WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:04.679 One last job. I told you I'm out of the game. Sorry, 2 00:00:04.719 --> 00:00:10.480 I dragged you back in. Take me back to the place sign know, 3 00:00:10.679 --> 00:00:15.000 with the Mystery Shack and the forests. I'm orety back, So come on, 4 00:00:15.119 --> 00:00:19.039 let's go. Don't get me started. My heart's in gravity Falls. 5 00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:23.359 Welcome to Mystery Shack, look back. A nostalgic time capsule and no spoiler 6 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:28.359 book club of the original Gravity Falls fandom, except not really doing that today. 7 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:33.320 We are your curators. I'm Ella, I'm Shelby, I'm Charlie. 8 00:00:33.320 --> 00:00:37.280 And when we say see you next summer, we mean it. Yeah yeah, 9 00:00:37.320 --> 00:00:40.920 Well we can see you, but you can't see us audio audio medium. 10 00:00:41.039 --> 00:00:45.079 Earlier we could see Rob Ronzetti, but he couldn't see us. I 11 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:48.039 ran away in shame from my camera, which is to say, we are 12 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:54.960 joined today once again by Robert Renzobert, you may know as Bobby roun Zabie 13 00:00:55.039 --> 00:00:58.280 of course, yes, or the author of the journal. The author of 14 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:04.359 the Journal, Rob Rinzetti, true, several nom de plumes, creator of 15 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:08.799 My Life as a teenage Robot. And of course what was that show we 16 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:14.840 talked about before? I can't remember my little pony right, Yeah, that's 17 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:17.959 the thing we had a podcast about, could be Samurai Jack you worked on. 18 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:22.719 I think every cartoon that people like that was it. If it has 19 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:26.040 a fandom, Rob has worked on it, Dexter's Lab, Big City Greens, 20 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:32.040 Foster's Home, Powerpuff Girls, don't forget about meaning the Count. My 21 00:01:32.200 --> 00:01:34.879 series of shorts mean in count. Yeah, I mean in the Count? 22 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:38.400 Yeah, kid cosmic, Yes, that must that must have been it. 23 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:41.799 It's I think it's the initials are GF Is that girlfriend was the show called 24 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:44.959 girlfriend? Yeah? I think you were a supervising producer on the show girls. 25 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:49.599 It was Lumberjack Girlfriend girl. Guys. It was gluten free. Oh 26 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:53.359 yeah, that's right, that's right. That was a healthy show. Yeah. 27 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:59.439 So we previously interviewed you about the season two episode you directed, Scary 28 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:04.400 Okay, about the book you wrote, Dippers and Mabel's Guide to Mystery and 29 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:08.240 Nonstep Run, and about another book you wrote, Gravity Falls, Journal three, 30 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:14.280 establishing a precedent that you write books sometimes. Yeah. I did. 31 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:17.840 For I forced I forced that, forced that precedence onto the world. Yeah. 32 00:02:17.879 --> 00:02:23.080 So you you talked about, had asked you during Journal three if one 33 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:28.439 of the goals in volunteering to work on all these books for the shows you 34 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:31.759 worked on and otherwise such as Onward. Oh yeah, yeah, that's right. 35 00:02:32.199 --> 00:02:38.000 Was to establish yourself as an author, and the answer was yes, 36 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:40.879 to make it night things quickly. The answer is yes, everybody in too 37 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:44.439 much suspense. That way, you don't have to go back and listen to 38 00:02:44.479 --> 00:02:46.639 that episode, but you should. No, I wanted them to backtrack to 39 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:54.439 that episode. Answer was pause and go return to the episode. So you 40 00:02:54.520 --> 00:03:00.719 have just like literally just like last month as this recording. Yes, released 41 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:06.719 your first original book. Yes, it's titled The Horrible Bag of Terrible Things. 42 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:12.599 Two of us read it. One of us listened to Let's see if 43 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:17.319 you can figure out what I know, Shelby. I sent it to Shelby, 44 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:20.400 so I know Shelby read it. I think she did. Unless you 45 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:23.439 just threw the book aside and listened to the audiobook instead. Well, the 46 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:27.960 problem was that something came out of it and kidnapped Shelby's sister. Yeah, 47 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:30.000 it was a whole thing. I saw that video. I still need to 48 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:32.120 post that. When I was waiting for this interview, but oh, I 49 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:36.319 can't wait for people to see It's great. Yes, no, yes, 50 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:40.439 so Charlie, maybe you listened to the audiobooks. Since you are Are you 51 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:45.000 in Europe? Is that correct? Since we last did an episode of this 52 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:47.240 podcast, I moved to Eastern Europe, So yes, I listened to the 53 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:52.280 audiobook. Fantastic book, rob First, let's just get that off the pat. 54 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:54.560 Well, thank you, thank you very much. I received it's that 55 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:59.680 copy from Shelby. After Shelby was finished, they mailed it to me because 56 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:03.919 we're state side. We're both in mary Kaw. We saw the very sweet 57 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:09.560 inscription on the front page of said, to the Mystery Shack, look back 58 00:04:09.639 --> 00:04:13.599 crew, hope this gives you a little of that gravity falls feeling, Robern 59 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:15.439 z Eddie. And you know, I think I think we have to wait 60 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:17.279 till the end of this episode to find out if it does or not. 61 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:23.560 But I have a suspicion the answers, Yes, it had siblings and monsters 62 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:26.560 that checked off two of the boxes right there. Well, there, there 63 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:30.839 you go. But how long has this been in the making? Yeah, 64 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:32.879 aud of this all come to be, I'm very very curious. It's been 65 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:38.519 about five years in the making. Woh golly. I think I look back 66 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:44.639 on my first notes from it and there from twenty seventeen Okay, started kind 67 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:47.519 of jotting down notes in twenty seventeen, but I really started writing it for 68 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:49.720 real at the start of twenty eighteen. In fact, it was my New 69 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:54.759 Year's resolution for twenty eighteen, which was, I'm going to write a version 70 00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:56.839 of this book. Whether it ever sees the light of day or not, 71 00:04:56.920 --> 00:04:59.560 I don't know, but I'm going to try and write a real version of 72 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:02.120 this book because it had been a gold mine to write something original since I'd 73 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:06.240 started writing all the books I did for Disney, right, and honestly before 74 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:13.199 that, I'd have had aspirations to write horror stories kind of for a while 75 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:17.439 now, and I'd written kind of half asked a few short stories and just 76 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:20.279 written versions of them, never submitted them anywhere, but just like kind of 77 00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:25.319 to get warmed up. And were they always like intended for the age range 78 00:05:25.319 --> 00:05:28.240 that this book is, because this is like it's a middle grade sort of 79 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:32.040 No, the stories were more geared towards an adult audience, So none of 80 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:35.519 them are so horrific that I don't think a kid could read them. There's 81 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:39.519 only a few of them that actually got written, and most of them are 82 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:43.800 just like ideas jotted down on paper, and I may return to those someday, 83 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:46.360 but I just after having the experience having kind of written those on the 84 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:49.480 side, just when I had an off minute or something like that while I 85 00:05:49.519 --> 00:05:54.199 was working, you know, and Gravity Falls and stuff before that, when 86 00:05:54.240 --> 00:05:56.720 I got to write the actual Gravity Falls books, that kind of geared me 87 00:05:56.759 --> 00:06:00.480 towards targeting the same kind of audience, the middle grade audience, because this 88 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:03.720 audience I've been writing for my whole career, just been writing in cartoon form. 89 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:08.839 Yeah, so I feel like I have some idea of what that target 90 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:13.879 is. I listened to the audio book with my wife and one of her 91 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:19.040 comments was, I didn't know that horror existed for the middle grade, but 92 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:24.240 I mean, like Goosebumps was huge when we were true. As you mentioned, 93 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:29.279 you have been fascinated with horror since you decided to befriend Frankenstein as a 94 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:30.920 youth. That's right. Yeah, did you read about that? Yeah? 95 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:34.279 No, you told us about that on the podcast. Okay, I wrote 96 00:06:34.279 --> 00:06:39.759 an article about that from the School Library Journal recently, like a little gust 97 00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:44.600 post. But yeah, it's been a recurring facet of your career. The 98 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:46.959 first thing you got on television was MITA in the Count, which was about 99 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:53.360 Count Dracula. I know so many people who still to this day have nightmares 100 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:57.560 about Raggedy Android. Oh yeah, you can't stop with the rag dolls. 101 00:06:57.639 --> 00:07:00.279 Huh No, No, you know that one time. Well, sure, 102 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:02.480 there was supposed to be a third one, right, the suit was going 103 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:05.480 to come back. It was wanted to merge with Jenny permanently, and it 104 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:11.240 was going to drown Brad if she didn't agree. It was a very rough 105 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:13.759 idea. It was just a one page outline and I don't even know where 106 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:17.519 that only exists because horror has been such a facet of your career and you 107 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:23.279 felt comfortable writing it for a middle grade audience. How many R rated horror 108 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:27.839 films did you watch it? And seen it? And Apage's at third age, 109 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:30.800 I wasn't watching too much. I like I told you before. It 110 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:32.480 was a bit of a scaredy cat and it took me a while to kind 111 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:35.959 of transition into horror. But by the time I was a teenager, which 112 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:39.680 I guess Apagee is a teenager. By the time I would be fourteen, 113 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:42.920 like Apagee, I was watching a lot of a lot of horror movies and 114 00:07:42.920 --> 00:07:46.399 stuff, and that just increased as I got older and older, and I'm 115 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:47.360 you know, I'm a huge R fan. Now, I don't know if 116 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:50.360 i'm I might be misattributing this quote or this idea, but I think it 117 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:54.079 might have been Don Bluth or someone who said something along the lines of like 118 00:07:54.920 --> 00:07:59.240 kids can handle, Like like you cant scared of deat of kids, They're 119 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:03.600 fine, Like yeah, it's good for them. I do, I do, 120 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:05.920 I do see what they're saying. You know, I know that on 121 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:07.879 Gravity Falls, you guys talked a lot about how you would pull from like 122 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:13.279 Pinocchio and Dumboat, things that are like legitimately terrifying. Yeah, yeah, 123 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:16.120 yeah, four kids and is Disney Like so when Disney gets on your back 124 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:20.360 about it, you're like, this is you guys, Like, yeah, 125 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:22.720 I mean Disney. I mean the current wave of Disney exacts. There's some 126 00:08:22.759 --> 00:08:28.120 good ones, but the general vibe of the company is is it's none of 127 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:31.759 these people realize the legacy that they're working for. They don't understand where where 128 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:35.120 Disney comes from or what Disney really is. They just look at the High 129 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:37.039 School Musical and think that's the Disney brand. It's like, now, that's 130 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:41.759 that's the bright, shiny part of that Disney brand. Look over there in 131 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:45.200 the corner, look in the shadows, and you'll find like children turning into 132 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:50.600 donkeys. Yeah, exactly, you'll find all the dark that happened in the 133 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:54.600 original features. This book certainly brings to mind Alice in Wonderland, just going 134 00:08:54.639 --> 00:08:58.200 into a hole to a topsy turvy world. Yeah. I wanted to ask 135 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:03.519 what were some of your their influences for the story and the world of Grebog. 136 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:07.080 If the audiobook is pronouncing it correct, that is Grabog is correct. 137 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:11.759 Yes, I'm sure. I hope everything's pronounced in audiobook correctly. I haven't 138 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:15.080 listened to it myself yet. I need to get a copy before we join 139 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:18.440 the call. We discussed. They were like, oh, we don't know 140 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:20.559 how to pronounce them, so we'll have to ask Rob and I'm like, 141 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:24.159 actually, I don't know how to spell them. With our powers combined, 142 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:28.399 we can do it. Also, Wonderland was a huge influence, obviously. 143 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:33.840 The bag itself is a couple of things. The less obvious one is that 144 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:37.799 the title in itself actually comes from my wife, Wow, who has a 145 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:41.200 great away with the turn of phrase and the reason it's called the horrible Bag 146 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:45.960 of Terrible Things is we are pack rats, and lots of paper piles accumulate, 147 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:48.759 and eventually we'll try and clean up the house and do a good job. 148 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:50.720 Sometimes we do a slap dash job and we just throw things into a 149 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:56.759 bag. And so there was a grocery bag full of old phone receipts and 150 00:09:56.120 --> 00:09:58.720 credit card bills and all that, and it was something we didn't want to 151 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:01.559 deal with and it was shoved in the corner and Tracy called it the horrible 152 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:07.399 Bag of terrible Things. I love that so much. So I just love 153 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:09.799 that and latched onto it. But it didn't really there was really nothing behind 154 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:13.480 it for a while. But the other influences I was a huge fan of. 155 00:10:15.840 --> 00:10:18.840 When I was a kid, they showed the nineteen sixties Felix cartoons on 156 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:24.720 a local station and he's got this bag of tricks, which you know, 157 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:28.440 he pulls stuff out of it transforms. It's really I was. I was 158 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:31.320 in love with the Bag of Tricks. I loved that. And you were 159 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:35.519 like, what if the bag of tricks was disgusting? That was trick was 160 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:39.240 a disgusting there was you went inside and there was a horrible world in there. 161 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:41.840 Yeah, the design of the bag that you see on the cover of 162 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:45.799 the book is kind of heavily influenced by Felix's Bag of Tricks. I did 163 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:48.120 notice, and we kind of did a modern version of that on Foster's with 164 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:52.279 Cocoa and her eggs, where she you know, she she had an egg 165 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:56.879 and weird stuff would come out of it, so on the note of you 166 00:10:56.879 --> 00:11:01.960 know, kind of classic cartoon shout outs and and this is like this is 167 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:03.360 later in the book, but it's very minor, so can we can kind 168 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:07.200 of if you feel it's too spoilersh But I did notice there's a theme of 169 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:13.120 like cruelty to animals as musical instruments, which is totally a thing that like 170 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:16.519 Mickey Mouse would like pick up a cat and like yeah, pull on its 171 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:20.120 tail and it would make music, and like he is a menace. Feels 172 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:24.360 like an homage, like it wasn't unconscious homage. But I find that, 173 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:26.159 like when people talk to me about my book, there's things in it that 174 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:31.080 I don't realize I'm pulling from consciously, you know what I mean, because 175 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:35.679 this stuff is so much in my bloodstream and in my thought processes, and 176 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:39.559 it's so ingrained yeah, I don't necessarily have to go like and now I'm 177 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:43.080 going to do this. And then I realized later it's like kind of a 178 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:45.480 reference or someone points it out to me and I'm like, oh, yeah, 179 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:48.279 yeah, you are what you eat applies to your media consumption act. 180 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:50.480 Yes, you are what you eat with your eyeballs and ears too, for 181 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:54.399 sure. But it never feels derivative. It just feels like it's it's another 182 00:11:54.559 --> 00:12:00.279 like part of this like pantheon of of these types of fiction. And you 183 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:01.879 know, it feels like it's it's a guy. Yeah. Yeah, it's 184 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:07.559 already feels like a classic in a way. Thank you, of course. 185 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:11.519 I was. My first thought when I was reading this was Okay, well, 186 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:15.159 when's the animated film coming? But then my second thought was, no, 187 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:20.720 when is the Jim Henson Creature Shop film? Yeah, oh my gosh, 188 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:24.399 yes, this has the Labyrinth vibes. I would love to I mean, 189 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:30.519 obviously I've thought of it as as some sort of film adaptation or mini 190 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:33.879 series adaptation, and I mean a Henson thing would be a dream come true. 191 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:37.639 Yeah, I mean puppets of these characters. I mean I'd also be 192 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:41.559 interested in like taking a pass at it or the people that did Garamo del 193 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:46.600 Toro's Pinocchio, Like, yeah, yeah, I could see. My first 194 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:48.519 thought would be that, like One Year on Earth, it's a it's a 195 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:52.879 it's a two D animation and when you go to Grebaga becomes stop motion. 196 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:58.399 Oh that's similar to the live action stop motion of James and the Giant Peach. 197 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:01.480 Yeah. So if those are the types of movies you like, like 198 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:09.120 Labyrinth, this book is absolutely for you. Absolutely. I mean if you 199 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:15.039 like books like Spiderweight Chronicles and like Coraline those or just spiders in general, 200 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:18.840 spiders in general. Yeah, definitely like your kind of series. And if 201 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:22.159 you don't listen to the end where we say all this, I just want 202 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:24.360 to quick get out there. It's available wherever books are sold. There's an 203 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:28.600 audiobook version on Audible. That's fantastic, Thank you, thank you. Yeah, 204 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:33.279 I know. And another big influence before we move on is an Unfortunate 205 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:37.159 Series of Events was a was a big, big influence on me. I 206 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:39.759 love that was my favorite series growing up. Definitely a lot of the a 207 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:45.279 lot of the pros when you come up with comparison for things kind of brings 208 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:50.000 has a lemony flavor citrusyst. Yeah. Originally I was going to have a 209 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:56.399 more overt narrator character, very much influenced by that series, but it's and 210 00:13:56.440 --> 00:13:58.919 I kind of started writing the book that way, but it kind of fell 211 00:13:58.960 --> 00:14:03.639 out. The audiobook narrator, who is a voice artist named Jay Myers, 212 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:09.200 definitely seems to go with that direction because he does not use his normal voice 213 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:11.360 for the narrator. He puts on a British accent. Yeah. No, 214 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:16.120 I always imagine, well, you know Tim Curry. I listened to audio 215 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:18.879 versions of the Unfortunately, absolutely Tim Curry did most of the ones. He 216 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:24.759 does an amazing job. Violet Baudelaire, the eldest, liked to skip rocks. 217 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:28.960 Like most fourteen year olds, she was right handed, so the rocks 218 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:35.159 skipped farther across the murky water when Violet used her right hand than when she 219 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:37.720 used her left. I didn't want to just use Tim Curry because I didn't 220 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:43.039 want to be such a direct correlation. Sure, but then Apajee had turned 221 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:48.399 thirteen and in the year and a half since she'd been thwarting his schemes instead 222 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:52.799 of helping come up with them, and when she couldn't stop him, she 223 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:56.159 would rat on him. This was one of the guys I was in the 224 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:58.279 round of auditions that Penguin sent to me, and I just he did such 225 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:01.399 a great job with the narrator. He kind of nailed with the characters that 226 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:05.399 they used for the audition section of the book. He just was so much 227 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:07.200 closer in a bil So I was real pleased with him. He's Kreebel though, 228 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:11.679 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Kreebel. I love I love 229 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:15.440 what he did with Krebel. Here is a joke, what is always full 230 00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:20.519 and always empty? But never Wait? Now that is more of a riddle. 231 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:22.679 Well, before we go further, maybe Rob, do you want to 232 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:26.840 give, like, you know, whatever level of synopsis that you are comfortable 233 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:28.440 with, just to sort of contextualize what we're about to go. Oh sure, 234 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:33.279 without giving sure anything away. Yeah, we'll try and keep it as 235 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:35.279 spoiler free as possible. But basically the setup of the book is there's a 236 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:39.720 young eleven year old boy named Zenith Mailstrom. Does that mean the end of 237 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:43.960 the storm? Mailstrom is a storm? So his last name just means storm 238 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:48.960 at his first name as well as Appaty's first name, mean the conclusion climax, 239 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:54.200 Yeah, well means peak The climax, highest point or climax or yeah, 240 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:58.320 the eye of the storm kind of yeah. He's a young boy who's 241 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:02.600 been punished, he believes unfairly at the beginning of the summer. So he's 242 00:16:02.600 --> 00:16:04.200 stuck in the house. His parents are away at work. His older sister 243 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:10.200 Abagee is watching him, which he resents and here's something on the front porch. 244 00:16:10.519 --> 00:16:12.639 The story starts after he opens the door. I don't think anybody even 245 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:17.399 knocks, but he senses that something's happened on the front porch and he discovers 246 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:21.240 this bag, which is this horrible looking bag because it's made of all these 247 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:26.320 disparate animal skins and they're all sewn together with this ragged stitching. It's just 248 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:32.080 a bag full of menace. And he cannot resist it because he is curious, 249 00:16:32.600 --> 00:16:34.840 and he opens it. Nothing seems to be inside, but then he 250 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:38.039 pricks his finger on the bag. A little blood drops into the bag, 251 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:41.879 and that brings the bag to life. In this horrible creature, which is 252 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:47.440 kind of half spider or half hairball, crawls out, escapes into the house 253 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:52.600 and eventually kidnaps his older sister, Apagee and drags her into the bag and 254 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:56.720 Zenith discovers that the bag there's somehow the bag is a portal to another dimension, 255 00:16:57.120 --> 00:17:02.200 to a world called Gribag, which is full of other nasty things, 256 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:06.559 and his sister has been kidnapped for some nefarious purpose which is unclear at first, 257 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:08.680 and he has to make his way through this world try to find where 258 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:12.440 his sister is and save her before she is put to death, or maybe 259 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:17.039 perhaps something worse than death happens to her, another terrible thing in the horrible 260 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:19.240 Bag. Yes, one of the terrible things. A series of unfortunate events, 261 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:22.880 if you will. It is a series of unfortunate events for sure. 262 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:26.839 Yeah, it's spectacular and I love so Apage and Zenith, as you said, 263 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:30.359 are both actual words, not names so much, but they both mean, 264 00:17:30.559 --> 00:17:33.480 you know, the climax of the peak of something, So the names 265 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:37.319 mean the same thing. But I notice, like you know, Zenith feels 266 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:41.920 undervalued and looked down on, and he's at the end of the alphabet, 267 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:44.400 and he sees his sister is all high and mighty, she's at the beginning 268 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:47.119 of the alphabet. So it almost reflects, like, you know, he 269 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:51.279 doesn't think that they are on equal terms, even though their names mean the 270 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:53.480 same thing. So they actually have more in common than he probably thinks, 271 00:17:53.680 --> 00:17:56.759 but there's that sibling dynamic where he doesn't see it that way. Part of 272 00:17:56.799 --> 00:18:00.119 his hang up with his sister is that they used to be much closer a 273 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:03.000 couple of years back. You know, they used to be thick thieves, 274 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:07.880 as Apage put it. Yeah, she has a problem with getting phrases correct. 275 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:11.799 That changed when his sister became a teenager, and he doesn't understand why 276 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:14.960 they've kind of grown apart, and he's kind of resentful of it. I 277 00:18:14.960 --> 00:18:18.519 don't remember if this came up when we're talking about gravity falls, but do 278 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:22.359 you have siblings, Like, is this a grounded thing? It feels like 279 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:26.480 this is written from some experience, and siblings have also obviously cropped up in 280 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:32.480 a lot of your career. Dedi and Dexter, Brad and Tuck. It's 281 00:18:32.519 --> 00:18:37.079 weird because my own experience is that I had two much older brothers. I 282 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:38.880 was a result of my mother's second marriage, and I had two brothers that 283 00:18:38.920 --> 00:18:42.160 were literally more my half brothers, but I never thought of them as that, 284 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:47.279 and they were seven and eleven years older than me, so I basically 285 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:51.279 had other adults in the house which is what Zenith now feels like Apage's pretendants, 286 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:56.079 like he's got another parent because instead of getting you know, partnering him 287 00:18:56.599 --> 00:19:00.319 with him on all his schemes, she's basically calling him out, ran him 288 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:03.799 out, telling his parents Zenith is misbehaving and he doesn't understand why that's happened. 289 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:07.559 A very sort of kids next door view, where once you hit a 290 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:11.839 certain age, you are now an adult. You're on their side. You're 291 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:14.720 not on the kid's side anymore. Right, You know, there's a division, 292 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:17.680 there's like a dividing line, and once you cross it, you know 293 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:21.759 it can't be like how it was or can it or can it? Yeah, 294 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:25.079 well we shall see. There's a great theme that I love of like 295 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:27.599 again not to give too much away, but of just like responsibility and sibling 296 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:32.240 responsibility and like, like you said, like how much do you take on 297 00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:36.200 the role of another parent and how much do you like be by their side 298 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:40.440 as a sibling, And also just when you, as the younger person in 299 00:19:40.480 --> 00:19:42.279 the family, are concerned for an older person in your family, and how 300 00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:47.000 that is not necessarily how it is quote unquote supposed to be. Where it's 301 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:49.039 like you are the one being looked out for, but also you want to 302 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:52.319 look out for the other people. I mean, seeing that does put in 303 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:56.319 the uncomfortable position of getting his sister into trouble and therefore having to get her 304 00:19:56.359 --> 00:20:00.880 out of it. And yeah, Apage is not necessarily willing are wanting to 305 00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:03.880 take help from him, right, because she can't abandon her role as the 306 00:20:03.880 --> 00:20:06.880 older sibling and the protector of him, right even when she's the one who's 307 00:20:06.960 --> 00:20:11.680 in more danger. Whereas it's something that we never really saw on gravity Falls 308 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:15.599 because they are twins and like Mabel is only five minutes older than Dipper, 309 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:22.240 so they were kind of always saving each other and you know, on equal 310 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:25.240 terms in that sense. But when my wife and I started the book, 311 00:20:25.359 --> 00:20:30.079 she said, is it weird I'm picturing Dexter. Indeed, I don't suppose 312 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:33.440 it is, but you know, all these things are influences. Dexter is 313 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:37.119 obviously not a lot of people know that, but Dexter and Dede's relationship is 314 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:42.799 kind of modeled on my relationship with Gendy's girlfriend at the time. So Dexter 315 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:48.319 is just you because it's also based on the voice you did for your answering 316 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:52.079 machine when you weremates. I was the first voice of Dexter, and yeah, 317 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:56.440 I mean wow. I eventually I came to reconcile with his girlfriend, 318 00:20:56.480 --> 00:21:00.440 Laurie, and she's actually a lovely She was a lovely woman at the time 319 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:03.920 I was. She was always poking around your room asking what various buttons do 320 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:10.400 exactly. No, she was a very bright, cheery young woman who Gandy 321 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:12.640 hooked up with when we were at cal Arts and they dated for a few 322 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:17.359 years, both at cal Arts and afterwards. And I was jealous. I 323 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:21.759 was resentful that this girl come and taking my best friend away because Gendy and 324 00:21:21.799 --> 00:21:25.200 I were thick, and all of a sudden, you were spending all this 325 00:21:25.279 --> 00:21:27.279 time over at her place, and I was abandoned and I felt it, 326 00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:33.039 so I was. I did not like her, and I was very This 327 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:34.559 is another tidbit that I don't know. I think I might have talked about 328 00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:37.759 this once or twice before. But there's an episode that has a photo of 329 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:44.119 Deity and Dexter where Dexter is recoiling as Deedie sticks her tongue out with food 330 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:51.440 on it, and that is actually based on a photo of me and Lauriel's 331 00:21:51.519 --> 00:21:56.720 amazing where I'm just looking at her with total disdain as she's laughing with her 332 00:21:56.759 --> 00:22:00.319 mouthful of food. That's amazing. Are you an inventor? Then no, 333 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:07.319 I have no scientific ability whatsoever because they noticed a technological inspiration and intuitiveness is 334 00:22:07.359 --> 00:22:14.079 also an aspect of Zenith's character. Sure, that's all myth. I have 335 00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:18.319 no technological availability, like it took me a good thirty years to learn how 336 00:22:18.319 --> 00:22:25.319 to wield a hammer. Correctly, I hated science in school. He does 337 00:22:25.359 --> 00:22:29.079 do a chemistry experiment before the first book begins, that that's what lands him 338 00:22:29.079 --> 00:22:33.920 in trouble. The spring semester had ended with a literal bang, when Zenis's 339 00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:41.839 enthusiasm for chemistry had inspired a kitchen experiment with explosive results. Zenith argued that 340 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:48.759 his extracurricular project displayed initiative and intellectual curiosity, admirable traits that should be encouraged, 341 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:52.960 if not rewarded. Nah I was curious about how the process of making 342 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:57.400 an original book compared to the process of doing the Gravity Falls Books and the 343 00:22:57.720 --> 00:23:03.960 Quests of Your Onward Book for Disney, as far as basing it on existing 344 00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:08.079 characters and worlds versus creating yours whole cloth, and in this case, multiple 345 00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:12.319 different cloth all together in a Horrible Bag. Well, I mean, obviously, 346 00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:17.119 the influencers are much more direct when you're working with an existing property. 347 00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:19.400 You know, in the Gravity Falls books, we had the characters in Journal 348 00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:22.880 and three, we had some of the pages for the Ducktails book and the 349 00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:27.240 Onward book. I was referencing and kind of retelling the stories that were already 350 00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:30.960 done and just adding to them and taking things from a different angle and all 351 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:33.519 that kind of stuff. So, you know, in terms of coming up 352 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:37.599 with stuff, it just was kind of like what came into my head and 353 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:38.839 what part of it. Like what I said with the Horrible Bag, the 354 00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:42.160 first thing I had was the title, and I really didn't know what the 355 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:45.720 title meant for a while, and then I figured out that there was something 356 00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:48.400 inside of it and that there was going to be an adventure inside of the 357 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:52.720 book, and from there I kind of just kind of extrapolated forward and kind 358 00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:56.920 of it's a lot of thought experiments and just writing down ideas and writing them 359 00:23:56.960 --> 00:24:02.640 down with no order or no ranking or no primacy or whatever. I like 360 00:24:02.680 --> 00:24:06.559 to use question marks at the end of everything because it makes it feel like 361 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:10.880 it's not necessary and that if I write something stupid down, it's okay because 362 00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:14.240 I may not end up using that stupid idea. Yeah, not set in 363 00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:18.160 stone, nothing set in stone, and everything's everything's up for grabs. So 364 00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:19.720 I mean I do that as I'm writing through the book as well, like 365 00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:23.400 a benually, I'm kind of a there's always this thing in writing where you're 366 00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:27.319 are you a pants or a plotter? And I'm mostly a plotter, you 367 00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:30.759 know. I don't like just start at the beginning and wonder where the book's 368 00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:33.880 going to go. Like I knew what the whole plot of the first book 369 00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:37.000 was before I wrote it, but as I go along, I don't know 370 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:41.240 all the details. And that's where kind of like inspiration and intuition takes you. 371 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:44.960 And as I'm writing the book, I do. I do kind of 372 00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:47.240 write it from front to back for the most part, at least the first 373 00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:48.799 time through, and as I'm going as new things occur to me, I 374 00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:53.519 throw notes in ahead of the stuff that's actually written out and just like write 375 00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:56.799 new questions in there, or when I come up with something but I know 376 00:24:56.839 --> 00:25:00.799 how it's written, I just write the idea there. So like this is 377 00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:03.680 where you're heading right now? Yeah, this is where this is makes sense 378 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:06.440 to you. You just kind of go in a straight line first, and 379 00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:08.559 then when you're done you can go back and weave set up and pay off 380 00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:11.880 and things. Once I knew that I'm going to go to an alternate world, 381 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:15.400 there's like then you know there's influences like als in Wonderland and stuff that 382 00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:18.720 comes into it. Yeah, you know those kind of things. All of 383 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:21.720 a sudden, that's a touchstone for me. Yeah. In the second book, 384 00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:26.079 which is going to be out next year, the Twisted Tower of Endless 385 00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:30.119 Torment is the title of that book. Okay, is that another tracyism? 386 00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:33.799 No? That was she did come up with part of that. She's the 387 00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:37.960 one who came up with twisted. There's a tower that's called Eternity Tower, 388 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:41.160 which factors into the book, And we were trying to come up with the 389 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:44.759 title for the second book, and she's the one who came up with twisted 390 00:25:44.839 --> 00:25:47.680 for the adjective in front of tower, which I liked quite a bit. 391 00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:51.079 Were you always wanting to do? Was this ever going to be a standalone 392 00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:52.920 book? When I first thought of it, I thought of it as one 393 00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:56.920 book, but the ending always lent itself to more books. And my literary 394 00:25:56.920 --> 00:26:00.079 agent asked me very early in the problem, like do you see this as 395 00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:03.279 one book or three? And I said, I think it could be a 396 00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:07.680 trilogy, and he said, so when we go out, in addition to 397 00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:11.519 the first book, I want you to write a page for what the second 398 00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:14.440 book would be, in a paragraph of what the third book would be, 399 00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:18.319 so they could see the whole trilogy. So yeah, at that point it 400 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:21.359 was a trilogy. I don't honestly remember how the first book might have ended. 401 00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:22.839 Where I thought it would just be the end. The way the first 402 00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:26.039 book ends was from a very early standpoint was where I was heading. So 403 00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:30.119 yeah, I knew I wanted the conventure to continue, because the adventure is 404 00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:33.880 kind of it ends, but it doesn't. And I knew there were at 405 00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:37.079 least two more stories left to tell, So the second book. I just 406 00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:41.160 saw the second book in PDF form, which is where it first starts to 407 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:45.480 look like its final version. Pretty darn fine, and that's what I always 408 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:52.000 say, PDAs And I just did my last big changes on that, and 409 00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:55.359 I'm starting to write the third book now, can't wait on your note of 410 00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:57.000 like question marks in your own notes. And again, you know there's a 411 00:26:57.039 --> 00:27:00.960 thing we observed in Gravity Falls as well, but like leaving questions that even 412 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:04.319 the characters aren't really sure what the answers are, and then then it leaves 413 00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:10.359 the readers kind of wondering about it too, And especially for something supernatural and 414 00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:15.759 mysterious, it's nice to to not close every door, even if you don't 415 00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:18.880 have a sequel plan for sure. It's just it's going to be really interesting 416 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:22.319 to see how you raise the stakes, because like it feels like where it 417 00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:26.400 ends is at a pretty like high stake, and so it's just going to 418 00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:32.680 be really interesting to see the zenith of the story or perchance the appaja. 419 00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:36.839 Those who have seen the second book have said they didn't see where it was 420 00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:41.680 going, So I hope you will all be surprised by what happens. The 421 00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:45.400 thing I was getting towards with Alice in Wonderland without blowing anything, is there's 422 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:48.119 a courtroom scene in the second book which is one of my favorite parts of 423 00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:52.079 the book, and that was very okay, very much influenced by the you 424 00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:56.039 know, Alice on trial. I mean, it's and it's an inherently interesting 425 00:27:56.079 --> 00:28:00.160 concept of like we think of the courts as such a rigid logical thing and 426 00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:03.759 then put that in a world that does not make any sense, and you 427 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:07.359 know also happened in Gravity Falls. That's true. Yeah, Judge Kitty Kdding 428 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:12.400 Mesh Schwarztein. Yes, Unfortunately that judge will not be presiding. Nah, 429 00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:17.720 he doesn't have jurisdiction in Gribog, does It'll be John Stewart out of character. 430 00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:22.079 He turns out he lives in Griboc, He's from Garbog. Yeah. 431 00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:25.480 Actually John Stewart could do a pretty good job of the one who's in charge 432 00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:29.440 of the inquisitor, who is very briefly mentioned in book one. That's right. 433 00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:32.839 Yes, I was wondering if that of like, oh, yeah, 434 00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:34.640 I wonder there are a few things that I see did in book one that 435 00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:37.920 actually come to fruition in book two. Yeah. That kind of ties in 436 00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:42.839 with a question of mine. Certainly. A staple of the Alice in Wonderland 437 00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:48.599 Wizard of Oz type book is they meet this character, then they meet this 438 00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:53.680 character, which gave you a lot of freedom to just put in the weirdest 439 00:28:53.799 --> 00:29:00.119 malarkey you could come up with. Tell us about some of those characters they 440 00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:03.400 meet and and what it was like writing them, and if there were any 441 00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:10.079 particular inspirations or things you had in mind. I know certainly, what I 442 00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:12.839 would guess is your favorite amongst them is Kreebel. Yeah, Kriebel is my 443 00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:18.839 favorite character. She's a gargoyle who Zenith meets relatively early in his adventures, 444 00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:25.240 and she's knowledgeable. She understands English as English was called in Gribog because it 445 00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:30.039 comes originally from Angleland. She's wise of she knows all about Grabog. She 446 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:34.799 frustrating, though she's frustrating literal she doesn't understand English, but she doesn't understand 447 00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:40.920 metaphor or simile so any so sort of an accuracy overtact for sure, which 448 00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:45.000 is a problem of mine definitely. But I, unlike Kreeble, I love 449 00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:49.759 to use old time crazy phrases that are way out we do know most most 450 00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:56.240 people don't understand today. So Krieble is kind of my way of poking fun 451 00:29:56.240 --> 00:30:00.799 at myself and also having a character that's the direct opposite of you, who 452 00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:04.079 never uses a metaphorical phrase and doesn't understand what you're talking about when you use 453 00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:07.519 one. So I assume you don't eat grits. I was about to say, 454 00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:11.559 you don't, you don't partake I do not. You know, I've 455 00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:14.359 got my own disgusting habits, but they won't be discussed here. But yeah, 456 00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:18.359 creble, Gargols and grebag enjoy ear wax, which they call grits. 457 00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:22.119 So yeah, I know, isn't that great. That's the proper reaction, 458 00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:26.319 Charlie. I always want a little bit of gross out humor for it, 459 00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:30.359 because I think kid middle of grade kids love that kind of stuff. And 460 00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:32.960 I know, I think that's also that's part of the heart, because they're 461 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:36.720 like, even getting into the bag is like pricking your finger. You have 462 00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:40.400 to like bleed into the bag for it to open. Yes, And there 463 00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:44.640 are three characters that act as like the gatekeepers. They're kind of inspired by 464 00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:48.240 the witches from Macbeth. Ah gotcha. Yeah, Zenith calls them the foul 465 00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:51.319 Mouths. Once he gets into the bag, the bag all of a sudden 466 00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:56.880 gets larger illogically, so that he's kind of in like this cave slash chapel 467 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.359 sized space, which is the bag enlarged, and the scene that's running down 468 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:04.279 the bottom of the bag has three gaps in it, and those gaps speak 469 00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:08.079 to him. They are living creatures, and they liked the taste of the 470 00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:11.079 drop of blood that he dropped into the bag, in fact, must be 471 00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:15.920 blood. They want more blood from him in order to let him pass, 472 00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:18.440 and I will leave it to the reader to figure out how he gets past 473 00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:22.599 them without giving them his blood. But Disney, BS and b would have 474 00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:26.039 hated that. It's jam I mean, yeah, that's the freedom of writing 475 00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:29.119 a book. There's lots of things that I was able to get away with 476 00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:32.839 that broadcast standerds and practices probably wouldn't let go. But yeah, there's a 477 00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:36.720 lot of soft body horror. Like everybody that Zenith meets in the first book 478 00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:40.000 wants some part of him, some physical part of him. Yeah, that's 479 00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:41.599 true. I didn't think about that. Yeah, it is a connecting theme. 480 00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:47.440 The Mouths wants his blood, Preebele wants his ear grits. Albert also 481 00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:49.519 wants a part of him. Albert, I mean, Albert might be my 482 00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:53.160 favorite character. And again, without giving too much away, yeah, yeah, 483 00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:56.880 no, there's another raggedy character that horrible back called Raggedy Albert, who 484 00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:01.119 is a living a ragdolf, a foot all living rag doll. Suffices to 485 00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:07.680 say Raggedy Albert wants Zenith become his friend, and but his definition of friendship 486 00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:12.519 is is not so friendly. Let's say when that character speaks, uh, 487 00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:19.200 gravity Falls fans out there, it activated my sleeper agent cipher brand. But 488 00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:22.640 it was like I didn't even have to decode it. I could like read 489 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:24.759 it. That's how gravity Falls brained, I am for you. I could 490 00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:30.960 just in the audio book. Yeah, he's just unfortunately he just mumbles nonsense 491 00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:35.359 in the audiobook, there's no way to translate with his mouth. Undone. 492 00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:39.440 Albert spoke in a much calmer manner, but the noises he made was still 493 00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:52.200 incomprehensible to Zenith. O phew, kof. But Creeble is there to helpfully 494 00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:59.480 translate for Zenith and the reader left at him. Kriebel explained what cipher was 495 00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:01.400 it? Well, I guess I won't give it away for you gravity Falls 496 00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:04.880 fans if we're going to pick up this book. It's one of the easier 497 00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:07.720 codes. It's not meant to be too tough. Okay, Yeah, it's 498 00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.240 simple enough that I think it was its recognizable on site as one of those 499 00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:14.440 iphers, and I think anybody who's not familiar can figure it out pretty quickly. 500 00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:17.119 I mean, was that you kind of like shouting that out yes, 501 00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:20.480 So it was meant to be a nod to all the Gravity Falls fans. 502 00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:23.880 Because I'm I'm not big into codes. Hersh introduced me to all this code 503 00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:29.400 stuff. What is your obsession with scary ragdoll's? You know that goes back 504 00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:31.519 to my childhood as well. Like, one of the few things in my 505 00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:37.759 childhood house that was from my mother's childhood was two of the old Raggedy and 506 00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:40.160 an Andy books. She had like two of the books that were printed in 507 00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:44.680 the nineteen thirties. She was born in thirty two, and she had gotten 508 00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:49.599 these books from her grandma or her parents or stuff, and so they were 509 00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:52.079 her childhood books. And they were out like in the bottom of this like 510 00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:54.960 side table to this couch that we had in the front room, and every 511 00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:58.480 once in a while I would just look at them, and I was just 512 00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:01.960 fascinated by the arts. And I thought Raggedy Ann and Andy were both very 513 00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:07.119 appealing and very creepy. Yeah. I think in a film adaptation, Albert 514 00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:10.920 should be too d animated on ones like it's Richard Williams doing the uh the 515 00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:16.159 Raggedy Ann movie, yeah, which gave a lot of people nightmares as well. 516 00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:22.039 Talking about Pinocchio and Raggedy Android. And also I've recently discovered that there's 517 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:25.360 an old Fleischer short. They did a one short with Raggedy Ann and Andy 518 00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:31.360 as well, and very very faithfully translated into into animation, just like the 519 00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:34.760 Richard Williams. I do love that the code is in there, because, 520 00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:39.320 like what we praised about Dippers and Mabel's Guide, it inducts kids into that 521 00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:43.639 world of like decoding of like it's not really spelling it out for you, 522 00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:45.280 but if you notice that it's there and you decoded, it's like, oh, 523 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:51.320 that is that phrase in a code, and then it's it's you're along 524 00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:54.679 for the ride. You feel like you're an active, like participant in Zenith's 525 00:34:55.119 --> 00:35:00.480 adventure. And I think that's awesome. I really like the way you turn 526 00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:05.480 the Raggedy Idea even more twisted than it already was. So it's like when 527 00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:07.880 you go back and read it, it's like, oh my gosh, yeah 528 00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:09.960 yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well thank you that yeah, that 529 00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:13.119 would be something we don't want to talk about, but yeah, there is 530 00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:14.679 a twist of things. No no, no, no, no, no, 531 00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:17.079 just a little taste of like once you go back, you're like, 532 00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:21.679 oh my gosh, well, you know, because everything's in a bag. 533 00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:24.920 The you know, drawing on like tailorine and costumine and all that kind of 534 00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:29.599 stuff was a big yeah. Especially in the first book. It's there's less 535 00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:30.760 of that in the second book. I had you got those thoughts out of 536 00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:32.960 your head, because I'd be really scared for you if you had to keep 537 00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:38.519 them in without getting them out somehow, without exercising them. It's good therapy. 538 00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:46.960 He could use the memory gun. But my personal favorites were the Bird 539 00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:52.239 Brothers. Oh yeah, yeah, I liked them a lot too, And 540 00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:57.079 I didn't understand what I was going to do with Hugh until I got to 541 00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:00.679 that part of the book. Loyalties shift a lot in the book, and 542 00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:05.440 his loyalty shift in a way that delighted you that I didn't really understand until 543 00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:08.360 I got there. I said while listening to it with my wife that when 544 00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:13.159 this gets a fandom, the sexy artwork is all going to be of Hugh 545 00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:17.679 Tumbler, sexy man Hugh Really, Okay, I didn't. I Well, 546 00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:22.280 you gotta hear it with the voice that that yeah, yeah, yeah, 547 00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:27.280 because he gives Munsey this kind of Gandolf impression. That's a little Richard Nixon 548 00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:30.719 a slow down and hold on, slow down and hold on, and then 549 00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:37.000 he does this kind of uh more swashbuckling yeah, swashbuckler voice for yeah, 550 00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:42.000 A pleasure to meet you. He bowed his head. I am the seeker 551 00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:46.920 of gribag, collector of knowledge, but everybody calls me Hugh. The bird 552 00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:52.639 lifted his head, tilted it at zenith and waited, don't be rude, 553 00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:55.519 Furman, introduce yourself. Gotcha? Yeah again. I've only heard snippets of 554 00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:59.039 these characters just a little bit, so I'm looking forward to listening to the 555 00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:01.480 audiobook version of MYLF. I have to actually reach out to the audiobook people. 556 00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:06.920 I've had it on hold on libby the library app, but it's not 557 00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:08.360 available yet. I'm just waiting for it to show up so I can. 558 00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:12.599 You're like, you're like, don't you know who I am? Yeah? 559 00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:16.559 Shouldn't I be? Now? Knowing how influenced by a series of unfortunate events 560 00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:21.159 audiobooks like, I'm going to need to listen to it because that Tim Curry 561 00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:24.760 reading was my everything. The direction I gave for my narrator was basically like 562 00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:29.199 he is very closely aligned with Zenith because he's in his thoughts, but he's 563 00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:32.159 also enjoying the torture that Zenith is going under a little bit as well. 564 00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:39.199 Old Zenith's friends were laughing. Even Appa was laughing. I picture you as 565 00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:45.480 like the bugs bunny making the cartoon and Zenith the daffy. For sure, 566 00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:49.800 this torment you're just like, Ain't I a stinker? You have to love 567 00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:52.079 your characters and but also be willing to make them suffer. Oh of course, 568 00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:55.000 of course that's how they earn a happy ending. I mean, yes, 569 00:37:55.039 --> 00:38:00.000 it's idea. And to go back to your initial inscription on the book 570 00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:06.199 page for us of giving that gravity Falls feeling, it absolutely succeed like without 571 00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:08.239 a doll Like, if you are a fan of Gravity Falls at all, 572 00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:13.800 in any stretch, you will guarantee love this book. And it scratches that 573 00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:17.039 it's so much that I'm already like kind of theory crafting without even realizing it. 574 00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:20.960 And there's things that I don't really want to get into because it would 575 00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:23.280 be spoilers, but I so like I'm getting I'm building a new wing of 576 00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:28.079 the Hall of Conspiracies, just for all the bag I mean, I guess 577 00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:30.360 to hint at it without giving anything away of like what I was thinking about, 578 00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:34.440 anytime there is, as Charlie put it earlier, like in an Isikai 579 00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:38.400 sort of way, anytime there's a parallel dimension of reality to Earth with humans, 580 00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:43.920 Like, I'm always curious of are the denizens of this reality? You 581 00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:46.400 know, to what extent are they aware of humans and Earth? And if 582 00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:49.840 we on our side are not really aware of this world, what do they 583 00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:52.000 know about us? And then what does that mean about them? I'm always 584 00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:57.760 looking for those little nuggets or are grits if you will, I think there's 585 00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:02.440 plenty of grits for people who are are interested in theorizing about that kind of 586 00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:05.719 thing. Oh, I will leave you to your theories. Thank you, 587 00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:08.199 thank you. I enjoy them. I enjoy them quite a bit. And 588 00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:13.800 I think they enjoyed this book. And there's just so much visceral stuff where 589 00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:15.639 I was like, like reading it, I was like, you know, 590 00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:19.679 if I were saying it, like if I were a kid reading this, 591 00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:22.119 I would be very scared. But then I'm also an adult reading this, 592 00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:25.239 and I am very scared, So I'm glad to hear it. Maybe I 593 00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:30.400 just scare easily, or maybe it's it's really effective horror at any age. 594 00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:32.519 I think this would have been formative to me if I had read this as 595 00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:36.360 a kid, because, like as I said, Spiderwick and a Series of 596 00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:39.159 Unfortunate Events were my favorite books. This would have fit right in formative to 597 00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:42.679 me. Right now, my brain's not done developing yet. It can still 598 00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:46.679 be formative. Oh mine's too old now. I'm just like she's brain is 599 00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:52.360 rotting. My brain is robbing as we saw me. I'm sorry. In 600 00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:55.239 the bag, yeah, into the bag with me? Is the receipt paper 601 00:39:55.280 --> 00:40:00.039 in the in the horrible bag like in the real in the corner. I 602 00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:01.920 don't know. That's the final boss in the third book, don't spoil it. 603 00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:07.519 Hell does the Horrible Bag in real life still exist? No? I 604 00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:10.559 don't. I think we disposed of that bag. It's had it's offspring, 605 00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:13.840 believe, I don't know. There might be one on the way to you. 606 00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:16.840 As soon as I finished sewing. That would be how many creatures did 607 00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:21.679 you skin just the one? How many? How many different types of skin 608 00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:24.599 did it have? So this is a cosplay bag, so like I had 609 00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:29.159 to diet a whole bunch of different colors. I haven't heard anything of this 610 00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:31.679 video you sent rock. Yeah, I didn't know that. It's just like 611 00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:37.480 just like a little thirty second video me getting pulled into a bag of horrible 612 00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:40.480 things by a little guy. Any any praise that people have said about gravity 613 00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:44.840 falls or any of these other sort of things in this genre, I think 614 00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:47.440 could be applied to this and more. I mean very especially if you liked 615 00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:52.760 the ghost pages of Journal three because rob Yeah, and it's got a bunch 616 00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:57.480 of fun little horror nots for the kids. Yeah, thank you. Even 617 00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:00.159 threw in a talking robot for the kids. Yeah, actually there's no robots. 618 00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:05.400 I had a robot character. Although speaking of speaking of talking robots for 619 00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:10.840 the kids, your best known original creation likely is experiencing an anniversary at the 620 00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:15.880 moment. Yeah it is. Yeah, it's the twentieth anniversary of the premiere 621 00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:17.559 of my life as a teenage Robot. It's amazing you celebrate. I am 622 00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:22.840 writing a new story, teenage Robot story through my newsletter. I'm releasing it 623 00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:27.199 through my newsletter in chapters. It's a little bit of a serialized story with 624 00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:30.800 Jenny and everybody else from Teenage Robot. And if you go to my website, 625 00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:32.920 rob Ernzeeddi dot com and you go to the newsletter page and you sign 626 00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:37.480 up. You will get to read a new teenage Robot story. And we 627 00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:40.760 did just read it. We did. Yeah, read the first three chapter. 628 00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:44.400 Ah, well, very good, thank you. I'm glad to hear 629 00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:46.599 you, guys. And it feels, you know, it feels like like, 630 00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:50.119 you know, like I never left the time as it passed. Well, 631 00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:52.840 yeah, but thank you, I hope. So it's it was a 632 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:57.159 little bit daunting to come back to these characters after so long of a break, 633 00:41:57.239 --> 00:41:59.840 I imagine. Yeah, the legacy that they have. I love all 634 00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:05.480 the little turns of phrase with Mother Earth and the Earth's Sun. Hell yeah, 635 00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.559 thank you. Yeah again. I kind of know where I'm going with 636 00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:12.880 that. I know how the first story will end, but getting there is 637 00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:15.599 a full of surprises as well. Actually, the stories kind of expanding as 638 00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:19.320 are writed. In terms of the number of chapters. I think there's going 639 00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:22.159 to be so awesome. If you sign up late, you can always link 640 00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:24.079 back to the earlier chapters. There's a link at the top of the new 641 00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:29.639 chapter to read the previous All of them out thus far will be in the 642 00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:32.280 newsletter archivry. Yes, and on the about section of your site. I 643 00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:37.639 noticed at the very bottom you have a link to this very podcast I do. 644 00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:44.360 Made me really happy to see. Well, I love talking with you 645 00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:46.760 guys about the gravity Fall stuff. I've always felt that you're kind of a 646 00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:51.599 fourth curator, Like, oh, that's very kind of you. You did 647 00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:53.400 show up a lot, you did the Patreon shout outs with me. You 648 00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:59.480 are like the last bit of dialogue in the last proper episode of the podcast. 649 00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:07.400 True yes, the thing saying it's a limping And you have done so 650 00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:15.599 much for this podcast, retweeting every single episode and and helping us badger potential 651 00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:17.960 perspective guests. Only it's only right that we help you, uh, you 652 00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:22.480 know, get the word out about this awesome original novel and what you finished 653 00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:24.639 buying and reading the Horrible Bag of Terrible Things. You can log onto the 654 00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:30.440 newsletter and read about the further adventures of Jenny the teenage Robot. Yeah, 655 00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:32.199 thank you, thank you so much for got for having me so many times 656 00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:36.719 and talking with me about so many things. It's been a pleasure every time. 657 00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:39.880 And I certainly so many horrible things, so many horrible, horrible and 658 00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:45.679 terrible things. Terrible thing. Yeah, I thank you for coming back and 659 00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:50.639 doing this special episode of the Yeah you know, on a on a subject 660 00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:54.679 that has you know, it is very tangentially connected to gravity We've done you, 661 00:43:54.800 --> 00:44:00.519 We've done more tangential topics on this podcast before. It's honest be pretty 662 00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:04.599 related. Well good, Well then I'm glad. I'm glad to be talking 663 00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:07.880 to you guys again. And the Gravity Falls fans gotta know the people who 664 00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:15.960 enjoy the reveal of three separate journals, or enjoy the design of the FBI's 665 00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:20.199 card. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah journal three, that that that 666 00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:23.960 creator is out there and doing something amazing and original. Well thank you. 667 00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:28.000 Yeah. I mean, I hope the fans of Gravity Falls will find this 668 00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:30.480 book because I think they will enjoy it. Yeah. I mean, especially 669 00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:35.440 in an age where like most you know, fiction named at young kids, 670 00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:39.400 like I feel like there's not much of this now, of this type of 671 00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:44.320 things all about hya these days. Uh yeah, no, I feel like 672 00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:47.280 it feels it feels it feels like it feels it feels a niche that you 673 00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:52.280 know is under certain Yeah. So absolutely, I want kids to have something 674 00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:54.000 scary to read this Halloween. Oh yeah, that's true. I didn't think 675 00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:58.000 about the season. Yeah no, that's a you know they bring them, 676 00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:00.679 they're bringing them out in summer to kind of get them r revved up and 677 00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:02.239 warmed up and make people aware. And then like, you know, that 678 00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:06.400 don't make sense. I know people have got it. They're seeing it in 679 00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:09.119 their bookstore and thinking like this sounds this is good for Halloween. I'm gonna 680 00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:13.199 buy like one hundred copies. And then on Halloween when trick or treaters come 681 00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:15.239 and be like, I don't have candy, but I have something even better. 682 00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:21.280 Some would say wow. And as Rob said, Halloween is coming up. 683 00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:24.400 So we will be releasing the last three episodes of garden Wall. Recall 684 00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:28.440 they have been recorded for a year, but I moved across the world. 685 00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:32.639 Yeah, we just got busy with late but I edited this podcast. You 686 00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:37.559 can hire me to edit other podcasts. Yeah, email me at voice at 687 00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:45.000 Charliemarlow dot com. That's voices in mouthed sounds and that's Charlie c h A 688 00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:49.800 r l E Y m A r l o w E even seven to seven 689 00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:53.800 letters. You can find our other discussions with Rob and our entire coverage of 690 00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:58.079 gravity falls. We covered the whole dang thing. We covered all of gluten 691 00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:02.800 free sometimes sometimes I remember because when we started the podcast, I was like, 692 00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:07.480 We're never gonna be able to say Bill Seifer, like this is gonna 693 00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:12.960 take I think about the fact that we did that, We did all fifty 694 00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:15.760 two episodes in a year, and I'm like, how did how did they 695 00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:22.000 manage? Yeah? Could? I couldn't do it twice. No, we 696 00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:29.599 don't have to because it is all available at pipe dream Podcasts dot com com, 697 00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:35.599 as well as other podcasts that we're also on, like pod Made You 698 00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:40.079 Special and I'm gonna be on an upcoming episode of Escape from Vault Disney. 699 00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:45.519 Oh cool. We might do a listener mail episode at some point after we 700 00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:50.840 finished releasing the Garden Wall Recall, So if you have anything you would like 701 00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:53.719 to say to us about gravity falls over the Garden Wall, horble Bag of 702 00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:59.119 Terrible Things, Phantom of the Paradise, Yes please, or just I don't 703 00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:01.039 know your day. A lot of emails that we're sitting on now for for 704 00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:06.360 the episode, but we also, you know, welcome any new ones at 705 00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:09.119 Mystery Shack look back at gmail dot com. So I've got a website, 706 00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:14.360 Shelbysessler dot com. It's got all my vo some of my costume work on 707 00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:20.199 it. My awful X, I hate X. I hate that they've changed 708 00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:22.519 the name to X. My use it. Just go just say Twitter. 709 00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:28.199 Everybody knows it's Twitter, my horrible ex, horrible X of terrible musk. 710 00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:34.920 Yes, yes, yes, My My Twitter is Shelby Sessler. My Instagram 711 00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:38.920 is Shelby Sessler. My TikTok is Shelby Sessler. My YouTube is shelbeanie v 712 00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:44.159 O. So that's where you can find some of my work. Love collaborating 713 00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:47.079 with some of my favorite people on here. So you can find stuff that 714 00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:53.039 I do pretty frequently. Yeah, and you can find my ex still misses 715 00:47:53.119 --> 00:48:00.760 me, but getting ram is getting Twitter. Yeah. My Twitter and Instagram 716 00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:05.320 are at drawn without ref You can find my art and my other all the 717 00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:08.320 other things I've been doing lately other than visual art and animation. You can 718 00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:13.480 find some of the music that I do at Lichsri dot bandcamp dot com. 719 00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:17.639 Thank you Kyle Caroza for that, cadence. My website is LSSRI dot weeble 720 00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:22.760 dot com. That's e l l a c e s a r I dot 721 00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:28.639 w e e b l y dot com. It's dot com. You can 722 00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:32.639 also check out my latest podcasting venture that being the Matrix Reclamations, which I'm 723 00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:37.960 doing with good friend Hope Lichner of high On Cartoons aka duc takes on that 724 00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:44.440 podcast for basically going through any topic at all related to the Matrix franchise, 725 00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:49.199 bringing it back to its transgender roots. You can check it out on Zencaster 726 00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:52.079 or anywhere you get your podcasts, and find it on the socials at Matrix 727 00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:58.760 Queer Pod on Twitter and Instagram. Also, your curators recently collaborated on a 728 00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:02.719 project on my channel that I am immensely proud of. It is called Well 729 00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:07.440 Abridged Me Princess. It is and a bridge series of the old Zelda cartoon. 730 00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:10.000 But I don't really care what happens to the old Zelda cartoons, so 731 00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:14.000 it's sort of just me saying what would I do if I had an adult 732 00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:17.119 swim show. Ella and I write a lot of it, Shelby and I 733 00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:21.119 voice a lot of it. I think if you like our sense of humor, 734 00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:22.880 you would enjoy it. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed what I saw. 735 00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:27.800 Thank you. We also have a We do have a merch store at 736 00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:32.480 I Believes Mystery Shack lookback dot crowdmaid dot com at crowdmaid dot com, slash 737 00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:36.159 mystery Shack. Look one of those, one of those things. Just look 738 00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:40.079 up crowdmade mystery Shack look back and you'll find shirts and things with our faces 739 00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:44.639 on them, cartoon faces. My big thing is rob bernzeeddi dot com. 740 00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:46.840 There's links to my Twitter, which is just at rob Berunzetti, and my 741 00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:51.400 Instagram, which I never have memorized, which is mostly my name but with 742 00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:53.639 a weird dash in the middle of it or something. I don't know. 743 00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:57.760 I'm not on Instagram nearly as much as I'm on Twitter. I'm on Twitter 744 00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:00.199 all the time. But yeah, you got a song to play us out? 745 00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:02.760 I mean I will, But those, Charlie, those are added in 746 00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:07.719 post. Do you see. No, I'm trying to fabricate an illusion. 747 00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:09.159 The listeners don't have to know about that. Well, you know what. 748 00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:13.960 Welcome to the real world, listeners. Time to shatter your illusions, your 749 00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:19.440 preconceptions. This is all fake. Podcasts aren't real. We're kind of all 750 00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:23.239 puppets. Someone's controlling. I think I've been pulled through that horrible bag where 751 00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:30.000 there's gargoyles and big dolls of ragsss and terrible things that all zig zag What 752 00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:37.239 an awful twist that my sister's lost in grub bug Ah there you are, 753 00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:40.480 who have you found any new details for me to record? As a matter 754 00:50:40.519 --> 00:50:45.599 of fact, brother, I've acquired the names of several contributors to something called 755 00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:52.199 a pay tron. How peculiar. Now let us list them so the scribe 756 00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:58.440 may increase the knowledge of the collectory. But I'll begin TF Sykes, help 757 00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:05.360 Sterling, Jubilation, Axel Spencer, Neil Campbell, Easy Snake Oven, Samantha 758 00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:10.280 Angle, Rish Rawle, Calmer, Jesse, Marie mcdoukall, May, Delphine 759 00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:15.039 Dossi Adam with two a's, a d and An m ro Davis, the 760 00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:22.480 nilin Zucker Mumbleton, do you Humbleton? Elizabeth Newan Felt, Jamie Bolts, 761 00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:28.480 Richard Scanlon, Joseph Jones, Elizabeth Clark, Oliver Pluto, Junior, Brad 762 00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:34.440 Juno Series, Gwen Pratt, drift Walk, pd Purana Plant, Stephen Patrick, 763 00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:39.159 Molary, You Salinas, David Gancel, fun Boring this friendly local geek 764 00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:45.119 and Ryan Faber indeed a worthy addition to Krabag's knowledge. Oh and I found 765 00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:51.440 one more thing. Any firmans interested in having the name added to the collectory 766 00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:58.719 should pledge their undying loyalty to the patron at patreon dot com. Slash Mystery Shack