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Well off of a weekend that is
seeing Tim zu He elevated a world champ

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and successfully defend his title in Australia
at the WVO Junior Middleweight Championship, a

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weekend that has seen Janebeck successfully become
unified middleweight champion, separate fight card in

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Texas, and been a healthy undercard. We've got fight news, We've got

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Hello. Dan Rayfield from Fight Freaks
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How are we feeling heading into a
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am. I am still in my
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the video hookup with a creamsicle orange. After the Bucks got hammered like Brian

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Mendoza in the tenth, eleventh and
twelfth round by the Detroit lions. So

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We're dedicated. We've been doing this a

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year and a half. Dan Raephael, we're dedicating. Coming off the weekend,

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once again. All right, so
lot's to cover. Let's begin with Australia.

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Let's begin with Tim Zoo. I'm
so confused on my days because it's

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still Sunday in the Eastern time zone
in the United States and get in Australia.

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It feels like it might as well
be Tuesday or Wednesday. So Tuesday

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Sunday afternoon in Australia. Yes,
Saturday night in the US, Tim Zoo

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does win being elevated to full world
titles stand at US at one four.

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Your impressions on the twelve round decision
over a very game I'll say it Brian

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Mendoza, who not only didn't get
knocked out, didn't even get knocked down

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while being hammered. Are your thoughts
on Zoo's title defense to start us off,

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Well, my thoughts are that it
kind of was as I as I

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had expected, other than I thought
he might get the knockout. Now,

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Mendoza came into this fight having never
been knocked down, obviously having never been

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stopped before, but against who you
know what I'm saying, like, it

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wasn't like he fought this group of
killer knockout artists where he thought, oh

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my god, he's got a great
chin. Well, he he proved two

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things to me the way he boxed
against against Tim Zoo. One, he

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really does have a hell of its
chin, so a tip of the hat

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as you can see for that number
one. And also, you know,

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so he showed a great heart in
taking the kind of punishment he took and

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not getting knocked down. Because I'm
going to tell you some of those right

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hands, and some of those uppercuts
that tim Zoo landed, they would drop

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a lot of guys. They would
knock out a lot of guys. And

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he's knocked out and dropped a lot
of guys with those same kinds of shots.

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So Mendoza, whatever you think about
him, got a hell of a

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chin. And the second thing that
I learned about him is that while he

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is a good fighter like I thought
he was, he is not in the

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same class as tim Zuo, which
is what I said to you in the

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preview show when we were discussing this
fight how it might go. So Tim

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Zu, you know, the first
round knockout against Carlos Ocampo back in June.

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Notwithstanding, he's kind of a slow
starter. He likes to look at

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what he's got in front of him. It takes him a few rounds to

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get going. And he actually said
it in the lead up to this fight

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that it's going to take him a
few rounds to get into the group to

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see what Mendoza has to offer.
Mendoza, you know, was in great

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condition, they both were in great
shape. He came to fight and for

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the first probably five rounds, maybe
six rounds, it was a fight I

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mean he was in it. I
mean, however you were scoring it certainly,

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even if you were giving rounds to
Tim Zuo. Brian Mendoza was definitely

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competitive. So it took him a
few rounds to get going. So he

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was in the fight first path of
the fight, let's say, but he

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started clipping him with hard punches.
In round five, got a little bit

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more active, and then in round
seven he had a humongous round and that's

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really where everything changed. And Mendoza
said in his post fight comments, they

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didn't show his post fight interview on
Showtimes broadcast, but I watched his postfight

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press conference, and you know,
he showed a lot of class and defeat.

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He gave Tim credit, said,
look, he beat me, he

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was the better guy. I came
one hundred and ten percent. I mean,

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no excuses at all, but I
you know, I couldn't. He

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really started to get his real rhythm
in that second half of the fight,

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which is exactly what happened. And
so he had a couple of big rounds

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where he was just laying the punishment
on him. And as a matter of

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fact, there was one of the
rounds if you notice the scores, the

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final scores of the fight was one
one seventeen to one eleven, one sixteen,

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one eleven, one sixteen, one
twelve. You might say, why

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was there one sixteen one eleven.
There was no point deductions or anything like

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that, and there were no knockdowns, but one of the judges, because

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there was such a one sided ass
whooping in one of those late rounds,

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it was in the eleventh round that
one of the judges gave a Zoo a

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ten eight round even without a knockdown, which I don't think is out of

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there. I didn't do it,
but I don't think it in any way,

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shape orformance out of the realm of
legitimacy. So that's why there was

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that one unusual score. So uh, A long story short, a competitive

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fight for half the fight, and
then Tim zu uh you know, took

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over and was my reference would be
like the train going down the mountain without

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the breaks, and Brian Mendoza was
the one that was standing there and getting

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run over. And I agree with
you on the point that he really kicked

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it into gear in the second half
of the fight. I believe it was

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the eleventh round where he had he
trapped along the ropes barrage of uppercuts,

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right hands, and you're thinking,
is he going to go down here?

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You and I both on the bet
Us show had gone for the knockout.

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I thought we were still alive for
the knockout if but Mendoza, to his

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credit, took the shots and was
actually firing back and was firing back in

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the twelfth round. So he deserved
a lot of credit for going all the

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way to Australia and being tough.
But clearly, like you like to say,

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and I'll say this about the Jana
Bag title defense, there are levels

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to this and tim Zu's on a
different level and he showed it no and

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there you go. So anything else
finally on how he looked, well,

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I was gonna say as far as
the onslaught you mentioned here in round eleven,

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like Mark Nelson was the referee,
and Mark has been one of the

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best referees in boxing for a very
long time, and I think he's one

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of the best when it comes to
deciding when he fight should be stopped at

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not. He's got a little smoker
in him, and I mean that in

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Steve Smoker. I mean that in
a very positive way. You know,

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he's not gonna let guys usually take
too much, but he's usually right on

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the money, and so he was. When I saw in round eleven,

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as he was as Mendoza was taking
those shots that you were mentioning, you

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could see Mark was right there.
He was like maybe one or two punches

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from stopping that fight, and to
Mendoz's credit, he was able to throw

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back just enough to stay in it
for the and make it to the final

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bell. So, you know,
I thought Mendoz was very refreshing when I

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saw his his press coments. You
know, heays, look, look I've

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lost before, and I clawed my
way back, and that's what he did

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to get this opportunity in the first
place. The only negative from from his

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point of view, besides taking the
loss, I'm sure he made a career

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payday. I remember he had gotten
into this fight off the Fendora knockout victory

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that gave him the WBC's interim title, but because this was not an approved

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fight by the WBC, the WBO
would not approve it as he can't unify

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the world title with the interim But
it just does not work, so he

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loses by virtue of the loss,
he loses the WBC's interim title. It

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just goes vacant and he'll get an
opportunity. I had communicated to try to

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get a clarification about what was happening. I had a back and forth text

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exchange with Murcio Sulimann on the day
of the fight, and what he said

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to me was, yes, he
would. He would. If he lost

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the fight, he would no longer
be the WBC interim champion, but he

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would be in a position to be
in an eliminator in the next fight,

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So you know, and all those
not lost, so prime and does will

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be back. I suspect. You
know, he's a he's a very nice

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a nice fighter in the sense that
he comes to fight. You know,

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he's got a great heart, he's
got good punching power, and he had

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a great attitude. And for Zoo, look, I mean, you know,

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after the fight, what did he
do? He called out Charlote.

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That's the guy he wanted in January
for undisputed for reasons that were not in

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his control. He didn't get the
chance because of the broken hand. Then

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it was never rescheduled, so he
stayed. Busy won the interim title over

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Harrison, blew Out O Campo and
seventy seven seconds or whatever it was,

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Charlot goes out and loses to Canelo. It allows the Zoo to be upgraded

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for the one belt, but he
still got the other three, and so

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he'd liked to fight him, and
he was calling him out. And look,

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I mean, I don't know what's
gonna happen with Charlot's IBF mandatory,

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which is supposed to be next.
You never know if there'll be another deal

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or a step aside. But I
think it's very obvious that the two best

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guys in the weight class at the
moment have one hundred and fifty four pounds

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are Charlow, who is the three
belt legit champ, and he got Tim

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Zoo now with the WBO title,
who was also putting together a nice resume

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and looking sharpe doing it. They're
they're the two best guys, and he's

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coming to the United States. As
he mentioned several times, hold his crowd.

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This was sort of like the last
hurrah. He's going to be fighting

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out of the United States for the
for the next bit, and hopefully we'll

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see that fight in twenty twenty four. Because as uh Der and middleweight fights

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go, I don't think there's a
bigger fight you can make right now,

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unless you're talking about something involving if
Terrence Crawford decides to move up and wait

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or spence in some you know,
former fashion with a rematch or something along

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those lines from your lips to what
actually happens in the ring. Let's see

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if we can get that when at
least by the summer at the latest,

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uh and Zoo realizes there's more money, bigger fights to be made. And

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again he's been headlining. You know
this, He's been headlining for like the

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last four calendar years, went back
to the twenty twenty craziness in Australia,

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so they've seen him over and over
and over again, sold out arenas,

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rugby stadiums, et cetera. And
now with one fight mixed in there in

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the US against Toronto, He's going
to do what his father did, I

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mean when passed the Zoo and his
dad. He fought some title defenses early

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on in Australia, and then he
came and he fought for years and years

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and years out of the United States. He had one homecoming fight on Showtime

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years ago. It's Jesse James like
Hu but fought most of his fights in

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America and then just had it turned
out to be his final fight when he

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lost the title to Ricky Hatten in
the UK. But he was an American

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based fighter. Fought in Las Vegas, fun in Connecticut, you know,

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fought in California, you know,
fought fought a lot of fun in Texas,

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you know, and fought a lot
of good fighters. And that's why

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he's in the Hall of Fame.
And his son is trying to follow that

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those footsteps in I just can't help
when I watch him, other than the

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fact that he's a couple of weight
classes bigger than Devin, his father.

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The way he holds his hands,
the way he fires the right hand,

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the way he comports himtuff, the
way he sounds, the way he looks

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like Look, I feel like it's
twenty five years ago and I'm watching his

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old band wife cover. I'm with
you on that, all right, Let's

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move on. Anything else? Were
we good? Move on? Move on

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to the We're Good Top Rank ESPN
show where Jana Big and it's now a

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lim Hanadlah. We've been saying a
lim Canoulli, but this is the Kazakh

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pronunciations. They were saying that a
bunch Bernardo Zuna and Bernardo Azuna and Tim

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Bradley on the broadcast. So Janebec
gets the win over Vincenzo Gualtieri, he

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unifies the titles. We talked a
lot in the preview mode about this fight.

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Waltieri basically not known in this country. Jannebec had at least fought a

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bunch in recent you know, last
year and a half on ESPN top ranked

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shows, and he dominated from what
I saw out of that south pawt stance,

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and he realized, Waltieri, I'm
saying, this couldn't really hurt him.

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Tim Bradley was talking about that from
like the second or third round on

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Jannebek's coming forward because he realizes this
guy can't hurt him. All right,

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Your thoughts, your thoughts on what
you saw is he gets the TKO and

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he gets the he adds the IBF
middleweight title to his WBO belt. Well,

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again, we talked about compy box
stats a lot, and I always

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tell you the same thing. They
don't tell you they're they're not a reason

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to say one guy won or one
guy lost. They're a great guy into

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the fight though, So if I
told you that based on what the compy

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box stats registered for this fight,
that landed almost as many punches as Galtieri

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threw in the fight. That should
tell you all you need to know.

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They credited him with landing eighty two
punches and with Gualtierry throwing eighty five punches,

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so that that should tell you what
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offense. He was I felt like
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those long left hands coming at him, the upper cuts coming at him.

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Like last night was like if you
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if you're a fan of uppercuts,
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what tim Zoo was doing to Mendoza
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there was a lot of uppercuts being
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this was not a surprise. Galterierry
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entire sport, and the only time
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he won the belt Vacant belt against
the Scheva Falco back in the summer,

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and it was a he won the
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but it was a very unimpressive performance
in my opinion, and having seen Jeneveek

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fight a number of times since he
turned pro, you know, I didn't

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I didn't know exactly when the knockout
was gonna happen. We both picked the

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under the fact that he did get
the knockout in no way, shape or

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form surprised me. I expected it, and it was actually even an easier

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fight than I thought, because the
guy just was not competitive. He had

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no idea how to handle the length
and the power, and uh, you

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know, I give him credit for
coming here and having the having the heart,

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you know, the willingness in his
first defense to leave home. He'd

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never fought outside of Germany before to
come here and fight on the other guy's

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turf. You know, granted he
was making a career high amount of money

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any any and he was very uh
sports him Like in the post fight where

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you know he gave jenetec all the
credit didn't come, you know, basically

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mildly said, well, I thought
maybe he was stopped a little bit too

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soon. Okay, that's your pride
talking. Obviously, he hadn't won a

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single round and hadn't done anything,
so I'm not sure what the ref was

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supposed to do when he's standing in
the corner and and uh, Geneveec's like

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landing right hands and and left hands
off his head. Got to stop the

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fight. But uh, we talked
about it before the fight TJ probably one

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of the lowest profile unification fights that
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and with one of the guys being
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belt, you know, they're important
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the fighter or they don't make the
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belt made the fighter because this guy. I mean, if you if you

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told me that Jenebek was on an
off TV undercard in like a ten rounder

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against this guy, vincenzol Galtieri,
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He got a belt that that glovekn
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career. I paited that he'll never
see again. I don't. I'm not

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trying to insult Garthieri. I have
nothing against the guy. He came off

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as a as a nice guy and
well spoken and everything in his post fight

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interview, But I dare say we'll
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level in the rest of his career. He looked he looked again like a

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B minus C plus at best level. Fight fighting a guy that's at the

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A level, and I will give
him credit. He got that left eye

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busted, which was swelling badly in
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It could have been very easy to
turtle at that point or say that's

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it, quit on the stool.
Third round. Whatever he did. He

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showed some toughness, not unlike Mendoza. He showed some toughness and it went

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a few more rounds. That's about
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So we both Now you have jenebec
USh, right, so what about

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him? Well, you have janebek
with the two titles. He's got now

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the the IBF belt that he took
away from Galtieri, He's retained his WBO

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title. He's now fifteen to no
he's got ten knockouts and in a weight

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class that is devoid of big names
and big stars, as we outlined in

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the pre preview, which is so
many of the top guys that we've known

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from the middleweight division have left the
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you know, Billy Joe Saunders,
Daniel Jacobs. There's just been a

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whole slew with them, and even
Glofkin went up for the one fight and

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has has You know, he steady
is gonna come back down the middleway and

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defend this Timeles, but he vacated
and it is apparent that he I say,

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he's in apparent retirement. Obviously,
if Triple G decides to come back,

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he'll immediately become the best name in
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time being, he's not there.
And the other two guys with the belts,

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Jamal Charlot and ARISONI Lara, they
fight the way you see at least

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comment. I mean, they're just
not active at all. And even if

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they were active, they're on the
PBC side of the street, and those

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fights can be made on the other
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to be something that makes sense financially. And let's be honest, Jannebec against

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Lara or Janebek against Charlo, those
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We're gonna be real. No,
really, no reason to make those fights.

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I can see them maybe someday somehow
doing Charlo versus Laura. At least

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they're both with PBC. But the
point is, while Charlo and Laara they're

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obviously good names, but if you
don't fight, it's hard to really,

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you know, get your name out
there and and increase your profile and and

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and have the fans embrace you.
At least janebec is active now with the

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two belts and the undefeated record.
In an oppressive performance the other night,

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coming off of the previous one where
against it was not against the top opponent

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Butler, but an impressive knockout in
a in a crappy weight class, he

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is established himself, I believe,
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Uh, you know, And the
thing about it that's kind of unfortunate

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is that middleweight is one of the
great historic, one of the most loved

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weight classes in boxing history. It's, you know, one of the glory

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divisions that he were one of the
marquee divisions, you know, Marvin Hagler

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and Sugar Ray Robinson and Bernard Hopkins
and more recently Triple G and Canelo,

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and like that's not this is not
our division right now. I mean,

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we went a long way from those
days. Right now we are not there.

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Yeah, But but whatever it is
Jannabeck at the moment, whatever this

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weight class is, he's the best
there. And this is not even the

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middleweight division of William Joppi and Keith
Holmes and you know in the in the

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like the nineties, you know,
but uh, this is this is what

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there is and he's the best standing
right now. Okay, round out the

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undercard, Keishawn Davis winning in the
co feature. We also saw Richard Torrez

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knockout not unexpected. What else?
What else stood out there from the top

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rank show in Texas? Well?
Kishon Davis, as you said, was

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in the co feature. He ended
up winning a would turn up to be

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a majority decision over on the here
Albright, who's a solid fighter. I

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think anybody that paid close attention to
that fight would look at the ninety five

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to ninety five squarecard with a sort
of a weird eye because that was not

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reflective of the fight. I mean, while did Kishon Davis look spectacular?

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Did he win every round? The
answer is no, did he win the

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fight absolutely? I think you know, we talked sometimes about what's the range

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of acceptable scores. I would say, on the on the outside, you

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could have that fight eight rounds to
two if you really were gonna be totally

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generous to Albright, maybe you could
make it six to four, which one

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of the judges did. The other
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I thought Davis dominated the fight.
You know, Albright came out a little

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bit in the last couples yea.
And the people I was reading some of

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the social media comments about the fight
in the last twenty four hours, I

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was really kind of surprised at the
people that were so negative towards Keishon Davis.

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This was the perfect fight for him. This is what the kid needed.

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He needed a fight against a real
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Because even when he fought like former
title challengers and you know, those

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types of opponents, he was running
them out of the ring and wining ten

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to nothing. You're not learning.
This was a fight where he was pressed

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with some competition for a few rounds
and he you know, again, remember

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he's only ten and zero. It's
not like he has a huge professional experience

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level. I mean, yeah,
he was a great amateur, but it's

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a different game in the professional ranks, and this was what he needed.

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He got in ten solid rounds against
a pretty good fighter who you know,

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come off who got the fight because
he had come off of an upset and

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over Baldaris and had been in another
good fights against quality guys Jermaine Ortiz,

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et cetera. So I don't have
negatives to say about Kishon. I thought

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this was exactly what the kid needed. If you win in years from now,

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if you see Keyshawn Davis as a
world champion or on the pound for

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poundless like a lot of people think
he will be someday, one of the

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building blocks to getting there was a
fight like this against Albright, who,

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even off of a loss, is
the kind of guy who I can see

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in other fights of note in the
lightweight division, maybe winning some, maybe

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losing some, but be giving a
good effort and being competitive. Neither guy's

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got anything to be ashamed of.
And as far as Richard Torres go goes,

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you know, it's come to what
we expect. He scored a second

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round knockout against a guy that was
just a guy, and we'll see him

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continue to get these type of knockouts. We'll see if they can continue to,

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you know, slowly but shortly,
let's say, elevate his level of

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competition. No hurry. As I've
said many times, I want to talk

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a little b about what else was
on the undercard, because I must say

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there's some guys who were considered prospects
for entirely unimpressive. So let's talk about

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the good. First of all,
there's Giovanni Marquez, who is not wing.

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He's a Houston fighter, so they
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like the home Rosenberg where his fight
took place, as a suburb of Houston.

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And Giovanni Marquez, of course,
the son of Raoul Marquez, who

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was promoted by Top Rank for many
years in his career and has a good

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relationship with the team there. And
I think Top Rank was taking a look

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at the kids. So he looked
good. He got a second he got

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a second round knockout. He's one
hundred and forty pounder, and maybe we'll

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lead to them signing him possibly,
But he seemed like, you know,

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he's a he's got a fan friendly
kind of style with with with some skills.

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You know, his father Raoul was
really a brawler type. But I

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think his son, Giovanni, he's
got a little more fast hands, does

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he not? I mean, on
a level of competition, I understand,

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but he's got fast hands. Geoquaz
and listen. As far as Raoul goes

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his father, I mean, he
was much either the brawler as a profession,

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but it wasn't like he couldn't box. I mean, he was the

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guy was the United States Olympian.
You don't you're not an Olympian if you

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can't, if you don't have some
element of boxing skills. So I thought

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he looked good on the undercart.
I thought Wido v and Lli, Guido

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Vianello, the heavyweight who was an
Olympian for Italy, and that was ten

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or now he's eleven to one and
one. He was an Olympian back in

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two thousand and in sixteen. He's
just not getting better. I mean,

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he had got a loss in his
previous fight based on a cut. That

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was against Johnny Rice. That was
in January. So now he's fighting Curtis

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Harper, a ranked journeyman, and
he looked downright boring and terrible. Lost

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a couple rounds, still won the
fight handley, But I just don't think

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he's going anywhere. I mean,
maybe I thought it was. I thought

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it was he's a huge dude.
I thought it was interesting. Because I

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had never heard this. He comes
from a family of tennis players, and

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I think his sister was a professional
tennis player, and so Bernardo Ozuna was

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bringing this up that he wanted to
be a professional tennis player for a while,

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and there's a far cry different from
the decorum of tennis. Granted you

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have a weapon of racket and then
boxing, and so I just thought that's

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fascinating that. I mean, that's
a whole different dynamic. Interesting. Yeah,

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I was just disappointed. I thought
Curtis Harper is the perfect guy from

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to get out of there and to
do some damage on and I'm just like,

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he seems to me have reached the
plateau. Uh, and now it's

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up to him to prove people around. Like I actually wouldn't be totally shocked

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and top right released him. Even
off the wind. They may keep him

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around because they'll serve him up to
like in a jaga or to Jared Anderson

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or somebody like that. But I
don't think he's going anywhere. And I'm

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not trying to be harsh. I
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I'm just being honest with what I
saw. And then the other fighter

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on the cart, Jerry still ought
he's a very good skilled boxer. But

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Duke Greagan, who was a silver
medalist also in the Olympic Games. You

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know, he's coming off the year
laoff. So I'm gonna give him some,

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give him some. I'm gonna cut
him some slack because of the long

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laugh. He was injured with an
elbow problem. He was dealing with the

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death of his father, which was
obviously a huge blow to was of course,

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you know they're step by step,
so you know, he came back.

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He got a close win, he
eaked it out on a split decision,

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an eight rounder. Let's see if
he can turn it around, because

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even through his first eight fights,
he's now in I to know, through

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his first eight fights, he's never
gonna be a guy that's gonna, you

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know, set the world on fire
in terms of an excitement level. But

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he was a good skilled boxer.
But if this is the level he's gonna

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fight at, he's probably reaching a
plateau. Also, h I'll give him.

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I'm not gonna write him off just
because he still does UNDFEATD. He's

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still won the fight, but I'd
like to see a little more spark in

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the game. You know, these
Olympians now they're getting their reps. And

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now now after all these number,
after you know, half a dozen,

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eight, you know, nine and
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now it's time that you can turn
a critical eye towards these guys.

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00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,279
I'm always willing to let a guy
like have his time to develop, you

404
00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:34,240
know, But now it's been you
know, well over you know, a

405
00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:37,680
year and a half, for two
years, and it's time to sort of

406
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,759
start to assess these guys that where
they're going. So they've got they've got

407
00:24:40,759 --> 00:24:45,240
some things to work on. Reagan
as well as Bionello and uh, you

408
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,359
know, and Richard Torres still the
work in progress. I saw. I

409
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,039
thought the start of the undercar of
the non TV you know, the ESPN

410
00:24:51,079 --> 00:24:56,559
plus was. Was Giovanni Marquez fascinating
on all that? We value your opinion.

411
00:24:56,039 --> 00:24:59,920
All right, let's move on,
man. But wait, there's more

412
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,920
on the recap. So you know, some weeks we only have like one

413
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,559
fight card to go over. We
got multiple fight cards everywhere, so let's

414
00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:07,720
go to Mexico City. I did
not see this. I know it was

415
00:25:07,759 --> 00:25:11,720
an early knockout. Former world champ
Miguel Burchelt was in the main event,

416
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:17,640
tell me more about his ko please. Mighty won in the recap mode.

417
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,680
This was the get well fight,
if you will, for Burt Schalt.

418
00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:26,599
You know, I don't think even
if you thought Burchalt was totally shot and

419
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,079
totally done after the two devastating knockout
losses he had taken in his previous two

420
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,720
fights, and having been out of
the ring for a year and a half,

421
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,720
I think even even under those circumstances, you figured, Okay, Diego

422
00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:41,599
Ruiz is not going to pose a
huge problem for him, and he didn't

423
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,599
pose any problem for him. He
blew him out in two rounds, and

424
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,440
it was a weird kind of thing. I mean, he beat him up

425
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,200
pretty good in the first couple of
rounds, but it was a little surprising

426
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,359
to see him retire on the stool
after round two. Usually you know that

427
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,960
early you're not you know, the
corner's not pulling the plug, or you're

428
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,799
not quitting. You know, you're
the getting knocked out, or if you're

429
00:25:59,799 --> 00:26:00,640
going to retire on the tool,
it's gonna be a little bit later in

430
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,079
the fight. So it was what
it was. He got. He got

431
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,839
destroyed by Oscar Valdez in an upset
lost his title in a massive knockout in

432
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:14,359
twenty twenty one in the tenth round. He was then off thirteen months.

433
00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:18,319
He moved up to one hundred and
thirty five pounds. They thought they were

434
00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:19,519
getting him a fight against, you
know, a competent opponent, but not

435
00:26:19,559 --> 00:26:22,119
a guy that he was going to
lose to him. That was Jeremiah Nacatilla.

436
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:26,279
And what happened in that fight he
got absolutely destroyed in the sixth round,

437
00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:32,400
another massive, massive knockout destruction and
hadn't fought since. And so he

438
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,119
headlines the who was a Golden Boy
cart on his own, but they put

439
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,880
it on in conjunction with the Mexican
promoter zan for Promotions, And you know,

440
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,119
Burchelt got the win and he'll carry
on and we'll see if he can

441
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,759
get another fight of consequence in the
lightweight division. And one thing about him

442
00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:49,400
is he's got to win now.
And he's also a pretty good name and

443
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,119
he usually makes a good fight.
So I don't think we've seen the last

444
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,039
time Miguel Burchell. But the jury's
out because the competition level that he was

445
00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:02,720
in with on Saturday with Ruiz was
a lot lesser than let's say against Oscar

446
00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:07,720
Vldzen and even Jeremiah Nakatia certainly on
that news and nostalgia. In a moment,

447
00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:11,759
Rayfield did not put this on the
rundown. The only thing I will

448
00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:18,400
say about the Ksi Fury card is
number one debacle fight card leading up to

449
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,319
the main event. And this is
where a lot of people are going to

450
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,480
really think twice about paying significant money
for a pay per view with that.

451
00:27:26,759 --> 00:27:30,079
But the second thing that I'll just
sum up with this, Tommy Fury got

452
00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:33,960
the win. Whatever you want to
think about the sixth round decision over Ksi,

453
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:38,519
but this is Reeve's coming strong now. Rayfield was spewing some real talk

454
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,920
about the top ranked fighters. Who's
got to go what? This is the

455
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,799
truth. Tommy Fury is cashing in
on the name, the name of his

456
00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:51,279
brother, his celebrity, his good
looks. The dude ain't getting any better

457
00:27:51,319 --> 00:27:53,839
as a fighter. I'm just gonna
say that I watched this fight with Ksi.

458
00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:56,240
You really did not. You may
have seen the highlight. You watched

459
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,960
it, watch it. He's not
getting any pay I did. I had

460
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,400
the pay per view, yes I
had access, yes, but look,

461
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,880
I feel obligated that what would have
happened if KSI had laid him out,

462
00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:11,200
somebody's you know, we got to
be able to write it on the side,

463
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,640
et cetera. So yes, but
here's the reality. I'm out on

464
00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:21,599
buying this stuff because Tommy Fury is
getting no better, no better despite the

465
00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:23,480
fights he's had, and you just
wonder where he is. Yes, he's

466
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,799
made money, that's all I'm gonna
say. I'm still trying. I'm still

467
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:33,319
trying to process. Yes, So
look, the bottom line is that he's

468
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,920
made money, but he's going no
further as a fighter. He was timid,

469
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,680
afraid to throw punches at at a
YouTuber, at a musician for fear

470
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,240
of what would happen. And so
yeah, just silliness, silliness, and

471
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,240
we've spent probably more time than it
should have been. One thing, and

472
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,319
I didn't watch it. I didn't
buy it. I saw a couple of

473
00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:56,839
clips of stuff on social media.
I did see you think today where apparently

474
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,759
he had won a what was it
a majority decision, but and ks I

475
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,720
was upset. Yeah, it was
one fight at one judge of draw and

476
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,400
then the other two. So what
happened was but the judge that had to

477
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,519
draw was actually an error on the
scorecard, and he actually Tommy won the

478
00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:14,839
unanimouscision. I guess all three cards
now breaking news to me, and we're

479
00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:18,400
now talking longer about this. The
only thing I'm saying is if his name

480
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:25,160
you mentioned about the lineage or whatever, and and if Gualtieri had not had

481
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,359
a title, he'd have been in
a ten round undercard fight. If Tommy

482
00:29:29,359 --> 00:29:33,079
Fury did not have the last name
Fury, he would not be headlining anywhere

483
00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:37,720
in the UK or anywhere else.
He doesn't. You're the child now has

484
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,759
wins over KSI and Jake Paul.
Behave yourself. He was better in the

485
00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:47,200
Paul fight than what he was against
KSI. My only point is I saw

486
00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:51,440
I saw his previous fight on the
Jake Paul undercard in Cleveland. He's not

487
00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:53,079
getting any better two or three years
later. I don't know how serious he

488
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,359
is even about getting any better.
He's getting paid. That's it. Let's

489
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:02,920
let's move on on that. Maybe
go back on Temptation Island or Love Island

490
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,559
or whatever. We're not going to
talk about that. Logan pul fars either,

491
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,599
right, Yes, debacle, and
again the line is blurred between pro

492
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,359
wrestling and boxing with him anyway,
And a lot of that makes you wonder

493
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:18,759
if if he and Dylan Denise didn't
didn't you know, pre arrange how that

494
00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:22,960
might end. It was it was
stupid. So anyway, there you go.

495
00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:26,799
There's more than enough on that fight
card to the fight news begin with

496
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:33,000
the Monster. There's news on the
Monster and his latest title fight for December.

497
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:36,680
Give us more. Well, this
is not in any way a surprise.

498
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,960
This has been in the works since
in a Way defeated Stephen Fulton in

499
00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:45,079
July. And if you remember after
that fight ended, who was sitting ringside,

500
00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:45,920
who got in the ring with him
to do a joint interview, that

501
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:52,000
was Marlin to Polis in a Way
had won the WBC and the WBO belts

502
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,440
from Fulton to Poulis earlier in the
year had upset akquadalia to win the IBF

503
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,240
and the WBA titles. So the
the biggest fight you can make in that

504
00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:04,440
division in terms of for in a
Way is to become undisputed in another weight

505
00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:07,680
division. And to Paulus, you
know, he was in the right place

506
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,640
at the right time getting that upset
against Akmadaliaev, and there's no bigger fight

507
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:17,519
he can have legacy or financially than
to go and fight in a way,

508
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:19,759
So they're making that fight. So
that's not a surprise. So the news

509
00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:23,880
now, and this was partly spoken
about at the WBO convention was going on

510
00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:26,839
over the last several days, and
this came up at the contention, so

511
00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:30,599
it wasn't like it was a secret
and top rank has talked about it.

512
00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:34,400
The deal is not I spoke to
one of the police camp people that I

513
00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:40,119
know and it was said there's like
there's one small couple of small things they're

514
00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:42,160
dealing with, but they expect the
fight will be announced next week. It

515
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,359
will be December to twenty sixth in
Tokyo, and it will give in a

516
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,960
way and to policy a chance to
become the undisputed junior featherweight title. That

517
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,160
there has never been an undisputed champion
in this way class since it was created,

518
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,000
you know, in the multi belt
era two belt, three belt,

519
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,839
four belt, so there's a chance
for that to happen. If in a

520
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,920
way is the winner, he would
join Terrence Crawford as the only male Bloxer

521
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,319
to be on undisputed champion of the
four beltyre in two weight classes. Because

522
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:13,079
obviously he was the undisputed champion at
bantamweight before he moved up to fight Fulton.

523
00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:15,400
Obviously, Charlotte made that attempt to
do it at fifty four and sixty

524
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:20,960
eight, but he got his clock
cleaned by Canelo Alvarez. So this this

525
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,279
will have some history there. You
know, he's already in a way,

526
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:27,160
he's already won you know, tremendous
amount of title fights. He I mean

527
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,160
in a way his twenty wins,
no losses and eighteen knockouts in world title

528
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,559
fights. Well, and he's only
been and he's only twenty five and zero

529
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:37,440
for his whole career, So that
should tell you he's already won titles in

530
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:42,279
four divisions and now he's going to
be very strong. Likely it he'll become

531
00:32:42,319 --> 00:32:45,839
the two division on disputed champion because
all the respect to the police, he

532
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,880
was a pretty good fighter. He
was a bandonedwaight title older before he beat

533
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,119
the beat Aquadalia. We talked about
levels with Mendoza and Zoo in these other

534
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,680
fights, it's the same thing in
a way, is a spectacular Hall of

535
00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:00,559
Fame caliber, you know, generational
kind of guy, and Tapolis is just

536
00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:05,400
a good fighter. So it'd be
one of the biggest upsets we've seen in

537
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,119
a long time. If if in
a way were to lose this, I

538
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,680
mean, I think Stephen Fulton would
clean the Polici's clock and we saw what

539
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,559
in a way did to him.
So but they have big fight cards in

540
00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:21,160
Japan around Christmas. I mean you
know in that Christmas the New Year's week,

541
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:24,400
it's a very traditional thing over there. So you know, open your

542
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:29,519
presence, drink your egg nog,
and wake up early on December twenty sixth

543
00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:32,319
because it will be on ESPN Plus, I am sure, and we'll see

544
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,799
the monster crown undisputed in a second
way class. So I'm glad they made

545
00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:38,839
the fight. It's the only one
that makes sense to me. The question,

546
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:44,839
frankly is once in a way does
away with Tapoulos, then what Because

547
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,839
there's been a conversation, I mean
in the longer range things I've heard about

548
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,920
is potentially going to featherweight. You
know Robesi Ramirez was on one of his

549
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,200
undercards luisaw berdo lopezz with todp Rank, who has mentioned him before. There's

550
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,880
gonna be opportunities if in a way
wants it to make a featherweight title fight

551
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,920
and do so very easily if he
wins this fight against the Polace real quick,

552
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,279
because I know we want to move
on. Just clarify for me,

553
00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:07,680
because again, as we do this
on Sunday night, it's been a long

554
00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:09,320
day for me. You're also trying
to peek at the Giants score. I

555
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:14,360
understand that they're playing the Buffalo bills, but clarify for me. Wasn't Brandon

556
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:19,440
Figaroa trying to rematch Fulton that didn't
happen? Did figure Roa move up for

557
00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:22,239
good to the next weight class,
or could figure Roa maybe drop down and

558
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,239
fight the Monster, because that's an
interesting fight in the US. Listen to

559
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:30,159
me playing amateur matchmaker on a Sunday
No clear all that up. Brandon figureau

560
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:35,800
has the interim title of the WBC
and he is in line. And again

561
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,800
this is not a done deal.
And I'm going to talk about this in

562
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,320
this a minute, but there's a
few of PBC fights that are in the

563
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:45,920
pipeline that either they're trying to me, have already made have won purse bidscore.

564
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,000
And now because of what's going on
with showtime that we have detailed,

565
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,480
they've got like you know, ten
pounds of shit to fit in a five

566
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:55,079
pound bag. They've got a whole
bunch of fights that they're trying to sort

567
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:58,960
out for the rest of this year
with limited number of events that do so.

568
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,920
One of those fight that's on that
list the fights that they're trying to

569
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:07,760
get done is the mandatory fight between
the WBC featherweight champion Ray Vargas, who,

570
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,679
even though he lost that was up
at one hundred and thirty when he

571
00:35:09,679 --> 00:35:15,920
tried to fight for the vacant title
there and coming he said he's coming back

572
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,519
to one twenty six. Is mandatory
is the interim champion, Brandon Faguoa.

573
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:22,599
So the next fight for Figueroa is
going to be most likely Ray Vargas,

574
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,920
not looking to do anything with Stephen
Fulton. Not to say that they couldn't

575
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,119
rematch down the road at some point
in their careers. It may always still

576
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:34,519
be there, but in the immediate
in the immediate future, you're looking at

577
00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:38,559
the likelihood of Ray Vargas against Brandon
Figueroa. Okay, fair enough, Speaking

578
00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:42,519
of trying to cram, I always
say potatoes, ten pounds of potatoes in

579
00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:46,559
a five pound bag. The IBF
Junior Welterweight title fight, you've talked about

580
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:53,639
this before Subrio Matyas and Ugus Ergyshev
that you've been mentioning they need to put

581
00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:57,519
this fight somewhere. What's it look
like for where they can cram it in

582
00:35:57,519 --> 00:36:00,360
before the end of the calendar year. What's it looking like. One point,

583
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,119
there was the likelihood that Showtime and
I knew this from Showtime. It's

584
00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:06,679
not like it was a secret.
They told me that this was what they

585
00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:10,079
wanted to do, was a Showtime
Championship Boxing on November fourth, and that

586
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:15,800
this fight between Mattias and Ergushev,
which is the mandatory fight, would probably

587
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,599
be, if not the main event, would be on the card. That

588
00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:22,639
that date now is gone, that's
not happening, so there still need a

589
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:27,400
spot to do Ergushov, you know, in the in the in the title

590
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,800
shot against Matias. Remember you got
to go back to August when it was

591
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,679
TGB Promotions, which is the company
that promotes all the PBC events. They

592
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,559
won the perspit for this fight for
like five hundred and ten thousand dollars.

593
00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:39,679
So when you win a perspit,
you're obligated to within a certain time frame

594
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,920
to put the fight on. So
they're they're kind of running out of time

595
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,239
to get this done. I mean, the WBC will cut them some slack.

596
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,760
It's not like it's like, you
know, you have to there's a

597
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,599
gun to anybody said, but they
you know, they got to get the

598
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:54,440
fight done. So I am told
by multiple sources that this fight is going

599
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,840
to wind up now as one of
the bouts that's gonna be on the paper

600
00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:02,519
you undercard of when David Benavitez takes
on to Metris Andre, which if that

601
00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:07,519
does happen again it's not deaf and
I suspect that they're going to announce that

602
00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:12,079
full undercard to the next week or
so. But if in fact, Mattias

603
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:14,280
and ergyshav is going to be on
that card, as I am told it

604
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:15,639
will be, that's a really good
addition to the show. I mean,

605
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:20,239
that's a good fight. Ergyshav is
undefeated with you know, twenty three wins,

606
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,880
twenty by knockout. He's a good
puncher and he is a good fighter.

607
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,400
And Mattias, you know, brings
his bang for your buck no matter

608
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,519
what I mean, he's exciting as
anybody. Nineteen and one all of his

609
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:30,559
wins are by knockout, So that
could be a fun shootout, and if

610
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:35,000
they add that to the card for
the diehards, that's like good value.

611
00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:37,480
You know, I was talking about
give the fans value for the money.

612
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:38,519
You know, you got a good
main event, fine, but let's see

613
00:37:38,519 --> 00:37:42,159
what you're gonna show me to get
the value up for the event. And

614
00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:44,440
if that's a fight on the card, I can, I'm I can.

615
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,119
I can deal with that. So
when I was talking before about the fights,

616
00:37:47,159 --> 00:37:51,159
you asked me about about what was
going on with figure out. So

617
00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:52,639
I'm going to give you a list. Now. These are all fights that

618
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:58,679
are either already been gone to already
have gone to per spid that PBC has

619
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,480
control of fights that have been that
everybody says they want to take place,

620
00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:07,400
that are either in some various form
of being made but don't have an official

621
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,880
home yet. And remember Showtime,
whatever happens in next year, they're running

622
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,280
out of dates for this year.
So what's left after now that the Team

623
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,239
Zoo fight is out of the you
know, is gone and that's done.

624
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,119
And that was not really a PBC
card, even though they were involved.

625
00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:23,400
They had just the main event involvement
and a fighter on the undercard with Miguel

626
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:29,440
Flores who lost in the co feature
to Sam Goodman. So you have the

627
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:35,679
Benavid's pay per view against Andreid that's
November twenty fifth, and after that,

628
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,320
you're looking at the prospect of a
championship boxing event for the network in December,

629
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:44,400
and perhaps one other pay per view. So you're looking at three events.

630
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,119
So if you figure, you know, eight televised fights on the pay

631
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:51,679
per views, maybe a couple of
prelims you'll see on like the YouTube channels

632
00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:54,519
and whatnot, and then a live
network event. You know, if it's

633
00:38:54,559 --> 00:38:57,800
going to be their last one,
maybe they blow it out and they can

634
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,760
give us three or four fights.
Who knows, certainly be a triple header

635
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,360
most likely. So all of these
fights I'm about this list off, they're

636
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,920
all, as I said in some
former fashion, on the drawing board for

637
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:12,239
PBC. You got the Mattias Ergis
Chef fight, which I just mentioned the

638
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,840
possibility of it being on that pay
per view. They have won a pers

639
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:21,400
bit for the WBA Junior lightweight title
defense mandatory between Hector Luis Garci and Lamont

640
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,760
Roach. There's the Ray Vargas figure
O fight, which I suspect could potentially

641
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,559
headline a showtime Championship Boxing card,
even though I don't know that for certain.

642
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:34,159
They want to do a rematcham Chris
Colbert and Jose Valenzuela, which was

643
00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:37,360
a somewhat of a controversial decision,
not a bad matchup. There are the

644
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:45,320
proposed fights between Arislani Laura and Danny
Garcia and Amante Stanionis and Keith Thurman,

645
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:46,719
which are two of the bouts that
I have heard. If they do with

646
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:51,199
December ninth pay per view, could
be on that show. You got Jose

647
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:57,360
Benavitez Junior probably fighting challenging Jamal Charlotte
on the Benavides card for the Middleway.

648
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,519
Tell Charlot comes back off the two
year layoff plus your layoff. Another fight

649
00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:04,360
that I reported about that I'm told
is made and it's going to be on

650
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,719
that card, which is Sergey Lipinetz
against Michelle River who's moving up to Junior

651
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,599
World to eight. And then you've
got the two other guys. I'm not

652
00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:13,960
sure if they're going to fight this
year, but I think PBC's trying to

653
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,960
figure out what to do with them
for the rest of the year. And

654
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,679
that's David Morrell, who was chronically
inactive unfortunately for a younger guy with only

655
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,519
nine pro fights who's exciting and quality. And Carlos Adamis, who is the

656
00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:29,320
WBC's intern middleweight champion, who again
has had I think just one fight this

657
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,199
year. So all those fights I
just mentioned, they're trying to figure out

658
00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:35,920
what to do with them, and
we'll see what they can do with with

659
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:42,000
very limited I'm no math major,
but we got like seventy five days or

660
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,199
so left in the year those are
It would be amazing if all of those

661
00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:49,159
can happen before the calendar years of
it sounds like to me they might be

662
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,519
part of something in January or February, whatever it is, and wherever that

663
00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:58,880
is knows. You've got I named
ten fights, and that would be four

664
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,039
fights on another paper review, three
fights on show Time, and three additional

665
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:07,000
fights on a pay per view other
than the Benavide's Andre made event. So

666
00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:09,559
it's doable, but who knows.
I mean, they got a lot of

667
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,400
you know. And this is all
the reason why I'm talking about this is

668
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,679
because it's all to the backdrop of
the likelihood that Showtime is no longer going

669
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:21,679
to be doing at least non pay
per view boxing as PBC is out there

670
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,400
shopping the marketplace looking for a new
home. So stay tuned, stay tuned,

671
00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:28,920
and you will be all over it
as you are. There one more

672
00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:34,079
news item speaking of Jamal Charlow hanging
on to the WBC belt since, like

673
00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:38,039
the Ronald Reagan administration, the WBC
has decided that McWilliams Arroyo is no longer

674
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:43,480
their interim flyweight champ. Right,
that is correct, and that was a

675
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:49,000
that was something that made sense for
them to strip him because Royo and the

676
00:41:49,079 --> 00:41:52,519
full champion, Julio Cesar Martinez,
who had a tremendous battle for two rounds

677
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:59,320
in their first meeting, and that
ended prematurely due to a headbutt that caused

678
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,559
it to becoming no contest. You
know, they've been scheduled. I lost

679
00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:07,119
count. I mean it's really I
mean said five times? Is it six

680
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:10,400
times? So I now recall correctly
that they had it set and one of

681
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,920
them got COVID nineteen. Then they
had it set again and the other one

682
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,960
got COVID nineteen. That's at least
there's COVID one times out of the five.

683
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:22,760
I think there's COVID. There's injuries, there's other reasons. There's I

684
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:23,840
don't know the one with a visa. I mean, there's just been a

685
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:28,559
thousand different things. I mean,
it's just it's ridiculous. Uh. You

686
00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:34,239
know, Arroyo has not fought since
they had their first fight, and at

687
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,599
least at least with Martinez, he's
had like, you know, three times.

688
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:38,719
Two of them were defenses. He
had the fight where he jumped up

689
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:43,880
and lost to Chocolate Tito Gonzalez.
But uh, you know, these guys

690
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,119
have been in position to fight each
other forever, it feels like. And

691
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:51,559
they were supposed to fight on one
of the Canelo undercards in Mexico when he

692
00:42:51,559 --> 00:42:55,599
fought John Ryder. It didn't happen, so so Martinez ended up fighting a

693
00:42:55,599 --> 00:43:00,440
different opponent. Bottom line was this
was a fight that that Eddie rean Oso's

694
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,239
company had won at a PERSPID.
It was another one of these fights that

695
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,679
was going to probably land on a
PBC card as part of sort of the

696
00:43:05,679 --> 00:43:08,000
fact that now Canello was working with
PBC, so you know, to kind

697
00:43:08,039 --> 00:43:10,000
of do Eddie a salad. They
were going to put this fight on one

698
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:15,599
of their shows, but Arroyo apparently
this is according to the WBC's announcement,

699
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:20,039
their statement that they were supposed to
fight again in December. As a result

700
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:22,519
of that, Perspid and Arroyo just
refused to do it, so they stripped

701
00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:25,880
into the title. So my upshot
of this is, as I always say,

702
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,519
I'm glad that we're down. We're
actually now down two interim titles in

703
00:43:30,559 --> 00:43:35,440
this weekend because Mendoza loses out on
the on the on the interim title of

704
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,440
the WBC at one fifty four.
Not that I was rooting for him to

705
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,119
lose, but that's a result of
what happened in Arroyo. He doesn't want

706
00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:42,960
to fight. To fight, then
you don't get to keep your title.

707
00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:46,280
So that's two WBC intern titles gone
this weekend, and we're getting there so

708
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,679
we're not going to have too many
of these left, hopefully soon. All

709
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,280
Right, nostalgia time before we say
goodbye here to end up off this weekend

710
00:43:55,320 --> 00:44:00,000
and start a new week. Eight
years ago, Tuesday one, Dan Rayfield

711
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:06,440
was ringside at the Godden in New
York City doubleheader involving Triple G and speaking

712
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,960
of Choco Latito, Choco Latito as
well, what do you remember? Tell

713
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:14,519
me more about this? Well,
for a while, I mean, was

714
00:44:14,559 --> 00:44:19,559
there anything more exciting in boxing then? Like the you know, it's like

715
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,559
pick a great batting order in a
baseball game, like you got you know,

716
00:44:23,679 --> 00:44:27,280
Ruth and Garrig in the lineup,
or you know, pick whoever it

717
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:31,119
is. You know, you had
a Tom Lofer who was promoting them in

718
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:36,719
HBO that was televising them, making
them like the tag team like Batman and

719
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,199
Robin in a sense where you got
Donadi Glovkin in the main event and you

720
00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:44,360
got Chocolate with Theo Gonzalez on the
undercard, both pound for pound guys,

721
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,960
both super exciting, both world champions, you know, both willing to fight

722
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,880
anybody. And so this was the
first time that they matched them together like

723
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,679
this on a pay per view and
it was a you know, a very

724
00:44:55,679 --> 00:45:00,320
significant show because you had Triple G
in a unification fight, which she had

725
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,760
been desperate for. Uh. He
fought David Lemieux to unify two of the

726
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:07,360
titles the uh the uh doub well, actually two and a half titles,

727
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:12,440
let's call it. Because Gluffkin at
the time, he was the he had

728
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,320
the w BA title, but he
also was the WBC's interim champion. Uh.

729
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,400
They worked that out in an unusual
manner, and of course, let

730
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,800
me you had the IBF title,
and it was perceived as a very good

731
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,920
matchup going in let me was a
devastating puncher, uh and obviously Triple G

732
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,679
obviously he had a devastating puncher.
They did the fight at Madison Square Gardens,

733
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,840
so it brought that to the four
because there's such a halo and historical

734
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,440
venue. And then on the on
the co feature yet Chocolate Tito Gonzales,

735
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:42,360
you know, in a very solid
quality flyweight title defense against Brian Valori,

736
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,039
who was in the news again this
weekend, by the way, because he

737
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:49,079
was a new trainer for janebec after
he split up with Buddy mcgert. So,

738
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,480
but we got to go back a
few years when Brian was still boxing

739
00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:54,840
at a high level in the flyweight
division, and ultimately both the Glufkin and

740
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:59,280
Roman Gonzales won by stoppages and an
exciting show. And you know, they

741
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,239
they went on to to be on
the same cards together. As a matter

742
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:06,320
of fact, even when they were
on separate events in different locations, HBO

743
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,800
was still captain together. I mean, I remember I traveled to the UK

744
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:14,440
to London to cover Ganadi Golovkin against
kel Brook in the Middleway Title of Defense,

745
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,119
and on the same night, but
in California, he had Roman Gonzales

746
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:22,480
headlining against Quadras in a one hundred
and fifteen pound world title fight. So

747
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:27,480
even on separate continents, in separate
venues, on separate events, they were

748
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:30,559
still televised. You know what they
call a split site double header, where

749
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:34,480
HBO was showing both fights but from
different locations, so they split up their

750
00:46:34,639 --> 00:46:38,679
broadcast teams, but Triple G and
Roman Gonzaz together on a show. Those

751
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,519
were the good old days, and
to some people that was fantastic. I

752
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,679
absolutely loved when that happened. I
covered those events just as much fun and

753
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:51,480
excitement as you could get. It
was sort of like the battle between is

754
00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:54,440
Gonalovkin number one pound for pound is
Roman Gonzales number one pound for pound.

755
00:46:55,119 --> 00:47:00,719
They were both great with the press
and it was just an absolute pleasure to

756
00:47:01,039 --> 00:47:06,920
deal with and see in their primes, two future Hall of Famers do their

757
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,599
thing together on the same show.
And they were big time punchers too.

758
00:47:09,679 --> 00:47:12,920
You know, when you think about
all time tag teams, you're talking about

759
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,480
Ruth and Garrig, you're talking about
Nikolai Volkoff and your Manchiky baby, the

760
00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:21,400
iron chic you're talking about Travis Kelcey
and Taylor Swift. I mean for tag

761
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:28,760
teams while we're just going to all
right. Also on the nostalgia, it

762
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:34,840
was fifteen years ago Wednesday, Bernard
Hopkins and Kelly Pavlick, and you were

763
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,760
ringside. Of course you were for
this one as well. Tell me some

764
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,679
more be nostalgic with me one more
time, real quick. This was very

765
00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:45,079
memorable for a lot of different reasons, not the least of which is that

766
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:49,119
when you look at the great career
of Bernard Hopkins, he has, you

767
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:53,199
know, he has a few different
fights that were considered at the time huge

768
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:59,320
upsets that I'm not going to allow
anybody to Monday Morning quarterback this. Anybody

769
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,960
who doesn't that Pavlock losing to Hopkins
wasn't an upset does not know what they

770
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,440
were talking about. Because when it
was made at the time, even though

771
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,960
the fight was done at a catchweight
of one hundred and what seventy pounds I

772
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:15,360
believe it was, yeah, one
hundred and seventy pounds, Pablock was moving

773
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,119
up, he was middleweight champion,
and Bernard, who had been fighting in

774
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:22,559
his previous few fights, at light
heavyweight was coming down a little bit.

775
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:25,880
He was considered an old man at
that time. Pavlock was fresh and looked

776
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,960
strong. Everybody considered Pablock to be
a huge favorite in that fight. Bernard

777
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:36,039
also was calming off of a split
decision loss to Joe Kaalzaggi that cost him

778
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:38,760
the lineal title at light heavyweight.
Another fight that I was at, I

779
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,800
actually and I was not alone.
There were several of us at ringside in

780
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,599
the Hopkins Kazaki fight that took place
at the Thomas and Next Center in Las

781
00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:50,679
Vegas that we had Bernard winning a
very close fight. It turned out that

782
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,960
it was Kaalzaggi that was awarded the
very close split decision victory in that fight.

783
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,800
But nonetheless, Bernard was coming off
of a loss and then his comeback

784
00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:00,360
fight on HBO pay per view.
He was taken on Kelly Pavlck in Atlantic

785
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,880
City, where Bernard, obviously he
was from nearby Philadelphia, public had started

786
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,639
to establish himself in Atlantic City,
having had fought there before, having won

787
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:10,079
the title there and super exciting fashion
against Jermaine Taylor. So this was like

788
00:49:10,119 --> 00:49:15,159
a big time event when it happened, and uh, everything was going good

789
00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:17,920
for pablic until the bell rang,
and then Bernard Hopkins, who has done

790
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:22,760
this before. Remember he delivered a
beatdown of Felix Trinidad in what was considered

791
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,320
it a huge upset to become undisputed
champion in the middleway division. He did

792
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,920
the same thing in terms of delivering
a beat down one sided ass whooping where

793
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,719
he scored a knockdown against Antonio Tarvar
when he went from one sixty to one

794
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:37,599
seventy five Tarvor. And I must
say I've had a few good picks on

795
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:43,639
my day that picking Bernard over Tarvor
was one of them that was also considered

796
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,079
upset. And then there was this
fight. So he's got the three significant,

797
00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:51,800
significant fights that he won as a
big underdog, and the one against

798
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,400
Kelly Pablick was not just like he
eked it out or he barely won.

799
00:49:54,639 --> 00:49:59,159
He didn't score the knockout, but
he took him to school one seventeen one

800
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,159
oh nine, one night eineteen one
six one eighteen oneh eight, a comprehensive

801
00:50:02,159 --> 00:50:07,239
ass whooping. Public was befuddled,
public had no idea what was going on?

802
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,000
Uh. And the thing I remember
most specifically that that was two things

803
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,119
When the fight was over, and
you can see it on the HBO broadcast,

804
00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:17,360
the the professor in Bernard Hopkins came
out and he went to Kelly Pablock,

805
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:22,639
who was obviously devastated by this ass
kicking, and he basically gave us

806
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,480
a pep talk and said, listen, you know you're still young, You're

807
00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:28,360
so great, you can come back. And he basically was giving him like

808
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,719
the fatherly teacher like professor like,
you know, don't let you, don't

809
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:37,280
let let him get you down.
You'll be back, you know. And

810
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,639
I think Kelly, we really appreciated
that. The other thing that I remember

811
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:44,360
very specifically is after he won that
fight, because all the media had picked

812
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,519
against him, of course, and
Bernard Hopkins never could let a fight go

813
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,760
without having a chip on his shoulder
about something. Often it was we in

814
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,400
the media. Uh. He came
to the ring side, are you know,

815
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,239
to the to the ring ropes,
and he looked down into press row

816
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:02,159
and he stared at all of us, and he specifically specifically stared me dead

817
00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:07,400
in the eye for like twenty seconds, like and and if I could read

818
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,440
his mind, he was like,
you know, you dirty motherfucker picking against

819
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,599
me again. You know because that
that I mean, Bernard and I are

820
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:17,199
pool. Now we actually have a
friendship that has long gone past his boxing

821
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,880
days. I considered Bernard her friend
these days. But at that time we

822
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,920
definitely had a lot of ups and
downs. And he stared out at the

823
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,920
media, the media guys including myself, like how do you like me?

824
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,880
Now? He had the quivering lip
like he was gonna cry, arms folded

825
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:35,199
like basically telling us how to go
fuck ourselves. I just took another one

826
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,320
of you know, your favorites and
then kicked his ass, and you know

827
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,599
what, credit to him. He
did the job and it was a very

828
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:43,559
memorable night. Now you'll be proud
of me because I remember when you're going

829
00:51:43,559 --> 00:51:46,519
over these nostalgia things and I connect
gods very well. Was this before or

830
00:51:46,679 --> 00:51:50,800
was this later on that you went
out with him after the big win and

831
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,719
he had the cheesecake? Was the
cheesecake story before this fifteen? No,

832
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:59,760
this was way before that. This
is this is when he'd beat So eventually

833
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:04,840
it was broken piece between Rayfield and
Bernard Hopkins. After this nostalgia this piece

834
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,840
here in and we weren't all the
things you were out for the cheese cake

835
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,599
let me give you let me give
you the brief Timeline. Bernard and I

836
00:52:10,679 --> 00:52:15,199
were always cool when he defeated William, when he defeated Felix Trinidad, and

837
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:19,079
he threw oh and he went kind
of crazy. His ego got bigger than

838
00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:22,239
the moon, and he dumped Lou
de Bella, who got on the chance.

839
00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:24,320
He dumped Bowie Fisher, his longtime
trainer who had helped him get to

840
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:29,880
the Promised Land, and he threw
him over after the victory over Trinidad.

841
00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:32,320
And I wrote something in USA Today
about it and got kind of called about

842
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:36,280
it, and Bernard then did not
speak to me for like three and a

843
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,760
half years. And I've said this
before. We would be on conference calls

844
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,119
and he would know I was on
the call, and he would insult me.

845
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,840
We'd be in a scrum, met
up at a workout or at the

846
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,480
fight, and he would like,
talk about me, but not look at

847
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,760
me. I mean, it was
ridiculous. And he did the same thing

848
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,800
to Tim Smith also, who was
at the time the boxing writer for the

849
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,559
New York Daily News, to where
there was definitely some issues. The piece

850
00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:00,960
was brokered in late two thousand and
four before he out Oscar de la Hoya

851
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:04,599
when I was writing a major story
for USA Today, and I had been

852
00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:07,920
perfectly content to not interview or talk
to Bernard Hopkins because, as I said

853
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,679
to him later, I said,
you didn't want to talk to me,

854
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,599
but I was pissed you didn't want
to talk to you either, you know

855
00:53:12,639 --> 00:53:15,719
whatever. But when it came time
to deal with the Oscar fight, I

856
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,000
was doing a piece that I was
assigned to do and I could have kind

857
00:53:17,039 --> 00:53:20,360
of got I could have done it
without talking to him, but I kind

858
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,280
of needed to interview it. So
his publicist, Kelly Swanson, whose company

859
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:28,840
handles all the PVC media these days, Swanse Communications, and Kelly and I

860
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,079
had been friendly for a number of
years, ever since I started. I

861
00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:35,079
spoke to her, and you know, she basically thought we were both acting

862
00:53:35,079 --> 00:53:37,960
like knuckleheads. So she got us
both on a phone call that was like

863
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,440
the peace call, and we had
it all out. We got it out

864
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,199
in the open, and Bernard and
I settled our differences. This is September

865
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,920
or August of two thousand and four
before he fought Oscar. So now he

866
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:51,079
goes through he fights that the two
Jermaine Taylor fights. He you know,

867
00:53:51,159 --> 00:53:54,760
he loses those fights, but we
were back on speaking terms. I picked

868
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,239
him into Carver fight, which he
knew about. He loved that. Obviously

869
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:00,800
I covered the fight with win.
He right, that was everything was cool

870
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:05,920
with that. And now he also
has the Kala Zaggi fight, which again

871
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:07,119
not because I was trying to kiss
his ass, but I had him winning

872
00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:10,559
the fight. So I'm now on
Bernard's like good list because I'm one of

873
00:54:10,599 --> 00:54:14,239
the guys that thought he won the
fight. Now he goes into the Pablock

874
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,079
fight, which is what we're talking
about, but he's still, for whatever

875
00:54:17,079 --> 00:54:20,480
reason, always had a chip on
his shoulder because I was picking Pablock,

876
00:54:20,519 --> 00:54:23,480
as were everybody else You've been picking
in for four years at this point after

877
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,320
the broker phone call. But that's
Bernard. I mean, he always we

878
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,599
talked about it to this day.
He always had to have something to motivate

879
00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:32,880
himself outside of just the boxing stuff, and most of the time it was

880
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,280
immedia related thing because he felt like, you know, the way to motivate

881
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,599
himself was to like have you know, enemies, and we were like,

882
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:44,119
like we were the straw man if
you will. So that fight happened in

883
00:54:44,119 --> 00:54:46,039
two thousand and eight and the fight
you're talking about where he went out after

884
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:49,800
the fight where he scored the historic
victor and had the cheesecake. This is

885
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,639
when he became the oldest boxer to
win a world title in twenty eleven,

886
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:57,360
when I was there ringside when he
beat John Pascal in their rematch in Montreal.

887
00:54:57,639 --> 00:55:00,239
And it was after that twenty eleven
fight, along with the gold Boy

888
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,920
crew and a few others, and
we were at some you know, some

889
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,280
diner type restaurant in Montreal at two
o'clock in the morning and Bernard, you

890
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:12,639
know, who never cheats on his
diet or does anything, and even ordered

891
00:55:12,679 --> 00:55:15,320
health food when we were either where
else is having burgers and pizzas. He

892
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,760
finally broke down at the end of
that dinner and had a piece of cheesecake,

893
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:22,079
which I snapped the famous picture the
guy like the gazillion views on social

894
00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:24,559
media. But there's your timeline of
my back and forth with Bernard, and

895
00:55:24,639 --> 00:55:28,880
he'd always been pulled ever since,
you know, you've brokened it and the

896
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,159
piece has been made, and even
cheesecake was involved at one point when by

897
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:35,119
the way, I mean, I
know this wasn't as the official nostalgia,

898
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,559
But November October fifteenth, twenty eleven, so that's how many years ago,

899
00:55:39,559 --> 00:55:46,000
that's what today's years ago. So
he had the no contest against Chad Dawson

900
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,960
in Los Angeles, which I also
was at, which was the fight where

901
00:55:50,039 --> 00:55:52,159
Chad Dawson, who looked like he
was gonna whip his ass that night,

902
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,920
after a round and a half or
so, threw him down and Bernard said

903
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:00,280
he hurt his shoulder, and they
called it a no contest. A lot

904
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:01,559
of people said he was doing it
on purpose to get out of the fight

905
00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:05,599
because he knew it was going to
be a rough night, and I was

906
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:07,400
like, I wasn't really sure what
to make of it. Uh. Later

907
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:12,280
that evening, after the fight,
I went to Bernard Hopkins's hotel suite.

908
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,800
I was in the same hotel as
him, where he was with a couple

909
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,639
of his guys and and also Kelly
Swanson, his publicist, and and I

910
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:22,039
was invited in to talk to him. And I came away from that conversation

911
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:25,320
after spending some time there that this
was a legitimate injury because I looked at

912
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:29,199
the fuck hers shoulder and this fucking
bone was like sticking out of his shoulder,

913
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,159
and he showed me his medical report
from the doctor, and you know,

914
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,679
I saw the pictures. He was
starre with a big giant ice pack,

915
00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:37,639
and uh, you know, I
have a lot of history with Bernard

916
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:40,719
Hopkins, but that that fight was
not something I wanted to bring up on

917
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,960
the on the on the nostalgia,
because there's nothing really memorable other than me

918
00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:46,960
seeing the bone sticking out of his
shoulder after the fight in his hotel room

919
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,800
at two o'clock in the morning.
You've seen it all, from bone sticking

920
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:55,119
out cheesecake. You've seen it all
with Bernard, with the executioner h and

921
00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:59,239
by the way, saying that I
still haven't gotten a word in eduwise with

922
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,440
Bernard. Well, but I mean
you said that, and they're they're athletes

923
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:07,800
throughout history that always had to be
pissed at everybody. John McEnroe had to

924
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,960
be pissed at the line judge,
at the opponent. In tennis, at

925
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:14,159
the media, at everybody to play
better. Michael Jordan was mad at his

926
00:57:14,199 --> 00:57:16,360
own teammates, mad at the opponents, mad at the refs because he's one

927
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:21,760
of the all time greats at the
buccaneer, at the Buccaneer game earlier today.

928
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,599
Warren Sapp was there and he did
the hype video right before the Bucks

929
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:30,239
came running on the field of the
Creamsicle Orange. Sap had to be mad

930
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,599
at everybody. He was mad at
his teammates, the opponents, brat Farv,

931
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,119
the media, all of it.
It's it seemed to make him play

932
00:57:37,159 --> 00:57:42,159
better to be surly towards people.
There you go, Yeah, I don't

933
00:57:42,159 --> 00:57:44,599
have to go into all the details
because we've discussed Anybody who wants to know

934
00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:46,679
can certainly google it. But some
might say, uh, maybe I got

935
00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:52,960
my revenge joking on Bernard because I'm
the one that gave him his final opponent

936
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:58,599
in our breakfast in London, our
brainstorm matchmaking session that he wanted to talk

937
00:57:58,639 --> 00:58:00,880
to me about who we should find
from Joe Smith, who then knocked him

938
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:06,320
out of the ring and ended his
career. So that's that was another part

939
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,119
of our relationship. And so now
you're back on ice and you're not allowed

940
00:58:08,159 --> 00:58:13,760
to be there for cheesecake after that. How we're good with that? Speaking

941
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,239
of good, I think we're good
on the recaps, on the news,

942
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:22,239
on the nostalgia. There we go
another weekend in the books, and we've

943
00:58:22,239 --> 00:58:25,840
done a good job of bringing the
peeps a lot here on this program.

944
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,599
I think anything else in closing or
are we done well, I'll just do

945
00:58:29,639 --> 00:58:35,079
a little tease for our show next
week on Friday. You know we're gonna

946
00:58:35,079 --> 00:58:37,199
have right or Thursday going into from
Are you planning on doing Go ahead,

947
00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:39,920
because I know you've got several things
in the can. You're like Movies Studio

948
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:44,000
to stock up all the movies for
the summer. Go no, No.

949
00:58:44,039 --> 00:58:46,199
We will have our interview with Amanda
Serrano one week before she fights on October

950
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:51,039
twenty seventh, so we'll play that
interview on Friday's show. I love that

951
00:58:51,159 --> 00:58:54,239
she talks a lot about and anytime
Amanda fights, it's news because she's one

952
00:58:54,239 --> 00:58:58,360
of the best female boxers in the
world and a future Hall of Famer and

953
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,559
all kinds of different things. But
particularly as it relates to this upcoming title

954
00:59:01,599 --> 00:59:05,880
fight she has against Ramos, is
the fact that the two women, along

955
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,679
with the Florida Commission, I've agreed
to allow the match to be a a

956
00:59:08,719 --> 00:59:13,239
twelve round championship fight, where our
women's fights typically and title fights are ten

957
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,760
rounds. And in addition to being
a twelve on and Fight. The rounds

958
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:17,519
will be three minutes long instead of
two minutes long. So we spoke quite

959
00:59:17,519 --> 00:59:21,039
a bit about that, and she's
very proud of that and she's looking forward

960
00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:23,639
to it. There's a tease Hall
of Fame tees that's later in a week.

961
00:59:23,639 --> 00:59:28,280
You'll hear from Amanda Serrano about all
of those things here on the program.

962
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,079
To that end, make sure you're
following or subscribing on this podcast feed

963
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:34,639
you get the Fight Freaks U night
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964
00:59:34,679 --> 00:59:37,119
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965
00:59:37,239 --> 00:59:40,760
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966
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,119
on Big Fight Weekend dot Com.
With that, my friend, have a

967
00:59:44,159 --> 00:59:47,679
good week. We appreciate it as
always, I thank you very much and

968
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,039
hopefully I'll be in a good and
good win. This night is over because

969
00:59:51,079 --> 00:59:53,360
the Giants will have won their game. They're winning at the moment. Details

970
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:57,559
and confirmation to follow on whether they
follow through. You'll know that answer as

971
00:59:57,639 --> 01:00:00,599
Sunday becomes Monday. In the meantime, merely TJ Reeves, thank you for

972
01:00:00,679 --> 01:00:06,119
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