1 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,160 We're back with another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Dashinski, 2 00:00:21,199 --> 00:00:23,839 culture editor here at the Federalist. As always, you can email the show 3 00:00:23,879 --> 00:00:27,640 at radio at the Federalist dot com, follow us on Twitter at fdr LST. 4 00:00:27,879 --> 00:00:31,760 Make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcasts, and to the premium 5 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:36,119 version of our website as well. Today I'm joined by the one and only 6 00:00:36,359 --> 00:00:41,560 Kristin Hawkins, someone who is just at the forefront of the fight for life. 7 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:46,000 Kristen is the president at Students for Life and Students for Life Action. 8 00:00:46,439 --> 00:00:50,280 She also hosts her own podcast, So Kristen. First of all, welcome 9 00:00:50,359 --> 00:00:54,240 and second of all, tell us where people can find your podcast. Sure, 10 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,240 thanks for having me. I'm excited to speak with you today. Yeah, 11 00:00:57,359 --> 00:01:00,119 folks can check up check out my podcast six. Pro Life is the 12 00:01:00,159 --> 00:01:04,519 title, and it's wherever you get your podcasts, spotfy, Apple, wherever. 13 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,719 It's a weekly show where I interview pro life leaders, folks on the 14 00:01:10,719 --> 00:01:15,560 ground about what's happening within our pro life movement, shifts that we are seeing, 15 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:21,400 and really best ways we can be effective in changing our culture and impacting 16 00:01:21,599 --> 00:01:27,000 you know, politics and policies for life. There is an incredible must be 17 00:01:27,159 --> 00:01:32,040 heard to be believed story we're going to talk about from some of your campus 18 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,319 activists, and just a moment, I do want to ask Christian just a 19 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,959 little bit about if you could tell us how you got involved in the pro 20 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,159 life moment, and then a little bit about Students for Life for people who 21 00:01:42,439 --> 00:01:49,359 maybe are familiar. Yeah, I got involved personal in pro life movement when 22 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,719 I was fifteen years old. I was asked to volunteer at a women's center 23 00:01:53,959 --> 00:01:59,159 in my community. It turned out it was a pro life pregnancy resource center, 24 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:05,040 and it just, I mean, immediately on day one opened my eyes 25 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:09,080 to not only the violence being committed inside of our abortion facilities across America, 26 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:15,639 but also the hurt that was out there and women who were coming to the 27 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:20,599 center of already experiencing an abortion, women who didn't want to have an abortion. 28 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,319 I mean, the stats are incredible when you look into the stats of 29 00:02:23,759 --> 00:02:28,960 the fact that eighty some percent of women who seek abortions say they don't want 30 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,400 them, and to really hear their stories, hear their heart, and be 31 00:02:32,439 --> 00:02:38,360 able to step alongside them and help them, you know, hopefully see outside 32 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,439 of the tunnel vision that they were having in that moment of crisis to see 33 00:02:42,479 --> 00:02:46,439 that there really was a community of support out there. And from there I 34 00:02:46,479 --> 00:02:50,400 got involved, you know, politically in the pro life movement within my local 35 00:02:50,439 --> 00:02:54,599 Republican apparatus. This was a time where before West Virginia became a solid red 36 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:59,560 state. So I was like the youngest person by like four decades at my 37 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,479 local work publican clubs. But that's really how I got involved in the pro 38 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,479 life movement, starting a group my high school, my college, and then 39 00:03:06,759 --> 00:03:10,479 when I graduated, I went to work for the RNC. I quickly kind 40 00:03:10,479 --> 00:03:15,000 of came in contact with other students who had been in similar positions that I 41 00:03:15,199 --> 00:03:20,680 was kind of on my on you know, by myself on campus, really 42 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,199 trying to have this conversation with my peers who really, I mean still today 43 00:03:24,319 --> 00:03:29,479 are the most targeted by the abortion industry. And that's why we launched Students 44 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:34,039 for Life in two thousand and six, was just two years out of school. 45 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,400 I was twenty one, and so we've you know, I've been doing 46 00:03:37,439 --> 00:03:42,240 this for nearly eighteen years now, and that's why we serve more than fourteen 47 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,919 hundred groups in all fifty states, high school, college, med and law 48 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:52,840 school campuses, and really we're going out to these campuses and we're finding young 49 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:58,000 young people who have pro life sympathies, teaching them how to defend their beliefs, 50 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,520 how to become leaders, how they can really impact nonly culture, but 51 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:08,319 politics to save lives. We're changing minds of young people. So those who 52 00:04:08,319 --> 00:04:11,199 are you know, I call them mushy middle, or you can call them 53 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,919 movable middle. On campus, we have an average of ten about ten percent 54 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,040 minds changed right every semester. Online, our digital field team averages about twenty 55 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:23,800 to twenty five percent minds change rate. And then we're sending them out. 56 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:30,519 So we're sending them out to mobilize at the state capital for lobby days or 57 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:36,279 countering a pro abortion protest, you know, protest event that they're having, 58 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:41,360 or Kamala Harris on a college campus. They're really there. And so when 59 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,720 you look at the overall pro life movement UH in the last eighteen years, 60 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,240 you will see a noticeable shift of young, joyful faces in front of the 61 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:54,720 Supreme Court, always countering, always being its you know, whether it's you 62 00:04:54,759 --> 00:04:56,879 know, the capital, Washington, DC, ort, the state capital, 63 00:04:57,319 --> 00:05:00,839 you will see these young people. We call ourselves the proluct generation, and 64 00:05:00,879 --> 00:05:06,839 we are literally everywhere when if there's an abortion fight, we're there. And 65 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,360 how has Dobbs, How has Dobbs changed that? I mean that ten percent 66 00:05:11,399 --> 00:05:15,480 figure is fascinating. And you know you mentioned doing this since two thousand and 67 00:05:15,519 --> 00:05:19,160 six, so a science has advanced in that time period. And be the 68 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:25,439 Dobbs decision absolutely changed the game. I wonder, you know, a how 69 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,800 has that changed things? And then be in the longer term, how has 70 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:36,160 the kind of extreme position or the increasing extremism of the cultural elites when it 71 00:05:36,199 --> 00:05:42,040 comes to life, when it comes to abortion. Has that generated engendered any 72 00:05:42,079 --> 00:05:45,839 sense of curiosity heightened sense of curiosity among some of these young people. Does 73 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,120 it make it more or less easily persuaded? What's it like? Yeah? 74 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:55,160 I mean going into a Dob's reversal scenario. We had prepared for. This 75 00:05:55,199 --> 00:05:57,560 is what we had been building for for eighteen years. You know, my 76 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,120 kind of talking points when I would go to events, whether fundraising events or 77 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,040 mobilization events of you know, we were preparing this generation that would have to 78 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:09,399 be everywhere. The moment Row reversed that there was going to be a fifty 79 00:06:09,439 --> 00:06:13,160 state battle and that we were going to be the ones charged with leading it. 80 00:06:13,199 --> 00:06:15,879 So I took this job very seriously, and so leading up to Roe 81 00:06:15,959 --> 00:06:21,319 reversal, we actually had a number of calls and webcasts and just training sessions 82 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:27,079 with our students to prepare them one for the vandalization and the threats that we 83 00:06:27,199 --> 00:06:29,439 knew were going to come, which we saw, I mean, and we're 84 00:06:29,439 --> 00:06:31,519 going to get into that. We saw one hundred percent increase lash year was 85 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:36,040 insane and my general counsel, my lawyers must love me because there's so many 86 00:06:36,079 --> 00:06:42,639 referrals going to them. It's incredible. But the other thing we were concerned 87 00:06:42,639 --> 00:06:46,199 about was that question of you know, how does that impact our ability to 88 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,480 change minds, especially when something is so tightened on campus. I was actually 89 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:58,600 really surprised last fall our conversion to our mind changed metrics online and in person 90 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,319 helped steady. I was anticipating a drop that was not the case, and 91 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,720 in fact, the spring when we went to campuses, we want to about 92 00:07:05,959 --> 00:07:10,480 one hundred and eighty campuses with our This is chemical abortion tour, which is 93 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:15,720 not the leading cause of death in America's chemical abortions and they take place in 94 00:07:15,759 --> 00:07:20,240 the first time master and we have found a lot of common ground even with 95 00:07:20,319 --> 00:07:26,319 pro choice young people, because these drugs are extremely dangerous and they take active 96 00:07:26,319 --> 00:07:30,360 metabolites that kill the child and expel the child from the mother's body. They're 97 00:07:30,399 --> 00:07:33,920 actually active after she sits on the toilet and flushes. They go into our 98 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:39,720 water ways, and we know that they're known intogrine disruptors that are harming fish 99 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:45,480 and animal life. And so we actually bumped up our number of minds changed 100 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,199 in the spring up to about a fifteen percent average on campus. And so 101 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:53,399 what I think what holds true is what we've seen time and time again is 102 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:57,519 the more abortion is talked about in the media, yes, you're going to 103 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,759 have more people who are incited in to you and scream, scream at you, 104 00:08:01,839 --> 00:08:03,839 and you know, we're going to talk about some of this in a 105 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:07,920 little bit. But what we see is the more it's talked about, the 106 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,920 more opportunity we have for conversion. 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I 141 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,440 love that help. Okay, so christ this is one of those stories that 142 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:58,279 I think in normal times would have been, you know, such huge news, 143 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,360 but because we live in such crazy dimes, it's just like, oh, 144 00:11:01,399 --> 00:11:03,120 okay, I'm a shaddy professor. We'll move on. Bring us up 145 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,759 to speed on what's going on with professors in general, and how this particular 146 00:11:07,879 --> 00:11:13,919 anecdote maybe illustrates that. Yeah, I mean, we definitely see and what 147 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:18,080 we kind of prepare our students and our team to be aware. And you 148 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,840 know, there are going to be people when you're tabling on a campus. 149 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,080 Even though we're not using imagery of children who've been a board and we're simoply 150 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:30,320 asking questions, some people will just lose their minds. Often these are posts 151 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,639 a board of men and women. So our team's kind of instructive how to 152 00:11:33,759 --> 00:11:37,759 like de escalate the situation because people talking, get them pointed to resources, 153 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,840 and then sometimes people just say f you and stick up their middle finger and 154 00:11:39,919 --> 00:11:43,679 meat and we get that too, right, This is kind of a change, 155 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,960 and what we saw at Hunter College this past May was just really the 156 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,039 tip of the icebergs of now what we're seeing this fall, which is now, 157 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,799 you know, this is getting normal. So this professor Shelley and Rodriguez 158 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:58,639 came up to our table at Hunter College on May second. We were tabling 159 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:05,039 about chemical abortion and the dangers of chemical abortion. She begins to be rate 160 00:12:05,159 --> 00:12:07,879 the students, who, by the way, with like the nicest, most 161 00:12:07,879 --> 00:12:11,759 passive kids ever. And she, you know, her quote is this is 162 00:12:11,799 --> 00:12:16,080 bullshit, this is violence. You're triggering my students. She kept yelling that 163 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:22,559 us talking about abortion was violence, but then she then engaged in an act 164 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:26,600 of violence. We have rubber feedal models, just all different sizes of the 165 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:33,720 gestational development lifelike field models, and for some reason these feedle models just throw 166 00:12:35,159 --> 00:12:39,399 pro abortion nut jobs, like just throw them through the loop, like it 167 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:43,840 just drives them insane to see a model, a scientiic model, the child 168 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:48,200 in the room. So she throws our fetal models, our topic cards across 169 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,080 the table. She comes back later and you know, doesn't steal any She 170 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,759 steals some of our postcards, but doesn't act and anyway violence. We publish 171 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,799 the video of this, because this is a professor, students are watching her 172 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:07,120 behave this way towards towards us. We publish it. The New York Post 173 00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:11,440 thankfully picked up this story. They go to her door on I think it 174 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:16,000 was like May twenty third. A report of the New Post shows up at 175 00:13:16,039 --> 00:13:20,919 Gillian Alriguez's door in Manhattan and wants to get her on record about why she, 176 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:24,440 you know, violently threw our materials. She yells at them, get 177 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:28,159 the f away from my door. I'm going to chop you up with machelle, 178 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,720 and then holds a machete. I don't know why she had a machete, 179 00:13:31,759 --> 00:13:35,559 because she's like this, like well known liberal BLM protester in New York 180 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,879 City. So I'm assuming she has like, you know, really strict views 181 00:13:39,879 --> 00:13:46,159 on guns. But apparently no, the machete is a stake of the Bling 182 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,519 organizers. Yes, yeah, okay, so she has an ache She puts 183 00:13:50,519 --> 00:13:54,039 it to the guy's throat. Then she chases him. So because because you 184 00:13:54,039 --> 00:13:56,120 couldn't make the argument of like, well, was he like infringing on her 185 00:13:56,159 --> 00:14:01,080 property or whatever? No, no, no, she like leaves her building 186 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:05,679 with them as sheetty and threatens runs down the street threatening this dude. After 187 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,840 that goes public because New York Post obviously posts puts public that their reporter has 188 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,679 been threatened on the sheddy. Then she gets fired. She doesn't get fired 189 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,559 for like harassing our students and you know, being a bad example to all 190 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:22,039 of Hunter College. She just got a new job, a new gig this 191 00:14:22,159 --> 00:14:26,679 fall at Cooper Union. She's teaching like sculptures and arts, like an artsy 192 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:33,279 college. She was charged with like a misdemeanor menacing and weapons possession and harassment, 193 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,639 which she's pleading not guilty too. And then she claims that, like 194 00:14:35,679 --> 00:14:39,200 we doctor the video, but like we don't even have the staff to like 195 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,679 doctor video. It was really funny, Cau, Like what do you think, 196 00:14:41,799 --> 00:14:46,960 Like we're not that smart like video editing, Like we just like you 197 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,960 know, it's like it was really funny. But so yeah, so it's 198 00:14:50,039 --> 00:14:54,279 crazy. The story still continuing, is still continuing because I don't even think 199 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,519 she pled guilty. She had to take some like two hundred whatever our courts. 200 00:14:58,559 --> 00:15:03,360 It's kind of when you think about, like there are like nine people, 201 00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:07,600 some people that I know, sitting in the Alexandria jail. Legend of 202 00:15:07,639 --> 00:15:13,279 Virginia Jail right now who have been have actually been found guilty of violating the 203 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:18,759 Face Act, which is a Freedom of Clinic Entrances Act, because they blocked 204 00:15:18,759 --> 00:15:24,159 the entrance to the aborsche of facility peacefully, and they're likely they're up for 205 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,159 eleven year federal prison sentence for just blocking the entrance of aborshe of facility peacefully, 206 00:15:28,279 --> 00:15:31,799 no weapons, no machete. This woman, you know, Greet's reporter 207 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:37,120 of the CHETI chases him down the street after she's already violently disrupted our table 208 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,960 and she gets like two hundred hours in like an online class. It's unbelievable. 209 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,159 This week on the Word of the Lord in Doors Forever, we are 210 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:54,000 rolling right along in our adventures and acts with almost persuaded Paul sails for Rome 211 00:15:54,559 --> 00:16:00,000 a fateful decision, Paul's I told you so, and approaching Lane. Join 212 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,919 me, pastor Will Whedon for the Word of the Lord Indoors Forever, your 213 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:11,000 daily fifteen minute verse by verse Bible study on demand listen at the Word Indoors 214 00:16:11,039 --> 00:16:19,519 dot org or your favorite podcast provider. It is just truly unbelievable and such 215 00:16:19,519 --> 00:16:25,159 a statement on the tolerance that these universities have for people who are a like 216 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:30,120 mentally unstable, so long as b they have the so called kind of right 217 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:33,399 beliefs. And you know, I would argue that maybe the mental and still 218 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,559 the instability goes hand in hand with some of their beliefs when they're radical at 219 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,759 the level of this woman's. How has the campus situation there, You know, 220 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:47,720 the students are one thing, but professors who have been professing radical pro 221 00:16:47,759 --> 00:16:52,399 abortion beliefs for decades since the Dobbs decision, what did that do to what 222 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:57,919 we're seeing from classrooms? Yeah, I mean we just saw a situation a 223 00:16:57,919 --> 00:17:03,079 couple of weeks ago there no, I think it was Bingham as another SUNNI 224 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:07,880 school, State University of New York. It's the Ackerman There where a professor 225 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:14,480 who's actually I think facing a federal lawsuit on a totally unrelated matter for harassing 226 00:17:14,559 --> 00:17:18,039 conservative students took her class out to harass our students for Life group at our 227 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,240 at our events. And so we have a we have a blog up on 228 00:17:22,279 --> 00:17:26,799 Student's Life's website about that situation, because I mean it's pretty clear like some 229 00:17:26,799 --> 00:17:33,559 of these professors they're encouraging, they don't just come out on their own and 230 00:17:33,559 --> 00:17:38,240 and go crazy. They actually tell their students to come with them, and 231 00:17:38,319 --> 00:17:42,440 so it's this isn't sadly like the only time this has ever happened. It 232 00:17:42,559 --> 00:17:45,480 just happened a couple of years, a couple of weeks ago, being of 233 00:17:45,559 --> 00:17:51,599 them, you know, we had a situation, a pretty scary situation happened 234 00:17:51,599 --> 00:17:56,240 at Sarah and Syracuse school with Syracuse just a couple of weeks ago. It's 235 00:17:56,279 --> 00:17:59,559 same sort of deal. I don't know if there were professors of all, 236 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:06,319 but a mob ended up surrounding our staff member there, who is sadly it's 237 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:10,640 all the New York schools. Mob end up surrounding them. They had to 238 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:15,559 be escorted out with campus security coming to their rescue. And then like as 239 00:18:15,599 --> 00:18:21,240 they were driving away, people were like running after their car by simply, 240 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,400 you know. And then the tour this semester is called what is a Person? 241 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:30,720 These are not like tours that are you know, I guess really set 242 00:18:30,759 --> 00:18:34,680 people off. These are like rational conversations that we're having of Hey, here's 243 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,319 a couple, here's twenty jars. Put a pebble in each jar, in 244 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,440 the jar where you think the preborn child deserves human rights? And then we 245 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:47,279 have a discussion about you know, the development of the child in the womb, 246 00:18:47,319 --> 00:18:52,240 and then we have a philosophical discussion about personhood and the danger of separating, 247 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,400 you know, saying that the child and as a woman is a human, 248 00:18:55,480 --> 00:19:00,880 but they're not a person Like these are like calm, rational discussion that 249 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,559 we're trying to have our students on campus that Sally aren't being met with calm 250 00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:11,720 and rational pro choices with the before Shelley Anne attacked our table at the Cheli 251 00:19:11,759 --> 00:19:17,119 professor attacked at table Hunter. Something that we also released on separate video was 252 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:22,400 a student stole one of the fetal models and we sent security to go after 253 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:29,200 her stealing property. The security brings it back and the woman had put the 254 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:33,279 fetal model in her mouth. She showed it up, I don't know why, 255 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,359 then took nail polish, painted it red like blood, and then stuck 256 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,559 it, pierced it through a coat hanger and then was standing there in front 257 00:19:41,599 --> 00:19:44,799 of our table with one of our fietal model with bite marks on it, 258 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:48,359 red paint through a co hangar. And that we've actually seen that happen. 259 00:19:49,279 --> 00:19:56,000 We just counted our sixth fetal model that's either been stolen that's either been eaten 260 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:00,559 or chewed up this school year. And so this is it's like a new 261 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,240 thing from the last where, like I said, I would say to my 262 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,160 team the other day, like I miss the days of just like f you 263 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,200 and a middle finger. Now it's like I don't like you. So I'm 264 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,759 going to steal a rubber fetal model that is a choked hazard, by the 265 00:20:12,799 --> 00:20:15,880 way, and I'm going to put it in my mouth and either I'm going 266 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:21,359 to swallow it or like shew it up. That's like the level of non 267 00:20:21,519 --> 00:20:30,000 discourse that we're having. This is Molly Hemingway encouraging you to listen to my 268 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:36,519 favorite podcast, Issues, et cetera. Every day you get in depth interviews 269 00:20:36,799 --> 00:20:41,720 with host Todd Wilkin, asking expert guests substantive, thought provoking questions on all 270 00:20:41,759 --> 00:20:45,880 of the important news and issues of our day. The expert guests are in 271 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:52,319 culture, law, ethics, philosophy, theology, and apologetics. Expert guests 272 00:20:52,559 --> 00:21:00,960 expansive topics, always extolling christ issues, et cetera. And it is kind 273 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,279 of interesting because my colleague John Daniel Davidson his a book coming out actually about 274 00:21:06,319 --> 00:21:11,519 how sort of demonic forces in his argument are becoming more and more sort of 275 00:21:11,599 --> 00:21:17,279 evident and impalpable in our culture in ways that maybe it hadn't always been. 276 00:21:17,319 --> 00:21:21,039 I mean, I'm thinking of the shout your abortion movement, which you know 277 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,119 all about. I'm thinking of the people who stood in front of the Supreme 278 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:29,960 Court last year and actually ingested abortifacians and actually took abortion pills in front of 279 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,400 news cameras to make a point about what they were doing. And all of 280 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:38,680 it does seem to Postdobs. It seems like maybe something on campuses has touched 281 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,440 a new nerve in my theory. How to tests this up with you, 282 00:21:41,519 --> 00:21:45,839 Kristen, is when you look at like machete professor just being completely unhinged, 283 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:51,640 when you look at students eating fetal models, whatever they're doing, stabbing them, 284 00:21:52,519 --> 00:21:57,279 I wonder if this is, again just my theory, the nerve that's 285 00:21:57,319 --> 00:22:03,319 being touched as the sexual revolution and sort of fundamentally starting to come into question. 286 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,200 I think BuzzFeed had an article just a couple of years ago about gen 287 00:22:06,319 --> 00:22:11,079 Z starting to question the sex positive movement, the so called sex positive moment, 288 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,440 which abortion is obviously central to. Is there something to that? I 289 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,200 mean, is there something you know, post stobs, that's becoming more unhinged 290 00:22:19,279 --> 00:22:26,160 because the fight for the left has fundamentally become much more important, much more 291 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,279 sort of existentially well, I mean, I think it points to the fact 292 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:37,240 that abortion was always part of the you know, feminist plan, because you 293 00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:42,759 can't you can't tell women that they can have as many sexual partners as they 294 00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:45,519 want, that they can just go on birth control. That, by the 295 00:22:45,519 --> 00:22:49,160 way, like changes the way their brain functions, which no one ever talks 296 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,079 about. That which gets my feminist feather is really roughle because no one ever 297 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,160 has a conversation about that. And then that be it, because we all 298 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:02,039 know, we all know somebody who's gotten or has has been the result of 299 00:23:02,079 --> 00:23:06,000 a mother on birth control that it failed, breakthrough ovulation occurs, and so 300 00:23:06,039 --> 00:23:11,000 you always kind of like quote unquote needed abortion because we knew that method of 301 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,200 just saying how birth can be on birth control is not is not fool proof. 302 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:21,480 It's not one hundred percent, And even Planned Parenthood has admitted this be 303 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,759 passed. The British Pregnancy Advisor SUR is the largest abortion vender in the UK. 304 00:23:23,799 --> 00:23:29,880 Their executive director is on record saying women have to have abortion because you 305 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,079 know as a regular birth control method, like they have to have it. 306 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,440 And so by taking away row, which I mean, by the way, 307 00:23:37,599 --> 00:23:41,200 didn't make abortion illegal in half of our states across the country. And some 308 00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:47,160 states have acted to go more extreme, like Minnesota that now is like trying 309 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:52,400 to be the California in the Midwest. It's absolutely sickening. You have you 310 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,799 have some states that have gone totally far left. You have states that have 311 00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:00,000 acted with courage to completely restrict or mostly abortion. And so what causes this 312 00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:06,359 conversation to have to take fold of wait a minute, because like so a 313 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,200 couple of years ago, our Dimitri Institute for Pro Life Advancement, this is 314 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:14,119 our messaging arm at the Pro life generation where we do we take you know, 315 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:18,839 lived experiences on campuses, things that we're noticing that you know usually kind 316 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,480 of takes a couple of years to get to the broader culture. Or we 317 00:24:22,519 --> 00:24:27,400 do our own quality or quantitative research on gen Z gen Y the largest voting 318 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,279 block in America, and then we distributed to the pro life movement. So 319 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,200 a couple of years ago we did this huge study, six year study on 320 00:24:34,319 --> 00:24:37,799 movable middle women and men, and we started with the women and what was 321 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:45,400 interesting was that these women aren't weren't generally supportive abortion, you know, rights 322 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:51,000 groups. They did not consider themselves pro abortion. They were very much in 323 00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:53,640 the middle, pro choice. But it was like this thing where like in 324 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:59,400 the back of their minds they all thought that abortion was a parachute. And 325 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,559 it was really we saw this because when we when the researchers just would ask 326 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,759 women, you know, what about a woman who has two abortions? And 327 00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:11,000 it was interesting. These one would be like complaining that they thought the pro 328 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:17,319 lifers Republicans were too judgmental of women who had abortions, blah blah blah blah, 329 00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:19,039 what you could you know, imagine, and then we would say, 330 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:22,319 well, what about a woman who has two abortions? And then these women 331 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,640 would immediately begin judging the woman who had two abortions. It was fascinating and 332 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,160 it was like at one point I pointed it out to one of those was 333 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,559 like, do you've see the difference, Like what's the difference here? Because 334 00:25:32,599 --> 00:25:36,680 what was happening is in the back of their minds, even women who like 335 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,759 this think of themselves generally as pro life, always have thought themselves of having 336 00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:45,000 that like one get out jail free car, that one parachute if the plane 337 00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:49,680 is going down, and as abortion and then thinking about that that being taken 338 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,880 away depending on the state you're living in, that causes you as a a 339 00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:59,759 general or to maybe have to reevaluate who you're having sex with. And you 340 00:25:59,799 --> 00:26:03,599 were relationship with that guy that you know isn't going to go anywhere. Do 341 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,160 you continue to sleep with that man who you know won't stand by you if 342 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:14,119 you would become a pregnant, if birth control would fail, And that's scary, 343 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,519 and it's really scary. You think about the feminist movement only like they 344 00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:21,720 have told women for decades, Like my whole life, I was told I 345 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,240 could do whatever I wanted to do, that I was equal to men. 346 00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:29,720 I deserve to get paid the same as men. But I needed an abortion. 347 00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:33,160 I wouldn't be able to get there unless we had abortion. I mean 348 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,200 literally, That's what the Supreme Court justices wrote in the majority of the KCB 349 00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:40,759 Planned Parenthood decision, that abortion was needed for women to like break the glass 350 00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:45,799 ceiling, which is a completely anti feminist and pretty sexist approach to the situation 351 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,400 of yeah, you can you know I am woman to hear me roar, 352 00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:52,559 except when it comes to an unwanted pregnancy, then you have to have to 353 00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:56,000 whimper and you have to go into plant parenthood and they have to take care 354 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,440 care of it quote unquote for you because you're not strong enough to do that. 355 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,440 You're not strong enough to meet your career or educational goals and at the 356 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,039 same time be pregnant or become a mother. And so that's you know, 357 00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:11,720 when I talk to young women on campuses, I often have that conversation with 358 00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:15,640 them. It was like, who told you you weren't strong enough? Don't 359 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:22,359 you think that's a fundamenting anti feminist argument that the feminist movement has been spouting 360 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,799 for decades in our country. And then you start to see kind of the 361 00:27:25,799 --> 00:27:27,480 wheels, kind of a click in their mind of like, yeah, that 362 00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:32,440 does seem kind of awkward, Like why would they say that? I love 363 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,079 that? And I just feel like there's so much more of that actually coming 364 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:41,400 out from campuses now, you know, even like that whatever podcast. First 365 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:47,039 of all, there's been some very powerful moments of young women being confronted with 366 00:27:47,079 --> 00:27:52,920 things they've never heard because the culture has hidden them from young women. So 367 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,200 that, you know, two things came to mind when you're talking. First 368 00:27:55,240 --> 00:28:00,119 of all, Dave Portinoy, this this big moment in the history of so 369 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:06,799 called boo barstool conservatism, is him saying Dobbs might make him vote for Democrats. 370 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,799 Because that is, you know, that's a line in the sand when 371 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,759 you when you you know, fundamentally alter the sexual dynamics between men and women 372 00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:19,279 that people his age have grown up with their entire lives. That's a huge 373 00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:22,640 existential threat. And the other thing it made me say, yeah, because 374 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,680 he has to watch you, he's sleeping with them. Exactly, yeah, 375 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,880 exactly. Yeah. I mean like, of course the bro choice man is 376 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:33,119 going to vote for Democrats, right, because that makes you have to don't 377 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,839 trust me. These men come up to me on campus and just like yell 378 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,240 at me, and I'm like, okay, whatever, bro choice Yeah, 379 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,599 because you know, the poor, poor pro life men are standing there stylent 380 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,079 because they're too afraid to speak up because if they say anything, the pro 381 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,319 choice of women and men will shout them down for not not being allowed to 382 00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:52,440 have an opinion. But the bro choice man, you can say whatever he 383 00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:56,519 wants because he's on the right side. It's a heroic opinion. Oh, 384 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:02,960 yeah, I mean he's so heroic. He's so heroic advocating for that he'll 385 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,400 give the four hundred dollars to his girlfriend who abort their child, and that 386 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:11,119 he has zero responsibility in the matter. I mean that that is a lazy 387 00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:15,400 opinion, right, Like, of course, if you're a lazy SOB who 388 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,440 doesn't want to take any responsibility, wants to sleep as many women as they 389 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:25,440 want to objectify women, of course you're going to be pro choice. Sorry, 390 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,440 I see, I get super femasy on the stuff. No, that's 391 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:34,759 fantastic, especially because you're like talking to students about it. 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The other thing it made me think of is this 410 00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:07,400 Janet Yellen, I think it was Janet Yellen in the nineties did a study 411 00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:14,039 on row for the Brookings Institute and it actually found, somewhat counterintuitively to people 412 00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:18,160 who might not follow this super closely, that Roe actually increased single motherhood, 413 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,599 which again the whole point you know of folks like planned parenthood. Their entire 414 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,400 argument is that, you know, this is the less worthy are going to 415 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,119 just stop procreating. But when you look at it, it's actually that women 416 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,880 were having so much more unprotected sex and having such so freely that Roe was 417 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,240 so central to this new mentality about what sex is that there were way more 418 00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:45,759 single mothers created just in the sort of aggregate. And this is the sexual 419 00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:49,559 revolution fundamentally being challenged by Dobbs. The question, Kristen, I wanted to 420 00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:55,920 post you with that context because everything you've said has been so interesting is how 421 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:01,000 specifically the pills, which is now how most abortions take place, What is 422 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:06,839 the situation like with those on campuses? And that is that Another thing is 423 00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:10,759 that another thing that we find is almost heightening the contradictions as almost bringing awareness 424 00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:15,640 to women. The more experienced young women have with these, the more they're 425 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:20,640 realizing that not what people tell them. Yeah, I mean absolutely. Also 426 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,720 going about the get yellow thing, you can look at the right of STDs. 427 00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:25,720 By the way, look at the rate of STDs in the nineteen seventy 428 00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:30,359 start in nineteen seventy three. In the look up, the rate of STDs 429 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:37,000 dramatically increases in our country because it makes sense. Right you hand down Row 430 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:43,400 forced states to quote unquote allow aborship to be legal. Legalized abortion people are 431 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,680 going to have more unprotected sets, They're going to have more risky sets, 432 00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:51,839 and so you saw the rate of unintended pregnancies the right of sds dramatically go 433 00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:54,839 up after Row. Yeah. For abortion advocates, we always hear like, 434 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,359 oh, well, you need abortion, you need all of these drugs and 435 00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:02,480 devices because that lowers the abortion rate. But that's actually not true at That's 436 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:07,400 actually not true at all. To give back to your question about the abortion 437 00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:10,200 pill, are you forty six or chemical abortions, there's a lot of confusion. 438 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,039 This was my big concern. We've been working on this about two years 439 00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:19,640 at Student's Life to just educate pro lifers about chemical abortion pills. Chemical abortion 440 00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:22,559 pills are not Plan B. I get asked this every time I speak. 441 00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:27,920 Plan B is the cousin of the birth control pill. Plan B is eleven 442 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,880 times more powerful than the birth control pill, but it's essentially the birth control 443 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,480 pill. The objective with Plan B, which you can get over the counter 444 00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:39,079 at Walmart anywhere. By the way, rapists can get this drug because no 445 00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:43,279 one's monitoring it now. Like I went to a Walmart a couple of weeks 446 00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:45,480 ago. I was trying to get student fed and I had to give them 447 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,920 my ID how to go behind the counter, and I said, you know, 448 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,759 Plan B is right there, and any sex trafficker rapist can go buy 449 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:57,279 a bunch of these right now and you would ask any questions of him, 450 00:33:57,559 --> 00:34:00,920 and he could continue to cover up his crimes. And the pharmacist was like, 451 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,359 ah, I don't know what you're talking about. I was like, 452 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:08,280 Plan B because Plan B is supposed to prevent ovulation from recurring if you're taken 453 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,840 within so many hours I think it's like seventy two hours on protected sex if 454 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,039 the egg has not been released from the ovary. The goal is to prevent 455 00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:19,719 the egg from being released from over However, on the back of the Plant 456 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,119 B box, it says it could cause an early abortion because it could prevent 457 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,480 the fertilized egg. If you google the word fertilized egg, it's a human 458 00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:29,559 zygo. They use the word egg because it sounds like a part, not 459 00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:32,280 a whole. It could prevent the zygo, the new human being with the 460 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:37,000 unique genetic code from a planting into the union line, so it could cause 461 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,519 an abortion, but we don't know how often. We know it will happen 462 00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:45,719 because the birth control pill fails to prevent ovulation, and so obviously plant B 463 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,960 is going to fail as well. But I just say that because we're not 464 00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:52,039 talking about plant B, which is over the counter and most people think of 465 00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:55,400 it as a contraceptive. I don't label as a contraceptive because it's not always 466 00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:01,320 a contraceptive. It can be, but not always. Pill is vastly different. 467 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,880 It is actually one hundred percent and the intention of the drug is one 468 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,280 hundred percent to end a unique coal living life. So these is it right 469 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,920 now? It's a two drug cocktail. They're experimenting with a one drug contail. 470 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:21,159 But the first pill stops progesterone, stops the hormone that feeds the child, 471 00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:24,280 so it starves the early child, the every getting nutrition needs to survive. 472 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:30,199 The second pill is then taken to induce labor. Now, what's really 473 00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:37,000 sad about these drugs. These drugs are actually much more dangerous than a surgical 474 00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:40,559 abortion. And this is something that you don't hear talked a lot about. 475 00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:46,039 If you go to TikTok and type in the word abortion pill. There'll be 476 00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:51,079 tons of videos of girls or like talking about their their abortion experience, and 477 00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:54,639 they'll talk about their abortion pill experience. And these aren't like pro life influencers. 478 00:35:54,679 --> 00:35:58,800 These are pro choice women. But you got to read the comments. 479 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:06,000 The comments themselves from other pro choice women are absolutely heartbreaking because these comments verify 480 00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:08,320 everything that we're saying. You know, the comments are like, I thought 481 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,480 I was going to die. I've never been a more pain in my entire 482 00:36:12,519 --> 00:36:16,480 life. No one tells you this. We know from statistics these pills are 483 00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:22,000 four times more dangerous than traditional surgical abortion. They're ten times more deadly than 484 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:28,199 a surgical abortion. One California study by our friends of the Charlote's Your Institute 485 00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:31,599 found that of California medicaid users, so women on Medicaid, it led to 486 00:36:31,639 --> 00:36:38,880 a five hundred percent increase in abortion related er visits. These are really dangerous 487 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,639 drugs, so much so they were one of the like eighty drugs when the 488 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,480 FDA in two thousand approved them. They put like a black blocks label on 489 00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:52,639 them and attached to rems risk of evaluation mitigation strategies to there's only about eighty 490 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:58,119 drugs that are on the market that have these rems, meaning they're so dangerous, 491 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:05,440 and then the Obama administration twice upheld the realms. But then during COVID, 492 00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:09,320 the abortion industry knew that Roe was going to fall, and so they 493 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:15,159 sadly followed the ram and Manuel let no good crisis go to waste mantra, 494 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,519 and so they pushed the Bido administration, who you know is all too happy 495 00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:23,920 to do their bidding for them to get rid of all of these rems, 496 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:30,280 these common sense procedures that were at least supposed to prespare the mother from dying. 497 00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:36,840 And so now you can get these drugs online. We have Students for 498 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:42,000 Life Action, our C four arm past the first State Complete Prevention Act in 499 00:37:42,039 --> 00:37:45,199 Wyoming. This spring, it was signed into law saying that these drugs aren't 500 00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:49,880 allowed at all environment which is really important because the raal states are the ones 501 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,400 and the Red States are the ones being most targeted by these drugs. Sadly, 502 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,400 you can go online and in like five minutes you can order these drugs 503 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,280 and to any state. They can come from Mexico, they can come from 504 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:06,960 doctors in New York or California. And what's really scary is you don't have 505 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:12,079 to like have any proof that your child is below a certain age gestation. 506 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,599 So these are really dangerous, Like if a woman's like fourteen week fifteen, 507 00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:21,039 sixteen weeks pregnant, and most the majority of women we know from numerous studies 508 00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:22,920 don't know really how far alaon they are. I mean, I'm in the 509 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,599 pro life movement and I always guessed wrong, right, majority of women don't 510 00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:30,639 know how far alone they are. So these are really dangerous if she takes 511 00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:35,400 them past what the FBA says is a ten weeks plant. Parrahod says, 512 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,239 they prescribe on level weeks. So these websites don't ask you to confirm with 513 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:43,960 an ultrasound the gestational age of the child. They don't need. They don't 514 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,519 confirm that it's actually a woman requesting the drugs and it's not her rapist requesting 515 00:38:47,519 --> 00:38:52,079 the drugs. They don't confirm that she's not ourge negative, which that's one 516 00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:54,639 of the things that anyone you know listening has been pregnant. One of the 517 00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:59,159 first things they do is do a blood test at the obg lion's office. 518 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,920 They're looking for if you're rh negative, because if you're RIH negative, which 519 00:39:04,039 --> 00:39:07,880 fifteen percent of our population. Is your partners are positive, you should be 520 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,840 able to deliver your first child five. But what will happen is antibodies will 521 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:17,440 form in your blood that will basically not allow any other future pregnancies to come 522 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:23,400 to term because these antibodies that are developing your blood will attack all future pregnancy 523 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:28,280 and see them. That's foreign entities, which is why you have to get 524 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:36,159 rh globlin injections during your pregnancy after an abortion, during it, after natural 525 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,480 miscarage, intendors are comingling the blood. They're not even testing for that anymore. 526 00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:43,239 They're like, no, we no, we don't have to test for 527 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,400 that, which is really scary for women who are trying to preserve future fertility. 528 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:51,880 So these drugs, you know, lead to injury and fertility death. 529 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,320 So the drug of choice of sex the users. And now what we're finding, 530 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,679 and then a couple of years of research has gone by with our team, 531 00:39:59,159 --> 00:40:01,079 is that they're actually acting in our environment. We're all very concerned about 532 00:40:01,079 --> 00:40:07,440 wherever chemicals in our water endfrendisruptors. Chemical abortion pills have three active metabolites that 533 00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:12,679 after they pass the one's body and by the way, in chemical abortion like 534 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,719 she's told to go to her toilet or her bats up and let the blood 535 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:22,079 come out, let the child pass, and to flush the child placenta down 536 00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:24,760 the drain. So just one thing about the in humanity of that, but 537 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:30,840 two those act and metabolites then that pass through her blood stream that are in 538 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,760 the field tissue, the placental tissue, her blood, they go actually into 539 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:40,000 our wastewater system. We have oversea studies published at the NIH's pub med website 540 00:40:40,039 --> 00:40:44,320 that we have found. There's a real famous one from the Nile River proving 541 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,679 they're actually harming fish life. We know in two thousand the FDA. We've 542 00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:52,639 written several system petitions demanding that the FDA respond. We know when the FDA 543 00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:58,840 rushed through they use an AIDS protocol to rush through these drugs in two thousand, 544 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:04,199 they never like literally check the box to confirm that chemical abortion metablites. 545 00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:09,639 We weren't going to harm in dangered species or violate the Clean Water Act. 546 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:15,960 So they are also harming our environment. And no one is having this conversation, 547 00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:22,880 like literally no one from the studio that brought you Sound of Freedom and 548 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:27,360 the Chosen Comes after Death. 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That's Angel dot com Slash 582 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:57,480 the Federalist after Death. The End is only the Beginning rated pg. Thirteen. 583 00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:04,840 Yeah, I mean, I was just going to say that the information 584 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,719 that you just provided right there, it's incredible to me how dishonest the media 585 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:15,239 conversation about absolutely all of that is. I mean that that information is hard 586 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,480 to come by, and it's also it also happens to be extremely interesting, 587 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,599 not neatly partisan, as you're talking about the environment, as you're talking about 588 00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:25,719 the health, physical health and safety of women, as they're expressing it on 589 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,679 TikTok. Is remarkable what a disservice the media is doing just because that question 590 00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:37,000 of abortion is seen as so existential to feminists, many of whom are female 591 00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:40,840 journalists. That's right, and in fact, this may put a fact caught 592 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,840 on because we know every time we've released we've sent forces and petitions to the 593 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,519 FDA and will eventually see the FDA for refusing they can't acknowledge. I mean 594 00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:55,079 when they respond, they won't respond because they can't respond because we know they 595 00:44:55,119 --> 00:45:02,760 openly violate did their own law, but actually took on our cause and was 596 00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:09,519 for the entire month pretty hostile and demanding we approve our claims that chemical abortion 597 00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:14,840 pills could be in the water. We survived that fact check after a month 598 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,880 and literally the article was, uh, you know they're so partisan over and 599 00:45:19,519 --> 00:45:22,320 fact by the way, but their their fact check make it very clear of 600 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:27,440 like, well, it could be in the water, but the pro choice 601 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,920 scientist we talked to said it's probably not a big deal. Like that was 602 00:45:30,039 --> 00:45:35,480 literally like that was their official fact check. Response was like, yeah, 603 00:45:35,519 --> 00:45:37,360 it could be in the wire, but like the one guy they interviewed who 604 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,239 was like the wire for his like white or somebody somebody in his family was 605 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:45,679 literally on a plant parent a board. But they said it probably isn't a 606 00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:47,599 big deal, that there's other worse things than our water. I was like, 607 00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:52,840 I don't think that counts as like enough evidence not to talk about this, 608 00:45:53,119 --> 00:45:59,000 Like just because you pro choice environmentalists think that. Yeah, it's you 609 00:45:59,039 --> 00:46:02,800 know, because at the end of the day, their ideology dictates that access 610 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:07,239 to abortion needs to supersede all It doesn't matter if it harms went in, 611 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:12,480 it doesn't matter that it violates the feminist sensibilities, it doesn't matter if it 612 00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:17,000 harms the environment and violates their alliance with environmentalist groups. They don't care. 613 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:22,199 Now, they'll use all those talking points to help and those other allied groups 614 00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:24,960 to help advance their cause, but at the end of the day, it's 615 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:30,840 about allowing abortion anywhere, whenever, up until the moon of the birth and 616 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:36,159 tax parafundic and they don't care other than that. Kristen, this has been 617 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,199 fascinating. I knew it would be. I'm so grateful to you for coming 618 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,880 on the show and talking us through what you guys are experiencing on campuses. 619 00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:46,480 Well, thanks for having me. I know it's probably people were like, 620 00:46:46,639 --> 00:46:51,880 what did she just say. I've done a lot of podcasts on chemical abortion, 621 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,920 breaking it down, how it works, how it can be reversed, 622 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,440 how it harms, and how harms the environment. Because it's it's so incredibly 623 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:04,079 complex and it's it almost sounds like a conspiracy theory. When you start looking 624 00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:06,840 into it, you know, like, how can this actually be real? 625 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,239 And how can no one be talking about this? And so I encourage you 626 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,480 if you if you're felt like that, you can go on my podcast and 627 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:19,559 find one of the many podcasts where we break all of this down absolutely and 628 00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:24,199 you can follow the story of Machette professor and other professors like her. If 629 00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:29,280 you go follow the great work of Students for Life, where Kristin Hawkins is 630 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,760 of course the president. She self's the president of Students for Life Action. 631 00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:36,800 Kristin, thank you again, thank you so much for having me. I 632 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,960 really I really appreciate this time. Oh, of course you've been listening to 633 00:47:40,039 --> 00:47:44,639 another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Dashinsky, culture editor here 634 00:47:44,639 --> 00:47:46,440 at The Federalist. We'll be back soon with more. Until then, be 635 00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:58,960 lovers of freedom and anxious for the friend. Hear the fames a reason, 636 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:07,639 and then they faded away. M