WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.840 --> 00:00:15.759 Adventist Radio London inspiration for the song We Welcome the Talking Point with Ray Sen, 2 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:22.199 Pedro Angela discussing the hot topics and answering your questions Saturdays five to seven 3 00:00:22.280 --> 00:00:27.839 pm on Adventist Radio London. It's talking Point. It's talking Point. It's 4 00:00:27.879 --> 00:00:36.840 talking Point, It's talking Point, real conversations. You need to have good 5 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:40.280 afternoon, good afternoon, good afternoon, or should I say good evening, 6 00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:43.960 good night? I'm not sure. I can't see your side. Welcome to 7 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:52.039 Talking Point, the conversations we really need to have. As always, I 8 00:00:52.119 --> 00:00:58.320 am joined by my trusted co hosts. That's Angela and Pedro Petrol. You 9 00:00:58.359 --> 00:01:03.439 there, How are you guys doing? I say hi to the folk, 10 00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:08.400 give me good evening. Welcome to Talking Point. Hi Zan, Yeah, 11 00:01:08.439 --> 00:01:12.799 Hey, Pedra, Yeah, I'm okay. Actually I say that I'm exhausting. 12 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:19.640 Actually all those weeks where I mean, every week, every time someone 13 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:22.840 says to me, how am I? I say I'm tired, But the 14 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:26.719 fatigue and exhaust is really good. Oh yeah, so I'm really tired today. 15 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:32.439 But thank the Lord, it's a sabbath. When it was a sabbath, 16 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:37.280 it wasn't the most RESTful day for me, but I was glad for 17 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:38.920 it to be honest and to be at church and kind of you know, 18 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:42.840 to praise, worship, et cetera. So, yeah, it's been a 19 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:47.040 busy and it's been a busy Sabbath. It's been usual. But I'm good. 20 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:52.200 So yeah, here we are. Hopefully you can get some some rest 21 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:57.319 tomorrow. Hopefully you can. I can put your feet up. Maybe possibly. 22 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:00.400 Oh no, I can see from the expression that that might not happen. 23 00:02:04.239 --> 00:02:07.519 I'm good, You're good, all right, No worries, No worries? 24 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:10.400 Uh, Pedro, how are you say? Hill? Mike check if 25 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:15.599 you will? Good afternoon. Everybody. Welcome to Talking Point. You're a 26 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:20.240 little quiet, I'm signy. Would you like me talk loud? Yeah? 27 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:25.639 There that voice? I tell you so this one. Hello everybody. You 28 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:31.879 welcome to Talking Points. How you guys doing? Just like Angela. Yeah, 29 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:36.520 it's been a crazy week, a lot of a lot of long distance 30 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:38.000 dropping this week. They're going back to that again a little bit. I 31 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:43.800 had to talk to my manager, okay, and I went to church today. 32 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:47.560 So now you know, I'm arrested after this because I worked tomorrow actually 33 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:53.319 to help out because they're shorthanded. So I'll be working six days this week. 34 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:57.120 Wow, so literally, like they say six days you shall work in 35 00:02:57.159 --> 00:03:01.080 the seventh days arrest. Thank God for the sabbath me. So yeah, 36 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:05.240 I go look back to work on tomorrow. So I'm not looking forward to 37 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:07.280 but you know, it is what it is. Yeah, yeah, my 38 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:12.199 week was pretty good. The weather. The sun came out a little bit 39 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:16.759 today, which is nice. Yeah. Nice. It's the sun, the 40 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:21.039 cold sun that you like, Petro. You like the cold sun, don't 41 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:23.680 you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I don't like the sun. 42 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:30.599 I know from the island, but I don't like that. Very strange, 43 00:03:30.639 --> 00:03:38.240 indeed, very strange. Indeed, right, have we lost Petro? Yeah, 44 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:39.960 I don't. I don't understand that. And people, I'm sure listening 45 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:46.319 are puzzled. But yeah, I hmmm, I don't like it too hot. 46 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:49.879 I have to admit it's already. It's already the thirteenth. That's that's 47 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:52.759 the more scarier part. Well, we've lost we lost you for a minute 48 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:55.280 there, Petro. I don't know if it's your your internet connections. We 49 00:03:55.360 --> 00:04:00.439 lost you for a moment. Sorry, what were you saying? Scary? 50 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:06.439 That is what there's the thirteenth already. Yeah, don't blink and let's it'll 51 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:10.240 be under end of January. Every year that goes by, its seems to 52 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:14.639 go faster. It feels like we just celebrated in New Years and there's already 53 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:17.000 thirteen days in. I was like, I know, almost halfway through, 54 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:24.399 right, unbelievable. Scar, Yes, it is before we know it will 55 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:29.120 be Christmas? Dare I say it again? When I used to do work, 56 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:30.120 I used to work for a magazine where back when, so we were 57 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:34.959 always working so far ahead, so to me, these went even quicker. 58 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:39.839 So it feels like that. So sometimes I'm often thinking, often planning and 59 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:42.879 thinking about things ahead. So at this point of the year, we would 60 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:46.519 have been planning things for like March April, may you know, started doing 61 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:51.519 and I always remember it was like Christmas in July. Yeah, yeah, 62 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:56.560 so it was for thinking and now it just seems like it's just it's happening 63 00:04:56.680 --> 00:05:08.199 fast, you know that? So yeah, everybody, So my week was 64 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:15.639 good New Yeah, ups and downs already. I can already feel that I'm 65 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:17.839 gonna have to hold on for the ride. There are gonna be some highs. 66 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:21.360 I know that I've had. I have some really wonderful things planned, 67 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:27.639 but there've already been some lows, so I am just holding on and trusting 68 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:30.959 God and hoping that nothing will come to derail me. But it is, 69 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:36.680 it's been already three weeks in or two weeks in, whatever it is. 70 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:43.120 You see, I've lost time. It's already been sort of full of ups 71 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:46.600 and downs and challenges. And not just for me people, I speak to 72 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:50.519 my friends, family, you know, who's not got bad reports from the 73 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:54.800 doctor, you know, loss of life, et cetera, et cetera. 74 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:58.800 And me just I'm just thinking, whoa, you know, just be ready, 75 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:05.160 be ready. It's that time that season. Sorry. Yeah, yeah, 76 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:08.720 it will take a lot of faith, a lot of prayer, and 77 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:14.240 I think that, you know, the theme that we've got for this month 78 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:18.160 really will resonate with so many people bringing down strongholds, because that's what you 79 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:23.439 know, we're facing on a day to day year or year. It's a 80 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:29.000 battle. It's a challenge. And but God, that's my final answer, 81 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:35.360 my final line. But guard full stop. Yeah yeah, definitely, definitely, 82 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:40.240 Oh God. Yeah, I mean, you know, at the same 83 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:43.720 time, even though it just feel challenging because I'm the same, but I 84 00:06:43.759 --> 00:06:46.879 still want to be hopeful that it's going to be positive and you know, 85 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:51.360 I mean sometimes it's funny because Monday coming, I think is if I remember 86 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:57.000 rightly, if they coin it blue Monday, because it's like that third or 87 00:06:57.160 --> 00:07:01.879 or third Monday in the month, and you know, we're looking at Heal's 88 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:06.160 in the UK. The weather has been a bit gray and dull. There's 89 00:07:06.199 --> 00:07:09.720 been a few sort of bright days, which has been I'm really thankful for 90 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:13.199 because even though it's cold, I don't mind it being like that. That's 91 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:16.079 pretty good. But you know it is, yes, that time of the 92 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:19.319 year, but it is great. Not a lot of light, and you 93 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:25.600 know, people feel quite low after the highs of Christmas as well. Sorry 94 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:28.000 to cut you, but after the highs of Christmas, you're just like on 95 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:30.600 a new Year, you're like, yeah, you know, you're around people 96 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:33.240 and you're kind of going back to you've gone back to work, You've gone 97 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:40.000 back to kind of normality. Yeah. I mean, I think when it 98 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:42.439 comes to this stubb of the year, I try to wear bright clothing, 99 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:46.079 simple thing, but use color as my kind of you know, don't get 100 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:49.319 much sunshine, so I'm going to wear bright colors. I'm going to try 101 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:54.399 and brighten up on what happy so yes, yeah, that's what I think. 102 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:57.600 Nothing be so smile. You know, it goes a very long way. 103 00:07:57.800 --> 00:08:01.639 I know it's a simple thing, but not beat attitude. A smile 104 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:05.800 on your face can make such a difference, not just to you, but 105 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:09.319 for those around you, you know, those you might meet random people on 106 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:11.319 the streets sometimes. I mean, I know they'll think you're crazy, but 107 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:16.199 but a smile and a helloa, good morning? How are you won't hurt 108 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:20.759 at all? Won't hurt? Alison? Do you want to jump in the 109 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:24.839 conversation here? I didn't ask you beforehand, but I know I did see 110 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:31.399 on your status that some wonderful things are happening on your side on your end. 111 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:37.480 Good evening again, Allison, and thank you for joining Talking Point. 112 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:41.159 Those of you who do not know, they must know by now you are 113 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:46.879 a author, psychotherapist, practice and a very regular In fact, I say 114 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:50.679 all the time, you are a Talking Point honoree. And you've been on 115 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:54.879 the show a number of times, no stranger to Talking Point and Adventists Radio 116 00:08:54.919 --> 00:08:58.000 London. And you're back with us to do a series and we get into 117 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:03.360 that just after our break. But how was your week and how are you 118 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:09.679 doing? I'm doing good. Yeah, it's good to see everyone. My 119 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:13.480 my week was busy. My weeks are normally busy, but you know, 120 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:18.159 it's it's been. It's been a busy week, but it's been a good 121 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:22.960 week as well. I've you know, I've just literally published my latest book 122 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:28.919 during the week. So it's out on Amazon and it's it's called Relating for 123 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:35.679 Success. Congratulations, thank you, thank you. Oh yes, it's it's 124 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:39.360 it's been busy, but it's been. It's been good, thank god. 125 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:43.080 So if you want to pick up a copy of your book, then we 126 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:48.080 can go on Amazon and purchase that hard copy and it all be sent across 127 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:54.639 to us. Absolutely, the kindle version should be available within the next couple 128 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:58.440 of days. Perfect Perfect. I will talk a little bit more about that 129 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:01.879 during the course of the series, and certainly at the end we can talk 130 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:05.840 about what's next for you. But absolutely good news, and I'm looking forward 131 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:11.240 to get a copy. Remind me of the title, and it's called Relating 132 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:20.519 for Success, and it's focusing on positive relationships, especially within organizations. It's 133 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:26.799 suitable for every type of relationships, but the focus really here is on relationships 134 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:33.679 within between organizations. We spend lots of time at work, yes, and 135 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:37.559 lots of time with people at work. So yeah, that's that's the focus 136 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:45.759 for this one fabulous looking forward. Looking forward, I am going to sort 137 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:54.440 of play before we get into it, a spoken world piece and the topic 138 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:58.120 or the message in that is anxiety a fight to be okay. And that 139 00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:05.000 is because today we are following on on our series bringing Down Stronghold, and 140 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:11.639 the topic or the message for today is as a man thinketh worry, fear 141 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:16.399 and an anxiety and Allison, you're going to be presenting on that and sharing 142 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:22.399 on that, and I thought this was quite a useful introduction to it. 143 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:28.480 For those of you who are listening and want to join the conversation, you 144 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:33.279 can join us on zoom. The idea is seven seven one three nine eight 145 00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:41.399 six two zero nine. Again that's seven seven one three nine eight six two 146 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:46.000 zero nine. You can join us on zoom. Allison will be presenting slides 147 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:50.480 and having a discussion there that will follow through onto the radio. If you 148 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:54.720 aren't able to join us there, that's fine. If you do want to 149 00:11:54.759 --> 00:12:00.200 be part of the conversation, the usual ways are available to you studio at 150 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:05.559 Adventist Radio dot London, studio at Adventist Radio Dot London, or you can 151 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:11.360 text us eight text us. You can text us eight triple to eight hope 152 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:18.279 space and then your message or what's up that's zero seven four five nine six 153 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:22.679 four two eight nine eight, and you can be part of the conversation. 154 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:28.480 You can send any questions that you may have, and I'm sure Allison would 155 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:33.159 be more than willing to answer them for you. Let's pray, Father, 156 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:37.960 we bless you. We thank you for another week, another Sabbath day of 157 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:41.120 rest, and another program, another important conversation that we want to have today 158 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:46.039 that we hope will make a difference to someone listening. Certainly we hope that 159 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:50.720 it will make a difference to all of us. Be with the technology that 160 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:54.279 it will work well. Be with Allison as she makes the presentation. And 161 00:12:54.320 --> 00:13:00.080 again, Lord, we ask for your Holy Spirit to take absolute control in 162 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:05.320 Jesus' name. Amen, all right, let me share this one. It's 163 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:20.159 anxiety, a fight to be okay by k soul. Initially I didn't know 164 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:22.919 what to call it, but I remember when I first felt it. I 165 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:26.720 hated the way it made me feel, but still I couldn't let people know 166 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:31.759 that I held it. It weakened me, but I refused to let people 167 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:35.200 see the weakened me. It felt like it was eating me from the inside 168 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:43.279 out, and it made me want to tear the uneasiness from my insides out. 169 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:46.879 My heart beats suited for house music, along with the heart pace, 170 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:50.600 each thought race, no route to it, the nervousness, the worry. 171 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:54.840 It sprouts too quick, the panic becomes organic, and I guess I just 172 00:13:54.879 --> 00:14:01.320 got to plow through it. So I do my best to remain The butterflies 173 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:05.879 and my stomach results in sweaty palms. Friends keep asking me why I'm so 174 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:09.799 quiet. I tell them I'm just tired and that nothing's wrong. While all 175 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:15.720 alone, I just want to go home and be alone because large crowds make 176 00:14:15.799 --> 00:14:18.759 me feel small and as though I'm in danger, and I desperately try to 177 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:24.279 keep my eye on every single stranger. Meeting a bunch of new people brings 178 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:26.600 so much pressure to my chest, and I don't talk a lot. I 179 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:31.080 often watch and I let them do the rest. Sometimes I'm scared, scared 180 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:35.480 to succeed. I mean, what if I can't keep it up, Scared 181 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:39.080 of how I'm perceived by the people who show me love, and when the 182 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:43.919 news reports another senseless killing. I am soon in gorge and an intense feeling, 183 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:48.960 thinking of the worst outcomes. I'm worry about my friends and family, 184 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:54.480 constantly wondering if we're all soon seeing a tragedy. I'm asking God to protect 185 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:58.639 them and to look after me, while I'm looking over my shoulder and around 186 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:01.039 every corner to make sure no when it's after me. And I know that's 187 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:07.679 irrational. Sometimes I feel so nervous I don't even speak properly. I know 188 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:09.679 what I want to say, but the message I try to convey comes out 189 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:16.279 sloppy. See See it's the overthinking, the self consciousness, the sleepless nights, 190 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:20.279 the nauseousness, the feeling as though I can barely breathe. But I 191 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:24.919 try not to be obvious. I feel terrified and paralyzed, and yet I 192 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:28.360 force a smigle through all of it self diagnosis. I'm calling it. This 193 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:33.200 is anxiety, and it resides in me so vibrantly, but I keep it 194 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:37.440 inside of me, quietly, outwardly smigling inward emotions collide so violently, And 195 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:41.600 if I can be a person who struggles with a moderate level of anxiety, 196 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:46.159 imagine those who deal with it severely, and how every day for them is 197 00:15:46.159 --> 00:16:02.279 a fight to breathe, a fight for peace, a fight to be okay. 198 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:07.720 I really liked and I hope you were able to hear that. I 199 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:11.279 really liked the ending. Well. I liked it all, but the ending 200 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:15.919 spoke to me a fight to be okay. And there's a slogan. I 201 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:22.080 don't know where it originated, but it's okay to be not okay. I 202 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:25.799 don't know, and you've have you heard that one? Because I think it 203 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:30.440 comes from the idea that we put on the facade. We put on our 204 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:34.919 cape, we put on our mask, and we don't let people see the 205 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:37.559 real art. We don't let people see that we are struggling. We don't 206 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:41.879 we're afraid to say we're struggling. We are ashamed to say we're struggling. 207 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:45.399 And I like that. He ends by saying, it's okay, it's okay, 208 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:48.720 and we are fighting to be okay, but it's all right not to 209 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:52.480 be okay. Yeah, I have heard that, and it's it's an interesting 210 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:57.759 one because you want to be okay, and we are encouraging to say it's 211 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:02.799 not to be okay. I guess what it is as well, is it's 212 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:06.519 it's okay to be not okay, but I'd like to add to that, 213 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:08.960 but you should still do something about that that, whether it's reaching out to 214 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:12.079 people and what have you. You know, I think the idea of you 215 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:15.720 know, I think we should be able to embrace our feelings or emotions and 216 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:19.079 everything that comes with that. There are going to be high as lows, 217 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:22.039 good days and bad days, but I wouldn't want you to stay in that 218 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:26.279 place. So it's okay to be. So it's okay to not be okay, 219 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:30.640 but it's okay to fight to be okay. Yeah, yes, And 220 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:34.799 I think you know you would want to. I think it's when and I 221 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:37.839 guess this is the kind of thing, you know, when things are up 222 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:41.400 and down, and I guess if things start to become a regular thing. 223 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:44.880 So if you are feeling very low, that's a continual thing. They often 224 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:48.480 say three four weeks something like that. You really should be reaching out for 225 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:52.680 some kind of help and support. And that could be from friends, family, 226 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:56.119 if you're close and got that kind of laship with people, or it 227 00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:59.920 could be going right through to two a GP or a therapist. So there's 228 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:03.240 odd one. Because we're not comfortable and we're not comfortable in that place, 229 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:06.880 like he said, we don't want to kind of admit that things aren't going 230 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:10.599 great and we need help and everything else. You know, we're very used 231 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:14.920 to trying to be strong and you know, trying to do everything, get 232 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:18.720 everything done. The idea of that being the case could be seen as a 233 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:23.160 failure. So there's so many things wraps up him. Now. Yeah, 234 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:29.480 yeah, he explains, yes, And I like that he's explaining it's a 235 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:33.400 struggle. And Alison, I know in your presentation you will get to that 236 00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:37.279 it's a struggle. It's it's not something that happens, you know, by 237 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:41.839 the snap of a finger or any other magical one that we might might waive. 238 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:45.200 Is a struggle. It is a fight. Sometimes it's a daily struggle. 239 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:49.440 For most of us, it is perhaps a daily struggle. But by 240 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:53.559 God's grace, with as you said, Angela, with the support that we 241 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:57.599 can have around us or we can reach out to, then it is a 242 00:18:57.599 --> 00:19:02.400 fight that we can win. Absolutely God can give us the victory for so, 243 00:19:02.519 --> 00:19:06.200 I'm I'm looking forward to this conversation Alson. I know you'll take us 244 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:10.279 back a little bit, cause we did start the series last week but I'm 245 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:14.680 looking forward to what we can learn about these very serious issues. I mean, 246 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:18.640 the the Spoken Word goes on to give statistics, but they are relevant 247 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:22.039 to the US, but I know and I will we will share some statistics 248 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:27.000 for the UK. But anxiety is one of the most prevalent mental health illnesses 249 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:36.400 and so many are silent or silently fighting it that it's important to have this 250 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:40.599 conversations. And I'm really really happy that Allison decided that she was willing to 251 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:45.119 do this series with us and to raise awareness for these really important topics and 252 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:49.759 issues. Alison, can I at this point then throw the conversation over to 253 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:55.559 you. Let me just remind persons who may want to join on zoom it's 254 00:19:55.680 --> 00:20:00.720 seven seven one three nine eight six two zero nine. Just come on feel 255 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:04.519 free. We'll let you on there. There'll be a presentation and there'll be 256 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:15.400 opportunities to share your comments, to commentary and to ask your questions as well. 257 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:19.039 Okay, thank you so much, Xenia. Good evening everyone, it's 258 00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:23.759 good to be back with you this week. Yes, we did start the 259 00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:30.000 series last week. We had an overview and introduction of the series, so 260 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:34.160 if you've missed it, I will do a quick recap on some of the 261 00:20:34.240 --> 00:20:37.279 key things that we looked at last week, and then we'll move on to 262 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:45.920 this week's topic. So, just by way of recap, the text that 263 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:52.079 we're using as the focus text is taken from Second Corinthians, Chapter ten, 264 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:56.720 verses three to five, and it rates for though we walk in the flesh, 265 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:02.319 we do not war against the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare 266 00:21:02.559 --> 00:21:07.480 are not cannal, but mighty in God, for pulling down strongholds, casting 267 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:12.000 down arguments, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, 268 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:18.680 bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ. So that's the 269 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:26.880 focused text for the rest of the series. So the reason why we are 270 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:36.240 doing this really is just to encourage people to live life more abundantly. Christ 271 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:41.119 said in the Gospel of John ten verse ten, I have come that they 272 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:47.079 may have life, which means us, and have it more abundantly. So 273 00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:53.000 we really want to experience abundant life for ourselves and for those people around us 274 00:21:53.039 --> 00:22:00.119 to experience abundant life mentally, physically, emotional, emotional, and spiritually. 275 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:08.279 We're looking after our wellbeing. So last week we talked about strongholds, understanding 276 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:12.759 strongholds, what are our strongholds? And we talked about the fact that when 277 00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:19.680 Paul was writing to the people in Corinth, he used the analogy of a 278 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:26.680 stronghold, a tower with very high walls and a portress and captains inside, 279 00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:33.640 you know, defending, strategizing, just making sure that people are safe. 280 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:40.759 And really, what is a stronghold. A stronghold in physical terms can be 281 00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:45.400 a fortified place, a place where a particular course of belief is strongly upheld. 282 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:52.359 From a kind of mental psychological perspective, and when we're looking at it 283 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:56.759 spiritually or mentally, we're talking about walls of resistance in the mind. So 284 00:22:56.839 --> 00:23:02.480 if we think about a portress, if we think about, maybe, for 285 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:07.440 example, the walls of Jericho, we were thinking about very high walls. 286 00:23:07.480 --> 00:23:14.079 We're thinking about a mighty tower. We're thinking about a very strong construction. 287 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:19.240 And when we think about it in psychological terms or in mental terms, we're 288 00:23:19.279 --> 00:23:25.839 talking about walls of high walls of resistance in the mind, things that are 289 00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:30.880 arguments against the truth, the character and the knowledge of God. We're talking 290 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:37.480 strongholds can be kind of positive things that keep us safe from the enemy. 291 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:41.480 But in this perspective from in this series, we're talking about what the enemy 292 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:47.279 uses to keep us down, so some of the strongholds that he uses to 293 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:52.400 hold us captive. So we're talking about things like fortress of lies in the 294 00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:59.640 mind, including sometimes things that physically speaking we might think are true, but 295 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:06.039 not the truth according to the world of God God. So strongholds from a 296 00:24:06.079 --> 00:24:11.039 spiritual perspective in this context is anything that's an obstacle to our wholesome purpose, 297 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:18.039 growth and fulfillment in life. It does hold us captive and stops us from 298 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:29.799 living life more abundantly as Christ has really purposed for us. So we talked 299 00:24:29.799 --> 00:24:36.559 about the impact on our mental and emotional wellbeing, and last week we talked 300 00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:41.279 about the fact that when we have the strongholds affect in our lives, we 301 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:48.960 then develop what we call core beliefs. Core believes normally will be negative beliefs 302 00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:53.440 about ourselves, about the environment, the world, about us around us, 303 00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:59.400 or about other people. And these core beliefs are things like, well, 304 00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:03.279 you know, I'm a failure, I'm not good enough, I'm stupid, 305 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:08.400 the world is too scary, a calm cope. Some of these negative things 306 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:15.759 that we probably keep repeating to ourselves and which have formed strong beliefs in our 307 00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:21.279 minds, and the coblists will then impact on our thoughts, which will impact 308 00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:25.559 on our feelings, which will then impact on our behaviors. And that keeps 309 00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:30.480 it kind of vicious cycle of negative thoughts, feelings, and behavior going. 310 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:37.920 And as a result, we tend to potentially view ourselves in a very negative 311 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:44.279 way. We have negative perceptions of thoughts about ourselves that are really ingrained, 312 00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:48.519 or we could have negative views about the world or about the future. So, 313 00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:55.559 you know, we are looking at bringing down these strongholds, and this 314 00:25:55.640 --> 00:26:00.000 week we're focusing on worry, fear, and anxiety. So what we're going 315 00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:07.559 to do today is that we're going to first of all, understand what worry, 316 00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:11.839 peer and anxiety is, and then we'll talk about the impact of worry, 317 00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:18.359 peer and anxiety on our wellbeing physical, emotional, spiritual, mental wellbeing, 318 00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:23.079 and then we'll go on to talk about how we bring down the strongholds 319 00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:27.519 of worry, peer and anxiety, and then we'll conclude. So we'll sort 320 00:26:27.559 --> 00:26:33.519 of break things down into four sections. And I'm just giving this overview so 321 00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:37.559 you know, people can start to think about any questions that might have along 322 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:45.039 the way. So let's start with understanding worry, peer and anxiety. The 323 00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:49.960 key text is Proverbs twenty three seven. As a man thinks in his heart, 324 00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:55.279 so is he. As a man thinks in his heart, so is 325 00:26:55.319 --> 00:27:00.319 he. When we talk about thoughts, thoughts are very important, a very 326 00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:07.000 important aspect of our lives. The average person has approximately forty eight pots a 327 00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:11.400 minute. It might not seem like it, We might not realize that, 328 00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:15.160 you know, we have that many thoughts, but we do have that many 329 00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:19.440 thoughts on average. Some people slightly less, some people slightly more, but 330 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:26.279 not on average, approximately forty eight thoughts per minute, which means approximately seventy 331 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:33.680 thousand thoughts a day and approximately for an average person twenty five million thoughts a 332 00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:40.279 year. When we think about our brain, and I know that sometimes because 333 00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:42.680 we don't see our brain, we don't think about our brain much, but 334 00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:49.079 we do, hopefully all have brains. And the brain is very complex machine, 335 00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:53.599 and it's the powerhouse of the body. And the win does have about 336 00:27:53.720 --> 00:28:00.480 one hundred billion cells. And the cells in the brain, the longer living 337 00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:07.279 cells that powered by something what we call neuro transmit first that develop pathways in 338 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:14.279 the brain and the thoughts that we have created a reality by going down the 339 00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:17.680 same frequency in the brain over and over again. So if you think about 340 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:22.200 walking down a path, and if you keep stepping on the same section of 341 00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:27.079 the path over and over again, that you form a pathway. And it's 342 00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:33.880 a similar thing that happens to the brain. Our thoughts carry electrical impulses that 343 00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:40.799 fire messages in our brain and form deep pathways which determine our thinking habits, 344 00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:45.319 which thereby affect how we feel. So if you think about well, if 345 00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:48.440 you think, oh, today was quite rubbish, you're not going to feel 346 00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:52.519 happy, not that you thought today was rubbish. You will feel probably a 347 00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:56.799 bitlow, a bit sad, and that's probably going to impact on behavior. 348 00:28:56.960 --> 00:29:00.799 And we'll help we look at that a bit more when we talk about the 349 00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:07.839 kind of visual cycle of anxiety. So the thoughts that we have repeatedly become 350 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:11.119 ingrained in our minds. And one of the things that we'll talk about later 351 00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:15.480 is the fact that thoughts are just thoughts. I think we mentioned this like 352 00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:21.160 last week. Thoughts are not actually necessarily reality. But the thoughts will start 353 00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:26.519 to become a reality for us the more we think about them, because we'll 354 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:30.799 start to connect emotionally with them and will start to behave in ways that will 355 00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:37.640 reinforce those thoughts. And that's how really we start to form strongholds in our 356 00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:45.799 minds of worry, of fear, of anxiety. So let's start by looking 357 00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:52.240 at worry. What actually is worry. Worry really is a set of mental 358 00:29:52.400 --> 00:30:00.319 and emotional responses to something that's unknown, something that's uncertain, something that we 359 00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:07.200 anticipate will happen, but not necessarily happening. So we have worry that is 360 00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:11.400 based on something that's actually happening, and that's what we call real worry. 361 00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:17.640 And then we have worried that's based on something that we anticipate might happen, 362 00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:23.680 and that's what we call hypothetical worry. So you know, there's various degrees 363 00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:30.720 of worry, and in reality, worry is something that we all experience, 364 00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:34.759 and it's not necessarily always bad to worry. You know, I think that 365 00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:38.640 if you're crossing a road, I think you should be a bit concerned or 366 00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:44.279 a bit worried about whether there's a car coming or not. So you know, 367 00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:52.200 to the extent that the degree of worry that we experience is proportionate to 368 00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:57.319 the threats that that might be in the environment. That's okay. It starts 369 00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:06.680 to become a problem when there's no rational reason for having a worry, so 370 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:12.240 there's no threats or the level of threats is really very small compared to the 371 00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:18.200 extent to which we worry. And sometimes we worry about things that might happen 372 00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:22.720 which there's no evidence that will happen, have not happened, and then that 373 00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:29.160 becomes a chain reaction of hypothetical worries, so worrying about something that doesn't actually 374 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:36.200 exist, and then we have fear. So we're talking about worry, fear, 375 00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:41.680 and anxiety. What is fear. Fear is usually experienced in response to 376 00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:45.839 an immediate danger. So we've seen, for example, a dog that looks 377 00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:53.039 a bit scary or alion and we kind of that trigger us fear. And 378 00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:59.000 this is happening because we have a part of the brain called the amid dealer, 379 00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:04.720 which it's like the alarm system of the body. So when when we 380 00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:08.440 see something in the environment that we think it's that that poses a level of 381 00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:15.359 thread, the aniic dealer, which has no kind of logical way of reasoning, 382 00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:21.920 will be triggered and that will fire off messages to parts of our body 383 00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:25.799 and that will produce adrenaline in excess, which will cause us to want to 384 00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:34.440 escape, run or fight back to protect ourselves. So that's where the fight 385 00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:39.160 or flight response comes from. So Pierre is usually experiencing response to an immediate 386 00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:44.680 danger, and when when we perceive that there's a danger, we do have 387 00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:50.640 biological chemical responses that are happening. And normally, if it's just peer it 388 00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:57.599 dissipitates once the thread is no longer present, and then we have anxiety. 389 00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:05.440 Anxiety is where we have excessive or hypothetical worry. We've just talked about worry, 390 00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:07.640 and we just talked about sometimes worries can be real. So we have 391 00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:12.559 an exam and we're worried about how we're going to perform in that exam. 392 00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:15.599 That drives us to do something, drives us to do some revision. That's 393 00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:19.359 a real worry. We can do something about it. We have to do 394 00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:24.400 something about it. A hypothetical worry we think that if we go out there, 395 00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:29.599 somebody might attack us. Well, there's no evidence that there's somebody out 396 00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:32.319 there. It's just something that we're thinking about. It might never happen. 397 00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:38.000 It hasn't happened. There's no evidence. That's a hypothetical worry, So when 398 00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:45.559 that becomes excessive, then that starts to create anxiety. Anxiety is also based 399 00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:51.119 on irrational and sometimes rational beliefs. So you know, if you think about 400 00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:53.880 the media, there's a lot of stuff going on that all. There's conspiracy 401 00:33:53.960 --> 00:34:00.880 theories out there that will rationally cause us to have a level of excess worry, 402 00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:07.400 excess fear causing us to feel anxious. Anxiety could be based on past 403 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:15.760 experience, past experiences with no basis in the present time. So something's happened 404 00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:22.239 in the past that we focus on and there's no basis, there's no evidence, 405 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:24.920 there's nothing to suggest that that same thing is going to happen. But 406 00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:30.480 because that information from past experience is taught in our minds, we worry, 407 00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:37.760 we have anxiety. Anxiety is also an attitude of a strong desire to control 408 00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:43.400 the future. And I know that a lot of us want to have control. 409 00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:46.519 We want to control everything. We want to control what's going to happen 410 00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:53.280 tomorrow. And there's nothing wrong with planning that we can't we can't ultimately control 411 00:34:53.320 --> 00:35:00.400 everything. We can plan, but we can't control everything. Anxiety often spirals 412 00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:07.280 out of control and eventually becomes a disorder. A disorder is something that impacts 413 00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:10.880 on our day to day living. So we'll have a look at the various 414 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:17.719 anxiety disorders in a minute. But yeah, when we have this hypothetical, 415 00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:23.519 worries become a chain reaction. Sometimes people actually think, well, actually it's 416 00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:29.400 a good thing to worry. Worry is good because it gets me doing things, 417 00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:32.840 and then the other people who think, I must never worry now in 418 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:40.400 both situations, that just creates anxiety. Anxiety can manifest in different ways as 419 00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:47.400 different types of anxiety disorders and increase, and it's increasingly common among all groups 420 00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:52.320 of people. We live in a world where everyone's very busy. Everyone's trying 421 00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:57.559 to achieve everyone's trying to you know, multitask can do one hundred and one 422 00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:02.800 things at once. Everyone's trying to meet expectations on social media, within their 423 00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:09.079 communities, within family. So people are feeling more and more pressured, and 424 00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:15.199 more and more people are suffering from different types of anxiety disorders. And it's 425 00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:21.199 happening across all groups of people within society. So how does the cycle of 426 00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:27.039 anxiety happen So normally most of the time festival it starts with thought thoughts. 427 00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:30.400 So we have thoughts like something bad's going to happen to me, I'm not 428 00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:35.360 going to be able to cope, And with that we start to feel a 429 00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:40.760 rush of adrenaline. That adrenaline, because it's excess chemicals in the body, 430 00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:45.760 will cause us to feel tense, will make our hearts to raise bit even 431 00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:52.840 faster. Sometimes our breathing becomes shallow, we become shaky, light headed, 432 00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:58.280 sweaty, headaches, chet spains, all sorts of biological reactions can go on 433 00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:04.039 because of anxiety. Sometimes people think, oh, I'm quite unwell, and 434 00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:06.960 you go to the doctors and they say, actually, there's nothing wrong with 435 00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:12.320 you physically, go and see a therapist eventually, when after they've exhausted all 436 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:17.360 the texts. Sometimes that's what anxiety does. Let's remember the brain is a 437 00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:23.719 part of the body that's very complex and where chemicals are being it's triggering chemicals 438 00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:30.880 to be produced in the body that will cause physiological responses. So when we 439 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:34.840 have thoughts that something that's going to happen, we have the rush of adrenaline. 440 00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:40.840 We start to feel anxious. That's followed by behaviors, behaviors where we 441 00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:45.639 want to either escape, run away. We want to avoid situations, we 442 00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:51.920 make excuses, we want to isolate ourselves from other people. That when we 443 00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:55.800 engage in these behaviors, which at that moment in time feel safe, we 444 00:37:55.880 --> 00:38:01.920 call them safety behaviors. What those safety behaviors will do is that there will 445 00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:10.360 reinforce the thoughts that will reinforce the anxious feelings that will then again reinforce those 446 00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:15.840 behaviors, and that becomes a vicious cycle, and that's what keeps the cycle 447 00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:22.599 of anxiety going. So we've talked about worry, We've talked about fear, 448 00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:29.400 we've talked about anxiety. There is a difference between There are differences between the 449 00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:36.239 three. Sometimes we use the word the terms interchangeably, but there are differences 450 00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:43.079 anxiety versus worry. What is anxiety? Anxiety is persistent, it's unchanging with 451 00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:47.920 circumstances. It is something that you feel happening, and it's constant. It 452 00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:54.360 affects your daily life or physical health. Health is inescapable. You really start 453 00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:59.280 to need to do things to help yourself or start to need to get seek 454 00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:05.639 some help. It's overwhelming, okay, And anxiety disorders can be quite serious 455 00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:13.280 psychological issues that would need the intervention of a professional. So that's anxiety. 456 00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:16.960 But when we talk about worry, we're talking about something that's temporary. If 457 00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:22.280 it's not hypothetical that keeps going on in excess, it's just a worry. 458 00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:28.400 It's circumstantial. It does an impact on daily life. Necessarily, it can 459 00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:34.239 go away once you away, when you know the outcome. So you can 460 00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:37.280 worry about something. I worry about the fact that if I don't look when 461 00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:43.119 I'm crossing the road, I might get hit by a car. I've looked 462 00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:45.480 to the left, to the right, across the road. I don't need 463 00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:52.199 to worry anymore. What's common to fear and anxiety. What's come on to 464 00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:59.000 anxiety and worry is feelings of fear or concern for people and situations. Okay, 465 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:07.000 so anxiety. When we come across anxiety, what do we see in 466 00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:13.199 somebody who is anxious. It's like an iceberg. So I've got on the 467 00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:17.159 screen an iceberg, and when we have looked at the tip of the iceberg, 468 00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:22.480 we only see about a tenth of the iceberg, and most of it 469 00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:28.960 is submerged underwater. The behaviors that we see at the tip of the iceberg. 470 00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:34.880 So when somebody's feeling anxious. We see anger. Sometimes that's manifesting us 471 00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:40.079 anger. They can't sleep properly. We see people being avoidance, negative, 472 00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:46.920 challenging, defiance, you know, all of these behaviors that are manifested. 473 00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:55.239 But it's really important that we understand the emotions that drive what we see as 474 00:40:55.239 --> 00:41:00.559 the tip of the iceberg. So some of the emotions could that maybe something 475 00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:08.039 feels insecure in a particular environment. Maybe there's been disrespected and they don't know 476 00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:14.039 what to do, the feel offended, the feel stock in a certain environmental 477 00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:20.559 situation, Maybe they're grieving. Maybe that feel that feel helpless or ashamed, 478 00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:27.239 or maybe the feel embarrassed or disgusted, or maybe the feel lonely or tired, 479 00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:31.079 or that feel rejected. Rejection is another topic that we're going to look 480 00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:36.320 at in the series. Depression is another topic that we're going to look at. 481 00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:38.760 Anger, it's another topic that we're going to look at. All of 482 00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:45.960 these things are the emotions that are underlying the behavior that we see as anxiety, 483 00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:52.840 which can manifest as avoidance, anger, negativity, challenging, defiance behavior. 484 00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:59.920 So the Bible says that be anxious for nothing, but we prayer suftly 485 00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:06.199 and in thanksgiving, make your request known to God. God who knows each 486 00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:14.719 one of us, will understand the feelings that sits underneath the anxiety that we 487 00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:19.679 see manifested. So when we see people around us who are anxious, when 488 00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:24.199 we see people around us who are perhaps displaying a level of anger that we 489 00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:30.800 actually don't understand, perhaps maybe let's try to find out what other emotions are 490 00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:35.880 underlying. Because if we can think of the root cause of the issue, 491 00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:40.239 then we can really start to effectively address the issue. So that's looking at 492 00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:45.840 anxiety, worry, and fear. I think we can just kind of take 493 00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:50.840 some time now and when we come back, we'll be looking at the impact 494 00:42:51.159 --> 00:42:55.039 of this on our well being. Wow, thank you so much, Alison, 495 00:42:55.119 --> 00:43:00.840 Already I feel full. I really like the analogy that you've given there 496 00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:06.760 of the iceberg. It just goes to show that we don't really know the 497 00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:09.760 full details. It brings me to the point where you know, you don't 498 00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:14.639 know how people are living you until you've walked in their shoes, and you 499 00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:17.000 don't know what's going on with people just based on the tip of the icebod 500 00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:23.320 that you've You've shared the anger and all that may just be what's underlying. 501 00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:27.239 You know, they may be embarrassed, they may be hurting, they may 502 00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:30.280 be sort of grieving and all that, but what we see is the attitude 503 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:36.000 that we don't know how to explain and may offend us or you know, 504 00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:39.440 et cetera. But we start judging or pulling away without going in depth and 505 00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:44.440 trying to understand what people are going through. And yeah, I really like 506 00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:50.960 that analogy really did and you did anything come out at you from that first? 507 00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:54.119 Yeah? I think also just kind of it was really interesting to hear 508 00:43:54.159 --> 00:44:00.239 the differences between you know, worrying and how it can I guess ultimately it 509 00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:06.280 feels like it's when you're worrying spirals out of control and how you and allow 510 00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:09.119 yourself to get to that point because worrying, I mean as in you sort 511 00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:10.880 of sitting. Then there are things that we are going to worry about, 512 00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:16.239 which it seems quite normal and natural. But I also think sometimes when we 513 00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:20.039 let it go too far, that's when we're gonna being problems. And it 514 00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:23.159 just reminded me of a quote the Couple that are quite similar, like worrying 515 00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:25.880 is like being in a rocking chair. It gives you something to do but 516 00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:32.480 you go nowhere, or worrying is like Karen an umbrella just waiting for it 517 00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:36.800 to rain. So are different kind of aspects of that in the sense of, 518 00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:38.719 you know, with the rocking chair, yes you can worry, but 519 00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:43.280 actually it's not really helping the situation. You think, oh, I'm thinking 520 00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:45.480 of all these things, and you know, just in case someone have you, 521 00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:51.239 And that's when we start to overthink. Our thoughts take over and starts 522 00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:53.360 to spiral out of control, you know, and that kind of then feeds 523 00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:58.880 into the other thoughts that continue until you know, we get too anxiety. 524 00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:01.440 And that's a really simplified version of what you know, we've been talking about 525 00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:06.679 cerdainly with like Karen an umbrella waiting for a rain. While I might think 526 00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:10.599 I've I'm prepared and what have you, actually perhaps not, because that's where 527 00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:15.320 sometimes the irrational the irrationality comes in where you're just thinking what if, what 528 00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:20.079 if? What if? But actually sometimes you just have to kind of you 529 00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:22.719 know, you carry on, allow things to be happening. What have you. 530 00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:27.079 I'm also being prepared, but to a point where you go to the 531 00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:30.000 other extreme is ever going to be helpful. So it was quite interesting to 532 00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:36.480 sort of see how easily I guess at times we can let our worry fed 533 00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:42.920 into the anxiety and sometimes there is a lot of irrationality with it, you 534 00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:45.400 know, and you know, all to be all do it, I'm sure, 535 00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:50.079 but how easy it can go from one thing to the other. So, 536 00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:52.440 you know, I think that's kind of that's what was coming to mind 537 00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:58.199 during that, and how sort of it's easy to me to say don't worry. 538 00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:01.639 But you know, I've been there was a popular top up people though, 539 00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:05.239 don't worry, be happy, And you think, I wonder how easy 540 00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:07.639 that that possibly could be. Yeah, so maybe we're going to hear some 541 00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:13.840 obvious heaps and tips on how we can combat that. But sometimes if we 542 00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:17.159 spend a lot of time worrying and we couldn't you know, we've been talking 543 00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:21.519 a little bit about, Yeah it is you know, we're also standing on 544 00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:24.480 God's promises and remembering what it's going to do for us. That'd be anxious 545 00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:30.920 for nothing if we really believe that would be we shouldn't be shouldn't it be 546 00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:34.079 easy to be able to do that? And that's kind of a question, 547 00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:37.840 is it put out there? But yeah, that's that's what my thoughts were. 548 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:40.840 I'm not sure where thank you, Angie. I'm not sure where Pedro 549 00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:44.559 is. I'm not sure if he's there or he's sort of working in the 550 00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:47.199 background. I know he was having internet trouble, but that brings me nicely. 551 00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:51.400 We're going to take a break on the song, but just a question 552 00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.199 to pose to our listeners and if anyone's on zoom, I'm not sure, 553 00:46:54.159 --> 00:47:00.519 what are you worrying about? Oh there is, I bet you. No 554 00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:04.960 worries, No worries? What about you? Did you have any quick takeaways 555 00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:09.239 from from that? First? For me personally, I would the other way. 556 00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:14.880 I start thinking about you know, you talk to people or people sometimes 557 00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:20.239 are a certain way to watch you, and you take we take offense by 558 00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:22.800 it, and you say, oh, they're just mean or they're just nasty. 559 00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:25.960 But now, looking at like that Iceberg thing that Allison put up, 560 00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:31.480 you don't realize what they may be going through, and they may not. 561 00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:35.039 It's not that they're taking it out of you. It's just you just happen 562 00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:38.559 to be in their line of sight in a sense, and so like now, 563 00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:43.079 it just makes you think, like now, maybe if we were to 564 00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:49.960 be more mindful, just bele just be more concerning or more like you know, 565 00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:52.559 try to find out or just in a in a Suddain way, just 566 00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:57.880 you know, not take have kind of thick skin and not take it personally 567 00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:01.480 sometimes and just like action, you know, is everything okay? Because that's 568 00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:06.079 just the different things like she said, like you see all that that you 569 00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:09.639 don't realize that along with somebody being angry, it's so much stuff why they're 570 00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:14.039 angry? Are they embarrassed? Are they depressed? Are they you know, 571 00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:16.639 it's like it's so many different factors that you now just start thinking about, 572 00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:21.280 like what's really going on with this person? So you start caring about the 573 00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:23.360 person like, Okay, is this something I can help you with? Is 574 00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:27.599 this something that's going on? It just got me thinking like in that sense 575 00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:30.800 and just the way we deal with people on a daily basis, Yeah, 576 00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:34.440 it's it's an opportunity to spring into action. Really, I think that's what 577 00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:36.960 it says to me. You know what, let's let's see if we can 578 00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:42.519 care for that. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Like I'm not messing up 579 00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:45.280 there and they just they're just nasty. I'm not even gonna deal with them. 580 00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:47.519 But we don't really look at you know, don't get me wrong with 581 00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:53.480 pet some people are nasty. Let's let's let's let's make that listen. My 582 00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:57.719 wife will tell you. I give you a chance, and if you still 583 00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:00.159 show it that then I am done. But yeah, you can, you 584 00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:04.320 can try and care. And some people are just quick to just you know, 585 00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:07.000 cut, just like I'm not, you know, but sometimes you have 586 00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:10.440 to get to the underlying factor of you know, of why they are the 587 00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:14.239 way that they are, you know, because like as I said, there's 588 00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:17.039 so many factors that could be going on in that person's life and they're not 589 00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:20.440 even mad at you. It just happen. You just happen to be there. 590 00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:22.719 So it seemed like they're taking it out on you, but they're not. 591 00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:27.000 They just got so much other stuff going on in their life. Absolutely, 592 00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:30.719 Uh, the question I want to ask our listeners and again it's eight 593 00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:34.280 trip two eight, I'm space, I'm hope space. And then your message 594 00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:38.239 or zero seven four five nine six four two eight nine eight you can send 595 00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:44.199 a WhatsApp or if you're further afiel, it's studio at Adventist Radio dot London 596 00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:46.559 and you can still join us on zoom. Let me find the details to 597 00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:52.519 share with you. It is. The idea is seven seven one three nine 598 00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:58.440 eight six two zero nine. Again, that's seven seven to one three nine 599 00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:01.639 eight six two zero nine. And we want to just kind of get an 600 00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:05.639 idea of what you are worried about at the moment. What are some of 601 00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:08.719 the things that you are worrying about. I know, and I've said it 602 00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:12.639 time and time again, You're maybe tired of hearing it. I am worried. 603 00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:16.039 I've got a sixteen year old black boy raising in a community that's not 604 00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:23.079 all together safe. Again. I put my butt guardline there because really that's 605 00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:27.239 all I can do is trust him. But I worry. I mean, 606 00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:35.079 these streets are unsafe at best, terrifying at worst, and I worry about 607 00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:38.119 him. And that's me as a parent. Don't don't ask me what I'm 608 00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:43.199 worrying about as a daughter, Don't ask me what I'm worrying about as an 609 00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:49.000 employee manager. This goes on and on and on, and what what are 610 00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:52.400 some of the things that you're worrying about? And do you think do you 611 00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:57.559 think that as Christians it shows that we have a lack of faith if we 612 00:50:57.639 --> 00:51:00.039 do worry. That's a question I want to know. Does that make me 613 00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:07.519 an immature Christian or a weak Christian. If i am worried about my son, 614 00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:09.480 or I'm worried about how I'm going to make ends meet, I'm worried 615 00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:14.760 about my health or my family's health. What do you think about that? 616 00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:17.920 Again? Looking forward to hearing. It's better when it's interactive. 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We are here 636 00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:34.000 to listen. Well. Welcome to Talking Point with Ray Send you poo Joe 637 00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:39.239 Angeler discussing the hot topics and answering your questions Saturday's five to seven pm on 638 00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:45.840 Adventist Radio. Linding this talking Point. It's talking Point, it's talking Point, 639 00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:54.400 It's talking Point, real conversations you need to have. Welcome back to 640 00:56:54.760 --> 00:57:01.239 Talking Point and we're in the middle of our series bringing Down Strongholds, led 641 00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:07.480 by Alison A. Wuku, And this afternoon's topic is as a man thinketh 642 00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:12.639 worry, fear and anxiety just before we went on break, I was asking 643 00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:15.840 the question, what are you worried about? We're still looking forward to your 644 00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:20.159 answers that we will impact later. What are you worried about? And do 645 00:57:20.360 --> 00:57:28.360 you think that worrying anxiety shows a lack of faith? Alison, I'm going 646 00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:30.079 to throw it right back over to you so that you can pick it up 647 00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:34.559 from there. Okay, thanks An. So, just before we went on 648 00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:38.320 the break, we looked at actually really understanding what worry, fear, and 649 00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:43.880 anxiety are. And now we're just going to look at the impact on our 650 00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:47.960 wellbeing because, like we said, we want to look at the how these 651 00:57:49.039 --> 00:57:53.239 things are impacting our wellbeing, how strongholds are being formed and impact in our 652 00:57:53.280 --> 00:58:00.519 wellbeing. So let's start by looking at the impact physical symptoms of anxiety. 653 00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:06.000 I think we've touched on some of them, so increased muscular tension, we 654 00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:09.960 have discomfort, headaches. We talked about having the excess adrenaline, and that's 655 00:58:10.039 --> 00:58:16.800 what really is causing chemical reactions in the body, causing muscular tension, rapid 656 00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:22.840 breathing, we feel sometimes light headed, shaky, We might feel pins and 657 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:29.559 needles, rising blood pressure, pounding, heart changes in the blood supply to 658 00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:37.840 a digestive system, which can cause nausea, sickness, also urgency in needing 659 00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:40.960 to use the toilet, butterflies in our stomachs, and more. There could 660 00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:45.880 be more chest pains and all sorts of you know, you can just imagine 661 00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:50.679 if you have a lot of anxiety, how you feel. It's different for 662 00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:57.079 different people, but definitely some people most people won't feel some of these physical 663 00:58:57.679 --> 00:59:02.519 symptoms. In terms of anxiety disorders, now we're going really going into the 664 00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:09.519 mental health aspect. So we have what we call common anxiety disorders. These 665 00:59:09.559 --> 00:59:16.239 are the anxiety disorders that we see quite frequently within society. We have what 666 00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:24.159 we call generalized anxiety disorder GOD and generalized anxiety disorder is basically when we just 667 00:59:24.400 --> 00:59:30.599 worry about most things, including the fact that we're worried, you know. 668 00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:36.840 So it's that just general tendency to worry. And when we talk about generalized 669 00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:40.159 anxiety disorder, we start to look at, you know, what a person's 670 00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:45.559 believes are. Remember at the start I talked about core beliefs, and beliefs 671 00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:51.280 are very important what we choose to believe. If we choose to believe that 672 00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:54.880 it's necessary for us to worry all the time, then we're going to adopt 673 00:59:55.000 --> 01:00:01.159 a mindset of worry, and we're going to be constantly worrying, or sometimes 674 01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:09.119 we might think we mustn't worry about anything whatsoever, And so the least worry 675 01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:15.800 or consent we have just generates even more worry because we're worried about the fact 676 01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:20.519 that we're worried, and then our lives become this ball of worry, and 677 01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:28.199 it can be quite debilitating actually, because it can stop us from just experiencing 678 01:00:28.599 --> 01:00:34.119 normal day to day life because we have then all this production of adrenaline in 679 01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:39.480 the body, causing all of physical symptoms as well. It keeps us in 680 01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:45.079 a form of hyper activity, which means that our brains, the part of 681 01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:52.480 our brains that would normally be able to make decisions and think and problem solve 682 01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:57.599 when we're come, it's not able to function properly, and that includes us 683 01:00:57.679 --> 01:01:04.239 spiritual well being. So the Holy Spirit communicates with us through the mind and 684 01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:07.880 through the front whal low. We need to be able to have a clear 685 01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:14.440 mind in order to interact with God effectively. So it's really important when God 686 01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:22.280 says, don't be anxious, don't worry, he understands just to answer your 687 01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:27.480 question partially, Zenya. He understands that we will worry as humans, and 688 01:01:27.559 --> 01:01:31.639 that's why he says, don't worry. So that's generalized. Anxiety is just 689 01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:37.559 worrying. There's no definite, specific thing that we're worried about. It could 690 01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:40.400 be about why, it could be about home, it could be it's everything 691 01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:46.079 and anything. And then we have social anxiety disorder, and social anxiety is 692 01:01:46.199 --> 01:01:54.239 where we are preoccupied with the fact that other people are judging us negatively. 693 01:01:54.440 --> 01:02:00.800 Other people are scrutinizing and negatively evaluating us. So what we do is we 694 01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:07.960 develop a sense of focusing so much on ourselves, how we don't look right, 695 01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:14.440 how something doesn't look right on us, how everyone else in the room 696 01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:20.079 is looking at us and criticizing us and judging us negatively. Or it could 697 01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:22.400 be when we're performing. It could be when we're doing public speaking. We 698 01:02:22.519 --> 01:02:25.880 think, you know, people are not even listening to what we're saying, 699 01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:32.440 but they're just criticizing us. Social anxiety causes us to focus on things that 700 01:02:32.559 --> 01:02:37.199 we perceive are wrong with ourselves, and that makes us even more anxious. 701 01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:45.000 In actual fact, it's likely that everyone's going about their business not really thinking 702 01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:50.760 about you, not not to not flatter people, but nobody's spending all day 703 01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:54.400 every day just looking at you to criticize you. And that's that's the cause 704 01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:59.079 of the social anxiety. I just want to say that, you know, 705 01:02:59.320 --> 01:03:05.239 sometimes where we're from collective cultures where people kind of have a say on what 706 01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:10.280 other people are doing, Individuals within those types of cultures can very quickly develop 707 01:03:10.360 --> 01:03:16.360 social anxiety, and then we've got what we call specific phobias. So that's 708 01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:22.599 when somebody has something specific that they have a fear. They have a fear 709 01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:25.840 for heights, for example, they have a fear for spiders, for example, 710 01:03:27.159 --> 01:03:31.679 they have a fear of needles, of cotton, it's something specific. 711 01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:37.840 Terribly afraid of animals, terribly afraid of dust, or something that's a phobia. 712 01:03:38.039 --> 01:03:45.559 That's a fear that's irrational, and that can really take over somebody's ability 713 01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:50.400 to just experience life normally, god with friends, you know, have a 714 01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:54.599 nice social experience because they have a specific phobia. It can stop people from 715 01:03:54.679 --> 01:04:00.239 getting the types of treatment that might be necessary if they have a phobia for 716 01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:06.280 needles, for example. So it's an irrational fear for something specific, and 717 01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:11.599 that becomes a disorder. It gets when that fear gets in the way of 718 01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:15.280 our day to day normal life, and then we've got what we call panic 719 01:04:16.039 --> 01:04:23.960 disorder and agrophobia, and panic is where is This type of anxiety disorder is 720 01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:29.920 quite different from the other types of anxiety disorder in the sense that with panic, 721 01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:36.559 you start to feel the physiological effects of the anxiety before you notice the 722 01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:43.000 cognitive effects the thinking what's going on in the mind. So when we go 723 01:04:43.199 --> 01:04:48.639 through maybe a certain experience or something happens in our lives, our body will 724 01:04:48.760 --> 01:04:56.239 register the impact. So if it's a heart speating very fast, and you 725 01:04:56.320 --> 01:05:00.880 know, a breathing is shallow and normally we get kind of chest pains and 726 01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:03.320 we feel like we're going to die, we can't. It's actually quite scary 727 01:05:03.400 --> 01:05:08.599 because you are not in control of what's happening in your body. But that's 728 01:05:08.599 --> 01:05:11.679 a panic attack. And for a lot of people, once they've had a 729 01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:15.599 panic attack once, they're likely to have it again because they panic about the 730 01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:19.159 fact that they're going to have another panic attack. So with panic attacks, 731 01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:28.039 it's more the physiological symptoms of anxiety happening before the cognitive symptoms of anxiety. 732 01:05:28.480 --> 01:05:33.199 And then agrophobia is where people feel kind of the fear of being trapped in 733 01:05:33.280 --> 01:05:40.639 a particular space and they have developed an anxiety. Because of that, we 734 01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:47.159 have what we call obsessive compulsive disorder OCD. Now OCD is quite serious anxiety 735 01:05:47.239 --> 01:05:51.079 disorder. I think a lot of people down played. I hear a lot 736 01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:55.440 of people say, oh, it's my OCD, it's my OCD. OCD 737 01:05:55.920 --> 01:06:00.119 can really negatively affect every aspect of a person's life. This is where a 738 01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:04.679 person has an obsession in their thoughts, in their way of thinking. So 739 01:06:04.880 --> 01:06:12.679 they think something and because what they're thinking is it's so intrusive, what they 740 01:06:12.760 --> 01:06:17.239 do is they develop behaviors that they think and hope will neutralize the thoughts, 741 01:06:17.320 --> 01:06:23.400 the intrusive thoughts that they're having. So the obsessive is the intrusive thoughts, 742 01:06:23.480 --> 01:06:28.880 and the compulsive is the behaviors that they're engaging to try and neutralize the thoughts. 743 01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:33.920 Now, those behaviors will only reinforce the intrusive thoughts. So if you 744 01:06:34.039 --> 01:06:38.320 think, well, if I don't check my door five times before I go 745 01:06:38.440 --> 01:06:42.440 to bed, something terrible is going to happen. Or there are people people 746 01:06:42.519 --> 01:06:45.800 who will switch their lights on and off about ten times, or check things, 747 01:06:46.119 --> 01:06:49.039 you know, or they have to wash their hands so many times. 748 01:06:49.519 --> 01:06:58.440 All of these compulsive behaviors will reinforce the intrusive obsessive thoughts and that keeps a 749 01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:03.519 cycle going. And at it's where OCD will impact on relationships, will impact 750 01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:08.519 on a person's day to day life. That people who have not been able 751 01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:12.239 to travel, people who have not been able to have people in their houses, 752 01:07:12.320 --> 01:07:16.679 people who clean their houses five times a day, hoover their houses ten 753 01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:21.360 times a day because they have to keep doing these things, and it's quite 754 01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:28.280 serious. OCD is quite serious. We have also health anxiety, which is 755 01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:33.239 where something is scard that they're going to have a particular illness. So and 756 01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:36.679 we can all be kind of worried and concerned that, you know, if 757 01:07:36.719 --> 01:07:41.159 we don't leave a healthy lifestyle, you know, our blood pressure is going 758 01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:44.559 to go up, or you know, sugar level is going to go up, 759 01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:47.639 or we're going to kind of have a cold or have a flu. 760 01:07:47.800 --> 01:07:55.159 But in this case, this worry consumes the individual, so the point that 761 01:07:55.320 --> 01:08:00.960 they spend all of their time checking the internet doing search about this illness that 762 01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:05.880 they're concerns are going to have and all of the activities that they do to 763 01:08:06.159 --> 01:08:12.840 kind of research this illness. All that does is reinforce the fear of the 764 01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:15.600 illness, because at the end of the day, you will find if you're 765 01:08:15.600 --> 01:08:20.920 looking for negativity, you'll find negativity. So if you're looking for negative stuff 766 01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:26.239 about, you know, particular illnesses, you go on the internet, you're 767 01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:29.960 going to find that information and that's going to make you more anxious. And 768 01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:35.199 you know, people with health anxiety will scan their bodies and if there's any 769 01:08:35.359 --> 01:08:40.520 little pain or anything, will connect it to that thing that the thing that 770 01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:45.920 illness are the thing that they're going to get. Now, if we think 771 01:08:45.960 --> 01:08:48.439 there's something wrong with us, what do we do. We go to the 772 01:08:48.520 --> 01:08:54.560 doctor, We go and get examined, It gets investigated. But people with 773 01:08:54.720 --> 01:08:59.279 health anxiety, that's not even enough. Even when the doctors are saying we've 774 01:08:59.399 --> 01:09:02.680 checked you out and there's nothing wrong with you, they are still convinced that 775 01:09:02.720 --> 01:09:06.319 they're going to get this illness, you know. So that's another one that 776 01:09:06.479 --> 01:09:13.520 can be quite tricky to treat. And then we've got post traumatic stress disorder, 777 01:09:14.119 --> 01:09:17.960 which is where we've had a major traumatic event like maybe a road traffic 778 01:09:18.119 --> 01:09:26.159 accident or sexual abuse or really bad physical abuse or death, we've lost something 779 01:09:26.319 --> 01:09:31.119 very close to us, and that we experience trauma, what we call trauma 780 01:09:31.239 --> 01:09:38.960 with the capital T. And this is one big major event that really keeps 781 01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:44.640 playing back in our minds. So with PTSD, what we experience is all 782 01:09:44.720 --> 01:09:49.600 of the effects of that event playing back on us over and over again, 783 01:09:49.720 --> 01:09:57.560 and not effects just mentally, but also physically. We literally experience the way 784 01:09:57.640 --> 01:10:02.159 we felt maybe when we had a or traffic accident, the kind of tension, 785 01:10:02.720 --> 01:10:10.760 the hihyper vigilance, the smell, the sounds, anything that triggers any 786 01:10:10.840 --> 01:10:15.319 memory takes us back to you know, that place and what there's a lot 787 01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:20.640 of avoidance of any triggers of that event. So that's PTSD is also quite 788 01:10:20.800 --> 01:10:26.560 a serious anxiety disorder. Can we have people who have more than one. 789 01:10:27.199 --> 01:10:31.239 Absolutely, If we've got somebody who was, for example, let's just say 790 01:10:31.359 --> 01:10:36.880 sexually abused as a child, it's very likely that they suffered PTSD. They 791 01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:43.000 keep getting that, they keep re experiencing that event over and over riggain. 792 01:10:44.359 --> 01:10:48.000 They could probably possibly have health anxiety. They might think, oh, you 793 01:10:48.079 --> 01:10:54.840 know, because of this, I'm going to It's possible that have contracted an 794 01:10:54.960 --> 01:10:59.119 illness or a disease. A lot of the time, you know, people 795 01:10:59.199 --> 01:11:03.239 who have been a bit used will feel maybe dirty, will have an obsession 796 01:11:03.399 --> 01:11:08.279 with or intrusive thoughts about, you know, that same thing happening or the 797 01:11:08.359 --> 01:11:12.680 fact that that dirty. You find people cleaning themselves over and over again. 798 01:11:12.760 --> 01:11:17.000 I've seen come across people who actually use bleach and detergent to clean themselves, 799 01:11:17.079 --> 01:11:21.079 clean their hands, and you know, when you delve deeper, you find 800 01:11:21.199 --> 01:11:28.239 some really horrendous stories about what they've been through. People who have panic attacks 801 01:11:28.439 --> 01:11:31.439 as a direct result, could have panic attacks as a direct result of that. 802 01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:36.000 Could have if something has been kind of sexually abused by the opposite sex, 803 01:11:36.199 --> 01:11:42.199 could have a specific bubia for anybody of that opposite sex. Might might 804 01:11:42.399 --> 01:11:45.960 just have totally avoid them, would have a fear, an irrational fear that 805 01:11:46.159 --> 01:11:50.840 if they're around anybody like that that are going to kind of be abused again. 806 01:11:53.039 --> 01:11:56.680 They could experience social anxiety because they could think, well, everybody knows 807 01:11:57.279 --> 01:12:01.479 what's happened, everybody thinks that it's my fault, and would stay away from 808 01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:04.560 people. And the more you stay away from people, the more that social 809 01:12:04.920 --> 01:12:09.760 anxiety is reinforced. And of course they would worry about everything and anything, 810 01:12:09.880 --> 01:12:15.239 so could have generalized anxiety disorders. So a lot of these disorders are called 811 01:12:15.319 --> 01:12:19.920 mobid. They are existing alongside each other. It's really really interesting. It's 812 01:12:19.960 --> 01:12:28.039 really really important that you know, we understand that anxiety can be quite a 813 01:12:28.399 --> 01:12:36.000 serious mental, psychological emotional illness, and that we help people we understand potentially, 814 01:12:36.399 --> 01:12:41.640 you know, what might have triggered that anxiety, and understand that, 815 01:12:42.399 --> 01:12:45.920 you know, sometimes it's not their fault. You know, sometimes we can 816 01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:47.520 be quick to say, oh, don't worry, don't worry, it's fine, 817 01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:51.239 you know, and yeah, maybe it will be fine. But like 818 01:12:51.399 --> 01:12:56.960 we had a look at the eyesbreak, imagine somebody's gone through kind of very 819 01:12:57.079 --> 01:13:03.319 difficult early life experiences, maybe neglect, maybe physical abuse, maybe verbal abuse, 820 01:13:03.439 --> 01:13:12.239 maybe emotional abuse or sexual abuse, that sort of thing. You know, 821 01:13:12.880 --> 01:13:17.079 the embarrassment, the rejection, the helplessness, all of those emotions that 822 01:13:17.199 --> 01:13:24.199 we looked at in the anxiety iceberg could come into play. And you know, 823 01:13:24.520 --> 01:13:29.119 we might not really understand because we don't expect everyone to go around telling 824 01:13:29.239 --> 01:13:32.119 us what's happened to them. But I guess the point is we can be 825 01:13:32.199 --> 01:13:36.000 a bit more compassionate and for some of us. Some of these things have 826 01:13:36.199 --> 01:13:42.399 happened to us, and yes, we can be compassionate to ourselves as well. 827 01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:51.800 So those are the kind of common mental, emotional, psychological impacts of 828 01:13:53.600 --> 01:14:00.680 anxiety, right, I think I'm just going to pause there. Yes, 829 01:14:00.359 --> 01:14:06.800 because it feels like I've talked a lot about people might have questions. Yeah, 830 01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:14.600 perfect, And I like how you have shared you use the analogy of 831 01:14:15.079 --> 01:14:18.039 the person who may have been sexually abused and saying how all of this can 832 01:14:18.119 --> 01:14:23.319 compound and they can Did you say coexist or comobid? Is that the term 833 01:14:23.399 --> 01:14:28.159 that you've used. So you could be OCD, you could be traumatized, 834 01:14:28.319 --> 01:14:31.800 you could have panic attacks or as a result of something that happened several years 835 01:14:31.800 --> 01:14:38.359 ago, something that happened once, or very major effent that happened so long 836 01:14:38.399 --> 01:14:41.760 ago, but it still sort of impacts how you live your life today, 837 01:14:42.399 --> 01:14:45.840 and that we can't minimize, you know, the impact of these things on 838 01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:50.479 people. We can't minimize how difficult life can be for some people or for 839 01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:57.560 all of us in some degree. And it's important I think for me from 840 01:14:57.680 --> 01:15:01.640 having these conversations, from seeing I'm being part of these presentations, is understanding 841 01:15:01.760 --> 01:15:05.840 that we are all here for each other. We need to be compassionate hearing, 842 01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:11.520 and as you rightly said in your very last sentence, we also need 843 01:15:11.600 --> 01:15:17.119 to be compassionate and caring with ourselves. And did you yeah, no, 844 01:15:17.960 --> 01:15:20.760 as you said that, I mean again, that was a really thorough run 845 01:15:20.920 --> 01:15:26.279 down of some yeah, sort of the different disorders, which there are many, 846 01:15:26.359 --> 01:15:29.159 and I guess, I guess my question would be, it was interesting 847 01:15:29.159 --> 01:15:31.840 actually looking at some of those. They're obviously from what I'm looking at, 848 01:15:31.880 --> 01:15:39.640 those diagnosed diagnosed conditions, but I think sometimes there is there are some times 849 01:15:39.720 --> 01:15:43.119 a tendency of people to kind of use some of those terms, just kind 850 01:15:43.159 --> 01:15:46.920 of use them, which I don't know where that kind of minimizes what's actually 851 01:15:46.960 --> 01:15:53.239 going on for them, or minimizes the kind of the terminology, And it's 852 01:15:53.319 --> 01:15:59.199 kind of that necessary recognizing the true impact of some of these disorders. You 853 01:15:59.279 --> 01:16:01.359 know, So when you were talking about OCD, that's a really that's a 854 01:16:01.399 --> 01:16:08.199 really serious condition, but actually sometimes that's kind of used quite Dare I say 855 01:16:08.239 --> 01:16:11.760 it flippantly, as in, you know, somebody who's very neat entirely, 856 01:16:11.800 --> 01:16:15.560 for instance, might sort of talk about OCD and really minimizing it minimizing that 857 01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:19.720 should impact and the effects of it, which sometimes then may people may not 858 01:16:19.800 --> 01:16:24.479 necessarily take those things very seriously and recognize just quite how serious it is. 859 01:16:25.720 --> 01:16:30.079 You know, I may have an anxiety disorder, but you know, okay, 860 01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:32.479 somebody could think, oh, you're anxious about something. You just worrying 861 01:16:32.680 --> 01:16:36.720 it again, minimizing what it could be and what have you. So that's 862 01:16:36.760 --> 01:16:39.960 what I was kind of as I was as you were talking, as thinking, 863 01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:44.399 it's some of those terms monology, and I guess that's because I think 864 01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:46.079 it's great, you know, we're having this conversation, so we're having an 865 01:16:46.119 --> 01:16:50.479 understanding what these things are, but actually to recognize the depth of some of 866 01:16:50.560 --> 01:16:55.880 these things, you know, and whether that's kind of to recognize there could 867 01:16:55.920 --> 01:16:59.840 be you could be displaying signs and symptoms of some of these things and not 868 01:17:00.039 --> 01:17:02.520 actually going out to get help. So hopefully this is raising awareness in that 869 01:17:02.640 --> 01:17:06.880 respect, but also not to kind of minimize what you might have gone through 870 01:17:06.960 --> 01:17:11.680 and the impact it may have later on in life or have. You know, 871 01:17:11.720 --> 01:17:14.600 if other stuff's going on for you and you're kind of wondering what's going 872 01:17:14.680 --> 01:17:16.359 on, maybe it is time to actually, you know, go out and 873 01:17:16.439 --> 01:17:19.520 try and get some help and talk to somebody about it, see what's happening, 874 01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:24.920 because there's always reason that everything that happens sometimes, so you know, 875 01:17:26.560 --> 01:17:29.479 it's about and it's about raising awareness because some of these you know, the 876 01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:33.960 terminology or terms that we use, you can either kinds of awareness maximize that 877 01:17:34.239 --> 01:17:39.439 or sometimes we use it without necessarily recognizing, you know, and how we 878 01:17:39.600 --> 01:17:43.119 then treat others can be very key as well, because we when not take 879 01:17:43.159 --> 01:17:45.279 other people serious, y, not be kind enough to people, or empathetics. 880 01:17:45.520 --> 01:17:50.359 So yeah, there's a lot, there's a lot there. I'm not 881 01:17:50.600 --> 01:17:56.600 I'm not asking anyone to be a therapist, but not at all. I'm 882 01:17:56.840 --> 01:18:02.399 trying to create awareness and I think by some time having terminology around things, 883 01:18:02.560 --> 01:18:10.279 having language around things will help people identify and maybe you know, prompts people 884 01:18:10.439 --> 01:18:15.760 to encourage others to get help or get help themselves. So it's not asking 885 01:18:15.680 --> 01:18:19.800 you know, the Christian population to suddenly diagnose people, and you know, 886 01:18:20.039 --> 01:18:25.520 it's just the awareness. Like you said, yeah, that's what I was 887 01:18:25.560 --> 01:18:29.840 actually gonna that's just as about to mention, when you think of anxiety, 888 01:18:29.920 --> 01:18:35.880 you just think of like OCD or the PTSD. That's like the most the 889 01:18:35.920 --> 01:18:41.199 two common ones, but you brought up so many different ones that we probably 890 01:18:41.239 --> 01:18:45.159 don't even realize exist but are there, and it's just given, like you 891 01:18:45.199 --> 01:18:50.079 said, awareness of what's gonna Well, what specific phobia for me will be 892 01:18:50.119 --> 01:18:57.279 more being a phlebotomis. I hear it ninety five of patients when I go 893 01:18:57.399 --> 01:19:01.680 to draw their blood, Like I don't like needles, and I see some 894 01:19:01.840 --> 01:19:05.039 philbitomis just say it's just a needle, give me an domination, stick them, 895 01:19:05.359 --> 01:19:12.399 and they don't realize how much they just injured that person's mental capacity at 896 01:19:12.479 --> 01:19:15.600 that moment. Personally, I don't. I'm a philibotomist over twenty years. 897 01:19:15.800 --> 01:19:19.600 I don't like needles, so I actually do have a fear of them, 898 01:19:19.920 --> 01:19:25.359 so I understand. So I'm more calm with them in that aspect. I'll 899 01:19:25.399 --> 01:19:28.760 talk to them more. But we just don't understand that because like you, 900 01:19:29.199 --> 01:19:33.159 like you said, you know, you just just say, oh, it's 901 01:19:33.239 --> 01:19:36.079 not it's just a needle. You should be afraid, or like you said, 902 01:19:36.119 --> 01:19:40.000 like you know, you say you got OCD, but you really don't 903 01:19:40.000 --> 01:19:43.359 have OCD. But that's just the term we used to be to be funny. 904 01:19:44.520 --> 01:19:46.279 It's just I think in life, we have to learn certain things. 905 01:19:46.319 --> 01:19:51.000 We just need to stop saying certain things because it does minimize the real effect 906 01:19:51.720 --> 01:19:55.600 that it has on people, and we're kind of like, you know, 907 01:19:55.840 --> 01:19:58.479 just pushing them to the side, and then it makes them feel even less 908 01:19:59.319 --> 01:20:02.680 likely to express themselves or say that, hey, I got this problem, 909 01:20:03.239 --> 01:20:05.920 because I think if I say, they're just gonna think it's a joke. 910 01:20:08.399 --> 01:20:12.880 The more you know, they they take a lot more punishment than they need 911 01:20:12.960 --> 01:20:16.960 to take because we're not being aware of they actually could be going through some 912 01:20:17.319 --> 01:20:21.319 you know, going through something that's not only point. That's what I got 913 01:20:21.359 --> 01:20:25.439 from it, but I didn't realize that so many different anxieties. I'm like, 914 01:20:25.479 --> 01:20:28.560 my goodness, gracious, my head is about toplode. I'm sorry. 915 01:20:30.039 --> 01:20:38.399 It's good way it's not. It's like, I'm like, wow, I 916 01:20:38.479 --> 01:20:41.279 need to look up all this stuff and kind of like get a general you 917 01:20:41.359 --> 01:20:46.479 know, because in all honesty and working in healthcare, a lot of people 918 01:20:47.560 --> 01:20:54.479 have these issues. And if we can better understand the different types, I 919 01:20:54.560 --> 01:20:59.239 could be a better healthcare worker because now I can I can kind of recognize 920 01:20:59.239 --> 01:21:00.640 it. I'm not, like you said, I'm not trying to be a 921 01:21:00.720 --> 01:21:05.920 professional but just allow me to recognize, you know that, hey, maybe 922 01:21:06.199 --> 01:21:10.319 this person's got you know, suffering a little bit from that. So it's 923 01:21:10.399 --> 01:21:12.479 good to know, you know, knowledge, is it's good to know? 924 01:21:12.840 --> 01:21:15.880 Yes, absolutely, Alison. I will take a music break now, but 925 01:21:16.199 --> 01:21:19.800 just to ask you before we go, Uh, Pedro said that OCD maybe 926 01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:24.720 and some of the others are more common. Is that is that the case 927 01:21:25.520 --> 01:21:29.439 in your practice and in your experience. Are some are more prevalent than the 928 01:21:29.560 --> 01:21:33.079 others? Yeah? And I'm just going to say, because there are some 929 01:21:33.199 --> 01:21:36.079 that I have heard of and some I haven't, just as Pedrol is saying, 930 01:21:36.399 --> 01:21:41.000 but is it the case that we're not aware or is it that there 931 01:21:41.039 --> 01:21:48.079 are really some that are more prevalent than others? I think generalized anxiety disorder 932 01:21:48.199 --> 01:21:55.760 we see a lot of. So some of some of the disorders are core 933 01:21:55.840 --> 01:22:00.000 morbid. And we're saying more and more PTSD and whether that's because people have 934 01:22:00.119 --> 01:22:04.039 become I think it's because people are becoming more aware. So people are talking 935 01:22:04.479 --> 01:22:09.560 a lot more about some of the past traumas that they've had. And you 936 01:22:09.640 --> 01:22:14.399 know, for a lot of people who have had PTSD, a lot of 937 01:22:14.439 --> 01:22:17.199 the time it comes with panic attacks, as well, So we see a 938 01:22:17.279 --> 01:22:25.840 lot of these disorders coming together with something else. With COVID. Health anxiety 939 01:22:26.399 --> 01:22:31.399 went COVID and OCD. Health anxiety and OCD went off the roof because, 940 01:22:31.760 --> 01:22:36.359 as you can imagine, if you already had OCD and you were told to 941 01:22:36.560 --> 01:22:41.359 wash your hands with COVID, you were doing that even more. You were 942 01:22:41.479 --> 01:22:45.039 cleaning, tidying your house even more. And then the health anxiety, we 943 01:22:45.239 --> 01:22:49.000 saw a lot of that a lot more because people worried that they were going 944 01:22:49.039 --> 01:22:55.560 to get COVID, they were going to get other health conditions as well, 945 01:22:55.760 --> 01:22:59.840 one of them being with long COVID. A lot of people have chronic for 946 01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:04.119 take syndrome as well, So you know, there's all sorts of things happening, 947 01:23:04.640 --> 01:23:09.079 you know. At the same time, I just want to say, 948 01:23:09.359 --> 01:23:14.159 you know, we are Health is a whole, it's about the whole person, 949 01:23:14.880 --> 01:23:19.119 and anything that's affecting us physically is also impacting on us mentally, emotionally, 950 01:23:19.239 --> 01:23:26.279 and spiritually. So when we talk about wellbeing, let's think about holistic 951 01:23:26.439 --> 01:23:30.479 health, not just physical wellbeing. Yeah, well said all right, I 952 01:23:30.680 --> 01:23:35.600 will take I think Andrew, this was one of your choices. It's Kirk 953 01:23:35.680 --> 01:23:44.680 Franklin all things. Can I talk to you? I know you guys were 954 01:23:44.760 --> 01:23:53.359 questions. What's the hardest thing you're going through? To talk about? Talk? 955 01:23:54.119 --> 01:24:01.119 Life will change? Talking about things I can do well, talking about 956 01:24:01.239 --> 01:24:06.520 nights, time goes away and my dreams, telling me e race, talking 957 01:24:06.560 --> 01:24:13.119 about all things. I said, I can do all things. I understand 958 01:24:13.239 --> 01:24:24.800 it. Bast always be so withstards and no one ever planned you talking about 959 01:24:24.880 --> 01:24:30.159 all things, all the biggins of small things. I'm so sure I can 960 01:24:30.279 --> 01:24:39.399 do all things, talking about town stand my mind. I'm out of funds 961 01:24:39.479 --> 01:24:44.439 and out of time. I need a blessing. I need you to do 962 01:24:44.640 --> 01:24:51.520 all things. See I understand that at all. Interested in case, I'm 963 01:24:53.119 --> 01:25:00.479 so with goods and no one ever planned you tell talking about all things things, 964 01:25:00.119 --> 01:25:15.199 get a souls. I can do all days things. Let's go I 965 01:25:15.239 --> 01:25:20.600 can do. Just because he's silent time doesn't mean that he's still. He's 966 01:25:20.680 --> 01:25:25.840 not only preparing it for you, He's preparing you. Put it. Let's 967 01:25:25.920 --> 01:25:45.479 go things. Lessing begins as he sees you. Yes, let's sing. 968 01:25:46.039 --> 01:26:00.119 See the blessings coming. We had to get your reddit for it. Are 969 01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:14.279 we talking about? Are we talking about? Come on again? Love? 970 01:26:14.359 --> 01:26:45.920 People? Say, I think it's a possible you can't about you shut rap 971 01:26:45.000 --> 01:26:48.079 by. He's a good guy. He's a good guy. Come on, 972 01:26:48.399 --> 01:26:56.079 he's a good god. He's a good Come on all things by. Kirk 973 01:26:56.159 --> 01:26:59.840 Franklin may have a chance a little later to play Hello Fair. It's another 974 01:27:00.239 --> 01:27:06.239 very good song, applicable song from Coke Franklin's collection. You're listening to Talking 975 01:27:06.319 --> 01:27:13.960 Point and we are having a powerful conversation led by alisoner Wilkou on worry, 976 01:27:14.439 --> 01:27:19.800 fear and anxiety as part of our series bringing Down Strongholds. You can still 977 01:27:19.840 --> 01:27:25.399 be a part of the conversation. It's eight triple to eight Space Hope and 978 01:27:25.439 --> 01:27:30.960 then your message or studio at Adventist Radio Dot London. And of course you 979 01:27:30.039 --> 01:27:35.560 can watch up us now on zero seven four five nine six four two eight 980 01:27:35.960 --> 01:27:39.800 nine eight. If you still want to come, there's about half an hour 981 01:27:39.800 --> 01:27:41.960 ago to go. If you don't want to come, onto the zoom it's 982 01:27:41.960 --> 01:27:45.079 seven seven one three nine eight six to zero nine. And the questions we 983 01:27:45.199 --> 01:27:51.159 posed were what are you worried about? What are you anxious about at the 984 01:27:51.239 --> 01:27:58.159 moment? And I know we all are. Does that reflect lack of faith? 985 01:27:58.279 --> 01:28:02.520 You think that worrying reflects lack of faith. Let me know your thoughts 986 01:28:02.960 --> 01:28:10.239 on that. Alison, back over to you. Thank you so much. 987 01:28:11.760 --> 01:28:16.720 So just to quickly recap, we've had a look at understanding worry, fear 988 01:28:16.760 --> 01:28:21.079 and anxiety. We've had look at the impact of worr if, fear, 989 01:28:21.119 --> 01:28:25.960 anxiety on our wellbeing, and now we're going to talk about, actually, 990 01:28:26.159 --> 01:28:30.560 how do we bring down the strongholds of worry, fear, and anxiety. 991 01:28:30.760 --> 01:28:35.960 Remember we talked about strongholds being things that hold hold us captive, which are 992 01:28:36.039 --> 01:28:43.000 based on a particular belief or like worlds of resistance in the mind that stopped 993 01:28:43.479 --> 01:28:49.760 us from living the purposeful life that God has promised. So how do we 994 01:28:49.880 --> 01:28:56.960 bring down these strongholds of worry, fear, anxiety. From the last week 995 01:28:57.079 --> 01:29:02.000 session, we talked about the stronghold having the walls of lies. So the 996 01:29:02.159 --> 01:29:09.279 wolds of lies you think about a mighty fortress, you think about high, 997 01:29:09.399 --> 01:29:13.840 big walls, and we need to bring down the walls that of lies that 998 01:29:13.960 --> 01:29:17.279 the enemy plants in our minds. It's a lot of the time we worry 999 01:29:17.560 --> 01:29:23.319 about things that the enemy makes us feel we should worry about. We think, 1000 01:29:23.720 --> 01:29:26.439 well, this thing happened in the past is going to happen again. 1001 01:29:26.520 --> 01:29:31.279 So we become hypervigilance. We worry excessively or hypothetically, and then it becomes 1002 01:29:31.359 --> 01:29:36.479 anxiety and we can't do anything. We've heard about the various anxiety disorder us 1003 01:29:36.680 --> 01:29:42.319 that really stop us from living day to day life as God has purposed for 1004 01:29:42.520 --> 01:29:46.600 us. John eight thirty two. Christ said, then you will know the 1005 01:29:46.680 --> 01:29:50.880 truth, and the truth will set you free, bringing down the walls of 1006 01:29:51.079 --> 01:29:56.359 lies. Need us to know the truth. What truth is? Are we 1007 01:29:56.439 --> 01:30:00.319 talking about the word of God? The word of God will say at us 1008 01:30:00.399 --> 01:30:03.840 free. If we go to look at the Gospel of Matthew chapter twelve, 1009 01:30:04.640 --> 01:30:11.600 verse twenty nine, it says that there is a strong man behind the stronghold, 1010 01:30:12.640 --> 01:30:17.960 a dominant negative force that keeps a person captive. And in the case 1011 01:30:18.039 --> 01:30:24.119 of worry and anxiety, that force is fear. Fear is what keeps us 1012 01:30:24.239 --> 01:30:29.319 captive. It makes us feel anxious. We need to understand the force behind 1013 01:30:29.439 --> 01:30:32.159 the wall. The wall. We have a wall. We want to bring 1014 01:30:32.239 --> 01:30:38.319 down that wall. How do we bring down the world and Matthew twelve twenty 1015 01:30:38.439 --> 01:30:44.439 nine or else, how can one enter into a strong man's house and spoil 1016 01:30:44.600 --> 01:30:49.479 his goods, except he first bind a strong man. If you don't know 1017 01:30:49.920 --> 01:30:55.199 how to deal with the fear, how are you going to bring down that 1018 01:30:55.279 --> 01:31:00.319 strong So we need to understand what is it that is causing us to be 1019 01:31:00.399 --> 01:31:04.359 afraid, What is it that's causing us to worry excessively? And we need 1020 01:31:04.479 --> 01:31:15.640 to have an objective perspective in our thinking. If we are afraid, if 1021 01:31:15.680 --> 01:31:19.920 we are worried excessively, we need to understand where that's coming from. Is 1022 01:31:19.960 --> 01:31:25.199 it from something from the past. Is it worrying about something about the future 1023 01:31:25.520 --> 01:31:30.039 that we have no control over. If we don't understand what that forces that's 1024 01:31:30.119 --> 01:31:33.359 keeping us captive, we're not going to be able to bring down the wall 1025 01:31:33.479 --> 01:31:40.039 of lives. The wall of lives will remain built very highly in our minds 1026 01:31:40.079 --> 01:31:44.520 and we will not be able to bring them down. Also, we need 1027 01:31:44.600 --> 01:31:49.079 to bring down the towers. Remember we talked about the fortress having towers, 1028 01:31:50.039 --> 01:31:58.279 and we liken the towers to our imagination, towers of unhelpful imagination. How 1029 01:31:58.399 --> 01:32:03.039 do we do that. We understand fear, what we're afraid of, and 1030 01:32:03.319 --> 01:32:11.000 we understand how it impacts us. Fear makes us exaggerate our challenges in our 1031 01:32:11.119 --> 01:32:16.640 minds. Okay, so we start to imagine things and kind of magnify things 1032 01:32:16.680 --> 01:32:21.079 in our minds, and when we do that, we're building towers by making 1033 01:32:21.159 --> 01:32:27.119 the problem bigger, we're kind of magnifying the problems in our minds. That 1034 01:32:27.279 --> 01:32:32.239 builds towers of unhelpful imagination. So instead of paying attention to our problems and 1035 01:32:32.399 --> 01:32:38.119 making them bigger in our minds, we can exalt God and trust in his 1036 01:32:38.640 --> 01:32:43.039 power and his promises. Last week we talked a lot about God's promises. 1037 01:32:43.439 --> 01:32:47.199 God's promises are very powerful. So rather than feed the fear and feed the 1038 01:32:47.359 --> 01:32:54.560 unhelpful imagination, why don't we look at God's promises. They that wait upon 1039 01:32:54.720 --> 01:32:58.920 the Lord shall renew their strength. Call upon me in the day of trouble, 1040 01:32:59.279 --> 01:33:03.079 and I will leave you. The Angel of the Lord and comes around 1041 01:33:03.159 --> 01:33:09.000 those who fear him. So let's look at the promises of God. Let's 1042 01:33:09.039 --> 01:33:13.560 look at what God is saying, and let's be patient and not give up. 1043 01:33:13.640 --> 01:33:17.279 It gets easier and better we practice and consistency. So you know, 1044 01:33:17.920 --> 01:33:24.760 our imaginations are things that are conditioned in our minds over the time. To 1045 01:33:24.960 --> 01:33:30.199 bring down the towers of unhelpful imaginations, we have to keep looking at the 1046 01:33:30.279 --> 01:33:35.000 promises, keep reading the Word of God, keep praying, keep being consistent. 1047 01:33:35.760 --> 01:33:41.359 And that's not gonna you know, the towers of unhealthful imagination will not 1048 01:33:41.640 --> 01:33:47.640 just disappear overnight. We need practice. We need to make that lifestyle, 1049 01:33:47.880 --> 01:33:53.640 the word of God, prayer, relying on the promises of God man. 1050 01:33:55.520 --> 01:34:01.800 And then we have to bring every thought thought into captivity. So we talked 1051 01:34:01.840 --> 01:34:11.479 about the fortress, the strongholds having captains inside who would strategize. And these 1052 01:34:11.560 --> 01:34:15.520 are like captive, the thoughts in our minds that hold us keep us captive. 1053 01:34:16.079 --> 01:34:21.399 How do we bring every thought into captivity? Again, Let's remember that 1054 01:34:21.600 --> 01:34:27.279 we're either captive of our thoughts or thoughts control us. So we can have 1055 01:34:27.479 --> 01:34:31.159 our thoughts captive, or we can allow our thoughts to control us. But 1056 01:34:31.439 --> 01:34:34.880 let's you know, we are not our thoughts. We said this last week. 1057 01:34:35.000 --> 01:34:39.199 Let's remember we are not our thoughts. We need to make our thoughts 1058 01:34:39.279 --> 01:34:42.960 captive, but first we need to be aware of them. We can use 1059 01:34:43.000 --> 01:34:47.479 scripture to bring down the thoughts into to bring our thoughts into captivity and lead 1060 01:34:47.560 --> 01:34:51.399 them where God wants us to know what God where God wants us to go. 1061 01:34:53.000 --> 01:34:58.800 Rather and again, let's be patient, let's not give up. From 1062 01:34:58.840 --> 01:35:03.000 a practical level, we can manage our worried thoughts. I have what I 1063 01:35:03.159 --> 01:35:08.880 call what we call a tree, the worry tree, and it's just a 1064 01:35:08.960 --> 01:35:13.800 way of processing our thoughts. So on the screen, it's a tree, 1065 01:35:14.279 --> 01:35:18.159 and it's like a plow chart on the tree. So you're going through a 1066 01:35:18.279 --> 01:35:23.880 process where you're noticing, first of all, that you're worried. Remember we 1067 01:35:24.039 --> 01:35:29.119 have about forty eight thoughts a minute, all right, so we're thinking thousands 1068 01:35:29.159 --> 01:35:33.560 of thoughts every day. And when we have a thought that causes us to 1069 01:35:33.680 --> 01:35:39.319 worry, let's trans zooming on that thoughts and think about, Okay, what 1070 01:35:39.760 --> 01:35:42.920 is it that I'm actually worried about? Because sometimes we don't actually know what 1071 01:35:43.000 --> 01:35:45.279 we're worried about. We know we're worried about stuff, and there's a lot 1072 01:35:45.359 --> 01:35:49.399 of stuff going on in our minds that we can't actually put a finger on 1073 01:35:49.680 --> 01:35:56.039 actually where that worry started. What was the thoughts that started to worry, 1074 01:35:56.079 --> 01:36:00.479 because perhaps it's become a chain reaction and we don't even know where the warr 1075 01:36:00.520 --> 01:36:03.760 is started. So notice the worry. What am I Ask yourself what am 1076 01:36:03.800 --> 01:36:09.439 I worrying about? And then The next question on the worry trade is that 1077 01:36:09.640 --> 01:36:14.439 can I do something about this? And if the answer is no, then 1078 01:36:15.520 --> 01:36:18.439 let the worry go and change your focus of attention. If you can't do 1079 01:36:18.520 --> 01:36:25.520 anything about it, how is worrying going to help you? Apart from cause 1080 01:36:25.560 --> 01:36:29.560 you to have migraines, cause you to have maybe chest pains, high blood 1081 01:36:29.560 --> 01:36:32.760 pressure, how is it going to help you? If you can do something 1082 01:36:32.800 --> 01:36:35.960 about it, then you need to make a plan. What are you going 1083 01:36:36.039 --> 01:36:40.000 to do about it? When are you going to do it, and how 1084 01:36:40.079 --> 01:36:43.479 are you going to go about it? What resources the unique? Make a 1085 01:36:43.560 --> 01:36:47.479 plan and are you going to do it? Something about it now. If 1086 01:36:47.520 --> 01:36:50.039 you're going to do something about it now, then go and do it, 1087 01:36:51.239 --> 01:36:54.960 because once you've done it, you've done what you can and then you can 1088 01:36:55.039 --> 01:36:58.359 focus on something else, like what you're having for dinner this evening, or 1089 01:36:58.840 --> 01:37:02.239 what you're buying from the shop tomorrow, or change your focus of attention. 1090 01:37:02.760 --> 01:37:06.800 If you're going to do something about it later, then make a plan when 1091 01:37:06.800 --> 01:37:10.800 are you going to do it? And once you've planned when you're going to 1092 01:37:10.920 --> 01:37:15.439 do it, it's in the diary. Change the focus of attention. Think 1093 01:37:15.479 --> 01:37:20.039 about something else. You've done all you can now the worry Tree for people 1094 01:37:20.039 --> 01:37:27.560 who are listening. There's an app on I think Apple Play you can get 1095 01:37:27.640 --> 01:37:30.800 if you look up worry Tree. It actually takes you through this process and 1096 01:37:30.920 --> 01:37:35.279 you can actually put things in your calendar and then let the worry go. 1097 01:37:36.800 --> 01:37:40.720 I think it's quite a good app. I think there are various versions of 1098 01:37:40.800 --> 01:37:45.119 the app, and you can get the basic version for free. But look 1099 01:37:45.199 --> 01:37:49.079 it up and see if you can get itself on the app. That's going 1100 01:37:49.159 --> 01:37:59.920 to help you practically on managing your worry. Okay, so bringing down strong 1101 01:38:00.199 --> 01:38:04.199 holds of fear, worry, and anxiety on a spiritual level, I've got 1102 01:38:04.279 --> 01:38:10.880 something. Here's an acronym from Warren. He's an evangelist for those who don't 1103 01:38:10.920 --> 01:38:15.119 know him, and I like what how he uses think and the T is 1104 01:38:15.199 --> 01:38:21.960 for test every thought. The age is helmets of salvation. The I is 1105 01:38:23.119 --> 01:38:28.039 imagining book thoughts from the Word of God and the promises of God. The 1106 01:38:28.319 --> 01:38:32.640 end is for nourish your mind daily by connecting with God and the right people. 1107 01:38:33.560 --> 01:38:39.920 And K is for keep on learning about things that edify and build you 1108 01:38:40.159 --> 01:38:45.159 up. Think all right, So on a spiritual level, just think, 1109 01:38:45.199 --> 01:38:49.640 test every thought, put on the helmets of salvation. Imagine book thoughts from 1110 01:38:49.640 --> 01:38:55.359 the word of God and the promises of God. Nourish your mind daily by 1111 01:38:55.439 --> 01:39:00.319 connecting with God and the right people, and keep on learning about things that 1112 01:39:00.439 --> 01:39:05.319 will edify and build you up. I don't know how many people listening have 1113 01:39:05.520 --> 01:39:12.319 heard the prayer of serenity. It's a very simple prayer. And if people 1114 01:39:12.439 --> 01:39:18.439 really look at Philippians four six to seven that says, do not be anxious 1115 01:39:18.520 --> 01:39:23.359 for anything. With prayer and supplication, make a requests known to God. 1116 01:39:24.479 --> 01:39:28.159 I think it's kind of like this prayer, some sort of that scripture, 1117 01:39:28.720 --> 01:39:32.680 and the prayer says God grants me the serenity to accept the things I cannot 1118 01:39:32.840 --> 01:39:39.000 change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to 1119 01:39:39.199 --> 01:39:47.000 know the difference. So, in conclusion, when the strongholds of anxiety, 1120 01:39:48.039 --> 01:39:55.039 fear, and worry are brought down, you will notice that your mind is 1121 01:39:55.159 --> 01:39:59.680 a powerful thing, and when you feel it with positive thoughts, your life 1122 01:39:59.680 --> 01:40:04.000 will to change. You can correct your mind. If you can correct your 1123 01:40:04.039 --> 01:40:09.560 mind, the rest of your life will fall into place. These are quotes 1124 01:40:11.720 --> 01:40:15.000 God, and there's a prayer from an unknown authought. God grants me a 1125 01:40:15.199 --> 01:40:20.239 mind free of worry, a heart free of sadness, and a body free 1126 01:40:20.319 --> 01:40:26.239 of sickness. And Jesus Christ himself said, I have come that you may 1127 01:40:26.319 --> 01:40:32.000 have life, and have it to the full. So let's remember Philippians four 1128 01:40:32.079 --> 01:40:38.199 six to seven. Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, 1129 01:40:38.520 --> 01:40:42.640 by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your request to God. 1130 01:40:42.960 --> 01:40:47.000 And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding. Will God your hearts 1131 01:40:47.079 --> 01:40:54.640 and minds in Christ Philippians four eight. Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever 1132 01:40:54.840 --> 01:40:59.840 is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, 1133 01:41:00.319 --> 01:41:04.920 whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable, if anything is excellent or praiseworthy, 1134 01:41:05.520 --> 01:41:12.880 think about such things. And Matthew, one of my favorites, six twenty 1135 01:41:12.960 --> 01:41:16.199 five to twenty seven. Therefore, I tell you versus Christ saying, do 1136 01:41:16.359 --> 01:41:21.239 not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink, or about 1137 01:41:21.279 --> 01:41:27.880 your body what you will wear. Its life. It's not life more than 1138 01:41:28.079 --> 01:41:30.439 food, and the body more than clothes. Look at the beds of the 1139 01:41:30.560 --> 01:41:36.680 air. They do not reap, store away or store away in bands. 1140 01:41:38.239 --> 01:41:43.720 You get your heavenly father, really teach them, And are you not much 1141 01:41:43.840 --> 01:41:48.720 more valuable? Than there than they can any one of you by worrying at 1142 01:41:48.800 --> 01:41:56.319 a single hour to your life. And John first John for eighteen says there 1143 01:41:56.439 --> 01:42:02.000 is no fear in love. Perfect love casts out all fear. And Romans 1144 01:42:02.079 --> 01:42:06.720 talk to says, and be not conformed to this world, but be y 1145 01:42:06.920 --> 01:42:13.159 transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is good 1146 01:42:13.640 --> 01:42:18.920 and acceptable and the perfect will of God. And finally, Philippians two five 1147 01:42:19.439 --> 01:42:26.079 says, let this mind be in you, which is in Christ. For 1148 01:42:26.319 --> 01:42:31.399 God second Timothy one seven has not given us a spirit of fear, but 1149 01:42:31.640 --> 01:42:39.359 of power, of love and of a sound mind. So thank you so 1150 01:42:39.560 --> 01:42:43.800 much everyone for listening. It's been good to go through this with you. 1151 01:42:44.159 --> 01:42:48.640 And I will hand back over to Xenia for discussions, comments, questions. 1152 01:42:48.760 --> 01:42:54.279 Thank you, perfect, Thank you so much. Alison Well said, well 1153 01:42:54.359 --> 01:42:59.079 presented. I think we were talking offline and Pedro went wow, and I'm 1154 01:42:59.159 --> 01:43:02.640 wowing online. And it's the impression I got when I first heard the series. 1155 01:43:02.920 --> 01:43:09.680 It's just so full. Pedro, what's what's your takeaway from that from 1156 01:43:09.760 --> 01:43:13.960 that last second from the whole program, Yes, I can hear you now. 1157 01:43:14.720 --> 01:43:18.279 I thought the whole program of information just wanted to say that last memory 1158 01:43:18.359 --> 01:43:24.880 verse that you gave Alison, My wife uses that memory verse all the time. 1159 01:43:25.640 --> 01:43:30.199 She loves that mem verse. So I know that when you said that 1160 01:43:30.279 --> 01:43:32.840 one, I knew right off the back. She's alwayss caoding that one. 1161 01:43:32.960 --> 01:43:41.119 But it's a it's a lot to unpack, but it's worth unpacking for me. 1162 01:43:41.359 --> 01:43:45.319 I just think it just opened up my mind to just think about the 1163 01:43:45.479 --> 01:43:54.600 different aspects of mental health and anxiety and just to be more what's the word, 1164 01:43:54.600 --> 01:43:57.159 I can't think of the word, but just to be more mindful of 1165 01:43:57.359 --> 01:44:01.600 the fact that these things do exist, that we need to be more diligent 1166 01:44:01.720 --> 01:44:06.439 and understanding them and not so just to like push them to the side and 1167 01:44:08.439 --> 01:44:13.119 act like they don't exist, because they do exist. And I appreciate, 1168 01:44:13.560 --> 01:44:18.439 like Zenga said, I do appreciate the whole aspect because it's it's definitely opened 1169 01:44:18.520 --> 01:44:25.920 up my brain too to start thinking more and want to investigate more and read 1170 01:44:26.000 --> 01:44:30.479 more to get a better understanding for future, you know, and about to 1171 01:44:30.520 --> 01:44:33.880 be fifty. So the fact that it took me fifty years to even thing 1172 01:44:33.960 --> 01:44:38.439 start thinking about some of the stuff, like man, like wow, I 1173 01:44:38.439 --> 01:44:41.199 didn't even think you know, I guess you no matter how you get, 1174 01:44:41.199 --> 01:44:45.159 you're always learning something. Definitely, I definitely read a lot today, so 1175 01:44:45.279 --> 01:44:51.760 thank you, and she yeah. Likewise, I mean, there's there's there's 1176 01:44:51.760 --> 01:44:55.319 a there was a lot there and it's kind of a lot to unpack, 1177 01:44:55.359 --> 01:44:58.920 and I guess I'm going to go away. But what I loved actually was 1178 01:44:59.000 --> 01:45:01.399 the kind of tools that we can utilize because as much as you know, 1179 01:45:01.520 --> 01:45:04.520 sometimes we worry about things because we sometimes think, oh, maybe you can't 1180 01:45:04.520 --> 01:45:09.000 do anything about it, or there's no solutions. Actually there's a way to 1181 01:45:09.159 --> 01:45:12.920 deal with the worry in itself, and then maybe it's about using that opportunity 1182 01:45:12.920 --> 01:45:15.399 as ways to kind of find solutions for things. So I love the idea 1183 01:45:15.399 --> 01:45:17.880 of you've got the worry tree in a bit of a flow chart to really 1184 01:45:17.960 --> 01:45:21.399 kind of get you to think about it in a logical, rational kind of 1185 01:45:21.520 --> 01:45:26.560 way. You know, you're going through asking questions about is it you know, 1186 01:45:26.680 --> 01:45:29.720 can you do something about it? And if you can, yes, 1187 01:45:29.840 --> 01:45:31.960 let's go ahead and see. If you can't, sometimes just let it go 1188 01:45:32.039 --> 01:45:35.880 because that's literally what we need to do. I love them. I love 1189 01:45:35.920 --> 01:45:42.319 the acronym of think and again it's we're talking about how these strongholds sometimes they 1190 01:45:42.399 --> 01:45:46.039 start from those thoughts that start to overtake us. There's negative impact, there's 1191 01:45:46.119 --> 01:45:49.439 negative thoughts that we have and allow them to take hold of us. So 1192 01:45:50.000 --> 01:45:55.520 the idea that we're putting on the helmet of salvation and utilizing those to kind 1193 01:45:55.560 --> 01:45:59.560 of influence our mind in a really positive way, in a God connected way, 1194 01:46:00.840 --> 01:46:04.239 to nourish, to learn to uphold. And you know, just there 1195 01:46:04.279 --> 01:46:06.800 are so many we talked about this last week, so many texts and you've 1196 01:46:06.840 --> 01:46:13.039 quoted some great ones at the end there about God's promises how we can change 1197 01:46:13.079 --> 01:46:16.279 our minds as it were, and focus our minds more effectively, more positively. 1198 01:46:16.359 --> 01:46:19.039 So I loved all of that. So again, you know, we're 1199 01:46:19.039 --> 01:46:24.760 talking about how things impact our mind and we have to be mindful that these 1200 01:46:25.279 --> 01:46:30.279 the enemies is, you know, is powerful. I think sometimes really underestimate, 1201 01:46:30.720 --> 01:46:33.119 you know, how powerful he is and how much of an influence we 1202 01:46:33.239 --> 01:46:40.800 are. How we are influenced and bombarded with messages of disaster, no hope, 1203 01:46:41.199 --> 01:46:43.560 all of those things, and actually, you know, we've got to 1204 01:46:43.640 --> 01:46:45.640 sometimes work really hard to try and counterap that. But you know, I'm 1205 01:46:45.680 --> 01:46:48.039 glad to know that we're not on our own doing this. You know, 1206 01:46:48.159 --> 01:46:54.319 God is more and more powerful and it is connecting with him. So there 1207 01:46:54.359 --> 01:46:57.680 were some yeah again some gems there, and you know we talked about, 1208 01:46:57.920 --> 01:47:01.399 you know, connecting the word, recognize that God's word is truth, and 1209 01:47:01.560 --> 01:47:05.840 that we want to we want to connect more and learn more. So give 1210 01:47:05.880 --> 01:47:09.239 me. Had a bit of a challenge last week to trying to find a 1211 01:47:09.399 --> 01:47:15.279 texted day because there are there are hundreds promises, so you're then to fix 1212 01:47:15.359 --> 01:47:17.800 on there. So you know, Alison, you shared about six or seven 1213 01:47:17.840 --> 01:47:21.479 throughout, so you know, if there's at least one for every day next 1214 01:47:21.560 --> 01:47:27.960 week? So yeah, that was coold. Do you have do you have 1215 01:47:28.159 --> 01:47:33.640 one that isn't listed there that you've sort of is your go to? And 1216 01:47:33.720 --> 01:47:36.840 that's my question for anyone listening, actually, what what is your go to 1217 01:47:38.079 --> 01:47:41.640 text? I think we all need one or you know, one for each 1218 01:47:41.720 --> 01:47:45.640 day of the week really to be fair. So what's your go to text 1219 01:47:45.760 --> 01:47:53.039 in these situations or trouble? I think actually, and I think as you 1220 01:47:53.119 --> 01:47:55.800 might have been mentioned as a forty first saty one, there's that wait on 1221 01:47:55.880 --> 01:47:59.159 the Lord or man up with wings and I think sometimes we're like I feel 1222 01:47:59.279 --> 01:48:01.720 really tired right now and really quite You've had quite a stressful week, and 1223 01:48:01.760 --> 01:48:08.199 I sometimes think of that, thinking, you know, if I'm trusting in 1224 01:48:08.319 --> 01:48:11.880 him, he will give me the strength and even if it's not today, 1225 01:48:12.239 --> 01:48:15.159 at some point I will get through it and I'll be able to run and 1226 01:48:15.279 --> 01:48:18.039 not just walk orpe be able to pick me up when I've fallen there. 1227 01:48:18.359 --> 01:48:23.000 So that's always I mean, for me, it hasn't memories. So it's 1228 01:48:23.000 --> 01:48:25.159 one of the first sort of text I member when I kind of got reback 1229 01:48:25.239 --> 01:48:28.680 ties that I actually remembered. I'm saying, I don't recall it now, 1230 01:48:28.720 --> 01:48:30.720 but it meant so much for him because you know, at the end of 1231 01:48:30.720 --> 01:48:32.319 the day, sometimes I can't just do it on my own. And that's 1232 01:48:32.399 --> 01:48:34.720 really what a lot of this to do is to do with. You know, 1233 01:48:34.800 --> 01:48:38.720 it's not We're trying to work and we're finding out ways in which we 1234 01:48:38.840 --> 01:48:43.399 can you know, make a change, bring those bring our strong holds down. 1235 01:48:43.960 --> 01:48:45.479 But it's not about me doing it alone. I may have to draw 1236 01:48:45.640 --> 01:48:50.000 on ultimately God's help, but other people's help as well, and programs like 1237 01:48:50.039 --> 01:48:54.840 this. While we're talking about it, even that's a great starting point because 1238 01:48:54.920 --> 01:48:58.760 it's raising our awareness, showing us that I might be going through things or 1239 01:48:58.760 --> 01:49:00.760 other people will be going through things things, and how we can work together 1240 01:49:00.960 --> 01:49:05.000 and work with other people to kind of do that ultimately be kind, you 1241 01:49:05.119 --> 01:49:10.920 know, came to ourselves and to other people. Recognizing that people are going 1242 01:49:11.000 --> 01:49:14.520 through we can offer support, to encourage people to get support or to help 1243 01:49:14.560 --> 01:49:16.680 ourselves. Then that can only be a good thing. So that's that's probably 1244 01:49:16.720 --> 01:49:23.720 one of my ones that I have other ones, noted all of those to 1245 01:49:23.760 --> 01:49:28.840 add to my list. So I'm going I just want to tell you real 1246 01:49:28.920 --> 01:49:35.880 QUI sorry you were one. That's what the tour you were one going go 1247 01:49:36.000 --> 01:49:45.159 on. But sometimes you do separate. Tell me what's yours to that I 1248 01:49:45.560 --> 01:49:54.079 grew up? That won't be the best one for me that I can think 1249 01:49:54.159 --> 01:50:00.279 of. Want about it being a performed as well. Okay, I think 1250 01:50:00.359 --> 01:50:02.399 God doesn't want us to be like the world. He wants us to be 1251 01:50:03.640 --> 01:50:06.840 ourselves but also have Him in us. And if God is in us, 1252 01:50:08.359 --> 01:50:11.720 then everything else will work out and he will lead us down the path we're 1253 01:50:11.720 --> 01:50:15.600 supposed to go and people will notice a difference in you. And I think 1254 01:50:15.640 --> 01:50:19.479 that's if we can do that in life, if we can go through life 1255 01:50:19.520 --> 01:50:25.800 where people see a difference in you. It actually makes people change themselves sometimes 1256 01:50:25.840 --> 01:50:29.399 because they realize, no matter what they do, or no matter what they 1257 01:50:29.439 --> 01:50:34.680 say, you're still going to be you do. That brings me nicely to 1258 01:50:34.800 --> 01:50:39.439 our question. I did pose it to our listeners, but I haven't had 1259 01:50:39.479 --> 01:50:42.239 a response, and so I'm posing it to you, Alison. I've put 1260 01:50:42.239 --> 01:50:45.319 you in the hot seat, and it draws really from what Petro's just saying. 1261 01:50:48.720 --> 01:50:55.279 Can I conclude is it wrong to conclude then that if we are men 1262 01:50:55.319 --> 01:51:00.560 and women of faith that we shouldn't struggle or is it that we shouldn't struggle 1263 01:51:00.680 --> 01:51:05.119 as much as what's the answer to that? Well, how does our faith 1264 01:51:05.680 --> 01:51:13.560 impact our fear and our struggle with fear? I'll just start by saying that 1265 01:51:13.720 --> 01:51:21.880 should and shouldn't. It's already a problem for me because that you know, 1266 01:51:23.079 --> 01:51:29.520 should shouldn't These are rules that we make and that actually cause anxiety. We 1267 01:51:29.680 --> 01:51:35.000 can say that ideally it would be better if we kind of took us struggles 1268 01:51:35.079 --> 01:51:42.359 to God, and then the God of peace that passes all understanding will help 1269 01:51:42.479 --> 01:51:45.880 us. Now, if we don't have worries, we'll never be able to 1270 01:51:45.920 --> 01:51:51.840 appreciate peace. So I don't know if that kind of have to answer your 1271 01:51:51.920 --> 01:51:57.039 question. But you know, if we think about Christ in the Garden of 1272 01:51:57.159 --> 01:52:04.399 gethse Many, I think it was for of anxiety he had lo and you 1273 01:52:04.520 --> 01:52:09.840 know, he asked for the cop to be taken away from him if he 1274 01:52:10.039 --> 01:52:14.079 wasn't anxious and worried about what was going to happen to him. So, 1275 01:52:14.399 --> 01:52:18.399 you know, I think there's an understanding. God understands. God created us, 1276 01:52:18.479 --> 01:52:24.520 and he knows us inside out, and he understands all of the challenging 1277 01:52:24.680 --> 01:52:29.399 emotions that we experience. You know, we're not just there to kind of 1278 01:52:29.520 --> 01:52:34.640 present ourselves as happy all the time. But he understands that in our trials 1279 01:52:34.720 --> 01:52:41.079 and tribulations we will feel the anxiety, and therefore he encourages us to come 1280 01:52:41.159 --> 01:52:45.520 to him and pray to him with supplication and thanksgiving. Make our request onto 1281 01:52:45.600 --> 01:52:48.920 him. He says, cast all your cares upon me, because I care 1282 01:52:48.960 --> 01:52:53.520 about you. If he knew that we were never going to have any cares, 1283 01:52:53.560 --> 01:52:58.760 he wouldn't ask us to custom on him. So let's be real, 1284 01:52:59.439 --> 01:53:02.720 as Chris, and let's be real. The only way that we're gonna connect 1285 01:53:03.000 --> 01:53:10.000 with the world and represent Christ and help others to come to know Christ is 1286 01:53:10.119 --> 01:53:15.560 if we're real. And I think it's not authentic or congruence. If anybody 1287 01:53:16.039 --> 01:53:20.960 who is listening or any one of us turned around and said, I don't 1288 01:53:21.039 --> 01:53:26.479 worry anymore because it's not Christian to worry, I think that would be a 1289 01:53:26.640 --> 01:53:31.359 lie. So God understands when we worry, but it's what we do with 1290 01:53:31.479 --> 01:53:35.079 the emotions, with the challenging emotions that we feel that's important. He says, 1291 01:53:35.399 --> 01:53:38.920 go to him. You can go to him with anger, with depression, 1292 01:53:39.520 --> 01:53:45.000 with anything, and that's okay. So and He will make us to 1293 01:53:45.119 --> 01:53:50.680 experience the peace. I mean personally, early last year, I had health 1294 01:53:50.760 --> 01:53:56.560 scare. All right, I had a healthcare and I was worried. I 1295 01:53:56.680 --> 01:54:02.479 was very anxious, and I prayed efficiency for six to seven and I felt 1296 01:54:02.680 --> 01:54:08.720 so much peace. That's what took me through that period. And I trusted 1297 01:54:08.760 --> 01:54:11.159 God. I believed in God. I said to him, I know that 1298 01:54:11.680 --> 01:54:14.960 you'll take me through this and I'll be okay. But I was still worried, 1299 01:54:15.079 --> 01:54:21.079 and we kind of really reflecting on that prayer, he helped me to 1300 01:54:21.239 --> 01:54:27.880 appreciate his peace, which passes all human understanding. So it's okay for us 1301 01:54:27.920 --> 01:54:31.720 to worry as Christians, but like Angela said earlier, Ron, it's okay 1302 01:54:31.880 --> 01:54:34.720 not to be okay, but then do something about it. Go to God, 1303 01:54:34.880 --> 01:54:41.159 read your Bible, lean on the promises of God, pray and sick 1304 01:54:41.399 --> 01:54:46.199 sick sick professional help if you need to. Absolutely, we thank you very 1305 01:54:46.279 --> 01:54:49.000 much, Alison. We're out of time, and if we we when we 1306 01:54:49.199 --> 01:54:51.960 not, if we when we come back next week, that's a good place 1307 01:54:53.039 --> 01:54:57.399 to pick up perhaps, is that when when do we know and this is 1308 01:54:57.399 --> 01:55:00.039 a question to ask and put on on the banner next week, when do 1309 01:55:00.159 --> 01:55:04.960 we know that it is time to go and seek professional help? Because yes, 1310 01:55:05.279 --> 01:55:10.800 as you've said, we ask Christians, we need to keep it real 1311 01:55:10.880 --> 01:55:14.359 and these are struggles that we will have and we know where to go. 1312 01:55:14.520 --> 01:55:16.760 We know God is our help and our health and our strength, but we 1313 01:55:16.840 --> 01:55:21.039 also equally need to know that there may be times that we need other support 1314 01:55:21.079 --> 01:55:25.159 and He is still in charge of that. He sends this other support, 1315 01:55:25.239 --> 01:55:29.079 he puts these structures in place, He gives people wisdom and understanding, so 1316 01:55:29.560 --> 01:55:33.840 it doesn't show weakness or lack of faith to use these resources. So thank 1317 01:55:33.880 --> 01:55:36.920 you very much for that, and We'll touch on that a little bit next 1318 01:55:36.920 --> 01:55:43.079 week, because we are back next week with another leg, another episode, 1319 01:55:43.119 --> 01:55:49.119 another part to the series bringing down Stronghold, and really looking forward to that. 1320 01:55:49.199 --> 01:55:53.279 What are we talking about next week? Very quickly, Alison, what 1321 01:55:53.479 --> 01:55:58.399 is the topic that we've got for next week? We're dealing with depression? 1322 01:55:58.479 --> 01:56:03.359 Depression week lovely, I'm not lovely, but okay for me, I think 1323 01:56:03.399 --> 01:56:06.560 I want to just close it with three minutes over the over the hour, 1324 01:56:06.840 --> 01:56:10.479 Pedro, if you can pray for us, but for me, what I 1325 01:56:10.560 --> 01:56:14.760 want to take away from from this program is, or what I want to 1326 01:56:14.920 --> 01:56:16.680 end with, is your serenity prayer. It's a lovely prayer. It's one 1327 01:56:16.680 --> 01:56:20.640 I've heard said over and over again, and it's a good reminder today and 1328 01:56:20.680 --> 01:56:25.880 I think I may even post it. God grant me the serenity to accept 1329 01:56:26.039 --> 01:56:30.319 the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, 1330 01:56:30.880 --> 01:56:34.000 and the wisdom to know the difference. Thank you so much for that reminder, 1331 01:56:34.199 --> 01:56:39.000 Pedro. Sorry, I'm going to get the bishop coming in saying it's 1332 01:56:39.079 --> 01:56:45.279 time. But if you could close yourself, I could have. Indeed I 1333 01:56:45.359 --> 01:56:48.439 could have could have, but I did ask you so I know you're, 1334 01:56:48.479 --> 01:56:55.880 you're, you're already we go through this new week. As we start this 1335 01:56:56.000 --> 01:56:59.800 week, we want to ask Lord that you will give us the knowledge and 1336 01:57:00.159 --> 01:57:05.199 standing and and the spirit in our soul to if we are dealing with something 1337 01:57:06.039 --> 01:57:10.199 that is just not right with our spirit, our soul, that you will 1338 01:57:11.920 --> 01:57:15.079 have us to come to your brayer, to go to somebody for help, 1339 01:57:16.000 --> 01:57:20.359 to try to have the problem rectify yourself, have an a follow with your 1340 01:57:20.399 --> 01:57:25.640 help. We thank you that you have brought us this far and this long, 1341 01:57:25.720 --> 01:57:27.920 and react that you will continue to be with for us and watch over 1342 01:57:28.000 --> 01:57:32.079 us and everything we do, and say that we may be ready for when 1343 01:57:32.119 --> 01:57:38.279 you come to pick us to take us back for eternity what our brain Holy 1344 01:57:38.359 --> 01:57:43.119 name. Amen, thank you, thank you for staying with us, thank 1345 01:57:43.199 --> 01:57:45.560 you for joining in. And as we said, we'll be back next week. 1346 01:57:45.600 --> 01:57:48.640 We'll share the details again so that you can be part of the conversation. 1347 01:57:48.840 --> 01:57:54.800 Thank you, Allison. It's good night from me Zanya. Good night 1348 01:57:54.840 --> 01:58:05.279 for Angela and Pedro, and good night God, bless you and I have 1349 01:58:05.479 --> 01:58:13.439 a wonderful week. Blessing Adventist Radio London. Inspiration for the song