WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:03.879 Hello there, everyone, and welcome back to the disc Connected. You are 2 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:08.359 about to see me do an interview with the wonderful Cat Ollinger. If you've 3 00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:11.480 been watching this channel for quite some time, you have probably heard me say 4 00:00:11.480 --> 00:00:15.839 her name a countless infinite number of times. Cat has been a part of 5 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:21.239 many, many wonderful boutique releases throughout the years from companies like Vinegar Syndrome, 6 00:00:21.399 --> 00:00:25.879 Severn Films, Aero Video, and many more. On top of that, 7 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:29.719 she's been announced as being a part of the boutique label that is about to 8 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:34.399 be launched officially in the next thirty days or so from Franz Simioni who used 9 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:38.799 to be at Aero Video. 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I've got more interviews like this coming out all the 19 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:12.359 time, and I'm looking to make this community stronger than ever before, so 20 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:15.040 I would love to have you be a part of it. Without further ado, 21 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:45.200 after the intro, here is myself and kat Elancher, Kat, how 22 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:48.640 are you tonight? Hello? Thank you for having me. Thank you. 23 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:55.959 I had the wonderful honor of previewing the ridiculously great documentary that you just finished 24 00:01:56.040 --> 00:02:00.400 and premiered at FrightFest Orchestrator of Stores. You've done a lot behind that. 25 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:04.719 What were all of your roles? Oh my god, I was like the 26 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:13.719 writer, producer, co director, just thing on it. Basically, I've 27 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:16.680 worked with Deema, my sort of collaborative partner for years, and we've made 28 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:23.199 quite a few films together, but this was my first co director credit on 29 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:27.680 that. Yeah. I'm glad you liked it, though, because I didn't 30 00:02:27.719 --> 00:02:32.360 know this is I genuinely documentaries are one of my favorite things because I really 31 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:38.680 like diving into a niche that either I tangentially sort of understand or I know 32 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:40.680 nothing about and now I just want to be absorbed and everything about it. 33 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:46.400 And usually if it's successful, I just want to immerse myself in it. 34 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:51.280 And after watching this, it was just feed everything that he has ever completed 35 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:55.199 directly that is so good. That was why we did it. One of 36 00:02:55.240 --> 00:03:01.560 the reasons why his his work is a been like widely out there to everybody 37 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:06.879 in a way that is like pervasive. Do you have any sense on why 38 00:03:06.919 --> 00:03:09.599 that would be? Perhaps, well, I don't know. I mean, 39 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:14.280 we tried to cover some of it in the film and sort of highlight that 40 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:17.199 before the nineties, it was really impossible to see this stuff. I mean, 41 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:23.159 some people managed to see it. I know Pete Tooms did some screenings 42 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:27.159 in the late eighties, and you know, obviously there were small French the 43 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:31.039 actrical releases of some of his films, but by and large it was just 44 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:36.919 ignored. And I guess because it wasn't that marketable. It wasn't like straight 45 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:40.759 on horror. Some of his porn stuff came out as pawn but again it's 46 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:46.039 like this weird mix, and so it really was then. And Quino actually 47 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:51.080 did blu rays of his stuff probably about ten years ago, but even those 48 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:57.280 have been kind of ignored, like nobody was. I remember when they bought 49 00:03:57.319 --> 00:04:00.280 them out, they did the Jess Branco stuff and they did the people because 50 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:03.919 stuff all through Redemption, like Heino Redemption. Obviously it's Nigel Wingrove again. 51 00:04:05.159 --> 00:04:09.439 And we had some releases here in the UK. I'm trying to think what 52 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:14.000 label it was. One of the small ones like screen band maybe, but 53 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:18.040 again, like I don't know, it's just totally got overlooked. It's odd 54 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:21.000 because obviously, like you go over in the documentary, it's kind of a 55 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:25.839 weird mix of genres for some people, so I think that that may be 56 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:28.199 a part of it. But yeah, in the US, the maybe the 57 00:04:28.279 --> 00:04:31.800 Redemption branding was just different for people. But I know I was excited to 58 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:35.399 see Nigel in the documentary and speaking. Yeah he was great. Yeah, 59 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:41.240 he was great. And you know, the documentary video a lot of it 60 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:45.199 to him because it started off as as a much smaller product. And then 61 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:48.399 I started talking to him about Rollin and we had loads of phone conversations and 62 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:53.439 he told me all this wonderful stuff about him and it was like, we 63 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:56.680 have to get this in the film and put me in touch with Rolands and 64 00:04:56.759 --> 00:05:00.519 surgery who's not in the film, but was also very helpful behind them scenes, 65 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:06.319 and he put us in touch with a very unique Roland's long term friend 66 00:05:06.439 --> 00:05:11.240 and she was great and you know the stories that she had, So it 67 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:15.360 kind of went from there, and Nigel was just wonderful. He just wanted 68 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:19.680 to the film to be made because obviously he's champion Rolland for decades, and 69 00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:24.240 there was a big risk put in those films out when he did, because 70 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:28.360 they were virtually unheard of. And I know he told me Pete Teams had 71 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:31.079 a lot to do with that also, But you know, Pete was great 72 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:35.040 behind the scenes but didn't want to come on camera and his teacher, I 73 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:38.439 love Pete. He was like, I don't want to go on camera, 74 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:43.120 but he was great behind the scenes. So we had so much support, 75 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:46.759 Like even though it was like co director, it really was like a kind 76 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:51.480 of team effort of everybody working on it. Levet Rollin, so I had 77 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:59.759 a great energy about it. The energy was palpable to a point where you 78 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:04.439 know, it's chronological documentary for the most part, and the winding thread through 79 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:10.600 the whole thing is this life that he's lived that's been super interesting and as 80 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:13.680 you got his friend that you just mentioned. And I don't want to spoil 81 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:16.079 it because I really want people to go see this, but the it was 82 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:20.920 this emotional climax and near the end of it that I was just gutted right 83 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:25.480 alongside it, just to feel that, you know, the memories of this 84 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:29.480 person and the pervasive imagery that he's given to the world, you can just 85 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:32.519 feel how much it's affected these people. Yeah, not a bad word, 86 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:36.399 and nobody had a bad wood to say about him, nobody, you know, 87 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:41.879 they all loved him. And I was very clear from the stock becas 88 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:46.720 obviously I've championed, championed Rollin a lot in my own writing career, but 89 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:51.360 I really wanted to ever have very super specific experts like we have Madeline to 90 00:06:51.480 --> 00:07:00.839 talk about things like anti clerical porn and the fantasy Ekla Paris and and decadence 91 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:03.040 stuff because she's just so good on that, but also a massive fan of 92 00:07:03.199 --> 00:07:10.040 Rollin and Virginie as well, who is also like and a total expert on 93 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:15.360 the French fantastic and everybody else had to be somebody who either knew Rollin or 94 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:19.879 met Rollan. You know, we didn't. We didn't want to just do 95 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:25.160 like a kind of analysis of his films. We wanted people that knew him 96 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:29.240 in there that he could sort of tell us personal things about him, because 97 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:34.839 he's a difficult man to know. We spent ments translating his autobiography from French, 98 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:43.680 photographing every page and running them through Google Translate. And he says very 99 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:47.000 little about his family. It's all about his films. Even his mothery we 100 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:50.199 adored. There's like a little bit about his mother, but again it's all 101 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:57.959 about the films. And so getting anything about him was so difficult because all 102 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:01.399 he ever talked about was my film, my life in films. But yeah, 103 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:03.800 he was married, he had children, his brother worked with him in 104 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:07.079 films. The surge was helped him with some of his films, but he 105 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:11.360 kind of I don't know, he was just like that. He just didn't 106 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:15.439 like to talk about himself. It was all to do with the film. 107 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:18.879 So it was important that we had people that had actually known him, yeah, 108 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:22.639 to tell us something about that. We did get some archive interviews with 109 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:26.800 him, but again they were just very straightforward talking and thought, this isn't 110 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:33.799 really telling as much. I was excited to see all of the pictures that 111 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:37.879 were shown in the background. As you know, there was a voiceover. 112 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:43.679 Frequently with documentaries like this, it's more of a retrospective with talking heads and 113 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:50.039 this personal aspect that genuinely came across. And I checked to make sure that 114 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:52.559 reviews were out there from Fight Fast about this and all that before I posted 115 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:56.159 mine online. But it was nice to be able to post this review and 116 00:08:56.240 --> 00:09:01.200 immediately, not even kidding, within about three minutes, had already somebody messaging 117 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:03.360 me, where can I watch this right now? That's good? That is 118 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:09.480 good. There are people dying to see this. I doubt that there will 119 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:15.120 be anything but triumphant praise because this is a remarkable, remarkable film. We 120 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:18.360 had hell getting the photos as well, because that was a whole other thing, 121 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:22.960 but with his family were really helpful. Kayla Janice was incredible and she 122 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:28.120 was one of our assistant producers and she was able to get a lot of 123 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:31.720 stuff that she had in an archive. But even just getting photos like you 124 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:35.360 can't just look online and find of course, oh, so you know, 125 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:39.240 we had people digging them up from here, there and everywhere. We did 126 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:41.840 have some people say, oh, it's kind of conventional, but it was 127 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:46.200 the only way we could do it because, like Rollin, we had a 128 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:54.240 tiny budget. Yeah, it's the irony that people are kind of like, 129 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:58.159 wow, it's kind of conventional, and it's like wow, you know, 130 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:01.879 if I'd been given a bag of many, I would have had women dancing 131 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:09.039 around and right, French poetry. But also we didn't really want to detract 132 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:13.799 from rolland so I think Roland's work speaks for itself, right. And yeah, 133 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:18.360 with the conventional aspect, it's not like there's many of these documentaries about 134 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:22.120 Rolan out there. So yeah, there is a French one. Actually there's 135 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:24.960 a French one with a lot of interviews with him in it, and that's 136 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:30.320 kind of good, but again it's just very it's more like an extended interview, 137 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:33.440 right. So we looked at that and thought, well, no, 138 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:35.639 we want to do something a little bit different. We want to also bring 139 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:41.720 context in and stuff, and so it is a little bit different to that 140 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:46.480 one. But in English language nothing there's like been nothing exactly. So a 141 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:50.039 conventional aspect kind of makes sense because for a lot of people, this will 142 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:54.320 be the intro to Roland, and this will be the inspiration to dive in 143 00:10:54.399 --> 00:10:58.879 headfirst and forgive the pun, but you know, find the fascination in his 144 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:05.159 so fascinations was one of my working titles, and everyone was like, you 145 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:15.600 get to just stop. It was something like the nude Vampire and other fascinations 146 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:22.639 and that's actually pretty yeah. Come up with orchestrated storms, which is a 147 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:26.360 thing that he said, so yeah, that was a bit more abstract where 148 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:31.480 his mine was like right right, hitting the head on the or hitting the 149 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:33.879 nail on the head. I get that this played very well. I watched 150 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:37.559 this last night with my mom and my wife, and both of them had 151 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:41.759 never seen any of his films, So for me with the background and for 152 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:45.840 them without the background, it worked gangbusters for everybody. And do they want 153 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:50.840 to watch them now? They interesting? Immediately my wife was literally like, 154 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:54.759 I like vampire films. How can you even show me any of these? 155 00:11:54.919 --> 00:12:01.240 You haven't seen too many things. I'm trying to show you everything. It 156 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:05.639 was a great time though, Like I said, that conventional aspect makes sense 157 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:09.519 because this will be the intro for most people. So for me, I've 158 00:12:09.559 --> 00:12:11.399 got my personal things that I tell people if they're looking for him what to 159 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:16.360 watch first? What do you usually throw out there as after this documentary? 160 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:20.480 What would you say usually I'd say fascination in The Living Dead Girl, which 161 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:24.879 are is slightly later of films. I think Grapes of Death is a kind 162 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:28.000 of fan favorite as well. It's like a very weird take on a zombie 163 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:35.000 film. But The Living Dead Girls especially plays out more like a conventional horror, 164 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:37.799 even though it isn't really conventional horror, but it was the early eighties 165 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:43.320 he was having to try and be more conventional. It's also a masterpiece, 166 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:46.440 and it's also one hundred percent rollin, but I think that's probably the best 167 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:52.320 way in, and then work your way back to things like Rape of the 168 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:58.159 Vampire, which is one of his most difficult films. That's about online exactly 169 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:01.240 the way I usually say. And for those in the US, the Redemption 170 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:05.840 Films line that put them out. They again, I think they're about a 171 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:09.039 decade old now, but yeah, they're probably about a decade, don't They 172 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:11.559 were one of the reasons I actually bought a multi region player them and The 173 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:16.279 Pete Walkers because we didn't have them that we only had the vhs then. 174 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:20.960 Surprisingly, though, even though I think they're his stuff, started around twenty 175 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:24.919 twelve with that line, and they look fantastic. They do they're really nice 176 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:28.919 transwer Yeah, they are really nice transwers. That was one of the first 177 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:31.120 sort of blu rays that I got, and I thought, oh, this 178 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:35.799 actually looks really good. I was surprised, especially with the name that hasn't 179 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:39.080 been pervasive with a lot of people like REGI. Yeah, it's strange. 180 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:45.519 They never seem to be big sells for for Kino, and they're they're part 181 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:48.320 of every sale and I don't get it. I think that they should be 182 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:52.360 doing very well. They should be buying them all. And they're quite cheap 183 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:56.360 as well. There's no exc they're kind of bare bones, but you know, 184 00:13:56.559 --> 00:14:00.960 they're good for the films. I can't the math little. Yeah, 185 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:03.759 some of the have little interviews with rollin on I think. I don't know 186 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:07.440 if they all do, but yeah, especially some of the later ones, 187 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:11.840 because a lot of the earlier ones there was not a lot saved. I 188 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:16.200 mean for a person that was born in nineteen thirty eight, again, getting 189 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:18.720 those photos must have been extremely difficult. Yeah, and some of them had 190 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:22.080 to be restored. I mean, it was a whole thing. But we 191 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:26.919 really wanted to show that side of him, right, which was amazing, 192 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:31.919 and so we're indebted to everyone who was just so generous and you know us 193 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:39.320 pleading give us more, please, so many photos for like nearly two hour 194 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:43.200 film. I'm telling you well, especially the style that you went, the 195 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:48.240 stuff in the background with some of that voiceover, it was the perfect backdrop 196 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:52.320 to see the contextual side of his life because it's not an easy story to 197 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:54.720 tell with everything that he went through. Yeah, we decided to go with 198 00:14:54.799 --> 00:15:01.879 bits from his autobiography which are a bit more personal, which he never actually 199 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:05.159 said out loud in interviews, which is interesting. So we thought, well, 200 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:09.399 we'll get an actor to say this, and getting the right actor was 201 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:13.039 was you know, we just had to find someone who was right for that, 202 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:20.159 and we had Avianna to do the other narration and she actually Avianna Snow 203 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:22.799 she actually looks like a Roland girl, though you don't see her in the 204 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:28.200 film, but she went to fright Fest and was having photos she's an actress, 205 00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:33.399 obviously saving photos taken outside the premiere. And then when there's a guy 206 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:35.960 I think doing a double take. It's almost as if one of the girls 207 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:39.799 from the field wanted up. And she's got a sort of floaty dress on 208 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:45.519 which she's amazing did you get to attend the premiere as well. Unfortunately, 209 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:50.799 no, because my son's college induction. Yeah, the mundane world of being 210 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:56.080 a parent, unfortunately, But it was We had Bridget le Hay there and 211 00:15:56.919 --> 00:16:00.039 Virginally did a wonderful Q and A. So hopefully going to get some footage 212 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:03.679 from that because it was recorded, and yeah, it was. It was 213 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:07.480 one of them things. Nice to see Brigitte getting a lot of attention the 214 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:11.200 last year and a half or so with big, fancy releases of some of 215 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:17.279 her films. Yes, it's about time. She's wonderful and she was so 216 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:18.879 great as well. It took us a while to track her down. It 217 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:25.159 was just before she kind of resurfaced for the book, and it took us 218 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:26.799 a while to track her down, and we had to go through one of 219 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:30.639 our producers, Jonathan'surin. He's also our DP for a lot of the interviews. 220 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:33.879 He's he's based in the UK, but he's French, so he was 221 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:38.799 going through French journalists to fight because none of us speak French and she doesn't 222 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:42.759 speak very good English. So that we finally chatted her down, I was 223 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:47.679 like, we need to do this with Brigitte if we can, and She 224 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:51.519 was great. She was absolutely wonderful. She was like, yeah, any 225 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:55.519 excuse to talk about John. She loved him so much they all did. 226 00:16:56.279 --> 00:17:00.320 She looked genuinely beaming happy the entire time. So yes, she looks incredible 227 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:08.519 as well. It's like she's Asia exactly. How was the reception that you've 228 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:12.559 heard from the premiere? It did really well. I think it also premiered 229 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:17.799 at Fantasia, and so it did really well there because obviously Fantasia and Mitch 230 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:23.880 Davis and Kayla Deanie, you know, they were bringing Rollan over sort of 231 00:17:23.960 --> 00:17:27.839 decades ago, and Kayla's actually in the film talking about that how she accidentally 232 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:33.480 invited him to a film festival, which is great, and and Mitch has 233 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:37.799 always been a massive support of Rollane as well, so they actually gave him 234 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:44.240 a lifetime Achievement world there in twenty eleven. So it was lovely to have 235 00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:48.960 it like have its first premiere at Fantasia because it kind of felt like Rolande's 236 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:53.680 spiritual home, but the London one because right fast, you do have like 237 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:56.960 quite a lot of old guard that go to that. He met Rollane in 238 00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:00.319 the nineties at what they call the euro and they brought him over in the 239 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:06.000 mid nineties with Brigitte, I think, and so a lot of those people 240 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:10.400 who'd met Bridgite then went to see the film, which was nice and got 241 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:15.200 to meet her again. Awesome. So there's like a special love in London 242 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:19.599 and the London Films theme for Rollin. That's great, so good to hear, 243 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:23.200 and that's the entire time. It felt sort of like a return to 244 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:29.680 home, kind of like very warm belly, like I feel like I'm growing 245 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:38.279 up again feeling while watching and it was just nice, absolutely great speaking of 246 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:42.640 euro so that there is so much else that you've done other than Roland obviously, 247 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:48.079 and I try to get prepared. So I've got a couple of things 248 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:53.799 here. First off, so many people don't even know that you did Yeah, 249 00:18:53.920 --> 00:19:00.799 my Sergio Martino. But that was for Arrow back. Now, how 250 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:06.319 did that come about originally? Because that was Yeah, Arrow just started this 251 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:08.440 book line, which I think they might have abandoned now. They did like 252 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:12.640 a few of them. Tom Mes did a really good one on Maker Cargi, 253 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:17.720 they had the Hitcher, there was a few, and so they just 254 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:21.000 put out a call out to contributors. You know, if you have a 255 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:26.920 book pitch, send us a pitch, so I did and send it to 256 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:33.720 Francesco Simeoni, who was also my producer on the Rollland thing so and now 257 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:37.920 my boss at Radiance Films. So I do o frown a lot, and 258 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:44.880 he liked the pitch. I'd always wanted to do either Sudio or Lensy. 259 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:48.680 It's a very more book project, though the idea was they fit next to 260 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:55.519 a blue ray. So it ended up quite a challenge because when I started 261 00:19:55.519 --> 00:19:59.200 writing it and then decided I also want to cover his comedies because I love 262 00:19:59.279 --> 00:20:02.759 them. Then also I had the hell, am I going to fit since 263 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:07.240 exactly spect they've given me? But it was fun, It was really fun. 264 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:12.119 I'd like to expand me something expanded at some point though, that is 265 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:15.319 the perfect way. I was literally about to say it's a great read. 266 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:19.119 I just same with the documentary. I just wanted more. Immediately. You 267 00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:22.759 could tell it's somebody that had that passion behind it, and they were just 268 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:26.160 itching to say more. Yeah, I just yeah. It was It was 269 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:30.759 kind of limited, but I wanted to show and I love his shallow films, 270 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:34.119 but I wanted to show he wasn't just Jallo and a third of the 271 00:20:34.119 --> 00:20:37.960 films he made with comedies, and he had this really long career and did 272 00:20:38.119 --> 00:20:44.200 TV and you know, and since then I've had lots and lots of chances 273 00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:48.359 to talk about him as well, So that that is cool speaking of And 274 00:20:49.039 --> 00:20:53.599 you're also on this disc for So Sweet, So Perversal, I one of 275 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:57.799 my favorite projects I've ever done, because all my love for LENDSI that was 276 00:20:57.839 --> 00:21:07.880 the book I didn't write in that track you can tell. And I don't 277 00:21:07.880 --> 00:21:10.279 think this was the first one, but it's one of the first ones that 278 00:21:10.319 --> 00:21:11.640 I really went, you know what. I listened to a lot of my 279 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:18.839 extras, but Cat is special and that commentary is what kind of cemented it 280 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:21.960 for me. And I do I know this doesn't matter a whole lot, 281 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:25.599 but I do a live show every Thursday where I talk about the boutique announcements 282 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:27.960 that are coming out and when I go over special features. You are one 283 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:32.440 of very few people that when I see the name, I tell everybody that 284 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:36.599 even if the film is trash, this is worth buying just for this person. 285 00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:40.319 That is going to be explained. Yeah, I did cover some trash, 286 00:21:40.359 --> 00:21:44.440 but it's always trash that I love. And yeah, some people take 287 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:47.400 offense at that they think I should be more critical with So I'm not going 288 00:21:47.440 --> 00:21:52.160 to waste my time doing something that I don't like, you know, I'm 289 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:55.920 there to, you know, work on things that I love really, but 290 00:21:56.119 --> 00:22:00.599 the getting to do the Lenzi sat was just brilliant. I remember when David 291 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:04.039 Gregory emailed me to say they were doing a LENSI Carol, because I was 292 00:22:04.039 --> 00:22:07.279 like, you are you are? Can I swear? I was like all 293 00:22:07.359 --> 00:22:12.200 right, yeah, he'll fucking jokeing. I was just like, oh my 294 00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:18.000 god. But David Gregory tends to do that a lot with stuff, you 295 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:19.920 know, because sovereign perhaps some insane stuff. You'll be like, oh, 296 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:25.359 yeah, we're doing this like Massive Christopher in Europe Box It's just like what 297 00:22:27.559 --> 00:22:32.799 we Oh my god, that Milligan set. I don't buy that many disks 298 00:22:32.839 --> 00:22:37.119 because I can never afford them, but that's one of the only things I've 299 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:41.119 ever pre ordered. And I was sweating through it, suddenly thinking why am 300 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:47.279 I panicking that everyone's suddenly gonna buy Andy Milligan, Like no one gives a 301 00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:49.640 ship about Andy Milligan. And then and then it did. It sold out, 302 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:52.720 so I was like, I was like triumphant. I thought I get 303 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:59.759 it. Now I get this whole like if people keep up at midnight. 304 00:23:00.680 --> 00:23:03.799 It's very very true. I speaking of the trash films that we all tend 305 00:23:03.880 --> 00:23:07.880 to love. When we're you know, discussing stuff like this. One of 306 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:11.160 the things I tend to say on this channel a lot is that every single 307 00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:15.599 film has been somebody's favorite film. So, with all the work that you've 308 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:19.200 done, is there any film that you find especially hard to recommend to people 309 00:23:19.240 --> 00:23:26.960 even though you truly love it? No? No, I mean all the 310 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:32.559 work that I've done, I take on largely to champion it. Yeah, 311 00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:36.000 and I think, you know, say I did something that I didn't think 312 00:23:36.279 --> 00:23:38.440 was that amazing. I can't think of anything, but no, it's normally 313 00:23:40.519 --> 00:23:44.799 I do have ADHD, so I have to be like hyper focused and interested 314 00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:48.799 on something to engage with it. But you're right, it's like every film 315 00:23:48.799 --> 00:23:52.799 as a fan, And so I would never go on a commentary and be 316 00:23:52.039 --> 00:23:56.960 remotely critical exactly, you know, because I'm not doing a commentary for some 317 00:23:56.200 --> 00:24:00.119 reviewer who've got a check disc. I'm doing it for the that spent twenty 318 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:04.359 dollars thirty dollars on the disc, and the last thing they want is somebody 319 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:10.559 pointing out flaws, you know, like that is part of film criticism, 320 00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:15.200 but I don't think it should be part of extras. You know, it's 321 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:19.640 just an insult. So no, I'd recommend everything I've ever worked on one 322 00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:23.119 hundred percent, like you have to get it all because it's all amazing. 323 00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:27.160 And a lot of the stuff that I've done, it's been stuff that just 324 00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:33.960 wasn't available before, or on very bad quality copies and things like that, 325 00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:40.599 or just these terrible, awful ratio DVDs, or you could only see it 326 00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:44.960 on bootlegs. So I do. I have done some more mainstream stuff, 327 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:48.599 but generally it tends to be that That's what really excites me, the fact 328 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:52.200 that somebody's actually bothered to think, you know, I'm going to release this 329 00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:57.119 film, you know that maybe twenty five people care about, and then sitting 330 00:24:57.240 --> 00:25:03.279 people discover it that it is the best part. Because I think one of 331 00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:07.200 them was American Richual, the Sergio Martino film, which I bloody love, 332 00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:10.519 and when Jesse told me they were doing it, I was like, you 333 00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:14.799 just you can't be serious. This is like the only way I could see 334 00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:18.440 that before because I missed it in the eighties, was there was a bootleg 335 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:22.319 that went around and it had and it was even on Amazon Prime. At 336 00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:26.039 one point. I saw it on Prime and I was like, oh my 337 00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:27.519 god, they've restored it. And I put it on. It was the 338 00:25:27.559 --> 00:25:33.880 same and it had like the tracking thing come a pathway through the I was 339 00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:37.720 like, why is this pe put on Amazon? This is bizarre? And 340 00:25:38.559 --> 00:25:41.720 I loved that film, so when he said they were doing it, I 341 00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:47.079 was like, Oh my god, this is so good. And then it 342 00:25:47.119 --> 00:25:52.319 came out and I'm just seeing how everybody loved that film too. That was 343 00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:56.319 just the best thing ever. I was like, where is this Bee? 344 00:25:57.440 --> 00:26:02.279 I feel like lately you you are genuinely hitting a lot of those titles that 345 00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:06.079 haven't been out for a long time. One of the most recent ones is 346 00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:11.480 this horror disc from Oh my God. Yeah, so good. I love 347 00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:14.759 seeing some of these films come out, and again, just seeing your name, 348 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:19.039 I'm telling you everybody by this now you absolutely have to You're branching out 349 00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:23.519 to all these new and different boutiques. How are you feeling about the state 350 00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:27.279 of the Union for boutique physical media ry. I think it's the best it's 351 00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:32.519 ever been. I mean, this is my full time job basically, and 352 00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:34.119 it's just me and my kids. You know, it's just you know, 353 00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:40.920 but I managed to support myself that way full time because I'm you know, 354 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:44.680 my kids at home. He's been homeschooled, so you know, that's given 355 00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:48.519 me the chance to also be at home with my kids. And you know, 356 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:52.799 the way it is at the moment, I just think we're really in 357 00:26:52.880 --> 00:27:00.920 some sort of renaissance period. For it's almost like when I don't know VHS 358 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:03.599 first came out and suddenly you could just get things and take them home. 359 00:27:04.279 --> 00:27:10.359 It's that same sort of excitement because there's all sorts of like bizarre check films 360 00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:14.599 that have just been available on fans, of bootlegs and all, like, 361 00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:18.440 I think companies are really sort of going out of there. You know. 362 00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:22.200 It was great when Blu Ray first came along and we just had all the 363 00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:23.680 like classics and that was good. It was like, oh, this is 364 00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:27.160 exciting, it looks good. But as it's gone along, it's got more 365 00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:33.680 and more esoteric, and you see companies taking a lot more risks and obviously 366 00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:36.920 saving are one of the biggest of those because some of the you know, 367 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:45.799 quin que box sets and mostly it's done pretty decent for them, so congress 368 00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:48.759 to them. Yeah, and I think I think we're at a time now 369 00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:52.079 where film fans are more open to wanting to discover. And that goes back 370 00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:57.240 to Rollin you said why not before. I think before people tended to be 371 00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:03.119 slightly more narrow mine, whereas you find now, especially within the whole collective 372 00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:07.400 community, people are more open to just buying other staff and oh, I 373 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:11.079 don't know this direct or, great, I can do like a whole retrospective 374 00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:15.680 on him. So you're seeing a lot more a lot more of that, 375 00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:18.519 probably within the last five or six years. So it's like really taking I 376 00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:22.079 keep hearing people go, oh, the bottom's about to fall out, but 377 00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:26.359 it doesn't look like that to me. Put it that way at all. 378 00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:30.400 I mean, there's still literally thousands of films that can be released. I 379 00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:33.599 guess at this point many one of the main questions is elements. Do we 380 00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:37.160 have proper film to be able to scale? Yeah, that's always an issue. 381 00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:41.960 That is always an issue. And you know, there's certain projects I've 382 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:45.440 worked on behind the scenes that have fallen through because of elements and things like 383 00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:48.160 that, and that's always getting but you can always you know, LaaS when 384 00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:53.119 they found Symptoms that I never thought anyone would find that. It showed on 385 00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:57.480 British TV here in the early eighties, and again somebody managed to record that 386 00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:03.480 and then transfer it to like a you know, I don't know, some 387 00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:07.160 sort of m K four file on it, and then it was on YouTube. 388 00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:11.119 Someone even tried to killor correct it on YouTube at one point. But 389 00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:15.039 the but, the but this is like just this a great thing. But 390 00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:18.599 the story was the elements are gone, We're never going to see this. 391 00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:23.079 And then all of a sudden BFI come out with hey, we've restored Symptoms, 392 00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:27.640 and then all the other LRAs films they started finding them, and it's 393 00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:34.359 like this is so never say never. Somebody somewhere might have a serviceable copy 394 00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:40.519 somewhere in some vault or something that will turn up. So you know, 395 00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:44.400 I know, Ali Carter is one of my most wanted and they're always saying 396 00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:48.240 they can't find the elements for that. I just booked a Jared from Mondo 397 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:51.200 Macabreau earlier this year, and that was one of the biggest things that we 398 00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:52.160 were like, I mean, what do we have to do. We have 399 00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:56.759 to fund a trip to Mexico to look through something we got to get it. 400 00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:02.079 But I am sort of that on stuff that I know is being released 401 00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:06.160 as well that people never thought would be released, and it's hard not being 402 00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:12.559 able to say it, but then just waiting for people's shock. That's awesome. 403 00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:15.319 Yeah, I'm sure that that moment has happened a lot over the last 404 00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:19.640 few years because some of these I mean even like Hitcher from Second Site being 405 00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:23.519 able to be found when everybody thought that was just yeah, ancient history basically, 406 00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:26.720 I do, but producing for Second Site now, so I'm on the 407 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:30.599 other side of it. I'm more on the curation side, and I've been 408 00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:37.039 doing that for I'm working with Severin on something obviously at Radiance. I just 409 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:40.640 did a project for Arrow, which means I get to bask in other people's 410 00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:45.519 shine. But yeah, the stuff that goes on behind the scenes to really 411 00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:52.640 get this stuff together is it takes a lot of commitment and from the people 412 00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:56.680 behind it a mondo. You know, it's only Pete and Jared and the 413 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:03.440 stuff they go through to restore things, and that is incredible. So there's 414 00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:06.680 a lot of passionate people out there that will keep this going, I think 415 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:11.240 well, and with cult films in general, there's always been some sort of 416 00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:17.920 unfortunate like disrespect, and I'm curious, just with your historical context, if 417 00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:22.440 you think that that has led to either helping it in you know, possibly 418 00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:25.960 the outrage bringing it to more eyes, or do you think it's hindered it 419 00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:30.680 in terms of like lost elements or people not getting chances to be as creative 420 00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:33.920 as they need to be. I don't know, because some of the most 421 00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:38.039 creative stuff, like Roland's was made under the most difficult circumstances, and that 422 00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:44.279 was definitely something we wanted to show in the film, because you know, 423 00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:48.200 his budgets were so low and he was so compromised a lot of the time 424 00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:52.039 that it forced him to be even more creative. And you know, even 425 00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:56.319 though it was a strike, like a huge struggle for him. So I 426 00:31:56.359 --> 00:32:00.319 don't know if it's necessarily hindered it. There'll always be that kind of poo 427 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:04.279 poo in it, the cult thing, and I think nowadays, you know, 428 00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:07.599 it just makes people more emboldened to say, you know, I'm going 429 00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:13.559 to defend this, because it's like the underdog. You do still find the 430 00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:16.720 odd person. They all remember the broth tracks that came out, and there 431 00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:21.039 were a few people they got to the Beast and then they were like, 432 00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:29.119 oh my god, Oh that is a gorgeous set too. I was glad 433 00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:31.359 when that came out. And it seems like overall, I think Cult Epics 434 00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:35.240 or somebody in the US started putting some of those out as well. So 435 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:38.759 yeah, I know Jeremy Richie's been working very closely with them and did his 436 00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:45.200 Sylvia Crystal. But yeah, I saw that they're doing some stuff. I 437 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:49.559 don't really get Cult Epics over here. They're quite expensive to import, so 438 00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:52.200 I don't. I don't think I have any of their discs, but they're 439 00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:58.000 doing some interesting stuff. Yeah. They put out a Angst, which one 440 00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:00.960 of the best films that it's just brutal. Oh the German one. Yeah, 441 00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:07.839 oh my god, I fucking love that film. Uh yeah, Ans 442 00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:10.599 is big with them, and then they did Gosh, they've done a handful, 443 00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:15.000 like they really hyper focus on certain things like Sylvia Cristell. They've done, 444 00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:19.559 oh gosh, a lot. But yeah, Cold they do really good 445 00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:25.799 work overall. Yeah. Yeah, see there's I just I just wonder where 446 00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:30.519 it's all going, because it's like you said, there's still thousands of other 447 00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:35.400 things that are yet to be released. And as we get into weirder and 448 00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:40.279 weirder territory, you know, it's like the sky's the limit. But then 449 00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:45.079 you have companies like to go back to second Sight, you are a small 450 00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:51.920 company behind the scenes, they put so much dedication into the restorations, like 451 00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:55.720 Martin for example, and it might mean that we have to wait a little 452 00:33:55.759 --> 00:34:00.319 bit longer for them. And I know Martin's been put back quite a few 453 00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:04.480 times and they've made announcements, but they really want to get it right, 454 00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:09.280 they really really They even tried to license that legendary what was it, three 455 00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:17.440 hour or four hour directed cut crazy Yeah, which you know they couldn't unfortunately, 456 00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:21.719 But I love Martin, but I'm not sure i'd want to sit through 457 00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:25.199 that. Yeah, Martin's good. I'm really excited for people to see it 458 00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:29.280 because, especially in the US, it's been a little difficult to see for 459 00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:32.239 a long time with even here. Yeah, and and and just adding a 460 00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:36.440 decent copy of it that that was another one where they thought the elements just 461 00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:40.480 weren't there. It added DVD and it was it was always on my sort 462 00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:46.320 of you know, hassle companies about list. And then a second site got 463 00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:52.159 hold of it. I did a commentary on that one which cited about and 464 00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:58.000 yeah, it's just there. Their restoration is beautiful. They're doing some really 465 00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:01.840 beautiful stuff. Yeah, I mean their releases are astonishing. It doesn't get 466 00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:06.440 any better than you know, a full hardcover, one hundred and fifty page 467 00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:14.880 book and soundtrack and yeah, all brand new special features. It's incredible In 468 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:19.920 terms of the hobby overall, I would be remiss to not bring up the 469 00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:23.199 fact that I'm just a cisheit white guy standing here giving my opinions, and 470 00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:29.239 that's kind of pointless in the grand sea of things. So in your mind, 471 00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:32.440 there's a lot more diversity coming. It feels like to me, at 472 00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:36.480 least some people are getting opportunities that they never got before. How do you 473 00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:39.360 think about that? I think it's great, and it's one of the reasons 474 00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:45.920 why I wanted to move into production, because, you know, I've always 475 00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:50.000 been quite outspoken about this, but when I first started doing commentries, with 476 00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:55.280 barely any women doing commentries. When I first got into sort of you know, 477 00:35:55.519 --> 00:36:00.239 the field, like writing professionally about your cult, there were barely any 478 00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:06.119 women doing that, and Kayla Janie really was like the forerunner for everyone, 479 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:09.960 and it wasn't welcoming, and it's still not welcoming. I still face a 480 00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:15.840 lot of flak online from certain type of guys in certain types of communities. 481 00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:21.280 You just they're enraged that a woman would dare to speak about this stuff and 482 00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:24.559 bring in other stuff. So, you know, I think it's important that 483 00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:30.079 we have other voices in there. You know, I wouldn't just hire somebody 484 00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:34.000 because you know, diversity, it has to be the right person. But 485 00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:38.199 there are so many other people out there, especially in even working class critics 486 00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:43.280 in Britain. That's a real issue. I am working class and that was 487 00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:47.079 another thing that I faced, was classism, especially when I was first started 488 00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:54.360 out and certain peers of mine were not accepting of the pleb that had been 489 00:36:54.400 --> 00:37:00.599 allowed into the ranks and made that known, and when critic Atch even wrote 490 00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:04.679 a whole essay to that effect, to saying, you know, well, 491 00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:08.400 I don't go to these exclusive European film festivals, yeah, because they cost 492 00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:17.199 many and so the more voices the better, because we get to hear different 493 00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:22.280 views on things. Film is subjective, and you know, if we always 494 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:24.840 hear from the same voice and the same type, we're only ever going to 495 00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:30.440 get one view, and that's been very much the case with things like classic 496 00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:32.719 horror and things like that. But now you got writers like Kelly Robinson. 497 00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:38.400 He's an amazing researcher breaking through into that mold and she's incredible and sees all 498 00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:44.320 this other political stuff that's not really been discussed. So you know, actually 499 00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:49.119 now being able to you know, bring more people in. And I've always 500 00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:52.559 tried to do that. Yeah, since I since I started sort of even 501 00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:57.639 as an editor at a magazine, tried to platform all different types of people. 502 00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:00.400 Actually been able to make a change in that is really important to me 503 00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:05.159 because it does get frustraight like, it does get really frustrated when you see 504 00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:10.960 people shut out or whatever. So it is changing. The revolution is coming. 505 00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:15.519 It is. It's really about that part that you brought up, where 506 00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:20.239 it's the right person for the job. And it has been genuinely frustrating for 507 00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:23.360 years to see people that don't really know what they're talking about. Yeah, 508 00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:30.760 I won't name names I have, and it's just like, oh, yeah, 509 00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:35.519 it's the dude. We'll just bring the dude in, or someone who's 510 00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:40.079 kind of only half interested in it, and they're just and that to me 511 00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:46.400 just feels really, I don't know, just depressing. It's like I want 512 00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:52.039 to hear somebody who's passionate. He's going to give me something that I might 513 00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:55.559 not have thought of before, you know, rather than someone who's just parenting 514 00:38:55.559 --> 00:39:00.280 out the same production history that we can now read on Wikipedia. I feel 515 00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:05.800 like that type of film criticism is becoming more and more redundant because at a 516 00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:08.760 tap of a keyboard we can look at mine. It's not always right, 517 00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:13.920 but you know, we can find quite a lot of stuff online now very 518 00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:19.199 easily when it comes to production stuff, you know. So I think that 519 00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:24.639 film criticism is slowly sort of moving out into into something else. People are 520 00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:28.039 bringing a lot more into it, and I want to see a lot more 521 00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:31.719 of that because that is the is selfish, That's what I like in film. 522 00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:38.159 No we are the world thing. It's just that's what personally interests me, 523 00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:43.400 and I want more of it. And it's uh, I promise this 524 00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:45.840 is not just to you know, give you pomp and circumstance or anything. 525 00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:50.360 But just reading some of the things that you write, even you know, 526 00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:54.079 nonchalantly on Facebook or something, it comes across as somebody that is just open 527 00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:59.559 and honest and feels you know, passionate about all. It's like you're getting 528 00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:05.840 it and yeah, recently you had that the Quentin Tarantino thing that you to 529 00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:08.480 me that that falls in exactly with what we're kind of talking about right here. 530 00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:12.239 It's just the different realm and it's the same toxic community that like, 531 00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:15.039 you know, the Hell the Hell Raiser reboot that's coming with a female pin 532 00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:17.800 head and everybody's like, what is this? We can't do that, Yeah, 533 00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:20.840 we can't have a female pin Head. And it's like, well, 534 00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:24.159 actually, have you read Hell Bound Heart because you know it wasn't Doug Bradley 535 00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:34.679 in that book. In the book a queer creative and they're like, you 536 00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:39.239 know, total straight man. It's like, you know, is Clive Barker 537 00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:45.320 one of the most like transgressive queerest Like you know, when you're arguing about 538 00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:52.280 the gender of the pin this character from a series that is like hyper sexual 539 00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:58.199 throughout the entire Hell Raiser just insane. It's sad that there is still that 540 00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:00.320 part of it. But I do do my part to kick back at it 541 00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:06.480 because you know, I can only be me and I know some people don't 542 00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:09.440 like that. In critics, they want critics to you know, be I 543 00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:17.400 guess more professional, but I like that and kind of opinionated, and especially 544 00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:22.360 about things like this. And it is sad, but I do find within 545 00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:27.840 the kind of collector community, outside of very small pockets, there is an 546 00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:34.480 open mindedness from the people. We are largely male, and obviously not all 547 00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:37.000 collectors are male. There are a lot of women collectors as well, but 548 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:40.199 the kind of bulk of that community and they're very open minded that women doing 549 00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:46.639 countries and stuff. I've not really experienced from that. It is this core 550 00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:51.280 thing of people that don't even buy the disks half the time, or read 551 00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:54.719 the stuff, or buy the magazines. You know, they just want to 552 00:41:54.760 --> 00:42:00.239 go online and complain, you know, somebody's in their sound pit. And 553 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:07.280 it's like they don't want to share the professional side of it with sharing your 554 00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:12.199 opinion. And I kind of disagree that they, you know, everybody else 555 00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:15.000 thinks it's not professional to share it because if you don't share like this, 556 00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:21.000 it takes the personality of it. It completely erases your identity other than just 557 00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:25.440 your professionalism. It's difficult because when I first started, I was I was 558 00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:30.400 kind of hyper aware of my class, you know, I was hyper aware 559 00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:34.320 of a lot of things, and I didn't. I had some great editors, 560 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:38.360 and I had some really supportive people, especially like Chris Alexander at Fangoria 561 00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:44.840 was great and so I was lucky there. But I didn't have this like 562 00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:51.079 big welcome thing, big welcome in matt It was the opposite, which is 563 00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:53.360 funny because when I first started my blog, I never had my name on 564 00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:57.840 them. Everyone thought I was a dude and no one ever disagree with me. 565 00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:04.000 And then when I finally cat merged I'm Cat, That's when it changed. 566 00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:08.599 And so it was difficult and so I would sense myself because there is 567 00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:15.400 this whole thing I did have. Without going into too much detail, I 568 00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:19.559 did get pressured by certain people in the industry. You need to put a 569 00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:22.239 lid on that, you shouldn't do that, you shouldn't do this. And 570 00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:28.199 I got to this like weird crossroads and figured, you know, well, 571 00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:30.360 if I never did another commentary again, or I never did this, you 572 00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:34.239 know, I have my magazine, I could blog, I can do a 573 00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:38.519 podcast. So if I lose that by being myself, then fine, but 574 00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:43.920 I will just be myself. And so that's and I'm glad I did because 575 00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:50.440 that was when my career actually really took off, because there is a kind 576 00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:57.239 of like disingenuous thing around it. You know that we have to be nice 577 00:43:57.320 --> 00:44:00.000 and professional and we shouldn't really talk about politics, and we really need to. 578 00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:02.840 And I meet quite a few male critics so like, well, I 579 00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:07.480 don't really like talking about politics. Films should be escapism. And it's like 580 00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:10.880 it's because you don't have to talk about politics. You know, that's your 581 00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:15.320 privilege, but some of us don't have that privilege. We have to bring 582 00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:20.199 it into what we're doing. You know, we can't ignore it. We 583 00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:22.639 don't get the privilege to ignore it. And just so I'm going to lock 584 00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:25.400 myself away with my DVDs and ignore all this. And you shouldn't put that 585 00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:30.239 online. And occasionally it gets heated, and occasionally I get guys who kind 586 00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:34.960 of take it very personally. And I had one who stalk me for a 587 00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:38.480 few years over it because I laughed at someone posting a meme at him. 588 00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:44.400 Another one who recently resurfaced, I kicked him off my page two years ago, 589 00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:50.079 got massive graduate against me and all I could say was are you like, 590 00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:55.559 what are you doing? Wow? So yeah, there's that there's that 591 00:44:55.840 --> 00:45:01.159 to deal with. So many people don't understand those actions affect people, and 592 00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:08.400 really I'm laughing, but sometimes it does. Sometimes it gets really intrusive. 593 00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:14.440 And I don't think I know a single woman in this industry that's not doubt 594 00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:19.320 with that on some level, which is unfortunate. Well, and fortunately it 595 00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:22.559 kind of leads to the one thing that made me originally reach out because you 596 00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.239 had posted this on your Facebook. Hopefully everybody could pause and read this. 597 00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:30.719 Oh yeah, I'm scared what you were going to bring up there, no, 598 00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:34.800 no, no, nothing bad. For those that maybe are just going 599 00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:36.840 to listen all the way through and then go back and read this, I'm 600 00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:38.559 not going to have it up the whole time. But it is about imposter 601 00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:44.199 syndrome and for some and I still get that now, you know, I 602 00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:47.000 still I never take him for granted, the fact I get to do this 603 00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:52.559 work right, and you know the fact that you know that meant that I 604 00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:58.679 was able to stay home with my son and take care of him, because 605 00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:00.519 I've never taken that for granted. But there is a lot of the time 606 00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:02.960 where I'm just like, everything I've done is shit, this is shit. 607 00:46:04.039 --> 00:46:07.960 I don't think I've ever like submitted a single thing, even the Roland film. 608 00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:12.320 At one point, I was just so convinced that I was going the 609 00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:15.719 wrong way that I was I think I need to get another writer in And 610 00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:20.119 I wrote that because I wanted other people to know that, you know, 611 00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:24.159 just because you've been successful whatever, doesn't mean that you don't still feel that 612 00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:30.159 it's natural. But I see it as well. You care. At least 613 00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:34.480 you care, you know. I've met people that don't feel like that, 614 00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:40.239 and generally their work's not very good, and because they never question it. 615 00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:45.760 And when I did first start blogging about it, only it was only a 616 00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:49.280 decade ago that I started doing this sort of movement, and I wasn't even 617 00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:53.320 really perfect. It kind of happened by accident, but I started blogging. 618 00:46:53.440 --> 00:47:00.719 I used to write exclusively and run on sentences like it was cringe as fuck, 619 00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:06.119 but I worked it. I just kept taking grammar courses and listening to 620 00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:09.400 my editors and thinking how can I improve that? And I still do that 621 00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:14.559 now, reading other writers and thinking what do I like about this? Why 622 00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:17.760 is this good? I don't think you should ever stop doing that if you're 623 00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:22.719 making stuff, you know, if you're sort of creating stuff. But Unfortunately 624 00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:27.559 some people don't. But so many people reach out and say, I didn't 625 00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:31.360 think you would feel like that, and it's like, no, it's normal. 626 00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:37.079 I think it's part of the process that we love to talk about and 627 00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:43.320 the funny thing and hopefully to make this relative for this channel a little bit 628 00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:46.800 more. You are literally like a dream guest. You are the type of 629 00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:52.800 person that I see as film school in a see which I don't. I've 630 00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:57.199 never been able to connect myself to that. I don't know. Maybe it's 631 00:47:57.280 --> 00:48:00.440 because you know, a lot of my life is this in mundane, being 632 00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:07.519 a single mum, you know, and you know the communities I live in, 633 00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:12.199 people aren't watching the films I watch or remotely interested in film. Half 634 00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:16.840 the people I know don't even know what the fuck I do, and so 635 00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:22.239 it kind of I don't know, it doesn't seem real to me in that 636 00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:25.599 way. Whenever I do a podcast or a commentary, I'm just I kind 637 00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:30.320 of forget that it's going to be broadcast. Even now I'm talking to you 638 00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:36.480 totally suddenly become aware that it will be on YouTube. But no, I 639 00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:38.480 never think of it in those turns. And then people say that, and 640 00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:44.199 I'm like, I don't know. I just, yeah, it is something 641 00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:46.679 that I struggle with immenseally, and so when I read that, it was, 642 00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:51.119 you know what, she's on my side. It's somebody that I can 643 00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:54.639 reach out to. It is somebody that shares a similar struggle. And there's 644 00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:57.880 a lot of people out there that I'm sure you're dealing with it as well. 645 00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:00.280 And this is, you know, a proof of exact concept of what's 646 00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:04.960 going on in your mind that even those that are immensely successful, the good 647 00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:07.840 ones, at least, they question their abilities and they push themselves to do 648 00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:13.079 better and they make sure that they're on track. I think it's important that 649 00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:16.880 we talk about this stuff. We shouldn't like keep it hidden and pretend that 650 00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:22.679 we're doing okay, because that doesn't help anyone. You know. I started 651 00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:25.079 out and I didn't really know anything, and I just thought, is this 652 00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:29.880 normal? You know? There were times that I just kept just thought I'm 653 00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:34.000 just going to give up, it's like and then I was lucky that I 654 00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:38.480 had some people early on that were honest with me, and we're like, 655 00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:43.159 you know, it's okay, Like just keep going. And I think it's 656 00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:46.400 really important for me to pay that back in some way. And just say 657 00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:52.679 to people, look, you know, it doesn't all this idea of you 658 00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:53.960 know, success, it doesn't really mean anything. At the end of the 659 00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:59.840 day, you're still you. You're still you sat at your computer probably doing 660 00:49:59.840 --> 00:50:01.480 what there it is on your own. Well, you have guests on, 661 00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:06.400 but most of the time you're on your own doing stuff, and so it 662 00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:10.039 doesn't Yeah, it doesn't change you, but it is okay to feel like 663 00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:15.840 that. It's absolutely okay to feel that you fucked up or you know you're 664 00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:23.199 not good enough. Just let that sit for a moment. Yeah, our 665 00:50:23.199 --> 00:50:29.599 background is in social science, is mine, So it does, I think 666 00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:32.800 come into my film work a lot. Oh yeah, I can certainly see 667 00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:36.280 that. I don't think I had known that, and yet you can certainly 668 00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:40.360 feel it, especially in God there was an essay that you did something recently. 669 00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:43.639 I feel like an idiot now that I don't know which one, but 670 00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:45.960 yeah, the way you speak, you can just tell. And I'm I 671 00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:50.599 have a psychology major myself, so just dealing with a lot of what goes 672 00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:54.920 on mentally and can be long lasting for people that happens at home, but 673 00:50:55.000 --> 00:51:00.079 also through art, and the way that we can progress is by celebrating this 674 00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:05.559 art and learning from it and expanding our horizons. That's what it's about, 675 00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:08.239 isn't it. Film Really, for me anyway, is very much about connection. 676 00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:14.519 Yeah, I've talked about this, I've written essays on it. You 677 00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:17.519 know. Obviously there's an intellectual part about it, especially if you're writing a 678 00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:22.559 book or an essay. But to me, first and foremost always, film 679 00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:25.559 has been about connecting to other people, like hearing a song and you hear 680 00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:30.000 a lyric in it, you know, And that could even be something like 681 00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:35.960 I don't know, American Rickshaw or whatever, but anywhere that I can find 682 00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:40.119 something that touches me in a way, that's really what it's about. And 683 00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:45.679 I don't think that's a bad thing. I think we should celebrate that exactly. 684 00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:50.400 Well, speaking of celebrating, kat is sending her son off to college, 685 00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:53.119 so I'll let her get back to her family. So much for taking 686 00:51:53.119 --> 00:51:57.119 the time. Oh, thank you, thank you. I enjoyed this. 687 00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:00.400 I hope someday we can get you back on and do process a little more. 688 00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:05.719 Definitely, definitely thank you for watching everybody, and we'll see you next 689 00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:32.159 time. Tell me no