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The o' chile effect is sponsored by
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you and now and now and media
looks like the seventh day of November twenty

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twenty three, allegedly according to that
thing we call a calendar, and this

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is the o'celly effect. So I
don't know if it's the show you were

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looking for, but you found it
anyway. Tearesday Tuesday, and it is

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usually the first broadcast day of a
week. Now because I have moved things

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to Tuesday through Friday, I'm doing
something a little unusual tonight due to a

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cancelation. Once again. I've had
cancelations on Tuesdays, like I don't know

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five out of the last six Tuesdays. Uh. But what I did is

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I figured, why not grab my
Friday night co host who has to go

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through things with me and navigate through
phone calls, the phone calls that we

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do get and whatnot, and give
him a different shot at doing things.

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Let's see what happens if he doesn't
have to answer callers and doesn't have to

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sit back and put up with everybody
else's opinion, and neither do I.

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So Tuesday, b Pete is with
me, and he randomly pulled a subject

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from the news. I asked him, Hey, what do you got on

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your mind? He pulled a subject
from the news. I said, good,

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let's go with that because that is
worthy of discussion. We're going to

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do that for about an hour here. So if you're catching the podcast and

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you're wondering what happened and you see
b Pete's picture once again on the graphic,

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it's not the Friday Night Show.
It is something else. Anyways,

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man, how are you doing tonight? I'm doing good. It is Tuesday,

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correct, it is I pulling guys, I'm just checking. Well.

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You know, we are getting ready
to go to Dallas, which is a

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little more than a week away now, and I'm looking so so forward to

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it. You have no idea.
Not looking forward to what it's going to

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cost me to go, not looking
forward to what I got to do in

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the meantime to try and get things
done, but very much looking forward to

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the trip. And you and I
are taking the road trip. You're you're

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coming down from North Carolina, grabbing
me in Georgia, and then we're going

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across the Texas. Souh, fun
and fun and a little more fun.

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But yeah, definitely looking forward to
that. Oh, by the way,

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I should have in hand a couple
of those little JFK quiz books as well,

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which Walt Brown authored as well,
but they're not, you know,

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quite as controversial as the Judithiary Baker
book. I should have those by the

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time we leave, too, so
we should have a few different books to

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distribute, some you know, nice
thank you gifts for supporters stuff like that.

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And god knows what else is going
to happen on this little adventure,

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but we'll find out when we get
there. Huh oh, definitely, definitely.

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Uh. The guys told me on
when I had the I recorded with

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Rob and Doug. I think it
was Saturday. I recorded with that.

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I'm a little confused because I got
people insisting on recording with me on days

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that I don't normally broadcast now,
so I've got had all kinds of weird

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days and times that I've done shows. I think it was Saturday I recorded

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with those guys, and they were
saying that, you know, the whole

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thing is kind of sold out.
I'm like, okay, that would be

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a rare situation, Like the physical
tickets are sold out, what the conference?

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Yeah, well, I better have
something when I get there. No,

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well I haven't. I haven't bought
mine yet. Well, look,

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I have a reservation or two.
But I mean I'm just saying I'm just

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told that. Well that's good though. If they can sell it out,

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that's that's good, right. But
there's still still virtual access available for people.

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So it doesn't mean that you can't
come down and meet us, like,

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you know, alongside the conference.
You can meet us after the conference

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proceedings are over with all that stuff. I mean, we're gonna be in

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Dallas. I'm not planning on leaving
the city in the overnight. So the

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virtual thing is that's something where they
give you a link to a site or

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is it through a service. Yeah, it's probably I think it was,

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like it's a specific like you go
to their website and if you have a

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pass code you can see the stream
and uh yeah, that's that's what happened

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in the past couple of years when
they had it only virtual. So I'm

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assuming they're going to do that the
same way, you know, so yeah,

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go ahead, Well it makes sense
to yeah, do it that way,

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do it the same way. If
it was successful, Yeah, just

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continue it on. Makes it a
lot easier if everybody's familiar with it,

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right and uh, and it worked. I mean I watched uh, I

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participated in the past couple of virtual
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was for one of these organizations on
redoing boats, and they had like a

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conference on teaching how to finish jail
code, make repairs, do things like

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that, and watching it, it
just kept cutting out. It was so

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it didn't cost me that much,
so I really didn't complain. But you

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could get the show on a DVD
they would send you. Yeah. No,

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I wrote them and told them,
I said, hey, I watched

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it. It was cutting out audio
and all that good. Hey, no

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problem. Stuck me as CD in
the mail. Well see now with this

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what they did on Lancer the past
couple of years is not only could you

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watch it live, but you also
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but they took a couple of days
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there. You could download it,
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if you if it did cut out, mine didn't cut out any I had

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one weird one where it kept repeating
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but it was something that I was
doing wrong, yeah, with you

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know, trying to watch it live. But look, anything that's live streamed,

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I've even watched, you know,
even say, like almost ten years

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ago, I was watching boxing via
live stream because I didn't have any cable

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or any box or anything, you
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forget which fight it was. Like
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fourteen or twenty thirteen, somewhere there, I was watching a boxing match on

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a live stream and that thing was
a mess. But I didn't pay for

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it, so I didn't care.
It's like it was a free thing and

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I just wanted to see who won, you know. But yeah, but

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some of those sports ones become messes
sometimes. But it's gotten better over the

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past couple of years. It looks
like to me and Lancer had a pretty

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good one. I didn't have a
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except that one thing I got stuck, like watching the same commercial or whatever.

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But you know, anyway, and
you can always download it and keep

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your videos later, which which I
did. I kept my segments. You

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know that I was involved in past
couple, you know. So, but

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I'm gonna be involved in like everybody
segment this year, so at least giving

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an introduction, except for those that
present virtually. Now that's another thing is

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a lot of people are sending videos. I don't think anybody's going to present

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virtually live, so they're not going
to be like taking in a live stream

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and sending it back out. So
everybody should be pre recorded, Like James

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Corbett is pre recorded. I think
John Newman is not going to be there

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physically, so he's because he's going
to Pittsburgh physically the day's previous. Yeah,

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I did to get an updated link
to see the roster. Yeah,

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if you go to that, you've
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Okay, well, if it's from
this year, they should I'll check my

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emails. I think there's a link
in there. Yeah, well if not,

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I can get you one. But
Vince Palmyra was gonna present Now he's

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not presenting. So if you don't
see Vince Palmyra on the list, you

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have the updated list, you know, for this year. I'll check.

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That's how I've identified it, and
I think it's a JFK Publications. I've

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given out the link a bunch of
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any of the recent JFK shows,
it's in the show notes. It's

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like JFK Lancer Publications dot com or
something that you go to and uh and

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and they presented you know particular I
have it there as you know, you

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can get your tickets here, but
also you can sign up a virtual there

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and all that too. Also some
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You know, you're pay in person
and also you go home, you got

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your downloads. Hey, well,
how many were they? How many were

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they planning on accommodating? Well,
I wasn't aware of an audience. Nobody

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gave me an audience number, so
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first I heard of it was Doug
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sold out. And I'm like,
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over there? Now I know who
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contact with them, but nobody told
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you know, so I don't know. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not.

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Guests, we'll find out. Let's
see. You said if it had

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Vince Paula Maron on it, it
was updated. No if it has Vince

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palmyern not on it now, then
it then it has been updated. He

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was like, old, I've got
an old one because he's listed on there

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with the Landis claims. Okay,
okay, yeah, because he decided that

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he's not going to present on that
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anyway, we'll get the updated list, and they're gonna have to give me

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an updated list pretty soon because I
got to introduce everybody, so you know,

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we're gonna have plenty of time to
do stuff though in between, because

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I'm not gonna sit through the pre
recorded ones, you know, and they

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don't need me to introduce those,
so I'm just gonna walk away during those

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and go sit down at my table
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if people want me to sign anything. Great. I don't know if anybody

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wants my autograph, but you might
want to have the merch, so you'll

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come and get that. I was
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would want to hear would be the
crap on prayer man from bark what's his

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name, Oh yeah, Bark Camp. And he's going to be there in

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person, and you asked me to
bring the book too. I thought he

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was doing it. I thought he
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think if you look at that list, it still says he's in person.

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I'm pretty sure. No, I'm
almost sure it was virtual. Man.

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All right, well, I'm gonna
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because I don't Yeah, you know
what, I'll look at one of my

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Uh, I'll go ahead over to
because I'm in the chatroom at Ocelli dot

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com. But I'm not looking I
doubt that. Let's see. Yeah,

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nobody, nobody really is saying anything
new in the chat room. So I'll

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go over to my own website and
uh use that tab to go ahead and

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take a look at the JFK stuff. I know if I go to this,

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uh Doug Campbell and Rob Clark show, I'm sure that I put down

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the correct link to go see where
it was. Man, I listen to

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that this morning. Yeah, well, you know, look, I was

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trying to give those guys plenty of
space, and I I find it interesting.

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But Rob and uh, what does
that gore is he? No,

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he's not going to be there,
but he's doing a presentation with with another

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guy. So and that's about the
time I was hoping he'd be there.

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Just give me a chance to meet
him. Yeah, me too. I

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I would have liked to have run
into him. Well, okay, so

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mine, Maybe refresh your page because
I don't see Paul Mayra now on my

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page. Well, this is an
email, so it's whatever you copied into

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the email. Oh yeah, yea, yeah, that's an old list then.

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But anyway, let's see, where
is bar Camp now offline? What

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the hell? Oh boy, well, you never can tell according to this,

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let's see. Oh crap, bar
Camp does say virtual on here.

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Oh that's too bad. Yeah,
that's too bad. I mean, oh,

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well, I would love to ask
him. Well, I have a

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feeling I'm gonna have a chance to
interview him after I get to read the

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book and stuff. So I just
recently got a copy. Somebody sent it

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to me, uh as as a
president because they really want me to read

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it. And it's not Bart's.
Yeah, like Bart didn't know. Bart

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didn't send it to me. It's
his book. Somebody else wants me to

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read it because they are converted to
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it is Bart's book that someone else
provided. Yes, absolutely, okay,

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because I heard he was putting one
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No, no, no, it's
out. It's a big it's got

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the big, huge blurry blob on
the front. Like the whole front cover

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is absolutely dominated by the blurry blob. Oh uh. And it does say

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Bark Camp on it. Matter of
fact, I think I got it within

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an arms reach. Let me see, Yeah, this is a forwarded message

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you sent me, so it was
I guess, just an email list.

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Quite a minute. Yeah, that's
a lid show. Now it's Yeah,

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if you've got a tab or something, I'll go to the archos or go

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to the website and see what's Yeah, that's that's the old list. If

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you go to JFK Lancer Publications dot
com. Here, I'll get it and

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i'll put it in our I'll put
it in our little skype chat here.

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I want to get to the subject
at hand before we run out of time

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too much, because usually this is
the way our you know, lingering thing

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goes on Friday, he said,
JFK Lancer Publications. Yeah, yeah,

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but here, I'll put it in
the little bubble here so you can click

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on it from your Skype if you
want. I'll have to do it later.

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Put it in there. Okay,
well I'll put it in the same

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same spot as Uh. That's okay, I'm there, I'm there. I

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already got to the website. All
right, there you go. It's some

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good stuff. I mean, yeah, Carmin is doing his virtual. Yeah,

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Carmine is doing his virtual that's true. Uh. The people I'm looking

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forward to being in person with actually
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was going to be there and it
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know what's going on there because he
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Maybe maybe they need to update that
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know. Uh. Rex Bradford is
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Stuart Rexler will be in person.
Okay, how much of this for you?

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Are you going to have to be
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definitely going to go to the banquet. So I don't know on Sunday.

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have speakers and stuff too. Is
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schedule somewhere. I don't think it's
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don't see anything about I mean,
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nothing about banquet. Let me look, wait a minute, Yeah, not

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a banquet, right, No,
the banquet is Saturday night. Is that

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what it is? Yeah, seven
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there you go. Banquet prep on
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yea, yeah, sorry, special
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all that happens at seven thirty on
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we get out of there and drive, we're gonna have you home by about

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nine o'clock the next morning. Well, we're not going to leave Saturday night

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because no, I'm at Sunday.
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they got stuff going to They got
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Parker. Yeah, but look see
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as far as I know, is
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ones are virtual, So we could
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you know, wouldn't bother me If
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we get back you know, early
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yeah, I mean, as soon
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drive on through the night. You're
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thirteen hours, Yeah, yeah,
no problem, I'll I'll be more than

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happy to leave it, say five
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Well. Anyway, look before we
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about this, although I'd be happy
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there is a controversy, right,
and yeah, I'm doing the on the

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other side of the pond thing there. The controversy impure in America, but

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the controversy in England or UK,
you know whatever, Hey, whatever you

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want to call it. The thing
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right, yet another Supreme Court ruling. Now, what's weird is all I've

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been hearing from the MSM generally over
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we have a very partisan right wing
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what it looks like considering the majority
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I mean, oh yes, absolutely, let's go buy their votes.

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It's like, listen, the woman
that's very dedicated to that certain idealism regarding

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Catholicism. Kavanaugh was certainly a conservative
judge. All of his rulings previously going

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on the Supreme Court suggest yes,
indeed, looks to me like the conservative

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leaning judges absolutely outnumber the liberal leaning
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if you look at what they've ruled
on since they joined, Kavanaugh is

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going to become a swing vote.
You can't, I if you can't guarantee

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that he's voting the conservative way.
He's shown that on a couple of cases

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in the past couple of years since
he got on. Well, great,

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that's Roberts. And I'll go ahead
and tell you now, don't count on

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Roberts to be a conservative vote.
He has shown blatantly that he will swing

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to the other side. I mean, look at Obamacare. He's the one

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to put it enforced by re arguing
the government's position. Okay, so I'm

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going to tell you you got to
watch what you know these people that,

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oh, yeah, we've got conservative
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were elected and put on the court, But that don't mean that's how they

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see things. Yeah, well,
the majority of stuff going on there,

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in my opinion, looks that way
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You have yours. I have mine. So I'm not going to sit here

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and argue with you about it.
Don't care. It's irrelevant because they do

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what they know. They're not irrelevant. It's not totally irrelevant. Well,

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it should be because the Supreme Court
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okay, which has zero to do
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That's what it should be. Okay. So it doesn't matter if you're liberal

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or conservative or anything else. Tell
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the Constitution, that's what the hell
they're supposed to do. Well, But

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ideology has figured I mean, look
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into the court a lot of times. Yeah. Okay, but but here

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we go again with what should be
and what is Okay, I got you.

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But what I'm saying is it should
be absolutely irrelevant. I don't give

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a crap how they vote. They
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Constitution is not democratic or republican.
It just isn't really really, in my

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mind, it is not a democrat. You think some of these liberals would

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would take that into consideration, according
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document that you can bend and contort
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And this case, well, this
case is a good example of how trying

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to trying to shape the argument doesn't
help them in this case. Yeah,

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but based on the prior rulings that
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But here's the thing. I'm not
here to inform liberals definitely, because they

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are confusing as hell. They don't
make any sense. And I know most

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of the people that call in on
the Friday Show, and you seem to

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agree that liberals will lock together and
you know, march in the same direction.

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That is not the way I see
liberals. I see circular firing squads

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constantly. These people will shoot each
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never stand together. The GOP side, it does very well at standing together

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quite a bit, except when it
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You know, a speaker in there. You have most likely flipped view of

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the majority of opinion and polling in
this country. I know, because my

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observations don't go with the polls.
I don't. You know, people are

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stupid, you know, well,
people are full on stupid. As far

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as I'm concerned. You know,
how I can prove that because voting for

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either Trump or Biden in the highest
voter turnout, allegedly going through the trouble

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of voting for either one of those
is absolutely stupid in my opinion, either

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one of them. Okay, but
that's the only choices they had. Yeah.

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if nobody shows up to poll,

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they start answering other questions. One, that's just it. Nobody shows up.

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One person is going to show up, and that's the one you're going

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to have to live with his choice. That's the fear. That's what gets

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people out there. Yeah, but
they have no choice. I mean,

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yeah, they're both stupid choices.
But we haven't had a decent political candidate

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probably since Clinton. Yeah, but
you're missing part of my point, which

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is that it's not about do you
vote, don't you vote? I don't

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care even Here's the thing. The
people that were enthusiastic on either side of

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that equation are are really the stupid
people. Not necessarily everybody who voted,

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but the fact that you had a
huge high voter turnout and people were super

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enthusiastic literally thinking that they were saving
the country one way or the other by

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siding with one of these two old
men, okay, is proof positive that

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the majority of people in America are
stupid, bottom line. Okay, because

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if you did it holding your nose, then maybe you're not so stupid and

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you just did it because you thought
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to leave it up to the minority
that would show I get all that.

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But if you did it because I
know President Clinton, not Clinton, I

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know President Biden will save the country, you're a moron. Okay. I

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know that President Trump is great for
America. You're also a moron. Okay.

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If you were enthusiastic about either one
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time coming up, I consider you
a moron. And I'm being kind by

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calling you a moron. I'm serious. I'm not calling you a moron.

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I'mius. Though. If you enthusiastically
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gonna do something great for this country
last time or this time, you are

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stupid. You're dangerously stupid, actually, And that was a huge segment of

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the population either side. So I
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observe that, yes, indeed,
Democrats will take each other down they will

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take each other down constantly. They
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look, look at the guy who's
the drag queen and getting charges against him

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and all that. That George Santos
or whatever his name is, right,

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he's lying to everybody. He's robbing
veterans. He's taken to one guy and

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is supposed to raise money for his
dog, and the guy's on TV going

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he let my dog die. This
guy, the Republicans won't even remove him

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from committees. He's clearly a scumbag, and they're the moral party. No,

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they won't take them round because he's
got a master. But their position

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is he hasn't been convicted of anything
yet. Uh huh. So their position

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about making sure the guys like al
Franklin had to go, their position about

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making sure that other people gotta go
to wait a minute, Al Frankin was

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a victim of the Woman's uprising that
had nothing to do with Republicans. Fine,

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you're gonna tell me that they are
not all for taking down Democratic people

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that haven't been convicted yet. You
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Who's the Republicans taken down? Okay, that's it. The Republicans don't take

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each other down anyway. Look,
they don't vote against the guys. Yeah,

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Republicans do take each other down.
They got rid of Bonnard, they

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got rid of oh who was the
guy that got in trouble for uh talking

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about Strong Thurman? Trent Lott.
No, yeah, they get rid of

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them all the time. They got
rid of Gainer. It show we're a

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book deal. Now this is this
is no no, no, no,

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no, no. That's different than
just seriously turning against people who could clearly

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make the party look bad. Trump
is sitting there with all these with all

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these indictments against him, has basically
convictions against his businesses and other things,

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showing you know, he's the only
one running the business. And by the

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way, his business got convicted malfeasan's
all over the place. Nope, this

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is just a political thing. That's
it. That's what they default to.

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political thing. All the stuff before.

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I said a long time ago,
when the Republicans went head over heels over

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Trump, they were showing their own
hypocrisy over the whole situation, right,

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Because but here's the thing. Anytime
there is a moral question over somebody's bad

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action, They're more than happy to
call for the resignation of a Democrat,

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but they don't call for resignation.
They don't call for resignations over something that's

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bad behavior. If somebody is impeding
their agenda, they will call for their

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resignation. Right. They got rid
of McCarthy because he was impeding the agenda

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gates with no backup plan. Nobody
put in his place, was like,

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get rid of them because he was
impeding his agenda. It wasn't. Now,

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if McCarthy was accused of, you
know, found with a dead intern

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and everything else, nobody would have
said boo. They would have been like,

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hey, wait till he's convicted.
Right, That's the attitude there Democrats

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though. The second something looks wrong, they want to kick people out.

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Uh no, your name one Democrat
kicked out by their party, by their

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party. Every Democrat that's resigned basically
has been kicked out by basically forced out.

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They sit there and they isolated.
It wasn't because the Democrats told him

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it was time to go. Look
at the race baters, you got in

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the squad Right now, with everything
that's going on and how nobody has said

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anything to condemn them or try even
when they had a censure against to leave,

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they let that one drop. It's
the demos. Democrats do not eat

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their own unless they can step up
to the next level of power. Well,

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like I said, but you want
to debate it, you don't watch

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what goes on in the chambers like
I do, then, because all day

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long I listened to Democrats attacking their
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hey, nope, not attacking their
own. That's all they do all day

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long, that's all they do.
It's it's democrats attack their own. What

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hearings are you listening to? Okay? Anyway? Many? Uh, you

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know? And what's What's the only
weird thing I saw recently which I don't

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understand at all is people attacking Christopher
Ray, who was appointed by Trump as

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some sort of like democratic operative,
even though he's a lifelong Republican. That's

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the only weird thing I've seen recently
where I'm like, why are they saying

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that he's the guy literally he's the
guy holding back the whole thing on Hunter

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Biden for partisan reasons when he's a
Republican and Trump is the guy who installed

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him. I I don't get that. But other than that. I usually

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don't see these guys attacking. I
really don't. They will go after they

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want to impeach everybody when they don't
like the job they're doing. They want

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to impeach people left and right,
you know, as long as they're on

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the other side. But they don't
want their own impeached. And that's what

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That's just the behavior pattern I see. Anyways, again, I don't go

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with the polls. I know,
and maybe I do have a warped view

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of the world. Then fine,
whatever, don't care. Back to this

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partisan issue with the court, right, I do agree that it looks like

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you've got conservative judges based on their
careers, based on their public statements,

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based on their own writings. Looks
to me like the majority of the people

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on the court would go on the
conservative side of things if given a chance.

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So, but what's interesting here is
this issue that's currently being discussed,

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okay, which is effectively it's now
the base case. Is weird because I

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don't know all the details of the
base case. You were starting to tell

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me some stuff before we went to
air, which is interesting. But it's

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supposed to be based on this Texas
case, and there was a situation where

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they said that it was improper to
have taken away somebody's gun rights when they

408
00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:18.119
were on a temporary restraining order.
Now, I personally had experience with this

409
00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:22.519
where I had a temporary restraining order
issued against me a TRO in New Jersey,

410
00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:26.519
you know, allegedly for domestic violence. It was later on dropped.

411
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:30.319
I was never convicted of anything anything
like that. But fact is, my

412
00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:34.640
soon to be ex wife issued a
temporary restraining order, which, by the

413
00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:38.720
way, I had a counter temporary
restraining order against there. Okay, but

414
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:45.680
there was no weapons involved in my
restraining order, she stated, because they

415
00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:51.759
ask when they create these tros,
does this person have any weapons? Because

416
00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:55.839
there is a federal Now I'm not
sure if it's a law or if it's

417
00:28:55.880 --> 00:28:59.799
a statute, or if it's just
like a rule, but there is a

418
00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:06.480
federal something in place that automatically says
if someone is accused of domestic violence,

419
00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:11.000
even if a temporary restraining order,
which is an emergency order put in place,

420
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:12.400
like you don't actually have to have
a full on hearing, you don't

421
00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:17.000
have to offer evidence. Nobody's convicted
of anything. It's supposed to be an

422
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:22.319
emergency procedure. To protect someone who
is alleging that they are a victim of

423
00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:26.160
domestic violence, right, the idea
being, Hey, look, if I

424
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:27.240
throw this person out of my house, they're going to come back and kill

425
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:30.440
me. So I need something where
if they even come near the house,

426
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:33.799
I need them arrested pretty much.
Or if they come to my job to

427
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:37.960
harass me, I need them arrested. So temporary restraining order. It makes

428
00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:41.599
sense when it comes to defending somebody
who is a victim of domestic violence.

429
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:47.039
I'll go with that. But here's
the thing. When you are accused in

430
00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:51.920
that situation, one of the things
that automatically happens, and you know,

431
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:55.079
even though there's been a lot of
debates about this, is that you're supposed

432
00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:59.599
to even if you are lawfully armed, you know, even in your state,

433
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:03.240
depending on what you're licensing is I
don't care hunting rifles. Most times,

434
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:10.839
automatically they request you surrender your weapons. Okay, So when you're issued

435
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:14.279
your tro they come and they give
you your copy and inform you don't come

436
00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:18.599
within one hundred feet fifty feet whatever
it is of this person, their home,

437
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:19.759
their job, Da da da da
da, you know, and then

438
00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:23.160
they give you the details. If
they have children, don't go near their

439
00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:27.279
children. They might include other family
members might be attached to it. Okay,

440
00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:30.799
So that you, until this can
be taken care of in court,

441
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:36.039
cannot go near this person or people
connected to them or places connected to them.

442
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:41.319
Okay, and my tracking pretty well
so far. BP. Okay,

443
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:47.839
So the thing is with that in
my circumstance, I had cops, you

444
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:52.200
know. Actually it was the county
sheriffs came to deliver the TRORO to me,

445
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:55.119
because it's issued by a county court
in New Jersey. Now, it

446
00:30:55.119 --> 00:31:00.319
may differ a little bit locally for
you wherever you the listener are is right,

447
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:03.680
individual is all right? Anyways,
it may differ a little, but

448
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:07.240
for me, the county issued it. So the county sheriff comes and says,

449
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:11.119
look, you got to surrender your
stuff. Don't go near your wife.

450
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:15.640
Don't go near the home you were
living into up until a couple hours

451
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.039
ago. Don't go near the home
you were living into, the home you

452
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:22.920
were living in until a couple of
hours ago. Don't go near her job,

453
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:26.519
don't go near her friends. You
know whatever. Okay, But also,

454
00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:29.559
sir, you need to give us
your guns. Now. The problem

455
00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:33.440
for me in two thousand and four
when this happened, is that I didn't

456
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:37.559
have any guns, okay, And
I told them, well, I don't

457
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:42.599
have any weapons, so no problem
there. Now they ask questions, and

458
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:47.559
so they asked her does he have
any weapons? And I imagine, if

459
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:51.079
there is no idea that you have
any sort of weapon and nobody says you

460
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:55.440
have any weapons, maybe they don't
ask. I don't know because she alleged

461
00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:57.720
I had weapons, and I said, well, that's silly, because first

462
00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:01.680
of all, everything I own is
in that house where she lives. And

463
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:05.680
secondly, because I was at my
friend's house. You know, she had

464
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:07.480
me removed from the property by the
cops and I was just letting it cool

465
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:13.359
off. But you know, here
we go. I'm removed from the property,

466
00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:16.480
so anything I own is over in
her home that you're telling me.

467
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:21.680
I can't go anywhere near number one. Number two. I don't actually own

468
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:25.480
any firearms at this moment, so
I can't surrender to you what I don't

469
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:30.799
have. Would you like my pocket
knives? To which they said no,

470
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:36.160
But there you go. So anyway, this is very typical, though this

471
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:39.039
happens to a lot of people.
When a temporary restraining order is issued against

472
00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:44.160
them because there's an accusation that you
harassed them, or you were violent toward

473
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:46.359
them, or you threatened them or
whatever else, you can get one of

474
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:50.759
these orders issued. Okay, And
it does work both ways. But typically

475
00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:53.319
I would say, I think women
probably get them more against men than anything.

476
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:58.119
But you know, look same sex, hey, look equal opportunity.

477
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:01.480
I imagine there's domestic violence in same
sex, transgender, you name it,

478
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:05.839
so it doesn't really matter what the
gender is. But the majority I would

479
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:08.920
think is, you know, men
being told stay away from women. But

480
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:12.720
you know, I could be wrong. Maybe I should look at some statistics

481
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:16.519
there. Anyways, whatever it is. Now, the thing here is that

482
00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:21.680
that was done in this case with
this guy, And if you don't read

483
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:24.119
into what the case was, it
seems as though he was accused of some

484
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:30.200
sort of domestic violence. A temporary
restraining order was issued and they wanted his

485
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:35.880
guns. Now, he went to
a a higher court, a circuit court

486
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:38.920
somewhere, another federal court and got
them to agree that this was wrong to

487
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:45.279
violate his constitutional rights with this federal
again, is it a laws of statute,

488
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:51.200
this procedure that basically automatically assures that
you get you know, you have

489
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:54.400
to surrender your weapons if accused of
domestic violence. Accused of domestic violence,

490
00:33:54.400 --> 00:34:00.480
by the way, not necessarily convicted. Accused of domestic violence. We're under

491
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:06.039
a temporary restraining order. This is
almost an automatic. You lose your right

492
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:14.639
to legally own firearms temporarily supposed to
be. Now, is this not all

493
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:20.000
what you understand? BPTE? Or
am I out of line here? Well?

494
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:22.760
In reference to this case, well, in reference to this case or

495
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:27.119
any case in general. I've made
general statements here and also talked about this

496
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:30.440
case. Good. No, I
mean the procees are on the restrained order

497
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:35.440
and everything is very similar in this
state too. But just to you asked

498
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:37.719
a question whether you didn't know if
it was a law or a rule or

499
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:44.079
it's actually a It's in the US
Code, so it's a regulation. Okay,

500
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:49.440
Yeah, it's eighteen USC. Nine
twenty two GS, which prohibits the

501
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:53.719
possession of firearms by persons subject to
domestic violence restraining orders. There you go,

502
00:34:54.639 --> 00:35:00.639
and I bet there's more than one
of those situation. But it's a

503
00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:05.679
regulation. So what would we call
that a rule? A it's not a

504
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:09.320
law. Because it wasn't you know, I don't think it's been signed in

505
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:13.440
the law exactly that thing. It's
like, there's no no, it's it's

506
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:17.480
based on whatever the law is.
It's a rule written to interpret that law.

507
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:24.639
So it's it's a US code,
it's a it's it's a portion of

508
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:30.840
the law. Like the Domestic Violence
Act is a law. You know that

509
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:35.800
that act was passed and signed,
and this was a section of that.

510
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:39.119
So when you pass a law,
then you've got to write the regulations that

511
00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:45.400
interpret the law and how it's applied. And that's what this is. Whatever

512
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:50.960
section of that law. This covers
that section and says that it is illegal

513
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:54.719
to possess a firearm if you are
subject to a restraining domestic violence worker.

514
00:35:57.159 --> 00:36:01.159
So that's where it stands. And
now this is going to the the Scotus,

515
00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:07.199
and I have to point out there
is a difference because you can get

516
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:14.480
a restraining order against someone and it
not be a domestic violence order. That's

517
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:17.360
the difference here. This was a
domestic violence order. True, well,

518
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:21.599
as I said before, it could
be harassment and that doesn't have to be

519
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:27.840
a domestic violence situation. If you
were say harassing somebody and they wanted you

520
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:31.280
to stop. Like, okay,
in the case of somebody either being stalked

521
00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:35.400
or somebody's threatening somebody at their job, this kind of thing, like I've

522
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:38.800
seen this where people work at restaurants
or whatever, and somebody keeps coming into

523
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:43.519
the restaurant, you know, threatening
the person who's working there and this and

524
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:45.519
that. Now you call the cops, you get an incident, and then

525
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:49.599
you get a temporary restraining order to
go before a judge to try and get

526
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:52.440
a permanent one because this person is
coming in and threatening violence. Now it's

527
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:54.880
got nothing to do with a domestic
situation. You don't live with them,

528
00:36:54.880 --> 00:37:00.920
you don't really even know them.
But somebody tries to harass you could be

529
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:06.360
you could get a restraining order against
them, right yeah. If somebody's repeatedly

530
00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:12.679
calling you and sending you crazy notes
and whatever, you can get a restraining

531
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:19.519
order against them for what is it
electronic harassment, So a harassment, a

532
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:24.599
threat or domestic violence situation. Now
in this case, this was domestic violence

533
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:30.440
a thing though, right yeah,
it was okay, so but so again

534
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:32.880
it does apply to the little story
I told and I asked you about.

535
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:36.000
You know, look, this is
the way this goes, I get it.

536
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:39.239
But again it's about the accusation.
This doesn't even necessarily mean somebody has

537
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:45.760
been convicted. Now that's another issue
too, because frankly, there's a lot

538
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:49.440
of people who think one way or
the other whether if somebody has been convicted

539
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:52.360
of a felony or not. I
know, a lot of felons end up,

540
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:57.079
you know, getting pinched a second
time when they just have possession of

541
00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:00.840
a firearm, because a lot of
felons are disqualiy fired from owning firearms.

542
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:05.960
Right, But that's in the case
of where somebody's been convicted, not just

543
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:09.920
accused, but convicted of something.
Yeah, this one's got a little different

544
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:17.400
twist to it because he was convicted
of possessing a gun right while subject to

545
00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:24.840
a domestic violence protective order issued after
he violently assaulted his domestic partner in a

546
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:31.679
parking lot and shot a gun when
another end of when he realized that there

547
00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:35.880
were witnesses to what he did,
he shot the gun in the air,

548
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:43.159
so he was menacing other people with
it. So it's not like he got

549
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:50.159
the domestic violence order because of this
domestic violence incident. And then after that

550
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:58.039
he was also charged with several other
instances of discharging the weapon. He didn't

551
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:01.719
shoot anybody, but he would either
shoot in the air or pull the gun

552
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:07.239
out and you know, commit assault
by pointing at someone, but he didn't

553
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:14.159
shoot him. So this one's got
a little bit of a twist because he's

554
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:19.920
arguing when he argued to the Circuit
court, he said, the fact that

555
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:27.159
I was under the domestic violence order
should not infringe on my Second Amendment rights.

556
00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:31.280
But the ACLU is going after this. I'm looking at their brief in

557
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:39.880
here, and their argument is is
that the law only applies to reasonable individuals,

558
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:49.039
law abiding individuals. So they're asking
the Supreme Court to rule against the

559
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:55.800
overturning of this on a narrow grounds
that this guy was not he wasn't considered

560
00:39:55.920 --> 00:40:00.039
dangerous, but I mean, no
Core sat there and said, this is

561
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:05.559
a violent individual that needs to be
you know, put away because he is

562
00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:10.639
a violent individual. They're claiming that
this is only the right to keep that

563
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:15.199
gun, regardless of the restraining order, is only to law abiding, responsible

564
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:22.400
citizens. So it's coming down to
a definition now, and they're reaching to

565
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:30.000
try to apply that to this decision. So the Supreme Court started asking some

566
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:34.679
questions, you know, are you
using this word, are you saying responsible

567
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:40.039
meaning law abiding? Or they're really
getting into the specifics on this because now

568
00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:45.360
they're starting to go out into the
nether region on whether how do you determine

569
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:49.760
if someone is law abiding? Well, they haven't broken the law yet,

570
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:54.239
and how are they? How do
you determine responsible? These were two terms

571
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:59.840
that were used in an earlier case
that was argued by the Supreme Court,

572
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:02.119
and they decided that you had the
right. I think it was the rule

573
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:09.840
where you had a right that certain
weapons constituted arms and therefore you couldn't exclude

574
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:14.880
them. I forget all the particulars
of it, but they said, well,

575
00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:19.039
you know, for a law abiding, responsible citizen, And the court

576
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:23.480
is saying those were words that described
two of the plaintiffs in the case.

577
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:35.079
It wasn't a determination of qualification for
anybody that would be in a case.

578
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:39.039
So they're really getting down to knit
and pick on this one. I find

579
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:44.719
it strange though, that the guy
is under a domestic violence order, and

580
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:51.880
in that case that got him put
under the domestic violence order, he discharged

581
00:41:51.920 --> 00:42:00.000
a weapon to intimidate somebody. So
does the fact that you're breaking a lay

582
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:05.800
all with the gun, nullify your
right to own it? Well, see

583
00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:09.000
that's look there you go right now. I would look at it and say,

584
00:42:09.159 --> 00:42:13.079
look, you make me the judge
for a minute. I would say,

585
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:16.239
look, domestic violence is one issue, to take it away from him,

586
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:21.639
But the other issue is he's discharging. He's accused of discharging a firearm

587
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:28.440
in a way that is improper.
Now, this is somebody who is dangerously

588
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:34.760
utilizing the firearm, Okay, therefore
endangering public safety. So in the name

589
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:37.880
of public safety, I say,
until we sort this out in court,

590
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:40.440
yeah, he loses his guns.
I mean, and look, and I

591
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:44.079
know that there are some people that
are absolutists who say, look, even

592
00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:46.440
the idea of law abiding citizen.
Hey, wait a minute, the constitution

593
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:52.159
doesn't say law abiding citizen, does
it? Well, And that's a key

594
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:57.920
aspect of this case because when the
temporary restrain in order was put in place,

595
00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:04.119
he had not been and convicted of
threatening the person with the gun and

596
00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:08.400
discharging it in the air, nor
had he been convicted of assault on his

597
00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:14.400
girlfriend yet. Right, So this
is where the argument comes in. Okay,

598
00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:19.079
can we It's almost like they're saying
the law should be able to predict

599
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:22.239
the future. Yeah, but nobody's
arguing that part. What I see so

600
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:28.960
far is that nobody's arguing about the
predictive programming here, nobody's arguing about the

601
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:31.880
pre crime aspect of it. Well, he wasn't convicted yet, because typically

602
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:37.960
in many situations, once you're charged
with something, or once it's been legally

603
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:42.199
entered into court, a lot of
times seizures will happen. Okay, which

604
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:45.800
you're meant to prevent any other problems
because you know, I mean, but

605
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:49.920
here we go. Right, Let's
just say the guy is accused of you

606
00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:52.599
know, massive grand theft, but
he didn't use a firearm in that action.

607
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:58.280
Does that mean he should surrender firearms? I would say no, because

608
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:00.480
he's only accused of a crime.
It's got nothing to do with the firearms.

609
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:04.679
But in this case, it's weird
to me that the s fitzer could

610
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:10.039
court overturned this because the firearm is
literally an issue in the incident. Well,

611
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:16.239
and that's where the Solicitor General for
the DOJAY is making this argument.

612
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:24.039
She based her argument on the idea
that Ramini or Rahemi, the guy involved,

613
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:30.320
isn't a responsible citizen since he was
not yet convicted of any crime when

614
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:37.480
a judge imposed a domestic violence restraining
order on him that prehimit him him from

615
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:40.800
owning a firearm. The funny thing
is, though, that since that was

616
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:46.719
put in place, he's been charged
with at least six shooting incidents in Texas

617
00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:52.639
during the time that he was not
supposed to have the gun. This guy

618
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:55.719
was on a rampage. Well,
see was fixed different charges. Well what's

619
00:44:55.760 --> 00:45:00.000
messed up is again you know,
having observed the courts in New Jersey.

620
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:04.679
See, I'll tell you this much. If you were given any leeway regarding

621
00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:07.119
this, okay, and somebody said, well, we can't take away the

622
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:09.280
guns, yes yet, because he
hasn't been convicted, and then you got

623
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:14.880
charged with two three more things,
a judge would issue a separate order where

624
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:16.840
he says, look for the for
the in the interest of public safety,

625
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:22.480
I want this guy's gun seized because
at the very least, let's take some

626
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:27.760
of his firearms away to reduce the
possibility of more of these things coming across.

627
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:31.280
I mean, he would literally have
his whole you know argument if he

628
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:34.840
tried to enter e motion with the
court. Hey, look, I shouldn't

629
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:37.559
have my guns taken away they would
dismiss that out of hand and say,

630
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:40.360
I'm not gonna bother to even argue
this. You keep getting charged, you're

631
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:45.360
out of here if you. Okay, somebody goes in and they have a

632
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:49.639
drug charge against them, right,
and you know they got a possession charge,

633
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:52.159
all right, so you haven't gone
to court for it yet, but

634
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:57.199
you've been charged with it. And
then you get caught with drugs again.

635
00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:00.719
Judges will turn around and toss out
any of your little motions to hey,

636
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:04.039
look, you know, I'm just
an addict and I need help. I

637
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:07.239
don't want to go to jail.
This and that, blah blah blah.

638
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:09.719
They'll throw all that crap out.
Anything that is merciful to you will go

639
00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:15.800
to hell out because you got busted
and you're still getting busted. And I'm

640
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:19.800
not saying I love the court system. I mean, believe me, I

641
00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:22.559
feel as though any time you walk
into a court, it's just a question

642
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:25.760
of how much you're going to lose, not if you're going to lose one

643
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:30.920
way or another, because unless you
have lots of lots of money, you

644
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:34.559
can't buy a good result in the
justice system. That's the way I feel

645
00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:37.679
about it. But here's the thing. I think it's reasonable if somebody is

646
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:43.280
turning around doing what you're describing here
and getting other gun charges while he's waiting

647
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:46.079
to even get this, you know, restraining order hurt. Yeah, I

648
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:51.920
think it should be the court that
says, look, this guy is apparently

649
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:54.639
having a little problem controlling himself with
a gun. Well take the guns.

650
00:46:54.840 --> 00:47:00.480
Yeah, I'm sorry. Here's the
I found. I found a store that's

651
00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:04.840
on the Baring Arms website and they
do a pretty good explanation of what the

652
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:07.840
argument from the DOJ is. Okay, and if you'll bear with me a

653
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:10.639
minute, I'll read through this.
It might make things a little clear as

654
00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:15.280
to where people think the argument's going. But you know, with this group

655
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:21.000
of justices, they may be asking
certain questions, but they can certainly go

656
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:23.599
in a different direction. And you
think they're going just based on the questions

657
00:47:23.599 --> 00:47:27.039
that they ask, well maybe so. And here's the weird thing though,

658
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:30.960
as I think that it's almost irrelevant
because when you consider what you brought up

659
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:32.000
to begin with. And by the
way, we're gonna wind up running over

660
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:36.280
an hour here. Just so you
know, I want to talk to you

661
00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:38.480
after the show a little bit,
and I do have another recording to do

662
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:44.320
at ten o'clock, but the thing
is just giving you that heads up and

663
00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:46.480
so we'll take as much time as
you want. But here's the thing about

664
00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:51.360
this. To me, it seems
crazy that this is even a consideration because

665
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:54.320
there's a whole lot of other things
going on here to where I don't know

666
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:59.039
why the Fifth Circuit even found it
necessary. I mean, look, I

667
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:04.360
get trying to adhere to the Constitution, absolutely, but at a certain point,

668
00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:07.199
right, you can commit certain actions, you can cause certain things to

669
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:13.960
occur that make you surrender some of
your constitutional rights. Okay, for instance,

670
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:17.119
getting convicted of a felony, your
constitutional rights are gone. Even if

671
00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:20.719
you serve your time and you're done
and you come out, you might not

672
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:24.559
in most places be able to vote, etc. Right, you can't be

673
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:29.920
bonded anymore. There's a whole lot
of things that you've become restricted from once

674
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:35.800
you're a convicted felon because you surrender
some of your constitutional abilities. Here's a

675
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:38.119
good for instance, you get out
on parole. You've been granted your freedom,

676
00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:42.440
but you can't leave the state you
live in because your travels restricted.

677
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:46.639
Now that's completely unconstitutional, except that
you are convicted of a crime. So

678
00:48:47.719 --> 00:48:57.239
if somebody is temporarily given an injunction
against being able to enjoy their constitutional rights,

679
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:00.960
I think that that's kind of necessary. It's almost like being arrested in

680
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:05.480
slow motion. And in the rest
of the real world, I would think

681
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:08.519
that, you know, in a
fair and reasonable justice system, that would

682
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:12.400
make sense. But there are some
people that are screaming, Nope, absolutely

683
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:15.559
not. This guy's gun should have
have been taken away from him. Nope.

684
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:17.760
You know what, it doesn't apply
to law abiding citizens. The Constitution

685
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:21.960
doesn't say it, and I get
it, but I want to hear what

686
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:27.320
the arguments are here. And again, well we'll leave it. We'll leave

687
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:30.599
it to the judgment of the listener
here. But to me, this is

688
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:35.519
one of those crazy things and it's
just funny that it boils down to let's

689
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:37.920
see what the partisans will say here. I don't think this is a partisan

690
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:42.320
issue. I think this is a
matter of look, does the system work

691
00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:45.360
and can we make it work better? And what is the best interest of

692
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:51.159
public safety since allegedly that's what these
people should be engaged in, right,

693
00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:57.320
the best circumstance for public safety altogether, and the individual's rights should both be

694
00:49:57.400 --> 00:50:04.199
equally respected, and unfortunately, in
many situations you can't possibly respect both because

695
00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:08.079
some people will take actions that do
not allow you to do so. Okay,

696
00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:12.920
I think some people make their own
bad circumstances, but maybe I'm wrong

697
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:15.800
about all that. I kind of
stand on the side of which is weird.

698
00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:20.239
Law enforcement being able to take away
your guns if you are repeatedly getting

699
00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:25.199
charged with stuff that shows you're not
a responsible gun owner. Not saying that

700
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:29.360
that's what the constitution says. I'm
saying that, in the interest of public

701
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:32.239
safety, you might surrender a constitutional
right because you don't know how to behave

702
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:37.760
I think that is possible. I
don't think it should be done based on

703
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:40.480
pre crime. I don't think the
situation should be permanent. I think you

704
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:44.239
should get to go to court and
make your case and see if you know.

705
00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:46.320
Look, if the guy is not
convicted of the violent act, if

706
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:50.360
nobody finds that he did anything wrong
with a gun, give him his guns

707
00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:54.199
back. But if he did,
he may have surrendered his right. And

708
00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:58.559
I believe we can do it.
And the argument is coming down to how

709
00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:07.599
the government can determine what is They
can't set broad arbitrary of capricious terms for

710
00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:14.000
determining whether someone is non law abiding
or irresponsible. And that's what I mean,

711
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:21.840
that's the whole argument based on this
uh breakdown here were last thing,

712
00:51:21.880 --> 00:51:25.440
real fast, irresponsible is way too
open a term. How do you determine

713
00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:31.679
responsible and irresponsible? That's kind of
subject to interpretation. If you want to

714
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:35.639
say law abiding, then you would
say, well, does that mean somebody

715
00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:44.199
who's convicted? And again if they're
temporarily charged sometimes in all restriction. Que

716
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:52.440
Roberts asked the Solicitor General if she
was using the word responsible as a synonym

717
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:59.039
for dangerous, and she agreed.
She said, the question then becomes how

718
00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:02.719
to define danger riskness as well as
who actually determines that, And according to

719
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:07.599
the Solicitor General, they said,
the legislator Brandis has the primary authority to

720
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:13.519
do so and invested with almost unchecked
power to define it as broadly or narrowly

721
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:16.199
as they see fit. And that's
what the argument is coming down to,

722
00:52:16.760 --> 00:52:23.639
because if that's the case, then
the legislature could make some hard to define

723
00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:30.559
description of people who should be denied
their rights, and it would be its

724
00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:36.639
end run around the Second Amendment.
Because we can label you this, even

725
00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:39.639
though that may not be the case. But if we label you that,

726
00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:44.719
then we can do whatever we want
and take away not only your Second Amendment

727
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:46.920
rights, but we can expand it
and take away other rights as well.

728
00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:52.480
And that's what the argument is coming
down to on this one is if the

729
00:52:52.599 --> 00:53:00.000
legislature can, if the legislature has
the power to place a poorly defined,

730
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:05.440
wide sweeping law in place, well, okay, but here's the biggest problem

731
00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:07.559
with it is that, Okay,
we let to let the legislature determine it.

732
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:12.480
And somebody might say that's an adequate
solution. Here's the bigger problem in

733
00:53:12.519 --> 00:53:16.960
my mind is that the legislature turns
around and uses terms like in good standing.

734
00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:22.400
Okay, if you are blah blah
blah in goods I've seen that that

735
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:27.519
phrase, right, that partial phrase
used. What in the hell is in

736
00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:31.360
good standing? Is that not subject
to interpretation? Okay? Do you need

737
00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:36.400
to have a record of your good
standing to prove good standing? Or is

738
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:39.599
lack of poor standing good enough to
say that you're in good standing? You

739
00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:44.400
know what I'm saying? Like legally, when when they do this whole thing

740
00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:47.920
with adoption, this is how people
get qualified for and disqualified for adoption by

741
00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:52.800
different state agencies. Is they have
this that phrases like that built into it,

742
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:55.159
right, where it's like, well
they need to be this and this

743
00:53:55.199 --> 00:54:00.199
and this in good standing in order
for you to be able to get this

744
00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:02.719
or that, you need to be
in good standing. Well what the hell

745
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:06.960
does that mean? You know?
Does that mean no problems? Then why

746
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:10.840
not just say you have to have
no negative charges against you, you have

747
00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:15.719
to have no negative criminal record,
Like that's more specific than this in good

748
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:22.880
standing crap, And legislatures love to
put language into things like that, which

749
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:28.760
allows it to be open for interpretation, where where in sometimes I've seen exactly

750
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:32.280
the same circumstance, you know,
by two different individuals, and for whatever

751
00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:37.920
reason, you'll have completely different results
given right, So if they say that

752
00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:42.360
somebody is in good standing when it
comes to you know, somebody being qualified

753
00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:45.800
to not have their constitutional right taken
from them, well, what in the

754
00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:50.960
hell is in good standing? You
see? Anyway, Look, I'll leave

755
00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:53.159
it alone and let you explain from
here on out. But I just wanted

756
00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:58.239
to get to that because it's like, to me, I get the argument

757
00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:00.679
of well is this and then run
around the Second Amendment. Well, it

758
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:07.039
kind of is. But doesn't that
happen When you are in a case where

759
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:10.159
you get convicted of something, you'll
have things like I mean, there's plenty

760
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:14.880
of people that are convicted felons.
They're not allowed to own guns, and

761
00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:19.280
they might have been convicted of things
that do not even involve guns. There

762
00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:23.880
are people that have had dwy's right
and they end up causing an accident.

763
00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:28.440
They wind up with it with a
felony charge because of the DWI, which

764
00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:31.920
leads to some damage that ends up
being a felony blah blah, And they'll

765
00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:36.320
take away their ability to own a
gun even though it's got nothing to do

766
00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:40.960
with them driving a car drunk,
right, And most times they don't win

767
00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:44.400
those arguments. I mean they've tried
to bring them up. Hey, look,

768
00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:45.599
just because I'm a drunk and I'll
get in a car, doesn't mean

769
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:51.119
I should lose my right to own
a gun, Okay. And you can

770
00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:52.920
stand on that any which way you
want, not you beat people to anybody

771
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:55.719
listening. You can stand on it
any which way you want. But this

772
00:55:55.800 --> 00:56:00.679
is an interesting point because you know, well, yeah, at which point

773
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:06.400
do you lose your constitutional right?
Which you know, some things almost anybody

774
00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:12.840
would agree you can be disqualified by
your actions one way or another from having

775
00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:16.760
all your constitutional rights intact. That
can happen. So where does it happen.

776
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:21.039
I think that's the ultimate question.
But go ahead and go through those

777
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:24.280
arguments if you like, and you
know, we'll close this out a little

778
00:56:24.280 --> 00:56:28.159
bit after the hour, you know, maybe quarter after something like that,

779
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:30.840
wherever it's appropriate, unless you want
to take a break before we go into

780
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:36.000
the reading of this. No,
I mean, it's really not that much

781
00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:37.920
to read. I mean, I
pretty much gave you the most of it.

782
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:42.880
It's just that it gets me that
the ACLU, someone who's there just

783
00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:49.920
supposed to protect an individual's right,
you know, your civil liberty, which

784
00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:57.119
is what you're allowed to do based
on the Constitution. They're arguing pretty much

785
00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:06.519
that the legislature should be able to
enact anything any arbitrary or capricious rule because

786
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:14.199
domestic violence orders, restraining orders,
or domestic violence orders resulting in loss of

787
00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:21.679
gun ownership temporarily because it is a
temporary thing. But they say that it's

788
00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:28.639
such a tool in helping with combat
domestic violence and lessen the severity of the

789
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:34.320
problem. And I can understand that, but they're basically telling the court that,

790
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:37.440
yes, you should be able to
They want to stick to that law

791
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:45.159
abiding, reasonable citizen, and that's
you know, that's a definition that can

792
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:52.280
be you know, you can define
that a thousand ways. It's nothing concrete.

793
00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:57.719
Now, we have rules on the
books for felons possessing firearms and things

794
00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:00.519
of that nature, and the courts
in the past have said that, yes,

795
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:07.000
there are certain things a felon denied. His right to have a possession

796
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:13.679
of a firearm is legitimate because they
have shown the ability to commit a serious

797
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:19.280
crime, and therefore they can have
that right taken away from them. But

798
00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:25.320
in this case, they're arguing that
no conviction was there, which and this

799
00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:30.280
case is ridiculous because the domestic violence
order was issued because this is what the

800
00:58:30.320 --> 00:58:35.760
guy did. It was issued after
he was convicted of this stuff. That's

801
00:58:35.800 --> 00:58:39.360
what kills me. So I'm trying
to understand how this one even got to

802
00:58:39.440 --> 00:58:44.079
the court, the Fifth Circuit flipping
it saying, oh, wait, you

803
00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:45.960
know, this guy has a Second
Amendment right, you can't infringe on it.

804
00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:51.440
I'm sitting here thinking, well,
in this case, maybe you can,

805
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:55.000
because it was issued after the initial
violence. Well, see, that's

806
00:58:55.000 --> 00:59:00.679
the thing. That's why I don't
understand why I got flipped. Because look,

807
00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:02.480
if it's a case of a guy
smacked his girlfriend in the face,

808
00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:07.840
all right, and that's what the
temporary restraining order was being issued over,

809
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:10.400
and then they're taking away his guns, there are people that would argue because

810
00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:15.239
he's violent, he shouldn't have his
guns period, right, he was willing

811
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:17.719
to use violence, take away his
guns. Now, I don't necessarily agree

812
00:59:17.719 --> 00:59:22.519
with that. I don't think that's
right. But in a case where you

813
00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:27.920
got a guy utilizing a firearm in
the inciting incident, here, I'm saying

814
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:31.039
to myself, it almost seems logical, preventative, prophylactic in fact, to

815
00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:37.199
take away this guy's weapons. I
get it. Not saying it absolutely abides

816
00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:43.000
by the constitution though, See,
but because nowhere in the Constitution doesn't say,

817
00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:46.239
well, you know, we can
take this away if you know you're

818
00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:51.079
not in good standing right or something. It doesn't say that. It doesn't

819
00:59:51.079 --> 00:59:53.400
say if you're accused of a crime, you surrender things. None of that

820
00:59:53.519 --> 00:59:58.280
is there in the Constitution. But
it does seem to have a logic to

821
00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:01.400
it that I can understand. So
I get where. And it's so weird

822
01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:06.960
looking at the ACLU taking a stance
on this at all, because it seems

823
01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:10.920
to me like they're against the idea
of being absolutists about the Constitution, and

824
01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:15.719
I thought that used to be their
primary goal when it came to freedom of

825
01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:17.320
speech. This is you know,
they would always point out, this is

826
01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:22.760
why we're a liberal organization defending Nazis
right, because as despicable and horrible as

827
01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:27.559
we think they are, they have
a right to their free speech. But

828
01:00:27.599 --> 01:00:30.639
if you're a despicable, horrible person
who you know, committed domestic violence,

829
01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:36.679
you're not necessarily entitled to all your
constitutional rights. Well. True, but

830
01:00:36.920 --> 01:00:45.360
in this case to what they're worried
about is the anti gun lobby having an

831
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:52.840
opening to argue that even a traffic
ticket is enough to prove that you're too

832
01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:55.559
dangerous to own a gun. Yeah, and which is stupid and that well,

833
01:00:55.599 --> 01:00:59.400
but that's what they're afraid of,
that, you know, giving the

834
01:00:59.480 --> 01:01:04.960
legislation through the ability to to put
something out there that says ambiguous is that

835
01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:07.800
you know, oh, well he
had a traffic ticket for what, Well

836
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:10.519
he did thirty five and a twenty
Nope, can't have a gun. That's

837
01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:15.079
what they're worried about happening. And
if it happens in this case, then

838
01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:20.039
it can happen to a lot of
other rights. Hey, the guy got

839
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:23.559
a traffic ticket, he shouldn't be
allowed to join this organization, or he

840
01:01:23.559 --> 01:01:29.599
shouldn't be able to allowed to associate
with these people, or you know,

841
01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:34.000
your freedom to roam the earth.
There's pretty much something that is kind of

842
01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:37.320
hard to take away from you unless
they can put you in prison. And

843
01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:42.119
they're worried about these these rules being
written so vaguely that oh, traffic ticket,

844
01:01:42.119 --> 01:01:45.440
Nope, can't own a gun.
Well, it's crazy. So given

845
01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:53.519
in the past that certain organizations have
lobbied to try to have things written as

846
01:01:53.559 --> 01:02:01.000
ambiguously as possible so that they can
use it as a as a club to

847
01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:07.800
go after people. That's like,
well, right, it's like it's like

848
01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:14.440
arresting people for possession of unregistered guns
fills the jails up with people who really

849
01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:16.920
shouldn't be there. You know,
if the Second Amendment says that you have

850
01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:21.199
a right to own a gun,
why do you have to register it?

851
01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:25.280
Registering it simply tells the government who's
got them. So if they want to

852
01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:29.880
go get them. They got a
handy list right there, people with gun

853
01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:35.039
licenses. I'll get them. But
in this case, yeah, So in

854
01:02:35.079 --> 01:02:40.519
this case, you know, if
you if you have a right to own

855
01:02:40.599 --> 01:02:45.880
it, you shouldn't have to register
it. So are we going to start

856
01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:50.800
seeing those arguments. It's just like
the concealed carry. You've got some states

857
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:52.920
now that have determined that you do
not have to have a permit for concealed

858
01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:58.239
carry because the Second Amendment says you
have the right to bear it doesn't say

859
01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:00.320
you don't have the right to bear
it under your jack. It doesn't have

860
01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:02.880
to be open carry. You should
not have to have a permit to bear

861
01:03:02.920 --> 01:03:07.440
an arm wherever you decide to bear
it. If you want to put it

862
01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:09.199
in your pocket, it should be
able to No, I got you.

863
01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:14.719
And these are well and these are
the type of arguments that something like this

864
01:03:14.760 --> 01:03:21.920
would bring about if they decide to
overturn this and say, yes, we're

865
01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:25.920
going to go with the responsible and
uh or what was the other word,

866
01:03:29.719 --> 01:03:34.239
crap, not dangerous. We're going
to go with those definitions, you know,

867
01:03:34.440 --> 01:03:39.039
law binding and responsible right. That
will now be the determining factor.

868
01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:44.800
I can of worms well, yeah, and absolutely. Look, but this

869
01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:47.880
is not unlike actions in the past
though, because there are people that get

870
01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:54.079
convicted of or even get you know, arrested for possession of too much pot

871
01:03:54.280 --> 01:03:58.840
okay, too much weed, right, this happens. And if you get

872
01:03:58.840 --> 01:04:00.360
a certain amount of weed, that
turn around and say, well, we're

873
01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:05.280
gonna hit you with you know,
distribute distribution. You're looking to distribute this

874
01:04:05.320 --> 01:04:11.320
because you have a certain amount that
might raise a misdemeanor charge to a felony

875
01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:15.400
charge. And while you're awaiting trial
on that felony charge, they turn around

876
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:18.360
and take away your guns. Now, that's got nothing to do with your

877
01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:20.719
guns. The fact that you had
a big old bag of pot. Does

878
01:04:20.719 --> 01:04:26.119
it? Or does it? You
know what I'm saying. And there's plenty

879
01:04:26.159 --> 01:04:28.840
of people that would say, Nope, they're criminals, so therefore screw them.

880
01:04:29.639 --> 01:04:32.599
I happened to know a guy that
got arrested somebody narked on him,

881
01:04:32.679 --> 01:04:36.559
okay, and he had sold them
I want to say, it was less

882
01:04:36.559 --> 01:04:42.039
than an ounce And when they showed
up at his place, he had done

883
01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:45.199
a lot of trading of weapons and
people would come to him, Hey,

884
01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:47.360
you know, I got to make
this bill. I've got a pistol I

885
01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:53.280
can sell you. They took over
twenty five it was over twenty five firearms

886
01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:58.400
out of his house. And when
they busted him, they also caught him

887
01:04:58.559 --> 01:05:03.079
with a non tax paid liquor still
and he was producing liquor. The funny

888
01:05:03.079 --> 01:05:05.840
thing is when it went to court, it was all federal charges and it

889
01:05:05.920 --> 01:05:12.679
was felonies. They nailed him for
the possession and distribution. They banned him

890
01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:15.679
from owning weapons. He can't even
own a hunting rifle to feed himself.

891
01:05:16.960 --> 01:05:25.239
But they didn't charge him with bootlegging
and non non tax paid liquor possession.

892
01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:29.679
So when he got done with it, he asked his lawyer. He says,

893
01:05:29.679 --> 01:05:31.719
all right, so okay, I'm
out. I did I did you

894
01:05:31.719 --> 01:05:34.880
know my thirty days? What can
I what can I can? What can

895
01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:38.599
I do? And the guy looked
at him and he just said, look,

896
01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:41.000
you can't own a weapon, not
even a hunting rifle. Are you

897
01:05:41.079 --> 01:05:44.199
gonna go hunting? You're gonna have
to use a bowl and harrow, he

898
01:05:44.360 --> 01:05:47.920
said. He said, of course, can't have any any drugs on your

899
01:05:47.920 --> 01:05:53.800
possession or in your house or distribute. He says, but you can go

900
01:05:53.880 --> 01:05:57.360
back to making liquor. They didn't
charge you with that. So that's how

901
01:05:57.400 --> 01:06:00.880
the guy paid off all his fines
and legal fees. He cranked his still

902
01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:04.800
back up. Now, what's funny
hilarious that that is hilarious. And I'll

903
01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:10.280
tell you what's really funny about that
is the only reason why the prosecutor didn't

904
01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:13.760
nail him on it is because probably
he wasn't trained well enough, because I

905
01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:16.480
mean, that's a simple taxation issue, right, I mean, they usually

906
01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:19.679
nail you on that. That that's
just it's more complex, it's a little

907
01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:24.320
more different. Yeah, that's a
that's a slam dunk for the tax department,

908
01:06:24.760 --> 01:06:28.280
for the untay taxes, untaye taxes
on your liquor. It's really easy.

909
01:06:28.360 --> 01:06:30.840
You get you get the tax lawyer
to come in and be like,

910
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:32.760
yeah, this is violation of this, this and this, and therefore he

911
01:06:32.840 --> 01:06:36.639
oweses this much money and he's committed
a crime by not paying us. And

912
01:06:36.920 --> 01:06:40.679
that's it that. I mean,
look, how did they how did they

913
01:06:40.719 --> 01:06:45.960
take down capone? Finally taxes?
You know why, because it's it's you

914
01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:50.960
can't even fight them, Well an
thing you have taken in consideration too.

915
01:06:51.079 --> 01:06:54.480
And I don't know if this is
part of the issue when it comes to

916
01:06:54.559 --> 01:06:57.800
drugs, you know, getting a
drug conviction and losing your right to have

917
01:06:57.880 --> 01:07:03.599
weapons and all that. There is
so much weapon use in connection with drugs.

918
01:07:04.360 --> 01:07:10.559
Yet, you know, can you
argue that it's a direct result of

919
01:07:10.599 --> 01:07:15.639
the illicit drug trade? Is the
violence, gun and death and everything connected

920
01:07:15.679 --> 01:07:18.440
to it? Does that give you
a right? Yeah, you know,

921
01:07:18.480 --> 01:07:24.880
there's a difference. There's a difference
between moving I don't know, two hundred

922
01:07:24.920 --> 01:07:29.280
pounds of fentanyl and two hundred pounds
pot. Yeah, no, fair enough,

923
01:07:29.320 --> 01:07:32.239
But look, the gun is not
an issue unless the gun was part

924
01:07:32.280 --> 01:07:36.440
of the crime. And seriously so, unless you can directly prove that it

925
01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:42.760
was used, then that's just stupid
because look again, bottom line problem here

926
01:07:43.199 --> 01:07:45.079
even with drugs, by the way, it's basically when you look deep into

927
01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:48.199
the federal thing on it, it's
about the taxes. Again. You know,

928
01:07:48.280 --> 01:07:53.159
you were selling something that you couldn't
pay taxes on because you're not allowed

929
01:07:53.199 --> 01:07:57.159
to. Yeah, that's the whole
drug industry is based on that. Yeah,

930
01:07:57.239 --> 01:08:00.480
you can do drugs as long as
they're our drugs. Yeah, and

931
01:08:00.559 --> 01:08:01.840
we get our cut. As long
as we don't get our cut. It's

932
01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:05.559
an illegal drug, right if somebody's
paying taxes on that drug guarantee you you

933
01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:09.400
can find a way to legally have
it, consume it, whatever, And

934
01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:12.159
then your problem might be you didn't
have a license to sell it. All

935
01:08:12.239 --> 01:08:15.239
right, that's your problem. But
here's the thing about the gun issue.

936
01:08:15.600 --> 01:08:19.239
Just because somebody's convicted of one crime, you can't just logically say, well,

937
01:08:19.279 --> 01:08:24.760
this normally goes along with this,
you know what I mean. You

938
01:08:24.800 --> 01:08:27.720
can't just attach it. You got
to prove specifics, right, You got

939
01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:30.920
to specifically prove. You can't just
make an assumption that well, since you're

940
01:08:30.920 --> 01:08:33.880
a drug dealer on a certain level, then automatically you have to use a

941
01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:36.600
gun. Not every drug dealer you
have. But well, but that's just

942
01:08:36.680 --> 01:08:42.279
it. Though, if you're a
drug dealer in possession of a gun,

943
01:08:42.920 --> 01:08:45.199
it's really easy to tie it to
the drug business. He was using it

944
01:08:45.199 --> 01:08:49.079
for protection, he was using it
for intimidation, you know, they go

945
01:08:49.159 --> 01:08:53.880
hand in hand. Well maybe,
but then again, it is also possible,

946
01:08:54.039 --> 01:08:57.239
legally feasible in my mind, that
you could be a drug dealer,

947
01:08:57.399 --> 01:09:00.279
never pick up a firearm in your
business as a drug deal but have you

948
01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:04.319
know, but go hunting. How
about that? That's possible I knew a

949
01:09:04.399 --> 01:09:09.319
hunting drug dealer once. A guy
was an avid hunter. He had plenty

950
01:09:09.359 --> 01:09:14.039
of shotguns and rifles and stuff like
that, never used it in his business,

951
01:09:14.039 --> 01:09:17.520
and he was moving significant weight.
If they would have busted him,

952
01:09:17.640 --> 01:09:21.640
his guns had zero to do with
his drug business. He was an avid

953
01:09:21.720 --> 01:09:27.560
hunter also, right, So should
they take away his guns because as a

954
01:09:27.640 --> 01:09:30.800
drug dealer on a certain level,
since he was moving a quarter million dollars

955
01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:35.279
worth of stuff over six months time
easily, does that mean that well automatically

956
01:09:35.359 --> 01:09:40.039
the guns are involved. No,
he was a hunter. Now I'm not

957
01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:44.119
saying other people that you know he
dealt with didn't have guns or whatever.

958
01:09:44.159 --> 01:09:47.279
But he did not use a gun
in commission of a crime. He didn't

959
01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:54.199
use it in his business as somebody
running a criminal business. So why should

960
01:09:54.199 --> 01:09:57.239
the gun even enter the picture unless
the crime is committed with it, right,

961
01:09:57.920 --> 01:10:01.560
What do you think? Well,
yeah, I agree with you there.

962
01:10:01.640 --> 01:10:05.039
I mean, unless it's actually used
in the commission of a crime,

963
01:10:05.119 --> 01:10:12.159
then it shouldn't be an issue.
And one thing that bothers me about this

964
01:10:12.199 --> 01:10:15.840
whole thing is is the fact that
there are a lot of domestic violence orders

965
01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:23.159
that are issued that may not necessarily
need to be issued, but a lot

966
01:10:23.199 --> 01:10:29.119
of judges issue them to cover their
butts because the last thing they want is

967
01:10:29.239 --> 01:10:32.560
twelve hours after they decide not to
issue it, to see some lady in

968
01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:38.279
an emergency room or the morgue.
And that's their fear that they that's the

969
01:10:38.319 --> 01:10:45.039
fear that runs through them that influences
their decision to issue these things. I

970
01:10:45.079 --> 01:10:48.520
personally went through it a situation where
one was issued, but it was only

971
01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:53.840
so that someone could get back in
the house because I had possession of the

972
01:10:53.880 --> 01:10:57.560
residents and everything that was in it. So what they were trying to do

973
01:10:57.720 --> 01:11:00.840
is get back into the house after
a lot had been changed. So they

974
01:11:01.520 --> 01:11:06.119
swore out this domestic violence order,
and I was able to go to my

975
01:11:06.159 --> 01:11:12.039
attorney and him put the cabash on
it and say we're having a hearing for

976
01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:16.079
this, and in the meantime,
we're suing you for exupable distribution, so

977
01:11:16.600 --> 01:11:19.920
we have control of the assets right
now. We're asking to keep control of

978
01:11:19.960 --> 01:11:25.880
them until this thing's decided. So
it was a legal maneuver, but they

979
01:11:25.960 --> 01:11:30.439
were using it to try to get
back into the residence and get out certain

980
01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:33.720
items. They didn't care about the
residence. They wanted to get stuff out

981
01:11:33.720 --> 01:11:39.840
of the residence, certain marital assets
that really, had they been gotten out,

982
01:11:39.880 --> 01:11:43.560
would have been liquidated. And it
was the only thing I could do

983
01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:45.279
to protect myself. But yeah,
I went straight to my lawyer. He

984
01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:47.680
said, Oh, you don't worry
about this. He says, we got

985
01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:50.239
this one covered. He says,
you haven't. Is that how many days

986
01:11:50.279 --> 01:11:54.359
has been since you had any contact
or talked to her? I said,

987
01:11:54.359 --> 01:11:57.560
it's been like a week. He
said, this thing goes away tomorrow.

988
01:11:58.079 --> 01:12:00.399
Yeah, well you got lucky.
You got lucky because Okay, a couple

989
01:12:00.399 --> 01:12:04.680
of things though. I understand the
logic for doing that though, if somebody

990
01:12:04.840 --> 01:12:11.119
is legitimately under threat for domestic violence, I get it. But here's the

991
01:12:11.159 --> 01:12:14.359
thing, Like you said, it
could be a strategy for some other reason.

992
01:12:14.399 --> 01:12:16.479
They might be setting it up so
they have grounds for something in the

993
01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:20.920
divorce to prove damages. Right,
Because the more happen, most of them

994
01:12:20.920 --> 01:12:25.600
are taken. Now, don't get
me wrong, I don't I'm not saying

995
01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:30.760
the majority. I'm just saying a
lot. Oh, there's enough restrained orders

996
01:12:30.760 --> 01:12:34.239
are taken out where they shouldn't be. Yeah, there's enough problem the questions.

997
01:12:34.319 --> 01:12:39.840
Yeah, the majority of the ones
taken out need to be taken out.

998
01:12:40.720 --> 01:12:44.399
And that's the unfortunate thing about this. There are a lot of violent

999
01:12:44.439 --> 01:12:47.560
people out there and push to extremes, They will do violent things. And

1000
01:12:47.600 --> 01:12:53.920
the domestic violence order has a purpose, it has a use, and it

1001
01:12:54.000 --> 01:12:58.399
is a very important tool of being
able to try to combat domestic violence.

1002
01:12:58.520 --> 01:13:04.359
Yeah. I agree with their issues
absolutely in this case. You know you

1003
01:13:04.760 --> 01:13:10.840
nowadays, if you get a domestic
violence order, you sit in jail until

1004
01:13:10.880 --> 01:13:16.239
you go before a judge. Well
so if you violate, if you if

1005
01:13:16.279 --> 01:13:19.760
there's one in place and something happens. And I don't know what this guy's

1006
01:13:19.800 --> 01:13:26.359
case was, but apparently he was
charged for six instances where he was discharging

1007
01:13:26.359 --> 01:13:29.840
a weapon at somebody. Oh well, see, you got you kind of

1008
01:13:29.880 --> 01:13:32.920
wonder how he was allowed to do
it six times and not be in jail.

1009
01:13:33.439 --> 01:13:36.720
Oh well yeah. And also,
why is it that the firearms weren't

1010
01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:40.800
taken away? Because look, we
keep having charges against you for this.

1011
01:13:41.079 --> 01:13:45.920
Let's just take these off your hands
temporarily. Again, you'll dig into this

1012
01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:48.640
one and see if he was using
different weapons every time and they confiscated the

1013
01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:53.239
weapons. I have to I'll have
to go back and read the initial the

1014
01:13:53.279 --> 01:13:56.079
initial case that started it all.
Yeah, you got to go back and

1015
01:13:56.079 --> 01:13:58.399
read through it. But the thing
is, I get it, and it

1016
01:13:58.479 --> 01:14:01.399
makes sense. Look and and I
don't mind that. Indeed, there has

1017
01:14:01.479 --> 01:14:06.600
to be some wrongfully issued ones where
people are probably you know, just being

1018
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leveraged. I get it because you
have to err on the side of safety

1019
01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:15.319
here. And unfortunately, unless you
present something like this, you're not going

1020
01:14:15.399 --> 01:14:19.760
to stop somebody from continuously going after
another person. It's just the way it

1021
01:14:19.800 --> 01:14:24.479
is, okay. And there's some
people who don't care either when they got

1022
01:14:24.479 --> 01:14:28.600
a restrained or I don't care,
they get arrested again and they keep doing

1023
01:14:28.640 --> 01:14:31.279
it. So I get it well. And there are those individuals that don't

1024
01:14:31.359 --> 01:14:34.960
have the resources like I did to
be able to go to an attorney and

1025
01:14:35.039 --> 01:14:39.600
say, hey, you know what
about this and him go, don't worry

1026
01:14:39.640 --> 01:14:42.159
about that. We're going in front
of a judge on this and I'll make

1027
01:14:42.199 --> 01:14:45.039
it go away. Mine was dismissed
with prejudice, which meant it could not

1028
01:14:45.159 --> 01:14:48.119
be filed again. Right, oh, thank god, right now. But

1029
01:14:48.279 --> 01:14:51.840
there's a lot of guys that aren't
in that situation, right, and they

1030
01:14:51.840 --> 01:14:55.920
get put between a rock and a
hard place when it comes to something like

1031
01:14:55.960 --> 01:14:59.800
this. Yeah, well, me, for instance, because what happened to

1032
01:14:59.840 --> 01:15:01.359
me, I have no ability to
fight with this. I was just like,

1033
01:15:01.439 --> 01:15:04.800
okay, I'm gonna wait for my
hearing gate because I'll just stay away

1034
01:15:04.800 --> 01:15:08.680
from her. That's fine by me. And I don't have any guns to

1035
01:15:08.720 --> 01:15:12.680
surrender. I'll just wait for my
hearing gate, you know, because that's

1036
01:15:12.680 --> 01:15:16.000
all I could do, Okay.
And that's what gives me about this guy.

1037
01:15:16.039 --> 01:15:19.720
He was convicted of this. I'm
trying to understand though, how he

1038
01:15:19.920 --> 01:15:28.680
was They issued the order when he
was convicted of the violent act, so

1039
01:15:29.199 --> 01:15:34.119
therefore, how could he say that
it was a violation of his rights?

1040
01:15:35.479 --> 01:15:39.920
And that's the part that I don't
understand. You know, this guy was

1041
01:15:40.159 --> 01:15:45.920
arrested for doing this stuff, right
and convicted of it, and I'm and

1042
01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:50.800
the and the restrain and order was
not violated until after that a second instance.

1043
01:15:53.439 --> 01:15:58.840
So apparently there were six extra incidents. Yeah, well, but but

1044
01:15:58.920 --> 01:16:02.079
here you go. Anyway, the
current controversy, like I said, is

1045
01:16:02.119 --> 01:16:05.079
what is the court going to do
with this? And you know, the

1046
01:16:05.159 --> 01:16:09.840
media signaling that they believe that the
court is gonna come down on the side

1047
01:16:10.079 --> 01:16:14.039
of upholding the idea that you can
take away somebody's guns if they have a

1048
01:16:14.039 --> 01:16:16.359
temporary restraining order. I'm not sure
how I feel about it. But in

1049
01:16:16.399 --> 01:16:20.720
this particular case, I don't understand
why this is even an issue, because

1050
01:16:20.760 --> 01:16:26.880
if the guy is continuously getting charged
with firearms problems, it seems to me

1051
01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:31.680
like you got a variety of reasons
to confiscate his weapons, at least temporarily.

1052
01:16:32.520 --> 01:16:35.720
Okay, So I you know,
look again, I think there's a

1053
01:16:35.760 --> 01:16:40.359
certain point at which, no,
your constitutional rights should not be violated,

1054
01:16:40.520 --> 01:16:46.560
but they can be taken away.
I think if you are violating things like

1055
01:16:46.600 --> 01:16:49.840
public safety. I mean, that's
the way I see it. But I

1056
01:16:49.840 --> 01:16:53.560
don't know. I'm probably gonna get
all kinds of hate mail from people about

1057
01:16:53.600 --> 01:16:57.760
this and whatever. But it's a
messed up situation. We'll see how it

1058
01:16:57.760 --> 01:17:00.880
comes out. And again, I
don't think this is a con conservative or

1059
01:17:00.920 --> 01:17:03.760
a liberal position to take. I
think this is a matter of somebody should

1060
01:17:03.760 --> 01:17:08.399
look at this and go, well, the particulars of this case mean this

1061
01:17:08.680 --> 01:17:13.319
first of all, and secondly,
this leaving open ended ways of taking away

1062
01:17:13.319 --> 01:17:15.760
people's firearms. No, I don't
agree with that, and I don't see

1063
01:17:15.760 --> 01:17:17.000
how the court's going to agree with
that. Well, And that's like these

1064
01:17:17.039 --> 01:17:24.520
amicus briefs that are filed by individuals
and organizations on behalf of a side of

1065
01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:29.640
an argument. It's almost like,
you know, we don't need the ACLU

1066
01:17:29.880 --> 01:17:32.399
coming in there and saying, oh, yes, we feel that this should

1067
01:17:32.439 --> 01:17:36.920
not only be overturned, but when
it gets overturned, we should use these

1068
01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:42.399
parameters in the future to determine if
anything else is a violation or not.

1069
01:17:43.000 --> 01:17:45.520
You know, it's almost like that's
where the politics get involved in the amicus

1070
01:17:45.560 --> 01:17:49.960
briefs, because everybody's got an opinion
coming from a certain point and an agenda,

1071
01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:55.359
right. You know, the American
Civil Liberties Union ain't really looking out

1072
01:17:55.359 --> 01:18:01.359
for your civil liberties their special interest
all the way. So that's something that

1073
01:18:01.439 --> 01:18:06.119
I have a problem with, is
when we start letting that into the court

1074
01:18:06.159 --> 01:18:11.199
through these amicus briefs where people are
arguing things from a certain direction. But

1075
01:18:11.239 --> 01:18:13.800
here's the thing, it's so asked
backwards. I have no idea how to

1076
01:18:13.880 --> 01:18:18.039
interpret that, because it's not a
liberal position to be sitting there and fighting

1077
01:18:18.079 --> 01:18:20.680
for this this way. You know, it seems to me, like you

1078
01:18:20.760 --> 01:18:26.119
said, it's just a set up
to allow, you know, future abuses.

1079
01:18:26.720 --> 01:18:29.119
And it's crazy because you would think, you know, the way that

1080
01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:32.319
I understood the ACLU for most of
my life is that they should be on

1081
01:18:32.600 --> 01:18:38.039
the opposite side of this issue,
you know. But then again they seem

1082
01:18:38.039 --> 01:18:41.520
to not be for free speech and
everything else lately. So it is what

1083
01:18:41.680 --> 01:18:45.520
it is, the o'celly effect.
Though for this Tuesday is all done.

1084
01:18:45.520 --> 01:18:47.199
I got to take a little time
and talk to my co host off air

1085
01:18:47.600 --> 01:18:53.039
before I get to another appointment.
But hopefully you guys had a little bit

1086
01:18:53.039 --> 01:18:57.159
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