WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:52.159 The following present is Del Marvis Studios Production. Welcome back truth seekers from around 2 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:56.320 the world. It's time for another edition of the flat Earth Files. I 3 00:00:56.359 --> 00:01:00.840 hope this podcast finds everyone well and everybody's having a great week. We have 4 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:03.759 a special guest standing by. His name is Chris and he'll be joining us 5 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:07.719 in just a moment before we get started, just two quick reminders. Number 6 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:11.719 one, check out the website. It's the flat Earthfiles dot com. Stop 7 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:14.159 by the chatroom and say hello, or you can leave your thoughts in the 8 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:18.799 forum. Much to do again, it is the flat Earthfiles dot com. 9 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:23.120 Questions, comments, concerns, or you would like to join the podcast like 10 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:26.480 Chris is today, hit me up. It is the flat earth Files at 11 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:32.480 gmail dot com and get in. It is the flat earth Files at gmail 12 00:01:32.760 --> 00:01:38.719 dot com. Joining me today is from the great state of Colorado, where 13 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:45.760 I'm sure it's probably eighty degrees in Sunday today. It's Chris and he's written 14 00:01:45.799 --> 00:01:48.239 a great book and he sent it to me and we have a lot to 15 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:52.159 talk about today, ladies and gentlemen, our friend Chris, Chris, how 16 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:56.280 are you doing today, sir? Very good? So we let's see. 17 00:01:56.319 --> 00:02:00.319 I think Thursday or Friday, Thursday was it's almost seven But last night we 18 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:06.640 got six inches of snow. So that's always the way it is, isn't 19 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:08.159 it. Yeah, you know what I missed about Colorado is you could literally 20 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:12.560 see the storm coming over top of the mountains. You can watch it coming 21 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:15.759 in the first time, first time. You know. We moved here about 22 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:19.280 seven years ago, and I snowed, and I ran outside and I shoveled, 23 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:22.639 and nobody else shoveled. You know, I'm like, what the heck? 24 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:24.439 Why is nobody shoveled? About one o'clock in the afternoon, I realized, 25 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:29.000 Well, that's why, because it was warm and beautiful and the snow 26 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:32.680 melted. You know, if you go to the mountains, you're gonna go 27 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:37.159 skiing. The snow will state. It doesn't seem to stay too much around 28 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:40.639 here. So yep, for sure, I really enjoyed it. So please 29 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:47.919 introduce yourself to the audience. Yeah, so my name is Chris and gosh 30 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:53.000 been married now. I think it's thirty. Well today's let's put it this 31 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:57.639 way. Today's the fortieth anniversary of my the first day with my wife. 32 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:04.360 Wow, congratulations. We had our first date on the ninth of December, 33 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:07.560 and back in the day you called it going steady. So by December sixteenth 34 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:13.360 we were going steady and she went home from college. I went home from 35 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:16.479 college, and over the Christmas vacation we got back together with each other and 36 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:22.599 met each other's families and went back to school in January. And January sixteenth, 37 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:28.120 I asked, you married me. Wow, that's incredible. I make 38 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:31.759 decisions pretty quick. I mean, I'm good at that. So you trust 39 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:36.199 your gut feelings, right, yeah, yeah, you know, sometimes you 40 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:38.680 have to, you have to walk things back. But but I tend to. 41 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:46.960 I tend to make decisions really really quickly and make good So I remember 42 00:03:49.159 --> 00:03:52.840 talking to some friends from Bible College and they were going to go to Israel. 43 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:54.879 I think I was talking to them on a Thursday, and by Monday 44 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:59.759 morning I had tickets. So a wow. And spent a year there studying 45 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:02.919 in it in Jerusalem and Israel. So wow. Yeah. So I don't 46 00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:08.520 have a problem making decisions. So you've seen a lot of historical stuff there 47 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:12.120 as well. Now you're saving me, and again people are listening to this 48 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:15.960 podcast. But as I look behind you, you've got several degrees on your 49 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:18.680 wall. There your PhD. And you know, and I'm sure that's one 50 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:23.920 of the things you're going to talk about, is your journey through higher education. 51 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:26.959 And then you know, one day you find out or you come to 52 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:34.199 the realization that maybe something that we're taught since where a child maybe isn't true 53 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:40.920 and kind of how that affected your outlook on life. Yeah, there have 54 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:45.600 been hints of it. I remember back, oh gosh, fifteen twenty years 55 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:49.000 one of the guys in our church was air traffic controller. I started talking 56 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:55.519 about the difference between chem trails and contrails, and honestly, I had no 57 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:58.920 idea what I was talking about. It heat poof fooded and you know, 58 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:00.240 I forgot about it. That was it, so you know, but it 59 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:02.959 was one of those things I was hearing and that sort of thing. But 60 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:08.360 my journey of the flat Earth basically started at the beginning of COVID. I 61 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:13.879 had I had torn retin in my eye, so I had to take time. 62 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:17.959 Now, I did not miss any any work during the entire you know, 63 00:05:18.800 --> 00:05:25.040 plandemic, but but I happen to have a few days off and I 64 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:27.839 think the surgery was on like a Thursday or Friday, and I asked to 65 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:30.600 do that so that way I could have a long weekend and recover from my 66 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:41.000 eyes. And I remember watching a YouTube video by narrated by Ed Asner called 67 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:45.639 Solving the Mystery of Building seven and it's a nine to eleven, you know, 68 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:50.759 architects and engineer's video. And when I saw the I went down the 69 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:54.959 rabbit hole, and over those few days as much as I could, I 70 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:59.800 was holding the uh, you know, my phone real close to my eyes, 71 00:05:59.839 --> 00:06:01.680 and and you know, I had to be careful how much I watched. 72 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:04.800 But that's I just went down the rabbit hole with that. From there, 73 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:11.519 I went to American Moon. Have you heard of that? The English 74 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:15.560 version is called American Moon. It's about Apollo eleven in the moonland. Oh 75 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:18.120 yeah, yeah, kind of a long video. And then I did that 76 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:23.120 uh JFK to nine to eleven. Every Man's Everything's a rich man's trick. 77 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:27.519 Yeah, that was I guess. And it's very interesting because now I go 78 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:30.600 back, and you know, at first I was trying to have practical reasons 79 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:33.240 why we didn't go to the moon from some of those things, you know, 80 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:39.639 but now having gone down the red hole or taken the red pill, 81 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:44.519 you know, some of those things are are ridiculous too. Even those reasons 82 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:48.839 why we don't leave those things happened are ridiculous. So it's like so, 83 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:53.759 and then I, you know, I went down more talking about the Titanic, 84 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:59.399 how it really didn't sink, and they sank the sister Ship, and 85 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:02.199 you know, all the those kinds of things. So one of other things 86 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:08.800 I don't think I've ever heard you talk about was is Rebecca Roth. So 87 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:13.600 I was. I really got into Rebecca Roth. And she's a flight attendant 88 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:20.160 and she's done a bunch of historical fiction books. And the reason she said 89 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:30.519 she's done that is because she likes to live. So and but her theory 90 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:33.720 for nine to eleven is basically that they flew something into the towers, but 91 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:42.240 they literally killed all the passengers in a hangar. So yeah, I believe 92 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:47.079 it was in the decommissioned military air base in Ohio, which is again if 93 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:50.519 you look back in nineteen sixty one, in the Operation Northwoods documents, one 94 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:55.600 of the scenarios that they were going to do was kind of have these two 95 00:07:55.639 --> 00:07:59.360 planes come together next and then switch them out, So the actual plane that 96 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:01.959 was going to get hit was different than the actual one that had taken off. 97 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:07.079 I think that's what happened to the plane that had the passengers. They 98 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:13.120 kind of I think it was a grown type of plane, remote control drone 99 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:16.639 that hit the buildings and the plane landed. And I even think that it's 100 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:20.839 not beyond the realms of possibility that they released something in the cabin and knocked 101 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:26.680 everybody out and they landed it remote control, and I wouldn't be surprised again. 102 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:31.320 So anyway, that's staff kind of where I went, you know. 103 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:35.039 And there's other videos and stuff, and you talked about some of the One 104 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:39.799 of the ones I thought was an excellent video was a guy named Galen Windsor, 105 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:43.720 and he talks about his employment worked with Plutoni. And I don't know 106 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:46.320 if he's ever Yeah, he drank it right, Well, he's swamming it, 107 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:48.879 swamming it, that's right. Yeah. I think, well, why 108 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:52.360 did you drank it too? I don't remember that. But I got to 109 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:54.039 tell you some of those videos, I really need to go back and rewatch 110 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:58.080 some of those things because it was like a fire hose fires, you know. 111 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:07.480 Yeah. But so anyway, that's kind of my journey, and you 112 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:11.840 know, I've got quite an extensive background with education. My wife and I 113 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:15.720 have been in ministry pretty much from the moment we got saved, both of 114 00:09:15.799 --> 00:09:18.559 us individually. You know, we didn't know each other at the time, 115 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:22.320 but when we got saved, we jumped into ministry. And I remember thinking, 116 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:26.840 my gosh, if people just share the truth, they'll want to know 117 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:31.039 work the truth. And I think that's been one of the biggest disappointments. 118 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:33.879 I don't think people really want to know the truth. I think they just 119 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:37.879 want validation of what they already believed. And we found out when we were 120 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:41.720 in the church. We've been in literally you know, I'm sixty actually my 121 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:48.399 birthday is New Year's Day, I'll be sixty sixty three. Yeah, and 122 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:52.519 you know, our whole life, we've been in ministry at doing things, 123 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:58.559 and you know, it's almost like they you're okay in the pulpit, we're 124 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:03.879 okay in the church. If tell them what they want to hear, you 125 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:07.120 know, they don't want to be challenged, kind of like Jesus's ministry. 126 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:09.559 You know, he doesn't want to be people didn't want to be challenged by 127 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:16.759 Jesus. Yeah, well, anyway, we go ahead. I was just 128 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:18.600 gonna say, that's a really great point, you know, walking up to 129 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:22.720 you know you're out there fishing, and then your challenge, I'm just a 130 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:28.159 fisherman, right and here you're I think it's a great point people with validation 131 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:31.679 of what they already believe. And I think that is something not just as 132 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:35.159 Christians, but as human beings that we fall prey to is not being open 133 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:37.639 minded. And the older we get, the more stubborn we become in our 134 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:41.600 ways, because not only you know, if we change our mind, well 135 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:46.759 that that means that our beliefs, our belief system that has been in place 136 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:50.559 for so long has been wrong. And I think people are more concerned with 137 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:56.720 putting on the blinders and going about their day. And because I think even 138 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:01.080 with COVID, which really opened more people's eyes, then I mean everybody I 139 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:05.720 bring on COVID had a large part of their awakening. There's still some people 140 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:09.399 that I think they get it, but they're afraid to, as they say, 141 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:13.120 take that pill because how much it would change their life, and they're 142 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:18.600 afraid of it. But I try to tell people it while it you look 143 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:22.080 at everything differently. I wouldn't change it for the world. There's the truth 144 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:24.639 and there's everything else, Jesus said, I am the Way, the Truth 145 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:31.360 and the life. My father always said, there's three sides there, your 146 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:33.960 side, my son, and the truth and the truth. You know, 147 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:37.320 yep, you know it's interesting. I'll want to talk a little bit, 148 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:41.200 just for a second about my education. Then I want to talk about the 149 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:46.480 questions of Jesus for a second before we launch into stuff. Sure. So 150 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:52.240 I basically I went down to Lo Charle College in Long Texas, Christian Christian 151 00:11:52.240 --> 00:12:00.279 engineering school after I graduate from high school and up. I was kind of 152 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:03.639 blown away by the I took some New Testament Old Testament classes test you know, 153 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:07.399 Bible survey class. I was blown away because I had never had anybody 154 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:11.799 teach me anything about the Bible. I didn't get saved till I was about 155 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:16.600 fifteen, So I was kind of blown away by that. And after the 156 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:20.000 first semester that I said to my dad, I want to go to the 157 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:22.960 Bible College, He's like, well, WHOA, we'll hold up, let's 158 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:26.159 finish out the first year. And I'm like, okay, fine whatever. 159 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:35.279 Ended up going to Philadelphia College at Bible in Pennsylvania. That's where I met 160 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:39.960 my wife. When we got married, we went down to Dallas Seminary. 161 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:46.200 So I ended up getting so so I ended up well. Actually before after 162 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:48.320 Latournal, I went to Bible College. And during Bible College, I went 163 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:54.919 over to Israel for a year and we lived in this school right there in 164 00:12:56.000 --> 00:13:00.840 Jerusalem, up not too far from the upper room I did, and and 165 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:03.840 and the kids that were so I hadn't met my wife. So when I 166 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:07.720 came back to school, I finished up Bible College, met my wife, 167 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:11.159 went down to Dallas Seminary. I did a four year master's there, you 168 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:13.960 know, the whole nine yard Greek Key group, you know, all that 169 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:18.840 kind of stuff. And then from there we went down to Virginia Beach and 170 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:24.519 uh worked on my doctor there and finished my doctor. But you know, 171 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:28.720 and all through that there's tons of ministry and all that kind of stuff. 172 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:31.519 And I don't say that to, you know, in any kind of bragging 173 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:35.519 way. I think sometimes people are like, well, you know, uh, 174 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:37.320 he went to seminary, so he's got a certain frame of mind. 175 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:41.240 Well, of course you do, because you know, you're they're just teaching 176 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:45.600 the things they've been taught. And then you end up stating that you're teaching 177 00:13:45.879 --> 00:13:50.559 things you've been taught. You know, but my wife and I have always 178 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:56.000 been people that are outside the box. I mean, we challenge authority. 179 00:13:56.000 --> 00:14:01.159 We challenge like, for example, on my on the honeymoon, our honeymoon, 180 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:05.120 I get pulled over in Washington, d C. For you know how 181 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:09.039 they have some of the streets you can only ride on there certain times and 182 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:11.720 the bus can music at the other time. Yeah, and I challenged. 183 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:15.480 I challenged the cop, you know. And uh So I've always been one 184 00:14:15.480 --> 00:14:20.840 of those people challenge something, you know, sure, And so anyway, 185 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:22.279 I'm not quite sure where I was going with that, except to say that 186 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:26.559 I'm not in full time insurance. We were at the moment. We have 187 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:30.159 been. We have been on and off throughout the years. But uh, 188 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:33.519 I think sometimes people don't want to be challenged from the pulpit. Is kind 189 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:39.320 of where and go with that, you know? So well, anyway, 190 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:43.799 one of the things I did, I think it's been about ten years now, 191 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:46.320 is I when I when my when my son, our youngest and we 192 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:50.039 have four kids and we have five grandchildren. When our youngest son was born, 193 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:56.879 I wrote, uh a dissertation which I later turned into a book, 194 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:03.720 and the book's called Uncommon Question from an extraordinary savior. And I really felt 195 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:07.200 that, you know, there's books out there on the miracles of Jesus, 196 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:11.840 there's books out there on the parables of Jesus. I started reading one day, 197 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:18.159 and I saw these questions that Jesus asked in scripture. And I'll give 198 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:22.600 you just an example of one. So this is from John, the first 199 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:30.440 chapter of John. Jesus say is walking along and John is there, and 200 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:33.840 of course John has his own disciples, right, And I'm picking up at 201 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:39.159 about verse thirty five of John chapter one and says, next day, John 202 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:45.840 was there a get two of his disciples, and when he saw Jesus passing 203 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:50.360 by, he said, look the lamb of God. When the two disciples 204 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:54.240 heard him say this, they followed Jesus turning around. Jesus saw them following 205 00:15:54.320 --> 00:16:00.919 and said, what do you want? Which is which blew me away the 206 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:04.799 first time I really saw them. I'm like, here's the very center of 207 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:07.919 God. And He's basically said, what do you want? I mean, 208 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:11.320 it's kind of you know, we do the same thing when our kids are 209 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:14.039 following us down the home, are getting annoyed, you know, returned around, 210 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:18.360 we go what do you want? You know, almost like he's bothered. 211 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:21.480 Right, So anyway, I kind of explored that idea, and when 212 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:23.960 I worked on a dissertation. My dissertation, by the way, took place, 213 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:29.720 my doctor took place during the time of nine to eleven, before, 214 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:33.720 during, and after. Okay, so that tells me how far back twenty 215 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:37.559 years or whatever. But I ended up I really felt the Lord gave me 216 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:45.840 this subtitle for my book. Jesus never asked a question because he needed to 217 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:51.440 know the answer. Meaning out of the three hundred and forty questions that Jesus 218 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:59.039 asks in the New Testament and on one hundred and fifteen summer occasions, right, 219 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:03.960 he ever asked a question because he needs to know the answer. And 220 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:06.039 I'll give you. I'll give you an example. And this isn't in the 221 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:07.559 book either, the one I just ready there is, I don't. I 222 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:14.079 don't think I have john one in the book either. But in Mark chapter 223 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:23.319 nine, Jesus is approaching a father whose son is demon possessed, and Jesus 224 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:26.759 says, how long has he been like this meaning the son? How long 225 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:30.559 has the son been them? Which is which is really kind of an interesting 226 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:36.680 question that you or I would ask. But if you're God, what does 227 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:38.799 it matter if it's a day, an hour, a week, a month 228 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:42.000 since birth, you know that sort of thing. It doesn't matter. And 229 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:47.759 this is the thing about Jesus's questions. They're not that he didn't ask him 230 00:17:47.759 --> 00:17:51.680 because he needed to know the answer. He's asked him because someone else around 231 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:53.960 him needed to know the answer. I don't know if you've got a chance 232 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:59.799 to look through the through the book or read any of the the chapters in 233 00:17:59.839 --> 00:18:02.640 the Yeah, I did check. I did read six or nine as you 234 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:10.200 as you said, okay, good, Yeah, So I mean, I 235 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:14.559 think it's just fascinating the things that he's trying to pull out of people when 236 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:19.359 he asked these questions. Anyway, I won't say any more about that unless 237 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:25.519 you want to let me to go down. No, not not at all. 238 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:27.599 It all makes great sense. And what made you decide to actually put 239 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:30.799 your like you said it was much of the dissertation is what you put in 240 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:34.880 the book. But what made you decide to what motivated you to put it 241 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:42.000 out as a book? Not really sure. I just felt like it was 242 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:47.519 good material maybe, and and that as far as I could tell nowhere, 243 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:52.200 I had really done a definitive work on Jesus' questions. I mean, some 244 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:56.720 people did some of the questions and they didn't really I didn't really like the 245 00:18:56.759 --> 00:19:00.880 commentary that they gave about those. Like I said, I've always kind of 246 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:08.480 challenged what I've heard from others. You know, So I don't know the 247 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:14.079 motivation I think was pure, sure, I'll say that, but I just 248 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:18.039 found a very fascinating one to see if other people wanted to share in that. 249 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:21.759 And and I tell you what, I I don't think I've ever really 250 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:25.200 sold sold a copy. I ended up giving them away, keep them in 251 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:27.440 my vehicle when I'm working at people's homes. You know, I'll cite it. 252 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:30.480 I just a matter of fact, I just signed one on Friday to 253 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:34.680 a realtor. If I said, Merrik Christmas, so you know his questions 254 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:40.720 are and lead you closer relationship with him. That's sort of so. And 255 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:42.599 again, if somebody wants a copy, they can email you at the Chris 256 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:48.400 Bosong at gmail dot com. Yeah, that that would be yeah, okay, 257 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:52.880 I like I, like I mentioned before, we push record a. 258 00:19:52.680 --> 00:19:55.920 They're out there on Amazon, but I don't get a penny. I don't 259 00:19:55.920 --> 00:19:57.640 know who's getting that money. I've never sold one on Amazon. I've never 260 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:02.119 shipped one to anyone. I don't know if somebody out there has got a 261 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:04.839 copy of it in there. You know. I've done a few updates though, 262 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:08.519 and I think the version I had here, maybe in the version I 263 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:15.759 mailed to you has has an update there. But so I think, I 264 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:21.279 think, I think maybe this would be a conversation you can come back to, 265 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:26.039 maybe right before Easter, because there's quite a few questions in the book 266 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:30.880 about the last week in Jesus's life. I think kind of get me in 267 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:34.839 the mood for you know, sometimes you got to prepare for the holidays now, 268 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:40.720 and this one kind of prepares you for Easter, you know, across 269 00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:48.240 that sort of thing. So well, anyway, one of the things that 270 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:55.000 I was hoping to kind of talk to you about and your audience was, 271 00:20:55.000 --> 00:21:00.599 was where I'm at with flat Earth and when it comes to the where I'm 272 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:07.640 at with flatterth and scripture and I'm putting together in the last I don't even 273 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:10.920 know, and I have free time the last couple of years, last year 274 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:15.519 or two maybe actually I've only been a flat Earth maybe maybe since the beginning 275 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:18.519 of this year, so it's about a year about it hasn't even Yeah, 276 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:22.759 yeah, maybe it's because we're at the end of December, so and I'm 277 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:26.440 kind of trying to put together. What I'm trying to do is process everything 278 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:30.279 I've ever know about, say, Genesis one and two and the Creation. 279 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:34.480 Some of it does touch on flat Earth, some of it doesn't touch on 280 00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:37.799 flat earth. But where it does, how do we make sense of that? 281 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:41.640 And I've listened to a good bit of your podcast, and I listened 282 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:45.599 to your guests and that sort of thing, and I feel like some of 283 00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:49.039 them have a good solid foundation. A lot of people are asking questions, 284 00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:53.680 you know. And I'm not trying to be the expert on how to develop 285 00:21:53.720 --> 00:22:00.599 a biblical cosmology on Genesis, but I hear a lot of things being said 286 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:06.279 and writ you know, people writing books and that sort of thing. I'm 287 00:22:06.319 --> 00:22:11.200 not necessarily talking about flat earthings, but through the years when I've heard stuff, 288 00:22:12.640 --> 00:22:17.680 I think a lot of times people are kind of groping for straws, 289 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:25.799 you know, And I think I'll come out of the gates running to catch 290 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:30.880 the attention of you and your listeners, and this may make them angry and 291 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:36.200 may may make them walk away from the podcast, But I implore you all 292 00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:40.640 to listen very carefully what I'm going to say, and then we'll come back 293 00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:45.920 and we'll put some meat on the bones. But I think we are trying 294 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:55.319 to develop a biblical understanding of flat Earth. We need to give up the 295 00:22:55.359 --> 00:23:03.640 notion that the Bible teaches that the universe was created in six days. There's 296 00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:08.319 a more inscription that the Bible says the universe was created in six days. 297 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:15.160 And whenever I say that to people right away, they tune me out and 298 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:18.079 they start looking through the Bible and they start versus that sort of. But 299 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:22.319 I want to build a little bit of a foundation by saying you had you 300 00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:26.559 had a guy on your show the other day named John, I thinking a 301 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:30.920 pastor, and and he was kind of hinting around at some things. One 302 00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:37.079 of the things I told you in our in my initial email to you, 303 00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:45.039 was that I've challenged Old Earth creations and Young Earth creationism. They're usually to 304 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:52.759 toll to the two schools of thoughts, so so Old Earth creationism basically believes 305 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:56.519 that if we take each of the days six days, and we put him 306 00:23:56.559 --> 00:24:00.759 into millions or billions years, you know, that's that's how God created the 307 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:08.160 universe and through popular with a lot of authors. Right now, Young Earth 308 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:14.640 Creation isn't basically says everything is less than sixtus well or around six thousand years 309 00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:25.880 ago. Where I'm coming from from Scripture actually is that I believe Scripture teaches 310 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:37.640 that God created the universe and then he took six days to fashion the biosp 311 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:42.480 so so he creates the earth that he can get. And by the way, 312 00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:45.880 Joe, free to interrupt me. I want to have more of a 313 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:51.039 conversation than me. Sure, Just just let's want to give you a chance 314 00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:55.039 to lay your your actual what what you're thinking out to the face. So 315 00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:59.480 here's the thing. In the beginning, God created the universe. Yep, 316 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.920 God created the heavens and the earth. King James says the heaven, but 317 00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:07.079 the Hebrew where there is plural, so it really doesn't wire. And it 318 00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:11.079 began God created the heavens and earth verse two. When we get the verse 319 00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:17.960 two, most people, especially and I'm not and by the way, when 320 00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:21.200 I say Young Earth creations, I'm not. I'm not busting on anybody here 321 00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:26.000 at all. But most people, especially Young Earth Creations, have no idea 322 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:30.279 what they'll do with first two. And I'm reading I think out of the 323 00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:33.880 Niger. Chapter one says, now the earth was formless and empty, and 324 00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:37.839 darkness was over the surface of the spirit of God was hovering over the waters, 325 00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:42.480 and God said, let her be light. Now, it's very interesting 326 00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:51.240 because what Moses is doing here is he's describing the conditions of the earth prior 327 00:25:51.279 --> 00:25:55.400 to let there be light and everybody. A lot of times people say, 328 00:25:55.519 --> 00:26:02.079 well, what he's doing is he's describing the conditions of the earth or conditions 329 00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:07.839 of creation prior to him creating yours. Well, if I if I have 330 00:26:08.119 --> 00:26:11.640 a lump of pizza that I that I put in the fridge for a day 331 00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:15.240 or two and then I take it out, and then I'm going to make 332 00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:21.640 a pizza today, that love of pizza was made a day or two though 333 00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:26.880 wasn't made. It wasn't made today. So to me, that and that 334 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:33.279 that reasoning doesn't hold up. So what the mistake that we make is we 335 00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:37.839 make the mistake of thinking that verse one and verse two are part of day 336 00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:42.799 one and they're not. And and here's here's and I'll give you. I'll 337 00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:48.400 try to give you examples as we go through this of things I can stick 338 00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:52.160 in your mind and you can think on For example, it's Christmas. Now 339 00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:56.599 we sing the song Twelve Days of Christmas. We all know the song. 340 00:26:56.680 --> 00:26:59.720 Right on the first day of Christmas, my true love gave to me a 341 00:26:59.799 --> 00:27:03.200 part Gina pay tree. Right, there's the end. Next day, on 342 00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:06.519 the second day of Christmas, my truly love give me the partridge or two 343 00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:10.799 total bubbs and prtrogen peer treat third day, third day of Christmas. Might 344 00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:14.799 truly gave them me three French hands, two totals and a portray. So 345 00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:18.880 this song follows a pattern. It follows the pattern on the first day of 346 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:22.960 Christmas. That's how it starts, and it ends a partigen a pear tree. 347 00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:30.240 Now if we look at if we look beginning with verse three of Genesis 348 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:37.720 one, each of those days general and speaking begins with the phrase evening and 349 00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:44.400 morning. I'm sorry, doesn't begin with that ends with evening where it begins 350 00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:49.039 with and God said. So each of those days begins with and God said, 351 00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:56.880 and each of those days ends with evening and morning. Day X. 352 00:27:56.279 --> 00:28:02.119 I see where you're getting at. So those two eber phrases don't begin until 353 00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:11.160 verse three. So what I'm trying to say is that God creates the universe. 354 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:15.400 And then we have this dilemma. We have the earth sitting there, 355 00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:22.799 and what's the spirit of God doing the Spirit of God? And depending on 356 00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:30.720 your translation, the spirit of God is brooding or hovering over the waters. 357 00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:41.119 Now, the word there for brood or hubb is also used by Moses in 358 00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:51.920 Deuterotoity Deuteronomy thirty to eleven of an eagle who's brooding over its nest. So 359 00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:56.799 when we talk about you, I know you have animals there. Yeah, 360 00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:00.119 we had chickens. You've got chickens of it. Do you know how long 361 00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:04.960 the chicken sits over it's eggs? Well, for us, it's until we 362 00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:14.559 chase them off. Well, that's a good example. But one day. 363 00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:15.839 Yeah, if it's twenty one days, obviously, if it's for a hatch 364 00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:19.359 situation, he has three weeks. Yeah, yeah, right now, if 365 00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:25.920 you're now an albatross, they actually take turns to parents. They sit over 366 00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:30.319 their eggs for about seventy to eighty days, okay, And then you have 367 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:36.839 an emperor penguin and they brewed over their eggs your chicks for a total of 368 00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:41.799 one ten, one hundred and fifteen days. Now, Moses could have ridden 369 00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:48.079 anything he wanted describing the spirit about harvering over those words between Genesis one to 370 00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:56.480 one and Genesis two, foarders over eighty verbs and infinitives that Moses uses. 371 00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:02.640 And yet in verse two he picks a verb that implies the passage of time. 372 00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:07.279 Why of all the verse he could have used, why pick a verb 373 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:12.000 that implies the passage of time? Do you see what I'm saying? So 374 00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:15.359 the Spirit of God is rooting over the water is in the same way that 375 00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:30.119 a bird roots over it's young its eys. So I suggest that verses one, 376 00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:34.319 in verses two, or at least verse two, is imphy deep time 377 00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:41.519 before the infamous words or famous words let there be light. Now, I 378 00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:45.160 said to you, this isn't the gap theory. Here's what the gap there 379 00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:51.440 is. The gap theory is that between verses one and two there's a gap 380 00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:56.119 of time. And the reason we think there's the reason that people are hold 381 00:30:56.160 --> 00:31:00.279 of the gap theories think there's a gap of time between verses one and two 382 00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:06.839 is because when they get the verse two, they translate the verb there. 383 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:15.119 Instead of saying was now the earth was, they translated the earth be chained? 384 00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:19.519 And of course it was is italicized. It's meant to be emphasized. 385 00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:23.400 It's meant to be emphasized. Yeah. But here's the thing. People say, 386 00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:26.920 you believe in the GAF theory. They say, well, there could 387 00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:30.279 be a gap of time between verses two and three. But let me step 388 00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:33.759 back to verses one and two and talk about the GAF they and what the 389 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:37.680 GAF theory says is the gap theory says that God created the earth and then 390 00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:41.160 there was this angelic fight and the earth got destroyed and it's sitting in verse 391 00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:48.880 two in chaos, right, And I don't think that's what happened at all, 392 00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:51.960 because the grammar doesn't allowed. I'll tell you why the grammar doesn't allow. 393 00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:56.680 Because in verse two, if I said to you, George, where 394 00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:00.160 have you been? And you say to me, I has a way to 395 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:04.640 the store, that's your answer. Now is a good grammar? No? 396 00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:07.000 Do I understand what you mean? Sure? I know where you are. 397 00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:14.799 Is it possible that that's a translation of what you mean? Is that Is 398 00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:17.680 it a good translation with me? No, it's really not. I has 399 00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:22.880 went to the store. So is it likely that Moses, under the inspiration 400 00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:27.839 of the Holy Spirit, would have said I has went to the store. 401 00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:31.440 No, he's not going to say that. So basically the example of the 402 00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:37.799 word, if we translate the word as became, we're using bad grammar that 403 00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:40.519 neither Moses would use, nor the Holy Spirit would, you see. So 404 00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:45.920 that's why I dismissed the gap. I dismissed the gap three based on the 405 00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:52.279 syntax, the grammar of of and the and really the context of of what's 406 00:32:52.319 --> 00:33:00.480 going on here. But before verse three, uh, or rather beginning in 407 00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:09.000 verse three, God then prepares the earth for life, and he prepares the 408 00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:13.759 bias. Ye. Now in verse one we have this, we have this 409 00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:21.799 verb bara b a r a, and that verse that verb appears in verse 410 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:27.839 one in the beginning of God Bara the heavens and the earth. That verb 411 00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:32.279 does not appear on day one. If you begin day one with verse three, 412 00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:37.400 it doesn't be. It's not in day two, it's not in day 413 00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:42.599 three, it doesn't appear on day four, and it only appears on days 414 00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:49.759 five and six in conjunction with the creation of life. And when you turn 415 00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:54.079 the Exodus chapter twenty, people say, well it says there that God created 416 00:33:54.119 --> 00:34:00.279 the earth in six days. Well it it doesn't. Let's look at verse 417 00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:06.160 eleven, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth and 418 00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:07.639 the sea. You know, it's all in them. He rested on the 419 00:34:07.679 --> 00:34:13.679 seventh day there for God bless the Sabbath and made it holy. So the 420 00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:17.679 word creates not there in the Hebrew. It's not there nobody I think of 421 00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:24.280 all the translations I've ever found, one time, one one translation used the 422 00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:29.920 word creator. But the Hebrew word bara b a r a is not there. 423 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:36.320 It's it's the Hebrew word a saw a a a s a h as 424 00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:42.440 saw God the Lord a saw the heavens and earth. Now what is a 425 00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:49.559 sam? A saw means to make? But I think make is a really 426 00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:54.559 poor English translation, because because you know Christmas is coming, I don't know 427 00:34:54.599 --> 00:35:00.880 if you guys are going to make any pies. You're not going to create 428 00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:05.599 the pie. You're gonna make the pie. You're going to take apples, 429 00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:07.559 and you're going to take flour and all that kind of stuff, and you're 430 00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:12.360 gonna make and bake a pie. Now, the word the word a saw 431 00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:17.000 or if from Jersey we'd say asa a s a same same word, right, 432 00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:22.079 asa a saw. It can be translated over seveny different ways in the 433 00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:31.199 Old Testament, so we had words like pair, uh, make do that 434 00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:37.960 sort of thing. But never ever, ever, once anywhere is a saw 435 00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:44.159 ever created as a translated as create. Now. I'll give you example of 436 00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:50.679 besides the pie. Let's say you've gotta you're sitting in front of you got 437 00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:54.400 a couple of little plastic jars of plato, right, got a red jar, 438 00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:58.719 and you got a blue jar gonna yellow joy. And I asked you 439 00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:01.679 to make some So you open up one of the jars, and you know, 440 00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:05.960 you smell it. It smells great, like when we were kids used 441 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:07.719 to taste it, all that kind of stuff. So maybe you make a 442 00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:12.800 tree, maybe you make a ball, maybe you make a dog that sort 443 00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:17.400 of thing, right, but you didn't actually you didn't actually create anything. 444 00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:24.800 You made something or you reformed it or you fashioned it. This is a 445 00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:31.840 saw. So it's translated seventy different ways into King James, but never once 446 00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:37.599 is it created or is it translated create now. Truth be told. Even 447 00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:45.199 Hasbro doesn't create play them. They make play right from stuff that ever exists, 448 00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:52.519 right yep. Which is which is very interesting because in the Old Testament 449 00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:58.280 Book of Esther, when we turn to the Book of asked just a second. 450 00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:06.039 I'm in chapter five of the Book of Esther, beginning around verse four, 451 00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:13.800 the queen prepares a feast for wicked Haman, and the verb there for 452 00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:19.320 prepares is asa or a saw. If we're saying, by the way, 453 00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:21.599 when I lived, I just just want to get this off my chest. 454 00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:25.119 So I lived in Israel, people say dave it King David, and I 455 00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:30.199 said, you mean King David, or said Yasu, Oh, do you 456 00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:32.559 mean Jesus. Let's let it worry English. Let's let's just say Jesus. 457 00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:37.159 Let's just ry David. I don't have to say dalby. And you know, 458 00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:40.400 so asa or a saw? Right. But anyway, what Queen Esther 459 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:45.480 does here is she prepares that influenced meal for Haman, and she praares it 460 00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:52.880 from things that already were created goats, fish, sheep, wine, you 461 00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:55.960 know, et cetera, et cetera. So she didn't bara b a r 462 00:37:57.079 --> 00:38:02.559 a or create the meal she arepared. And this is why I say never 463 00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:09.840 once in scripture, and you see that God created the or borrow the universe 464 00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:15.440 in six days. It says in Genesis one one he borrowed the universe, 465 00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:22.320 and then later it says he prepared the universe. And why it's so? 466 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:29.320 Why is this important? It's important because if we if words mean something, 467 00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:34.440 and so we flatters say, well, the earth's not a sphere, but 468 00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:37.800 the earth is round. So my wife said to me, smart, what's 469 00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.119 the dear swing round in a sphere? You know we've we've parted that before. 470 00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:44.519 Sure, Well a ball is round, but a plate is a sphere. 471 00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:47.719 So if we're going to parse words as flatter rhythms, less parts, 472 00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:54.280 parse words in Hebrew in the Bible, the biblic Biblical Hebrew has less than 473 00:38:54.360 --> 00:39:00.400 nine thousand. It barely has over eighty somewhere between eighty two and eighty six 474 00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:06.760 hundred words in Biblical Hebrew. Our English language has somewhere to one hundred fifty 475 00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.880 thousand and two hundred and fifty thousand words. So for every one word in 476 00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:15.679 Hebrew, there's twenty words in English English. Right, Yeah, And yet 477 00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:22.480 when people read and I don't think they do this purposely, but when they 478 00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:27.119 read the word make for in six days, the Lord made the heavens of 479 00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:30.079 the earth. In their mind, right, I didn't think of about it. 480 00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:35.480 They say, oh, God created the earth in six days. That's 481 00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:37.880 not what it says. It says in the beginning God created the heavens of 482 00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:43.960 the earth, and then it says for in six days God prepared the heavens. 483 00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:50.960 Big. It makes a big difference there. So all the time people 484 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:53.039 say, well, these two words are synonyms for synonyms or synonyms, and 485 00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:55.559 again I go back to the fact, well they're not. If we're going 486 00:39:55.599 --> 00:40:00.599 to parse words, they're not. They mean commpletely different things. And if 487 00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:07.079 the word a saw meant create, then we ought to be able to find 488 00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:08.159 a version that has the word created. Now, by the way, I 489 00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:13.480 will say that in order for a book to be a Bible to be copagraded, 490 00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:16.679 my understanding is it has to have I don't know ten different words than 491 00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:22.159 any other version of the Bible that's out there. So Bible translators do get 492 00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:24.639 created. Then they start using synonyms. Now, and in the English, 493 00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:30.519 when we use the word create, make interchange in me. We do it 494 00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:34.199 all the time. I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm going to create a pie or 495 00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:37.360 I'm going to create a painting. Well, what we really may mean is 496 00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:42.599 we're going to make see. So this is the difference splitting here is between 497 00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:49.719 those two words now I want to say something here, here's an analogy of 498 00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:54.599 why these two words aren't synonyms. So I mentioned to you before we pushed 499 00:40:54.639 --> 00:40:59.679 record that one of the things I've been doing my whole life is painting and 500 00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:02.119 handing, then working in the ministry and going to school and that sort of 501 00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:06.840 thing. I got my first professional pay job when I was eight. I 502 00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:09.360 had a there was a guy in my brother's people were out back in New 503 00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:14.039 Jersey who needed some of the paint is garage, you know, nineteen sixty 504 00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:16.239 eight, sixty nine, something like that. I got twenty bucks, you 505 00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:21.440 know, for paint and his garage and so so. So here's an analogy. 506 00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:22.559 This is the true story. This goes back a couple of weeks, 507 00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:28.039 a couple of years. So I had this. I had this guy that 508 00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:36.440 wanted me to come in and work work on his bathroom. Now, when 509 00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:39.239 I say work on his bathroom, the word work is that word acea. 510 00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:45.199 If I said to you, George, can you excuse me for a moment, 511 00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:49.480 I got to get up and I got to do the dishes? What 512 00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:54.039 is doing the dishes? Well? In Hebrew? Do is asa? Now? 513 00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:59.639 What do they do to the dishes? I didn't I didn't, you 514 00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:05.360 know, warmed them. I didn't nate them. So this word is a 515 00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:10.079 very big word in the Hebrew, so listen to this. I went to 516 00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:15.239 this guy's house. I ripped the sink in the countertop out of the bathroom 517 00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:22.039 after turning the water off, and then I removed the toilet. I repaired 518 00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:29.920 the toilet flange. I replaced the abs piping that was causing flooding down there 519 00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:32.920 in the bathroom. I sealed the drain shut, I repainted the door. 520 00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:37.639 I put in a new cabinet. I installed a sink. I seated the 521 00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:40.760 toilet, and it goes on and on and on right calk where necessary. 522 00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:46.480 So when it was all done, I emailed the guy and he signed me 523 00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:57.239 for remodeling his bathroom. So he used one word to thank me for for 524 00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:02.840 dozens of different yeah. Yeah, So between Genesis one to one and Genesis 525 00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:07.440 two four, we have over eighty verbs and infinitives. Now I want to 526 00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:10.320 take you into Genesis two for just a second. Genesis two, because this 527 00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:19.400 is where people get hung up verse beginning of verse one. Thus the heavens 528 00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:22.159 and the earth were completed in all their mast array. By the seventh day, 529 00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:27.280 God had finished the work he had been doing that we're doing. There 530 00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:34.440 is asa or a saw. I keep reverting to my joysy accent. So 531 00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:37.639 on the seventh day he wrested from his work. And God blessed the seventh 532 00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:42.800 day, and he made it holy because on it he rested from all the 533 00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:51.239 work of what creating Bara and all that he had done asa. And here's 534 00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:58.760 here's another thing I find people. People limit the scripture. I just told 535 00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:01.679 you how I renovated the athroom, and I used over a dozen verbs. 536 00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:08.119 When we read when we read this verse three, year of chapter two, 537 00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:15.320 verse three, we said, well, create and make are the same their 538 00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:19.480 synonyms? Why are they sin? That is the scripture? Why are we 539 00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:27.920 limiting God to one action when I when I used twelve different verbs to renovate 540 00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:31.920 a bathroom, right, so they're not synonyms. And we make the mistake 541 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:37.039 by making them synonyms. And when we may make the mistake by making them 542 00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:43.159 synonyms, we come up with theologies that are biblical. And let me give 543 00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:46.000 an example. And I hear this all the time. Well, the first 544 00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:50.280 thing God that was said, let there be light. So God creates light. 545 00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:52.880 Well, it never says by the way he created light, he just 546 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:58.280 what he did was the earth is described in verse two as sitting in the 547 00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:04.840 darkness, and in verse three he allows, he commands that light come and 548 00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:08.000 pierce that darkness. And then they'll say, well, he didn't create the 549 00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:13.239 sullen mood till the fourth dead. Well, let's go look at the fourth 550 00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:17.719 day. And we're parts and words here because we're flat earthers and we like 551 00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:22.639 the parsers and we like to get things right. So look at verse fourteen. 552 00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:25.360 And God said, let there be lights in the expanse of this guy, 553 00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:29.199 to separate the day from night, and let them serve as signs to 554 00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:31.239 mark seasons and days and years, and let them be his lights, and 555 00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:34.480 the expansive guy to get light under the earth. And it was so. 556 00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:37.119 And God made two great lights, the greater light to governor day, in 557 00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:43.000 unlesser light to government to night. He also made the stars. So the 558 00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:49.719 verst thing we should notice about that versus that that the word creates not there. 559 00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:57.079 It doesn't say that God created the sun moaning stars. What did he 560 00:45:57.159 --> 00:46:00.920 do? He made them? Well, he he made, he prepared it. 561 00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:04.320 I don't even like to use the word me. And people say, 562 00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:07.639 well, you're changing that you're changing. No, I think made is misleading. 563 00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:15.239 Okay, he made them, but didn't he already create the universe in 564 00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:17.719 the beginning, it says in verse one. In the beginning, God created 565 00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:21.559 the heavens in New York, now heavens in Europe, and is some mirrorsm 566 00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:27.480 the Hebrew MIRRORSM for everything. So on first, on day four, he 567 00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:31.960 felt it necessary to prepare the sun in the mood. And then he also 568 00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:38.559 assigns them they I'm trying to look for this place where he says he he 569 00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:44.639 says, and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give 570 00:46:44.719 --> 00:46:47.400 what and he and he and he did that. So the word Nathan, 571 00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:52.840 this is the whole third word n A t h A n. The word 572 00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:54.800 Nathan means to assign. So what did I What did God do? On 573 00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:59.519 day four? He prepared the sun in the moon. I'm using the word 574 00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:01.320 prepared etentally because I don't want to use the word made, because when we 575 00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:07.920 s here it made, and he create, He prepared, and he has 576 00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:12.920 signed the sun in the movie. Why did he only prepare them? And 577 00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:16.119 why did he? In verse seventeen, he says he set them in the 578 00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:22.440 expanse of the sky. That's the word nathan. Set set them is the 579 00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:27.239 Hebrew word Nathan. So what did God doing dayfore? He prepared the sun 580 00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:34.800 and the moon, and he has signed they existed before verse three, Let 581 00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:39.119 there be light. So here's the mistake we made. We make the mistake 582 00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:45.679 of thinking that God did all this in six days, when scripture, in 583 00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:50.239 my opinion, doesn't teach it. And when and when we do that, 584 00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:57.519 we go down. We put the Bible in very difficult predicaments. We forced 585 00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:00.119 the Bible to say things that the Bible's not saying. We forced the Bible 586 00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:04.920 to say that God created the universe in six days, when the Bible doesn't 587 00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:08.000 say it created. God created the use six days. It says it created 588 00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:12.880 it getting and then he prepared it. And by the way, if you 589 00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:16.559 go if you go to Exodus and read verse eleven, it doesn't even have 590 00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:22.960 the work in in Exodus twenty eleven. It doesn't say for in six days 591 00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:30.239 the inn is supplied by the translators. It says for six days the Lord 592 00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:39.159 arranged, worked, prepared foreign fashion, I mean seventy seventy to sending thems 593 00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:45.719 in English, not create that God, God did the heavens and the earth 594 00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:52.880 and all that's in and he rested on the seventh day. So I'll stop 595 00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:54.239 for a second. Yeah, let me ask you a couple of questions. 596 00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:57.719 Let you jump in. Yeah, for sure. Number one, we know 597 00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:02.840 like every time something gets translated, a little bit gets lost. How important 598 00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:07.360 And I'm not saying everybody should stop what they're doing and learn Hebrew, but 599 00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:10.880 to fully understand the Bible in its original form? How important is it, 600 00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:15.880 because I'm assuming you did with all the time that you had in school, 601 00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:21.519 how important is it to really understand Hebrew to get a full understanding of the 602 00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:24.599 Bible. Well, here's what I always say. I always say, most 603 00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:28.760 of this can just be found by looking, like saying strongs, concordance, 604 00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:31.559 right, good Bible dictionactionally. So what Hebrew did for me, and nobody 605 00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:36.400 speaks biblically Hebrew, by the way, it's not a non spoken language, 606 00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:39.760 right, what it did for me was it took me. It took me 607 00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:46.199 to such depths in my education that I'm able to look at a commentary now 608 00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:52.800 and have the confidence to say that's not what it's saying. And that confidence 609 00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:55.880 is the same confidence when you go to a medical surgeon and he takes one 610 00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:59.440 look at you and he says, yeah, this is what you have. 611 00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:05.639 I'm I'm getting hernia surgery. Here on the twentieth right, the guy never 612 00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:09.519 eating got up out of the chair doctor during Nicoles consultation. I just stood 613 00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:13.079 up and I showed showed him, you know, I got a bulge on 614 00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:15.880 the front of me. Without getting too graphic. He said, oh, 615 00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:17.119 yeah, you got to hearn you. Now, how can he do that 616 00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:22.400 because he was taken to great depths in his training and in his and his 617 00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:29.719 experience to the point that he's able to stand up against those that are not 618 00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:34.159 necessarily giving us what the Bible says. And I'm not saying they're being deceptents. 619 00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:37.880 I don't think by teachers, by professors were being accept they were just 620 00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:42.360 regurgitating what they were. So a person out there is listened to this podcast, 621 00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:44.920 I mean, take a strong cords and look, there's two words up. 622 00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:50.119 You'll see a saw. You'll see seventy different meetings. You'll never see 623 00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:54.440 it used as the word create. So if God did create the universe in 624 00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:59.679 six days, then what is going on in verse two? Look at the 625 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:06.440 description of the earth in verse two. It's described in great detail. It's 626 00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:10.519 described as formless, empty, darkness of the service, deep, the spirit 627 00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:15.199 of God's hovering over the waters. That's a lot of stuff to be going 628 00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:21.679 on if it isn't already created, right, And I want to ask you 629 00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:23.719 a question, and it might hurt your head, because every time I try 630 00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:27.760 to think about it, my mind kind of collapses. And I generally don't 631 00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:31.119 ask this question. But this is just from a kind of a philosopher point 632 00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:35.719 of view. Uh, And I want to say the very very first verse 633 00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:39.840 of the Bible, it says in the beginning, I'm kjva here in the 634 00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:49.119 beginning, God created the heaven and the earth. So why did God? 635 00:51:49.480 --> 00:51:52.760 In your opinion? And again there's I don't know if it's a way to 636 00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:54.559 answer this. And again it melts your mind when you try to think about 637 00:51:54.599 --> 00:52:02.960 it. Why did God create heaven in the earth? And you know, 638 00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:07.199 did time start? You know, whether it was sixty five hundred years ago? 639 00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:12.440 What was going on? Why? Again, it's it's a kind of 640 00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:15.760 an interesting question to ask, But why did God decide to create what he 641 00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:22.440 did? Knowing how flawed the creation would would turn out? I'm not sure 642 00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:29.599 I could personally answer that question. I don't know. I'm not sure I 643 00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:35.679 know the answer. Why. All we know is what he did, and 644 00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:38.480 I feel like we can look back and say how he did it with some 645 00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:45.320 confidence. You asked another question here. I'm trying to know what it was? 646 00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:51.440 What was was? Wherein a time starts? Because it's kind of oh 647 00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:54.559 yeah, yeah, yeah. I personally think time started with Genesis one one, 648 00:52:55.159 --> 00:53:00.639 whether were there or not, whether the sun is going aroun twenty four 649 00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:02.800 hours or not. I think, I think time, I think everything. 650 00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:09.639 I think everything was created in verse one. The only exception to that is 651 00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:15.719 life. Life wasn't created in verse one. We don't have life being created 652 00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:22.320 until we have first Day's five six. But we still have time. So 653 00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:28.840 even before verse three, let there be light, there's time because we have 654 00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:35.800 the Spirit of God rooting over the earth. Like again, I repeating myself, 655 00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:38.480 but what a weird verb to use if you don't want to convey the 656 00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:44.480 passage of time. He could have used any other verb there. The Spirit 657 00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:47.800 of God glanced, the Spirit of God contemplated, the Spirit of God thought 658 00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:53.239 about, No, he's brooting, And the only picture that a Hebrew would 659 00:53:53.280 --> 00:54:00.239 have is a bird mooting over it tanks complies the passage of time. Can't 660 00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:05.280 answer the why question, but the time questions is kind of easy there. 661 00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:08.480 Uh By the way, I do want to say that sometimes people say, 662 00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:12.800 well, Genesis one one is just uh, it's just telling me what God. 663 00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:15.639 It's a summary verse. In the beginning God created the heavens and Europe, 664 00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:20.760 and then then he begins to tell you how God unpacked. Well, 665 00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:24.039 I got a bunch of books. And the way that we write titles on 666 00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:30.239 books is we we and the same things in the Hebrew is normally you take 667 00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:35.679 out a word. So normal normally when we write a title of a book 668 00:54:35.679 --> 00:54:42.440 in English, we take out the verb. So I got killing the s 669 00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:45.000 s bill o'right now, there is a verb there, but it's not a 670 00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:53.159 set. Killing the SS is in zincomplete. Right. The reporter who knew 671 00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:58.559 too much? Oh yeah, Gary Webb? Right, so that's Mark Shaw 672 00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:01.440 Dorothy chill Gallan. Have you ever gone down the cool Uh now, I'm 673 00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:05.440 familiar with the Gary Webb, that guy who knew too much? But uh 674 00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:09.679 so this is the reporter who knew too much? So Dorothy kill Gallant was 675 00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:19.039 the only person besides an official FBI or uh policeman to interview. Oh the 676 00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:22.840 JFK Lady Jack Ruby. Yes, yes, yes, yes, I have 677 00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:29.039 heard. Then she's suddenly overdosed in uh having never done the drugs. Yeah, 678 00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:30.880 A on the way, My point is that that verse one is not 679 00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:35.920 a it's not a title, it's not a summary. It's not a preview 680 00:55:35.920 --> 00:55:39.039 of what's coming. It's actually it's it's a statement of action already done because 681 00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:44.800 it has a Bourbon near as a subject Bourbon predicate in the beginning got created 682 00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:49.960 the heavens. Anyway, So again I've talked too much over over top of 683 00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:52.920 what you were probably gonna say. No, that's fine. You you go 684 00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:55.920 into great detail and that's uh, that's great to know, and you have 685 00:55:57.000 --> 00:56:00.079 the experience. So I'd like to hear all the different sides and everybody can 686 00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:06.119 take it. And again that's that's the beautiful thing about this, bringing everybody 687 00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:08.519 on and to share their beliefs. By the way, I forgot about this. 688 00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:13.039 Your father went to high school with Carl Sagan. Yes he did. 689 00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:15.679 Yeah, so my dad's still alive. I wrote an article a couple of 690 00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:20.760 years ago, and every one in a while I'll post it somewhere. The 691 00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:23.360 tale of two Carls because my dad's name is Carl, and of course Carl 692 00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:27.519 Sagan Carl. So my dad went to school when I actually went to high 693 00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:31.679 school with Carl Sagan. And the tale of two Carls is that my dad 694 00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:36.840 had a you know, experience with the Savior, with the Creator, and 695 00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:39.920 I feel like Carl Sagan without trying to judge it never did. My parents 696 00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:44.960 would go to reunions over the years, and my mom one time went up 697 00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:47.800 to Carl Sagan and you know, she was chatting with him and talking to 698 00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:52.400 him about religious things, spiritual things, you know, that sort of thing. 699 00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:58.000 Well, I shouldn't say religious spiritual things, and Carl Sagan said, 700 00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:04.039 surely, I almost believe. So that sums up his life. Man. 701 00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:08.239 Yeah, my brother got a bunch of letters he was used to write Carl 702 00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:12.599 Sagan back in the day. My brother was thinking of being wanted to be 703 00:57:12.639 --> 00:57:15.239 an astronaut, you know, and ended up majoring in physics that sort of 704 00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:20.760 thing, just like Carl Sagan. So he Yeah, anyway, that's a 705 00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:24.000 fun little part of our our background. Yeah, he died young. He 706 00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:27.920 was only like sixty two years old when he died. Yeah, he wasn't 707 00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:31.360 he wasn't that old, you know, but uh, you have it, 708 00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:37.760 and I don't know if you're good. Ask me silver bullets. I've got 709 00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:39.599 a unique set. Yeah, please, let's jump into them right now. 710 00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:45.639 And I say one, uh, one of my silver bullets is the fact 711 00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:50.159 that Carl Sagan was fond of saying, or at least said, in the 712 00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:54.119 opening to his Cosmo series. I think that's the one we did for public. 713 00:57:54.119 --> 00:57:59.559 Heelobed that the Earth is just this pale blue dot, meaning it's insignificant. 714 00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:02.800 It doesn't and and I know you and others because I'm mute to the 715 00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:10.480 flatter earth world, no pun intend. I think I think we do matter. 716 00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:15.000 I think we are important. And I think that when we get our 717 00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:21.320 theology right, when we get our flat Earth understanding correct, or realize that 718 00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:24.000 we are important to God. And Carl Sagan truck spent us whole like trying 719 00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:29.119 to talk about how insignificant were and where we came from, you know that 720 00:58:29.239 --> 00:58:32.239 sort of thing. So if I had to go back and say, what 721 00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:37.519 are one of my sober bullets, it would be the fact that there's so 722 00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:40.440 many people out there, like Carl Singting that are trying to make us insignificant 723 00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:45.199 enough so that you ought to you ought to raise your you ought to raise 724 00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:47.840 your awareness as to why they're doing it. Why do they not want us 725 00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:52.559 to drink raw milk? I heard you say the other day podcast. Well, 726 00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:54.559 George, you're gonna get you better cut that out of your podcast. 727 00:58:54.599 --> 00:58:58.480 You can get trouble because it's selling. The buying and selling raw milk is 728 00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:02.119 pretty much Landja in trouble. Yeah. But so I have Crohn's disease. 729 00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:07.400 I was diagnosed in nineteen ninety three. Uh. The doctor who diagnosed me 730 00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:13.760 was the same doctor who diagnosed the Legioneer's disease. Hmm. And uh, 731 00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:19.840 I'm in remission and I they've said to me, I'm in your remission. 732 00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:24.079 They've gone up in neuro checking. I had about seven surgeons fly My wife 733 00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:27.400 said that's enough. They took part of my intestines out, you know that 734 00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:30.960 sort of thing. And uh so we started, we started doing our own 735 00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:36.599 research and we got out to raw milk, and raw milk really really helped 736 00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:38.400 me. So why do they not want us to drink raw milk? For 737 00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:43.199 the same reason they don't the same reason they wanted us to be always sick. 738 00:59:43.360 --> 00:59:46.400 You know, take another COVID shot, right, you know that sort 739 00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:51.960 of thing, Take another flu shot right. Well, anyway, Uh, 740 00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:59.159 one of my silver bullets is the names of Satan. When I became a 741 00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:02.679 flat earther and I started thinking about the names of Satan, I said, 742 01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:08.000 Chris, it all makes sense. He's He's We're told in John three different 743 01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:12.880 times in the Gospel of John that Satan is the prince of this world. 744 01:00:14.719 --> 01:00:19.400 We're told in Ephesians he's the prince of the power of the air. We're 745 01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:23.559 told. Uh. Again in Ephesians says he's the ruler of the darkeness of 746 01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:30.559 this world. And second Corinthians four four says he's the god of this one. 747 01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:35.280 So for me, being a theologian, this was a siber bullet because 748 01:00:35.280 --> 01:00:37.760 I said, well, it makes sense because if you you know, we 749 01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:40.960 tend to we tend to run about and this is a really old analogy, 750 01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:45.079 but we tend to run around like Flip Wilson saying the devil made me do 751 01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:50.719 it. You know, I mean, what does the devil really care if 752 01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:53.199 we have a second piece of chalk? He doesn't. So we fooled ourselves 753 01:00:53.239 --> 01:00:58.760 as the Christians into believing that those little things are the things Satan is bottomed 754 01:00:58.760 --> 01:01:01.400 with, when when the whole real is it's the big things, like the 755 01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:05.880 globe EIRs, it's the big things. If you were the god of this 756 01:01:05.960 --> 01:01:09.320 world, then you had you had a limited amount of time. You're gonna 757 01:01:09.320 --> 01:01:14.039 go after the big things. Just not that, not that Satan doesn't. 758 01:01:14.199 --> 01:01:15.280 Yeah, I'll go after the little things. I'm not saying that, you 759 01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:20.320 know, not trying to create a theology Satan. But sure I think he's 760 01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:23.440 going after the big things, right, I agree? Of course, of 761 01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:28.719 course we all have silver bullets, like the vacuum space. I think what 762 01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:35.800 I finally thought about that, well, gosh, it makes perfect sense the 763 01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:40.840 vacuum space does it even exist? And then of course I started putting on 764 01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:45.719 my theological and saying, well, day two, what does he create? 765 01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:50.400 He creates that? From me? That right? To me? That was 766 01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:53.199 that was a silver bullet. That was a noe brighter. You know, 767 01:01:53.599 --> 01:02:00.519 by the way, I want to say something about verse two. Everybody talks 768 01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:06.480 about this to Huabbo. You know you've heard it a million times. I'm 769 01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:12.239 sure you know. I want to say something about that. I think without 770 01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:20.400 form and void is possibly the worst transulation of the Hebrew ever to be forced 771 01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:23.280 to pamps I'm serious about. You know, they always say, well, 772 01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:28.320 in Jeremiah and Isaiah, you know, the context is judgment, etcetera, 773 01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:30.960 etcetera. Hey, Hey, here's here's the truth. The word toe. 774 01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:37.679 If you look up the group word in Hebrew, the first definition usually given 775 01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:43.679 is empty empty. But we kind of skip over that. We say, 776 01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:45.960 oh, it was it was, it was chaos. And this goes back 777 01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:51.440 to that gaffs the angels had a war with and God. Now I'm not 778 01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:55.039 saying God didn't throw Satan out of you know, Isaiah and Ezekiel will talk 779 01:02:55.119 --> 01:03:00.239 about Satan in the position he had, and then now he's the god of 780 01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:06.840 this world. So I'm not trying to fight against what happened there. What 781 01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:14.039 I'm trying to do is describe the creation as everybody thinks verse two. The 782 01:03:14.119 --> 01:03:19.480 earth is negative, it's bad. It's here's what to whu wabo who means? 783 01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:22.280 And by the way, a lot of people think that wabo who just 784 01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:28.280 rhyme was a word that was developed to rhyme with toe who kind of sing 785 01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:34.599 songy right, sings strongy. I think the best translation is empty and unproductive. 786 01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:40.880 So in verse two it says, now the earth was empty and unproduct 787 01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:45.519 and guess what. That's not suggesting any kind of judgment. It's just sitting 788 01:03:45.519 --> 01:03:50.000 there. It's empty, it's unproductive. Here comes God and what's he going 789 01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:54.239 to do. He's going to form the bios So what do we see during 790 01:03:54.320 --> 01:04:01.679 those six years six days? We see him taking the earth and he's creating. 791 01:04:02.360 --> 01:04:05.239 Ah, I used to work myself. I shouldn't do that. Sorry, 792 01:04:05.440 --> 01:04:15.880 He's forming. He's preparing the biosphere for life without the biosphere. So 793 01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:18.800 so people say, well, the geneology say that the uh, you know, 794 01:04:18.800 --> 01:04:21.639 if we add up all the genealogies, we only go back six thousand, 795 01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:25.519 save you sixty five hundred years, right, No, you know what 796 01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:30.840 the genealogies tell us. They tell us that Adam was created sixty five hundred 797 01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:34.559 years ago. They don't tell us the Earth was created sixty You see that. 798 01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:41.360 You see the distinction there, That's that's the big difference. So anyway, 799 01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:44.159 I burst you. I just wanted to touch on that, because empty 800 01:04:44.199 --> 01:04:49.960 and unproductive, I fit uh describe the earth. Here's a here's the oldest 801 01:04:50.039 --> 01:04:53.599 you know what, the oldest book in the Old Testament is or I said, 802 01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:58.920 don't even have a run to mean the old book in the Old Testament 803 01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:04.920 is not genousis Let's see, you got Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, numbers 804 01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:11.840 Deuteronomy. I'm gonna go with I believe it's uh Leviticus, Isn't it is? 805 01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:15.199 Joe? Oh oh, you said the Old Testament, didn't you. 806 01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:17.320 I was thinking of the tour, and I was thinking of the tour, 807 01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:20.199 and I'm sorry, yeah, no, no, that's Joe. So when 808 01:05:20.239 --> 01:05:26.320 you when you turn to Joe, chapter thirty eight, listen to this. 809 01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:35.039 Now, after everything we've said about verse too, this is this is God 810 01:05:35.400 --> 01:05:42.400 talking to Joe. Sa phone is ringing in the background. Oh yeah, 811 01:05:42.440 --> 01:05:45.400 this is what past Urtle talks about. The clay and the seal. Yeah. 812 01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:49.320 The play to one should say, I want to read, okay, 813 01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:54.400 so look at look at verse eight. I'm gonna shut up the sea behind 814 01:05:54.440 --> 01:06:00.480 the doors when it bursts forth from the womb. I made the fl clouds 815 01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:06.360 its garment and wrapped it in thick darkness. That's that's Genesis one too. 816 01:06:09.039 --> 01:06:14.639 Genesis one too. I made the clouds its garment and wrapped it in thick 817 01:06:14.719 --> 01:06:19.280 darkness. So in verse two, Verse two is actually taught well. Job 818 01:06:19.400 --> 01:06:24.519 here is older of course than Genesis. Doesn't mean the story's old, right 819 01:06:24.559 --> 01:06:26.480 right, right, The book is old, The book is older. The 820 01:06:26.639 --> 01:06:30.960 point is that the earth is described as being wrapped in thick darkness, which 821 01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:33.280 is exactly what verse two is saying in Genesis. And what does God say 822 01:06:33.280 --> 01:06:36.559 in verse three, let there be late? So what he does is the 823 01:06:36.679 --> 01:06:43.719 light that already exists from the sun hen't pierce through that thick darkness until he 824 01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:48.719 says, let there be light. So the light then pierces that thick darkness, 825 01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:56.400 and from there on God is preparing the earth at that point in six 826 01:06:56.480 --> 01:07:00.119 days for life, and then at the end of the days, he creates 827 01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:08.119 life on the earth. So to get back to what we said here, 828 01:07:08.159 --> 01:07:14.639 I think sometimes we make we make the Bible try to say things it's not 829 01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:20.519 saying. The Bible is not saying that God created the universe in six days. 830 01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:26.519 It's saying he created the universe, and then it's saying he prepared it 831 01:07:26.599 --> 01:07:30.440 in six days. How much time is between verse Joe verse three, We 832 01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:33.280 don't know. We have no idea. But getting back to you mentioned the 833 01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:38.800 Genesis six book and all that kind of stuff. But the Could the Angelic 834 01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:42.039 war taken place in my opinion between verses two and verse three, of course, 835 01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:45.400 yeah, certainly fit a bit. Did the did the did the did 836 01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:50.800 the angels of God? The demons? Did any of them need a place 837 01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:55.800 to dwell? No? Their spirits? So why do they meet an earth 838 01:07:55.800 --> 01:07:58.760 to dwell on? Why did they have to Why do they have to have 839 01:07:58.840 --> 01:08:00.239 a big war? Reck the your They didn't need the break of earth? 840 01:08:02.679 --> 01:08:10.000 They they just what's the verse in the versus Lay that talks about he prepared 841 01:08:10.039 --> 01:08:16.760 it to be inhabited? Right? Isaya forty five? Verse eighteen? For 842 01:08:16.760 --> 01:08:21.199 for this as the Lord that created the heavens, got himself, that formed 843 01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:27.079 the earth, had made it, that made love that, and he has 844 01:08:27.199 --> 01:08:30.960 established it. He created it, not in vain, he formed it. 845 01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:33.600 He formed it to be inhabited. I am the Lord, and there is 846 01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:43.840 none else. So to bring things full circle, that is kind of where 847 01:08:43.880 --> 01:08:54.079 I'm at my theology of putting together a flat earth, a flat earth theology 848 01:08:55.359 --> 01:09:00.640 that I think aligns with with scripture. You know that's interesting because you know, 849 01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:04.159 I look, I always keep Gary Wayne's book next to me. Here. 850 01:09:04.159 --> 01:09:08.159 It's eight hundred pages on based on one chapter of the Bible, and 851 01:09:08.199 --> 01:09:10.720 to be fair, some of Enoch obviously, But I mean we just had 852 01:09:10.760 --> 01:09:14.279 an hour conversation on a couple of Bible verses, like literally the first Game 853 01:09:14.359 --> 01:09:19.239 Well versus of the Bible, and it's it's it's so interesting how you can 854 01:09:19.920 --> 01:09:27.279 between research and against Strong's concordance and and Hebrew to actually find the true meaning 855 01:09:28.279 --> 01:09:30.840 of the words. And again, when you're in Sunday School or in church, 856 01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:36.079 you kind of just read the verses and you don't really deep dive into 857 01:09:36.119 --> 01:09:42.119 them like we really should. You. You tend to use these syminards and 858 01:09:42.159 --> 01:09:45.039 you're fine, yep, yeah, I want to give you I would give 859 01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:47.840 you another analogy when when I was kids, I'm I don't know about this 860 01:09:47.960 --> 01:09:54.359 was true. Back in Jersey, we used to get milk on the porch, 861 01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:59.199 you know, the milk man, and the milk milk was fresh. 862 01:09:59.600 --> 01:10:03.680 But the bottel might have been made a year ago. So so here's the 863 01:10:03.800 --> 01:10:08.159 universe could have been made. It could have been made a billion years ago. 864 01:10:08.439 --> 01:10:13.399 And to me, it doesn't that I'm not suggesting that anything other than 865 01:10:13.439 --> 01:10:17.159 the six Days goes back past say say ten thousand, eighty five hundred something 866 01:10:17.199 --> 01:10:20.960 like that, but we tend to die on these hills. That. Oh, 867 01:10:21.039 --> 01:10:26.359 the Bible says that the art's only sixty five hundred years old. Well 868 01:10:26.399 --> 01:10:29.920 it doesn't say that, you see, And you need to let you need 869 01:10:29.960 --> 01:10:31.960 to stop twisting the Bible to make it say what you wanted to say. 870 01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:35.800 Do I have a probably billions of years. No, because my God's eternal. 871 01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:41.640 My God's eternal. He could have made Verse one and verse two could 872 01:10:41.640 --> 01:10:45.800 have taken place four billion years ago, for all I know, ten billions 873 01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:51.159 trophans. It doesn't matter when did when did the six days of preparation of 874 01:10:51.159 --> 01:10:56.720 the Earth take place? Let's trust the genealogies. Maybe maybe less than you 875 01:10:56.760 --> 01:11:00.560 know sixty five hundred years ago, you see. So what I'm trying to 876 01:11:00.600 --> 01:11:03.600 build here is I believe. I believe the fossils are part of Noah's flood. 877 01:11:04.760 --> 01:11:09.520 I believe in all the things that the good parts of you know that 878 01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:15.239 most of believers on your show have talked about. You know, So this 879 01:11:15.439 --> 01:11:17.760 is nothing out of the ordinary. It's just taking scripture. And here's the 880 01:11:17.800 --> 01:11:21.399 other thing. Like I said, I don't know if I'm repeating myself here, 881 01:11:21.439 --> 01:11:25.359 stop me if I am, but a lot of times. Well I 882 01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:28.039 get all done, and people will say, okay, Chris, so who 883 01:11:28.039 --> 01:11:31.800 else leaves this? Well, well, wait a minute, you're asking the 884 01:11:31.840 --> 01:11:36.439 wrong question. If I just taught you from the Bible something, you go 885 01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:40.560 back now and you look at the Bible and you see if that holds up? 886 01:11:42.520 --> 01:11:46.079 Do I want to trust that? I'm not picking on anybody here, 887 01:11:46.119 --> 01:11:51.720 but do I want to trust say a Jewish expositor? Maybe? Maybe not, 888 01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:56.439 because here's the problem I had with some Jewish expositors, and going back 889 01:11:56.600 --> 01:12:00.319 years and years and years, they missed the Christ. Yep, so they 890 01:12:00.359 --> 01:12:04.279 search scriptures and still miss the Christ. Uh. Do I want to trust 891 01:12:04.319 --> 01:12:11.119 the Catholic Church? Expose the Catholic expositors? I mean, they believe Mary's 892 01:12:11.159 --> 01:12:15.640 a codeemer with Christ. So if they believe that, am I going to 893 01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:20.880 trust their other theology? Do I want to trust? You know? You 894 01:12:20.920 --> 01:12:24.239 put the hecks and put the wy in there. You see my point? 895 01:12:24.520 --> 01:12:27.600 So here, So, so if anybody needs to say, okay, Chris, 896 01:12:27.600 --> 01:12:30.600 where do some of this stuff come from? There's a quote from Thomas 897 01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:39.079 Aquinas. He says, but the heaven existed before the days it as is 898 01:12:39.239 --> 01:12:45.680 clear from the words in the beginning God created heaven and earth. It seems 899 01:12:45.720 --> 01:12:49.680 better to maintain that the creation of the heavens and earth was prior to any 900 01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:56.840 of the days. So when we when we properly start day one with verse 901 01:12:56.920 --> 01:13:01.199 three, we get a proper theology what God was doing. We make the 902 01:13:01.239 --> 01:13:03.640 mistake of putting verse one in verse two. And we've read it all, 903 01:13:03.720 --> 01:13:06.600 and I've heard people on the program. I've heard other people. They start 904 01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:10.920 in verse one and they write the verse five, and the verse five is 905 01:13:10.960 --> 01:13:12.920 the end of day one, and they say, well, see there's day 906 01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:19.439 one, but they're starting at verse one instead of verse verse three. So 907 01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:23.880 again the young Earth. You say, you're not a young Earth creationist, 908 01:13:23.960 --> 01:13:30.039 not an older creationist, but what you call a young biosphere creationism. Well, 909 01:13:30.159 --> 01:13:33.800 actually I used to be a young bias for creations I had. I 910 01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:41.079 had, I had one of the biggest Facebook pages on young bias for creationism. 911 01:13:41.800 --> 01:13:45.279 When I became a flat Earth through I actually got I actually pretty much 912 01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:50.600 stripped that group of all my posts. The people in the group thought I 913 01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:56.520 was a hericice of course, of course. Yeah. But here's the problem 914 01:13:56.720 --> 01:14:00.920 that I had was with young biosphere creationism. Although I do believe the biosphere 915 01:14:01.000 --> 01:14:08.720 is recent. Young biosphere creationists also believe that there's planets and galaxies, so 916 01:14:08.760 --> 01:14:12.720 they don't make that differentiation the same thing that Young Earth's creationists would leave and 917 01:14:12.800 --> 01:14:17.760 Old Earth's creations. So I'm trying to develop a biblical theology in my mind 918 01:14:17.880 --> 01:14:23.479 that doesn't include billions of galaxies and that sort of thing. So I'm not 919 01:14:23.640 --> 01:14:29.199 I'm not worried about time because because Verse one could have happened to trillion years 920 01:14:29.159 --> 01:14:34.880 ago. I've I've shread myself of the planets and stars and galaxies, and 921 01:14:34.920 --> 01:14:41.000 that's one thing that Young biosphere creations still believe, right, they believe they 922 01:14:41.039 --> 01:14:45.159 actually leave, you know, in multiple you know, multiple galaxies, that 923 01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:49.840 sort of thing. So, and we still have a ton to cover, 924 01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:54.479 which we will do in our part too. But something I wanted to run 925 01:14:54.520 --> 01:14:59.000 by you before I forget two things. Number one, Carl Sagan, and 926 01:14:59.039 --> 01:15:03.279 it just so happens, I've been doing this research on racing Racine, Wisconsin 927 01:15:03.319 --> 01:15:06.800 for a year and a half and we're debut on that podcast Tuesday, on 928 01:15:06.880 --> 01:15:10.880 my other podcast, and you know, as you were talking, I was 929 01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:15.880 kind of going back through Carl Sagan's recording. Yeah, and he ended up. 930 01:15:17.039 --> 01:15:20.640 He started at Harvard, but he went to Cornell, which has a 931 01:15:20.680 --> 01:15:27.600 direct connections to everything I've been researching over the last year and a half. 932 01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:30.119 Cornell has a lot of of course it's in Ithaca by the Finger Lakes, 933 01:15:30.119 --> 01:15:34.199 and of course Hunter Biden has had two on his back and it's such a 934 01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:36.800 deep dive. But I found that interesting, and I wonder if that's really 935 01:15:36.840 --> 01:15:43.399 when, because that is a hub of the things that get put out into 936 01:15:43.439 --> 01:15:45.640 the world as far as indoctrination goes, And I wonder if that's really where 937 01:15:46.359 --> 01:15:49.600 his mentality changed. Did your father say he was kind of the same guy 938 01:15:49.720 --> 01:15:56.239 back then as he was when he got famous. Yeah, I would say 939 01:15:56.279 --> 01:16:02.079 that My dad would probably say that that Carl Sagan didn't change. He sat 940 01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:06.600 next to him in chemistry and you know, physics and all the other classes 941 01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:12.159 and that sort of thing. He was kind of destined, I think, 942 01:16:12.239 --> 01:16:15.119 to be to be what he was. But but but again, at that 943 01:16:15.159 --> 01:16:18.640 time, my dad didn't know christ either. Was there was wasn't it born 944 01:16:18.680 --> 01:16:24.399 again Christian? So I'm not sure my dad had that discerningness to to really 945 01:16:24.520 --> 01:16:29.000 And it's been so long my dad's ninety I was live while and kicking for 946 01:16:29.119 --> 01:16:33.560 him to kind of go back there and uh put his self into the frame 947 01:16:33.600 --> 01:16:35.880 of mind he had one sitting in high school. I think it would be 948 01:16:35.920 --> 01:16:39.800 hard for Yeah, for sure, that's you know, that sort of thing. 949 01:16:39.840 --> 01:16:41.840 So something, you know, if we do a part two, I 950 01:16:41.840 --> 01:16:45.920 can bring out the yearbook. I got the yearbook of Carl Sagan, his 951 01:16:45.960 --> 01:16:48.920 picture and he signed my dad's name. I said to Bow's I think he 952 01:16:48.960 --> 01:16:53.319 called them bows, you know, which is kind of why I I, 953 01:16:53.399 --> 01:16:56.600 uh with my business name. I say, doctor Bowse, you know, 954 01:16:57.920 --> 01:17:01.720 out of a playoff of and then you'd mentioned Rebecca Roth. They see the 955 01:17:01.720 --> 01:17:08.319 one that has all the deception books like Methodical Inception, Methodical Illusion. Yes, 956 01:17:08.439 --> 01:17:13.279 okay, yeah, so in a nutshell Rebecca Raw. I'll leave this 957 01:17:13.319 --> 01:17:17.239 to less than sixty seconds here. Rebecca Roth was an airline stewardess for about 958 01:17:17.239 --> 01:17:23.399 thirty years when she retired around two thousand and five two thousand and six. 959 01:17:23.520 --> 01:17:28.279 After nine to eleven, she started to write a romance novel and she began 960 01:17:28.359 --> 01:17:31.079 searching the internet. Once she searched the Internet, she happened to come across 961 01:17:31.079 --> 01:17:34.880 the fact that that at least six of the nineteen hijackers were live well in 962 01:17:34.920 --> 01:17:40.279 Saudi Arabia, and Saudi Arabia was privately suing America to shut their mouth at 963 01:17:40.319 --> 01:17:45.159 those six hydras. So if the hijackers are still alive, then they didn't 964 01:17:45.159 --> 01:17:48.079 die in any of the crashes. And that led her down the pathway to 965 01:17:49.800 --> 01:17:54.960 writing these novels, as she calls them. But you can google her YouTube 966 01:17:55.039 --> 01:17:59.319 videos and she has podcasts. Kind of a YouTube podcast, I think, 967 01:17:59.399 --> 01:18:01.880 is what I because I don't think you see her face or anything. You 968 01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:06.880 just hear people interviewing her and she talks about all these but I yeah, 969 01:18:06.920 --> 01:18:12.279 I was a part of the beginning of my journey well before flatter Well. 970 01:18:13.079 --> 01:18:15.399 So yeah, we're we're definitely going to have a part two to follow up 971 01:18:15.399 --> 01:18:18.720 on this. I'll talk hey as soon as we're done recording, because I 972 01:18:18.760 --> 01:18:21.800 still have so much to talk to you in your notes. I think only 973 01:18:21.800 --> 01:18:25.600 got through about a third of it, but I'm on a time crunch. 974 01:18:26.279 --> 01:18:30.960 Yeah, But and we've I think this is good because that hour and twenty 975 01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:33.239 minutes was a lot to digest and some people probably going to go back and 976 01:18:33.239 --> 01:18:36.439 listen to it two or three times to see how it resonates with them, 977 01:18:36.439 --> 01:18:40.840 and they're going to do some research on some of the words, and that'll 978 01:18:40.840 --> 01:18:45.319 give them time to ponder. So I go ahead. I think that would 979 01:18:45.359 --> 01:18:48.000 be good because we're gon we're going to actually know, I'm sure we're going 980 01:18:48.039 --> 01:18:50.439 to get questions or you're going to get emails or I'm going to get emails, 981 01:18:50.479 --> 01:18:54.319 and then say, well, well didn't Jesus talk about a sixth day 982 01:18:54.319 --> 01:18:57.079 creation? And you know he talks about in the beginning, you know, 983 01:18:57.159 --> 01:19:00.399 God made that mail, And so we can go down those we can go 984 01:19:00.479 --> 01:19:06.520 down those supposed objections and and I'll just tick them off one by one, 985 01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:14.600 because I don't think that was Jesus was saying at all. Sure, well 986 01:19:14.640 --> 01:19:18.199 it's it's been a fascinating eighty minutes. And again, there's so much more 987 01:19:18.279 --> 01:19:20.760 I want to talk to you about, not just as far as that, 988 01:19:20.840 --> 01:19:25.079 but you had mentioned a lot of things that resonate with me that we'll get 989 01:19:25.119 --> 01:19:28.359 to on the next one. But I do. By the way, my 990 01:19:28.439 --> 01:19:31.000 dad went to the Philadelphia Bible College, which I think it's now it's called 991 01:19:31.079 --> 01:19:34.600 like the Cairn c A I r Nron. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 992 01:19:34.680 --> 01:19:40.199 he went back. He went there in the eighties. What year I'd have 993 01:19:40.239 --> 01:19:43.079 to ask my mom because I just remember I was still in high school. 994 01:19:43.159 --> 01:19:45.720 I want to say eighty five. I think he only went for a year. 995 01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:49.359 He didn't do a okay, but I graduated here eighty four. Oh 996 01:19:49.479 --> 01:19:54.479 okay, when it was in Langmore. I'll have to ask the same name 997 01:19:54.520 --> 01:19:57.600 as me, George Jobs. I'll ask her. She comes back from Florida, 998 01:19:57.960 --> 01:20:00.960 she's I can even look it up yearbooks too, you know. Interesting. 999 01:20:01.039 --> 01:20:04.079 Yeah, yeah, he traveled up there, did it in person? 1000 01:20:04.199 --> 01:20:09.359 That you know? Now everybody takes college online. I know, I know 1001 01:20:09.600 --> 01:20:12.840 drive up to Philly twice a week. I want to give you the final 1002 01:20:12.840 --> 01:20:15.640 word, to address the listeners, and then we'll wrap it up. Yeah, 1003 01:20:15.680 --> 01:20:20.319 here's the here's the final word. And this is this is a little 1004 01:20:20.319 --> 01:20:24.399 bit of an exaggeration. But so I don't want people are writing emails and 1005 01:20:24.479 --> 01:20:26.720 say, well, he can do this, he can do that, he 1006 01:20:26.720 --> 01:20:31.479 can do this. The only thing that God can't do is worshiped himself. 1007 01:20:33.880 --> 01:20:40.520 That's our job. So flat Earth or not, Christmas has gotten it's our 1008 01:20:40.600 --> 01:20:43.840 job to worship. Like I said, people will write and say, well, 1009 01:20:43.960 --> 01:20:45.000 you know, he can't lift the rock. It's too big, you 1010 01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:48.119 know, you know, yea the holstic. That's not what I'm trying to 1011 01:20:48.119 --> 01:20:51.159 say. That's not what I'm trying to say. The only thing that God 1012 01:20:51.199 --> 01:20:55.880 can't do is worship himself. That's our job, right then in your body 1013 01:20:55.960 --> 01:20:59.680 that that's our job. Quotes, that's that's the bottom. When it's all 1014 01:20:59.680 --> 01:21:04.000 said, done a proportion Hebrew or not our jobs of worship. Amen, 1015 01:21:04.159 --> 01:21:08.680 well said, Well said, and thank you for your time, and we'll 1016 01:21:08.680 --> 01:21:12.760 talk off line here to get Part two scheduled. It's a lot again, 1017 01:21:12.800 --> 01:21:16.560 You've come from a very interesting direction that I haven't really heard said before. 1018 01:21:16.640 --> 01:21:20.680 So everybody will take it in and I'm sure you'll get lots of emails as 1019 01:21:20.720 --> 01:21:24.840 well as I will, and we'll address them in part two. So again, 1020 01:21:24.880 --> 01:21:28.159 thank you very much from your time, and enjoy the nice warm winter 1021 01:21:28.359 --> 01:21:32.119 in Colorado Springs. And God bless your brother for all your work. And 1022 01:21:32.520 --> 01:21:36.439 thank you to our listeners for your continued support. And everybody, keep your 1023 01:21:36.439 --> 01:21:40.760 head on a swivel, your eyes open, and your hands together, and 1024 01:21:40.800 --> 01:21:45.159 say your prayers and help your fellow brothers. And until the next time we 1025 01:21:45.199 --> 01:21:53.560 meet, we will see. I know it's been a struggle. I don't 1026 01:21:53.600 --> 01:22:02.359 know you've had Spain Fee the time. Tell don't bout all the way? 1027 01:22:03.880 --> 01:22:13.399 Yeah, I don't you feeling more? Your smile ain't the same. I 1028 01:22:13.520 --> 01:22:23.800 saw way go from you feel like you've lost your way. Don't give up. 1029 01:22:24.079 --> 01:22:30.199 No, don't give it and never home. Don't let call the primise. 1030 01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:34.239 It ain't done yet. He's gone up ladder, Why ups away? 1031 01:22:34.479 --> 01:22:45.800 Time got up? Let me come? Why away got up? And it 1032 01:22:45.960 --> 01:22:58.920 came. I can see the straight beside you. Child's are putting up five. 1033 01:23:00.840 --> 01:23:05.000 Oh, you're stronger than a thing. C Yeah, you're gone. 1034 01:23:05.199 --> 01:23:15.199 Be all right. You're accepting a dead folio. Beautiful, you're shoving ride 1035 01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:25.119 Yeah, you're live and breathing. Move you can hold your head a pie. 1036 01:23:26.800 --> 01:23:30.920 Don't give up. No, don't give in, never lose home. 1037 01:23:31.039 --> 01:23:35.920 Don't let gone on the primies. It ain't done, and it's God, 1038 01:23:36.079 --> 01:23:42.560 I plant. Wat's a way town? The god of me became me. 1039 01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:46.880 Don't give up, No, don't give in. You never lose home, 1040 01:23:47.039 --> 01:23:51.920 don't let go on the primis. It ain't God of life. It's worth 1041 01:23:53.079 --> 01:24:02.800 living in. What's a way town? The god of mal Why theray down? 1042 01:24:03.039 --> 01:24:12.600 The god? Oh yeah, what's the bray down? The god? 1043 01:24:13.479 --> 01:24:31.159 Baby? Call? Oh yeah, got TV call don't give up, No, 1044 01:24:31.560 --> 01:24:38.560 don't give in never, So don't they go off? The prim sn 1045 01:24:38.800 --> 01:24:46.479 Me and dune Yas got up playing what kind of ivy colts? Don't give 1046 01:24:47.279 --> 01:24:54.520 no dog giving never it's home? Don't they go out? The crimes we 1047 01:24:54.760 --> 01:25:00.000 get ain't done others worth living in? What's and die? The God of 1048 01:25:00.600 --> 01:25:26.520 any comes, Oh, the God of needs? Why God of you're listening 1049 01:25:26.600 --> 01:25:33.479 to the Fact Hunter Radio Network. Just the facts, ma'am.