't assigned, that he volunteered 851 01:12:45.239 --> 01:12:50.479 to do that, and all the heartache that went along with it, you 852 01:12:50.560 --> 01:12:59.600 know, and trying to you know, trying to keep a Vienna Drennan functioning 853 01:12:59.680 --> 01:13:03.600 well. You know, you know it was if you were on the job 854 01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:09.000 that day, everybody was following you come into work. What's what's going on 855 01:13:09.079 --> 01:13:12.800 with John try? You know, right? And he was neck deep in 856 01:13:12.920 --> 01:13:15.479 it. Uh. There's a rumor out there too. I've heard these stories. 857 01:13:15.479 --> 01:13:20.119 I don't know it's folklore or whatever, that Patty Brown had whispered, 858 01:13:20.600 --> 01:13:26.920 uh to the captain that it's okay, we'll take care of your wife and 859 01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:30.640 kids or whatever it was, and then it's very true. That is true. 860 01:13:31.720 --> 01:13:38.560 My sister told my Mike's wife told him say Tom, it's okay, 861 01:13:38.680 --> 01:13:42.239 you can go. Oh yeah, because they were really good friends and he 862 01:13:42.399 --> 01:13:45.680 was doing this forty day thing with them or whatever forever and I'm at VNA 863 01:13:46.880 --> 01:13:51.159 after nine eleven and uh yeah. And she was a school teacher, so 864 01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:57.680 she wrote and wrote and wrote and uh sweet sweet woman. And he would 865 01:13:57.720 --> 01:14:01.439 go there was that's in the eight line thing too, is it. Yeah, 866 01:14:02.760 --> 01:14:09.439 we don't. Yeah, but he was with the kids every day, 867 01:14:09.760 --> 01:14:15.239 and there's pictures of him playing basketball with them, and he was really They 868 01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:20.359 would go and pray over him joining every day. And then he finally told 869 01:14:20.399 --> 01:14:25.279 it's okay, I have them, you know, I have your family. 870 01:14:25.520 --> 01:14:30.920 I having a It's okay go because like you said, he was so injured, 871 01:14:30.119 --> 01:14:33.319 like so I had to be a company thing. I mean even I 872 01:14:33.359 --> 01:14:38.640 can tell myself as you're speaking like that, if that, if you, 873 01:14:38.760 --> 01:14:43.079 if I was in that situation, you would almost feel, especially a guy 874 01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:45.119 like that, for God's sakes, Who's no, I can't leave my family, 875 01:14:45.319 --> 01:14:48.960 right, Yeah, But if you finally feel like you're hanging on and 876 01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:53.439 you're fighting and fighting and fighting, which he was. He was, you 877 01:14:53.520 --> 01:14:58.439 know, I remembers trying to be some ridiculous number that you know, nobody 878 01:14:58.479 --> 01:15:01.279 ever lives. Yeah, you know, even that long, like to fight 879 01:15:01.399 --> 01:15:04.439 that long. The captain I remember, you know, yeah, for his 880 01:15:04.520 --> 01:15:10.319 family to be you know right, and that is very true. Pat did 881 01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:14.479 say, you know, it's okay, I have your family. You can 882 01:15:14.560 --> 01:15:18.319 go be a piece the whole thing he laid over the back. Yeah wow. 883 01:15:18.880 --> 01:15:25.720 Yeah, So now we've got a saint to that. Yeah, to 884 01:15:26.560 --> 01:15:30.920 rap. I'm not going to promote anything now, but my brother about me 885 01:15:30.039 --> 01:15:33.319 right now, I'll tell you right now. It's it. My brother Mike 886 01:15:33.399 --> 01:15:36.800 wrote a book about the whole thing, and I think that's in it too. 887 01:15:38.560 --> 01:15:41.359 Oh yeah, oh yeah, name up there at the end of the 888 01:15:41.399 --> 01:15:45.159 show. At the end, I will say it. Yes, it's not 889 01:15:45.319 --> 01:15:51.600 the time, all right. Captain Patty Brown decided it was time for him 890 01:15:51.640 --> 01:15:56.520 to make a move. I think he was trying to get twenty eighth truck 891 01:15:56.560 --> 01:16:01.680 and it wasn't getting it. So, you know, he lived in Stuyvesant 892 01:16:01.680 --> 01:16:08.960 Town in Lower Manhattan. So some pretty good fire companies around Stuyvesant Town and 893 01:16:09.159 --> 01:16:15.720 Patty was scatting him out and he settled on lat of three. You know, 894 01:16:15.880 --> 01:16:19.720 Captain Brown transferred to the first division on October second, ninety nine and 895 01:16:19.840 --> 01:16:25.840 he started covering in lat of three. He became the assigned captain of latter 896 01:16:25.880 --> 01:16:30.239 three on October twenty, first year, two thousand. I was a captain 897 01:16:30.279 --> 01:16:33.520 in a lot of six in the first division at that time. I remember 898 01:16:33.560 --> 01:16:41.119 seeing the department order where he got smacked to three truck. I was stuck 899 01:16:41.199 --> 01:16:45.439 in the first division. Just went up. We got some more cred. 900 01:16:48.920 --> 01:16:56.560 We got some Bona five heroes coming to the first division. It's funny when 901 01:16:56.640 --> 01:16:59.399 Captain Patty Brown was assigned to a lot of three, the senior men and 902 01:16:59.399 --> 01:17:01.800 the company were not sure who they were getting. Again. You know, 903 01:17:02.359 --> 01:17:09.039 they don't know. Patty Brown's reputation certainly preceded him. They thought they might 904 01:17:09.079 --> 01:17:13.520 be getting a John Wayne character. They couldn't have been more wrong. He 905 01:17:13.640 --> 01:17:17.680 came into the new company with a soft spoken way, and he started leading 906 01:17:17.800 --> 01:17:21.159 the best way he knew. He led by example, and he wanted to 907 01:17:21.239 --> 01:17:27.319 make sure that the firefighters he worked with kept up with him. He was 908 01:17:27.439 --> 01:17:32.520 known for talking in the kitchen of firefighters well into the night. So again 909 01:17:32.600 --> 01:17:40.640 I spoke with a bunch of guys from Wide at three and there they felt 910 01:17:40.680 --> 01:17:44.039 like they were cheated. They wish they had him for a while while longer. 911 01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:47.359 Can you imagine being in the fire house he comes in as the captain 912 01:17:47.399 --> 01:17:54.239 bro how much like the hit the lotto? Yeah, the three truckers certainly 913 01:17:54.319 --> 01:17:58.359 had a rent. You know that. They were a real good truck We're 914 01:17:58.399 --> 01:18:03.039 getting Captain Patty Brown, all right. I spoke to them. I spoke 915 01:18:03.079 --> 01:18:05.680 to the guys and like, we thought this giant would come in with an 916 01:18:05.680 --> 01:18:11.319 attitude, and he walked in in his bike shorts and his yoga mat. 917 01:18:14.600 --> 01:18:16.800 I know, Jay, you're talking about Mike Moran. He said that same 918 01:18:16.880 --> 01:18:23.119 thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Mike rand And they expected and then 919 01:18:23.199 --> 01:18:26.840 he was just so he would be with the guys who wouldn't sit up in 920 01:18:26.920 --> 01:18:30.600 his office. He would be the guys who talked to him all the time, 921 01:18:30.520 --> 01:18:34.560 and like you said, teach by example, and if something went wrong, 922 01:18:35.800 --> 01:18:39.960 he would just talk to them, not yeah like okay, maybe this 923 01:18:40.319 --> 01:18:43.800 next time, you know, maybe you should do it this way or do 924 01:18:43.880 --> 01:18:45.199 it that way. Yeah, that's what I heard from those guys too, 925 01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:51.760 same as you, Jay, Absolutely faithful day September eleventh, two thousand and 926 01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:56.800 one. Patty Brown was on duty and lat that's three. After the first 927 01:18:56.840 --> 01:19:00.399 point hit the hotel. Captain Brown was on the department radio telling the Manhattan 928 01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:04.039 dispatch at the plane, just take the World Trade Center for your information, 929 01:19:08.000 --> 01:19:13.159 for your information. By the way, by the way, in case nobody 930 01:19:13.239 --> 01:19:23.439 told you, called you. If you haven't noticed another come respexun by six 931 01:19:23.560 --> 01:19:27.680 thousand, you know, che but oh yeah, by the way, plained 932 01:19:27.760 --> 01:19:31.239 just fluid to the end. The dispatcher assigned Ladder three to the fire, 933 01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:38.960 and I saw Captain Paddy Brown in the lobby of the off tower, and 934 01:19:39.279 --> 01:19:43.960 uh it struck me, you know, because working in the first edition for 935 01:19:44.039 --> 01:19:45.760 a long time. How many guys he had with him, he had both 936 01:19:45.800 --> 01:19:50.399 the day tour and the nights were on the ridge. Yeah, half a 937 01:19:50.520 --> 01:19:54.560 Ladder three was killed on Yeah, they lost like ten guys or something. 938 01:19:54.680 --> 01:20:00.920 I didn't know that. Yes, Kevin, the other officer tent and downdown 939 01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:08.439 and uh, like you said, coil oil, Yeah, on the son 940 01:20:08.520 --> 01:20:15.680 of the of the coil. Yes, very interesting stuff coming up. As 941 01:20:15.840 --> 01:20:18.279 latter three was climbing the B stairway the North Tower at the World Trade Center, 942 01:20:18.319 --> 01:20:24.239 they stopped on the thirty fifth floor. Captain Brown found a working telephone 943 01:20:24.279 --> 01:20:28.079 on the floor and called the dispatcher. He stated, and I quote, 944 01:20:28.720 --> 01:20:31.560 I'm on the thirty fifth floor. Okay, okay, just relate to the 945 01:20:31.600 --> 01:20:34.840 command post that we're trying to get up. There are numerous civilians and all 946 01:20:34.880 --> 01:20:40.000 the stairwells, numerous burn injuries are coming down and trying to send them down 947 01:20:40.079 --> 01:20:43.880 first. Apparently it's about the seventy fifth floor. I don't know if they 948 01:20:44.199 --> 01:20:46.760 they got there yet. Okay, three truck and we're still heading up. 949 01:20:46.840 --> 01:20:53.600 Okay, thank you, Chief about the world right there. Yeah, I'm 950 01:20:53.640 --> 01:20:56.920 on a thirty fifth floor okay, okay, just related the command post. 951 01:20:57.119 --> 01:20:59.680 We're trying to get up. You know, it's numerous civilians at all stairwells 952 01:21:00.119 --> 01:21:06.800 towards burning jury are coming down and we're still head kay here it is so 953 01:21:08.720 --> 01:21:12.479 there is, you know, thirty five floors up. He had the whole 954 01:21:12.560 --> 01:21:15.119 company, he had the day and I grew with him. They were all 955 01:21:15.199 --> 01:21:17.880 up on the thirty fifth floor with him. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, 956 01:21:18.119 --> 01:21:23.640 they I think they lost ten guys. I'm not I mean twelve guys. 957 01:21:24.199 --> 01:21:29.159 Yeah. When the South tower collapse, it closed the North tower would have 958 01:21:29.159 --> 01:21:32.520 swayed violently, I said, the South Tower collapse. I realized that our 959 01:21:32.600 --> 01:21:36.640 lives were an imminent peril, and I ordered the evacuation of my unit Latter 960 01:21:36.720 --> 01:21:44.199 six. In the turmoil, I heard radio conversation between Deputy Chief Pete Hayden 961 01:21:44.720 --> 01:21:49.199 and Captain Patty Brown, and it's tattooed in my brain. Chief Hayden stated, 962 01:21:49.680 --> 01:21:53.399 command post a latt of three. Command post a latt of three, 963 01:21:54.079 --> 01:21:59.119 get out of the building. Captain Brown responded, this is the officer of 964 01:21:59.279 --> 01:22:02.880 Ladder Company three. I refuse the order. I am on the forty fourth 965 01:22:02.960 --> 01:22:06.520 floor and we have too many burned people with me. I'm not leaving them. 966 01:22:08.119 --> 01:22:11.640 Wow, I'll carry that with him with me to my grave. That's 967 01:22:12.039 --> 01:22:17.720 the exact garbage that I used. And I've never heard that before or since. 968 01:22:17.920 --> 01:22:23.600 You know, I refuse the order. I'm not leaving them. I 969 01:22:23.960 --> 01:22:27.800 heard that a few years ago. Really, I only heard up to the 970 01:22:27.880 --> 01:22:32.479 thirty fifth floor. And then someone posted it was not too long ago that 971 01:22:32.840 --> 01:22:36.840 he was. And then I did an interview with BBC and they said one 972 01:22:36.920 --> 01:22:43.319 the survivors said he saw him. Someone got out and they said they sawed 973 01:22:43.359 --> 01:22:46.239 them up in the sixties. I said six floor because he was looking for 974 01:22:46.319 --> 01:22:51.920 Hattan and those guys. Yeah that's possible. Sure, yeah, because that 975 01:22:53.079 --> 01:23:00.880 was yeah there you go. Hey, how appropriate turd chiming. Yeah, 976 01:23:00.319 --> 01:23:04.800 that's that's what I just heard that because I made the shirt I did, 977 01:23:05.119 --> 01:23:09.319 saw this thing with that, and they're like, no, he went way 978 01:23:09.399 --> 01:23:13.920 up further with his guys. Yeah. Yeah, who's the guy in the 979 01:23:13.960 --> 01:23:17.520 middle there, Tim Brown? Brown, Tim Brown, we are buddies. 980 01:23:17.640 --> 01:23:25.279 He's like another brother. Now, yeah, he's another Brown brother. That's 981 01:23:25.319 --> 01:23:29.920 the guy. Uh uh. She wants us to get on the show. 982 01:23:30.119 --> 01:23:32.399 Oh yeah, he looks like get him on. He's he he's awesome. 983 01:23:33.159 --> 01:23:36.920 Go back to the picture before that. He looks like mel Gibson. There 984 01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:43.880 your brother crying out loud. Oh well yeah, well they called him Charles 985 01:23:43.960 --> 01:23:48.119 Bronson up in U in Harlem in sixty nine. In sixty nine they called 986 01:23:48.199 --> 01:23:54.520 him Bronson, and then at that point I'm like Bronson's like, wasn't that 987 01:23:54.640 --> 01:23:57.319 good looking? But now I saw Bronson when he was younger. I'm like, 988 01:23:57.880 --> 01:24:05.000 yeah, he looks he looks like he and wrap your ass up quietly 989 01:24:05.119 --> 01:24:12.039 too, Yes, absolutely, I do a long stretch. Maybe dude down 990 01:24:12.079 --> 01:24:15.199 with dorg while he's doing it. I don't know sttch out it back. 991 01:24:17.840 --> 01:24:28.720 I have no comment on that. The following u members of the New York 992 01:24:28.760 --> 01:24:31.840 City Fire Department were killed in the line of duty from latter three and Battalion 993 01:24:31.960 --> 01:24:38.079 six when the World Trade Center in Ottawa collapsed. Battalion Chief John Williamson, 994 01:24:38.800 --> 01:24:44.520 Fireman John McAvoy, Fireman Steve Olsen, Captain Patty Brown, Fireman Mike Carroll, 995 01:24:44.720 --> 01:24:49.880 Fireman and Jay Ogrin, Lieutenant Kevin Donnelley, Fireman McSweeney, fim and 996 01:24:49.960 --> 01:24:57.479 Jerry Dewan, Fireman Joe Maloney, Fireman Jeff Gidano, and Fireman Jimmy Coyle. 997 01:25:00.560 --> 01:25:06.720 Donaldy was there too. Huh yeah, wow, they were. There 998 01:25:06.760 --> 01:25:12.479 were two common themes that kept coming up while doing research for this newsletter. 999 01:25:12.760 --> 01:25:18.159 The first word was humble. Everyone who knew Captain Patty Brown said he was 1000 01:25:18.239 --> 01:25:24.880 humble about his accomplishments. The second was that everyone I interviewed for this newsletter 1001 01:25:25.079 --> 01:25:30.960 thanked me for giving them the opportunity to talk about their friend. Well, 1002 01:25:30.000 --> 01:25:32.880 we like to thank you because we get to share this with everybody out there 1003 01:25:33.000 --> 01:25:38.520 now. Hopefully thousands of guys will see. Patrick J. Brown was an 1004 01:25:38.560 --> 01:25:43.760 outstanding leader, a tough firefighter, and a man with tremendous compassion. He 1005 01:25:43.920 --> 01:25:46.520 was a righteous man who will help someone in their time and need. We 1006 01:25:46.680 --> 01:25:51.000 lost a great man on September eleventh. May rest in peace. Never forget 1007 01:25:53.359 --> 01:25:58.079 brother. Know what's up? Chief again? You hear these names? You 1008 01:25:58.119 --> 01:26:01.560 know again? I heard his names so often, and I heard so many 1009 01:26:01.600 --> 01:26:03.840 good things about him. It's almost as if you say to yourself, it 1010 01:26:03.920 --> 01:26:05.960 can't be, you know what I mean, Like you think to yourself, 1011 01:26:05.960 --> 01:26:09.720 how could it be? Like you're we're firemen, right, how could it 1012 01:26:09.800 --> 01:26:15.000 be? But the more I looked into this before the show and now being 1013 01:26:15.079 --> 01:26:17.039 on the show for this time, I mean, it really is. It's 1014 01:26:17.399 --> 01:26:23.199 it's a it's it's it's incredible to have a guy like that, like a 1015 01:26:23.279 --> 01:26:27.239 true legend. That guy was a true legend on our job in our own 1016 01:26:27.319 --> 01:26:31.359 time. Yeah, it was a living legend that I heard after an our 1017 01:26:31.359 --> 01:26:36.039 eleven Yeah to turn By saying that he was you know, and uh, 1018 01:26:36.560 --> 01:26:40.840 we don't say those things too often, Carolyn. If fireman don't say that 1019 01:26:40.960 --> 01:26:45.960 too often about I'm sure I really don't. Not Everyone goes, oh, 1020 01:26:46.039 --> 01:26:50.600 well, he's a living legend. We spoke about this before the show. 1021 01:26:50.760 --> 01:26:54.960 But you know, every time I would write a newsletter, I come down 1022 01:26:55.000 --> 01:26:57.600 to the kitchen and I get a couple of coffee, and the young guys 1023 01:26:57.640 --> 01:27:00.560 are like, all right, what are the teaching points of this? You 1024 01:27:00.600 --> 01:27:02.880 know, so they can scoop their officer. All right, the teaching points 1025 01:27:02.920 --> 01:27:12.199 for this newsletter are, guy, that's the teaching points of this newsletters. 1026 01:27:13.600 --> 01:27:15.720 I want to tell my kids by twelve or thirteen year old, do you 1027 01:27:15.720 --> 01:27:17.760 want to be a Patty Brown or do you want to be this guy sitting 1028 01:27:17.760 --> 01:27:21.720 over here? You want to be Brown? All right? Who you know? 1029 01:27:21.840 --> 01:27:28.600 I heard people saying do a Patty Brown and not fire department Like that 1030 01:27:28.640 --> 01:27:34.159 would mean you gave sandwich to a homeless guy or something that was doing Patty 1031 01:27:34.199 --> 01:27:38.640 Brown. Yeah, because you always helped out like that too. He's a 1032 01:27:38.920 --> 01:27:43.920 humanitarian like crazy, which I only found out later. But yeah, there 1033 01:27:44.000 --> 01:27:47.800 was a teacher that text me or contacted me after nine eleven and she says, 1034 01:27:47.840 --> 01:27:50.760 yeah, I teach my school. She's in Pennsylvania, or something my 1035 01:27:50.880 --> 01:27:55.600 kids would do with Patty Brown today, which would mean you do a good 1036 01:27:55.640 --> 01:28:00.479 thing for someone else. I'm going to ask you guys in the audienceverybody was 1037 01:28:00.520 --> 01:28:04.119 watching, and after this with ten twenty thousand shared this one, Share this 1038 01:28:04.239 --> 01:28:09.039 one with everybody. We can get more guys like this, you know, 1039 01:28:09.359 --> 01:28:13.199 or even half like a quarter like this, this country, in this world 1040 01:28:13.239 --> 01:28:15.840 will be a lot better. I just it. Yeah, I just watched. 1041 01:28:16.159 --> 01:28:19.319 Glenn just wrote geez, what an amazing life. I just wantch I 1042 01:28:19.359 --> 01:28:23.479 watch it every year and I get joked up. It's a wonderful life, 1043 01:28:24.199 --> 01:28:28.560 right for Christmas. That guy, your brother, had a wonderful life. 1044 01:28:28.800 --> 01:28:32.279 I mean he really did, short short but yeah, he had a wonderful 1045 01:28:32.319 --> 01:28:35.840 life. Man. I'm glad we got to talk about to I'm glad we 1046 01:28:35.880 --> 01:28:42.800 got you on the show tonight, Miss Shorthouse short House. Well I know, 1047 01:28:43.079 --> 01:28:55.319 and he's six four, so i'm missus Shorty now in Mustbury. We're 1048 01:28:55.359 --> 01:29:00.039 Shorty taller than me. Before we get too, I wanted to talk about 1049 01:29:00.039 --> 01:29:05.039 it. Go back your other brother. I'm sorry I won't. Mike, 1050 01:29:05.399 --> 01:29:09.600 Mike, Mike, what did you uh? What was the situation with him? 1051 01:29:09.760 --> 01:29:13.399 The whole story, Well, he was on the pile. He went 1052 01:29:13.479 --> 01:29:15.680 in because he had moved out. He was doctor in Vegas. He got 1053 01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:21.920 home so forever, but he went to three truck he had to find because 1054 01:29:21.920 --> 01:29:28.199 he's not a New Yorker, And they got him on the truck's pickups whatever 1055 01:29:28.359 --> 01:29:31.520 to go down and to the pile and dig. And he put on a 1056 01:29:31.600 --> 01:29:36.079 t shirt and went down with them and with Bobby Burke was with him and 1057 01:29:38.159 --> 01:29:42.039 you know, just put his shirk go. And so he did that for 1058 01:29:42.119 --> 01:29:45.840 the two months. He was you know, whatever was help a few months, 1059 01:29:46.520 --> 01:29:54.960 and then around maybe twenty eighteen, he was. He was here in 1060 01:29:55.039 --> 01:29:57.720 twenty nineteen, Jay, you were here at the party that Mike was here 1061 01:29:57.960 --> 01:30:01.560 at my house? Yes, nine eleven celebration I have every year, right, 1062 01:30:01.680 --> 01:30:04.359 and Mike was that's the last time. And then he was hurting. 1063 01:30:05.159 --> 01:30:11.840 But it took him down. The cancer was so ferocious and paint, it 1064 01:30:11.920 --> 01:30:16.880 took it all over his body. By twenty twenty weeks gone from the cancers 1065 01:30:16.920 --> 01:30:23.760 from the eleven because there, oh God, and he became you know, 1066 01:30:24.439 --> 01:30:28.720 he was not there anymore. He drove cross country to Yeah, you know 1067 01:30:28.840 --> 01:30:30.880 the story, right, that's in his book too. We have to promote 1068 01:30:30.880 --> 01:30:36.600 his book. What's the book? What brothers do? You want to pick 1069 01:30:36.640 --> 01:30:41.840 it up? Hold on? What brothers do? Okay? And the money 1070 01:30:41.920 --> 01:30:46.600 goes to the Sila Foundation. What brothers, don't. He left it for 1071 01:30:46.720 --> 01:30:51.520 the Silla Foundation. So anything sold now goes Silla Foundation. We'll put it 1072 01:30:51.600 --> 01:30:57.479 in the description. Yeah, and he describes everything and the new version he 1073 01:30:57.600 --> 01:31:02.239 did right before he left. He put in his trials from it. But 1074 01:31:03.760 --> 01:31:09.600 especially Fireman. Anyone who reads it, it's like one twenty hours, they're 1075 01:31:09.640 --> 01:31:12.680 done. They cry, they laugh. It's very funny too, Yeah, 1076 01:31:13.039 --> 01:31:17.520 because my family's very funny. There's a lot of uh drinking and like that. 1077 01:31:17.680 --> 01:31:23.000 Oh no, not not eleven because my family are cops and they had 1078 01:31:23.359 --> 01:31:26.840 they were our escort to the city and all that crap, and they he 1079 01:31:27.000 --> 01:31:30.640 was down there trying to trying to find him. Yeah. Is it on 1080 01:31:30.760 --> 01:31:34.039 Amazon? Is it on Amazon? Okay? Absolutely, people get that out 1081 01:31:34.079 --> 01:31:38.880 there. What did they ever find the guys from three Truck count Uh, 1082 01:31:39.119 --> 01:31:43.000 Well, in the book you'll find out, though I don't know. I 1083 01:31:43.119 --> 01:31:48.920 know. They found Pat shoulders and below his head was crushed. They found 1084 01:31:49.000 --> 01:31:55.159 him in like December, November, December late right, Yeah, anybody who 1085 01:31:55.239 --> 01:31:58.640 was Yeah, so they were because they were all the way up there. 1086 01:31:58.720 --> 01:32:01.479 It's just everyone was crushing. Uh. But they did find part of them, 1087 01:32:01.600 --> 01:32:06.800 So that was good for us. I guess you have to services like 1088 01:32:06.920 --> 01:32:14.159 have one. Yeah, we did his service, his funeral quote funeral mass 1089 01:32:14.239 --> 01:32:18.760 service Saint Patrick's of course on on his birthday was November ninth, so it 1090 01:32:18.840 --> 01:32:27.279 was eleven nine and uh yeah, we did his service and they're like thousands 1091 01:32:27.640 --> 01:32:30.640 of firemen there and it's amazing, and but I would we don't know what's 1092 01:32:30.640 --> 01:32:33.880 going on, like I don't, it's crazy. And then we had a 1093 01:32:33.920 --> 01:32:40.560 big coalition after at the Hilton and thousands of people and it was just nuts. 1094 01:32:41.199 --> 01:32:45.720 But then in December, after they found him, do you know the 1095 01:32:45.760 --> 01:32:51.720 whole tree story, they planted the tree in Celzer Park. Oh my god, 1096 01:32:51.800 --> 01:32:59.079 you have so much more to know. Planted the tree and my brother 1097 01:32:59.359 --> 01:33:06.640 Mike in Central Park at the Grand One, and of course it's got moved 1098 01:33:06.680 --> 01:33:11.359 over. They put his tomb, his stone in there. He did everything 1099 01:33:12.960 --> 01:33:16.119 and we had like twenty people with us and we did it. We had 1100 01:33:16.159 --> 01:33:23.039 another service at Campbell's with a coffin and then a few of us walked up 1101 01:33:23.039 --> 01:33:28.399 the block and they planted a tree. It's so crazy. You have to 1102 01:33:28.479 --> 01:33:31.479 get the story, guys. You had to get contact Gonzo from three Chuck, 1103 01:33:31.600 --> 01:33:38.279 Steve Gonzales. Seriously, you need this hysterical I was home. It 1104 01:33:38.399 --> 01:33:43.039 was actually on CBS or something like. So they planted everything, put his 1105 01:33:43.239 --> 01:33:49.279 stone in that my brother Mike wrote, and so we went and we spread 1106 01:33:49.279 --> 01:33:55.239 his ashes. It was the coldest night in December. It was a full 1107 01:33:55.319 --> 01:33:59.359 moon. Few people. Ven Adrenna was with us, and she sang the 1108 01:33:59.439 --> 01:34:03.720 marine hand like it was oh my god, crazy. And we had the 1109 01:34:03.840 --> 01:34:11.199 ashes that we got, which were hill yeah, and we threw it up 1110 01:34:11.279 --> 01:34:15.680 and it just glowed like crystals in the air and with a full moon on 1111 01:34:15.720 --> 01:34:18.760 the coldest day of the year. And it was a scene out of a 1112 01:34:18.840 --> 01:34:24.720 movie. And I said, that's what he would want, like a scene 1113 01:34:24.760 --> 01:34:29.840 out of a movie. Yeah, it was amazing. That's cool. But 1114 01:34:29.960 --> 01:34:33.359 a great guy. Yeah, and he's touched so many people. It had 1115 01:34:33.399 --> 01:34:39.039 no not even fires, as I said, like the homeless and the kids, 1116 01:34:40.279 --> 01:34:43.439 you know, teaching himself to find all that stories I never knew about 1117 01:34:43.520 --> 01:34:47.680 until after nine eleven. So mm hmm. I still hear stories of course. 1118 01:34:51.399 --> 01:34:56.760 Great research. Yes, thank you, Jay Chief. I think I 1119 01:34:56.960 --> 01:35:00.920 like this tribute type of show. That was great. Jake, thank you 1120 01:35:01.079 --> 01:35:08.960 so much. I just want unlearned so much from me your research. Thanks. 1121 01:35:09.960 --> 01:35:13.600 I started doing it when I started doing the newsletters, you know. 1122 01:35:13.640 --> 01:35:17.640 I the first one I did was a tribute to Andy Fredericks, and then 1123 01:35:17.840 --> 01:35:21.640 uh, I did oriole Palmer and yeah, I think we got to do 1124 01:35:21.760 --> 01:35:27.119 more. Let's do Orio Palmer. Then next didn't he get up the highest? 1125 01:35:28.760 --> 01:35:35.520 And yeah, I did Billy McGain, Billy Burke, Billy Burg. 1126 01:35:35.880 --> 01:35:41.319 I made friends with his brother, well, he was fighting the museum stuff, 1127 01:35:41.479 --> 01:35:47.640 you know, the memorial stuff I did begancy we have we have a 1128 01:35:47.680 --> 01:35:49.880 lot more to go. See if we can get some of the family. 1129 01:35:49.960 --> 01:35:54.279 I mean, I think that's the best part, is you know, having 1130 01:35:54.439 --> 01:35:58.760 having a family member as the inside. Uh yeah, I get Burg's brothers 1131 01:35:58.800 --> 01:36:03.199 called the name Michael. He's awesome movie school book. I did right, 1132 01:36:03.279 --> 01:36:08.399 Downy did right? You did? Wow? Yeah? All right, Now 1133 01:36:08.439 --> 01:36:12.399 we got to call up Chucky for Joe. I use them for a lot 1134 01:36:12.439 --> 01:36:16.680 of the right make the call again. The next one we'll get the chief 1135 01:36:16.760 --> 01:36:19.800 j Jonis and we're doing on Downy, I'll get him. Wow. Could 1136 01:36:19.840 --> 01:36:25.279 you imagine that one? Holy? Yeah. I started doing it because you 1137 01:36:25.359 --> 01:36:29.920 know everybody, you know three forty three they just come out and say, 1138 01:36:30.039 --> 01:36:33.960 I wish they would say three hundred and forty three rather than just the numbers, 1139 01:36:33.960 --> 01:36:40.720 because it sounds so dispassionate, you know. And uh that the amount 1140 01:36:40.760 --> 01:36:47.319 of guys that that that guy who were outstanding human beings and they were gone 1141 01:36:47.359 --> 01:36:50.279 in an instant, you know, and people have to know about that. 1142 01:36:50.720 --> 01:36:55.000 They do. People absolutely know about that. I like that one. You 1143 01:36:55.039 --> 01:36:57.439 know they say all the time that they throw on their phrase never forget, 1144 01:36:57.520 --> 01:36:59.479 never forget, never forget. Well, you know what we're knock going to 1145 01:36:59.520 --> 01:37:01.199 forget. We're to do a show on all three hundred and forty three if 1146 01:37:01.239 --> 01:37:05.439 we have to, so jeez, get that type of get that computer going, 1147 01:37:05.520 --> 01:37:15.479 let's palm and get on it. Get about the game tonight. Do 1148 01:37:15.560 --> 01:37:20.000 you have anything to plug besides the Winterhouse, the Florida Winterhouse? Uh? 1149 01:37:20.920 --> 01:37:28.600 No, all right, I uh yeah, Mike Brown's book was excellent. 1150 01:37:28.760 --> 01:37:34.720 I used you. No, and uh, if you if you have some 1151 01:37:34.880 --> 01:37:40.720 access cash with a with a uh with your tax returns coming in tunnel to 1152 01:37:40.800 --> 01:37:44.880 twis, please absolutely. Let's try to get him on. I went to 1153 01:37:44.960 --> 01:37:48.359 Proby school with him, Steven Seller, get his get Frank one. I'm 1154 01:37:48.399 --> 01:37:54.039 gonna try to get a contact. Yeah, Okay, im his number. 1155 01:37:55.239 --> 01:38:00.359 Shoot it to me after the show. As many years ago I had his 1156 01:38:00.479 --> 01:38:03.319 number, but okay, it might be the same. All right, thanks 1157 01:38:03.319 --> 01:38:05.359 for coming on, Chief. We're gonna work on. We're gonna do the 1158 01:38:05.399 --> 01:38:10.000 downing one next we'll get you. Yeah, i'd like to hear that one. 1159 01:38:10.560 --> 01:38:15.119 And Carolyn, thank you, Oh, thank you you come on the 1160 01:38:15.199 --> 01:38:23.520 moose over there again, Moose short house. I'm a brown god, damn 1161 01:38:23.600 --> 01:38:29.960 it. And he knows it. And he knows it. You enjoy that 1162 01:38:30.079 --> 01:38:33.520 shrimp palm and oh that sounds good. Thank you so much. Man. 1163 01:38:33.560 --> 01:38:40.600 I got Billy Bingo on Thursday. He's yeah, I think I think I 1164 01:38:40.720 --> 01:38:45.359 met him. What was that? God? Bless you? Thank you, 1165 01:38:45.479 --> 01:38:48.319 brother, appreciate it. See how Westberry. I'm out there all the time. 1166 01:38:49.079 --> 01:38:53.319 Yeah yeah, yeah, you're gonna be at the coliseum too, right, 1167 01:38:53.560 --> 01:38:56.199 Oh yeah, come and see us at the both Carolyn. Yeah, 1168 01:38:56.479 --> 01:39:02.039 bring Shorty over there. All right, guys, Rookie, you got anything 1169 01:39:02.079 --> 01:39:08.319 else? No, it's it. I enjoyed the show. I'm so excited 1170 01:39:08.319 --> 01:39:11.119 about this new segment headed by Jay Jonas. He doesn't even know it yet, 1171 01:39:11.119 --> 01:39:19.800 but you guys Thursday, thanks for tuning in. Like I said, 1172 01:39:19.880 --> 01:39:24.800 Spread this podcast around. Don't be shy, spread it around. I'll see 1173 01:39:24.840 --> 01:39:27.520 you. Stay long and go, all right, everybody, we'll see it 1174 01:39:27.560 --> 01:39:30.359 the big one. Thank you, guys. Loved it all right, guys, 1175 01:39:30.720 --> 01:39:39.279 in honor of tonight, this is three truck Thank you. Good night,