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M M. What's up everybody.
This is the Titans Fan Battle Podcast,

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Rock You by the Fan Battlesports Network. I'm your host, Maximus Titan Fan

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and my co host today as always
it's your boy Flame and mister flame Wild,

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number one Titan fan in the world, and we had literally so much

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fun on the last show that we
had with this guy, we had to

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invite him back, especially for the
Hopkins welcoming party. Mister Cortland Griffin,

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go ahead and introduce yourself. Man, oh man, I'm glad to be

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back on the show. Guys.
Um, you know, we got a

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lie to talk about, and we've
been a place to talk about Titans news

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and the Tights Fan of a podcast. Hey, thanks for being here,

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man. We appreciate it all right, So of course everybody wants to talk

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about it. Everybody wants to know
all the details. Like literally, I've

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been my I don't know about you. My social media has been nuts lately.

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I literally haven't been able to hardly
keep up with it, um,

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but we signed him. The news
was announced I think Sunday writing about one

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thirty. I think they were literally
waiting on people to get out of church,

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which is hilarious. But I literally
think that's why they dropped it at

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one thirty because they were like a
church. Yeah that's good. Um,

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of course that's our that's our that's
our thing, not Central Time. So

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I guess that blows my theory out
of the water. But anyway, Um,

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he signed a two year deal twenty
six million, thirty two I think

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guarantees um, and then he has
three million in incentitives different incentives. M

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I think the breakdown is right here, done by Ian rappaportum catches, you

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know, done by reception yards and
touchdowns. You know, basically it's it's

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pretty easy, you know. If
he gets like I think it's ten fifty

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eighty receptions or yeah, eighty receptions, ten fifty yards and uh ten touchdowns,

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he meets all three and gets three
million extra. So but hey,

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you know, on the last time
we were talking about this Courtland, I

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don't know if you remember or not, but my boy flame here literally said

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fifteen million a year and we were, well, we were talking about a

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second contract, but he said fifteen
million a year and men and you were

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like, nah, twenty twenty five, you know, like twenty and twenty

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two. You know, we don't
care, you know, So to me

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it feels like we're kind of getting
him for a discount. Oh yeah,

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I was gonna say, how do
you feel about that? But and this

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is this is Ran Carthon. This
is Ryan Carthon and his wheelhouse at work,

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right, this is where he is
perfect. He's not John Robinson.

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If this is John Robinson, it
would have been seven million, probably seven

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point five millions somewhere in there.
A year, one year deal. Let's

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figure it out, and you know, throw some the centers in there,

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and you would have got maybe up
to that base base pay of like twelve

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million, where his base page twelve
being on this contract and he can get

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up to fifteen. This is Ryan
Carthon at his at his finals, right.

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And then here's the thing about it
that people are on this. You

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see two years if you're like,
okay, twenty twenty, twenty four,

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twenty twenty four, twenty five,
and then he goes on and rides off

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into the sunset, maybe with another
team, right. Wrong, You get

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one year. Hey, you go
out there, even if we're seven and

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ten team, you go out there
and show us that you're DeAndre Hopkins of

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twenty twenty right where he had fourteen
hundred and six touch downs and I believe

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like one hundred and fifteen receptions.
Right, you show us that guy or

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even just a glimpse of that guy. You're on a one year deal this

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year now, and we have one
hundred and twenty five million dollars to play

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with it. You don't think they're
gonna go resign that guy to another two

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maybe three year deal. Yes,
a third draw here a thirty four to

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thirty five year old receiver, sounds
like a lot to pay him, right,

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But when it's a guy that shows
you that, hey, I was

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suspected one year, I was injured
the next year, but I'm still a

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perennial, all pro perennial, you
know, pro Bowl receiver. Why not

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paying well, even even if you
look at last season stats. You know,

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I hear a lot of people say
that, especially a lot of people

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in the AFC South. But I
hear a lot of people say that,

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oh, he's washed up, He's
going to the Titans to end his career

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like all the others receivers d you
know, But I feel like, you

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know, we talked about this last
time. If he was to come here,

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I feel like he would break that
trend because he's he's still producing at

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a high rate. If you look
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Okay, don't don't pay attention to
those numbers. Pay attention to eighty

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yard per game average, right,
eighty yards a game. That's what he

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was producing back in Houston. He
was finally getting into some kind of rhythm

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with Kyler Murray or you know whoever
he was playing quarterback with, because I

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think Kyler was hurt part of last
year. But the max I'll do you

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want better? I do you want
better? Can I interest you in sixty

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six percent on his of his catches
right of his targets with catches? Can

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I interest you? And eleven point
two yards per route? Can I interest

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you in three touchdowns? I mean, you know, can I interest you

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in thirty five first downs? And
he played one that's game in the previous

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year where he was suspended, he
had thirty what was it, Oh yeah,

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he had thirty two first downs.
So in one more game, right,

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he gave you three first downs.
This is a guy who can now

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only move the change, but he
can get you into the end, Zoe.

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He can score. He's gonna draw
double teams. He's like he said,

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whatever team signs me, I'm gonna
make your job a lot easy.

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And see that's presence. That's what
kind of excites me about getting DeAndre Hopkins

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because it was his game is not
based on speed, is not based on

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you know, him just going out
there, you know, burning receivers like

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dude is basically a receiver the hass
hands like he's gonna catch whatever is thrown

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to him. So, I mean, I've never seen him. I can't

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say never, but it's not a
lot of times what DeAndre Hopkins catches the

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ball and gets a lot of rack
like how A. J. Brown used

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to do, but it can't.
But I've never like, I never,

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I never liked his rack because a
lot of times it seem like he catch

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the ball and he'd give himself up. But that's cool, stay healthy,

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that's what we need. But I
always like his hands, like he's gonna

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be there when we need the first
Damn. He's gonna catch the passes that

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a lot of receivers don't catch.
He's gonna transform our offense and he's gonna

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be reliable. That's what we need. Like it's too many times the ball

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is thrown to our receivers and we
damn their praying that they catch it.

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We did, and they're praying that
they can, that they can get a

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little separation. So he's gonna give
us that for sure, the ability to

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be able to throw about his way
and we can almost guarantee he's gonna catch

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the ball. So that's what excites
me the most, like and give us

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assistency. Finally, at the wide
receiving and analytics played a lot a big

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part in this UM. Shout out
to brob Brinker, our assistant. Like

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Ryan carth thinks a lot of love, but Bob Brinker, who can coming

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over from Green Baye who's the assistant
GM, deserves a lot of critic He's

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an analytics guy. There's a reason
why Green Babe when got the guys that

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they will go getting it seemed like
this hodge podge of athletes and route runners

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and position players and possession catchers and
it was like, Okay, why did

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you want mer say these Lewis he's
supported right, Well, it's because he's

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a he's a He's a five point
five yard per target, right like average

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at forty years old. He had
sure hands that Yeah, that cuts.

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That cuts a drive where I run
the ball, I make it three yards

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in the cloud of us. Instead
of going second to seven, I got

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second and five instead of third and
second to four. Now I got first

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down and I can keep drives going
where DeAndre Hopkins now brings that because he's

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like I said, sixty six point
seven catch percentage of his targets, So

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sixty systems. So that's all.
That's six out of every ten passage thrown

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this way, he's catching them.
But on top of that seven point five

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yards per target that's on first and
tend you go from first and ten Derrick

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Henry run of maybe five or six
yards, right, But now teams have

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to think about now got Yonder Hoppins
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in first or ten terms in the
second and three instead of now second and

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nine, six or second and eight. We stay ahead of the change with

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the Titans had a lot of trouble
doing that ship. We couldn't depend on

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we have to depend on big players. But now you can chunk you.

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I can chunk you down to yard
down the field with a fifteen yard runs

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from Derrick Kennedy with a seven to
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five thirty yard passed to Johns Hopkins. And then on top of that,

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I got a guy in Trailing Births
that can work underneath. And I got

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Josh Wiley who's a red zone target. And I got a guy who I

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like to call the Laney Dave and
Chiggle Conko who can run those those you

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know, those Delaney Walker type of
post corner outs, those out routes and

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turn them into big plays. So
you're you're now getting a lot of guys

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that can create after the catch,
but also turn what used to be three

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and outs into sustained drives, which
helps your defense as well. Yeah,

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and that's and people forget about that
those drives do help our defense, help

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our defense get a breather. You
know, those three and outs used to

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kill us. A lot of people
don't don't think about how bad three and

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outs kill your defense. It's like, man, they just got off the

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field, whether they whether they gave
up a field goal or touchdown or make

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the other team. You don't turnover
on downs, man, bro that those

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three and outs our offense. They
not only killed the momentum, they killed

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our mentality. They killed them around
when your defense looking up like, huh,

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we gotta go back out there and
make another stop these wires. He

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was already killing us. Man,
I'm telling it. That's that's what that's

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what. That's what I mean when
I say that Hopkins don't provide that consistency

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to our offense. Man, Like
you just said, it's gonna be a

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first down here, He's gonna open
it up to where Derek Henry can run.

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It's just he make the whole offense
better. And I can't wait to

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see highest making supposing offenses off the
field, which is they can't get a

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rithm right. And so that I
think that's and that's where a lot of

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the holes that people have about the
Titans, right, A lot of the

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negative dark mark or black marks you
have on this team and this roster now

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get remedied with just one guy.
Like people always look at the offensive side

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and that all guys offensive impact is
he's a force multiplier, Like there's a

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there's only like four or five guys
in the league that are forced multipliers at

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the wide receiver position. Justin Jefferson
is one, right, Javante Adams is

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another, DeAndre Hopkins is another,
right, and then you can throw some

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other names in their devo, the
devo Samuels, of course A J.

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Brown in Philly. There's some other
guys, right, but DeAndre Hopkins is

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a forced multiplier. In other words, you put this down on your team.

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He affects more than just your passing
game, right. He affects your

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defense. He affects your team,
your locker room morale, He affects the

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affected because of the quarterback to run
the game, the defense, he does

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all of these things, and just
with his presence being there, and also

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the professionalism that he brings because he's
he's not going there. I think year

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ten, so this is this is
this is where you see players start to

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kind of go into that mentor role. And we'll talk about better though.

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Well I'll say this, man.
You know, people talk about how can

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one guy change your team? You
know that much? Or whatever? You

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know, and I always try to
think back or take people back, not

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the same way, but production wise, I think this team will probably outdo

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the A. J. Brown Corey
Davis days, because that's what I'm looking

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at right now. I'm looking at
Treylon Burke's is as good or better than

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Corey Davis and or I will think
you. I think he will be,

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especially this season. And DeAndre Hopkins
is as good or better than a J.

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Brown. So you put those two
together, and hey, hey,

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there's no argument that Chicka Conquo is
better than John U. Smith. So

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yeah, yea yea already out produced
him in his first rookie season. And

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here's the thing, right, if
you look at ceilings, people said,

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well, John Swift is Delaney Walker
right in a bigger body. Okay,

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that's great, And and and for
his time when he was healthy, I'd

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give him that. He was a
guy you can line up in. I

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mean they line him in. They
line him in up at half back.

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You don't see that with tight ends
off the right. We're not asking Chick

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that Chig is more of the lad
to Laney Walker clone right, six foot

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one, six foot two two forty
two forty five four four four four four

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five four five guys. And and
here's the quazy thing. As a rookie,

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he was ranking the top ten for
tight ends and yards per target catch

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rating, like all of these things
that you look at. He was if

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he hadn't played, if he had
played the entire season as the starter,

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we're looking at that guy who was
a top ten, arguably top you know,

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top five tight end in the league. And that's that's putting him in

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the air of guys like Rob ron
Kowski who was playing Travis Kelsey, who

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was playing George Kittle. That's putting
him in that air Mark Andrews and those

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guys. So when you start to
look at that, you say, Okay,

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we got a potential top five tightening. We have a legitimate number one,

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top ten receiver, and we have
a young number two who can develop

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into a number one with the best
running back in the NFL and a Google

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threat running back behind them, you
know who potential wise can bring another element

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to this team. And a wide
receiving number two who you have to respect.

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I mean, I'm sorry, a
tight end number two that you have

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to respect. And Josh Wiley is
this is because a simple factor of his

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height and athleticism. This turns this
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yeah, and another aspect I want
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know we were talking about on the
last show of the difference between the two

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gms, you know, and how
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an old fan, we were just
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crappy old Floyd Reese. You know, we were just excited to have something

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different. And he was making moves. I mean, he did the David

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Stewart move, got Riddor Old Green
Beckham, which was an amaz or Dennis

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Kelly. I'm sorry, but that
was an amazing trade he did get David

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Stewart. He also, I mean, he made a lot of move He

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made a lot of bad moves,
made a lot of bad pet draft picks.

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He made some decent draft picks.
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so like when you know, this
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fired him, and then so when
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I was just all skeptical and didn't
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don't really know that much about him, if I'm being honest, you know,

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I'm not that deep of a football
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like that. But I was impressed
with his demeanor and the way he handled

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himself, you know, and I
was like, all right, well let's

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see what the guy's got in the
draft, you know. And then I

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wasn't impressed at first, but then
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more like as if I was a
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at are these R A S scores
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was like, wow, you know, okay, maybe maybe I'm I'm kind

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of starting to see the guy's vision, you know. And then you know,

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you also look at the offseason acquisitions
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like right now, literally when he
signed DeAndre Hopkins for me, in

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my mind, I literally saw Ran
Carthon like walking away in slow motion,

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you know, like when a building
explodes and you hear that really awesome music

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and he's just like strutting, dude, like yup as this offseason y'all,

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And I mean, he happens.
How can you do that with his little

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money that we had, his little
wiggle room that we had, and he

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has produced us a contending team he
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the GM, you don't and I
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the job was because one of the
things that he said in his interview process

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was I don't feel like the Titans
have to completely restart to rebuild. I

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don't think you guys have to rebuild
this team just needs to have some infusion

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of talent. We need to kind
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old you know, the old dead
skin, dead weight, right, trim

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some of the facts and give this
team back and get you to the twenty

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first century. What did he do? Hey, little one, Hey,

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we love you, I love Before
the Boys podcast, you know, Busting

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with the Boys. A Titans legend
is number seventy seven. I wouldn't be

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surprised if it's hanging up in the
rapper something. But you gotta go three

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years, two out of three years
a CEO injury. Hey, your time

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is done. As you can see, no other teams pay too much money.

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Sorry, and and so you know. And then he looked at the

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other cuts, right, but a
budget free, right, guy, David

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Long, see you later. Right, you look at the what he did.

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He trimmled the fat, He allowed
um, he allowed Mike Rabel to

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shout out and that's my guy,
Mike Patton shout out to him. Uh

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uh so he allowed Mike Rabel to
put his fingerprints on his team. But

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he also put his fingerprints on his
team. And if you look at how

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they've they've configured it now it's it's
very much. So let's build through the

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draft and then get the bigger pieces
on the back end. Right, it's

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not always about the big names.
You see teams. We've seen teams in

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the past. The Cleveland Browns are
prime exemp. Right, big names will

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spend one hundred fifty million dollars and
throw bags of guys, right, and

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it's no vision, there's no it's
a team. It's a Madden roster.

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Right. You put a bunch of
ninety nine overall, ninety overalls, eighty

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nine overalls, speed guys in the
field. You say, let's go to

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the football games. It doesn't work
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vision. And so with Ran Carthon
is doing now you see, he saw

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the vision. And a lot of
people felt like all Tennessee failed in the

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draft because there were wide receivers there
in the third round they could have taken,

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but they took the tight end.
There were there were wide receivers there

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in the fifth round they could have
and they take the offensive line where they

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think right will he said it,
him and Mike rab both said that,

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hey, we have a plan.
We're going to see what the free agent

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market looks like where there's no were
the free agent guys. I felt I

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felt like awesome Ford going to the
Cardinals gave us the upper hand. I

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felt like, I feel like they
knew. Yeah, Yander Hopins just want

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to be at in Arizona and so, Yeah, and he's gonna ball out.

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I agree. I agree with your
Patton. Hes gonna ball out this

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year. He gonna be all on
the ball. People don't understand that he's

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gonna be a fan favorite. Some
I'm telling me the fans donna attractive,

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don't flock to him. Oh,
he's the tightens guy. Like last show,

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Aziz looks like a guy who sho
who's been here with the Titans his

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entire career. He just yeah,
he just fits in. So it's when

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he when you seen number two in
the field, you're it's gonna be like

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and where did this guy come from? Right, He's just gonna fit in.

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He's a tight right, He's not. He's at a forty nine in

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turn Titan. He's had a former, looks like a tight and talks like

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a Titan. He loves this place. So, and that's what Mike Rabel's

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big thing is. Mantress been definitely
at training camp Manatory meeting camps. His

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thing was, we want guys that
want to be here. Well it looks

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like de Andrew Hopkins wanted to be
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a lot. Yeah, Yeah,
you know that's been that's been very plemont

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right there too. Yeah, And
a lot of people like to uh,

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A lot of people have been comparing
the latest wide receiver we you know,

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picked up on free agency, and
I'll actually like to use this comparison.

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I actually love it when they bring
this up because Julio Jones signing, if

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you look at it, just again
goes to show you the difference in between

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our gms now and then. But
if the Julio Jones signing crippled us,

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and it was a real high risk
deal, I mean it was a high

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reward but also very high risk.
I mean we gave up draft picks four

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void years in this contract. I
mean it was insane, all right.

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And now this time we're not only
are we saying, all right, here's

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a base salary and here's an incentive
of deal, which you know, I

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think concentative driven contracts are the best
kind, especially when you're talking about a

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veteran um. And then not only
that, the money. I mean,

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we don't really know the specifics yet, but the money that we're getting him

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for, and there's no draft capital. So when you look at the comparison

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of the two, it's with DeAndre
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player in my eyes where he's at
right now in his career compared to the

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Julio Jones when we got him.
But if you look at the two deals

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alone, we're getting Hopkins for a
much low risk, cheaper contract. It's

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better structured, no draft capital,
so it is way different than when we

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got Julio Jones. Automatic. Yeah, and I think I think it's exactly

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what you're saying is what got John
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moves he made, he didn't look
he didn't he didn't he didn't think about

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the future enough. Like when he
made that Julio' deal, it was kind

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of like all or nothing, Like
we went we gave all for that one

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season. We you know, we
gave a lot of for that one season,

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and we knew the next couple of
seasons was gonna be rough. He

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knew that we was gonna have hell
with that salary, with that uh,

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with the salary captain next two seasons. So it was I felt like John

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Robson was just like, fucking,
let's get him, Let's give him the

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draft pick. We're gonna go all
in. This is gonna be our super

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Bowl year. And that's why his
ass was crying when we lost that Bengals

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game at that at that and that
all season on that video. That's why

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he was crying because he knew,
you know, if he didn't capitalize with

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that Julie O trade, we was
gonna be in trouble. And you know,

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that's why he had to, uh, you know, end up shipping

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a j off. And I mean
we he really got us, and he

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really dug us a whole, and
I'm liking how rand is trying to build

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get us up out that whole.
So far. I'm liking everything ran undone

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man, as far as the free
agency signed, the way he's fixing the

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offensive line, you know, keeping
Tannehill not listening to all these folks and

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they say, hey, what we're
gonna do at the quarterback. We're gonna

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trade them. Like I'm liking,
you know, everything he does. He's

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gonna keep tanning. We're gonna rock
out. We're gonna We're gonna fix our

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offensive line. He brought these key
pieces in on defense, Art and key

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as Zill Shyer. Um uh,
everybody he didn't brought on defense I had.

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liking the Huli I mean, not

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Hulio, the Hopkins hop getting Hopkins
and you know, like I said,

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even in the draft, he didn't
panic. He didn't spend our first round,

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our second round on the wide receive
them because everybody know that's what we

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needed. So I'm loving everything he
did. Man shout out to Rain.

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I ain't been this excited about a
season probably since the year week, since

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the year we got Julio. But
now it just feels like it makes most

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sense this year. Can I'm ringa
other side to the I get to the

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Julio deal too. The Julio deal
was done out of, like you said,

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panic, because you would you paid
who you end up painting Hull your

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jones. You could have kept Corey
Davis, like people feel to realize how

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productive Corey Davis was and the Texans
uniform not almost. I think he had

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almost a thousand yards that year.
He missed the game. I think it

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was his healthy seasons of his career. I think he had missed like one

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or two games that kept him from
being a thousand yard receiver. Yeah,

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he's like nine six years Yeah,
yeah, Yo. A J. Brown

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was was of course a thousand yard
receiver, multiple touchdowns. Right. Only

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thing you needed was a tight end, which was the one of the holes

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we had, and a slot receiver
that could get open and kind of get

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some book. Right. It seemed
like he really got go ahead ahead.

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I'm saying. We were talking about
Corey Davis. I'm gonna tell you one

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other thing, Miss Corey Davidson,
and he dropped the ball on run blocking.

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It was a lot of times Derek
Kenry used to break them long runs

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and Corey Davis to be the lead, the lead blocker out there. I

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was like, yeah, and Julio
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that was kind of a downfall we
took to but go ahead. But yeah,

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I was just gonna say so when
you look at that, coupled with

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the fact that you got rid of
our top two receivers and back the back

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of years, yep, and and
then you drafted those guys and then the

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guy that you traded a second one
I think a second and like a third

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the next year or fourth the next
year, for it is no longer on

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the roster after a season. Yeah, like, yeah, you're gonna lose

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your job. You're gonna lose your
job. You John Robinson for lack of

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best, for lack of both turns. Yeah, Carthon turned it around.

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But like like like Mike said,
making magic happen little the low cap space.

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You know, only what four or
five picks in the draft this year,

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and the picks though they look like, oh man, he didn't get

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any glue chip guys. You know, depending on what you look like,

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what you how you look at or
how you grade at will let this right.

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I had people Scarronski as one of
my top chapples, so he is

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a blue chip guy. But they're
moving in the guard. It depends on

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how you look at these guys.
But it's like, oh, it's it's

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one of those drafts where we're gonna
look back on this on NFL networking,

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like on NFL films one days and
they're gonna list these guys and say this

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is a great draft for twenty twenty
three. Twenty four draft was a great

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draft of Titans because you got Taje
Spirits, who's a starter. You got

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Scarnsky, who's an all Pro guard. You got this guy who's a you

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know, you got Josh Wider,
who's all pro or a tight end or

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a pro bo tight end, and
one of the best tight end two is

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in the league. Like, you're
gonna have this contingency, whether this draft

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yields starters or guilds death guys.
You build foundations and you win super Bowls

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with those kinds of movies. You
don't have the draft. You don't have

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to draft a five star prospect every
time you build the guy. You build

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through the draft, and you build
these depth, those depth look at the

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equals, look at the chiefs,
right, death guys that become starters,

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guys who are fifth round draft picks
and now playing meaningful minutes and meaningful downs.

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Uh, you know in championship games
and the winning super Bowl. That's

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how you those super Bowls. And
I kind of feel like at the end

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of John Robinson's tenure, it kind
of a part of me seems like him

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and Brayble was kind of bumping heads. And that's why I kind of think

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that when Red Carthon got high he
you know, he really expressed he know

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he's gonna help. He's gonna team
up with John Robinson. It's gonna be

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a you know, a collaboration.
And I feelt like with this draft,

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these are also Rabels guys too.
These are guys that these two put their

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heads together, drafted these guys,
and I think that they love and what

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they've got. I feel like before
it was too much John Robinson and you

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know, I guess Rabel just going
along with it because I mean, all

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of them made since ahead of time. You know, nobody knew Caleb Farley

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was gonna be a complete bus.
Nobody knew that Isaiah Wilson was gonna be

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up complete bus. Like I mean, so it looked good man, so

409
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:38.079
it left the worst man. So
it looked good to Jay rob and Rabel

410
00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:42.359
then. But now I feel like
they really got it together. I feel

411
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:48.160
like they really got together and was
like Rabel telling Ran this is what I

412
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:52.559
need to be successful. I need
somebody who's gonna protect my quarterback. Draft

413
00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:55.480
them first round. I don't care
where you're getting from. I need somebody

414
00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:59.880
to protect Sotana Hill won't be on
his ass every play. I need I

415
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.599
need a running back who's gonna catch
the ball, can catch the ball out

416
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:06.720
of the backfield. Give Derek Henry
a break, not fumble the ball.

417
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:08.720
I need, I mean, I
just I mean I need a tight end

418
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:11.559
and I do need to wind out. I don't care where you get the

419
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:18.160
man. Let's just you know,
look at analytics. He's big on analytics.

420
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:21.440
Let's look at see who caught the
most first down passes, who were

421
00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:23.920
in the Bess routes. And I
felt like they got together and they had

422
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:26.000
a hell of a draft together,
and I'm ready to see, like,

423
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:30.519
how, like you just said on
down the line, how these guys gonna

424
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:34.400
play out. You know, it's
John Robinson so bad. It's like for

425
00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:41.440
for for Kayla Farley to not be
playing, it's like killing us because that's

426
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:51.680
the first down draft pick, brons
any other thing on any go ahead.

427
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:59.599
No, I was just gonna say
like this probably, but uh, the

428
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:04.519
tight I'm gonna draft by And I
love doing the d draft analytics and draft

429
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:09.680
coverage where the Titans went back to
look at these East West. Start paying

430
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:15.200
attention to the Senior Bowl in the
East West Shrine game. Start paying attention

431
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:19.519
to that Ran Carthon spent a lot
of time to the Senior Bowl, which

432
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:24.720
is where he found our guy,
right, Tyja Spears. So you're going

433
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:29.839
to see a lot more these guys
coming from that Senior Bowl, which is

434
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:34.559
where the Titans found a lot of
impact players in the past. We found

435
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:37.839
a lot of impact players at at
the East West Game. We found a

436
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:42.279
lot of right, we found a
lot of impact players at the Senior Bowl.

437
00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:45.480
So, and it's a chance for
these smaller school guys to get some

438
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:52.640
exposure against the Ohio state competition,
against the Alabama competition, against the Power

439
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:58.839
five competition. And Tyche Spears was
working in slot at slot receiver a lot

440
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:01.839
doing that that time. You those
practices, if you go back and look

441
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:06.880
at that tape on YouTube type of
in Tache Spears sing your Bowl practice,

442
00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:09.160
he was cooking any and everything out
there. I'm talking about some guys that

443
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:14.160
with second round, third round picks
that are going to be playing meaningful downs

444
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:17.599
at cornerback, and he was cooking
them as a running back. So this

445
00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:23.480
is this is where rand Carthon and
Bob Brinker are are now going to It's

446
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:28.839
the analytical side of the draft.
It's the it's it's the NBA. When

447
00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:31.160
you see teams in the NBA,
and I this is not NBA podcast,

448
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:35.920
but it kind of correlates. You
see teams in the NBA. You see

449
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:39.680
a guy from like a small shooter, right, Florida, Florida Atlantic Coast

450
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:44.359
University, right, and you're like, who is this guy? You look

451
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:46.240
at the analytics, You look at
the analytics, and it's like, he's

452
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:52.559
an eighty six percent shooter on catching
shoot opportunities, he's a plus rebounder,

453
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:54.680
he's all these things. He's a
he's a you know, when he's defending

454
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:59.200
U, he's a three. But
when he's defending the four, he's one

455
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:01.200
of the best, you know,
rated the fingers in the game. That's

456
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:05.079
how the NFL is now looking at
guys at running back. This is how

457
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:07.440
they're looking at receivers, this is
how they're looking at tight ends. And

458
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:14.360
so with that analytical side of it, the Titans can start to mold a

459
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:17.039
more athletic team, which Rabel said
at the end of the year. I

460
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:21.000
want to get fast. I want
to feel one of the fastest teams in

461
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:23.559
the NFL, and they're taking steps
to do that. He wants to be

462
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:28.000
physical where they got fat they got
physical because these outshore year is one of

463
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:30.559
the most physical receiver of lone packers
in the game. If you look at

464
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:36.079
this run grades, if you look
at this pass coverage grades, he gets

465
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:37.800
a lot of deflections and a lot
of those inflictions are just him separating the

466
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:42.119
man from the ball. So when
you look at that, this is the

467
00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:45.159
type of Sean Murphy. Bunty's one
of the best press man corners in the

468
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:49.599
league last year if you look at
the analytics. So when you look at

469
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:54.360
that, just the vision that you're
starting to see with rabel And and Carthon

470
00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:59.960
and Brinker, because I want us
to start really start to give our assistance

471
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:04.679
gims and praise because Bob Brinker is
a hell of a football blinding himself.

472
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:07.679
It's not just raining in that front
office. It's not just much right when

473
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:10.280
I love those guys, but I
love the fact that they added Bob Brinker

474
00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:15.960
and also the fact that they're bringing
in the analytics departments. Something that the

475
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:22.440
Titans I can't remember her name,
but all of it. The assistant um

476
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:27.079
Analytics to be our head of our
analytics department from the LA Rams. So

477
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:29.880
she's a I mean, she's a
survived. When it comes to this,

478
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:34.039
it's nothing but going reviews and what
she did in LA. So the fact

479
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:37.880
that, like I said, they're
putting so much into that analytic side of

480
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:39.719
it, you're gonna see some guys
that you're gonna be like, why did

481
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:44.480
you drag him in the second round
or why did he get him? And

482
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:50.000
see why when he gets into the
system, you you definitely definitely owned some

483
00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:54.280
court and like that could be big
bro, Like I never really thought about

484
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:58.599
you know, I've been hearing the
analytics thing and that's having But now that

485
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:00.039
you broke it down, you know, let us know, you know,

486
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:04.840
they it's a team now and like
they're really gonna be looking into that stuff.

487
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:10.360
Now that's big bro. And that
could be man Carthon's job. And

488
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:15.840
and if you go look at this
track, people didn't know that in LA

489
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:20.079
and the forty nine ers. He's
the reason why they drafted Cooper Cup.

490
00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:22.880
He's the reason why they drafted Aaron
Donald. Those guys that were playing in

491
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:27.800
like these schools that you never really
let You're like, what, where's Minnesota

492
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:31.559
whatever? Where it's you know,
pick what that got from the ACC.

493
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:36.400
They're not known for defensive Lineman Donald, you know so, and then you

494
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:42.559
get Aaron Donald was probably one of
the greatest we've seen. So the thing

495
00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:49.800
that John Robinson was doing was basing
it off them. The look old old

496
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:54.599
school. It was old school scout
Bill Belichick style. Hey, um,

497
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:58.639
you know four to four and he
was a four to four. We put

498
00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:00.760
him here right. If you look
at it, you look at the difference.

499
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:06.920
When I started doing draft coverage,
I did the same thing, right,

500
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:08.719
old school. Get a white board, put some names up there,

501
00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:13.320
right, forty times down right,
then fress times down. You have a

502
00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:17.679
you have a you have an equation
that you use for each position right with

503
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:22.159
with tackles, you want long arms. You want their ten yards split to

504
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:27.239
be you know sub sub two right, sub three? Uh, you want

505
00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:30.559
them to run well in and the
shuttle quick feed right. Linebackers want to

506
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:35.880
be in the sifty traffic? Uh
what how did they test? How?

507
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:38.360
How? How? How loses?
Hips? Cornerbacks? You want long,

508
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:42.920
you know, lanky, strong?
How good is the hips can be?

509
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:46.079
Flipping coverage? All these things right, And that's fine. It's the original

510
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:50.639
why the combine is still around.
But there's also a reason why you have

511
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:55.760
Amazon attaching sensors to players. There's
a reason why under armors attaching the sense

512
00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:00.000
or there's the sensors that are built
into what is his heart rate, how

513
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:04.679
much forces he generating off of his
first step, how much sporces he generated

514
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:07.440
when he's punching in the bag.
Right, there's a reason why those analytics

515
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:12.800
departments are now be and those that
equipment. When you see these guys who

516
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:16.840
are distracked up with all kinds of
gadgets and gizmos, it's a reason why

517
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:22.039
pro football focus is such a big
thing now. That's a reason why RAS

518
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:25.639
scores, like like Max is talking
about, it's a reason why RAS scores

519
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:30.320
are such a big thing right now. Because when you look at a receiver,

520
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:32.519
you say, okay, let's say
let's take, for example, two

521
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:37.559
guys, right, i'mna take two
teammates they're coming into this next year's draft.

522
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:45.639
Margaret Harrison junior Andy Buka from Ohio
State, hypothetically speaking right old school

523
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:51.599
draft says, take Margaret Harrison,
junie old school. That's simple, six

524
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:57.199
foot three, two hundred and ten
pounds, runs for three jumps, forty

525
00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:00.000
broad jumps, explosive athlete, right
old school, say take him, But

526
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:04.599
if he boogle goes out there and
I think six foot six foot one and

527
00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:07.320
I think one hundred and nine hundred
and ninety five pounds to give the take,

528
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:13.920
right, he WUS four three and
his ten yards split is a sub

529
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:19.639
one right, and off his first
step he's generating I don't know, let's

530
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:22.840
just give him some random number,
twelve hundred pounds and furst office first step.

531
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:28.119
This now looks into Okay, now, this guy's gonna beat this guy

532
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:31.559
deep. Even though Marvin Harrison Junior
is the rare athlete, he's the more

533
00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:39.920
explosive athlete. Right. This guy's
first step is quick, his reaction time

534
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:45.360
is quick. He explodes in and
out right. That analytic side now says,

535
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:51.159
this guy goes from being a third
round receiver to a late first round

536
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:54.440
receiver. And so now when you
see like a guy who's maybe a reach

537
00:39:55.239 --> 00:40:00.400
and he comes into the league,
and I can say this, the letters

538
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:05.079
played a part in Odell Betham being
drafted so high because if you look at

539
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:07.000
what he did, he was a
return guy at LSU. He had one

540
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:10.599
great season at LU and he ended
up being the first round receiver. And

541
00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:14.599
you saw a play out on the
field because he was so quick. He

542
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:19.920
was so fast you could take a
ten yard slant route seventy yards to the

543
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:23.960
house and it made for a wide
receiver one and one of the more explosive

544
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:29.119
receivers we've seen. So, like
I said, we can talk analytics all

545
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:34.360
day long. It's a long,
very interesting Yes, it's a very interesting

546
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:37.039
topic. But Max was talking about
it, and I love that Max mentions

547
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:40.800
it already. Scores are once.
You played a huge part in what the

548
00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:47.840
Titans do from now until Rancarthin calls
a quiz. YEA, all right,

549
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:52.599
man, I'm cool. So I
was gonna do it at the beginning of

550
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:59.440
the show, but I'm sorry,
no, you're good. Wiser had just

551
00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:05.039
told men that I should wait until
later in this show, but I have

552
00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:07.679
to do it. I apologize to
everybody who has to sit through this,

553
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:21.239
but I was right, so are
you. Max. We called this ever

554
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:24.960
since the day that they released the
news that we were still in contact with

555
00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:30.719
him at Knew York heard New England. I started tweeting immediately and well on

556
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:36.400
every social media Facebook, TikTok,
everything. I was like, put it

557
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:39.440
on your calendars. I guarantee all
my Titans guys that follow me. They

558
00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:44.039
are tired of hearing it how many
times I've said it, because they'll bring

559
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:45.960
up DeAndre and I'm like, you
already know what. I think he's gonna

560
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:50.880
sign. It's just you know,
we're waiting, and it's funny as it

561
00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:53.719
is. This Monday, I said, I think he's gonna sign this week,

562
00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:59.280
and I was getting really depressed because
I thought sure he was gonna sign

563
00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:05.519
Friday, or say Saturday, and
Sunday. The news broke and I was

564
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:09.039
right, sorry, patting myself.
I want to go. I want to.

565
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:13.760
I want to. That's my boy, Max. I gotta give him

566
00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:21.039
his flowers. I next somebody,
somebody to pack themselves on back toward.

567
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:25.760
Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna do
it. I no, I told Max

568
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:30.400
no. Being humble. Bro,
you called this ship. You've been calling

569
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:34.079
it from day one. You did
that. Carling, you also been called

570
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:36.599
you called it. And I want
to give a shout out while we're on

571
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:39.599
live. Shout out to Bam because
Bam met him when he was down here.

572
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:43.760
He talked to him, talked to
him. He said he had a

573
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:47.079
good feeling too, So shout out
to be wise. He called it shut

574
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:51.280
out, accord to insiders, man. So this is crazy, right,

575
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:57.679
and it's crazy the people that should
be you know, being amber. Yeah.

576
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:02.599
When he left the the guy who
I talked to for instid of Knowledge,

577
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:07.639
he was like, the feeling around
the facility from Tim Kelly to Mike

578
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:14.760
Rabel to the training staff was he's
gonna sign. That's just a matter of

579
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:17.719
time. He's gonna sign. And
he said he likened it to win Jadavin

580
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:22.360
Clowney right when he said, Bruce
Bowen and those guys were like, yeah,

581
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:25.400
Jadavien is gonna sign, Like we're
not worried about them. We're not

582
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:30.880
worried about anybody else. He's gonna
sign. When you have that kind of

583
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:36.559
feeling as an organization, if you
noticed, the Titans didn't flinch, but

584
00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:39.760
the tight Ins didn't. Like we
didn't you weren't here in the Tennessee,

585
00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:45.360
like well, we're gonna bring in
Jarvis Landry and we're gonna bring in all

586
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:49.000
these other guys and we're gonna look
elsewhere. No, they if you notice,

587
00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:52.920
they were dead sick. DeAndre is
the guy and we're just waiting on

588
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:59.719
Beyandre. Hey go. It's almost
like Nick Saban in a top five recruit,

589
00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:05.519
right, Hey go, visit Oregon, Lsu, Hey, hey,

590
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:09.639
go go visit. I don't care, go visit you know whoever else you

591
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:14.719
want to write, Florida, whoever
else. We know he signed right like

592
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:16.760
you just you knew it. So
that's and that's why I felt like,

593
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:21.719
that's why I said, I want
I just want to give a shout out

594
00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:27.119
to rand because I feel like Jay
rob after he didn't sign that first time

595
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:31.440
he visited, Jay Robert went out
there and signed Jarvis Landry overpaid him and

596
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:35.599
we would act like, you know
howcas never, you know how never came.

597
00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:38.360
But go ahead. But I'll say
this too, ran Car and I'm

598
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:42.639
gonna keep giving Ran Cardon as must
praises he as he deserves, since he

599
00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:49.199
does deserve it. For forty nine
ers fans. Forty nine ers fans should

600
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:54.719
thank him for Deebo Samuel Beings of
forty nine because he's the guy that flew

601
00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:59.920
down to Miami and had a conversation
when that guy was asking to be tru

602
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:01.960
He did and was out the door. He was essentially all but gone.

603
00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:06.480
In San Francisco, Ryan said,
no, I want to go talk to

604
00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:08.599
him, and this is a confirmed
story. He said, I want to

605
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:14.159
go talk to that guy. He
went to talk to Deebo and they got

606
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:17.440
a deal done. This is the
kind of guy that you have now leading

607
00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:22.440
your franchise. Hey, I was
a player. I've been in analytics,

608
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:25.960
I've been in draft, I've been
an NFL person. Now I know these

609
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:30.559
guys. I've been in their shoes. Let me talk to them because if

610
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:32.880
I can, I can get them. Nine times out of ten, I

611
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:37.280
looked like him. I've been where
he was. I know what it's like

612
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:40.719
in the NFL locker room, and
I also know the corporate side of it.

613
00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:45.519
You know, I'm just so it's
it's one of those things like if

614
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:49.519
I was a receiver and there's a
guy like ryand Carthon sitting across from me.

615
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:53.440
He talks to my language. He
you know, he can tell me.

616
00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:59.119
He can he's a good sale.
But it's also from a genuine place

617
00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:02.880
right when you see him. He's
a genuine guy. It's not pomp and

618
00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:07.440
circumstance. It's not this. You
know, he's not gonna throw all the

619
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:10.800
lights and blaming the big words that
he's not John Robinson. John Robinson never

620
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:17.679
played it down. John Robinson barely
played in college, right he's not a

621
00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:22.440
he's not a nerd posing as a
you know, as an NFL guy.

622
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:28.079
And it's not to down any of
the guys that never played in the NFL.

623
00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:32.400
But it's different when you talk athlete
who's now in the front office.

624
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:37.400
Man, It's different when you talk
to a coach who played and won Super

625
00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:42.239
Bowls. It's different when you have
guys who have been on winning franchises,

626
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:47.000
right Uh, Sean Murphy Bunting and
and and Alex's aush year both been on

627
00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:52.079
winning franchises and now coming and bringing
that. It takes a mixture. It's

628
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:57.079
more than just the big names and
the All pros and the superstars that make

629
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:00.280
a super Bowl team. It's those
little nuances that you gotta kind of fit

630
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:07.320
together in a quick way, all
right, man, uh real quick?

631
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:10.159
I do. I do kind of
have to or I don't have to,

632
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:15.119
but I try to keep with the
show under an hour now as the word

633
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:19.480
past um. So I'm sorry,
guys, no, no, no,

634
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:22.559
no, I love it, man, I honestly I love you. I

635
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:25.599
hope we can get a segment set
up or something like that because I love

636
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:29.760
having you around. To be honest
with you, You're my favorite, so

637
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:36.760
I didn't say that. Um.
Anyway, the big question everybody has or

638
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:39.559
everybody keeps popping at me, is
Kenny still do it? You know?

639
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:45.119
Is Hopkins? You know wash that, which I have a tweet from Hopkins,

640
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:49.639
um, which I'm sure if you're
a Titans fan you've already seen,

641
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:53.880
but you know, I'm gonna put
it up anyway, and uh, you

642
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:58.880
know, yeah, I love it. I absolutely love it because that to

643
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:01.519
me, I don't know if you
guys, I mean yeah, I'm sure

644
00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:07.159
you guys remember, especially you Cortland, because you're on Twitter. But A

645
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:12.119
J. Brown could not help himself
for some reason. Like he was on

646
00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:15.599
Twitter all the time. Man,
he was tweeting out stuff all the time,

647
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:17.360
to his haters, to his letters. I mean, he was just

648
00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:23.719
a cool dude on Twitter. I
still follow him. But anyway, DeAndre,

649
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:30.880
I mean immediately was tweeting an Instagram
and about it. I mean immediately,

650
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:34.000
you know what I mean. Immediately, you know, was calling people

651
00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:36.639
out. You know that we're saying
that he was washed up, and he's

652
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:37.760
like, oh, y'all were just
asking for me, you know, and

653
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:42.599
then had to delete some stuff.
So I love it. I love it.

654
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:45.880
That's absolutely the kind of guy I
want here, Absolutely the kind of

655
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:50.480
guy one here. It just brought
back all kinds of good memories for me.

656
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:53.440
Tom Brady was a was a big
time like he did it in a

657
00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:57.199
different way, right, he did
it. He did it against the media,

658
00:48:57.360 --> 00:49:00.159
right as a media moment. You
knew, like, if your team's

659
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:04.760
playing that guy, don't don't piss
on Tom Ray right, like, but

660
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:07.199
don't kiss him off. And there's
guys like that in the NFL. And

661
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:12.480
I think that's the one thing that
the Titans have miss is having that dog.

662
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:15.079
Now we do have someone to roster
that, like Jeffrey Simmons is that

663
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:19.920
dog, right, uh? And
but I haven't seen many people down that

664
00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:22.159
guy. I haven't seen people say
he sucks, he's not a good player,

665
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:29.559
right, and you can't and without
Sammy crazy yeah, But with DeAndre

666
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:31.559
Hopkins, I think like, like, and we've saw we've all seen it

667
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:35.719
in the Titans. Fans of watching
this, right, we've all seen it.

668
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:39.280
All. The Titans are the white
receiver graveyard. You guys got Andrew

669
00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:45.880
Johnson, you brought in Randy Moss
and Julio And here's the thing. Yeah,

670
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:50.320
not to say that DeAndre not down
here. But but Andre Johnson's how

671
00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:52.519
the first round, first bout of
Hall of Fame because he is not to

672
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:55.159
say that Randy Moss, because he
is. He does have a goal Jackie

673
00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:59.639
right, Julio Jones, when he
calls it quits, it's going to have

674
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:06.920
a goal checking. But you put
this guy DeAndre Hodgins and that kind of

675
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:14.280
at this juncture in his career,
right, and he just now turned thirty

676
00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:17.880
one. I'm third and I go
out. I could go out in the

677
00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:23.159
ripple the field today if I needed
to, and I ain't even shape.

678
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:29.320
Yeah, this dude does nothing,
but this professionals his job, right,

679
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:32.519
DeAndre Hobs his six foot one,
two hundred and twelve pounds. I want

680
00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:37.000
to see everybody who said that he's
washed. You go ask the tight and

681
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:39.400
see you have a walk on tryout
and you point out beyond number ten he

682
00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:43.480
said, I want to cover him, and see don't you get covered and

683
00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:45.719
see how wash that man is.
Like he's just want to go out there,

684
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:52.599
iron sharping's iron. He's hearing everything. He's not Kevin Durant as far

685
00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:55.920
as like thin skin, but he's
gonna remember every hater. He's gonna remember

686
00:50:55.960 --> 00:51:01.639
every fan base. He's gonna remember
every every every you know pundit and and

687
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:07.199
they say he's gonna winber each one
of them. And every week from week

688
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:09.639
one or two, week eighteen,
he's gonna say I told you, So

689
00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:15.000
what was that you were saying?
Yeah, who's washed? That's every week.

690
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:16.360
And he's not gonna say it verbally, He's gonna say it with his

691
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:21.960
play ye on the field. Yeah. So this is like you said,

692
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:24.360
I love having this guy from the
roster outside of just the fact that it's

693
00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:30.920
Deandrew Hopkins. I love having the
guy to receive a position who's like who's

694
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:34.280
in the words oftorial Ownens. I
love being sub met. And I hope

695
00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:44.639
you brought your popum right. Top
ten receiver. Man, I got the

696
00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:47.119
h I got the Madden, I
got, I got the man, uh

697
00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:51.079
the wide respect. So I got
to pull it up. Man. They

698
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:53.880
still believe, so Maddens still believed
that, uh, DeAndre Hopkins is top

699
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:57.239
ten. I don't believe in the
top ten. They got him right now

700
00:51:57.400 --> 00:52:00.639
as the number seven receiver out of
in the league. So and that's over

701
00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:05.039
A J. Brown. So we
got an upgrade. And I think I

702
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:08.199
think, I think pro football focus
has DeAndre rinkin like number six in the

703
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:13.400
league, number five and number six
in the league. So again, he's

704
00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:15.199
a crazy thing. I know,
we talked about it earlier. You got

705
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:22.679
a top ten receiver for wide receiver
twenty three money, Like he's like the

706
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:30.440
twenty third highest paid receiver twenty third
where he's a top five US win.

707
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:35.679
We won. That's it. That's
it, man, you lost, Like,

708
00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:38.840
yeah, this is the new Tennessee
Like, and I've been trying to

709
00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:44.039
tell people this is the new Little
Tennessee Titans. Like, I know that

710
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:47.159
gets said a lot with teams that
make front office changes, but this is

711
00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:52.960
where the Titans are now in that
we have a GM that can now compete

712
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:57.320
with other gms. It's not just
about what you do on the field.

713
00:52:57.320 --> 00:53:00.719
It's about what you do in those
front office talks. It's about what you

714
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:05.119
do at those league meetings. It's
about how you come across at the combine.

715
00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:09.679
For a lot of people that don't
know Julio Jones trade was talked about

716
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:17.679
and shaken one at the combine.
Rand is now going to be that guy

717
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:24.039
who's representing two tone Blue at the
combines, at these league meetings, at

718
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:28.880
these drafts. He's gonna be that
guy. You're going to see a lot

719
00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:31.239
of players that are going to start
saying, I want to go to Nashville.

720
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:39.320
DeAndre Hobbins chose Nashville over Kansas City, New England, Buffalo. He

721
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:46.719
chose us over those places, and
that new stadium on the way too years.

722
00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:52.159
In two years, you have a
new stadium and DeAndre Hopps could possibly

723
00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:55.440
be playing one of his maybe second
to third, like his third to his

724
00:53:55.559 --> 00:54:01.280
last season in the new in the
new stadium, saying that I was just

725
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:05.599
gonna say that, That's exactly what
I was trying to say earlier about why

726
00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:07.639
I was excited about this, you
know, this new GM higher. I

727
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:12.039
was scared at first because I didn't
really know that much about Ran if I'm

728
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:15.480
being honest. But the more I
got to know, the more I liked.

729
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:17.639
Every time I found something else out
and I was just like yeah,

730
00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:22.039
all right, yeah, okay,
yeah, yeah, keep coming, yeah

731
00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:24.400
yeah yeah yeah. And then once
I started seeing his plan come together,

732
00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:27.679
I was like, oh, okay, all right, yeah, I can

733
00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:32.000
roll this. I can do this. And then now that we've got DeAndre

734
00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:37.239
for what we got him for,
I mean, he's like like I said,

735
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:40.920
dude, walk away from an explosion. You You've done it A plus

736
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:46.280
offseason could not be happier with our
GM right now. I'm really excited to

737
00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:51.679
see what happens next year when he
can really throw some bags around, you

738
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:58.280
know. And I don't know,
I'm just money more problems and that is

739
00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:02.480
say that is a football thing because
when you got that kind of money,

740
00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:08.079
it's easy to go out and be
like new shiny toys. Right. So

741
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:13.760
I hope that I do. I
them never probably say this on every show.

742
00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:16.079
Man. I just hope the injury
bug is gone. Man, Like

743
00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:22.280
we've dealt with this thing for two
three years. But Man, because it's

744
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:24.559
gone, I can say that it's
gone. Um, I would say this.

745
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:28.400
I don't know if you guys saw
it. Max, you probably saw

746
00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:34.559
it. I think he posted it
actually, Um, Christian Fulton, I

747
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:38.360
mean looks totally different. And I'll
say this as an athlete. When I

748
00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:43.639
was in college, when I was
in high school, I ate like crap,

749
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:50.159
right, I was in the Otio
secret diet burger king right offee some

750
00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:53.000
of the change. Yeah, you
know, wasn't eating the best, right.

751
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:55.920
Um. I had a lot of
streams. I had a lot of

752
00:55:57.480 --> 00:56:01.199
no tears, no ligament tears or
you know, rigid injuries like bone breaks

753
00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:07.000
or anything like that. But a
lot of strains, a lot of fullard

754
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:09.599
hands, a lot of pool quads, a lot of backs, you know,

755
00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:14.880
backspatters. These is that nature when
you get your When I got to

756
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:21.159
college, it was different. You
know. They put they pumped you full

757
00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:24.320
of water, they pumped you for
electrolytes, they change your diet. I

758
00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:30.920
put them on. I went from
one sixty two. I went from one

759
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:36.360
sixty two to two oh five.
And I helped you two oh five,

760
00:56:36.760 --> 00:56:40.079
ye back five right at five eleven. I was a trim two h five

761
00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:44.719
or five. But asked me how
I ever had another tear, another strain

762
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:50.639
anything? Never Christian. Right now, I say, you probably feel amazing.

763
00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:54.280
Oh as far as explodes you with, I got faster, I got

764
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:58.280
stronger. Right. That's why you
see these guys when they get to the

765
00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:00.400
NFL, they're like, oh,
he ran the four two. That's why

766
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:02.480
they gets so excited because now that
four two guys can turn to a fourty

767
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:08.400
one for a flat guy right like, because he's he's getting professional nutrition.

768
00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:13.280
Now. Now some of these guys, I mean still heat like crap right

769
00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:15.800
eat. Some of them are just
guys given ethics. But the fact that

770
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:21.239
Christians Fulton realized that I need to
go and get on the program. I

771
00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:24.559
need to gonna get hydrated and the
proper nutrition. What what the what?

772
00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:29.320
What fuel? Do you don't put
regular gas in the corvid? Oh?

773
00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:32.320
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, don't you know? You don't play

774
00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:37.320
right. You don't put a bumper
stick girl on a on a on a

775
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:40.840
hurricane, right like this is that's
that's what this is. That's what's going

776
00:57:40.880 --> 00:57:44.159
on. And I just wanted to
bring that up, like when you brought

777
00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:47.679
up the injury bug, it is
about guys and frever we mentioned that these

778
00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:52.320
guys to take this serious in the
offseason. He did it. Yep.

779
00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:54.159
And I'm you know, shout out
to Kyle Phillips, say he the main

780
00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:58.480
one I'm waiting to see bounce back. But he's a lot bigger too,

781
00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:05.199
He's a lot bigger. Now Now
you're great, You're great. I love

782
00:58:05.239 --> 00:58:09.280
it. I wish we can sit
here and talk all night. But so

783
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:14.559
um, go ahead and let everybody
know where they can find you out Third

784
00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:17.480
Cortland, Oh no, for um, So yes, Thursday nights. Every

785
00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:22.360
night, every Thursday night, seven
pm, eight pm Eastern. You can

786
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:24.039
find me on my show, The
Halftime Show. I'm definitely gonna have these

787
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:28.599
two fellows on. We're gonna talk
some Titans before the season of Drown the

788
00:58:28.639 --> 00:58:31.440
season. Definitely gotta have y'all on
um. Also, I am bringing up

789
00:58:31.519 --> 00:58:36.880
for all my draft heads and college
football guys. Um, I am coming.

790
00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:40.880
I'm working on right now my top
fifty big board on the three punt

791
00:58:40.920 --> 00:58:46.159
conversion. So be on the lookout
that before Week one of college football and

792
00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:50.679
week went to the NFL. If
you're looking for guys that your team could

793
00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:52.920
draft, if you're looking for those
R. A. Scoors and those guys

794
00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:58.840
look out for check out that article, all right, So definitely have checked

795
00:58:58.880 --> 00:59:01.719
that out. Tell them here to
find you. Flame. I'm Flame Douglas

796
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:07.360
on Facebook, and hey y'all,
please help me get my Twitter follows up.

797
00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:10.360
I'm on Twitter now, you boy
on Twitter? Flame Underscore six one

798
00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:14.920
five. Hey you follow me.
I won't lead you wrong. I'm gonna

799
00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:17.559
be posting a lot of ton of
type stuff there. Me and my boy

800
00:59:17.719 --> 00:59:22.400
Max Man, we're gonna be locking
in. So Flame Underscore six one five

801
00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:27.679
on Twitter. Get there please and
as always, you know you can find

802
00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:32.440
me Maximus Underscore Tighten Underscore fan pretty
much everywhere Facebook, Twitter, TikTok,

803
00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:37.800
Instagram, or you can look for
the Titans Fan Battle podcasts, which is

804
00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:44.119
on YouTube and Twitter and Instagram as
well. Um, it's been a great

805
00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:46.360
show, guys. I can't wait
to have you on again, Cortland.

806
00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:52.559
Um, but this can't absolutely not, absolutely not all right, Well,

807
00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:58.960
I love yes, yes, to
be honest, I love having you on.

808
00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:04.480
Man, your energy great and uh
yeah, y'all enjoy yourselves. Good night,