1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,199 The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big Fight Weekend. Now 2 00:00:10,519 --> 00:00:16,239 here is your host, DJ Leaves. Well, we are ready. We've 3 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:20,359 been waiting. We've been waiting a while, and now we're going to get 4 00:00:20,399 --> 00:00:25,399 an undisputed heavyweight title fight for Tyson Fury and Alexander Usik. Of this part 5 00:00:25,879 --> 00:00:30,480 of the Big Fight Weekend preview podcast, I am the somewhat competent host TJ. 6 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:35,439 Reeves. He is our insider Fight Freaks U Nitis his substack Bigfight Weekend 7 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,320 dot Com. Hello, Dan Rayfiel. Always good to be with you. 8 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,320 I know you are still a bit under the weather. People will hear that 9 00:00:42,359 --> 00:00:46,320 because this is an audio pod. I hear on this, but you weren't. 10 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,880 Hey, look you were gonna post because it's not often. In fact, 11 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:56,159 it's been what practically twenty five years since we get a heavyweight title fight 12 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,880 for all the belts. I mean, there have been a lot of significant 13 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,479 heavyweight title fights since this is it the first and the four belt Somebody's going 14 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,200 to walk out four belt undisputed. Forever long that lasts, we'll see. 15 00:01:06,239 --> 00:01:07,959 But in any event, good to be with you. You weren't gonna miss 16 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,159 this, and we're ready to go to preview the weekend and including some news, 17 00:01:11,159 --> 00:01:15,519 some nostalgia, all that we're gonna do. You know, you talk 18 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,879 about four belt undisputed champion is going to walk out of the ring for however 19 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,760 long. Well, that's the that's the thing about it. I mean, 20 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,920 yeah, we've taken twenty five years to get here since Lennox Lewis defeated a 21 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,680 Vander Holyfield in their rematch. And by the way, I Vander Holyfield and 22 00:01:29,719 --> 00:01:33,719 Lenox Lewis are both present in Ria to be there for this fight, and 23 00:01:33,719 --> 00:01:36,640 you'll be part of the event, which is which is a cool thing. 24 00:01:37,719 --> 00:01:40,959 But the reality is that four belt champion is going to be the four belt 25 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,400 champion for not to reign on anybody's parade. It doesn't diminish the fighter, 26 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,480 my interest in it, or shouldn't diminish the fans interest in it. For 27 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,640 sure that within a few days after this fight takes place, assuming there's a 28 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,480 winner, not a draw or a no contest, they're not going to be 29 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,159 the undisputed champion anymore in terms of holding the belts. They'll be the lineal 30 00:01:57,239 --> 00:02:00,680 champion, and they'll obviously be the undefeated number one fighter in the weight class 31 00:02:00,719 --> 00:02:05,640 that's not going to be in dispute, but in terms of holding the belts 32 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:09,840 by contract, the winner of this fight will in short order vacate the IBF 33 00:02:09,879 --> 00:02:14,400 title, which is going to wind up being at stake on the June first 34 00:02:14,439 --> 00:02:19,520 cart in Riad when we see the matchup between Philip Perkovic and Daniel Dubat and 35 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,680 so enjoy the undisputed thing for you know, for the next week or two, 36 00:02:23,759 --> 00:02:27,680 because it's going to be going by the wayside pretty quick. We would 37 00:02:27,719 --> 00:02:31,520 say this, I mean, certainly in Europe they would say the Joshua Usk 38 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:37,639 unified title fights massive, probably more so than we would care about that in 39 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,560 the United States because it's not an American and it wasn't here. We would 40 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:46,319 say Wilder Fury because Wilder is an American and their two fights in February of 41 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:51,120 twenty twenty in October twenty twenty one were here, so it's fair to say 42 00:02:51,759 --> 00:02:54,400 this fight is all three of their fights were here, that's correct, true, 43 00:02:54,439 --> 00:02:58,560 the other one in Los Angeles. This fight's bigger than all of those 44 00:02:58,599 --> 00:03:00,840 fights for the for the what we just set the stage on, and it's 45 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:06,000 history. It's history for whoever comes out on top. And we more than 46 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,759 likely get a rematch for whoever comes out on top and whoever doesn't. But 47 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,639 we're ready, We're ready to prove this. That's the other thing about it, 48 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,840 TJ, is that the winner of the fight on Saturday and the loser 49 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:20,680 of the fight on Saturday know that they have an automatic rematch that Turkey al 50 00:03:20,759 --> 00:03:23,240 Hikhu runs the show in Saudi Arabia, has already said is gonna take place 51 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,319 in October. You know, I mean obviously that barring you know, injuries 52 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,560 or things along those lines, but that's the general plan is you're gonna see 53 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,560 June. Well, you're gonna see this fight on Saturday June. First, 54 00:03:34,599 --> 00:03:37,759 you're gonna see Herkovic Duwah for the vacant IBF title, which will be called 55 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,080 vacant soon after this fight. Then you'll see in September, a very good 56 00:03:42,159 --> 00:03:49,039 likelihood that Joshua fights the winner of duwa versus Herkovic come October, and that 57 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,319 fight will be in Wembley, you know, in London. Come October. 58 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,479 You'll see Fury Usik two again. This is what Turkey has laid out. 59 00:03:55,639 --> 00:04:02,479 And then the winner of the rematch between Fury and Usic good possibility, strong 60 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:09,120 possibility will be against the winner of Hergevic and Joshua, obviously Joshua, because 61 00:04:09,159 --> 00:04:14,479 everybody wins, right, it could be the Fury versus Joshua. Theoretically, 62 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,959 it could be a third fight between Usik and Joshua, which wouldn't be the 63 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:20,319 worst thing in the world based on what they'll have done since their previous fights 64 00:04:20,319 --> 00:04:24,720 against each other. But the main thing I guess the upshot is while we're 65 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,879 getting a massive fight on Saturday, in a historical fight for a variety of 66 00:04:27,959 --> 00:04:33,120 reasons, it's just it's just a continuation of a resurgence, if you will, 67 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,720 in the heavyweight division, because the biggest fights with the best fighters, 68 00:04:36,759 --> 00:04:42,279 and the best fighters are good. It's they're not just like retread Nobody's uh 69 00:04:42,319 --> 00:04:46,680 there they they they stack up historically as a good heavyweight division and they're all 70 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,519 fighting each other. I mean, it may not be a perfect situation because 71 00:04:48,519 --> 00:04:54,519 they're taking place in the Dead of Knights Saudi time and time zones are an 72 00:04:54,519 --> 00:04:56,600 issue. Obviously, they're not here in America. They're not in the UK, 73 00:04:56,959 --> 00:05:00,959 which is where they would probably generate more interest in terms of fan and 74 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,959 public and media interest. But look at the end of the day, the 75 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,879 fights are happening, and if you're a diehard, all that other shit doesn't 76 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,759 matter. I'm with you. By the way, I did not mention this 77 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,360 at the very top. Thank you for finding us, however you've done so 78 00:05:12,439 --> 00:05:15,439 as we come your way on the preview, make sure you're following subscribing to 79 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,240 this feed on Apple, Spreaker, Spotify as part of the Big Fight Weekend 80 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:24,720 preview Thursday night into Friday typically and again we come off the weekend typically Sunday 81 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,000 and a Monday. You get two for the price of one. Fight Freaks 82 00:05:28,079 --> 00:05:31,120 Unit Recap no matter what happens coming off the weekend. So we're ready to 83 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:36,040 go over this card. The Ring of Fire, not knockout Chaos, not 84 00:05:36,199 --> 00:05:40,399 Day of Reckoning. It's the Ring of Fire. And no I'm not going 85 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,720 to sing Johnny Cash by the way, for those that get that. By 86 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,040 the way, what I think ring of fire, I think of Argueyo prior 87 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,480 one, which is what that fight was called. And really you're educating me. 88 00:05:50,639 --> 00:05:55,600 So they're ripping off. Yeah, Arguayo and prior or prior Arguayo, 89 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,959 whatever you prefer. Let's first fight, their first fight, their first fight. 90 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:02,680 One of the greatest fights in the history of boxing between two legendary fighters. 91 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,399 Yes, with fling a fire. Absolutely, so let's just rip off 92 00:06:05,439 --> 00:06:09,040 city here on this. Okay, you're educating me on that, but in 93 00:06:09,079 --> 00:06:12,360 any event, thank you for finding us. Give us a five star review 94 00:06:12,439 --> 00:06:15,000 that helps with the algorithms, et cetera. Tell them how much you love 95 00:06:15,079 --> 00:06:18,240 rayfeel who again's playing a little herd here. I should I should make mention 96 00:06:18,399 --> 00:06:21,600 you and I are fresh off a little while ago of watching the press conference, 97 00:06:23,079 --> 00:06:26,560 and I just I've got to share with you it's been more exciting this 98 00:06:26,639 --> 00:06:30,079 week for me in the vehicle at fifty plus miles an hour with a twin 99 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,079 learning to drive than watching that press conference. I mean, there have been 100 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:40,319 a couple of times when it's almost been like qualifying for the Indianapolis five hundred, 101 00:06:40,319 --> 00:06:42,800 which is later this month, and I'm like, will you slow down 102 00:06:43,199 --> 00:06:46,920 and move over into the lane more before you drive off the road. That 103 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,360 was harrowing at times, but they're both learning to drive. They can both 104 00:06:49,399 --> 00:06:53,079 get their license coming up. You will be here, Dan Rayfield, before 105 00:06:53,079 --> 00:06:56,000 you know it. It will be you will be Yeah, not yet, 106 00:06:56,399 --> 00:06:59,720 but I'm just going to share that out there that. You know, if 107 00:06:59,759 --> 00:07:01,680 I should wind up twisted and wrapped around a tree at the hands of a 108 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,800 student driver, I hope not. But anyway, that seemed to be more 109 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,959 exciting. So anyway, we're gonna go over the fights on this card. 110 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,240 By the way, we also have a World A lightweight title fight with e 111 00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:17,399 Manuel Navarante and San Diego, California on Saturday Night, the top rank ESPN 112 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:20,319 main event that we're also going over. We're in the preview mode. But 113 00:07:20,319 --> 00:07:26,560 obviously Few Fury Usk is the biggest one and it's arguably the biggest fight to 114 00:07:26,639 --> 00:07:29,079 this point of this year. Say what you want about Canelo being in the 115 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:33,759 ring a couple of weeks ago, Hainey Garcia before that, certainly Jake Paul 116 00:07:33,839 --> 00:07:36,639 and Mike Tyson, if it all comes to fruition and they fight, it's 117 00:07:36,639 --> 00:07:41,439 gonna have the most attention. But from a boxing significance, this is probably 118 00:07:41,519 --> 00:07:45,439 the fight of the year. It's not probable this is to this point. 119 00:07:45,439 --> 00:07:47,800 It definitely is, and you're gonna say get rid of probably it is the 120 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,639 most significant. I mean it's more it's the biggest. I mean, look, 121 00:07:53,199 --> 00:07:56,279 everything's the biggest, the best, the beddest of course, but in 122 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,199 terms of significance, put aside, what the gate is, what the pay 123 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,600 per view numbers are, how many people are in attendance, blah blah blah. 124 00:08:03,639 --> 00:08:09,879 Historically speaking, this is the most significant fight in boxing in a long 125 00:08:09,959 --> 00:08:13,319 time. I'd say, off the top of my head, it's the most 126 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:18,800 significant fight in boxing from a historical perspective since many pak Yea fought uh Floyd 127 00:08:18,839 --> 00:08:22,600 Mayweather that wasn't even heavy right, and that wasn't even heavyweight, So it 128 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,959 as a matter if it's heavyweights. That was the two generational fighters for the 129 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:31,560 for the round for pound number one and for unified. That's twenty was we've 130 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,600 gone over that's twenty fifteen. That's nine years ago, and there's been Don't 131 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,360 get me wrong, there's been a lot of big fights since then, of 132 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,600 course, but this is probably the most significant fight since then, because of 133 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,639 the weight class, because the fact that both the combats are undefeated, the 134 00:08:46,639 --> 00:08:50,679 fact that we haven't added undisputed heavyweight champion in twenty five years. It's the 135 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,480 first time ever in the four belt era, et cetera, et cetera. 136 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,120 I don't mean if you're if you if you're a person who listens to our 137 00:08:56,159 --> 00:08:58,960 podcast. You fucking know that already. Of course, breach into the converted, 138 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,840 all right, So let's get into a little bit of a breakdown with 139 00:09:01,879 --> 00:09:05,480 the reminder. First one will handicap this fight on the bet US Live Boxing 140 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:09,480 show a Friday at one eastern, not Sunday Sunday. You'll miss the fight 141 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,279 Friday one eastern. We're live on the bet Us platforms, YouTube, etc. 142 00:09:13,639 --> 00:09:16,519 With some handicapping. The first thing, and you said this earlier in 143 00:09:16,519 --> 00:09:20,279 the week maybe you said it going into last weekend that the photos and the 144 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,679 video of Tyson Fury, he looks like he's in fantastic shape. The first 145 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,519 thing you notice is he shaved the beard. So whenever, and I don't 146 00:09:26,519 --> 00:09:30,320 know about this in the ray Field world because I've never had beards and full 147 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:31,919 beards, but whenever you shave the beard, you look younger, you look 148 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,240 thinner, I think whenever I see anybody, no matter what the case is. 149 00:09:35,279 --> 00:09:39,759 So he doesn't have the beard anymore. But you made that observation who's 150 00:09:39,759 --> 00:09:46,440 sick. We always know is cut and ready and is a lighter fighter as 151 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,759 it is as a heavyweight. But what did you make of that? Seeing 152 00:09:48,799 --> 00:09:50,440 these guys walk around. I know we'll have the weigh in later Friday after 153 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,639 we release the pod here, But what did you make of that seeing them 154 00:09:54,639 --> 00:09:56,759 in and around this week in the press conference. I just think that Fury's 155 00:09:56,799 --> 00:10:00,480 in great shape. I mean, he took this fight very serious, on 156 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,600 a very different approach, let's say, than he did when he prepared for 157 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,679 the October fight against Naganu, where he clearly was not at his best mentally 158 00:10:07,759 --> 00:10:11,320 or physically, and he paid the price for it because he almost freaking lost 159 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,159 the fight. A lot of people thought he did lose the fight. He 160 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,080 got knocked down, he got cut, and he had to actually postpone this 161 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,919 fight because of that. You know, remember that fight was supposed to take 162 00:10:18,919 --> 00:10:20,440 place in December and they had to put it off, and then obviously this 163 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,320 fight was also supposed to take place. I'm well aware the Tysons. Again, 164 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,000 I'm well aware the Tyson Fury has been wasting our time for a year 165 00:10:28,039 --> 00:10:31,120 for a fight that should have happened last spring. Yes, remind me here 166 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,000 though, Remind me again it is here finally. But he's he's in great 167 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,639 shape and I would not be surprised. That's been the talk of the week. 168 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,120 From a lot of the folks in Riette and just look at that fury 169 00:10:39,399 --> 00:10:41,559 in any any of the you know, the press conferences, the interviews, 170 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:46,039 to all the things they've shown. He's going to come in the lightest he's 171 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,879 come in in years. I mean, if you go back to twenty nineteen, 172 00:10:48,519 --> 00:10:52,200 he was pretty light relatively speaking, when he fought Otto Wallying in Vegas. 173 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,519 I was at that fight. He was two hundred and fifty four and 174 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,879 a half pounds. And before that, you know, he light as a 175 00:10:58,919 --> 00:11:01,039 two and fifty four pounder, can be yes, continue, I like that. 176 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,840 I mean, you know he he's gonna come in lighter because ever since 177 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,559 the Auto fight when he fought against Wilder, the two fights, the first 178 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,799 two fights he was in the two seventies. He was two sixties against Dillion 179 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:18,679 White and also against Tesa and then he was a robust to seventy seven and 180 00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:24,080 chained against the Gun. So the people over there are speculating, and it 181 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,679 seems to be legit that he's going to be in the two fifties for this. 182 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,200 I don't know if he's going to be as light as two fifty four 183 00:11:30,279 --> 00:11:33,440 and a half as he was for Auto, but he's going to be light, 184 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,480 and that means that he trained great and he's ready to go. Now 185 00:11:35,759 --> 00:11:41,360 you may have a thought about the fact, like, for example, when 186 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,440 he came in in the rematch against deontae An, he weighed two hundred and 187 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:48,039 seventy pounds. That was kind of by design. He wanted to have been 188 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,080 a little bulkier. I mean, he wasn't flabby, but he wanted to 189 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,080 be a little bit heavier to be able to because he kept saying, I'm 190 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,759 going to go after the guy, and that's exactly what he did and knocked 191 00:11:56,759 --> 00:12:01,080 Deontay Wilder out. So you know, maybe he thinks he needs to be 192 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:05,320 a little quicker against somebody like Alexander Usik, who's a quick fighter to begin 193 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,960 with in terms of relative to the heavyweight division, and he's a south pad 194 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,799 until he's gonna need to have that lateral movement a little bit more than maybe 195 00:12:11,799 --> 00:12:13,960 he would if he was in the two sixties. So all I know is 196 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:18,080 this based on what he's looked like, it's very clear to me that he's 197 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:22,679 taken this fight much more seriously that he's taken some of the previous fights. 198 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:26,399 Uh And and it's gonna show he you know, for all the bullshit talk 199 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,639 he did about you know, he's a sausage and he's a little you know, 200 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:33,200 he's a middleweight and all this other stuff he's had negative things. You'll 201 00:12:33,279 --> 00:12:37,879 run exactly, you rabbit. So for all that stuff, Fury's a smart 202 00:12:37,919 --> 00:12:43,279 boxing man. He knows that this is a real fight. He knows that 203 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,679 he's gonna have to be at his best. And I think Busik's the same 204 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,600 way. He's he's not underestimating Tyson Fury. He's a top fighter himself and 205 00:12:48,799 --> 00:12:52,639 as good as of a fighter as Usig is. And you remember Usik. 206 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,960 This is not a Johnny comme Leately, this is a massive amateur all kinds 207 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:01,240 of accolades as an amateur Olympic gold medal winner on the disputed cruiserweight champion, 208 00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:03,679 fought all kinds of top opponents, always on the road for the most part, 209 00:13:03,919 --> 00:13:07,440 and has beat everybody. And as a heavyweight, which he's only been 210 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,159 at, uh, you know, since twenty nineteen. He doesn't have that 211 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,480 many fights as a heavyweight because of the schedule. Has been a little bit 212 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:16,120 lackluster in terms of the activity level, but the wins are solid. Other 213 00:13:16,159 --> 00:13:18,879 than they get to know, you win against Witherspoon, you know, he 214 00:13:18,879 --> 00:13:20,559 beats you sore who was still a rough, tough dude, got the two 215 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,919 clear wins over Joshua, knocked out Daniel Dubois and now he's going in for 216 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,279 the undisputed against Fury. And remember he's the guy with the three belts. 217 00:13:30,519 --> 00:13:33,879 Tyson Perris got the other belt and he's the lineal champion. But still this 218 00:13:33,039 --> 00:13:37,639 is like, you know, it's a look if you look at the odds, 219 00:13:37,639 --> 00:13:39,759 and I know we're gonna get into it more particular about that on the 220 00:13:39,759 --> 00:13:43,159 bet Us show. But they're going back and forth. And both guys I 221 00:13:43,159 --> 00:13:45,879 saw were minus like one, what I forget which was which? But like 222 00:13:45,919 --> 00:13:48,639 one was minus one, ten one was minus one. Essentially a fifty to 223 00:13:48,639 --> 00:13:52,039 fifty fight, exactly what the odds believe, which is which is? Which 224 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,639 means that the odds makers and I think the public look at this fight as 225 00:13:54,679 --> 00:14:00,399 super close, which uh, I think makes for a very interesting And you 226 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:01,320 know, I know they didn't do a lot of talking. We like you 227 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,799 said, we watched the press conference, uh you know just before we started 228 00:14:05,799 --> 00:14:09,240 to record this. There was not a lot of talk there. But I'm 229 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,039 actually not surprised when you're at this level. I've been to a lot of 230 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:16,759 press conferences that were for huge, huge stakes a lot of times. You 231 00:14:16,759 --> 00:14:18,240 know, you get to a point where they've done a lot of talking. 232 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,399 This fight's been uh, you know, remever, it was made back in 233 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,759 the fall of last year. It's been delayed for different reasons because of the 234 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,159 the the Ganu situation and then the cut that Fury suffered. Like so, 235 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:31,679 there's been a lot coming into this. Now you're a couple of days away 236 00:14:31,679 --> 00:14:35,879 from the fight. There's not a lot more to be said, and they're 237 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:37,720 not. You know, Usik's never been a big talker to be in with, 238 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,480 and I think they finally realized, Look, there's nothing more to be 239 00:14:41,519 --> 00:14:45,080 said. We're the two best heavyweights in the world. We're both undefeated, 240 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,080 we hold all the belts, we got this huge event. We're gonna get 241 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,399 in the ring and do the business. And uh that's that and so let's 242 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,120 let let let's uh, we don't there's nothing more to hype. I mean, 243 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,279 if you if you're not already interested in the fight, then you're just 244 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,519 not interested in the fight. I mean, why wouldn't you be interested if 245 00:14:58,559 --> 00:15:03,240 you're a box. If you're gonna we need them to go punching each other 246 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,360 at a press conference or or swinging there or pushing each other. They're gonna 247 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,039 fight, and we're gonna find out who's the number one heavyweight on the planet 248 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,440 the end of the story. I mean, again, as I keep saying, 249 00:15:11,679 --> 00:15:15,519 unless there's a draw or some kind of who is as you often like 250 00:15:15,519 --> 00:15:18,519 to say, who is the guy? Who is the guy right now in 251 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,440 the sport at the at the top, at the top division and the division 252 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,960 that makes the rest of the sport. And by the way, based on 253 00:15:26,039 --> 00:15:28,799 the odds, no one really seems to know. I's been big fights where 254 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:33,440 the fights have been big events, but we all sort of figured, you 255 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,080 know, we kind of knew who was gonna win. I'll give you an 256 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,240 example, not that long ago, six months ago, whenever. It was 257 00:15:37,799 --> 00:15:41,320 when Terrence Crawford and Arrow Spence five. Everybody thought that was a great fight 258 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,799 we all wanted to see for such a long time supremacy in the wealthyweight division. 259 00:15:45,799 --> 00:15:48,960 Both guys were undefeated, both guys were pound for pound, both guys 260 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,600 had done a lot in their careers. But going into the fight, it 261 00:15:52,639 --> 00:15:56,720 was a pretty general consensus that that Crawford was gonna win the fight. There 262 00:15:56,759 --> 00:15:58,759 was I couldn't. I mean, I believed if we were out there together, 263 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,639 I believed Spence was gonna win. And boy did he. I mean, 264 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,480 did Crawford make a fool out of anybody that believe that. But you're 265 00:16:04,519 --> 00:16:08,559 one of the very few people, most people, most like the vast majority 266 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:14,559 of the fans that I interacted with, the other media people that I've talked 267 00:16:14,559 --> 00:16:18,360 to and saw the pick sut the picks were running like you know, probably 268 00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:22,399 ninety five to five in terms of picking Crawford. My only point is there 269 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,000 was everybody was pumped up for the fight. We all sort of felt like 270 00:16:26,039 --> 00:16:27,440 we knew what the we didn't know how it was gonna get there. I 271 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:32,240 didn't necessarily think that Crawford's gonna beat him down, like he didn't drop him 272 00:16:32,279 --> 00:16:34,879 multiple plants and knock him out, But that when these when the announcer announced 273 00:16:34,919 --> 00:16:38,799 the result that it was gonna be uh, Terrence Crawford, that was the 274 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:44,279 un disputed champ in this fight with Fury and Usik. It's anybody's guests. 275 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,120 I mean, you ask ten people you know, you know you might get 276 00:16:47,159 --> 00:16:49,840 it five and five people picking Fury, people picking Usick, so that makes 277 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:55,440 it even more intriguing. Good stuff. Again, We're gonna go over wait 278 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:56,799 for the fight. I know we're ready. We're gonna go over more than 279 00:16:56,799 --> 00:17:00,360 card in a moment. 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They've got the outstanding 285 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:26,000 interaction as well with Jim Lampley, Lance Pugmeyer, our buddy Dan Canobio, 286 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,279 Chris Aljury and others that are going to be weighing in with the fans back 287 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,720 and forth, the live chat, the interaction in between the fights, etc. 288 00:17:33,079 --> 00:17:37,799 PPV dot Com and you're going to learn more about that coming up. 289 00:17:37,799 --> 00:17:41,200 So lots on Fury and USIK so far. But wait, that's not all 290 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,799 on this car. We have a very intriguing cruiserweight title fight with ji Opataia 291 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:52,000 and Maris Bridis that will take place a long awaited rematch in this one where 292 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,720 Opataya upset him but suffered a badly broken jaw, and then for various reasons, 293 00:17:56,759 --> 00:18:00,920 they haven't fought each other even though they've had other fights. That's the 294 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,960 co feature fight here on this card, and I'm intrigued by that one as 295 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,480 well, coming up Saturday afternoon in US time. Well, first of all, 296 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,599 Braidis has not fought since the Opa Tia fight. Opataia has had two 297 00:18:11,599 --> 00:18:17,319 fights since then. He had the fight against Jordan Thompson which he scored a 298 00:18:17,319 --> 00:18:19,519 fourth round knockout. That was last September, and then in the Day of 299 00:18:19,519 --> 00:18:23,119 Reckoning card he scored a first round knockout against Elizorro. And Braidis has had 300 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,160 his injuries and other issues. But when they fought the first time in July 301 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:32,599 of twenty twenty two, this was in Australia and it was Opataia that won 302 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,960 the decision in that fight, it was a phenomenal fight, really outstanding, 303 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,680 at standing fight, really hard hitting, a lot of heart, a lot 304 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,160 of grit from both guys. As you mentioned, Opatia suffered the broken jaw. 305 00:18:41,759 --> 00:18:45,799 The rematch was supposed to happen. You know, we don't have to 306 00:18:45,799 --> 00:18:48,119 get into all the craziness with the IBF and everything. But at the end 307 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:52,079 of the day, this fight is happening. Now it's for the vacant IBF 308 00:18:52,079 --> 00:18:55,599 title. It should be for Opataia is vacant of you know, IBF title. 309 00:18:55,599 --> 00:18:57,759 But because of the things I just mentioned with the IBF's crazy rules and 310 00:18:57,799 --> 00:19:02,079 the him being stripped and all at uh, it didn't it didn't end up 311 00:19:02,079 --> 00:19:04,720 happening. That was he was strippy because he defended or he was going to 312 00:19:04,799 --> 00:19:08,279 defend against Zorro, but they had already ordered the British rematch. It was 313 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:12,039 just stupid the way the IVF handled it. In any event, that belt 314 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,559 is a stake, but more significantly, it's the lineal title. That's the 315 00:19:15,599 --> 00:19:18,359 man who beat the man. And look, Marius braidis. You know, 316 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:19,759 he may be an underdog in this fight, but he's a hell of a 317 00:19:19,799 --> 00:19:25,480 fighter. Marius Braidest for those who are uninitiated, the hardest fight that Alexander 318 00:19:25,559 --> 00:19:30,720 Usik ever got his career period was when he fought a unification fight in twenty 319 00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:33,960 eighteen in the in the Super in the in the World boxing, you know, 320 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,480 the Turner series got the Super Series where he won a majority decision. 321 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:44,799 Usik did against Braidis that was on Braidis's home turf in Latvia, But that 322 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,480 was a super super close fight one fifteen one thirteen on two cards, and 323 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:51,599 one card was one fourteen one fourteen. Go watch that, and that will 324 00:19:51,599 --> 00:19:55,519 tell you that if Braidest can go straight up basically with Alexander Ussik, who's 325 00:19:55,519 --> 00:19:57,720 now you know, at worst the number two heavyweight in the world, that 326 00:19:57,799 --> 00:20:00,480 shows you the type of fighter he is. And Opataia is a rugged, 327 00:20:00,559 --> 00:20:03,599 solid, tough, hard puncher. You know, a lot of people think 328 00:20:03,599 --> 00:20:07,119 that, you know, in a few years, when this sort of heavyweight 329 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,039 year is done playing out over the next you know, a few fights next 330 00:20:10,079 --> 00:20:12,759 year or so, Opataia at some point is going to move in to the 331 00:20:12,759 --> 00:20:17,160 heavyweight division and try to do what Usik did, which is go from being 332 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:21,480 a cruiserweight champion to being heavyweight champion, what Evander Holyfield did from the cruiserweight 333 00:20:21,519 --> 00:20:23,720 to heavyweight. So this is a first class fight. It's easily a kind 334 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,839 of fight that could be the main event on the show of its own tremendous 335 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,759 matchup. I'm super pumped up for this fight. You know, Unfortunately, 336 00:20:30,759 --> 00:20:33,599 because of the magnitude of the main event, and frankly, the lack of 337 00:20:33,599 --> 00:20:37,839 the way that they've handled some of this promotion. The undercart has really kind 338 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,359 of gotten short shrift over the last couple of weeks as they've build up to 339 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,839 Fiory versus USIK. It's still a qualitifight. And by the way, let 340 00:20:44,839 --> 00:20:48,279 me just let everybody know because I get assets like every thirty seconds on my 341 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,920 social media, So if you're listening, pass it on, retweet, tell 342 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,000 people whatever the record. I am not where the record. This I knew 343 00:20:55,079 --> 00:20:56,160 on my own. But for the record, Okay, if I were to 344 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:00,359 say, Dan, when does the pay per view begin? I'm glad you 345 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,799 askedj number one. The pay per view is available on a variety of platforms. 346 00:21:03,799 --> 00:21:07,160 We want you to watch it on PPV dot com grow subscription required. 347 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,920 We love them, they're our sponsor. But you will see the same broadcast. 348 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,920 It's all one production being done by the Zone. It will be carried 349 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,640 on PPV dot com. If you subscribe to ESPN Plus and you subscribe to 350 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,160 the Zone, you can also buy the pay per view on those platforms. 351 00:21:22,279 --> 00:21:27,000 In the United Kingdom, it's also available again same broadcast on TNT Sports I 352 00:21:27,079 --> 00:21:30,880 believe, which is the Tyson Fury. Now maybe a slightly different production over 353 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,920 there. I'm not sure about that. But the point is TNT Sports is 354 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,119 going to carry it on their pay per view. It's going to be on 355 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,680 Skybox Office on their pay per view. The point is all the big channels 356 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,799 and platforms that are involved in boxing have this fight available. So that's a 357 00:21:45,839 --> 00:21:51,400 good thing. Second thing, pay per view starts twelve pm Eastern Time, 358 00:21:51,599 --> 00:21:53,359 United States Eastern Time, So do the math wherever you are in the world. 359 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:59,279 Nine o'clock in California, jump ahead five hours in the UK, and 360 00:21:59,799 --> 00:22:03,519 on seven hours in Saudi Arabia. And that's that's what you're talking about. 361 00:22:03,519 --> 00:22:06,519 For the start time, twelve pm Eastern. Now a long day of boxing 362 00:22:06,839 --> 00:22:10,119 main event. This is a quarded now, and it's not one hundred percent 363 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:14,240 because shit changes and shit happens, and sometimes they're delays. How long do 364 00:22:14,319 --> 00:22:18,759 the undercard fights go? Yes, But according to the official timing sheet from 365 00:22:18,759 --> 00:22:22,960 Saudi Arabia that I was sent, the main event is supposed to start somewhere 366 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,160 in the time frame between six pm Eastern and six forty five pm Eastern. 367 00:22:27,319 --> 00:22:30,480 That little window is because you don't know what's gonna happen in some of those 368 00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:34,079 undercard fights. So it's a long day because if they're starting at twelve o'clock 369 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,480 and the main events not until you know six at the earliest. And also 370 00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:41,839 you should know, while we're used to on at least in the United States 371 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,839 anyway, for the most part, four fights on the pay per view, 372 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,960 there's certainly been pay per views with three fights, occasionally five fights. This 373 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,119 fight has eight fights on the pay per view. There are ten fights total 374 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,359 on the card. The earliest two fights I believe are on the zone, 375 00:22:55,839 --> 00:23:00,240 as as three preliminaries I think. But the bottom line is on the for 376 00:23:00,319 --> 00:23:03,359 you there are eight fights and the last one obviously is for all the marble. 377 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,640 So there is your outline. Twelve pm Eastern times, Star eight fights 378 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,880 on the cart of Veilbo on all the various platforms. Buy it on PPV 379 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,839 dot com if you're in the United States, and uh and there you go. 380 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,759 Pass it on you down know the timing. I'm gonna see a thousand 381 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:22,079 questions on my but you just answered it. People pen attention to our podcast, 382 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,720 I understand, but pay attention those that are what else do you want 383 00:23:23,759 --> 00:23:26,640 to know about, I just guess you. Okay, So what else on 384 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,519 this undercard? We got Joe Contina, who who I I really like? 385 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,240 Uh? In the IBF Junior lightweight title, we got Sergei covi Lev Does 386 00:23:34,279 --> 00:23:38,119 he have anything left? You always like to say? My boy a Jitkaba 387 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,519 Yell and Frank Sanchez and a heavyweight eliminator. So we got some other fights 388 00:23:41,519 --> 00:23:45,279 of interest in this marathon day of the pay per view that's gonna probably go 389 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,720 seven or eight hours. What else stands out on the unco and then there's 390 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,359 also, I mean, besides the what you mentioned, the lightweight undefeated from 391 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,559 England, Mark Chamberlain is on this cart uh. And the reason for that 392 00:23:55,599 --> 00:23:59,039 mention is because for whatever reason, he's a personal favorite of Turkey al Chic 393 00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:02,079 and so he's been on these cards. So he's getting this great opportunity on 394 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:03,200 the pay per view also, So we'll take them one at a time. 395 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,839 You mentioned your boy at g Cabell against Frank Sanchez. They are both undefeated, 396 00:24:07,039 --> 00:24:10,480 they are both twenty four to zero. They have the same number of 397 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:12,599 knockouts, different by one. I guess one guy's got sixteen. One guys 398 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:17,680 at seventeen. They are fighting in a WBC final eliminator. So the winner 399 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,359 of this fight is the next up mandatory challenger in the WBC. Now, 400 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,440 obviously that's not gonna happen right away because it's going to be a unified champion. 401 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,400 But it's a high stakes fight. And they both fought on under cards 402 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:32,319 in Saudi Arabia, so they're kind of done their business on these other events 403 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,480 and now they're fighting each other. It's a really fascinating fight. Tabiall looked 404 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:40,920 absolutely spectacular and absolutely destroying Mac mcdeuv back in December on one of the Saudi 405 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,559 cards by knocking him out in the fourth round, and he's, you know, 406 00:24:42,599 --> 00:24:45,440 he's done his job. Since then, they remain undefeated. Frank Sanchez, 407 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,519 the former Cuban standout, you know, amateur standout. He has looked 408 00:24:51,519 --> 00:24:56,759 good, even though it's not as dominating necessarily because a little bit of a 409 00:24:56,759 --> 00:24:59,920 slow start in his last fight against Junior Fa, but he ultimately scored a 410 00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:03,160 big knockout against him in the seventh round and and really kind of beat him 411 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,079 up, and you know, and he's he's been brought along and hasn't fought 412 00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:11,119 the top level guys but one of the problems with with with Frank Sanchez getting 413 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,400 fights that are meaningful is because a lot of guys don't want to fight him 414 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,480 because he's a consumate boxer. It's just a good matchup and it's for high 415 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,279 stakes, So I'm interested in that. It's a good, solid undercard fight 416 00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:26,119 for this. You mentioned Cordina. He's been in some exciting fights. He's 417 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,359 got some more in the future if he wins this fight. You know, 418 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:32,680 we've seen him in the tremendous battles against the fight against Rock, him off 419 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,440 a very good fight against Edward Vasquez Kasachi. You know Cordeen is going to 420 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,079 be the favorite. But I think this is a legitimate fight. There's no 421 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,480 guarantee. And where is Anthony? I know nothing about Anthony Kassachi and you 422 00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:47,119 are the guy to go to. Who is this guy? Where is he? 423 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,640 What kind of threat is he? I mean, I think he's a 424 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,400 bit of a threat. He's not a big puntry. He's only got the 425 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,240 seven KOs and the twenty one wins. He's a thirty five year old fighter 426 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:59,079 from Ireland. He's a south ba which which you know always adds a wrinkle 427 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,799 to things. He doesn't have like the biggest resume in the world, but 428 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:03,920 I've seen him fight on some under cards a couple of times, and he's 429 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,319 pretty solid. I mean it seems to me. I mean again, I 430 00:26:06,319 --> 00:26:08,640 don't I don't think that. I think Cordina probably wins this fight, but 431 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,519 I don't necessarily think he's in super easy even if you never heard the name. 432 00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:15,640 And for Cordeina, there's also a lot of possibilities, you know, 433 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,480 of other bigger fights down the road. One thirty is a pretty robuster. 434 00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:22,279 He's working at maybe Lee Wood. That's been kicked around and talked about as 435 00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:26,480 well as others, so who knows. But yes, he's a mattrom fighter, 436 00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:29,440 So yeah, that definitely makes it a as some intury to it. 437 00:26:29,519 --> 00:26:33,480 So you know, Cordeina as again, we're talking about an undercard fight in 438 00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:36,519 a BONAFID title fight, because Cordeena has you know, proven himself over the 439 00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:40,279 last couple of years. And uh, you know, and you mentioned Covi. 440 00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:45,000 Now Sergey coval is on this card largely because the leverage that Usik had, 441 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:48,599 and Usik and and Covilev are both managed by Eggus Clemas, so I'm 442 00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:52,599 sure Egus you know used a little bit of that leverage to make sure his 443 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,759 guy got an opportunity. He's a fighting at cruiser weight now he's been someone 444 00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:59,279 in act him after a tremendous run as light heavyweight unified champion. He fought 445 00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:02,039 a lot of top guys, but ever since he got knocked out by Canelo 446 00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:06,200 Alvarez and lost his heavyweight title. This is back in twenty nineteen. It's 447 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,559 only had two fights fought in twenty twenty two as a cruiserweight. I take 448 00:27:10,599 --> 00:27:12,920 them back. This will only be his second fight since said so he lost 449 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:18,119 in twenty nineteen. He fought you know in May of twenty twenty two and 450 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,720 then scored a ten round decision against turved Ol Pulev, the brother of Kubrat 451 00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:26,400 Pulov, the heavyweight contender. And now he's fighting an undefeated fighter, but 452 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,039 a guy with not a lot of experience against top names in Robin so far. 453 00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:33,400 And I would say if if covid Lev wins, and because of the 454 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,799 association with the Saudi's, he's probably gonna be in a position to fight in 455 00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:41,440 a cruiserweight title fight. You know, could be potentially against say the Opataia 456 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,359 greatest winner, potentially who you know, that certainly would be a possibility. 457 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,599 I would think down the road. So cove Lev, you know, he's 458 00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:52,559 still hanging around, not what he once was. Obviously he's had outside the 459 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,519 ring issues about a bunch of different things. But it's a look when the 460 00:27:56,519 --> 00:27:59,640 main events he underspend a heavyweight championship, and besides that, you're getting like 461 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,720 the Lin title at cruiserweight again, Cordein in a bonafid title fight at one 462 00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:07,240 thirty. Then you throw in a solid fight like Cabiella and Sanchez for high 463 00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:10,400 stakes. And then by the way, you got Kvilev further down the card 464 00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:12,839 and he got you know, the exciting and uh you know Turkey al Sheik's 465 00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:15,680 favorite guy, Mark Chamberlain. You know, it makes for a good a 466 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,039 good show. And by the way, the heavyweight up and cover, who's 467 00:28:18,079 --> 00:28:22,079 maybe the next generation of top heavyweight's, Moses Atama is on this card fighting 468 00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:26,480 in a you know, a regional title fight. So I mean, honestly, 469 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,599 and I'm not gonna have to I'm not getting paid extra. If you're 470 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,880 a boxing fan, how you not buying the fight? And by the way, 471 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,920 it ain't ninety dollars like the Canelo pay per view. It's seventy dollars, 472 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,279 so it's a cheaper price for a deeper Cards said, that's an excellent 473 00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:48,519 sales job, and that leads us to what is next. Yes, indeed, 474 00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:52,960 we do want you to watch The Ring of firepayper view through PPV dot 475 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,400 com. And Mark Bolcardi is back with us as he has been recent. 476 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,960 Man, we've been rolling with these big time fights, Mark with p and 477 00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:06,680 we keep saying to the fans here, I want your opinion as we bring 478 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,920 you in. First of all, welcome, this is a massive, massive 479 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,559 fight. Rayfield just said a little while ago, it's probably the most significant 480 00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:18,960 fight since Mayweather Pakiallen. That wasn't a heavyweight title fight, but he's saying 481 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,920 in terms of magnitude, the historical perspective, et cetera. You can't overstate 482 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,079 it. So welcome and what is your thought to that as we get ready 483 00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:30,799 for Fury and you be Usik? Yeah, thanks for having me. It's 484 00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:33,839 good that we are rolling with these after the slow ish start to the year 485 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,200 with boxing, so I'm happy to keep coming on and do this means we 486 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,319 have big fights. Yeah, I mean, listen, I agree with Dan, 487 00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:42,640 this is a huge fight in the sport. It's a huge fight for 488 00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:48,640 the business of boxing. It's a huge fight for the business of pay per 489 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,119 view. So I do think Dan's right. It's a it's a massive event. 490 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,079 It's going to have global appeal, and it will be very significant. 491 00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:59,400 I think people will look back on this fight years from now and look at 492 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,039 it with more magnificance then a lot of people might think of it right now 493 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,440 here in the US. It's an afternoon fight on a Saturday, right is 494 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,759 springtime. Kind of hard for that to feel like a big boxing event. 495 00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:15,640 But I do think it's going to have huge implications in the sport going forward. 496 00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:18,160 And I did, I said to him, and this is rather obvious 497 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,960 that Fury was involved in probably the most significant, certainly heavyweight title fight of 498 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,640 the last four or five years, and those were the two fights with Deontay 499 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,759 Wilder. That we're here in the United States, maybe we're biased, provincial, 500 00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:33,759 whatever you want to call it. But if there's an American fighting and 501 00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:37,799 it's in America, obviously more of America is going to pay attention. This 502 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,160 is in Saudi Arabia, this is a Ukrainian against an Englishman, but it's 503 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,359 not any less significant as Rayphiel and I are going to talk about a little 504 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,000 later on. This is the first time that all the undisputed belts have been 505 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,440 on the line in the heavyweight division in the same ring since Lenox Lewis and 506 00:30:52,519 --> 00:30:57,400 Evander Holyfield nineteen ninety nine and Mark Bulcardi on Thursday afternoon, Lennox Lewis Thursday 507 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:02,759 night, Saudi Arabia time, and the Vander Holyfield we're sitting right there in 508 00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:07,200 the press conference. So this is some serious weight in the figurative sin in 509 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,160 a little sense, and the figurative sense of this fight definitely carries furi anusk 510 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,880 to have those guys sitting right in the front row of the press conference, 511 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,720 and that's the last time it happened. This is one of those rare fights 512 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,559 where sort of everything comes together and it feels like the sport is coming full 513 00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:25,240 circle. That's really when I feel right, and you've got this historical event 514 00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:27,680 twenty five years ago, it's back again. They're bringing them together. They're 515 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,880 doing the promoters, the organizers, they're doing the right thing, but pulling 516 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:36,519 everything together, and I agree, I think in the US it's a little 517 00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:40,680 hard, primarily because of the time the event takes place. This event had 518 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,680 been in Vegas, this would be a mammoth pay per view in Obviously there's 519 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:52,480 reasons why it's in Riad, but you know, the loss of potential eyeballs 520 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,720 in the US is a little disheartening because of the huge impact the fight will 521 00:31:56,759 --> 00:32:00,240 have on the sport. Still, the heavyweights drive it all, right, 522 00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:04,480 let's talk about why they want to. Obviously, get this broadcast on PPB 523 00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:07,000 dot com. We've already been preaching this, as we have over and over 524 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,279 again, no long term subscription. You do not have to have a six 525 00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:14,200 month, much less a year subscription. Pay for this, buy what you 526 00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:19,000 want through PPV dot com and great interaction. Our guys Dan Kenobio, Chris 527 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,920 Aljuri, and Kevin Ioli are back and board to interact with the fans while 528 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,839 this pay per view is unfolding Saturday. Yeah. No, absolutely, you 529 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,960 hit on all the right points. I think with the interaction with some of 530 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,759 the chat hosts that we have, the last few events have really been the 531 00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:37,400 best events that we've ever done with chat hosts interacting with fans. We're getting 532 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,559 a lot of great feedback from fans, more questions than ever before. The 533 00:32:40,599 --> 00:32:45,799 number of chat messages is increasing with each event. It's becoming a real communal 534 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:50,519 type of experience that I think we're onto something TJ with this PPV dot com 535 00:32:50,519 --> 00:32:53,240 thing, and I'm glad that we can add this fight to the roster as 536 00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:57,440 well. We think you are as well, and we love being associated with 537 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,759 either they're going to get a four K viewing experience or whatever level for your 538 00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:05,880 streaming device, et cetera. Your your laptop, your phone, your tablet. 539 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,359 However you're streaming the fight, You're gonna get an outstanding picture. You're 540 00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:12,279 gonna get the interaction. And again we need to emphasize, as Dan was 541 00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:19,119 just doing, they have announced and re emphasized if you will noon Eastern time, 542 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,519 adjust your time zone accordingly. The pay per view begins and no less 543 00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:25,920 than eight fights eight scheduled on the pay per view, with Fury and Usik 544 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,799 being the eighth fight. So you're gonna, i mean again, just one 545 00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:31,960 more time. You're gonna get a ton of boxing action throughout the day and 546 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:37,680 the evening US time Eastern and Central Time, with Fury and Usik as the 547 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:38,920 main event. One more time. Mark. Yeah, No, it's gonna 548 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,319 be a long day of boxing but it's gonna be a great day of boxing 549 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:47,480 culminating with this massive event as the main event. So yeah, you know, 550 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,240 a lot of time for you to watch and absorb all of it, 551 00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:53,000 but like I said, it's going to be a really exciting event. PPV 552 00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:57,839 dot Com, we know is the best place to watch it. You know, 553 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,880 TJ you hit it all the time for us, no scription required. 554 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:05,720 We have three great guys, Dan Chris Kevin Ioli managing the chat. Come 555 00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:07,320 on and watch with us, and I promise you're gonna have a great, 556 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:12,079 great time. We recommend it a lot. PPV dot Com, Mark Bocody. 557 00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:15,400 Do I sneak a prediction out of you? Is this Usik remaining undefeated 558 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:20,400 and becoming undisputed at heavyweight after being undisputed at cruiserweight? Or is this Tyson 559 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,440 Fury who's also undefeated and he becomes the four belt heavyweight champion and the king 560 00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:28,840 and whoever walks out of that rings the king of the sport? Do I 561 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,119 sneak a pick? How do you hear? Are you're just looking for a 562 00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:32,679 great fight? What's the deal? Well, I'm looking for a great fight, 563 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,400 but I'll give you a pick. My heart tells me, Usik, 564 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,199 my brain tells me Fury, So I'm gonna go with my brain on this 565 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,320 one, and I'm gonna I'm gonna say it's going to be a Fury ving 566 00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:46,679 and I'm very profound a lot of times when I make my picks. If 567 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:52,599 you're if you're looking for distinctions, the bigger guy almost always has some kind 568 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:54,920 of an advantage, and Fury clearly is the bigger guy. Usik is the 569 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,280 more technical guy. But you know what, that's why you got to tune 570 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,320 in on peep com and see what happens. Mark BOCARTI, thank you. 571 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,119 We're looking forward to the fights. We appreciate their relationship. Thank you for 572 00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:08,679 the time here as we get ready for the Ring of Fire for Fury and 573 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,679 Usik. Thank you. My friend can't wait. TJ. Thank you. 574 00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:19,079 So we've given you plenty obviously on the Ring of Fire and PPV dot Com 575 00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:22,639 will televise it in our part of the world. Actually anywhere in the world 576 00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:23,880 that you're hearing us. You can get it through that service if you want, 577 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,880 with no subscription necessary. Bud wait, Raphael. That's not all. 578 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,159 We have another world title main event that's a very much interest, especially back 579 00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:37,880 here in North America, San Diego, California. I've always said, if 580 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,559 you can't be in Riad, Saudi Arabia, you gotta be in San Diego, 581 00:35:39,559 --> 00:35:45,239 baby a Manuel Navoranate Dennis Baranchik. This is the WBO lightweight title, 582 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:50,760 the vacant belt. Navorat moving up again looking for another world title in another 583 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,400 weight class. ESPN Top Rank main event. I am the first one to 584 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:59,760 admit I have been intrigued by navarat for years, with the punching power in 585 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,840 both in particular kind of the oddity of that left uppercut. You don't see 586 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,119 it all the time. All right, So let's get into this here because 587 00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:10,440 he's moving up in waite and there's a lot of intrigue because he had a 588 00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:16,599 draw his last time out, and there could be even bigger fights for Navaraatee 589 00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:21,719 obviously in victory and again this will headline the ESPN Top Rank show late night 590 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,920 Saturday night, US time. Yeah, I mean after a long day of 591 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,760 boxing from New if you're gonna watch the full pay per view with usikin Fury, 592 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:34,079 you're talking about starting at noontime main event around six forty five, supposedly 593 00:36:34,639 --> 00:36:37,559 could be later. It's gonna be you know, then you're gonna then go 594 00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:39,119 into this card. I mean this card, Let's be honest, it's kind 595 00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:42,840 of gotten lost in the shuffle big time. I mean, on its own, 596 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,280 it would get a lot more attention. Uh, it's kind of like 597 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,519 the afterthought frankly, but it's a good matchup, like you said, you 598 00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:50,320 never had. Day is an exciting guy moving up in wait going for the 599 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,760 title in the fourth waight class. He's been a champion at one, twenty 600 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,280 two, one twenty six, one thirty and now looking for the WBO at 601 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,639 one thirty five. All it'll be is if he wins, he'll be his 602 00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:02,440 fourth WBO title for what that's worth. But he's not exactly fighting a bump. 603 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:07,239 Barrentchick may not have a big name, but Dennis Brentchick is an accomplished 604 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,440 fighter. He was an Olympic silver medal winner in the twenty twelve Olympics. 605 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,000 You know, he deserves respect for what he's done now. He doesn't have 606 00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:19,559 a deep career as a professional. He's eighteen and oh with nine knockouts. 607 00:37:19,639 --> 00:37:22,519 He's been a professional, you know for quite a while, since two That 608 00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:24,760 was ten years as a pro and only has eighteen fights, so take that 609 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,920 for what it's worth. But you know, this is a this is the 610 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,239 fight for the title that that was vacated when Devin Ainy vacated all the belts 611 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,280 at lightweight and decided to go up tow one hundred and forty pounds. And 612 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,840 that's the main event of this card. And so for Navaratte, he's gonna 613 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,280 have the comb crowd there, not that he's from San Diego, but obviously 614 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,599 he's gonna be largely Mexican, which is where he's from. You know, 615 00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:49,760 Brent Chick is from Ukraine. I don't know if San Diego is a Ukrainian 616 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,119 hotbed compared to the Mexican we're safe to assume there'll be more backing for navarate 617 00:37:54,159 --> 00:38:00,719 Well, absolutely, But the question I have about it is is Brette is 618 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,920 very loose on defense, let's be honest. And Brenschick is a very disciplined 619 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,320 fighter. I have watched him fight. Not the most exciting guy in the 620 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,519 world, but he can definitely box. He's got a lot of technical skills. 621 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,800 And when that happens, and you've got a guy that's loose on defense, 622 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,840 a little wild with the punches, and maybe he's pulled back or throws 623 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:20,639 you know, crazy wide uppercuts for no apparent reason, Like guys who have 624 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,519 that kind of skill level might be able to counter that and do some damage. 625 00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:24,960 So there's that element of it number one. And the other thing, 626 00:38:25,079 --> 00:38:28,639 you know, we don't know the answer. We'll probably find out. I 627 00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:31,599 guess in this match is when you've been a champion at one hundred and twenty 628 00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:35,119 two pounds and now you're suddenly going to be not suddenly, but now you're 629 00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:37,320 fighting in the lightweight division, you always got a question is your power going 630 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,159 to continue to carry out the skin? Yes, it carried up to one 631 00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:44,400 twenty six. Yes, it carried up pretty well to one hundred and thirty. 632 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:45,719 Uh, the question is how is it going to carry up to one 633 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,559 hundred and thirty five. I suspect, based on Neverette's build and the way 634 00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:52,880 he's the way he throws his punches, it probably will. I mean, 635 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,159 you mentioned he had the draw in the last fight in November that was against 636 00:38:57,199 --> 00:39:00,800 Kantosaw. He got the draw, but he did score two knockdowns against Kansas 637 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,880 out in that in that situation, but then again, he did go twelve 638 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,360 rounds with Oscar Valdez in a tough, rough fight back in August of last 639 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:12,639 year when they met for that title in a very highly anticipated fight. But 640 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,000 he's also susceptible, So we're going to see now, Like you said, 641 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,760 if he wins the fight and he's now a title holder at lightweight, he's 642 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,920 obviously going to vacate the title at one hundred and thirty and that opens up 643 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,840 a whole new group of different fights for him. You know. Again, 644 00:39:24,039 --> 00:39:28,599 of course, Stevenson's the WBC champ. He's going to be defending in July. 645 00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:30,199 The questions are whether he's going to remain with top rank. If he 646 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,719 does, that seems like a natural fight. He unified the titles. But 647 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,079 Emanuel never at day, if he has this belt, is not going to 648 00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:43,280 lack for significant fights. So you love this. You love the stats. 649 00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:46,159 He had not had a non winning fight, let's put it that way, 650 00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:51,599 because this was a draw going back to twenty twelve when he lost his sixth 651 00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:53,880 pro fights. So by my map, he had won thirty three fights in 652 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:59,559 a row before the draw, So that's the last non win is back twelve 653 00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:04,000 years ago for Navarate. So he's in the main event and again big things 654 00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:07,559 ahead. And you're right that Liam Wilson fight about a year ago. At 655 00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:13,039 this time he was down, he was in trouble. Yeah, and so 656 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,199 came back and pulled through as a champion. So let's see what the cowboy 657 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:21,599 Va Carol has here in this in this main event, and then what do 658 00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:24,280 we have in the co feature. Giovanni Santian right, is in the co 659 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:29,400 feature against Brian Norman. Tell me more about that. Walter Waite beout. 660 00:40:30,039 --> 00:40:31,920 Yeah, this is a this is a notable fight. Uh, they're both 661 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,599 undefeated. Number one. Santition, of course, is coming off of what 662 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,920 was viewed by many as an upset when he went to the home area of 663 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:44,519 Alexis roach On back in October and scored a dominating a knockout drop roach On 664 00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:47,280 multiple times and just looked spectacular and getting that victory. I mean, I 665 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,119 gotta be honest, I wasn't shocked that Santione was the winner of the fight, 666 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:52,920 but I didn't think he was gonna say stop Roach and do it in 667 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:58,400 an utterly one sided fashion. That that was a shock. It was a 668 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,760 whipping how about he beat him? That was like a party. That was 669 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,800 a really important fight for Santion's career because despite the fact he was undefeated, 670 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,679 nobody really knew him. He didn't really have a lot of like buzz around 671 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,199 him. He didn't have a big, big resume necessarily in terms of other 672 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:14,920 guys he had defeated, but that was a very significant win form. And 673 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,719 now he's taken on Brian Norman Junor wh's twenty five and Ohero was the top 674 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:21,320 amateur who frankly has not looked that great in my opinion, even though he 675 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,239 stayed winning in his fights. So it's a it's a good test for Norman 676 00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:29,679 and and more notably, I mean it was an interesting matchup just when the 677 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,159 fight was announced a month or so ago when they put this show together. 678 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:37,159 But just on Thursday, the WBO announced that they had sanctioned this fight for 679 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:43,400 the vacant interim title. Obviously that's significant because the winner is most likely going 680 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,800 to have the title because we all know that in the welterweight division it's going 681 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:51,360 through a period of change, and that the unified champion Terrence Terrence Crawford, 682 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,039 who has already been relieved of the IBF title, still holds the other three. 683 00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:00,400 But he signed the fight Madromov at one fifty four on August third, 684 00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:06,440 and most likely win or lose, he's done at welterweight, So they're filling 685 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,719 the vacancy essentially before the title becomes vacant. So the winner of Brian Norman 686 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:15,039 against Santion is gonna become most likely the WBO champion, you know, in 687 00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:20,239 the next month or two after that August fight takes place, because Crawford is 688 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,760 not coming back to one forty seven. There's not a huge fight for him 689 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,800 in that division, and the organizations are going about their business filling these belts. 690 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:31,199 So what was already a good matchup on paper and interesting from the undefeated 691 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,920 aspect of things, is that now it has added stakes because the winner's gonna 692 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,239 end up being the WBO welterweight champion. All Right, some news and some 693 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:44,880 nostalgia before things are finished up here on the preview pod. All Right, 694 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:50,760 haven't we been talking about Canelo Alvarez and what would happen if the WBC were 695 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,960 to say, fight David Benavidez. Well that that's not happening, but the 696 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:59,199 IBF is saying to Canelo, you gotta fight our mandatory guy, and we 697 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,920 don't even really know who this mandatory guy is. What's going on here? 698 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:07,719 Dan Rayfield to lead the news. Well, not a huge surprise that soon 699 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,360 after Canelo defeated Hoimumong Geye within a few days. This goes back two days 700 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:15,519 ago this week, where the IBF sent out their order for Canelo Alvarez their 701 00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:19,840 next up. I guess in the rotation system which is used to determine the 702 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,239 order of mandatory challenges when you have unified champions, and in the case of 703 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,639 Canelo, he's got four belts, So the IBF, as far as they're 704 00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:30,719 concerned, he's they're up next in terms of that rotation, and so they 705 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,559 ordered their mandatory fight, which is not necessarily a bad thing if the mandatory 706 00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:38,039 fight is something that anybody might have remote interesting. The problem is the mandatory 707 00:43:38,119 --> 00:43:43,159 challenger in the IBF for the Super Middleway title is a fighter, a Cuban 708 00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:47,239 born fighter who fights out of Germany, who's fought his entire career. You 709 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,320 know it'll lasts. You know, he's fought his entire career either in Argentina 710 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:57,960 or Germany. Totally unknown fighter named William Skull. Now what's interesting about that? 711 00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:00,000 I mean, yes, he's undefeated in twenty two and with nine knockouts. 712 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,719 This is not an accident. An ELO's team knew that this was going 713 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,719 to happen. It's not a surprise that so if you take a look deep 714 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:14,000 buried, way way down before the stream started on the Mongia and the fight 715 00:44:14,039 --> 00:44:16,360 the d with Mangia, William Skull came to Las Vegas and boxing an eight 716 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:21,760 rounder and won against a fighter named Sean Himpall, an eight round decision by 717 00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:27,440 you know, are you leading where I think you're leading? No, you 718 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,000 don't know where you keep going. But the point is they know this was 719 00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:32,559 coming, so they put him on the undercard. I don't know what he 720 00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:37,039 got paid. Put it like this. I was tied up. I normally 721 00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:39,159 would be there for those early fights, but because of that Saturday when I 722 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:44,639 was in Vegas, instead of being in the arena for the earliest earliest of 723 00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:47,000 fights when William Skull was on the card, I was still at the MGM 724 00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:52,599 Grand because I was in attendance for the press conference to announce the fight between 725 00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:58,159 Gervanta Davis and Frank Martin and David Benavitez and Alexander Vodzig, So I didn't 726 00:44:58,159 --> 00:45:02,000 see William skull box that night, but that didn't happen. My accidentis on 727 00:45:02,039 --> 00:45:06,719 the card, So I have a feeling that even though the fight was ordered, 728 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,079 and of course, like normal, they've got thirty days to make a 729 00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:12,400 dealer or the order a purse. Bit. You know, Canelo hasn't set 730 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,199 up who he's fighting yet in September. There's obviously been a lot of conversation 731 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,400 about that. It's not going to be ben a Vida's most likely, you 732 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,760 know, there's been a conversations. Ye tell me this, No, I'm 733 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,519 not telling you that. We had the interview on last week's show with Edgar 734 00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:30,079 Berlanga, who's his WBO manatory, although that fight is not necessarily due in 735 00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:34,360 any event. If you take a look at previous IBF mandatory challenges that come 736 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,440 with no name and no financial muscle, a lot of them been happy to 737 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:43,840 take step aside deals to fight and stay active and perhaps be there someday for 738 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,039 Canelo, or fight for the vacant title when he is no longer the champion, 739 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,159 or whoever beats him to become the champion. And then we just saw 740 00:45:51,199 --> 00:45:53,199 that play out over the course of like I mean, like a year and 741 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:59,159 a half or two years when you had Murtazlov take multiple step aside deals whin 742 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,840 Jamel Charlotte was the champion of the IBF in the German aweight division, allowing 743 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:07,280 him to go through the process to become undisputed and then of course to have 744 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:14,519 the rematch doing this on let me finish become undisputed against uh, you know, 745 00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:15,599 he interrupt me. I lose my train of thought, t J. 746 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:22,599 Mim I'm talking about with Arlow. Yeah, So he fought many times on 747 00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:27,280 Charlot's undercards, or even not on undercards as PBC and main events, made 748 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,119 deals to keep him busy. He made a lot of money fighting on those 749 00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:34,400 undercards, biding his time. When he finally when when so it allowed Charloie 750 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,920 become undisputed in the rematch, and when it finally got to the point where 751 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:43,000 Charlow had been defeated by Canelo and now he's supposedly coming back to one fifty 752 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,440 four just hours before the purse bit for that mandatory, what happened He vacated 753 00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:51,719 and Murtaz Love went and fought Jack Colka over in Germany and won the vacant 754 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,360 title. So we're in a situation where William Skull could wind up similar to 755 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,679 that, or I don't think it's gonna happen, but you never know. 756 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,519 Either a Canelo just vacates, which is possible he's done it before. The 757 00:47:04,639 --> 00:47:07,159 IBF could strip him, which they've done it before, or he could do 758 00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:12,199 a step aside deal. Uh. But the bottom line is William Skull is 759 00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:15,000 going to be like an annoyance to everybody because he's not known by anybody, 760 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:20,719 and even though he's undefeated, he's got no resume. Yeah, sometimes mandatory 761 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,880 is they get there because they've truly earned it. This guy's fought a bunch 762 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,199 of nobody, this whole, this whole thing. And I was mentioning Stanionis 763 00:47:27,199 --> 00:47:30,519 took the step aside money so that the aforementioned Spence Crawford fight could happen as 764 00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:35,480 undisputed as well. Stanionis was the WBA, which is a ton that's correct, 765 00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:38,639 And by the way, we should mention there's previous problem in history with 766 00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:44,960 the IBF stripping Canelo Alvarez of the middleweight title because they wouldn't fight their guy. 767 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:49,960 So and William Skull's name, especially a Cuban born fighting in Germany. 768 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,360 This is tremendous. Williams skull sounds like a character in like Pirates of the 769 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:58,360 Caribbean with Johnny Depp Captain Jack. But in any event, that they're aware 770 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,320 of this because he thought, it's like you get on that undercard by accident, 771 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:05,599 all right, So we'll keep our eyes on that. Jake Paul and 772 00:48:05,679 --> 00:48:08,760 Mike Tyson meeting the media this week. They were in New York Monday. 773 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:14,039 They were having another press conference on Thursday, and they've got more undercard fights, 774 00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:19,320 including a very intriguing lightweight undercard fight. Tell me more in our news 775 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,079 here. Well, I watched the press conference on Monday when they met in 776 00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:24,320 New York, and I wrote a piece about that, and it struck me 777 00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:30,840 that that it's like Tyson still has that magnetism that draws you to him. 778 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,719 Now, obviously he's gonna be fifty eight years old when the fight happens. 779 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,559 I'm not saying you're saying has unders that. I'm not making an assessment of 780 00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:42,280 the bout. I'm just saying he wasn't the normal like when I was covering 781 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,239 Tyson, and certainly before I was covering Tyson when he was in his heyday, 782 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,840 and even when he was like off the rails and losing his mind. 783 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,400 I mean, I was there in New York City when they tried to announce 784 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,360 the Lenox Lewis fight and he had the meltdown. I've seen Mike at his 785 00:48:53,400 --> 00:49:00,599 worst, and he's profane and nasty and belligerent and all those things. Not 786 00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:01,519 so much anymore. I mean, you know, he was still funny, 787 00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:05,199 and he still had some pointed things to say, but it was much more 788 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,000 endearing. Now what that transit tends to mellow you out. I've been told 789 00:49:09,039 --> 00:49:12,920 I don't use, but he definitely does when he gets in the ring. 790 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,840 We'll see. But it was a good press conference. I mean, whatever 791 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,519 your thoughts about if I put that aside, but from an entertainment point of 792 00:49:16,599 --> 00:49:20,519 view and sort of making the point, you know, it was a fun 793 00:49:20,519 --> 00:49:22,840 press conference to watch what I watched from the New York. They did it 794 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,400 at the Apollo Theater. They allowed, obviously, the media was there, 795 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,920 what they had, obviously, fans were allowed, and they filled the place 796 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,679 up and they made it like a you know, a big show. I've 797 00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,400 seen those plenty of times when they do these tours, and uh, it 798 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:38,360 also struck me that when Mike Tyson was in the fight, for example, 799 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,320 and this was the closest one I could find in terms of on the what 800 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,800 I'm about to say. When he bit a Vander Holyfield's ear off of the 801 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:51,880 year in nineteen ninety seven, Jake Paul was six months old. And now 802 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,440 that's incredible, I know. So to think that he's going to be back 803 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,159 of the ring in nineteen years later, like, I just had this bizarre 804 00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,519 feeling because most people, I guess, obviously the younger generation, they don't 805 00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:06,320 know Tyson from as an active fighter, right. They just know him as 806 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:10,199 Tyson with the tattoo and being in the Hangover movies and doing the odd exhibition 807 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,639 and you know, and and then doing his weed dispensary and all that. 808 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,920 But I grew up watching Mike Tyson like you did. As champion. I 809 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,840 was a fan of Mike Tyson. I got a chance to cover Mike Tyson. 810 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,840 I got to know Mike Tyson, and so to think that he's back, 811 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:28,360 and I remember having that I've said this on the show before, sitting 812 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,239 there in the in the moments after his press conference when he lost his final 813 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:37,440 fight and retired, sitting there with one of my USA today colleagues or my 814 00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:40,840 former USA Today collegue. I was working at ESPN at that point, John 815 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:45,440 Sarasino, the great boxing writer anyway, and Tyson basically said, you know, 816 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,079 he never wanted to put on gloves again, and it was I just 817 00:50:47,159 --> 00:50:50,679 have that burned in my memory. And so to think he's coming back nine 818 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,159 years later and watch him do an actual press conference for an actual fight, 819 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,039 it just sort of like was the most surreal thing I ever saw. I 820 00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:00,000 never thought of a million years I would see Mike Tyson sitting on a day 821 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:06,800 promoting what's supposed to be an official boxing match of exhibitions, maybe but not 822 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:07,880 I will, I will tell you this joke, and then we'll get to 823 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,800 the undercard fights. I have a couple of acquaintances that were going back and 824 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:15,320 forth on social media because they were shooting a promo with him in the trunks 825 00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:19,159 and they had the lights and the whole thing. They were shooting a promo 826 00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,719 video, and somebody made the point and it's so true. We were big 827 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,320 fans of the cartoons when we were little forty fifty years ago that what is 828 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:30,440 this the Bugs Bunny cartoon boxing gloves. If you remember when Bugs Bunny would 829 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,199 have his fights in the ring. The boxing gloves were as big as he 830 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,480 was, and that kind of looked like what Tyson had on with the fourteen 831 00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:39,960 ounce gloves that you've told us about that they're going to fight with. So 832 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,440 let's see if we get there for the end of July. We still have 833 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:46,559 a month and a half to get the We're going to get there teaching all 834 00:51:46,599 --> 00:51:50,719 right, but get there. I believe this fight is going to break thet 835 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:52,719 I know we've been talking about that. And it's at the same place at 836 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:57,800 and T Stadium, and will they have eighty ninety thousand or more there with 837 00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:02,440 the standing room only, et cetera. Now, this Ashton Silva fight that 838 00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:07,840 is on the undercard here, this is intriguing that with Floyd Schofield they announced 839 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,400 this. This undercard is with Amanda Serrano and Katie Taylor. I mean, 840 00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,920 tell me more about what they're lining up here? Yeah, I mean, 841 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,679 so of course, when they announced the fight, I mean they put you 842 00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:19,360 know, Jake against Tyson. That's obviously, you know, it is what 843 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,360 it is. We don't have to get into that we already know. But 844 00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:25,199 then they added obviously an a level fight between the rematch being Serrano and Taylor, 845 00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:30,239 and you know, I'll give MVP props. I mean, they went 846 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,199 out and they made a real fight for this show. That's again, this 847 00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:36,360 is gonna be on Netflix. This show is part of the fights I'm about 848 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,800 to mention are part of the stream. So you'll see this for free if 849 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,480 you have a subscription, not a of pay per view, which is a 850 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:45,000 great thing. You got Ashton Silva, lightweight from Long Beach, California's Undefeated 851 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:50,079 that they've been hyping up that that that MVP signed out of the amateurs. 852 00:52:50,679 --> 00:52:52,440 I have to be honest, I've been largely unimpressed by him in the fights 853 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,360 of his I have seen, particularly in his last fight when he was fighting 854 00:52:55,360 --> 00:53:00,559 for the supposedly I believe was the WBC's youth lightweight title and came in instead 855 00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:05,079 of being a youth lightweight, came in as a youth with junior welterweight and 856 00:53:05,199 --> 00:53:08,119 was one hundred and forty pounds five pounds over the limit, which was not 857 00:53:08,199 --> 00:53:13,119 a good situation. But nonetheless, he is fighting Floyd Scoldfield, why I'm 858 00:53:13,199 --> 00:53:15,400 very high on I think he's one of the best prospects of boxing. He's 859 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,760 with Golden Boys. So it's a good thing that the folks at MVP and 860 00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,000 Golden Boy can make a deal on a fight like this and match them up. 861 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,920 The two of the younger lightweights in the in the sport. They're both 862 00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:30,840 in their early early twenties. Silva was only twenty years old. You know, 863 00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:35,039 Schofield's only twenty one years old. He'll probably have the whole folks on 864 00:53:35,079 --> 00:53:37,639 his side. He's from Austin, Texas, so it'll be a bit of 865 00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:39,079 a you know, quasi home game for him in that sense, being in 866 00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:44,800 Dallas. But look, classy fight. I mean, you don't see undefeated 867 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:50,880 prospects who promoters have money into matching each other up when they don't have both 868 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,239 guys, and then especially if you're going to do it against another promoter's company. 869 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:58,599 So it's a highly unusual fight. And you know, I spoke with 870 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:04,679 Nikisa Mendarian uh the uh the co founder of MVP, Jake Paul's business partner 871 00:54:05,079 --> 00:54:07,280 about this fight, and I asked him about that and he says, you 872 00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,320 know, look, we wanted to make a real fight and whatever happens happens. 873 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,920 I mean, so good for them. They're you know, Scofield I 874 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,599 think is a huge favorite. I frankly was shocked that they made this fight. 875 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,360 At first, I thought, well, did did did MVP sign him? 876 00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,840 And I didn't know about it right there, I just saw I was 877 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,760 really shocked by that. I come to fend there's no there's no options. 878 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:28,320 It's it's like, if Scofield wins, he gets to go back to Golden 879 00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,960 Boy and be on his own. If Silver wins, good for him. 880 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:34,840 He stays with m v P and probably still would be UH on wherever Jake 881 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,559 does their events, because they've worked with his own plenty in the past. 882 00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,519 Obviously this is with Netflix, but it's a very interesting matchup for that card. 883 00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:44,920 And then the other fight UH is a little bit of a are you 884 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,320 going to mention the name? I tried not to mention the name? Are 885 00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,239 you going to mention the name? Yeah? So this this goes back to 886 00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:55,880 some of the more non like major legit boxing matches that that that Jake has 887 00:54:55,880 --> 00:55:00,320 done. Like they the MVP folks have done some of these whack he kind 888 00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:01,360 of fights, and they've also done a lot of like legit fights. This 889 00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:06,400 goes more on on the whacker side. They're bringing out Julio Sasar Chavez Junior 890 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,360 right on boxing three years there's because of a ton of problems that he's had 891 00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:14,320 outside the ring. It's going to be a six round cruiserweight fight. Actually 892 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:19,920 the contract is one ninety. He'll fight the former UFC contender Darren Till, 893 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,159 who's going to make his boxing debut. So another one of these crossover type 894 00:55:23,199 --> 00:55:27,559 fights. He got his release from UFC a couple of years ago. Apparently 895 00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,880 my understanding is part of the reason for that was because he wanted to pursue 896 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,119 a boxing career. And I don't know if he has been training in boxing 897 00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:36,719 over the last couple of years and now he's picked the time to make the 898 00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,199 debut in the sport or there was other reasons. But he's making his pro 899 00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:44,480 debut as a boxer against Chavez Junior. So Chavis Junor has actually fought one 900 00:55:44,519 --> 00:55:49,639 previous MMA fighter and lost. Actually it's the one time where a UFC guy 901 00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:52,920 won against a boxer, but that was against the great Anderson Silva. Yeah, 902 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,719 Anderson Silva smoked him right before he fought Jake Paul I recall exactly. 903 00:55:57,119 --> 00:56:00,599 So, uh, you know, I don't know if we if you smoked 904 00:56:00,599 --> 00:56:05,239 them, but you know at the point is came up to a second MBAG. 905 00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,239 So anyway, they've added those two undercard fights to what's already like a 906 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,239 spectacle kind of show to begin with. You know, you got the spectacle 907 00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:14,079 of the of the of the of the famous names in the main event, 908 00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:16,239 you got an A plus A level fight in the co feature with the women. 909 00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:22,199 You add a really interesting prospect fight between Silvan Scholfield, and then a 910 00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:28,039 little wackedness for your crossover fans of boxing versus MMA between Chavez and Darren Tels. 911 00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,360 Great, I guess, I guess you could say a little bit for 912 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,679 everybody teaching. And you're great with the segues on this pod because you speak 913 00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,239 of wackiness. Hey, let's go back to Devin Haney and Ryan Garcia one 914 00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:43,360 more time, because there's an update now. And you mentioned this back more 915 00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,559 than a week ago, probably ten days ago or more, that there could 916 00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:52,199 be the the possibility that the Haney camp would ask not only for the win 917 00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,719 to be vacated no contest, but to have it overturned and have it be 918 00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:59,960 a disqualification. Tell us more about what you found out on that point. 919 00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:04,920 So Devin Haney is now being represented by the attorney Pat English. And if 920 00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,119 you're not familiar with boxing, Pat English is one of the more renowned boxing 921 00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:12,760 attorneys. For decades, the guy has been involved in numerous cases. One 922 00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:17,039 of the top boxing lawyers in the entire sport. Has mostly been identified with 923 00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:21,679 having worked with main events, so he's been involved with all kinds of various 924 00:57:21,679 --> 00:57:24,519 cases related to Lennox, Lewis and others from main events. But Pat has 925 00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:29,480 been involved for a long time. He's worked with the ABC over the years. 926 00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:34,559 I mean a very very knowledgeable, deep, deep resume and doesn't just 927 00:57:34,639 --> 00:57:37,559 take cases to take cases. I don't think I've know Pat my entire career. 928 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:43,719 So Pat is now representing Devin Haney in this situation and they wrote a 929 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,719 letter Pat did outlining their position to the New York State Athletic Commission. Where 930 00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,760 As I mentioned before, most of the time in drug cases, if a 931 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,480 fight has overturned, it becomes a no contest in the rules of regulations of 932 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,679 the New York State Athletic Commission as well as some other commissions around the country. 933 00:57:58,719 --> 00:58:00,880 They also have the option that's not nearly used as much, if at 934 00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,519 all, that they could make it. As you mentioned, a DQ loss. 935 00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:07,280 So in the letter very sternly worded, which I have read and received 936 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:13,639 a copy of, that they're asking the New York Commission when Garcia comes to 937 00:58:13,719 --> 00:58:16,880 do the hearing at some point later this summer and they go through their adjudication 938 00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:22,360 process, they want to change to a DQ loss that would restore the undefeated 939 00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,760 record to Devin Haney. And they make the point this is not just about 940 00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:32,119 he failed two ped tests for Austria. Now Devin has to wait until the 941 00:58:32,239 --> 00:58:37,440 d samples are tested on the Garcia samples. That will take place later in 942 00:58:37,519 --> 00:58:39,360 May, and it'll take a few days before we know. Now chances are 943 00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:42,920 they're going to come back positive. Also, obviously this is going to have 944 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,320 a whole different situation. If they come back negative, that's a whole different 945 00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,800 ballgame. But assuming that the b's come back the same as the a's and 946 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,639 it's also positive, then they'll be a hearing. They'll schedule hearing that the 947 00:58:52,639 --> 00:58:58,480 Commission is going to. Normally, the commissions would do a provisional suspension beforehand. 948 00:58:58,519 --> 00:59:00,920 And I guess it's not that important because he's gonna fight between now and 949 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:04,239 then. Anybody. If it was a four rounder, you might do that 950 00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:06,840 because the guy might try to line up another fight. In any event, 951 00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,559 they're not going to schedule any kind of hearing for Ryan Garcia Tel after the 952 00:59:09,559 --> 00:59:13,159 bsemle comes back at the end. You know, I think it's May May 953 00:59:13,199 --> 00:59:16,639 twenty second is when they cracked those in next week, right. So the 954 00:59:16,679 --> 00:59:22,480 point here is that they make is that besides the foul PD test, they're 955 00:59:22,519 --> 00:59:25,800 saying it rises to a level to make it a DQ because not only is 956 00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:30,039 he gonna have two foul drug tests, he also purposely misweight, they claim, 957 00:59:30,159 --> 00:59:34,400 And there's some conversation that Rian has had where he said that it was 958 00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,039 on purpose. And on top of that, they have evidence from videos that 959 00:59:37,079 --> 00:59:42,800 were used in his own documentary leading up to the fight that he also used. 960 00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,559 Ryan did an IV bag, which is illegal, And the reason why 961 00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:51,400 ivs are illegal is because it can be used as a masking agent because if 962 00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:55,519 you had to rehydrate using an IV it dilutes the urine and so if then 963 00:59:55,559 --> 01:00:00,920 you urinate for the testers, you may not have the same levels because that 964 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,360 has been diluted in terms of when you give them the sample. So they're 965 01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:09,400 basically saying ped usage on two foul tests that's a problem, illegal IV bag, 966 01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,480 that's a problem. And oh, by the way, it's one thing 967 01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,679 to missweight, but you did it on purpose, and so that's three major 968 01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,400 things. For If you say then it's two drug tests, they're asking for 969 01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,519 it to be overturned. So we're going to see it play. I think, 970 01:00:21,679 --> 01:00:25,840 based on my experience, and this is not my opinion, it's my 971 01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:30,480 opinion, but it's based on my experience, I think that if the hearing 972 01:00:30,519 --> 01:00:34,440 goes forward, they have a good chance of winning this because there has been 973 01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:38,639 other examples where an osteren test has been done to a change a fight to 974 01:00:38,679 --> 01:00:44,760 a DQ loss without all that other baggage, right, which is which exacerbates 975 01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,599 it even more. That was the case in twenty sixteen also in a WBC 976 01:00:47,719 --> 01:00:52,079 title fight, which was a super middleweight fight between Bad Dude Jack and Lucha 977 01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:55,119 Bute, which has ruled a draw and Bute had two had a positive test 978 01:00:55,159 --> 01:01:00,119 afterwards for ostering, and they did, in fact in Washington change it to 979 01:01:00,159 --> 01:01:05,400 a disqualification loss. So we'll see what case. What's the what's the timeline 980 01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,519 do we think on when the hearing might be once the samples are open? 981 01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:10,880 Would that be June? Could they be meeting in June that quickly where they 982 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:15,119 would have the hearing. I can't tell you the date. I just believe 983 01:01:15,159 --> 01:01:17,920 that they're not going to schedule the date until after the B sample result comes 984 01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:22,599 back. Most likely it will be sometime this summer. Could it be June? 985 01:01:22,719 --> 01:01:24,800 I mean it's possible. I would say, if you put a good 986 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:29,760 bad I'd probably say in the July ish situation. And you never know if 987 01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,079 the you know, and this happens on a regular basis when these things come 988 01:01:32,119 --> 01:01:37,360 up, it could be a matter of that the Garcia side asks for more 989 01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,320 time, and maybe they'll give them that and it'll be delayed by a couple 990 01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:44,559 of weeks or a month. The point is all this, everything about the 991 01:01:44,599 --> 01:01:47,280 career of Ryan Garcia as a boxer, is going to grind to a halt 992 01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:51,119 and till this has been taken care of, and that should play out over 993 01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:54,280 the next few months this summer, all right? Speaking of drug tests, 994 01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:59,320 speaking of Oh my god, this has this been going on for five years? 995 01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,360 For nine years or thirteen years? I lost track? So the UK 996 01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:07,719 Anti Doping and the British Boxing Board of Control have now won an appeal. 997 01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:12,400 Please tell me, is this the last of the appeals to the appeal to 998 01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:16,960 the appeal with Connor ban or where do we stand because he's now suspended? 999 01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:21,199 What does all of this mean? What happened? Explain it real quick, 1000 01:02:21,519 --> 01:02:25,039 so everybody knows that Connor he fouled the drug test that caused the cancelation of 1001 01:02:25,079 --> 01:02:29,199 the Chris Eubanks was that in twenty ten or nineteen ninety seven that he failed 1002 01:02:29,199 --> 01:02:30,440 that test? I can't keep track anymore, keep going, I'm being sure 1003 01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:35,880 it was actually it was actually in the October of twenty twenty two where one 1004 01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,639 of the drug tests results came to light the week of the fight and it 1005 01:02:38,679 --> 01:02:43,039 caused a fight to be canceled. After that happened, it was discovered that 1006 01:02:43,079 --> 01:02:46,599 he also had failed a fight a drug test that was done under the auspices 1007 01:02:46,639 --> 01:02:52,199 of the WBC's Clean Boxing program months earlier for the same substance, which was 1008 01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:57,719 colomaphine, which we've discussed. That wasn't anyway, So in the UK he 1009 01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:02,760 was suspended, but the national they have a national Anti doping panel, which 1010 01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:09,480 technically speaking cleared him. But he still wasn't licensed in the hometown in the 1011 01:03:09,519 --> 01:03:15,800 home country of the UK because the Yukond people and the British Board. They 1012 01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,440 appealed that, and so while the appeal was going on, they weren't going 1013 01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,159 to give him a license. So while that was all playing out on a 1014 01:03:22,199 --> 01:03:28,079 technicality, he was removed from the suspension lists in the ABC in the United 1015 01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:31,119 States, which is what allowed conter Band to come here after that long layoff 1016 01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:36,159 and fight not once but twice, once in Florida and then again more recently 1017 01:03:36,199 --> 01:03:39,920 in the Nevada. But now the appeal is over and he lost the appeal. 1018 01:03:40,199 --> 01:03:44,440 The British Board and the Yukon folks won the appeal, so he's now 1019 01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,719 back on provisional suspension and the case is still going on. Now what that 1020 01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:52,800 means in terms of his ability to box in America, my understanding is that 1021 01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:54,800 the ABC is not going to just put him back on the suspension list. 1022 01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:59,880 They're going to leave it up to each individual state. I don't agree with 1023 01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:02,159 that, but I don't think there's necessarily a movement for Connor to come back 1024 01:04:02,159 --> 01:04:05,440 and fight in America anyway, because if you did, that may impact his 1025 01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:10,760 ability to get the license in Britain. My understanding is from my sources, 1026 01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,400 behind the scenes, all this is playing out. They're basically negotiating what's the 1027 01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:18,920 punishment Connor would like, is willing to accept punish me. I'll sit out 1028 01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:23,400 until some time in the fall, maybe till like the end of September something 1029 01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:27,960 along those lines, whereas the British Board and you Cottter pushing for a longer 1030 01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,400 suspension. Yeah, taken into probably the end of the first quarter of Okay 1031 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,360 here, so let's go over a couple of things. The first that was 1032 01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:38,199 pretty clear. Let's go over let's go over a couple of important parts of 1033 01:04:38,239 --> 01:04:42,679 this. The first thing is there's supposed to be some kind of punishment with 1034 01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,239 this, all right, so you can argue about what was the punishment or 1035 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,000 what was not the punishment. But the first thing, and this should be 1036 01:04:48,039 --> 01:04:53,039 clear, is that Eddie Hearn and Connor Bannon, this is not my opinion, 1037 01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:58,679 they they immediately renounced their license his license to box to try to avoid 1038 01:04:58,719 --> 01:05:02,599 this process. And there is no dispute that they were trying to game the 1039 01:05:02,639 --> 01:05:05,719 system by coming to fight in the United States and slipping me in on a 1040 01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:10,920 card. And when was that in Florida. It was earlier in twenty twenty 1041 01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:15,440 three that they did that. So my Lord We're now like almost a year 1042 01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:20,320 after all of that's been happening. When are they going to lower the boom 1043 01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:26,360 and say it's a year suspension or a two year suspension? My god, 1044 01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:28,719 how long we've been waiting. Yeah, I mean, I don't know what 1045 01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:30,239 the ultimate result is going to be. I think they're willing to work with 1046 01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,519 each other, and it's just a matter of what's the length of the suspension. 1047 01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:38,559 If you're the British Boxing Border Control, what is the work with Connor 1048 01:05:38,599 --> 01:05:42,400 Benn who's been trying to manipulate this thing all along. Lower the boom, 1049 01:05:42,719 --> 01:05:46,039 Lower the boom with your punishment. And that's that I don't necessarily disagree. 1050 01:05:46,119 --> 01:05:49,320 I don't definarily disagree. Once again, we're making too much sense, Raphael, 1051 01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,800 and it's not how you were making too much So what the reality is. 1052 01:05:53,119 --> 01:05:56,239 He did fight the fights in America in September and February, which to 1053 01:05:56,360 --> 01:06:00,719 me that should insult the British Boxing Border Control if I them. But the 1054 01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,039 reason why it didn't, and I'll take issue on that, and I know 1055 01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:10,960 it's kind of there's some uh some nuance here is that the American ABC try 1056 01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:15,679 to get information from the British Boxing Board of Control about what their timeline was 1057 01:06:15,719 --> 01:06:18,360 for this, or they, you know, to make sure right it was 1058 01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:23,039 it was gonna take place in a reasonable amount of time. The British Boxing 1059 01:06:23,079 --> 01:06:26,079 Board of Control did not really get back to the ABC. They did not 1060 01:06:26,159 --> 01:06:29,199 help them out, They did not give them guidance. And so the opinion 1061 01:06:29,199 --> 01:06:30,960 of the ABC, whether you agree or disagree, it's their decision to make. 1062 01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:35,159 They decided, well, we cannot get any clarity from his Home Commission 1063 01:06:35,519 --> 01:06:40,639 and we're not gonna just put this guy on indefinite suspension when we can't get 1064 01:06:40,639 --> 01:06:44,079 an answer from his people. So we're gonna we're gonna take them off the 1065 01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:46,559 ABC suspension list and now it'll be up to each individual state to decide what 1066 01:06:46,599 --> 01:06:49,400 they want to do. So Florida license him. This was all sort of 1067 01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:54,239 they knew this ahead of time. So it's not really the British Board should 1068 01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:58,280 be upset. It's that they're The British Board has not done everything perfect in 1069 01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,320 this either. I'm not saying that codd Or has as well, but in 1070 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:04,519 terms of him being licensed by the American Commission, the reason I was off 1071 01:07:04,519 --> 01:07:10,079 the suspension was because the British Board dragged their feet and was unhelpful when the 1072 01:07:10,119 --> 01:07:13,599 American Commission was seeking their guidance on what to do, and if they weren't 1073 01:07:13,599 --> 01:07:15,119 going to provide anybody, they were like, okay, fine, we'll just 1074 01:07:15,199 --> 01:07:20,119 let it go to our individual commissions and they license him. So at this 1075 01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:25,039 point and we're wrapping on this and then moving on at this point, do 1076 01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:29,320 we know when they might or might not finally rule or do we not even 1077 01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:30,960 have clarity on that as we sit here in late May, I think, 1078 01:07:31,719 --> 01:07:35,920 a year and a half after all this happened. Listen, my sources tell 1079 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:41,480 me that behind the scenes that the two sides are negotiating the penalty. Is 1080 01:07:41,519 --> 01:07:45,119 it going to be the end sometime near the end of this year or is 1081 01:07:45,159 --> 01:07:47,840 it going to be sometime in the first quarter of next year. Now the 1082 01:07:48,079 --> 01:07:51,199 difference in what it would be is just a few months. But you know, 1083 01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:56,159 I guess it's meaningful to either side. I don't think he's going to 1084 01:07:56,199 --> 01:08:00,440 get some kind of two year ban. You know, this is a really 1085 01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,519 rough case. This has been you know, Connor has handled it very badly. 1086 01:08:02,599 --> 01:08:05,360 I've said that from the beginning, if you just would have come forward 1087 01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:10,039 and dealt with it right away, this is. Whatever his his uh, 1088 01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:14,559 his punishment was would be probably close to over by now anyway, so we'll 1089 01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:17,119 see. I mean, uh, but the Yukad people and the British Board, 1090 01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:20,920 they're they're not heroes here either. They've got a lot of issues with 1091 01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:24,439 them. And they handle their drug testing. You know, it's not perfect 1092 01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:27,760 in America either, but you know, you can paint by numbers the way 1093 01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,039 the Nevada Commission, for example, handles the drug is a drug case. 1094 01:08:30,079 --> 01:08:34,479 Same thing with California. We'll see what happens with New York, but it's 1095 01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:40,560 much more complicated for reasons that seem unknown to me. In Britain, he 1096 01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:45,880 fought in February. For what it's worth, So to me, again we're 1097 01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:49,319 making too much sense. Say, hey, you're sitting out till February and 1098 01:08:49,319 --> 01:08:53,119 then you're reinstated. You can be reinstated in February, so maybe that's what 1099 01:08:53,159 --> 01:08:56,359 they want that way, maybe that's what they'll do. But again we're making 1100 01:08:56,359 --> 01:08:59,840 too much sense. And remember before he got the fight postpone or canceled against 1101 01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:03,079 you Bank, you know, between the time he fought and then he had 1102 01:09:03,119 --> 01:09:06,520 the cubback fight that took place in September, who was seventeen months and he 1103 01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:10,840 didn't fight. Now, that wasn't because of a suspension necessarily, that's right. 1104 01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,680 A good part of it was it was related to his legal fight, 1105 01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:16,960 not being able to get license where he wanted, and then obviously he found 1106 01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,439 the loophole. But the first number of months were because they hadn't even made 1107 01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:24,960 the U Bank fight yet, so he has been off for quite a while. 1108 01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,439 But again we'll let them figure that out. We'll comment on it when 1109 01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,720 they make a decision. All right, One more note, and we did 1110 01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:35,159 make fun of Lieutenant Dan. Lieutenant Dan Hennessy, the ring announcer who botched 1111 01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:43,399 the Women's World bandamweight title fight winning fighter announcing the wrong name in Australia this 1112 01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:48,520 past weekend on the Lomachenko Cambosis undercard. You have an update here on this 1113 01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:53,079 situation. Go ahead. Well it's not really my update, it's not a 1114 01:09:53,079 --> 01:09:59,039 Lieutenant Dan's update. He hosted to his Facebook page afterwards, a very heartfelt 1115 01:09:59,079 --> 01:10:02,840 apology basically for fucking up the situation. And uh and uh, you know 1116 01:10:03,319 --> 01:10:05,880 I can respect that. I mean again, it doesn't I don't like his 1117 01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:09,800 style in the ring of how he announced his fights, but I respect him 1118 01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:14,000 for realizing that he had a very bad errand basically threw himself on the mercy 1119 01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:15,560 of the court and said, I'm sorry, I fucked up my you know, 1120 01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,720 he said, I own it, my bad. I mean what, 1121 01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,760 he can't punish the guy forever for that, I mean, my apology accepted 1122 01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:25,520 the way I look at it. And then and then it was soon after 1123 01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,279 that, so that post was posted, and I forget how long went in 1124 01:10:28,279 --> 01:10:30,840 between. It might have been the next day or whatever. But he basically 1125 01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:32,319 was like, look, you know, once again, I'm really sorry about 1126 01:10:32,319 --> 01:10:35,479 what happened. But uh, he's you know, I've created such a shit 1127 01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:39,479 storm. That was his word ship storm. Uh, and he's been getting 1128 01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:43,520 you know, some people supportive, but a lot of terrible comments also on 1129 01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,239 social media, and that he's been made aware of et cetera that has impacted 1130 01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:50,159 his mental health, and that he had one more ring announcing gig that was 1131 01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:54,000 lined up to guess a friend of his or a promoter friend of his that 1132 01:10:54,079 --> 01:10:56,119 he was going to follow through with just because he wasn't going to leave the 1133 01:10:56,159 --> 01:10:59,359 guy hanging. But after that he was done and he was retiring and quitting 1134 01:10:59,399 --> 01:11:03,279 reing announcing so how about that all right? Well, and the phrase he 1135 01:11:03,359 --> 01:11:05,920 said, as he said at the end of his post, I'm no longer 1136 01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:10,079 the world's punching bag. I'm out. I'm out. Okay, deuces, 1137 01:11:10,079 --> 01:11:12,720 I'm out. As we like to say in the South. They ain't a 1138 01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:17,399 hole big enough to crawl in after that announcement. So we wish him well 1139 01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:25,039 in retirement after owning that botched ring announcement. Okay, nostalgia time, and 1140 01:11:25,039 --> 01:11:28,800 then we're done. We've got a busy show. It was twenty years ago 1141 01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:35,119 earlier this week one of the most remarkable moments in a title fight in the 1142 01:11:35,159 --> 01:11:41,840 modern era of boxing, where Antonio Tarvar not only bombed Roy Jones with a 1143 01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:46,039 one punch knockout, but he did it after a great moment in the pre 1144 01:11:46,119 --> 01:11:49,479 fight instructions when he looked right at Roy Jones and said, you got any 1145 01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:56,640 excuses tonight, Roy, before he did it. It's a remarkable anniversary twenty 1146 01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:00,119 years later that the magic Man tarbar time got knockout over one of the all 1147 01:12:00,119 --> 01:12:01,960 time greats. I know you've gone on and on, and you did most 1148 01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:06,840 recently about Roy Jones as we were talking about, but that was twenty years 1149 01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:11,520 ago. May fifteen, of two thousand and fours. The twentieth anniversary was 1150 01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:15,279 earlier this week as we taped this and release it. All right, So 1151 01:12:15,359 --> 01:12:19,680 what else? What else comes to mind about that moment where Tarvor the indelible 1152 01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:24,560 image of him starching Roy Jones with the one punch, big, big, 1153 01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,279 massive overhead left. I mean he had lost the first round in all three 1154 01:12:27,319 --> 01:12:30,079 scorecards Tarvor, and you thought, okay, maybe Roy's gonna take care of 1155 01:12:30,119 --> 01:12:32,560 business. Remember they had fought the first fight. Well, let's back a 1156 01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,840 couple of bit. Roy had won the heavyweight title against John Ruiz, had 1157 01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:39,880 bulked up and had done that business. And then when he couldn't do a 1158 01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,439 fight, they were trying to make an Evander Holyfield fight. It didn't happen. 1159 01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:45,720 It got messed up in the end and they were not able to put 1160 01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:49,399 the deal together. So he ended up coming back down to the light heavyweight 1161 01:12:49,399 --> 01:12:56,159 division to fight Tarvor, and it was as tough a fight as Jo's had 1162 01:12:56,199 --> 01:12:59,800 ever had. He won both, but he had never been pushed like that. 1163 01:13:00,079 --> 01:13:02,840 He had the DQ loss years earlier against Montel Griffin, but this was 1164 01:13:04,359 --> 01:13:08,239 easily the the one time that Roy looked like he might lose a fight, 1165 01:13:08,359 --> 01:13:11,439 and many people believe he lost the fight to Tarboro. Yeah, I don't. 1166 01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:13,640 I don't personally subscribe to that. But the point was he got a 1167 01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:15,960 really tough fight that night. It was a good fight, and on his 1168 01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,479 worst night, he still showed he had the balls in the heart and he 1169 01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:20,399 got through it. He got his hand raised, and uh, but obviously 1170 01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:23,640 the way that it went, there was a lot of call for a rematch, 1171 01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:27,319 which he ultimately he didn't probably have to give it to him, but 1172 01:13:27,399 --> 01:13:30,720 he gave Tarvor. He gave Tarvar the fight, and they met again, 1173 01:13:31,319 --> 01:13:33,840 as you mentioned twenty years ago, was at the Mandola a day and after 1174 01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:38,760 that first round of Roy, you know al boxing Tarbor pretty handily, Antonio 1175 01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:41,119 Tarbar landed. You know. It was they had known each other from the 1176 01:13:41,159 --> 01:13:44,039 amateur days. They were rivals. They were both from the you know, 1177 01:13:44,199 --> 01:13:46,800 uh, the Tampa area, h Saint you know, Roy from Pensacola, 1178 01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:50,600 but they had that Florida, Orlando and Tampa. He's now got his home 1179 01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:54,560 here in Tampa Bay. But they had boxed in a similar time coming up 1180 01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:58,640 as amateurs and those tournaments together and knew each other well. And uh, 1181 01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:00,960 you know in Tarvor was always been a dangerous puncher, especially with the left 1182 01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:04,880 hand as a southbaw just landed the most incredible shot you'll ever see and Doc 1183 01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:10,479 Roy down, very very very hard, completely knocked him into another dimension. 1184 01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:14,439 Somewhow Roy actually got off and made it beat the count, but he was 1185 01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:19,479 wabbling all over the place and the ref was a double impact. His head 1186 01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:23,520 slammed on the map, and that's why he was cuckoo trying to get to 1187 01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,039 his feet and even be there in the fight's over. But I don't think 1188 01:14:26,039 --> 01:14:30,479 people today can understand how shocking this was, because whatever you think about what 1189 01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:36,840 happened in the Tarboro first fight, Roy was untouchable. He didn't lose rounds 1190 01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:42,319 for like the years, he'd been the pound for pound king of the world 1191 01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:46,920 for literally a decade. He had risen from middleweight to heavyweight and won titles. 1192 01:14:47,079 --> 01:14:51,279 He had beaten Bernard Hopkins easily. He had been James Tody easily, 1193 01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:55,760 who was number one on some people's minds pound for amount at that time. 1194 01:14:56,079 --> 01:14:59,520 He had gone up and dominated in the light heavyweight division, become the undisputed 1195 01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,479 champion, and being a lot of top guys, some crappy guys also, 1196 01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:06,279 but he had beaten guys like Virgil Hill and other credible fighters, you know, 1197 01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:10,640 Reggie Johnson, you know Lou del Val pick a guy, and he 1198 01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:14,479 had then taken up because there was no competition for him. He finally went 1199 01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,239 up to heavyweight and fought John Ruiz, who maybe wasn't like the champion, 1200 01:15:17,279 --> 01:15:20,439 but he was a WBA champion and he was like at worse, like a 1201 01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:25,039 top four heavyweight at that time. And he didn't just beat him, he 1202 01:15:25,159 --> 01:15:27,960 routed him. He went easily. He was a masterpiece. And so to 1203 01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:32,680 see Tarvar forget about win, but to knock him out, it wasn't like 1204 01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:36,520 he got stopped on his feet, got stopped by a cut, essentially went 1205 01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:41,720 to sleep even though his feet. So that was as stunning as a guess. 1206 01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:44,800 My my thing about that fight in which I remember is because I was 1207 01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:48,119 not present in the building then. Now I had gone to Las Vegas the 1208 01:15:48,199 --> 01:15:55,600 previous week to cover the first fight between Manny Packet and Juan Manuel Marquez and 1209 01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:59,720 was supposed to just stay for the full extra week and then cover Jones and 1210 01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,720 tarr Uh on this. You know that next Saturday after you know, back 1211 01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:06,079 to back saturdays in Vegas for two fights. I built that over over the 1212 01:16:06,119 --> 01:16:11,199 period of time, you know, a few different occasions. Unfortunately, right 1213 01:16:11,279 --> 01:16:15,319 before the main, before the pak Yao and Marquees fight, my grandmother had 1214 01:16:15,359 --> 01:16:19,720 passed away, so I went to her funeral in Florida. I came home 1215 01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:23,520 from that funeral, I packed my ship and I went to Vegas to cover 1216 01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:29,039 Marquez and pack Yaw. And by the time that had occurred, Uh, 1217 01:16:29,159 --> 01:16:30,520 it was just too much. There was stuff and with my family, I 1218 01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:33,279 just I had a gleave. I just could not stay. I was dealing 1219 01:16:33,319 --> 01:16:36,399 with too much grief with my grandma hadn't passed, and so I left Vegas 1220 01:16:36,399 --> 01:16:40,199 and did not stay for that fight. And it's the only time I ever 1221 01:16:40,239 --> 01:16:42,399 did that. But you know, you have to do what you gotta do 1222 01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:45,079 sometimes, So uh, I did that. I left and I did not 1223 01:16:45,119 --> 01:16:46,199 stay for that fight. Obviously I watched the fight on paper, but I 1224 01:16:46,239 --> 01:16:49,279 was rather shocked. Like everybody else, I certainly did not have that expectation. 1225 01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:51,359 But so whenever I think about that fight, I think that it was 1226 01:16:51,359 --> 01:16:55,000 around the time that my grandmother had passed and why I was not there. 1227 01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:58,600 Uh. But it was a very historical victory for Antonio Tarbor and then to 1228 01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:02,000 make it uh even more clear that he was the better man. They ultimately 1229 01:17:02,039 --> 01:17:06,399 had a third fight and he defeated Roy Jones once again pretty handily, and 1230 01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:11,560 Roy had Downtown Tampa Downtown. I was not there that night. I remember 1231 01:17:12,039 --> 01:17:14,520 you were there, You were there. I was not there in downtown Tampa 1232 01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,439 when he beat Roy in the twelve round decision. But I'm just remember remember 1233 01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:21,720 between the knockout and the second fight that we're talking about and the one sided 1234 01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:26,199 decision he took in the third fight, Roy had followed up the Tarvor knockout 1235 01:17:26,359 --> 01:17:30,520 by getting absolutely pummeled and destroyed and knocked out even worse by Glenn Johnson when 1236 01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:35,279 they met later in two thousand and four, and basically Tarvar finished Roy his 1237 01:17:35,399 --> 01:17:40,039 career as a top fighter, and Glenn Johnson kicked dirt on it. And 1238 01:17:40,119 --> 01:17:43,640 even though Roy and then Tarvor whatever, he finished him completely in the third 1239 01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,000 fight. And amazingly, from two thousand and five after the third Tarbor fight, 1240 01:17:46,039 --> 01:17:50,560 when Roy was basically left for dead following two losses to Antonio Tarvor and 1241 01:17:51,159 --> 01:17:57,920 the destruction against Glenn Johnson, he actually fought for another you know, up 1242 01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:01,159 until another ten years, more than ten years. You know, he never, 1243 01:18:01,399 --> 01:18:04,399 he never, you know, he beat like an aging Felix Trenet would 1244 01:18:04,399 --> 01:18:08,600 come out of retirement and fought him that light heavyweight and he beaten like a 1245 01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:12,920 couple other guys. He had lost lopsidedly to Kalzaggi, but he continued to 1246 01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,640 fight. You know, he beat like a Lacey and a Omar Sheika. 1247 01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:17,520 But he never was at the top level. He was getting knocked out by 1248 01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:23,319 guys. He got drilled by Danny Green in Australia in a in a fight 1249 01:18:23,359 --> 01:18:26,640 that people forget about because it was so far away and wasn't really known here. 1250 01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:29,600 He did show up and had absolutely nothing. I actually went to this 1251 01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:32,000 fight when he thought Bernard Hopkins in the rematch and he got you know, 1252 01:18:32,279 --> 01:18:35,600 just toyed with, which was sad to see a fight that nobody really cared 1253 01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:40,359 about. Anyway. He played out the string, but his career basically ended 1254 01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:44,560 as a meaningful fighter. In retrospect on the night that Tarver knocked him out 1255 01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:46,319 in the second round and Roy Jones prior to that, he was one of 1256 01:18:46,359 --> 01:18:48,760 the greatest fighters I've ever seen. I say it all the time, best 1257 01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:53,079 fighter I ever recovered in terms of his overall talent, first ballot Hall of 1258 01:18:53,079 --> 01:18:58,039 Famer, you know, just phenomenally conveying this again for the newbies, the 1259 01:18:58,119 --> 01:19:00,680 gen z and whatever the think again boxing began in two thousand and nine. 1260 01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:05,640 The guy was virtually untouchable. And that's what made this so shocking that Tarvor 1261 01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:10,600 touched him up after that epic moment where they don't they don't really allow that 1262 01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:14,000 anymore trash talk on the PA, but Tarbar cracked off the line you got 1263 01:19:14,359 --> 01:19:17,039 because the referee whoever it was, said I'll tell you you have any who 1264 01:19:17,119 --> 01:19:20,439 was it, Well, I'll tell you so. It was Jane eighty. 1265 01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:26,439 All right, So Jane Eady says, do you have any questions? Says 1266 01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:30,159 you got the excuses tonight by well no, he first head fan first, 1267 01:19:30,159 --> 01:19:33,159 he said yeah I got a question, Yeah he got any. But then 1268 01:19:33,239 --> 01:19:38,800 the follow up that made it even more so fucking classic was Jane eighty answered 1269 01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:42,640 him going, no, we're not going to ask questions like that, and 1270 01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:45,560 then and then he ended it with the with the big punch. Tarbor time 1271 01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:49,000 still knocking around still on the golf courses in North Tampa. By the way, 1272 01:19:49,199 --> 01:19:53,640 I run in him, I run into him here and there, all 1273 01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:56,880 right, so one more bit of nostalgia. And we did make mention a 1274 01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:00,039 couple of times that Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis are, They're in Saudi Arabia. 1275 01:20:00,079 --> 01:20:03,359 They were in the front row of the press conference Thursday night for Fury 1276 01:20:03,399 --> 01:20:06,800 and Usik, And you just want to make mention on the significance of this 1277 01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:12,399 fight one more time that going back to Lenox Lewis and Evander Holyfield, that's 1278 01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:16,119 the last time that all the prominent belts were up for grabs when Lewis and 1279 01:20:16,359 --> 01:20:19,520 Holyfield fought their rematch in ninety nine. Right, that was at a time 1280 01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:23,840 when it was three belts required to be the undisputed champion. Obviously that the 1281 01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:28,039 WBO didn't exist at that time, but there was nobody, I don't deal 1282 01:20:28,039 --> 01:20:31,720 with revisionist history at that time, nobody thought that you needed a WBO title 1283 01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:35,520 belt to be an undisputed champion. So Vander and Lenox and a very hard 1284 01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:40,119 deal to make, had boxed each other in March of nineteen ninety nine for 1285 01:20:40,279 --> 01:20:45,760 the three main titles IBFWBCWBA, and fought to a split draw. A highly 1286 01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:53,359 controversial, massively controversial decision. Most everybody other than two of those judges thought 1287 01:20:53,399 --> 01:20:57,079 that Lennox Lewis was the clear winner, and it was you know, a 1288 01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:00,479 you know, not to use the cliche, but among the black guys that 1289 01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:02,680 have been inflicted on boxing, that was one of the worst because that took 1290 01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:06,399 a fight that was such a mainstream, huge event Madison Square Guard in New 1291 01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:10,359 York City, the eyes of the sports world on that fight, and boxing 1292 01:21:10,359 --> 01:21:14,520 fucked it up because of just two terrible, terrible scorecards. Obviously, they 1293 01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:16,239 did a rematch that took place later in nineteen ninety nine. That was in 1294 01:21:16,279 --> 01:21:19,760 November. They took it out to Las Vegas at the Thomason Max Center and 1295 01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:24,000 they fought again, and it was a much more competitive fight this time around. 1296 01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:28,399 Some people actually thought Lennox won the second fight, even though Lenox Lewis 1297 01:21:28,399 --> 01:21:30,640 got his hand raised and became the undisputed champion. But he was a lot 1298 01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:32,800 more competitive against Lenox in the rematch than he was in the first fight. 1299 01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:36,159 But in any event, Lenox ended up winning a unanimous decision of one to 1300 01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:41,079 seventeen one, sixteen one twelve won fifteen one thirteen. It was a more 1301 01:21:41,159 --> 01:21:45,760 entertaining fight frankly than the first fight, and Lennox Lewis became the undisputed champion, 1302 01:21:46,039 --> 01:21:50,399 which there hasn't been one, and we'll see what hopefully crown barring a 1303 01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:55,039 draw or some no contest on Saturday between Fury and Usick. And I do 1304 01:21:55,119 --> 01:22:00,199 find it u pretty cool actually that Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis as the as 1305 01:22:00,199 --> 01:22:02,800 the last man to compete in an undisputed title fight, who are obviously all 1306 01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:06,439 time greats and Hall of famers. They're there in Riot present for this fight. 1307 01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:12,119 I was somewhat nostalgic, if you will, maybe moved a little bit 1308 01:22:12,359 --> 01:22:14,680 ilmost got a little bit choked up about it when I was watching the press 1309 01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:17,479 conference, and uh, and you see, here's the big teddy bear you're 1310 01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:21,560 getting. I appreciate the historical elements of this, and I don't I think 1311 01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:27,880 it's important when Lennox Lewis became the undisputed champion. H my dear departed friend, 1312 01:22:28,319 --> 01:22:31,119 the great Emmanuel Stewart was his trainer. Manuel was not with us anymore 1313 01:22:31,119 --> 01:22:33,880 he died a number of years ago, but he was the trainer of the 1314 01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:38,640 last undisputed heavyweight champion, and sitting next to Tyson Fury on the day it 1315 01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:42,520 says they prepare for this undisputed championship fight is sugar Hill Stewart, which is 1316 01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:46,640 Emmanuel Stewart's nephew. So if Tyson Fury is the winner, you'll have the 1317 01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:51,119 last two undisputed heavyweight champions one trained by Emmanuel and one trained by his nephew, 1318 01:22:51,119 --> 01:22:56,960 who was obviously the integral part of teaching sugar Hill his you know, 1319 01:22:57,039 --> 01:23:00,720 his uh way to train and to be part of that legacy, to have 1320 01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:03,680 the you know, have it stay in the family. But even if he 1321 01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:08,079 doesn't win, the fact of the matter is the last two undisputed heavyweight championship 1322 01:23:08,119 --> 01:23:12,399 fights, you'll have a Steward in the quarter of one of these top heavyweights. 1323 01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:15,439 So I thought that was pretty interesting. Twenty five years later now, 1324 01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:17,920 when they fought the second fight, the big HBO pay per view fight at 1325 01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:23,920 the time, it's set the all time gate record in the Thompson accident, 1326 01:23:24,039 --> 01:23:28,640 around twenty million dollars for that fight, and it was it was a specter 1327 01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:30,439 loss, so it was a big, big event. And my understanding is 1328 01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:34,319 Lennox Lewis is going to be part of the broadcast on his Zone I don't 1329 01:23:34,359 --> 01:23:36,760 know that it's on everybody, because I think there's a different broadcast, as 1330 01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:40,560 you mentioned in the UK. We were stall there and it's not clear whether 1331 01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:44,319 he's on the call, but he on he's on part of the broadcast, 1332 01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:46,159 one of the fund It's just to be clear once again, yep. And 1333 01:23:46,199 --> 01:23:49,239 I can't speak for what's happening in the UK. If you watch this fight 1334 01:23:49,279 --> 01:23:54,600 on PPV dot comm H, you watch this fight on ESPN plus pay per 1335 01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:56,800 view, or if you watch this fight on his own pay per view, 1336 01:23:57,319 --> 01:24:00,520 those three broadcasts are going to be identical. It is pretty deduced by the 1337 01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,119 zone it's being carried on the various platforms. What they're doing in the UK, 1338 01:24:03,159 --> 01:24:05,399 I'm not entirely sure about. But Lennox Lewis. If you take a 1339 01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:10,000 look at the at the photo that the Zone put up on their social media 1340 01:24:10,159 --> 01:24:13,199 where they put up who their broadcast team is, it's a little crazy. 1341 01:24:13,239 --> 01:24:15,840 They got ten different people that are involved in this event in sub fashion, 1342 01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:18,039 and Lenox is one of them. It is a long card for you know, 1343 01:24:18,079 --> 01:24:21,239 eight fights, but that seems a bit excessive. But Lennox Lewis rightly 1344 01:24:21,279 --> 01:24:25,720 should be part of these very experience as a broadcaster, and like we've talked 1345 01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,760 that he's the last love dispute of heavyweight champ of the world. Listen, 1346 01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,840 it has been a busy show. Why don't we reconvene you and I on 1347 01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:36,239 the bet Us Boxing Show one Eastern Time. Cannot wait to handicap puri Usik 1348 01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:43,560 as well as the Opataiah bradst Co feature fight for the Cruiserweight IBF vacant title, 1349 01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:45,000 as well as the Ammanuel Navarat fight. We're gonna have to cap all 1350 01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:48,920 those fights Friday, one Eastern Time. Bet Us platforms, YouTube, Twitter, 1351 01:24:49,039 --> 01:24:54,520 Twitch, et cetera, and whatever happens, my friend, we will 1352 01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,840 come back up board with a Fight Freaks U Night recap podcast on this very 1353 01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:02,279 podcast feed off the weekend Sunday night into Monday. In the meantime, be 1354 01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:05,680 well, we'll talk to you on the bet US show and we'll read you 1355 01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:10,079 on your substack as well anything else. Dan Rayfield ready to go if you're 1356 01:25:10,079 --> 01:25:13,760 are you sick ready? I'm ready, but I'm not fighting, That's true. 1357 01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:17,279 We're just watching and commenting and doing more again reading him more on the 1358 01:25:17,319 --> 01:25:20,720 Fight Freaking Unit substack. Get more of the previews from Big Fight Weekend dot 1359 01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:25,520 Com and we will talk to you again on the Fight Freaks Unit recap with 1360 01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:30,960 whatever happens for Dan Rayfield on TJ Reeves. Enjoy the undisputed heavyweight title fight looming