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Welcome back to Midnight Viewing the Horror Anthology podcast. I'm your host, Father
Malone. We've got a very special bonus episode. Now, ordinarily we're only
covering horror anthology television, but on our bonus episodes, I'd like to take
to shape things up a little bit. And in this case, we are
looking at a cinema classic from nineteen eighty one, that is Gerald Potterton's Heavy
Metal. Columbia Pictures presents heavy Metal a trip beyond the future, to a
universe you've never seen before. A universe of mystery, a universe of passionate
fantasies, a universe of terrifying evil, a universe of magic. Kind of
heavy metal, heavy metal, a step beyond science fiction. Joining me in
the Midnight view This evening are the Swamp Media Group, the creators of Space
Detective, the best animated Slash Live Ancient Slash Detective Slash Local Las Vegas,
and Space Movie You've never seen but you're going to. Where can we find
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The voice you're hearing is the director of that particular flick, mister Antonio Lapoor
Hi Antonia, Welcome top in night Viewing. Hello there, Father Malone,
and the other half of this devilish duo, the Swamp Media Group, Ladies
and gentlemen, the star of Space Detective, mister Matt Schaffi rutin So And
like I said, we are discussing nineteen eighty one's Heavy Metal. Now.
This is an anthology film, our first animated anthology film, probably our last
animated anthology film. This one barely qualifies under the horror category, except right
in the center of it, there's a genius piece support. Oh god.
Yeah, before we get going on sort of our deeper discussion of the movie
itself, Antonio, what is your what was your first experience with Heavy Metal?
Oh? My god, you know, I mentioned this to my sister
today on the phone, maybe eight or nine, watching at my sister's house,
and it was on HBO and it was the Harry Canyons sequence and there
was some cartoon titties and like, those were my first cartoon boobs I had
ever seen. I had seen maybe a Playboy somewhere before, but they came
in the cartoon for and I got caught watching it pretty quickly. That was
the end of it. What about you, Matt, that's a common story.
Well, you're mat that's pretty similar to my origin story seeing HD.
I had older brothers who had the magazines, so I was vaguely familiar with
heavy Metal before the movie. I remember seeing the trailer film, oh wow,
No I don't in the theater and just be actually frightened by because it
just seemed so unlike. I mean, the movie came out in eighty one,
so I was eight when I saw the trailer, and yeah, it
seemed very scary to me. But then once it got to HBO, like,
y'all, oh my god, I was all in all the time.
I will say that before it, like you man, I had one brief
sort of interaction with Heavy Metal magazine. I had older, very irresponsible cousins,
and my cousin Bruce had a stack of heavy metals fittingly enough, in
the restroom, and so I went in there and saw them. And apparently
I was in there for an hour and a half because when I came out,
everyone was like, what the fuck are you doing? Then I was
like nothing, and I like he's looking at the titty magazines. I'm like,
hey, yeah. Seeing the movie was just an amazing experience. But
it was legendary, like you know, on the school yard or whatever,
like you was seen Heavy Mep. Dude. My brother saw it. He
said, it's awesome, you know, and they would sneak some pages from
the comic or whatever. They you know, sneak a comic to the school
or something because you know the comic and titties in it too. And but
that movie was legendary. And then you know, eventually I got to see
all of that on HBO, and you know, when it was on,
and I think I might have seen an edited version on like TVs or something,
you know. But the first time I really got into it, I
must have been in high school or something, or college or I don't know,
when they got re released and we went to a midnight screening of it.
Yeah, I was gonna ask if you oh yeah, and it was
just like whoa, this is amazing. I can't believe they don't make them
like this anymore. But I remember that whole period was pretty hot though,
like it was too young for me to to interact with. But I got
it all on video when I was in high school. But like those years
was like Wizards and a heavy Metal and I think Heavy Metals are a good
companion piece for American pop. They had a great double feature American Pop.
I watched it last year on Amazon and that's really depressing. Oh it's like
recen in That is such a down er. Thank God for having metal Heavy
would have to be the second billing because you get picked up for it.
I'm glad you brought rough Box yet. Yeah, because prior to Heavy Metal,
really he was the only game in town. He was the only game
in town unless you were in France, where they had Fantastic Planet which probably
launched this entire fantastic planet. Yeah, that kind of launched heavy Metal,
I think, Yeah, the magazine in general. Do you think that heavy
Metal influenced Was it an immediate reaction? Do you think it opened doorways for
adult animation because I recall growing up that anything that was animated or a comic
book, and you guys can relate to this. I'm sure Whisker kids,
it was for kids. My late sister rest you know got Restler. She
used to make fun of me when I was a kid, you know,
like all your cartoons and all the yellow toys, and I'm like, you're
all that your more cartoons. I'm like, we talked about this is sophisticated
stuff. You know. I was a high school reading Vertigo comic, so
I thought I was, you know, you know, sip and tea with
the Queen because I you know, because it was so sophisticated. But no,
was always for kids. I think that maybe not an immediate reaction.
I think it opened the door for a Kerau to play in the United States.
The people who were saying that to us were so fucking wrong. They're
absolutely right. That's the thing. I think we all knew to Yeah,
just keep talking like you can tell me this is for kids, but I
know this is for adults. It was made by adults or adult you dummies,
I don't think I think it opened the door more for that kind of
grown up anime. I don't think American studios wanted to touch it. Well,
that stuff has been flirted with all throughout. There's always a flirtation with
it, but they never really want to commit. I'd tell you a story
right off the bat. So Matt and I had an own writing Partner's got
Nick creature he writes nowadays, And Matt and that dude wrote this great script
called The Dead Killer that I helped him out with a little bit. We
developed it into an animated show pitch because we picked up a meeting at twentieth
Century Fox. And you know, our partner, that dude, that dude,
I think he had at some doing Disneyland or something, and he was
an executive Fox Animation, that's what it says, nineteen ninety nine, two
thousand something like that. And he read the script and flipped for it,
and then we went we pitched it a little bit more with some drawings,
and then one day about a month or two later, we get a package
of the mail hey Man tightening. He came out and the tanked, and
I got fired the whole He's like the whole place, The whole animation division
got shut down because it's one movie, right, the tight because they tried
to make something that wasn't a Disney cartoon, that was something that maybe teenagers
could watch. Don't you love Hollywood launching. Yeah, a movie comes out
and it's bad and it doesn't do well, and suddenly that genre is dead.
Fuck you guys talking What was it? Rock and roll? That was
another one. Oh yeah, that definitely, and or in the Star Chaser,
which was kind of a Star Wars rip off. That one, it
wasn't a lot going on, but by the time A Kira I think was
the big one, and then after that I was it because that was when
the Disney renaissance happened. Gakira came out, and then a year later,
a year or two later, A Little Mermaid and then that was it and
it's for kids now and it's gonna be musical comedies up until Toy Story.
Then it became what we have today since we're talking animation, but really gonna
start back In the nineteen seventies there was a French magazine called Pilote which featured
and was co created by a French artist who went by the name of Mobius.
Well, yeah, everybody knows Movius and then well you'd be surprised.
And then so seventy five he co creates heavy metal. He's one of the
primary contributors to it. If you actually he created metal Herlant, which is
the French name for it, which to me I always assumed was French for
heavy metal. It's not. Oh, it's not howling metal, a much
better name. This is your emazine of branch is more Molly. Don't you
see if they had named the film howling metal, would we have had a
heavy metal soundtrack? I oh, I don't think we have a heavy metal
soundtrack and heavy metal with but Nazas on the sound Yeah, but I'm not
in nineteen eighty one and there's no Iron Maiden or anywhere on there, or
real Black Sabbath anywhere on there, or Sammy Hagar's on there. Yeah,
exactly. Don Felders in there, so Stevie Nicks and like Journey the Mistake
and Jerney, Stevie Nicks hit the soundtrack, because that was her first solo,
in her first song first and they bury it. It's like on the
radio for two seconds. I think she probably just watched the clip of the
guys doing all that blow and on the spaceship and she's like, oh,
I can relate. Here's mist of the bands who were commissioned to write songs
for the film, how many of them thought they were writing the theme song?
Oh, I'm sure all of the right. Like every song is named
Sammy Hagar is like, does Ammy Hanger for God's Sake? Has the heavy
Metals song. When you hear that song in particular, one must assume that's
the title track. No, yeah, he's yelling at yeah, gotta be
Nope, just just in the sequence. So have v metal attracts the attention
of the publishers for at the time, National Lampoop. That makes sense.
It was over in France trying to sell National Lampoom when he picked up a
copy of it and thought, Jesus Christ, this will translate easily. It's
very little dialogue, and it's all graphic and it's all beautiful. God damn.
He was right. So nineteen seventy seven we got heavy metal magazine.
A lot of the first issues of Heavy Metal were just effectively reprints of the
French but a few American artists started getting in there, people like Richard Corbin
and a writer by the name of Dan O'Bannon. He's gonna figure it into
our conversation later in the first seven issues of Actually Metal hood Lot he started
before Heavy Metals start. Oh Yeah, yeah, a detective noir outer space
adventure, which effectively inspired Harry knyon Okay yeah, because Harry Canyon just wanted
the originalist. But he wrote to Harry Kanyon bit though, right, I
believe him, and lent blue. He wrote two bits for the Heavy Metal
movie. Those are soft Landing begins okay and B seven okay. So Heavy
Metal proves popular. But even more popular than that was a movie in nineteen
seventy eight called Animal House. Yeah, got the attention of all the studios
who were suddenly interested in anything mister Ivan Wrightman, the director or not the
director, the producer of the Animal House, wanted to do, and just
so happens, he wanted to make an animated film based on Heavy Metal and
they let him. Initially attempting to adapt Mobius's most popular early run of the
comic, which was character named Azrak. Azrak was a wandering warrior in a
future maybe alien wasteland, and he rides a terradactyl and he goes, you
know, he yeah, he gets into h They're basically little vignettes through it.
So their initial draft just freely adapted Azrak, and then Mobius heard that
and said, no, you cannot use any of my stuff, so all
Mobias was banned basically. So what they ended up adapting was Den Richard Corbin's
Yeah, the Richard Corbin and the Captain Stern, Yeah, Stern Berdie Wrights
and comic strip so beautiful, so dead lying. That's another one. And
Tarna the final story is an original, but really it's just a fucking yeah,
isn't she descended of Azarak or something like that? But they changed it
just enough, just enough, right na ar Nak, Yeah, that's what
it was. Because you know what I noticed, I habited, you know,
the little notes it took for last time I watched it. I watched
the credits, and I wanted to see Moby says nowhere in those credits because
he didn't want to do it. He didn't want to have anything to do.
But I'm just watching you and I was just like, movie has drew
everything. Well, I mean they just took his style. Yeah, they
took his style for Harry Kanyon, and they took antile for Tara the Harry
Kanyon in particular. So goddamn movies if you were to put any shot from
Harry Kanyon against anything from the Fifth Element to be like indistinguishable. Yeah,
and you know what, I hate the Fall, Yeah, I think it
is absolutely beautiful, certain and the fantastic Yeah in that yeah, I love
that war without those characters. Yeah, in that fucking plot. Like when
I sat down and the movie started, I turned to my friend and I
said, it's the Fifth Element is love. I'm gonna burn this place like
the granted and that theater is no longer there. Yeah. The only thing
I enjoyed in that movie was Gary Olman, Yes, and President Zeus and
those aliens were those practical aliens. Yeah. The effects the creatures were great
and like even like the hot Lady, you know, the blue alien,
yeah, like they or the Stewardess is old like super model. Yeah,
but the minute boos Willis shows up with that dyed hair, the pink and
the Pink Tank table leone. No, now the script has written interwove the
five stories. Like I said, they were copying the initial Metal her Lant
stories, the Azrak stories. In those you would get a few pages of
Azrak and then another story, and then a few more pages of Azrak.
So they were making the film more serialized. So the Tarna story was going
to thread throughout. I don't know when that changed. I'm assuming once they
started cutting the movie together they realized that cutting away from a story hurts the
story. Yeah, like an incredible amount. And this puts a story in
particular because it's so spare. So the order keeps changing, the rap around
story keeps changing. Okay, here's something I ask all of our how important
is a wrap around story to you? In an You know? That's funny
because we've been kicking around and as our follow up feature was, we've always
kind of been leaning towards an anthology. And that's a good question because I
kind of like the framing device, you know what I mean. I like
being able to like kind of interweave the story because otherwise it's just it's separate.
It's just a collection of short films, right, You know which can
work if it's a theme, because it works because I think that last Coen
Brothers movie was I like Buster scrugs. I liked a lot. I love
that, you know, and they're really kind of not connected at all the
other besides the theme, but I think connecting with stories and a certain way
it brings it all, yeah, versus just an anthology or there's a story,
here's a story, you thread something through it all. By the end,
the view with the audience is like, oh wow, connect it.
Let me watch this again now. Yeah. The example of fiction, I
mean pulp fiction. I mean, you know, at the very least the
best movie of the nineties, right like, or at least the most lauded
movie of that of that time. I mean you can argue, you know,
you know, other pictures and stuff, but anyways, everybody loves pulp
fiction. I know I love it. I got a pulp fiction T shirt.
Anywhere I go, when I wear the pulp fiction shirt, I get
compliments. But what I like about that picture is it is an anthology,
but everything is connected and the characters meet each other and all that stuff,
you know, and it's kind of altman kind of does that stuff too.
You know. Yeah, shortcuts, you know, and even mashed to a
certain degree, is episodic. So rather than an anthology, it's connected episodes
of because it's not really a plot that just here's five plots that we just
make one movie out of. Tales from the Hood has as doesn't it have.
It has the framing device right as the Clarence Williams the third stories,
Yeah, to these thugs who have broken into his mortuary, and that works
because it pays off at the end of the movie because he's the motherfucking dolly.
Yeah, it's great. I did not like the movie Trick or Treat,
but I thought they did it well there. They kind of had a
character thready through it. We were talking. I told you the last episode
we did was Cat's Eye. That we had the cat running through each of
the stories. Yeah, played a part in each of it, but could
have been stronger, but like almost was there because the last story was entirely
about I don't remember the seventies Tales from the Creek. I remember that.
Here's the thing. Anicist films basically had the same framing device for all of
their stories, which is five strangers are grouped together unexpectedly and then are either
told stories or tell each other stories and then they're in hell. Yes,
that was Tales from the Crypt. It's Ralph Richardson as the keeper telling them
stories. Balti Horror was like five strangers in an elevator and they get off
on a floor and they don't know where they are, and so they start
talking about their nightmares. I was a big fan of like the anthology comic
series and stuff too, Like you know, like in the nineties they had
different It wasn't like Tales from the Crypt or anything like that, but I
had beautiful stories for ugly children. They read that, yeah, and I'm
like, man, what a great modern anthology that can make, because I
don't think I've ever heard a better title than that. Okay, you guys
are comic guys, Yeah, what anthology horror or otherwise? Comics are you
know stick out to you over the years. Obviously easy comics. We all
need stuff. Yeah, okay, but since then, you know what I
had mostly were alien like the Dark Horse Alien series in the late eighties and
the early nineties. Was this not serialized? Was it? No? They
were all like they were like, well are they like you know what you
know? Three or four issue one off or they were you know, short
story collections, or they were you know, yeah, they were mostly like
one off mini series or like one shots. So here's a question, given
the current television landscape, morons, why not throw all the dark Horse alien
things into a series? Yeah, like, stop this fighting between fenn Ay
Alvarez and Ridley's Scan and all these other Neil blom camp I'm so tired of
hearing Aborted fifth. By the way, the more I hear about that movie,
the less interesting. Oh really, yeah, like the derelict ship was
made of human DNA. Now for some reason that he can we just get
back to their scary things out in the universe. I sometimes we'll come for
you. Well, everybody nobody liked Alien three when it came out, not
even poor David Fincher, who went on to be David Fincher. But when
he started, he's like, but what we made Alien three? Doubly disappointing?
Was I had right? Al Earthwar? Oh? Yeah, an Alien
Earth War? It was amazing. It was a grown up Newt and Ripley
having to fight off the Aliens when they got to Earth. Because someone tagged
along. I'm like, what and it was great, and Sam Keith drew
it and it was beautiful, and then I got that too good. It
was too good to good adapted. I would have taken the William Gibson screenplay
for Alien three. It was in a space station. It was new and
Hicks and Ripley was not in the picture becausey knew cigarette and we wasn't gonna
come back like she was. They had to get her, basically, oh
Jesus. And it was like aliens rampaging through the station. Basically if you've
played the Alien Isolation game, Yeah, that's what it was. Okay,
alien greeting. As soon as the killed New Hicks, I just lost it.
Yeah, do you want to heat? Why did we go through Aliens?
Yeah? Just so as far as I'm concerned, I have. They
haven't made any more alien movies after Aliens. I liked Prometheus, but like
as an alien Pilla and I just thought Promethe this was interesting. But for
Metheus is a fine movie about something other than the alien. Yeah, I
know, it's just like, okay, well, you know, let's dive
into the movie itself. Starting okay, starting with what I consider probably the
greatest credit reveal of all times shadow fall over the universe, and evil will
grow in its path and death will come from the skies. Oh yeah,
that with the screeching metal Yeah, and the heavy metal logo coming in with
the heavy metal logo first of all, is just gorgeous and it's beautiful.
Yeah, but it is fantastically animated. Yeah is it animated. It's not
a model, right, it might be posted, It might be both,
because there is a little mixture. Because I remember that shot at the end
of the house blows up. I remember looking more terrible when I was a
kid and I just watched that, David, you look pretty good. It
does look good, yeah, and does look pretty good. I mean,
look, the fact is the release date got pushed up by three months and
they weren't able to sco. Yeah, they really just went fuck it,
let's leave it. But I maintained that it kind of brings us back to
reality. It works, like you know, brings us back to the real
But the opening of the of the logo is is great and then the trailer
has but like I mean, with the Alma burnsteam music and look the thunder
and all that did, that's a great reveal. You were cream ass sure
I'm fantastic, all right. Story number one, As I said, the
final order ends up like this. We start with soft and Landing, which
was written by Dan O'Bannon. It was actually Soft Landing did appear in Heavy
Metal magazine Daniel Alien, right, yeah he did. And Dark Star yes
he did. Yeah, and Return of the Living Dead and Return of the
Living to that. So off Landing, like I said, I've written by
Dana Bannett. I think it was originally drawn by Mobius as well. And
it's not a story at all. It was always just an impression. I
think that's how Dan O'Bannon described its space shuttle opening its cargo doors. Out
comes a fucking corvette with an astronaut and it enters the atmosphere, lands,
crash lands, then hits the parachute. Yeah, I mean that was the
thing. It hits the parasurd after your lands, which is a great gag
but actually made sense in the comic. If you read the comic, the
car is skidding out of control, the tire of all and then he hits
it. So like somehow that didn't get translated, but it makes it better.
In the animated film, This is Grimaldi, This is the wrap around
segment they've ended up with. Initial versions of it included a carousel with the
young what will eventually be the Tarakian girl, like getting on each of the
different characters that would feature into the story, including like a B seventeen.
Would you not fucking die to go on a carousel that had a B seven?
You could see? Yeah right, totally good Lord that got scrapped.
I think they try a couple of others, but it ends up being Grimaldi
is has arrived, presumably from space with a with a gift for his daughter,
glowing green arm, the Locknar. As soon as he opens it up,
he is disintegrated. This or he melts. He doesn't melt. Melting
and disintegration. We're gonna be seeing lots a gay against Space detective where the
guy he opens up a little box and he hits the button and the ray
sheets out and the guy melts the head. We got his soles right.
The combination of the Harry Kanyon and this guy because we melt and Harry Kanyon,
it just turns whatever we'll get to in a minute. But yeah,
yeah, So the Locknar begins immediately menacing the little girl Lily, but Grimaldi
looks like a pervert. He takes that helmet of Even as a kid,
I'm like it was with this greasy guy underneath that holmet, Like he's got
like that that like Charles Bronson hair with the stripe and in an al mustache.
Even again, when I watched it again, like greasyly, I had
never considered it. Yeah, he was just like a gonna change my perception
for the law. We'll come to discover the Lawner voiced by mister Percy Rodriguez.
He's a thespian in his own right. However, if he's known at
all, it's because of his fantastic pipes. He is a trailer voiceover guy
extraordinary all through the nineteen seventies. Go back and watch the Jaws trailer on
YouTube. That's Percy Rodriguez. There is a creature alive today who has survived
millions of years of evolution, without change, without passion, and without logic.
It lives to kill. A mindless eating machine. It will attack and
devour anything. It is as if God created the devil and gave him shaws.
Watch the Return of the Living Dead trailer. That's Percy Rodriguez. He's
a Commodore on Star Trek. That's right, absolutely Marshall episode. Yeah,
he was in the Valley of the Dog No Peyton Place. He was in
the Peyton Place TV series back in the early sixties and featured here as the
Lockner. What a fucking fantastic voice. My power of invest lin Ah gotta
see all Dama. Overall, I don't really like the wrap around segment here,
but the fact that it was able to give us Percy Rodriguez speaking as
a dramatic character and not just a voice hovering over images of Chevy Chase,
I think it works fantastically. Any thoughts on the Lockner here? Is that
original? Yeah? That the green Ball? Yes, the Green Ball actually
is from comics. It is. Yeah, it originated in the Den comic
Richard Corbin's where the boy gets zapped to the fantasy world where he's in that
there is a thing called the Locknar. It is a source of pure evil.
It doesn't have a personality. It's certainly not a storyteller that soon you
will. What always freaked me out as a kid was the way too adult
drawn little girl face as she has reacting to the lock Ages like eighty years
ago, like Peter, and she's going through all the emotions like horror,
like the real anger, like the last shot is this terrifying? Yeah,
good lord man. So locknar Lockdart tanks us into our first story. This
is Harry Canyon. This is an original quote unquote like I said this,
Oh okay, so story here is once again, the Locknark plays a feature
role in it. The lockner is dug up by some fucking in the script
in this and then that draft of the script that's connected to the Grimaldi one,
isn't it. Yeah, because yeah, that's the thing, Like the
script ends up being the movie ends up being really disjointed, but you have
no idea because it's a fractured plotline anyway. But yeah, all of these
stories were more intertwined as it sort of began, and a lot got lost
in the translation. And that's due to budget. That's due to not enough
time for the animators. That's what you want us to do, Gremlins,
So we end up getting scaled down. But here's Harry Canyon. It's the
story of a cab driver in New York City. New York City looks a
lot like the nineteen seventies. If it just kept growing vertically. Yeah,
and including punks, which I think in the script it's like they're referring to
him as like a retropunk, but you could see him probably opposite. So
you know the lot now is that you know, this is just a typical
noir story, almost too typical in a way, but certainly not from when
I was a kid. I thought this was a fucking genius episode starring Richard
Romans big brother dmone and the star of meeting Oh really whoa yeah, playing
Harry Canyon. That's the only voice I recognized in this particular episode. There
aren't any Oh no, so sorry for John. Can't John Canna. I
got that in my notes too. You know, it's a shame we missed.
We lost him so young. He he would have killed him like animated
cartoons for the rest of his like, cause he's got the best cartoon voice,
man, even if it was high or low or whatever, it's perfect.
Like he's dead. It does the little kid voice. It all started
when I found the green meteorite. Oh he's fantastic, man, little kid
Boss and the adult and the adult boys and the illegal alien called yeah and
this, hey man, what are you gonna do? Yeah, someone's after
the lockdown, criminals after the lock now the daughter of this professor who found
it, a voluptuous, redheaded, blue eyed lady, the first of many
red headed, blue eyed ladies. And again, you know our movie Space
Detectively borrowed, not borrowed, but like this was a big inspiration for just
that, the noir picture with the future and all that. And I loved
that voiceover. You know, it was really well done, really well written.
You know, it was poetic, you know, and it was dirty,
and it was kind of like Harry King is not a great guy at
all. I mean, Space Detective is is morevent you know, more superheroish,
I guess. And in terms of like character, you know, but
Harry Kane is a dirt bag man. Yeah, he's like a like a
Sam Space Yeah, more like a dattional Hammon. But he's even worse.
I mean, like he just kills that girl. I mean like he goes,
yeah, she would have killed me. I'm like, she hadn't threatened
to kill you. She's like, I'm just gonna take it all and leave,
and she was I'm like, even fuck you. Like he's quick with
that tedtle man. He is quickly he's quid with the bad. Yeah,
Harry King is not a good guy. Yeah, but I totally agree with
you. Like the voice over here works in every way that the voiceover and
Blade Ruther doesn't. Yeah, exactly, these voys are Blade word. It's
just the worst. Yeah, because first of all, Richard Reminis is doing
a good performance. Yeah, and the script has come up to the level
of noir writing. In this case, not a detective at all, just
some guy. But the fact that it's line is New York deal, Yeah,
a big deal. And what's up that sandwich? He means, it's
like it's like it's like mayonnaise, but it's like thick, but it's it's
on a sandwich has already been sitting out. Yeah. That's the thing that
bugs me is he walks into the sandwich is sitting there. He goes to
the fridge and just getst this jar of like you said, mayonnaise, but
way too thick they Yeah, then slathers on the Yeah, that has been
sitting out for who's how long? Harry, what are you doing man?
You know as a fen fintale, You know, Okay, I'm gonna have
to, you know, fuck this guy in order to get what I want,
but like feel badfroom, like she's gotta fuck with this guy. This
is the first of several depictions of ladies. Now, this was the scene
where I got caught by my sister. Was when she's like, Harry,
there I sleep with you, which is almost in the trailer they have the
moment where she's almost undone. Yeah, that piqued my interest. Guys.
A pretty consistent criticism of Heavy Metal magazine and of course the movie is it
is wildly sexist and misogynistic. Yeah. I mean it's clearly made by you
know, guys in the seventies, I mean Stone, Dude, Stone,
cartoonists and animators in the late seventies. I mean, yeah, obviously making
it. I mean it's a magazine. That's that that traditionally at least has
always been accepted as Okay, this is teenage boys number one favorite. This
is what they start reading after their tool for Superman. They get into this.
You know that, at least back then, that's what you know,
the idea was. I think that's attitude carries over on. Yeah. I
mean, if you listen to or read a modern review of Heavy Metal,
the first paragraph will be all about how this is an adolescent boys fantasy.
Yeah, but you know, at the same time it offers you also,
like a super feminist character like Tarna, but through up a teenage boy's perspective.
So why she's got to like slowly and slow motion rubbert titties that she's
putting on this and that. So yeah, obviously this is a product of
its time. I imagine if we would to tackle heavy metal now, it
would be a little bit more you know, nuanced, I guess, a
little bit more progressive. We might have a character who does more than just
jump into bed with the gross guys, yeah, and then continue to inexplicably
butter them up. I mean, it turns out that she's going to take
the money, but I don't get the idea that she got that idea until
that moment exactly. But you know, right now, though, like,
if we did something like this now, they would just be two girls.
And in the name of being progressive, look at these two babes makeup.
You know, I'm gonna take a quick deviation with that. You know,
That's how we got Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy, know, Harley Guinn and
Poison Ivy and these queer icons that began as horny animators on The Batman Show,
like drawing them in their underwear together, Like there's an episode where they
like they have a sleepover and then it just drew them right at vacant and
you know, So it's funny how these progressive characters now came out of just
like horny guy fantas. He's wonder Woman the same thing. He is a
horny eyed fantasy. That's true. Hey, I'm not I'm not saying that
it's untrue, not saying that it needs to be fixed. Then retroaxing,
no heat, go back and change it is what it is. If we
made heavy mental that like you said, it'd be And I'd love to know
how am I gonna lie? I'd love to give it a whack, you
know, because I loved I grew up with that book and this cartoon.
Man, I love that comic. Space Detective came out of that comic directly.
There was an issue we found and it was a story about a guy
and he was trapped. It was a very THX one one, three eight
kind of like almost but this is this guy in like a subterranean dystopia and
he's trying to escape and he's on the run and he gets out and he,
you know, sees a futuristic city and it was all black and white
line work, and we're talking about Space Detective. We're like, well,
let's when we were thinking about Space Detective, initially it was gonna be a
short One'm like, well, let's adapt that, right, Let's I'm not
adapt don't we have to eat the right So let's just make something up.
But but the black and white style kind of stayed with the Space has this
eye contrast black and white style that you know, looks like line work and
it's mixed with a bunch of color and others things like that. But for
the most part, it's would you call that rotoscopy? No, because rodoscoping
implies that we drew it. He drew over the ad. Yeah, No,
we did it. I mean Matt's and makeup and then I grabbed,
you know, in front of green screen. He's in black and white clothes
and he's got black awaite makeup on, and then the yank him in of
after effects or something, and I play around with it. Got So,
what's your opinion on rotoscope? It's great? Sure? Why not? Ralph
bo actually certainly likes it. But everything is more things are rotoscope than not,
because if you watch any old Disney movie, those movies are all rotoscopes.
Not everything, but a lot of it are. If you get footage
of like Mowgli walking through the you know, there's so you see an animation
cycle of mobiley walking and then Christopher Robble walking is the same thing, just
drying over. Yeah, previous sleeping beauty is all rotoscope. So this rodoscoping
that we're seeing here, that box, She's sort of really pioneered. The
box rotoscope is more accurate. The Disney rotoscope is more of a guide,
so the animator will follow what the rotoscope is doing and then draw what they're
going to draw, whereas Backsi's animator is you know, drawing Gandalf by tracing
right over you know, his actor's nose and stuff. I think it's effective.
I mean soft landing is a different kind of rotoscating, I think,
right, because that's photographed and compositive. Actually it's pretty much the same,
it's just a little more realistic. Yeah, the whole sequence for soft landing,
Like I just felt like the rest of the nineteen eighties was old as
far as advertising music videos and stuff, and that see that wasn't going to
bring up the rotoscoping on the car. And you see another I'm the B
seventeen because that's a ronoscopture model. And then most of tarn all the landscapes
and models, yeah, films that they filmed because that they used that trick
on the filmation, his filmation and their shows from that time where all rodoscope
too. They do that on the Flashboarning show, right, the rodoscope the
models of the spaceships and it has this kind of weird where the light's reflecting
and it's like a weird kind of thing. It's like a beautiful painting that's
jittery, yeah, while everything else is still. Yeah, so it inadvertently
gives life to everything they've sort of painted it. The best batch is the
best rotoscope back. Anything he did was fire Dyce. Yeah. Yeah,
then Frizetta style can't go. I mean it, it's just beautiful because his
like Lord of the Rings is hit or miss, that movie that's Ry Gray
and someone has just got awful Wizards is great. But then you know he
does that thing where he's like, oh, I cann't afford to animated thing.
So here's some guys with a tint over them. It's too much because
it needs a big finale, and yeah, it's instead just a bunch of
newsreel footage. Yeah, drawn over and not even drawn over is xerox,
Yeah, because that's zeriography was kind of what actually was actually about. Hanna
Barbara were doing the same thing as far as recycling things. So but you
know, he eventually got to drawing over everything. But I do think Wizards
it kind of falls down into that third act just because it's he's so reliant
on it, and I know it's budget and I feel bad, but it
doesn't make the movie any better. Did you happen to watch the short film
I sent you today? In No, I did it. I didn't get
a chance, Sue. I know a lot. I know a little bit
about Richard Worman Ladies and Gentlemen. Richard Corbyn is a fantastic artist. He
drew the entire series of Den drew a lot more than that, obviously,
And what made his stuff so cool is that he airbrushes everything he does.
Everything is painted yeah, orgeous, which they try and replicate here to greater,
unless to a greater or lesser extent. I don't think they got his
sense of action in the models necessarily, but the color palette that they've chosen,
in the way they painted the animation cells fucking gorgeous. This is not
rodoscoped at all. And this is something I was gonna bring up because the
animation you'll see and the non rodoscope stuff has that like kind of rubbery quality
to it that the human characters don't seem to have later in animation, but
like during this like late seventies and early eighties, I feel like they do
because I remember you've seen that the Star Wars. The Boba Fett animator does
the same thing where the characters whenever it's the kind of yeah, and the
dead animation kind of has it a little bit, and so does the one
with the little Syx spot. In nineteen sixty nine, Richard Corbin made a
short film. You can all see it on YouTube right now. It's called
Neverwhere, and it's a live action film pathetic guy at work who is trod
upon by everyone. He receives some message telepathically to find this object, which
he does. Oh, I thought it was a documentary. I'm like,
oh, I'm gonna catch something and they just didn't get you. Just to
watch it ship. Then he builds a little contramp, hooks this like stone
up to it, which opens a portal, and everything becomes animated. The
most simple animation ever. But it's fucking beautiful and it's the it's effective the
entirety. It's incredible. So to think that this was sitting around to sixty
nine, it was going to be a natural that they were making into a
film. I mean, it was successful in the magazine anyway, like to
have a blueprint like his own work. I'm gonna watch it. I have
it in my message. I just you know he's gonna watch it. A
little to day got a light. Uh shit, I can't wait to see
it. I think this is probably historically my favorite one. Then, yeah,
at least is the one I always kind of enjoyed the most. I
don't know. I like this one and so beautiful, so Deadly a lot
too, because just the sci fi and it's great. But the Dead One,
well, the Captain Stern one the middle of this movie is amazing,
but the Dead One is just great Welsh wish fulfillment. Yeah. I maintained
that the criticism where I was talking about earlier, the lesson boy. Yeah,
this is that den has always been that and it doesn't hide it,
you know, and I think you could like, I'm surprised The Rock hasn't
gotten a hold of this and tried to like make a movie out of it
or something, because I mean it it would play. I wouldn't want to,
you know, the Rocks, the Rock. Maybe you know somebody else
there's the other Jason momoo or they're younger, buffer, they're young, but
we haven't met him. Yeah yet, we haven't met dead yet, thank
you. And you know, I saw an article not long ago and it
said that every major box office draw is like, well over forty. Yes,
there's no young movie stars other than like Z and Dea and the like
it's you got is Tom Holland, I guess what about the what about the
Tom Hardy fellow? Tom Hardy's forty six years old? Is he really?
He looks good, He looks great, he stays in shape. I like
that dude on on on Showgun, the dude Cosmo something or other crazy No,
not Craver. Showgun was great. That Austin Butler, dude's pretty Oh
he's real good. Yeah, Like, what's it reminds me of Valkilver very
much. Yeah, and that's not Yeah, then that's not a bad thing.
Thirty year old Val Kilmer was the coolest actor in the world too.
No, I haven't seen any He's great, is he? Uh? Yeah?
Okay? Fade Rouse though, Man, that first dude was just terrible?
Which part one? Yeah? God awful? Yeah, just threat.
I hated every moment of Dune too awesome. Okay, I don't know how
things. I don't know. Did you like later On? You know,
like later Runner, Blade the original? No, the twenty twenty forty nine
Blade Runner. No, see, I don't like it either, and like,
did you like it? No, don't make your sequel fuck with my
original. Don't check the trajectory of characters and their motives in the first movie
with your sequel. Fuck you don't include Does anybody just watch Aliens? That's
how you make a sequel to something that you're not the director of the original
one. Because Aliens is drinking might be better than Alien. It's just there's
such different movies. It's just yeah, yeah, that's Apple Sino morph Ample
versus Ceno morph Orange. Yeah, but man, Aliens is so cool.
Aliens it is cool. But we're not talking a Yeah, there we're talking
den thoughts Matt. Wow, well the closure. I'm being honest. So
that's no experience. I haven't watched Heavy Red seen years, but before fifty
fire to fifteen years you watched it one hundred times. I watched it exes.
Yeah, I'm still trying to refresh. I remember him, kid finds
the lockdown in the backyard, hooks it up to a silo or something.
Lightning hits his house. He ends up in a fantasy world where he's that
giant buff guy, right, and he beats a beautiful red blue eyed.
Yeah. Girls, they're all red headed in this. Yes, it's kind
of great. Yeah, they're all red headed. I think that was a
great scar that fantastical like it's almost like am I was like, man,
you know what I mean, it's like this Sorcery Lasers tins, oh man.
Those were my favorite two when I was a kid that like that,
And it wasn't they was The Queen Man oh man, that Queen Show.
But that's a great like the movie making in that scene is great because it's
in the dark and he's talking, he's hog and he's talking. The light
comes on he's got his hands on her chits because you see the hands go
on the test and you don't so great man. And then the villain is
just like the art are then the super queen like they they've got two evil
queens. I guess, yeah, exactly, And but he's hilarious. The
Lockhart's mind, stupid bitch got away from me. Get the lock does mind
it's mine, but I struck you again? Is the gorilla dude gnar?
Yes, but his outfit is that he's got a belt on with a thing
covering his is his junk, but his ass is just hanging in. You
don't want your enemy seeing how big or small you are. It's like the
logic. I'm like, does that big ass leap onto the creature? And
I'm like, only four nuts? Just there's so many good little characters coments,
particularly with him. But they talk of the savage beast who prowls these
catacombs with a fierce hunger and sharp teeth six inches long, I'm sorry,
sixteen inches long. Or the queen's henchmen going oh here she goes again.
Hey man, she's the queen. She can do whatever the hellse she wants,
but come with me again, this always happens. Look, she's the
queen, she can do whatever she wants. Sure, I really enjoyed that
one. I just I love Den's dialogue is great. I too, Am
from Earth, Like it really were like you believe as an eighteen year old,
you know. But the thing is, I think that was a big
kind of thing around that time. You know, like there was like,
hey man was up, you know, he even did it really looks it
becomes yeah the week you know, and Shazama had that renaissance during that time
period, and like, so we had the TV shows, the live action
show, the cartoon show, Shazanna was a little kid turning into a superhero.
ThunderCats, it was a little kid turned in, you know, became
that something like it's kind of neat how Den is living? Wh Yeah,
the most animated fair even the Codan show at a Universal Studios. It was
a kid comes in, finds codan sword and becomes big Coda. What's going
on? Eighties? Little boys want to be giant people? Why because we
watched heavy Metal? Yes it would work. Yeah, and he's eighteen.
By the way, they he goes out of there, when they go out
of the way, he goes hey, eighteen years old, and I've already
had I'm like, oh okay, to make sure that he's not a kid
doing this. Yeah, all the totally on board everything, but you know,
the you know, the big Cathulu bound stir whatever, big octopus lives
the thing and it's just cool looking. Something I didn't realize until I watched
it again last night. The chant the monster is named. It was just
just cooked through the backwards. Oh Jesus. I like the bugs, the
flying bugs. Flying bugs are great. The monks yeah or signed that.
Yeah, the spooky and the pool itself, the different swirl of waters,
the fucking skies and this one. Oh ye yeah, yeah, it's really
beautiful. It's not my favorite. It was a popular like after we you
know, after partying all day, know, watch that back home on nobody
here. I did like it, really, It's just like it's all as
a short film. It's you could have ended this movie with Dan and extended
it and I would have been totally cool. Yeah. Yeah, it's from
from the ridiculous to the sublime. The Captain Stern now proby, you're not,
I don't. Captain Stern is based on a character created four heavy metal
initially. He eventually got his own comic series, created by my favorite comic
book artist of all time, mister Bernie writes it. Captain Stern himself is
an amorl space pirate basically with the little coterie of characters were always with them,
most prominently a fellow by the name of Handover Fist, who is a
meek little guy who can turn into a big guy. They basically go through
adventures through the cosmos, fucking shit up and stealing things. That's basically all
he does. He's one of my favorite characters of all time. Voiced inexplicably
by Eugene Levy. Yeah, that's the first thing. I'm like, Wait,
that's Eugene Lonon. It's okay, Charlie, I got an angle.
But he's fantastic here. His lawyer is Joe Flaherty. But the most we
can hope for is to get you buried in secrecy so your grave don't get
violated. Yeah, this is all SCTV people peopling this entire movie thanks to
thanks to the Ivan Wrightman's Yeah station in the movie, and of course the
great as the lawyer John was a John w oh John Vernon Vernon prosecutor,
one of the greatest voices of all time. Lincoln Stern, you stand here
accused of twelve counts of murder on the first degree, fourteen counts of armed
theft of Federation property, twenty two counts of piracy in high space, eighteen
counts of fraud, thirty seven counts of rape, and one moving violation.
What a great character, What great character designed? Yeah? Now, like
I said, each of the stories here tend to ape the style of the
artists that initially drew it. And this one is definitely the most cartoony rights
and can be very realistic in his mind or he can, you know the
other way. Yeah, the most cartoony. Captain Stern's chin could fit an
entire anister. Yeah, it's not the Frankenstein. Hey do you think that
the Tora movie is coming? Do you think it's gonna look like that?
I'm really hoping. Oh, man, because it's not Duck Jones doing it.
It's that that that kid, the cub a load. Oh really,
yeah, he's the monster. Oh. They got to put put the rights
and nose on him. Yeah, because it was going to be Andrew Garfield
first, and they're like, okay, well, Andrew is tall and skinny,
and then it's uh, what's his name? Like Cuban brother, what's
his name? Oscar isaac Oh as doctor Frank is now well ship. Now
here's the thing. I love the Lockner as a character hanging out with the
lock Yeah, the Locknar's participation in each of the stories is a bit iffy
in this one for me only because I'm a fan of the Captain's stern comic
hand or fist can willingly change into a gigantic hulk monster who smacks. Okay,
but and then the move because the movie of Wies it is the Loch
now that does it to him right, because he's he's got it as a
marble, he's rolling it back and forth, and then he begins to change,
and that is the implication, and that's what I think everyone believes who
sees the movie. That's a minor quibble though, because this one is so
much fucking fun. He's a blast. Yeah, it's NonStop funny. I
love the animation here, I love the style and is this the best song
in the movie. Cheap Tricks reach out when hanover fist can't fit through the
porthole and just squeezes it feel it like, so he can force his way
through the beautiful, the funniest he's getting When Vernon's reading the prosecutors reading the
list of charges, so Arson fifteen cutting some rape and then it cuts them
and starting he smirks. It's like, that's great editing, man, that
says you want to slide ball this, or it's like, oh what about
the kit what is about the kitty? Prostitution ring, the preschoolers pros Yeah,
freezepool, it's posited ring by the way, Roger bump Roger bumpers.
They are providing the voice of hanover Fist and he's never done anything illegal.
Must you count all the times he's so dope disguised as a nun. Any
fans of SpongeBob square pads, Oh yeah, yeah, that's squid word?
Oh no care? Yeah sure, is Den and Stern make you want to
watch more? Then and then? And yeah. The rest of them though,
Okay, they're good, even the B seventeen, which is magnificent.
It's a it's a you know, it's a open and closed story. Yeah,
but the Stern you want more. Honestly, I could take most of
these stories in a longer form yeah, but like B seventeen benefits from Yeah,
Tarna could be five minutes, but as far as I'm concerned. But
but I agree like this story in particular. I mean, and there is
a whole series. Ladies and gentlemen go out and read the Captain Stern comics.
Yeah. Actually, you don't even have to leave your house. Read
comics online dot from outing them. You can read most of Captain Stern right
there. Oh, there you go. I'm gonna go there and read some
comics. I you know, I get I go through phases and I'll get
a subscription to like the DC thing or what's the other one of the comicology,
and then I'll binge for like two months or something, okay from Captain
Stern. Look, you know, it's it's a really good distillation I think
of the Captain Stern while at the same time completely disregarding their own mythology.
I think it really works in the movie too, Like it's it's a funny
bit but like it's a sorbet piece. Yeah, it's really it's neat.
Yeah, a little Kla cleanser before and it's just all violence. It's no,
it's funny violence. Yeah, it's all cartoon slapstick vins. There's no
tits in it. It's not sexy at all. It's all straightforward, you
know. Mad thoughts on Stern. I do remember his face. Oh,
I can't remember the straining of his face. It's a great face. It's
like if you exploded Clark Kent's face out and he looks so noble. I
was trying to think of an analog for him. The closest I could come
up with was Zach Brannigan on Future Rock. Yeah. There. The difference,
of course, is that Zach Brannigan, for all his bloviating, can't
deliver. But Captain Stern cat It's like like Zach Brannigan crossed with oh what's
his name? From a third man? Yeah, Harry Lyne meets Zach Brannigan.
That's after the start. Captain. Okay, this takes us to my
This is my favorite segment of the entire thy is it or is it?
Captain Stern? Captain Start looks like John Hamm. Yeah, oh my god,
immediately live action Stern. I'll deal with this, yeah, like it
can seech you everything else in and John Hanns can play asshole so well.
And now yeah, imagine comedic asshole, emedic ass Oh yeah, oh sweet,
somebody. The funny thing is his fleedged didn't work, didn't it.
I don't think it did. I thought he worked in it, did you.
I thought he was more that character than the Chevy Chase was. Yeah.
Maybe, I just think that story was born. Now. Look,
in the late nineteen sixties early nineteen seventies, Dan O'Bannon was a bunch of
specs script worked while he was While he was at USC, he was working
with a fellow classmate, John Carpenter. They made a short film short film
together called Dark Star that ended up getting financing and they spun out to a
feature. Carpenter and he hard ways at that point because Carpenter thought that dan
Ovanner was trying to steal all of his glory by taking too much credit for
Dark Stuff. But around that time, Dana Banner was working on a screenplay
called Gremlins. The structure of it worked out and it was about a B
seventeen returning from a bombing rode over Tokyo, and they have a two hour
flight, two hour movie, and at a certain point Gremlins get aboard on
the through the tail. Gunner and they the rest of the movie slowly worked
their way forward, decimating each each soldier, or rather each airman that they
find, eventually leading to the ending. Now, he never fully completed that
script, had just sort of put it away. When he was talking to
his buddy Ronald Shoussett about this movie. He was writing about a interstellar creature
that can sneak aboard the ship by hiding inside a human. He didn't have
an ending for it, and Ronald shust said, Hey, you know that
ending for that Gremlins movie you were doing. Just do that, which is
we're basically the structure of the rest of alien. That's the alien chasing them
through their own shit. When it came time to adapt yeah, when it
came time to adapt Tagged Metal into a movie, that's one of the stories
that Dan Obannet suggested. So it is based on his story, but he
didn't do any writing of it. It doesn't appear in the original comic at
all. There's no record of it being drawn beforehand. There is that most
definitely, there wasn't a Heavy Metal put out a new mini series based on
B seventeen just a couple of years ago. Not so. No Mike Clue
what are you gonna do? Yeah, exactly. So B seventeen actually was
going to be gremlins. I don't know what the decision was or why they
decided that it wasn't going to be feasible. I mean, I can only
guess it was budget and time to animate these thousands of fremlins like swarming over
the hull of the of the ship. So they designed instead that the Locknard
would slam aboard this ship and bring back the dead. This is our undead
ec Comics tribute design. As you said by mister Mike Plube, it was
a fucking giant. All of this stuff is gorgeous. Name some of the
credits the Lord of the Rings as really like his Lord of the Rings stuff.
There's nowhere in that movie, but like I've seen like like his calendars
and all this shit. Like kidding, man, the stuff is just really
cool. You can see where Peter Jackson took to Mike Pluge stuff and showed
it to his guy. And I'll do this. I would say that you
want to see some fucking fantastic artwork in design, or go google Mike plube
work on John Carpenter's to the thing. He designed all that shit. He
had some insane designs for what the alien would be, sort of early on
when it was going to be a creature that just sat on your head and
like convinced you, oh no kidding, Yeah, yeah, it was supposed
to be like a psychic projection like creature at one point. And he has
designs for all those all spectacular. You can, if you search along and
hard enough, see his designs for the gremlin creatures. Here there are two,
yeah I saw them. Yeah yeah. There's one that's sort of a
character model of the gremlin, and then there's another storyboard which is even harder
to find. I think it's in one of the original art books for Heavy
Metal of a gremlin attempting the tail banner or attempting to get into the tail
gun section could be said. Anyway, the gremlins don't matter. The rest
of the design is by Mike Pluge anyway, including the fucking zombies, which
I think in the end we get about maybe seven seconds, maybe ten of
these zombies, and yet I can remember them so fucking yeah, with those
glowing green eyes and yeah sentence. You see like a close up of a
hand as it boils into skeleton form. The belly gunner zombie. You don't
see it all because the navigator gets pulled in there. We just see him
flopping around in floods. Well, that's my and that the shot is just
amazing. And then the blood. I remember those undeadts and I'm surprised that
it was over like seven Yeah, they're only in it for just a little
bit. That image is just burned in my brain. But I mean it's
and it's a great zombie board, Like it's a five minute zombie masterpiece.
Oh yeah, it would as a live action thing. A lot of these
wouldn't work, but this one especially, and that ending, the ending is
cool because the ending is like, ah, I'm saved, and he ends
up in the island and then all of a sudden you just see you see
a shadow over here, and then a shadow over there, and then there
they are and there they are, and then is that also the island is
just filled them all the air the airplane wreckages and all these pilots are coming
out of it, coming after him with stuff, and it's just I like,
in the film making of it, thought when he is all this exciting
music, all those exciting music, and but when the pilot finally gets out
of the plane. Real music. Yeah, let's talk about the beginning.
Have you guys listened to Elma Bernstein's original score for Heavy Metal? I listened
to some of it. His score for B seventeen is largely on yirs.
Oh yeah. He had a very triumphant World War two kind of aren't we
doing great up here in the air kind of a scoring thing that might have
written for grab Ones, because initially it was like the bombing run occurs and
we get to know our characters and then they start to go, whereas what
we get here is basically the entire crew massacred during the opening sequence. Sent
to Don Felder taking a ride. Yeah, it's a magnificent Yeah, it
works great man, And just the animation is cool, and just the action
is me and it's very exciting. But and it's all the rotoscope or a
time. Yeah, but like when the bomba deer gets it. I don't
know about you, fellas, but I always had a romantic notion about being
in a B seventeen in World War Yeah. If I was gonna go and
have to fight in World War Two, I want to be on that plane.
I feel a little differently now, that I've watched Masters of the Air.
Yeah, exactly. I don't want to do that. It seems very
terrifying from even just take off. Yeah, I mentioned zombies. Apparently it's
just cool. I just love I love the glowing green, you know,
because in live action you may not see something like that, but definitely that
easy kind of horror comic. Yeah, with the green blow around all of
them. Yeah, it's fantastic. And then the designs at the end because
when they're on the island, like there's the one there's one zombie that slides
back the cockpit glass and it's just the top part of the skull like the
Jaws falling away. Yeah, it's like I gotta say, you know,
like you guys, I saw this movie when I was nine years old.
Up until then, if someone were to get shot in a movie or a
television show, in my mind, they just fell over and we're dead.
Yeah, that's what happens. I was in no way prepared to see the
radio operator being perforated in the in his right arm. He's holding the microphone
up and it gets shot through the area, grabs his own arm because it
hurts so much, or not to mention just the physical told that the this
movie taught me that violent death is an ugly terrible thing. Here's anything you
can tell, like the animators having a great time, like they're having a
lot of fun in this sequence drawing those monsters. Oh not only the laws
are just like the guy's dyet. Is it fantastic that even the aftermath of
that when he's when the navigators checking each of the guys and they each follow
up over in some terrible way, like all of this spell out onto the
ground, like, oh my god, this has been the first like undead
like World War two soldiers image, right, I mean I can't first off,
see can't prior to yeah, because like World War two zombies now and
brought you know the video game Bread and Butter. Yeah, big business,
World War two zombie. Yeah, but yeah here it was pre dating all
thanks to Dan O'Bannon and I guess whoever rerets strip said let's just do zombies.
Yeah, yell, it's nothing. You want me to draw the segmented
creature No. B seventeenth is it? Like I said, it's a it's
a it's an britigue. It's very brief and it brings us to but it's
like a perfect common little comic book short story though, like it's like three
or four pages of just like, oh man, this is a great.
Oh fuck, it's over. Let me read it again. I do want
to see that grand Ones. Yeah, I mean they kind of just did
that shadow in the Cloud movie with Chloe Graysmer like two years ago. It
was fucking terrible. Oh yeah, it's gone awful. There's so much labyrinthine
plotting, which should just be we're on an airplane with the fucking monster trying
to kill us. But to see the Dan O'Bannon Kremlin script, yeah,
that is donald movie. Oh boy. Now if you say the word gremlin,
you're talking about a mangoa. Yeah, prior to nineteen eighty four,
if you said gremlin, if you knew at all what anyone was talking about.
It originated in World War Two, the pilots would say any malfunction that
was unexplained was called that redhead having such a grin that gremlins too. I
had the biggest crush in that red Head when I was a little kid.
Oh billy with the cigarette and like the girl's fine is a loue. I've
read head Plan and and all in that say, you know what's break through
in that movie is John Glebert. Yeah, yes, it's Donald clamp Yeah,
Donald clamb oh Man and Christopher Lee. My favorite choke, You've reached
Men's Room, mister. It's like just so bizarre that movie, dude,
I love it. B seventeen transition Locknar Where we go in Locknar, we
go from there? Where well we go from the bee s seventeen It blings
right, No, it's the guy in the jungle surrounded by zombies. It
becomes a vector graphic, becomes a vector graphic on the spaceship right, and
then change the channel to the yeah to gone, which is our first computer
generated image here. Yeah, but what cool? That's a brilligon meat transition.
That's a really cool transition in nineteen eighty one. Yeah, that's the
greatest of all. Yeah. Now, this story is based on a series
in Heavy Metal Magazine by Angus McKee. It is I'm going to urge if
you like this segment of the thing, you have to beat the original this
one. The story we're presented in the film is maybe like I don't know,
the first few moments of the entire book. The book is an existential
pondering of the universe in Man's place, and it's these humans from Earth who
hitch a ride on this ship and then they travel the galaxy, meeting all
these intergalactic weirdos. It's pretty fucking fantastic. And like I said, they
just take the initial couple stories here for the film, changing almost everything except
the robot, which is designed exactly the same in both. The overall design
is beautiful. The ship is fucking fantastic. Yeah, I love that ship.
That's like the ball with the group with the paint in it when it's
hovering over the pensul. Yeah, it's just gorgeous. Like it looks like
a seventies album come to Yeah, that's what it does look like. Getting
Here is basically a tale of a robot who repairs robots, picking up a
malfunctioning a robot who's a higher up in our Pentagon and transporting him back for
repair, and they accidentally suck up a secretary, another redhead, another blue
eyed redhead. Yeah, she's got a lock inar. See that's the other
thing. Lockar pendant is the most ethnic person in the whole movie, is
her, I guess cause she's Jewish. Because she's Jewish. Yeah, oh
well progressive eighties, very progressive. Yeah yeah, none at all stereotypical.
You think she's saying, no, not at all? Great whatever is It's
funny. John Candy's doing the voice of the Road here. He's fucking great
in it. But the stars of the oh yeah, of this episode,
Zeke and Edsell were the pilots ship, voiced by Harold Ramiss. It's okay,
man. If there's one thing I know, it's how to drive when
I'm stoned. It's like, you know, your perspectives fucked, so you
just gotta let your cands work the control. It's as in, you're straight.
And Dave Thomas, yes, which his voice is the one that shocks
me here. He's the he's the genet, the equivalent here because he's doing
the stoner voice. Yeah, I do not expect to come out of Dave
tom Oh typical robot, the first earth chick we see in ten years.
And he's got to make a play for Zeke and Edsel get out some plutonium
nyborg, you know. And I just remember they hang out that snow machine
and it's like they've just been all over that floor and I'm watching even to
when I was watching it this morning. He's doing it at Zeke right,
the green guy he walks, he steps in, and I'm like, man,
he's gotta stort that day. And he just stepped in it. This
is what I know that I'm watching stuff as I'm older now, and I'm
just like, as a kid, like, just put that drug on a
toilet seats something you're watching something else. I had the same reaction because he's
laying out two parallel lines. The machine is pumping out two lines at one
time, and I'm like, that's good, that's good. Yeah, yeah,
and then he starts crossing over. Yeah, so now the lines are
all strang like what were you doing? Not a concern when I was twelve.
No, If there's a stoner sequence in this, this is it.
It's funny because it's like when it reacts and it's not like they're coked up
and like all jittery and everything. They're just stone. They're ontyborg so what
who knows what it does? Yeah? And man, and some of the
best animation in this, yeah, you know, little nods to other sci
fi. We got the starship, Yeah, races passed the window. At
one point the space city they dock in is like super like Q Sammy Hagar.
Yeah, everything looks like that after that movie, like that, design
aesthetic is all over Blade Runner. That design aesthetic is all over Space Detective,
It's all over Like Judge Dread, It's all over pretty much anything cyberpunk
that came out and overcrowded everything on top of everything, advertising over every inch
of everything, and little jokes and everything. I really like too. In
the big joke here is you know, they have this gigantic port that they
can get their tiny shift through that they yeah, the wall in the coming
they're watching another shifting and making fun. What I noticed was cool. I
get back back to the filmmaking of it, is how the scale changes so
like at first they like there's jaw and ship right over the Pentagon, and
then by the end of it, it's this tiny little thing floating into this
massive giant space like one civilization structure. You'll notice some of Milonky editing here
because the real Oh yeah, the robot and the girl get off the shift
before they landed. Yeah, here's the thing, the order, And I'm
sure you've read the script. The order initially was this story came before handover
Fist the Captain Stern story. In fact, their mission was to pick up
hanover fist and deliver him to the space station. See now, if you
look at it this way, rearranging the movie back to that script and kind
of like intercutting it, you could get a pulp fiction type picture that jumps
around and casts over. I don't think. I think some studio executives said,
what are you crazy, You're going to confuse everybody. Yeah, and
that's what happened. I don't even know if he wasn't playing. I just
think someone said, you're going to give the audiences. But I mean it
was, you know, nineteen eighty one. That's the beginning of the focus
group. Anyway, is maybe that movie had come out four years earlier,
they might have it would have been like that when they were, you know,
somebody gave were giving that che money into his Initially, there was a
sequence called Neverwhere Land that got mostly animated that was between it ends on b
seventeen. I know, but it's it's basically like the locknar at the end
of a story is like sort of primordial and it becomes very like beautifully animated,
and it tells the tale of evil from the Dawn of Time to World
War Two. So it shows like the Crucifixion of Christ, and it shows
like Jack the Ripper, and it's like all these horrible things and then it
ends in like like Holocaust imagery and then pans up and then they'd be seventeen
squire. You know. It's funny because Fantasia cuts out and there was a
sequence of the Dinosaur Oh, which I think they when they did Fantastic two
thousand, they there's an anthology that's right, yeah, thirty nine and I'm
not gonna do it. But we're only doing this one because he said the
teen squeaks us and I'm like, it's not about an animated one because I
just love talking about cartoonies. The fact that this movie exists as a miracle
because we haven't had any, like we got that heavy Metal to the thousand.
I haven't been able to bring myself to watch that. Have you tried?
Is it? Is? It? Is it? Watching it's Tarna over
two hours? Yeah, it's two hours of Tarner. That's not hurt the
animated Yeah, and like a fucking Chris cost I've watched pieces of it online
over the year. It was like Hey, where's this crap? Do you
know that in two thousand and nine David Fincherton, Yes, I did that,
felt part. Did you also know that they did make an entire series
and it came out in twenty three Teens Love Death and Robots? Yeah,
yeah, how dare that? Yeah? Love Death and Robots is missus one
doesn't have it doesn't It's not sexy at all? Are there fantasy service?
It's all sci fi? It's all sci fi? Yeah, So like I
never would have guessed it was in Yeah, because to just take one element,
one genre and say this is heavy, man, I'm glad they called
it something else ously because well, yeah, I mean that's because I still
think the brand is viable. I think you could still make a movie.
I haven't read I confess that I haven't read the Grant Morrison era at all.
And my love Grant Morrison and every comic is very For some reason,
I just haven't read that, so I don't know if it's any good or
you know, his other sci fi is great, so I was assuming that,
you know, and his fantasy stuff is pretty good too. I haven't
read his Santa Claus yet. It's the only thing you haven't read of his
I think you're gonna talk about Kevin Eastman here personally, Kevin Eastman, the
great Kevin Eastman is he great to me? He is even great in Ninja
Turtles, and I count myself. You don't think Peter Laird had anything.
Oh, don't get me wrong. It's a it was a two man operation.
But for the story is a sad one, like how they kind of
Peter Laird had all but you know, difficulty and shit that toys who made
Us as an episode on net Flix. It's about their reunions. Well tears,
beautiful, my nerd hipster moment. I don't really try to ever be
like that, but my one is like, oh yeah, black and white
Ninja Turtle comics, like I liked them before they had a cartoon show.
Yeah, before they were pizza, Yeah, before they were at And to
put this to this day, if there's a Ninja Turtle in front of me,
I'm gonna watch it. I want to love those characters. It was
just something I like. They got me at nine. I will maintain that
he's great in that. He in ninety four saw heavy metal failing and said
I'll buy that, and you still got heavy metals, yeah to this day
because it's not monthly anymore, but it's not squarterly or yeah, but I
don't care as songs, we're getting new art from you, fucking from these
mad geniuses. But you know, as a horny teenager, man was great,
man, it was awesome. The minute the guy behind the counter figured
you were old enough to buy heavy metal, you got it because they didn't
guard you for it, but they wouldn't sell TV you were a little kid.
Do you think heavy metal has any appeal to horny adolescents now considering what
is available to them online? And I think do you think that might force
heavy metal away from the sort of it's just for boys? Well maybe because
the kids, Well yeah, I think that. I think kids can discover
it. I think the music had a lot to had a lot to do
with it too. The fact that there was a magazine that had comics in
the magazine was called heavy metal. In the eighties and nineties, you were
gonna get the kid who liked heavy metal music inadvertently. One was always going
to pick it up. Oh what's this all about? And half of those
kids who buy another one? What makes it relevant? What made it then?
I think it was the fact that it was horny. I think that
helps a lot. Yeah, I think that definitely swelled its ranks. But
now I think they're discriminating people reading heavy metal too. I mean, yeah,
go back and look at a lot of those issues. Yeah, there's
I guess there's money of the Sword and Sandal, big titted girl. What
brought me in as a kid, right, Yeah, it was an equal
appeal. Yeah, and that for me. But that's funny because you know,
and you know, I keep thinking about what I want to make as
you know, our next movies and stuff, and I keep going back to
wanting to do something that's a naked fantasy sci fi mashup. Not necessarily like
you know, Star Wars is for everybody, but like you know, Flash
Gordon was you know, pretty sexy. There's got to be a way to
do that with it not being poorish and misogynistic. Well, let's see what
they do with Barbarella. It's gonna be bad. Yeah, Barbarella was bad
in the sixties. It's not a good movie. It's just pretty. It
is very pretty. It's it's a beautiful movie. The imagery is fantastic.
There's always a need I think for adult adventure and fantasy and sci fi,
I think there's a need for it. I think Zack Snyder keeps trying to
do it poorly lately, poorly when he started out not so much. You
great that three hundreds fantastic, Watchman's fantastic, like that first Rebeluin wasn't very
good, and I haven't second any good No, And I hate it.
I like being grane and I don't think you understand. They need space grade.
He needs space grade. They came here and an interstiller cry out because
they will hear wheat when they're gorgeous. Though, I would like to see
him do an avvy metal genre movie with with maybe somebody else writing it.
Somebody should write a script and then he should make that script. He should
be involved in the development at all. But anyways, but going back to
the seventeen no, going back to the which what we're in, the beautiful
but deadly It's it you can get as a collected book. In fact,
you can read it that Reconmims recommics. Yeah, because I always as when
I was younger, I liked that one because it was all these guys are
getting high and this girl's got you know, his sexy and she's not completely
naked, so I kind of want to see what's going on even more.
And she is completely naked. Oh yeah she is, doesn't She went,
that's right when she's laying down, and then it's like yeah, then his
hand spins around like a little bill though. I think he was nat and
Ivan Wrightman invested so much of his new capital in this, yeah, you
know, and he would he would eventually do I'm not bauching foroo quality of
the move, but Space Jam he pushed through. Yeah, even after making
this film and it was a nightmare. Even answer Roberts A Mechis told him,
don't do it. It takes forever and you're just gonna be frustrated.
And that Greg he you know, he continued his commitment to animation and at
that time hands but you know, Roberts Mechas made a masterpiece though, Oh
clear, because that that Roger Rabbit. Every now, every whenever I think
about that, we were to see anything about that, it was magical.
No Calleague, the filmmaking, that script is perfect, It's perfect, absolutely
perfect. Every line leads to something, and see he lays everything out for
you and you have no idea until the end. It is g and Eddie
Murphy is still kicking himself to this day for turning it down. But would
it have worked with Eddie Murphy maybe maybe, Yeah, I think so if
you're playing a character and this was sitting on him a little bit. Yeah.
And it's funny that, like it's not successful outside of it, Like
the Roger Rabbit cartoon in the universe never took off, like it just it
is what it is, and that's fine. It works because it's the line
action. Yeah, yeah, the cartoons. Look, the cartoon that starts
Roger Rabbit is great, it's very yeah, but then the rest of it,
it's just him being brutalized. Yeah. So once you start watching more
shorts that are just based on watching him get the shit kicked out of him,
not interested. I like Roger. Yeah, you spend two hours with
him, and you like, go on this journey with him where he grows,
it becomes brave and listen. Yeah. Plus I don't bind that he's
such a fucking dish rag it because he's got Jessica exactly, like, come
on, But it's a similar pairing to the Robot and the Secretary. Yeah.
Absolutely, you know, it's just a little the little guy in the
bombshell. It's a great cartoon bearing it really works. Works even the animated
Adam's Family or like the cart in the old comic strips. Goldmez is usually
more dominated than Squat. Yeah. Yeah, besides the read that is Mortician
stories nearly my stories nearly complete. He had five stories fucked right, No
matter who I run into, I'm just gonna spiel it on and I gotta
tell them five tales. But like, like he's that good? Is he
tested out material? Turn out the lock now stand like a spire. He's
trying to get on there. He's got a couple of generals coming up in
La and he wants to make sure his pitches are all solid. Yeah,
he's got to work on the new material. Have a Netflix special coming up.
Man got to lock that all down. Tarn awesome boobage. You know,
like South Park did a whole thing just based on Tarno did their whole
did a whole sequence or an episode on it when they tried to say everything
and I think they missed the mark and they hit the mark at the same
time. It's not my favorite story. It's not it's kind of a long
takes forever and like it doesn't make a lot of sense. I wish they'd
be young, because, as you said, her in the middle portion of
this movie fires like fucking gang. Yeah it does. It's him after it
hit den through. Yeah, the previous but this is all just basically it
ends with it just you can link back to the framing device of the little
girl and who cares. Yeah, I didn't need her at all. This
movie could have just had the lock nar fly in from outer space and address
me. Yeah, audience member, go hey, fuck her, Yeah,
I'm evil. Yeah, and here's how you lie. I think, Tarna.
It was a fleshed out story. There's the world is interesting, the
universe is interesting, agreed. It's gorgeous, Yeah, and it's pretty.
But they spend also five minutes of her flying, a lot of time flying,
a lot of time, a lot of time fetish shotting, not only
the actual fetish shots of her getting dressed, but like the disrobing and swimming
across the moat and then climbing the stairs slowly, and it's just even like
putting on a sleeve, it takes twenty five seconds to just go up.
You haven't been to go up and they never put it on. And then
ten seconds on every shot is like fifteen seconds to long. We would talk
about the male gaze. This sequence is the male gaze. Everything you were
complaining about heavy metal, here it is. And the funny thing is,
she's not even that good at her job. She's a poor Takian she is.
The minute she gets on the thing, she flies around for a little
while. The minute she goes into the bad guy's domain, she gets captured,
and she flies into the thing and immediately she's in a net and the
guy whips her naked whi big knee by whip, and he beats the shit
out of her. The counter argument has always been, but Tarna is a
strong female character, and I would say who is captured, stripped, possibly
raped, definitely whipped, absolutely right. They're just knowing like, thank god
we don't have that, we didn't have to endure this. Thank god the
Game of Thrones guys weren't behind it. Who would have gotten that? Who?
But so this poor thing is to go through all that and then you
know, the creature saves her. You know, the creature saves her like
even like member, that's the hero of Yeah, you make this poor character
like this horny thing the whole thing, and you don't even make her a
badness at the end. The finishouts we were just discussing, they're fine.
I mean, I'm not going to complain as a young male exactly, but
I mean, but particularly now as a lover of cinema and cinema music,
this is really the segment where we get to hear and kind of luxuriate in
Elmer Bernstein. Yeah, Elmer Bernstein of the Magnificent set. Yeah, And
it's a weird thing how his career, Like I remember learning this from my
Animal House, a laser disc that I had in high school or whatever it
was, and the audio commentary on from lanasacking, Yeah, he was this
prestigious guy who's gonna get older. And then I'm like, can we get
him? And he comes in with his magnificent score that makes that B movie
into an A movie. Like it's just a horny college way, but he
has that music in it, like it's really like expensive sound. It's collegiate.
It's collegiate. That's what college sounds like. Right. We've heard that
score replicated at least good times since and the Great thing about the genius thing
of it is that he hires Elmer Bernstein and says, don't make it at
comedies. But you know it's another but when he does do a comedy store
in Stripes, it's beautiful. It's beautiful. And the Bennet's Store was used
in every fucking Columbia trailer the entire of the nineteen eighties. If you wanted
to signify fun, it was Elmer Bernstein's score from Stripes. And but he
was an educated score. You know, when we went, I'm gonna go
back to our own ship, to our own horn, but I'm gonna I'm
gonna build up our composer, Mark Chafferu and Marcus Schafferu and that's older brother,
my older brother too. Basically at this point he did art spaces like
disco. When we sat down and do it, I go, I want
the characters have themes. I want this zizzo to to sound like this,
and I want And he wrote little themes for everybody, and I I first
became aware of that not even Star Wars Stripes. As a kid, I'm
like, you're telling Bill Murray comes on the screen, He's got that loser
music and it's it is and it's just wonderful, and it carries over he
does Ghostbusters and it carries over into Ghostbusters too, like Elma Burnstein is the
King of the Woodwinds. Yeah, a lot of Yeah, but the little
the loser music or telling Mark that, I'm like, give me that kind
of quality Wheneverizzo's on screen, I want this loser of music, Elma Burns
seeing it, the fact that he had like this Rhinaissan's all because even rightman
and Joe and Landis John Landers, like, you know, we're fans.
It's neat it how that's how the movie business should worked. Like you know,
you guy, you grew up loving and you're making a movie. You
can hire him to work with you. You're learning from him, Yeah,
while providing you know, not only adoration, like a chance to do great
work. And Bursting did some of his best work in the nineteenes and this
man was fucking massively busy during the nineteen sixties. Yeah, thank god I
had the right mean, thank god John, like absolutely, But what's funny
to me is now having heard the entirety at the Squirre, you realize how
very little of it there is. There is a villain I mean anything with
the Locke nar certainly of the entirety of the dead sequence, because there's no
reason to cutting, Like it's beautiful, man, it's really neat stuff.
Yeah, that's the other thing, Like that's what makes the Tarna sequence work
work, And they're not even Like they're gazy and they're objective whatever you want
to call it, but they're not horny. So even as a teenager,
I'm like, oh, just fucking show me your titty or not, right,
you know what I mean? Like it was was it even? But
yeah, I agree with you, Like I was never turned on there,
no by Tarna in the entire sequence. It's like it's the one with the
most male gays and it accomplishes the least effect. Yeah, because any of
the previous horny sequences in the movie are way more sexy because it's more dead
where the laughs cover up the fact how horny it is because you're looking at
into the eyes of this kid. It works because it's to the eyes of
a teenager. Right, It's the most meta of any of the story because
it's it's laying it out for you, like I am the horny teenager.
Yeah, oh I'm living my horny teenager life. Like I'm this isn't wish
fulfillment in any form of subterfused. What what I would have liked is better
rock music, Like, yeah, there's music in it, and I guess
everybody was huge at the time, Chief Trick probably being the best band they
got. There's some blue Waister called him there. But there's no Zeppelin,
there's no Sabbath. They were I think they were trying to go with manness
that were current, I guess, but there's nothing. There's no Iron Maiden
in it. We were coming out in nineteen eighty one called heavy metal.
That doesn't have Iron Maiden or Judas Priest in it. None of that music
in that movie slaps like that, except for the star, the Cheap Trek
sequence, the Cheap Tricks sequence, and the opening of B seven. Yes,
those are the two. Those are the two songs that I'll listen to
sort of still off the sound, but you know the onunny things that bit
I don't care for and it's too bad because of a weird segue. But
those the Taiko dd thor movies, why do use of the Zeppelin music?
And for some reason it doesn't really work very well. And I agree,
it's too obvious, it's yeah, and it's not cut to it right,
It's just like, here's a cool thing on top of it. And I'm
like, if I had the blessings of Odin himself to give me a Led
Zeppelin song for my movie, I would not sleep for a week until I
had every single beat of that movie cut to my movie, because when when
you get that chance. The trailer was better than the movie, at least
with the use of the Zeppelin, just like it's just the use of the
immigrant song and school rock is better. I will say that the music placement
in this film, While some of the songs have not stood the test of
time and some of the artists are kind of questionable, I do think that
the musically they choose pieces from the songs that really yeah, because like in
So Beautiful, So Deadly that actually I think has the most music cues in.
In fact, there's a whole other trick song in there that we only
get one little slice of when they are being sucked into the shit. This
is a good, good, kind of like subject here to wrop the movie
up with. But like what I like about heavy metal or reminded me about
it when I watched it again, it was something that movies lacked. Heavy
metal was Coolah, heavy metal was a cool thing. If you had an
older brother or an older cousin or something like that, they knew about heavy
metal and it was a cool thing that like teenagers and college kids got to
go and you they only showed it at midnight, and like, you know
what I mean, and you know your mam will get pissed if you were
watching it. It was cool and it was dangerous. Movies aren't cool anymore.
Like it's superhero movies. And I love superheroes. I love that genre,
but like cool about superheroes. The whole point of superheroes is the nerd
not cool. Star Wars was cool when I was a kid, but it's
not very cool now. It's everything is nerdy, So like the where is
the edge at without it being you know, edgy the coolest part and parcel
with the music. Yeah, it's part of the attitude of the whole thing.
Yeah, I don't know that it can be recaptured because part of that
thing that we everybody was big at least in that movie and then taught everybody
was a day. The music is what they sold. Oh yeah, as
the stars of the movie. Well, what's funny is of course that the
music would beat the movies undoing, because part of the mystique, the part
of that cool factor, is that it never came to videos because the rights
issues with the music couldn't be resolved because nobody was thinking about home media,
because there was no idea that it was happening. So so each individual deal
with each of the artists couldn't get it on video. It wasn't until nineteen
ninety six, Thank you Kevin and the Eastman who actually put the deal together
and then got us the movie full that's what that re release with cinemas happened
and everything. Yeah, so I caught my first year of college US a
year at college. Yeah, you think heavy melts are there cool bands?
Now? It's not on a cool sort of rock bands out there, right,
No. I imagine a new heavy metal would be pretty much drenched in
hip hop, honestly, Yeah, or Harry styles, something new. I
mean, that was the thing, Like all of those songs were new.
That was you know, heavy metal was a new genre at the time,
Like it was all just bubbling up and it was kind of lightning in a
bottle. I think that the way to approach it now it's rather than drown
it and Trent music is drown it in Classics can be the weirdest reference I
think I'm ever gonna make. I follow Justine Bateman Mallory. I follow her
to you follow her on Instagram. Okay, so she's a TV director and
she's an anti AI crusader and all this shit, But she made she made
a point about something that was being recycled or whatever she was. Here you
go another example of the fact that you're just going to be living only with
twentieth century pop culture for the rest of your life. Like everything that our
culture uses comes from me twentieth century Marvin, twentieth century, Star Wars,
Marvin twentieth century. Even Harry Potter was published in the late nineties, you
know, like, and everything AI is drawing from it is from a fucking
catalog of images from fucking from the twenty Yeah, I just like that.
The movie was a big influence on me. The comic was a big influence
on me, Like I wouldn't have made the movie that I made without heavy
letal, Like just from the rock and roll kind of attitude of the film
where you know, where are we kind of space Detective is? You know,
it's what it is is. That's how we could make it. You
know, it might have been only a cartoon if we had all the money
in the world, or might have been only live action. You know,
I don't know, but it is what it is, and it looks what
it is because I have AMoD It's got that this mix of you know,
sci fi and culture and sexy girls and all that kind of that. Comic
It was like I read comics all growing up, but Heavy Metal was like
when I got an issue of it was kind of a treat because you know
it was going to be different. It wasn't going to be the usual American
thing. It was warmly was and it was wildly rereadable. Yeah man,
yeah, I could pour over one issue of Heavy Metal for a year.
Yeah. And back then we were getting them once a month. It was
crazy. And the funny thing is my comic shop, I don't they ever
carried it. You had to get into the seven eleven. Yeah, you
had to get it set on it up near the Playboys up nearly Playboys,
And there's a deep well of stories there too, I think. But there
could be more heavy metal movie or at a television show series. There's still
something there. Well, absolutely, people like what drives me crazy is they're
like, let's do a new movie and write a whole new screenplay. Like
if you're gonna make an anthology, they're already there. You already already have
the rights to have ever instant and like you and the fan niet fantasy anywhere
because it was we you know, we were in a by culture back then.
Oh yeah, it was fantasy was yeah, sci fi was hard to
find. Yeah, fantasy, you were good luck. And again it was
for growing ups and if you for a teenager, that was meat. For
college kid, that was like something for me day and something cool. Yeah,
something cool. This movie is definitely cool. And I think that's where
we're gonna wrap things up here. Pleadies and gentlemen, thank you for joining
us here on midnight Viewing, and thank you once again to Swamp Media Group
for joining us here for this lively animated discussion. Antonio, where can people
find you? What are you working on? What do they want to get
in? Touched? Do you wanted they want to see your stuff? So
you want to head over to Swamp MediaGroup dot com. You can find us
at Swamp Media group on Instagram. Spacedetectivemovie dot com. You can learn all
about Space Detective there, you can watch the movie. There, you can
order a T shirt with a you and you use the dough. We're currently
working on a couple of short films right now. One's called at Living Ben
stars Matt as a gentleman who gets bit by his arm beat and live streams
the whole thing. So once he gets big, you see him dying over
the course of like forty five minutes. And there's some really cool internet stuff
and you know, comments on modern society and ship and there's a pretty good,
uh, pretty good sequence in there with with Father Malone. That's pretty
good. Yeah, despite that, you should watch it. And we have
another short film called Jim starring Matt. You're gonna tell them about that dude
sucking out in the desert. Care in a box. There's a voice that's
able to open up. Don't give it away. Yeah that's enough. Yeah,
it's pretty cool. It's a good one. You're gonna have to keep
your eyes out for it. I'll be advertising it here when it does.
And then we're gonna we're gonna start up our next feature, probably by the
end of the year, next year sometime. Yeah, yeah, we're pretty
excited, you know, getting back into it. That COVID you know,
we tell you COVID knocked us out for a couple of years until we had
it or anything, but it shut everything so down, like it took a
few years just to jump start back up. But here we are here,
we are thank you for having us. Of course you're gonna find links to
Swamp Media Group here in the edit what do you call it comments section?
I guess something out of there to check below for the links to Swamp Media
Group. Like I said, ladies, and thank you once again for joining
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