WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:08.039 Hudson River Radio dot Com. This is Travis Walton and you are listening to 2 00:00:08.519 --> 00:00:23.160 UFO Headquarters. Fuiful Headquarters. Hey, thank you Travis for that amazing intro 3 00:00:23.320 --> 00:00:27.679 every time I hear it. This is Michael Wharton and of course on the 4 00:00:27.679 --> 00:00:35.359 other side and Linda, I am well. And we want to, of 5 00:00:35.359 --> 00:00:39.280 course and give a quick shout out to all of our listeners near a far 6 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:42.719 And not only we give them a quick shout out, but actually today is 7 00:00:42.840 --> 00:00:47.280 about you, the listeners. Isn't that uh, where we're going with this 8 00:00:47.359 --> 00:00:53.719 tonight? Yeah, we we have. We really appreciate everyone who gets in 9 00:00:53.759 --> 00:01:00.759 touch with us, and so many really cool stories come come out of this. 10 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:06.920 So we thought we will turn it around. Rather than you listening to 11 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:10.959 us, well, in a way, you'll be listening to us listening to 12 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:18.519 you tonight. So yeah, So I want to start with putting out a 13 00:01:18.599 --> 00:01:26.799 little a little search here tonight because someone sent me a story and want an 14 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:33.640 experience and added something very intriguing that I'm trying to find out about. In 15 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:40.719 I'll just read you what he wrote in nineteen seventy nine at Walt Whitman Junior 16 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:45.840 High School in Yonkers, New York. So if that rings a bell to 17 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:51.719 anybody, you know, pay extra attention. The teachers herded the students into 18 00:01:51.760 --> 00:01:59.200 the auditorium so we could listen to a man dressed in Air Force blues tell 19 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:05.480 us that UFOs are real. It was a bizarre scene for a fourteen year 20 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:10.479 old. This man told us all about the reality of UFOs and how Bear 21 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:17.319 Mountain was the UFO hot spot of the world. He told us what to 22 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:22.639 do if we saw one. Who was this man and how was he allowed 23 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:27.360 to lecture to us has always been a mystery to me. Well, that 24 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:32.879 is a mystery in seventy nine, yea junior high school in an Air Force 25 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:37.240 you know, whether he's a listed man or an officer. I mean, 26 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:42.719 that's that's pretty wild. Yeah, And to think about it and pegging Bear 27 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:47.840 Mountain, which of course is in Harriman State Park, which is huge hot 28 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:54.960 spot over the generations. But did he come from Stuart Stewart Air Force Base 29 00:02:55.120 --> 00:03:04.439 because Project Blue Book was there until it it ended in nineteen seventy Was he 30 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:07.639 doing this on his own? Was it official? I mean that a school 31 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:15.159 would be allowing that, Yeah, I don't know to be able to do 32 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:19.719 that in a school. Yeah, let alone to just come forward as a 33 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:25.039 military personnel. I mean, that's yeah. So I've been trying to do 34 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:31.599 some online digging. There is a Facebook page for Walt Whitman Junior High. 35 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:36.599 People. I tried to send the administrator a message. Haven't heard back. 36 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:42.479 But if you were in nineteen seventy nine or thereabouts, were at Walt Whitman 37 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:46.520 Junior High in Yonkers and know anything about this, I would love to hear 38 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:52.319 from you. Yeah, that's I mean, I'm looking. I want to 39 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:54.439 know what the deal is with this. Yeah, we didn't get We didn't 40 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:59.159 get assemblies like that when I was a kid. No, me neither. 41 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:01.120 I don't. Well, I remember some assemblies, but nothing like that. 42 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:08.599 Fun no, no. So um, So we are going to start with 43 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:14.280 you having a reading a good case. But before we jump into them, 44 00:04:14.280 --> 00:04:25.879 maybe we should take our first break. Hudson River Radio dot Com Hudson River 45 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:30.720 Radio dot com, a subsidiary of Glacier Entertainment LLC, blasting the competition in 46 00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:40.439 New York's Hudson Valley, and we're back. Let the We're gonna be starting 47 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:48.399 things off with a message from the listener. Game CRISP Pinels so I will 48 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:50.839 read that. Now, bear with me. It's a little long, and 49 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:57.680 I am going to reading this in my own voice. I don't know his 50 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:00.600 voice, so I can't. Yes, we don I need to put on 51 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:04.079 a sense or anything. So yeah, I'm not good at it anyway, 52 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:09.480 as we know. All right, So this is from Christ and it says 53 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:13.079 high. I live in Maine now, but I lived in Stormville, New 54 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:17.040 York for over twenty years, on the east Fishkill side, close to the 55 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:23.480 Lundington Road exit off eighty four. My mom and I were headed home from 56 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:28.519 grocery shopping at Shopwrite and Carmel one night and had made it to Milton Road 57 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:31.920 Milltown Road. I'm sorry it was dark out. I'm probably around nine pm 58 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:36.759 in the late eighties. We were coming up the hill approaching Ballard Pond when 59 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:43.480 we saw a massive disc the size of a football field, hovering completely silently, 60 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:48.680 directly over Ballard Pond. It was less than one hundred feet over the 61 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:53.680 water and we got a close look at it. My mother stopped the car 62 00:05:53.879 --> 00:05:58.000 and we just stared at it for like ten to fifteen seconds. I'd heard 63 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:00.759 all the stories of backyards lighting up like daylight in the middle of the night 64 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:05.399 from neighbors and rumors of abductions in the lost time from books and word of 65 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:11.199 mouth. There was no Internet back then. I must have been ten or 66 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:15.680 eleven years old and just recall being terrified for that ten or fifteen seconds staring 67 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:23.079 at rows upon rows of bright white lights. My mother put the car in 68 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:27.160 reverse and peeled out in a driveway behind us, and we sped off. 69 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:34.399 I remember remember my mom saying holy shit, which wasn't a normal thing for 70 00:06:34.519 --> 00:06:40.319 mom to say. Like ever, I went to Catholic school at Saint James 71 00:06:40.360 --> 00:06:44.800 and Carmel, so my mother swearing maybe even more scary. We got home. 72 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:47.079 My dad didn't even believe us, which was beyond frustrating for me as 73 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:50.519 a ten year old kid. I slept in my parents' bed that night, 74 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:55.120 and in the morning it's all I could talk about. So my mom suggested 75 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:59.639 I call Stewart Air Force Base. So I did and was told it was 76 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:05.959 a group of planes flying information. My mother just said lies. Dad never 77 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:11.680 believes me until we saw another in broad daylight at a distance once again on 78 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:15.279 Milltown Road. I said, Dad, look what's that. He just said 79 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:21.079 nothing and just kept driving. Love your podcast. This will never ever leave 80 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:26.439 my memory until the day I die. I am forever impacted and saw what 81 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:30.800 I saw. No one will convince me otherwise. Ever, Mom would say 82 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:33.879 the same thing to this day. Thanks for the connection to others and relatable 83 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:41.399 content. Best wishes, Chris. I just love this account. Yeah, 84 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:44.920 first of all, Chris, thank you for sharing that that account with us 85 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:49.360 in our and everybody else listening to that. That's a fascinating story. Fascinating 86 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:55.040 account. Yeah, it really is. And it all goes to the visceral 87 00:07:55.199 --> 00:08:00.120 impact of you know, he's terrified, never will forget it. And I 88 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:07.160 love the comment of his Catholic mother that I mean that really brings that, 89 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:13.199 really brings it to life. It shows what was going on with her as 90 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:20.360 well. It was a holiesque moment for sure. And I got in touch 91 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:24.199 with Chris and said, you know, is it okay to read this? 92 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:28.920 And he said yes, And he added that you know this, this had 93 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:33.279 such an impact on him that if he was in the neighborhood, you know, 94 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:37.480 visiting friends or something and it was getting dark, he said, I 95 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:45.639 would literally run home from neighborhood friends houses at night until I got my driver's 96 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:52.679 license. So those ten or fifteen seconds impacted the rest of his childhood. 97 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:58.720 Well, we didn't. I'm sorry he did not want to walk down the 98 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:03.600 street at night alone. Yeah, well don't we always we A very common 99 00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:09.639 theme is this life altering experience people have, and you know, sometimes it's 100 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:13.879 a you know, life altering where it's an enlightenment they feel, you know, 101 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:18.639 they feel opened up to something new, and others it's a terrifying experience 102 00:09:18.679 --> 00:09:22.919 that lives with them and never goes away. Either way, it's it seems 103 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:26.120 to really have an impact on that moment forward for the rest of their lives. 104 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:31.399 That's I think very consistent that we see people tell us all the time, 105 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:39.480 right, whether whether positive or negative, it is life altering, changing, 106 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:43.759 impacting. However, however you want to put it so, and that 107 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:50.559 area, I have to check out Milltown Road, I know, you know, 108 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:56.519 Carmel and that other area that he's talking about. But I'm not a 109 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:01.519 Luddingtonville Road and all of that. But I'm not specifically I should have looked 110 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:07.320 that up. The Milltown, Milltown m I L L t Own. So 111 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:13.399 it was such a hot spot in the eighties. You know, we've we've 112 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:18.279 repeated this over in any any given night of the week, there could be 113 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:24.679 hundreds or thousands of witnesses to these craft. So if anybody saw something in 114 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:35.360 that Ballard Pond area, you know, maybe we'll have listeners stories Your Stories 115 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:39.600 Part two. Yeah, that would be a great So hopefully our listeners if 116 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:43.639 even if they don't live there, maybe they have friends or family or are 117 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:46.679 familiar. I mean, it would be great to collect a few more accounts 118 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:50.879 and see is there a trend or a pattern and why yeah, you know, 119 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:54.000 what is it about that area? And the other thing I liked about 120 00:10:54.039 --> 00:11:01.399 this is hovering within a hundred feet of the pond, specifically in at Duchess 121 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:09.440 Putnam County area and even in Rockland. These craft hovering over lakes, ponds, 122 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:15.840 the Hudson River itself, sometimes seeming to extract water or you know, 123 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:22.120 interacting with the water somehow. So um, yeah, just I wish I 124 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:28.559 had gotten this story before I finished the book of course, right and uh 125 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:33.240 yeah, And speaking of which, I really wish I had gotten this next 126 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:39.639 account. If we are ready to move on to the next story, yes, 127 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:45.639 I want to hear this one. Okay, So this was from Miriam 128 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:52.360 as I recently discovered your wonderful podcast and have been binge listening whenever I get 129 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:56.960 a chance. Well, thank you, Mariam. It's nice to be binged, 130 00:11:56.120 --> 00:12:05.679 isn't it. Yes, she says. I'm a retired New Yorker still 131 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:11.879 living in Manhattan. In nineteen ninety seven, I was an outreach worker doing 132 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:18.039 street homeless outreach. We worked in pairs, driving a van all over the 133 00:12:18.080 --> 00:12:24.519 city. One day in early summer ninety seven, my partner and I were 134 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:33.200 stuck in rush hour gridlock on ninth Avenue and approximately fifty fourth Street. It 135 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:37.519 was around six to seven pm, and we were headed for our break as 136 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:41.679 we worked the middle shift. And you and I are both painfully aware of 137 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:50.600 Manhattan gridlocks, especially in that particularly section of Yes, so people in the 138 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:56.960 other parts of the country you don't know track Well, maybe LA's I hear, 139 00:12:56.000 --> 00:13:03.440 that's a huge parking lot, But downtown Manhattan gridlock, you know, 140 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:11.039 break out a good book and anyway, so she continues. As we're sitting 141 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:18.159 there, inching along, barely moving, we both suddenly noticed a very bright, 142 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:26.279 shiny object in the distance performing maneuvers no known aircraft could possibly perform. 143 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:33.080 It would have been about two miles distance, likely over Battery Park Wall Street 144 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:37.639 area. Very familiar with that. My brother lived in Battery Park for many 145 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:43.879 years, so you know, if you're in the city, you can visualize 146 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:48.960 this. You're around fifty fourth looking down to the battery. My partner was 147 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:54.600 a Vietnam Vet, familiar with aircraft, and he was as dumbfounded as I 148 00:13:54.840 --> 00:14:01.679 was as we watched the strange light zig zagging, stopping dead on a dime, 149 00:14:03.600 --> 00:14:09.279 hovering and reversing course left to right. As we watched, we saw 150 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:13.840 that it had changed direction and was heading our way. To this day, 151 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:20.399 I can't say how long it took. It seems to me that we'd barely 152 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:26.919 gone a block when there it was a dark gray triangle with rows of round 153 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:33.639 white lights and one much larger round light in the middle. I guess the 154 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:41.279 look on my face matched Perry's the wutf look. We stuck our heads out 155 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:48.399 our respective windows to get a better view as it glided silently by going north. 156 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:56.480 Wow. Wow. And you know one of the things skeptics say that 157 00:14:56.639 --> 00:15:01.960 drives me up a wall is, Oh, it's only you know, hicks 158 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:09.120 hillbillies out in the mountain country. Who cufos? Really? How about midtown 159 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:16.879 Manhattan during rush hour, a massive silent triangle. So before we get into 160 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:20.440 the discussion of this, you know, just to point out it was silent. 161 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:26.399 It had three rows of lights in a V shape and then the one 162 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:30.919 large one which we hear all the time. With the triangles. It seemed 163 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:35.519 to be made of like a matt gray metal. And I love this. 164 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:41.679 Next to them in traffic was a woman in a red jeep with the top 165 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:48.240 off, and she stood up staring at this thing. And she Miriam described 166 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:54.840 her as laughing in a controlled hysteria. I mean, what a vivid picture. 167 00:15:54.879 --> 00:16:00.679 Would I love to talk to this woman in the red jeep right standing 168 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:07.919 up barely barely, you know, I'm barely in control of herself, just 169 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:18.240 completely hysterical. And you know, Miriam's other question or big question is how 170 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:22.240 could no one else see this enormous craft? Well, I think they had 171 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:30.840 to clearly red jeep woman saw it. But what do you think of this 172 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:34.639 story? It is New York City, so it just looked up and said, 173 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:40.080 figures, that's the clause of traffic. You know, let's say, 174 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:45.399 slammed their fist on the dashboard. But you know, first of all, 175 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:49.399 I love her descriptions the description of the lights, but the Matt gray metal, 176 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:56.879 the attention to detail here is is really particularly fascinating to me. I 177 00:16:56.919 --> 00:17:00.480 appreciate a good witness like this because it really paints that image so much more 178 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:06.640 deeply in the art than the mind. But it makes you wonder how did 179 00:17:06.759 --> 00:17:11.240 no one else see it? Or did they see it? And I always 180 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:15.319 wonder that when you're in these very populated areas, is it selective? Can 181 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:17.799 certain people see them in certain people can't? I don't know. Yeah, 182 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:22.000 that's a good point. I think that's probably it. But you know, 183 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:26.599 we had three witnesses there, you know, Miriam, her her friend, 184 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:32.039 and the woman in the jeep. But I'm sure a lot more. But 185 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:37.000 you know, people didn't still don't know what to do when they have a 186 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:41.839 sighting. You know, there's the ridicule factors, so they'll keep quiet, 187 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:45.119 and even if they do want to report it, you call the police, 188 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:51.160 they'll hang up on you. You know, you call the local airport, 189 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:56.200 they'll say, you know, essentially get lost. So unless you know about 190 00:17:56.279 --> 00:18:03.160 Moufon and New Fork or some local organization, you don't have any other way 191 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:07.880 to report it. So I would love, love, love if there are 192 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:15.319 any listeners out there who are in Manhattan in ninety seven, stuck in uh 193 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:21.000 ninth and fifty four or anywhere really from fifty fourth down to the battery. 194 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:26.880 But what does this say to the craft it? I mean, it's not 195 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:32.440 trying to stay hidden. No, that's another interesting concept to think about, 196 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:34.920 is why would you, I mean, unless you want to be seen. 197 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:41.240 Pick Manhattan Island on Russia Hour on any given day and people are going to 198 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:42.720 see, right. I mean, that's a great way to get attention. 199 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:51.279 So it either didn't care or it deliberately wanted to be seen. Yeah, 200 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:56.920 sou And you know, I guess I want to mention two is going back 201 00:18:56.920 --> 00:19:02.319 to ninety seven. It was a different time in you know, with people 202 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:07.160 feeling the confidence to report these type of experiences. Looking back on that time, 203 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:08.039 I was in college, by the way, in this going to city 204 00:19:08.039 --> 00:19:11.640 at the time, commuting, but I think early summer I would have been 205 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:15.920 out for the semester. Oh dude, you could have been there. I 206 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:18.119 know, why why don't always miss these things? But again, in ninety 207 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:21.599 seven, you know, someone like me was interested in this stuff, reading 208 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:25.839 books. It was still early internet. You still didn't have the World Wide 209 00:19:25.839 --> 00:19:29.359 Web like we have it today, and people would have been much more reluctant, 210 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:33.279 you know, twenty five years ago or soda to report this stuff versus 211 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:34.920 today. If it happens, it'd probably be all over the internet. People, 212 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:38.720 oh share this. Yeah, if this was a twenty twenty three event, 213 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:45.160 every cell phone would be out the car window getting video of it. 214 00:19:47.319 --> 00:19:52.400 Yeah. So yeah, if anybody saw that, and if if you know 215 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:56.559 somebody who's driving a red jeep in Manhattan around that time and it was a 216 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:02.079 woman asked her if she had any sight, because I just, I just, 217 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:07.640 I just I can see that so clearly, this woman standing up in 218 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:11.720 her jeep with the top off. You know, you've you've got jeeps and 219 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:17.480 you've you know, I can picture that standing up there, just in this 220 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:26.119 controlled, hysterical laughing. How do you process something like that? How has 221 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:30.880 she and how has this event affected her going forward? I mean, clearly, 222 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:37.079 to her was a much different experience than Miriam and the partner with right, 223 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:44.079 it's two very contrasting experiences. Yes, yes, um, two people 224 00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:51.079 fascinated and one uh fascinated but not handling it so well? Right, Yeah, 225 00:20:51.079 --> 00:20:53.720 I would I would like to hear from this person so if you're listening 226 00:20:53.799 --> 00:20:57.359 or know who it might be, please please, please please get in touch 227 00:20:57.359 --> 00:21:02.319 with you. Yeah, and I'm always interested in you know, Manhattan sightings. 228 00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:11.400 Well we did them the Stonehenge apartment case, you know, right across 229 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:17.640 the Hudson River from Manhattan. Um. So yeah, it just fascinates me 230 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:21.759 to no end when you know, largest one of the largest cities in the 231 00:21:21.759 --> 00:21:26.839 world has a Matt Gray triangle all lit up, you know, slowly silently 232 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:34.559 moving over and nothing, nothing is done, no pursuit planes. Uh, 233 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:41.000 probably nothing in the papers. Um, welcome to uphology. And how would 234 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:45.799 this have looked to the people working in the high rise buildings too? I 235 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:51.400 mean can you imagine looking out the window and seeing a triangle up in the 236 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:55.680 sky, yeah, or passing by your window or coming by. I mean 237 00:21:55.720 --> 00:21:59.640 I just can't imagine. Yeah, you do it just like, um, 238 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:03.279 maybe I should go home now, I don't know. Well John Lennon, 239 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:08.680 Yeah, John Lennon's sighting was He's on the rooftop and it went right by 240 00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:15.119 him, not much higher than his building. So it does happen. And 241 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:18.799 that was at the Dakota Hotel right where he had that. I believe it 242 00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:23.319 was I believe it was that hotel. Yeah, so that's a um By 243 00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:27.960 Central Park if I remember, yeah, yeah, right, Yeah, it 244 00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:33.240 might have been a different apartment building. But you know, point being right, 245 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:37.680 he's on top of a building and this is is practically eye level with 246 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:44.200 him. So so I was gonna just tell you really quick, there's this, 247 00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:48.559 you know, concept of hiding in plain site sometimes where sometimes the most 248 00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:52.960 obvious thing you think everybody should see is the one that um that no one 249 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:57.559 does. Yeah, that's true too. So park keys do it all the 250 00:22:57.559 --> 00:23:06.880 time, my wallet, my glasses. Yeah yeah, and it doesn't get 251 00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:11.680 any better, but there is. But there is some truth to that about 252 00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:15.319 hiding in plain sight. Sometimes the most obvious thing is the one that everybody 253 00:23:15.319 --> 00:23:19.920 doesn't even bother to notice. Yeah, you know, you're if you're screaming 254 00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:26.559 and cursing, uh, crawling through traffic and something's moving overhead you you might 255 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:30.160 not even look up right in Manhattan, you might just think it's a helicopter. 256 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:33.119 It's I don't I don't care what it is. I need to get 257 00:23:33.160 --> 00:23:40.039 out of traffic. Huh, yeah exactly. So, well we have we 258 00:23:40.119 --> 00:23:45.039 have a bunch of short ones. But why don't we take our second break 259 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:52.279 and come back to more listener your stories. This is Hundson River Radio dot 260 00:23:52.319 --> 00:24:11.920 com, your local Rockland County station. This is Hudson River Radio dot Com. 261 00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:17.079 Soar back here and um Lynton, I'm still processing this New York City 262 00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:22.680 experience. Yeah, I just think about all the times I was in Lower 263 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:26.000 Manhattan commuting to and from the Bronx and never saw anything like that. I'm 264 00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:30.000 not sure I would have been looking up. Yeah, now I'm you know, 265 00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:36.000 oh yeah, the hundreds of hours I've spent driving in Manhattan. Um, 266 00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:40.480 I've seen a lot of weird things, but they are terrestrial. Yes, 267 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:48.160 yeah, exactly. Um, but yeah, so you just it just 268 00:24:48.279 --> 00:24:52.559 goes to show you never know when and where you could have a sighting. 269 00:24:53.200 --> 00:24:57.039 You know, it could be broad daylight in Manhattan. You could be alone 270 00:24:57.079 --> 00:25:03.640 on the top of a mountain somewhere. So keep those eyes open. Yeah. 271 00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:06.119 I think that's probably the best point to make here, is that you 272 00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:10.559 really can't predict where and when this might happen. You have to really be 273 00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:15.960 open to it at any time. Yeah, yep, keep those cameras hands, 274 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:25.400 yes please. So March seventeenth, I had mentioned on my Hudson Valley 275 00:25:25.480 --> 00:25:30.200 UFOs facebook page that the seventeenth, I think we did a whole show on 276 00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:37.519 this is a popular day of the year for sightings. Yes, and got 277 00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:42.839 a comment from Jenny. She says, I am up here on Lake Champlain 278 00:25:44.599 --> 00:25:49.640 the last decade and I always see a lot of craft this time of year, 279 00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:56.319 early morning hours over the lake. There's something about the twenty to thirty 280 00:25:56.400 --> 00:26:04.400 five degree fahrenheit amperature that draws them here. And I kind of sat up 281 00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:11.640 when I read that. I'm like, it is temperature a factor? I 282 00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:18.279 don't, I don't know. That's excellent, excellent question. Is it something 283 00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:25.839 about the phenomena that brings them out more or certain types at certain times? 284 00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:30.000 You know, certainly there's a lot of winter sightings and their sightings all year 285 00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:37.759 round. But I have to admit I have not considered temperature as a variable 286 00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:44.400 in sightings reports. No one here we have the well, we have that 287 00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:47.240 common theme of a lake. We do have a lot of these sightings are 288 00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:52.759 over bodies of water, right, But it must be maybe it's specific to 289 00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:59.920 this location around Lake Champlain that she noticed that this pattern emerges where around Mark 290 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.920 seventeenth or on March seventeenth, you know, around that time period when the 291 00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:07.200 temperatures are right within this range is when there seems to be a lot more 292 00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:11.720 activity. Is it specific, you know, is it something that applies to 293 00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:15.880 all over? Is it specific to what's going on there? And what could 294 00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:19.079 temperature maybe influence? I wonder if it has something to do whether the lake 295 00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:22.720 is frozen or not. You know, if it's eight degrees and the lake 296 00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:29.599 is frozen, and you know, we again this interaction with water coming in 297 00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:32.839 and out of the water. Maybe it isn't so easy to come in and 298 00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:37.279 out if it's frozen, right, But again twenty to thirty five and the 299 00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:45.160 fact that she is cognizant of that range there, So I you know, 300 00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:49.119 I don't have an answer. I'm just bringing this up because I'm curious what 301 00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:55.240 everybody else thinks or experiences, or if anybody has any data on this. 302 00:27:55.400 --> 00:28:00.359 It's certainly something. I love this when people write in because because you're always 303 00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:04.200 going to learn something and maybe it has nothing to do with it, maybe 304 00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:08.200 it has everything to do with it. So, you know, when you're 305 00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:15.599 working on something that's essentially unknown, you grasp at every puzzle piece you can 306 00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:21.519 you can get a hold of. Yeah, it's it's good practice, I 307 00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:26.119 think, not to just outright dismiss anything that could potentially be, you know, 308 00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:30.000 influencing what's going on, because we don't know. Yeah. So you 309 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:33.599 know, if you think something's irrelevant and we just say, ah, that's 310 00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:37.640 not important, well we may have just thrown away the most important piece of 311 00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:41.960 the puzzle that we needed because we didn't think it was important. So we 312 00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:45.640 almost have to really, because it's such an unknown you have to be open 313 00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:49.480 to everything. Yeah, and then work and then work from there. Yeah, 314 00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:56.079 which is why I went full steam ahead into the animal reactions because it's 315 00:28:56.119 --> 00:29:02.319 like, wait, we are throwing away valuable information here. These are highly 316 00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:11.200 credible witnesses with senses we don't possess. So yeah, so now temperature is 317 00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:18.319 on the table when when I'm interviewing witnesses and you know, reading reading other 318 00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:23.480 cases. So all right, I have a few more I we're doing. 319 00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:27.880 How are we doing on time? There? We're doing good? Yep. 320 00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:37.000 Okay, So the Croton Reservoir over there in Putnam County. Again, all 321 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:45.279 roads, all UFO roads lead to Putnam at some point. But this woman 322 00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:49.799 wrote that my dad, who is sixty eight now, was commuting back and 323 00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:56.559 forth from White Plains to Putnam Valley, which I have to pause there as 324 00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:02.599 somebody told me many years ago, and I kind of smissed Putnam Valley has 325 00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:08.680 weird s going on. I was like, okay, boy, were they 326 00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:15.880 right? But I digress. So he's commuting back and forth from White Plains 327 00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:22.599 to Putnam Valley whilst while building our house. One day, while commuting southbound 328 00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:29.119 on the Croton Bridge, my dad saw UFO. It seemed to just hover 329 00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:36.000 over the reservoir. He said, cars were stopped on the Taconic State Parkway. 330 00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:42.359 Everyone was awe struck. My dad is very subdued, a quiet introvert. 331 00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:49.200 He never brings it up unless asked. The story sort of became family 332 00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:55.319 folklore. Now that everyone has come forward, it all makes sense. The 333 00:30:55.440 --> 00:31:00.039 dates line up to the nineteen eighty four sightings. He is very analytical in 334 00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:07.640 nature, very matter of fact about the whole situation. So here we are 335 00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:14.640 once again water, the Croton Reservoir, the Taconic. We just keep coming 336 00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:19.960 back and back to these locations in the Hudson Valley. Yeah, I um. 337 00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:25.519 I like. She mentioned that this person was going to ask for more 338 00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:26.799 information, which I would love to hear. Yeah, Oh, I am 339 00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:33.400 asking her for more information. Okay, yes, because I would love to 340 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:37.279 hear much more detail from what did he see? Right, I'm sure there's 341 00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:41.039 much more he would he could tell us. Yeah, this is just the 342 00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:47.000 tantalizing order. I would like to speak to him to get the details. 343 00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:51.920 But you know, I've interviewed so many people and written about it and lectured 344 00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:56.759 about it. People stopping on the Taconics, stopping and watching craft hovering over 345 00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:01.440 the Croton. I don't know what it is about that Croton Reservoir, but 346 00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:08.039 craft coming in and out of it or just hovering over it. And you 347 00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:15.559 know, it's not a seven forty seven or formation of planes that makes people 348 00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:22.400 pull over on the side of the road of dangerous highways and roadways and get 349 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:29.599 out and stand staring at all. It is something dramatic and life changing they're 350 00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:35.359 looking at exactly, especially when they're seeing details and describing it's a triangle. 351 00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:40.480 They're not looking at a bunch of small airplanes flying in formation. They're looking 352 00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:45.160 at what they appears to be a triangle. You know, we have to 353 00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:50.240 that the first story and we talked about with Stuart saying it's planes flying information, 354 00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:57.720 I mean just yeah, or it's a massive disk with roads, white 355 00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:01.440 lights spinning around. There's seeing something that they're describing in detail. They're not 356 00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:04.920 just saying, Okay, I saw some weird lights in the sky, which 357 00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:07.839 could be an airplane. Maybe it's a you don't recognize it, but when 358 00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:12.319 you get into the details like that, it's hard to just dismiss it as 359 00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:16.000 airplanes. And I think that's yeah, yep. It makes me cringe every 360 00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:21.240 time I hear them do that. Oh please, what was that? Slowly 361 00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:25.559 I turned from the old movie when yah, yeah, what was that? 362 00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:31.319 Was that? Laurel and Hardy, Aben Costello? Maybe it was Abbott, 363 00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:36.839 Oh maybe it was Abbott and Costello. Oh okay. So everybody's like, 364 00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:38.880 you know, the younger crowd is like, who what is she talking about? 365 00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:45.720 Costello? Who? Laurel and Costello? Yeah, part of the Mark's 366 00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:52.359 sisters. Um, all right, so let's go on to Jody now is 367 00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:57.720 saying I don't remember the exact date or year, but it was the mid 368 00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:01.960 eighties and my best friend and I were walking around the block late at night 369 00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:07.400 in the Spring Valley Moncey area, which was the next town over from where 370 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:13.800 I was living in the eighties. There was a craft hovering over us, 371 00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:21.320 not much higher than the telephone pole, with lights going around and around underneath. 372 00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:25.559 I just remember us looking at it, and the next thing I knew, 373 00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:32.599 we were walking down the street. Well, isn't that interesting? Yeah? 374 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:37.000 What does that imply to you? I think they may have some missing 375 00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:40.039 time that they're not we're aware of at the time. At least, I 376 00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:44.000 don't know if they've ever looked back and said, wait a minute, I 377 00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:49.000 might have missed some time here. Yeah, something was messing with their memory 378 00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:52.719 for sure. If you're standing, you know, watching something. No, 379 00:34:53.519 --> 00:35:00.760 you know, telephone poles are not very high, so something with spinning lights 380 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:07.360 the height of a telephone pole, and the next thing you know, Ladida, 381 00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:13.920 we're walking down the street. Hey, what just happened? Very interesting 382 00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:21.280 And actually the earliest abduction case I know from this area was from Spring Valley 383 00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:28.199 in nineteen twenty nine. So, and she had a couple of other things. 384 00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:32.199 She said in the late seventies, she saw something. I saw something 385 00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:37.280 outside of my window when I was a kid. I didn't even know what 386 00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:40.559 a UFO was, but I know whatever I saw, and that's in the 387 00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:46.320 sky that night gave me chills. So not much in the details, but 388 00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:53.760 we're getting oh one sighting is interesting too, are we? Are we getting 389 00:35:53.760 --> 00:36:00.119 a pattern here with this individual the fact that she remembers this memory from the 390 00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:05.039 late seventies, right, I mean that it was significant. She may not 391 00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:08.800 recall the specific details of that or the why, but this definitely again, 392 00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:14.519 there goes that lifelong. It's an ingrained memory. Yeah, so wonder what 393 00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:19.599 else happened that night that she doesn't remember? Was right? Again? But 394 00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:22.360 I do want to point out I was a kid in the late seventies, 395 00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:28.679 and yeah, I was that kid that knew about UFOs. Sadly that was 396 00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:34.960 me. No, that's why you're here today. Yes, And then she 397 00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:40.559 had one other comment which just hit all the bells and whistles. Here. 398 00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:46.559 My ex fiance and I were up at the Warwick Drive in approximately two thousand 399 00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:53.199 and five, thereabouts a little further beyond the screen before the movie was coming 400 00:36:53.239 --> 00:37:00.440 on, and just before twilight, there were about five objects dancing in the 401 00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:07.119 sky. I remember being mesmerized staring at it, and all of a sudden, 402 00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:12.679 and all of a sudden, he asked me if I was seeing what 403 00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:19.840 he was seeing. Yep, they exist, so Warwick Drive in. I've 404 00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:24.679 I've had so many different people tell me about sightings at the Warwick Drive in. 405 00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:29.000 I've been to the Warwick Drive and so many times. I haven't had 406 00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:34.239 a sighting there, but I do have a story. I don't know if 407 00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:37.280 it was it was two thousand and five is kind of early, but I 408 00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:44.280 think it was early two tens. I was giving a UFO lecture at the 409 00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:50.480 Warwick Library. And as I'm leaving, you know, I'm packing. You 410 00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:53.039 know, you give a lecture and you have to. Everybody's leaving and you're 411 00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:59.199 packing up everything, getting ready to go, people start running in. There 412 00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:04.360 was just a u f O over the library, really low, Like what 413 00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:07.599 what? And by the time I got out, there was gone, And 414 00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:12.960 I'm like, okay, so ay, the military knew I was giving a 415 00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:19.159 talk and they're just messing with us all or b. The ets knew I 416 00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:22.599 was giving a uf by oh talking, which is messing with I mean, 417 00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:28.519 what are the chances of And many people saw it. I think it was 418 00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:35.559 triangular, went right over the library. Um, that's that's too weird. 419 00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:38.039 Did you ever consider that maybe they just wanted to get low enough because like, 420 00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:42.639 hey, I think she's talking about it. Right, Hey, that's 421 00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:45.159 a picture of you, Joe, that was me? Remember that was us 422 00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:50.679 flying over that? Yeah, I mean that is quite an interesting coincidence. 423 00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:55.559 Yeah yeah. So here again, here's another one with that Warwick uh drive 424 00:38:55.679 --> 00:39:00.360 in. And I do want to point out that Preston Dennett, who's been 425 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:04.480 a guest on our show, has a book all about drive in sightings. 426 00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:07.880 Yeah. So he's a good friend of us on our show, and I 427 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:10.679 hope definitely encourage people to get his books. I mean, yes, yeah, 428 00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:16.960 And it makes sense because you're sitting out and you know, the dark 429 00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:22.039 and a big open area, and you've got hundreds, if not thousands of 430 00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:28.440 people sitting there watching a movie. What a great opportunity to see something going 431 00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:31.199 on in the sky, right and you're you're probably gonna notice it because you 432 00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:37.199 are looking up towards a screen. You're not looking straight ahead. You're probably 433 00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:38.679 gonna be looking up a little bit from It's been a long time since I've 434 00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:44.639 been to a drive in, but I love drive ins. I can't wait 435 00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:49.960 for them to reopen. I go go back. But anyway, yeah, 436 00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:58.400 so drive ins another another great place to suff So hopefully people Croton Reservoir, 437 00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:02.519 Puntnam Valley, that Allard Pond, the Warwick Drive in if you're looking to 438 00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:07.840 have a UFO experience, we probably could have termed this where to go to 439 00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:15.039 view a UFO. Yeah, so all right, I have a couple more 440 00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:21.320 if we're doing okay on time, little brief one. I actually did end 441 00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:27.599 up including this in my book, but this was from Scott and he's talking 442 00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:36.320 about while I'll just read this, the triangular craft with intense lights. He 443 00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:43.679 was reading about something I had posted sounds similar to the craft I drove right 444 00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:49.400 under outside of Bullville, New York, a number of years ago. Now 445 00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:54.480 Bullville is a stone's throw from Pine Bush, I should point out, which 446 00:40:54.639 --> 00:41:00.280 was also seen by many others that summer around Warwick, New York. We're 447 00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:06.199 back to Warwick again. I wanted to take a picture. Okay, here 448 00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:08.960 we go. Let me let me start that again. I wanted to take 449 00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:16.320 a picture, but an overwhelming feeling of dread came over me. And I 450 00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:22.320 don't scare easily, and I knew I should just get the hell out of 451 00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:27.679 their a sap. Do you know how many times people have told me they 452 00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:32.599 saw something They reach for their cell phone their camera, and something in their 453 00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:37.119 head says, you can't take a picture. No, that's the last thing 454 00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:44.360 you should do. You know, something terrifying comes over them and they stop 455 00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:47.719 and don't take the picture. And later on they get home and they're like, 456 00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:52.079 wait a minute, why didn't I take them? Yeah? I remember 457 00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:55.800 this one lady. She's like, what the hell? I had my cell 458 00:41:55.880 --> 00:42:00.920 phone in my hand, but there was this terror, horrible feeling. Don't 459 00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:07.239 take a picture. What's up with that? Yeah? That? Um, 460 00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:12.239 and I can't imagine. I mean, I've we've all been places where it 461 00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:14.519 says no, no photography and you got your cell phone. You're like, 462 00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:16.280 well, I want a picture of this, and you're only trying to be 463 00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:21.840 as discreet as possible what you're probably not being, but um, you know, 464 00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:24.360 you know, you get a little anxious, like, oh, you 465 00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:28.199 know, I don't want to get caught doing this. Can you imagine feeling 466 00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:31.400 that inside and not being in a place where you're not supposed to take photos 467 00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:34.960 of just thinking oh, I should take a photo of this, this is 468 00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.559 a something I don't know, and then getting that dread inside like no, 469 00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:45.280 I really probably shouldn't do this. Um, how is that communicated exactly exactly. 470 00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:53.840 Um, there is a definite fear response to all kinds of encounters sightings, 471 00:42:54.360 --> 00:43:00.559 Um, you know, close encounters, seeing something moving, you know, 472 00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:07.840 ahead of you, and it's it's irrational. It's irrational. There's no 473 00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:14.760 good reason why you don't just snap a few pictures. I mean, you 474 00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:17.840 can be scared of a lot of things and still take a picture of it 475 00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:24.039 right right, you know. But yeah, So I wanted to include that 476 00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:32.920 one because that is also a common thread. So I just have one last 477 00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:38.719 one. And this was a nice handwritten letter. I still love getting handwritten 478 00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:45.199 letters, so please po box one nine two, Blooming Grove, New York, 479 00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:51.719 one O nine one four. I still very much enjoy getting handwrit because 480 00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:57.360 this man wrote some. It made some great sketches. Really helps to visualize 481 00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:05.840 a person's story. So this is from Allen from November nineteen sixty six in 482 00:44:06.039 --> 00:44:13.519 New Jersey, Ramapo Mountains area, not too far from the Wanaque Reservoir, 483 00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:16.920 which I don't know did we cover that. If we did not cover that 484 00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:21.920 in the show, we have to I don't think we did, Okay, 485 00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:25.039 so we'll have to do that. We may have mentioned it. January of 486 00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:32.239 nineteen sixty six, one of the top mass sightings. So anyway, he's 487 00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:40.159 in that area in living there in November. His parents' house is next to 488 00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:49.559 his uncle's house along Skyline Drive, and he said, a fifty foot dark 489 00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:58.159 disc with lights around the edges is slowly passing by. It was maybe a 490 00:44:58.280 --> 00:45:04.400 thousand feet away on one hundred feet up. That is not high or an 491 00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:09.920 aircraft going over you. And the lights on the edge of this craft illuminated 492 00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:15.599 his uncle's roof. So a lot of times we hear there were these bright 493 00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:22.159 lights, but it didn't light up the ground. This one specifically lit up 494 00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:30.440 his uncle's house before before moving off, and he had another. He did 495 00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:37.800 great sketch to help me visualize the direction of the craft. Five years later, 496 00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:43.559 in nineteen seventy one, this same uncle, next to our uncle, 497 00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:51.440 his son Mike, was back from Vietnam and liked to climb trees. Okay, 498 00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:57.280 so I guess he was still dealing with things and felt comfortable going up 499 00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:01.440 in trees, probably felt safer. But when he was up in one of 500 00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:07.840 these trees by his house a truck. I have to describe this visually. 501 00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:15.639 Here a triangle of balls of light, So picture if you're looking down at 502 00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:21.840 bowling pins, you know the way they're formed, you know, in a 503 00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:25.760 triangle, only a lot more bowling pins packed into that triangle. Balls of 504 00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:31.360 light is moving again slowly. Oh. I don't know what it was about 505 00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:36.679 this uncle's house, but again not too far from the Wanaque River, and 506 00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:43.719 that whole area is also a hot spot. Two Air Force jets come after 507 00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:52.280 this thing, and this triangular balls of lights instantly split apart and went in 508 00:46:52.440 --> 00:47:02.199 all different directions. That's wow. Yeah. Uh right. Um, we've 509 00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:07.840 heard of craft seeming to break into pieces, and you know, maybe all 510 00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:15.280 travel together sometimes. But you can just picture these Air Air Force pilots all 511 00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:20.719 right, we're gonna get this UFO this time, and and they all take 512 00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:24.880 off and scatter like a herd of cats all over the place, and they 513 00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:30.320 got bupp gets. Yeah. That puts an end to that chase. Yes, 514 00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:38.199 so um yeah, So that's that's the selection. I I you know, 515 00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:43.000 we would be here all night if I read everything everybody wrote in. 516 00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:47.960 I just thought this was a good selection that had some cool talking points um 517 00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:53.800 with them. But as they used to say, keep those cards and letters 518 00:47:53.840 --> 00:48:02.239 to come right U and emails and texts and face book messages. But yeah, 519 00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:08.840 I it's it's an opportunity to share your story on either, like I 520 00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:14.960 said my Hudson Valley UFOs facebook page, you know, to comment on something, 521 00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:19.800 you can email Mike and I m you can write to us. But 522 00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:28.239 it helps other people to hear similar stories because they don't feel so alone. 523 00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:35.760 And you know how many of these people would just absolutely love it if somebody, 524 00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:39.199 you know, their story was shared by some other listener who then got 525 00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:45.199 in touch with us. Yeah, absolutely, you know, yeah, so 526 00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:51.119 there we haven't any other comments, no, I think, I mean, 527 00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:55.119 I want to thank the listeners who did you know write in, who have 528 00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:59.519 written in in the past, and if you're thinking about it, please do 529 00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:02.119 I mean, and you have you have a captive audience amongst London. I 530 00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:08.480 absolutely always happy to hear um, not just your experiences, but what do 531 00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:12.199 you think also? You know, um, I'd love to hear what people 532 00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:15.199 think about why you know, what do they think about the temperature? Yeah? 533 00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:20.679 What are their ideas um? Or how come the UFO can be seen 534 00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:23.840 over Manhattan Island and not a lot of people report it. I'd love to 535 00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:27.800 hear what people think about this. You know what are your thoughts, what 536 00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:31.880 are your you know, best guesses to some extent as to what's going on 537 00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:36.480 here, right, and and that's what you and I do. We make 538 00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:40.599 our best guesses based on you know, we may have more data data because 539 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:45.880 you know, we researched this a lot more, we spend a lot more 540 00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:52.440 time on it, but ultimately we don't have the answers right. So we'd 541 00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:58.920 love to hear what other people think. And if you enjoyed this episode hearing 542 00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:06.360 you know other people's cases, let us know, because there is no lack 543 00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:09.800 of material to do another episode like this sometime. Yeah, we would definitely 544 00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:14.880 definitely something we may have to do again, So please let us know. 545 00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:21.559 Yep, so bring us out, Mike in your own inimitable style. Oh 546 00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:25.480 no, now I feel like I have to perform no no again. Listen 547 00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:30.360 everybody, Thank you. We really do appreciate everybody takes the time to listen 548 00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:34.039 to us. Who nine listens to us? 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