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After the clinic was over, I
introduced myself. I said, I'm Jim

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Waldren. I'm twelve years old.
I want to be a teaching pro when

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I get older. I've been studying
the game, particularly the golf swing,

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and I said, I'm really impressed
with your ball striker, mister hun you

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have to be one of the best
ball strikers in the world. How come

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we aren't playing on tour, we're
living, he goes, kid, I

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was on tour for ten years,
but I got the putting gifts so bad.

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I had four or five put every
green, couldn't make a cut,

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so I had to turn the trick
shot artist try to make a living.

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He said, what's the secret of
the golf swing? He goes, I'll

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tell you something. I've been a
student of mister Hogan's for the last fifteen

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years, and Ben Hogan shared with
me a lot of his so called secrets,

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he goes. The number one fundamental
and golf coming with Ben Hogan was

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to set up and rock solid balance. Swing to the top and rock solid

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balance. Swing to the finish and
rock solid balance and especially during the strike

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from when your hands are about hippide
on the right side of your body to

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hippide on the left side during the
strike. He said, you want to

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feel like your feet are rooted into
the ground, like your spikes are twelve

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inches long. All right. This
is Michael Bidhead from Meford, Ontario,

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Canada, and I play at Film
three Golf Course. This is Golf Smarter

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Episode number eight pound two for a
mechanics versus self sabotage. You may be

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surprised which is hurting you more With
Jim Waldron. This is Golf Smarter sharing

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stories, tips and insights from great
golf minds to help you lower your score

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and raise your golf IQ. Here's
your host, Fred Green. Welcome back

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to the Golf Smarter podcast. Jimmy, thank you man. Wonderful. We'll

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be back with you as always.
It's good to have you back on.

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You know, I was looking through
my records here and I could tell that

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you've been on a lot. This
is your thirty second Golf Smarter appearance.

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You're blow in my mind. I
can't believe it's been that many. Yeah,

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and it's been how many years has
it been? We've done been doing

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this set, right, I started
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on was December of seven. So
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Yeah, that's right, I remember. No, yeah, that was my

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birthday. It was right after my
birthday. I think, oh, it's

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my birthday. Oh, happy birthday. I gotta write that. Oh yeah,

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I got everybody knows you were born
with a day that lives in infamy

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day. Listen. Yeah, I'm
writing it down. You are now on

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my calendar of December seventh, and
everyone else is marking it down to make

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sure you're write to Jim and wish
him a happy birthday. Um. Oh,

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I didn't get to show you.
Okay, I'll show you the club

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later. Remind me to show you
this club. I'll tell you about it

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though. I'll tell you about it
because a listener wrote to me and said,

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boy Tony Manzoni, I remember when
he you know, he was one

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of the founders of Callaway. Oh
I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah,

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and he had come out with a
putter called the Purest and it's got

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his signature on it. Oh that
is so cool. I found this on

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eBay and it's nice and clean,
and it's got a wooden hickory shaft on

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it. It even says even says
hickory stick right there with an old callaway

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grip. So I need to apologize
to the audience. You can't see this

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Jim. Jim has some sort of
disease that prevents him from using technology.

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We have not figured out why.
But here we are a thirty second time

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that Jim's been on and I this
is just for the audience. Here,

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I swear to you, Jim,
and I spend thirty to forty five minutes

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just trying to get him on so
we can have a conversation every single time.

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This is how much I love you, Jim Waldron. I spend more

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time getting you on show than just
recording your conversations. That's true. Yeah,

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I mean you were telling, didn't
you tell me something? You have

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a friend that won't let you near
his office. Yeah. Yeah, he

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has this theory that I have like
this this magical like voodoo power with computers.

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It's not magic, man, it's
I can be hired by the National

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Security Agency as a cyber warrior.
I just have to go to Moscow and

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hang out near the Kremlin. All
the computers would shut down. I'm sure

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that's exactly what you want to do
in your spare time. Exactly, yeah,

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exactly. But we're here to talk
about golf instruction and the Balance Point

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golf schools. Um. You you're
so prolific in your teaching, and of

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course we've been for years. We've
called you the yips whisper. You you

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have another name for it. I
like yips Whisper. Yeah, that's fine,

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I like it. Yeah, okay, I sometimes call myself the yip

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doctor, the yip doctor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um. But

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you know, recently, Retelling,
I was reading something that you were talking

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about the most important physical fundamental is
balance. Is balanced a story about That's

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one reason, not the only,
why I call my company balance Point,

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because that was my next question,
right, Every teacher has a hierarchy of

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fundamentals that they believe are important in
a certain order, and mine is on

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the physical side of the game,
because there's always a mental aspect. Obviously,

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the most important fundamental if your mechanics
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regularly, is balance. And I
learned that from Ben Hogan via a student

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of his named Paul Hans Senior.
Have you ever heard of Paul Han,

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the famous trick shot artist? No? Okay, his son Paul Han Junior,

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does it today at least, how
do you spell his last name?

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H h n? Okay him up
artiste. Back when I was a young,

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up and coming junior golfer in Chicago, my mentor was a guy named

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Charles Evans, also known as Chick
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for founding the Evans County Scholarship Fund. But he was the number one player

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in the world from around nineteen ten
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like Bobby Jones, he never turned
pro. He retained his amateur status,

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but he won all the major events
back. Yeah, in those years,

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that's what you did. You you
stayed amateury there was no money and playing

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profotional golf until sponsorship started to happen
exactly. And you would know having I

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viewed Bobby Jones's grandson, right right, Yeah, he was. But anyhow,

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so he would take myself and a
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Chicago to the Western Open, and
I had lunch with mister Evans. I

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think it was in sixty four,
if my memory serves, I had lunch

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with mister Evans. The great Tony
Lima who actually died tragically a few months

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later, or in a plane crash. He was a private pilot flying to

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a tour event and assessmic crashed.
He would have been a multiple major winner

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if that hadn't happened, if he
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So I'm twelve, Nicholas is twenty
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this is a story I tell all
my yip students and all my mental name

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students. When it comes to an
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is how to start your takeaway.
We called the trigger the swing trigger ritual.

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And I had noticed as a young
student of the game, thinking it

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maybe at some point, as an
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which, lucky for me, turned
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was really studying what the tour pros
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their putting strokes, their short game
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And I noticed that Nicholas would spend
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On a fast shot, he might
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which by today's standards is really slow, and he sometimes stood over the ball

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for over a minute, link shut
looking at the target. He got fine

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thousands of dollars by the PGA Tour
Board for slow play. Wow. So

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I brought this up when I said, mister Nicholas, could I ask you

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a question about your mental game,
specifically about the pre shot? Routini said,

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sure, kid, what do you
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Hey, how old were you when
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he was twenty two And okay,
and how did you get face to face

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with him? Because of mister Evans. Ok he would check myself and couple

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of junior golfers out there and introduce
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was kind of a nice one.
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thing on his part to do that
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said, I'm a serious student of
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I get older and I'm noticing all
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the sweet pand on my watch are
spending almost to the second, the same

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amount of time over the ball before
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away. But the amount of time
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but it's definitely on the long end. What was his face when you said

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that to him? What was his
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Let's just say he wasn't too happy. Remember me to tell you the

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story when I brought this up a
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at the Senior Skins Can he remembered
the story. But I said, well,

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I mentioned the PGA tour board,
thousands of dollars of fines. That's

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what really good. I'm kind of
a little po but he said. And

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I can't tell you what he exactly
said because it's a little bit. Uh

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say, if I have to bleep
it, I will. Oh he said,

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f the PGA tour board in their
thousand dollars fines. I'm not going

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to start my takeaway till i'm I'm
good and ready. Who That was his

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response, Okay, and I said, which I thought was pretty good for

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a twelve year old. Okay,
how do you know when it's time to

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start? Which is a big deal
in sports psychology in general, in any

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sport, How do you know when
it's time to start the mote? The

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athletic motion? He said, My
body tells me. I said, I

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don't understand, mister Nicholas. What
do you mean your body tells me?

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He said, I wait, and
I waggle and I shuffle my feet and

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I look at the target, and
when my body wants to start, it

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starts. And I said, I've
tried that, and I play worse when

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I do that way. He goes, why I go, while I'm waiting

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to feel comfortable and confident for my
body to want to start, negative thoughts

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enter my mind about was like the
twenty different ways I'm going to screw up

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the shot. And he looked at
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let your mind think that way?
Don't you want to hit a good shot?

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I go, of course I do. He goes, well, why

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would you ever picture the ball going
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I only picture the ball going to
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thinking in my head that's because you're
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right, which, just guys,
yeah, Nikola, So he would never

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occur to him to hit a bad
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he said. I never thought.
I never think about a bad shot happening,

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which of course is insane, right, I mean, what a genius

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the guy is for golf. So
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game at Manilani in nineteen ninety five
when I opened my school's there because I

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was a sponsor of the program.
I have inside the rope's access in general

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with him and Pomp Palmer and Chichi
Rodriguez and Lee Trevino. Wow, And

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I asked him if he remembered the
conversation that he did. It was at

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Tamil Shanner Golf Club in nineteen sixty
four, sixty thirty one of those two

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years. But anyhow, but more
all of the story is that's actually the

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worst way you can do it,
even though it works for him obviously.

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Sure, And today Rory mackelroy does
the Nicklas method and Jordan Spieth does the

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Nicklas method, which we call waiting
for a for you to feel comfortable to

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pull the trigger. And again for
average golfers especially, that's death to do

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it that way. You don't want
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you want to You want to have
a little step by step routine that never

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varies and you start when it's time
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stress out of the equation. Fascinating, right, because there's no time to

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bet for bad thoughts to happen.
You know, I played at a pro

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am in Arizona a number of years
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former NBA players, and I think
I got a chance. It's it's a

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blur to me now, but I
think I got a chance to talk to

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Doctor Jay who was on the driving
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mental game and his response was,
that's for amateurs. I said, what

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do you mean professional golfers. Professional
athletes don't think about it. We just

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do it. There you go,
there you go exactly. And he says,

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you know, people who think about
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to it. He says, he
that's just because you have doubt. We

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don't. We're gonna go. We're
gonna go for it every single time because

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we know that we can. It's
like, yeah, okay, well it's

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kind of end of our conversation.
Well I've got I've got a great response

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to that, because one of my
first professional athlete students was a guy who

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has the third thing I think still
today has the third worst record from free

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throws in the NBA. Chris Dudley, who played with the Portland Trail Blazers

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in the last six years of his
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that, and he signed up from
my golf schools, like almost twenty years

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ago, as it never played before. He was about three years from retiring

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from the Blazers and from the NBA
general and he said to me, do

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you know about my record from the
line? I go, yeah, dude,

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I'm a big basketball fan. He
said, was it free throwing yips?

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Of course I'd seen him multiple times
on TV. I go, yeah,

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Chris, it was. He goes, if I take your golf instruction,

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am I going to end up with
golf hips? I go, you

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have no idea who you're talking to. Even back then, I was kind

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of known in the golf world for
helping people with yips. I go,

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no, if you follow my instruction, you'll never have the yips and golf

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ever, don't worry about it.
Yeah and yeah, but he's fine.

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She's a good golfer. He doesn't
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he was thinking over the line.
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well. They weren't. They weren't
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talking about. Yeah, yeah,
which is interesting. He didn't have the

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yips all. There's only in free
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the yips only only from the free
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game, because in the flow of
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Right, The problem with golf is
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Although when Nicholas is the only positive
thoughts, he never he said, why

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would you think negative thoughts, which
is like, again, it's human nature

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unless you're a genius to think negative
thoughts, right, right, right,

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all right, We're gonna take a
time out. We'll be back talk more

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about the yips and negative thoughts after
this. Doubt we all, we all

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play with it, we all all
recreational, all amateur players. And I'm

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sure that well after watching the Netflix
show Full Swing Um and and watching what

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What What Brooks Capico was going through. Yeah, doubt enters every golf for

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his mind. And you know,
you play we play out of fear.

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Pros play out of confidence most of
the times. Yeah, mostly, So

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let's let's talk about eliminating doubt,
just blocking it out, even for those

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few seconds when you're standing over the
ball. You may have it as you're

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walking up to your ball, and
after you hit it, but how do

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we eliminate that doubt in the few
seconds that we have when we're over the

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ball. Well, the overarching answer
is you need a tour pro quality preshot

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routine. That's the overall framework or
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happens. Right, So, and
I mean it's a step by step procedure

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that well, the first the first
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of five and my preshot routine is
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variation in that because you have to
analyze all the shot elements, the lie

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of the golf ball to win where's
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That might take you five seconds at
your own course that you've played a

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thousand times, and it might take
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than that on a new course.
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the plan, the other four stages, second stage is called positive mindset,

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third stages aim in alignment. Four
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then the fifth stages the trigger ritual, which which is what the Nicholas conversation

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was about. So you have to
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what sports psychologists call a flow state, or step one leads to step two,

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which leads to three without any effort. Now, that can only happen

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if you've done enough reps to deeply
memorize all the steps, and in my

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experience, it takes about two thousand
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memorized it deeply to get the benefit
of it on the golf course. Right,

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so you can you know, you
don't say the golf ball. You

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can do the reps in your living
room. You don't need a golf you

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don't you need a driving ridge and
do it inside, right. So that's

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the first step. The second step
is you have to analyze is causing me

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to self sabotage my performance. It
always comes down to basically two things,

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which are your overall psychological mindset and
how you use your ability to what psychologists

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call focused attention or awareness. And
the psychological mindset has two main aspects,

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which are the emotional side of your
personality and the thinking side. So in

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that sense, you have to learn
how to switch off negative emotions and switch

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on a positive emotion or at least
a new state of no emotions even better,

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and you have to learn how to
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right, And then the second part
is learning where to focus your mind,

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which is what I call the focal
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mind there with enough strength, enough
clarity to block any negative thoughts or emotions

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that may want to come in.
And that's basically this is a very overly

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simplistic explanation or answer to your question, but that's basically what it comes down

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to. So I guess you could
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skill sets under themselves, just like
learning how to cock your risk properly as

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a skill in golf, learning how
to switch off negative thoughts and replace them

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with positive thoughts can be seen as
a skill. Learning how to transmute fear

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into courage can be seen as a
separate, discrete skill, And that's what

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I teach people how to do,
particularly if they have yips. And the

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YIPS is just the extreme example of
someone who has a really bad mental game,

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right right, I mean, people
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eventually end up with some form of
the YIPS if they believe play golf for

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a long enough time. Right,
Generally speaking, it may not be severe

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yips, but they'll have some form
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golf with no fear. I teach
people how to do it right. It's

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possible to believe that I can do
this, pull the shot off, and

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stay in that positive mindset throughout the
entire five hour round the golf. There's

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listeners all over the world right now
shaking their head. They're going, yeah,

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I can't, I can't go there, I can't do that. But

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what about And we've had this conversation
and I love having again because I learned

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something new every time about just um
turning your focus away from the mechanics of

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getting a golf ball, of pushing
your putting, your your your focus externally

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focus you know, because listen,
you've made no matter what skill level you're

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at, no matter what your handicap
or your average score is when you're playing

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golf, you've made good enough shots
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You've made shots that you go it's
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here. So you know it's in
you, You know it's there, but

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doubt enters in and then you stand
over the ball, going, oh,

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I better not do this. Oh
I got to make sure I don't do

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that. And you're saying what I
don't do, what I don't do as

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opposed to just let your body do
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that's that's exactly right. I mean, it's somewhat what we're talking about.

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Now. The ultimate answer comes down
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answer or is it mostly in the
moment better mental game? And my answer

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to that is, if your average
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it's almost entirely a mental issue,
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it's mostly of physical issues. That
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ten, the mental game stuff isn't
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your mechanics suck, or your balance
is terrible, or your tempo's too slower

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too fast for your own good.
So that guy or gal should spend time

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off the golf course under the tutelage
of a good teaching pro and learn to

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have better physical skills. Then he
or she will find the mental game approach

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much more, you know, much
more effective. Right, But if you're

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below ninety five, it's particularly if
you blow eighty five, it's almost entirely

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mental the question you're posing because that
means your physical skill is good enough to

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at worst achieve what tour pros call
a decent miss. If that's your goal,

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is to have no worse than than
a decent not even a good,

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but like a fair miss right where
you can still say, like you might,

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you might miss the green, but
only by five feet where you put

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your next putter chip. If you're
decent at those two shots, you're still

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gonna make part likely, right,
But if your miss is forty fifty yards

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left or bide the green, and
that's your that's your average shot. The

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metal game isn't going to really help
that much, right, It'll help,

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for sure, but it won't help
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Right. Can we get back to
Paul Han for a second. I

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oh, I'm sorry, yeah,
right, Please tell me more, Paul.

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This is at the same tournament Tamma
Shanter Golf Club. It went like

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three years in a row with mister
Evan. It was either sixty three,

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sixty four, sixty five. Anyhow, at the end of the that day's

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round, he put on a trick
shot of incredible trick shot artistry standing on

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a step letter a feet high with
a driver twelve feet long. We had

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out of a fiber glass pole because
there were no fibre glass hitting three hundred

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and fifty yard drives in the air
straight, no, yes, yes,

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oh my god, right folded standing
on one leg with only his right hand

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on the club, hitting perfect hundred
and fifty yard seven yards one after another.

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Just incredible stuff. I can go
on and on, but I'll just

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save time. I'll tell you to
justin story. So after the clinic was

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over, I introduced myself. I
said, I'm Jim Waldren. I'm twelve

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years old. I want to be
a teaching pro when I get older.

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I've been studying the game, particularly
the golf swing, and I said,

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I'm really impressed with your ball striker, mister hun. You have to be

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one of the best ball strikers in
the world. How come we aren't playing

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on tour for a living, He
goes, kid, I was on tour

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for ten years, but I got
the putting hips so bad. I had

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four or five put every green,
couldn't make a cut, so I had

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to turn the trip shot artist try
to make a living. Wow, I

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said, what's the secret of the
golf swing. I've been I want to

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know, he goes, I'll tell
you something. I've been a student of

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mister Hogans for the last fifteen years
and Ben Hogan shared with me a lot

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of his so called secrets or well
you also call laws or rules about the

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golf swing. And he goes,
the number one thing on the physical side,

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because Hogan also was a huge dude
in the metal game. The number

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one fundamental and golf coding that Ben
Hogan was to set up in rock solid

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balance. Hogan's term swing to the
top and rock solid balance, swing to

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the finish and rock solid balance,
and especially during the stripe from when your

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hands are about hippide on the right
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the left side during the strike,
during the so called release segment of the

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swing. He said, you want
to feel like your feet are rooted into

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the ground, like your spikes are
twelve inches long. And that's the thing

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he worked on more than anything else. He worked on other stuff, obviously,

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but Hogan believed that if you were
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called the writing or the rebalancing instinct, then the attempt to regain balance will

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prevent you from falling down on your
face hurting yourself, but it will ruin

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your golf swim mechanics. So you
never want to have to trigger the writing

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or rebalancing instinct, because that means
you'll use your arms and legs as counterweights,

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or you'll jump up out of your
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It all takes place unconsciously, the
tiny fraction of a second. Sure,

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So that's one of the reason I
call my company Balance Points. So yeah,

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so learning how to swing and balance
is the quickest way for people who

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are basically eighty five or higher shooters
to see significant improvement and equality of the

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buls record. Definitely, And that's
what he told me he worked on all

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the time so he could do those
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Incredible. Take another time out,
we'll be right back. You mentioned

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balance and tempo. Now there's I
can talk about balance with you all day

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long. And you know, we've
talked so much on the show, and

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we had Tony Manzonion and his single
pivot swing and his study of Hogan,

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and he's convinced that Hogan was doing
the same. Where do you fall in

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all of the single pivot swing that
he that his lost fundamental. Yeah,

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I've never actually read anything a little
bit. I saw the podcast you did

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with my buddy Justin Tang from about
three weeks ago. But if you look

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at the video from face on,
what is clearly obvious is that Hogan did

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a fundamental that all good ball streckers
do, which is the technical turn today

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is separation, which means while your
shoulder girdle, your reppert torso is finishing

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the last ten to fifteen degrees of
coiling away from the target, your lower

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spine, your tailbone, and your
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Now, he Hogan started that move
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anybody today playing golf. So when
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or even just below parallel to the
ground, he was already starting his

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lateral hip shift, the so called
separation move. But yeah, so what

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but on the forward swing, Yeah, his left hip was over his left

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knee vertically staffed on top of his
left knee, and his left knee was

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vertically staffed over his stable left foot
and ankles, So he can called that

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the gate post and he taught several
people we mentored some of who we've talked

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about, Chris Chutter or Julie Millerer
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Conventuri, a few others I can
think of that you rotated mostly Obviously

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you're because your hips are one one
thing. But you're rotating mostly over your

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left hip, meaning you're letting your
pelvic girdle is rotating over a stable left

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upper thigh bone or femur. And
that's obviously what almost all good ball strikers

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do. I mean some do it
more than others. Some have a slight

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angle of their leg bone away from
the target. Most have their their left

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leg thigh bone ninety degrees to the
ground. And hardly any amateurs do that.

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Amateurs are hanging back. If they're
not, they're not getting their weight

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shifted over. And though well,
also a lot of amateurs I notice on

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their back swing their their front knee. Let's say you're a right handed golfer,

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so your left knee on your back
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Correct and I and I remember Tony
when I met with Tony once he had

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he was making sure that my knee
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Correct, that's correct. Absolutely,
You want your knee left knee has

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to flex inward toward the toward the
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center of your stands more accurately right, and that allows your hip girdle to

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rotate what today's parliaments is called a
centered hip turn, which reads, even

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though it's rot you've gotta think in
three D. It is rotating in three

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dimensional space, but from a face
on view, which is two D on

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a camera for video computer screen,
it looks like it's just rotating in a

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circle right without sliding a lot either
direction. It might slide an inch or

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two to the right, which is
what most good well strekers do. Hogan

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actually slid an inch to the left
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because he was getting a headstart on
his lateral hip shifts operacial move. But

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you don't want a lot of shifting
either laterally left or right. So that's

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what the famous teacher Percy Boomer called
turning your hips in a barrel. That's

407
00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:12.279
the center hip turn. That's for
backswing, not not forward forward swing,

408
00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:17.200
and have to shift or slide a
little bit toward the target Yeah, it's

409
00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:18.599
a pretty big fundamental and you've got
to do that. By the way,

410
00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:22.039
doing it right is how you stay
in balance. If you're doing a hip

411
00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:26.319
rotation incorrectly, you're gonna lose your
balance pretty quickly. I used to have

412
00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:30.400
that issue with my driver. I
would completely fall out of out of my

413
00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:36.720
position, my stance after I hit
the ball. Yeah, yeah, and

414
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:37.880
that's that's what I'm saying. If
you can get if you can get to

415
00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:44.799
hips over so that you're basically rotating
mainly over your left leg and that sort

416
00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:48.880
of fifty fifty, then you're already
in balance, and then you're going to

417
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:52.160
finish with your weight already on your
left leg. So to finish about nine,

418
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:57.559
your total body weight should be over
a stable left foot and a straight,

419
00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:02.839
vertical to the ground left leg.
And it's just easier to do that

420
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:06.880
if you're already there in the halfway
down position, when your hands are about

421
00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:08.759
hiphide on the down swing on the
right side of your body for a right

422
00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:12.400
and a golfer. If you look
at Hogan, any good ball striker today,

423
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:15.519
even if mode's there as well,
they've already got their hip over their

424
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:21.000
knee and their knee over their foot, so they're mostly rotating over their left

425
00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:23.519
leg again what he called the left
leg gate post. What Hogan called it

426
00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:26.359
the gate post, which is a
good and kind of a good visual metaphor.

427
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:33.480
So I consider myself a mostly centered
pivot teacher. I want a mostly

428
00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:37.519
centered pivot on the backswing and a
mostly centered pivot on the forward swing.

429
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:41.599
But realizing mostly means there has to
be a little bit of later emotion,

430
00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:47.759
especially on the backswing. It's it's
a very tiny one to two inches later

431
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:51.279
emotion on the backswing, and with
the driver with a wider stands, it's

432
00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:53.440
like, you know, four to
eight inches of later emotion by the time

433
00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:57.039
you strike the ball on the forward
swing. But that's what the lower body.

434
00:29:57.119 --> 00:30:03.359
The upper body stays relatively centered,
right, so it's almost like your

435
00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:07.680
hips are are shifting underneath a steady
head and steady upper spine. Upper sternum,

436
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:11.640
Yeah, because that's the hub.
That's where your shoulder gill rotates around

437
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:15.680
your spine. It's the top of
your sternum, and that point needs to

438
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:21.160
be relatively fixed, ideally super fixed
in free d space. Once you start,

439
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:23.279
you once you get to the early
stages of the doubt, of the

440
00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:26.880
transition move over with so when you're
when your left arm is parallel, that's

441
00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:30.839
the earliest stage of transitions done.
And you look at tour pros from that

442
00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:34.359
point of left arm parallel to the
ground to left arm parallel to the ground

443
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:37.920
and the left side of the body. Their head doesn't move sideways, their

444
00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:42.799
sternham doesn't move sideways. Right,
it's from a two D perspective, it'll

445
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:47.960
stay fixed in space, right.
Yeah. And that's that's a secret to

446
00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:49.839
having solid contact with the ball because
if you can do that, you're going

447
00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:55.279
to have better control over the club
bottoms out the low point, which is

448
00:30:55.680 --> 00:31:00.720
always hard. Like finding getting that
low point and having it in front of

449
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:04.759
the ball, right. It was
the key except for driver, right,

450
00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:08.559
because you want to be coming up
on your correct so the driver should be

451
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:14.599
about an inch behind the ball ideal
it right, but like a three wood

452
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:18.400
would be directly underneath the ball off
the ground, okay, And every other

453
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:22.039
shot it's it's somewhat target side of
the ball, yeah, and into the

454
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:26.599
ground like it was all like a
typical short iron or wedge, you want

455
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:29.640
to be like a quarter inch into
the dirt, yeah, and three or

456
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:30.839
four inches in front of the ball. That's where the low point should be,

457
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:34.160
like on a wedge or like a
nine ern. Yeah, so it's

458
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:42.079
different for every club correctly. So
wow, So then you get into a

459
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:47.480
ball position. Now, interestingly enough, I've been holding this email that I

460
00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:51.759
got from a listener rich Um,
and he says, the most difficult thing

461
00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:57.279
to do correctly shot after shot is
find the precise proper ball position, and

462
00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:01.279
the difference between correct and ink can
be such a slight fraction of an inch.

463
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:05.799
And I'm editing here. He says, as ken Venturi said, who

464
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:08.079
you brought up? Good golfers don't
get out of swing, they get out

465
00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:15.200
of position. So his question is, when a swing produces a poor shot,

466
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:19.599
why do we always blame the swing? Isn't the ball that is,

467
00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:24.680
its position relative to the swing path
at least equally at fault. No,

468
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:30.359
because that's one of those The conclusion
he reaches sort of an example of all

469
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:36.799
or nothing thinking or assigning responsibility to
one causal factor. If you know what

470
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:39.279
I know, after being the full
time feature for this is my thirty second

471
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:44.519
year, I think there's many many
other factors other than ball position that can

472
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:46.279
cause a bad shot. But yes, it is an important factor, but

473
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:49.960
it's not the only one. Lows. I work with guys all the time

474
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:52.759
who are twenty five handicaps who have
perfect ball position, and they still don't

475
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:57.079
They still can't make their low point
when they first come to see you were

476
00:32:57.240 --> 00:32:59.880
supposed to be. But that can
be part of it, for sure,

477
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:02.559
And then it can effect the starting
line direction. If the falls the balls

478
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:06.680
too far back in your stands and
you're right handed golfer, you could have

479
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:09.200
a you could have Rory McElroy's golf
swing, and your driver will go fifty

480
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:15.680
yards or more dead right because it's
too far back in your stands, which

481
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:17.880
means the club that is coming too
far from the inside when it strikes the

482
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:22.000
back of the ball right. So
part of it what he's saying is and

483
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:23.440
he's right about this, you have
you know, but the term tangent of

484
00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:30.119
the arc in geometry means nopetry.
Okay, Well, its if you have

485
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:32.680
a straight line, which is the
target line in the ground, our imaginary

486
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:37.119
line, and then you have another
another object that moves in an arc.

487
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:40.440
There's a point in time where the
arc intersects with the straight line. That's

488
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:44.240
called the tangent. Okay, right, So like the club that kind of

489
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:46.359
makes a little shallow arc like this, And you've got to make sure the

490
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:51.720
ball is right where it should be
on the ground so that you achieve a

491
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:55.039
neutral clubhead path at the moment of
impact. Right. And so if the

492
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:59.480
ball is too far forward in your
stance and your and your swing was perfect,

493
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:01.359
you're going to hit a pole to
the left. And if it's too

494
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:04.519
far back in your stats, you're
going to get a push to the right.

495
00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:07.880
I just had a student yesterday I
was doing the webcam lesson with and

496
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:10.440
that's what that's what his issue was. In fact, he's a regular listener

497
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:14.679
of your show. He's actually written
you about how much he likes your podcast.

498
00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:16.800
Oh sweet, I don't want to
say. His name is a confident

499
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:20.760
yellow. But he's from Pennsylvania.
Let's just let's just say that. And

500
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:22.559
he was on the range. I'm
doing it here, I am in Hawaii.

501
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:28.159
He's in Pennsylvania on the range thanks
to the magic of the internet.

502
00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:31.320
And you didn't get it disconnected?
When how could you do with him?

503
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:39.320
And no, because his name was
printed so hey, So he says he

504
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:43.480
hits three balls in a row and
the way he had the camera said if

505
00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:46.480
I could, because it was there
was this this team mark or separator like

506
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:51.159
on the driver engine the way,
I couldn't quite see his clubhead. So

507
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:54.159
I was looking at a swing and
he had three pushes that went thirty forty

508
00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:57.519
yards right and the swing looked good. I know what a push looks like

509
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:00.760
watching the body right now, where
I right shoulder goes really low on the

510
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:05.480
on the down swing, that usually
means it's a push, right, okay,

511
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:08.519
because how your spine tilts affects the
path. If you tilt too much

512
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:12.519
to the right and you're riding at
golfer and the pass going to be into

513
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:15.199
out causing the push. He didn't
show that, and I said, you

514
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:17.800
gotta I said, man, you
gotta adjust the camera so I can see,

515
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:21.880
so then I can see where the
ball was. And this ball was

516
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:24.199
like five inches too far back in
the stands and we immediately corrected it,

517
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:29.440
and that was it. He started
straight drive after straight drive fixed it immediately,

518
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:32.559
So it is. It is one
of those easy things to fix.

519
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:36.320
And I said to him, I
said, you need to put alignment stick

520
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:38.440
down on the ground for your ball
position. You'll almost never see a tour

521
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:43.280
pro without two strips in the ground, one for the target line and one

522
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:45.960
for the ball position, because they
even they get it wrong and sometimes the

523
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:49.679
caddy has to say, dude,
your ball positions at half a ball with

524
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:52.199
too far forward and too far back
in your stands on the tour prole,

525
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:54.039
No, it's not, and then
he'll get the camera out and show them.

526
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:58.480
They'll go, holy crap, you're
right. Wow, you know it's

527
00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:01.000
really common. Yeah wow, So
that's an easy thing to check your ball

528
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:07.000
position support? Great, yeah,
great, all right. Check what's happening

529
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:12.159
on Golf Smarter Mulligans this week we'll
bright back. This week on Golf Smarter

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Mulligans is our final episode in our
annual Tony Manzoni series to help you launch

531
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your new golf season. This episode, called There's No Pressure in Golf,

532
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:27.679
It's All Perception, covers topics like
choosing the right club off the tea balance

533
00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:34.239
and how we may be putting too
much emphasis on distance over accuracy. Lee

534
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:37.320
Trevino once was talking about playing with
Nicholas and how far and Nicholas hit it

535
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:40.559
compared to everybody else, and he
says, so when I played with Nicholas

536
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:44.320
I would try to hit the ball
two hundred and thirty yards off the tea,

537
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:46.920
and when I did that, I
hit it about two seventy's. When

538
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:50.800
I tried to hit a two seventy, I hit a two thirty. That's

539
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:53.519
just such great wisdom, because that's
so much the truth. How many times

540
00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:57.280
have we get up on a par
five and it's a long one, so

541
00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:00.599
we're gonna give it that extra and
when you throw it from the top and

542
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:02.119
we get a little steep with it, we pop it straight up in the

543
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:06.519
air like a wedge, or we
hit a way right or way left.

544
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:09.639
There's a speed that you have to
get used to with the driver, and

545
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:14.280
a lot of it has to do
with the focusing on any thought of hitting

546
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:17.800
and swinging from point eight to point
being in a rhythm that you can keep

547
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:20.920
your balance. If you do that
with the driver, are you going to

548
00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:23.039
keep the ball and play most of
the time? That's Golf Smarter. Mulligan's

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episode two hundred eight, the final
episode in our series featuring our friend and

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mentor Tony Manzoni. Once again,
your ongoing feedback has been confirmation that this

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series is worth sharing. To launch
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Every time we do this, you
get better. Thank you. Curiously.

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Think about it, if your golf
swing was as good as your podcasting skill,

560
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:25.840
you'd be like a plus three hindicap. Wouldn't that be cool? You

561
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:31.760
know, I don't know what to
do with that line? But how does

562
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:36.440
all this what we talk about?
Because this comes up a lot stack and

563
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:39.639
tilt versus this single pivot. Where
are you with stack and tilt? What

564
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:43.840
does it mean to you? And
yeah, I'm not a fan of stack

565
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:46.119
Untilt. I think I know a
little about the background because I was working

566
00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:51.719
with Mac O'Grady in the same golf
school that the two founders of Stack untiltre

567
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:55.119
and I know enough about the more
A system, Machelgrady system to know that

568
00:38:55.199 --> 00:39:00.360
he has nine trajectority teaches and the
ninth. The ninth trajectory is a low

569
00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:04.639
low. So there's a low trajectory, a mid trajectory high, and with

570
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:07.320
each of those three there's a low
low, a mid low, and high

571
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:10.079
Love for example. And it's basically
it's a punch shot. And so they

572
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:15.360
took what was designed to be a
more or less a specialty shot or maybe

573
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:17.840
if you played in a super windy
environment like you know, like Scotland or

574
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:22.800
something, and they turn it into
a straight a swing instruction system. I

575
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:30.320
think because it for high handicappers it
produces almost immediate improvement in every club from

576
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:35.000
like a wedge too, maybe a
six hundred where you have to hit down

577
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:37.280
and then as the clubs get longer, you have to hit less down.

578
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:39.880
It didn't work well, and it
didn't work really well at all, especially

579
00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:45.039
with the driver. So for a
really high handicap, it kind of made

580
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:46.599
sense that that would help them in
the short term. But you know,

581
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:51.719
it's like I believe that golf instructors
should take a hypocritic oath, like doctors

582
00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:54.840
should take first do no harm.
The goals should be to help that person

583
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:58.480
play better golf, not just for
the next day, six months, but

584
00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:00.920
for maybe the rest of their life. So you want you always want to

585
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:04.880
think, as an instructor, what
can I do help this person be headed

586
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:08.280
in the right direction long term as
well as short term. It's a balancing

587
00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:13.320
act, and I think they emphasize
too much the short term results for high

588
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:15.639
handicaps, And of course that's what
happened. They worked with one of the

589
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:20.239
instruction editors at Golf Digests who was
a twenty eight handicap at the time,

590
00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:23.320
and it really helped them a lot. So they did two cover stories in

591
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:29.239
a row, and that's how they
got famous. Interesting, Yeah, but

592
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:34.760
now I think it's an extreme example
of binary thinking. It's most of the

593
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:38.559
example most swing corrective drills, which
is another way of saying when you're working

594
00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:42.880
on a swing flow not the only
way, but the primary way is It's

595
00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:45.719
like the old joke people say,
how do you teach a high handicap wher

596
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:47.840
to stop slicing? And the answers, you teach them to hook, right,

597
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:51.960
you teach them to way you teach
them to hook it. Okay,

598
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:57.679
The opposite and most most swing corrective
instruction is based on that opposite principle,

599
00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:00.519
move the needle in the opposite direction. I think is I want you to

600
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:04.320
know what the middle is on the
spectrum. So if one is a flaw,

601
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:08.280
let's say one is increasing your spine
angle right closer to the ground,

602
00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:14.800
and ten is the opposite flaw standing
up, and the model the idea would

603
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:16.760
be in the middle, that would
be five. Right. But if you're

604
00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:21.119
standing up, which would almost all
amateurs do for a variety of reasons,

605
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:23.840
And if I say to you,
stay down, stay level, you might

606
00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:27.360
go from a ten to nine.
But if I say, try to try

607
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:30.880
to lower your chest eight inches to
the ground, which would be a flaw,

608
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:34.159
if you did it, you might
stay level. But you might say,

609
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:37.000
wait, I you said I stayed
You know I dipped eight inches,

610
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:39.880
and I show the guy in the
video you didn't dip at all. Right.

611
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:45.000
We call that brain boundary learning,
or moving the needle right. And

612
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:47.360
so you have to know when you're
working on swing flaws when to back off

613
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:52.719
and stop taking the medicine basically because
otherwise it could create the opposite flaw.

614
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:54.719
Right, And I see this,
even though I warn't against this. I

615
00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:58.239
still see it a lot, a
lot in my teaching. People go from

616
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:01.719
one experien or the other and they
do that during a round of golf sometimes.

617
00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:06.840
Yeah yeah, yeah, Oh it's
not working today, so I'm going

618
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:10.199
to do something completely opposite. Really, yeah, exactly. Yeah. You

619
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:14.079
might think you don't try to change
your swinging the golf course. Play play

620
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:15.639
with the flaws. You have fixed
them. All the fixing has to be

621
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:20.480
done off the golf course, right. Absolutely, easy to say, hard

622
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:22.440
to do, no question, but
it is the right thing to do.

623
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:28.079
H. You mentioned Mac O'Grady a
minute ago. Um, and you must

624
00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:32.480
know Kevin Robolski, who who we
had on the show just recently, because

625
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:36.960
he's in Hawaii right now, you're
in Hawaii. Um, yeah, I

626
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:38.320
think he still I could be wrong, but he might be stole in Coali.

627
00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:43.239
He was the teaching public course for
Yeah, he's he's running the course

628
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:45.960
now. Oh is he really interesting? Yeah? And he was assistant pro

629
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:50.880
under under our buddy Greg nichols who's
the director of Golf where I teach Colina.

630
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:55.039
Right, Greg the opener, and
I wanted to thank you for introducing

631
00:42:55.079 --> 00:43:00.639
me to Greg. He introduced me
to Kevin and I've asked Greg multiple times

632
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:06.239
to be on the show and he
will not. I'm gonna keep working on

633
00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:09.079
he is, Seriously, he is
one of the greatest resources on golf that

634
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:13.559
I know of. He knows so
many top people in the industry. Yeah,

635
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:17.800
Oh he's good. He's the people, but he won't talk to Yeah.

636
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:21.719
He's a really good teacher. He
really understands the game. He's really

637
00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:25.159
good on the mental side. He's
good PUDs with with Paul Azinger and Scott

638
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:29.760
Simpson. He talks to them about
like what it's like playing in mad and

639
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:32.320
winning majors. I mean Paul on
one and I think Scott one two US

640
00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:37.480
opens if I remember right. So
he's his knowledge of the game is amazing.

641
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:40.960
He Ke'd be great to help on. Yeah. Should I talk about

642
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:44.159
the yips we had. We got
a couple of were inutes on the YIPS

643
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:46.400
shift. I'm calling it. Sure, I was gonna, I was gonna

644
00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:51.760
ask you about I had two more
things on my list, but let's let's

645
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:57.199
do yips because that's your than the
interesting thing that I'm this will blow your

646
00:43:57.239 --> 00:44:00.360
mind. There's been a big change, and I called the yips cultures for

647
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:05.599
one of a better term, which
is we get a podcast three years ago

648
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:09.039
and the title of the podcast was
you never yips, You never experienced a

649
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:13.880
yip without a ball. And now
I've had five people in the last year

650
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:19.119
who have and not mild hips,
but almost as severe on a practice swing

651
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:23.239
as with the ball. Multiple So
I'm seeing an increase in the overall incidence

652
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:27.559
of people contacting me for yips.
And I don't think it's just because of

653
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:30.440
my reputation is getting better, that's
a little bit. I think it's it's

654
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:35.719
it's becoming more common in the game, right and the severity has gone up,

655
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:37.800
way up. This used to get
normally at ninety percent of my hip

656
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:40.400
students would have one year. At
some point this wing might be a back

657
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:44.719
swing, yet more typically a forward
swing or forward stroke yep. Now I'm

658
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:49.519
getting people with three or four or
five yips per swing. It's like it

659
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:52.960
really is amazing. And to the
point where I've had these five people.

660
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:55.119
Now, one of them came to
see me at Quail Valley where you and

661
00:44:55.199 --> 00:45:02.360
I were about twelve years ago.
Swing. He gets a lefty and his

662
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:06.639
first few swings were done without a
ball, and they were so bad.

663
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:10.639
He had like about five or six
yips per practice swing. I mean you

664
00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:15.159
remember what Charles Barkley looked like with
the ball? Yeah, like ten times

665
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:19.639
worse than that. Oh ouch.
And I said to myself in my mind,

666
00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:21.559
I said, oh, I'm good
at this, but I'm not an

667
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:24.639
f and miracle work. There is
no way. And then I heard him

668
00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:28.920
watch my head say James switched him
over to being a writer because I got

669
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:31.239
my bag at club sitting there and
I said, dude, would you be

670
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:36.840
open at switching signs and playing right? Here's my seven iron? Wait he

671
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:39.559
took. He was a left handed
golfer, and I switched him over to

672
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:43.280
righting and fixed his chips instantly.
But wait, wait, wait, wait

673
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:45.119
zo like when he was a kid, did he play baseball? And he

674
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:49.440
was a switch hitter, because if
you handed me a left handed club,

675
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:52.239
I'd like I'd look like a you
know, a two year old. He

676
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:55.000
was dominant. He was a dominant
left employer. He's from Canada. He

677
00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:59.039
played, he played hockey left hand. He was a lefty his whole life,

678
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:01.840
whole life. He also a good
athlete, which helps. It definitely

679
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:05.920
helps. But you suggested try this
right handed? And he had a good

680
00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:08.320
swing, and he had it was
it was if you saw him swing his

681
00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:12.320
very first swing, writing without a
ball, you would think he was maybe

682
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:16.400
a ten handicap or better. He
took about half a dozen swings. I

683
00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:20.400
teed up a ball short on a
short tea. His first shot when one

684
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:24.000
hundred and forty five yards dead straight
in the air with a seven yard get

685
00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:29.039
this. Six weeks later he shot
seventy eight as a writing, oh my

686
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:31.679
god, he still puts lefty,
but everything else he does right, So

687
00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:35.039
he's got it. He had to
get obviously, homing bang clubs. He

688
00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:37.840
could be a care I'm sure he
didn't care. It's like, oh yeah,

689
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:42.159
he said no, it would take
us. It might take you two

690
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:45.280
years to get over the yips because
you had so many mechanical flaws on top

691
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:51.519
of the yip. And he had
five different hips. Because what most people

692
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:53.000
do, which is wrong, is
when they get the yips, they go

693
00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:59.280
to traditional golf teachers who diagnose it
incorrectly as a mechanical flaws, and so

694
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:01.519
they filled their had with swing thoughts. And now they're not going you know,

695
00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:05.400
they're not going external. They're going
internal in the worst possible way.

696
00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:07.559
The worst time. They know they
can't. They don't know what to do

697
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:14.239
with body and club. They're completely
confused, right. So so in this

698
00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:16.440
case, he was completely open to
it. And I had one of the

699
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:20.199
actually can't tell you the guy's name, but okay, let's just say that

700
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:23.039
he's one of the top high school
players in the country and now playing college

701
00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:27.800
golf, and he had a pretty
severe case of putting hips. He went

702
00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:30.360
through my online program. He was
about ninety percent cured, but every once

703
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:34.719
in a while he was still of
a mild Yep. He said to me

704
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:37.440
one day, what if I just
switched over. It's just the final cure,

705
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:42.079
that last little step she's putting lefty. And he did, and that

706
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:45.719
was it. That that final change
from going from righty to lefty, that

707
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:47.920
was it. That put the nail
in the coffin for his chips. Wow,

708
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:52.920
it's pretty interesting. Yeah, So
at some point, will either of

709
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:59.199
these guys go back. I don't
and think like, okay, good,

710
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:02.400
I've got that. That's the way
in my past. Now, well,

711
00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:06.159
I know what people have tried to
do that. If people I've worked with

712
00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:08.239
the hips, they've tried doing that, they always come back. It's pretty

713
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:14.360
amazing how the yips can stick around
in the unconscious memory. Yeah, yeah,

714
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:15.880
And a lot of that has to
do with one of the main what

715
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:19.920
I call the main fuels. There's
about five main fuel tanks, and one

716
00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:22.119
of them is called fear of yipping. So when someone has yips, they

717
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:25.519
reach a point maybe six months into
it, a year into it, five

718
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:29.320
years into it, where they're not
even that concerned about hitting the bad shot

719
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:32.760
anymore. They have fear of actually
yipping, So they're more afraid of the

720
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:37.519
yip happening than they are the bad
shot that the standard yip would produce.

721
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:39.679
Interesting and I call that fear of
yipping, which then fuels it. So

722
00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:44.480
one of the obviously one of the
cures is you have to yip on purpose

723
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:47.519
to get over to break the cycle. And of course if you're hipping on

724
00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:52.360
purpose, it's not truly a yip, because yips are one hundred percent in

725
00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:57.159
voluntary. There's a saying, and
I think we've talked about this in the

726
00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:00.920
past, there's a saying in this
speech pathology community that stud or one form

727
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:06.039
of stuttering happens when the stutterer tries
not to stutter. Sure it triggers you.

728
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:09.519
So when you try not to yip
with emotion not mentally. That's different.

729
00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:12.599
But when you try not to yip
with almost if you have fear of

730
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:15.920
yipping, it's like you're telling your
subconscious time to yip, and you and

731
00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:21.679
your body does. I remember when
I used to ride bicycles, and this

732
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:23.480
was all the way up into my
forties. I mean, I haven't ridden

733
00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:25.760
a bicycle in a long time because
I just have too many friends that are

734
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:30.559
falling off their bicycles. So but
I remember when I used to ride bicycles

735
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:34.880
and I had to go through a
narrow spot. All of a sudden,

736
00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:37.480
I was shaky on the bike.
I mean, like I'm you know,

737
00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:39.320
I was confident as a kid.
I was riding with no hands, no

738
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:43.079
problem or anything. But then all
of a sudden, no, I'm thinking,

739
00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:47.840
I'm don't don't mess this up and
bang exactly. Yeah. Or like

740
00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:52.039
driving a car, if you if
you're not experienced, if you go skiing

741
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:55.199
and you live in the stay like
Portland's where it doesn't hardly ever snows in

742
00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:58.880
the winter and it melts off within
a day, and you go to Mount

743
00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:04.239
Hood where it's I see rhoads,
and you're not experienced driving, people tighten

744
00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:07.039
up so they get driving you have
sort of speak, right yep, yeah,

745
00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:09.880
so that that's one. That's another
one of the main fuels. A

746
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:14.480
little zero confidence is there's another one
of the main fuel tanks that drives the

747
00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:21.480
yips. Unbelievable. Um, always
entertaining, always educational. Are we done

748
00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:24.000
another question? Well, no,
no, we're wrapping it up here.

749
00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:30.000
Um, tell people again how to
get in touch with you. But let's

750
00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:35.000
point golf dot com. That's the
easiest way, easiest way, and Jim

751
00:50:35.079 --> 00:50:38.480
will have no technical issues with you. It's just me. There's just you.

752
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:45.880
Yeah, okay, man, all
right, thank you Fred, thanks

753
00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:50.440
for having me on again. And
um, well if this is the thirty

754
00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:53.360
second year of you teaching and this
is your thirty second appearance, right,

755
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:57.599
next year we'll have to do only
one appear No, we're going to do

756
00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:00.800
more than one. We always do
more than one. All right, Well,

757
00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:01.960
we'll talk to you soon, all
right, thanks to take care.

758
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:09.719
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759
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761
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764
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766
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767
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768
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769
00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:09.800
fan of beef jerky itself, the
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770
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I've tried it now and I'm really
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771
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:21.239
end of your next round or have
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772
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773
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We're in the countdown for episode nine
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786
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