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dot com. Joining me today is from the great state of Colorado, where
I'm sure it's probably eighty degrees in Sunday today. It's Chris and he's written
a great book and he sent it to me and we have a lot to
talk about today, ladies and gentlemen, our friend Chris, Chris, how
are you doing today, sir? Very good? So we let's see.
I think Thursday or Friday, Thursday was it's almost seven But last night we
got six inches of snow. So that's always the way it is, isn't
it. Yeah, you know what I missed about Colorado is you could literally
see the storm coming over top of the mountains. You can watch it coming
in the first time, first time. You know. We moved here about
seven years ago, and I snowed, and I ran outside and I shoveled,
and nobody else shoveled. You know, I'm like, what the heck?
Why is nobody shoveled? About one o'clock in the afternoon, I realized,
Well, that's why, because it was warm and beautiful and the snow
melted. You know, if you go to the mountains, you're gonna go
skiing. The snow will state. It doesn't seem to stay too much around
here. So yep, for sure, I really enjoyed it. So please
introduce yourself to the audience. Yeah, so my name is Chris and gosh
been married now. I think it's thirty. Well today's let's put it this
way. Today's the fortieth anniversary of my the first day with my wife.
Wow, congratulations. We had our first date on the ninth of December,
and back in the day you called it going steady. So by December sixteenth
we were going steady and she went home from college. I went home from
college, and over the Christmas vacation we got back together with each other and
met each other's families and went back to school in January. And January sixteenth,
I asked, you married me. Wow, that's incredible. I make
decisions pretty quick. I mean, I'm good at that. So you trust
your gut feelings, right, yeah, yeah, you know, sometimes you
have to, you have to walk things back. But but I tend to.
I tend to make decisions really really quickly and make good So I remember
talking to some friends from Bible College and they were going to go to Israel.
I think I was talking to them on a Thursday, and by Monday
morning I had tickets. So a wow. And spent a year there studying
in it in Jerusalem and Israel. So wow. Yeah. So I don't
have a problem making decisions. So you've seen a lot of historical stuff there
as well. Now you're saving me, and again people are listening to this
podcast. But as I look behind you, you've got several degrees on your
wall. There your PhD. And you know, and I'm sure that's one
of the things you're going to talk about, is your journey through higher education.
And then you know, one day you find out or you come to
the realization that maybe something that we're taught since where a child maybe isn't true
and kind of how that affected your outlook on life. Yeah, there have
been hints of it. I remember back, oh gosh, fifteen twenty years
one of the guys in our church was air traffic controller. I started talking
about the difference between chem trails and contrails, and honestly, I had no
idea what I was talking about. It heat poof fooded and you know,
I forgot about it. That was it, so you know, but it
was one of those things I was hearing and that sort of thing. But
my journey of the flat Earth basically started at the beginning of COVID. I
had I had torn retin in my eye, so I had to take time.
Now, I did not miss any any work during the entire you know,
plandemic, but but I happen to have a few days off and I
think the surgery was on like a Thursday or Friday, and I asked to
do that so that way I could have a long weekend and recover from my
eyes. And I remember watching a YouTube video by narrated by Ed Asner called
Solving the Mystery of Building seven and it's a nine to eleven, you know,
architects and engineer's video. And when I saw the I went down the
rabbit hole, and over those few days as much as I could, I
was holding the uh, you know, my phone real close to my eyes,
and and you know, I had to be careful how much I watched.
But that's I just went down the rabbit hole with that. From there,
I went to American Moon. Have you heard of that? The English
version is called American Moon. It's about Apollo eleven in the moonland. Oh
yeah, yeah, kind of a long video. And then I did that
uh JFK to nine to eleven. Every Man's Everything's a rich man's trick.
Yeah, that was I guess. And it's very interesting because now I go
back, and you know, at first I was trying to have practical reasons
why we didn't go to the moon from some of those things, you know,
but now having gone down the red hole or taken the red pill,
you know, some of those things are are ridiculous too. Even those reasons
why we don't leave those things happened are ridiculous. So it's like so,
and then I, you know, I went down more talking about the Titanic,
how it really didn't sink, and they sank the sister Ship, and
you know, all the those kinds of things. So one of other things
I don't think I've ever heard you talk about was is Rebecca Roth. So
I was. I really got into Rebecca Roth. And she's a flight attendant
and she's done a bunch of historical fiction books. And the reason she said
she's done that is because she likes to live. So and but her theory
for nine to eleven is basically that they flew something into the towers, but
they literally killed all the passengers in a hangar. So yeah, I believe
it was in the decommissioned military air base in Ohio, which is again if
you look back in nineteen sixty one, in the Operation Northwoods documents, one
of the scenarios that they were going to do was kind of have these two
planes come together next and then switch them out, So the actual plane that
was going to get hit was different than the actual one that had taken off.
I think that's what happened to the plane that had the passengers. They
kind of I think it was a grown type of plane, remote control drone
that hit the buildings and the plane landed. And I even think that it's
not beyond the realms of possibility that they released something in the cabin and knocked
everybody out and they landed it remote control, and I wouldn't be surprised again.
So anyway, that's staff kind of where I went, you know.
And there's other videos and stuff, and you talked about some of the One
of the ones I thought was an excellent video was a guy named Galen Windsor,
and he talks about his employment worked with Plutoni. And I don't know
if he's ever Yeah, he drank it right, Well, he's swamming it,
swamming it, that's right. Yeah. I think, well, why
did you drank it too? I don't remember that. But I got to
tell you some of those videos, I really need to go back and rewatch
some of those things because it was like a fire hose fires, you know.
Yeah. But so anyway, that's kind of my journey, and you
know, I've got quite an extensive background with education. My wife and I
have been in ministry pretty much from the moment we got saved, both of
us individually. You know, we didn't know each other at the time,
but when we got saved, we jumped into ministry. And I remember thinking,
my gosh, if people just share the truth, they'll want to know
work the truth. And I think that's been one of the biggest disappointments.
I don't think people really want to know the truth. I think they just
want validation of what they already believed. And we found out when we were
in the church. We've been in literally you know, I'm sixty actually my
birthday is New Year's Day, I'll be sixty sixty three. Yeah, and
you know, our whole life, we've been in ministry at doing things,
and you know, it's almost like they you're okay in the pulpit, we're
okay in the church. If tell them what they want to hear, you
know, they don't want to be challenged, kind of like Jesus's ministry.
You know, he doesn't want to be people didn't want to be challenged by
Jesus. Yeah, well, anyway, we go ahead. I was just
gonna say, that's a really great point, you know, walking up to
you know you're out there fishing, and then your challenge, I'm just a
fisherman, right and here you're I think it's a great point people with validation
of what they already believe. And I think that is something not just as
Christians, but as human beings that we fall prey to is not being open
minded. And the older we get, the more stubborn we become in our
ways, because not only you know, if we change our mind, well
that that means that our beliefs, our belief system that has been in place
for so long has been wrong. And I think people are more concerned with
putting on the blinders and going about their day. And because I think even
with COVID, which really opened more people's eyes, then I mean everybody I
bring on COVID had a large part of their awakening. There's still some people
that I think they get it, but they're afraid to, as they say,
take that pill because how much it would change their life, and they're
afraid of it. But I try to tell people it while it you look
at everything differently. I wouldn't change it for the world. There's the truth
and there's everything else, Jesus said, I am the Way, the Truth
and the life. My father always said, there's three sides there, your
side, my son, and the truth and the truth. You know,
yep, you know it's interesting. I'll want to talk a little bit,
just for a second about my education. Then I want to talk about the
questions of Jesus for a second before we launch into stuff. Sure. So
I basically I went down to Lo Charle College in Long Texas, Christian Christian
engineering school after I graduate from high school and up. I was kind of
blown away by the I took some New Testament Old Testament classes test you know,
Bible survey class. I was blown away because I had never had anybody
teach me anything about the Bible. I didn't get saved till I was about
fifteen, So I was kind of blown away by that. And after the
first semester that I said to my dad, I want to go to the
Bible College, He's like, well, WHOA, we'll hold up, let's
finish out the first year. And I'm like, okay, fine whatever.
Ended up going to Philadelphia College at Bible in Pennsylvania. That's where I met
my wife. When we got married, we went down to Dallas Seminary.
So I ended up getting so so I ended up well. Actually before after
Latournal, I went to Bible College. And during Bible College, I went
over to Israel for a year and we lived in this school right there in
Jerusalem, up not too far from the upper room I did, and and
and the kids that were so I hadn't met my wife. So when I
came back to school, I finished up Bible College, met my wife,
went down to Dallas Seminary. I did a four year master's there, you
know, the whole nine yard Greek Key group, you know, all that
kind of stuff. And then from there we went down to Virginia Beach and
uh worked on my doctor there and finished my doctor. But you know,
and all through that there's tons of ministry and all that kind of stuff.
And I don't say that to, you know, in any kind of bragging
way. I think sometimes people are like, well, you know, uh,
he went to seminary, so he's got a certain frame of mind.
Well, of course you do, because you know, you're they're just teaching
the things they've been taught. And then you end up stating that you're teaching
things you've been taught. You know, but my wife and I have always
been people that are outside the box. I mean, we challenge authority.
We challenge like, for example, on my on the honeymoon, our honeymoon,
I get pulled over in Washington, d C. For you know how
they have some of the streets you can only ride on there certain times and
the bus can music at the other time. Yeah, and I challenged.
I challenged the cop, you know. And uh So I've always been one
of those people challenge something, you know, sure, And so anyway,
I'm not quite sure where I was going with that, except to say that
I'm not in full time insurance. We were at the moment. We have
been. We have been on and off throughout the years. But uh,
I think sometimes people don't want to be challenged from the pulpit. Is kind
of where and go with that, you know? So well, anyway,
one of the things I did, I think it's been about ten years now,
is I when I when my when my son, our youngest and we
have four kids and we have five grandchildren. When our youngest son was born,
I wrote, uh a dissertation which I later turned into a book,
and the book's called Uncommon Question from an extraordinary savior. And I really felt
that, you know, there's books out there on the miracles of Jesus,
there's books out there on the parables of Jesus. I started reading one day,
and I saw these questions that Jesus asked in scripture. And I'll give
you just an example of one. So this is from John, the first
chapter of John. Jesus say is walking along and John is there, and
of course John has his own disciples, right, And I'm picking up at
about verse thirty five of John chapter one and says, next day, John
was there a get two of his disciples, and when he saw Jesus passing
by, he said, look the lamb of God. When the two disciples
heard him say this, they followed Jesus turning around. Jesus saw them following
and said, what do you want? Which is which blew me away the
first time I really saw them. I'm like, here's the very center of
God. And He's basically said, what do you want? I mean,
it's kind of you know, we do the same thing when our kids are
following us down the home, are getting annoyed, you know, returned around,
we go what do you want? You know, almost like he's bothered.
Right, So anyway, I kind of explored that idea, and when
I worked on a dissertation. My dissertation, by the way, took place,
my doctor took place during the time of nine to eleven, before,
during, and after. Okay, so that tells me how far back twenty
years or whatever. But I ended up I really felt the Lord gave me
this subtitle for my book. Jesus never asked a question because he needed to
know the answer. Meaning out of the three hundred and forty questions that Jesus
asks in the New Testament and on one hundred and fifteen summer occasions, right,
he ever asked a question because he needs to know the answer. And
I'll give you. I'll give you an example. And this isn't in the
book either, the one I just ready there is, I don't. I
don't think I have john one in the book either. But in Mark chapter
nine, Jesus is approaching a father whose son is demon possessed, and Jesus
says, how long has he been like this meaning the son? How long
has the son been them? Which is which is really kind of an interesting
question that you or I would ask. But if you're God, what does
it matter if it's a day, an hour, a week, a month
since birth, you know that sort of thing. It doesn't matter. And
this is the thing about Jesus's questions. They're not that he didn't ask him
because he needed to know the answer. He's asked him because someone else around
him needed to know the answer. I don't know if you've got a chance
to look through the through the book or read any of the the chapters in
the Yeah, I did check. I did read six or nine as you
as you said, okay, good, Yeah, So I mean, I
think it's just fascinating the things that he's trying to pull out of people when
he asked these questions. Anyway, I won't say any more about that unless
you want to let me to go down. No, not not at all.
It all makes great sense. And what made you decide to actually put
your like you said it was much of the dissertation is what you put in
the book. But what made you decide to what motivated you to put it
out as a book? Not really sure. I just felt like it was
good material maybe, and and that as far as I could tell nowhere,
I had really done a definitive work on Jesus' questions. I mean, some
people did some of the questions and they didn't really I didn't really like the
commentary that they gave about those. Like I said, I've always kind of
challenged what I've heard from others. You know, So I don't know the
motivation I think was pure, sure, I'll say that, but I just
found a very fascinating one to see if other people wanted to share in that.
And and I tell you what, I I don't think I've ever really
sold sold a copy. I ended up giving them away, keep them in
my vehicle when I'm working at people's homes. You know, I'll cite it.
I just a matter of fact, I just signed one on Friday to
a realtor. If I said, Merrik Christmas, so you know his questions
are and lead you closer relationship with him. That's sort of so. And
again, if somebody wants a copy, they can email you at the Chris
Bosong at gmail dot com. Yeah, that that would be yeah, okay,
I like I, like I mentioned before, we push record a.
They're out there on Amazon, but I don't get a penny. I don't
know who's getting that money. I've never sold one on Amazon. I've never
shipped one to anyone. I don't know if somebody out there has got a
copy of it in there. You know. I've done a few updates though,
and I think the version I had here, maybe in the version I
mailed to you has has an update there. But so I think, I
think, I think maybe this would be a conversation you can come back to,
maybe right before Easter, because there's quite a few questions in the book
about the last week in Jesus's life. I think kind of get me in
the mood for you know, sometimes you got to prepare for the holidays now,
and this one kind of prepares you for Easter, you know, across
that sort of thing. So well, anyway, one of the things that
I was hoping to kind of talk to you about and your audience was,
was where I'm at with flat Earth and when it comes to the where I'm
at with flatterth and scripture and I'm putting together in the last I don't even
know, and I have free time the last couple of years, last year
or two maybe actually I've only been a flat Earth maybe maybe since the beginning
of this year, so it's about a year about it hasn't even Yeah,
yeah, maybe it's because we're at the end of December, so and I'm
kind of trying to put together. What I'm trying to do is process everything
I've ever know about, say, Genesis one and two and the Creation.
Some of it does touch on flat Earth, some of it doesn't touch on
flat earth. But where it does, how do we make sense of that?
And I've listened to a good bit of your podcast, and I listened
to your guests and that sort of thing, and I feel like some of
them have a good solid foundation. A lot of people are asking questions,
you know. And I'm not trying to be the expert on how to develop
a biblical cosmology on Genesis, but I hear a lot of things being said
and writ you know, people writing books and that sort of thing. I'm
not necessarily talking about flat earthings, but through the years when I've heard stuff,
I think a lot of times people are kind of groping for straws,
you know, And I think I'll come out of the gates running to catch
the attention of you and your listeners, and this may make them angry and
may may make them walk away from the podcast, But I implore you all
to listen very carefully what I'm going to say, and then we'll come back
and we'll put some meat on the bones. But I think we are trying
to develop a biblical understanding of flat Earth. We need to give up the
notion that the Bible teaches that the universe was created in six days. There's
a more inscription that the Bible says the universe was created in six days.
And whenever I say that to people right away, they tune me out and
they start looking through the Bible and they start versus that sort of. But
I want to build a little bit of a foundation by saying you had you
had a guy on your show the other day named John, I thinking a
pastor, and and he was kind of hinting around at some things. One
of the things I told you in our in my initial email to you,
was that I've challenged Old Earth creations and Young Earth creationism. They're usually to
toll to the two schools of thoughts, so so Old Earth creationism basically believes
that if we take each of the days six days, and we put him
into millions or billions years, you know, that's that's how God created the
universe and through popular with a lot of authors. Right now, Young Earth
Creation isn't basically says everything is less than sixtus well or around six thousand years
ago. Where I'm coming from from Scripture actually is that I believe Scripture teaches
that God created the universe and then he took six days to fashion the biosp
so so he creates the earth that he can get. And by the way,
Joe, free to interrupt me. I want to have more of a
conversation than me. Sure, Just just let's want to give you a chance
to lay your your actual what what you're thinking out to the face. So
here's the thing. In the beginning, God created the universe. Yep,
God created the heavens and the earth. King James says the heaven, but
the Hebrew where there is plural, so it really doesn't wire. And it
began God created the heavens and earth verse two. When we get the verse
two, most people, especially and I'm not and by the way, when
I say Young Earth creations, I'm not. I'm not busting on anybody here
at all. But most people, especially Young Earth Creations, have no idea
what they'll do with first two. And I'm reading I think out of the
Niger. Chapter one says, now the earth was formless and empty, and
darkness was over the surface of the spirit of God was hovering over the waters,
and God said, let her be light. Now, it's very interesting
because what Moses is doing here is he's describing the conditions of the earth prior
to let there be light and everybody. A lot of times people say,
well, what he's doing is he's describing the conditions of the earth or conditions
of creation prior to him creating yours. Well, if I if I have
a lump of pizza that I that I put in the fridge for a day
or two and then I take it out, and then I'm going to make
a pizza today, that love of pizza was made a day or two though
wasn't made. It wasn't made today. So to me, that and that
that reasoning doesn't hold up. So what the mistake that we make is we
make the mistake of thinking that verse one and verse two are part of day
one and they're not. And and here's here's and I'll give you. I'll
try to give you examples as we go through this of things I can stick
in your mind and you can think on For example, it's Christmas. Now
we sing the song Twelve Days of Christmas. We all know the song.
Right on the first day of Christmas, my true love gave to me a
part Gina pay tree. Right, there's the end. Next day, on
the second day of Christmas, my truly love give me the partridge or two
total bubbs and prtrogen peer treat third day, third day of Christmas. Might
truly gave them me three French hands, two totals and a portray. So
this song follows a pattern. It follows the pattern on the first day of
Christmas. That's how it starts, and it ends a partigen a pear tree.
Now if we look at if we look beginning with verse three of Genesis
one, each of those days general and speaking begins with the phrase evening and
morning. I'm sorry, doesn't begin with that ends with evening where it begins
with and God said. So each of those days begins with and God said,
and each of those days ends with evening and morning. Day X.
I see where you're getting at. So those two eber phrases don't begin until
verse three. So what I'm trying to say is that God creates the universe.
And then we have this dilemma. We have the earth sitting there,
and what's the spirit of God doing the Spirit of God? And depending on
your translation, the spirit of God is brooding or hovering over the waters.
Now, the word there for brood or hubb is also used by Moses in
Deuterotoity Deuteronomy thirty to eleven of an eagle who's brooding over its nest. So
when we talk about you, I know you have animals there. Yeah,
we had chickens. You've got chickens of it. Do you know how long
the chicken sits over it's eggs? Well, for us, it's until we
chase them off. Well, that's a good example. But one day.
Yeah, if it's twenty one days, obviously, if it's for a hatch
situation, he has three weeks. Yeah, yeah, right now, if
you're now an albatross, they actually take turns to parents. They sit over
their eggs for about seventy to eighty days, okay, And then you have
an emperor penguin and they brewed over their eggs your chicks for a total of
one ten, one hundred and fifteen days. Now, Moses could have ridden
anything he wanted describing the spirit about harvering over those words between Genesis one to
one and Genesis two, foarders over eighty verbs and infinitives that Moses uses.
And yet in verse two he picks a verb that implies the passage of time.
Why of all the verse he could have used, why pick a verb
that implies the passage of time? Do you see what I'm saying? So
the Spirit of God is rooting over the water is in the same way that
a bird roots over it's young its eys. So I suggest that verses one,
in verses two, or at least verse two, is imphy deep time
before the infamous words or famous words let there be light. Now, I
said to you, this isn't the gap theory. Here's what the gap there
is. The gap theory is that between verses one and two there's a gap
of time. And the reason we think there's the reason that people are hold
of the gap theories think there's a gap of time between verses one and two
is because when they get the verse two, they translate the verb there.
Instead of saying was now the earth was, they translated the earth be chained?
And of course it was is italicized. It's meant to be emphasized.
It's meant to be emphasized. Yeah. But here's the thing. People say,
you believe in the GAF theory. They say, well, there could
be a gap of time between verses two and three. But let me step
back to verses one and two and talk about the GAF they and what the
GAF theory says is the gap theory says that God created the earth and then
there was this angelic fight and the earth got destroyed and it's sitting in verse
two in chaos, right, And I don't think that's what happened at all,
because the grammar doesn't allowed. I'll tell you why the grammar doesn't allow.
Because in verse two, if I said to you, George, where
have you been? And you say to me, I has a way to
the store, that's your answer. Now is a good grammar? No?
Do I understand what you mean? Sure? I know where you are.
Is it possible that that's a translation of what you mean? Is that Is
it a good translation with me? No, it's really not. I has
went to the store. So is it likely that Moses, under the inspiration
of the Holy Spirit, would have said I has went to the store.
No, he's not going to say that. So basically the example of the
word, if we translate the word as became, we're using bad grammar that
neither Moses would use, nor the Holy Spirit would, you see. So
that's why I dismissed the gap. I dismissed the gap three based on the
syntax, the grammar of of and the and really the context of of what's
going on here. But before verse three, uh, or rather beginning in
verse three, God then prepares the earth for life, and he prepares the
bias. Ye. Now in verse one we have this, we have this
verb bara b a r a, and that verse that verb appears in verse
one in the beginning of God Bara the heavens and the earth. That verb
does not appear on day one. If you begin day one with verse three,
it doesn't be. It's not in day two, it's not in day
three, it doesn't appear on day four, and it only appears on days
five and six in conjunction with the creation of life. And when you turn
the Exodus chapter twenty, people say, well it says there that God created
the earth in six days. Well it it doesn't. Let's look at verse
eleven, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth and
the sea. You know, it's all in them. He rested on the
seventh day there for God bless the Sabbath and made it holy. So the
word creates not there in the Hebrew. It's not there nobody I think of
all the translations I've ever found, one time, one one translation used the
word creator. But the Hebrew word bara b a r a is not there.
It's it's the Hebrew word a saw a a a s a h as
saw God the Lord a saw the heavens and earth. Now what is a
sam? A saw means to make? But I think make is a really
poor English translation, because because you know Christmas is coming, I don't know
if you guys are going to make any pies. You're not going to create
the pie. You're gonna make the pie. You're going to take apples,
and you're going to take flour and all that kind of stuff, and you're
gonna make and bake a pie. Now, the word the word a saw
or if from Jersey we'd say asa a s a same same word, right,
asa a saw. It can be translated over seveny different ways in the
Old Testament, so we had words like pair, uh, make do that
sort of thing. But never ever, ever, once anywhere is a saw
ever created as a translated as create. Now. I'll give you example of
besides the pie. Let's say you've gotta you're sitting in front of you got
a couple of little plastic jars of plato, right, got a red jar,
and you got a blue jar gonna yellow joy. And I asked you
to make some So you open up one of the jars, and you know,
you smell it. It smells great, like when we were kids used
to taste it, all that kind of stuff. So maybe you make a
tree, maybe you make a ball, maybe you make a dog that sort
of thing, right, but you didn't actually you didn't actually create anything.
You made something or you reformed it or you fashioned it. This is a
saw. So it's translated seventy different ways into King James, but never once
is it created or is it translated create now. Truth be told. Even
Hasbro doesn't create play them. They make play right from stuff that ever exists,
right yep. Which is which is very interesting because in the Old Testament
Book of Esther, when we turn to the Book of asked just a second.
I'm in chapter five of the Book of Esther, beginning around verse four,
the queen prepares a feast for wicked Haman, and the verb there for
prepares is asa or a saw. If we're saying, by the way,
when I lived, I just just want to get this off my chest.
So I lived in Israel, people say dave it King David, and I
said, you mean King David, or said Yasu, Oh, do you
mean Jesus. Let's let it worry English. Let's let's just say Jesus.
Let's just ry David. I don't have to say dalby. And you know,
so asa or a saw? Right. But anyway, what Queen Esther
does here is she prepares that influenced meal for Haman, and she praares it
from things that already were created goats, fish, sheep, wine, you
know, et cetera, et cetera. So she didn't bara b a r
a or create the meal she arepared. And this is why I say never
once in scripture, and you see that God created the or borrow the universe
in six days. It says in Genesis one one he borrowed the universe,
and then later it says he prepared the universe. And why it's so?
Why is this important? It's important because if we if words mean something,
and so we flatters say, well, the earth's not a sphere, but
the earth is round. So my wife said to me, smart, what's
the dear swing round in a sphere? You know we've we've parted that before.
Sure, Well a ball is round, but a plate is a sphere.
So if we're going to parse words as flatter rhythms, less parts,
parse words in Hebrew in the Bible, the biblic Biblical Hebrew has less than
nine thousand. It barely has over eighty somewhere between eighty two and eighty six
hundred words in Biblical Hebrew. Our English language has somewhere to one hundred fifty
thousand and two hundred and fifty thousand words. So for every one word in
Hebrew, there's twenty words in English English. Right, Yeah, And yet
when people read and I don't think they do this purposely, but when they
read the word make for in six days, the Lord made the heavens of
the earth. In their mind, right, I didn't think of about it.
They say, oh, God created the earth in six days. That's
not what it says. It says in the beginning God created the heavens of
the earth, and then it says for in six days God prepared the heavens.
Big. It makes a big difference there. So all the time people
say, well, these two words are synonyms for synonyms or synonyms, and
again I go back to the fact, well they're not. If we're going
to parse words, they're not. They mean commpletely different things. And if
the word a saw meant create, then we ought to be able to find
a version that has the word created. Now, by the way, I
will say that in order for a book to be a Bible to be copagraded,
my understanding is it has to have I don't know ten different words than
any other version of the Bible that's out there. So Bible translators do get
created. Then they start using synonyms. Now, and in the English,
when we use the word create, make interchange in me. We do it
all the time. I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm going to create a pie or
I'm going to create a painting. Well, what we really may mean is
we're going to make see. So this is the difference splitting here is between
those two words now I want to say something here, here's an analogy of
why these two words aren't synonyms. So I mentioned to you before we pushed
record that one of the things I've been doing my whole life is painting and
handing, then working in the ministry and going to school and that sort of
thing. I got my first professional pay job when I was eight. I
had a there was a guy in my brother's people were out back in New
Jersey who needed some of the paint is garage, you know, nineteen sixty
eight, sixty nine, something like that. I got twenty bucks, you
know, for paint and his garage and so so. So here's an analogy.
This is the true story. This goes back a couple of weeks,
a couple of years. So I had this. I had this guy that
wanted me to come in and work work on his bathroom. Now, when
I say work on his bathroom, the word work is that word acea.
If I said to you, George, can you excuse me for a moment,
I got to get up and I got to do the dishes? What
is doing the dishes? Well? In Hebrew? Do is asa? Now?
What do they do to the dishes? I didn't I didn't, you
know, warmed them. I didn't nate them. So this word is a
very big word in the Hebrew, so listen to this. I went to
this guy's house. I ripped the sink in the countertop out of the bathroom
after turning the water off, and then I removed the toilet. I repaired
the toilet flange. I replaced the abs piping that was causing flooding down there
in the bathroom. I sealed the drain shut, I repainted the door.
I put in a new cabinet. I installed a sink. I seated the
toilet, and it goes on and on and on right calk where necessary.
So when it was all done, I emailed the guy and he signed me
for remodeling his bathroom. So he used one word to thank me for for
dozens of different yeah. Yeah, So between Genesis one to one and Genesis
two four, we have over eighty verbs and infinitives. Now I want to
take you into Genesis two for just a second. Genesis two, because this
is where people get hung up verse beginning of verse one. Thus the heavens
and the earth were completed in all their mast array. By the seventh day,
God had finished the work he had been doing that we're doing. There
is asa or a saw. I keep reverting to my joysy accent. So
on the seventh day he wrested from his work. And God blessed the seventh
day, and he made it holy because on it he rested from all the
work of what creating Bara and all that he had done asa. And here's
here's another thing I find people. People limit the scripture. I just told
you how I renovated the athroom, and I used over a dozen verbs.
When we read when we read this verse three, year of chapter two,
verse three, we said, well, create and make are the same their
synonyms? Why are they sin? That is the scripture? Why are we
limiting God to one action when I when I used twelve different verbs to renovate
a bathroom, right, so they're not synonyms. And we make the mistake
by making them synonyms. And when we may make the mistake by making them
synonyms, we come up with theologies that are biblical. And let me give
an example. And I hear this all the time. Well, the first
thing God that was said, let there be light. So God creates light.
Well, it never says by the way he created light, he just
what he did was the earth is described in verse two as sitting in the
darkness, and in verse three he allows, he commands that light come and
pierce that darkness. And then they'll say, well, he didn't create the
sullen mood till the fourth dead. Well, let's go look at the fourth
day. And we're parts and words here because we're flat earthers and we like
the parsers and we like to get things right. So look at verse fourteen.
And God said, let there be lights in the expanse of this guy,
to separate the day from night, and let them serve as signs to
mark seasons and days and years, and let them be his lights, and
the expansive guy to get light under the earth. And it was so.
And God made two great lights, the greater light to governor day, in
unlesser light to government to night. He also made the stars. So the
verst thing we should notice about that versus that that the word creates not there.
It doesn't say that God created the sun moaning stars. What did he
do? He made them? Well, he he made, he prepared it.
I don't even like to use the word me. And people say,
well, you're changing that you're changing. No, I think made is misleading.
Okay, he made them, but didn't he already create the universe in
the beginning, it says in verse one. In the beginning, God created
the heavens in New York, now heavens in Europe, and is some mirrorsm
the Hebrew MIRRORSM for everything. So on first, on day four, he
felt it necessary to prepare the sun in the mood. And then he also
assigns them they I'm trying to look for this place where he says he he
says, and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give
what and he and he and he did that. So the word Nathan,
this is the whole third word n A t h A n. The word
Nathan means to assign. So what did I What did God do? On
day four? He prepared the sun in the moon. I'm using the word
prepared etentally because I don't want to use the word made, because when we
s here it made, and he create, He prepared, and he has
signed the sun in the movie. Why did he only prepare them? And
why did he? In verse seventeen, he says he set them in the
expanse of the sky. That's the word nathan. Set set them is the
Hebrew word Nathan. So what did God doing dayfore? He prepared the sun
and the moon, and he has signed they existed before verse three, Let
there be light. So here's the mistake we made. We make the mistake
of thinking that God did all this in six days, when scripture, in
my opinion, doesn't teach it. And when and when we do that,
we go down. We put the Bible in very difficult predicaments. We forced
the Bible to say things that the Bible's not saying. We forced the Bible
to say that God created the universe in six days, when the Bible doesn't
say it created. God created the use six days. It says it created
it getting and then he prepared it. And by the way, if you
go if you go to Exodus and read verse eleven, it doesn't even have
the work in in Exodus twenty eleven. It doesn't say for in six days
the inn is supplied by the translators. It says for six days the Lord
arranged, worked, prepared foreign fashion, I mean seventy seventy to sending thems
in English, not create that God, God did the heavens and the earth
and all that's in and he rested on the seventh day. So I'll stop
for a second. Yeah, let me ask you a couple of questions.
Let you jump in. Yeah, for sure. Number one, we know
like every time something gets translated, a little bit gets lost. How important
And I'm not saying everybody should stop what they're doing and learn Hebrew, but
to fully understand the Bible in its original form? How important is it,
because I'm assuming you did with all the time that you had in school,
how important is it to really understand Hebrew to get a full understanding of the
Bible. Well, here's what I always say. I always say, most
of this can just be found by looking, like saying strongs, concordance,
right, good Bible dictionactionally. So what Hebrew did for me, and nobody
speaks biblically Hebrew, by the way, it's not a non spoken language,
right, what it did for me was it took me. It took me
to such depths in my education that I'm able to look at a commentary now
and have the confidence to say that's not what it's saying. And that confidence
is the same confidence when you go to a medical surgeon and he takes one
look at you and he says, yeah, this is what you have.
I'm I'm getting hernia surgery. Here on the twentieth right, the guy never
eating got up out of the chair doctor during Nicoles consultation. I just stood
up and I showed showed him, you know, I got a bulge on
the front of me. Without getting too graphic. He said, oh,
yeah, you got to hearn you. Now, how can he do that
because he was taken to great depths in his training and in his and his
experience to the point that he's able to stand up against those that are not
necessarily giving us what the Bible says. And I'm not saying they're being deceptents.
I don't think by teachers, by professors were being accept they were just
regurgitating what they were. So a person out there is listened to this podcast,
I mean, take a strong cords and look, there's two words up.
You'll see a saw. You'll see seventy different meetings. You'll never see
it used as the word create. So if God did create the universe in
six days, then what is going on in verse two? Look at the
description of the earth in verse two. It's described in great detail. It's
described as formless, empty, darkness of the service, deep, the spirit
of God's hovering over the waters. That's a lot of stuff to be going
on if it isn't already created, right, And I want to ask you
a question, and it might hurt your head, because every time I try
to think about it, my mind kind of collapses. And I generally don't
ask this question. But this is just from a kind of a philosopher point
of view. Uh, And I want to say the very very first verse
of the Bible, it says in the beginning, I'm kjva here in the
beginning, God created the heaven and the earth. So why did God?
In your opinion? And again there's I don't know if it's a way to
answer this. And again it melts your mind when you try to think about
it. Why did God create heaven in the earth? And you know,
did time start? You know, whether it was sixty five hundred years ago?
What was going on? Why? Again, it's it's a kind of
an interesting question to ask, But why did God decide to create what he
did? Knowing how flawed the creation would would turn out? I'm not sure
I could personally answer that question. I don't know. I'm not sure I
know the answer. Why. All we know is what he did, and
I feel like we can look back and say how he did it with some
confidence. You asked another question here. I'm trying to know what it was?
What was was? Wherein a time starts? Because it's kind of oh
yeah, yeah, yeah. I personally think time started with Genesis one one,
whether were there or not, whether the sun is going aroun twenty four
hours or not. I think, I think time, I think everything.
I think everything was created in verse one. The only exception to that is
life. Life wasn't created in verse one. We don't have life being created
until we have first Day's five six. But we still have time. So
even before verse three, let there be light, there's time because we have
the Spirit of God rooting over the earth. Like again, I repeating myself,
but what a weird verb to use if you don't want to convey the
passage of time. He could have used any other verb there. The Spirit
of God glanced, the Spirit of God contemplated, the Spirit of God thought
about, No, he's brooting, And the only picture that a Hebrew would
have is a bird mooting over it tanks complies the passage of time. Can't
answer the why question, but the time questions is kind of easy there.
Uh By the way, I do want to say that sometimes people say,
well, Genesis one one is just uh, it's just telling me what God.
It's a summary verse. In the beginning God created the heavens and Europe,
and then then he begins to tell you how God unpacked. Well,
I got a bunch of books. And the way that we write titles on
books is we we and the same things in the Hebrew is normally you take
out a word. So normal normally when we write a title of a book
in English, we take out the verb. So I got killing the s
s bill o'right now, there is a verb there, but it's not a
set. Killing the SS is in zincomplete. Right. The reporter who knew
too much? Oh yeah, Gary Webb? Right, so that's Mark Shaw
Dorothy chill Gallan. Have you ever gone down the cool Uh now, I'm
familiar with the Gary Webb, that guy who knew too much? But uh
so this is the reporter who knew too much? So Dorothy kill Gallant was
the only person besides an official FBI or uh policeman to interview. Oh the
JFK Lady Jack Ruby. Yes, yes, yes, yes, I have
heard. Then she's suddenly overdosed in uh having never done the drugs. Yeah,
A on the way, My point is that that verse one is not
a it's not a title, it's not a summary. It's not a preview
of what's coming. It's actually it's it's a statement of action already done because
it has a Bourbon near as a subject Bourbon predicate in the beginning got created
the heavens. Anyway, So again I've talked too much over over top of
what you were probably gonna say. No, that's fine. You you go
into great detail and that's uh, that's great to know, and you have
the experience. So I'd like to hear all the different sides and everybody can
take it. And again that's that's the beautiful thing about this, bringing everybody
on and to share their beliefs. By the way, I forgot about this.
Your father went to high school with Carl Sagan. Yes he did.
Yeah, so my dad's still alive. I wrote an article a couple of
years ago, and every one in a while I'll post it somewhere. The
tale of two Carls because my dad's name is Carl, and of course Carl
Sagan Carl. So my dad went to school when I actually went to high
school with Carl Sagan. And the tale of two Carls is that my dad
had a you know, experience with the Savior, with the Creator, and
I feel like Carl Sagan without trying to judge it never did. My parents
would go to reunions over the years, and my mom one time went up
to Carl Sagan and you know, she was chatting with him and talking to
him about religious things, spiritual things, you know, that sort of thing.
Well, I shouldn't say religious spiritual things, and Carl Sagan said,
surely, I almost believe. So that sums up his life. Man.
Yeah, my brother got a bunch of letters he was used to write Carl
Sagan back in the day. My brother was thinking of being wanted to be
an astronaut, you know, and ended up majoring in physics that sort of
thing, just like Carl Sagan. So he Yeah, anyway, that's a
fun little part of our our background. Yeah, he died young. He
was only like sixty two years old when he died. Yeah, he wasn't
he wasn't that old, you know, but uh, you have it,
and I don't know if you're good. Ask me silver bullets. I've got
a unique set. Yeah, please, let's jump into them right now.
And I say one, uh, one of my silver bullets is the fact
that Carl Sagan was fond of saying, or at least said, in the
opening to his Cosmo series. I think that's the one we did for public.
Heelobed that the Earth is just this pale blue dot, meaning it's insignificant.
It doesn't and and I know you and others because I'm mute to the
flatter earth world, no pun intend. I think I think we do matter.
I think we are important. And I think that when we get our
theology right, when we get our flat Earth understanding correct, or realize that
we are important to God. And Carl Sagan truck spent us whole like trying
to talk about how insignificant were and where we came from, you know that
sort of thing. So if I had to go back and say, what
are one of my sober bullets, it would be the fact that there's so
many people out there, like Carl Singting that are trying to make us insignificant
enough so that you ought to you ought to raise your you ought to raise
your awareness as to why they're doing it. Why do they not want us
to drink raw milk? I heard you say the other day podcast. Well,
George, you're gonna get you better cut that out of your podcast.
You can get trouble because it's selling. The buying and selling raw milk is
pretty much Landja in trouble. Yeah. But so I have Crohn's disease.
I was diagnosed in nineteen ninety three. Uh. The doctor who diagnosed me
was the same doctor who diagnosed the Legioneer's disease. Hmm. And uh,
I'm in remission and I they've said to me, I'm in your remission.
They've gone up in neuro checking. I had about seven surgeons fly My wife
said that's enough. They took part of my intestines out, you know that
sort of thing. And uh so we started, we started doing our own
research and we got out to raw milk, and raw milk really really helped
me. So why do they not want us to drink raw milk? For
the same reason they don't the same reason they wanted us to be always sick.
You know, take another COVID shot, right, you know that sort
of thing, Take another flu shot right. Well, anyway, Uh,
one of my silver bullets is the names of Satan. When I became a
flat earther and I started thinking about the names of Satan, I said,
Chris, it all makes sense. He's He's We're told in John three different
times in the Gospel of John that Satan is the prince of this world.
We're told in Ephesians he's the prince of the power of the air. We're
told. Uh. Again in Ephesians says he's the ruler of the darkeness of
this world. And second Corinthians four four says he's the god of this one.
So for me, being a theologian, this was a siber bullet because
I said, well, it makes sense because if you you know, we
tend to we tend to run about and this is a really old analogy,
but we tend to run around like Flip Wilson saying the devil made me do
it. You know, I mean, what does the devil really care if
we have a second piece of chalk? He doesn't. So we fooled ourselves
as the Christians into believing that those little things are the things Satan is bottomed
with, when when the whole real is it's the big things, like the
globe EIRs, it's the big things. If you were the god of this
world, then you had you had a limited amount of time. You're gonna
go after the big things. Just not that, not that Satan doesn't.
Yeah, I'll go after the little things. I'm not saying that, you
know, not trying to create a theology Satan. But sure I think he's
going after the big things, right, I agree? Of course, of
course we all have silver bullets, like the vacuum space. I think what
I finally thought about that, well, gosh, it makes perfect sense the
vacuum space does it even exist? And then of course I started putting on
my theological and saying, well, day two, what does he create?
He creates that? From me? That right? To me? That was
that was a silver bullet. That was a noe brighter. You know,
by the way, I want to say something about verse two. Everybody talks
about this to Huabbo. You know you've heard it a million times. I'm
sure you know. I want to say something about that. I think without
form and void is possibly the worst transulation of the Hebrew ever to be forced
to pamps I'm serious about. You know, they always say, well,
in Jeremiah and Isaiah, you know, the context is judgment, etcetera,
etcetera. Hey, Hey, here's here's the truth. The word toe.
If you look up the group word in Hebrew, the first definition usually given
is empty empty. But we kind of skip over that. We say,
oh, it was it was, it was chaos. And this goes back
to that gaffs the angels had a war with and God. Now I'm not
saying God didn't throw Satan out of you know, Isaiah and Ezekiel will talk
about Satan in the position he had, and then now he's the god of
this world. So I'm not trying to fight against what happened there. What
I'm trying to do is describe the creation as everybody thinks verse two. The
earth is negative, it's bad. It's here's what to whu wabo who means?
And by the way, a lot of people think that wabo who just
rhyme was a word that was developed to rhyme with toe who kind of sing
songy right, sings strongy. I think the best translation is empty and unproductive.
So in verse two it says, now the earth was empty and unproduct
and guess what. That's not suggesting any kind of judgment. It's just sitting
there. It's empty, it's unproductive. Here comes God and what's he going
to do. He's going to form the bios So what do we see during
those six years six days? We see him taking the earth and he's creating.
Ah, I used to work myself. I shouldn't do that. Sorry,
He's forming. He's preparing the biosphere for life without the biosphere. So
so people say, well, the geneology say that the uh, you know,
if we add up all the genealogies, we only go back six thousand,
save you sixty five hundred years, right, No, you know what
the genealogies tell us. They tell us that Adam was created sixty five hundred
years ago. They don't tell us the Earth was created sixty You see that.
You see the distinction there, That's that's the big difference. So anyway,
I burst you. I just wanted to touch on that, because empty
and unproductive, I fit uh describe the earth. Here's a here's the oldest
you know what, the oldest book in the Old Testament is or I said,
don't even have a run to mean the old book in the Old Testament
is not genousis Let's see, you got Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, numbers
Deuteronomy. I'm gonna go with I believe it's uh Leviticus, Isn't it is?
Joe? Oh oh, you said the Old Testament, didn't you.
I was thinking of the tour, and I was thinking of the tour,
and I'm sorry, yeah, no, no, that's Joe. So when
you when you turn to Joe, chapter thirty eight, listen to this.
Now, after everything we've said about verse too, this is this is God
talking to Joe. Sa phone is ringing in the background. Oh yeah,
this is what past Urtle talks about. The clay and the seal. Yeah.
The play to one should say, I want to read, okay,
so look at look at verse eight. I'm gonna shut up the sea behind
the doors when it bursts forth from the womb. I made the fl clouds
its garment and wrapped it in thick darkness. That's that's Genesis one too.
Genesis one too. I made the clouds its garment and wrapped it in thick
darkness. So in verse two, Verse two is actually taught well. Job
here is older of course than Genesis. Doesn't mean the story's old, right
right, right, The book is old, The book is older. The
point is that the earth is described as being wrapped in thick darkness, which
is exactly what verse two is saying in Genesis. And what does God say
in verse three, let there be late? So what he does is the
light that already exists from the sun hen't pierce through that thick darkness until he
says, let there be light. So the light then pierces that thick darkness,
and from there on God is preparing the earth at that point in six
days for life, and then at the end of the days, he creates
life on the earth. So to get back to what we said here,
I think sometimes we make we make the Bible try to say things it's not
saying. The Bible is not saying that God created the universe in six days.
It's saying he created the universe, and then it's saying he prepared it
in six days. How much time is between verse Joe verse three, We
don't know. We have no idea. But getting back to you mentioned the
Genesis six book and all that kind of stuff. But the Could the Angelic
war taken place in my opinion between verses two and verse three, of course,
yeah, certainly fit a bit. Did the did the did the did
the angels of God? The demons? Did any of them need a place
to dwell? No? Their spirits? So why do they meet an earth
to dwell on? Why did they have to Why do they have to have
a big war? Reck the your They didn't need the break of earth?
They they just what's the verse in the versus Lay that talks about he prepared
it to be inhabited? Right? Isaya forty five? Verse eighteen? For
for this as the Lord that created the heavens, got himself, that formed
the earth, had made it, that made love that, and he has
established it. He created it, not in vain, he formed it.
He formed it to be inhabited. I am the Lord, and there is
none else. So to bring things full circle, that is kind of where
I'm at my theology of putting together a flat earth, a flat earth theology
that I think aligns with with scripture. You know that's interesting because you know,
I look, I always keep Gary Wayne's book next to me. Here.
It's eight hundred pages on based on one chapter of the Bible, and
to be fair, some of Enoch obviously, But I mean we just had
an hour conversation on a couple of Bible verses, like literally the first Game
Well versus of the Bible, and it's it's it's so interesting how you can
between research and against Strong's concordance and and Hebrew to actually find the true meaning
of the words. And again, when you're in Sunday School or in church,
you kind of just read the verses and you don't really deep dive into
them like we really should. You. You tend to use these syminards and
you're fine, yep, yeah, I want to give you I would give
you another analogy when when I was kids, I'm I don't know about this
was true. Back in Jersey, we used to get milk on the porch,
you know, the milk man, and the milk milk was fresh.
But the bottel might have been made a year ago. So so here's the
universe could have been made. It could have been made a billion years ago.
And to me, it doesn't that I'm not suggesting that anything other than
the six Days goes back past say say ten thousand, eighty five hundred something
like that, but we tend to die on these hills. That. Oh,
the Bible says that the art's only sixty five hundred years old. Well
it doesn't say that, you see, And you need to let you need
to stop twisting the Bible to make it say what you wanted to say.
Do I have a probably billions of years. No, because my God's eternal.
My God's eternal. He could have made Verse one and verse two could
have taken place four billion years ago, for all I know, ten billions
trophans. It doesn't matter when did when did the six days of preparation of
the Earth take place? Let's trust the genealogies. Maybe maybe less than you
know sixty five hundred years ago, you see. So what I'm trying to
build here is I believe. I believe the fossils are part of Noah's flood.
I believe in all the things that the good parts of you know that
most of believers on your show have talked about. You know, So this
is nothing out of the ordinary. It's just taking scripture. And here's the
other thing. Like I said, I don't know if I'm repeating myself here,
stop me if I am, but a lot of times. Well I
get all done, and people will say, okay, Chris, so who
else leaves this? Well, well, wait a minute, you're asking the
wrong question. If I just taught you from the Bible something, you go
back now and you look at the Bible and you see if that holds up?
Do I want to trust that? I'm not picking on anybody here,
but do I want to trust say a Jewish expositor? Maybe? Maybe not,
because here's the problem I had with some Jewish expositors, and going back
years and years and years, they missed the Christ. Yep, so they
search scriptures and still miss the Christ. Uh. Do I want to trust
the Catholic Church? Expose the Catholic expositors? I mean, they believe Mary's
a codeemer with Christ. So if they believe that, am I going to
trust their other theology? Do I want to trust? You know? You
put the hecks and put the wy in there. You see my point?
So here, So, so if anybody needs to say, okay, Chris,
where do some of this stuff come from? There's a quote from Thomas
Aquinas. He says, but the heaven existed before the days it as is
clear from the words in the beginning God created heaven and earth. It seems
better to maintain that the creation of the heavens and earth was prior to any
of the days. So when we when we properly start day one with verse
three, we get a proper theology what God was doing. We make the
mistake of putting verse one in verse two. And we've read it all,
and I've heard people on the program. I've heard other people. They start
in verse one and they write the verse five, and the verse five is
the end of day one, and they say, well, see there's day
one, but they're starting at verse one instead of verse verse three. So
again the young Earth. You say, you're not a young Earth creationist,
not an older creationist, but what you call a young biosphere creationism. Well,
actually I used to be a young bias for creations I had. I
had, I had one of the biggest Facebook pages on young bias for creationism.
When I became a flat Earth through I actually got I actually pretty much
stripped that group of all my posts. The people in the group thought I
was a hericice of course, of course. Yeah. But here's the problem
that I had was with young biosphere creationism. Although I do believe the biosphere
is recent. Young biosphere creationists also believe that there's planets and galaxies, so
they don't make that differentiation the same thing that Young Earth's creationists would leave and
Old Earth's creations. So I'm trying to develop a biblical theology in my mind
that doesn't include billions of galaxies and that sort of thing. So I'm not
I'm not worried about time because because Verse one could have happened to trillion years
ago. I've I've shread myself of the planets and stars and galaxies, and
that's one thing that Young biosphere creations still believe, right, they believe they
actually leave, you know, in multiple you know, multiple galaxies, that
sort of thing. So, and we still have a ton to cover,
which we will do in our part too. But something I wanted to run
by you before I forget two things. Number one, Carl Sagan, and
it just so happens, I've been doing this research on racing Racine, Wisconsin
for a year and a half and we're debut on that podcast Tuesday, on
my other podcast, and you know, as you were talking, I was
kind of going back through Carl Sagan's recording. Yeah, and he ended up.
He started at Harvard, but he went to Cornell, which has a
direct connections to everything I've been researching over the last year and a half.
Cornell has a lot of of course it's in Ithaca by the Finger Lakes,
and of course Hunter Biden has had two on his back and it's such a
deep dive. But I found that interesting, and I wonder if that's really
when, because that is a hub of the things that get put out into
the world as far as indoctrination goes, And I wonder if that's really where
his mentality changed. Did your father say he was kind of the same guy
back then as he was when he got famous. Yeah, I would say
that My dad would probably say that that Carl Sagan didn't change. He sat
next to him in chemistry and you know, physics and all the other classes
and that sort of thing. He was kind of destined, I think,
to be to be what he was. But but but again, at that
time, my dad didn't know christ either. Was there was wasn't it born
again Christian? So I'm not sure my dad had that discerningness to to really
And it's been so long my dad's ninety I was live while and kicking for
him to kind of go back there and uh put his self into the frame
of mind he had one sitting in high school. I think it would be
hard for Yeah, for sure, that's you know, that sort of thing.
So something, you know, if we do a part two, I
can bring out the yearbook. I got the yearbook of Carl Sagan, his
picture and he signed my dad's name. I said to Bow's I think he
called them bows, you know, which is kind of why I I,
uh with my business name. I say, doctor Bowse, you know,
out of a playoff of and then you'd mentioned Rebecca Roth. They see the
one that has all the deception books like Methodical Inception, Methodical Illusion. Yes,
okay, yeah, so in a nutshell Rebecca Raw. I'll leave this
to less than sixty seconds here. Rebecca Roth was an airline stewardess for about
thirty years when she retired around two thousand and five two thousand and six.
After nine to eleven, she started to write a romance novel and she began
searching the internet. Once she searched the Internet, she happened to come across
the fact that that at least six of the nineteen hijackers were live well in
Saudi Arabia, and Saudi Arabia was privately suing America to shut their mouth at
those six hydras. So if the hijackers are still alive, then they didn't
die in any of the crashes. And that led her down the pathway to
writing these novels, as she calls them. But you can google her YouTube
videos and she has podcasts. Kind of a YouTube podcast, I think,
is what I because I don't think you see her face or anything. You
just hear people interviewing her and she talks about all these but I yeah,
I was a part of the beginning of my journey well before flatter Well.
So yeah, we're we're definitely going to have a part two to follow up
on this. I'll talk hey as soon as we're done recording, because I
still have so much to talk to you in your notes. I think only
got through about a third of it, but I'm on a time crunch.
Yeah, But and we've I think this is good because that hour and twenty
minutes was a lot to digest and some people probably going to go back and
listen to it two or three times to see how it resonates with them,
and they're going to do some research on some of the words, and that'll
give them time to ponder. So I go ahead. I think that would
be good because we're gon we're going to actually know, I'm sure we're going
to get questions or you're going to get emails or I'm going to get emails,
and then say, well, well didn't Jesus talk about a sixth day
creation? And you know he talks about in the beginning, you know,
God made that mail, And so we can go down those we can go
down those supposed objections and and I'll just tick them off one by one,
because I don't think that was Jesus was saying at all. Sure, well
it's it's been a fascinating eighty minutes. And again, there's so much more
I want to talk to you about, not just as far as that,
but you had mentioned a lot of things that resonate with me that we'll get
to on the next one. But I do. By the way, my
dad went to the Philadelphia Bible College, which I think it's now it's called
like the Cairn c A I r Nron. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
he went back. He went there in the eighties. What year I'd have
to ask my mom because I just remember I was still in high school.
I want to say eighty five. I think he only went for a year.
He didn't do a okay, but I graduated here eighty four. Oh
okay, when it was in Langmore. I'll have to ask the same name
as me, George Jobs. I'll ask her. She comes back from Florida,
she's I can even look it up yearbooks too, you know. Interesting.
Yeah, yeah, he traveled up there, did it in person?
That you know? Now everybody takes college online. I know, I know
drive up to Philly twice a week. I want to give you the final
word, to address the listeners, and then we'll wrap it up. Yeah,
here's the here's the final word. And this is this is a little
bit of an exaggeration. But so I don't want people are writing emails and
say, well, he can do this, he can do that, he
can do this. The only thing that God can't do is worshiped himself.
That's our job. So flat Earth or not, Christmas has gotten it's our
job to worship. Like I said, people will write and say, well,
you know, he can't lift the rock. It's too big, you
know, you know, yea the holstic. That's not what I'm trying to
say. That's not what I'm trying to say. The only thing that God
can't do is worship himself. That's our job, right then in your body
that that's our job. Quotes, that's that's the bottom. When it's all
said, done a proportion Hebrew or not our jobs of worship. Amen,
well said, Well said, and thank you for your time, and we'll
talk off line here to get Part two scheduled. It's a lot again,
You've come from a very interesting direction that I haven't really heard said before.
So everybody will take it in and I'm sure you'll get lots of emails as
well as I will, and we'll address them in part two. So again,
thank you very much from your time, and enjoy the nice warm winter
in Colorado Springs. And God bless your brother for all your work. And
thank you to our listeners for your continued support. And everybody, keep your
head on a swivel, your eyes open, and your hands together, and
say your prayers and help your fellow brothers. And until the next time we
meet, we will see. I know it's been a struggle. I don't
know you've had Spain Fee the time. Tell don't bout all the way?
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saw way go from you feel like you've lost your way. Don't give up.
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any comes, Oh, the God of needs? Why God of you're listening
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