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Clemson people acting like the world is
coming to an end when you lose by

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seven to the fourth ranked team in
the country. To bring us some perspective

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that's a little more rational, unlike
some people on the internet. And then

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the leading media landscape, it's Will
Vanderboort from the Clemson Insider and Will,

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like we said during the break,
my friend, and thanks for joining us

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as always, and on the English
Tailgate show this weekend as well. Sometimes

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it's just a great game between two
really great teams, and sometimes you just

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score one last touchdown. Sometimes it
just happens. Yeah, when you have

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a game like you did Saturday,
somebody's got to lose. And I know

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the Clemson fans wish they were the
ones that won, and I get it

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and I understand it. But it
was a it was a great college football

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game. I mean, I enjoyed
it. It was one of the best

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ones I've seen in the Valley.
Yeah, probably since twenty sixteen against Louisville.

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You know, it was a lot
of big plays. You know,

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you saw big plays from both offenses. You saw big plays from both defenses,

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special teams. It was the drama
there as we know, and so

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it had a little bit of everything
in it. And you know, I

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bet you nobody was happier than ESPN, because I bet you that game got

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their biggest rating of the night,
without a doubt that the whole day,

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you know, because the atmosphere a
Clemson, by the way, was unbelievable.

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It was eighty eighty two thousand people
there. Man, that place was

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packed out an hour before the game
started, and it was every bit as

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electric as any night game would be
at Clemson. So that you know,

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Davo mentioned it on his telephone tele
conference call with us on Sunday night that

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you know, he just thought the
fans were amazing and you know, they

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came out and I got to give
him credit to man, it was it

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was a great college football atmosphere,
and the two teams delivered a great game.

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They did look and that's what I
take away from it. Two.

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Will Vanderford, Clemson insider, joins
us year on the Engels Hotline. You

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can find him at Steeler Will on
Twitter. We'll talk about as Steelers later

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in the show here. Congrats by
the way, they did what they had

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to do against the run. I
mean that was first and foremost, and

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we talked about Jordan Travis's shoulder,
you and I did on Saturday, and

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look, whether there was a concerted
effort or not, he was held in

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check six carries negative two yards.
Some of those were of course in the

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pocket sacks, but Trey Benson couldn't
get things going. So I think that's

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the game plan going in is we
can keep Travis in check to a certain

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degree on the ground, and we
knew we could. Let's just pick our

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spots here and make sure that we're
careful with guys like Johnny Wilson Keon Coleman,

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who both had good games. But
really the game turned in a lot

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of ways. On a beautifully time
blitz by Florida State where Kalen DeLoach knocks

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the ball out of Kate Clubmic sand
picks it up, and a stunned death

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Valley watches it happen. Your reaction
in real time. Yeah, First of

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all, I thought Clemson played Floria
State exactly how I thought they were gonna

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play him. You know, I
told to you guys that on the angles

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call Gate two, and I thought
that was a game that I thought Clemson

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matched up with Floria State very well, and a lot of people thought I

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was crazy when I said that,
But when you look at those big corners

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that Clemson has and then they got
some size at safety. Now, what

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I didn't think Clemson was going to
do was play press man almost the whole

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game, which is what they did. Disrespectful. I know it's disrespectful,

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but right, and Clemson won the
battle more times than not. I think

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I ended up, you know,
with his three targets being Coleman, Wilson,

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and Bell. They were just thirteen
of thirty one in those that's forty

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one percent. So Clemson did a
great job. And the reason that it

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worked was because what you just mentioned
they held in the twenty two yards rushing.

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Florida State's offense is predicated with that
run game, and that's a major

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issue right now with Florida State because
they struggled running the ball against Boston College

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too, And I think part of
it is because they, again Clemson,

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like Boston College, when George Trup's
got hurt, they didn't they's like,

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Okay, we'll be stunned if he's
being run much in the RPO game.

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And they didn't do as much RPO
stuff as you saw in the game.

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It allowed Climson to just chee back
and say Okay, we're gonna gonna shut

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the rundown and then we're gonna get
after your quarterback. And that's what they

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did. And I thought it was
a great game plan by West Goodwin and

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the coaching staff on the defensive side. Some people know, I don't know

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because of people know the staid Clipson
Health Florida State. The seventeen points in

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regulation and two hundred and eighty six
total yards. Yeah, defensive shuts down

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and then the overtime when it doesn't
count in regulation, you're exactly right,

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yeah, And do you listen,
give me deceiving you're exactly right right,

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And so you know, you know, just just trying to put that into

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perspective. And they had three points
and what's five or six possessions? They

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only had three points and one hundred
and thirty yards in the second half of

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colusive defense did their job. They
shut them down. They made Florida State

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offense look progestrian like for most of
the game. And you know, so

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credit to West Goodwin his staff.
As you mentioned, the play of the

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game was the fumble. There's no
doubt. First of all, great called

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by four State recognizing film off in
the game, knowing he's not the best

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guy at pass protection, so you
come with the blitz there he misses.

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It doesn't pick up the linebacker even
if he just chips them. I know

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some people said, well, there's
no saying that he's not gonna get him.

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Know if he even chips him,
he knocks him off his path and

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where he maybe he tackles for a
sack, but he maybe doesn't hit him

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like the way he did. Club, they can knocks the ball loose,

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so you know your running backs gotta
pick that up. And I know people

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argue you hear both arguments. People
said, well, Club, he's got

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to understand what's going on behind him, and I disagree because he's rolling to

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his left opposite side. He's thinking
his dudes doing his job. And if

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you're if you're trusting that your teammates
are doing their jobs, you're not looking

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and you know you're rolling out,
So why would you be worried about pocket

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presents. No, that's not his
job out anybody's saying that's out of there.

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I'm not trying to criticize people.
You got to understand the fundamentals of

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what you're talking about here. When
it's a timing and rhythm type of anticipation

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throw, the quarterback is trained to
trust what's in front of him and behind

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him in terms of protections and look, people are gonna look for anything they

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want to. It's been a quarterback
carousel to a certain degree since they had

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their magical run with Watson. Of
course TODs blown before that, and then

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Trevor Lawrence and it didn't work out
with Kelly Bryant and DJU. Look,

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he had some good moments, but
Kate to me, settled in nicely.

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You didn't see as much bouncing out
of the pocket. I thought he was

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very poised, very confident, any
other than that one fumble, which you

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look, it's gonna go against him
in the books there. But still,

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narratives can be dangerous, and I
think a lot of Clemson fans are frustrated.

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Some Clemson fans are more rational than
others, as is the case globally

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with sports. But what's the message
with coach Sweeney right now? Is it

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as usual when shield mentality? Was
any special messaging from him to you guys

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covering the beat down there anything you
picked up on that was different Because this

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is I guess somewhat unusual territory in
the fact they're two and two right now,

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but there's still a season ahead to
play. You know, we saved

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unusual territory. But people forget they
were two and two two years ago,

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right exactly, thank you, I
guess percentage wise, but yeah, it's

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recently been in this position. You
know, a little bit different situation,

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I think. But you know,
I mean, they if you look at

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both these seasons, look how hard
season has been in the teams they've played,

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you know, at the beginning of
the year, and you know,

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they had a tough road loss to
a ranked you know, an NC State

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team back then, and you had
a tough road loss to a ranked Duke

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team, right so you had a
tough loss to Georgia who went on to

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win the national championship. Now you
just had a tough, difficult loss to

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Florida State, who right now is
in the top five. So you know,

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I mean, you really can't.
I mean, you lost some difficult

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games and some good teams. It's
not like you lost the Sisters of the

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Poor here. And I know,
people including myself, we're really surprised to

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see the way they lost to do
But Dukes turned out as as I thought

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they would. They're not to be
a pretty dark, good football team,

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and I think they'll showcase that this
week. So the message for Davo it's

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his team, you know, I
asked him other I asked him in the

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press conference, how do you think
this team will respond? He says,

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I think we're gonna respond okay,
because the day was an indication that we

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could play and play with anybody,
and that was like I felt like we

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were the better team. We just
didn't win the game. And he said,

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part of that's my fault, and
I'll own onto it, and those

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coaches are onto it and we'll try
to get better. But he says he

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has no doubt that his players will
bounce back and they'll be ready to play

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when they go to Syracuse. And
guys, they better be ready to play

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when they go to Syracuse because we
all know this is the thorn in the

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side for Davos Sweeney when he has
the greatest team he's ever had. Yeah,

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so these guys, this is not
gonna be an easy game by any

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stretch for Clemson and they need to
get over this Floor State game fast because

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guys, the last time Clemson started
the season ozero and three and acc play

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was way back in nineteen ninety eight. Oh my goodness, Wow, I

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think I was in high school.
I remember that. I was probably have

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one of those games watching like dray
dray Dray Blyth for North Carolina and Mac

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Brown coaching Round one. I remember
those days. Yeah, it's you don't

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want to go back there, you
don't. It's a lot of it's with

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Clemson fans, and I know so
many of them. You know, they

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are so proud of what Dabo and
they have had handed it to the fans

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building a culture down there, and
I'm wishing for their sake things get back

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on track with Syracuse. But that's
no easy test. Look four to twenty

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nine yards of offense. You're talking
about a top ten ranked team here.

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I think there's some things clicking with
this Garrett Riley offense that is starting to

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look more and more promising, and
you're getting some more contributions once again from

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guys other than Bo Collins. You're
starting to see again in the running game,

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it's kind of standard operating procedure.
But in the passing game, Tyler

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Brown has been emerging week after week
Brennan Steel had a little more activity.

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Stillatto is always active. So is
it shape it up for you time wise?

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Is this like the rest of the
season. Obviously it's one game at

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a time, winshield, mentality,
win it all. Do you feel like

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this team, with club Nick and
all that's going on in college football could

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be well positioned going in the next
year. I know that's a long way

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way to get the mental back or
is it kind of Is it kind of

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lost now for a few years?
Where are they No? I think they're

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fine. When you look at this
team, look at all the guys coming

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back next year. They're only gonna
lose one starter off this offense this year.

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They're gonna bring ten guys back potentially, you know, depending on Will

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Shipley, which right now between you
and me, guys, I think Will

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Shipley should come back. I think
there's some things he's got he can work

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on. I don't think he's having
the kind of year he was hoping he's

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gonna have. I think he'd benefit
from coming back for another season. So

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you know, you can bring back
both him and film Offa. You bring

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back all the wide receivers. Bo
Collins, by the way, he can

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come back too. I know he's
listened as senior, but he'd come back

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if he wants to you because of
the COVID year, so you know,

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there's there's a lot there offensively,
and then you got Kaye Pludnet, who

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guys, let's be honest, Look
how he's already progressed in four games.

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Yeah, you can't. You can't
tell me that it's the same quarterback that

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started against Duke. He's not.
I mean, Florida State was blissed to

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them. They were coming, they
were bringing pressure. The touchdown pass he

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threw to will Shipley he got blown
up on. I mean he got blown

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up on the place, did he
But he stood in there and delivered that

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ball, and he went through his
reads. There's plenty of times where you

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saw him going through his entire progressions
before he would take off running. He's

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come a long way. You give
get Riley credit for that as well.

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And so I liked this offense.
In the future. The defense, I

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know some they're gonna say, oh
my gosh, they're losing those linebackers and

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stuff, but they're bringing people into
They're bringing in the number one linebacker in

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the country by the way, right, so and they and they got they

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already got T. J. Carker's
there at peter Wood. So the future

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looks bright. You know, look
at the look on the back end of

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that Khalil Barnes and those guys.
Look how good at secondary is and they

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potentially could bring every single one of
those guys back, even though I think

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Nate Wiggins is probably gone, especially
after that performance he had, but he

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had stay, had five targets thrown
to him, he got a single pass

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was caught, by the way.
So Dave Wiggins is probably gone but at

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the end of the year. But
you know, he still potentially could come

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back. So they're in good shape
for the future. This Clemson team is

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I don't think you throw anything away, and I don't think he throws this

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season away. I think this team
is as good or better than every team

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on their schedule. Yeah, there's
some tough games, there's no doubt about

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that. But if they played the
way they did against Florida State, they

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can beat every team on their schedule
from here now. So we'll see how

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they go. Guys, just remember
we remember last year, none of us

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would have said, none of us
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there's any chance, and you know
what that South Carolina would be Clemson.

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No, but yeah, exactly.
But what happened, right, it

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happens happened somebody thought they would boat
raise Tennessee either. Yeah, these are

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things you don't anticipate. We're two
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You can't protect anything. No,
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which is where they'll find themselves.
What used to be the Carrier Dome.

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I believe it's the JMI Wireless Dome
these days, still a Carrier Dome.

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Okay, thank you. I just
it's like akresran Hines. We're just making

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sure it's like, wait for its
the first they try to change it to

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BB and T Field, I'm like, no, it's gross, geez.

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And that's game time. That yeah. By the way, that game time

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has been announced three thirty pm against
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kickoff. That's the sweet spot I
think. Any you're a sportswriter, we

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talked about this last week. Your
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afternoon. Right three thirty, I
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time. Oh really, wow is
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He's because I can't watch the Neon
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I'm stuck watching one game all day
long. Man, it's the worst

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time, but at least it's a
good team. I mean, the best

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time is noon because you get to
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Yeah right, it is good,
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you get to watch the morning the
after the early Neon games and then you

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know a right up to almost kickoff
for the night game, So you get

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those afternoon games pretty much most of
the afternoon games in So the three third

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you're stuck because you're like, you
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to stated. We gotta work,
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it takes a while. Well,
they've got a great path ahead of them

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and just some games to look forward
to. Syracuse. Coming up on the

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thirtieth, you'll hear us on the
English Tailgate show seven eight m live from

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Camper Down Plaza, I believe this
week and then Wake Forrest. That'll be

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back in Clemson. That'll be let's
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thirty, ten thirty area, yeah, ten thirty ever time doing math in

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my head it sound great, and
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game times, Miami on the road, hard Rock Stadium at North Carolina State

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Home against Notre Dame. Okay,
so it's yeah, Look, there's a

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lot to play for you. You
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We're back in the old days of
Ken Hadfield or whatever. But by

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the way, Kenny, Ky,
Kitty, Kenny get into a bad job.

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By the way, Kenny was fine. Tell me something nobody said that.

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I heard it. I heard it. I heard somebody else call me

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Bill Ellis down at Clemson. Walking
back to the media, Parker let Us

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said, that's my dad, and
I have nary a concert ticket offer you.

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I was in a salty mootive to
that one. But look, there's

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a lot of season ahead. I
think it's gonna be fun to watch,

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and it's always great to follow.
Your content will be Enford. A quick

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thought on your your Steelers moving forward. I mean, look, it's a

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tough division. You got Watson playing
better. That defense is good. The

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Ravens stumble, of course they're going
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That was surprising in the burrow.
He might not play tonight, So I

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mean your your thoughts on your Steelers
moving forward. Listen, I'm you know

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me. I'll criticize that Canada almost
pretty much every week. I'll give him

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credit last night though, on that
third down play at near the end of

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the game. Great play call and
got the first down there to be pretty

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much pretty much put the game away. And you know, so then Percy

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Harvin, Boy, what a great
punt that was at the end there to

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kind of just like it was a
sky punt. I mean, I took

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about ten seconds talk and the guy
had tumbled it because it was right in

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the sideline. Anyway, it's fun
to beat, but it's fun to beat

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the Raiders. Come on, nobody
where in Las Vegas, ugly glogo,

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right, you just hate them?
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to beat the Raiders, and almost
everybody in their stadium. We're Steeler fans,

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that's what ye And you still and
get Franco still caught it. That's

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the thing, all these years later, Franco still caught it. Franco still

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caught it. And then we beat
the Raiders again, and I like that

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anytime we can beat the Raiders,
as we beat the Browns week before.

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So yeah, thanks are going smooth
right now, but we still got a

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long way to go. You know, on offense, we're not not defense

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is unbelievable. They're just they's just
lights out. But we got a long

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way to go on the offense society
of football. But hey, they took

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a big step this week. They
looked better. Let's hope next week they

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can do that against the Texans and
get that wind. Mike Common always gives

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us one four kind of win at
loss every year, and my goodness,

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is better than one or I'm gonna
be mad you only get one of those,

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we get a dozen. Will Vanderboards
have a great afternoon, Thanks for

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you and Savin. All right,
guys, I thought they man