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And up in Minnesota is our favorite, uh sometimes co host that I
guess it's turned into a permanent co host. Hey, you send me a
microphone. I am official a permanent cost the other ct Carlin. Oh,
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to get into this show, which is already becoming the most annoying season of
the Challenge that we've ever covered, Well, be you need to adjust your
attitude because I really don't hate these first two episodes. Gonna be honest with
you, harp On and too hard. Too hard though, because we don't
want him to end up in an episode where all he does is potato tips
loudly into the microphone. Yeah, nobody's here to stop me anymore, especially
now the Josh is on this episode or this season. I need you to
rag on Josh, especially when he gets kicked off. And if you get
pissy on the episode he gets kicked off, I'm real mad at you.
Can we take a quick poll before we dive into the episode, though,
Who is worse, Pauli or Josh Carlin? Oh? Too long, Zach.
Neither of them have bothered me. Yup, I'm gonna go with John
wrong answer, fucking now, Brian, Josh, first and last time I'll
ever call you. Brian Carlin? Do you have an answer yet? I'm
kind of with with Zach on this one. They haven't. I take it
back. Polly, Okay, thanks, Yeah, Polly's the worst. Yea.
Polly annoyed me in the first episode he showed up wearing Carra's clothes.
Yeah, what the fun? Does he look like a thundercat? What the
fuck was he wearing for those of us that have seen for those of us
that have seen the Barbie movie, he's dressing up his ken Yeah, terrible
do if only we did this last night, because I have a tupperware container
full of cars clothes. I could have dressed like Polly. You can fit
her clothes in a tupper work container. I don't know that you can fit
in them, Zack. Is Tara in the tupperware container? There's something she
might be in the box under the bed, Allison, get to know what
you're getting into. No wonder he was in the Witness Protection program a little
earlier. Turned this episode over the FBI. Right, well, we start
off episode one guys on a yacht a boat, motherfucker with the Big Brother
people and the Survivor people and the two lone amazing race people. Uh,
they're just doing the intro shit. We get this every season. I don't
know, not much to say here. They land up on the dock.
TJ says, Hey, guys, you won't believe it, but the MTV
people are here too, and the MTV people pull up on jet skis.
You didn't wait for very long for a dramatic effect. If that's how it
went well, and that is the second season in a row they've done this
MTV reveal shit, right, then they do this on World Champions too,
where it's like surprise, and they've done this in more than a few episodes
where like they did this for Invasion of the Champions, they did this in
a lot of these different episodes where it's like, oh, it's just you
guys, just kidding. Yeah, pretty shitty, And I there are none
of these people on the on the yacht were fooled, right they knew these
mtvs were showing up. I don't buy that at all. No, but
we get Pauli saying he was a boy before but now he's a man,
right, is his long awaited return? Nobody cares about him? But what
do you guys think about like these people that have made the leap from Big
Brother Survivor over to the Challenge and then now on this season, it seems
like they are not considering themselves Challenge Vets. They're from the shows that they
started with songs weird sorry, yeah, no, no, no, that's
fine. Strange strange whine And how Carlin would you like you would expect to
stick with the Vets? I don't know. That I expect them to stick
with the Vets. I just found it strange that they seem to really be
playing up that like, oh no, we are part of that show,
not necessarily the challenge, so that they I mean, I've realized this is
spoilers, but in episode two when they're talking about trying to get out the
Vets, like you are literally talking to people who have done multiple seasons of
this, some of which who have made the finals, like the people that
are Yeah, these people that are Vets that are supposed to be heavy hitter.
I don't consider Amanda a heavy hitter. I don't understand why she got
in as a heavy hitter. It will never make sense to me. But
they're not the only Vets there. It just I don't know. I found
it weird, and I do think that for their long term success, the
josh Is, the Michelle's, the thesis of the world should be sticking with
the veterans because like, there's there's a high likelihood they're going to be playing
with them again in the future where the law of these rookies will never be
seen from again. You think that's true of this of this show. The
rookies, whatever seem again, I think some of them, well, but
half these rookies we've seen four Yeah, but that's the first thing. Yeah,
we've we've seen a lot of these people. I don't know, Like
I just I could be wrong. I don't see the amazing race people like
becoming, you know, year in, year out fixtures on the show.
No, but no one thinks the amazing race people are gonna become year and
year out. We're talking Big Brother Survivor. Yeah, wow, what amazing
race racists in here? This season and lastie both seasons they've had amazing race
people on. There have been two and they've been awful. Yeah. Yeah,
we've got Dusty on this season. I liked him at first, but
I think I don't like him now. I'm already over Dusty. He was
going to have a lot of drama. The super fan that's this whole stick
though. Every time he talks is like, I can't believe I'm on the
challenge. I'm a fan of the challenge. Like we get it, dude,
Like we get it. You have to say that again, it's been
two episodes. Calm back, fucking Dusty. He can't go fuck himself.
Tell us how you really feel tamp I'm a little I don't know. I
want to night. Yeah, I have been, Yes, still am.
So they're on this dock, all the MTV people are there. TJ is
doing his spiel and he brings out the Hopper. This is the hoppers like
instead of like the algorithm, Now we have a bingo hopper. What do
you guys think of the hopper? If we do not get one one time
of TJ going get to the hopper, this whole season has been a waste.
The whole season has been a waste it I didn't even think about that.
Then, Yeah, I agree with you there, I agree to I
like the Hopper to him just for like the reason of I like the fact
that you can go into elimination this season even if you only have like one
vote against you. I'm torn on whether I like that or not. I
guess I'm enough to see you on how see how the how it plays out.
I don't know if I love it or not. I agree with Ryan.
Ryan and the chat room is saying the Hopper is so much better than
the algorithm, slightly more believable as random. I that was that's right on
part with what I was going to say like the algorithm from previous seasons that
it was like, okay, cool, so you're just picking the person that
you wanted to and wanted to go in there, and the producers are making
it look like like it's random this and I actually this is significantly more believable
as random. I mean, they could have all the same name in there
or nothing in there, and he could just pull it up and oh,
this is what I wanted to be. Yeah, that's what I was thinking,
is that this is really easy for production to just sort of pick who
goes into elimination because the algorithm picked partners, not elimination contestants, right,
Yeah, but it was still one of those things a week. There were
multiple weeks where the partners that they picked in the previous episode or in that
previous challenge had really massive fights, so there was a lot of animosity.
Then the next week, oh, surprise, surprise, they're paired together.
And it happened like that all the time, so it was like almost like
Okay, yeah, everything else might be random, but like this pair and
this pair and this pair are gonna happen, and everything else is going to
be whatever we want it to be. I agree, they're both. They're
both covers for production Shenanigans, that's for sure. Yeah, hopper is also
another word for toilet for this group of people, makes a bunch of sense
that they're all on the happening, they are all trash. Maybe you guys,
I believe it's one hundred percent random and not rigged. No, aren't
you so sweet? Innocent? Zach? That's adorable, just so cute.
So TJ tells us that one man and one woman is going to walk away
with two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Why is CBS cheaping out of this
prize money ship? Cheep? What the fuck is this TV out dollars?
Right? What'd you say, Carlin? They're cheaping out, but they're telling
them up front they haven't done that in a while. Yeah, because I
guess Danny got really pissed off that they said, like, the winners get
five hundred thousand dollars. They didn't say split between the two anything from everybody,
and that whole season got real pissed off. What was the guy from
Survivor with the long hair, Danny? Right? No, Danny's the black
guy, Tyson, Tyson, Tyson. Apparently that was one of the big
reasons why he wasn't ever going to come back because he was told that it
was going to be half a million dollars and they didn't actually tell him that
it was only going to be two fifty. Yeah, it was half a
million split between two people. They left that part part off. Yeah,
well, anyway, they TJ decides is going to pull some names out of
that toilet, and those names are going to be the new captains, and
they're gonna those captains are gonna pick the teams, team or captain number one
he pulls out Josh turned out of that toilet. I'm a leader, I'm
a captain. Hated. I mean whatever, he's he's a team captain,
but I hated that he was the first one to be picked. Same.
I hated how much he celebrated. It's like, dude, you did nothing
anything. He pulled your name out of the thing, Like, calm the
fuck down. It's not a big deal. All you did was literally exist.
It's right. So Josh's Captain one. Captain two is Cassidy, who
we know from Survivor fame. Well, you do you remember her yet?
I do? And when they showed video, I'm like, oh yeah,
that is, I do remember her. Yea, and Carl, you didn't
watch Survivor game. She's got probably the least interesting person on that season,
though, so I think could Russell. I'm not surprised by that because so
far in the last two episodes she's done next to nothing. So I kind
of agree. And I mean I liked her finance Survivor, but Sho to
me was just sort of a background player. And everybody's talks about like how
she was robbed, and I just don't see it. I don't understand how
people think that about her Survivor game. But I'll tell you a big gablare
stand than to him, Well, he was one vote away from the perfect
game, so I have to beat right. I mean, he did it.
He did a good job. And Captain number three is Desi, who
is just unbelievably gorgeous. This like these two episodes, like holy shit.
In the first episode, I had completely forgotten who she was and could not
remember for the life of man. Then she showed up in this episode.
That's right, Okay, do you remember all of this? She was hot,
She was like the rookie MVP of her season. Yeah, she's real
hot and fucked that up royally all right, So that's it. So we
picked teams, uh, Josh, his first pick is john A. Corey's
West back to back to back champion. Yeah, but she's back to back
champion, but at the same time, she's back to back champion and All
Stars, which I still stand by my my comment the last episode where she
she did well in All Stars because All Stars punch old old people. Yeah,
I mean I realized they're all our age. But All Stars is a
different game. Yeah, it's not this game. And even though she might
be a back to back champion, she it just it's it's played differently.
The games are different, the people in it are different. Oh, we'll
get into the games, don't you worry. Yeah, yeah, I just
so, I just of all of the people there, like, I don't
know, I just found it a weird, weird pick. I did too,
So I don't want to go through every single pick, but I think
there's weird ones, and I do think John A was a weird pick.
I think one of the weird ones. Zach, you might find this fascinating.
Bananas was like almost the last time, Yeah, what was that?
I agree? I think I think just people you know, he has a
reputation for me a snake, which is undeserved but wrong, totally deserved.
I definitely think he's someone you want on your side, so better to have
him with you than against you, or because he saw he doesn't suck.
I'm on Zach side of the seven time champ. He does not suck at
the game. No, he is. He is oddly good at all of
this ship, which annoys the fuck out of me. But it was really
strange that he went so late in the picking. Yeah. I thought I
thought he would be number one or two to pick Corey over him, Like,
are you kidding? Shit? He may have made it to a final
or two, but he cannot close that deal for the life of him.
Yeah. It's people, especially Josh, seem to be picking people that they
just sort of liked and want to get along with, and not necessarily people
that are really good at the game. Yeah. The other weird pick for
Josh was he picked Polly. What do you guys think? Good? Good
choice or bad for Josh? There? Oh, Josh's Josh's rationale so so
stupid. Keep your friends close, at your enemies closer. You're so stupid,
alright, eating Josh. But isn't there some intelligence to that that I'll
not target him. He's not on the Sea, he's on the same team.
Yeah, well, I'll give him. I'll give him credit that he
didn't know. But when TJ reveals the twist, it's like, no people
from your team can vote for you. Yeah, Polly, of all the
people is a wild card. He's the last person you want on your team
because he's definitely gonna turn I gets. Yeah, that was a weird twist
that you can vote in your own teammates. Josh didn't know that, and
I kind of like that. He thought, well, if I if Polly's
on my team, he can't target me. I don't. It seemed to
kind of forward thinking for Josh. I mean, it seemed kind of forward
thinking. But at the same time, like Polly seems to be really good
with like Fessi, and he didn't pick Fessi as his first choice, like
pick Fessie. Then you've got not only one of the guys from your alliance
on your team, but you've also got a friend of Polly's on your team,
Like Polly's not going to go after Fessi, which because at this point
in time, they're playing in teams. We didn't know about the twist or
anything like that. Like then he's not going to go for your team because
your team contains friends of his. So I don't know. It still felt
like a weird choice. Yeah, there was. There was a bunch of
weird choices here. Also think Josh I thought benefited him to have Fatsy on
another team, because if you can like distribute all your allies across the teams,
you always have influence on those teams. I don't. I don't give
Josh that much credits. Well, in the end, we have the teams
divided it up. So we've got the Red team that's Michelle, john A,
Josh, Polly, Chanelle, Bananas, Dusty and is it Tiffany the
one with the braids? Yeah, okay, Blue team we've got Corey,
Cassidy, Tory, Chris Jesse, Jesse. Is that right? Who's Jesse?
I have no clue. I don't either. That must be FEESSI.
That must have been an autocorrect thing. Fassih, Alyssa Sebastian and another Alyssa
Green. We've got Michaela, Desi, West, Louis Monte, Amira Tyler,
and Amanda, So those are the teams, straight up, what do
you guys think Who's who's looking good out of those teams. I agreed with
one of the one of the players who said that they seemed pretty evenly matched.
But the comment that killed me was Alyssa. After all, one of
the Lyssa's after this goes, I'm really happy with our team because there don't
seem to be any big egos on our teams. Are you you have Fessi
on your team? Should have a camera slow zoom into Fessi's face and Corey.
Corey's got a big ego too, but uh, Fasil. But he
is also going with being called Fessi season as well. It seems like people
are still calling him that, but his is lower thirds. Yeah, I
think he's on record saying he's okay with being called Fessi, but he he
he goes by fessel to kind of, you know whatever. But I think
he's okay and made a big deal about how like he wanted to go by
Fasil and no one called him Fessi, but may change his mind. I
don't know. There were definitely people who called him Fessi last season. I
feel like that's pretty much what everybody calls him. Yeah, I mean,
I get that he wanted he wants to go by his full name. No,
sorry, that was the dog scratching, Like, I get that he
wants to do that, and I commend him for wanting to bring his culture
to the forefront. But dude, you're always going to be messy, fussy
like it's that is. You cannot run away from that. It's just gonna
be who you are. Yep, I agree. All right. So the
teams are selected, they go back to the house. We get that opening
shot of the house where everybody's running in and trying to find rooms. It
feels like we haven't had this for a while, and I'm very excited about
it. It's a throwback to the old school seasons of the Challenge. Big
into this scene. What do you guys think? Same? Sure? All
right, well done, Wolfe and Michelle says she's on Team Red Flag,
which is hilarious, and so Team Read seems like they're just going by Team
Red Flag, which is I love that. I think it's great. Zachi
Banannas, what did you think about Josh giving the toast this season? Boom,
I didn't like it. At first, but I think when it came
down to is I don't know if any of you guys have listened to a
Banana's off season podcast where he's answering fan questions and someone asked him like,
who do you think is the best challenger that gets the most undeserved hate?
And his answer was Josh, So maybe kidding the dude that's won one elimination
is the best challenge. Oh my god, what the fuck? That's the
worst. So maybe Bananas is trying to build him up. Well, his
toast was fucking pathetic. His toast says to an epic fucking season challenge,
USA, woo, that was the That was the toast to an epic fucking
season challenge. You a sad, exactly pathetic? What the fuck is that?
You couldn't have taken thirty seconds googled you know good toast like Banana's does
for sure. Yeah, Banana's toasts might be corny. At least they're for
the grub that would have been better. All right, Well, we're busting
right into the first challenge after the first night of partying. This one is
called storm. Oh sorry, come on, what's money we spend on this?
My bad zero dollars. Zero dollars. So this one is called storm
the castle. Uh kind of cool. Actually they have these like statue castle.
They have these statues built of the of the MTV vts that way an
undetermined amount of weight they know. They never tell us other than they say
they're heavy. But the whole point is you gotta take these, uh these
statues up a hill into the castle. Along the way, there's puzzles.
That voiceover from TJ tells us they have to complete these puzzles. Carlin's growled
into the microphone. The dog really wants me to play with her. She's
here. I'm sorry, sorry, guys. I just think it's funny.
It's coming. It's coming from Carlin's mike, and I just see her just
shaking her head like dogs. Dogs don't talk. To point out that they
borrowed bananas. And yes, I was handsomely rewarded for that. I you
know, when they were originally showing the phases and they were making them like,
oh look, it's worst I'm thinking about like there's I'm sure it's just
a statue that looks similar to it, Like it's not whatever. They're just
pointing it at it because it has a passing familiar. They continue to look
at it. Oh no, oh no, this is actually West, West
and Amanda and some of them. Good. I thought Tories looked like Tori,
Core and West. Those three looked like who they were supposed to the
other three didn't look like them. I agree with you. But anyway,
so TJ gives a voice over that you have to complete the puzzle, and
we see later why that is. But I guess we'll get we'll break into
the the thing here leg one, they're just lifting up these these statues and
carrying them along the way. They have to see these little symbols at the
station. They line up the symbols and then they can put the statues in
a cart. Anyway, they keep doing this ship and you guys, I'll
watch the episode. I don't need to do this. Whatever they watch.
You gotta yeah, Tim Tyler, all right, Allison, we'll buy the
end of it. Red and Blues in it. Green has fallen behind because
a man it didn't do the thing. But so this is this is my
question. Do you think, like, why did they make these puzzles mandatory?
Because the whole point of these stations is that you can lighten the load,
you use the cart, and you rip the statue in a half.
Wouldn't it have been better if they said, like, all right, if
you don't do the station, you just have to go with the heavy fucking
thing. We've seen that another challenge. Yeah, I guess I didn't realize.
I mean, it's obvious from the episode that you have to they couldn't
move on unless they did it, But I guess it didn't really click to
me that they had to finish the puzzle and they order to go on.
I mean TJ said that in an awkward voice over, and I think it
was because of this. I was there yelling at the screen, like just
fucking go. You tried the puzzle, it didn't work, Just keep going
like carry that. It's the same thing, is like in in the finals
and in the longer challenges, that sort of thing where they have these kind
of multi step races. They have the time limit of like twenty minutes.
So if it takes you twenty minutes to do your thing, you still you're
ahead of your teammate or your other players, and you can still go on.
So maybe it was that same kind of thing, but because everybody was
so close, it didn't really matter. So they required, like, you
either have to hit that twenty minutes or you have to is your puzzle that
twenty minutes was gonna be way after everybody else is done. That could be.
But Green was actually first to that last checkpoint, and then they botched
the puzzle. So Red and Blue past Red and Blue is neck and neck
until the very very end when Blue pulled it out. But it seems like
Amanda lost this for them. Yeah, everybody sort of says that, but
she paid no real price, and I don't know why. It's usually usually
like lead on, people talk about Amanda fucked it up, so we have
to throw Amanda in or whatever. Nobody really seemed to be bothered by this,
and nobody mentioned it again. Yeah that is true. All right,
Well we learned now that everybody's gonna play secret votes. The way they do
that is they use these like little vacuum tube deals like you find in the
bank and you send these balls up to the hopper to the toilet. We'll
get your balls in the hopper's right. Surprisingly, Josh has a little i'm
a little politicking in him here, and he approaches it. He's on the
red team if you guys remember it. But he approaches Blue and says,
like, hey, how about we two teams look out for each other and
we just focus on the Green team. No, he doesn't say that.
He says, I swear on my mother and father's lives, but I won't
go for you. Switched then Tory and Tory tell the truth and like,
Josh, we're not going to vote you in. You suck at this game.
Yeah smoke, yeah, but it's it struck at this game. Yea.
He laughed it off like no big deal, but that had to be
that had to sting a little bit a little bit. Yeah, when it
started with I swear on my mother and father's lives, like just relax,
No, you don't need to get that serious, dude, Like it's a
game. Yeah, that's who Josh is. He's very same scared we're in
an alliance and that you guys are my friends and I'm not going to throw
you in and I'm gonna work through us my team to not throw you in
either. Like it's not that hard and I feel like TJ didn't go over
this part of the game, but you know, once we're in it,
it made sense. But at first, I see Team Blue sitting at a
table and it says nominations. I'm like, well, what the fuck is
this Because we've been over that this is an anonymous vote. They made this
big fucking deal of it. But it turns out the winning team nominates the
first players to go in. I don't feel like that was made super clear
until it was happening. Did you guys figured that? I was faster than
I did at the end of the challenge even missed it. They're they're gonna
pick one man and one woman to potentially go into elimination tonight. Interesting because,
yeah, because it's either a man or a woman, so the people
that they pick are still only potentials. They don't necessarily get to pick the
person who goes in. Yeah, yeah, I guess it, just I
don't know that kind it kind of followed the format of every other challenge we've
ever had, where the winners get to pick one half of the people that
go in. Yeah, it made sense in retrospect, it was just weird.
As they sat down and they all started talking about who's gonna go in,
I was like, well, I thought this vote was anonymous, and
if it was anonymous, I'll look at that little pupper his name again,
I forget Ray. If it's anonymous, why didn't Blue also vote anonymously?
That's an option, right, Yeah, but I mean I don't I don't
know why that why they would need it to be anonymous if they're the winners,
call people out because they're making a big deal about and voting anonymously.
Yeah, for the for the losing teams, they vote anonymously. Well yeah,
Well, if you're describing how it works, I'm describing how maybe it
should work. I think it works. Fun geez, he has no no
way to think hypothetically, very concrete brained over there. Yeah. Well,
anyway, Team Blue is talking about who they are gonna want to throw in
there. It looks like it's gonna be Amira. Amira only has one friend
in the Blue team, and it's Alyssa s who seems too quiet to even
try too hard to protect her. So it's Lewis and Amira they're going in.
And I don't care about them because I don't know who either these two
people are. Yeah, they're both knew the Louis was one of the guys,
Louis Louis, whatever his name is, Lewis. He was one of
the guys that he was the guy that I randomly picked as my person to
win. Oh and Bad Bad Pig. Seems like that's not gonna happen.
I liked Amira never know. I like, you know, she didn't do
too on Big Brother, so I was hoping you have a chance to show
herself this season, but once again cut short. Yeah, poor Amira.
But they put the names on the balls, and they put the balls up
on display, just like Wolfie does boom Roasted. Yeah, how's that a
rose? I don't know, he shows everybody's balls boom Roasted. What can
I say? I tried? Uh, but another another good challenge classic.
They did this even on like The Inferno and Ship. They'd put you know,
like put little statues or plates up those names. I don't know,
kind of like this. Uh, the balls could have been been better.
They're just like little plastic cheesy look little chucky cheese balls. It's real stupid.
I should have made him look like testicles, and then it wouldn't be
it wouldn't be family friendly, and they wouldn't be able to have it on
CBS. It'd have to go back to if the TV's although if you watch
it on Paramount Plus the next day, they uncensored all the swear word.
It's great, so much better with swear words. And yeah, damn it,
I missed that. I didn't realize that they had. I watched them
both on YouTube TV. No. I love that they're starting to do that,
because Peacock has started doing that with the the episodes of the Housewives and
all affair shows. They do the next day they show the episode the special
edition where they uncensor everything. It's fantastic. It's too bad they don't do
it for good shows. Well, you know, boom roasted, that's how
you do it. That's a boom roasted. That's a good boom roasted.
All right, So I didn't know Judgment Carl, we like it too.
That's all. That's what we're doing right now, talking trash TV. We're
talking about it, right, So, so Lewis and a mirror they're going
in. So now we get the other teams voting anonymously on who could potentially
hypothetically battle them. Uh, nothing is this nominations. This is a continuation
of nominations. God damn it, Tim, you gotta you gotta label these
better. My bad. No, hey, this started right, This started
with the team blue stuff, So you're way off. You're way off too.
Uh So this is where they are all voting anonymously. The only real
thing that happens here is john A voting Michelle, who is on her own
team and her really her only explanation here is just, well, we're gonna
have to start throwing in our own team members eventually, so I'm just gonna
rip off that bandit. I'm just gonna start doing it now. And Wes
apparently told her that Michelle wasn't someone to be trusted, so she doesn't actually
have like in person evidence. Yeah, super weird, super weird. Moved
from Johnny here. I feel like she was ran out of the room and
she's like, West, West, I voted the Michelle like you told me,
And He's like, what the fuck are you talking about? Bad fucking
call, dude. Yeah, it seemed it did seem like a really odd
move to make this early in the game, Like maybe you should oh yeah,
Kay brings up a good point, but Wes has never played a season
with Michelle. Yeah, it just it felt like a very weird point to
be pulling out this early in the season. Like, I get that you
guys are gonna have to start voting against each other, but maybe wait,
like two or three episodes. Yeah, I think so too. The vets
should know you gotta give it an episode or two just to even get all
the fucking rules because we don't know other rules in this game yet. Yeah,
there's all always a twist that comes in a few episodes in Son,
Johnny, this is real stupid friend of the show, Johnny made a real
bad not here. Why she shouldn't be the last season? Like, I
just I don't think she's a good player. I'm surprised she ever won.
Politically, she doesn't seem to know what the fuck she's doing, Like she's
doing really weird stuff. Yeah, she's good at eliminations, that's all.
She's good at eliminations on All Stars. She's not good on an eliminations here
yep, spoiler. No, I'm just talking about her previous challenge career.
She's never been an eliminations on this. She's good at All Stars, she's
not good on this show. Uh, well, with that, we'll see
we are into the elimination god damn it, and have the sounds pulled up.
They arrived to the Arena, which is a recycled name. Don't like
that, don't like this? It was last season. Yeah, it's like
they just bullshit keep recycling them. I don't know that we've had a different
one from the because I feel like the Arena has been the name for the
last few seasons. We had the Zone recently, I'm going to get in
the Zone. There we go. Goose Forrest brings up to anybody ever watched
Rehab Party at the hard Rock was a server? I did what because one
night I was sitting at home in my old is the old horror junk apartment,
and I was just bored out of my fucking mind and just had the
TV on and they had a marathon of this rehab Party at the hard Rock.
And I look up, I'm like, is that fucking Jen A?
And sure enough it was. She was also on a Nickelodeon show called Endurance.
It's like a preteen she wanted too pretty weird. She's she's gotten around,
man, she's been on TV a lot. Well. Anyway, Lewis
and a mirror. They come walking out. They are potentially going to be
going into this thing. The toilet comes out to TJ tells us all the
names and all the people are not all the people that voted from, but
at least the amount of votes they got. So we have West got two
votes, Dusty got too, Desi got one, Michelle got three, Monty
got four, but Nana's got four, and everybody starts acting like, oh
my god, it's not a secret vote, like it's still a secret vote.
Yeah, well, and did they really not expect to be able to
see what the spread was for the voting? It only makes sense to show
the spread of like it seems like of course they're going to show this.
They do that every season that it's been a secret vote, Like they had
the season where it was the secret vote and the light popped up underneath your
team and then they had I mean, they've they've done this on all of
them. I don't understand why anyone thought that this was going to be a
secret secret vote, Like you did not hear anything until they pulled the name
out of the hat. If this is the person that is going in because
they're they're the person that got the most votes, but it's not like they're
pulling up the footage of you like voting for them, like yeah, nobody
knows it was you, right, calm down. But it doesn't take long
for people to figure out that there's seven votes on the Green team and nine
votes on the Red team. So everybody's just sort of like, well,
somebody on Red voted for Red, like that's the only way that this these
numbers make sense. And so yeah, that that secret didn't last very long,
and Johnny is already on the run here to make sure no only figures
this out. So I thought about this. I was thinking about this today,
like in all reality, they don't actually they shouldn't actually know that that
extra vote went to Michelle, Like that extra vote for Red could have gone
to anyone. So she must have done something to like bring it out,
like, oh, no, I had didn't. I didn't vote for someone
on our team. I don't know what you're talking about. She must have
been real obvious about it, because she could have voted for anybody, and
I don't know. Yeah, the only thing that makes sense is if they
went to the Green team and just said, hey, tell us who you
voted for, and then by process of elimination, Milt Michelle's the leftover vote.
Yeah, because I had the same thoughts in the next episode of just
like, how did they how did she figure out that she was the one
that was targeted from her own team. That's the only thing that makes sense
to me, But we're just guessing, no idea. Well that's it,
guys, This is where this uh episode ends. First episode Yeah, booze
booze. Right, Yeah, but that cliffhanger was only for three days.
Yes, I didn't mind the cliffhanger so much because it's the first episode.
We have to we have that like getting to know you fluff at the beginning,
Like you know, I don't mind I don't mind a cliffhanger on the
first one episode two, Carlin, I didn't mind the cliffhanger on the episode
on the first episode either, simply because an episode two we got two eliminations.
I think it's safe to assume this to weeks when we have two episodes
a week. It was I probably getting cliffhangers the next two Thursdays as well.
I fucking hope not. I don't think so. I think we're gonna
get one person going home every episode until we start only getting one episode per
week, and then we're gonna get two people going home every episode. That's
my theory, you think, So that's my theory. I have no idea
going to be a real fucking long season. And I think it's only twelve
episode or maybe maybe fifteen if we're cutting these two a week ones. Yeah,
so at some point they're gonna have to start purging these people faster.
And by the way, it's also super weird that we're having like two female
eliminations in a row and then two male ones. You know, it's a
weird pattern. Yeah, spoiling because we don't actually know what's coming after the
female and eliminations. Yeah, it's questions. It seems like somebody's going to
step in and say, like, we have to we have to send some
dudes home. But it's weird to not do that. Yeah, it is
strange. All right, on to episode two. Wellfie, do we have
a sounder no sounder lights in my litter? We're an elimination again, it
was sure we are an elimination, Yes, Carlyn. Do you have like
smart lights that went out automatically? There you go, they're back, and
that's your deal. You got them time to that sundown or some ship where
do they go down? Like, No, I think this one turns off
at nine or right around I can't remember what it is. They turn on
like forty five minutes before sundown though, just nice, but it changes throughout
the year, so I know everybody's super interested in that. Well I am,
because it's all of a sudden, you just went completely dark. I'm
like, Nash, you didn't get up and turn it off any lights.
I wonder what happened. Well, And to start this episode, I want
to say thank you to everybody stuck with this last week and my absolutely horrorous
first like ten minutes of trying to go on, get on and get off,
and get on and get off. It's sounding like a robot and getting
off and getting back echoing. Still, thank you for sticking with us.
Technical difficulties, they're always part of the art of challenge. We love it.
Yep. Alright. Episode two blurred battle lines and it starts with the
hopper. So in the hopper, I don't think I actually pulled out what
the list. I did not. I didn't pull put the list of who
had what tally in there, but Michelle got I believe four votes in there,
and she starts freaking out. Bananas is talking about how he thinks he's
his name is going to come out, and Monty and Michelle are trying to
manifest that they're not going to be in it, and then TJ pulls the
ball and does the thing of Lewis. I guess he's the guy who's standing
on the field. Lewis pauses for a second. You can go back to
your team, and very excited. Again. This is something that he does
all the time. Like it's fine the first time, but if he if
he does this every episode, it's gonna get real, real old. Yeah,
he's going to embrace herself. Oh he did it all of the last
few seasons, and it's just it gets so old so fast, Like,
holy shit, that was allowed me out. Wow, it wasn't very loud
in life. It was a right in the mind into the microphone, bunny
be allowed. Sorry continue carling, No, you're good. So Michelle is
who they who TJ picks out of a hopper. She is pissed, and
she immediately turns around and calls out Amanda, Yeah aman this They're like,
excuse me, what prove it, bitch? She goes full Amanda. Well
time when we get back to the house, a man, it's great she's
great TV. I would not want to I don't even want to be in
the same room with her, but I'll watch her on TV all day.
She's just such a bitch. Yeah, she's great TV. I don't understand
how she's a heavy hitter, but she's great TV. She shouldn't be on
that team now, all right. The game is called slam dunked. You
have two tanks of water with fifteen hundred of those kind of of those little
balls and them floating on top, and the ladies get dropped into the tank
fifteen times, which I didn't catch that the first time I watched. I
had to watch it again. They get dropped fifteen times, and they have
to get as many of the balls out of the water as possible, so
they get harnessed in there and pulled like ten feet above the water and dropped
back end. And apparently the water is very cold, because they're both talking
about how they can't breathe and can't catch the breath and all of the things.
It's very weird how ball focus this season has been is it's very heavy
on the balls. Maybe they's cheap, Yeah, I'm sure they are.
They found a check and cheese is going out of business and yeah, loaded
up all so this elimination Oh yes, yes, stupid, stupid and not
even fun to watch, Like, what the fact this is the stupidest elimination.
No, it was not fun to watch. Not fun to watch.
I can't imagine it was fun to participate. I also feel like it probably
took all of like five minutes. Yeah. I if we're gonna have this
much build up, if you're gonna do this much production around everything and then
give us an elimination that takes five minutes, that's not fun to watch.
That just is like oh okay, yep. Cases this would be played in
season six of the Challenge. I agree, Like, before they knew how
to make eliminations, this is the sort of shit they would put up.
So it definitely felt like an old school game for sure, carnival game style.
Well, yeah, Ryan wants to know why they didn't go until someone
finished. Why was there a timeline? So I was thinking about this.
Remember a few seasons ago when they had the girls. They had the ladies
in the tanks of water and it was freezing outside. They had to dive
down and look at the key and tell their partners Cam and what's their face?
From the UK were partners. They got called out by Mama day and
what's his face? I know, I'm superpose. Yeah, So they got
called out by Jose and day Von the day Von and Kaylee where the two
that were in the water and the water was freezing, and they were in
there for like an hour and a half, and they came out and Cam
flipped shit on Jose saying, I can't believe you called us out, Like
what are you trying to do. You're trying to kill my partner, You're
giving her hypothermia, blah blah blah blah blah. So I wonder if after
that that game and all of the other games, because they seem to be
playing in like cooler weather, so having these people in a tank of water
for that extended period of time, even if the water is like seventy degrees,
that's still cold. So I just I wonder if after all of that
they finally wizened up and realized, like, no, we're gonna put a
time limit on this and it's going to be a short time with CBS money,
just heat up the tanks of water, Jesus Christ. I mean,
they looked like they looked like the swimming the above ground swimming pools that both
of my neighbors have, so I don't know, maybe they couldn't afford a
heater or can't put one in there. Strange, but anyway, all right,
uh who wins? Michelle is the winner with thirteen hundred and nineteen balls
to Amira's thirteen hundred and one. Oh, I don't actually think I said
who got pulled out a mirror when against Michelle? Yeah, yeah, it's
super exciting. Yeah. Michelle says she's very excited to be to have won
and get to go back to the house, and she's gonna go cause some
chaos, which I found funny because she doesn't seem the type to cause chaos
at all, and within the next episode she didn't. Yeah she Tory says
that at the end of this episode too spoiler. I don't think she's going
to do that either. I think Tory I can see cause chaos more than
than Michelle. How are you kidding me? I think Tory couldn't even Tory
couldn't even vote in a friend last season. Yeah, I think Michelle's going
to cause more to see chaos than Tory, at least Michelle didn't yell when
they get back, and they got so they go back to the house and
oh, well, first TJ tells us there's a twist, and everyone asks,
like it's an amazing thing. I can't believe that there's a twist,
Like there isn't a twist every season. The twist is that Michelle can either
go back to her team or she can defect. And this is the part
of the twist that I actually really appreciate it. She can defect and go
to a different team, and she can take the place of anyone on that
team, including a winner. Yeah. I like this too, I was.
I was thrilled about that because they haven't they've the winners have been off
limits for years, so it's a lot of fun to see them all.
Like, yeah, it starts splitting some teams up. Yeah, and we'll
see because remember Jordan did that on War of the World's too. He purposefully
went into eliminations so that he could defect to the UK team winning with UK.
So you can use this strategically if you're a ballsy guy like Jordan.
I don't know if anybody on this on this season is ballsy enough to do
that shit. I guess we'll see, but we need more balls, more
balls, Yeah, I mean Monty and I think Wes and Johnny all make
comments about how adding the defection in there adds a whole different level to this
game of strategury because you can go real strategic and you have to think about
throwing someone in who might potentially win and come back and immediately take your place
on your team. Yeah, so you can also put somebody on the worst
team, you know, if you're on a bad team, you can you
can put somebody really good on your bad team and then and then they'll lose,
you know. Yeah, yeah, there's some good strategy here if people
are Yeah, there's there's the potential for some interesting gameplay, which I mean,
tim if you if you don't think that anybody is balls enough on this
show to take it, who is there a show in the past that you
would have liked to have seen this sort of thing on that would have some
ballsier players to be willing to take that chance. Other seasons of the Challenge,
you mean, yeah, well, my mind goes to Cutthroat because that
was another three season, three team season, and remember Brandon kept getting fucked
on Cutthroat. His team kept throwing him. If he was able to come
back and defect, Yeah, if he was just like, fuck them,
they keep throwing me, and I'm going to go over to this other team.
And he actually had a really good season that year. He did,
though, I do wonder if he'd affected to another another team, if they
would just scape good him and thrown. They probably would. But at least
he didn't have to just keep going back to the team that would you know,
at least he had an option to get off that team that was treating
him that way, even if another team would have done it too. Yeah,
but about you, Wolfie, Zack Paula on the Island, Oh good
one. Even though there wasn't really like a team game, it's just supposed
to be on that raft and they basically it's a good one. I'm trying
to think that I'm having a hard time remember all the team challenges. But
I know there's a lot of people like Tanya and Katie in the past,
it would always just be like the sack official lance because if I get of
all the women, sobody if they could have like jumped teams back in the
early seasons. Yeah, yeah, but I feel like those kind of fall
into that same potential category with Brandon. If even if they jump teams,
they probably would nothing. So we're seeing this a couple times, and there's
been people that have done it, and that's always the issue, is like,
if you have a group that's already together and then you jump to that
group, you're just a'm actually putting yourself at the bombo on the totem pole.
Yeah yeah, I mean they talked about that in that season where Jordan
jumped to the UK and more of the world. That was one of the
big reasons why a lot of people didn't want to affect us, because they
didn't want to go to the bottom of that totem pole. But it ended
up working out well for him. So I guess it just kind of depends
on the caliber a player that you are. Yep. Yeah, you've got
to be a pretty badass player to kind of overcome that. And Jordan is
Jordan's with us. Yeah, it's kind of a bummer that we're not going
to see him this season. Yeah, so we do have a Jordan replacement.
Oh God, this Sebastian guy. I don't like this guy. So
we go back to the house and I noticed this. Immediately we get back
to the house and the very first shot of them in the house is john
A giving Michelle a big old hug. Yeah, Johnny's doing some damage control.
We see a couple of little scenes where she's trying to kind of buddy
up to Michelle. It's like, this is so transparent, Johnny, come
on, Yeah, It's like, I'm not I'm not trying to overcome and
sate. It's all right. Yeah. Well, and so this is where
when I was saying earlier that I don't know that Michelle is the type to
really cause chaos in the house. They get back and Amanda immediately causes chaos.
Yep. She starts going at Michelle, calling her out for saying,
why did you say my name when you were down on the floor, And
of course that all deteriorates to finally fight fighting about Fessi, Oh good,
bananas, trying to get Fessi down there and stuff like bananas. Which did
you guys watch the reunion for that season? Which season? I don't know
whatever season Amanda and Fessi were hooking up on. I think it was Spies,
Lies and Allies. Oh, probably. I totally phase out on all
that shit, I don't care about these hook ups. I don't care about
I just I I don't think I actually watched the reunions, so I completely
missed that Michelle and Fessi hooked up. So when that was said in this
episode, hold up what Yeah, Fessi is the source of all this drama,
and he could give a shit about either of them. At least she
hits up with Tori too, and Tory at least kind of gets it.
I think tor is not fighting over Fessi still, But Fessy could not give
a shit about Michelle or Amanda. He this craps looking for the next girl
Fasty's just working his way through the entire female cast one by one. Yeah,
Corey's not allowed to anymore because he's gone and a lady back to So
he's just passed the mantle on to Fessi. Oh man, I forgot about
Tony all right. The other big thing is that everybody starts talking about who
vote, Like Johnny brings up, you don't have to be Copernicus to know
that we got more votes. Yeah, yeah, fuck, isn't he like
an astronomer Einstein or something. It's Johnny. He was trying to use big
words, Zach, your boys, Stu, please, I knew who it
was. That's who that was, because he was talking about math and not
astronomy. Where do you know from, Tim, I don't know. Where
do I know from? Back to the Future three? Oh? No,
I don't know from that. Doc Brown named his older dog Copernicus because he
was god fucking fuck all of you. I haven't seen Back to the Future
three, and wasn't his dog? And yeah, that was his newer dog.
His dog in the fifties was named Copernicus. Look at us named both
his dogs. I feel like lays heavily into that career field. I mean
it does, but I think it was Johnny was more of just trying to
use a big word and trying to sound real smart. It's like Copernicus over
here, we'll feel over there, beat as smart, Pathagoras, Oh,
Sunday's in there saying that he's a mathematician too, these bananas apologists. Then
Chris is Chaman and it was Back to the Future one that you find out
young ducks dog is Copernicus, which I agree with. But then Doc in
uh Clara was Tip's favorite name. Uh talk about Copernicus when they're stuck in
the Old West in eighteen eighty five. Thanks for bringing up don't don't try
to school me on. Don't try to school me on on the movie knowledge,
Chris begs the future. Oh I dare you? Yeah, fuck you.
Alright, So there's a good portion of the Red team sitting in the
room talking about, Oh, well, who put that last vote on our
team versus like, obviously someone from our team, And then I think it's
Michelle who as the scene is cutting to the next one says that it must
have been john A, because no one knows who John A voted for.
The only one, the only person who's not in this team meeting too,
is Johnny. You'd be any more conspicuous Jannet, Well, come on.
I wonder if it was like they call it without her, or she was
just already in bed, or I feel like there was a little bit of
TV magic there showing that the rest of the team is there and she's not.
I think she was actively avoiding her team because her team was starting to
put it together. Yeah, she just fucked herself royally. Well, we've
seen her be really stupid politically, so that seems like an extension of that
of just I'm going to avoid the team so they don't call me out.
But meanwhile they're just calling her out in their absence, you know, her
absence anyway. Yeah, all right. Then it goes to Desi and Tiffany
or yeah, Dessi and Tiffany and Schnell are talking, and they're also talking
about Jena throwing the vote, and then Tiffany starts naming her alliance, and
I found it strange that her entire alliance that she mentions is women. Single
dude on that alliance. No, yeah, but like you're not going to
get very far in this game if all you're going for the women. But
Tiffany is a Big Brother person, right, isn't she with the Big Brother
players too? Yep? She's part of the famous cookout on the beginning of
no one else from except for a Lissar on this season, right, like
Bessie and Josh. But I think all differ. I think so too.
It seems like shows are sticking together. It's like the shows are sticking together
this time around. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it just it just felt
weird to me that she starts naming off her alliance and all of her alliance
are women like you gotta you gotta round that out with some guys, otherwise
you're not going to go very far in this game. Yep. And then
finally it ends the the house kind of ends with Corey and West doing confessionals,
talking about how they're only six vets and that they are very outnumbered.
That's important this episode. Yeah, all right, onto the challenge. I
was mad that need see how she did that to him? No, all
right, you guys know the name of this challenge stripping, right, something
pulls something, stripper polls, something working the polls. That's it. I
mean it could be stripper could also my mind because I was staring at my
computer when I was typing, as my mind immediately went to like working the
poles, working the pole booths, but working the poles, stripper poles.
You're thinking voting and civic duty and they're thinking stripping. Yeah, MICHAELA did
those stripper drops, which was like pretty hot. This is being honest.
Do you guys see that you can tell? You can tell Tim is single
this season? Do you remember that one time I had to apologize to Hill
on the on air because I said something about I don't even remember what I
said one of the contestants. Hill didn't like it, so I had to
apologize. I don't know. I feel like there are a few times that
you have apologized on this show. That's the problem, that's my life.
I don't I don't remember a specific one to Hill. It was Hill,
Like, was Hill on the episode? Or did you get in trouble later?
I have to apologize the next Yeah, I got it to him later.
It had to do it. Like the next week, I think I
said something inappropriate about one of the contestants. Yeah, how can I say?
You know, it happens, all right, is it so? I
mean some people that happens in good marriages. Good lord. You know,
if we have someone who's never listened to this show before, come and like
listen to an episode just randomly and hear us start talking about Mormon orgies halfway
through episodes, they can't make them come back. What are these people?
I mean, it'll at least make them dive through the archive. What does
this show up anywhere else? They got to join the Patrion, get the
backstage information, the X rated, the X rated episodes of Challenge Challenge after
that, right, good lord, this is just ridiculous. Alight, we're
not very yet. We have our first heights above Water challenge. No very
long, No, not at all. Did you expect it to This is
another Johnny trying to cover up what she did. Michelle said something about being
dunked in water, and John I was like, oh yeah, right,
like all friendly, pathetic Johnny, you looked stupid. Yeah, she Sh'S
not have a poker face. I agree with k on that one. Yeah,
all right, So they're gonna be two heats. Most players the fastest
wins. They have to get from one side to the other. It's a
triangle, so they're going from one long side to a tip of the triangle
on the opposite side. And they all three teams are playing at the same
time, so they have to cross around each other. Yeah. I thought
the pulling people down in the middle would be more of a more of an
issue here, Like I thought we'd see some wrestling or some people sabotaging on
teams. Right, I feel like we've set that for for other games that
are similar to this. Yeah. I feel like people play too nice nowadays.
Yeah, Like there wasn't hard enough without that. Nobody was getting across
anyway, That's true. I mean like there was the there was the challenge
a few seasons ago where Peanut Butter Nicole. They're on basically a giant pound
sign height on heights above water and they have to run from their little remember
that corner of the pound sign across to grab all the different things and she
just full on like dips her shoulder and knocks one of the girls off,
And everyone was so up in arms that she did that. I feel like
everybody watching it was like, hell, yeah, what why aren't more people
doing That's the game, that's the play that they designed this to have those
little collisions right there. Yeah for sure. Yeah, so I no,
I very much agree with you, Tim. It was weird that there were
not more more people trying to that. We didn't see at least more people
trying to pull others down. Yeah, so they are going across these poles.
The very first person out is Cassidy, and then the very first guy
out is Dustin. I didn't catch the rest of the people that were going
out until we get to Polly, who has spent the last few years like
bodybuilding and trying to be this real buff dude, and he's out called himself
a badass, in the episode one, it's like, yeah, you can't
call yourself a badass. That makes you not one. That's stupid. He
was out there hanging on those things like a rag doll. Yeah, and
if he's sitting there in his confessional talks about how oh it's just right there,
but I've lost all like I've I've used all my energy just to get
to hear Yeah. What are those called, tim popcorn muscles? Glamor muscles,
glamor muscles. Yeah, he failed real miserably, and you can hear
a voiceover from I think Amanda saying that he's too strong to fail at this
christ. I fucking hate Polly so much. I was rooting for him as
he was falling, because you think you'd think you would humble him, but
it's not. It's not at all, not at all, not in any
way, shape or form. The worst time. And then you have Amanda,
who is the very first player for the Green team and the first woman
of the whole game to get across. Yeah, and of course she gets
up there and immediately flips off everybody on shore. I thought it was great
that Amanda did this. I was rooting for her. She's not a good
like physical player. So the fact that she did this, I was like,
really excited for her. Actually, your comments are right on par with
Tories. Tori's comment was immediately, I'm happy for Amanda, but she's barely
a challenge great, so she had to do something good for it to be
here. Tori was a little more condescending than me. I was genuinely proud
of good old Amanda, and she was proud of herself. I really liked
this moment from her. I gotta be honest, I really liked it.
I'm never I'm never proud of anybody named Amanda. Oh yeah, sorry,
Wolfe's having flashbacks over there. That's what you think Za when outside. That's
what you get for bringing up Clara earlier. Okay, all right, So
at the end of Heat one, Red team has zero, Blue team has
two, and the Green team has three that they got across. When you're
sitting at zero, Yeah, Green team is beating everybody out of the water.
Yeah. Heat too comes around and Desi comes on the screen saying that
she has to play in both heats because her team is down a girl.
Yeah, she's a badass, dude, I really like he's Yeah, she
she was really fun to watching this. And I hate that I'm gonna say
this. I really hate that I'm gonna say this. Johnny fucking killed this
episode. Oh yes, Johnny killed this challenge. This is Banana's wheelhouse of
just extremely bizarre, fucking shit that you would never expect to add, and
he just fucking whipped right through. And he was good enough that he talked
other people through it too. He sounds crazy like thirty seconds and he's across
to the other side, not shocked. Yeah, I'm used to it.
Yeah, no, no, it's not not by a long stretch of the
imagination. Yeah, I'm no Banana's fan like you, Zach, but I
at least can admit I'm like Wolfe that Banana's is very good at all these
games. He can fucking rock these things and he does almost all the time.
Yeah, I mean, it's why he's played this game for so long.
Yeah, it makes sense, all right. Cts this way too,
though. CT just looks at a game and he's like, I know how
to fucking rock this ship immediately. Yeah. And he's huge, He's huge
and can still get across these things. Would have danced across these things no
problem. Yeah, he did it with the with the hanging stakes, like
like the literal stakes, just to get across this on my twinkle toes.
Yeah. I think the only time that I've ever seen him not get across
something was when they had to he and Ashley Smashley had to in one of
the finals, had to climb up those ropes and he was just too heavy
and the rope kept clash. Yeah. Uh. But speaking of ship breaking,
he too was also when those poles started falling off that, which is
bullshit because what are those people like, I can't it Monty. Maybe Monty
fell the whole pole collapsed underneath them. That was bullshit. They should have
like redone something or I don't know. That seemed pretty unfair to poor Monty
on that one, Yeah, because he does not look that much bigger than
any of the other guys in this house. So I wonder if they just
if I couldn't tell if it was the whole thing that came down, or
if like the not at the bottom of the ball came loose or what.
Yeah, that whole thing just slipped with him on it. And I don't
think that was the only one that broke. I thought I was at least.
Yeah, they were all kind of fucked up looking. Yeah, yep,
Johnny makes the comment, but Josh looks like a melting candle as he
slides down. This funniest, funniest comment of the episode. I was dying.
I was like in his stairs. He said, john look like a
melting candle. He can't even he can't even fall like a normal person,
just to slide down with his legs and his ass up in the air,
Like, oh no, ok, hold on, dude. The shot of
him falling with bananas calling him a melting candle was like peak challenge, Like
that was so fucking funny. It was pretty good. It's definitely good,
which we didn't. We didn't comment last round that Amanda helped pull Tyler up
and Tyler was pretty much upside down, which she She commented that she pulled
him off the ground or pulled him up out of it. But if you
notice, like they're holding onto his hands and feet, which is no small
feet, but then he like muscle full abs muscles him. It was it
was impressive. All right, we're gonna have to pause for thirty seconds talk
amongst yourselves because I need another drink. Oh there, she goes No,
I would normally be pissed at Carlin for walking away, but another drink is
acceptable. Kay in the chat room says, Josh all of that working out
and ain't helping. Nope, that's a dumb, big old meat ball head.
That's what we talked about in the cast reveal that they can like Josh.
I have no doubt he's stronger than me, Like, no doubt about
that. He's stronger than he's ever been. Still not athletic, not coordinated.
He still isn't struggling all this shit. Yeah, yeah, I'm a
bodybuilder. No, yep. He looks good, he looks healthy, but
he's gonna suck at all these games. I can almost guarantee it. He's
still he's just yeah, he's not coordinated enough to do any of this stuff.
It's Josh good at math and puzzles. No, Josh, let's take
time and then then he pushes Devin and Devin just slowly falls backwards a couch.
Kay says, he won a big brother and that's a lot of puzzles.
Uh, Josh one because everybody hated Paul so much since they voted for
Josh. Because Josh was taken to the final because they figured it being an
easy, easy win. Josh is horrible, so bad, all right,
so continuing heat too. West makes it across. Uh, Corey makes it
to the very end, he's right up platform and he falls. Oh man,
a perfect description of Corey's challenge career. Second, yea, uh FESSI
does the exact same thing. Fuck FESSI. Yep. Green gets two more
players across. Desi is one of them. She makes across in both heats.
She's great man, So Green wins, and as they're walking ya for
West, I guess boo for Amanda. As they're walking away, Josh is
hanging off of Johnny. So I'm so sorry. I'm so embarrassed. And
Johnny's response was not the first time you let me down and won't be the
last. But he is on fire Man, not for not the Carlin.
But I'll do the fucking voices. Sorry, I would you like to do
the voice? It's too late now. I mean I can send you my
notes and you can read them. Then that's all right. I know I'm
not as good as it. Adam, Sorry, don't even try. That's
fun. I'm just saying, don't come, don't come on the show and
start trying to see everybody's jobs. I don't want to steal your jobs.
That'll be the last time I tried to pretend to be Josh Promise told me
promises. You can't keep alight. It's more it's more boom roasted for somebody
who's not here. But that's fine, all out. Alright, So back
to the house again. I forgot about that, all right. Very first
thing we see is Tory trying to suck up hardcore to Amanda. I loved
this scene, did you guys? Like? Oh? I thought. I
thought it was fantastic because they both knew what was happening, and Amanda was
doing a ro good job of like keep giving me compliments. I don't know
this is gonna help you at all. I think even Tory was under no
illusions like this is gonna be inauthentic. This is purely like for show.
But she gave it a shot. You know, you stay positive, you
do what you can. They keep talking about how they want to keep the
Vets and they want the Vets to make it to the end and all that
sort of thing, and they can't do that if they don't have Amanda on
that on their team. Yeah, did did you chug that whole drink already?
Know? That was the old one? Okay? I was gonna get
a new one and chug it immediately. No, I can't do that.
Sorry, Maybe that's why I don't have a partner one. No, I
was thinking opening it same difference. Oh, fair enough, I opened myself
up to all of that one. All right, boom boom set sure see
I really cannot let my mother listen to this podcast. Just edit out that.
But when one long bleep right there handling? Yeah, when I do
that? All right? The next NBC is is Sebastian talking about how oh
he likes Tori. I called this when we were talking about the when we
did the pre show where the Yeah pre episodes show a few weeks ago,
about how he looks like Jordan, and that I think the Tori and Jordan
knew Jordan are going to hook up. Sebastian, that Tori is cute.
Everybody has to have a horrible have a horrible haircut, and apparently his eyebrows
are way too manicured. Though his manicured real fucking weird looking. It's hard
for me to look at that gay his face. He reminds me. I
realized this while I was watching the episode. His face reminds me a lot
of AMMO. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I just don't like talking about I don't like I don't remember him from
Survivor, but I don't like him on this show. I don't like how
he's laying in bed with Tori, saying I really really really really really really
really like your personality. What that's weird? What the fuck are you doing?
That's not how you pick up moment? No, but I mean I
guess I guess he's laying in bed with Tori, so he's doing something right.
But yeah, yeah again, Tory has such a tight Yeah, she
has such a tight skinny, kind of dirty looking and bad haircuts. That's
why I mean, you're out of the running, timb Yeah. No hair,
sorry, guys, no hair overweight? Yeah, not dirty enough.
I don't we look like we shall know. I don't smell enough, damn
and Bruce Forrest brings it up. Tory hooked up with Fussy once and forever
tainting. Yeah. She also came on this show, not this show,
but the Challenge in general, talking about how they were going to have a
challenge, baby, not but her and dare Eric, We're gonna have a
challenge baby if they won. Yeah, I love that. Every every season
she comes on this show saying how she doesn't want to hook up with anybody,
she's not looking for love, and she has looked hooked up with someone
literally every single season she's been on. Yeah, I'm good, Tory.
I would just have more respect for her if she just owned it and she
was just like, I just like hooking up with these dudes, and I'm
just gonna fucking hook up with these dudes. But yeah, it seems like
every season she says I'm not gonna do that anymore, and then she does
it and it's I don't know, I don't care enough to get upset about
it, but it's like, come on, Tory, yeah together, just
just be self aware. Yeah, self awareness, that's the good. Yes,
good, good point. I agree with that. And then Michelle and
the ladies are talking again, saying should we go for John A since John
A is on one of the losing teams, and she brings up the point.
They bring up the point that if Green and the winning team bring votes
in, Tory and the House nominates John a. Then you have two Vets
going into the into the arena, and for Michelle, someone's doing her dirty
work and getting out someone that she wants, regardless of who goes home.
Yep, this shit figured out. Yep, finally start. Yeah, people
are putting it together. Yeah. Yeah, Michelle seems like not like on
the like the halfway point of the season either. Yeah, Michelle seems like
a relatively smart player. But at the same and we still have a lot
of pretty smart players this season. Yeah, but Michelle's political game, I
don't know. I heard she also seems not great at this game. I
don't know why she just I think Michelle's more comfortable with a bunch more Survivor
players. I think she was just having a hard time sort of finding it
in with the Vets on the on the MTV show, and she was always
sort of on on her own little island and couldn't really kind of break through.
And now she's got a bunch of people that can kind support her,
and she's feeling empowered to make these moves, and she fucking rocked it.
Like I think she knows Johnny voted for her, even if she doesn't,
even if she couldn't prove it. I think she knows it. Yeah,
and so she's just like, fucking I'm gonna go for Jenny, and she
got all these people to join in. Yeah. I mean it's it's a
lot of fun watching like we are on the second episode and seeing how many
people like we're coming up to one of the deliberations, which I guess we're
there so deliberation. Well, don't blame Carlin for the you should have this
stuff to be paying attention. Wolfee. Yeah, Hey, Wolfe, Hey,
just shut the fuck up and hit the buttons. Wolfe, just shut
up, hit the buttons. Just hit the buttons, Wolfe. It happens.
Yeah, I mean it's it's so in the deliberation, uh one more
time. Name So Green Team is deliberating and West comes out with his whole
spiel, which we kind of talked about again in that preseason show about whether
he is kind of at the end of his tenure being able to talk to
rookies this way, and I think we are officially there. He has this
whole speech about how you know, we shouldn't go for the heavy hitters quite
yet, and how we are doing the house is dirty work, and that
we shouldn't put in people like tor and Bananas. And the entire table looks
at him goes uh huh, and then turn to each other and say,
so, we're going Tory and Bananas right, And everybody says yes, I
love walks out kind of like the Fox just happened. I loved every single
thing about this whole thing. This is this is what we talk about every
season that the rookies are dumb fucks because they're not banding together and going after
the vets. And this is the first time we see it where the rookies
are finally doing it, and it's because they have a passed on Big Brother
and Survivor and they know they're passed on their own shows and doing this sort
of thing. But we also have people on this show who very obviously have
watched this show or know these people or know how this sort of thing is
gonna work. Yeah, so it's yeah, it's it. I loved I
thought it was fucking grong. They all just dismissed him immediately, like like
MICHAELA especially as like West, that's stupid, that doesn't work. We're not
doing that, I mean, and West had nothing to say. Yep,
MICHAELA just shut that ship down right away. Yeah, it was like,
West, we're not gonna We're not gonna play your game. There are six
vets vets in this house. Yeah, with quotations around it, because there
are significantly more, but there are six people in this house who have played
this game before. And then there's a whole bunch of the rest of us
like we outnumber you drastically, and yeah, we're not going to play that
game. I loved it. I thought it was so great. Yep,
they do wonderful. Made me really happy. And then West goes straight back
to So they vote in Tory and Bananas, one from Blue and one from
Red, and West goes straight back to Bananas. And as he's walking back
to Bananas, we get his confessional saying that Johnny is his number one in
the house. I'm amazed that he did not burst into flames. Their rivalry
was always sort of for a show. Oh yeah, I think camera they
like each other and this you know, when the other shows are banding together,
the MTV people have to stick together. They just happen. Yeah,
Well, get brought up the point of like first good decisions has ever made
on the show, making Bananas's number one. No Bananas. West made a
good point of he and bananas are like family. You may not like your
family, but you gotta put up with them. Yeah, so, which
I mean in this game. I agree with that. But yeah, he
and he and Bananas start talking about how we're not gonna be able to play
this game the same that we have in previous seasons. Ye, rookies are
not rookies this year. None of them are new to this, which I
kind of love. I kind of love. Yeah. Same, Yeah,
the Vets are sort of Yeah, they're playing defense now. We're not used
to that, so it's yeah, it's fun to watch it. Yeah,
all right, so now we are onto the arena. We'll be hit the
button. He's over the petn Act, not paying attention. We don't need
to talk to talk about there. They get They just go into a room.
We don't see what any of them do. Yeah, Tiffany hopes that
John A isn't going to or the Okay, that's the only thing from that
entire, like two second minute long segment is that Tiffany goes in and even
though her whole team said that they were going to vote for John A,
she doesn't want to vote for John A because she wants to be able to
look John A in the eyes and tell her, no, she didn't vote
for her, and know that she's not lying. The only thing that came
out of that whole segment, Yeah, I just don't care. People come
in and I'm not gonna lie. Okay, that's fine. Yeah, fun
not lying. It's not fun to watch though. Yeah, the actual voting
part doesn't really matter. It's once they get to the arena and they pull
up where what all the votes are. So they had a pretty big spread
this time. Last time it was only a few people that got called out.
This time, the votes were two for Polly, one for Alyssa S
or two or Alyssa L. Two for Alyssa S, three for Dusty,
one for Sebastian, two for Corey, and five for John A. And
shuck. Yeah, and a moment that happened, it's like, oh,
oh shit, the entire house, noess what I done? But I did.
She cannot believe it. Not getting away with that. No, and
we do have to get rid of an Alyssa by the way, having two
people the same name, oh God, remember that one like Jenna and Jen
and somebody else had too many people that had the same fucking name. Jenny.
Yeah, maybe Jenna, Jenny and Jen. Yeah, it was stupid.
Uh yeah, we had curly fries and straight fries. That's right.
They will forever be done. You know. I think that was something else
that you were told that you had to apologize for fries versus straight fries.
I don't I never understood as to why that would be necessarily offensive. I
thought it was kind of funny. I don't think we apologized. I don't
remember. I just yeah, I just remember her getting a little upset by
it. Whatever. Alright, So Johnny makes the point of she hasn't one
in three chance of being the one who's pulled out of us, and surprise,
surprise, her name is pulled out. Good Johnny goes back up to
his team and Tory versus John a jolly needs a little slice of humble pie
here. Because I like Johnny a lot, but these last two seasons I
like her less because I just think she's cocky and makes stupid fucking moves.
Now, that's right. She was great after after getting coached quote unquot coached
by West and Bananas. Yeah, oh man, forgot about Boh, that
was great creating these earth things. All right, So most of the house
is super excited to have two big vets in the in the arena. It
means that one of them is going home. And the game is called drop
the ball. Another thing about balls, I'm telling you of these balls.
Actually they just got them ball super cheap. You said they rated a chuck
e cheese. So there are sixty balls on what looks like what is it
plinkod and they drop the balls down in relatively rapid succession. But you can
go for the ball. If the ball touches the ground, it's a dead
ball. But if your opponent has it, you could wrestle them for the
ball. Silver balls are worth three points. Black balls are worth one,
and you have to grab the ball and score it in your goal. Most
points wins. Yep, I was just there. It's kind of nice.
Now now you get unlimited games for a specific amount of time. Zach,
why are you one here twice? No? Never, never mind? No?
Right? Yeah, Ryan asked, could Tori have just gotten the first
point and then just tackled Johnny and held her down? Uh? Yeah,
probably, I don't think she could have held her down. She probably could
have just tried to knock the balls out of her hands for the rest of
it. But it's not a bad strategy. Actually get a few and then
get a few in and then just just fuck with Johnny. Yeah, I
mean she was man handling Johnny. She'd crab john A and just throw her
against the wall, throw against the ground. It's weird because I don't I
mean, the size differential is not huge, right, I mean, Johnny's
a few inches shorter, but not It's not like Johnny's tiny compared to Tori.
But Johnny was totally just sort of classed here. Yeah, I feel
like Tori just might be a little bit more built than john a is.
Yeah, much much stronger. Yeah, for sure. Of course they have
clips of both of them saying or both of them, someone is saying they're
giving it them. They're all whether it's Jenny saying it about herself or someone
else saying about Tori. Yeah, of course they are. I feel like
that's another Amanda being a real pissy about Tori. So whatever it could be,
Banana's is definitely on the Royds. She does, and I think that's
good. We need some mom representation on this on the show. I always
WoT for the dads, but hey, we can have some moms on this
show. No, I love them representation. But john A doesn't bring her
kids out every thirty seconds. Well she should, she should, that's a
parents should do. No, parents should have their own personalities. Oh yeah,
are you listening to that? What was the podcast? Him? There
was a while. I don't know. We'll talk about snafter show topic.
Okay, we'll find none. It's not at all no, all right.
Oh. Sebastian says that he's super proud of Tory and how well she's doing,
and it made me want to bar from my mouth, disgusting. Wes
says that he really likes that Tori's throwing john A to the ground because it
shows the other players what the Vets can do. I don't like this either,
I mean I can kind of. I liked his answer better than his
response to all of this, better than than Sebastian's. But you know,
well I do too, But it doesn't apply here because the whole point is
to throw vets against each other. Yeah, so what's West's point? I
mean, they're still going to try to put vets up against vets. It's
West trying to be West and trying to pretend like he's still going to be
able to run this game. That's right. So that's why that's why I
gave it the little raspberry there. Yep. So ultimately Tory wins twenty nine
to fifteen. She killed it. I feel like at some point, just
let john A get up, get a few, you know. I mean,
she did all at the beginning, and then she didn't anymore. Yeah.
I'm not a competitive person at all, but it feels like if I
was that far ahead, I would just be like, hey, john I
just none of these people are like that. No, none of these people
are like that. It'd be better for me. Why am I working so
hard after I've already fucking won the thing? Why do I keep to have
the the tosser around the field? You know? Yeah, But I mean
I feel like that's the personality of all of these people, Like they're if
they're winning, they're going to continue to win and they're going to beat you
into the ground. Yeah, that's why I would not fit in on this
show. Yeah, john A is going home. I again think that she
needs to stick to All Stars and not come back to the regular game.
I wanted to come back, but come back a little more humble. And
I'm also political gaming together. Man. Yeah, I think I'm also on
the on the train of if you're going to play on All Stars, you
shouldn't be allowed on the regular game, like it's one or the other to
play both. Like Anissa should not be able to play both. Durrell should
not be able to play both. You play one side or the other,
and that's it. Yeah, I disagree on that one, but I'll let
you have that opinion. I feel like they're like I feel like Durrell.
Durrell can be on every single show. Durrell needs to stay on All Stars.
He has fucked up his legacy on the regular show. Sucked it up.
He's never getting it back and he's never gonna win. But he's great.
He needs to stay on All Stars. But he's so cool. He's
like he doesn't any of the guys on this show. He comes on this
show and he's boring and sits in the background, but he gets on All
Stars and he's actually interacting with people. I guess I will never make the
case for Lester. I'm not a fan of his. I used to be
I'm not a fan of it anymore. She's not invited back by Carlin.
She's very heated about that and didn't need to Yeah whatever, all right,
So Tory decides that she is going to stay with the Blue team after talking
mad shit about the Red team. Yeah and real shit, like a weird
thing, like didn't didn't She say, Oh, I get the feeling those
people throw it in john A. So I'm not going to go to that
team, Like yeah, like they don't respect the VET, like the VET
women, and they threw in one of their own teammates. So I'm definitely
not going over there. Yeah, weird, just say, I'm just gonna
stick with Blue. Yeah. And then in her confessional at the very end,
she says she's pissed at the entire Green team because West hold her that
he was the only person on the Green team who didn't vote for her,
and that she's caused some chaos when she gets into the house. No,
she won't and that's the end of the episode. So end of the episode.
Timy brought this up earlier. We are now down two women, yep,
So what do we think they're gonna do? I mean, we're going
to continue to pull things out of the hopper, and if it's another woman,
then it's another woman. But if it's a dude, then we'll go
with it. I really don't know, but I do feel like at some
point they're gonna have two eliminations. It's it's super weird to have a man
and a woman both down there and then the gender relies on what they pull
out of the toilet. You know, that's a weird thing. That's a
weird gameplay. So I feel like at some point they're gonna swap that and
it's just gonna be a man and woman every elimination. Yeah, but the
men don't want to run a final with a ton of men either, you
know, like if you're a man, it's it's good for you to knock
some men out. Yep. Yeah. I feel like in previous seasons where
they've had something similar to this, where like it depending on who gets pulled
out of the hopper quote unquote, they the sex that goes down. But
in those seasons, it's like if a woman got pulled out the first week,
then they automatically revert to a man the second week. So like you
would think that that second week they would just do the like this week they
would have just done Okay, well, if you voted for a woman,
all your votes are being pulled out. Sorry, it's just the dudes.
And if it's only one guy in the hopper, looks like you're going in.
That's kind of what I thought I thought they would. I thought for
the first episode they would make it sort of random, because you know,
otherwise it's the producers choosing as a men's day or woman's day. Yeah,
but then I thought they would start flip flopping. So even the second episode
it was a little weird. I thought they would start telling the people like,
you can only vote for men, like this is a men's men's elimination
today, but it's not. I do feel like at some point they're gonna
have to take control of this. It's weird to keep having one gender one
at the other. But yeah, because even though it's theoretically by chance,
then yeah, I mean, we have the potential of it being a woman's
limb nation every week, right, yeah, in the finals all men and
one woman who just wins by default. Yeah well yeah. Kay brought up
a good point of the last time this three team system was played in Cutthroat
there was a two woman team. It was Kelly Anne and Sarah. No,
uh, they were on the road. I think that was the Ruins.
You're right, cutthroat was I Jen and Mandy. That was Rivals.
That was Rivals. It was Jen and someone gen Nmily Okay, and yeah
your Ruins was also Kelly Ann and uh, yeah, you're right. So
yeah, I mean there were there was a two woman team, so it
really I mean, I guess if they if they could get it down where
it was three teams at the end and two of the teams were stacked with
dudes and the third team was just women, then yeah, I mean they're
the women have a fighting chance against the other girls, but the guys only
have one team that they have to worry about now. Yeah, but then
again, I also don't know how they're going to do the final when right
now they have three teams and ultimately it's only going to be one guy and
one girl. There's at some point they're gonna they're gonna eliminate the team aspect
of it. They just have to. Yeah, hell no, Josh is
never making a final. No, all right, well, improved, I
don't know that depends on who you ask, But it is much simpler anyway.
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one today. Oh Nicole Whiz says, politics divides people. The challenge brings
us together. No need to comment or give opinions. Slash make assumptions regarding
other sides of politics. Please keep them to yourselves. It has nothing to
do with the challenge. Politics divides people. The challenge brings us together.
Let's stick to talking about that. I know, as podcasters, this is
your platform and you could speak as freely as you like, but I just
ask that you take into consideration that you may be offending a portion of your
listeners. Out of the challenge podcasts out there, I'd say yours is about
my favorite. I'd like to keep it that way. Thanks. Hope we
get to I hope we get a good season. I look forward to your
recaps. I'm so happy that Josh Impression is back. Trump sucks. Uh
yeah, yes, it was very kind. I don't know where I assume
that she does not agree with us politically, but listen, I do personally
feel like politics matters. As we talked to the about in the pre show,
we're coming up on election season. I really do think that Trump is
a danger a dangerous person, and I will speak against that, and I
think that's the way that we can unite America united against against Trump. And
I have no plans on censoring that. Trump can go fuck himself. Vote
Biden. I don't love him either, but he's better than Trump. There
you go a goal if we've disappointed you. But yeah, I can.
I can appreciate that politics divides us and that it would be nice to have
a space that doesn't have that as part of it. But unfortunately, in
this day and age, politics is part of everything. Yeah, and we
have granted a small platform here, but I don't feel like I need to
censor that. I think the platform should be used for for what we believe.
So sorry, Nicole, but you can go fuck yourself. All Right,
I went too far with it. I went a little too far,
But no, I'm not going to censor myself with that ship if he's a
quiet one. Yeah. Well, and someone earlier was talking about we'd made
a comment about Zach is going to keep Jenna so pumped full of babies that
she's never going to be able to come back on what about zachating Jenna again?
Hey, listen, I'm not taking the DNA test yet. There's no
proof it's mine. Oh, so they are on Baby number three. I'm
looking it up on Instagram right now. Baby number three is doing February.
Yeah, good iss, it's that's that's what you gotta do to keep trumping
in power. Just what do they mean to make any money? Like?
How can they afford three kids? I have no idea. I did,
real piece of shit, of course he wants. Yeah, you know how
I know that voted for Trump, Zach, Sorry, man, you're really
you're you're once again really hard to hear. Yeah, and cases all Stars
for one or until twenty twenty four. I heard that too. After this
season, we're gonna get season thirty nine. All Stars four is just sitting
on a shelf somewhere. Uh not really. The only one I had was
about bandanas, you know, listing Josh as the most hated undeservingly person.
That's it. We should say, can can we can? We reiterate We're
going to plan to do these on Sundays. We didn't do it this Sunday
because the golf delayed, you know, push shit off, but we are
normally recording on Sundays. If you want to listen live, pay attention to
like the Facebook group or the Patreon or whatever on Sunday nights after the episode.
But then when it when it goes down to one episode, we'll be
doing these on Fridays. Isn't that way what we decided, all right?
Right, So just stay tuned to the Facebook group is probably where we'll post
that shit. Big Uncle Sweetie Carlin Anonymous ste