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Deborah, with her thirty years of
being an ltrepreneur and creating over seven companies,

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knows exactly what it means to accept
the mission. When you make that

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decision, when you accept the mission
to become a solopreneur, to take yourself

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and your talents to market, then
you embrace a life of not only unlimited

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possibilities, but also the unknown.
It's an elixir of fear and bravery that

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only someone who's taken the leap really
understands. On our show, deb digs

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deep with her guests to highlight what
you the listener wants to know, the

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stories, the whys, and the
hows to navigate the journey to success.

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Get ready to hear from some of
the most incredible mission takers from Generation Z

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to boomers. So sit up,
perk up, and get ready to be

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blown away. Now here is your
host, Deborah Drummond. Well, mission

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acceptance would what would make you put
on this show today? The feeling could

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be what the heck is mission accepted. But by the time you got to

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hear you already heard some really cool
stuff in the introduction about mission accepted.

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So look at this is the place
that we have at a great time we

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laugh, we explore, we be
inspired, we feel challenged because who sits

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on these shows. Our people that
have taken the mission have decided to stay

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on the mission for whatever reason.
And you might be just coming onto the

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show because you loved the name,
and you're like, accepting the mission.

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Isn't that what we do every day? Abs for regulutely? But then there's

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people that take it on in their
career as well as their life. Right

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They're like, Okay, I've been
inspired. Motivation has happened in some way.

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I read a book that motivated me, or I got pushed into it,

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or I got dragged into entrepreneurship or
something. You know, something pushed

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me into this direction. And so
we're going to explore that with doctor Doreen

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Fewning today, we were talking a
pre show about how make sure we see

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the name correctly and I was like, okay, I gotta make sure I

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say your name correctly. So I'm
so excited because this woman is all about

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finding your voice. So you guys
know, I thank you, I love

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you. I'm so appreciative for our
community. And I always let you know.

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Now it's risky. It's always risky
when I tell you you're the best

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podcast audience ever, because Dorain also
has her best podcast audience ever and I

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had the pleasure of being on her
show. So you guys, we've got

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to be on each other's shows.
We can be the best largest community.

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But you know what, not only
are you like the best and most reciprocal

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and you share our shows and you
do all sorts of really cool stuff from

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all over the world. Thank you
so much, but you're also the most

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I would say expressive, you know, from coomenting back and sharing the word.

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So I'm going to give you,
you know, hands up for being

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expressive today, which is exactly I
know you're all laughing what we're going to

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dive into with Doraine, because this
woman is about helping people find their voice.

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Because when you find your voice,
your life and right. And if

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you didn't believe it, you're going
to within this next half an hour having

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this conversation, because there really is
something pretty incredible that happens. I think,

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even from a physiology standpoint, from
an energy standpoint, who comes back

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into your life when you find your
voice and people hear you. Just the

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reverberation of how that goes out into
the world and all sorts of little magical

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things happen. But you don't need
to hear it from me. Let's hear

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it from Doraine. So, Doriane, thank you so much for coming on

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to mission accepted today. Oh this
is wonderful, dab already you've captured so

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much of what I'm about. Thanks
absolutely. If I haven't said it,

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we will share with you that doctor
Doreen Downing is a clinical psychologist and we

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are excited to hear about not only
how she decided to find her voice herself

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and share a bit of her mission. She started a practice and she started

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a podcast, so she's kind of
double dipping in the world. We call

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that entrepreneuring. We call that lentrepreneuring. So do share with us, you

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know this mission of what made you
decide to turn you and finding your own

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voice into a career. Well,
I think that I always knew i'd be

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a psychologist, went to UC Berkeley
and got a PhD. And however,

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the thing that nobody really knew about
me was that I had a fear of

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my own about public speaking. And
actually, just one person at a time

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in my office, I was safe. I got to ask the questions if

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anybody asked me anything. It was
like, oh, I wonder where that

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question came from. You know,
I got really good at turning things around

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to put the attention on the other
person. However, when I was asked

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to give my research at a conference, I said no, no, no,

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no, I'm too afraid of public
speaking. And the organizer said,

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but doctor, isn't fear your business
ooh m hm, there's a mirror.

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Yes, well it was a confrontation. You're right, a mirror. I

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didn't want to. It was like, yeah, the veil dropped, yes,

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okay, and it must have just
been time for me to set out

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on my journey to find this voice
inside that was captured. Or Michael Angelo

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talks about the marble and chiseling until
you set her free, and I think

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that's how I felt. And so
that's when I started taking my first classes

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on overcoming the fear of public speaking, even though I had a PhD in

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psychology. I think that's relieving for
people to hear. I always think that

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we are fully heading into the world
of transparency. I think when people talk

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about authenticity people being authentic, I
think they're saying that because people are being

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transparent and not being concerned about having
on how things look. Right. I

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always said, like we were the
best dressed dysfunctional family on the block,

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along with every other best dress dysfunctional
family, right, Like you really kept

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things inside. Those things belong in
this house and what have you. And

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I think there's a place for that, for sure. But when people here

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that everybody has their own things to
work through, whatever that looks like,

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I just think it's a great global
sigh of relief. Beautifully said yeah,

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and I think that that's stepping towards
the fear. Oh my gosh. That

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means I have to take myself to
a class. And here I am a

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professional, and can I humble myself
enough to start from zero and take myself

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there? And it was terrifying?
Yes, So how did you get through

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it? Little by little? I
think if first of all is saying,

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Okay, I need to go through
a change process and I need to take

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myself to that. So what else
is out there? These classes at San

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Francisco, and then I joined Toastmasters
and I learned how to make a very

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good speech. Of course, I
was a part of that for seven years.

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However, there was still a part
of me that I felt like I

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was holding back. And it was
when that quote about Michaelangelo seeing the angel

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and the marble. I think learning
how to be a good speaker was how

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I became even more able to hide
my true self. Really, that's oh

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no, no, no, no, that's that's a that's a mic drop.

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Yes, that's good. During that
is so good. That's so good

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because when you said you're speaking,
yet you still felt like you were hiding

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something, not not allowing something to
come up or still bury. That's that's

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not unusual. That's certainly not unusual. Yeah, all this, yeah,

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all this, Like you said,
the well dressed neighbors and you I was

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pretty well dressed. But however I
had done a lot of inner work,

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obviously as a psychologist. But that's
when I did even the deeper dive into

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finding and this is what I write
about my book, Finding the Essence.

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You know, she was hiding way
back there because she was scared to come

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out, and I had to go
and say, hello, little one in

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there, you know, who are
you? What are your strengths? And

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I was in some groups where I
got feedback about how warm I am and

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how embracing I am, and those
began to be positive inner strengths that grounded

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me. So no matter where I
showed up any audience of any size,

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I knew that they couldn't take that
away from me. And so I learned

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how to speak from my essence.
That must have been really interesting actually too,

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to switch that, to switch that, because there are there's many different

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platforms for speaking. Yes, someone
has said, has said to me many

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times, nothing against ted X.
I love listening to some incredible friends of

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mine that I've done ted X.
And a lot of people have said to

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me, why haven't you done ted
X? Because you And I'm like,

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well, because you can only walk
a certain way, and you can only

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say a certain thing, and there's
parameters, and I'm not sure I'm a

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parameter speaker. I'm not sure how
it would feel to have to I've just

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I've just never had that. I
know that there's things that you can say

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and should say, and I can
hear myself back where there's things that I

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can always grow from. And I'm
like, I say that word a bit

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too much, or I say that
word too much. I'm not sure those

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parameters would allow me to feel like
I could give it all. Do you

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know what I mean? I feel
like I was in a restraint state.

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I don't know, I mean,
I've never done it, but well,

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I think you're described being what I
went through when I finally decided that I

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needed to do something other than be
a good public speaking performer. And what

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you said is it's not about the
performance techniques, because that's what good speakers

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do, but it's about finding what's
true inside of you, your own spirit,

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your own essence, the strength that
is uniquely yours, and learning how

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to express that. Yeah. Wow, Okay, so many different people need

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to find their voice for many different
reasons. Right, you were looking to

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find your voice because you felt like
there was still something to you know,

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something different inside to be said for
people that are listening to us. So

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you decided to go on your own
door, like you know, make this

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you I mean, you made this
a living, Like you made this find

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your voice, change your life a
living. So you were being a psychologist

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and then did you add something else
on what do people come to you for?

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Like, are they like I want
to be a speaker, but I

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want to be authentic or I am
just you know, crumbling in this relationship

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or crumbling in my work. And
I don't feel like I can express myself,

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Like, why do people go to
someone like yourself? Like, what

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are some of the things that get
solved from finding your voice? Oh,

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they have both of the things that
you just mentioned, relationship issues, being

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a speaker that is much more authentic
and willing to do other than the kind

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of performance techniques to go outside the
box to be just more fully expressed.

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But I would say that people first
come to me because they're anxious and they

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realize that coming to a psychologist might
be a little bit more helpful than going

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straight to a coach who's going to
help them be a better well speaker.

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Because what I do is help people
find their inner self, their inner truth

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where true strength. It's a deeper
kind of confidence that I think people find

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with me, and that's that's what
I offer first, and it's I have

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to tell you that on my podcast, it's everybody from people who have been

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in corporations and didn't have a voice
and realized, oh my gosh, you

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know, I'm fitting out there what
they want me to say, but it's

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not really I don't believe. I
don't even believe in it. And then

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it's also people who are stuck in
relationships, toxic relationships. There are people

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who and you name just the two, you know, three things that we've

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got going. So to me,
I have to also say something that I

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think is basic to my work with
people is that life is your stage.

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All day long, you are showing
up and you need your voice, you

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need yourself to be engaged in a
way. So that's one of my things

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that you know, life is a
stage, make sure you speak up and

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engage. That's one of the sayings
I have. It's about being engaging.

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Right. Yeah, So again for
people that are listening and they're like,

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okay, there's some places in my
life where I could step up a little

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bit bit or be more expressive or
walk through that, you know, unlock

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the door. I always I always
say in the Big Woman's Project that we're

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doing that you know, if we're
you know, I'm in Vancouver and you

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know, you're somewhere in the US
and we're having this conversation about empowerment,

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that there's a woman you know in
Europe right now just about to walk into

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you know, her her boss's office, and you know, and you know

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she she's like, I'm super nervous
to go in and ask for the raise,

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or ask for the day off,
or ask for the holiday or whatever,

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and all of a sudden, because
we're over here being empowering, like

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what we're doing right now, during
that all of a sudden, she feels

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the wind at her back and she's
like, ooh, this door, this

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doorknob kind of opened, kind of
easy, and she's like, hey,

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I need you to sit down for
a minute, and I've got something I

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need to say, and she's kind
of looking around like where did that come

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from? But that's my way of
asking that question, like, how can

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people because there are so many different
things that they need to do, what

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are some just I don't like the
word tips, but what are some things

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that you can share that could make
things easier for someone in the moment,

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right now until they're able to get
to talk to you. Well, first

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of all, I love that image
that you just presented, the sense of

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a supportive win that's behind you and
giving you the strength from behind, like

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the back, I've got your back. And so what I would in the

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work that I do. I have
seven secrets I talk about in my book,

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and I call them secrets because they
aren't performance techniques and each one starts

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with B, and I would say
that one of the ones that seems to

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me, well, the first one
is be still, so that there's people

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have to learn how to go from
a state of anxiety and triggered to a

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state of came than just saying that
word and those If anybody's watching, you

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just saw my hands literally to go
down in the front of my body and

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feel like I've just oh landed in
a deeper sense of strength, rounded,

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centered in the now. And I'll
just say that the second secret I talk

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about is be present. And there's
a whole training I have about presence.

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So those two are really really important. So the person who's about to walk

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into the office needs to come into
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quickest way to do that is to
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surrounding, focus on it, focus
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focus, and then pretty soon your
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very sharp. And this whole idea
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in your head, this whole idea
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is and you know what you need
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to ask for it in a way
that will probably work because you have more

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inner strength than you realize. That's
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that whole idea about being in the
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you've been talking to someone who you
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Maybe you need to bring something up
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hey, where do you want to
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all these things are going on in
your head like what if and yab at

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this and all that conversation. But
to be in the now and be really

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really present in the now with none
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lot of reasons why we don't step
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because of the chatter or the fear
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that stuff. So to be present, Yeah, you're talking about all the

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other voices and which voice are we
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access to it and know the sound
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oh this feels so good. And
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your now moment, ground it and
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like that's where power is. I
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you're talking to someone who you know, I've been on the personal growth journey

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or you know, the career growth
growth journey. Let's call it the career

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growth some people it's a journey.
I'm like, oh, it's a growth

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journey, right, you want to
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therapists, whatever's up. Oh,
whatever's up, you know, through that

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whole experience, and it's always not
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For example, as we sit here
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that you, as an expert in
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a complete difference. My son a
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a podcast that can teach people how
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but it was my son. So
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think he was seventeenth at the time. I'm like, let's just find you

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a speech coach. He's like why, I'm like, because you're going to

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be on podcasts, you're going to
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to speak, because when the waiter
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living, You're like, oh,
yeah, I kind of got this clothing

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thing. It's cool. But he
didn't look at him, and I'm like,

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uh, you know, and learning
how to speak and when you find

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find an expert like you that can
take someone and bring it out. A

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year later, my son's shaking hands
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my event last Saturday, but really, I when you talk, I just

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it just reminds me how finding someone
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I mean a voice speaking that's more
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specialty. It makes you just so
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say your podcast is called Find Your
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so maybe share with us because I
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AHA moment. I love how people
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it change one's life. I just
gave an example of how that changed my

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son's life and also made my work
a lot easier. But how did how

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does it change people's life to find
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should people brave up and go do
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brave up? And in a way, you know, there's this idea about

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feel the fear and do it anyway. I would like to have less fear,

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and that's what I would like to
work with people more just rather than

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push and go do it regardless of
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find who you truly are so you
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And some of the stories, many, many many that are on my

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podcast of people who have gone from
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books. So I think the podcast
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lot of those stories. But if
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absolutely How did it change someone's life? Like that should? Yes? He

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was a VP of sales vice president
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and every Friday morning he had to
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he said that he sweated for hours
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up and then he would read it
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always, always nervous. And what
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dove back, which, because I'm
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the root, and we found a
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at that time because he was only
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him from then on and it had
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sex education class. And what he
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was how he's carried shame because he
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saw, the whole shift in his
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else everybody was thinking of the same
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it. So isn't that amazing just
that shift in taking his more compassionate self

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as an adult back to that moment
when he which he identified as one of

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the root causes and now you know
this kind of sense of boy, I

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have courage. Isn't that empowering?
Yeah? To make that shift and to

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I mean, and it changes everything, right, it changes everything. Yes,

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I don't know how old this gentleman
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let that go, yes, and
to find sometimes it's interesting even just knowing

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where it comes from. It's like
I was twelve, I was this,

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I was that, that's no relevance
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thirty, forty fifty or sixty years
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early or today with somebody who grew up

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in another country in dire poverty,
so poor. The family lived in one

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room and that was freezing. She
talked about the breath coming out and her

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mom would bring hot you know,
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she's out there and so it's wonderful.

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This is to me that I hope
that our listeners today are getting how important

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it is to know yourself and learn
about who you are, and that anything

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that's happened in the past, and
this is what happens on the podcast,

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anything that's happened in the past is
good. It's not all bad. It's

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like you can make something out of
it. You can, It's all meant

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to be there for a reason.
Awesome. Well, look, I know

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that it's kind of coming time to
wrapping up. I know that you have

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some resources for people to share,
and so look, I know that people

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can work with you one on one. Yes, there's people that love to

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do one on one. There's people
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I know that you offer both,
which is nice because not everybody wants to

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be you know, they want to
have that more specialized. I personally love

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that that way. You have a
book that you talked about what is the

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name of your book during Oh the
Seven Secrets to Essential Speaking, and I

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talked about two of them be Still, be Present, and there are seven

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and so that's available. Find your
Voice, Change your Life, the seven

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Secrets to Essential Speaking, And I
say, essence is where we need to

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speak from. So it's not essential
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tapping into your inner strength, your
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powerful. If you want to hear
Dorian talking to people about having experience around

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finding their voice and how that changed
their life and how that happened, you

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can go to the podcast Find your
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course everything will be in the show
notes, Doreen, have I missed anything

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that people can come and find out
more? No, my website has everything.

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During Doowning dot Com During Doowning dot
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if you're like, hey, I
think I can up my game.

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I think that there's somewhere else I
can be braver. I think that I

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could feel safer in being authentic.
I think that's really what comes to me.

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Around people started to become more authentic, it would have you and you

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want some supporting that then you can
contact Doraen and have that experience and then

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come tell us how Come tell us
how it worked out. Come on the

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show. She's going to coach you
so well that you're going to contact me.

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Could you guys know, if you
want to be sitting where Dorian is,

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then you're in contact. You're like, I need to come into your

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show because I got something to say. That's nothing to say. That's why

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it's going to say. Okay,
now I'm going to completely change the whole

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conversation and I'm going to ask you
this beautiful final question that my listeners know

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happens on every show, and that
question is if you were on your way

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to a desert island and it was
you and you, and you had this

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beautiful suitcase, and in the suitcase
you only had room for one album that

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you could stick in this suitcase that
you couldn't imagine not listening to for the

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rest of your day as well.
You're having a nice miye tie on that

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beach. What album would you take
with you? Well, I know what

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song I would take with me.
In fact, just talking about it kind

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of moves my heart right now.
And it's from The Grateful Dead, and

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it is Ripple is the name of
the song. And I mentioned the word

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that you've talked about today, reverberated, because I think that's what when we're

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in our voices, it does reverberate. But they're that first line, you

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know, did if my words could
glow? Wow? You know? And

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that talks about the tune unsung in
your heart and to me that I'm just

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talking about it and I've got little
little goosebumps because it just it just says

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to me exactly what I love about
speaking up. And there's it's there's a

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group that does it. It's not
just you know, the Grateful Dead,

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it's Be the Change, and they
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not every single country, but people
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aspects or play instruments. So I
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world in around singing up, speaking
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and joy and if my words Dick
glow wow wow uh oh. I think

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I think you know, everybody out
there knows that we've got a pretty big

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project going on called, you know, show up, stand up and speak

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Up. Maybe we need to do
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no, no, Jeth no,
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stop that. But thank you for
sharing that, And what a perfect lead

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into having that conversation about if you
want to come and you guys know,

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we've got this great project going on
where women like doing come on and share

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inspiration and information and just powerful,
just powerful, moving presentations and seminars and

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workshops. It's the twenty two Summits
I'm talking about people. I know a

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lot of you have been on.
We're so grateful we are heading into our

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tenth on December eighth. How incredible
out of twenty two and thousands of you

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have come to hear this incredible information
and just be in celidarity. And it

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is a global project. So please, if you don't know where to,

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you can to drummond dot com go
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out about the next summit and or
this is not difficult, it's debitdev drummond

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dot com. So if you want
to come to the summit, if you

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want to speak on the summit,
if you need to get it up together

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to get speaking on the summit,
go see Dorian and come see us.

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And if you'd like the author in
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women that is supporting that project as
well. We announced to the world on

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International Women's Day about this incredible book
and then we launch it live to the

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world on May eleventh. So Dorian, thank you for being with us today.

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Audience, Thank you so much.
We hope you feel inspired and motivated,

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empowered, and you guys know what
to do right, you know to

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share this episode, you know to
give us your comments, and you not

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to show up again next week.
And so thank you again Dorian for being

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with us a day and for you
guys be well and stay groovy. Bye

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for now,