1 00:00:18,559 --> 00:00:21,879 Hello, and welcome to Federalist where you our. My name's Tristanjustice and I'm 2 00:00:21,879 --> 00:00:25,199 the Western correspondent for the Federalists. And joining me today is one of my 3 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:30,960 dear colleagues, Eva Duffy. Eva, how are you doing? Doing good? 4 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,600 So we're going to talk about nutrition and health on this podcast. It's 5 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:43,240 actually a podcast at our colleagues requested because we're always talking about nutrition. Exercise 6 00:00:43,359 --> 00:00:47,439 is just our different routines and how to live as healthy and long life as 7 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:52,119 possible. So, Eva, there seems to be something wrong in our country 8 00:00:52,119 --> 00:00:55,399 when it comes to our food supply, when it comes to the amount of 9 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:02,799 environmental toxins that are we're currently living in seventy percent of the countries are away. 10 00:01:03,439 --> 00:01:07,680 Forty two percent of the country is categoric movies. Something's not working. 11 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:14,400 And so you live a healthy lifestyle up in Wisconsin. UM, tell me, 12 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,000 what are the some of the things that kind of you've observed as you've 13 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:23,319 seen America's ABCD epidemic kind of continue to swell, and how that's motivated you 14 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:30,319 to keep healthy habits and healthy lifestyle well. Growing up my parents executing. 15 00:01:30,439 --> 00:01:36,159 My mom was always very health conscious. We went to the local co op 16 00:01:36,359 --> 00:01:41,280 we I brought school lunches. I always had the food that you know, 17 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:46,359 I was always envisa everybody else in their white bread and you know, peanut 18 00:01:46,359 --> 00:01:49,840 butter and jelly with like Cheetos on the side. And I had like this 19 00:01:49,879 --> 00:01:53,000 whole grain stuff and had like fresh fruit, but that kind of didn't taste 20 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,000 as good once it's been sitting in your lunchbox for a long time. But 21 00:01:57,239 --> 00:02:00,879 I think growing up that way really made me think about food a lot more 22 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:06,439 than I think other people did, and want to build healthy habits at a 23 00:02:06,439 --> 00:02:08,439 young age. So I think I just wanted to off the bat say how 24 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:15,759 important it is to be starting these habits and caring about nutrition for your children 25 00:02:15,439 --> 00:02:19,560 when they're really young. I think that was huge. And when I went 26 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,439 off to college and there's the freshman fifteen, I actually lost weight because I 27 00:02:23,479 --> 00:02:27,039 was walking everywhere, because I was biking all the time, and because I 28 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,639 was really thinking about what I was putting in my body. And you have 29 00:02:29,719 --> 00:02:31,759 to do that because, like you said, Tristan, there are so many 30 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:37,479 toxins in our foods and our laundry detergent and the soaps that we use, 31 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,800 and it can be hard to keep track of, but if you really care 32 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:44,159 about longevity and the way that you feel, these things are important to be 33 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,120 thinking about and to be conscious of. So I've always sort of been health 34 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,560 conscious, but something that I think we're going to have a little bit of 35 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:55,479 a discussion about is what's the best nutritional diet. And we may have some 36 00:02:55,520 --> 00:03:00,199 competing ideas, But I've actually been animal based for a while, which means 37 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:04,639 I eat fruits, a lot of fresh fruits, UM, raw dairy. 38 00:03:05,039 --> 00:03:10,960 I have sometimes low temp low UH non pasteurized cream from whole foods UM, 39 00:03:12,039 --> 00:03:15,479 and then a lot of meat, preferably if it's chickens soy free, soy 40 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:20,759 and corn free, and then for beef, grass fed, grass finished UM. 41 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,280 And I found that that's been really amazing for me, the high protein 42 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:29,520 intake UM in helping with some iron deficiencies that I had, UM, not 43 00:03:29,599 --> 00:03:32,879 being cold as often. There was a lot of really amazing effects UM that 44 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:38,560 I sort of recently have have found from from really going high protein, which 45 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:43,639 has been interesting because you know, in our current culture there's a real push 46 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:49,080 against eating meat. But I'm really curious to think how you feel about having 47 00:03:49,319 --> 00:03:54,199 having a steak or a burger, no bun um with almost every single meal 48 00:03:54,599 --> 00:04:00,520 um that you have. I'm really curious what your thoughts are on not one 49 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:05,039 of the most delicious steaks last night cooked by one of our readers down in 50 00:04:05,159 --> 00:04:10,719 Lone Tree, Colorado. Last night steak is an absolute favorite meal, and 51 00:04:10,759 --> 00:04:14,039 that's coming from someone who was vegan for a month two years ago. But 52 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,160 we can talk about that. I want to talk first a little bit more 53 00:04:16,199 --> 00:04:20,920 about your kind of habits growing up. You said your parents really instilled a 54 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:25,560 healthy lifestyle growing up, and so you always went to school with healthier options, 55 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,680 and your peer is sitting across from you with you know, peanup and 56 00:04:28,759 --> 00:04:33,720 jelly sandwiches, cheetos, chips. I cannot imagine eating the way I did 57 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:40,680 in middle school today. I mean just as a high car low fat diet, 58 00:04:40,759 --> 00:04:46,560 peanutver and jelly, just full of sugars and and all these artificial ingredients. 59 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:51,839 But the sad reality is that millions of Americans still eat that way today 60 00:04:51,879 --> 00:04:56,639 and that is a large part of consequence of you know, government guidelines we 61 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,839 had for the better part of five decades that promoted this, uh, this 62 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:04,279 high carb, low fat diet. The science was completely one eighty on this 63 00:05:04,439 --> 00:05:10,199 our Remember we had the food pyramid still in elementary schools, they were promoting 64 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,720 this idea of you know, bread should be the biggest staple in your diet, 65 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,079 especially you know these these these white breads and pastas, and you know, 66 00:05:19,199 --> 00:05:23,839 the item's really high on the on the glycemic index UM. And of 67 00:05:23,879 --> 00:05:27,120 course, you know children today are a lot of them are still eating like 68 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,639 that, even though we've had minor reforms to the food pyramid and our guidelines. 69 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,160 I think the FDA took a big step forward last ball with plans to 70 00:05:34,199 --> 00:05:39,560 redefine healthy UM. They want to take off saturated fats and raise salmon as 71 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,959 a healthier option than items like cereal UM and so. But I think it's 72 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,079 interesting that you brought up how you ate in school, UM, because we 73 00:05:47,199 --> 00:05:51,720 have in obcit crisis. And it's not just a crisis among adults. It's 74 00:05:51,759 --> 00:05:58,319 a crisis among our next generation. More than anybody else right now, m 75 00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:03,680 one in five children our categoric movies. There was a team of researchers at 76 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:10,240 Harvard who found who calculated they estimate half the entire country is going to be 77 00:06:10,519 --> 00:06:15,519 categorically obese by the end of the decade. That estimate came four months before 78 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,759 COVID hit, and the fact is a whole lot more Americans gained a lot 79 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:27,279 more weight during lockdowns, when we our government just impose sententary lifestyles on us 80 00:06:27,439 --> 00:06:30,360 shut down gems, when COVID really should have been a wake up call to 81 00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:33,240 this crisis, considering that eighty percent of people who are hospitalized with COVID were 82 00:06:33,959 --> 00:06:42,720 at least overweight or obese. But COVID did a lot of damage, especially 83 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,639 for our children. The rate of type two diabetes doubled among children during lockdowns. 84 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:54,759 Children's BMIs doubled under lockdowns, or as our life expecsioncy continues to decline, 85 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:59,680 it's supposed to decline even more in the coming decades. Children today was 86 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,360 just I was just reading this book by doctor Mark Himan, and he outline 87 00:07:02,399 --> 00:07:06,480 some of the data on this. The average child born today will live five 88 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:13,720 years fewer than their parents. Four children today will live ten twenty years lower 89 00:07:13,759 --> 00:07:19,959 than their parents. And so that is such an indictment of our current food 90 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:25,800 supply and our approach to health the path better part of the last really century. 91 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,759 But back to how you ate in school, that probably primed you to 92 00:07:30,879 --> 00:07:33,439 live the way you do today, because it's a lot harder to unlearn these 93 00:07:33,439 --> 00:07:36,800 healthy habits and it is to practice them from an early age. I mean, 94 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:42,000 your parents did such a service to you by in stealing those values early 95 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,600 on. Well, absolutely, and I'm so grateful to them for that. 96 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,839 I really like the point that you made just about the increase and obesity, 97 00:07:50,959 --> 00:07:56,600 right, I mean in the predictions, because with modern medicine, you'd think 98 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,319 that people are just going to be getting healthier, that longevity is to be 99 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:05,399 an even bigger thing, and instead you're seeing people become less healthy. And 100 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:09,680 I saw an interesting study I'm not sure if it's been collaborated a few times 101 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:15,120 or not, but that the calorie intake from people in the nineteen sixties and 102 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:20,079 seventies versus now has not actually changed very much, right, And you always 103 00:08:20,079 --> 00:08:24,000 you know you you know that you put on more weight it depending on the 104 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,480 amount of calories intake. So you could you could eat salads all day long 105 00:08:28,639 --> 00:08:33,200 and gain weight because it has more calories or whatever you were eating before, 106 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:37,759 is what we all think. But if the calories are if the calorie intake 107 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,120 is the same, and people now are gaining weight, we have this din 108 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,440 obesity crisis. What's the cause. And I think a lot of people have 109 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:50,279 pointed to high processed foods and the chemicals that we're putting inside them. That's 110 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:56,480 actually so, it's so contrary to our biology that's causing people to react in 111 00:08:56,519 --> 00:09:01,240 these horrible ways to gain weight and to be more to be sick. Really, 112 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,840 and I think we have to really have to focus on that because the 113 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:09,200 food perramid is interesting. Science is always changing, people always have different ideas, 114 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,679 and I think there are special interests involved in that too. But I 115 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:16,440 will say that not all bread is bad for you. I like to eat 116 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,480 a really high protein diet. I like to keep certain things out. I'm 117 00:09:18,519 --> 00:09:22,799 not somebody who says I will never eat bread. What I do say is 118 00:09:22,919 --> 00:09:26,679 I won't eat the ultra processed bread, right, I make it myself at 119 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:31,360 home if I'm going to eat bread, because I can't trust what these companies 120 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,799 are putting in my food. There are tons of stories of people who go 121 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,480 on vacation to a lie or to France, and they have a lot more 122 00:09:39,519 --> 00:09:43,840 regulations on food there. They also have different values than we do in the 123 00:09:43,919 --> 00:09:48,240 United States, and they'll go and they'll eat just as much bread and pasta 124 00:09:48,399 --> 00:09:50,600 and pastries. If not more then they do in the States, and they'll 125 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:56,440 lose weight and they'll feel better. And we have to ask ourselves what are 126 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,320 the ingredients? And I think at this point we just can't trust the food 127 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:05,639 industry. Um. They the labels aren't indicators of how healthy, how healthy 128 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,080 something is, right, I think, Um, it's a red dye, 129 00:10:09,279 --> 00:10:13,799 is a natural flavoring. Natural flavoring means means nothing, right, it doesn't 130 00:10:13,879 --> 00:10:18,559 doesn't mean anything, So you can they lie about the Latin the labels. 131 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,799 They put things in there that make the food addictive, that make us fat, 132 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:28,039 that make us sick. Um. And I just I think with the 133 00:10:28,039 --> 00:10:33,519 real problem for a lot of people then is how do we balance eating food 134 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,879 um from from the store if we don't have time to be constantly in the 135 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,279 kitchen ourselves interest. I want to ask you that if somebody wants to avoid 136 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:46,480 the ultra processed food UM, and they don't want to have an uber restricted 137 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,320 diet where they only you know, fruit that is insulated with no pesticides on 138 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,559 the outside, right, so no berries, and you're only eating grass fed 139 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,679 grass finished beep, but you have to cook it all day and you might 140 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,919 have to tackle the launch, like how do people um to people meal prepped 141 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,240 in a way that's sustainable for the work life that most of us have. 142 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:09,840 We first, I want to talk a little more about calories you mentioned now, 143 00:11:11,039 --> 00:11:13,320 our calorie intake isn't all that different from I think you said a couple 144 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:18,200 of decades ago. I actually think we need to kill the calorie um. 145 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,799 I don't think calories food labels really don't tell us a ton um. The 146 00:11:22,919 --> 00:11:26,639 reality is our diet comes down to whether it's processed or un processed. And 147 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,919 so you can have you know, breads and process all you want, as 148 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,799 long as it's really not processed because there's so much you know, it just 149 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,200 also just bread. This book by doctor Robert Lusting Metabolical, and what it 150 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,519 comes down to it's it's not what's in the food, it's what's done to 151 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:46,519 the food. And if it's processed, it's poisoned. And that's especially true 152 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:52,799 for different types of process breads. If it doesn't go bad after a few 153 00:11:52,879 --> 00:11:54,919 days, there's a good chance its preserves in there that are probably killing your 154 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,960 gut. And it might not kill you right away. It's not acutely boys, 155 00:12:01,399 --> 00:12:05,200 but it'll kill you over thirty years, because then you get chronic disease. 156 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:09,759 You're you developmentabolic dysfunction, and of course it leads to chronic disease. 157 00:12:09,879 --> 00:12:16,720 And the reality is chronic disease today is through the root. Sixty percent of 158 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,200 our calories in the United States come from from ultra processed foods. Every ten 159 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:26,879 percent increase of ultra process food in your diet raises your risk of death by 160 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:31,679 fourteen percent. Ninety percent of Americans are deficient and at least one or more 161 00:12:31,759 --> 00:12:35,720 nutrients. And so you know, as we continue to escalate our consumption of 162 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,159 processed food, we're only just killing ourselves over time. And that's you know, 163 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,639 the key reason why life expectancy is coming down. And it's not just 164 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:48,120 that we're not living as long anymore, we're not living as well anymore. 165 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:54,519 And so people are spending last at twenty thirty years either maybe either diabetic or 166 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,960 have some other sort of chronic disease to developed from a processed diet over decades. 167 00:13:00,039 --> 00:13:03,799 In decades now um, And so it probably comes down to, um, 168 00:13:03,879 --> 00:13:07,519 you know, how can we protect the liver and feed the gut. 169 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:13,320 And it comes down to a high protein, high fat diet. UM. 170 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,000 And of course you asked a question, how to you know, how do 171 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:22,919 people you know eat eat such a diet and remain financial response responsible. Um. 172 00:13:24,039 --> 00:13:28,759 Inflation is uh gripped Americans UM in a way that we haven't seen and 173 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:33,440 since the nineteen eighties and seventies and so UM, it is harder to eat 174 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:39,120 a you know, a whole unprocessed diet. UM. The reality is big 175 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:43,039 food and big pharma have too much money to make off a population that's chronically 176 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,840 fat, sick, and depressed. UM. Because there is a correlation, 177 00:13:46,879 --> 00:13:50,320 there's a direct colation between the quality of your diet and the quality of your 178 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,679 mind. UM. And so you know, I'm currently in classes to Tioga 179 00:13:54,759 --> 00:13:58,879 and one of our modest and classes the issues in the tissue. And I 180 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:05,320 think that's true both physically and mentally. I mean, it has to do 181 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,120 with your brain and your nervous system quality over few the terms the quality of 182 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,480 your life and so and you know, if you want to look really holistically, 183 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,159 UM, you'll you're going to spend a lot more money eating a process 184 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:22,000 that in long term and the fact is these people pay at least double m 185 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:28,240 in healthcare costs than those who are an otherwise healthy weight, and that goes 186 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:33,639 up exponentially as BMI increases. And looking at the healthcare system, probably the 187 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:41,840 numbers are unsustainable. Our entire health we spent about six percent of GDP on 188 00:14:43,399 --> 00:14:46,840 healthcare. Excuse me, in nineteen sixty we spent about five percent of GDP 189 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:54,279 on healthcare. Today that's eighteen percent, and it's only continuing to rise as 190 00:14:54,519 --> 00:14:58,039 Americans get sicker and sicker and fatter and fatter. U to put that into 191 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:05,759 perspective, in twenty sixteen, chronic chronic conditions alone cost six percent of our 192 00:15:05,799 --> 00:15:11,960 GDP, and so that's already far eclips what we were spending on healthcare in 193 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:18,840 nineteen sixty and so yeah, it might cost more to buy whole healthy options 194 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,600 at places like Whole Foods, But long around, you're saving your health and 195 00:15:24,679 --> 00:15:30,080 you're also saving your kids health because down the line, how you eat is 196 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:35,320 ultimately how your offspring will eat. There's something called epigenetics, where your kids 197 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,919 are predisposed to the habits that their parents had. Now, you know, 198 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:46,360 a lot of times people will scapegoat genetics as an excuse for for obesity, 199 00:15:46,759 --> 00:15:50,080 and there's a difference between epigenetics and genetics that the fact is, only about 200 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:56,679 thirty nine genes have been identified as related to obesity, only two are clinically 201 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,279 significant, and they're only found in fourteen percent of people who are bees. 202 00:16:00,799 --> 00:16:04,679 But your epigenetics do play a big role, and that leaves certain Americans to 203 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,960 be predisposed to certain lifestyles and others. And of course, you know, 204 00:16:08,279 --> 00:16:12,279 speak probably about habits, children will tomately adopt the habits of the parents. 205 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:17,879 And you know, this also comes into the importance of role models when you 206 00:16:17,919 --> 00:16:22,240 know children are growing up an environment where no one's modeling healthy behavior. Say, 207 00:16:22,279 --> 00:16:27,679 their parents are obese, all their friends at school are overweight, and 208 00:16:26,799 --> 00:16:33,200 our celebrities and pop culture are Liz own samp Smith. There's and I don't 209 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,879 need to pick on them, but there's not a whole lot of incentive to 210 00:16:36,919 --> 00:16:41,000 live a healthy lifestyle like you did when you were growing up and you had 211 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,799 parents who were promoting that too. And so to answer your question, it 212 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:49,120 is a lot harder to eat the healthier and clean the way that human bodies, 213 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,720 you know, kind of more supposed to to live a long, healthy 214 00:16:55,759 --> 00:17:00,240 life. And the long run, you're not only saving your own wall, 215 00:17:00,799 --> 00:17:04,200 you're really saving the country, because the country is on a trajectory right now 216 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:10,160 that we will bankrupt ourselves with healthcare costs if we don't clean up our own 217 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:15,440 diet. Just and I want to to clarify, so I've I've been reading 218 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,519 a little bit about epogenetics, and I want to make sure that I'm correct 219 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:23,759 on this and for the listeners too. If your parents are eating so for 220 00:17:23,799 --> 00:17:27,119 example, in history, I guess they say that during the potato famine, 221 00:17:27,559 --> 00:17:33,319 people were really hungry um and and starving and dying. And the offspring of 222 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:40,519 people that were in the potato famine have their their h genetics were impacted and 223 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:45,160 they are actually, you know, predisposed to have a slower metabolism because they're 224 00:17:45,319 --> 00:17:49,759 great grandparents or great great grandparents. Um, we're starving. Is that is 225 00:17:49,799 --> 00:17:57,559 that correct? Precisely because it's environmental um and so and and those you know, 226 00:17:57,599 --> 00:18:03,519 get passed on hereditarily, and so you know, they're the interesting nuance. 227 00:18:03,599 --> 00:18:07,640 I mean, there's definitely some interesting nuances here. But what comes to 228 00:18:07,759 --> 00:18:11,079 eu genes probably, you know, obesity is not something that's out of your 229 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,079 control entirely. Just because your parents were a certain way, you might be 230 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:18,480 a little more predisposed because the all these environmental factors, but people escape to 231 00:18:18,519 --> 00:18:26,519 go genetics as almost like a prison cell, to their own circumstances when reality 232 00:18:26,519 --> 00:18:30,400 and doctor Albert Lustig talks about this in the book, only thirty nine genes, 233 00:18:32,319 --> 00:18:34,839 and again genes are different from epigenetics. Only thirty nine genes have been 234 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,960 found great with obesity too, are clinically significant, and they're found in less 235 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:44,079 than twenty percent of the obst population. And so, you know, Americans, 236 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:48,559 we can get out of this, and we should. Medicare and Medicaid 237 00:18:48,599 --> 00:18:55,519 services are expected to by twenty forty eight to spend something like about three trillion 238 00:18:55,559 --> 00:19:00,519 dollars on American healthcare. But I mean that's how much we collect in federal 239 00:19:00,599 --> 00:19:07,039 tax revenue. We're not going to have money to spend on national defense or 240 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:14,880 education or let alone social security because the country is eating itself to death, 241 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,279 and you know a lot of it comes down into I also want to also 242 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,000 want to kill the calorie because calories don't really tell us a whole lot. 243 00:19:22,039 --> 00:19:26,680 It's you know, your body process is sta based on how hormones and enzymes 244 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,839 are, on your regulation of hormones and enzymes. It has far less to 245 00:19:29,839 --> 00:19:33,400 do with calories and far more to do with the quality of those calories. 246 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,880 And so um, you know it's about the country's in. It's on definitely 247 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:45,960 on a path that's demonstrably unsustainable and that we have to have a national emergency 248 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,960 about. But the culture is becoming apathetic about this. And so a b 249 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,359 to ur in Wisconsin and you talked about eating grass head beef. Do you 250 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,319 do you eat locally or do you still find that stuff at the grocery store? 251 00:19:59,079 --> 00:20:03,680 How do you find these different items? Yeah, so I try to 252 00:20:03,839 --> 00:20:07,559 eat grass fed beef at you can buy it at Whole Foods. But I 253 00:20:07,599 --> 00:20:11,480 will say it's not in my budget, and I'm sure it's not in most 254 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,599 people's budget to eat that all the time. So I have to opt for 255 00:20:14,759 --> 00:20:18,440 by meeting like a you know, a steak of some sort. I just 256 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:23,279 have to get that regular because it's so expensive to try and get grass fed 257 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,200 any kind of steak, especially if it's like a rib or something like that. 258 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,759 So um, it's it's Whole Foods. I know. I have fan 259 00:20:30,839 --> 00:20:34,960 members who have Evan aunt who actually started this and got me into this diet. 260 00:20:36,039 --> 00:20:37,960 She said it was it made her feel so better, It made her 261 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,000 hair stronger, the same thing happened to me, having this increased protein, 262 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:48,160 and she'll actually order it from a you know, monthly bulk order of meat 263 00:20:48,279 --> 00:20:56,400 and steaks and burgers from from uh this farm that ships out to the whole 264 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,319 country, and there are options like that. But I don't I don't think 265 00:20:59,319 --> 00:21:04,240 people should get super hung up on it not being grass fed, grass finished. 266 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,720 I think that's a good place to start if you're I think that's a 267 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,000 good thing to get to. But if you if you're just starting out and 268 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,680 you don't have the money for it, trying to eat you know, naturally, 269 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,319 even if it's not going to be organic or grass fed all the time, 270 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:22,039 is going to be better than than the chips and the fruit roll ups 271 00:21:22,079 --> 00:21:26,240 that are on the inside of the supermarket. Right, that's the best thing 272 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,640 to do is to go around the outside where everything's fresh, and that's where 273 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,079 you buy your food. But Tristan, I like that you brought up the 274 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,720 culture we saw today in the old staff. I think somebody at our staff 275 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:45,160 messages, somebody sent a video of a counselor telling people that if you try 276 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,680 to lose weight, that's fat phobic. There's this perception that if you know 277 00:21:48,759 --> 00:21:53,039 you want to be healthy, you want to look good, you want to 278 00:21:53,200 --> 00:22:00,319 feel good, that somehow that means you're against fat people. I think Rebel 279 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,279 Wilson famously lost a lot of weight, made herself a lot healthier than she 280 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,480 used to be, and people were angry at her. I think Adele the 281 00:22:07,519 --> 00:22:12,039 same thing happened. Um, you have people whose entire personalities are based off 282 00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:17,319 of being fat. Lizzo, her whole personality is about, you know, 283 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,599 being being an morbidly obest woman, and we're not focusing on her music. 284 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:26,519 I think there's a really bizarre part of the culture that has taken uh fat 285 00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:33,400 fatness and put it into this intersectional box with race and gender and you know, 286 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,240 sexual orientation and all these things and set Oh now we're at a press 287 00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:41,000 group. Go ahead, Trisan. Oh no, I was just you know, 288 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,960 I'm agreeing with you on that. Look. I think we need a 289 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:48,279 whole on more fat phobia in this country, and perfectly rank that doesn't mean 290 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:53,559 going out and to start fat shaming people and telling people that they're slabs and 291 00:22:53,599 --> 00:22:57,039 that they're great. Am not endorsing any of that has no placed in her 292 00:22:57,039 --> 00:23:00,839 society. Let's not make people feel bad. We all have different ways that 293 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:06,240 we cope, and a lot of the country uses food for that, but 294 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,799 we do need I mean that. That's gosh that therapist who is that video 295 00:23:08,839 --> 00:23:14,839 is posted from from Lives of TikTok talking about how if you are exercising these 296 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:22,119 weight then you're faphobic. Why did that person counseling anybody? Because the fact 297 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:27,319 is this is killing people. This is shortening our lifespan for the first time 298 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:33,519 in the Industrial Revolution. And it's not just again that we're living shorter lives. 299 00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:38,960 We're not living as as well anymore because we spend the last decades of 300 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:45,359 our lives sick and miserable. Would you rather spend your six season seventies playing 301 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,920 tennis and climbing mountains or spending your six season seventies sedentary and nursing home because 302 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:56,200 you've got three or four chronic diseases and a majority of Americans will have chronic 303 00:23:56,279 --> 00:23:59,160 disease by the end of this decade. And it has to do with food 304 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,799 policy, It has to do chemical policy. We're swimming in this environment of 305 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:08,839 toxic chemicals that are approved by government regulators from the industry and a revolving door. 306 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:15,599 UM who whose job isn't necessarily to keep us keep us healthy, but 307 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:21,839 to make sure the products that we ingest interact with won't kill us right away. 308 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,119 Again, what you eat today might not kill you this week, but 309 00:24:25,319 --> 00:24:30,079 it will kill you over thirty years, and it will make those thirty years 310 00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:34,599 a whole lot more miserable than they otherwise need to be. I just happen 311 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,119 to think, you know, health is synonymous with happiness in a lot of 312 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,480 ways, in terms of UM being being able to be active and do all 313 00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:47,359 the things that we want to do. UM. And of course it's it's 314 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:52,960 a subjective perspective, but but I mean, it's all just based on my 315 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:57,279 observations and how I've I've looked at, you know, the circumstances of people 316 00:24:57,279 --> 00:25:00,960 around me, and I guess I'm also in called Lado. It's one of 317 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,759 the most Denver Colorado. It's one of the most in shape places in the 318 00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:08,400 country. Um. It was the last green spot on the CDC map ball 319 00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:14,039 of OBC sits to six. Stuff finally tipped into yellow last year. And 320 00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:18,079 so this is a nationwide epidemic. The country is eating itself to death, 321 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:23,119 and all of our elites are making way too much money off this population that's 322 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:29,440 chronically fat and sick and depressed. And that's why we need a whole lot 323 00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:32,880 more fatphobia in this country. We're going to get ourselves out of this um 324 00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:36,519 and so, I mean, I want to ask you, you've always been 325 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:41,079 into health and wantest I don't think this conversation is complete without exercise. I 326 00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:45,599 think diet is still far more important when it comes to maintaining a healthy way, 327 00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:48,200 because it comes down to because you cannot outrun healthy or you cannot on 328 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:53,680 route run a processed diet. Because you know, a processed diet these these 329 00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:57,960 different chemical compounds that we come into contact with, and you know the lack 330 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,279 of fiber that's in all these processed foods because you really can't put the teeth 331 00:26:02,319 --> 00:26:04,160 based back in the bottle when somethings were fine if I were taken out you 332 00:26:04,519 --> 00:26:08,039 really, I mean, no matter how much fiber one wants to advertise itself 333 00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:11,720 as a premier fiber roar, it's not the same as you know, a 334 00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:18,799 whole piece of fruit. If you can out run in a processed diet, 335 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,880 it comes down to how were hormones and enzime's work. That's why this conversation 336 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,319 not complete belt without talking about testation levels and men, they're falling off a 337 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,039 cliff. It has to do with the amount of estrogenics that are coming in 338 00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:36,200 contact with and so men of balogy functions. Men is being is just being 339 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:41,200 dealt a havoc by low testatrian levels. But exercise is still so important here. 340 00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:45,839 What's your exercise routeam, Yeah, I was hoping that we would get 341 00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:48,079 to talk about this because I so in high school, I played a lot 342 00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:52,880 of sports, but I never really you know, I never there was never 343 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,640 a need for me to go home and work out in the way that I 344 00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:00,799 started to when I was in college. And I when I when I started 345 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:04,039 college, I started to get really serious about, UM, actually every day 346 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,799 working out. And now now it was more like five or six times a 347 00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:10,599 week. I found that I really doomed to rest day UM, and I 348 00:27:10,599 --> 00:27:14,119 think rest days are really important. UM. But back then it was it 349 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,680 was I wanted to work out every day. I was super motivated, and 350 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,960 I was running and weightlifting, So I would UM three or four times a 351 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,359 week. I would run at the end of my workout, and then every 352 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:26,640 other and then every other day that I worked out. I was I was 353 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:32,880 lifting, which I had never done before, and I felt amazing. I 354 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,519 felt wonderful. And I had a knee injury in my sophomore year and I 355 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:42,000 have just recovered from it and am now starting to run again. And I 356 00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:47,480 wanted to touch on this sort of cardio versus lifting battle, right. I 357 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,359 think people say all you need to do is weightlift, and cardio is stupid, 358 00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:53,519 And then there are still a lot of people who say, you know, 359 00:27:53,599 --> 00:27:57,319 just cardio is good, you don't need to lift. Those mostly women, 360 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,799 have a perception that they'll look ge and bad if they start to weightlift, 361 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,000 which is not true at all. Um. When I was just weightlifting, 362 00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:10,319 I didn't I didn't feel as good as I do when I'm doing both. 363 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,519 And I think both are really really important. There's like a two camp 364 00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:18,839 thing. Um. First of all, movement, movement is essential. You 365 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,759 should be if you can walk. If you could walk to work, that's 366 00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:26,279 amazing. If you can walk U you know, at night after you eat, 367 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:32,440 or or for in the morning before walking is so important. Working out 368 00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:36,279 is also very important, um, And I think both cardio and lifting is 369 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:37,519 the best way to do it. And you do it doesn't have to be 370 00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:41,480 crazy. It can be thirty minutes of lifting, thirty minutes of cardio. 371 00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:45,200 If you don't have a lot of time, you can take rest days if 372 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,319 things come up. But that's what I found has been the best combination for 373 00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:52,400 me and Tristan. I'm curious what you think, because I know you do 374 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,279 a lot of running. I'm not sure if you if you lift or not. 375 00:28:56,319 --> 00:28:59,279 I feel like you said you didn't do that as often when we last 376 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,039 talked at our last retreat, But I really would like to hear what you 377 00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:06,680 have to think about. What do you have to say about that. You 378 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,640 know. The thing I've learned about myself in my past year a few years 379 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:14,160 is I like to toep refresh when it comes to fitness routines. I had 380 00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:18,160 crossed it for a year and it was fun and exciting, and I couldn't 381 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,599 get enough of it. By the end of it, I just felt like 382 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,319 I was going through the motions, and you know, once you get to 383 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:27,240 that point, it's it's just not as effective. And so once you get 384 00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:32,200 started just going through the motions and novelty, whereas all I just I switched 385 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,119 it up. I joined a new gym, Focus more on lifting. I 386 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,359 do run. I actually I do not run in the winter, and I 387 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:44,599 do not run in cities. I find running in the city so boring and 388 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,279 I'm miserable and I'm just wanting it to be over. But I do shart 389 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,559 run um. And so you know, in the summertime, and the summertimes, 390 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:55,799 I hear it's magical the mountains, You're gorgeous, evergreens. I'll like 391 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,799 to get up and get out some friends, usually before the sun comes up, 392 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:02,960 and start the start these just on the weekends, we just do these 393 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,279 massive char runs where we're before dawn, got our coffee going, and then 394 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,200 we do these ten mile runs out in the mountains. Um, and then 395 00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:14,519 maybe do a little yoga at the peak. We're a little bit of yoga 396 00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:18,000 after. Um. So in the summertime, on the weekends, I'll do 397 00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:22,480 I'll do char running out there because it's just it's absolutely gorgeous. Um. 398 00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:30,240 But this past winter I found hot yoga. I hate being cold, okay, 399 00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:33,759 um So in the wintertime in Colorado, and it is simily nothing felt 400 00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:40,759 better than going to a hot yoga class and just thawing out and and um 401 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,200 you know, I really got to practice I got into it so much that 402 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:47,759 I'm actually in classes to teach now. I I'm in the Core Powers a 403 00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:52,160 Spring Spring program um. And so yoga has been my big thing lately. 404 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,720 And I don't really do a ton of cardio in the winter area. I 405 00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:57,240 just do some lifting on the side and then go to yoga. UM. 406 00:30:57,319 --> 00:31:02,200 And I found yoga to be actually the restorative too. Ever since started I 407 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,160 started yoga back in November, my lists have been better, my energy has 408 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:11,759 been better, my posture has been better. Especially I cannot promote yoga enough. 409 00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:12,920 And if you don't even want to, and if you don't want to 410 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,519 rest day, but you still need to take or take a rest because everyone 411 00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:21,400 needs to take a rest day at minimum once every seven to ten days, 412 00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:26,400 do you restorative yoga? And that is where you just hold these these postures 413 00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:32,559 and different restorative poses for a couple of minutes at a time. I actually 414 00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:37,039 used to do yan yoga too on occasion back when I did cross it a 415 00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:41,279 little bit um cross It was fun. I go in and out of it. 416 00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:48,400 I a lot a few classes in my class back. But I will 417 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:55,759 say nothing has been harder than yin yoga. UM, not even hot yoga. 418 00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:59,240 I think at sometimes yan yoga, I'll explain for a new listeners who 419 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:04,000 aren't familiar you yoga's where you hold these different yoga postures for about twenty to 420 00:32:04,039 --> 00:32:08,000 thirty minutes at a time, so it's only about four or five six postures 421 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,799 in a practice. I used to go this guy and Denbees to have these 422 00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:17,079 workshops. I would just go and we told these poses. Really that showed 423 00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:21,920 me what you're made of. And so, and I also just love the 424 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,839 aspect of hot yoga two, when you're in a room that's you know, 425 00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:30,480 one hundred and five degrees and it's it's a little bit gross considering how much 426 00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:34,960 you're sweating and dripping on people around you. But you know, I really 427 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,920 started sitting studying stoicism last year and how yoga's really help us dosism in a 428 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:43,559 practice. And a key pillar of stoicism is you cannot control that bad things 429 00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:47,319 happen, but you can control your reaction to them, your response to them. 430 00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:52,359 And so I love being an hot yoga class and you're you're holding a 431 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,880 pose and that will show you what you're made of. When you know it's 432 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,839 it's it's blistering hot, you're slipping everywhere on the mat um, but you 433 00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:04,839 still got to hold that that pose for that at a time till the instructor 434 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,599 says it's time to move on. Um. But I'm curious, have you 435 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,279 have you tried any different types of I mean, have you tried pilates, 436 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,960 soul cycle, or or power or any of these types of niche exercise programs. 437 00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:22,839 Tristan, I do not have the money and I live in a rural 438 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:28,319 area, so there are nothing. There's nothing good, especially when I was 439 00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:32,039 in high school and then when I was in college, there was just there 440 00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:36,519 was just nothing around me. So I just had my little college gym. 441 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,240 Um. Now that I'm in Madison, I theoretically could, but I pay 442 00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:43,400 for my membership, so I'm I'm just doing that. But you you really 443 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,559 influenced me on the yoga because my husband um has actually actually does it, 444 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,079 you know, a couple of times a week. He says it really helps 445 00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:53,599 with his lifts, Like you said, he said, he recovers much faster. 446 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,720 And I've just never done it for whatever reason. But I think I 447 00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:00,799 think I'm going to do it now. I think you you really influenced me, 448 00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:07,119 and I do like I'm I'm pretty routine oriented, So I'm not somebody 449 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,800 if I think if I started CrossFit, I would probably not quit for like 450 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,159 twenty years. So like that just the kind of person I am. Like, 451 00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:16,239 I just if I find something that I like, I can do it 452 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,440 forever. I mean, it's like the same thing with food, and I 453 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,159 know not a lot of people are like this, but I can eat really 454 00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:25,960 consistently. I get like, I love routine, um, and I like 455 00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:31,039 things to be consistent because that's kind of where I find my peace of mind. 456 00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:36,440 So that we're a little different in that sense. But I've definitely you 457 00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:42,000 piqued my interest with yoga. I wanted to ask you about something that you've 458 00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:46,920 written about and that I've seen just from being in the health social media world 459 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:53,400 and being interested in that. The liver King has been really interesting and in 460 00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:58,199 health and fitness, but in a warped way. So the liver King, 461 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,880 for the listeners who don't know it, just really um megabuff looking man. 462 00:35:04,039 --> 00:35:07,960 He's got all these veins. He almost looks unnatural, and that's because he 463 00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:13,840 is so. For for years, um he said, I don't I don't 464 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,400 do testosterone, all of that. Don't do hormone replacement therapy. I'm not 465 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:22,199 on anything, and I'm not on on any kind of steroids. He's completely 466 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,119 clean and he all he does is eat really healthy and work out all the 467 00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:30,960 time. And it turned out recently that that is one hundred percent not true. 468 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:36,760 Um, he's on all these these different UH enhancement drugs and UH. 469 00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:39,480 There were a lot of people that felt betrayed by him, and I think 470 00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:45,199 that they're What people don't realize is there's a lot of people just like him 471 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,320 in the fitness world and industry that claimed to be really healthy, that claimed 472 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,800 to be natural, and they're putting things in their bodies that are not healthy 473 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:58,360 at all, meaning that it's it's just for the aesthetic. And I think 474 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,079 that might be where where the fat phobic people that you know, are the 475 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,920 fat phobia people that are all obsessed with with it might be maybe coming from 476 00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:12,079 in a good way, right, that you can't just only care about the 477 00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:15,079 aesthetics. You have to care about genuine health as well. And there's this 478 00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:22,760 whole sect of the quote unquote health world that is not healthy at all and 479 00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:27,000 that I've completely rejected. There have been people in my life who have said, 480 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,199 you know, I think I want to do hormone replacement therapy, which 481 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,559 is a little bit you know, has a little better uh you know, 482 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,239 connotation and some of them, you know, a real steroid or something. 483 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,960 But I've I've just been against doing anything that's unnatural the same reason that I 484 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,079 don't like taking a pill for your depression. I think most of the time, 485 00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:49,639 if you're feeling sad, it's related to the way you're living your life. 486 00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:52,960 Things that can be changed by putting in the work, to your diet, 487 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,639 to your routine, to the relationships you have with people. Um, 488 00:36:57,079 --> 00:36:59,400 And so I trust I just want to get your thoughts in that because you've 489 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,079 written on it typically, um, and you've addressed the liver King and other 490 00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:07,440 people in this world. Yeah, you know, the liver King is a 491 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:14,320 great story. Um. You have this guy you clearly was craving this extreme 492 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:20,519 validation, so it became this influencer and just injecting those self vali steroids. 493 00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:22,960 I wrote a column about it. Last of all, Um, it was 494 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,880 actually part of the impetus to that led me to start my substack on all 495 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,000 these issues. I just have all these questions about health and wellness and how 496 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,320 you know, I mean, I want to know how I can live as 497 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,280 long and healthy as possible. And I'm sure you know a lot of our 498 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,800 listeners and reads the Federals have these same questions. And so I started another 499 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:45,440 substack just to explore these issues. Social justice reducts and the liver King was 500 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:52,840 an interesting story because here's someone who was taking he was he was clearly on 501 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,719 steroids. I mean, anyone, I think anyone who looked at the over 502 00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:00,519 King and followed him and thought this guy's being an all natural interesting. I 503 00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:04,239 have to have to say, I didn't know. I'm not somebody who's in 504 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,400 that world. I didn't see. And so he said he was natural, 505 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,079 and I was like, he's natural, and my husband was like, you're 506 00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:12,480 crazy. But I genuinely believed him. So I think there are people that 507 00:38:12,639 --> 00:38:15,719 believed him. Oh there's a lot of people who believed him. I mean 508 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,360 he was making I think what it was like one hundred million dollars a year. 509 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,599 I mean that's the same same amount. But it came out that he 510 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,519 was taking I just put up the numbers here, five point eight milligram vials 511 00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:35,760 of pharmacy grade human growth hormone injecting that sixteen times a month. That is 512 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:43,480 an astronomical amount of steroids to be taking. But when it comes to so 513 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:50,719 you talked about a hormone replacement therapy, I actually my mind has been kind 514 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,800 of been changing a little bit on the test testosteran stuff. I happen to 515 00:38:53,840 --> 00:39:00,719 think a lot more men you need some testosteran replacement therapy and they're then they're 516 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:05,039 actually getting because I think doctors are flying blind on this UM. So the 517 00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:08,880 way doctors determine whether some of whether a man is testoshrom deficient or not, 518 00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:15,519 as they will they will assess their TESTOSHA levels in comparison to the national average, 519 00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:21,119 and that is between a set of ranges. Well that range has declined 520 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:28,360 by forty two percent in the last two decades UM, So doctors, I 521 00:39:28,519 --> 00:39:30,840 think someone might have, you know, average testostrion levels for their age, 522 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,760 but again that's compared to the rest of population, which would mean that they're 523 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,599 actually deficient. And the testosh and efficiency is coming from all these endocrine disrupting 524 00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:45,239 chemicals that were coming into contact every with every day, UM and that it's 525 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:50,079 it's making its way into the water and even in the air, bringing fellies 526 00:39:50,159 --> 00:39:52,000 us. I mean This is not tinfoil has stuff. I mean, I 527 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:58,119 read this whole book on estrogenics about it, and and so you know, 528 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,039 like you said, we shouldn't be doing anything unnatural, like you know, 529 00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:07,159 checking ourselves with all these steroids at the time, but we're also living in 530 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:13,199 a really unnatural environment from the way we've been living for the past forty thousand 531 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,480 years, I mean, the way that humans have lived in the last century, 532 00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:22,880 let alone the last thousand years, as a radical departure from our natural 533 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:28,920 environment. And as more of these forever chemicals leaching the water and the air 534 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,519 and our food supply, we're just getting sicker and sicker and sicker, and 535 00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:36,920 our testosterone is being evaporated. For that, that's creating implications for fertility. 536 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:45,039 It's creating implications for obesity because testosterone is also a primary hormone that regulates metabolic 537 00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:50,639 function, and so when testostrian levels are falling off a cliff, it's also 538 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,559 no wonder we have an obesity epidemic done. And you're also seeing this kind 539 00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:59,519 of kind of drive these issues that come along with gender. You have people, 540 00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:05,199 you you have men who aren't really masculating because they're testosterone deficient and they 541 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,599 get confused about what gender they really are, and then they kind of fall 542 00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:13,679 into this trap of tran transgenderism. And so, um, you know, 543 00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:15,800 there's a lot of talk about, you know, vegan versus meat diet, 544 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,039 and again, I think it really just comes down to whether it's processed. 545 00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:22,880 But also, um, you know, looking at how we've been living in 546 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:27,960 the past forty thousand years, I don't know the answer on whether we should 547 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,159 be eating a meat based diet or a plant baste diet. I always just 548 00:41:31,199 --> 00:41:37,159 go back to the idea that it comes down to whether it's processed or unprocessed, 549 00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:39,920 that beings. I mean, I was vegan for a month two years 550 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:45,000 ago just to try it. I felt way better when I ate eggs again. 551 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:50,199 And they also tasted a lot better than the tofu scramble that was in 552 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,679 this in this cookbook. And so but you know, for people say we 553 00:41:54,760 --> 00:42:00,519 need to be eating vegan forty thousand years of evolution, sy should be eating 554 00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:04,880 meat. But also I think it happens to matter about your different your own 555 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,920 bloodline, because your ancestors might not have been hunters, they might have been 556 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:14,800 gatherers, or your answers might have been gatherers and not hunters, and so 557 00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:17,519 I think our bloodline has a lot to do with it, which is blay. 558 00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:22,679 Different diets tend to work for different people, but at the very very 559 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:30,159 base level, it comes down to processed and unnatural versus unprocessed and natural. 560 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,440 So, um, I want to get your taking. You obviously been eating 561 00:42:32,519 --> 00:42:37,599 an animal based diet. Did you consider veganism or a vegetarianism and what are 562 00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:42,800 your thoughts on that? Well? I did, Actually I hadn't done a 563 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,719 lot of research. Um. I just had this perception in my head that 564 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:52,519 vegetables equal good and red meat is bad. I actually thought that for a 565 00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:55,039 long time, all through high school, all the way through college, and 566 00:42:55,119 --> 00:43:00,840 up until recently did I start to realize that no, actually red meat isn't 567 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:05,320 bad for you. High protein diets are really good. Um, eggs aren't 568 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:10,840 bad for you. It there's this idea. I think that the foods that 569 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:16,159 are sometimes the least nutritious, right you have, vegetables with these defense chemicals 570 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:22,039 opted, with pesticides on them, um, are healthier than what, like 571 00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:27,760 you said, what our ancestors have been craving for for all for all of 572 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:32,679 human history. I watched a while ago a video of these this uh, 573 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:38,239 this hunter gatherer group in Siberia, and they would they eat reindeer, right, 574 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:44,239 That's how they That's how they survive. And the most nutritious part of 575 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,920 the reindeer that the head hunter gets is the liver. And people, you 576 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:52,199 know, will will stay all livers. You know, these organs aren't good 577 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:53,639 for you. We filter them out, you can't find them at the grocery 578 00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:57,960 store. But there's a lot of evidence to say that these are actually are 579 00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:01,159 really good for you. And we talked about the pyramid and uh, flipping 580 00:44:01,159 --> 00:44:05,320 it on its head really to see what's actually good for you. Grain is 581 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,559 not supposed to be the fundamental primary part of your diet. Um. It 582 00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:15,960 is actually its eggs and meat and um and then raw dairy right there. 583 00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:21,639 These are things that are important that we've excluded. And I just wonder about 584 00:44:21,679 --> 00:44:24,960 the left a little bit because there's there is a perception. I think, 585 00:44:25,199 --> 00:44:30,360 I think there's some truth to it that people in you know, Denver, 586 00:44:30,679 --> 00:44:35,199 like you say, or Los Angeles, um, are healthier than people in 587 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,400 Middle of America, that they care more um, that they'll spend you know, 588 00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:45,880 way too much money on a salad at a restaurant um in LA or 589 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:52,280 whatever. And I just I wonder how people who theoretically are supposed to be 590 00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:59,360 so much healthier are buying into the World Economic Forum demonizing meat, are are 591 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:05,400 buying into the transing of children which for will make it, We'll leave them 592 00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:09,239 infertile, sometimes unable to have an orgasm, all of these problems, bones, 593 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:15,960 brittle, arthritis at at you know, in the early twenties, how 594 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:22,079 can these people who are supposed to be so health conscious actually be doing the 595 00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:24,960 opposite of what they should be doing. And I'm not saying that the right 596 00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:29,400 is super healthy or anything like that. I'm not saying that at all. 597 00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:34,239 But what I am saying is that there seems to be a disconnect and maybe 598 00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:39,480 a cultural disconnect between what is and isn't perceived as healthy, and the left 599 00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:46,800 seems to be particularly warped on on what is and isn't healthy. And you 600 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:52,079 see this contradiction here. I think a lot of the contrary has really fallen 601 00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:57,960 into this trap of chasing cheap dogamine hits. And that pace was really accelerated 602 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,760 by the pandemic when we were all worked into our homes and what else you 603 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:06,519 can do then binge Netflix with you know, carbs and sugar all the time 604 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,159 because your gym was shut down. They're telling you you can't interact with people. 605 00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:13,199 We're also you're going to get sick with the buyers. That might kill 606 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:17,440 you. Um. Even though that we knew the entire time the risk for 607 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:22,119 COVID was incredibly low, especially if you are a help a metabolically healthy person 608 00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:27,639 who who exercises regularly. UM. And so, but we've we've kind of 609 00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:30,679 fall especially in these blue cities, where we've fallen into these traps of cheap 610 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:37,519 dopamine hits, whether it's Netflix weed born in processed, ready ready to eat 611 00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:40,360 food, and that's not that's not healthy. And I'm sorry, but I 612 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:47,199 don't think anyone can convince me that they're happy with making their lives chasing cheap 613 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,679 dopamine. I think there's a lot of misery there. And I think that 614 00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:54,480 the country as it continues to isolate because I think COVID, I mean, 615 00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:59,800 I think COVID was a starting point for a lot of these poor habits that 616 00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:02,360 just got accelerated, and it should have been a wake up call that this 617 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:07,119 country needed. UM. But unfortunately we're kind of descending into this path, 618 00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:12,480 a path of isolation. People aren't dating, teens, aren't even having sex 619 00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:17,159 anymore. And while that means that while it means king pregnancies down, I 620 00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:22,719 would also just means stiff people aren't returing um and and there's different implications that 621 00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:27,960 that brings with it on its own um and so. But to wrap up 622 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,599 a vida, I want to work just for our listeners. If you can 623 00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:35,360 name three or three or four of your best uh of your best best health 624 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,599 and wellness steps for any listeners whom I'm wondering while I was, I was 625 00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:43,920 just going to mention before I tell you that Tristan that when I was in 626 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:49,000 college, which was probably the worst hit by covid UM, I was so 627 00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:52,880 angry when they shut down the gyms and I couldn't work out. I was 628 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,960 trying to do little at home workouts in my room, which was more like 629 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,360 a closet. I didn't have did have a very big apartment all um, 630 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:05,039 and just felt terrible. And one day I said, Okay, I'm gonna 631 00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:08,840 go to the track because even though it's shut down, there is no one 632 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,920 there. It's outdoors, no one's gonna yell at me. If I if 633 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,320 I co run a few laps around the track and I live on the South 634 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,360 side. I lived on the South Side of Chicago. It's not a very 635 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:22,000 safe neighborhood. So just to run around the streets there was not a very 636 00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:24,559 smart idea. So that's why I wanted to be in the track on campus. 637 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:29,639 And oh, a university employee came up to me and said I had 638 00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:32,559 to leave because of because of COVID on a track where there was no one 639 00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:38,079 there outdoors it was absolutely sandy. Um, so that's very that was very 640 00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:43,320 frustrating. So what I say from my my my tips are um to be 641 00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:45,880 to be like, be intuitive about this sort of thing. When when the 642 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:51,400 world starts to tell you that you have to sit home to avoid getting sick. 643 00:48:52,199 --> 00:48:55,159 Um, go outside, go for a walk, try to go to 644 00:48:55,199 --> 00:49:00,079 the gym. Um My, my husband and a bunch of his buddiest of 645 00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:02,320 their own little gym where they rented out of space during COVID. They called 646 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:06,719 it the Wuhan Weight Club, and they said, even though the y mcas 647 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,519 are all closed down, we're still going to work out. Prioritizing your health 648 00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:14,400 even when the culture and the government tells you not to UM. Not believing 649 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,199 the food labels is a huge one. UM. Calories, right, that's 650 00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:21,880 what we talked about, calories not being as important as the quality of food 651 00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:25,599 that you're eating. UM. And and then you know, I think if 652 00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:29,400 you're a parent, like I said right off the bat, the biggest thing 653 00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:35,800 is instilling good, healthy eating habits when your children are young, and you 654 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,400 have to do that by changing your own habits. You can't have a healthy 655 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:42,480 eating kid if you're unhealthy yourself. You have to be the example and you 656 00:49:42,519 --> 00:49:46,480 have to put good food in the household. Well, thank you for joining. 657 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:52,239 Thanks Tristan, right,