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What is krack Alac and Philo therbal
nuclear efforts? I am Dance Valley coming

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at you. If you're watching mon
Bo, I promise not from parts where

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I've been kidnapped. I'm in my
old stomping grounds, my old office which

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is now empty in Vancant, and
I apologize for the sound quality, the

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video quality. This will be very
short intro. If you're watching us for

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the first time, I'm sure you'll
probably just skip ahead or go somewhere else.

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Again. Apologize to that, but
wanted to record a quick update because

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we have the Draymond Green suspension and
I recorded a little little bit on him

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before the news was announced. Most
of it is still pertinent, but he

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has been suspended for Game three.
Domat Simonis is currently questionable for Game three.

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I would expect him to play with
that Sturnham contusion. He did finish

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the game in game two, and
I don't want to belabor the Draymond Green

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point, but I just want to
sort of reiterate it a little bit.

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I would not have suspended him.
I hate seeing this series be decided in

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any way potentially buy a player's absence. I think the ejection overall was probably

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enough, and so was the technical
for salonas he grabbed his leg that actually

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happened. I know some people think
he was sort of bracing his face or

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whatever. He grabbed Draymond Green's leg, And so I get Draymond being frustrated

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and he's saying he's been grabbed all
series. Do Moss has been fucked around

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with all series as well? And
where I land on this is I wouldn't

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have suspended Draymond. I don't have
an argument for not suspending Draymond though he

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stopped on him and then he went
or stepped on him, however you want

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to phrase it. And then he
went and he was taunting the crowd at

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a game in which at which Adam
Silver was attending, the commissioner of the

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league was attending, and Draymonds and
the camera saying, you gotta love this

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shit taunting the fans, and I
kind of appreciate the performance from him.

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But at the same time, you
know, your reputation. The league came

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out and said it that your reputation
factored into that you need to be smarter.

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You know how important you are to
the Warriors, to their defense.

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It's even their playmaking, which Sacramento
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series, and to do that,
I just I won't buy heat of the

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moment. BS. I think it's
just that's what it is. It's complete.

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BS. You need to understand how
important you are to this team,

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how much in critical you are to
this team, and not put yourself in

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a position to where you might even
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a little bit unfair, even if
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you are, because the League came
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conversation that we had about them being
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when they're going out punishments. But
Draymond Greene knows his reputation, he knows

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his history with the league. Adam
Silver was at this game, and he's

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just exacerbating the issue by turning it
into this WWE like performance, which again

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was great for sort of the content. But when you're this important your team

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and you're down by four points in
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and you knew you could be down
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you have to be smarter. And
that's where I land on it. I

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would not have personally suspended him.
I don't think Draymond's this bad guy,

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but I think that what he did
was it's on him. It's ultimately on

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him. With that of the way, for anyone who's stuck with us,

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with any echoes that you hear,
our apologize or through this video where it

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looks like I was kidnapped, and
maybe I'll explain why I am where I

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am on the podcast with Grant in
a few days. Let's get to the

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actual mailbag of this episode. What
is kracklac in. Fellow thermonuclear affers,

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this mailbag. We'll do more of
a deep dive into the playoffs overall.

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But I'm trying to mainline as much
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point and kind of like to see
we have playoff questions, to be fair,

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but I kind of like to see
two or three games just to get

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more of a feel so that Grant
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So expect that to drop probably around
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deeper into our biggest I think we're
looking at either observations or we'll do surprises

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disappointments. But there's just a lot
of basketball happening right now, and I'm

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trying to watch as much of it
as humanly possible. Unless at this point

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I'm recording this mail bag before the
Atlanta Hawks Boston Celtics game. I'll watch

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that a little bit, but as
soon as seven thirty comes around, shifting

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over to the Cows and Nicks,
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Atlanta Hawks Celtics series at this point, just because I don't really know what

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I'm going to learn other than that
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so let's start here. I'm not
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or we had some Twitter questions I
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Members get priority mail bag access as
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discord. Like I said before,
our first question comes from Karrigan, who

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has two and I liked both of
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answer both of them. The first
question coming from Karrigan is if you're Danny

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Ainge and you could go back in
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Jaden McDaniels. Shit. I saw
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is gonna be like really difficult for
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Nah, I want to say yes, I would do it because Jamie

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Dame is about to get paid.
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skills and plays a more a defensive
position that's more in demand, and does

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things on defense that are more in
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who is already one of the best
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want to get into the cost aspect
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you would want. Okay, we
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rebuild. We have Larry marking and
on a big deal. We did pay

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Colin Sexton, va Sign and Trader
are we're gonna resign Jordan Clarkson if we

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want this guy that we're gonna have
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twenty five plus million dollars in his
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you would you rather have Walker Kessler
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for four years, as opposed to
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control versus three for Walker Kessler.
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going to give you more on ball
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I do think the Jazz, look
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the spacing they had, you would
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so if that was on the table
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of like, instead of Walker Kessler, absolutely would have done it at this

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moment, and I think they would
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at this moment it's a little bit
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but I would still do it.
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argument against it would just be we
don't want to pay him, which I

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just think would be bombers. You
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who is a fucking absurdly good should
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front of the wall, though,
as we all know. Next question from

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Karrigan. This one did not see
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it. Should the Jazz go after
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both their picks this year? As
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land at number nine in the lottery
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expected to get from Minnesota. I
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you LaMelo Ball. I want to
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trading the Horns. Aren't just trading
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make that much money right now.
He can sign a MAX extension this summer,

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but that's not going to kick in
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And so you're looking at his money
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even eleven million dollars. You would
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up both my first round picks this
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LaMelo Ball. If I'm the Jazz, that's really the question, and my

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answer is just it's yes. LaMelo
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but you look at the decision making
that he's able to have that or

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the influence. I should say that
his decision making has in transition his ability

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to get the team up and running. Guys are going to sprint harder when

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they're near him because they know that
they'll find him. We're talking about someone

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who really does a nice job operating
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think as a jump shooter at least
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about his ability to get to the
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rebounding and the fit right now.
And this is what's hard. You're not

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giving up Larry Market in this deal. The Hornet's aren't gonna want him,

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and if you're getting LaMelo Ball,
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immediate timeline. I don't know if
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Those two could play together, especially
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or you just continue to make Collin
Sexton, you're sixth man. The idea

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of having LaMelo Ball, Larry Marketing, and Walker Kesler on the same team,

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though, makes so much functional sense
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even funny, Like that is a
team that has a real baseline that could

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do some damage immediately. And you're
the yeahs, you've all these extra first

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round picks loading around, and so
could you get LaMelo Ball without giving up

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Walker Kessler? I think you could
because Charlotte, I'm not saying the Hornet's

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gonna trade him, to make that
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But they have Mark Williams and so
like they even have j T. Thor,

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who showed a lot towards the end
of the season. Like they have

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big man options. And again,
while the Hornets are taking a bunch of

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swings looking at Kai Jones as well
and having Mason Plumley for a bit,

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they've taken swings on centers in theory
that's among a rim protecting center, and

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if you want a rim rolling center, a play finishing center, that is

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an easier hole to fill than like
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and so if you're the Jazz and
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Acbaji who really came on later in
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picks in addition or two. First, I would absolutely look at you have

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picks to spare, you tap space
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need to think twice about it unless
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McDaniel's discussion. You're scared of paying
LaMelo Ball his next contract and there might

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be a little bit more tredence to
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the higher ceiling than Jade McDaniels,
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especially with this ankle stuff, and
then his contract is going to be that's

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a max extension. That's Jane McDaniels. That could end up being what it

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is, but that's just a max
extension for Lameloball. And so if you

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don't want to get into that business, I understand why you might be more

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reticent there, but that that really
wouldn't be a decision for me. I

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did want to touch upon. And
since we're getting this news now, I'm

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glad that I waited because I saw
some of it trickling out. But should

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Raymond Green be suspended for his light
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Sa Bonus in Game two between the
Kings and the Warriors. It does not

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look like he's going to be suspended
persh Sham Sharania. Looks like he's going

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to be fined. He was ejected
from that game. I think the factors

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that go into it. It certainly
helps that Doma Sa Bonus his X rays

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on his Sternham came back negative.
I found it kind of hysterical that Draymond

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Green had requested an MRI or X
Rayever, it was on his ankle that

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Doma Sa Bonus grabbed. My thoughts
on this are not particularly complex. I

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saw a lot of people saying that
Sabonus didn't actually grabbed Green's ankle or lock

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it in. He was just trying
to like cover his face. Abe,

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he grabbed the ankle. When you
go he grabbed the ankle. We could

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admit Simonis grabbed Draymond Green's ankle.
If you're Draymond Green, you have to

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know that you are too important to
the Golden State Warriors to stomp on a

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player or step on a player,
even if it's out of frustration, even

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if you think it's unfair that you
got ejected or might have been suspended because

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of your reputation. You know your
reputation, You know how you're gonna get

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refereed or officialed. You need to
be smarter than that, and I would

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be if he ended up being suspended. That might cost the Warriors the series.

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At that point, you have to
be smarter than that. This is

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this is on him more than it's
on anybody else. It's you know,

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yes, you, I guess you
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but you did something that warranted very
clearly in ejection and potentially raise the

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question of will you be suspended.
You could have yelled or something like gotten

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in his face where you've known that
you would have gotten a technical rather than

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getting ejected. And I don't buy
it to this heat of the moment bullshit,

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because you have now been in the
league for all these years, you've

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won four championships. You've cost your
team one championship by getting suspended for that

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Game five matchup versus Cleveland in twenty
sixteen. You could argue the trickle down

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effect of oh, well, would
they have gotten Katy if they won that

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year? YadA, YadA, YadA. I don't know. They went two

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titles with Katy. You understand how
you were viewed among officials in the league,

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whether it's fair or not. You
have to be smarter than that under

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these circumstances. And I thought there
was I don't want to say restraint.

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That feels like too much of a
compliment to drain out in this situation.

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But I didn't think, and I've
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didn't think that he liked and I'm
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You would be on YouTube, can't
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like stopped it before Sabonus' chest,
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was an overreaction from Sabonus. But
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clearly contact there. Maybe Green definitely
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but like, what are you doing
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out ages to me, and to
see Warriors fans Twitter, some of them

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not all of them just still defend
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say, yeah, so Bonus grabbed
his ankle, but like this is Draymond

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Like he punched one of your own
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ever going to get the benefit of
the doubt. And quite fairly, they're

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lucky he didn't get suspended. And
I don't know how you watch that and

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don't think that even if and it's
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I'm not trying to defend Sabonis here. Sabonis and Draymond Green both getting bounced

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around in this matchup. It's been
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all year, just like Green things. He's been grabbed all series and all

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year as well. I'm not defending
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ankle. Whatever, that's a fair
that's fairly dangerous. Green came back with

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an over at the top reaction and
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displace like that blame or say it
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an extra in your ankle, Like
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You're a fantastic basketball player. You're
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fucking cavalier with how you're letting your
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you. And I understand that Draymond's
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the Golden State Warriors dynasty, and
that the chaos he can inflict both on

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and off the court, has its
value. But like dude, that's frustrating

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as hell. If I was,
if I was the Warriors so and honestly,

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look, that might have cost you
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back as sort of this flashbowl moment
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The Warriors were kind of in the
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to the Kings who have who've staved
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already in this series. There they
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gave them enough credit by picking the
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I clearly didn't give them nearly enough
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I don't think Draymond should be suspended
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matchup defended or like to play out
in this way where it's old Raymond missus

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a game and then we have to
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YadA, YadA. I don't want
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and I ultimately probably still think the
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stays in the game, But if
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have a good argument other than that
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it impacts the series and the way
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I just beyond that defense. There
there is no Draymond just needs to

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be smarter in these situations, whether
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of his reputation or not. Uh, it's Alan asked, will John Morant

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get the injury prone label in the
playoffs narrative like Zion or a d after

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this gonna be the second year in
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when Memphis is eliminated. I'm laughing
because that the phrasing from Uh, it's

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Alan just assuming that the Grizzlies are
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the Lakers, which I know you
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could understand why you might think that. So No, because it's been two

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times and I think what's interesting here
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first. So we had the dealing
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his status for game two is questionable, But what would report ordered that it

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feels unlikely he'll be ready. And
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the one who reported that Maranchus sounded
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would throw around lightly, and so
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Maybe we hear differently by the end
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it the was it the ankle last
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right knee last year. Yes,
there's an inherent risk to the way that

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John Moran plays because his game is
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the basket. And so maybe you
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call him injury prone when we know
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the playoffs. At this point,
I guess it's semi fair, not on

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the level of his eye on but
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not even a level on an ad
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run ins. Yeah, he might
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worry about his landing mechanisms when he's
coming down from a dunker just taking off

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from god knows where, because he
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takeoff points. By the way,
that that shows real Like I want to

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have that type of fearless athleticism,
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more. And I think, and
it's like with a d where it's fair

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to call him injury prone, but
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necessarily, it feels more like bad
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I would probably need to see this
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to see it happen again, but
like he would have to miss another chunk

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of next season and then get hurt
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two years to start thinking like,
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new normal for him? I do
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of fair to question about Zion,
is his prime window shortened just because of

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how pridate on athleticism he is and
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it could be fair to have that
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same concern with John Morant because his
game is so predicated on athleticism and explosion

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and there's look, there's real IQ's
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they can go under on screens against
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be a Russell Westbrook situation where once
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that we just see his career sort
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the way, it can still be
really explosive, but it would just be

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too soon for me to go to
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Maybe should we say like injury prone
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John Morant that feels more fair to
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Next question comes from Braden and they
ask I want give us your over

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game one overreactions or early season playoff
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a pod more on this, and
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this just because I'm about to talk
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wants, hot takes or over reactions
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is gonna change because these theres are
gonna be three game twos being played on

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Tuesday night. I don't care.
I'm gonna give you the rundown fairly,

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hopefully, fairly quickly. Of my
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seeing these teams. And I have
seen every single game, every single game

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one in full, and I saw
both saw I missed part of Philly Brooklyn

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I'm not gone back and watched it
in Game two, but I saw most

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of that one, and then I
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I've obviously not seen any of the
game twos again taking place on Tuesday

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night, Phoenix, La Boston,
Atlanta, Nick's Cavaliers. So my overreactions

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are as follows, in no particular
order. I would trade our number one.

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I would trade RJ. Barrett into
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That's probably not the right overreaction to
have after his Game one where he

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was pretty solid defensively, but I
just I don't see it on offense anymore.

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And if you're moving forward with Joyn
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I just don't And that contract didn't
look like an albatross. Now,

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I would absolutely do it if for
teams willing to, and I'm sure you

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get something else to re term.
But I'm saying you don't need to view

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r J. Barrett's at Blockbuster Magnet
anymore. That's like the more level headed

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take. I think there might be
a discussion. I've had this off air

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with some people. Maybe this is
when you look at moving Julius Randall,

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But that's just that's just not how
the franchise thinks. That's I'm at with

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RJ. Barry Austin Reeves. This
is the Lakers is getting a poison pill

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from the Jazz Pacers or Magic who
can create some cap space. He'd be

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a good fit there. His poison
pill looks something like four years, one

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hundred million dollars. The way it
works is he can get non tax payramid

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level money in year one and year
two, and then his salary can jump

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to his maximum in year three and
four. Basically, that's how you get

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the Lakers to think twice about mac
matching. Do I really believe that one

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of those teams is gonna come over
the top with the full max No,

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which can I see one of these
teams crafting a poison pill, knowing how

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cheap LA has been in the past
with their free agents. Yeah, I

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absolutely could see it, and he
deserves it. He's a primary ball handler.

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Down the stretch of Game one for
the Lakers, he made some big

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shots, someone whose wink can hold
up fairly well on defense, and it's

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just brought a ton of energy to
the Lakers. And look, lebron knew

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it from day one, right from
the first practice, that he was gonna

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be more than a two way player. That's not a liar, an overstatement

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at all. For the Warriors,
Jordan Pool needs to be traded. I

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know that he's dealing with a bum
ankle. I just don't see it anymore.

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There are games like Game two where
you need to have good Jordan Pool

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games because teams are throwing I would
say the kitchen kitchen sink its step.

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But we've seen everything from the Kings, Jews, Okay de Aroon Fox's athleticism

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against Steph We saw box in one, we saw them blitz in, we

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saw them change the pickup points.
They probably did a trillion other things that

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I'm not smart enough to spotlight.
And then you need a good Jordan Pool

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game because you're forcing everyone else to
create. We just don't get it from

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Jordan Pool. It's almost just like
he has the most turbulent peaks and valleys

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in the entire MBA, and I
don't see I don't see him as part

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being an integral part of any of
the timelines for the Warriors at this point.

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That's just where I'm at. And
look, his highs are highs,

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but his lows are just too low
for me. For Denver, the Nuggets

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will win the West while never seeing
a Game seven. That's something that's the

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benefit of playing this sad sack version
of the Minnesota Timberwolves we saw in Game

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one. Whether I truly believe that
is a different story might be over correcting

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from we caught a lot of shit. We pig Nuggets in five Bull Grant

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and I against the Wolves. We
caught a lot of shit because I said

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something seems off in Denver, and
so many fans are just like, yeah,

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they were just sort of, you
know, schlepping their way through the

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end of the season. They didn't
have anything to play for. This wasn't

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a big deal. Maybe that's true. I just with the things that Michael

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Malone was saying and just how poorly
they played in some instances. I didn't

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biden full Maybe I'm wrong. It
felt like something was amiss. But let's

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see how they hold up against teams
who aren't the Timberwolves first. This version

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of the Timberwolves. That being said, my faith in my title pick never

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wavered completely, but it might be
not an adult. It's definitely not at

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an all time because I felt pretty
good at different points of this season.

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But it's it's it's unflappable at the
moment. I've probably wavered a little bit

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as the season's gone up and down, and especially after the Kevin Durant trade

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in Phoenix, but it's unflappable right
now. For the Cavaliers. They fucked

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up letting Kevin Love go or not
adding another playable big to their rotation.

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They got absolutely like destroyed on the
offensive glass by the Knicks, and their

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one big lineups with that have had
issues all season, whether it's just Jared

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Allen or just Evan Mobley. That's
probably the biggest knock against Mowblei right now

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is he's not super brawny, and
I picked him as my defensive Player of

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the Year. I have hashtag no
regrets for that. But you're going to

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give up strength against even someone like
Mitchell Robinson or and Isaiah Hartenstein, like

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Mowbley could just be tossed around a
little bit more, and also someone like

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the same could probably be said for
Jilt Aaron Wow, Jared Allen, and

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Moby's gonna be spending a little bit
more time away from the basket, whether

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it's defensive rebounding or offensive rebounding as
well. I think Kevin Love could have

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probably helped them in this matchup and
wouldn't have been Yeah, the Knicks can

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kind of mismatch Hunt, but the
speed at which they play a lot of

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the time unless you're putting him against
their all bench units. And again,

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we're not even gonna see a ton
of those that are looking to like jack

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up the pace because Jalen Brunton and
Julius Rand we're gonna play a crap ton

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of minutes. I think that the
Calves are really gonna end up and some

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people might immediately point to we'll look
at how much they struggled with their three

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rotation cars. LeVert will be better. They'll be able to get better minutes

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from an Isaaco Korro. Maybe we'll
see more of Danny Green, Jenny Osman,

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some strong minutes for them. They
just have no perfect solutions, but

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they have a bunch of solutions,
so I'm just sticking with that. For

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the Bucks, Brook Lopez might be
the most underrated player in the NBA,

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which is saying something because he's probably
gonna finish second or he did finish second

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and Defensive Player of the Year voting. My other hot take would be he

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might get twenty five million dollars per
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which is wild to say as someone
who's age thirty five, but his

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rim protection, the base defense that
he gives the Bucks, it is scaled

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two minutes without any of the stars
on the court, and he is so

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important to what they do offensively,
not just because of his ability to spread

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the floor, but the stuff he
can do from the block, even when

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dribbling from the outside, and the
Bucks need to find a way to get

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him more touches, every sort of
touches. In Game two, especially if

401
00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:45,359
Jannie is in full bore, because
he's dealing with that that back injury that

402
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,039
kept that back contusion that kept him
out of a good chunk of Game one.

403
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,799
For the Clippers, let's stick with
big men of reaches two box and

404
00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:56,720
needs more scoring touches here. If
DeAndre is gonna defend like this, which

405
00:24:56,799 --> 00:25:00,240
is to say very minimally to not
at all, Like let's get I'm not

406
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,759
staying you need to throw it to
a Versi Zubots on the block against him,

407
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,799
but like, let's get him involved
in more pick and roll actions and

408
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,759
throw him the ball more on rolls, like get him moving downhill. Your

409
00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:15,319
team can use the extra rim pressure
anyway. And I thought they went away

410
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,960
from him a little bit too much
in the second half of game woman.

411
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,880
I'm interesting to see how they go
about it in game two. This is

412
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,400
going to spill into my son's overreaction, but I want to make sure that

413
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,960
I give you credit to people who
ask questions about them. That's I guess

414
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,200
just not mission critical. But like
when you don't know what offensive performance you're

415
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,200
gonna get from russ or even a
Norman Powell on a game to game basis,

416
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,559
and you try it out on Thailand, and that's not necessarily working from

417
00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:44,920
an efficiency perspective, it feels like
zoobots because it was rebounding and because of

418
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,160
what he could do is just a
finisher out of the pick and roll in

419
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:52,759
the screens he could set. That's
one of your best courses towards efficient offense,

420
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,359
aside from just giving it to Kawhi
Leonard and telling him to go.

421
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,759
But yeah, that would be my
Clippers of a reaction to the other.

422
00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:03,680
Other overreaction might just be that Terrence
Man is potentially one of the five most

423
00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:07,480
underpaid players in the league after his
extension kicks in, when he's making basically

424
00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:11,599
mid level money after this season.
Dude is good and I still don't understand

425
00:26:11,599 --> 00:26:15,640
why it took so long to kind
of iron out his spot in the Clippers

426
00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:18,240
hierarchy. And I think you could
even argue that, well, is it

427
00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:22,480
even iired out right now? He
played. He didn't even play twenty five

428
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,160
minutes in Game one if I remember
correctly. So we love Terrence Man on

429
00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:27,519
this podcast is basically all. I
don't want to speak for Grant, but

430
00:26:27,559 --> 00:26:30,359
I'm gonna speak for Grant. We
love Terrence Man on this podcast. For

431
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:37,160
the Celtics, Derek White has All
Star potential still he made my second team

432
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,519
All Defense. I did read that
Zach Ohim on first team All Defense,

433
00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:44,759
which is that's wild, not like
in a bad way, but that's the

434
00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:47,759
type of season he had. And
he's just become more aggressive offensively, shot

435
00:26:47,839 --> 00:26:49,920
the hell of the ball from three
this year. He was ultra aggressive against

436
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:55,440
the Hawks, and I feel like
if we rewind this like a year till

437
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,599
last year, he just wouldn't have
been this free flowing and fluid on offense.

438
00:26:59,799 --> 00:27:02,759
And it's is someone who I feel
like, you know, he could

439
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,680
he could have a twenty points per
game season just playing entirely within the flow

440
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,119
of the offense. And if you're
gonna do that while playing all defense level

441
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:15,200
defense, you have all Star potential
in you. And so is do we

442
00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:18,759
get to the conversation of as Derek
White Boston's third best player? I thought

443
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:22,240
that didn't feel spicy enough because there's
Tatum and Brown, and then I guess

444
00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:25,319
if you want to go r W
three, is that really the argument in

445
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,359
front of White or Brockden. Those
are really don't smart Horford. Those are

446
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,039
all players with cases. I don't
know if any of them are particularly strong.

447
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,160
So I'm going with Derek White has
All Star potential still if I set

448
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,279
the over under on the number of
All Star bids, births appearances that Derek

449
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,079
White makes in his career at zero
point five, so we're saying it will

450
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,400
make one. Let's just take the
over here. Let's just be really spicy

451
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,960
Atlanta. My takeaway for them is
they need to start planning for their off

452
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,119
season. My actual overreaction would be, can they get weird? There's like,

453
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,920
let's throw Clink Capella on Marcus Smart, so I would say Derek White,

454
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:03,319
but just sort of like, there
are quite too good to go against

455
00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:07,599
Clickapell offensively right now? Or do
you just skew the complete opposite direction?

456
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,359
And some of their five out lineups
had worked, and that's going to force

457
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,519
them into more three point volume.
I don't like the idea of having both

458
00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:15,480
on Yaka kong Wu and Clink Upela
on the bench. And we all know

459
00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:18,680
how we feel about John Collins at
the five lineups, but throw them out

460
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,799
there with DeAndre Hunter and Jean Day, Murray Boatabodovitch, and Trey Young.

461
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,119
It's they'll have better shooting nights.
And Trey talked about their need for three

462
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,640
point volume. Get fucking weird,
like this is just you're not even I

463
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:30,640
don't want to say it's found money. No one expects you to win this

464
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,200
series. You're not gonna win this
series. Just just try it. I

465
00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:38,400
would like to see more of that
with again key lineups, like we saw

466
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,440
a little bit of it with like
bench stuff and maybe do you count de

467
00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:45,799
Jean day Murray is five shooters and
five I would I would still get there.

468
00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:48,319
He shot well enough from three during
the regular season for Miami. I

469
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,480
want to see them. And this
is I guess it's not an overreaction in

470
00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:53,640
theory, but it is because of
what do it means for bam at a

471
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,720
Baio. But Miami needs more Jimmy
plus four shooter lineups. Some of those

472
00:28:56,759 --> 00:29:00,839
were just really really effective against Malwauke
and it came down to, oh,

473
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,000
Gay Vince's and Max Strews, we're
hitting their threes. But just it makes

474
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,599
so much sense with the rim pressure
Jimmy can provide and what he's gonna do

475
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,279
with the ball in his hands,
and how he can take advantage if you

476
00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:14,559
have spacing. He provides more of
it by getting in to the lane and

477
00:29:14,599 --> 00:29:17,920
forcing defenses to collapse. It's a
little bit harder to do with bam Adebayo

478
00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:21,119
there, and defenses since the end
of the All Star Break have been game

479
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,440
planning for bam Matabayo more on offense. I'm not telling you to pull Bam.

480
00:29:23,799 --> 00:29:26,160
Maybe it's more of, hey,
let's go Bam plus four shooters as

481
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,880
well. When Jimmy's on the bench, you need to lean into that.

482
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,200
And so that means playing a bunch
of Max Strews and then figuring out,

483
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,160
okay, who are our shooters without
Tyler Hero and that does get a little

484
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,480
finnicky. Should Kyle Lowry play more
in game two? I mean maybe?

485
00:29:42,319 --> 00:29:47,599
I think it really means like Streuss
and Vincent and then Kevin Love needs to

486
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:48,400
be on the court and then you
flesh it out from there. It's all

487
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,880
right, we need to roll the
dice on as Kla Martin count as a

488
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,000
shooter. He was two of three
in game one? Or again, does

489
00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:59,480
does do we get like good Kyle
Lowry games? It's I don't think this

490
00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:02,480
is gonna be an the Robinson series. Their rotation is going to be so

491
00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:07,480
compact that the options are so few
and far between. But it's maybe we

492
00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:11,000
need to stagger Jimmy and Bam like
even more during the post, which sounds

493
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:14,440
like just batshit bonkers, and it
might be, but that was where they

494
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,039
found some of their biggest success against
Milwaukee is they had these line ups where

495
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:22,000
was Butler and just four shooters out
there. And again I'm not advocating to

496
00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:25,480
play Bam at a bio less and
he logged. He had four fouls,

497
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,240
so he finished one under thirty three
minutes. But those are lineups that I

498
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:30,480
can see really working for Miami.
But let this be a lesson for how

499
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:34,039
you kind of flesh out the roster
leading in the next season, if you're

500
00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:37,279
going to make moves on the trade
market, and where you're looking for in

501
00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:41,319
free agency. I thought about they
need to sort of uncorked Victor Roladipo in

502
00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:42,599
this, but I really don't see
it. I don't think Milwaukee is a

503
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:48,640
Victor Oladipo. A depot series,
an Irish fallestra seems against it. How

504
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,839
many teams we got left, uh
in Minnesota, they should see your Dallas

505
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,680
is willing to take Rudy Gobert still
in a trade just I don't He's been

506
00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:57,960
super slow in a bunch of matchups. Maybe he's still dealing with back stuff,

507
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,920
but I don't need to see And
he made one of them against Denver,

508
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,160
but it was in garbage time at
that point, I don't need to

509
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,799
see m put on the ball,
put the ball on the floor and spin

510
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:10,559
into the hooper into the defender.
It's just it's awkward, and I don't

511
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,319
I just don't see it. There's
been too many adjustments already that you've needed

512
00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:15,119
to make to, you know,
create a sequel system around Gobert. I

513
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,119
don't know that he maximize it anymore. And I'm just Carlyton Town is a

514
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,039
better player, even if you think
his swings are are worse. And there's

515
00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:23,680
probably a way too if you want
to go still the dual big route,

516
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,720
Hey naz Reid is here, still
going to be a free agent with cheap

517
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:30,000
and Gobert, or you can find
someone who at least protects the basket for

518
00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:34,079
a lot cheaper than Gobert. My
other, my final one before we get

519
00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:37,640
to the Sun's Sacktown is underrated on
defense. It's look at what they've done

520
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,200
in this Golden State series, and
we've talked about it on this podcast.

521
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,599
They had good fundamentals all year.
They rebound the basketball, they hit the

522
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,440
defensive glass, they don't foul a
ton because their offense is so good,

523
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,359
they focus on getting back in transition. Now they focus more on offensive rebounding,

524
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,759
which they did punt on during the
regular season. They focused more on

525
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,880
it against the Warriors, which makes
sense because they're undersized, and if you're

526
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,519
going to disrupt sacramentals haf court offense, almost if you're missing more shots,

527
00:32:01,559 --> 00:32:06,200
you want to create those second chance
opportunities. So I get that, but

528
00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:08,960
like they've thrown a ton of different
shit. That's Steph Curry. They've made

529
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:14,880
Draymond Green really uncomfortable as a passer
throughout this series. Damian Mitchell has been

530
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,200
able to stay on the floor offensively, especially in Game two. I think

531
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,759
you look at the job that Harrison
Barnes is done for the most part,

532
00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:23,160
even Fox, like his athleticism is
just held up on a bunch of possessions

533
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,680
in this series. Did and what
I mean underrated on defense. So I

534
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,279
think that they're a top ten defense
is currently constructed. Now I would still

535
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:32,039
say they're in the bottom ten,
but they're like, can we talk about

536
00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:37,640
what a game changer it would be
if if they got a I'm not even

537
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,000
thinking it. Ogann and Obie like
a Royce O'Neil on this team. How

538
00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:44,480
much of a difference that would make. So that's where I'm at with them.

539
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,400
Philly's overreaction, but let me go
to Brooklyn's overreaction. And I don't

540
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,000
know if there's overreaction so much as
just stating facts. I guess they're better

541
00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:54,519
built to defend a well and beat
than I thought. They've thrown a bunch

542
00:32:54,519 --> 00:32:59,839
of doubles in him. Kudos to
Royce O'Neill speaking of him for the resistance

543
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,640
he put up against Joel Ebiad in
game two and being still had this wildline,

544
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,559
he was fantastic on defense or just
like twenty points and seven assists whatever,

545
00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:08,440
being a bunch of turnovers. He
would have had so many more shots,

546
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:13,000
so many more points, so many
less errors if Royce O'Neil just wasn't

547
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,880
throwing his body on him. And
I think you have to give the Nets

548
00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:22,240
a lot of credence for the way
that they've defended Embiad despite being like there

549
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:27,759
they excuse smaller regardless and then like
one of their primary bigs and Nicholas Claxton

550
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,200
like he's not super burly, he's
just he's very he's rail thin. And

551
00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:35,400
so you look at the job they've
been able to do on Embiad who still

552
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,279
had a good series. It could
be so much worse if you, like

553
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:43,240
you didn't even even Cam Johnson,
like if you just didn't have Michael Bridges.

554
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:45,359
We know what you can do as
an help defender, and so I've

555
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,839
been impressed, and I would say
that Brooklyn's better built to disrupt Philly's offense.

556
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,839
Then I kind of thought, or
at least the imbid element of Phillies

557
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,480
offense for the Nets overreaction. I
don't really know what to take away from

558
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,720
this. I'm like, I'm trying
to like, I don't feel like super

559
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:04,319
passionate about anything of the Nets right
now. Let's just say that Cam Johnson's

560
00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:07,359
gonna get twenty five million dollars a
year and restricted free agency from them because

561
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,360
he's been instrumental in the series.
I think he's kind of reminding us that

562
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:15,440
he's more mobile on defense than than
his build suggests. Or then you would

563
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,440
think of someone who's mostly a one
position player, like you're not gonna play

564
00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:21,360
him at the three. You're probably
more likely to play with the five than

565
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,199
the three. Maybe not on a
team that excus position list like the Nets

566
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:30,119
keen with all their rangey wings on
the roster, but that might shock some

567
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:31,840
people. I think it's sticker price
in free agency is gonna end up shocking

568
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,599
some people, and maybe it won't. But he's he's really good. And

569
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:37,719
I say that he's been outscored,
the Nets have been outscored when by twenty

570
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,440
four points when he's been on the
floor this series. I believe if I

571
00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:44,719
missed any team, I'm sorry.
I'm just fatigued from it. But that's

572
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,159
where I'm at. I did miss
the Suns, which is who I'm gonna

573
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:52,880
get to. Because Rome eighty one
eighty asked I want to hear your son's

574
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:58,960
overreactions specifically, And then we also
have Swag saying is it an overreaction to

575
00:34:59,039 --> 00:35:01,199
believe they will burn out with the
lineups? Monty puts out that core forward

576
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,719
is going a lot a lot of
minutes at mileage and they don't have great

577
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:10,519
help to answer swags questions. First, swags question, First, I'm pluralizing

578
00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:14,480
it. I don't mean to.
I don't think that's an overreaction because you

579
00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:17,000
Kevin Randt playing forty five minutes in
game one, you had Devin Booker playing

580
00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:22,599
forty three minutes. That's just I
don't it's unpenable if you want to get

581
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:24,960
through the entire playoffs. It's just
not like I get some guys average forty

582
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,639
minutes. Durand still kind of working
his way back from injury though, and

583
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,960
you kind of just given the bad
luck he's tad. You're almost sort of

584
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:35,559
leaving a lot to chance. I
know it's the playoffs. I know that

585
00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:39,159
you have to leave everything on the
table, so to speak in cliche language,

586
00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:43,920
but geez, I don't want to
see Kevin rend playing forty five minutes

587
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:45,920
in the first game of around one
series, no matter how close it is,

588
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,719
if it doesn't go to overtime.
So no, I don't think that's

589
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,360
an overreaction. And they only had
looking at it now. Actually I realized

590
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,599
this in real time, they'd six
players a lot more than eight minutes,

591
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:00,679
and like, you need to I
know, I'm talking about you shrink your

592
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,519
rotation. But and campaign's injury deal
with knee stuff, that's a big part

593
00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:06,320
of it. So I think he
would go a long way. But you

594
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,800
gotta find someone else other than Landry
Shammitt, who you trust off the bench

595
00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:14,320
my overreactions for Phoenix. This is
not an overreaction, by the way,

596
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,679
but why are we being so hesitant
to play josh Akogi in this series?

597
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:22,039
I kind of understand after watching the
way that they use Tory Craig against Kawhi

598
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:24,760
Leonard and then what he was able
to do on offense, why they started

599
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,880
him. I know that a lot
of the Timeline podcast was they weren't necessarily

600
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:30,760
against it, but they want to
see a Kogie start. I think in

601
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:36,519
Game two, the dude just needs
to play more than seven minutes just because

602
00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:38,039
of what he gives you defensively.
He can help with your offensive rebounding.

603
00:36:38,039 --> 00:36:42,079
We've seen that be a slog.
We've seen the half court offense be a

604
00:36:42,119 --> 00:36:45,239
slog for you in that Game one
against the Clippers, who they're able to

605
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,559
switch and they just have more bodies
they could throw at you. But I

606
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:51,360
think we credited and Kawai was against
spectacular. They have terns Man Russ came

607
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,519
up with some huge defensive moments.
So just play a Kogi and hopefully that

608
00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:55,880
you'll figure it out on offense.
And even if your offense isn't perfect,

609
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,480
Like you still have the bailout option
of Kevin Durant. I want to have

610
00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:05,199
an overreaction of they don't use Kevin
Durant enough. But Zach Lowe said this

611
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,280
on his podcast Kevin rat ran twenty
five picking rolls. I think in game

612
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,960
one, which is basically a high
since he joined Phoenix, it might have

613
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,800
been high for a season. You
want to see him involved a little bit

614
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,440
more in crunch time. I think
he only had like two real possessions over

615
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:20,280
the final three minutes. That's not
a super spicy take. My actual take

616
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,760
here, I don't know if it's
spicy enough, Like can we play Bisbeck

617
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,880
beyonbo more over DeAndre eight and if
he's gonna give you, you know,

618
00:37:27,039 --> 00:37:30,559
next to zero thrust on the glass
or even just sort of like as this

619
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:36,559
defensive resistance at all. Maybe that
was more of a game plan from Monty

620
00:37:36,639 --> 00:37:38,840
Williams where you didn't want to see
him be more aggressive playing higher, but

621
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,480
at the very feast like Byambo is
going to clean up more of your missus

622
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,239
on the offensive glass. It fields
like at this point he's going to roll

623
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:51,440
harder to the basket. And I
also like the idea of I think you

624
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:52,840
could probably bring him out higher if
you wanted to. I don't want to

625
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,000
say if I love the idea of
that, but like we've seen him come

626
00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:00,400
out higher. Its curtainces and it's
worked. And so why why is this?

627
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,119
Sun Stands. If you're listening,
you can answer this for me.

628
00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:07,559
Why is this? I know they've
toggled between Landale and Beyonmbo. Neither of

629
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:09,000
them logged a ton of minutes.
They combined a log like twelve minutes in

630
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:13,079
game one. Why is this more
of a Landale series than a Beyonmbo series?

631
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:15,000
Would be my question? I played. I look, I'd start trimming

632
00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:17,639
the ship out of DeAndre aytans minutes
if you get another performance like you did

633
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,039
in game one from him, and
I know you might be more inclined to

634
00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:24,039
go Kevin Durant at the five there, Yeah, all right, Like fine,

635
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,159
as long as that doesn't involve like
too much of ish Wayne Wright at

636
00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:30,199
this point, who he ended up
being a disaster in his minutes there.

637
00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:35,800
You can explore that. But this
is a Bismock Beyonbo series. That is

638
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,599
my overreaction to this, that this
needs to be a bismac Beyonbo series for

639
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:43,360
the Phoenix Suns. Even if it
comes at the expense of DeAndre Etan's minutes,

640
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:46,280
this might age. It might sound
fucking stupid now, but it might

641
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:51,199
age incredibly poorly based off what happens
in game two. Maybe I'll get lucky

642
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,199
in ages and incredibly well. Though. I don't know if that was necessarily

643
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,880
the shortest way to go through my
overreactions of every series, but I think

644
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,800
I covered all sixteen teams. If
I forgot your team, it's because I

645
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:07,239
hate your team. This is a
fascinating question from Glad. They ask why

646
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,119
can't the rest that games be played
this physical throughout the regular season. Obviously

647
00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:14,039
the intensity isn't like this, but
I don't like how they pretty much called

648
00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:17,159
the game completely different. I'd be
very curious to see, and I try

649
00:39:17,199 --> 00:39:22,760
to find them. I haven't seen
anything concrete about studies being done with regard

650
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,039
to how games are called differently in
the playoffs. I do agree with you

651
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:29,559
though the intensity isn't ratted it up. It's high. I think part of

652
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:31,599
it is also we're not used to
seeing all the best players available all at

653
00:39:31,639 --> 00:39:36,440
once, and some of these lineups
and players so many heavy minutes. But

654
00:39:36,519 --> 00:39:37,559
I think they're just gonna let more
stuff go. And I don't know that

655
00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:42,039
this is a mandate, but they're
gonna allow games to be more physical because

656
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:47,360
you're not trying to preserve or safeguard
players against necessarily disaster at this point because

657
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:52,039
the season's over after this, and
that treats players more like chess pieces,

658
00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:53,760
and so I hate framing it that
way, but I just wonder if that

659
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:59,039
goes into the calculus or you want
to make there's that, and then you

660
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:05,559
want to be even more sure that
you don't become a primary driving force behind

661
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:08,719
the outcome of a game, where
you don't want a foul call to determine

662
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,599
why this playoff game was one,
or in Draymond Green's case, a suspension

663
00:40:13,679 --> 00:40:16,960
or objection to determine why a game
was one. They're undeniable instances like Raymond

664
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:22,039
Green stomping on someone's chest where you
have to maybe make those decisions. But

665
00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:24,719
I'm wondering if that goes into it
all. But I also just think that

666
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:29,480
the game is being played at such
a higher level, the execution overall might

667
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:31,960
be better. You have players,
your best players on the floor for longer

668
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,559
stretches and just more in general through
more games, and so is that going

669
00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:38,280
to make it so the officials aren't
going to have a huge of an impact

670
00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:40,480
on the game, or like I
said, it's it's just an edict.

671
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:45,000
It's the playoffs and it's understood.
It's the unwritten rule of we're gonna let

672
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:49,000
them be more physical, and I
think we've seen it kind of like on

673
00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:52,519
how they're calling charges, which is
it's also interesting there was the debate cropped

674
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:57,320
up on Twitter again ban the charge
versus not ban the charge. I fall

675
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,000
in the middle of this. I
think it's very weird for people to go,

676
00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:05,440
well, what about the offensive ratings
being at one fifty by banning the

677
00:41:05,639 --> 00:41:08,760
charge after as a response to people
who just want to see star players not

678
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,599
get injured, and we saw two
of them get hurt in these instances,

679
00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:19,119
including Yannis during the first week of
the playoffs. I'm not gonna follow people

680
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:21,239
who want to ban the charge because
they want to make sure that players are

681
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,039
healthy and preserved player safety. There
are functional implications of it. Though I'm

682
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:30,599
not team banned the charge. I'm
team like change the rules of the charge

683
00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:34,280
to where there's more Rob Mahoney had
treated this from the Ringer fantastic writer,

684
00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:37,760
but why is there not more of
a landing zone for drivers specifically like we

685
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,880
have for shooters, And then there's
still a lot that would be open for

686
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:46,519
interpretation. But I think that we
need to change the or remove the incentives

687
00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:51,320
of players coming in at the last
minute and undercutting guys who are on drives

688
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:53,280
or leaving their feet. You can't
ban the charge, because I do agree

689
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:57,760
they would have a major impact.
This is already an offense first league,

690
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,760
and it would skew even further in
that direction. But I also understand the

691
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,719
reaction where if it was an either
or scenario and the NBA refuses to kind

692
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:07,199
of open things up for interpretation more
or change it adjusted a little bit,

693
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,800
and it's just all or nothing.
I get why people want to ban the

694
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,800
charge, and so I do get
the concerns that come out of that.

695
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,119
But if it's you have to keep
the charge as it is rules versus banning

696
00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:22,639
it, I'm probably gonna lean towards
banning it because I'm just gonna want to

697
00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:25,679
see I'm gonna want to prioritize player
safety, and I don't think this is

698
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:30,119
one of those instances of well that's
addressing an issue that doesn't exist. It's

699
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:32,440
an issue that does exist, and
we saw it in the first round.

700
00:42:32,519 --> 00:42:36,039
We've seen it in the first round
of the playoffs already, just through a

701
00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:38,800
handful of games. I wish I
had a better answer for you, Glad

702
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,239
on why rests are calling like allowing
the game to be played more physical.

703
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,400
I just honestly think that it might. It might be sort of this unwritten

704
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:50,320
rule is you want to try and
keep things under control in the regular season

705
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,239
because you don't want there to be
this long term cost of letting the game

706
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:59,159
be so physical versus also once you
get to the postseason, it's just,

707
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,639
well, we don't want who insert
ourselves into the outcome of this game more

708
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:08,119
than we absolutely have to. Ian
has this question, which I find fascinating

709
00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:13,360
because I personally wouldn't consider it a
question, And to be clear, Ian's

710
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:21,079
basically asking a question off of something
he heard. The Mismatch Pod just talked

711
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:22,679
about how impressed it was that the
seventy six ers held the Nets to eighty

712
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,599
four points. I didn't watch the
game, but my first thought was when

713
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:29,239
I saw the score, was how
how the hell did the Nets hold the

714
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,199
sixers the under one hundred points.
I'm with you, Ian, as someone

715
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,800
who watched most of that game.
I missed the first quarter and a half

716
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:38,800
the net. From the next perspective, first looking at their offense, why

717
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,920
are you shocked? I know that
in theory they have all these wings and

718
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:45,039
they have a bunch of shooters on
the team. They were twenty third in

719
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:51,239
point score per possession after Mchael Bridges's
debut. They were sixteen in half court

720
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,159
efficiency, which I think is actually
pleasantly high for having such a dearth of

721
00:43:53,199 --> 00:43:57,320
creators. But they don't really look
to run, and they have a dearth

722
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,360
of creators. There's Michael Bridges and
Spencer didn't Red and that's it. You're

723
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,679
not trusting anyone else to operate off
the dribble. And we've seen mcaal Bridges

724
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:07,719
be overstretched as a playmaker during the
regular season and in this series that's gonna

725
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,920
be the next part of his evolution
is can he become someone who can survey

726
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,480
the defense, make the right pass, not making sort of these last second,

727
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:19,599
eleventh hour kickouts. So it doesn't
shock me that Philly, you know,

728
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,960
because you can look at the problems
Philly has had with their transition defensive

729
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,440
points this season. The Nets aren't
really looking to run either, so I'm

730
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:30,880
not shocked at all that the Nets
would have a bad offensive outing against the

731
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,239
Sixers, especially when Joel Embiad is
such a massive human who's just really keyed

732
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,199
in on defense right now, I'm
more impressed by what the Nets did defensively.

733
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:42,760
That they made life hell on Joel
Embiid. They've made life somewhat difficult

734
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,320
on James Harden, and it's been
at the expense of we'll let Tyris Maxi

735
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,480
try and beat us or Tobias Harris. Tyrris Maxie had a great Game two.

736
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:51,000
He was a lifeline for the Sixers, kept him afloat when it looked

737
00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:54,360
like they were going to lose.
But I'm more impressed by Yes, the

738
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,679
Nets have a lot of good defensive
players, and I think even when you're

739
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,079
looking at okay perimeters opping power,
in general, they're not a team on

740
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:06,000
paper that's built to make life difficult
on Joel Embiid. They're really not,

741
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,360
and they did in Game two,
and so your first thought Ian to me

742
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:15,480
was just absolutely correct. I am
more impressed by what the Nets did defensively

743
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,800
than what the Sixers did. And
that's not to discredit what the Sixers did,

744
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,880
but the Nets offense has not been
world beating during the mcale Bridges era,

745
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:27,039
and why would it be relative to
what they're coming off of, which

746
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:29,920
is when they had Kadi and Kyrie
Irving and now they have neither of them.

747
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:37,599
Next question comes from unbiased Pistons fan. They ask what archetype of player

748
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:42,119
will be overdrafted as a result of
this past season, like the small ball

749
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:46,320
fives after Golden State or the six
foot six since Athletics score after MJ and

750
00:45:46,519 --> 00:45:52,880
Kobe. I have not delved enough
into draft coverage to see what players would

751
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,599
even be available in this vein.
Do you know there's a lot of six

752
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:59,320
foot six, six foot nine guys
that are peppered up and down throughout the

753
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,719
lottery you're going through mock drafts.
I would think though, if there's like

754
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:07,239
an Arcat's type that's going to be
targeted. I'm wondering if it's wing type

755
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:13,880
players or small type players who can
set screens, because when you're looking at

756
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,960
and we saw this in the Suns
Clippers game, if you're going to try

757
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:22,119
and stash a big on like a
Tory Craig, you're just throwing him in

758
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:24,679
the screening action. And I don't
know if if you consider Tory Tory Craig

759
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:30,119
a good screener before, now he's
not something he did a ton for Phoenix.

760
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,719
But can you get those wings who
Yes, it's probably only in the

761
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,400
slot. I would say you're either
taking a swing later in the draft or

762
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:38,719
you're just looking for a role player. You're not going to do that at

763
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,159
the top of the draft. But
if you're looking to round out of rotation

764
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:45,719
and you see someone who, Okay, maybe we're not sold on their shooting.

765
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,840
This is someone who we might see
biggs cover so that they can roam

766
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,320
or that they can do more on
defense. Well, we're going to counter

767
00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:57,440
by putting them in the action as
the screener, because that's going to force

768
00:46:57,519 --> 00:47:00,159
the switch. But we also need
them to be able to make plays out

769
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:01,079
of that. They not only need
to screen, but like, can they

770
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:06,400
roll to the basket finished through contact, make things tougher on that. It'd

771
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,320
be ideally if you're just this like
really fantastic screener who could pop and then

772
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:13,679
you know, punish drop coverage,
your guys are gonna go under screens for

773
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,199
sure when you're just popping out,
But I'm just wondering if that becomes more

774
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:20,360
of some as we get into a
I don't know if the NBA is more

775
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,960
mismatch driven than ever, but when
you're looking at how many teams look to

776
00:47:24,039 --> 00:47:29,000
try and punish mismatches, and we
saw it in the Game one in particular,

777
00:47:29,199 --> 00:47:34,199
of the King's Warrior series, the
Kings have not run and had tip

778
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,800
to NBA Einstein who had a fantastic
threat about this on Twitter, but the

779
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,480
Kings were not a pick and roll
team. They run a lot of dribble

780
00:47:39,519 --> 00:47:43,320
handoffs. Like during the regular season, Golden State was able to do some

781
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,199
things to really blow those up,
as I think everyone expected. They went

782
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,599
to the pick and roll, which
they can do because they have Baron Fox

783
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:52,599
and the Bonus as a great screener. Bruis with the goal of putting Kevon

784
00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:55,519
Looney into those actions and so like
they're forcing mismatches. I think Kevon Looney

785
00:47:55,519 --> 00:47:59,159
probably did a better job and then
Kings just had some really tough finishes against

786
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:00,960
him in Game one, and that
a lot of the issues were at the

787
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,960
point of the attack for the Warriors. But that's Also part of it is

788
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,000
that if you think you're gonna blow
up the Warriors point of attack defense more

789
00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:08,079
by going to a pick and roll, and if they're not going to have

790
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,239
GP two on the court during those
situations, I just wonder if that's something

791
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,239
we could see. And I might
be wrong here. I still think that

792
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,440
the league, despite the failure in
Toronto, is just going to look for

793
00:48:17,559 --> 00:48:22,559
wings that can create and play and
defend multiple positions. But I'm just wondering

794
00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:25,519
if that's a wrinkle we see thrown
in when you're either taking flyers, whether

795
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:30,639
it beyond two way guys, undrafted
undrafted guys, or later in the first

796
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,400
round, maybe you're just looking for
someone around at the end of your rotation.

797
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,760
I could see that being just the
next trendy frontier is we need these

798
00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:43,719
wings or smalls who cannot only screen
really well, but then make plays out

799
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,360
of those screens, maybe going towards
the basket to keep these defenses on tilt,

800
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,320
who are going to try and change
things up to make life easier on

801
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,360
one their bigs, or just defensive
not I don't want to say liabilities because

802
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,519
I don't use zu bots necessarily,
as this huge liability he can be,

803
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,159
but you're not gonna be. We
want to make it harder, even against

804
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:07,239
our offensive liabilities to stash players,
for you to stash players from your team.

805
00:49:08,039 --> 00:49:12,000
Food for thought there. Let me
know your answers and discord. Anyone

806
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,320
who is actually listening to this podcast, this will be our last. It's

807
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:20,639
two questions and they come from Rome
eighty one eighty and so we'll get to

808
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,920
this element of it first. This
may have to wait because it may require

809
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,079
some prep rest to shore in Rome. I did some, though, but

810
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:29,360
I'd love to hear your thoughts.
I'm the greatest win win trades of all

811
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:30,920
the time, and where there's Sabonis, Halibert and trade will rank if Sacramento

812
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:36,079
wins a series or two bonus points
or trades that weren't blowing up scenarios.

813
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,960
Real seer Up twenty two nineteen also
says, relating to this last night during

814
00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:45,199
the King's Game, I was wondering
if teams should worry less about winning the

815
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:49,400
trade and more about making their team
better. The Kings aren't downbly better this

816
00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:52,199
year. Even if some people think
Caliberton is better than Sabonis or Fox or

817
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:59,559
will be better than sab bonis or
Sabonis or Fox. So this is fascinating.

818
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:01,519
I think I would caution that I
were too As someone who writes a

819
00:50:01,559 --> 00:50:06,199
lot of does a lot of trade
reactions, I will say that I think

820
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:12,639
we're too quick to jump on judgments
for trades where these things can play out.

821
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:15,039
Look at the and I said this
in discord, Look at the interpretation

822
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:19,119
of the Christops Porzingis trade to Dallas
when it first happened versus what it is

823
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,880
now. Most people thought the Knicks
lost that deal, didn't think they searched

824
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,920
hard enough for a high enough asking
price, and then it became oh,

825
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:30,960
the Mavericks really fucked up there.
So we need to let these things marinate.

826
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,239
And the Sabonus Halibert and trade is
one of those specifically because even if

827
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,639
the Kings's goal was getting better now, their ultimate goal was not just hey,

828
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,519
let's win a series. You want
to view this over the longer term.

829
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:45,079
If a trade is going to be
one in a single year, it's

830
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:49,239
because you. It would be because
the Kings won the title or came out

831
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,320
of the West. If they reach
an NBA Finals with Sabonus this year.

832
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,599
In this one year, maybe you
could even stretch it to conference finals based

833
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:58,880
off their history, that trade is
absolutely worth it. But I think makes

834
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,719
the trade more debatable now in a
good way is that what the Kings are

835
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:07,480
doing feels sustainable. They're not especially
old, They're not you know, their

836
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,519
draft asset well is not stripped,
even though they owe the twenty twenty four

837
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:15,719
selection to Atlanta, so they have
and they're not in cap hell. Yeah,

838
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,000
they can have cap space if they
don't want Harrison Mars this year.

839
00:51:19,079 --> 00:51:21,840
They're also going to have access to
the non tax payermid level exception, so

840
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:27,079
they still have plenty of mechanisms that
can help them improve their team bites at

841
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:30,719
the Apple when it comes to the
draft or trades. That's why it and

842
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,599
I panned the trade when it happened. I think Fox and the Bonus we're

843
00:51:32,599 --> 00:51:37,440
gonna be a good fit. I
was wrong, So I do think it's

844
00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:39,480
we have to look at trades,
all of them, really through a more

845
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:44,800
gradual lens than we do. But
I also recognized part of the business model,

846
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,719
including what we're doing this podcast,
is we want to provide those reflective

847
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:52,199
reactions. I enjoy trying to figure
it out and thinking about how player X

848
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,400
is going to fit on team why
or with player Z on his new team.

849
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:59,039
I really do enjoy that aspect of
this business. But I think we're

850
00:51:59,079 --> 00:52:02,079
real seer gets that. It is
interesting is that there probably are moves that

851
00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:07,039
are not made because you're afraid of
looking like a dumbass or it would be

852
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:09,360
the unpopular move at the time.
You have to kind of credit Monty McNair

853
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,519
for making what you had to know
is going to be a wildly unpopular trade

854
00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:16,000
amongst your fans, and it was
initially the Kings fans. Fan base is

855
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:20,000
generally very welcoming of new players,
and there are a lot of people that

856
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:22,599
came out in defensive it and understood
the logic, but they weren't happy about

857
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:25,880
it. So you have to credit
Monty McNair. Because public perception does factor

858
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:30,039
into how NBA front offices think.
I know that for a fact. It

859
00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:32,960
does not you know, a front
office reading stumbling across my fake trades piece.

860
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,559
No, that's not gonna have any
bearing on their on their thinking,

861
00:52:36,639 --> 00:52:39,719
but like they weigh that into their
decision making. How big, how much

862
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,760
of a share does that account for? That's going to depend on their front

863
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,320
office. So I do think to
real see overs point that front officers should

864
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:52,960
think be a little bit more risking
client, which is why let's look at

865
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,480
I'm not companying them for this,
but if the Hawks really did not believe

866
00:52:55,519 --> 00:53:00,760
in Luca don Chich and they thought
Trey Young was their guy's a that's a

867
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,800
gutsy trade to make. Now,
why didn't the Kings get the same treatment

868
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:07,000
of well, hey, they drafted
Marvin Bagley instead of Luca doncs That takes

869
00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:09,400
guts, and that was when against
prevailing consensus. It's not always gonna work

870
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,480
out. Sometimes you're gonna get burned
by it, but you can't. By

871
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,360
the way, Luca Dante would have
been the safer pick. I think their

872
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,960
whole thing stigma against European players that
they can cost you your job and you're

873
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,679
gonna look back and say, oh, you never should have taken him.

874
00:53:21,679 --> 00:53:23,000
No, he was kind of like
a no brainer at the time. To

875
00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:27,159
me, that would have been the
safer pick. You could justify that easier

876
00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:30,119
than the Marvin Backley pick. And
that was not this King's front office.

877
00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:32,199
I know that I understand that that
part of the reason that wasn't this King's

878
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:37,559
front office is because that pick was
made in first place anyway. So I

879
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:43,239
agree that teams need to be more
risk inclined. And I also think though,

880
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:45,800
that we need to understand what that
team, what a team's goals might

881
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:50,960
be. Because when as real syrup
saying you need to focus on making your

882
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,159
team better, what does that mean? Because I do I'm not gonna tell

883
00:53:54,159 --> 00:53:59,840
anyone how to fan as an MBA
fanatic, and I'm not gonna tell any

884
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,199
why. I mean, I tell
franchises all the time how they should build

885
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:07,239
their team. I'm someone who is
a big believer in aiming for the middle,

886
00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:10,159
even the top of the middle long
term. Without a clear path upward,

887
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,400
it doesn't it's not sexy to me, it doesn't do it for me.

888
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:17,360
And so you need the clear path
to contention. And so if you're

889
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:22,679
making a trade just to get better
and be more competitive, there needs to

890
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,960
be a path forward. And part
of my problem with the Kings was I

891
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,480
didn't see that path forward even if
this worked out. I do now,

892
00:54:29,639 --> 00:54:31,599
based on some of the things I've
outlined in this podcast. So I'm wrong

893
00:54:31,679 --> 00:54:35,119
all the time. This is just
one of those instances. This is also

894
00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:37,440
a trade we'll have to reevaluate more
again in the future. I'll be fascinated

895
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,199
to see where it lands three five
years down the line. But one playoff

896
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:45,320
Berth unless it's I'll go Western Conference
Finals appearance that doesn't know absolve the Kings

897
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,400
of Oh, we don't even have
to think about what happens next, like

898
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,639
this trade was a home run.
But yes, as of right now,

899
00:54:50,639 --> 00:54:52,559
it looks like a win win,
because we need to factor in the franchise's

900
00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:57,719
goals. The Kings' goal, or
at least I'm gonna assign this goal to

901
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,400
them, was that it should have
been we want to get now while still

902
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:07,960
maintaining our clear path or even simplifying
streamlining, improving our path to the level

903
00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:09,639
above where we're gonna be. Now. They have done that. I firmly

904
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,480
believe that with the bonus, unless
they think he's gonna leave HM free agency,

905
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,320
which I don't think you will.
And then the Pacers they wanted to

906
00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:22,039
begin anew They wanted to go through
the more gradual rebuilding approach that the Kings

907
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:23,840
were no longer interested in. So
that trade, of course, is a

908
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:28,199
win for them, even though they
don't. You know, Chyris Haliburton misses

909
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,719
a ton of time. They're gonna
have another top lottery pick this year,

910
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:31,920
like that is their endgame. They
because they didn't make the play, and

911
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,840
that doesn't make this a failure at
all. And I've seen like jokes being

912
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,840
dragged about Tyris Haliburton getting named an
All Star. He was absolutely an All

913
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,960
Star. He would have been an
All NBA player properly if he played in

914
00:55:42,039 --> 00:55:45,440
more games. So that's an example
of a win win is because it fixed

915
00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:49,320
both teams aims and as I was
going through this, and I think a

916
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,719
more recent win win Rome said bonus
points about blow up scenarios, the Cavs

917
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:57,159
Jazz trade for Donovan Mitchell. You
know, yes that was a blow up

918
00:55:57,159 --> 00:55:59,679
scenario for the Jazz, but look
how good they end. Like lyar Marketan

919
00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:01,239
made an All Star team, he
might make an All NBA team, and

920
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:06,960
so I think that certainly falls under
the umbrella. So some of the ones

921
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,000
that stood out, and this is
tough, I'm sure I didn't go through

922
00:56:09,159 --> 00:56:15,320
all of them. But that trade
between the Knicks and Bulls is it?

923
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:17,519
What year was it was sometime,
and it was eighty eight. I think

924
00:56:17,559 --> 00:56:22,719
the Bulls traded Bill the Knicks traded
Bill Cartwright, an eighty eight first round

925
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,360
pick and an eighty eight third round
pick to Chicago for Charles Oakley an eighty

926
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,760
eight first round pick and an eighty
eight third round pick. Like, that's

927
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,320
just a very interesting swap, and
saying third round just feels really fucking weird.

928
00:56:32,159 --> 00:56:37,800
I think that ended up working out
for both teams, and so that

929
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,639
would be one that stands out to
me. This one is super interesting and

930
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:45,559
hat tip Greg Schwartz of Bleacher Report
for it. The Phoenix Suns traded Charles

931
00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:49,480
Barkley and a nineteen ninety nine second
round pick to the Houston Rockets for Sam

932
00:56:49,559 --> 00:56:52,599
cassell, Robert Ory, Chuckie Brown, and Mark Bryant. Barkley was past

933
00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:57,880
his prime at the time, but
he still went on to have like great

934
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:02,639
value when he ended up in Houston. He averaged sixteen points, twelve rebounds,

935
00:57:02,679 --> 00:57:06,440
four assists, and one steal over
the four years in Houston, made

936
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,800
an All Star team in ninety seven, helped the Rockets get the three playoff

937
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:15,280
appearances, and then the Phoenix though
ended up moving Casselle with Michael Finley to

938
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:19,519
the Dallas Mavericks for Jason Kidd,
and that ended up being huge for Phoenix

939
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:22,920
having kid there. So I would
struck out as a win win. Fantastic

940
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:28,679
fine to me by Greg Schwartz.
I think I'm wondering if Lakers fans might

941
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,000
push back against this one. But
the we can get into the nitty gritty

942
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:36,639
details of it. But Memphis trading
pow and in two and ten to the

943
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,519
or what was it two thousand and
eight was that year? Yeah, trading

944
00:57:38,719 --> 00:57:44,239
pow in two thousand and eight to
the Lakers for the pick that became Mark

945
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,719
Gasol. And I don't know if
you would look at it differently because that

946
00:57:47,079 --> 00:57:52,599
wasn't like the draft rights to Mark
Gasol were not considered the meat and potatoes

947
00:57:52,639 --> 00:57:54,519
of that deal. You look at
the two thousand and eight first round pick

948
00:57:54,599 --> 00:57:57,920
was in there in a two and
ten first round pick, but he ended

949
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,199
up with Marc Gasol still, and
so I'd call that a win win.

950
00:58:00,239 --> 00:58:02,599
He ended up being a part of
the most successful era in Memphis Grizzlies history.

951
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:07,400
Today, you don't win a title, the Lakers win two with pal

952
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:09,159
Still, like I would, I
would classify that as a win win.

953
00:58:10,599 --> 00:58:15,119
Another one that stands out when the
Lakers traded Shack to Miami for lamar odom

954
00:58:15,199 --> 00:58:21,079
kran Butler Brian Grant and then the
two thousand and six first round pick in

955
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:23,960
a two thousand and seven second round
pick. I guess you could say Kobe

956
00:58:24,119 --> 00:58:29,360
and O'Neill wanting to stick together,
how many titles would they want? Lamar

957
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,360
ended up being one of the most
versatile players in the NBA for the Lakers

958
00:58:31,559 --> 00:58:35,800
and was just absolutely monstrous to them. And if if that relationship was going

959
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,920
to continue to tierrating anyway to get
out of that situation with Lamar, odom

960
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,679
Kron Butler, Brian Grant a first
round pick, I thought that was really

961
00:58:45,719 --> 00:58:49,320
good value. And odem ends up
spending he's with the Lakers for seven years.

962
00:58:50,119 --> 00:58:53,239
Was just instrumental when you look at
his versatility and charm. Butler had

963
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:57,639
the good one season in LA.
And here's the other thing. Both of

964
00:58:57,639 --> 00:59:00,559
these teams ended up winning titles with
members of the trade on their team after

965
00:59:00,679 --> 00:59:05,079
this trade, and so I think
that that just automatically counts as a win

966
00:59:05,159 --> 00:59:08,239
win. I'm trying to think there's
any more recent and this one, I'm

967
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:14,239
curious what people think about. I
have the Pacers trading Paul George to Okay

968
00:59:14,239 --> 00:59:17,320
See for Victor Ladipoh and a bonus
because then look at what Victor Ladipo gave

969
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,840
you. He became an All NBA
player for a minute, and we no

970
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,400
injuries just sapped him of all value
after that, but he became an All

971
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,840
NBA player for a minute. Then
you have sa bonus who helps keep you

972
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:30,079
afloat becomes your best player, and
then you're able to use him to really

973
00:59:30,159 --> 00:59:34,159
jump start this rebuild with Tyres Halliburn, where your future just looks so bright

974
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:37,760
now between him and Turner and Benedick
Mathin, Andrew Nemhard, a ton of

975
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:42,639
cap space, extra first round picks, whoever you draft this year, so

976
00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:45,599
you're able to skip the rebuild,
but then able to jumpstart when that didn't

977
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:47,559
really bring you to a title level. And then okay, see I mean

978
00:59:49,239 --> 00:59:52,679
I won gave him a ton of
credit for trading for Paul George when it

979
00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:54,400
wasn't guaranteed he would stay. You
got to keep him, and then you're

980
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:59,199
able to trade him for Shay Gilts, Alexander and all the picks. Because

981
00:59:59,719 --> 01:00:01,199
I don't remember who initially said this, but it's the best way I've ever

982
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:06,119
heard of trained Sam Presty found a
way to trade Paul George and Kawhi Leonard

983
01:00:06,119 --> 01:00:09,039
while only having one of them modest
roster. So I think that goes down

984
01:00:09,079 --> 01:00:15,400
as win win. I don't know
if that's controversial and so and another one

985
01:00:15,519 --> 01:00:20,880
I've seen people think about is the
anti Davis trade for New Orleans and the

986
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:22,400
Lakers. The Lakers win a title, so you do that again. The

987
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:27,320
Pelicans end up with Brandon Ingram and
that's I guess you can count that as

988
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,559
a blow up scenario for New Orleans. They just got so much value out

989
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:34,000
of that. You use heart,
he ends up getting you SEJ McComb,

990
01:00:34,239 --> 01:00:37,320
you didn't end up selling very high
on lines of ball, but he goes

991
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,480
through those injuries. I don't know
if I would throw that under, but

992
01:00:39,559 --> 01:00:44,199
that was one I kind of thought
about, just because you've got so much

993
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,599
value and you're still going to reap
the benefits of that value, and technically

994
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:51,960
those will be instrumental tools and okay, like that's the reason you have Dison

995
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:53,440
Daniels. So I think that I
think it's fair to call it a win

996
01:00:53,519 --> 01:00:58,119
win. Probably need to see more
from the Pelicans though, in terms of

997
01:00:58,159 --> 01:01:01,039
their course staying healthy before we go
that route. I think I'm kind of

998
01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:05,400
out of suggestions there. I mean
you can get into was the Kevin Love

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trade between the Cows and the Timberwolves
that end up being win win in the

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long run, but steering clear of
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for Minnesota. If anyone hasn't any
others, I'm sure there's others. Those

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are just the ones that sort of
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the NBA transaction vortex. Hope you
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few negative ones, so if you
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tell us what you like about the
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Join our discord. The link to
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I love everyone who listens to us, both both recurring listeners and new listeners

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alike. Until next time, and
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to the one, the old,
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