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You and up next, and the
spinning wheel of guests looking forward to this.

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J. Michael Waller, author of
Big Intel, How the CIA and

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FBI went from Cold War heroes to
Deep State villains. He is a senior

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analyst for strategy at the Center for
Security Policy, President of the Georgetown Research,

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a political risk and private intelligence company. As far as his experience went,

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well, he was a CIA operative. I mean, nobody knows the

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agency like somebody who has been there
in the middle of it. And the

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tell the Big Intel book that he
has written, it's recounting the story of

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the rise of Cold War heroics of
the FBI and the American intelligence apparatus,

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followed by its unfortunate slide into Marxist
influenced deep state dysfunction and Big Intel became

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Bad Intel. Michael Waller, Hello, good evening, My mouth's working now.

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Hey, it's great to be with
you. Yeah. Yeah. So,

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first off, you were in Central
America during just right after the Cold

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War. How does that tell me
a little bit about your experiences as a

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CIA operatives? Oh? Right,
at the height of the Cold War.

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It was in the Bari in President
Reagan's first term, about halfway through his

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first term, and the biggest threat
to US at the time, apart from

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the Soviet strategic missile threat, was
the Communist expansion on our southern border,

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building a Soviet beachhead in Nicaragua and
then Nicaragua spreading communism by providing shelter for

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Marxist revolutionaries from the whole region.
So I went down there still starting as

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an undergraduate, to find intelligence on
exactly how the Soviets were supplying Communist terrorists

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and roam wents in the region.
All right, So this led to now,

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now Noriega came after this, correct, that was down in Panama.

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Yeah, so he emerged shortly after. I don't remember the exact time,

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but he, his predecessor, Omar
Torios was was one of our frenemies.

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You know, he would be he
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he would also constantly establish in the
back and we sort of just dealt with

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him. Noriega then succeeded him,
all right. But in uh in Nicaragua,

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who was in charge then who had
the Communists put up as their as

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their puppet so to speak. That
was a Huda led then as today by

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Daniel Ortega. Yep, I do
remember the name Uh, yeah, so

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it's still led by the same people
in Nicaragua. Well, yeah, some

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of them have died off, but
now Ortega and his wife are running it

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as a family, family dynasty,
and they're lining up their son to take

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their place once they're gone. Uh. The Russian government has an Interior Ministry

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office there for their internal affairs,
so they treat Nicaragua as part of their

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internal affairs. And they're still they're
not they're not promoting terrorism that we know

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of, but they're certainly helping facilitate
relations with Iran's proxies in the region.

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And so their trouble for us forty
years later because we sort of walked away

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thinking that peace was at hand.
Are these Central American governments, particularly the

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Triangle that you always hear about in
relation to our southern border. Are those

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communist influences, Marxist influences part of
the drive to send the worst of them

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to our country? Is that part
of the mission of the Marxists who are

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trying to overthrow America? Well that's
part of it. So imagine you're running

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a country and you've got a huge
prison system and you have a dictatorship in

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the courts. Does what you wanted
to do. What a great thing,

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but to empty your prisons of your
you know, hardcore convicts and just dump

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them in the United States. Yeah. So that's what a lot of these

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countries are doing. And not just
Venezuela and in some Central American countries and

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elsewhere, but countries even in Africa
are dumping their prisons to send to the

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prisoners to Panama to infiltrate them up
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It's amazing you say that. Once
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CIA fought America's enemies at home and
abroad. Now there are tools of a

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growing police state. And you know
that's the other danger, is the Big

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Intel becoming Big Brother and forcing American
citizens into something that doesn't even resemble a

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constitutional republic. The Marxist moves have
also been forcing these agencies into things like

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DEI diversity, equity inclusion, and
and the Pride movement and all of the

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transgender stuff that is so prevalent right
now, the latest fad to take down

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America, I believe, and that's
part of the Marxist push as well,

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because you know, you don't see
communists China harping on DEI, do you

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not at all? Nor do you
see Putin doing it either. No,

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they know it's destructive of their societies. And this is part of DEI is

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you know, a lot of people
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But we all, you know,
we're a diverse country, and we

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all want equality and we all want
to include people. And that's okay,

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but when it's combined to a single
ideology whose goal is not real democratic representation

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of people, but impose people based
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competence or merits, and then put
them in jobs where it's never enough.

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No matter how much you give the
DEI crowd, they're going to be demanding

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more and more and more and more. So first it's tolerance, then it's

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accepted, and now it's supremacy that
they want, and they're doing it to

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wreck our institutions. There was never
anything, for example, in Obama's twenty

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eleven Executive Order on Diversity, Equity
and Inclusion, there was nothing about making

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these government agencies run better by imposing
DEI. Never it was anything said about

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making the CIA work better or the
FBI work better by imposing Dei. It

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was just Dei for Dei's sake,
and it was really to the net effect

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was and that was part of the
goal of the real people imposing it,

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was to cause resentment, to so
inviting, to so demoralization among the productive

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people, and then a sense of
entitlement among the unproductive and incompetent people being

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brought in all in the name of
the cultural revolution. Do you believe that

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when you were with the CIA,
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did, they still call it the
company, was it had been infiltrated at

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all by any of this garbage.
Yet, well, this is how I

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got in because I was never a
CIA employee. I was working directly for

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CIA Director Casey and his designee in
the White House as part of a private

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network that CIA, a director Casey
was funding out of his pocket. He

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was a very wealthy man, and
during World War Two he was in the

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OSS, the Office of Strategic Services, and he knew then as now that

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you have to really improvise and to
do things out of official channels in order

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to get things done. So Casey
learned right as soon as he went into

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the CIA that the CIA could not
detect Soviet support for terrorism. Even though

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there was information, even though journalists
were on this and scholars, nobody in

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the CIA could come to a conclusion
that this was true. So he set

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up privately funded groups out of his
pocket in secret, which I was one

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of the members, to find the
facts for this, and then to bring

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back the physical evidence so that President
Reagan could use it, so that Congress

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could use it, going around the
whole CIA. So we knew at the

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time there was a liberal bias and
a weakness in analysis, and you know,

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maybe certain people were compromised because they
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that was so that was the beginning
of understanding there was a problem. And

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I was just a kid. I
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imagine forty years later watching this whole
thing and keeping contact with people inside the

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intelligence community this whole time, educating
and training them. So seeing this deterioration

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take place, it's really shocking.
So what was bad in the early nineteen

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eighties has just the bottom is falling
out of it now. J. Michael

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Waller, author of Big Intel,
How the CIA and FBI went from Cold

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War heroes to Deep State villains seven
hundred WLW were you from Atlantic in the

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news today summer? You're talking with
J. Michael Waller, author of Big

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Tell Dig Intel, how the CIA
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deep state villain and Michael, I
guess there's no more telling thing for me.

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Before all of the DEI stuff really
started to sync in to these intelligence

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agencies in our country, we had
people like John Brennan, a Communist Party

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member, as the head of the
CIA. How did that happen? Well,

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this was part of the problem,
imagine. And he's not alone.

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No, he can't be an anomaly. He was brought in as he voted

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for the Soviet agent, running openly
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States at the height of the Cold
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Republic. This was John Brennan.
And then right away, just a few

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years later, he gets a top
secret security clear it's full recruitment into the

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CIA and then borrows in like they
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the CIA to ultimately rise up and
run the agency. It's amazing to me

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that this could happen, but uh, but you know, it's it's a

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world of double agents. And spies. What what do people think they know

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about the CIA as opposed to what
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I mean, is it really Are
they really spooks? I mean,

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are they really that dangerous? Are
they that covert? Could they could they

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sell your you know, could they
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if you were an Eskimo? What
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I mean, I'm not talking about
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that's you know, been implanted into
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on that you can talk about.
Oh, well, it's it's very mixed

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that well, I'm not telling any
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have a very mixed variety of people
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you get some of the most courageous, most creative people you'll ever find

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anywhere on Earth, and we all
owe a lot to them, and so

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so they they they're in there,
they're doing their mission. They're the ones

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tracking the terrorists, targeting them,
droning them, all that other stuff that

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needs to be done. And they're
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the Red White and blue. But
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of the Ivy League. I think
of American universities in academia, where plagiarism

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is okay and genocide is relative sure, and you must adhere to a certain

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ideological cultural Marxist orthodoxy in order to
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a woman, right. So oh
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Woman is woman and man is man. But no, that's not true

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anymore because we're using surgery and hormones
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they're synthesizing truth to make to make
untruths true, and they're not doing it

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a in like a true lies kind
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To help secure America abroad, it
is to lie to each other,

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to lie to ourselves, and to
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advance to the intelligence community. So
once you're officially subscribing as the CIA and

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the FBI do to gender theory in
queer theory and the cultural Marxism that they

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never acknowledge but that is absolutely manifest
in all of this, these become the

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post truth operating systems of the FBI
and the CIA. So while you've got

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great people in there, and some
fine analysts too, but they're not a

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majority. And if you look at
how the CIA has been recruiting openly,

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look at their advertising over the past
ten years, they're only going after woke

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people. Oh, they're targeting DETI
people. They're targeting your Rainbow Flag militants.

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And it's not that we need people
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FBI and the CIA. We need
to understand the people and the organizations and

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the places that they're watching and working
with. We need FBI agents to work

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in certain communities and to persuade juries
and to prevent evidence. So that's not

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the issue. The issue is this
forcing everyone inside to conform to this new

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extremist view. And if you do
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openly advocate, you are considered the
source of a toxic work environment and you

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can't stay, you can't be promoted, and you're not welcome. Gosh,

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whatever happened to meritocracy and the best
people you know, big Intel, Well,

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that's why the business community is getting
rid of DEI. Oh yeah,

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that's going away. But let me
ask you this. J Edgar Hoover kept

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the FBI from this communist infiltration pretty
much during his reign. Give me,

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give me an example of a difference
between somebody like j Edgar Hoover and James

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Comy or Christopher Ray. Anarchists round
them up and deport them to Russia.

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That was his first job in the
Justice Fiday. It was a terrific job,

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but his whole life, nineteen twenty
until his death in nineteen seventy two,

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he had a consistent warning. This
is how communists work. They're infiltrating

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our societies. They're infiltrating our government. They're infiltrating every agency. They're infiltrating

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the courts and the legal profession,
and the colleges and the law schools,

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and the churches and the seminaries and
the teaching unions and every part of culture

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you can imagine, Hollywood journalism.
We have to be watchful of them,

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and we have to make sure that
they cannot penetrate our societies, because they

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will infiltrate us and destroy us from
within. Well, I mean, Khrushchev

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told us nineteen sixty or whatever it
was, that we will crush you from

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within. We'll take over your country
without ever firing a shot. I mean,

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that's as blatant as you can get. And that was sixty plus years

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ago, right, right, And
he was he was correct. He didn't

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need nuclear weapons as long as he
had some version. But then these things

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get a life of their own.
So where you have and I traced this

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back and big Intel I was wondering, how did it get to the point

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where Obama could just simply impose executive
orders on DEI and everyone in the system

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starts adapting it and militantly pursuing it. This is something that began one hundred

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years ago. It began at the
Marx Engels Institute in Moscow, and they

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the reasoning was, we cannot overthrow
Western societies the Bolsheviks style. We're going

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to have to do it by subverting
their cultures. Making people reject their own

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countries, making people reject the principles
of their countries, the Judeo Christian ethic,

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or the work ethic, or the
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and all these other things. Morals
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fight against each other and turn against
one another, so they believe in nothing.

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And when they believe in nothing,
then then the Marxists can just come

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right in and take over the institutions. And this through what another Communists called

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the long March, like Chairman Mao's
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through the institutions. So you infiltrate
and take over each labor union, each

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teachers organization, you know, each
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you can, one by one,
law schools and so forth, until over

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a period of decades is the tipping
point where now they end up running the

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system. Big Intel, how the
CIA and FBI went from Cold War heroes

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to deep state villains. The author
J. Michael Waller, thank you so

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much for your time, and I
pray that there are enough people who still

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love this country that we can take
it back there are Vote for the sheriffs

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this year, because the sheriffs are
our last line of defense. No,

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the FBI needs them at the state
and local levels, and the sheriffs are

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the ones who can give authority to
do that, and they can deny authority

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to do that. So work on
your sheriffs and support the good ones and

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elect other good ones. Excellent,
Thank you so much for your time.

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Mike's good to be with you all
right, it's night cap. I'm seven

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hundred WLW. And if you don't
know our next guest, well, this

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must be your first time listening to
anything ever on the radio in Cincinnati.

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Because this guy has been a staple, He has been a mainstay. He

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has been a banner carrier for Great
Radio in Cincinnati, specifically sports, but

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he branches out occasionally. He also
works at the Point Arc, which is

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a fantastic organization in northern Kentucky,
and he's also been known to frequent Strauss

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tobacconists from time to time. He
is also my friend Andy Furman the fur

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Ball, joining us once again.
Hello Andy, Now are you U should

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have put my friend first to the
That's the most important part of it.

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No, I saved the best forast. You saved the ball. Don't you

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know that? He didn't know that, didn't know that. You know,

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it's funny because I'm almost embarrassed their
long introduction. You could bag that because

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I'm here just to talk. But
the average man, the common man,

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that's who I am. And wait, wait a minute, you're gonna do

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your Bill Cunningham impression. No no, no, no, no, no

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no no, I mean the everyman
Caughte the everyman in But you know,

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I'm gonna let you open it up. Although I have a couple of things

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percolating in my mind, but I
want to see where you're gonna go in

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there. I don't like it,
I'll reel you back, you know.

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Two days, two days after almost
I'm basking in the glow of my Kansas

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City Chiefs victory over the San Francisco
forty nine ers in Las Vegas on Sunday

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night. It happened just as I
thought it would, a miraculous come from

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behind at the last moment touchdown from
my hero Patrick Mahomes to mcole Hardman,

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who didn't even know he was in
the game, and cut the game winning

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catch. But it was such a
great game. People, I hear people

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all the time just that was a
terrible game. How was that a terrible

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game? Overtime? How is that
a terrible game? Andy? Tell me

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that I haven't heard that. I
will tell you this. The first half

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was a little slow, but there's
a lot of drama coming into that second

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half. In the overtime kind of
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look, I think there's a lot
of takeaways from my game and number one,

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I think you could maybe make a
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Andy Reid. There's no doubt in
my mind. He won with Donovan McNabb

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in Philadelphia. He's running now in
Kansas City, so definitely there's a spot

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there for him. And honestly,
you're gonna got to say that maybe right

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now, your man Patrick Mahomes is
the goat now. He is the best

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quarterback in the National Football League right
now, hands down. And after I

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watched that game, I said to
myself, I scratched my head as I

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read social media, and a lot
of the Bengals are running on me.

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You know we'll be back next year. I don't know. Yeah, there's

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a lot of questions on that Bengals
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they can stay on the same field
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a lot has to do with coaching. Certainly a lot is Patrick Mahomes,

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no doubt in my mind, but
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And Andy Reid is one hell of
a coach. Andy, there is

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no question I agree with everything you
said. It'll probably be the last time

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in this entire conversation that I will
say that, but but I made I

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made the illusion last night when I
was talking with our mutual good friend wild

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Man Walker, and I don't think
it's too far off, too far off

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the nose to say this. It
reminds me a lot, two different sports,

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two different eras of Phil Jackson,
Michael Jordan, the Chicago Bulls,

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Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes and the
Kansas City Chiefs. It just feels the

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same. There's a familiar arity to
this destiny in the making and this dynasty

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in the making that reminds me of
those Bulls teams that won back to back

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to back twice, not once,
but twice. It seems like it is

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destiny that they are. They are
a dynasty. What do you think,

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Well, I think the only similarity
you're onto something. The only similarity is

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that those bull teams had mj and
a great cass of characters, and this

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Kansas City chief team has Patrick Mahomes
and a tremendous defense which basically won the

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game. And there's a takeaway from
this game that I think that we need

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to discuss, which honestly, I
don't think anybody else has. I need

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the takeaway is Travis Kelsey certainly,
you know a UC guy. A lot

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of people around town are happy for
him and his brother is family, the

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tail of swift relationship, the leading, the leading, the leading receiver in

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the game. By the way,
even after he caught one pass for one

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yard in the first half, he
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game. And therefore because the defensive
linebacker was out for basically San Francisco or

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secondary. But no because because no, no, no, not because because

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because he got Andy Reid's attention.
That's why. Okay, And I'm glad

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you brought that up. Okay,
no one mentioned this. Everybody thought it

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was a big joke. And I
saw a picture today in one of the

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tabloids saying that Travis Kelsey basically was
saying whispering and Andy Reid's here when he

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shoved him, he said how much
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Okay, here's my take on it. And maybe I'm way out in left

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field, and I'm sure if I
am, you'll reel me in. Okay.

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I saw some anger management there.
I get I get it. In

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the world of sports, this tension, this pressure, people explode. I

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see Draymond Green do it on more
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It happens in the world of sports. Is it good? Is it

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been? I don't particularly like it, and I don't think it's good.

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I don't think it's healthy. Okay. I didn't like the fact that he

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pushed his coach, and I saw
some comments on social media saying I would

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have benched the guy for the second
half. You know what, I wouldn't

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because why punish the rest of the
team for one stupid move on one guy?

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But here's the problem. I have
this anger management thing. Can he

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will we see a situation like that
with him and his quote girlfriend Taylor Swift

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one day. Maybe he pushes her, maybe he smacks her. I'm just

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saying. I'm just saying I saw
an ugly part of Travis Kelce trevisa Travis

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Jels player. It's the Hall of
Famer and he's an egomaniac on the stage.

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Everybody thought it was funny with the
singing of Peva las Vegas. Come

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on, really, real, it
is just a little one. What's wrong

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with Viva las Vegas. You just
won the ultimate prize in your sport for

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the second year in a row.
Of course, he's screaming Viva Las Vegas.

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He was playing to the crowd,
Andy that for himself. How do

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you wanted it to be bigger for
him than anybody else? And you know

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it and you won't admit it.
I have no problem with him doing it.

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I'm just stating the obvious. He
wanted it to be about him.

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It was just as much about him
as it was anybody else up on that

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stage because he was he was intrigral
to the victory. And he come on,

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really, who caught the win?
He touchdown? Did he talk?

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Did he sing? You don't even
know his name? He didn't. Cole

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Hardiman, I know his name.
It's my team, But Cole Hardiman,

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I know his name. I know, I know I brought out there,

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given given the lifted to the crowd. He didn't do anything. He just

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was very quiet when they gave him
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team advert we won. I'm happy. That's it. It was all about

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Travis Kelsey and it always has been. I get it. That's his personality.

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Is he attacked the mayor of Cincinnati
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I thought it was classless. And
you know what if I was the mayor.

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I want to said something. I
want to say. You know what

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you see, Grid, I'd expect
more. Andy ass had purvol needs to

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be made fun of. He he
really is really the politician that I've seen

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in a long time, since Gavin
Newsom. Maybe this is what politicians who

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you like? Besides Trump? Who
should go to jail? What politician do

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you like? How is Donald Trump
supposed to go to jail? He's no

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good He's not a good person.
He hates everybody. He's a liar.

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Every time he moved his lips,
he lies and you know it. But

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that's okay, Joe Joe Biden's been
lying for fifty years. You know you're

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talking about Donald Trump. So I'm
giving you and an alternate point of view.

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And Donald Trump is not a liar. He's not a racist, he's

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not a hater. Look, let's
not go down that road. Come on,

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you you went down you went down
that road. You went down that

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road. I don't want to so
come on. He's making fun Micky Haley's

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husband. Wait, Mickey Haley's husband
left him, left her because grise.

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He didn't want to be with her. He's in the military. He made

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fun of the military year ago,
he said those people are cowards? Are

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you kidding me? Are you talking
about He's talking about the He's talking about

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the idiots. He's talking about the
idiots in charge of the military, and

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they are cowards, including the current
Secretary of Defense, Lloyd Austin. That's

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fine. Look, I'm not going
to change your mind. I'm not here

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to argue with you. I'm talking
about Travis Kelsey, what happened on Sunday,

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and I worry about his girlfriend.
I love. See this is the

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point. I love toxic masculinity,
especially in the NFL. We need more

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of it. We don't need more
diversity, equity and inclusion. We need

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men who are real men who are
loud and proud and are ready to celebrate

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a great victory. And that's all
he was doing on that stay and have

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anger management issues and push their coach. Real nice. So you're suggesting,

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you're suggesting that, you're suggesting that
it is a commissioner suspended of the thirty

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days. You're well, he's always
been a thug. Uh. Anyway,

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you're suggesting that that Travis Kelcey is
going to be guilty of abusing Taylor Swift.

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That's what that's what you said.
You are concerned about worry about the

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fact that you're concerned about it,
perhaps anger management issues, you know what.

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I said that that just gives you
a chance to write a whole new

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album songs and make more more millions
of dogs. I mean, if you

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want to make the joke out of
it and funny, you know what.

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I hope it never happens. But
should he smack her when they have an

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attitude or push her down the front
of steps. I hate to come on

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this show with you and say I
told you so, I told you and

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someone you know. Look, he's
an egotistical guy. And there's a lot

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of people with big eagles that play
professional sports. He's one of them.

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There are a lot of people who
with big eagles who do sports talk.

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Andy you mention if you say me, no, I didn't you have an

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opinion. There are many people,
and they're very successful. Name one you

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want me to name names. I
think Colin Coward is a big ego on

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Fox Sports Radio. I think that
he thinks whatever he says, he thinks

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he's right. He's like a college
lecturer. You know. I don't dislike

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him. Stephen Smith, but Stephen
A Smith has one of the biggest he's

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a blowhard. Yes he is Alard. So there's one I named one,

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Andy, that's not you. How
about that? All right? That's fine.

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I mean I think I'm a lot
different than Stephen A. Smith.

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First of all, he's made a
lot of errors and statistical errors and factual

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error. I don't think he prepares
as much as you think he does.

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He's got an opinion, that's great. That's what made him, I guess

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popular. And I think he's a
gas bag. And I think he just

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goes after people. He's allowing And
have you ever made an error? I

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certainly have, and I'll be the
first to it. Have you ever heard

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any a million dollars a year to
make errors? First of all, all

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had a staff on them. It's
all a matter of what you get paid

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to whether you can be error free
or not in your mind. No,

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if you if you make more money
than someone else, you should be more

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of a quote expert in that opinion
and that field than the other person.

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If I go to a doctor who's
a stir surgeon who just got out of

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medical school, he's not going to
be making a guy who's been a surgeon

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for thirty years. I'm going to
the cons for thirty years. If I'm

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going on a plane, I'd rather
see a pilot with gray hair than a

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guy would appeard. Okay, that's
what I'm saying. If you've got more

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experience being paid more, he's probably
better. There are monkeys that are probably

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better experts, and they're getting paid
like bananas and peanuts than a lot of

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people I see on TV that are
getting paid tons of money. The money

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doesn't matter, Andy, it matters
does your bank, but the talent you

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have the money. There are a
lot of people making a whole lot more

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money than me, and I'm sorry
they're not as talented or more talented than

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I am. You know what people
are paying they are no, they are

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in the mindset of people that are
writing the paycheck, they are more talented.

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Maybe maybe you're not making that money. Maybe let the buyer beware.

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Maybe they should lose their jobs for
that kind of mishandling of the company's money,

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and they're misjudging of talent. Very
well, be Gary, Jeff,

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you may be right, But all
I'm saying is this, you know,

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don't try to coat yourself and saying
well, I'm better than them. No,

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they're making more for either they know
so much they know someone to hire

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them, they are better than you, or they're in the right place at

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the right time. That's all I'm
saying. They've got the reason why they're

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making more than you are. They've
got a lot of guys in the sports

407
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business are making more than me.
They've got naked pictures, they've got leverage

408
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:06.640
over the executive And you know what
I have. I have. I have

409
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:10.039
at least an iota of integrity.
I would never do something like that to

410
00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:14.240
leverage my talent, because you know
what I was told by somebody, a

411
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:18.079
program director in fact, in this
building, Andy wants. He said,

412
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:21.359
Gary, Jeff, you know a
lot of people in this building that you

413
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:25.480
work with want to be somebody.
And I said, well, tell him

414
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that I've been somebody, and it's
not all it's cracked up to be Andy.

415
00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:30.839
And that's my philosophy. I've already
been to the mountaintop, okay,

416
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:37.119
and I'm going to number one stations, making lots of money and doing it

417
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:41.279
now for almost forty four years on
a consistent basis. I feel like I'm

418
00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:45.960
in pretty good shape as a talent. In this. I want to give

419
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:52.160
you a hug. Oh you give
you a hug. Oh it Tomorrow's Valentine's

420
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:55.279
Day. That's sweet. That's sweet. Tomorrow's Valentine's Day. And you just

421
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:57.400
gave me a radio hug. This
is so nice. Yes, I did?

422
00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:00.440
Yes, Can I have flowers to
do? You agree with me?

423
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:04.319
You agree me with this? This
anger management? I think he needs a

424
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:07.279
little help, That's all I'm saying, Travis Kelsey, give at professional.

425
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:12.400
Some people listening to some people who
listen to us might think we need anger

426
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.519
management the way we go at each
other. Something we don't. We only

427
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:17.400
have it will wait together on the
radio. Think about that. Well,

428
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:23.119
maybe maybe maybe Travis. Maybe Travis
Kelcey only has it when he's in the

429
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:28.359
biggest game of his life and he's
fighting to win. He's a competitor.

430
00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:34.640
He's just trying to win the game. And the best, best best way

431
00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:37.480
to win the game is to be
in a competitor and win it all costs.

432
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:40.839
And you know what, if you're
the answer, which he was in

433
00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:44.359
the second half, then Andy Reid
should have had him in on the play

434
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:49.279
the pro checco fubbled. That's what
I was that's what's complain about. And

435
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:53.079
Andy Reid is a great coach,
great coach, Hall of Fame coach,

436
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:59.839
No doubt he has. He filed
charges against Travis kelcey. Look has he.

437
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:01.799
I'm sort of gonna laugh about it
one day. I'm sure it's gone

438
00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:07.160
and forgotten. There's no doubt.
Mind, I'm laughing. There's the difference

439
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:10.759
between being competitive and having an anger
management issue. And I see, Look,

440
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:15.279
Patrick Mahomes is competitive. He didn't
have an anger management issue. I

441
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:20.400
just se anybody else at an issue
like that Travis Kelsey did, Patrick Patrick,

442
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:24.000
Patrick Mahomes doesn't have an anger issue
problem. In that game that the

443
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:28.400
Chiefs, did he push the coach? No, but he was. He

444
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:32.319
was following referees so screaming in their
face after the call Andy, because he

445
00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:37.599
wanted to win. He's a competitor, Travis Kelsey, Travis Kelsey is a

446
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:42.440
competitor. All he did was bump
the old man. Okay, that's all.

447
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:44.640
Yeah, So okay, that would
be like you know a kid in

448
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:46.960
school bumping his teacher. All right, might just say the only do was

449
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:51.240
bump you know, his girlfriend.
Okay, that's all he did. You

450
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:57.319
know, he just bumped her.
You never know, she might like that,

451
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:00.359
she might like to be bummed.
I don't know. It's not my

452
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:06.240
business if it's godless some people some
people. This is my takeaway from the

453
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:09.599
game. That's all I'm saying.
This is what I saw. Your takeaway

454
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:15.119
from the game is taking us to
a private relationship between Travis Kelsey and Taylor

455
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:22.199
Swift. And you're worried for Taylor's
private it's not private. But when they're

456
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:25.679
off camera and they're alone together and
the lights are out, that's their business.

457
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:28.960
And Andy, you know it's a
Valentine's shake, no doubt in my

458
00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:30.519
mind. But you know what,
when the lights are on there alone together,

459
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:36.639
any shoves are that will be everybody's
business because everybody will know what's the

460
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:39.840
difference. What's the difference between a
salt and a simple shove or a bump.

461
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:44.639
I'll go, I'm saying this,
Sit it together and then get it

462
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:46.559
to a big argument. And the
next thing you know, you see Taylor

463
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:52.280
Swip with a black eye? Is
that is that private? Again? The

464
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:57.039
scenario out, Andy, You're you're
missing the point that if Taylor Swift has

465
00:34:57.079 --> 00:35:00.679
a black eye. Courtesy of Travis
Kelsey, that's that's good for a lawsuit

466
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:06.800
and probably two albums worth of material
for Taylor. She'll make more money two

467
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:12.920
albums. Two am, I'm what
I think of It was the best half

468
00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:15.480
time show, the best halftime show. They're saying, I don't. I

469
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:20.079
don't watch the halftime shows. I
did see a little bit. There was

470
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:22.280
a guy. There was a guy
from Cincinnati who was up on that stage

471
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:27.239
with us on roller skatings and turning
back flip. He almost hit will I

472
00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:30.280
Am in the head with his skates. It was great. It was great,

473
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:34.039
she really was. You don't understand
why my wife is such a big

474
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:36.760
Usher fan. She just loved it. I just took a little break at

475
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:38.679
halftime. That's what I did.
I want back and started running some more

476
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:42.960
leavers. Well, you know you're
talking to me. She's probably thinking about

477
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:45.119
Usher right now. Andy. You
might want to go, you might want

478
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:49.880
to go put out that fire.
No, basically she's on a phone looking

479
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:54.239
at the halftime show again, right
Andy. Remember you can't spell Furman without

480
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:59.159
f you God, Kevin Fever.
We've got the cure. The Ford sixty

481
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:02.039
ninth and you will. Indianapolis Boat, Sport and Travel Show February sixteenth through

482
00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:15.920
eighteenth and twenty first through the It
is that nightcap not seven hundred WLW carry

483
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:22.360
Jeff back with you and with us
in this segment is Dave Cale and former

484
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:28.480
Bengal Robert Jackson. We're talking about
Autism Rocks and a very very special event

485
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:32.679
that is just ahead. We're just
days away from the next big Autism Rocks

486
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:38.599
fundraiser. It's a unique organization and
it's a needed organization. Any parent who

487
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:43.679
has an autistic child, and there
are more than there should be probably in

488
00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:47.039
this country, can tell you that
any kind of assistance that they can get

489
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:53.880
autism has some stigmas to it,
and also it doesn't necessarily get the play

490
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:59.760
and the press that some of these
other causes do. So I'm glad that

491
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you guys are rallying around parents and
people with autism once again. Dave Kale,

492
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:10.519
good evening, Thank you and thank
you for having us on. Yeah,

493
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and Robert Jackson, former Bengal,
It's great to have you as well,

494
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:17.760
sir. Likewise, thank you for
having us. When did you play

495
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:22.960
for the Bengals again, Robert,
My first year was the eighty one season,

496
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:24.800
my rookie year. I missed that
season, going to the Super Bowl

497
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:29.079
with a knee injury, and then
played up to eighty seven, missed the

498
00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:31.880
eighty eight Super Bowl, and then
came back in eighty nine. Well,

499
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:37.679
you know what, you didn't miss
a whole lot. I tell some of

500
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.039
my friends. Well, he said, you can blame me. I'm the

501
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:45.440
one that lost the game because I
didn't play. So it had nothing.

502
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:50.400
It had nothing to do with Stanley
Wilson chasing cocaine on Biscay Boulevard. It

503
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:52.880
was all Robert Jackson. You can
blame it on me. I've got big

504
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:58.519
shoulders. Very well, Well,
tell me before we get into the event,

505
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:01.119
Robert, since his first time we've
ever spoken, tell me a little

506
00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:05.519
bit about you and your background,
how you got started in football, where

507
00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:08.400
you came out of and uh,
and how you landed with the Bengals.

508
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:13.920
I started, Uh, got many
many moons to go up in Allendale,

509
00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:16.679
Michigan. Okay, I tell people. I tell that people. That's where

510
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:21.280
it started, you know. And
I got recruited to play in the MAX.

511
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:24.599
So I chose Central Michigan and that
there I was drafted to the Bengals

512
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:28.159
and you know, had a nice
career. You know, the eleventh round

513
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:30.599
draft choice and played eight years.
You know they you know back then,

514
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:35.519
well right now would be a free
agent or mister irrelevant. Oh yeah,

515
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:38.000
well you know, mister mister irrelevant
did play in the Super Bowl, didn't

516
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:42.800
win, but did play the Super
Bowls. They are good things. There

517
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:45.559
are good things that come in the
later rounds, Robert, and you were

518
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:50.840
definitely one of them, and thank
you. It is a pleasure. And

519
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:54.280
eight years in the NFL, I
don't care. I don't care where you

520
00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:58.840
were drafted. If you play eight
years in the NFL, that's quite an

521
00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:04.719
a compliment, a complishmation in and
of itself, because the average, the

522
00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:08.280
average NFL career, as you know, is very very short. There's a

523
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:14.920
very small window because it's such a
physically demanding sport and a lot of people

524
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:20.239
just don't make it. Even when
they've made it to the National Football League,

525
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:23.239
they don't make it more than a
couple of years generally. So what

526
00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:30.079
was the initial spark or inspiration for
you to be interested in autism, Rocks

527
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:35.880
and to become part of this.
Robert, I had nothing, no knowledge

528
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:37.960
of autism. And then when I
met Dave, I've seen him working with

529
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:42.639
his son, and then we did
a walk out. It was old Cony,

530
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:47.679
Dave, this she was and I
saw parents that had kids, you

531
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:52.559
know, with a disability or a
special need, and I just saw a

532
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:58.719
love, unconditional love that you know, you until you get in that circle

533
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:02.599
and know the parents and the kids, you won't understand the true meaning of

534
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:08.440
love. I mean, it's it's
frightening the love that I that I see

535
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:15.400
these parents and kids share and just
want from other people. And that's been

536
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:19.360
the spark and that's been the goal. And you know, we have a

537
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:22.480
program on Monday night where we call
them fit one try to fit one more

538
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:29.079
kid back into the community, you
know, because every human being has the

539
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:31.840
right to be treated equally. That's
my goal. Well, no doubt,

540
00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:38.280
Yeah, no doubt about that.
And there are accommodations that we make for

541
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:43.360
one another, whether we're talking about
autism or anything else. If we truly

542
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:47.039
care about people, there are you
know, people have to accommodate for me

543
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:51.719
sometimes. And I'm not on the
spectrum, I don't think, Dave.

544
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:59.280
For you, you have your autistic
son, What when did you first know

545
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:07.639
that your son was different? Well, actually it was at his six month

546
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:13.159
checkup when he was two years old, going on three years old, and

547
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:17.880
his pediatrician had his own little ways
of delivering things. So I'm in the

548
00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:21.519
room and he's telling me, well, you know, his head size is

549
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:24.239
this, and that's in the right
percentile. His weight is this, and

550
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:27.960
he's in the right percentile, and
he's going through things, and then he

551
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:30.880
just pops out and goes and so, by the way, how long has

552
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:36.880
he been autistic? And I went, what what is that word? Tell

553
00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:40.840
me about what you just said?
And my education began that day, right,

554
00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:45.400
And there are so many different levels
on the autism spectrum. I mean,

555
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:51.000
there is profound autism and it's you
know, it's really a challenge,

556
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:55.159
as you probably know, where there's
just no communication skills, you know,

557
00:41:55.400 --> 00:42:02.559
and it's so hard to get that
person to come out and actually make themselves

558
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:08.199
acknowledged, and then they're you know, people always reference Rainman and you know

559
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:13.440
the savant side of autism, which
does exist. There's Asburgers. There's all

560
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:20.400
kinds of different ranges of autism.
And I don't know if you can kind

561
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:25.280
of explain for the listeners, you
know, the different levels of autism and

562
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:34.199
the different needs that certain patients have
well. Parker had has what's called pervasive

563
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:40.960
developmental disorder not otherwise specified. There's
a little bit more to his diagnosis than

564
00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:46.800
that, but that's basically the part
of his brain that should have been able

565
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:55.079
to develop communication between his speech.
He's delayed in that most of his struggles

566
00:42:55.119 --> 00:43:01.480
are with annunciation, but he wore
every day trying to get better at his

567
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:07.719
annunciation. He's in speech therapy,
and he's in a therapy that kind of

568
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:15.519
integrates his skills as far as social
skills, and he's part of Roberts Fit

569
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:22.920
one program as well. I would
say he's probably delayed maybe half his actual

570
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:28.880
age. He's going to be nineteen
here in March, and he's probably delayed

571
00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:31.000
to the point of where he's probably
more like a ten year old eleven year

572
00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:38.400
old on some things. On other
things, he's very mature. He has

573
00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:44.119
some sensory integration with foods as far
as texture, so there's certain things that

574
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:49.719
he won't accept to eat. We're
working with him in food therapy through applied

575
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:53.000
behavioral services. That's one of his
speech places or his therapy places. But

576
00:43:53.840 --> 00:44:00.519
yeah, it's a lot of work. We probably do five or six therapy

577
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:05.920
sessions each week, and then of
course working out at Fitworks when we can

578
00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:10.679
get him up there to see Robert
Well, the autism rocks things that's going

579
00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:16.960
on here. When's the next event, guys, It's coming up this Sunday.

580
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:23.639
Yeah, where go ahead, Robert, go ahead? Day. Well,

581
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:27.960
it's coming up this Sunday, February. I just didn't want to step

582
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:31.400
on him too. It's coming up
this Sunday, February the eighteenth, at

583
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:37.320
fret Board Brewing Company. We have
the doors opening at eleven o'clock to the

584
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:42.920
general public. We're gonna start first
band at noon that would be Deja Vu,

585
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:46.519
then at one o'clock Marsha Brady,
then at two o'clock Gena and Johnny

586
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:52.159
Band, and then at three o'clock
Denim Deluxe, and then at four o'clock

587
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:59.000
Dangerous Gym and the Slims, and
then at five o'clock would be Sweet Sister

588
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:02.079
Mercy. Now plugged in to that, also, we have a special guest,

589
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:07.079
Brayden Raymer, who's notn in the
Cincinnati music scene. He's going to

590
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:10.159
do a song or two with Marshall
Brady and possibly even with Don Rolock.

591
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:13.880
So we've got a real full line
up for everybody as far as the music

592
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:17.400
is cool. And I know that
Elliott's loan A Blessed Union of Souls is

593
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:22.400
involved in this effort as well.
Is that correct? Yes, we recently

594
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:27.360
did have a conversation with Ellie.
You know, I've been doing this,

595
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:31.639
this will be fifteen years, and
after doing it so long, something so

596
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:36.719
long, you kind of get stuck
in the same tread the same path.

597
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:39.960
And I've been talking with Elliott for
a while. He did an event for

598
00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:44.760
us back in twenty seventeen, we
called it Rock and for iPads, and

599
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:47.320
we've been chatting for a while and
I said to him, would you be

600
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:52.920
willing to come on as an advisor. I'd like to come to Autism Rocks

601
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:55.440
fifteen, just observe what we do, meet the people that come to the

602
00:45:55.480 --> 00:46:00.000
event, see everything that goes on, and then afterwards, let's sit down

603
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:05.000
and have a conversation about what you
witnessed and where you think we might be

604
00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:08.159
able to make some improvements and some
changes in the years to come to make

605
00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:13.119
it a little bit better. Like
I said, if everybody just went by

606
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:15.280
my ideas, we'd be stuck doing
the same thing. I want to make

607
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:19.960
sure that we evolved with this.
I got you, Dave Kale Robert Jackson

608
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:24.199
Autism Rocks. It's coming up this
coming Sunday at Fretboard Brewery. Again,

609
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:30.159
give the location of people don't know, Dave. It's at fifty eight hundred

610
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:34.199
Creek Road, Blue Ash, Ohio. And if they need any more information,

611
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:37.719
it's on our Facebook page. We
have an event page called Parker's Autism

612
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:43.199
Rocks fifteen. We have our page
which is Autism Rocks Cincinnati, and then

613
00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:51.679
we've recently opened our own website.
It's Autism Rocks Sincy with a Y dot

614
00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:57.079
org. Robert Jackson an honor to
speak to you and hopefully maybe maybe we

615
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:00.360
can have a chance to sit down
and talk some football again some time.

616
00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:05.199
But oh we get sat down or
wed go play golf and top football,

617
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:08.800
you know, Okay, Well,
I'll be I'll be happy to caddy for

618
00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:14.920
you. You got to play.
I gotta have somebody I can be.

619
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:20.440
Well, I'll bring my good friend
Charles Barkley with me. I'm sure that

620
00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:28.679
that'll be swinging dude. Dave Calee, thank you so much, Robert Jackson

621
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:34.559
Autism Rocks this Sunday, starting at
noon. You said yes, we're going

622
00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:37.599
to open the doors at eleven.
Starting at noon, MCS will be uh

623
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:43.559
the Fatman, Ernie Brown, and
Perry Back from the Cincinnati Reds. I

624
00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:46.159
tell you what, Ernie is the
best. Uh. I actually did a

625
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:52.719
profile on Ernie on this program not
too long ago after he got inducted into

626
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:58.000
the Northern Kentucky Hall of Fame Music
Legends Hall of Fame. And he is

627
00:47:58.039 --> 00:48:01.760
the best and he all was is
out there helping people wherever he can.

628
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:06.239
He's a really, really great guy. So you got some good people involved

629
00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:10.920
with you, including yourself, and
all the best to Parker and everybody else

630
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:16.320
who benefits. And what's the direct
benefit charity that we're referencing here on this

631
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:22.280
Well, in the years past,
we've done that. We've named one specific

632
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:28.880
charity, the Cincinnati Center for Autism, the Autism Speech People, more recently

633
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:32.360
the Ken Anderson Alliance. But what
we've decided to start doing is spreading it

634
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:37.480
out to as many organizations as we
can. So we're going to be seeking

635
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:40.360
out some different organizations. We've already
spoke with a couple, and we're open

636
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:45.159
to people and organizations coming to us
and asking us if they need some financial

637
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:50.119
help. So that's our plan is
we want to spread it out as much

638
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:52.400
as we can. Well, guys, wish you wish the best of success

639
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:54.679
with that, and thank you for
all of the fine work you're doing,

640
00:48:54.760 --> 00:49:00.719
Robert with the fit. Thank you. Yeah, that's that's remarkable. Autism

641
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:05.360
rocks this Sunday. Dave Kale,
Robert Jackson with us and this is the

642
00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:09.320
nightcap. On seven hundred WLW Bounce
to the crowd, game way too loud.

643
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:16.400
Here comes Taylor Cruise beges play by
too Loud, Electric Electric Player.

644
00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:23.320
Now to the crowd, game way
too look way twenty twenty four centinnati wret

645
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:28.960
this clows this game wide. Oh
the way too l all starts with spring

646
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:32.519
train sending the right fielder back to
the log goal. On seven hundred w

647
00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:39.320
l W oh Jonathan India again the
home of the Reds. When you donate

648
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:43.719
your car, truck, motorcycle or
RV to Saint Fans in deplay my favorite

649
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:46.960
radio disc jockey in the entire world. We did this before the first of

650
00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:52.880
the year last year, before his
induction into the National Radio Hall of Fame,

651
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:58.079
which is so richly deserves. And
now he is a member in good

652
00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:00.800
standing I've never heard it, and
I've been listening to the radio since I

653
00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:06.880
was six seven years old, going
back to nineteen sixty seven sixty eight about

654
00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:10.639
when he started. And I tell
you what, I've heard them all.

655
00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:15.639
I've heard all the greats and his
themes, his segues, and his ability

656
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:21.519
to when you listen to this guy
on the radio, it doesn't matter what

657
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:25.400
song he's going to play, because
you're you're not listening, you're listening for

658
00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:30.400
the songs, but you're listening to
hear Pat Saint John and how he is

659
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:35.639
going to play those and present those
songs. And he is on Serious XM

660
00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:39.400
sixties Gold right now in the afternoon
drive, and I hate to confess,

661
00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:45.920
I occasionally will listen, like almost
every time he's on. And I wanted

662
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:49.440
to bring him in as part of
my rock and Roll archaeology series tonight for

663
00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:53.679
this segment, and we're focusing on
the music from the Detroit area. We're

664
00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:58.719
in Cincinnati. Why Detroit, Well, Cincinnati has a rich musical history,

665
00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:01.559
which we have discussed in the asked, but so does Detroit and it goes

666
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:07.360
way beyond Barry Gordy and Motown.
And I heard Pat play this song the

667
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:09.760
other day. We'll start with this
and I know he's got some little cuts

668
00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:14.400
we're going to play along the way. But Pat, good evening, Welcome

669
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:17.679
to rock and roll archaeology. And
what I do know? I don't know,

670
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:22.039
Gary Jeff, I don't know how
I can live up to that kind

671
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:25.880
of talk. You just all those
compliments. Thank you. I mean all

672
00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:30.159
I can say is thank you.
I mean that's wow, that's crazy.

673
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:34.159
No, well, you know how
I feel. I mess up your email

674
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:37.719
all the time with my little compliments. But I heard you play this and

675
00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:54.599
this tell me truth or not?
Is this a Detroit artist? Let me

676
00:51:55.760 --> 00:52:00.199
now? That is Nathaniel Mayor the
Village of Law from nineteen and he is

677
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:04.760
from Detroit, right Pat, He
is from Detroit, Yes, indeed,

678
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:07.679
and not Motown. A lot of
people here, a lot of people here

679
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:13.519
Detroit, and that's all they think
of. But there's so much broader scope

680
00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:17.119
of incredible artist that had nothing to
do with Hitsville, USA. Right.

681
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:22.320
Oh yeah, well that's true.
I mean there and you know there are

682
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:27.320
a lot of stories about Motown.
One of the things years ago today that

683
00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:29.519
I narrated, and I know you
want to talk about, you know,

684
00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:32.599
other rock and roll no but no, please anything you got. And you

685
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:36.880
know there are artists that are not
in Motown that probably should have been,

686
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:42.320
like Jackie Wilson. Yeah, I
mean even Jackie Wilson's Lonely Tear Drops was

687
00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:46.079
which was written by Barry Gordy.
I mean, this was before Motown and

688
00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:52.800
he never wound up being at Motown
and then he's got connections later at Jackie

689
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:57.519
Wilson was from Detroit. But like
on Higher and Higher and Whispers Getting Louder,

690
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:01.360
those are the Funk Brothers Motown.
But they were moonlighting and they went

691
00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:08.840
down to Chicago and cut these records
for did these sessions for Jackie Wilson?

692
00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:13.360
Well, Pat, And then yeah, I was gonna say Pat Saint John

693
00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:17.320
started his radio career in Detroit,
and that you're from the area, and

694
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:22.480
I was born in Detroit, born
in Detroit, exactly, Sony, you

695
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:24.000
you were gonna say something else,
and I'm sorry in rupted. Well,

696
00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:28.679
the other thing. The other thing
I was going to say was the building

697
00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:32.960
Hitsville, USA, down on West
Grand Boulevard in Detroit. When my mom

698
00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:39.719
was younger, before she was married, she lived in the house next door,

699
00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:44.800
which doesn't exist anymore. But she
lived in that house that was next

700
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:51.039
door to West Grand Boulevard. This
is back in the thirties and forties,

701
00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:54.119
you know, before before Motown took
it over. So that's like, you

702
00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:59.519
know, that's an amazing thing,
no doubt to realize. And I got

703
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:02.639
a few pictures of my mom standing
in front of it. And you know

704
00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:08.519
from back then, I mean Barry
Gordy bought that bought that property and knocked

705
00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:14.880
it down, but years ago.
So anyway, so you were asking me

706
00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:22.000
about the other you know, Detroit
had an incredible roster of rock and roll

707
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:27.920
people. Well before I even get
to that, Detroit radio the Detroit radio

708
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:31.039
dial was the best ever. And
yeah, I hadn't been to any others.

709
00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:34.800
But you know, even when I
went to New York and I heard

710
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:38.639
that the New York dial, so
this doesn't compare to Detroit. Plus,

711
00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:43.679
Detroit had its own music. You
know, as far as Motown. If

712
00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:52.679
there were you know, four releases
by an artist from Motown nationally, there'd

713
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:57.440
be like eight of them in Detroit, you know, hungry for more,

714
00:54:57.480 --> 00:55:00.159
there were more stuff on the charts
and then on the charts, and those

715
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:04.280
days you had artists like the Little
Clip that you played, Nathaniel Mayer,

716
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:09.519
the Dynamics, all kinds of Detroit
soul groups not on Motown, plus the

717
00:55:09.679 --> 00:55:15.599
likes of Bob Seeger and you know
the amboy Dukes in so many of them.

718
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:19.079
Yeah, that's right. The Motor
City mad Man, Ted Nugent,

719
00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:24.880
that's right. Yeah, I thought
he was mad then. I think that's

720
00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:30.280
a lifelong proposition for Teddy. I
got a quick story for you about Ted

721
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:35.559
Nugent when I first got When I
first got to Cincinnati, I was working

722
00:55:35.960 --> 00:55:38.719
for the FM, the classic rock
station, but I was also doing stuff

723
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:43.599
for the other rock station, WEBN
that was in building with us, and

724
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:46.639
they sent me out to Riverbend,
which is the open air amphitheater on the

725
00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:52.679
River where all the acts play in
the summertime. And Ted Nugent was opening

726
00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:54.800
up that night. I forget who
the headliner was, but Ted Nugent,

727
00:55:54.920 --> 00:56:00.800
and they said, we got an
interview for Ted Nugent backstage, Gary,

728
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:05.360
Jeff, you've got five minutes.
And so I'm up there on the steps

729
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:08.119
leading up to the stage. Ted
comes down and meets me for the interview,

730
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:12.519
and I said so briefly, Ted, and he took the mic out

731
00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:14.679
of my hand and he talked for
it, and they're telling me, my

732
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:16.280
ears, we got a break,
we got a break. I'm going I

733
00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:20.400
can't help, but I don't have
the mic in my hand. Ted Nutent

734
00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:23.599
just kept on going. It was
great, easiest interview I ever did.

735
00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:25.920
When he came to New York.
I know, I just you know,

736
00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:30.039
hey, man, like you say, he just thinks over and you don't

737
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:35.679
need to say a word. Well, my first experience with him was on

738
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:45.599
It was on Thanksgiving Eve Eve in
nineteen sixty seven, November sixty seven,

739
00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:52.159
I went to Southfield High School.
Southfield is the city just north of Detroit.

740
00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:57.119
Just this guy to eight mile and
well, there you go. There's

741
00:56:57.119 --> 00:57:02.280
an eminem eminem reference. Yeah,
that's right on that particular night at my

742
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:07.440
high school. Because of the radio
station they thought they were supporting, which

743
00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:13.599
was a Ken Watt station where I
started in Detroit. We had a concert

744
00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:19.760
in the gymnasium and the first act
was a local act called the Unrelated Segments,

745
00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:23.800
only popular in Detroit. I mean
that's what they call this show,

746
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:31.639
the Unrelated Segments. Well, the
second act, so they were the first

747
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:39.440
act. The second act was the
Mboy Dukes and then The main event was

748
00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:45.360
the Who. You told me this
the last time we talked. You got

749
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:52.360
the Who to play her high school. Yeah. Well that's because they they

750
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:58.039
thought they were playing for a radio
Detroit radio station. You know that was

751
00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:02.199
a lotiger than ten watts, which
was only about a five mile radius.

752
00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:05.679
Oh yeah, but they were happy
to do it. They were doing stuff

753
00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:07.440
trying to get you know, trying
to get off the ground. They had

754
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:10.719
a couple of things. Well they
had you know, they had my generation,

755
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:14.280
They had a lot of hits.
We were all amazed. It was

756
00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:20.719
three bucks and hosted by the jocks
at c KLW, and it was just

757
00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:23.960
it was just a blast. I've
never forgotten. How could I Well,

758
00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:27.679
you know what you talked to.
You mentioned Bob Seger, and you can't

759
00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:32.480
talk about Detroit without talking about Bob
Seger and his influence, his influence on

760
00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:37.400
all kinds of Obviously, he's influenced
by all these great sounds around him,

761
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:40.920
and then he goes on to influence
the sound of the Eagles because of his

762
00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:45.760
friendship with Glenn Frye and and all
the other things that Bob Seger did in

763
00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:51.880
his little illustrious career. I just
play a little. If this will play

764
00:58:52.840 --> 00:58:57.320
technology, it's a great thing,
isn't it, especially if we if we

765
00:58:57.400 --> 00:59:00.719
learn how to use it. So
anyway, I like the old school.

766
00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:05.440
I like old school stuff. Oh
man, I do too. I started.

767
00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:10.599
I started earlier enough in the business
that I was playing records when I

768
00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:15.079
for two turntables in a microphone,
like Beck says in nineteen eighty, when

769
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:19.239
I started in my first station.
A little taste of the Bob Secret system

770
00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:30.039
here. So, Pat, have
you got any good Bob Seeger stories for

771
00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:34.480
me? Well, I don't know. First of all, you mentioned Glenn

772
00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:36.840
Fry. You know he's on that
record. Yeah, yeah, I know,

773
00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:42.679
but you can't pick him out.
No, you know, Mike Bob

774
00:59:42.719 --> 00:59:47.960
Seger story. The first first time
I met him was at a junior high

775
00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:57.199
school in Michigan. I think it
was New Baltimore, Michigan, And yeah,

776
00:59:57.400 --> 01:00:02.320
junior high and I got to introduce
him there. I was eighteen,

777
01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:12.960
and his dressing room was the girl's
locker and he so you know that there

778
01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:15.320
you go. I mean to me, that's that's even weirder than the who

779
01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:22.280
because because this was a junior high
you know. Yeah, but that was

780
01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:28.440
a blast. And then several years
later, I was invited to a party

781
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:32.440
at Punch his house. Punches his
manager still is to this day, and

782
01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:38.760
we were over his plus place and
in the kitchen we saw Bob Seger there

783
01:00:38.800 --> 01:00:43.400
there he was, and he said, I remember you. You had that,

784
01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:46.840
you had that cool car, you
had that Grand pre White. And

785
01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:52.400
I couldn't believe he remembered that.
So that was mind blowing. And then

786
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:59.119
over the years, I've interviewed him
in New York and and in in Detroit.

787
01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:00.360
In fact, when I was in
New York, I was flown to

788
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:06.119
Detroit to do this interview with him. So there's been a lot of things

789
01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:09.519
throughout the years. And I once
as a record collector, when I had

790
01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:15.760
him on in New York, I
gave him a copy of the Night Moves

791
01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:20.440
album that was made in Taiwan.
Oh how about that? Yeah? And

792
01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:23.280
he had never seen that before and
so that was a lot of a foreign

793
01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:28.920
bootleg. Now tell me, tell
me if you know anything about the whole

794
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:32.159
story behind Rare Earth. How they
were doing the Temptations get Ready around clubs

795
01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:38.079
in Detroit and Barry Gordy got wind
and their version actually charted higher than the

796
01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:44.280
Temptations. I believe, and then
Barry Gordy offer them a record label if

797
01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:46.559
they just wouldn't cut any more motown
stuff. What was a story there?

798
01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:51.400
Do you know that? Well,
that sounds about right to me. I

799
01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:53.719
know, I can't tell you that
for some reason, I don't know.

800
01:01:53.840 --> 01:02:00.719
That sounds very familiar. But that's
what I've always heard is Barry Gordy the

801
01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:07.119
radios playing Rare Earth version of get
Ready and ignoring the Temptations version. And

802
01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:10.719
of course they had that long extended
jam out version that they did. Did

803
01:02:10.760 --> 01:02:15.000
you ever several years later that they
Yeah? Right, But did you ever

804
01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:17.440
meet those guys Rare Earth? No? No, never met any of the

805
01:02:17.480 --> 01:02:22.679
guys from Rare Earth. Never did. But that's another one of those signature

806
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:27.079
Detroit bands. Mitch Rider in the
Detroit Wheels. Tell me about that.

807
01:02:27.880 --> 01:02:32.320
Yeah, well, just you know, rocking good stuff with Jenny taker Ride

808
01:02:32.360 --> 01:02:38.880
that first record, and Mitch is
another one that was just was just crazy.

809
01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:45.159
I asked him about Socke to Me
Baby. I can know if we

810
01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:51.960
can get too much. Socke to
Me Baby reportedly has a nasty word in

811
01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:57.519
it, Okay, and that's the
way I, you know, most of

812
01:02:57.599 --> 01:03:00.800
us hear it. When I talked
to him. I asked him about it.

813
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:07.000
He said, would I would I
say a word like that? Would

814
01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:12.320
I? You know, very sarcastic, right, Okay, that doesn't really

815
01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:15.199
answer it, but it does.
It does give me a clue that it

816
01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:21.840
probably is. Plus the fact that
he recut it to the exact to the

817
01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:28.039
exact track. So and maybe they
I think they probably even punched in the

818
01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:30.800
vocal at a particular time. Every
time you kiss me, hits me like

819
01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:37.719
a puck, like a a hockey
puck, like a hockey puck. Yeah,

820
01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:42.400
and so anyway, there is a
recut version. We played the original

821
01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:44.840
here, what the heck? But
anyway you can figure out the rest of

822
01:03:44.920 --> 01:03:46.000
that. You said, you hit, you hit. You had a couple

823
01:03:46.039 --> 01:03:49.440
of little musical things you were going
to spring. Honest, do you have

824
01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:52.119
any of those available right now?
Just because now you know you played a

825
01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:57.639
little bit of rambling gambling Man,
which was his first national hit, but

826
01:03:57.719 --> 01:04:00.800
a couple of years before that,
I mean in Detroit, we were,

827
01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:06.920
we were, We had Bob Seeger
on the radio starting in sixty five six,

828
01:04:08.360 --> 01:04:14.559
only sixty six and uh he did
stuff on Hideout Records, which was

829
01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:18.400
also the name of the club where
he used to perform in those early days,

830
01:04:18.719 --> 01:04:21.679
and then he was picked up by
Capitol on a thing called East Side

831
01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:27.039
Story. But just for your listeners, how much this guy was rocking from

832
01:04:27.079 --> 01:04:30.880
six in sixty seven. This is
one called Persecution Smith. Just a little

833
01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:36.199
bit of it from mornin. But
he's still took at the He reached it

834
01:04:36.440 --> 01:04:42.880
in the corner where she deluted goods. He cheat the firing action and respected

835
01:04:43.039 --> 01:04:46.039
two kids. La man would call
a man man even though it all it

836
01:04:46.239 --> 01:04:58.239
kid he did, he's found a
bad uncredible Wow. You know he's not

837
01:04:58.360 --> 01:05:03.239
a man. He's not. Yeah, there you go. Just I mean,

838
01:05:03.639 --> 01:05:06.880
like I like a rock and roll
preacher. Man. Come on,

839
01:05:10.679 --> 01:05:13.400
here's another one. I know we're
I know we're running out of times.

840
01:05:13.480 --> 01:05:18.480
That's right. Here's one that's by
a local Detroit group called the Rationals,

841
01:05:18.519 --> 01:05:24.519
actually from ann Arbor, Michigan.
And this was this was a big hit

842
01:05:24.599 --> 01:05:29.320
in Detroit. It's the first version
I ever heard of this song. And

843
01:05:29.400 --> 01:05:33.679
the song is Respect Aretha Franklin's Respect, which was a cover of Otis Redding

844
01:05:33.800 --> 01:05:39.920
song he wrote it, But this
was the one I heard in Detroit,

845
01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:42.719
And like I said, this was
a big hit. Heard it way before

846
01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:45.920
Aretha. It's the Rationals their version
of this, and it almost sounds like

847
01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:59.400
a different song because this is rock
and roll. Check it out, Honey,

848
01:05:59.400 --> 01:06:13.880
you got it? Is that something
that's great? I've never heard that

849
01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:18.239
before. That's super Listen. Pat, We're gonna have to wrap it up,

850
01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:20.960
but thank you for taking time out
of your busy day. Yeah,

851
01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:25.079
I know, I know, I
know. And by the way, happy

852
01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:28.159
belated birthday. One more thing,
go ahead, thank you. No,

853
01:06:28.280 --> 01:06:30.519
I was going to say I had
two other clips that are mind blowing.

854
01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:33.239
Do we have enough time for that, Well, let's play one at least.

855
01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:38.639
No, they're short. Okay,
never mind, we'll do it next

856
01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:41.719
time. Okay, that's great.
I got you into it next time.

857
01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:45.480
This is wonderful. Yeah. Yeah, it's been a pleasure so much.

858
01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:48.920
Man, Thank you very much,
and I'll be listening. You're welcome,

859
01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:53.159
Gary, Jeff, good to talk
to you again. Rock and Roll Archaeology

860
01:06:53.199 --> 01:06:58.880
with Pat Saint John Radio Hall of
Famer on the Nightcap on seven hundred WLW.

861
01:06:59.440 --> 01:07:02.679
Meanwhile, and an Enchanted Castle,
a beautiful woman named Beauty is being

862
01:07:02.760 --> 01:07:06.480
kept by a beast. It's not
that bad. We have plenty of fun

863
01:07:06.719 --> 01:07:11.480
you mean the singing candles and teapots. Wake up, stupid, that's a

864
01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:15.360
cartoon. Oh I'm sorry. We
listen to Eddie and Rocky. They're funny.

865
01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:20.119
You should see the beast's nostrils flare
when he laughs. But aren't you

866
01:07:20.199 --> 01:07:24.960
afraid? No? I like it
here. I've got Eddie and Rocky and

867
01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:29.119
this girl loves a guy with a
hairy chest. Today and Rocky give your

868
01:07:29.199 --> 01:07:32.840
day a fairy tale end a Eddie
and Rocky Tomorrow afternoon at three on seven

869
01:07:32.920 --> 01:07:39.079
hundred WLW Haret's Take your Daughter to
a Game. Save Your Women's Basketball returns

870
01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:42.679
to Senta Center to play the Yukon
Huskies. For our next guest, Dave

871
01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:45.840
Hatter. We're always ready for Hatter. Come on, man, the Mad

872
01:07:45.880 --> 01:07:50.239
Hatter, the Voice of It and
the Internet of Things world, and why

873
01:07:50.280 --> 01:07:55.599
we should all be running for our
lives as fast as we we can,

874
01:07:55.719 --> 01:08:01.280
away from away from the technology.
Not exactly. It's Valentine's Day and a

875
01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:08.199
lot of people find love online,
and some people find scams online, and

876
01:08:09.079 --> 01:08:15.639
sometimes the Twain meet and that's been
of news of note lately, of course,

877
01:08:15.679 --> 01:08:18.920
with the Valentine's Day holiday tomorrow,
if you're looking for love the Internet

878
01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:24.920
may be in all the wrong places. Dave Hadter, good evening. Well,

879
01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:28.319
Garry Jeffs, I'm always my pleasure
to be here. I appreciate you

880
01:08:28.359 --> 01:08:31.760
giving me an opportunity to warrant folks
about this. You know, just the

881
01:08:31.880 --> 01:08:36.920
tininess of the Valentine's Day stuff is
really important because romance scams are on the

882
01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:41.920
rise all year round, but you
know they generally tend to pick up around

883
01:08:41.960 --> 01:08:45.000
Valentine's Day. And here's a there's
a quote from an FBI report. In

884
01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:49.880
twenty twenty one, some twenty four
thousand victims across the United States reported losing

885
01:08:49.880 --> 01:08:56.760
approximately one billion dollars that's billion with
a B to romance scams. It's likely

886
01:08:56.800 --> 01:09:01.479
that many more losses went unreported.
Now that was two years ago. How

887
01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:04.880
is this? I mean, are
people? Are people just so desperate to

888
01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:11.640
find that special someone and they're sitting
there alone in their in their bedroom or

889
01:09:11.680 --> 01:09:14.840
at their desk at home, and
they've got their pajamas on, and they're

890
01:09:14.880 --> 01:09:19.000
just gone so lonely, and they're
just scamming or scanning through the lines and

891
01:09:19.039 --> 01:09:26.880
then they get scammed to the tune
of one billion dollars total. Anytime I

892
01:09:26.920 --> 01:09:32.359
don't know someone and they asked me
for money, My first response, no

893
01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:39.279
matter how desperate I am, is
to give them money. Dave Well,

894
01:09:39.439 --> 01:09:42.159
I think, Gary, Jeff,
that's what part of what you said is

895
01:09:42.199 --> 01:09:46.479
true. You know, people are
lonely. The pandemic has exacerbated that problem.

896
01:09:46.760 --> 01:09:50.640
But I think it's also a combination
of more people are comfortable doing things

897
01:09:50.680 --> 01:09:56.439
online. There's probably more dating apps
than ever, people shop online. You

898
01:09:56.439 --> 01:09:59.000
know, people use this stuff all
the time, and I think the average

899
01:09:59.039 --> 01:10:04.800
person does not realize a how easy
it is to impersonate someone online and assume

900
01:10:04.840 --> 01:10:10.279
an identity and it's not legit,
and then be how easy it is for

901
01:10:10.319 --> 01:10:14.880
these people to steal your money,
because realistically this boils down to sort of

902
01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:18.439
an evil brew of technology and social
engineering. I can go online right now

903
01:10:18.479 --> 01:10:23.119
and create a fake account. And
you know, one of the best things

904
01:10:23.159 --> 01:10:26.600
you can do to try to defend
yourself against these sorts of attack is if

905
01:10:26.680 --> 01:10:30.039
you strike up a conversation with someone
immediately, if they have a photo,

906
01:10:30.159 --> 01:10:32.439
they don't have a photo to me, that's a red flag. But if

907
01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:35.600
they have a photo, do a
reverse image search on it and see if

908
01:10:35.600 --> 01:10:40.720
that photo shows up under other names
if it does, huge red flag that

909
01:10:40.840 --> 01:10:43.439
you're getting scammed. Now that's not
the only red flag, and I'll get

910
01:10:43.439 --> 01:10:45.399
to a few more of those than
a second. But you know, it's

911
01:10:45.439 --> 01:10:49.680
so easy now to set these fake
accounts up. And I would remind folks

912
01:10:49.720 --> 01:10:54.079
one of the reasons why you should
care about your privacy, why you should

913
01:10:54.119 --> 01:10:57.520
not have the attitude, well,
all these apps are collecting all my data.

914
01:10:57.600 --> 01:11:00.000
It's all out there, any why
do I care. Here's why you

915
01:11:00.119 --> 01:11:03.359
care. Every time your data gets
stolen, every time your data's aggregated with

916
01:11:03.399 --> 01:11:06.399
other data sets and more of it
gets out there about you, it makes

917
01:11:06.399 --> 01:11:11.960
it easy for the bad guys to
impersonate you. So could I not only

918
01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:14.800
take like direct in the fairy faction
trying to set up, you know,

919
01:11:15.199 --> 01:11:17.479
loans in your name or something.
But if I'm on a dating site as

920
01:11:17.479 --> 01:11:21.920
a scammer and I make a connection
with you, can I go do what

921
01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:27.199
in the business is known as open
source intelligence and find information about you in

922
01:11:27.279 --> 01:11:30.079
a data breach or even things like
LinkedIn, Facebook, et cetera. And

923
01:11:30.159 --> 01:11:34.039
now I know how to push all
the right buttons to create rapport and chemistry

924
01:11:34.079 --> 01:11:38.560
with you. It's just conveniently you
know, happening that I like all the

925
01:11:38.600 --> 01:11:41.399
same things you like. I like
the same music, I like the same

926
01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:45.399
you know, writers, et cetera, because all that information is out there.

927
01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:47.199
You know, I know that you
happen to like a certain type of

928
01:11:47.239 --> 01:11:51.439
dog or whatever because you either talked
about it on Facebook or because that information

929
01:11:51.520 --> 01:11:56.159
has been leaked about you through one
of these massive data breaches. My point

930
01:11:56.199 --> 01:12:00.239
being, it's never been easier to
use open source intelligence or stolen data to

931
01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:04.279
figure out how to run a count
on someone. So you set up a

932
01:12:04.359 --> 01:12:09.119
dating app, you start talking to
someone, you go get as much information

933
01:12:09.199 --> 01:12:11.840
about you as you can, and
you know, next thing, you know,

934
01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:15.920
there's this magical chemistry. You found
your soulmate online. And then you

935
01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:20.479
know, again huge red flag is
you find that person's photo associated with someone

936
01:12:20.520 --> 01:12:24.800
else. But I'd also remind folks
scary Jeff. Now, thanks to AI,

937
01:12:25.239 --> 01:12:28.920
it's never been easier to create extremely
realistic photos that aren't going to show

938
01:12:28.960 --> 01:12:32.319
up for someone else. And you
know, as soon as the conversation turns

939
01:12:32.359 --> 01:12:36.399
the money, especially after they've never
wanted to meet in person, you know,

940
01:12:36.439 --> 01:12:40.319
they don't want to turn on their
video camera, but they'd love to

941
01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:43.319
come meet you if only you could
pay for that plane ticket. You're getting

942
01:12:43.359 --> 01:12:45.600
scammed, folks, You're getting scammed. And this isn't just my opinion.

943
01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:50.079
Go find stories. The FBI actually
has some great videos out there of people

944
01:12:50.159 --> 01:12:54.720
who fallen prey to these scams and
talk about it. And I think it's

945
01:12:54.720 --> 01:12:58.560
really important to hear from the people
who's happened to firsthand, because you can

946
01:12:58.600 --> 01:13:01.800
see that the con art involved in
this will tell you any lie to get

947
01:13:01.800 --> 01:13:05.279
your money. They'll stoop to any
level, they'll tell you any lie.

948
01:13:05.479 --> 01:13:09.119
So yeah, be aware of folks, And you know these things always turn

949
01:13:09.239 --> 01:13:13.159
up in increasing frequency around this time
of year. Well, I mean,

950
01:13:13.199 --> 01:13:15.880
if anybody like saw my profile pick
now, I'm happily married, and I

951
01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:19.439
mean happily married, Chris to two
point zero. I know you're probably asleep

952
01:13:19.439 --> 01:13:26.159
in bed, but I'm happily married. But I mean, if if I

953
01:13:26.279 --> 01:13:30.600
turned my profile picture out into one
of those online days, I can't imagine

954
01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:34.359
anyone contacting me back. Uh,
So, I guess that's the same I

955
01:13:34.359 --> 01:13:40.359
feel the same way. It's a
safeguard. Yeah. Usually most people would

956
01:13:40.359 --> 01:13:43.159
just print my picture out and hang
it up in like their garage or something

957
01:13:43.199 --> 01:13:47.680
to scare off the vermin. You
know, no, I keep the use.

958
01:13:47.800 --> 01:13:51.000
I'd use one. I'd use one
of those pictures that they sell with

959
01:13:51.079 --> 01:13:57.479
the picture frame. Yeah yeah,
me too. Again, that's where your

960
01:13:57.479 --> 01:14:00.760
reversed image search comes in to make
sure that you're not getting scanned, right.

961
01:14:01.199 --> 01:14:08.800
Okay, So good advice for the
love lorn. George Carlin one of

962
01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:14.520
the most genius comedic minds that God
ever put on earth, and you know,

963
01:14:14.560 --> 01:14:18.199
he's been passed for a long time, but he was popping back up

964
01:14:18.399 --> 01:14:24.199
sort of. And the folks in
charge of the George Carlin estate noticed that

965
01:14:24.279 --> 01:14:29.079
George was popping up. Well it
was like out there and it was all

966
01:14:29.119 --> 01:14:35.079
AI AI generated And they're suing the
people who put out the George Carlin AI

967
01:14:35.319 --> 01:14:42.279
comedy bit, and they should.
But this is this is really really weird

968
01:14:42.399 --> 01:14:48.800
territory now because the legal world has
never dealt with AI fakes and family estates.

969
01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:53.319
Just can you break down this story
for me a little bit, Dave,

970
01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:58.279
Yeah, you're right, I think
this this is weird territory and it

971
01:14:58.359 --> 01:15:02.399
touches on several of the problems with
AI, whether it's you know, synthetic

972
01:15:02.520 --> 01:15:06.680
media slash deep fakes, which are
sort of the negative connotation of synthetic media,

973
01:15:06.760 --> 01:15:11.960
which is the term for something that
has been entirely generated by a computer,

974
01:15:12.239 --> 01:15:15.600
like this George Carlin thing. Or
it's the weird legal territory we're in,

975
01:15:15.680 --> 01:15:19.159
which goes in a whole number of
different directions, because could you be

976
01:15:19.239 --> 01:15:25.319
framed for a crime using AI generated
you know content, perhaps could you be

977
01:15:25.359 --> 01:15:30.319
guilty of a crime and then potentially
get off because AI generated content shows that

978
01:15:30.399 --> 01:15:33.720
you weren't there, or you know, whatever the case may be. And

979
01:15:33.800 --> 01:15:38.039
we've got all these you know,
there's numerous copyright cases out there now,

980
01:15:38.119 --> 01:15:42.359
which gets us back to the George
Carlin case. But this just goes to

981
01:15:42.399 --> 01:15:45.920
show you we are to place now
where you really can't believe anything that you

982
01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:48.800
see or hear, because AI has
progressed to the point where you can generate

983
01:15:49.039 --> 01:15:55.720
extremely realistic photos, extremely realistic videos, extremely realistic audio, and in this

984
01:15:55.760 --> 01:16:00.920
particular case, some guys took you
know, first off, I think George

985
01:16:00.920 --> 01:16:02.920
Carlin was one of the greatest comedians
of all time. I thought he was

986
01:16:02.920 --> 01:16:08.840
extremely funny, and obviously he did
this for a very very long time,

987
01:16:09.520 --> 01:16:13.399
so there's a lot of content out
there. I can remember watching you know,

988
01:16:13.479 --> 01:16:16.640
specially George Carlin specials on HBO back
in the day. So the people

989
01:16:16.680 --> 01:16:20.800
behind this took all of this content, trained an AI model on it,

990
01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:29.319
and then produced a quote special quote
unquote called George Carlin Glad I'm dead.

991
01:16:29.560 --> 01:16:35.199
It's all completely you know, synthetic
media, completely entirely generated by AI trained

992
01:16:35.239 --> 01:16:39.479
on George Carlin's original material. Now, if you've watched any of it,

993
01:16:40.039 --> 01:16:42.880
I didn't find it that funny or
that compelling. I mean, yeah,

994
01:16:43.039 --> 01:16:45.000
it kind of sounds like him,
Yeah, it looks like him. It's

995
01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:48.600
not nearly as funny, I think, as George Carlin. But it does

996
01:16:48.640 --> 01:16:51.439
go to show you sort of the
state of the art of this stuff.

997
01:16:51.479 --> 01:16:55.319
Now. It's it's pretty good.
If you didn't know it was a deep

998
01:16:55.359 --> 01:16:59.600
fake, or that this sort of
deep fake type technology existed, you might

999
01:16:59.640 --> 01:17:02.840
be. But I think it also
shows again where we're heading into all these

1000
01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:08.920
weird territories of a there's no law
that prevents something like this, you know,

1001
01:17:09.000 --> 01:17:12.119
so they're going down the copyright angle
to try to shut this thing down,

1002
01:17:12.439 --> 01:17:15.319
and I understand their concerns. You
know, this is potentially going to

1003
01:17:15.399 --> 01:17:18.560
take away from money that could be
generated. You know, through his estate.

1004
01:17:20.039 --> 01:17:24.119
It's it's kind of crazy and just
shows you where we're at with this

1005
01:17:24.279 --> 01:17:29.119
and that this is a total wild
West in terms of where what this technology

1006
01:17:29.159 --> 01:17:32.600
is capable of and where we're headed. So it certainly bears watching. I'm

1007
01:17:32.640 --> 01:17:36.119
really curious to see where it goes
in the courts. I had the am

1008
01:17:36.399 --> 01:17:43.520
FM album when I was a young
teen, George Carlin, Big Radio,

1009
01:17:43.600 --> 01:17:47.319
Whino and Bing Bong five and five, the Hippie Dippy weather Man. I

1010
01:17:47.479 --> 01:17:50.920
just can't see a computer doing a
better job. I just can't. Well,

1011
01:17:51.119 --> 01:17:54.800
yeah, the seven words you can't
say on the CEA. I mean

1012
01:17:54.840 --> 01:17:57.840
a guy just had something. He
guess what, Dave, Dave, guess

1013
01:17:57.840 --> 01:18:03.079
what. We can't say that here
either. I fully understand that. Gary,

1014
01:18:03.159 --> 01:18:06.800
Jeff. As soon as soon as
you went there there, they're rattling

1015
01:18:06.840 --> 01:18:10.560
off in my brain going no,
don't say it, don't say it,

1016
01:18:10.600 --> 01:18:16.000
don't say it. No, George
Carlon, brilliant and AI deep fakes again.

1017
01:18:16.039 --> 01:18:20.800
This legal challenge will be interesting to
watch because if the courts rule in

1018
01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:25.920
the estate's favor, then that'll put
the kibosh on a lot of this.

1019
01:18:27.199 --> 01:18:30.640
If I think it might absolutely or
at least I don't know that it'll shut

1020
01:18:30.680 --> 01:18:34.239
it down, but it's certainly going
to put a dent in any legal use

1021
01:18:34.319 --> 01:18:39.960
of it in this form, and
if it rules in favor of the AI

1022
01:18:40.159 --> 01:18:46.720
generators, then we're all screwed.
I mean, it's going to be really,

1023
01:18:46.760 --> 01:18:53.399
really interesting for sure to see where
this particular story goes. Macy's is

1024
01:18:53.439 --> 01:18:59.319
being sued over facial wreck that led
to jail. And you got to explain

1025
01:18:59.399 --> 01:19:02.560
this story because because if it was
somebody who was shoplifting in Macy's and it

1026
01:19:02.640 --> 01:19:09.000
led to them being arrested, well
good, that's that's a plus for everyone

1027
01:19:09.039 --> 01:19:15.640
who gets sick of seeing people's shoplift
at nauseum and not be arrested or prosecuted

1028
01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:19.960
on the back end. But tell
me about this story. Well, you

1029
01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:25.640
know, this is an interesting story. So this is from the Washington post

1030
01:19:25.800 --> 01:19:30.800
Man sus Macy saying false face facial
recognition match led to jail. Assault case

1031
01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:35.479
adds to a growing number of wrongful
facial recognition arrests and further highlights the dangers

1032
01:19:35.479 --> 01:19:40.680
of the technologies use in law enforcement. And you know, we Gary Jeff

1033
01:19:40.720 --> 01:19:45.279
have talked to many times about issues
with facial recognition and the technology just really

1034
01:19:45.359 --> 01:19:48.239
isn't there. This appears to me
from what I can tell from what's been

1035
01:19:48.279 --> 01:19:53.720
public reported. Another example of that, where you know you go into most

1036
01:19:53.720 --> 01:19:57.760
stores now there are cameras everywhere.
In fact, you'll appreciate this because you

1037
01:19:57.800 --> 01:20:00.199
know me pretty well if you haven't
been, if you've been in any Kroger

1038
01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:03.840
stores recently, you may notice,
or at least the ones I've been in

1039
01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:08.960
have cameras everywhere, including monitors that
show you on the monitor telling you you're

1040
01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:12.960
under surveillance. Oh yeah, yeah. In fact, I will be Uh.

1041
01:20:13.119 --> 01:20:15.079
I will be going there early in
the morning to get my wife the

1042
01:20:15.159 --> 01:20:19.960
daisies that I forgot to pick up
today and uh and yeah. I go

1043
01:20:20.000 --> 01:20:24.520
to the self checkout and it's like
recording in progress, and there I see

1044
01:20:24.600 --> 01:20:28.960
that that ugly face and I go, oh yeah, and I usually smile

1045
01:20:29.079 --> 01:20:31.439
or make some weird face in it
on purpose, but anyway, go ahead.

1046
01:20:31.840 --> 01:20:34.880
I did too, Garry Jeff.
And in fact, what I normally

1047
01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:39.199
do if I can remember in advance, like if my wife wants me to

1048
01:20:39.199 --> 01:20:42.880
go to the store with her,
I have a shirt that has like two

1049
01:20:43.359 --> 01:20:46.399
evil looking big brother eyes on it
and it says or well was right,

1050
01:20:46.920 --> 01:20:50.119
humh And I like to wear that
to Kroger and then as I walk by

1051
01:20:50.159 --> 01:20:55.239
their cameras, I just point out
it each time mm hmm. Yeah,

1052
01:20:55.319 --> 01:20:58.199
send it, send a little message
to big brother you know. There there

1053
01:20:58.199 --> 01:21:02.199
it is point being though, you
know, I understand and I agree with

1054
01:21:02.239 --> 01:21:05.720
you. You know, shoplifting costs
us all money, right, the prices

1055
01:21:05.760 --> 01:21:11.239
go up. It leads to inflation
because if stores generally have a very small

1056
01:21:11.279 --> 01:21:15.439
margin to begin with, if you
have rampant shoplifting, those prices are just

1057
01:21:15.479 --> 01:21:18.279
passed on to us. So I
understand why stores, you know, want

1058
01:21:18.319 --> 01:21:23.960
to have all this videos for the
surveillance. But this facial recognition technology,

1059
01:21:23.920 --> 01:21:27.479
it just shows time and time again
it's not ready for prime time. And

1060
01:21:27.560 --> 01:21:30.439
in this particular case, you know, it was used to identify a guy

1061
01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:34.000
who got arrested and went to jail
and then was assaulted in jail. You

1062
01:21:34.039 --> 01:21:38.960
know. Again, it's one thing
to have someone on tape and then for

1063
01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:42.359
the police to do, you know, sort of standard old school police work

1064
01:21:42.399 --> 01:21:46.439
to identify someone and go arrest them. It's another thing altogether to assume this

1065
01:21:46.560 --> 01:21:51.920
technology is actually capable of identifying people
with a high degree of certainty. Which

1066
01:21:51.920 --> 01:21:56.960
it shows time and time again that
it's not, and it's got issues with

1067
01:21:57.039 --> 01:22:00.199
bias and all kinds of other problems. But yeah, ultimately this is just

1068
01:22:00.239 --> 01:22:04.960
another prime example of why I don't
believe it's ready for prime time and we

1069
01:22:05.399 --> 01:22:10.640
should not be relying on it in
the legal system because it's frequently wrong and

1070
01:22:10.640 --> 01:22:14.079
people are being falsely arrested. I
don't know. Yeah, it's not good.

1071
01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:16.479
Just a real quick aside, and
you can comment on it if you

1072
01:22:16.520 --> 01:22:20.319
want. Nothing. You sent me
that we talked about discussing. But did

1073
01:22:20.399 --> 01:22:24.960
you see the article in the paper
over the weekend that the new state of

1074
01:22:25.000 --> 01:22:30.159
the art seven hundred thousand dollars smart
toilet that they installed in downtown Columbus doesn't

1075
01:22:30.239 --> 01:22:35.640
work in the cold? No,
I did not see that. I'll have

1076
01:22:35.720 --> 01:22:40.680
to look that up because I remember
you and I talking about the smart toilet

1077
01:22:40.760 --> 01:22:45.920
last week, well last week,
and it's so insane that you know why

1078
01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:49.079
in the world you need a smart
toilet, and you know what what could

1079
01:22:49.119 --> 01:22:54.279
go wrong from that? Well?
Everything. Yeah, there's there's no chance

1080
01:22:54.359 --> 01:22:57.640
I'm going to be buying or using
a smart toilet. That's just ridiculous.

1081
01:22:57.680 --> 01:23:02.760
It was in the Inquirer this past
Saturday, the headline downtown Columbus seven hundred

1082
01:23:02.800 --> 01:23:09.720
thousand dollars toilets don't work in the
cold, So wait till the weather.

1083
01:23:10.479 --> 01:23:16.439
Wait till the weather gets warmer.
If you're traveling to Columbus because you want

1084
01:23:16.439 --> 01:23:19.920
to use the new state of the
art seven hundred thousand dollars toilets, I

1085
01:23:19.960 --> 01:23:24.960
would wait till it gets above freezing
on a consistent basis, Dave. For

1086
01:23:25.079 --> 01:23:29.079
that, it's just so ridiculous.
It's seven hundred thousand dollars toilet. You

1087
01:23:29.119 --> 01:23:31.680
could put in a lot of toilets
for seven hundred thousand dollars. Oh,

1088
01:23:31.680 --> 01:23:38.119
there's no question. None of them
are gonna, you know, ruin your

1089
01:23:38.159 --> 01:23:41.399
privacy. None of them are going
to post pictures of you on the Internet,

1090
01:23:41.680 --> 01:23:44.159
none of them are going to become
part of a botnet attack, or

1091
01:23:44.359 --> 01:23:45.800
you know, I could go on
and on. It's just ludicrous. Well,

1092
01:23:45.840 --> 01:23:49.039
let's waste of tax player dollars.
With one minute left, Dave Hatter,

1093
01:23:49.279 --> 01:23:55.319
let's talk about QR codes and how
you should be very careful where and

1094
01:23:55.359 --> 01:24:00.159
when you scan a QR code.
Yeah, Gary, Jeff story keeps on

1095
01:24:00.239 --> 01:24:02.920
up to the news of people being
scammed out of substantial amounts of money thanks

1096
01:24:02.920 --> 01:24:05.560
to QR codes. I would just
remind folks, since we don't have a

1097
01:24:05.600 --> 01:24:10.119
lot of time, you know,
it's easy as for a criminal to walk

1098
01:24:10.199 --> 01:24:13.960
up to something like a parking meter
or any place where you may have used

1099
01:24:14.000 --> 01:24:16.920
a QR code in the past,
cover the existing QR code with a QR

1100
01:24:17.000 --> 01:24:20.039
code of their design. There's no
way you can look at it by the

1101
01:24:20.119 --> 01:24:24.479
naked eye and know it's malicious,
and once you scan it, it could

1102
01:24:24.520 --> 01:24:28.960
a download malware of your device be
take you to a site where they steal

1103
01:24:28.960 --> 01:24:31.239
your credentials, which are then used
to steal your money. There's a well

1104
01:24:31.279 --> 01:24:35.800
known case here recently where a woman
in England had thirteen thousand pounds stolen in

1105
01:24:35.880 --> 01:24:40.199
a scam like this, So yeah, I would Again, I hate to

1106
01:24:40.239 --> 01:24:43.720
be the Kinsloht guy, but I
can tell you I'm not scanning any QR

1107
01:24:43.760 --> 01:24:45.720
codes in public. I'm just not
going to do it because there's too much

1108
01:24:45.800 --> 01:24:50.199
risk and these attacks keep rising because
the bad guys know it's an easy way

1109
01:24:50.239 --> 01:24:55.560
for them to scam people, and
average people do not realize that any QR

1110
01:24:55.600 --> 01:24:58.920
code you see could be malicious.
So yeah, just don't scan Dave Patter,

1111
01:24:59.079 --> 01:25:01.079
thank you, Happy Vale on time. Say hey, Happy Fat Tuesday.

1112
01:25:02.520 --> 01:25:06.159
Hey always my pleasure, Gary Jeff. Happy Fat Tuesday to EU and

1113
01:25:06.159 --> 01:25:09.399
all your listeners, and I'll look
forward to chatting with you against Sie.

1114
01:25:09.479 --> 01:25:12.960
All right, hope you find a
baby in your kincake. It's a nightcap.

1115
01:25:13.239 --> 01:25:16.600
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