Hey, hello, and welcome to building a mystery. I'm your host,
ephemeral legazi Boo, I got you. That's my thing. Whitney as always
as my co host and total equal in every way, with the exception of
a few racist comments. Paula scream hi to y'all. Now, I think
we can all look past them racial comments, and I think that we can
just move on to the things that are important, like incorporeal food. Boo.
She nailed it all right. Today I'm building a mystery. We'll be
building a real favorite. Everybody loves this. You bring your friends over,
you want to have a party. This is a piece of urban legend with
falsified internet history to make it seem ancient, going back to the Middle Ages.
Everybody, I just love this. I serve it every Halloween to all
my guests and they all just go out of the damn minds for it.
True words never spoken there, Paula. I mean, my friends lose there
when I make this. It's a classic recipe. It borrows a little something
old, something new. It's like the wedding of recipes for scary people.
That it is. Paula. Once again, you have mailed it all right,
So for this mystery. What we're gonna start with is your stand in
thin watery ghost tail base. Okay, then we're gonna spooking up a notch
boo. We're gonna add in some white lies. Okay, it's really gonna
change the flavor. Well, if there's any lies that are the best,
damns the wines, why even Italian's like you can enjoy that playing with fire,
Paula, Speaking of which, I'll turn the oven onto four twenty five.
Thank you. Now to this thin watery ghost story base. We got
some white lies going in there. Now we're gonna add some creepy pasta.
Now I know what you're thinking, what is that? I had the same
question, Paula. Tell them about creepy pasta. Creepy pasta is the best
cause there ain't no GMOs in there. You get all the flavor, all
the texture, double the price, and you gotta you gotta spend if you
want to impress. That's what I always say, spend to impress. Okay,
yeah, you're really coming to that, Paula. I was going for
more like creepy pasta is ghost stories told by kids who played Mario Brothers too
much anyway, and then you're gonna add a falsified backstory on the Internet,
including photo manipulated manuscripts and dutchings from the Middle Ages. Now where I come
from in the South, if you want to manipulate a photo, you're gonna
have to get the scissors out. Well, not this recipe. You can
do it all on paula screen dot com. I don't know how the hell
to use the Internet, but they tell me it's on there, so I
think you should go on there. Give it a looky, go to paula
scream dot com. Go to ephemeral legassi dot org slashing that. All right,
so we've got our base in there, we got our ingredients. We're
gonna throw that in the oven at four twenty five. Thank you, Paula.
All right, and uh now, while with that cooks, let's talk
a little bit about falsified in that history urban legends. I like to reduce
falsified urban history legends down to a nice, uh simmering broil. And then
I like to put in just a few old moth eaten raiments from the cemetery
just down the street. Chop local. All right, now, now you
like to you like to you like to boil down history a little bit dow.
I mean, for example, one thing that didn't make your reduction the
Holocaust. You don't believe in it. I don't believe it adds anything to
the flavor of history when you're putting it in your meals. Now, I
like to replace it with some muslim soaked in butter. Just slather it on
there. If you don't slather, something's the matter? Right you up?
Paula and as Johnny Cochrane taut America. If it rhymes, it has to
be true. Who now, a'll all basse heats up? Paula. Paula's
chopping up a little bit of extra something. We're gonna spook it up.
And notch boom, Paula, what's you chopping up that? Into that?
I've got some glazed scarrets right here. I've used my family recipe from the
South. Basically, all they are as carrots covered in muslin, covered in
butter, slathered, because if you don't slather, it don't matter right phrase
that fhemall you shut up? Don't you dare use it? That's from the
South. Boo boo boo, spook it up? And notch, how's it?
How's it? Taste in your mouth. Huh bet, it doesn't taste
like it's from the south. All right, back it down there, Paula.
So these carrots are gonna be put in here right after it comes out
of the oven. You just want to slide them on in there. They're
gonna be hot and ready. You're gonna be hot and ready the oven.
It's gonna be hot, so don't touch it. But it don't matter because
you probably did. All Right, we got a basse coming out. You
notice it's reduced nicely. It's got a nice thin gloss to it. Now
I'm gonna pull this up. Damn it. That's hot, all right.
Our mystery is cooling nice late. Now we're gonna reincorporate that with a little
bit. Now early on, I held back some of the thin watery base.
We're gonna reincorporate that, and it's gonna provide a really nice uh sauce
for our mystery. You're just gonna want to suck it out of the dish
once it's done. It's gonna be that boom. Suck it right out of
the dish. All right, here we go. I'm gonna serve this up
now. Actually, I'm using my mom's nice plates for this, Paula,
because you're you're, as always an added guest. It's a special day,
says my mom's china. Uh, don't break it. There you're going.
There is a heap in helping in this mystery for you. I got,
I got plenty for me. You got spoon a little extra sauce. I'm
already done good. Could he use a little bit more Muslim Kevin and butter
slathered. I have yet to taste it, and yet we are out of
time, so I will have to take your word for it, Paula.
So for this episode of building a mystery, I'm boom ephemeral Legazi with me
as always, my lovely co host, Paula screamed, Paula, say good
night. Paula is occupied with what I think is a dish rag. Good
night, everybody, evening. Welcome to a racially charged episode Blue Fodo.
Oh you can't. You can't do that person without yeah, without touching the
subject. Nope, that's why she's famous. I mean that in the butter
Lording, Lord, where's my butter Messiah? And then I felt like,
I mean, it felt like you know that part and that everyone the scariest
part in the first Lord of the Rings, or maybe it was the last
one where where kindly old Bilbo gets like crazy face about the ring and like
when Paula Deane lost all that weight and then she just looked like that all
the time. That's the My sister was a I mean, I'm I'm ambivalent.
Cooking shows, there's that one woman whose name I can't pronounce, and
she looks like she's got the alien in her mouth Chiata. She looks like
she I thought she was famous just for being like an attractive She's good looking,
but when she smiles, it's like the alien smiling, and I swear
there's a smaller alien head in her mouth that goes ting ting ting. Wow.
I don't care who I hurts. Had a long discussion today about the
importance of anti defamation insurance or I think it's just defamation insurance. I got
it. Oh we should get it for this, but yeah whatever, fine
me bitches. Oh he does not kill who he hurts. I'm David Stacco,
I'm David Flora. That'll help your search. Yeah, there you go.
You've already found blurry photos, Yes you did, And we're building a
mystery no, we don't build them. We just we just write the manuals.
We're the technical writers for the mystery industry, the miss the mindustry,
mindustry, mindistry, then industry. H yeah, well we're off to that
start. Yeah. I hello everybody. I'm happy to be back from my
mystical trip from beyond time and space. You went, you went across a
state? Yeah, on two wheels. I was a righteous participant in rag
Bry, which stands for the Registers Annual Great Bike Ride across Iowa, four
hundred and eighteen miles of pure Northern Iowa deliciousness and fun this year. Wow.
You you rode through hell and back. It was only crappy one day,
one bad day weather. Other than that, it was glorious and fun
and everyone was nice and I kept I got the idea once I was already
out there, which was too late because it's not like you can go to
a craft shop once it starts. And I even tried to attach a sign
to my back that said asked me about the unknown, and yeah no I
the sign wouldn't stay on, and when it finally blew off, I was
like, I'm not stopping my bike to go back and get it. That's
just me littering now. Um but no, it was a lot of fun
and it was it was cool. I'm gonna do it again next year.
I'm going to talk to mister Flora into doing it with me. He's gonna
try to talk that's right doing. And I'm gonna talk all of our listeners
into doing it. We can make a blurry photos team. That'd be fun.
Yeah. Fun. You guys can be like, hey, Stecco,
be funny and I'll be like, you shut up. It was just stupid,
you know what? You know what? The only thing I can think
of, and that is giving you the listener. The tip if you ever
meet a comedian, a stand up and improviser, a person who does sketch
comedy, never ever ever say the phrase say something funny. It's the worst
thing you can say to a person. Yeah, nobody comes up to you
and asks you to do their taxes immediately, you right there on the spot.
If you're a fan of Dead Eyed Stairs, however, you'll find few
or more effective tools. That's true. Any there you go, there's there's
your psah. So don't don't ask Dave to say something funny. But because
we'll talk about the unknown and all all ride long. Yep. Now,
let me ask you this, was it worse on your cardio system or was
it worse on your your muscles doing this? Um? You know what I
truth be told neither. The worst part is what I will uphimistically refer to
as one's saddle. You need you need, Like I trained for this for
a while, and I realized pretty early on. It's the training. I
mean, it helps to you know, be ready, like get your body
ready to ride a lot. I mean it's like it averages out to like
it's seventy miles a day or so. Like what you need is leathern nethers.
Like the real payoff for a lot of training is it just gets you
used to being in a bike seat for a very long time. And that's
that's really what you need. You can't afford to have like saddle sores or
anything. And I didn't. I Like I came out fine with that,
and I think that was that's the hardest part. Like you get tired occasionally,
but you you know, you you're you're very used to it and it
and it you recover instantly from it. But it's the it's the being on
a bike seat for you know, six hours a day, and you have
breaks and you get off a lot. But that's that's the real gem of
training, is to get ready to be on a bike seat all day.
Leathern nethers, leathern nethers, that's my um trademark phrase. You can't have
it. It's mine, Flora. What are you got going on? Oh
god, I'm the opposite, the other end of the spectrum. Through my
through my back out. Poor guy getting better, re threw it out.
So it's uh, it's it's not the best. In fact, it maybe
the opposite of that. Yeah. I mean, if anyone who's ever hurt
their back knows that, there's it's just the worst. You can't you can't
write a letter without your back hurting. Um. So, just trying to
deal with that wampam mp whamp. But some fun stuff on the horizon,
including Ridden Fair. That's right, it's time for us to Jenny back in
time to a world before refudgeration. Yeah, we're gonna go to Renfair and
man be Asholes the When we first started this podcast, that's right, it
was one one of our one of our first episodes was after a long day
at ye old rind Fair. Yeah. Maybe was it our actual first?
Maybe our second? It may have I think it was, yeah, second
or third? Yeah, I think it was Jersey Devil for Jersey some reason.
I think that's what it was. One of those, one of those
first few. And here we are two years later, two damn years leader
two years and did we have two of anything else? Flora? We had
one of something? Last year we were finalists for a PARSEC Award. Oh
well, I wonder if that'll ever happen again. We're a finalist for a
PARSEC Award. A kid, that's right. I haven't sent us our our
our badge, our image, our button, our our button yet, but
we're just go on and say it. We're finalists again. Yeah. We
made the shortlist for podcast nominations. Yep. We are up for best Fact
behind the Fiction Podcast. That's right, because the best part behind the fiction
category was taken. It's taken my NASA again only enough. Yeah, those
guys they cover a lot of ground there. NASA. Yep, got some
stiff competition again this year, so we're looking forward to it. I'm ready
to throw down. I will tell you right now. I have not booked
a trip more plane or a bus. No more Heart of Darkness explorations into
your own madness. Nope, no more watching the sun rise from Nashville.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and no no Dragon con But uh yeah,
I'm okay with that. It was it was real crowded. Yeah,
we're going to our We're going to go to the our own magnificent rent ren
ren con Um. So well, yeah, if we we We've got some
some costume ideas. If we decide to go through with that, we'll put
some pictures up of that. Yeah. Once again, the time bug,
when you try to catch it, it just flies right on out the window,
tempest fugeoning all over your face. Um. And I don't think I'll
have a costume ready, although we've got some pretty sweet ideas. I got
a whole week. We've got a whole week to put it together. Whole
week we're gonna do everything else. It'll be great, it'll be great.
So yeah, that's not what you're here. Yeah, I know you don't
care about our costuming plans, nor do you care about making a mystery.
No, but you care about other things in the Midwest, that's right,
Not rinfairs, not rag bries. How about monks, monks, mounds.
How about old ass civilizations you didn't even know existed? That's right? How
about a North American native civilization that rivaled the Mayans? What Cookia the cookiest
place on earth? You burned it? That's right? Ever heard of it?
I hope not, because that'll make things more interesting, real weird if
you. Yeah, Cahokia Uh located not just across the Old River from a
place we call Saint Louis these days, That's what I've heard. Uh,
in the same state we're in right now. Yep, however far away,
probably the opposite end of where we are. Ye, had we time and
vehicle, we might take a field trip down there. Yeah. So yeah,
maybe in the near future. But how about we tell you what the
hill Cahokia is? Who lived there, what happened to him? Why?
Why don't more people know about it? M And what's great about this?
Cahokia is? Is an awesome fit for a subject for us? Yeah?
Because I mean, for one thing, it's it's a relatively unknown side of
huge importance history is there. We we love we love covering that aspect of
subjects. It's also a delicious mystery. Yeah, there's there's a uh,
it's it's a giant. Its highest point forty thousand people. That that was
not rivaled again in North America until seventeen eighty, that's right, And so
I mean it was. This was a huge place. It was, it
was a very important and almost no one knows anything about it. It was
completely abandoned by the time European settlers came to the New World. Will will
by the time. Yeah, let's give you an overview of this place.
At its height, Cahokia was a sprawling metropolitan center of culture and commerce located
just outside of present day Saint Louis, Missouri. It was so big and
important. How big was it? Well, like you said, another city
of its magnitude pop pop wouldn't exist for almost six hundred years, and that
that was that was in seventeen eighty, Like you said, Philadelphia at the
times, like Filly Motown, Failly back again. But every every source,
this is something I don't know if you've had this trouble or not, but
you you threw out the number of people as forty thousand. Every source that
I read, I was careful to say, and maybe I don't I say
I say that, No, maybe I didn't, I said, as much
as that's that forty thousand is the the upper end of the spectrum you think,
so I spectrum. I guess I didn't realize how big your good spectrum
was, Flora. I'm surprised you couldn't see it coming from Amla. Why
don't you spread that big spectrum floor? Let me see it, Jesus,
that was too far. Don't ever say the word spread in America unless it's
from Muslim. Everything that I read had a different number, Literally everything I
read. I have four books, at least four books in my collection that
talked about Kahokia. Every one of them said said a different number. I
got anywhere between six thousand and one hundred thousand. Jesus, I saw the
six thousand is like a low, but I never got out of forty.
I think it's hard to know because it was comprised of so many small satellite
villages right in addition to the to the center which is now called Kahokia.
And so I think it's it may be a bit unfair to try and to
try and really put a number, because where where's the boundary? Where do
you stop counting? Yeah? What what? It stops being the city,
what starts being a suburb? And exactly at what point, you know,
when do you say, oh, this was the moment that we're doing our
our fictional census. So it was big people and for the time, bigger
than the whole town you grew up in. Burn about the name though,
Cahokia. That wasn't even the name of this place. Oh you know what
the name was? What was it? No? I was hoping you would
because no one knows. No one knows. They were not, at least
to our understanding, illiterate people there. They left no writings aside from um,
you know, symbols and things like that on pottery shards, but there
was no cohesive writing system that anyone has been able to determine. Crazy.
The name Cahokia was given several centuries after its decline based on the tribes that
occupied the region when the Mississippi was explored by Hernando de Soto. So the
tribes there, I think had the name Cahokia when he came, you know,
busting up the river and it's just like, well, this this place
is big and important, dying, what's what all these Cahokians. So,
archaeologists have dated the civilization to have exists did between six hundred and thirteen hundred
CE, with the height being somewhere around the range of twelve hundred. Yeah,
some of the research that I saw had at the decline kind of push
a little bit further back that it started to really jump the shark around thirteen
hundred, right, Yeah, I mean basically ten ten fifty to twelve fifty
you're in you're in the good depth zone for this place, high Cotton.
You're you're living the good urban life. And then after that it's just sort
of the roller coaster starts sad trombones. Yeah. Now, if if this
weren't cool enough for you, Cahokia adds more mystique with its main features large
earthen mounds, yes, up to one hundred and twenty in number of various
shapes, various sizes, and various uses. Plus at least one would hinge
on its western edge. Yep, would hinge. There. The largest mound
called Monk's Mound because there is some Trappist monks that lived there. Briefly,
they just just stuck there. Nineteenth century, they found a structure on top
that came out to be about a five thousand square foot What they they're not
one hundred percent sure. They think maybe it was like functionally the governor's mansion
may have been at the home for the leader. There's also in the center
of I mean not the center, but centrally located in a very prime real
estate position for Kahokia, a sports arena of sorts. They have a big
playing field, huge plaza. And this is one of the things that made
Kahokia very interesting. Is Chunky Chunky Chunky h u n k e y.
It was a sport. It was a game that was played, and it
was wildly popular throughout a huge part of North America. It was not just
played here, although this is like where the NFL of Chunky clearly happened.
I mean, it was a very big part of day to day life gambling
operations. Um organized play, and the premise of it is um. A
guy rolls a disc um that is uh something of a target. He rolls
it and then the other players throw spears into the ground where they think it'll
stop. And this is I mean, this is a This is before they
had whoop and a stick, before they had like a ball ball on a
string with a cup um And so this was a huge, huge, pastime.
Yeah. People would would bet their entire life savings on this game.
I mean it's just like people gambling now. People would kill themselves after a
string of losses in Chunky, and they'd play this thing all damn all damn
day. It wasn't until the ten twenty that they installed nightlights. And that's
right, just huge fires. Yeah, a bunch of guys fighting. I
don't like the torches thruining the game. Um no they have. Don't advertise
your maze here, that's right. I can't see over the top of my
my, my mud hut because of your ads. I'm gonna put I'm gonna
put some seats on the roof of my mud ut and charge people bunches of
shales to get up there. And then then the owner of the of the
Chunky arena was like, well, I might just move this team to Yucatan.
You know, I can't get any more breaks from the city government on
taxes. I the play of the player CapGain. You know, the Yucatan
Maze gobblers. It's like, what, we don't have maze here, how
does it? It's just like the Utah Jazz, Los Angeles Lakers. Oh
God, we spun that web. Yeah, we did so. But Chunky
Chunky was also an important thing, Uh, sociologically organized sports. I mean,
this was a huge thing, and it spread throughout all these other tribes.
It was one of those rare things that that everyone was into. Yeah,
it didn't matter what tribe you were from. Everyone had an opinion on
Chunky, and Germany was always when. Yeah, but you know, after
the biting episodes and Chunky, you had that Paul Chunky Chunky, Paul Chunky
Chunky. You got there. You're gonna get out in the parking lot.
You're gonna play some Chunky. Paul can't can't aim Ah, I mean not
mean two old, too old. I don't go for that. I don't
go for that Chunky the way the kids do with kids love that Chunky.
Now we've we've switched rolls. I think we can say we've done that.
Uh, cross it off and move on. Um So, around twelve fifty,
the civilization started a mysterious decline. But why By the mid thirteen hundreds
it was completely deserted. Yeah, they's at this place and all who don't
dwell in it? Yeah, and you you hit it Hawai? Why why?
Why? Santa Claus, but he knows. Yeah, there's a no.
I mean, like like any good mystery where no one knows. There's
a whole bunch of competing theories yep, which we'll get to at the end.
Yep, Yep, save that that Snicker's ball. Save that's snuggaball right
in the middle of that ball. Let's go through a little of the history
of this. Yeah, not that we're not knee deep in at all or
wow, but let's really I can't wait to play rabass with this mystery are
a little too Relatively recently, it's come to be known that a culture flourished
in pre Columbian America north of the hugely popular and wonderful civilizations in South America
and Meso America. Yep, you might have heard us mentioned the Mayans previously,
like five minutes ago, Aztecs, because I will say, I need
to stop the bus firs thing because everything that keeps saying North America. But
I'm in my mind, like a good American, I'm never including Mexico when
I say that. But Mexico is undeniably a part of North America's placam I
know, right, uh so sorry about that, but you get what I
mean. Uh, yeah, that's not going to go to jail for it
in America, not meso America. Yeah. This civilization is now known as
the Mississippian culture, named because of its development along the Mississippi River all away
from Wisconsin in the north to the Gulf of Mexico and Oklahoma to Georgia.
Um also famous and very notable for its extensive trading. Yes, um pee
things that were mine. One of the things that they were really into is
chirt, which is a type of rock that is very easily flaked. It's
it's really it's really great for making tools. Yea. And they found chirt
chirt. Get that pall shirt chirt that Dave so ch is. This is
this um you can you can you can nap it, you can flake it
to make bladed, spin it, twist it. Uh. But they've found
chert tools that they can even buy their design that were made at Cahokia.
They've found it in northern Minnesota, they found it up the east coast.
But they found these things everywhere. And and conversely, they've found trade items
from virtually all of North America, including Mexico. Oh in Cahokia. Wow,
it's pretty amazing. Now you might be wondering with me saying it developed
along the Mississippi. How did it got over to Georgia. Well, yeah,
it's spread over there. I mean that's a that's a thing like using
various rivers and the whole you know, spread gobbling up um tribes. As
as the culture moved along, it got that far basically, yeah, and
it's and it was. It's obviously there was a confluence there. But the
Cahokia is also it's not just on the Mississippi. It's also on the Missouri
and the Illinois River, right, so there's a lot of water. There's
a lot of coming into that area. Prefix spot could have built a three
rivers chunky stadium. Oh man, yep. The US once again, Pennsylvania
beats Kahokia for the Mississippian culture. The period was divided into three stages.
You had the Early Mississippi period, the Middle and the Late Mississippi period.
All that ran from roughly one thousand CE to fifteen forty. The middle one
is the high point. That's the one that Hookey is flourishing. Everybody's happy.
You're getting chert chirt out the wazoo. I'm a Churt baron um this.
I mean, I love that it was like such an important thing to
them and they gave like the name just says I don't matter, Chirt forget
me. Um. Now. Archaeologists have found evidence of smaller settlements in this
area going back as far as fifteen hundred BC. Yeah, but it but
just for the purposesn't everybody? Doesn't everybody? It cocy didn't become a big
deal until around six hundred Yeah. Well and truthfully not until around ten fifty
because there was some weird population explosion around then. People aren't sure why why
that was either, right, There's tons of theories about cultivation, food availability,
and that all comes back to the whole the Mississippi culture. This region
as it grew, it coalesced because of a few different factors that were um
kind of flying in the face of tradition as it were. It's marked as
as the time when agriculture took hold, Maze as a crop became big,
and u graft crafting gained prominence. A complex chiefdom system developed in addition to
permanent settlements and mound building that was that was a thing. But what this
is coming from is hunters and gatherers. You've got It's like we've seen maybe
at go Beckley Teppe. You know, people stop moving and start stopping.
Jesus. Yeah, they they they like, if there's plenty of woodlands,
there's plenty of everything there. People even nomadic tribes will move through that area
much slower or otherwise would until finally that's slowing just to like, eh,
I'll try it. Yeah, And then they figured out we can, we
can grow. The stuff comes back every year. It's enough to feed us.
That's all you need, man. And they had, uh, I
mean in the ability, the abilities that they gain once they stop. I
mean the nieces let time travelers. M one thing that they found it when
it was kind of an interesting story. It was discovered in the nineties and
it was from an excavation. It was um a copper forge. It was
for artisans working copper. Copper was a big thing. But what they was
more interesting is that actually they weren't the first people to discover it. It
had been discovered by an archaeologist in the fifties who then lost it couldn't find
it again, which like, how the how does that happen? But but
they found this brilliantly intact copper forge with lots of evidence of how they worked
it. And they m They used a process called a kneeling, which is
similar to how when you imagine a blacksmith with iron where it's heated, hammered
and it cools. You reheat it, you hammered at cools. And they
use this to make all kinds of things, um, personal decorative items,
um weapons in some cases, uh, tools, I mean, it's it's
just really fascinating. Yeah. Back when and again dip in our toe a
little bit, when conventional history books are telling you that there are savages roaming
the planes. These people have no true settlements, no way of life,
no no right, you know. And this is what we talked about.
This is one of my favorite things. Is this this this this crappy notion
that that everyone around the world was just stupid until Europe showed up. Yeah,
and it's it's frustrating and it's wrong, and it's it's irritating. Yeah,
it's it's completely self centered and dumb, is what it is. We'll
tell you a little bit here a little more about specifics. Uh. The
city was comprised of this central massive mound as we've said called Monks Mound.
Monks Mound was ten stories tall thirty meters. It covered about fourteen acres at
its base. It had terraced platforms and tapered sides. Um. It's it's
almost like you you take a pyramid and you slice off a little bit of
it. Yeah, built it smaller, Yeah, keeping going, But the
top of it was flat and apparently I guess it's it's actually bigger in size,
at least base wise than the Great Pyramid. Who you know, U
say, sorry, Mohammad Morsey go maze gobblers, Yo, maze gobblers.
Um. And these mounds they were of different sizes and they all had differing
usages. Um. Like I said, I mentioned that the you know,
there was the structure on top of Monk's Mound. There was the the mound
that had the the artisan the copper working areas. There were some mounds that
were used for burial um. And so there was which implies a fair amount
of civil engineering. Oh yeah, oh yeah, kool aid man, not
this time. Yeah, it's it's I didn't write now in the numbers on
this. Uh so look them up, but educate yourselves. It was monumental
because it was a monument God, because they had no apparently had no beasts
of hurden to to lug all this stuff along, so they had to do
it by baskets, by hand, and and and all of this earth,
all this earth moved into these these structures. I mean, I mean,
you know, there were some some rumors that that uh four Englishmen had made
it to Kahokiah and they were going to be made into sleeves. But they
you're doing a pun like they were like I'll never be your beast of burden,
never ever, okay, never be be uh, but by you stopped
the flow for just just a shy pon, Yes, burned it proudly.
This this took well, it took a long damn time. Some some places
one hundred, one hundred years or more. Um. This is keep in
mind these huge, huge, uh mounds, it's by the basketfull of dirt.
Yeah, I mean, it's just decades of intense labor these people,
you know, hauling and and I even saw where the places where they would
get their dirt are now like still lakes, like their man made lakes.
Yeah. So so people we were dumping these dirts, making these mounds,
dumping dirts, goblin, maize, and then and Monks Mound is thought to
be the residence of the chief or the king, who may have lived in
a home at the top of this heart. He was called the Pope.
Oh yeah, the the the Pope. Okay, that's enough of that.
It it also could have served as a temple center for important ceremonies. Um.
It's the largest man made mound north of of Old Mexico. Yeah,
North America, starting at the southern border of the United States. Now there
was one more mound there. What was that? Was that just for storing
like milk and eggs. Some of them did some of them did get stuff
stored underground. Um. Below, like we said, below Monks Mound,
there was this huge plaza that was about fifty acres. That's all it's.
It's it's a lot of a lot of space. It was called the copper
Dome. Brought brought to you by mound thirty two copper works. Keep them
hammers, keep them hammers, ringing boys. Shells are us, that's right,
and to it also brought you by small conical shells, the foundation of
our economy. Surrounding surrounding this plaza, there were huts. There were some
more mounds. All of it was ringed by this wooden wall. Yeah,
which implies military action or threats from outside. That does it does? It
also implies a separation between the halves and the want to halves. You might
know them as I have knots. You may have seen them in such places
as the mirror. That's where I see them. This is what free entertainment
sounds like. Beyond the wall. Farms and residences sprawled out from there.
And that's that's where we don't know the boundary really. Yeah, and not
to mention how much I was wondering about this, how much the city itself
had to sprawl out simply to acquire would oh would and to feed it.
Yeah, and apparently they partied. Well duh, Why I live in a
city if you can't party? Am all right? This is why I left
Douzeldolf and vancel ballin, because it has to party too much. Doozelo the
devivan Induzludo goes to bed like an old man in slump feet at eight o'clock.
Oh, but not for me, Induzeldolf. The music is like m
whom in Berlin's music is like wampam Susan Boyle, Susan Boiled. It's the
chart top of the scene. Yeah, and my favorite song is this was
just an e cool song called what If I Kicked You Into ding Ding?
It goes like this, what If I kicked ding Ding? What If I
kicked choo insot ding ding ding Ding? Whatt if I? What if I
if I ding ding? What If I kicked you into ding ding? Oh?
That's your music video. That is a hit song I heard. That's
the halftime show with the Chunky game. All right, Oh um, let's
talk about this would hinge real quick. Yeah, I've got a hinge.
I mean it's it's a more temporary hinge. It's more explicable. I get
how they hanged this one together. Yeah, this was just a little west
of Monk's Mound. Was made of forty eight posts in a four hundred ten
foot diameter circle, and it was maybe the third incarnation of this hinge.
Yeah, they found the post holes, Yeah, the post holes. The
first time they did it, it had twenty four posts. The next time
it had thirty six. Next time I had forty eight. They added twelve
posts each time more posts. Not much more is known about that, but
they believed that it lined up with the equinoxes and solstices throughout the year because
that's what Yeah, that's what they do. Yeah. Important for an agricultural
based society, though, I guess I gotta tell you it. It never
ceases to amaze me, like how astronomy crops up over and over and again
in societies, in ancient society. Yeah. Yeah, And I'm so glad
the world isn't full of Dave Steccos. I mean, for a number of
reasons. One would just be too handsome. Two if the world was full
of means there would be no astronomy. I'd be like, no, that's
just nun moving. Everything is the same, you guys. Notice it's getting
colder. That's weird. I'm sure it'll be summer again tomorrow. Still,
I don't know, like why is everything tied to to equinoxes and solstices?
And yeah, and it's just i mean between an equinox and of solstice.
Yeah, there's a huge difference and when the sun rises and sets, but
it's so minuscule day by day, day by day, Like it's just just
really amazing. And people, I mean, we're getting up with sun going
down getting you know, getting getting down with it too. But I don't
know. It's one of those It's one of those things where we think we
know, but we probably don't, Right, we probably are real big ass
hats the elective we uh, the art there resembles Mesoamerican art, oh uh,
specifically art funds the South. I was the thought that Mayan's did you
know, kayak up the old canoe, come on, I know, up
the Mississada up big muddy yeah and uh and got there and and influenced culture.
I find this a little hard to believe that because most of their art
and and the they did a lot of little etchings on on shells and copper
pieces, things like that. Very very Mayan looking. Now, is that
because you know some yahoo's from the Yucatan uh scooted up the Mississippi and then
influenced this whole flipping region? Yeah? Maybe what if they went up there
and this is just a very successful um outpost. If they were yeah,
well dipping the toe again there, I mean, good point. We'll we'll
circle back for that one. But copper and shells, like we said,
value valuable shells, marine shells, these you know, yeah, a little
what they're called, but they're like the thin conical shells really popular in the
Pacific Northwest. Oh yeah, I guess it's probably a golf thing. Yeah.
Um, you might find I don't know, there may be more around
the old Mississippi. So well, there's a lot of water there. Uh
chirt. Of course, you can't talk about cohoki without talking about good old
shirt. There was There was also a definite class system going on. You
got the like we said, the the aristocrats, the the halves, some
some of the priest uh farmers, and then you got the the stinky old
farmers and the people that are actually keeping everyone fit, the auto workers,
the welders, the church herders, church herders. There was also evidence of
sacrifice. Oh man, grizzly sacrifice. Whome on sacrifice. That's right,
there's the one of these mounds chock full of corpses ununds, seventy two hundreds
and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds. Don't don't add all those hundreds together.
I was just saying hundreds more than once. That was not an additive sentence.
One of the one of the most famous mounds that were that has been
excavated found a man in his forties, still alive, just just running around
in that mound, thinking the war still on against the Choctaw. The remains
of this guy on a bed of twenty thousand shells, which were in the
shape of a falcon. Birdman Birdman, Harvey Birdman. Also found over two
hundred and fifty skeletons, mostly sacrifices, some missing hands, their heads.
Yeah, for four males in particular, young boys, well boys or young
men, missing hands and skulls. A mask grave. You say heads because
when you say skulls, it's like there's just like an empty skin bag on
top of their neck. They left the skin, they just took the skull.
What a mystery, Yeah, that would be a mystery. A mask
grave of fifty girls also perhaps the most disturbing. That's from when the first
boy band they all got married ceremonially and all the girls killed themselves. There
was a mass grave of forty men and women who may not have been dead,
right, not all of them pretty spectacularly gross, yep. And they
were just like lined in there. They put a layer of matting, then
another layer of them. And I've got a theory about that. Actually that
will come back to Okay. Um, Yeah, apparently they're the bodies the
bones are. Some of them are found in positions that make it look like
they were trying to get out. Yeah, they were digging their way out
when they succumbed to the wall of dirt on top of them and other other
bodies. Oh god, Yeah, gobbled that maze. Gobble that maze.
Motherfucker. Oh you lacking that maze. It was first protected Kahokia was in
nineteen twenty three as a state park. Interstate came through, tried to mess
with it nineteen. In the nineteen fifties, um couldn't. Actually just kind
of invigorated U knowledge about it, and it became a National Historic Landmark in
nineteen sixty four and in nineteen eighty two became a UNESCO World Heritage Site.
Thank you Unesco once again. Yep, today continues to be excavated. Yeah,
it's a good spots, a huge place. It's a huge place,
huge place. Although roads are you know. I think there's a road running
right in front of Monk's Mound. Yeah. I actually rode by it and
I didn't realize it was Monk's Mound. And now that I've read about this,
I was like, Oh my god, is that's what that was?
Yeah, I honestly thought, because sometimes you see those landfills that have that
steep side, I thought that's what it was. Because it is directly across
the river from Saint Louis. And now I'm like, holy crap, that
was Monk's Mound. Yeah, isn't It isn't. And that's how this place
has remained, I think, such a place that no one here's about,
and no one really stumbled upon because they thought it was just a hill here's
here's a hill man. And in this it's weird because it's in this kind
of flat area of the of the you know, near the Mississippi. But
it's, um, it's it's just there, no big deal. Oh wait,
there's skeletons inside there. Makes you makes you think, um, let's
talk a little bit about who might have been these people if not Native Americans.
That's a big winch of contention. And it's tough even there because the
idea that this area was so expansive that um, how many tribes made up
the nation of Khokia? Right right? For those of us who don't want
to just accept the Native American um propaganda machine, No, thank you.
How about Vikings that has been thrown out there, interesting proposition. Vikings tries
to weasel its way in a lot of stuff. Yeah, early America,
besides Old Leaf. I feel like the Vikings got an inch and they something
like like because there is so much verified truth that like, oh no,
they really were coming over here and trying to get a toe hold in that.
Then people run with it. They take a mile, you know,
like because there was this little nugget of of really fascinating and interesting truth about
it that then it kind of goes well, then it just goes too far.
Somebody's blow the little that's right. Um, we haven't shot Alex Jones
for a while. I'm going to come back around to that. Things Blurry
photos takes out. Uh there there's something I've heard and I can't I don't
know the details of it. So this is going to sound real dumb and
fuzzy, but like I feel like blurry there was a some people found,
uh some some Viking swords or or some type of tools weapons, things like
that around Minnesota. Uh, there's that thing with these the runestone, the
Kensington runestone was there. Yeah, and there's and there's there's isolated conditions where
I'm sorry, where someone was not conditions, but situations where they found a
burial. And there's like a coin, like a Viking coin, you know,
the little little tiny things that hint at trade but don't necessarily mean the
Vikings themselves made it that far. Yeah, there was this. This also
has to do with like the copper being used that that people were like,
well, no, bard are gonna mark or should have known how to use
copper at that point, but the Vockings. Yeah, I hate that argument.
I'm not gonna I'm done with this, dude. I am done.
Just so Phoenicians has been thrown out there. Whoa, whoa, oh la
la, Yeah, that's that's a that's a long boat ride. Yeah,
straight from the Mediterranean to Saint Louis Jesus. I mean they were good with
boats. Yeah, but come on, yeah, they weren't. Come on,
I mean, come on, Phoenicians. That that comes back to your
point about the coin. I think there was a fucking coin somebody had somewhere
and button butt coins and I mean, and then, like I already said
earlier, Mesoamerican uh cultures, Yes, yes that's possible, and we know
there was trade. Yeah, that's a fact, Yeah, straight straight up.
Yeah, yeah, it could be could be an offshoot of Mayan's coming
up there. Um, that's a it's not that bad. I don't think
of a journey from the Yucatan up to that point. No guys looking for
the Last City of Gold did it on accident. Uh. So that's that's
a pretty good one actually for Yeah, that that holds water for me,
I mean, and it's interesting that there's the difference, the thing that actually
undermines it. On one hand, you're like, oh, well this this
culture, they're pyramid builders or mound builders. There is a very similar artistic
style. And then there's also human sacrifice, but the the nature of the
sacrifice couldn't be more different. That's that's mine and I think that that's an
important difference, you know that something like that to my mind, I don't
know. I'm not a sociologist, but the stuff I was getting from the
sacrifice that I read about the sacrifice, it was that people were sacrificed with
their masters. Basically, it's like your attendees and your harem and stuff was
was killed so that they could attend you in the afterlife. Yeah, but
most importantly very so that's almost an Egyptian it really is. Yeah, funition,
um and but but what's important is that it is a very different from
the reasons that the Mayans did. Yeah, and the stuff. There's no
hearts cut out things like that that were regularly done. Um. There is
a show out there that talks about Kahokia. It's one of those one of
them shows. Oh yeah, one of them shows like four eight hundred pound
bubbas and I go pro cam and they're just actually just shooting shooting foundation stones.
Just a highly stylized historical account. But there are quotes around historical account
No, um, pass it, I said, pass okay, keep going.
No, they talked about sacrificing a like a virgin every year for the
for the crops or something like that, you know whatever. I don't I
I didn't find anything in any of my research that alluded to that at all.
So yeah, and if it did, it may have been like the
Natchez something down in Mississippa proper. Anyways, how about a lost tribe of
Israel a really lost Yeah, I don't know. That's getting into Mormon territory.
Well, you know what, yes, yes it is. Because there's
even a legend of a bearded robed man who visited these people, told them
to love each other and told them to be harmonious, and then disappeared and
then the society fell into chaos. Matt mort you know who that sounds like
the world's most interesting man, the Josakis guy. That's right, he was
a mazed gobbler. Yeah. No, it sounds like very coocha to me.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good call. We should
do an episode on that. Yeah, that's that's that's come up. I
think even we mentioned in that the episode that we covered on him was that
the taku maybe, uh, when we when we talked about him, I
think we may have mentioned that he, you know, made his way up
up the coast there or whatever, and then on up into who knows where
children are the gods? Right? Um? Oh oh Von Dannikin Yeah,
um maybe, or it could be a I was gonna say, it's right
there and yourself fingerprints of the guy Graham Handcock. Okay, anyway, you
know what we should try to start try to talk to some of these guys.
Nay, they don't want to talk to the likes of us. I
have a fear. I think this is what's keeping me from asking them,
is that they're gonna be like, you guys are jackets. We take this
very seriously, and you you guys are assholes. Well that's I mean.
I wouldn't argue any of those points. Um, we'll be very nice,
but we'd still kidnap them. Atlantis refugees ooh, I saw that documentary that
Disney made about them, and I just feel like they'd be more evidence of
their laser weapons. For time's sake, I'm not gonna play Devil's advocate in
this case. Yeah. Um, when we do our Atlantis episode, Yeah,
well we'll revisit that. Yeah, we'll come back in and cross this
tea. Well, okay, so if you don't like the Native American route,
that's who you got to play with. There's a list, And how
about what happened to this place? I've read and I believe this. Um,
these are these are hashtags city problems. First of all, like you
said earlier, scarcity of food. It's very hard to feed a standing static
population. It's hard to get fire. Would for that population thousands of trees
a day for hundreds of years, Very hard to do and most importantly sanitation.
What do you do with all the waste? You get sick off of
it? Yep. And so there's a in the research I did, there
was a running belief that that they didn't solve these problems now that people did
starve to death, that people did die of disease owing to the lack of
sanitation, the lack of cleanliness and waste in the city. However, they
were continually importing people to support the city, like you know, just like
New York City. Bright torches, big mounds. We got them, big
torches, big mounds, big fun. That's right, gone down to hookya
two more days. Opening day, the Maze Gobblers defending there. We're the
only city in this entire country. Title the World as we know It,
The World as we know it? Cup of Chunky, what's good? Ready,
dude, Chunky. I'll tell you what's dan. Watching these grays athletes,
it's it's always inspiring. Here we go, Uh, first up,
plots of black. He's gonna he's rolling, he's rolling the target and the
key. These guys are really gonna try to say when is it gonna stop
rolling? That's the question. And can I hit that spot with a spear.
But there's this bear tossing opening day can do that to you. That's
right, wildly doesn't doesn't need that guy. But they've got a great souvenir
of an opening day for amaze gobblers. Oh man, all right, Yeah,
you brought up some great points there with with the environmental aspect of it.
Uh, just just focusing on at the deforestation which leads to erosion.
The soil blows away, washes away, you don't got yeah, nothing to
hold it in places crop failure. Uh, what about climate change? There's
it's a fake, there's hippie, there's the theory. I didn't vote for
him. This sception. The thought that there was a there's a small ice
age, small ice age that came through at the time, just just I
don't know a little at it. Apparently it was enough to stop maze from
growing, you know. And I read Jared Diamond's book Collapse, Uh,
and it's it's about that, um. And it's uh, it's about why
some civilizations thrive, why others fall apart, you know what happens. Uh.
And and it's amazing how little it takes. I mean, just a
seasonal variation where you get one hundred years of wetter weather that really boosts crops
and people. It can suddenly support people they stopped moving, and so for
one hundred years they build on this weather phenomenon, just like what I was
talking about myself, like I wouldn't notice if it was changing. And then
then when that cycle renormalizes and that it's not that wet for the next one
hundred years, it's like one of those simulator games or just you move that
slider bar just too much and boom, no one can eat anymore. It
doesn't work anymore. And and societies are very susceptible to that. Oh yeah,
it's it's a very tenuous pyramid schemes. And then with the waste,
of course, poisoning the water supply is easy. At that point, yep,
you get sick. There was even the thought that maybe garbage pits were
a problem because someone recently dug out they found a garbage pit and it was
so full of sheet that it's still stank and was rotting when they dug away.
Yeah, that's kind of awesome, it is. But and and also
that with that they were able to see a lot of stuff and they can
tell well, here's here's some stuff that they ate here. This is obviously,
you know, all coming from one thing. Maybe it's a feast or
something, or it's like you can tell through you know, one man's trash,
how that man lives or died and died. Sure there isn't the garbage.
Yeah, which actually thank you for bringing them back up. Okay,
when you've got a population that dense and you have a problem sanitation, disease
can rip through. And I I mean, just as a personal theory,
perhaps some of those those mass graves aren't religious in nature. Maybe those maybe
there was a quarantine. There was there was a plague, and if a
person is just really sick, they're like, well you're already done zo and
then the pit you go. I like that. I like that. I
was thinking, that's what I thought when I was looking at that, because
there's um it, because not everyone was like that. It was just an
occasional person. And religious sacrifices are very by their nature, very ritualized things.
There's not a lot of well you know, you know, so I
missed, you know, And so that makes me think that it was done
in a hurry. To me, that says quarantine, plague, just trying
to just trying to cope with a large body count from an outbreak. That's
that's really good. I like that, um and the small the small number
compared to the whole of the civilization there with there being around forty or so
in that one pit, but forty or so people some alive, somebody that
like, that makes sense for a small outbreak that they want to keep under
control, you know. But that also one one more thing could be social
unrest. M yep, class warfare. Since you have such a delineation of
rich and poor. Um, and the rich guy has here in me Obama,
the house getting what I'm putting down. You're smelling what I'm selling,
buddy, you're scooping what I'm pooping. Uh. The richest guy in town
has the house on top of that hill where everybody can see him. Yeah,
just sitting there on the other side is a walled economic barrier, right.
Yeah, that's that's one of the reasons. I think maybe the wall
was there because there aren't that many signs of militaristic skirmishes yea or or or
you know a society that had a lot of military So the thought is that
the wall was more for keeping out the uncleaning, and um, I just
had the thought that maybe the pit could be revolutionaries. Yeah, so you
know, people that we're misbehaving, weren't weren't listening to the man had to
put them down, you go. So anyways, ultimately we don't know yet.
Yeah yet being the operitive word though, because it is protected, they're
still working on It's a big place. Yeah, and there's just a lot
of interesting things to find. Yeah, um, very very few people working
on it, but but very good and smart people that are that are in
on it and trying to find out. Um, if only they could get
more money, right, exactly more fun and for skeleton digging less fun and
for missile launching. I wouldn't live in the military holds of bake sale and
archaeologists get all the boody. I went, I went drones that find Danna,
I went mound buster missiles. I want to make impre vised explosive discoveries,
so that there you go. That's that's what we got with Kahokia.
Cahokia, you know, earthen nutshell, probably with the skeleton inside. Yea,
yeah, and the only oh you know what what quick? Sorry,
I was just about to sully sag. I almost forgot. That made me
pinch off a seg. Guys, you just hold burns, it burns.
Hurry, hurry, Turtslin. The mound, monks mound, the mound in
the Monks in the middle, the monks mound Mouth, Monks Mound in the
middle. Mouse. It likes the little Betty sidewalk. It looks like what
from the work they've done on it looks like it has been built up over
over many years. And by that I mean it started out, you know,
one size, then they added a layer to it, and then they
added And the thought about that is that, um, they may bury the
living quarters or temple where the chief lives, and then when he dies,
they bury it and and everything is covered over and they built upon so uh
so this thing's gotten built up this high because that's been you know, the
place to live and die. I do think it'd be over, you know,
six hundred years, seven hundred years, you'd think it'd be taller.
I assume the life expectancy was still like in the forties. Um, yeah,
yeah, I mean I don't I man, I don't know true that
it's it's true, but I mean, what doesn't help that is is this
mound seventy two because they think that the dude that was buried on the falcon
shells was somebody of importance and maybe a chief or something. Oh well,
yeah, I mean they gave him. He's the birdman. Birdman anyway,
That's that's what I wanted to throw out there. They build on top of
mounds, even even Mounds seventy two was smaller mounds or smaller burial things that
they then covered all over and made one big mound out of. So I
would like a new facade of dirt on that mound, and I want it
done in two hundred years. So there there, there's your nutshell. Um,
Well, then then I guess if that's that, then now's puns.
How's that? That's what happens when you pinch off a seg. I would
have expected it to be a little more explosive, but no, no,
it just hurts you. I mean, these these are coming straight up the
river here. Trade you trade you a fine quality chirt pun? Nice?
Oh yeah, we definitely are gonna have some chirt punds. Who am I
going first? Are you you go go? I have You're gonna like this?
It's very nice it's a type of pre Columbian drinking cup for for your
kids. UM is mostly found in that area, in the Cohokia area,
and around about that time of the civilization, they're Mississippi cups. Uh adorable.
Um. You know, there's a Sierra Software. It's back in business
and better than ever. They're making a new video game. UM. And
it's it's about power, influence, UM, trading, mercantileism um. You
know, and it's it's about you know, it's from their Tycoon series.
Okay, but they've also enjoyed, you know, a lot of success with
the ancient Empires, and it's so they're really excited to release Churt Tycoon.
You got your you got your chiselers, your flinters, your nappers, your
long haul church truckers, build your church empire now with the most complete map.
But it's North America minus Mexico. That's right, Oh pure What does
may and say? The price of Churt's going up? Chert Tycoon shirt Tycoon?
All right, um now from Windows ninety five. All right, I
got one more here. This is a pudding shop, oh Jesus, where
you get mounds of gross pudding. It's tapioca Hokia. Jesus, I like
tapioca pudding. Oh so shut up, all right, I've got one,
and I already tipped my hand a little bit earlier to it. But I'm
still in love with it. It's a it's just churt Tycoon again. It's
churt Tycoon. It's chirt Tycoon too, Churt harder. Um. No,
it's a it's a telecommunications device. It's a phone that um can last you
know, six seven hundred years if you wanted to. It's it's a conocchia.
Oh I hear that people can die if they're buried under them. It's
right, So then then them's puns. Them's puns. Sure are boy?
We really have a mound sitting over here? We do? We keep like
not talking about it, passing by it. It's just so huge. It's
you know what, Flora, It's time to excavate, really, yeah,
because I was really hoping to, you know, just throw it away or
Nope, we don't have that option. Vacuum over it. For science,
we have to excavate this entire amount of listener. The children are happy.
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a ball. U saw two human sized seely sheet Wow. And to this
day kind of has a hard time remembering was that a dream? Did that
really happen? That kind of thing? Um? Also, uh used to
be was married in a wick and now divorced and not a wicked, nonpracticing
wicked. Okay, Um, he's a dude, but I'm gonna go ahead
and call it hot wicked, Oh Colin hot wicken. Sure he's a good
looking Sure, he's a good looking dude. Very interesting. Why I assume
anything else. I mean again, I'm on pins and needles to see what's
going to happen when he goes through our back cattle of Oh no, he's
he's cool, he's down with it. But he actually had a dream that
he was he had an uncle who was battling lung cancer but it went into
remission. He had a dream that he went to Avalon with the goddess and
was just really upset in the dream, shouting it wasn't fair that his uncle,
you know, had children everything, and and the goddess was like,
I'm sorry, there's nothing I can do. I don't have any miracles to
give you, and and that she just had to accept that this was this
was the time for him, and uh. And it gave him a real
sense of peace about it, like he kind of worked through it in that
dream. And it turns out that a week later his mother called and the
cancer was back, and it was and it was worse than ever, and
um and so and he did he ended up passing from it, unfortunately,
and um. But this dream that he had allowed him to have a real
sense of peace and calm about the entire process that he wouldn't have had otherwise.
So I think that's I think that's really great. I think it's I
think it's amazing when you you can have something like that that gives you that,
and I think people have very rarely, but you get those those rare
dreams that that feeling from it really stays with you and it kind of changes
something in you, and you really you get to you incorporate that into your
life, as to pose the other way around, it's always your life intruding
on your dreams, and it's it's it's a nice thing when when something like
that, that that feeling of peace or calmness can can stay with you afterwards.
Yeah. I feel like I've heard other stories where the Goddess come to
people in dreams, you know, talks to them, is a guiding or
or a source of wisdom. Yeah, And I you got to wonder if
that's if it's different for different believers. Yeah. Well, in his story,
because his family was told by a kind of a Southern Baptist group that
oh, no, God's gonna heal the cancer, It's all gonna go away,
Everything's gonna be fine. And in his mind, he's like, but
I know it's not because I had my dream and I know how this is
going to turn out, and it was kind of a hard point for him
to be like, rum, yeah, and that does change a lot.
And unless you think his entire dreaming history is either child endangerment or sad premonitions,
the bitterccasion knows how to rock. And in this last dream that he
shared with us, it's a bitch and ass car Chase born identity kind of
just tear assing around a city and being awesome being pursued by people, and
once again the Goddess appeared to him. But in this dream things got a
bit more shall we say interesting? Oh better, CAGN head off the crowd
just passing that dream and finally leaves us with some very elegantly crafted puntery.
Oh excellent, and says, never stop the puns. Oh okay, so
duly noted, but the CAGN tells you you do it. The wrestling Cryptids
are his favorite so far, and he was said to hear us leave out
the individual who runs the wrestling Cryptid world, mister mcmanticore. Yeah, that's
really awesome. Also, he can never forget the epic feud between the most
electrifying bird encrypted Entertainment, the rock roc in his arch rival h sin bad
News Barrett. Really, well done wrestling. It's awesome. That's awesome.
So welcome on board. Thank you so much for your letter of mister bitter
Cages. Thank you, thank you. Hope, I hope you don't get
more bitter through the back catalog again, but thank You'd be all right?
You give my complex about it. It's like, what aren't they telling me?
I guess if you're if you're into the wrestling puns, I think I
think we'll be all right though. Yeah, you're gonna do just fine here,
Flora, what do you got heard from a listener called Luna? Oh?
How about that? Luna writes in to say that they're so happy that
they found the podcast, and and we are too. We are very happy
that you found on our podcast. We like to hide it sometimes, but
you know, it's okay. Said. They used to be a fan of
out There Radio, which I used to listen to back in the day before
they stopped. Um that in Mysterious Universe were a couple of things that kind
of pushed me over the edge for wanting to do a podcast, asked,
Oh, yeah, the boys from the University of Georgia. There they I
think you can still find that on online, uh iTunes, I think,
but out there radio it's it was a fun uh fun one. So um,
and Luna says, thanks for existing. I guess, hey, so
we're happy to Yeah, and as you know got in my witness, I
shall continue too. That's right, thanks Luna, Thanks for writing in Luda.
You know what me? Yeah, yeah, what I could have cured
scurvy really for hundreds of years, but I said nothing. Why Because I'm
a dog lemon mother. I kept my mouth shut and I just watched their
gums puff up. But if it weren't for you, we wouldn't have that
Revolutionary War memorial in DC. Oh, he's true patriot. Hello dog Lemon
Uh our lemon hits us up with some really important information. I'm sure it's
not going to be upon at any point. Oh, don't think that's going
to happen. I get scared sometimes when I start reading is well you should
uh really really enjoyed the Pharaoh's episode, But did you know that the King
Tut's curse was a little more involved than what Yeah, that's true. The
reason only some of the original team were struck down was that it wasn't breaking
the seal that brought on the curse, but rather entering the tomb's innermost sanctum.
The curse only afflicted those who entered the chamber that held the pharaoh's most
precious plunder in canopic containers. More properly, it was the curse of the
Luton Jar room. And he adds the ox. Guys, that was a
really well played dark Levin. Thank you. We've done man. Yeah,
kinomic jars. Wow, they get you. We heard from listener Sean Hello,
Sean Hello, Sean. Sean says, make T shirts so I can
buy one. It's a really good idea. It's a really good idea.
We're working on it, Sean. Yeah, you know, we we have
a lot of discussions about this. We've got some cool artwork, we've got
some stuff on deck, and now we it's it's just the boringest part like
it. Do we get the shirts? So do we ship the shirts?
So we're working on it soon soon and so soon, soon soon. We
don't want to deny anyone the opportunity to buy Okay, yeah, um got
an email from disturbed. Disturbed, where are you being well? I mean,
don't ask it's disturbing don't. You don't even want to know the answers.
If Disturbed wants to tell you that you're gonna get disturbed, and then
we've got to find like new ways to spell disturbed. Disturbs already had to
use a yan. This is how far this has already gotten. Knock it
off, Flora, don't tell me what to do. And Disturbed, unfortunately,
is indicting us for crimes against podcast ham humanity, and we're going to
have to go to the penalty box. According to Disturbed. Oh really,
now, I haven't even read the charges yet, so they are as follows.
Okay, I really hate to do this, but I have to call
out on a penalty box. In the Pharaoll's Curse episode where we talked about
the the cobra symbol on kings head dress, can I get some forehead cober
going right now? Flaura? Oh? You well, I don't know if
he's Oh, it's just cruel to laugh at a thing you can't see,
but it's great. The truth is that the cobra symbol the urus, was
a symbol of royalty and sovereignty of ancient Egypt, particularly the Upper Kingdom.
Later when the Pharaohs took over the Lower Kingdom and adapted the added neckabet the
vulture symbol which had a similar meaning in the Lower Kingdom as the cobra and
the Northern king. Tut's headdress had both of these symbols, which I assumed
then meaning you know, he's covering the north and south side, right,
But I mean which I'm sure it's true. Our research was pretty clear,
like the sources that we saw, and granted I'm no Egyptologist, but our
research said that it was a protection symbol. So yeah, that's what that's
what I found. Flora, what do you got? Well, that's correct.
First of all, that that is correct. And while we didn't say
it wasn't it didn't symbolize that. We did say it was a symbol of
protection. It is if you look into the what it where it came from,
which was the goddess Watjet it is man and once you get once you
get Flora busting out and wadget, you know you're in trouble it. Watch
yourself disturbed, watch yourself. It is also a it's a symbol of protection
that's embodied in that goddess. In the raising up of the cobra, the
cobra is it's a raised head cobra that signifies it's an icon of the protection
of wat Jet. It just also happens to be yes, the symbol for
well gavel gavel case dismissed. We were able to back it up. But
thank you disturbed, and and I that you should always call us out on
our bullshit. Yeah, I think in this case, Yeah, it's just
a case of of not saying the whole the whole thing. Yeah, all
right, well, thank you disturbed, not not I anyway, I we
we really lawyered our way for that one. But I like lawyering. It's
fun to do. But yeah, what else we got on this this hit
parade? Until you see and this is why they follow through is such a
deportant part of the bad minton game. Is he followed through after you hit
the shuttle cack is is such an important part. I mean, I only
wish Don Lucas to show you because his form is what can't you see I'm
teaching the children the hacienda badaminton. He's in a no importante message for you.
What could be so importante? Okay, hello boys, sorry for my
absence. Children, shut your thirteen mouths. This is a letter from town
Loop. I must read it and hear his voice. I just got back
from doing a month of archaeology in Belize. Marco, I said, shot
it, and I've spent a couple of weeks, a couple of weeks catching
up. I hope that Marco is not giving you too much trouble. Oh
look, it is so smart, Marco, He's aren't doing you. Did
you know that the gentleman pirate continued his career in bandatre after his unsuccessful to
Go endeavors. He teamed up with a handsome fellow and rubbed the banks.
They call themselves stead the bonnet in Clyde. It's like bunnying Clyde. I
have no historical reason to understand. A new tea product from Pass was released
with the collaboration of a well known Mexican fast food restaurant, Your Sister Alone,
although no one has been able to actually find the lost restaurant of Taco
Bell Doorado. If it's generally accepted that in these lands one can find the
new pepsi product which is said to come and hear one's self, should they
concentrate on it for long enough. This product, of course is crystal dark,
geling the this is so glad Marco. Time out. Now that's it.
I have no more patience. Did you know that Egar Allan Poe would
gather his own ratings. He would make several Poe Boys sandwiches, decorate rooms
with poses, and advertise all around town with postcards. An unusually strong crustacean
that was born with a hammer in his hand. Pron Hinry, a well
known Alto culturalist who sold out to an iced tea company. Johnny Snapple Seed.
Oh don't look, you have so many puns. I feel like I
should save something later, but I cannot tell me more. A sung by
Tom Jones about a Wild West showwoman Bambalama, the Jane shout out to Lad
Benny and the DJ and regarding the Curse of the Mummy, it is well
known that poisonous guesses are a huge hazard to archaeologists, not in the least
to one. Howard Farter had is a joke of flatulence, and I enjoy
it. And finally, Marco, what did I say? The timeout was
over? No, No, don't look at me like that, Marco.
A product pitch has the Sahara Desert left you high and dry. Try Lord
Cornaveran's anti malarial gin and tonic guaranteed to quench the thirst of the mummies once
again. I must carefully fold this and put it into the bundle of letters,
and don't look under my bed, held together with a ribbon with he
sent upon it. I miss you, Marco everything I shouldn't miss you.
Donok, Marco's a little prick. Wow, welcome Don Marco. It's a
place with rules, Marco, and rules you need to follow. Oh.
Man, well, I've got a great letter here from the forty in mind.
Oh and man, I hope you're ready for this because it's righteous.
Uh forty and Ryan writes us, I doat love your show, gentlemen,
and wouldn't pass it up given the chance. Oh yes, Uh just recently
started listening and has already inhaled the entire back catalog and has had to open
up the grimmery from the shelves and blow the dust off its leathery covering,
cast a spell to spin and spun to the internet. Gods. Uh,
we've got we've got some puns coming our way. Oh yeah, lock it
down. A little know in fact about the fulk hero Paul Bunnying is that.
He had a younger brother who was also a lumberjack, Ronnie Ronnie Bunny.
He really rebelled against it. He wore leather jackets and smoke cigarettes planted
trees. Although not as large as his older brother, he was still talked
talked about by people of the day due to his sharp black suit that he
wore Walston the oh I love where this is going. I'm already invest now
people. He was still talked about people of the day due to his sharp
black suit that he wore walst in the forest, using his long, skinny
arms to chop down trees. He was known as the Timberman. Oh oh,
that stock just couldn't get any higher. Off the coast of Nova Scotia
lies two more islands known for their indulgence in illegal substances on both sides of
the psychoactive substance spectrum. You can visit Toke Island and enjoy and enjoy joy
full laughter on the beach, or if in danger of Europe is more your
thing, head over to Coke Island, but keep in mind that most who
have set foot on its stores and never get offune. That was a really
good what is that called like a snort sounds like a snort battle cry.
I love those. And finally, nestled in a hidden location somewhere in England
lies the burial place of a family that has long eluded discovery by authorities.
This is only fitting as in life they evaded capture, although they were known
to hand out slaps to there would be captors. The sacred place of rest
is known as the Valley of the Springs spring heel Jack slab oh Man well
played forty in mind thang you nicely done. So thank you everybody once again,
thank you, thank you so much for writing in do not stop and
uh couldn't help. But notice didn't see any mundane superpowers in this little batch
here, So you know what I'll tell you, um, because we we
got another explosion and and then you took off for Iowa. So we do
have a backlog. I think there are some in there, delicious, There
are some in there. There. There are others puns there. There are
missives and um messages, nice nicely crafted novellas in there that we are going
to get to love it um, either supplemental or another episode. You'll you'll
hear yourself. No, you're gonna get it. You'll get what's going to
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August with hdtri Belordo's adiot roommate Mark Soloff coming up. That's gonna be fun.
Yeah, and that's gonna be kind of a different format for us,
So look forward to that. Yeah, well we'll tell you about it when
it hits, but you know, a little a little something extra for you
to Yeah, we're calling it Bulstone U. And the plan is we're gonna
get with people that we like, people that are funny and talented and we
enjoy them and just we're gonna talk about things of interest. So I know
that we've I'm excited to talk about time travel with Mark Soloff. Yeah.
Yeah, we plan on having friends of the podcast, Mel Evans and Mark
Coom from an Hour with your Ex. We'll talk about something. We're gonna
just shoot the sh with our friends and it's it's probably not going to be
very informational, but hopefully it'll be fun. Yeah, you know, and
it's something that we can less less you be concerned that we're abandoning our scholarly
pursuits. This is this is again, this is kind of like a sidesy
thing. It just seemed fun to do. Yeah, we'll still do a
bunch of bullshit internet research and and still keep doing our bullshit podcast, that's
all right, and do a bunch of bullshit intros that you're like, when
is this going to be over? Anyways, though, that's what's coming up.
I hope you're keeping on um Man Summer. Summer's keeping on, that's
right. But but we're neither of us are wearing a sweat absorbing headband,
so we have that to be very thankful for. That's true. We have
managed to put the the studio in a place that is climate controlled and below
the Earth's surface, in a bunker. It takes us a while to get
out of here, but totally worth it. A lot of ladders. That's
that's why we haven't no no kilts rule. There was a problem with the
ladder one day. Anyways, for this episode of Blurry Photos, I have
been David Churt Flora, you son of a bitch. I really was sure
that I put my stamp all over Churt. You did. I just stole
it? No, no, no, dude, that's fine because I pre
stunted around it. I knew you were gonna do it. I'm David extra
chunky stecco. Oh what a roll? Roll? Roll roll roll, roll,
roll roll roll? Can we lose our chunky best day? Goolden target
mine, friend. I had just the simplest of questions for you before you
go into the biblioteca. It's a simple question, but I must have an
answer. What if I can't you ins d d D? What if I
can't you ins du du don't? This is the song that's v A sing.
What if I can't you du? What if I spotify? What if
I spot if I dud? I haven't your answered well,