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Weird things happened in the backyards.
Weird, weird, weird. Wow.

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Welcome to bless this episode and even
though he was on with us last week,

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we have my cousin Lee today.
This is gonna be open ended.

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Yeah, conversational approach with Lee and
and and sharing some more candid, you

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know, moments between us. Lee
Smith, welcome. Yeah, I'm very

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happy to be here. I've been
a long time listener. Yeah, you

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had like that, you've been You've
been really super supportive since day one.

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That's very kind of you. Let's
listened to every episode. Yeah, I'm

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the only one I hadn't listened to. And I told Ryan this a little

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while ago. I didn't listen to
Isaac Weisop two Okay, and it was

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because I hadn't watched Twin Peaks.
Oh yeah, but either and then I

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spoil it. Then I listened to
it and it was good, So I

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am caught up. Okay. Actually, though, did y'all do an episode

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on like a full episode on the
don't the Bagel? What's the big?

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Oh? Everything everywhere all at once? That's a full episode? Okay.

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I've talked about it, Okay,
then I have because I felt like I

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skipped that episode, but it didn't
exist. Skipped it because it didn't exist.

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Yeah, so I have I'm caught
up and all, Yeah, I'm

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the best episode to skip. Yeah, yeah, that's true, is the

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one that doesn't exist. So true, Lee's hurt every episode we've we've intended

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to get him on the show when
the time is right, and this summer

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just it just worked out. And
also, like, not only have you

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listened to every episode, but we
grew up together and you know, since

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we've been babies, I mean our
birthdays were even ten days apart, and

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and you know, like our moms
or sisters, so like we've we've just

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naturally been a part of each other's
you know, lives the whole time.

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Yeah. And Lee was around when
a lot of this stuff was coming out,

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and I think that, like you
have an interesting perspective on what that

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was like in the family when the
two thousand and eight documentary came out.

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Yeah, so I did get a
Fayetteville incident, shure, the lime green

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one with the UFO. I had
one cool we watched The Night of the

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Whole Family, and I didn't I
just didn't understand straight up, like because

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you were how I would have been
eleven, Yeah, twelve, Yeah,

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because I was fifteen. You said
it aired in two thousand and eight.

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Yeah you should, I would have
been twelve. Yeah. Yeah, our

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birthday is the same month. So
if I was fifteen, you were twelve.

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Yeah, so I did. I
watched it. I just was already

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I was still Christian in that way. I was much more adhering, and

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it was very confusing. Well,
you just said something that was truly a

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revelation to me that I had no
knowledge of. You just said that that

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night, your whole family watched it. We watched it. All all of

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us were there that Yeah, we
watched. I remember standing up. You

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know, I'm just driving a house
that doesn't even exist anymore. But we

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I was, you know, standing
up, and then the family was over

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on the right and all that we
sat and all watched it, and I

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it seemed I don't remember that super
well. I remember the shirts though.

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So y'all were all at the big
party thing, the big gathering. Now

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we did it at our own house. No, I'm just we had all

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separately watched. Ye you never knew
that. Nobody ever came up and was

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like, yeah, I love the
show. I get this a good point.

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Yeah, it was more like,
don't talk about it. Yeah you

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know, yeah, I mean I
watched it so I as a kid,

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I'll, i'll, they'll do a
little backstory to to lead up to that.

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I don't know if you knew this, probably not. I was huge.

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I was absolutely obsessed with ghosts and
UFOs. Like I would go to

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the school library in elementary school and
check out ghost books, real ghost stories

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and like that's you know. I
had made a joke about the Abraham Lincoln

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of the boots thing, but everyone
knows it, and that was one of

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them. You didn't know that what? No? What? The White House

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is haunted? No? Yeah,
okay, but y'all don't know. You

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just casually we made a break for
a second and hear that. Yeah I'm

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interested. Yeah, yeah, I
mean it's super simple. I mean,

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there's a lot of different presidents.
I don't I guess it's weird that so

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there's a lot of presidents who would
report seeing Abraham Lincoln strapping up his boots

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in a bed in one of the
rooms in the White House and he would

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roam around it. There's other ghosts
I can't remember who I can't believe you

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didn't know that though. Yeah,
it's one of the most famous ghosts in

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the like I want to read it's
super fascinating. Did they have books,

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you read books about it? Yeah, but they were kid books. But

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they were you know, it was
like real image of a castle and then

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the things that would go on in
the castle and the bumps and all that.

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It was like a true stories book. Yeah, yeah, but it

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was it was nonfiction, you know, and it metaphysical nonfiction. And yeah,

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the fact that you were interested in
that as a kid was yeah,

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you were. So I was already
boost exactly. And then UFO is the

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same thing. I can see it. There's a lot of UFO photos that

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are the same thing for me,
where I like, there's the image of

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the ghostwoman walking down the stairs and
it's just like this weird form. It

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looks messed up like it's it's almost
like just a dress that's on fire.

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It looks rad it's cool. Like, so I was always really big in

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the ghost books. And then UFOs
the same life with the weird cloud that's

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got the buldest shape. I don't
think you've probably seen it totally. Some

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of the most quintessential images for UFOs
and ghosts. That's what I was really

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into. So and then like I
was always very afraid too, so like

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I would read these books and then
get really scared, like all the time.

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I would do it all the time, like kids, and we would

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hear ourselves with staplers. Yeah,
just no. Well, when you have

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three, you know, three boys
in the same house, it's like like

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who can do the dumber thing?
You know, it's like competing with each

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other. Who gets that's pretty what
I can jump off the the bike,

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you know, it's always going harder
and harder the ram thing. I'm on

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board with them. But I never
stapled myself. I mean it's like I

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never you know, you purpose,
You're like, I wonder how bad this

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would hurt? Stab yourself in the
arm of the knife. No, neverne

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that, never like that. It
was unintentional. But I definitely pierced being

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like the fat of my yeah,
all the way through. Yeah, I

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did that one time too. I
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I got a little pocket knife.
They get the Blue Ridge Parkway and I

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was stabbing into it and it went, it slipped and just pierced my hands.

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One of my hands. I definitely
stabbed a part of my thumb.

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I don't remember, but on purpose. No, no, I've never stabbed

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myself. A stabler. You know
when you're a kid and you would like

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take like a sewing needle and you
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it on. Yeah yeah, yeah, like stuff like that. Yeah yeah,

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I mean hurt and you're like,
it's funny. That's a universal experience.

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Everyone did that. It's wild.
I would do it in class.

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I wouldn't even pay attention. I
would just get like a safety pin and

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would just do it and be like
and then like the finger floating a hot

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dog thing. Yeah, yeah,
that's People always would say that's the like,

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that's where the blind spot is.
It's not true. You know you

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have a blind spot. Yeah,
I mean do you know how you can

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find it? Everyone can do it. So you close one eye, right,

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do it? I'm serious, Everyone
close one eye, put your thumb

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out all the way arms length,
stare at it center, keep your eye

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on that point right, and then
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it's your right, I do it
that way and your thumb will disappear.

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Swear huh wait, huh, you're
doing it. Right, you're doing it

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wrong. Oh you gotta do use
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What do you focus on the center
point where your thumb is and then keep

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it focused on that point and then
drag it thumb right and it disappears whoa

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later. Yeah, but that's the
blind spot. That's the little point you're

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right now that doesn't gather information,
but your brain blurs it to hide it.

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Oh my god, what the hell
you blew my mind disappear as a

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Teddy classic? What the hell?
Yeah? You know, you know what,

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it's really interesting to know that you
were like into phenomenon a Jason oh

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yangs. Yeah, I was so
into it. I question, Yeah,

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what were you more afraid of ghosts? Really? But now I'm like,

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please let me see a ghosts.
I want to see it. Take me

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to a haunted house, Like ghosts
are just inherently scarier, Like yeah,

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by nature, well it's uncanny,
like it's a dead person and by your

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reckoning, you know, like that's
someone who's not alive, they're at all,

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Yeah, at least you know,
in the in that idea. Yeah.

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So yeah, I've always been super
fascinated with ghosts and stuff like that.

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I love cryptids. You know,
I've always loved like Bigfoot. You

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know, like you've always liked Bigfoot. Do you have a fave cryptid?

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Man? Come on, there's a
festival and Point Pleasant. I want to

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go through this. There's a festival. They do it every year annually and

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Point Pleasant. For me, that
dude, that's pretty cool. So what

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was the vibe? Like, I
mean you don't have to like point out

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anybody in specific, but like,
yeah, yeah, what was the vibe

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like when all the like initial stuff
started happening. It's mean, it's how

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you describe it pretty much. There's
a lot of don't talk about it.

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It's not it's either not true or
it's not saying yeah, or you know,

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drugs and drinking, like drinking,
you know. And then seven other

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people I don't four there were five
total. Five yeah, five other people.

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Yeah. So it's always been that
way where it's never like I've never

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been encouraged to ask questions about it. Because did you ever ask questions about

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it? No? I didn't not
until if I'm being honest, I mean

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I didn't really ask me, but
like to other people, no, I

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mean I would say that, like
I've never been keen on asking questions because

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you know how the response was,
yeah, I guess, yeah, but

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I don't mean that negatively. That's
just kind of like you can have the

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most perfect parents and you still really
don't. Well, there's a dynamic when

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you're children. Yeah, you know, sometimes we forget about this as adults,

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but it really was like twenty years
ago. When you're a kid,

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it's kind of like I don't want
my mom and dad to know exact you

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know what I mean. It's like
the kid I want to get in trouble.

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I can sure, I can't assure
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knowing. I was reading about ghosts
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I mean I got saved at seven, and I was doing ghosts things at

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like five and six, like as
soon as I could pretty much. Maybe

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not five, that seems pretty early. I don't imagine I was going through

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a library. Yeah, yeah,
it would have been second or third grade

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early I was thinking about it.
Yeah, Like, but I've always had

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a huge fascination with ghosts. I've
always thought they were super cool. I

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mean, I like ghost stories like
something like you know, you saw VHS.

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You don't like it very much.
But my favorite one is also Saw

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that like ten years ago. Yeah, I'd probably like it. It hasn't

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aged as well. What are we
talking about. It's a movie called Lee

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Shares the Fascination with horror films.
Yeah yeah, I'm just like as insane

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as Ryan and it's about horror movie. I'm gonna make a joke, but

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I won't. You have some of
the same faves. What's the other thing

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of Hereditary? D easy clap?
Void? You recommend? The Void is

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incredible? That one and my good
friend Brandon I love him to death.

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Yoh out, Brandon love him.
I'm I'm like pretty spooked by I know,

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scary stuff. So okay the Void? Where is that on the spectrum

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of spookiness? It's it's weird,
It's it's intense. It is intense.

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I because I would sorry, how
dare you touch my toes? I'll do

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it again. So like the Void, horror movies are weird because like Hereditary

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is scary. It actually it's scary. It's actually scary. I like as

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above, so below that's pretty scary. I would say it's on the spectrum.

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Yeah you know what I mean,
Like it's it's not like terrifying to

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me. But it's like it's scary
to an entry level, Like I could

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see you know, it's scary,
but the void the thing color out of

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space. I saw that you could
handle the void. I I you know

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better what movies I've seen and what
from Nick's perspective, Okay, the void

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would be. It's it's it's a
pretty it's a pretty horrific film. What

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dude, you're desensitized, Lee.
Okay, you're wearing shirts about the binding

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of like you know they're like the
love my little weird little boys who like

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go into hell and like fight these
derangements. Well they only go into Shiel.

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Well I think at my point,
Yeah, you're you're desensitized to horror

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films. Yeah, Nick, Like, dude, remember the void is like

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it's terrific, putrid dismemberment of these
cosmic creatures coming through from the void.

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And it's it's a pretty intensive.
It's funny because my like, my aversion

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to horror is very specific. Is
it jump scares? Yes, there's no

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jumps. I can't say that.
There's definitely some. It's the jump scare

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and the tension building up to the
jump scarre hereditary. It makes me literally

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like going to panic heredit. Terry
doesn't ever break that tension. That's why

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it works so well. It never
breaks the tension. It never once breaks

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the tension ever. Yeah, I
can't do that. But like, you

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know, I love like the Witch. Witch is awesome. If you can

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handle the Witch, you can handle
the Void, right, I mean the

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Witch is freaking wild. I'm just
crazy. Yeah, I'm coming from a

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place that The Void is one of
those films where it's like very atmospheric,

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Yeah, ominous, Like it's one
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induce this dread, like there's absolutely
no chance of survival, and The Void

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does kind of do that. It's
like crawling in corridors by like deranged beasts

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from another dimension that are like,
you know, after you in tight space.

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It's like it's a very intense move. Yeah, you know what I

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mean. But I guess if you're
if you, let's watch it and we'll

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report on it. Yeah. Yeah, have you ever experienced the feeling of

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being chased? It's the scary feeling
of being chased or trapped? Yeah,

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Like if you ever played like Minecraft, as silly as that is, Like,

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have you ever been running away from
an Enderman. Well, I have

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scary rights. Scary. It kind
of induces that sometimes I can see where

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you're coming from with that. Nick, did you ever play Slenderman? Did

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you play slender at the seven Pages? I did eight pages? Sorry I

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did. That's scary, Yeah it
is. It's it's pretty spooky. It's

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weird because like some horror movie lender
some horror movies I can just handle great,

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no problem. Midsummer is like,
I don't know if that's a thriller.

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Well, it's actually considered a comedy, a black comedy. I love

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like thriller. It's very funny.
Like The Shining is one of my favorite

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movies of all time. It's Alien
is probably my favorite horror movie ever.

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It's like, oh my god,
Alien's amazing. I never I've never seen

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anything like the moment when the replicant
it gets revealed. Nothing like it nothing

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because you know you never see it
coming. No, and then it happens

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and you're like, it is going
to do one of the worst feeling rug

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pulls. You can Oh, yeah, the thing is better. That's unfair.

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I love the thing. It's very
good. Yeah you would like the

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thing. Yeah, you would you
would love I've been he's been telling me

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that for like over a year.
Now, I'm ready to watch it.

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I'll watch it. And the Void
is basically it's just inspired I think,

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yes, yes, yeah. The
premise is like they're trapped in a hospital

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like around a cult and they're like
really trying. It's a cult. I'm

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trying to It is like the article, and they are constantly being attacked by

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the clear things. Well, they're
being attacked by the cold. The colt

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is like sacrificing them to open a
doorway to the void where these entities are

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coming through from another dimension. Ye, it's both. Yeah, it's like

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they're being stalked by these psycho killers
with knives. But then there's like demonic

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monsters. Yeah, and it's all
practical effects. Yeah, you know what's

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crazy. Since we're talking about the
thing in prosthetics, have you seen what

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the Thing from twenty eleven was gonna
be? I haven't watched it. I

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haven't either, but it's all cg
and everyone hates it for that reason.

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They had prosthetics practically, Yeah,
you tricked. I'm trying to say,

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they had practical effects that were crazy. But then the movie got rushed out

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and they couldn't. Yeah, like
there's one of the things that they would

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do, how the thing where it
was a piston with a silicon like ball

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on it, so when it would
it would be like an eye opening and

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closing from like a sphincter type or
if it was. It was disgusting,

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but it was so good. It
was so good. It's always going to

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be more impressed with practical effects.
Yeah, it's always better, and then

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it's gotten so convincing. Yeah,
it looks yeah, like even thinking about

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well Star Wars episode spoiler, but
like when when episode seven came out,

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they went back to, like I
love mostly practical effects, and it was

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like the charm was back the chart. There's nothing that's cap episode four though,

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episodes four. In my episode four
is my favorite. Yeah, I

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love the vibe of a man playing
with toys because that's what it is.

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Honestly, though, like we gotta
all agree, cg I Yoda is better

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than puppet Yoda. No, it
depends, yes, yes, because he'd

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be in puppet puppet form in the
fur in the in theriginal in the original

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and episode is Yoda's goofy. Yeah. In episode one, the phantom menace.

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Yeah, but puppet is when they
you know, will say when that

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makes a return, Yeah, it's
it's fired. It's so fire. Bro,

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Oh my god. But i mean, look, the thing is like,

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yes, CG. Yoda like pops
off with all the cool action.

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Yeah, but puppet Yoda spits facts. Yes, so you know he's going

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to say something important. Luminous beings
are we Oh my god, bros crude

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material? Yeah, bro, he's
just spitting facts. So Okay, what

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age were you when you started to, you know, get into the phenomenon

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stuff with their family, Like we
never really talked about this openly until we

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were adults. Yeah, I would
say probably. So I've always I'll preface

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it by saying, I've always believed
y'all, but I've always been confused where

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it fit into Christianity. Yeah,
because that's always what you do, right,

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You try to define it with what
you with, like you know,

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and what I knew was Christianity.
So like I tried to make it fit.

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Sorry, it doesn't fit. Ye. I mean when first I was

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I know, that's not really for
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Yeah. So like I've always known, I've always felt like I've always

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believed, but I never and I
can't like approach all about it because it's

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confusing. It's something, it's weird. I could have obviously, I could

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have. Yeah, we would have
been happy. I know, you know,

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I you know, it's too late
to regret it, but I do

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feel. Yeah, I was like, you know what I mean, I

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was really coming. You are not
on the list of people who made this

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hard. There's nothing to read it
close. Yes, no, I'm just

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saying it would have been okay if
he did. Yeah, I know,

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I know. Yeah, but I've
always you know, I've sat in in

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the red room. I sat in. We watched Catching big Foot. What

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is it? Yeah, I think
it was tracking what is I don't remember,

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but I know the shore you're talking
about is foot or something like that.

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Yeah, we've watched that, watching
that, and I loved it because

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I love you know, I've always
loved cryptids. I love my I've loved

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the Fresno Nightcrawler. You know what
that is. It's a it's a it's

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a security it's a home security footage
video of what's essentially white sweatpants with eyes.

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They're walking and it's like a big
one and a little one. What

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dude, look at it? I
love heard of that one. I love

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the yo did y'all see uh Lee, you're on TikTok right, Like yeah,

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okay, well that is not a
shameful I love. No, it's

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just I'm not really I have I
just swipe. I like. It has

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a lot of drawbacks, but it's
it's there's so much amazing information content.

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I'm worse with Twitter. Last month
there was like an explosion of gnome videos.

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Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah, wait wait yeah,

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it's exactly what it is. Don't
don't think too hard about it. There

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was an explosion of people posting videos
that they were claiming was no, it

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must have come off of the me
as a baby. It must have come

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up. I can hear that song
in my dreams, like the little song,

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dude. I swear like there's just
been a resurgence of like you know,

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little cryptids, cryptids and little uh
No, it's folklore. Okay,

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I would say, but there's a
fine line between the two. They do

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like I would, I don't,
I wouldn't say, and I don't like

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saying wind to go too much.
There's you know, there's some negative it's

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in the the native sphere. It's
like inviting it something with skin Walker.

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I shouldn't say it, but like
you can't avoid it the same thing in

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a way. It's from what I
understand, I'm white. I don't know

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for sure, you know, but
like the that can google and read exactly.

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Yeah, But like what I understand
is it's like cloak, like like

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nine tails cloak. You gain the
ability that's like you're not it's not like

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explains walking from what that might help
you a little better. What I understand

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about window Go is this like possession. That's okay, Well those two are

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separate. Like that's based on like
a curse that you get driven to a

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point of desperation and it the curse
of that and habits you, and then

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you consume, and then the more
you consume, the more intense it gets.

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They get to a point where they
eat their own lips. It becomes

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so ravenous. The window Go,
okay, is a window Go slash skin

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Walker's okay, They're definitely different.
Are they considered types in a way?

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It just depends. It's it's it's
native lore, okay, It's the window

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Go is algonquin I don't know what
the skin walker is if I'm okay,

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yeah, I mean they're is it
one of those things where like people's belief

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can Yeah, it's like this.
It's like you think you seem shows like

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Supernatural and all this other pop culture
media. There's video games about it where

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the window goes like a creature,
yeah, but the belief is more like

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it's a spirit, yeah, that
takes over you and you on a rampage

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through the window go yeah, and
you become like this feral, demonic spirit

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and it's undying and you'reiblistic, and
they like they really believe this, like

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they will have. That's wild,
and that's why we don't like it's frowned

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upon to talk about it by name
in some in some tribes for that.

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But I'm like Harry Potter bro I'm
like, but the same thing with a

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skin walker, the same kind of
thing. The it's more of like the

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ability. I don't like planes walking
in the magic, the gathering types fear.

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Of course, you're not learning to
walk across planes. You're learning to

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change your shape physically, and it's
wild. It's super fascinating. I love

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both stories. I love both lures
very much, but they're not cryptids,

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I wouldn't. They're definitely lore or
folklore myth more appropriate. But you know,

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I think Mothman's kind of gotten to
that point a little bit too.

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It's a bit of both, a
bit of lore, bit of cryptid big

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big foots the same way I mean, y'all have your own spiritual you know,

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y'all have a mythos of your own
for the big Foot in its own

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way. We like your dad's incredible
dream, and it cross references with like

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I think it's called far Site,
which is where the the not the Monroe

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they later got involved in Monroe,
but the the army, the projects target,

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you know, remote viewers. They
were getting similar hits about big Foot,

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you know, liked, yes,
similar, You've talked about the dream,

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Yeah, and on the show It's
very cool. In the eighties they

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were getting similar information. And then
Dad had that dream. So and just

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to refresh my memories that like,
the Bigfoot is a species from some other

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realm or some other planet. Well, well, what happened to Dad's dream

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is they were on another planet.
I can't recall the name. I don't

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even know if they were given one
in Dad's dream. That not Monroe,

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I keep saying Monroe. The remote
viewers with Project Stargate, I think they

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called it like mar Duke or something
like that, or maybe that's even an

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other literature. But they were on
another planet. Okay, So now from

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their perspective of my dad's dream,
they wiped themselves out in a cataclysm,

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and the Guardians that the this this
sounds like some movie plot or but the

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beings that like my dad experienced initially
they called themselves the Guardians and my dad's

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dream, they came in and they
whisked They kind of like just took all

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the souls of the billions of dead
beings who wiped themselves out. And you

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know when they when they destroyed themselves, they went into a shock like you

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know, like they always say,
spirits stay behind them and they has a

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shocking death. We'll imagine a whole
race having a shocking extinction. So the

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Guardians took their souls, fashioned them
a more primitive body, brought them to

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Mars, and you know, gave
them the capabilities of enterdimensional travel and they

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kind of roam between Mars and Earth. So this is so that was in

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dad's dreams. So cool. It's
very and I think we covered this when

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we talked about this so so long
ago. But it's very similar to the

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d classed excerpt onca dot gov the
nineteen eighty four mission to Mars where they

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had a remote viewing team remote few
Mars. That's exactly what I was just

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saying, like, yeah, they
correlate, well, that's yeah, and

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they got the same information basically,
right, Okay, Yeah, and you

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can go read that pdf online.
I think it was called Project far Site

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something. Yeah, I mean,
if you just google. But yeah,

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they were like convinced like the way
we go to other planets is with our

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mind back then, I don't know
anyway, So like it's it's crazy,

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Like the reason that the beings supposedly
created their primitive bodies was so that they

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would have like lower cognitive capabilities so
that they could redevelop over time so that

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it wouldn't be such a great shock. So it's like rehabilitating the souls,

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allowing them to slowly evolve over time
again but be protected and safe like that.

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You know, nobody can really capture
big Foot on camera just just dips

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away, you know, just hops
away. Who knows if that's all true.

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I mean it was a dream,
right, But yeah, you know

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it could be some big allegory or
or symbol or you know some a huh

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yeah wow that what if I got
small feet, I would qualify. I

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would qualify as a big foot.
I think, Oh my god, you

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know what's so funny about that?
My whole life growing up, my parents

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called me bigfoot. Really because to
this day they still call me big foot

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because I walk very heavy and like
we had very I guess, like hollow

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floors or you know, you step. It makes a lot of sounds like

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boom. They would always say when
I they could hear me coming a mile

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away because I've just boom when I
walk, So they would always call me

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big foot. So maybe I am
a big foot. It's a lot of

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sense. Wow. Thanks, it
resonates with me. Big Foot's dope.

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D Yeah, I love it.
I mean I got used to that cool

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bigfoot shirt, like I have years
I have big foot meditating in a little

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yeah this little moodra going on that
can you do that with your legs?

404
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Nah? Well I don't have shoes
on. Hey we did. We did

405
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:53.839
a skit where we tried to do
that. Oh yeah, I watched that

406
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:57.759
yoga was only one. We try, Yeah you watched it seven hundred.

407
00:27:59.079 --> 00:28:03.480
Well for now, there will eventually
be more when yeah it'll blow up.

408
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:08.960
Yeah, but yeah, okay,
cool. So we didn't really talk about

409
00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:12.440
the phenomenon stuff until we were adults. But oh yeah, but like when

410
00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:18.000
did you really like when did it
start clicking with you? It's hard to

411
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:22.000
say, Like, I've always like
wanted to know more. The story has

412
00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:26.880
always been incredibly fascinating. I've always
like, yeah, I've just always wanted

413
00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:32.359
to hear more. I would say, like maybe teens, I was a

414
00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:36.240
little bit more curious because like at
that point, y'all were falling in line

415
00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:40.000
with what Like I was already reading
about like I would. I've you know,

416
00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:42.960
like I would read Creepy Pasta as
a kid, like all the time,

417
00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:45.319
Like I would be in high school, not doing work, looking at

418
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:51.000
my phone reading about the goat Man
like like all the time. So like

419
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:56.079
I was already like, yeah,
the goatman in my backyard. Meanwhile,

420
00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:57.799
his brother who has said this on
the show, So it's okay to talk

421
00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:03.079
about having knows and visions about being
dragged a hell, yeah, hearing dad

422
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:10.880
when he wakes up every day.
Yeah, I like, yeah, well,

423
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:12.960
I've Warren and I fell into a
similar path. I would say we

424
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:18.279
both are really interested by Christian themes
in that way. Like he likes I

425
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:22.680
like Isaac. It's literally the same
thing. It's called the Binding of Isaac,

426
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:26.119
which is a story in the Bible
about Isaac being sacrificed. Lo and

427
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:29.880
behold he dies in his own way. But like that's and it's filled with

428
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:34.759
its own like runs from Nordic like
mythology. It's filled with the like the

429
00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:38.440
zodiac stuff. I love it.
I'm so like you're like, it's the

430
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:41.559
combination of the two. It marries
the two things. I'm really cool with

431
00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:48.279
your Christianity and subconsciously being pulled in
those directs. Yeah. Yeah, because

432
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:51.839
I've always been interested in zodiac.
Like people would talk about their horoscope and

433
00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:53.680
I was like, that's weird.
I've got no clue what that means.

434
00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:57.039
Yeah, but it's talk it talks
about And I love space. Space is

435
00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:04.160
like my biggest fascination except horror and
other things. But yeah, goat Man,

436
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:07.519
I love that story. Man,
if you've ever read The Goat Man,

437
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:11.400
it's fire, it's heard of the
goat Man. I've heard of the

438
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:15.480
goat boy, why are you the
goat? Yea, that was truly a

439
00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:21.680
blank. That was that was downright
pathetic. It's ok it's okay, Yeah,

440
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:23.559
I swung it. I got it. Didn't even make it on the

441
00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:26.200
field, I got it. I
don't know what you're talking about. I

442
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:30.519
said, you're the goat. Yeah, okay, okay, I appreciate you.

443
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:33.720
But yeah, like I always,
I've always been fascinated with I've always

444
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:37.920
wanted to know more. But it's
hard to approach that when like, like

445
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:45.359
some of the first things you were
like piecemealing with me was like like those

446
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:48.640
some of the first things. Yeah, we yeah, that's it. We

447
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:53.640
got territory. Yeah, but that's
one of the first Well look it up

448
00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:57.759
later, okay. It's it's like
it's not great, or don't don't I

449
00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:03.160
mean, or might have to blur
that one. Do you know what that

450
00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:06.319
is? Yes, it's kind of
why I stopped going in a conspiracy.

451
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:08.960
It's like Alite. It's like,
I'm sorry, I didn't mean like alite

452
00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:12.359
like bad stuff to kids type stuff. Yeah stuff, we don't. It's

453
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:17.640
okay, all right, we'll blow
the word. No we don't. I

454
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:19.359
mean, you never know, YouTube
could be listening and being being that word.

455
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:22.400
Yeah, I should have chose a
different whatever, it's move on,

456
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:26.039
it's okay, so uh yeah,
and then cern which shine that one's cool

457
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:32.319
yeah, wild wild show that to
me, I was like, this is

458
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:37.720
to show you the commencement ceremony.
Yeah, the tunnel. It just makes

459
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:41.359
no sense. Why would they do
that? Yeah, the whole entire time

460
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:45.960
I was four hours of showing,
I was like, it just bad vibes,

461
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:52.720
it felt wrong, it's it's it's
a doozy of a watch. So

462
00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:53.759
those were like some of the first
things. Like, I mean, we

463
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:57.839
would always talk about a horror stuff
already, I feel like we talked about

464
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:02.960
games. So it's just we never
like because I didn't like go to your

465
00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:06.960
house very often. I hung out
with Emily a lot more. Shout at

466
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:13.160
Emily yeah and uh like so like
we would just y'all would play Pokemon and

467
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:17.839
stuff. I was never huge on
Pokemon until way later. Yeah. I

468
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:22.960
feel like I've always like been out
of step or first and getting into things

469
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:27.519
really so yeah, like one piece, I always okay, okay, okay,

470
00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:31.920
okay, I've always felt the opposite. I've always felt very slow to

471
00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:37.319
pick up on this kind of stuff. And interestingly enough, when I finally

472
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:44.559
got like my big breakdown of my
astrology chart, that was one of the

473
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:49.319
things that it said is that you
are slow to pick up on metaphysical concepts

474
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:52.119
and things like that, but when
you do catch onto them, you like

475
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:57.799
fully concrete them. Yeah. Your
I don't know your mentality or whatever it

476
00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:01.839
is, but I mean I had
a similar experience with like at first hearing

477
00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:05.640
about all this stuff, I did
the same thing, like try to fit

478
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:09.279
it inside the Christianity box and all
of that stuff. Everyone tries to sit

479
00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:15.119
in that box, whatever the boxes, and and so serendipitously, it was

480
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:21.200
like I was kind of going through
my own religious deconstruction at the time.

481
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:28.079
That like right before Ryan and I
started talking about like doing the podcast and

482
00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:32.680
like do before really Ryan had started
dropping the heat on me of like the

483
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:37.839
esoteric stuff, the metaphysical stuff,
I was already start going through like a

484
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:45.880
religious deconstruction. Yeah, kind of
realizing the contradictions and the moral contradictions.

485
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:49.799
Yeah, it was. It was
really the concept of hell that did it

486
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:52.480
for me. Yeah, it's it's
super scary. It doesn't quite make total

487
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:55.960
really a positive message. Yeah,
no sense and then like only the elite

488
00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:00.319
few perfect are are allowed to like
not suffer for the rest of all.

489
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:05.759
It's absurd, and so it's just
not the way that was happening already.

490
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:09.199
And then me and Ryan were kind
of reconnecting, and he's dropping this heat

491
00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:14.320
on me, and every time he
would come to me with something, it's

492
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:17.119
like I would feel this little glow
inside of me, like that's it.

493
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:22.760
That's the thing. You know.
I was doing that intentionally because I was

494
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:25.480
I was trying to remember how how
like when you were younger, a lot

495
00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:29.480
of this conversation would terrify you.
Oh yeah, I was. I was

496
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:32.440
trying to show you. I was
trying to show you certain things that had

497
00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:38.199
proofs behind them, to like make
you see things that you can't lensee yes,

498
00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:42.800
you know, like the six pointed
star vortex on the surface of Saturn,

499
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:45.480
Like you can't resk it so fun
you can't really. Yeah, when

500
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:49.920
you saw that one, you were
like, dude, I still show people

501
00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:52.840
that to this day because I you
know, we've been saying in the past

502
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:54.920
couple of days, like I'm science
guy. It just really interests me.

503
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:59.280
And that was one thing where I
was like, hang on, that's that

504
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:01.880
can't be real, right. I
was like, that's not real. There's

505
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:08.880
there's not a heck sagonal storm just
raging on Saturn. There's the negative.

506
00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:12.960
And then I just went and looked
and looked, and every picture is a

507
00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:16.559
hexagonal storm on the bottom of Saturn. And I'm like, oh, this

508
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:19.719
is how do you explain that?
You don't? You don't, you know,

509
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.599
you don't. It's it's bigger than
us, It's right, it's bigger

510
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:28.400
than what just science alone can comprehend. We have a tiny thing that we

511
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:31.400
can study here, right, and
we're not there and it's just not possible

512
00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:35.400
we can talk about it. But
yeah, and that was one of the

513
00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:38.880
first major major things that clicked in
my brain, like, this is something

514
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:43.760
I think also. I think also
when you found out about Alistair Crowley,

515
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:46.039
because that's because that's like real history, and you start googling him, and

516
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:50.639
you start googling all the people publicly
who you know associate with him. It

517
00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:53.039
opens this rabbit hole. Even though
it's all dark and negative, it opens

518
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:58.000
this rabbit hole in your mind,
like people really are into this stuff.

519
00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:02.199
Yeah, and Osiris was a huge
part of it too. You telling me

520
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:06.320
about your dreams. Yeah, yeah, I think that for me, I

521
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:07.800
agree. Sorry, no, no, no, cut me off. That's

522
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:12.280
what we do as I'm always hesitant
to tell that dream because of what people

523
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:15.840
think. But like that that changed
my life. Yeah, it kind of

524
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:22.960
changed mind too, because like it's
such a specific, vivid telling of you

525
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:25.239
know, it's like hinting at the
mythology of Osiris. It's like you're just

526
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:29.360
having this as a dream, and
it's like it's one thing to just see

527
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:32.559
Osiris in a dream, but the
whole like frog dying and coming back to

528
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:37.199
life things, And I felt this
deep sadness for it, like it died

529
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:39.199
and suffered in my hand. I
was lost. It sounds more like a

530
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:44.920
trip than it does a dream,
Like it's more the way you describe it

531
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:49.719
seems it was just uncharacteristically very vivid. It was. It was hyper vivid.

532
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:52.239
It was borderline lucid. But I
wasn't aware that I was in a

533
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:54.639
dream. Yeah, but the vividness
of it was like real life. I

534
00:36:54.679 --> 00:37:00.559
just remember always feeling like this is
way too specific to not be sick nificant.

535
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:02.960
Yeah, this is so well.
Also, like I knew nothing about

536
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:07.199
Osirius other than from Smite the video
game, and I thought, I mean

537
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:08.639
I never even played the character really
and read it. I just thought he

538
00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:12.360
was an evil god. Yeah,
he's green, he looks like a mummy.

539
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:15.599
Like I'm thinking he's a bad guy, right, he's got a sickle.

540
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:19.119
I mean, I just thought it
was a scary, like evil Frankenstein.

541
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:21.159
God. I didn't know anything about
him. Yeah, And I had

542
00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:22.920
that dream and I was like,
I can't I can't stop thinking about this.

543
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:25.559
I'm so curious. And you look
it up and it's like it's like

544
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:30.960
a early archetype of like christ consciousness. Yeah, or it might be the

545
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:32.280
origin. That was one of the
big things for me too, Like I

546
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:42.039
really like most of no, like
religion is like original, Like they all

547
00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:45.480
share very specific details with each other, like there's always a great flood,

548
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:51.480
right, Like there's always something.
And then you know the existence of a

549
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:55.800
prodigal son type figure. So like
when you describe like Egyptian and that's way

550
00:37:55.840 --> 00:38:00.280
older, when like way older,
and Chris, I felt like that was

551
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:06.119
really he just grew up in Egypt. Yeah, that's that's just common knowledge.

552
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:09.079
And then he came back spitting heat. And then you go back and

553
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:14.159
you realize that there's stuff that goes
even further back, like Zoroastrianism. Yeah,

554
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:16.920
that was a huge click for me
as well. It's so weird before

555
00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:22.840
that. Oh yeah, zoro Astrinism
is only a thousand years before Christ three

556
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:25.840
thousand BC, but it's still old. It's still it's still older. Is

557
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:29.400
in Christianity? Yeah, you know
what I mean. And it's like some

558
00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:34.719
deep spiritual wisdom. The original zoro
Astrinism, not when it what it later

559
00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:38.239
turned into, which was like Mythriism
that is a far shoot from the original,

560
00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:43.039
but they're different texts, but it
all claims to be zoro Astrounism whatever.

561
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:45.840
That's a more in depth study.
But yeah, it's crazy, bro.

562
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:49.719
Like I've I've walked away from all
of this, like where I am

563
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:55.239
at right now in this moment.
I believe that there is a true I

564
00:38:55.320 --> 00:39:00.880
say christ consciousness force. I also
say Buddha consciousness, but for some reason

565
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:06.599
that doesn't ring to me in the
same way because when I think of Buddha

566
00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:10.320
consciousness, I think of a man
or or you know, just it is

567
00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:13.599
more human. I'm a man,
so I think of a man, but

568
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:17.239
I think of a human who is
wise, who is enlightened. But when

569
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:22.920
I think of christ consciousness, I
think of someone who is awakened to more

570
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:30.280
of a cosmic you know, divine
compassion, love. And maybe that's because

571
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:32.920
I grew up Christian and i've and
I have a little bit more of a

572
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:37.239
emotional tickle when I think of the
word Christ is over Buddha. You know,

573
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:40.000
I grow up a Buddhist. They
may very well be the same thing,

574
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:45.880
but I believe there is a thing
that there is a level of consciousness

575
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:53.000
that a human can experience that is
in resonance with the actual you could say,

576
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:59.639
secret or true vibration of light,
you know, Christ consciousness. I

577
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:01.719
would figure they would be the same
thing. Yeah, they do kind of

578
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:07.639
fall into a similar vein of like
ideas. It's just how which one got

579
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:12.000
spun in which way. It's even
like it was either Ramdass or Terrence McKenna

580
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:15.760
who said, like, when you
go into the DMT realm, you're in

581
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:19.559
the room with Christ. And at
the same time, who was that?

582
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:22.920
That was Ramdass or Terrence mckinna,
I gotta think about it. It might

583
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:27.719
have been it was one or the
other. I think it was the room

584
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:30.079
because we did a Ramdass episode.
We've never done a Terrence mckinna. Yeah,

585
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:34.840
which we should. Actually, it
really should. It's about time,

586
00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:37.559
like yeah, yeah, dude,
Actually, let me say this real quick.

587
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:39.760
It's kind of funny. We're two
years into this, we're one hundred

588
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:45.280
plus episodes in, and I think
back sometimes I'm like, why have we

589
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:49.239
not talked about this? Yeah?
Like why have we not done Nicola Tesla?

590
00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:51.280
You know, we get so stressed
about what should we talk about?

591
00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:54.280
What should we talk about? And
there's so much more that we can explore.

592
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:58.400
It's exciting when you put it in
that perspective. Yeah, every time

593
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:00.599
we get together, like what are
the next few episodes, it's like we

594
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:06.719
come up with it fast because there's
an endless supply there is really used to

595
00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:09.679
think that, at least I did. I used to think likely, No,

596
00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:14.639
it's impossible. So many I like
figures that you can just study,

597
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:16.719
honestly, like, because you'll get
to a point where you might have just

598
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:22.119
maybe not defined but like described a
lot of belief systems and stuff, but

599
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:27.239
you'll always have figures like oh yeah, yeah, and like even if they're

600
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:32.360
not great figures, you'll like,
I'm not suggesting do Alistair crow Crowley.

601
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:37.679
But I am suggesting that he is
worth studying. Oh yeah, so we

602
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:40.800
talked about him on the show exactly, so cliny, I didn't want to

603
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:45.559
like, why do we sit in
high school and we're forced to study Nazis?

604
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:47.800
Like I think, you know,
it shouldn't be seen as a bad

605
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:52.880
thing to study things that are bad, right, Yeah, depends on your

606
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:57.000
intentions. You can learn things from
horrible things that happen in the past.

607
00:41:57.079 --> 00:42:00.599
Yeah, you can learn things.
My opinion is more like it's like that,

608
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:02.960
But it's also like I just want
to be aware of what has happened.

609
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:06.679
Sure, period, like it's the
whole story. I just want to

610
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:09.119
know what has happened. Yeah,
I want to know answers. I'm not

611
00:42:09.159 --> 00:42:15.480
trying to get down and you know, study this material as a neophyte and

612
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:19.000
become enlightened by you know, master
Crowley. I'm just I just want to

613
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:22.920
know what happened. Yeah, that's
neutral. That's some something Alex don't know

614
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:29.360
about. Yeah, that's some great
Jedi shit. That's yes, it's being

615
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:34.480
aware of information without you know,
endorsing it or being attached to it or

616
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:37.239
whatever. Yeah. I think I
think everybody should study a little bit Uster

617
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:39.519
Crawley and see that that is a
reality. But I also am like,

618
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:43.119
you know, we've talked about this
many times on the show, like it's

619
00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:45.360
a lot of that propaganda to freak
people out. Yeah, I don't know,

620
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:46.599
some of it could be. How
could well be? You know,

621
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:50.199
how could any of us know?
He could have been a sip. We

622
00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:52.760
don't know exactly, We don't could
have been. It could have been.

623
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:54.440
It really could have been. Ryan
talks all the time about how he was

624
00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:59.199
six. Yeah, well that's that's
just history. Yeah, you know,

625
00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:02.559
so, I mean it's very likely. It's it's more than possible, it's

626
00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:06.840
likely. Yeah, you know,
I think so too. Yeah. So

627
00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:09.800
yeah, I mean, like I'm
I'm definitely convinced there is some sort of

628
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:13.960
christ conscious thing. Just to wrap
up that, yeah, you know,

629
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:16.679
but like it matters, you know, like being kind to people, being

630
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:22.920
compassionate, being you know, just
smiling Like I'm telling you, dude,

631
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:25.440
for the first time in my life, after that documentary aired the other night,

632
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:31.440
I just lay in bed and I
just smiled. Yeah. I don't

633
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:35.239
just sit around and smile, you
know what I mean. And it was

634
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:38.199
like, you know, I did
too, it's good that whole Like you

635
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:43.079
texted us, You're like, this
got me Geeking's right. I texted the

636
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:45.000
group and I was like I can't
stop smiling. Yeah yeah, Like I

637
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:49.440
smiled like until I fell asleep.
Same. It just made me feel so

638
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:53.440
relieved and so happy, Like,
yeah, I mean you've been since January,

639
00:43:54.199 --> 00:44:01.639
like you have been toiling internally and
externally since anyway about seven yeah yeah,

640
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:07.840
yeah, no, but yeah in
January of twenty twenty. Yeah,

641
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:10.960
for sure. The story isn't over. But you know, like, have

642
00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:16.880
you ever had any sidings? I
have had h one night with Chris Sinior.

643
00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:21.320
We went he was like on the
phone most of the time, which

644
00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:23.519
you know, it was book related. So it was around then while it

645
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:28.719
was being written the past years a
couple of years. Yeah, I do

646
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:31.039
not have many. I started writing
the book only like last April, so

647
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:34.800
it's been within the year. Yeah, you know, and we went out

648
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:37.440
there. I think it was last
summer, like a start of last summer

649
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:40.360
around March, gotcha. I can
probably put it in March, maybe April,

650
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:44.920
it doesn't really matter. But there, you know, we saw like

651
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:49.039
he described about ten to fifteen.
I think that's pretty accurate. I saw

652
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:55.280
some pretty strange, obviously undefinable visuals. Yeah, and uh, I mean

653
00:44:55.320 --> 00:45:01.400
that's I'm not like I want more, I really want more, But I

654
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:05.079
did see. Yeah, I saw
to be careful what you wish for,

655
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:07.239
bro, No, I don't want
to want a story about little baby Lee

656
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:10.800
studying spooks and ghosts and books and
coming home scared and you're sitting right here

657
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:15.639
having the face of reality, and
I think changed. I've I've transferred that

658
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:20.039
energy from fear into excitement to wonder. Yeah, yeah, curiosity and wonder.

659
00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:24.480
I like I used to in that
in that uh, in that like

660
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:29.239
idea, I would like walk around
the house being like afraid I'm going to

661
00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:31.519
see a ghost, and now I'm
like, let me see what, let

662
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:38.679
me see that, let me see
what he's like. Yeah. I'd rather

663
00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:44.639
preparing myself to be afraid than be
afraid to see. Oh yeah, okay,

664
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:46.840
that's a quote. That's a quote
right there. I'm trying to rip

665
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:51.400
that was heck. Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. That's awesome. Dude.

666
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:52.719
Could I tell you all the story
about the night before the documentary earned?

667
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:55.760
Yeah? Please? I hadn't told
you this yet, Okay, I

668
00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:59.719
told Alex, because I've seen you
know, I came home and we've seen

669
00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:04.079
each other a few times since.
It's pretty wild. He said, this

670
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:07.480
is the night before it aired.
Gotcha, So it aired. Let let

671
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:10.039
me get it straight, because it
aired late at night August first. Was

672
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:15.360
what day? Tuesday? Sure?
Because yeah, okay, so Monday night.

673
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:19.039
I think it was Tuesday. Yeah, so Monday night it was Marky's

674
00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:22.000
wedding. Shout out Marky. He
and his brother Bobby have been there.

675
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:24.559
Like a fan favorite episode of ours. It was a wall back, but

676
00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:30.000
I think we called it Mormonism and
demonic encounters. Anyway, Markie got married,

677
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:35.679
so we we were. It was
such a beautiful wedding, dude.

678
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:39.519
Just it was such a wonderful,
just great time and I'm so happy for

679
00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:44.519
their family. But they came over
to SkyWatch, you know, both of

680
00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:47.360
the brothers, some of like Bobby's
girlfriends, some of their friends and and

681
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:50.440
it was just like a crowd of
us out there. But right before they

682
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:59.719
got there Monday night, Yes,
the night of his wedding. But it

683
00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:01.719
was a complicated situation and it was
totally fine. He was not in the

684
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:06.360
doghouse. It was like it just
it worked out perfectly, you know,

685
00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:08.760
like family in town. Bride's busy, So anyway, he comes over to

686
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:14.079
SkyWatch, and right before they get
there, my dad and I are just

687
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:16.000
kind of like getting back from the
wedding, settling for a minute. The

688
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:20.000
night before we all SkyWatch. We
didn't see anything, but the sky was

689
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:23.119
like one hundred percent covered in clouds, and you know how it goes.

690
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:25.679
It's pretty hard to see things on
a cloud. Yeah, we didn't see

691
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:29.360
anything the night before, but we
were also kind of feeling the vibe.

692
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:30.239
Me and Dad. We didn't want
to tell the group like now we're not

693
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:34.880
gonna see anything tonight, but like
also we kind of feel it like night,

694
00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:36.880
it's not really the night. So
we just talked. We had open

695
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:39.320
conversation, meeting new friends, blah
blah blah. The second night, we

696
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:45.199
get out there like it's on and
like the clouds were gone and we're sitting

697
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:49.639
there and right before they start showing
up, Dad and I are talking about

698
00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:54.880
the time in twenty twelve when I
had my intense experience with what Dad says

699
00:47:55.039 --> 00:47:58.800
was the Lady. It's the experience
when I'm like talking to him like I

700
00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:00.800
want to see an entity and Dad
it's like, you know, cutting through

701
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:02.840
the story here, He's like,
dude, you gotta shift your perspective.

702
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:06.800
They're magical. They're not aliens.
They're magical. And the cow star moon

703
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:10.920
at we're talking about this experience in
that moment, and he starts telling me

704
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:14.559
and he's like, sign and like
that video you took two weeks ago,

705
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:16.840
the one where the two orbs flash
over each other, and like on the

706
00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:20.480
phone with him, he's like,
you don't get it, like your voice

707
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:22.599
is connected to them or they're they're
connected to your voice, like you you

708
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:27.519
have to understand your connection with them. And I'm just like, wow,

709
00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:31.280
you know, sitting there then I
kid you not. I don't know if

710
00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:35.320
you notice this. I'm sure you've
noticed this. Obviously you grew up on

711
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:39.159
this property too. But at the
woodline there's a fence about hip HiPE.

712
00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:43.159
You know, it's like it's not
chicken wire, but it's wire. Yeah,

713
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:46.079
a fence is right there at the
tree line. And just on the

714
00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:52.719
other side of that fence, I'm
talking about a blood curdling howl, a

715
00:48:52.559 --> 00:49:00.280
coyote, how at us? How
old at us? And from horrible It

716
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:04.599
sounds like a it sounds like a
wolf. No it sounds like an us.

717
00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:08.480
Well, no, it's not a
it's not a bark like a dog.

718
00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:13.119
It's a howl like a wolf,
like a like a build up in

719
00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:15.840
the long peak of the sound.
And then a couple of oh, you

720
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:20.119
know what I mean. It was
like it was like we're sitting there like

721
00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:22.559
whoa. And Dad looked at me. Dude, his eyes were wide,

722
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:25.400
and you know that's rare. And
Dad looked at me. He's like,

723
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:29.840
son, I am sixty one years
old. He kept saying that I am

724
00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:31.639
sixty one years old. I have
been all up in the woods in North

725
00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:36.519
Carolina. I've hunted here my entire
life. I have never in sixty one

726
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:40.800
years in any part of North Carolina
heard a coyote howl like that. He

727
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:44.400
was like, you need to pay
attention right now because that was a message

728
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:46.880
from the spirit world. And I
pulled up my phone and he was like,

729
00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:51.320
he's looking at He's showing me,
and it was like death and rebirth

730
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:53.800
symbolism being protected by the spirit world. It's like a trickster God, but

731
00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:59.320
like in a good way, like
you know, like giving you a sign

732
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:01.159
that you're going to be nude.
And it was all this like positive symbolism.

733
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:05.519
Wow. And he was telling me
like, I've only ever heard coyotes

734
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:07.599
out in the West, like hunting. My dad would always travel, he'd

735
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:12.199
go hunt in Montana, in California
and Texas and wherever. He would hear

736
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:15.000
him out there. Never in North
Carolina. Incredibly rare. Then I look

737
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:17.480
it up, we only heard the
one coyote howl. They don't even howl

738
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:22.320
solo. They howling packs. They
howl in groups. It's it's they're communicating

739
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:25.880
with each other. Yeah, they're
usually like in my experience, they're a

740
00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:30.159
little bit more like yippie than a
wolf. They're a little bit more like

741
00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:32.960
like a dog bark, like a
high pitched Oh no, this was a

742
00:50:34.039 --> 00:50:36.679
half but yeah, no, no, I've only heard him like yep,

743
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:38.000
and they like yip in packs,
so you can like hear him in the

744
00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:43.480
distance, but never like howl.
This was straight up like, Dad,

745
00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:45.960
is this a wolf? And He's
like, that's just coyote, you know.

746
00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:50.599
So then what happens. I'm sitting
here, you know how it goes.

747
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:52.880
We sit on our lawn chairs out
there and we look up. Yeah,

748
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:55.840
so I'm sitting here looking down,
don't have my glasses on already.

749
00:50:55.880 --> 00:51:01.639
I'm trying to text my wife.
Holy shit, I just saw coyote howl

750
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:04.480
at me. I didn't see it, but I heard it, you know.

751
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:08.039
Yeah. It was literally like forty
yards away or less, like like

752
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:13.000
right there in the woods, Bud. He's snarling at the fence like it's

753
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:15.880
right there, you know what I
mean. I'm texting Jenny, Dude,

754
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:21.039
coyote just howled at us, and
this and this. I'm telling the story

755
00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:23.400
and then Dad is still looking up. I'm talking. Within two or three

756
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:25.599
minutes of that coyote howling, he
goes, oh, I just saw a

757
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:32.280
spirit whoa five feet over his face, a black spirit apparition manifesting. He

758
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:36.159
said it looked like a He's seen
many of these. This is not the

759
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:38.360
first time. He said. It
looked like a swimming magic carpet. It

760
00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:45.360
just flew over his face and then
it disappeared. And then we turned and

761
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:50.000
then we're talking and we're like mind
blown, and I like kind of look

762
00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:52.440
out of the corner of my eye
behind me kind of like this, and

763
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:55.199
I see a bright orb but I
like, I saw it up here,

764
00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:58.800
so I was like, huh,
there's an orb? Is it a plane.

765
00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:00.840
No, I think it's an ORB. Know, you had the thought

766
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:05.079
like we're trying to identify every time, and then a line of them start

767
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:09.079
coming. You know, they're side
by side, but like it looks vertical

768
00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:12.400
from your perspective, but it's not
that simple. You know, one is

769
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:15.960
closer, but you know the orbs
up there. And then a line of

770
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:17.440
these blue dots start coming and I'm
like, oh my god, is that

771
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:22.000
starlink? Yeah, and then we
got that video of the ORB next to

772
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:24.320
starlink. It was dude, It's
like it's a crazy video. Seeing it

773
00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:28.440
on video is one thing, but
imagine you're looking up there and you're seeing

774
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:30.480
the whole freaking sky move Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, that's a lot of

775
00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:34.360
movement. One. Yeah, and
like, not only was that starlink,

776
00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:38.480
but that was that was an ORB. Yeah. You can see a bunch

777
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:43.079
of satellites and you're like, that's
what, that's your sample size exactly,

778
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:47.679
there's your that's not a satellite.
We also confirmed at the moment we saw

779
00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:51.719
it it was not the International Space
He yeah, I mean we knew that,

780
00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:52.599
but Dad was going to post the
video. He's like, let me

781
00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:57.079
double check, but no, the
ORB showed up and it was very bright,

782
00:52:57.199 --> 00:53:02.719
like the the luminosity of the ORB
was like way beyond the starling lights.

783
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:07.800
It was gold. And then when
the starling faded out, the ORB

784
00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:15.239
started flashing red and then it turned
and flickered and disappeared. Wow. And

785
00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:17.559
then the crowd showed up and then
they started seeing some orbs. It died

786
00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:22.199
down when they like really they got
like a few. They didn't get like

787
00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:25.360
all night affair, like you know, like it happens a lot of times.

788
00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:29.039
It was like they each saw two
or three and some of them are

789
00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:32.599
crazy like flashes in the woods.
Some of them were like, we literally

790
00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:37.920
saw one. This is rare.
We literally saw an ORB going left from

791
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:42.360
our perspective and it just did you
turn, It took a hard right and

792
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:46.199
shot the other way. Oh,
those are the ones that like curve and

793
00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:51.960
change direction. Dad ain't a satellite. Yeah, I mean, we know

794
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:53.960
they're not satellites by now, but
it's like, come on, like I

795
00:53:54.039 --> 00:54:01.039
want I want to just super briefly
tell everybody I overheard a conversation my dad

796
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:04.559
was having on the phone the other
day on the speaker phone with one of

797
00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:07.519
his old buddies, and he was
talking about he saw the documentary, the

798
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:12.480
History Channel episode, and he literally
said in that thing, he was like,

799
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:15.280
man, at first I thought they
were satellites, but then they started

800
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:21.400
moving erratically, he said. He
said, I saw him curving and moving,

801
00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:22.760
and he said, I know it. I didn't know satellite. He

802
00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:28.599
said. They had the astrophysicist on
you, physicist man, and the NASSA

803
00:54:28.639 --> 00:54:30.159
man. I'm the CIA man,
he said, man, they all said

804
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:34.519
it was real and they had that
machine out there and then he wasn't a

805
00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:37.800
plane, it wouldn't have drone,
it wasn't no satellite. And then he

806
00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:42.480
was like, I want to come
see him. That is just amazing that

807
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:49.440
just like that, just like tickles
the little booty. Oh you have you

808
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:53.079
not just say that. It's like
a little booty, like it's a baby,

809
00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:58.159
Like it's a jokeful little baby.
Was that like tickles the booty?

810
00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:01.119
That a little too visually stimulation.
I'm a very visual thing. I know,

811
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:06.000
I'm very visual. You know how
crazy is that? This is like

812
00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:08.920
my dad's childhood best friend, like
one of his best friends ever growing up

813
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:13.800
fifty years Yeah. Yeah, and
he's like, he literally said on the

814
00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:16.440
phone, I don't believe in no
bigfoot. I don't believe in no outer

815
00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:20.760
space mass. That's what he said, outer space mass. But when I

816
00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:25.760
saw that right there, I knew
that was real. In the morning.

817
00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:30.079
It sounds like writing. He called
me at nine thirty in the morning yesterday

818
00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:31.280
to tell me this. He texts
me, He's like, it's like nine

819
00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:34.960
thirty, bro, And I had
just woken up at nine. You know

820
00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:36.800
me, it takes me a while
to get out of bed. He texts

821
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:38.400
me, you awake, and I
said, yes, sir. Within seconds

822
00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:40.639
he called me. He was like, dude, I gotta tell you what

823
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:45.840
I just heard. It was exactly
like that. It was hilarious, bro.

824
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:50.719
But I mean it's true. Like
you've seen satellites your whole life.

825
00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:53.239
Yeah, when you see something that
looks kind of like a satellite, except

826
00:55:53.320 --> 00:55:58.599
it's brighter and a different color,
and then it starts moving weird and it's

827
00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:01.400
way up in the sky. A
drone can't get that high. There ain't

828
00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:05.119
nothing, dude. At this point, we don't even gotta say stuff like

829
00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:09.079
that. Right. They brought out
that AI machine that tracks everything, even

830
00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:14.480
space junk. It tracks everything,
and it was straight up saying those orbs

831
00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:17.400
are unknown unknown and also if it's
just as simple as space junk, why

832
00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:22.440
is it not being seen all the
time, every like the Moon video was

833
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:24.960
flying around the Moon, everyone would
have seen that happen. That's why we

834
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:30.199
know it's fake exactly. So like
it's yeah, it just doesn't it's no

835
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:37.480
identifiable thing that was just like that
was smoking gun, that AI device,

836
00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:40.960
Yeah, it was like yeah,
there's just no there's no arguing with the

837
00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:45.519
EEG thing as well, there's just
no arguing. No, you can't refute

838
00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:50.159
it. The reality is, and
like I'm I'm honestly, I am one

839
00:56:50.320 --> 00:56:58.239
hundred percent thankful and pleased and at
peace with what aired and how it was

840
00:56:58.440 --> 00:57:04.079
portrayed and like what people have seen. But the reality is it was literally

841
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:07.920
one hundred times crazier. Yeah,
they got over one hundred orbs and on

842
00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:14.159
the video they only had the space
to set up like five sidings, you

843
00:57:14.199 --> 00:57:16.079
know, which is still a lot. And what I've all think, it's

844
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:20.159
never been produced on camera, that's
still a lot. What I've been saying

845
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:23.480
Ryan though, is think about it, like if this is like the majority

846
00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:30.880
of the planet's first kind of look
into this and there's immediately a hundred orbs,

847
00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:37.239
it probably pretty overwhelming. Yeah,
and then also like it's televised,

848
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:42.760
so there's always this separation of disbelief
or suspicion, suspension of disbelief. You'll

849
00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:46.239
never know who will receive it very
well, and if you create a huge

850
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:52.480
claim, you're less likely to be
taken as fast. I think that was

851
00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:57.360
very tactfully right, perfectly done,
because like, yeah, I mean if

852
00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:00.440
I had never heard a word of
any of this and saw that the first

853
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:04.159
time and there was a hundred orbs, I might be a little like,

854
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:09.559
yeah, but that was one hundred
unknowns. Yeah exactly. But it's okay,

855
00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:14.880
It's okay. One is all.
One is all you need. That's

856
00:58:14.920 --> 00:58:16.719
true, you know what I mean? Yeah, just one that's true.

857
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:21.079
So I'm pleased with it. Oh
yeah, I think it couldn't have been

858
00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:24.079
better. I mean it was fantastic. Yeah, I totally agree and amazing.

859
00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:28.280
So then the next night we saw
the documentary and then we were walking

860
00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:30.880
to the building where you know,
we have this theater room in our apartment,

861
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:34.880
and Dad was like, I fill
him here halfway to the building,

862
00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:37.639
and I literally I was purely joking, but I was also like, come

863
00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:39.639
on, dude, like we gotta
go I was like, Dad, tell

864
00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:43.480
him to wait. We got a
show to watch, you know, in

865
00:58:43.480 --> 00:58:45.960
a few minutes. I gotta go
set it up. And when we get

866
00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:50.039
to the building, orb appears.
It's right over the building. I swear

867
00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:53.360
where we're gonna watch the show and
the ORB it just appears and then it

868
00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:58.000
goes and it disappears behind the theater
building. And I literally made the joke.

869
00:58:58.079 --> 00:59:00.880
I was like, it's like a
cosmic neon sign, like, yeah,

870
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:04.559
you know, walk this way,
enjoy the show. Yeah, it's

871
00:59:04.599 --> 00:59:07.320
a cosmic red carpet. Yeah,
that was just flast in my head,

872
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:10.960
like you know, you're driving on
an intergalactic highway and you got neon signs.

873
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:14.960
It's like, right this way,
enjoy the show. That's so cool,

874
00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:19.719
dude, that's amazing. I'm so
happy for how Yeah, it could

875
00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:22.320
not have I mean, you can
always want more. You're allowed to want

876
00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:28.119
more as well, but it also
went incredibly well. That's not to sound

877
00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:30.639
like it could have been anything different. I guess I think it was perfect.

878
00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:32.519
Yeah, yeah, I don't I
don't want that to I don't want

879
00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:36.239
to mince words. For sure.
That was awesome, dude, It was

880
00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:38.840
so awesome. If you guys,
haven't seen it? Anybody listening? You

881
00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:44.159
gotta go check that thing out beyond
skin Walker Ranch episode eight eight, Yeah,

882
00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:45.559
season finale. I mean, come
on, now, you gotta peep

883
00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:49.119
that thing. If you ain't seen
it, what you're doing, if you're

884
00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:52.119
listening, I think there's a good
chance. There's a good chance. There's

885
00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:54.679
a good chance. But if you
haven't, that thing is sweet. Yeah,

886
00:59:54.719 --> 01:00:00.960
honestly, I got that astro physicists
out there. I'm dying, just

887
01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:07.559
twisting in erratic forms. Yeah,
it's we're just having fun now. Yeah,

888
01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:09.639
you know, it's like the burden
is gone. But for sure,

889
01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:15.719
was there anything before we close out
that you didn't? I mean I did

890
01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:21.280
put like lots of notes, but
that's that's for next time. Oh yeah,

891
01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:23.719
yeah, absolutely. I do want
to say, like, because I've

892
01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:28.199
been a long time, like since
before you even aired the first one,

893
01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:35.440
I've been following the project, and
like when you started producing, you had

894
01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:37.119
said like, oh yeah, we'll
have you on maybe like we'll have you

895
01:00:37.159 --> 01:00:44.000
on, and I from that point
was already writing lots of notes, lots

896
01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:45.360
of notes. Y'all would say things
in the episode and then I'd be like,

897
01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:47.800
I'm going to talk about that.
But then I stopped doing that because

898
01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:52.239
that's too much. There's one hundred
episodes. Now I'm not going to sit

899
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:55.320
here and you know, goofily nitpick
or not. You know, like that's

900
01:00:55.320 --> 01:00:59.960
not how it was, but like
that, you know. But like I've

901
01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:04.440
a lot of notes, like like
I want Thumper. I thought talking about

902
01:01:04.440 --> 01:01:07.199
that because like like esoteric symbolism.
Yeah yeah, yeah, and like I

903
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:15.239
have a whole like I Stephen King
he is bathing in it, he really

904
01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:16.960
is. I want to read this
is a dark Tower. Yeah, there's

905
01:01:17.000 --> 01:01:21.519
like I think there's ada I really
want to read. It might be twelve,

906
01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:23.719
there's a lot. I've only read
a few of his books, but

907
01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:27.599
they're all incredible. Read Pet Cemetery. I haven't read it. I have

908
01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:30.039
copy. I've seen the movie.
I've seen the one and the classic.

909
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:35.719
Oh dude, classic better Yeah.
Pet Cemetery though, like you know what

910
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:38.599
the premise is. Yeah, it's
like a cemetery of pets when they come

911
01:01:38.599 --> 01:01:42.679
to life, right yeah, yeah, so it's there's more to it.

912
01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:47.039
Everything comes to life. Yeah,
anything's buried, Oh, anything buried in

913
01:01:47.079 --> 01:01:51.440
it will come back. We'll spoil
it for me, okay, yeah,

914
01:01:51.880 --> 01:01:55.239
your children, Yeah, yeah,
the book. I want to preface it

915
01:01:55.320 --> 01:02:00.920
by saying the book feels bad,
really, the whole book. Once the

916
01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:07.000
child passes away, the whole book. Yeah, it's like, once it

917
01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:13.880
happens, the sensation of dread never
stops. And it's not like because he's

918
01:02:13.920 --> 01:02:17.400
writing, like all these weird things
keep happening, it's am I really gonna

919
01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:22.239
bury this thing? Am I gonna
bury my child in something that may or

920
01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:25.880
may not come back messed up?
Oh? Yeah, And the animals would

921
01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:29.800
come back and they'd be like rabbit
or yeah, you would violent. They

922
01:02:29.840 --> 01:02:35.280
would always come back every time,
and you would go house and bury it,

923
01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:37.079
and then they would come back a
day later and they'd be wrong.

924
01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:42.559
And then the child dies and it's
like, well you know, yeah,

925
01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:46.280
yeah, Like they bury the pet
first, and then the pet comes back

926
01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:50.760
and he's like well and then the
child dies, and the rest of it's

927
01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:52.599
like do I do it? And
then when he does it, it's bad,

928
01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:58.039
it's not good. And the way
he writes grief sucks. I think

929
01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:01.880
I feel bad. I think I've
only read The Shining. Kujo got The

930
01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:06.800
Shining so good? Have you read
Doctor Sleep? I have it? I

931
01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:08.239
haven't read it yet, you and
I have need to read it. I've

932
01:03:08.239 --> 01:03:13.880
read Shining Kujo and uh, Salem's
Lot. Okay, Salem's Lot is so

933
01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:15.960
good. Do you know what it
adapted? You know what's adapting it?

934
01:03:17.719 --> 01:03:24.320
Midnight Mass. It's literally an adaptation
of Salem's Lot. Wait, oh oh,

935
01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:32.400
yeah, is that not Midnight Mass. It's I cannot no, wait

936
01:03:32.440 --> 01:03:37.880
a minute. I've read Salem's Lot
after I watched Midnight Mass, and I

937
01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:40.400
didn't put that together the whole time
reading Salem. It was because you know,

938
01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:44.679
the first two we'll talk, you
know, as long as we can.

939
01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:47.159
The first one that he did,
the Hunting of hill House. It's

940
01:03:47.159 --> 01:03:51.599
based on the book by Shirley Great
show, Yeah, incredible, great,

941
01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:53.760
surely something Jackson. Shirley Jackson's called
The Hunting of Hill House. It's a

942
01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:58.960
book. The second one is a
Blin manner, The Turn of the Screw.

943
01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:01.480
This that the Turn of this Crew. Yep? Is that a Stephen

944
01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:05.760
King? No. But in Salem's
a Lot, the guy loves it.

945
01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:09.880
He loves Dracula and Salem's lots of
you know you've probably read Dracula, right,

946
01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:13.199
yeah, yeah, I mean forever
again, read School. I've read

947
01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:18.920
Frankenstein Oh, wow, you should
read Frankenstein is a beautiful It's it's it's

948
01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:25.360
considered like the first of the two
most integral like genres. Now what Frankenstein.

949
01:04:25.480 --> 01:04:29.639
Yeah, science fiction and horror.
It's but it's Mary Shelley revolutionism,

950
01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:32.880
both about simultaneously. Yeah. But
the book is so much more beautiful than

951
01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:38.440
any of the movie adaptations and stuff, because you can't distill it. Frankenstein's

952
01:04:38.480 --> 01:04:42.239
monster was beautiful. Yeah, he
was perfect. He was perfect. It

953
01:04:42.280 --> 01:04:45.480
was Hanny. That's why he threw
people off. It was sensitive, yeah,

954
01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:47.960
because he was so perfect. But
yeah, Salem's a lot that was

955
01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:51.280
so hard. I cannot believe I
didn't put together that, dude. It

956
01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:54.280
just never occurred to me, like
I was like, oh, these are

957
01:04:54.559 --> 01:04:57.599
things. Yeah. It's also not
like it's not very clear he talks about.

958
01:04:57.599 --> 01:05:00.920
It's more of an inspiration in an
adaptation. Obviously I can see that

959
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:03.559
now. Yeah. But the reason
I bring a pet cemetery is I mean,

960
01:05:03.639 --> 01:05:09.639
in like the way they bury the
people, they bury them in a

961
01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:16.119
spiral shaped cemetery and they get resurrected
whoa, you know, like the spiraling

962
01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:21.599
and they come back and like they're
different. It's negative. I don't remember.

963
01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:25.599
I think it. I think it's
says clockwise, it says one.

964
01:05:25.760 --> 01:05:29.679
It actually describes the direction. But
like the whole thing, it's like literally

965
01:05:29.719 --> 01:05:31.400
death and rebirth, that's the whole
thing. But in the case of it,

966
01:05:31.480 --> 01:05:34.800
there's a phrase they say all the
time, the soil is sour.

967
01:05:35.119 --> 01:05:40.840
Yeah, there's something like the soil
is sour because they try the stony grounds

968
01:05:41.280 --> 01:05:43.840
something good. I'm gonna look it
up for you. Oh my god,

969
01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:46.639
there's a particular quote that comes back. Yeah, I have a copy of

970
01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:48.960
it. I just have. Granted
I've only seen the movie Got You,

971
01:05:49.159 --> 01:05:56.079
but yeah, and the way they
handle Henry, which is the wind to

972
01:05:56.119 --> 01:05:59.480
go, because there's a wind to
go in it, they handle it really

973
01:05:59.519 --> 01:06:01.639
well. Uh, it's really fun
the way they do it. I love

974
01:06:01.639 --> 01:06:05.599
it. I'd love it. I
can praise pet Cemetery a lot. He

975
01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:09.760
doesn't even like reading it. He
hates the way it makes him feel.

976
01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:13.280
Yeah, he said, it's it's
the worst feeling book he's ever written.

977
01:06:13.280 --> 01:06:16.480
The ground is so good. Okay, y'all are hiving me up to read.

978
01:06:17.039 --> 01:06:19.320
And then all of the other stuff. I mean, I don't even

979
01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:23.800
have to like the institute. Have
you read it? It's like twenty nineteen,

980
01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:27.159
it came out recently. It's amazing. It's a way to go,

981
01:06:27.239 --> 01:06:30.400
creature that haunts the land. Reading
that that's not explicitly in the movie.

982
01:06:30.559 --> 01:06:33.000
Nope, it's a wind to go. Yep. I mean typically his books

983
01:06:33.239 --> 01:06:38.000
are just like the movies are always
great. Yeah, but then like,

984
01:06:38.039 --> 01:06:42.079
are they usually good? It's like
they're not always great. Yeah, it's

985
01:06:42.199 --> 01:06:45.719
good. The movies are not always
great. No, they're they're not always

986
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:51.199
great, but like the books always
go harder even if the movie is shining,

987
01:06:51.400 --> 01:06:55.159
shining. That's just mostly always true
though. Yeah, yeah, you

988
01:06:55.239 --> 01:06:59.239
know, honestly, there's some adaptations
that do the justice. They like Dune

989
01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:02.079
is crazy, it's missing some important
features. Yeah, but Dune is really

990
01:07:02.119 --> 01:07:06.079
good. Hot take, controversial take. Don't kill me anybody out there,

991
01:07:06.199 --> 01:07:10.519
but you did. I think The
Lord of the Rings movies are better than

992
01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:14.159
the books. I think that's not
that hard a take. I can't read

993
01:07:14.199 --> 01:07:16.800
the books, honestly, it's not
a hard I've tried three times. I

994
01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:20.239
love the books. I've read them
all like five times. I love them.

995
01:07:20.440 --> 01:07:24.360
But I've watched the movies. You
can't digest them one hundred times.

996
01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:26.800
Yeah, I love the story.
I love the Laura, I love everything

997
01:07:26.840 --> 01:07:29.480
about it, the plot, everything, But the way that the books are

998
01:07:29.480 --> 01:07:33.239
written is just like so hard to
get through. That's how I feel about

999
01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:35.880
the Turn of the Screw one.
It's really old. But then when you

1000
01:07:35.880 --> 01:07:41.280
think about Dracula and it was written
in eighteen ninety like six or something,

1001
01:07:42.039 --> 01:07:47.039
it's like incredibly modern. It's it's
impressively modern. Talks about Dune even though

1002
01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:51.599
it's the nineteen sixties. It's modern, so it feels like you're reading a

1003
01:07:51.639 --> 01:07:55.559
model, like it's the current.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's like

1004
01:07:55.840 --> 01:08:00.559
so interesting, so compelling. Yeah, easy to understand. Yeah, well

1005
01:08:00.639 --> 01:08:04.480
yeah, the first few chapters I
had to reread like three times. I

1006
01:08:04.519 --> 01:08:09.039
thought I was having an aneurysm.
But because they drop they drop you in

1007
01:08:09.159 --> 01:08:13.360
without holding hands, just because of
like the made up words. Yeah,

1008
01:08:13.360 --> 01:08:15.800
well there's a lot of that.
That doesn't mean it's hard to understand.

1009
01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:21.239
You're just seeing make believe gibberish and
you have to learn. But that's not

1010
01:08:21.279 --> 01:08:25.520
your Yeah, that's not your fault. It's not. But I felt like

1011
01:08:25.560 --> 01:08:29.520
I was having an aneurysm. The
writing is in such a way that I

1012
01:08:29.560 --> 01:08:32.840
feel like you, it respects you, it respects you. Yeah, it's

1013
01:08:32.880 --> 01:08:36.920
not overly, you know, fluffed
up, and yeah, it's not patronizing.

1014
01:08:36.920 --> 01:08:40.439
It doesn't spoon feed it to you. It's like you'll catch on.

1015
01:08:40.600 --> 01:08:44.279
You'll catch on just if you just
when you do, it's, oh,

1016
01:08:44.359 --> 01:08:46.800
it goes. You can't stop when
you catch on. Finally you're like,

1017
01:08:46.920 --> 01:08:50.079
okay, I mean there's a reason
I read like read. I've listened to

1018
01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:54.199
in the model with an audiobook that's
reading. But yeah, that's until reading.

1019
01:08:54.279 --> 01:08:59.119
Yeah, I did it all within
a year, and all of them,

1020
01:08:59.159 --> 01:09:02.520
all of them. WHOA, I've
read seven, which is Brian and

1021
01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:09.319
Kevin Anderson and Brian Herbert, The
Sun and the Son. They're okay,

1022
01:09:09.520 --> 01:09:13.800
but you can't be Frank, I've
only can't read and Messiah I have.

1023
01:09:14.159 --> 01:09:18.039
You should reach Dune and then you
desperately need to get on. Sandworm is

1024
01:09:18.039 --> 01:09:23.079
the sixth one, the seventh you
ever read? Harry Potter. No,

1025
01:09:23.479 --> 01:09:26.359
I'm gonna have risten to him.
I recently. Yeah, he see his

1026
01:09:26.399 --> 01:09:28.760
eyes are wide. I know,
I know I've seen you see his eyes

1027
01:09:28.800 --> 01:09:31.399
are wide. I've seen him almost
think about that one. You think about

1028
01:09:31.439 --> 01:09:38.680
that right there? How you're making
I thought about doing it about how you're

1029
01:09:38.680 --> 01:09:44.399
making it feel. But yeah,
he's same to you. Boy, I

1030
01:09:44.439 --> 01:09:48.159
wanted like the institute, Stephen King's
the institute. It is literally I can't

1031
01:09:48.199 --> 01:09:53.079
there's no smoking mirrors. There's no
smoking mirrors. It is the Monroe Institute.

1032
01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:57.840
Yes, like I don't know if
it's intentional, same time, same

1033
01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:00.920
situation. I don't care. It's
the mun Institute. They read that.

1034
01:10:01.039 --> 01:10:06.680
They're all the main character Luke,
he he gets kidnapped, not the Monroe

1035
01:10:06.720 --> 01:10:12.880
Institute, to be very clear,
Emily didn't get it kidnapped, but he

1036
01:10:12.920 --> 01:10:20.640
gets kidnapped and they force him to
gain uh like psychic powers. So like

1037
01:10:20.920 --> 01:10:25.920
he gets there's t K, what's
telekinesis. Then the other one, uh

1038
01:10:25.960 --> 01:10:30.000
mindread what's mind reading? Like telepathy, telepathy, the TP and TK that's

1039
01:10:30.039 --> 01:10:32.640
what they call him. T K
telekinesis, and so the ability to move

1040
01:10:32.680 --> 01:10:38.079
objects, and then TP is the
ability to read minds. Eventually all of

1041
01:10:38.119 --> 01:10:42.199
them gain the ability to just through
like almost like a ritual where they go

1042
01:10:42.239 --> 01:10:45.840
into a room and they call them
the Stasi lights and you just look at

1043
01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:51.640
weird circles and they make your brain
uh more attuned to being able to like

1044
01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:59.000
have their psychic abilities like yeah,
and it was really yeah. I think

1045
01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:01.680
it's called the four Lights in Next
Generation. You know it is like that.

1046
01:11:02.039 --> 01:11:08.640
Yeah, it opens his mouth and
it's like there's dead lights. Yeah

1047
01:11:08.720 --> 01:11:13.439
yeah. Yeah. So like they
they slowly in kind of like with the

1048
01:11:13.479 --> 01:11:15.520
Monroe Institute in particular, they go
into a thing. They'll have a little

1049
01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:20.000
ritual where they all go separate ways
and then try to actual project and you

1050
01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:24.600
know, in a few words,
right, like they'll all have their group

1051
01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:29.439
meditation session and then it helps open
you up a little bit. They just

1052
01:11:29.560 --> 01:11:31.800
do that in a group setting with
everyone in the room where they get opened

1053
01:11:31.880 --> 01:11:35.000
up a little bit, and then
they all become more powerful, more attuned

1054
01:11:35.119 --> 01:11:40.359
with their psychological selves. And you
know, it's a Stephen King book,

1055
01:11:40.439 --> 01:11:43.399
so it's not the totally you know, it's not totally nice. So it

1056
01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:47.079
happens. It's always like a darker
vibe. Yeah yeah, but like it's

1057
01:11:47.079 --> 01:11:51.800
the same thing, like it's in
in essence, it's still like nurturing a

1058
01:11:51.960 --> 01:11:58.479
psychokinetic type thing. And the kids, like they they even go into detail

1059
01:11:58.479 --> 01:12:02.119
about how the if they're all together, they're more intensely a bit like it's

1060
01:12:02.119 --> 01:12:05.600
crazy, dude, It's it's definitely
a recurring theme in Stephen King. Yeah,

1061
01:12:05.640 --> 01:12:08.560
by the way I talk about Barbie, I know you haven't seen it

1062
01:12:08.600 --> 01:12:11.760
yet, so like very light spoils
just teams. I'm not gonna tell you

1063
01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:14.560
what happened. But not only are
there like the Matrix in two thousand and

1064
01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:17.600
one references, but there's one quote
where like you know, you've seen the

1065
01:12:17.600 --> 01:12:19.439
commercial, you know they go to
the real world. Yeah, and there's

1066
01:12:19.479 --> 01:12:23.279
real people. One of the real
people says, mom, do we just

1067
01:12:23.319 --> 01:12:28.479
shine? Yeah? And it's like
the context is like psychic, like you

1068
01:12:28.520 --> 01:12:30.960
know, do we just shine right
now? Something like that. Yeah,

1069
01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:34.199
But but it's the reference. Yeah, you know, it's it's cool.

1070
01:12:34.399 --> 01:12:39.079
Stephen King's a genius. He really. I don't want to give him the

1071
01:12:39.079 --> 01:12:48.319
same certainty of credit as like Lovecraft, where like he's very prolific. Ever

1072
01:12:48.439 --> 01:12:53.119
he's a household name Lovecraft I think
at this point is even if you don't

1073
01:12:53.159 --> 01:12:56.479
know it. Yeah, well the
Kings are because of Lovecraft exactly, you

1074
01:12:56.479 --> 01:12:59.960
know what I mean, deeply inspired. But that's just how are ye are

1075
01:13:00.039 --> 01:13:03.159
imitates art? Yeah? Yeah,
yeah, Like he's super I love the

1076
01:13:03.159 --> 01:13:08.920
way he does things like that,
and there's endless supplies of his weird mystic

1077
01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:14.640
teachings in it where he'll he's he's
also like like Edmund with super mystical like

1078
01:13:14.720 --> 01:13:18.960
he just it's really cool when Lee
comes on again, we could do an

1079
01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:24.680
episode around a Stephen King story.
Yeah, we could pick one of the

1080
01:13:24.840 --> 01:13:29.680
books we've never done. The Shining, dude, the Shining is dripping,

1081
01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:30.880
yeah, because you might not.
You know, it would be even cooler

1082
01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:35.439
if we just did like a more
robust King episode where we each read a

1083
01:13:35.439 --> 01:13:39.560
book we were interested in it.
That's a fun idea because I'm kind of

1084
01:13:39.560 --> 01:13:42.880
interested in reading pet Cemetery after being
it. You know, it's described to

1085
01:13:42.920 --> 01:13:45.159
me. You could read The Shining. I've read it, yeah, you

1086
01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:48.319
know whatever he did read Doctor Yeah. Yeah, just read Doctor Sleep.

1087
01:13:48.399 --> 01:13:53.000
Yeah, that'd be pretty cool.
Yeah, pet Cemetery, big, No,

1088
01:13:53.159 --> 01:13:57.000
it's like they're all kind of fat. It's like four. Yeah,

1089
01:13:57.359 --> 01:13:59.920
it's not too bad. It's King. Yeah. I mean when you can

1090
01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:02.640
heard to the Stand and it each
one being at least a less thousages.

1091
01:14:02.760 --> 01:14:05.880
Yeah, that's why I could never
read I love I want to read it.

1092
01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:09.920
I hear it, like obviously it's
his number one, one of his

1093
01:14:10.119 --> 01:14:14.479
It's the Stand. Typically it's the
stand and it the twenty eighteen remake of

1094
01:14:14.520 --> 01:14:16.239
it. That's good first, really
good. It's one of my favorite horror

1095
01:14:16.279 --> 01:14:19.000
films. I really like Chapter two. I know, like I really like

1096
01:14:19.119 --> 01:14:25.000
it too, because if you take
it too like I was talking about Junjiito,

1097
01:14:25.640 --> 01:14:30.159
if horror isn't goofy, it doesn't
work as well. It has to

1098
01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:35.000
be kind of goofy. And Chapter
two is very goofy clown. Yeah,

1099
01:14:35.159 --> 01:14:38.720
yeah, like it has to be. But like the the whole thing where

1100
01:14:38.720 --> 01:14:41.960
they like go off and they do
their own little like story and it's just

1101
01:14:42.039 --> 01:14:45.880
good. I love it. It's
it's very for next time, Leason,

1102
01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:48.520
we all read a Stephen King No
and we bring some stuff to the table.

1103
01:14:48.720 --> 01:14:50.560
I've got to find a good one
that I wanted to do. The

1104
01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:58.119
JFK sassination one where the guy goes
back and stops it. He That was

1105
01:14:58.159 --> 01:15:02.520
a limited Hulu series. Was that
good? Really? Top ten? It

1106
01:15:02.600 --> 01:15:05.560
was? I think it was called
nineteen sixty three Years. It was James

1107
01:15:05.560 --> 01:15:10.199
Franco. It's like it was all
right, it was, yeah, the

1108
01:15:10.319 --> 01:15:12.720
series, but the book is supposed
to be good. And then I hear

1109
01:15:12.760 --> 01:15:15.359
fairy Tale is good. It's his
brand. New one about the anime.

1110
01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:20.119
No, no, that's a fun
idea. Yeah, I'm and like fifteen

1111
01:15:20.199 --> 01:15:23.359
years will do a one piece episode. Yeah, yeah, you know.

1112
01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:27.439
Tonight we watch a gear. Yeah, it's about to come out. It's

1113
01:15:27.439 --> 01:15:32.399
about well, Alex has to meet
his wonderful sweetie for dinner. Okay,

1114
01:15:32.840 --> 01:15:35.800
sorry Olivia for holding him. We
do have to wrap up, but Lee

1115
01:15:35.840 --> 01:15:39.680
will have you back on. So
I think we're at a great stopping point.

1116
01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:43.359
Save your notes. Yeah. Yeah, we got through a lot of

1117
01:15:43.520 --> 01:15:45.600
Yeah, I mean yeah, we
got a lot. We'll we'll, we'll

1118
01:15:45.640 --> 01:15:49.159
do a This was great. It
was like an introduction to you know,

1119
01:15:49.359 --> 01:15:53.439
like I really did want to pick
your brain about how you grew up.

1120
01:15:53.720 --> 01:15:56.079
You know the vibe, right,
I hope, I hope I answered it

1121
01:15:56.159 --> 01:15:58.920
to you. You did, you
did, because I never I never want

1122
01:15:58.960 --> 01:16:01.039
to, you know, be negative
towards people. Yeah no, but it's

1123
01:16:01.079 --> 01:16:04.520
not anyone's fault that they're the way
they are typically, you know, like

1124
01:16:04.640 --> 01:16:10.520
it's hard to it's hard to define
why, but they can't help it.

1125
01:16:11.039 --> 01:16:15.359
But but also like next time,
you know, with that being removed from

1126
01:16:15.119 --> 01:16:18.960
the you know, the the tasks
at hand, we can we can do

1127
01:16:19.039 --> 01:16:23.640
it more content heavy thing. Next
time, I'll we'll dive into some King

1128
01:16:23.760 --> 01:16:26.840
literature or something. I would love
to I love King. I didn't know

1129
01:16:27.039 --> 01:16:30.000
I loved King until I started reading
it, and I think that's literally how

1130
01:16:30.079 --> 01:16:33.000
everyone happens to do it. Yeah, he's great, he's super smart the

1131
01:16:33.039 --> 01:16:38.399
way he or Okay, I'm sorry, I have an even better idea.

1132
01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:44.760
Instead of just doing a King episode, we do an overall not just Lovecraft's

1133
01:16:45.199 --> 01:16:49.680
specific. Yeah, but like a
more you could say mystical horror or cosmic

1134
01:16:49.800 --> 01:16:55.520
horror, and we could do King. I could maybe read Uzumaki, we

1135
01:16:55.600 --> 01:17:01.000
can open we can open the authorship
here. That would be cool. But

1136
01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:04.720
do more like a mystical horror.
I would love the type thing, yeah

1137
01:17:04.840 --> 01:17:09.720
or love Yeah, We've got to
find one more author. I guess Juji,

1138
01:17:09.800 --> 01:17:13.039
it's O King and Lovecraft. You
know you gotta read Who's a Mocky?

1139
01:17:13.399 --> 01:17:16.600
It's so good Mission zero? Yeah, choired so good? Awesome?

1140
01:17:16.680 --> 01:17:19.439
All right, well thankfully. Yeah, I was about to say that,

1141
01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:23.680
you said at the same kind of
I'm not gonna say it. It's okay.

1142
01:17:24.159 --> 01:17:26.279
Thanks for coming on the show,
dude. I would love to do

1143
01:17:26.359 --> 01:17:30.520
it again. Yes, let's do
it, all right, three two one,

1144
01:17:30.159 --> 01:17:38.800
Bye guy. Weird things happen in
the backyard L's house. Yeah,

1145
01:17:39.000 --> 01:17:57.399
over it got so weird, kind
of clus you're to hear likemiling on the

1146
01:17:57.479 --> 01:18:08.119
inside of it. No enough man, Wow, which come for I never

1147
01:18:08.319 --> 01:18:26.880
dine, Sie begetting happy