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Thank you, Thank you than Welco
podcast joint host Hoho as he discusses the

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rinting Netflix original series Black Mirror.
Now Here he is for broadcasting from the

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Cottage Studio. Welcome to Black Mirror
Podcast and as always, I'm your host,

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ho Ho. So, how y'all's
doing. I hope you're doing good.

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I really do. Today we are
revisiting season four, episode four,

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titled hang the DJ. Oh Yeah, And I gotta admit, man,

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I the first time I watched this, the the title had me. It

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screwed me up. I'm like,
what in the world does a DJ know

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A party, an event where you
would have a DJ present have to do

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with this dating retreat that these people
are on. It made absolutely no sense

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to me. But this time it's
like the very end, Oh, I

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get it, you know as yeah, I mean it was. Yeah,

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it took me a while. Now, okay, I gotta before we really

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get into the episode. And by
the way, spoiler alert if you've never

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watched or listen to Black Mirror Podcast, Yeah, we talk about the episode,

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so it's a spoiler alert, just
just throwing that in there. But

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before I get into that, a
little bit of housekeeping Okay, I okay,

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I do like four different podcasts.
I got, you know, my

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my two passion projects, the hoh
Show and Religion ho Hoo's Way. I've

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got this one Black Mirror podcast,
not exactly a passion project, but you

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know it, Black Mirror the show
Netflix original series is amazing, and this

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allows me to explore the human condition, which you know, is psychological,

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technological type of a thing that kind
of is leaning into a passion of mind.

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So, you know, just the
human condition in general. I like

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that kind of stuff. I find
it very intriguing. And then of course

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I've got the Mover review, which
you know, who doesn't like movies and

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being entertained right, you know,
of course we all do. I never

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would have dreamed that this podcast,
the show would have gotten the popularity that

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it's got, and it has grown
holy Cow to a point that I just

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I never would have fathomed, you
know, really really not, you know,

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and due to its popularity, I'm
very much wanting to take this to

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another level. Okay, I got
something in the works that I'm wanting to

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try that I'm going to try.
I don't know how successful I'm going to

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be on this endeavor. I should
know something within the next two months on

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whether or not I'll be able to
pull it off. If I can,

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then we're going to be adding a
little something something after I finish up with

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season six. After season six,
I'm wanting to add a little bit of

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something something to it, you know, grow it a little bit some add

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some depth to it, some depth, you know, a more perspective into

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it, if you will. I
don't want to spill the beans on what

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I got going on what I'm thinking, Okay, but let's just say it's

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going to be pretty freaking awesome.
I'm excited about it. I really am.

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Okay, i'll know something in the
next couple within the next couple of

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months, i'll know a little something
something, And after I know something,

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I will let y'alls know. But
just thank you. I mean really,

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none of this would even be possible
if it wasn't for you, So thank

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you. I'm humbled. I'm honored. You know that. Wow. Okay,

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I tell any numbers doesn't matter,
just wow, And thank you from

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the bottom of my heart. Thank
you. Y'alls are awesome. I appreciate

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it, I really do, you
know. So that being said, let's

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go ahead and dive into this episode
because this puppy all right. You know,

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I I hate to admit this,
I really do. I really did.

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I hate to admit this, but
you know I knew that. You

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know, this is it. It's
black mirror. Okay. You know they're

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going to throw some type of curveball
out you. You know they're going to

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throw a little something something match you. You know that things aren't necessarily what

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they seem. You know this.
But whenever I was watching this episode the

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first time, I was focusing the
wrong direction. I mean, it took

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me entirely too long to figure out
what the heck was going on. I'm

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gonna be honest with you. I
didn't figure it out. I mean I

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really didn't. It was the very
end whenever it was like, what's going

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on? And then finally they just
why didn't I pick up on that?

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You know, why didn't I and
rewatching it? You know, I paid

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more attention to the details and the
conversation and the things that were going on,

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and it's like it was so glaringly
obvious. I mean, kicking yourself

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in the butt on how slow I
was, you know, and maybe I

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was focused. I mean I was
just focused on the wrong thing. I

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mean, that's just that's kind of
what it's. It's what it amounts to,

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I was focused on the wrong thing. But let's go ahead and get

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into the episode, because I'll tell
you what this episode we're going to end

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with a couple different questions on here. Maybe not quite what you think,

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Okay, but okay, this this
episode, though, it really was pretty

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freaking intriguing. All right, it
was neat. I liked it. I

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really did it. It starts off
with newcomers to this this singles retreat.

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Okay, that's kind of what they
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it's like a singles retreat. Okay. You got Frank and Amy, all

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right, and they had this little
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to probably refer to it as quartana
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they check on their on this date, okay, how long their date is

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going to be? Their date was
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the meal, they go to a
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you know, the twelve hours long
date. At the conclusion of this twelve

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hour long date, Frank gets put
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so does Amy. The length of
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length of Frank's date was one year. And you know, you kind of

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go through this thing and this is
where they first started making me go because

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they're both in there, you know, both Frank and Amy. They're in

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there. I guess you'd say they're
mid twenties, and you kind of in

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there talking on this first twelve hour
date that you know, this what they're

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doing, this whole dating thing is
how life is. They don't have jobs,

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you don't know anything about their life
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retreat. You know, Frank's first
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was with Frank. That's how this
whole entire thing started. Twelve hour long

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date. Okay, but it's like
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and they kind of make it seem
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you know. And I mean there's
not a huge amount of people that you

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see in this, but they definitely
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this is how life has lived in
this you know, in this society,

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whether it be you know, in
the country, in the world. They

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don't really they don't let you.
They don't let you in on that.

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But it's a you know, it's
it's how life is. But again,

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you know, you got no job. Your entire life is lived dating somebody,

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just going out on a date for
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it's going to be. That's what
you do. So you know, you've

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got Frank's first date with Amy twelve
hours long. Amy goes on another date

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with another guy, and it's you
know, and it's nine months. Okay.

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She goes on another day, thirty
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hours, another date thirty six hours, just a continual loop, as it

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seems, of thirty six hour dates. You got Frank, whom after his

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date with Aim, he goes on
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date that Frank has, you know, he's counting down the time because he

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feels like he's in prison. He
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because this person is just nasty.
She's a Karen. Let's just put it

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that way. She's a Karen.
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date, and Quartana is like,
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do it like this. This is
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just have faith in the process.
There's a reason why we do everything that

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we do. Just go with it, Okay, just just go with it.

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And with with Amy, with all
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it's just an endless merry go round
of different guys that she's with.

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Okay. Now, if Frank his
experience, even though he felt like he

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was in prison for a year,
he's got a little bit more faith in

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the system. Now Amy, considering
how her experience went it was, you

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know, she's really becoming jaded,
no faith in the system whatsoever. She's

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getting kind of jada. She's getting
tired of the game. She's getting tired

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of the merry go round. She's
just getting tired of it. You know.

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Now, there there's some conversations that
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don't at this particular point remember the
timeframe of some of these. But after

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Frank's one year long day and after
Amy's nine months and then just thirty six

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hour rotation. After thirty six hour
rotation, they get matched up again.

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Now we don't know exactly how many
dates Amy goes on. We get the

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sense that it's many. Frank,
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that has been with it was Amy
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and now back to Amy. Now
they both have had two very different,

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excuse me, very different experiences,
and their very different experiences has given them

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very different outlooks on this system.
And you know, the conversations start to

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arise. Okay, one they start
talking about this dating retreat thing and you

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know, that's what life is.
And I thought that, of course was

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a little weird, you know,
but one of the things that they're talking

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about in this is how life was
before the system, and I thought that

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was kind of intriguing. You know, they talk about having to meet people

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on your own and you know,
go through the process and breaking up and

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you know, learning people and everything
else. And I'm just like at this

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point, I'm like, Okay,
this is a little strange. And that's

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why I say, you know,
it leads you to believe that that is

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just how life is with being on
this dating retreat that everybody does this,

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this is how they do that.
You go through various dates with the whole

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point of finding your lifelong partner,
and that's what they that's what they're The

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whole point of these various dates are
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your likes, your dislikes, different
people, what you want in order to

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put you into that relationship with your
lifelong partner. And then you you know,

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you go to your happily ever after. You leave the retreat and you

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go to your happily ever after.
That's that's the picture that they're painting.

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So now you've got they're back together
again. Okay, the coach Cortana,

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she she matches Frank and Amy back
up. Now they they agree that they're

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not going to check their little handheld
coaching device on how long they're their date

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is going to be, you know, because again two very different experiences are

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going on right right now. Okay, you've got Amy who is very jaded.

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She's tired of the merry go round, She's tired of the game.

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She just she wants to live in
the moment being happy, because they truly

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are happy with each other. They
missed being together, you know, they

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there really was chemistry, excuse me, chemistry between the two and Amy didn't

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want to ruin the experience by having
a duration and then expiration day and expiry

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as they call it now. Frank
being you know, having a different perspective

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on this because different experience. You
know, he has a little bit more

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faith in the system and things are
gnawing on him, you know. But

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before we get into that, another
conversation that they have when they're when Frank

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and Amy are on their second date, that you know, they're talking about,

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you know, the thing itself,
talking about their experiences, you know,

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and with Amy her experience, she
describes this whole thing as, you

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know, they're just playing games with
you. They're just testing you. You

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know, they're they're they're running you
through all this just to break you down

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and make you more jaded, just
so you give up. And it's not

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that they really find their you know, your your forever partner, your lifelong

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partner, and you know you'll leave
to your happe ever after, It's it's

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more of a they you know,
they put you through all this to break

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you down, so you just give
up and you settle on whoever it is

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that they end up putting you with. And with Frank, his outlook is

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a little bit different. His outlook
is, you know, what if the

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system is what they say it is, what if they take all this information,

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everything that you are, your thoughts, your dreams, your you know,

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your your interactions, your everything,
and what if they do take all

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of that put you all into you
know, different dates with people to where

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they actually know everything about you and
the system truly does work. What if

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another alarm bell was going off in
my head when I heard that, because

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this was something that I just didn't
pick up on the first time around.

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I just didn't, you know,
I was like, huh. Watching it

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the second time, I was like, all right, this is making sense.

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I'm picking up what's you're throwing down
here. I'm I'm seeing what they're

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doing here. You know. Now, At the time that their second date

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got started, okay, they both
agreed not to look at their expiry,

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not to look and see how long
their date was scheduled to be, because

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Amy truly just wanted to live in
the moment and just wanted to be happy

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without thinking about the revolving door of
endless dates, and that was based off

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of her experience so far. Frank, on the other hand, having a

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totally different experience, He was like, I kind of want to know because

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I really don't want to have to
go to somebody else whenever I am truly

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happy right here. You know.
So finally Frank breaks down. You know,

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Frank has a moment of weakness.
He just has to know, and

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he checks his device, he checks
coach five years. He's going to be

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on this date with Amy, and
he breathes a sigh of relief. He's

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happy. He's with the person that
he wants to be with. She's with

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the person that she wants to be
with. They're both happy. He breathes

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that sigh of relief. This is
amazing. Well, then you find out

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something about the system. Because they
don't tell the participants this. You kind

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of got to find out the hard
way. And Frank finds out really really

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quickly that you either look or you
don't look. And if you look at

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when the expiry is the duration that
your date is going to be, you

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have to do it both people at
the same time. If you don't do

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that, it breaks the system,
and that's bad. What started off as

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five years very quickly recalibrated and went
down to three years, and recalibrated and

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then went down to three years.
When from five years down to three years,

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then eighteen months, then recalibrated the
three weeks, then recalibrated, then

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recalibrated, then recalibrated all the way
down to twenty hours. Now they have

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already been on this date for I
don't know a few days at least,

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you know, I mean, you
don't exactly know how long their date has

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been up into this, but you
know, it kind of looks like it's

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been three three days, maybe a
week. You don't really know. They

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don't exactly tell you, but it's
not that terribly long into it, you

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know. But the Frank breaks down
and he checks, and now, you

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see, here's the thing though,
after seeing that five years with the person

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he truly wanted to be with,
going all the way down to twenty hours,

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and he really didn't want that.
And he's he's heartbroken. I mean,

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he's distraught, He truly is.
Frank is just not dealing with this

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very well at all. And it's
it's it's weighing on him, you know.

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I mean, he feels so much
guilt for checking this thing, you

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know, because you know, Frank
and Amy both agreed that they weren't going

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to do that as started off as
five. He was punished because well they

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both were punished because he just couldn't
leave well enough alone. And what started

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off as five years all the way
down to twenty hours and finally nineteen hours

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later. Now Amy knows something's up
because the demeanor, you know, Frank's

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demeanor changed, you know, and
it's like he, uh, she knew

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something was up. And finally,
you know, she asks him point blank,

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you know, what the heck's going
on? Something's up. Be honest

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with me, what the hell is
going on? He breaks down, He

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tells her. A fight ensues.
You know, she ain't happy, He

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ain't happy. You don't exactly know
what's going on with Amy at this point,

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you know, after their their date
is over, you don't exactly know

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whether she goes on a few different
dates or whatever, but Frank definitely does.

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Okay, Frank goes on on another
date, and it's a completely jaded

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experience. You know, he is
not into her. She is not into

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him. You know. At this
point, both of him, Frank and

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whomever the person is that he's on
a date with, they're just going through

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the motions, you know, and
they both get a notification that they have

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been paired with their lifelong partner and
they're going to meet them tomorrow. Now,

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Amy, after finding out an asking
point blank do I know the person

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that I'm being paired with? And
and and Coach told her, no,

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you don't know this person you've not
met. But Coach does tell Amy that

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she has the option to be able
to have some time to say goodbye to

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the person of her choosing. And
before before Coach can even really truly finish

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the sentence, Amy's like, Frank, I want to see Frank. I

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want to see Frank, you know, before we're paired off with our lifelong

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partners. I want to be able
to say goodbye to Frank. And basically,

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at this point she has written off
the whole thing. She takes her

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little handheld device and she skips it
across the pool. She's like, hey,

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Coach, count the four. Coach
starts counting the four, and by

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the time Coach even gets to four, the little handheld devices under the water.

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She goes to the meeting, plays
that that she's supposed to, and

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things just start going crazy from there. They both know that they're, you

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know, they're going to have they're
going to meet their lifelong partner the next

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day, and neither one of them
want that. Amy basically talks Frank into

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let's just blow the this joint.
What's the worst they're going to do?

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Now, at this point, you
know, they get up, you start

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to see that something's going on.
Okay, that way too many eyes are

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on them. But whenever they made
that decision to get up and leave and

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blow the joint, everybody is looking
at them. It is so creepy.

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I am not going to lie.
It is so creepy. I'm like,

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you know again, now, at
this point, I was so lost.

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Whenever I watched this the first time, I was so confused. I'm like,

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what in the world is going on
here? It's like I knew something

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was up. I knew something was
going on, obviously, but what am

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I watching here? I you know
again, I was looking at details,

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but apparently I was looking at the
wrong details. It didn't mean anything.

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I did not pick up on what
they were throwing down on this episode till

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the very freaking end, and finally
it was like, huh, so glaringly

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obviously, especially the second time watching
this is like, how did I not

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pick up on what was going down? How did I not get this?

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But again, okay, they get
up, they make that choice to blow

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this joint. Everybody is looking at
them. Everybody in this restaurant, from

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from guest to waitress, everybody was
just stopped and looking at them. Everybody's

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so creepy. And then finally security
shows up, you know, and and

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he's walking out and he's got his
little taser. Okay, Amy ain't having

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it. And by this point Amy
has decided that this whole thing, and

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this is one of the This was
part of the conversation that they were having

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while they were right there. It
was like, this whole thing's a test.

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Maybe this whole thing is just a
simulation. Do you remember anything before

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we met the first time? No, neither do I. This whole thing

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is a test, just to see
how we're going to react to this.

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I don't want to go through the
test. I don't want to play the

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game. I want to blow this
joint. I've decided who I want to

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be with. We're done, let's
go, so Amy ain't have a none

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of this. Amy puts out her
hand to the security guard that's got the

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taser, and boom handwrite on it. And then when that happened, everything

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pauses. Everything pauses, from guests
to birds, to people, the security

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guard, everything is in pause except
Frank and Amy, and they high tailed

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to this wall. They start climbing
this wall, and when they I mean,

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I don't know how tall this wall
is, but it was freaking huge.

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They were up there and still having
a ways to go, and then

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the entire world that you see just
starts to disappear and you and then you've

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got, like on a hologram deck, you got Frank and Amy and it

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shows a number above their head,
nine hundred and ninety eight, And then

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it pans around a little bit and
you see other Franks and other Amis,

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all of them with the number above
them, and you've got nine ninety eight

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at the very top, and it's
like nine hundred ninety eight times where they,

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you know, rebelled against the program
one thousand simulations completed. And then

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it pans up to the other side
of where that one thousand number is nine

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hundred and ninety I'm sorry, ninety
nine point eight percent accuracy. You've got

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Amy standing there being paired up with
Frank. They're in a bar and the

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song playing on the radio is hanging
the DJ and it's just immediate chemistry right

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there. Immediate chemistry. Now,
this episode I just I wow. I

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I don't know how else to put
it. I mean, it was just

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freaking wow. You know. But
but the thing that intrigues me about this,

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you know not I mean, y'all
know where I like to put my

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focus. You know, it's it's
people interacting with people, is people interacting

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with technology. It's people interacting with
people through technology. But with this episode,

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you know, like I one of
the things that talk about in here,

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one of the things that that Frank
brings up is you know, the

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system looking at everything, everything,
even even your thoughts, and then pairing

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you with somebody that it actually does
know because of all the places that they

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get their information from, being able
to accurately place you with somebody, Why

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not have your faith in it?
You know? Why not? When you

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stop and think about where it's getting
its information from, it just makes sense.

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Trust the system, you know,
trust that? Why not? The

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question isn't whether they've got the ability, because I mean, dude, if

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y'alls ain't figured it out by now, you know, they're tracking you,

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they're watching you, they're listening to
everything you do, they're looking at you

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through camera lenses multiple you know,
they got their hand everywhere they know And

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I mean, if you haven't realized
that by now I'm sorry, you know,

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but I mean, have you ever
had a conversation with somebody, let's

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say, about you know, a
I don't know a keyboard. You know,

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you ain't been shopping around for a
keyboard yet. You haven't gone on

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Amazon, or you ain't gone on
eBay, you ain't gone on anything to

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shop around for one. But yet
you're like, you know, talking with

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a buddy of years and you know, I, I think I could really

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use a keyboard. I'm kind of
wanting to upgrade my keyboard, and my

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keyboard starting to show its age or
whatever, you know, whatever justification you

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have for And the next thing,
you know, you're on Facebook, and

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what do you see on Facebook?
An advertisement for a keyboard. This happens

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all the time, you know.
And they claim that they do this for

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advertising purposes, of course, you
know, but they're doing this. And

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I'm sure that there's a lot of
people out there that have had the ex

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same thing happened to him. I've
had to happen a lot, you know,

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that type of thing. We know
they're listening, you know, they're

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they're they're they're hearing our conversation.
They are seeing where we go through the

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camera. They know what we are
buying through our credit card, through our

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debit card, through our rewards and
loyalty programs that we're on. They know

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what we're buying and what we're spending
our money on. You know, they're

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they're looking at the metadata, and
they know what websites were going to and

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what we're looking up. They know
all this information. They're collecting all this

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meta metadata, all of it to
figure you out. The question on this

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I can't really say, is how
you know what's the likelihood is something like

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this or do they have the programming
to be able to do something like this,

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because honestly, I mean, you
know, the simulation part of it

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is one thing, and that's that's
one of the most intriguing aspects of this

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episode. But they have it though
that This really isn't about whether or not

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they have the technology to do this. I mean, guys, I'm I'm

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yeah, I'm older than Apple.
I was around during the birth of the

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computer. I remember rotary phones and
dial up in fifty six K I you

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know, fifty six K dial up. I remember these things. Okay,

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first we had AOL and then we
had you know, um like Yahoo chat

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rooms and we had ICQ and and
and then it went into um, did

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I say Yahoo chat rooms? I
don't. I don't remember. Then then

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it went into MySpace, and then
Facebook, and now there's you know,

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Facebook and Twitter and Instagram and you
know, TikTok and I mean, holy

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crap, there's a lot of social
media platforms. I was around end the

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time before social media. You know, the thing that they are they were

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talking about on their first date with
before the program where they find you your

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your lifetime companion or whatever that you're
you know, your lifelong mate or whatever

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does it they call it. You
know, I was around before then.

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But my my niece and my nephews
will never know a time without technology and

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social media in one form or another. I mean, guys, look like

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it or heyed, social media is
here to stay. I mean, I

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don't see this trend ending any time
in the foreseeable future. It's here.

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They're just going to find more creative
ways to make it relevant to your life.

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But you know so, I mean, they listen, they watch,

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they know what's going on. This
isn't a question of whether or not they

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have the technology to do something like
this. I guess the real question is

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how much faith would you be in
the system. I mean, that's the

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question, isn't it. It's it's
not whether or not they could. I

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mean, if you're really brutally honest
with yourself, you know that, yeah

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they can. And for me,
that's that's a concept that is both amazing

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and terrifying all at the same time. I mean, it really is people

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amazing, yeah, but terrifying.
I mean, guys, look, like

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I said, man, I was
around during the birth of computers. Okay,

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Movies like The Terminator with Arnold Schwarzenegger, Movies like you know, I

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Robot with Will Smith and The Matrix
Keanu Reeves and Laura's Fishburne. I mean,

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these aren't movies that are classified as
science fiction or even science fantasy.

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They're they're not. If you listen
to the creators of the original computer and

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what they were talking about with the
eventual progression of the technology, and especially

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with AI it those movies or movies
of prophecy. That's why technology for me

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is intriguing, because I remember what
they said about it on day one,

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in the very beginning. Those movies
weren't science fiction. It's not science fantasy

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because how they foreseen the future with
the progression of the technology, looking at

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how we have progressed various technology already
up until then. They knew the eventuality.

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It wasn't a question for them,
It was an answer. Those movies

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are based off of those prophecies that
were made. I mean, not religious

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prophecies, there were, there were
technological prophecies that one day the machines would

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turn against us as their creators.
For one reason or another, the machines

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would turn against us. That's what
they prophesied about. That's why this whole

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thing is both intriguing to me and
terrifying. So, I mean, like

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I said, guys, the question
isn't whether or not they have the technology

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for this, but it really is
at this point, would you go along

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with it? How much faith would
you have in the system in the decision?

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Would you be willing to give up
your control of your own life to

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a computer program in that way?
Would you? Now, I mean for

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some people that might be an easy. Yeah. You know, they've grown

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up with the technology they're you know, they they have more trust in it.

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They have you know that they've researched
more, and they've done computer programming,

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and you know they might even know
some different things and in and outs

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of it, you know, and
they may have a different perspective than somebody

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like me that you know, Yeah, I was around in the beginning.

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I was around before there were dating
apps. I mean, I was around

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before there were apps in general.
I remember that kind of crap, how

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life was lived before technology and social
media. I was around for all that.

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So the first question, how willing
would you be to truly participate in

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an AI system that actually looked at
this much information about you to pare you

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against or I'm sorry to pair you
with somebody else, and regardless of what

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your answer is, and I truly
would like to know, actually I really

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would. But apart from that,
if you don't think that as a society

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were there yet, you know,
with with our trust in technology, our

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trust in AI, you know,
how long until you think we will be

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How long until you think we're there
that as as as a society, how

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long until you think we're there that
we're willing to put our trust into AI

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for deciding something like that. Let's
taking a step further though, you know,

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yeah, we're talking about relationships,
but what if we truly use technology

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for other aspects of our life like
a career, you know, I mean

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how hard would it be to take
you know, your your you know,

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your your grades, your extracurricular activity, your you know, some of your

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passions, passions and your hobbies and
put all of that. You know,

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your your intelligence, and your your
quest for new information, and your ability

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to learn you know, not just
what you know, but your ability to

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learn to you know, retain information. You know, taking all of that

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and truly find a career that you
would be in love with. If dating

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is one thing, what about using
that same type of AI and assisting us

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in coming up with a career,
a life path if you will you know,

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I mean going down that type of
a road. The possibilities are endless.

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How else would you use that type
of technology? So now we got

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three questions? Man, okay,
we got you know, how would you

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trust this type of a system?
Four questions? Actually, you know,

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would you trust this type of a
system if you don't think we're there as

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a society yet? How long until
you think we are? And what about

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using this in other areas like finding
your career? And in what other areas

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do you think this thing could possibly
work and be utilized for? Pretty intriguing

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questions. Whatever your answer is,
let me know. Head on over to

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the hoh Show dot com and Okay, if it's not yet, it soon

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will be. I'm working on a
blog putting it together. Actually, I'm

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moving it from one place to another. Message boards for the various seasons.

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Put your comments into there and let
me know. Or of course you can

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email me ho Ho at the Hoho
Show dot com and send me your question

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there, because I truly am curious
let me know. So, guys,

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that is all I got for you
today. Y'alls are awesome and amazing.

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The next episode will be episode six
of season four entitled Black Museum. I

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am who. I can't wait to
watch that one again. I really am.

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Oh man, that was a very
good episode. It really was tying

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so many other episodes together. I'm
interested to see a second time around how

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many more things I can see and
pick out from other episodes. That's what

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I'm kind of curious about on that
one. And then of course we're going

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to be doing the interactive film entitled
Bandersnatch, and then we're getting into season

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five. So y'all, is that
is all I got for you today.

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Have a great one. See you
Next dot Thank you for listening to the

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Black Mirror podcast. If you would
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