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Kristin Hawkins, someone who is just at the forefront of the fight for life.
Kristen is the president at Students for Life and Students for Life Action.
She also hosts her own podcast, So Kristen. First of all, welcome
and second of all, tell us where people can find your podcast. Sure,
thanks for having me. I'm excited to speak with you today. Yeah,
folks can check up check out my podcast six. Pro Life is the
title, and it's wherever you get your podcasts, spotfy, Apple, wherever.
It's a weekly show where I interview pro life leaders, folks on the
ground about what's happening within our pro life movement, shifts that we are seeing,
and really best ways we can be effective in changing our culture and impacting
you know, politics and policies for life. There is an incredible must be
heard to be believed story we're going to talk about from some of your campus
activists, and just a moment, I do want to ask Christian just a
little bit about if you could tell us how you got involved in the pro
life moment, and then a little bit about Students for Life for people who
maybe are familiar. Yeah, I got involved personal in pro life movement when
I was fifteen years old. I was asked to volunteer at a women's center
in my community. It turned out it was a pro life pregnancy resource center,
and it just, I mean, immediately on day one opened my eyes
to not only the violence being committed inside of our abortion facilities across America,
but also the hurt that was out there and women who were coming to the
center of already experiencing an abortion, women who didn't want to have an abortion.
I mean, the stats are incredible when you look into the stats of
the fact that eighty some percent of women who seek abortions say they don't want
them, and to really hear their stories, hear their heart, and be
able to step alongside them and help them, you know, hopefully see outside
of the tunnel vision that they were having in that moment of crisis to see
that there really was a community of support out there. And from there I
got involved, you know, politically in the pro life movement within my local
Republican apparatus. This was a time where before West Virginia became a solid red
state. So I was like the youngest person by like four decades at my
local work publican clubs. But that's really how I got involved in the pro
life movement, starting a group my high school, my college, and then
when I graduated, I went to work for the RNC. I quickly kind
of came in contact with other students who had been in similar positions that I
was kind of on my on you know, by myself on campus, really
trying to have this conversation with my peers who really, I mean still today
are the most targeted by the abortion industry. And that's why we launched Students
for Life in two thousand and six, was just two years out of school.
I was twenty one, and so we've you know, I've been doing
this for nearly eighteen years now, and that's why we serve more than fourteen
hundred groups in all fifty states, high school, college, med and law
school campuses, and really we're going out to these campuses and we're finding young
young people who have pro life sympathies, teaching them how to defend their beliefs,
how to become leaders, how they can really impact nonly culture, but
politics to save lives. We're changing minds of young people. So those who
are you know, I call them mushy middle, or you can call them
movable middle. On campus, we have an average of ten about ten percent
minds changed right every semester. Online, our digital field team averages about twenty
to twenty five percent minds change rate. And then we're sending them out.
So we're sending them out to mobilize at the state capital for lobby days or
countering a pro abortion protest, you know, protest event that they're having,
or Kamala Harris on a college campus. They're really there. And so when
you look at the overall pro life movement UH in the last eighteen years,
you will see a noticeable shift of young, joyful faces in front of the
Supreme Court, always countering, always being its you know, whether it's you
know, the capital, Washington, DC, ort, the state capital,
you will see these young people. We call ourselves the proluct generation, and
we are literally everywhere when if there's an abortion fight, we're there. And
how has Dobbs, How has Dobbs changed that? I mean that ten percent
figure is fascinating. And you know you mentioned doing this since two thousand and
six, so a science has advanced in that time period. And be the
Dobbs decision absolutely changed the game. I wonder, you know, a how
has that changed things? And then be in the longer term, how has
the kind of extreme position or the increasing extremism of the cultural elites when it
comes to life, when it comes to abortion. Has that generated engendered any
sense of curiosity heightened sense of curiosity among some of these young people. Does
it make it more or less easily persuaded? What's it like? Yeah?
I mean going into a Dob's reversal scenario. We had prepared for. This
is what we had been building for for eighteen years. You know, my
kind of talking points when I would go to events, whether fundraising events or
mobilization events of you know, we were preparing this generation that would have to
be everywhere. The moment Row reversed that there was going to be a fifty
state battle and that we were going to be the ones charged with leading it.
So I took this job very seriously, and so leading up to Roe
reversal, we actually had a number of calls and webcasts and just training sessions
with our students to prepare them one for the vandalization and the threats that we
knew were going to come, which we saw, I mean, and we're
going to get into that. We saw one hundred percent increase lash year was
insane and my general counsel, my lawyers must love me because there's so many
referrals going to them. It's incredible. But the other thing we were concerned
about was that question of you know, how does that impact our ability to
change minds, especially when something is so tightened on campus. I was actually
really surprised last fall our conversion to our mind changed metrics online and in person
helped steady. I was anticipating a drop that was not the case, and
in fact, the spring when we went to campuses, we want to about
one hundred and eighty campuses with our This is chemical abortion tour, which is
not the leading cause of death in America's chemical abortions and they take place in
the first time master and we have found a lot of common ground even with
pro choice young people, because these drugs are extremely dangerous and they take active
metabolites that kill the child and expel the child from the mother's body. They're
actually active after she sits on the toilet and flushes. They go into our
water ways, and we know that they're known intogrine disruptors that are harming fish
and animal life. And so we actually bumped up our number of minds changed
in the spring up to about a fifteen percent average on campus. And so
what I think what holds true is what we've seen time and time again is
the more abortion is talked about in the media, yes, you're going to
have more people who are incited in to you and scream, scream at you,
and you know, we're going to talk about some of this in a
little bit. But what we see is the more it's talked about, the
more opportunity we have for conversion. So we actually need abortion to be talked
about a lot because it's because it really it's it's the fundamental truth, right,
It's written on the human heart that killing a baby is a bad thing.
Even if you call yourself pro choice, you still kind of know in
your heart. It's not a really good thing. It's kind of ichy.
That's why so many people are, you know, comfortable with saying I don't
like abortion, but because they're acknowledging that that kind of truth that's written on
the human heart, that's that's that's a bad thing. But intellectually they don't
want to say it's a bad thing because that might change how they live their
life or decisions they're making. And so then they have to like wrestle wrestle
with those two things in their minds. And so when it's talked about we
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love that help. Okay, so christ this is one of those stories that
I think in normal times would have been, you know, such huge news,
but because we live in such crazy dimes, it's just like, oh,
okay, I'm a shaddy professor. We'll move on. Bring us up
to speed on what's going on with professors in general, and how this particular
anecdote maybe illustrates that. Yeah, I mean, we definitely see and what
we kind of prepare our students and our team to be aware. And you
know, there are going to be people when you're tabling on a campus.
Even though we're not using imagery of children who've been a board and we're simoply
asking questions, some people will just lose their minds. Often these are posts
a board of men and women. So our team's kind of instructive how to
like de escalate the situation because people talking, get them pointed to resources,
and then sometimes people just say f you and stick up their middle finger and
meat and we get that too, right, This is kind of a change,
and what we saw at Hunter College this past May was just really the
tip of the icebergs of now what we're seeing this fall, which is now,
you know, this is getting normal. So this professor Shelley and Rodriguez
came up to our table at Hunter College on May second. We were tabling
about chemical abortion and the dangers of chemical abortion. She begins to be rate
the students, who, by the way, with like the nicest, most
passive kids ever. And she, you know, her quote is this is
bullshit, this is violence. You're triggering my students. She kept yelling that
us talking about abortion was violence, but then she then engaged in an act
of violence. We have rubber feedal models, just all different sizes of the
gestational development lifelike field models, and for some reason these feedle models just throw
pro abortion nut jobs, like just throw them through the loop, like it
just drives them insane to see a model, a scientiic model, the child
in the room. So she throws our fetal models, our topic cards across
the table. She comes back later and you know, doesn't steal any She
steals some of our postcards, but doesn't act and anyway violence. We publish
the video of this, because this is a professor, students are watching her
behave this way towards towards us. We publish it. The New York Post
thankfully picked up this story. They go to her door on I think it
was like May twenty third. A report of the New Post shows up at
Gillian Alriguez's door in Manhattan and wants to get her on record about why she,
you know, violently threw our materials. She yells at them, get
the f away from my door. I'm going to chop you up with machelle,
and then holds a machete. I don't know why she had a machete,
because she's like this, like well known liberal BLM protester in New York
City. So I'm assuming she has like, you know, really strict views
on guns. But apparently no, the machete is a stake of the Bling
organizers. Yes, yeah, okay, so she has an ache She puts
it to the guy's throat. Then she chases him. So because because you
couldn't make the argument of like, well, was he like infringing on her
property or whatever? No, no, no, she like leaves her building
with them as sheetty and threatens runs down the street threatening this dude. After
that goes public because New York Post obviously posts puts public that their reporter has
been threatened on the sheddy. Then she gets fired. She doesn't get fired
for like harassing our students and you know, being a bad example to all
of Hunter College. She just got a new job, a new gig this
fall at Cooper Union. She's teaching like sculptures and arts, like an artsy
college. She was charged with like a misdemeanor menacing and weapons possession and harassment,
which she's pleading not guilty too. And then she claims that, like
we doctor the video, but like we don't even have the staff to like
doctor video. It was really funny, Cau, Like what do you think,
Like we're not that smart like video editing, Like we just like you
know, it's like it was really funny. But so yeah, so it's
crazy. The story still continuing, is still continuing because I don't even think
she pled guilty. She had to take some like two hundred whatever our courts.
It's kind of when you think about, like there are like nine people,
some people that I know, sitting in the Alexandria jail. Legend of
Virginia Jail right now who have been have actually been found guilty of violating the
Face Act, which is a Freedom of Clinic Entrances Act, because they blocked
the entrance to the aborsche of facility peacefully, and they're likely they're up for
eleven year federal prison sentence for just blocking the entrance of aborshe of facility peacefully,
no weapons, no machete. This woman, you know, Greet's reporter
of the CHETI chases him down the street after she's already violently disrupted our table
and she gets like two hundred hours in like an online class. It's unbelievable.
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a statement on the tolerance that these universities have for people who are a like
mentally unstable, so long as b they have the so called kind of right
beliefs. And you know, I would argue that maybe the mental and still
the instability goes hand in hand with some of their beliefs when they're radical at
the level of this woman's. How has the campus situation there, You know,
the students are one thing, but professors who have been professing radical pro
abortion beliefs for decades since the Dobbs decision, what did that do to what
we're seeing from classrooms? Yeah, I mean we just saw a situation a
couple of weeks ago there no, I think it was Bingham as another SUNNI
school, State University of New York. It's the Ackerman There where a professor
who's actually I think facing a federal lawsuit on a totally unrelated matter for harassing
conservative students took her class out to harass our students for Life group at our
at our events. And so we have a we have a blog up on
Student's Life's website about that situation, because I mean it's pretty clear like some
of these professors they're encouraging, they don't just come out on their own and
and go crazy. They actually tell their students to come with them, and
so it's this isn't sadly like the only time this has ever happened. It
just happened a couple of years, a couple of weeks ago, being of
them, you know, we had a situation, a pretty scary situation happened
at Sarah and Syracuse school with Syracuse just a couple of weeks ago. It's
same sort of deal. I don't know if there were professors of all,
but a mob ended up surrounding our staff member there, who is sadly it's
all the New York schools. Mob end up surrounding them. They had to
be escorted out with campus security coming to their rescue. And then like as
they were driving away, people were like running after their car by simply,
you know. And then the tour this semester is called what is a Person?
These are not like tours that are you know, I guess really set
people off. These are like rational conversations that we're having of Hey, here's
a couple, here's twenty jars. Put a pebble in each jar, in
the jar where you think the preborn child deserves human rights? And then we
have a discussion about you know, the development of the child in the womb,
and then we have a philosophical discussion about personhood and the danger of separating,
you know, saying that the child and as a woman is a human,
but they're not a person Like these are like calm, rational discussion that
we're trying to have our students on campus that Sally aren't being met with calm
and rational pro choices with the before Shelley Anne attacked our table at the Cheli
professor attacked at table Hunter. Something that we also released on separate video was
a student stole one of the fetal models and we sent security to go after
her stealing property. The security brings it back and the woman had put the
fetal model in her mouth. She showed it up, I don't know why,
then took nail polish, painted it red like blood, and then stuck
it, pierced it through a coat hanger and then was standing there in front
of our table with one of our fietal model with bite marks on it,
red paint through a co hangar. And that we've actually seen that happen.
We just counted our sixth fetal model that's either been stolen that's either been eaten
or chewed up this school year. And so this is it's like a new
thing from the last where, like I said, I would say to my
team the other day, like I miss the days of just like f you
and a middle finger. Now it's like I don't like you. So I'm
going to steal a rubber fetal model that is a choked hazard, by the
way, and I'm going to put it in my mouth and either I'm going
to swallow it or like shew it up. That's like the level of non
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evident and impalpable in our culture in ways that maybe it hadn't always been.
I mean, I'm thinking of the shout your abortion movement, which you know
all about. I'm thinking of the people who stood in front of the Supreme
Court last year and actually ingested abortifacians and actually took abortion pills in front of
news cameras to make a point about what they were doing. And all of
it does seem to Postdobs. It seems like maybe something on campuses has touched
a new nerve in my theory. How to tests this up with you,
Kristen, is when you look at like machete professor just being completely unhinged,
when you look at students eating fetal models, whatever they're doing, stabbing them,
I wonder if this is, again just my theory, the nerve that's
being touched as the sexual revolution and sort of fundamentally starting to come into question.
I think BuzzFeed had an article just a couple of years ago about gen
Z starting to question the sex positive movement, the so called sex positive moment,
which abortion is obviously central to. Is there something to that? I
mean, is there something you know, post stobs, that's becoming more unhinged
because the fight for the left has fundamentally become much more important, much more
sort of existentially well, I mean, I think it points to the fact
that abortion was always part of the you know, feminist plan, because you
can't you can't tell women that they can have as many sexual partners as they
want, that they can just go on birth control. That, by the
way, like changes the way their brain functions, which no one ever talks
about. That which gets my feminist feather is really roughle because no one ever
has a conversation about that. And then that be it, because we all
know, we all know somebody who's gotten or has has been the result of
a mother on birth control that it failed, breakthrough ovulation occurs, and so
you always kind of like quote unquote needed abortion because we knew that method of
just saying how birth can be on birth control is not is not fool proof.
It's not one hundred percent, And even Planned Parenthood has admitted this be
passed. The British Pregnancy Advisor SUR is the largest abortion vender in the UK.
Their executive director is on record saying women have to have abortion because you
know as a regular birth control method, like they have to have it.
And so by taking away row, which I mean, by the way,
didn't make abortion illegal in half of our states across the country. And some
states have acted to go more extreme, like Minnesota that now is like trying
to be the California in the Midwest. It's absolutely sickening. You have you
have some states that have gone totally far left. You have states that have
acted with courage to completely restrict or mostly abortion. And so what causes this
conversation to have to take fold of wait a minute, because like so a
couple of years ago, our Dimitri Institute for Pro Life Advancement, this is
our messaging arm at the Pro life generation where we do we take you know,
lived experiences on campuses, things that we're noticing that you know usually kind
of takes a couple of years to get to the broader culture. Or we
do our own quality or quantitative research on gen Z gen Y the largest voting
block in America, and then we distributed to the pro life movement. So
a couple of years ago we did this huge study, six year study on
movable middle women and men, and we started with the women and what was
interesting was that these women aren't weren't generally supportive abortion, you know, rights
groups. They did not consider themselves pro abortion. They were very much in
the middle, pro choice. But it was like this thing where like in
the back of their minds they all thought that abortion was a parachute. And
it was really we saw this because when we when the researchers just would ask
women, you know, what about a woman who has two abortions? And
it was interesting. These one would be like complaining that they thought the pro
lifers Republicans were too judgmental of women who had abortions, blah blah blah blah,
what you could you know, imagine, and then we would say,
well, what about a woman who has two abortions? And then these women
would immediately begin judging the woman who had two abortions. It was fascinating and
it was like at one point I pointed it out to one of those was
like, do you've see the difference, Like what's the difference here? Because
what was happening is in the back of their minds, even women who like
this think of themselves generally as pro life, always have thought themselves of having
that like one get out jail free car, that one parachute if the plane
is going down, and as abortion and then thinking about that that being taken
away depending on the state you're living in, that causes you as a a
general or to maybe have to reevaluate who you're having sex with. And you
were relationship with that guy that you know isn't going to go anywhere. Do
you continue to sleep with that man who you know won't stand by you if
you would become a pregnant, if birth control would fail, And that's scary,
and it's really scary. You think about the feminist movement only like they
have told women for decades, Like my whole life, I was told I
could do whatever I wanted to do, that I was equal to men.
I deserve to get paid the same as men. But I needed an abortion.
I wouldn't be able to get there unless we had abortion. I mean
literally, That's what the Supreme Court justices wrote in the majority of the KCB
Planned Parenthood decision, that abortion was needed for women to like break the glass
ceiling, which is a completely anti feminist and pretty sexist approach to the situation
of yeah, you can you know I am woman to hear me roar,
except when it comes to an unwanted pregnancy, then you have to have to
whimper and you have to go into plant parenthood and they have to take care
care of it quote unquote for you because you're not strong enough to do that.
You're not strong enough to meet your career or educational goals and at the
same time be pregnant or become a mother. And so that's you know,
when I talk to young women on campuses, I often have that conversation with
them. It was like, who told you you weren't strong enough? Don't
you think that's a fundamenting anti feminist argument that the feminist movement has been spouting
for decades in our country. And then you start to see kind of the
wheels, kind of a click in their mind of like, yeah, that
does seem kind of awkward, Like why would they say that? I love
that? And I just feel like there's so much more of that actually coming
out from campuses now, you know, even like that whatever podcast. First
of all, there's been some very powerful moments of young women being confronted with
things they've never heard because the culture has hidden them from young women. So
that, you know, two things came to mind when you're talking. First
of all, Dave Portinoy, this this big moment in the history of so
called boo barstool conservatism, is him saying Dobbs might make him vote for Democrats.
Because that is, you know, that's a line in the sand when
you when you you know, fundamentally alter the sexual dynamics between men and women
that people his age have grown up with their entire lives. That's a huge
existential threat. And the other thing it made me say, yeah, because
he has to watch you, he's sleeping with them. Exactly, yeah,
exactly. Yeah. I mean like, of course the bro choice man is
going to vote for Democrats, right, because that makes you have to don't
trust me. These men come up to me on campus and just like yell
at me, and I'm like, okay, whatever, bro choice Yeah,
because you know, the poor, poor pro life men are standing there stylent
because they're too afraid to speak up because if they say anything, the pro
choice of women and men will shout them down for not not being allowed to
have an opinion. But the bro choice man, you can say whatever he
wants because he's on the right side. It's a heroic opinion. Oh,
yeah, I mean he's so heroic. He's so heroic advocating for that he'll
give the four hundred dollars to his girlfriend who abort their child, and that
he has zero responsibility in the matter. I mean that that is a lazy
opinion, right, Like, of course, if you're a lazy SOB who
doesn't want to take any responsibility, wants to sleep as many women as they
want to objectify women, of course you're going to be pro choice. Sorry,
I see, I get super femasy on the stuff. No, that's
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Janet Yellen, I think it was Janet Yellen in the nineties did a study
on row for the Brookings Institute and it actually found, somewhat counterintuitively to people
who might not follow this super closely, that Roe actually increased single motherhood,
which again the whole point you know of folks like planned parenthood. Their entire
argument is that, you know, this is the less worthy are going to
just stop procreating. But when you look at it, it's actually that women
were having so much more unprotected sex and having such so freely that Roe was
so central to this new mentality about what sex is that there were way more
single mothers created just in the sort of aggregate. And this is the sexual
revolution fundamentally being challenged by Dobbs. The question, Kristen, I wanted to
post you with that context because everything you've said has been so interesting is how
specifically the pills, which is now how most abortions take place, What is
the situation like with those on campuses? And that is that Another thing is
that another thing that we find is almost heightening the contradictions as almost bringing awareness
to women. The more experienced young women have with these, the more they're
realizing that not what people tell them. Yeah, I mean absolutely. Also
going about the get yellow thing, you can look at the right of STDs.
By the way, look at the rate of STDs in the nineteen seventy
start in nineteen seventy three. In the look up, the rate of STDs
dramatically increases in our country because it makes sense. Right you hand down Row
forced states to quote unquote allow aborship to be legal. Legalized abortion people are
going to have more unprotected sets, They're going to have more risky sets,
and so you saw the rate of unintended pregnancies the right of sds dramatically go
up after Row. Yeah. For abortion advocates, we always hear like,
oh, well, you need abortion, you need all of these drugs and
devices because that lowers the abortion rate. But that's actually not true at That's
actually not true at all. To give back to your question about the abortion
pill, are you forty six or chemical abortions, there's a lot of confusion.
This was my big concern. We've been working on this about two years
at Student's Life to just educate pro lifers about chemical abortion pills. Chemical abortion
pills are not Plan B. I get asked this every time I speak.
Plan B is the cousin of the birth control pill. Plan B is eleven
times more powerful than the birth control pill, but it's essentially the birth control
pill. The objective with Plan B, which you can get over the counter
at Walmart anywhere. By the way, rapists can get this drug because no
one's monitoring it now. Like I went to a Walmart a couple of weeks
ago. I was trying to get student fed and I had to give them
my ID how to go behind the counter, and I said, you know,
Plan B is right there, and any sex trafficker rapist can go buy
a bunch of these right now and you would ask any questions of him,
and he could continue to cover up his crimes. And the pharmacist was like,
ah, I don't know what you're talking about. I was like,
Plan B because Plan B is supposed to prevent ovulation from recurring if you're taken
within so many hours I think it's like seventy two hours on protected sex if
the egg has not been released from the ovary. The goal is to prevent
the egg from being released from over However, on the back of the Plant
B box, it says it could cause an early abortion because it could prevent
the fertilized egg. If you google the word fertilized egg, it's a human
zygo. They use the word egg because it sounds like a part, not
a whole. It could prevent the zygo, the new human being with the
unique genetic code from a planting into the union line, so it could cause
an abortion, but we don't know how often. We know it will happen
because the birth control pill fails to prevent ovulation, and so obviously plant B
is going to fail as well. But I just say that because we're not
talking about plant B, which is over the counter and most people think of
it as a contraceptive. I don't label as a contraceptive because it's not always
a contraceptive. It can be, but not always. Pill is vastly different.
It is actually one hundred percent and the intention of the drug is one
hundred percent to end a unique coal living life. So these is it right
now? It's a two drug cocktail. They're experimenting with a one drug contail.
But the first pill stops progesterone, stops the hormone that feeds the child,
so it starves the early child, the every getting nutrition needs to survive.
The second pill is then taken to induce labor. Now, what's really
sad about these drugs. These drugs are actually much more dangerous than a surgical
abortion. And this is something that you don't hear talked a lot about.
If you go to TikTok and type in the word abortion pill. There'll be
tons of videos of girls or like talking about their their abortion experience, and
they'll talk about their abortion pill experience. And these aren't like pro life influencers.
These are pro choice women. But you got to read the comments.
The comments themselves from other pro choice women are absolutely heartbreaking because these comments verify
everything that we're saying. You know, the comments are like, I thought
I was going to die. I've never been a more pain in my entire
life. No one tells you this. We know from statistics these pills are
four times more dangerous than traditional surgical abortion. They're ten times more deadly than
a surgical abortion. One California study by our friends of the Charlote's Your Institute
found that of California medicaid users, so women on Medicaid, it led to
a five hundred percent increase in abortion related er visits. These are really dangerous
drugs, so much so they were one of the like eighty drugs when the
FDA in two thousand approved them. They put like a black blocks label on
them and attached to rems risk of evaluation mitigation strategies to there's only about eighty
drugs that are on the market that have these rems, meaning they're so dangerous,
and then the Obama administration twice upheld the realms. But then during COVID,
the abortion industry knew that Roe was going to fall, and so they
sadly followed the ram and Manuel let no good crisis go to waste mantra,
and so they pushed the Bido administration, who you know is all too happy
to do their bidding for them to get rid of all of these rems,
these common sense procedures that were at least supposed to prespare the mother from dying.
And so now you can get these drugs online. We have Students for
Life Action, our C four arm past the first State Complete Prevention Act in
Wyoming. This spring, it was signed into law saying that these drugs aren't
allowed at all environment which is really important because the raal states are the ones
and the Red States are the ones being most targeted by these drugs. Sadly,
you can go online and in like five minutes you can order these drugs
and to any state. They can come from Mexico, they can come from
doctors in New York or California. And what's really scary is you don't have
to like have any proof that your child is below a certain age gestation.
So these are really dangerous, Like if a woman's like fourteen week fifteen,
sixteen weeks pregnant, and most the majority of women we know from numerous studies
don't know really how far alaon they are. I mean, I'm in the
pro life movement and I always guessed wrong, right, majority of women don't
know how far alone they are. So these are really dangerous if she takes
them past what the FBA says is a ten weeks plant. Parrahod says,
they prescribe on level weeks. So these websites don't ask you to confirm with
an ultrasound the gestational age of the child. They don't need. They don't
confirm that it's actually a woman requesting the drugs and it's not her rapist requesting
the drugs. They don't confirm that she's not ourge negative, which that's one
of the things that anyone you know listening has been pregnant. One of the
first things they do is do a blood test at the obg lion's office.
They're looking for if you're rh negative, because if you're RIH negative, which
fifteen percent of our population. Is your partners are positive, you should be
able to deliver your first child five. But what will happen is antibodies will
form in your blood that will basically not allow any other future pregnancies to come
to term because these antibodies that are developing your blood will attack all future pregnancy
and see them. That's foreign entities, which is why you have to get
rh globlin injections during your pregnancy after an abortion, during it, after natural
miscarage, intendors are comingling the blood. They're not even testing for that anymore.
They're like, no, we no, we don't have to test for
that, which is really scary for women who are trying to preserve future fertility.
So these drugs, you know, lead to injury and fertility death.
So the drug of choice of sex the users. And now what we're finding,
and then a couple of years of research has gone by with our team,
is that they're actually acting in our environment. We're all very concerned about
wherever chemicals in our water endfrendisruptors. Chemical abortion pills have three active metabolites that
after they pass the one's body and by the way, in chemical abortion like
she's told to go to her toilet or her bats up and let the blood
come out, let the child pass, and to flush the child placenta down
the drain. So just one thing about the in humanity of that, but
two those act and metabolites then that pass through her blood stream that are in
the field tissue, the placental tissue, her blood, they go actually into
our wastewater system. We have oversea studies published at the NIH's pub med website
that we have found. There's a real famous one from the Nile River proving
they're actually harming fish life. We know in two thousand the FDA. We've
written several system petitions demanding that the FDA respond. We know when the FDA
rushed through they use an AIDS protocol to rush through these drugs in two thousand,
they never like literally check the box to confirm that chemical abortion metablites.
We weren't going to harm in dangered species or violate the Clean Water Act.
So they are also harming our environment. And no one is having this conversation,
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Yeah, I mean, I was just going to say that the information
that you just provided right there, it's incredible to me how dishonest the media
conversation about absolutely all of that is. I mean that that information is hard
to come by, and it's also it also happens to be extremely interesting,
not neatly partisan, as you're talking about the environment, as you're talking about
the health, physical health and safety of women, as they're expressing it on
TikTok. Is remarkable what a disservice the media is doing just because that question
of abortion is seen as so existential to feminists, many of whom are female
journalists. That's right, and in fact, this may put a fact caught
on because we know every time we've released we've sent forces and petitions to the
FDA and will eventually see the FDA for refusing they can't acknowledge. I mean
when they respond, they won't respond because they can't respond because we know they
openly violate did their own law, but actually took on our cause and was
for the entire month pretty hostile and demanding we approve our claims that chemical abortion
pills could be in the water. We survived that fact check after a month
and literally the article was, uh, you know they're so partisan over and
fact by the way, but their their fact check make it very clear of
like, well, it could be in the water, but the pro choice
scientist we talked to said it's probably not a big deal. Like that was
literally like that was their official fact check. Response was like, yeah,
it could be in the wire, but like the one guy they interviewed who
was like the wire for his like white or somebody somebody in his family was
literally on a plant parent a board. But they said it probably isn't a
big deal, that there's other worse things than our water. I was like,
I don't think that counts as like enough evidence not to talk about this,
Like just because you pro choice environmentalists think that. Yeah, it's you
know, because at the end of the day, their ideology dictates that access
to abortion needs to supersede all It doesn't matter if it harms went in,
it doesn't matter that it violates the feminist sensibilities, it doesn't matter if it
harms the environment and violates their alliance with environmentalist groups. They don't care.
Now, they'll use all those talking points to help and those other allied groups
to help advance their cause, but at the end of the day, it's
about allowing abortion anywhere, whenever, up until the moon of the birth and
tax parafundic and they don't care other than that. Kristen, this has been
fascinating. I knew it would be. I'm so grateful to you for coming
on the show and talking us through what you guys are experiencing on campuses.
Well, thanks for having me. I know it's probably people were like,
what did she just say. I've done a lot of podcasts on chemical abortion,
breaking it down, how it works, how it can be reversed,
how it harms, and how harms the environment. Because it's it's so incredibly
complex and it's it almost sounds like a conspiracy theory. When you start looking
into it, you know, like, how can this actually be real?
And how can no one be talking about this? And so I encourage you
if you if you're felt like that, you can go on my podcast and
find one of the many podcasts where we break all of this down absolutely and
you can follow the story of Machette professor and other professors like her. If
you go follow the great work of Students for Life, where Kristin Hawkins is
of course the president. She self's the president of Students for Life Action.
Kristin, thank you again, thank you so much for having me. I
really I really appreciate this time. Oh, of course you've been listening to
another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Dashinsky, culture editor here
at The Federalist. We'll be back soon with more. Until then, be
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