1 00:00:05,679 --> 00:00:09,480 I see well at the impossible or whatever remains however improbable must be true. 2 00:00:11,839 --> 00:00:15,400 And it is not a question of the little cultism. What a touch of 3 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,679 mysticism is to dead? It is vampires. There's a host of damned souls 4 00:00:19,719 --> 00:00:27,640 and hello house, thy father's spirit to do it for a certain term, 5 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:33,679 to walk the night here. The old gods are to dead, and what 6 00:00:33,799 --> 00:00:40,719 are the true god? He's dead? Can't complain. People assume the time 7 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,399 is a strict progression of cause to effect that action. From a nonlinear, 8 00:00:44,439 --> 00:00:49,039 non subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibby wobbly timey wimi 9 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:58,320 stuff. You're listening to Paranormal UK Radio. Hello everybody, This is Ariane 10 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,039 Allen Block from the Paranormal UK Hey Radio Show, the flagship show to the 11 00:01:02,079 --> 00:01:11,959 Paranormal UK Radio Network. I'm done with Mark Johnson. I was waiting to 12 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,760 see you if you were going to remember this time and it difficult the blasting 13 00:01:15,879 --> 00:01:23,799 networks. Now, yeah, we've only I was tempted to use pr UK 14 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,879 radio, which is a UK radio, isn't it. Well that's our web 15 00:01:26,879 --> 00:01:33,040 address p a UK radio dot com. So that's easy. But sometimes people 16 00:01:33,079 --> 00:01:37,560 don't understand what the whole pa UK stance for. So now they do, 17 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:48,120 Oh what's that? Kay? Park? Yeah, Park Radio. Yeah, 18 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:53,120 there we go. Well, i'd say, anyway, how are you? 19 00:01:53,640 --> 00:02:00,879 I am counting down the days. God some my it will be exactly a 20 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:07,159 month. So I'm out there. I know it isn't exciting. I'm moving. 21 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:14,960 You're just coming. You'll come here to an empty house, sweetie. 22 00:02:15,719 --> 00:02:19,280 No, you'll leave me stranded at the airport because the only way I'm getting 23 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,240 to your house. Yeah, that's the idea. I never thought about that 24 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,520 one. Yeah, I'll send a message. I tell you one thing. 25 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,520 I've got a lot of friends at the airport. You better behave yourself because 26 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:39,639 I tell you those strip searches are lethal. To bring up the rubber glove 27 00:02:39,759 --> 00:02:46,639 and the lube. Yeah, well you just said it. I did do 28 00:02:46,719 --> 00:02:53,439 that to a friend actually once contact security at one of the airports, and 29 00:02:55,199 --> 00:03:00,400 I did have him a strip searched. I just hope I can get back 30 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:06,919 in the country because for some reason, the last two times I've traveled internationally, 31 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,879 when I come back in there must be a Mark Johnson out there who's 32 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:16,960 been naughty and on a list, because both times the last two times I 33 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:21,800 went, they pulled me aside, take my passport, put me in a 34 00:03:21,879 --> 00:03:23,560 room and make me wait for a while. Will they like do a big 35 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:30,240 check on me? Oh, it's like exciting. Did I say something wrong? 36 00:03:31,319 --> 00:03:36,400 Oh? Can you imagine that? If when you've learned here, it 37 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,360 happens here. It never bothers me going anywhere. It's coming back into the 38 00:03:40,439 --> 00:03:46,199 US, I get I get harassed a little bit. Don't know why. 39 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,680 Well, it'd be good if they put you on a plane and sent you 40 00:03:49,759 --> 00:03:53,000 back to me, wouldn't it. Well, it'd be good for you. 41 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:59,199 I don't know how long the UK would put up with it, but sent 42 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:04,039 you back and forth. Yeah, there we go. I'll be constantly traveling 43 00:04:04,199 --> 00:04:12,759 in between homeless. Yeah, never mind more if they don't if they don't 44 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,360 believe you, just tell them to contact me and not tell them who. 45 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:19,639 If they send me back, just you know, I'll bring some camping equipment 46 00:04:19,639 --> 00:04:24,959 and camp out in one of the abandoned castles or something. Oh yeah, 47 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:30,879 investigate while I'm at it. Yeah, I know you. You'll read the 48 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,959 newest place should be camping hats in my back garden. Yeah, probably from 49 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:40,120 the pictures I saw. It's nice I'd hang out there with Gertie, would 50 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:45,639 yeah, Gotti's Caffe, Yeah, yep, yep, So she doesn't hog 51 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,279 the bed. You know, I don't know who would snore, louder her 52 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:59,199 or me. Oh do. Let's go ahead and let's get into our show 53 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:06,720 tonight. Now, we're very happy to introduce tonight's guests, one half of 54 00:05:06,759 --> 00:05:12,839 whom I got to meet in person back in May. Tonight, we're talking 55 00:05:12,879 --> 00:05:17,439 with Ronald C. Meyer and Mark Reader, who are the authors of The 56 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:25,839 Bigfoot Alien Connection Revisited. Gentlemen, Welcome to the program. Good to be 57 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:30,519 here, Good to be here now. Now I got to be there, 58 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:39,279 ron I got to meet you at the Paranormal conference in Cripple Creek in May. 59 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:47,800 And and of course your main background is as a documentary filmmaker pretty much 60 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,920 too. I do educational stuff, and I've done feature films as well over 61 00:05:51,959 --> 00:05:58,720 the years. And I had a distribution company and was a minor player in 62 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:06,000 the growth of the cable network. Yeah. And so you've also not only 63 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:11,800 with the book that you wrote here with Mark, you've also been producing some 64 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:17,160 documentaries on this subject of the Bigfoot Alien Connection. Absolutely. It started with 65 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:23,720 a series called Chasing Bigfoot back about six years ago. It was a five 66 00:06:23,759 --> 00:06:30,360 part series where I was commissioned by a distribution company to produce a series on 67 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:36,319 the phenomenon of Bigfoot, and at the end of it, I came away 68 00:06:36,399 --> 00:06:43,920 thinking, it isn't a wild beast and unknown humanoid messing around, It's something 69 00:06:43,959 --> 00:06:47,519 beyond that. It's something paraphysical, which was the language people were using them 70 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,879 but that was the way outside the norm at the time. Since then, 71 00:06:51,920 --> 00:07:00,120 it's all changed. Yes, it has become a lot more mainstream now. 72 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:05,120 Even in the regular paranormal community. Everybody used to just go with the traditional 73 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:12,839 ghosts explanation or demons, and now their people are really starting to open up 74 00:07:12,839 --> 00:07:19,560 to the idea of different types of interdimensional activity or time slips or all sorts 75 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:30,399 of different types of high strangeness. But I got to watch your documentary the 76 00:07:30,959 --> 00:07:35,240 of this on YouTube, which I found very fascinating, and I've read the 77 00:07:35,279 --> 00:07:44,800 book. So tell us a little bit about how that particular set of investigations 78 00:07:44,879 --> 00:07:50,040 came about, because you investigated what about seven locations? Yes, yes we 79 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:59,040 did, um so I would say probably, well I got the idea that 80 00:07:59,439 --> 00:08:03,160 well. Mark. I also wrote another novel based on the idea that that 81 00:08:03,279 --> 00:08:11,000 Bigfoot was a paranormal entity in some way, and so I knew I had 82 00:08:11,079 --> 00:08:13,240 learned quite a bit about the Bigfoot phenomena because I did the series, but 83 00:08:13,279 --> 00:08:18,319 I didn't know crap about aliens. So I thought, well, the way 84 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,720 I investigate things sometimes is to make a movie about it. So I thought 85 00:08:22,839 --> 00:08:28,120 I should make a movie about the Bigfoot alien connection, and that would give 86 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,360 me impetus to run around and interview some people and get the perspective of, 87 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:37,159 you know, the alien community or the UFO community, and see what that 88 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,840 was about, which I did, and I got to get some pretty good 89 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:46,919 luminaries in that movie, and it began to come together that they're probably one 90 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,120 and the same, or at least source from the same thing. That was 91 00:08:50,159 --> 00:08:56,000 my conclusion in that movie. And from that I was hired to do a 92 00:08:56,159 --> 00:09:01,559 series on what I found most interesting, or these places called paranormal hot spots. 93 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,879 If you're familiar with skin Walk or Ranch or either of you heard of 94 00:09:05,919 --> 00:09:11,120 that, Yes, absolutely, so that's that's a paranormal hot spot. That's 95 00:09:11,159 --> 00:09:18,679 where multiple, let's say, impossible activities are occurring in a geographical area over 96 00:09:18,759 --> 00:09:24,960 an extended period of time and those are paranormal hot spots. So I thought, 97 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:31,799 well, what if I were to look for five of these places and 98 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,360 then there was another one, but I hadn't. I wanted to open a 99 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,360 portal up myself on my land, so I did that too, So that's 100 00:09:39,399 --> 00:09:43,320 part of the book. And I thought, well, if we can go 101 00:09:43,399 --> 00:09:46,600 to five spots and I can confirm that there are these things called paranormal hot 102 00:09:46,639 --> 00:09:52,720 spots, I'll have a series. If I don't find any, I'll probably 103 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,279 own the own the distributor who paid for it a bunch of money because we 104 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:01,799 got nothing. But it turns out every place I went got got amazing stuff 105 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:09,200 and had unusual experiences myself sometimes, And uh, that's that's that's basically what 106 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,679 the book is based on. I said, well, could I write a 107 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:20,360 book that grouped the kind of paranormal phenomena that showed up by category, for 108 00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:24,440 example, time slips. How many times did that show up and what was 109 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,840 their commonality? So that's what the book is based on. That's what Mark 110 00:10:28,879 --> 00:10:33,120 helping does to order organize that and then related back historically, because these things 111 00:10:33,159 --> 00:10:39,399 aren't just happening now. They happened in the past and they're probably increasingly happening 112 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:48,240 in the future. Mark. Mark you we were talking briefly just before we 113 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,120 came on the air, and I just wanted to talk about it again so 114 00:10:52,159 --> 00:10:56,759 that the audience hears it that you came into this as very much a skeptic 115 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:05,720 and are still a skeptic. I am I uh as My background is not 116 00:11:05,799 --> 00:11:09,799 in science. It's in the humanities and UH and in history. So in 117 00:11:09,879 --> 00:11:13,840 history, you know, you deal with these kind of hard, cold facts 118 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,600 and you try to weave a story around them. UH. And it's kind 119 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,519 of in some ways, it's kind of easy. In some ways it's difficult. 120 00:11:20,039 --> 00:11:26,639 So when Ron approached me with this, with this UH project, I 121 00:11:26,759 --> 00:11:28,320 told him up front and I said, well, you know, I'm a 122 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:33,799 skeptic about anything paranormal. I think they can everything can be pretty much explain, 123 00:11:33,399 --> 00:11:37,720 uh we once you know all the facts behind it. And he said, 124 00:11:37,759 --> 00:11:41,679 that's fine. Your skepticism is welcome. And so we started to work 125 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:48,720 on the on the project together. And since I'm a historian, I went 126 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:54,279 back in history and UH and looked for information on people like Francis of ASSISI 127 00:11:54,519 --> 00:12:03,519 Muhammad, UH, different people throughout history who's the events of their lives are 128 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,840 fairly well known, and the events of their lives turn out to have amazing 129 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:16,000 parallels to the to the events that happened to individuals now in the twenty first 130 00:12:16,039 --> 00:12:22,039 century people who talk about Bigfoot sidings or UFO sidings and so as Ron and 131 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:26,720 I got into the project more and more and I did more historical research. 132 00:12:26,919 --> 00:12:31,919 While I still remain a skeptic, I am not a skeptic like this can't 133 00:12:31,919 --> 00:12:37,039 not possibly happen. My skepticism actually is sort of around what Ron was talking 134 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,480 about. I just can't see Bigfoot as this big, hairy creature that swings 135 00:12:41,519 --> 00:12:45,840 through the trees of the Pacific Northwest, terrorizing the Salish Indians. But I 136 00:12:45,919 --> 00:12:54,519 can see Bigfoot as an interdimensional being who exists for some reason. What it 137 00:12:54,600 --> 00:13:00,759 is yet, I don't know. I have speculation on it that I don't 138 00:13:00,799 --> 00:13:07,840 know for sure. There's you know, Bigfoot has been really popular in our 139 00:13:07,919 --> 00:13:16,279 culture, especially in the seventies that really I think took off in a lot 140 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:22,440 of different ways with John Greene's books and then of course the famous Patterson Gimlin 141 00:13:22,879 --> 00:13:31,120 film, which they've never been able to successfully debunk, and but lately, 142 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:37,639 especially these last several years, There's been a many different television shows, some 143 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:43,399 much better than others looking into the phenomenon. And again, most of the 144 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:48,879 time they are looking from like as a scientific or like let's go out in 145 00:13:48,879 --> 00:13:54,200 the woods and see what we can find type of thing. But yet some 146 00:13:54,279 --> 00:14:00,600 of these shows and people they're starting to look more and understand and more that 147 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:09,320 there is a very high strangeness aspect to dealing with this phenomenon. There was 148 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:16,759 a great show that was on Discovery Plus and they've been repeating it on History 149 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:22,039 Channel and they might make a second season. I don't know if you've heard 150 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,360 of it, called Alaskan Killer Bigfoot. No, I haven't heard of it. 151 00:14:26,879 --> 00:14:33,440 Okay, if you get a chance, watch it, because it's mouth 152 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:39,519 Yes, we did. One of the cast members Ashniederhoff. It's about a 153 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:48,320 little native fishing village up in Alaska that was abandoned back in the fifties because 154 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:54,240 supposedly the townspeople were being terrorized by a local Bigfoot and people were some people 155 00:14:54,279 --> 00:14:58,360 were showing up dead, so they abandoned it and years ago, and the 156 00:14:58,399 --> 00:15:05,600 premise of the show was several of the locals were sent there by the elders 157 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,399 to see if it could be resettled because they're looking to expand and you know, 158 00:15:09,519 --> 00:15:18,000 they needed for economic reasons. And the show sounds corny, but I 159 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:24,679 will say that I was fairly impressed with what happens on the show because they 160 00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:33,679 encounter It's not exactly there's some big footlight activity, but there's so much of 161 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:39,480 it that's interdimensional in nature, and so many things happened and were caught on 162 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:46,039 camera that And I'm a I'm a filmmaker myself too, I have I have 163 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:52,360 my bachelor's degree in film. I've done a few documentaries myself, and I 164 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,639 know when I know bs when I see it. And this show is actually 165 00:15:56,759 --> 00:16:00,960 pretty good. And we interviewed actually not when were you two people who are 166 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:06,120 on the show, And it goes along a lot along the lines of what 167 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:11,879 you have been doing with your research in looking into these areas of high strangeness 168 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:21,840 surrounding Bigfoot. Yeah, I mean Bigfoot is probably not our primary focus anymore. 169 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,960 The whole portal's ideas, like for you is has sort of captivated me 170 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:33,039 more more than anything, especially after what we did at Bradshaw Ranch, which 171 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:38,039 is the next skin Walker ranch. As you might know, Um, how 172 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:45,840 can I say something absolutely. Yeah, I apologize for any strange noises coming 173 00:16:45,919 --> 00:16:53,480 from this area because my office is outbounds at the moment. Things are happening 174 00:16:53,519 --> 00:17:00,799 in there, and I'm sitting in the snug with dirty and she's snoring. 175 00:17:03,159 --> 00:17:07,680 Bull dog, she's snoring. So have you hearing it? It's not me, 176 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:12,759 it's the dog. Okay. But what I wanted to ask you, 177 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,480 both of you is have you ever thought of come into Europe? Because reports 178 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:23,200 like this of our bigfoot type creature I've been going on for centuries over here 179 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:30,640 in Europe. You know, we've got there's one in scott Scotland, we've 180 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:36,480 got one in Wales, You've got Russia, You've got all over there is 181 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:41,119 there's always reports of this sort of thing. Well, and there's also regends, 182 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:47,720 legends, absolute legends that go back for centuries. Mark Well, and 183 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,480 not just Bigfoot, is just the areas of high strangeness. It it's like 184 00:17:52,039 --> 00:17:57,440 Ron, what you're talking about with focusing on these areas, these portals, 185 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:06,559 so to speak. Yeah, now you mentioned that you're you've actually worked to 186 00:18:06,839 --> 00:18:12,480 open borders. Yeah we did. How did you do that? Do you 187 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:22,799 want a long story or a short story thetual version. Before we embarked, 188 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:29,279 Before we embarked on the series The Paranormal Highway, it occurred to me that 189 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,039 it would it be possible to open a portal. And I owned forty acres 190 00:18:33,079 --> 00:18:41,480 in the Rocky Mountains um here in Colorado near the Big Park Rocky Mountain National 191 00:18:41,519 --> 00:18:48,480 Park, and it would be it's classic Bigfoot country. People have talked about 192 00:18:48,519 --> 00:18:55,839 having Bigfoot experiences there all the time, and so we asked. We ran 193 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:00,480 into a lady who had opened a portal in the state of Washington to us, 194 00:19:00,599 --> 00:19:03,079 gave us some ideas of how we might do it, and it was 195 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:08,440 kind of based on starting with the gifting site. Yeah, and see if 196 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:15,160 we could do you know what gifting sites are. Yes, that's where especially 197 00:19:15,559 --> 00:19:21,839 excuse me, with big Foot activity, leaving gifts and sometimes they give gifts 198 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:26,759 back and establishing that form of communication. Yeah, it's sort of we're here 199 00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:30,359 and we're willing to, you know, interact with you in some way. 200 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,119 By Yeah, we got a lady. We got a lady over here that 201 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:40,000 actually leaves gifts for them. So we we hit it. Hid in a 202 00:19:40,079 --> 00:19:48,480 bottle of feather and this land we own is isolated and um We're a small 203 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:52,160 community that owned forty acres and it's gated and people just can't get into it. 204 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,119 And it was underneath a big rock, and nothing happened for at least 205 00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:00,480 three times. And then the fourth time, father, it was out of 206 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,359 the bottle and stuck in a crevice. So we said, oh, there's 207 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:11,720 something here wants to play and and and then the next thing that happened the 208 00:20:11,759 --> 00:20:15,680 next time we came back, somebody dropped a mutilated deer at our gifting site. 209 00:20:17,039 --> 00:20:22,480 Whoa, And that got our attention in a big way, plus kind 210 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:30,079 of freaking us out a little bit, Yeah, I would imagine. And 211 00:20:27,039 --> 00:20:34,799 uh so that we started taking readings and we found elevated magnetic readings above the 212 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:41,440 deer and kind of a dome shape, which was, you know interesting. 213 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:45,000 Um. Then we set up a trail can on the site. It's it's 214 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,839 it takes a while to get there from where we live, so we you 215 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:56,640 know, we don't hang out there regularly. And one of the we went 216 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,400 when we came back, and we wanted to see what was on the card 217 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,640 that was captured on the trailcam, and everything was kind of normal. We 218 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,359 had a bobcat and some other animals that show up, but none of them 219 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,759 really touched the carcass, kind of walked around it. But then one of 220 00:21:12,759 --> 00:21:21,960 the one of the captures was this really weird static sort of image that it 221 00:21:22,039 --> 00:21:27,759 seems impossible for a digital recorder to camera to record, and it was dome 222 00:21:27,799 --> 00:21:33,519 shaped that kind of matched the outline of the dome that we measured with our 223 00:21:33,559 --> 00:21:37,240 electromagnetic fluctuations, and as we look at a little closer, we could see 224 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:44,880 that there was some movement inside of that. And just to keep it short, 225 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,359 we did it three times and each time there was some creature that we 226 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,880 captured on the trailcam and could resolve that it's not like any entity you'd ever 227 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:57,279 seen here. One of them looked like a little baby Bruno Sirius. Oh 228 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:03,839 interesting, And then it was over with like all portals they seem to come 229 00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:10,079 and go. Yeah. It was like, hey, yeah, we like 230 00:22:10,279 --> 00:22:15,000 like what you're doing. Tell the world about it. Very interesting. That 231 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:22,400 is interesting. Yeah, I've seen porters, but what I've seen are very 232 00:22:22,519 --> 00:22:29,079 very similar in my world, very similar to me to like if you were 233 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:37,640 to drop oil into a puddle that luminous, can't you get I just when 234 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:42,559 I see the portal. We'll see that starting to vibrate. Where do you 235 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:48,880 see that anywhere? Really? Wherever I have to be, wherever there's a 236 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:57,240 portal, depending also on what work I'm doing. But you know, cool, 237 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:04,599 very she's very sensitive to those types of energies, so she slips. 238 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:10,119 I'm always having time slips. Yeah, so I Ray would be considered a 239 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:15,200 sensitive or you consider yourself that in a general way. I don't know why 240 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,000 I am what would you call me mop? Because it's a number of things, 241 00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:22,119 isn't it really? Oh? What was the term that we came up 242 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:30,279 with? Extra sensor? An extra sensory? I'm an extra sensors because nobody 243 00:23:30,319 --> 00:23:36,119 knows what that means. And that's fine because we don't either encompasses so many 244 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:41,079 different things. She doesn't like being called the psychic medium or or any of 245 00:23:41,079 --> 00:23:48,160 these other terms because there's so much that's different. So what's me? It's 246 00:23:48,279 --> 00:23:56,960 natural, you know. So I don't like titles like I don't like to 247 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:02,160 be given a name which puts it puts me into a pot with everybody else 248 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:07,519 because I'm not like everybody else. Fair enough, I'm totally I'm totally different. 249 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,000 Now I call her a pain in the ass. But you know Usban 250 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:19,160 calls an alien it could all be true. Yeah, very much so, 251 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,559 very much so. Well, and that's the funny thing. You know, 252 00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:27,039 let me ask you this, with the research that you've been doing with portals, 253 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:34,839 can these be open anywhere? Or are you finding them within specific locations 254 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:45,680 that there has to be the right conditions. Um, certainly there's two parts. 255 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,960 That's a good question because well, one, partners are they are they 256 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:55,400 anywhere? But I think you need you need people to you know, have 257 00:24:55,400 --> 00:25:00,000 have an interaction with them, right mm hmm, you know what I mean. 258 00:25:02,039 --> 00:25:04,960 Yeah, So it's hard, it's hard to say. You know that 259 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:11,359 when we did Bradshaw. Of course, are you familiar with Sedona? I've 260 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,440 always wanted to go, but I've never been, but I'm I'm very familiar 261 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,039 with it. Yes, I've done it. I've not been there, but 262 00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:26,640 I've done it. M So it's it's it's a place that's known for vortexes 263 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:33,960 or portals, right yeah, and very high energy there. So there's there's 264 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,559 a guy who electrical engineer who developed devices to see if you could detect these 265 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:44,160 vortexes or portals, which he seems to say. He says he can do 266 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,759 it, and he's he's found him, and he's noticed that they move around, 267 00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:51,359 they don't show up, they're not always in the very same place. 268 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,160 I can agree with I can agree with that and also use it. Your 269 00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,359 description of what you see as a portal would be different to mine, because 270 00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:07,880 I think it's it's your Your perception of it would be different because of the 271 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,200 way I am. I see it in a different way. But you're Tolken. 272 00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:18,319 Your description of the shape of it was right. And what you're saying 273 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,599 about them moving around just they do move around, And and the other thing 274 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,839 you ask about it seems that the substitute, the subs the geology of the 275 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:34,400 area maybe a big factor and in allowing these things to happen or attracting them, 276 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:41,359 Like Sodonna's got a base, it's under a huge course deposit with iron 277 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,160 oxide sitting on top of it in terms of the red rock and that and 278 00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:51,759 that creates a constant magnetic fluctuation, you know, and electrical activity coming from 279 00:26:51,759 --> 00:27:00,000 the ground might act like a transfer or transfer receiver. And that that fits 280 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,319 been with Holtings as well. Yeah, yeah, sorry, what we're going 281 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,200 to say, I mean, well that that actually fits in with what modern 282 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:14,279 physics who's talking about. In terms of magnetic portals. You can concentrate a 283 00:27:14,319 --> 00:27:17,680 certain amount of energy, whether it's through the quartz in the iron ore or 284 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,960 some other way, and create an actual magnetic portal that would lead somewhere. 285 00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:29,079 Right now, nobody knows exactly what that what where that something like that would 286 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,319 lead, But science is slowly inching its way towards understanding that portals are not 287 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:41,200 some sort of of magic phenomenon that happens because you have a port key out 288 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:48,599 of Harry Potter, but it's a reality that exists with us all the time. 289 00:27:49,519 --> 00:28:00,319 M with with portals. Um Again, you'd mentioned earlier about this skin 290 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:06,240 Walker Ranch and of course all the research that's been going on there since the 291 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:12,920 mid nineties, and of course now the wonderful television show The Secret of skin 292 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:18,079 Walker Ranch on History, which is fantastic because I like their approach and it's 293 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:29,599 very grounded in science and research and experimentation. But that location is notorious for 294 00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:37,319 their portals, portals that have been seen opening in the sky at night it'd 295 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,359 be dusk, and yet I think the owner of the ranch at the time 296 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,640 saw a portal open to the sky and there was bright sunny blue sky behind 297 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:52,079 it as a craft flew through. To the nid's team witnessing through some infrared 298 00:28:52,480 --> 00:29:02,680 binoculars a portal opening by Homestead two on the ground and some humanoid creature crawling 299 00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:07,359 out of it and running into the woods. There was that. There was 300 00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:11,920 that Poulter I saw in Texas that was on the ground. I forgot about 301 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:18,720 that one, yeah, all those years ago. Yeah. And another pole 302 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,359 to I saw saw out there. It was on a runway on an airport 303 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:29,000 runway. Yeah, but it was one of these light aircraft runways. It 304 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,200 wasn't one of the you know, not one of the big ones. It 305 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:37,559 was on the runway. So with the with these portals that you've been investigating, 306 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,960 what type of phenomenon are you experiencing around these portals? Now? You 307 00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:48,799 mentioned, uh, seeing the animals on the trail cam. I mean when 308 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:56,119 you're there in person, what what tends to happen other than electromagnetic field fluctuations. 309 00:29:57,359 --> 00:30:03,759 Um, there's if you have a thermal of some sort, you'll usually 310 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:11,440 sorry yeah, she said, yeah. So for example, there's probably the 311 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:18,960 most famous um uh dog man type thing is the Beast of Bray Road. 312 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,160 Have you heard of that? Yes, yeah, So we did a big 313 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:32,319 investigation there. And the longer short story again, well everyone you want, 314 00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:38,200 we got a half hour or so. So, so, the Beast of 315 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:45,160 Bray Road is a dog man um and the guy he owns the property next 316 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:52,160 to the road is a gentleman farmer from Illinois and he brought the property to 317 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,519 be a gentleman farmer. And turns out he's got this creature running around on 318 00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:00,200 his property and he's become kind of obsessed with it, and he's got footprints 319 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:07,160 and he's got some some really good uh photographs he's captured on his trailcam and 320 00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:11,480 other cameras. And in some ways, you know, you could say you 321 00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:17,039 might other people would interpret what he grabbed was was a was a big foot. 322 00:31:17,759 --> 00:31:22,839 There was another crypto anyhow, So there was this place that he would 323 00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:29,759 call his place of high strangeness and said, well, you guys should come 324 00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:33,799 out here and do your investigation at this place. He said he wouldn't go 325 00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:37,880 into that in that area, which is kind of a wooded hedgerow type thing 326 00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:41,640 by himself. And he said he's seeing the footprints go in there and just 327 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:48,079 disappear and come on and disappear in his three sizes of footprints, small, 328 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:56,200 meet him and large, and we're doing our nighttime investigation and at this place, 329 00:31:56,079 --> 00:32:02,319 and there was there was definitely an intense cold spot there at this place 330 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,759 that we could pick up on our third thermal and record with maybe a temperature 331 00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:17,000 difference of about thirty degrees fahrenheit. And people, some of the people there 332 00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:22,680 that were part of the team felt something, hurt something, but like a 333 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:29,359 lot of these cases, you know, had no visual going on. And 334 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,119 so he said, let's go walk aways, walk away a bit, and 335 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,559 then come back. And we had set a rampod up, which is a 336 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,000 kind of a ghost detecting device. And when we came back, our lead 337 00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:45,240 investigator, Allen said, oh my god, there's eyes right there. And 338 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:51,480 right next to the rampod, probably about I would say yard and a half 339 00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:55,279 was something that just sat there. It was elongated, it was on all 340 00:32:55,319 --> 00:33:00,759 fours, and it had the eyeshine aspect, you know, the fucking lights, 341 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,319 and we're all talking and yelling and shelling white lights and red light on 342 00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:07,839 it, and it basically sat there and kind of ignored us, which no 343 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:14,440 wild animal would ever do. And we filmed it and it was cool. 344 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,799 It's cure. It was just curious about you as you were of it. 345 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,519 Yeah. Actually that's why I hung around. And no wild animal is going 346 00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:31,240 to do that. Oh you're right, you know. They they just went 347 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:37,440 and so maybe we've we found the Beast of bray Road and small and incarnation. 348 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:43,880 But it also it also had the cold portal cold area associated with it 349 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,720 in the felt experiences that people had, So I had multiple aspects to the 350 00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:53,839 to the whole thing. Do you know I'd love you too to come over 351 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:59,559 here and investigate over here if you ever do. My house is a hare 352 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:05,079 fall. You just come to my house. You can do anything from there. 353 00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:12,519 So so Sodia, you have any money to get us on an airplane? 354 00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:19,679 Oh? No, anybody out there they would like to pay money to 355 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,360 get them on an aeroplane to come over to investigate in the United Kingdom. 356 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:30,960 Who should they contact you? Mr? Should they contact you? Sure? 357 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:38,079 They can reach out to us at info at pa UK radio dot com. 358 00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:42,440 There you go, there we go. Um, we can start to go 359 00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:49,280 fund me page, make it into a competition. The person that gives the 360 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,800 most money can join in the hunt for Bigfoot in this country. Or the 361 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,320 investigations that you're going to do. Well, we'll tell you what, guys. 362 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,719 Since I'm going over there, I I am bringing some of my equipment 363 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:07,639 with me, so I can do definitely a preliminary of a couple of spots 364 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:15,880 while I'm out there. And again in the time since I was investigating to 365 00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:25,199 now, my whole thought processes on the so called paranormal is vastly different than 366 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:31,400 it used to be. And these areas of the street, well because of 367 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:36,360 you and because of areas that I've investigated. Even here in New Jersey, 368 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:44,119 there are several hot spots. We investigated two houses on the same street this 369 00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:47,800 little town that we're having started off as a you know, both said they 370 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:54,000 had ghost activity, and we investigated for a few years, coming back and 371 00:35:54,480 --> 00:36:00,000 over time we realized whatever was there was attached to the land. Now, 372 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:06,559 the one idea that never occurred to me, I wasn't into it back then. 373 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:13,719 I did believe an interdimensional activity. I knew that there was some type 374 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:20,800 of elemental type of intelligence on the property, and it was the whole area. 375 00:36:21,079 --> 00:36:25,119 Wasn't just the houses isolated, it was the land. But the idea 376 00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:30,960 of portals playing a factor into it had not occurred to me back at that 377 00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:35,320 time. Now it's something that I'm very much you know, thinking of and 378 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:43,599 aware of and would be trying to track and measure in these hotspots. And 379 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:49,239 I do believe there are powers that be that I'm quite aware of this, 380 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:54,000 and that there's technology there that thereafter. When I talked to Travis, you 381 00:36:54,039 --> 00:37:01,199 know, from skin Walker Ranch, he said, the Mormon's after the technology, 382 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:08,239 doctor Travis Taylor. Yeah, Well, they have been interested in, 383 00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:14,159 you know, the possibility of a certain sort of free energy maybe beyond you 384 00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:16,880 know, fusion or something that would deal with the fifth state of matter, 385 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:22,320 which is now under intense investigation, and it has a lot to do with 386 00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:29,840 time slips and might be responsible for spoon bending and stuff like that, and 387 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,519 inadvolves consciousness. So there's a lot going on. So that's why these places. 388 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,599 Yeah. In fact, Brandon Fugal tried to buy ball Rancha the month 389 00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:44,559 before we got out there on Saturday Investigation. Yeah, I know, Brandon 390 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,199 is I mean again, you're right that whole area is a very heavy Mormon 391 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:55,920 community, the whole state is, and him being Mormon and being the entrepreneur 392 00:37:57,039 --> 00:38:05,000 that he is, that kind of makes sense. Um, because that community 393 00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:09,239 is always kind of looked out for itself and looked out for certain things. 394 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:17,079 A lot of other communities don't, UM. But I'm still their origin story 395 00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:22,280 is also one of portals you want to describe the mark. Are you familiar 396 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:27,239 with the Mormon origin story? You mean with Joseph Smiths and the Yea and 397 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:32,320 the tablets and let the angel moroney. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's 398 00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,599 that in itself. Is a is a is an ancient myth. It goes 399 00:38:38,679 --> 00:38:45,679 it goes back to the Epic of Gilgamesh in the third millennium BZ. The 400 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:53,679 idea that supernatural beings actually exist and they bring information to individuals, and this 401 00:38:53,840 --> 00:39:00,440 information is not just for the individual, but is to be disseminated. See 402 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:06,239 it again, uh with uh, with Jesus, with Jesus, with with 403 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:12,000 Buddha, you see it with Muhammad, with uh, Saint Paul and or 404 00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:16,480 salitarisis these people, Saint Francis VASSISI. These are just the well known ones 405 00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:23,760 that we know of, and these uh uh, these supernatural beings. And 406 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:30,639 let's go back and think about it in the context of you're a you're a 407 00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:36,440 farmer in uh Sumaria in twenty nine. You're not going to think of a 408 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:44,400 supernatural being as an alien coming from altar Alpha centauri. You're going to think 409 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:50,960 of it in terms of whatever religious um icons that you have available to you. 410 00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:53,599 And so those these beings will become as angels or they're come as devils 411 00:39:53,679 --> 00:40:00,679 or demons, but they come with a message. And so say Joseph or 412 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:05,559 I mean, sorry, Joseph Smith, he has his angel Moroney. Because 413 00:40:05,559 --> 00:40:08,599 in the nineteenth century, nobody's thinking about landings on the moon or something like 414 00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:17,000 that. And so these paranormal individuals, these supernatural individuals, bring forth this 415 00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:24,000 information and say this is for you, and it's it's especially important that you 416 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:32,280 spread this word. It's it's fascinating. I mean, I do believe this 417 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:37,679 has been a part of our history since the beginning of time. It's always 418 00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:44,960 been interpreted in different ways. I mean, even doctor Taylor really got his 419 00:40:45,159 --> 00:40:52,360 notoriety on ancient aliens to start, but I really like the experiments that he's 420 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:59,920 been running on Skinwalker Ranch. I had interviewed, we had interviewed Thomas Winner 421 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:05,960 about a year or so ago and talking about how the whole show came about, 422 00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:07,719 and they were resistant to it at first, Brandon didn't want to do 423 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:13,960 it, and it took a lot of convincing to get them to do this 424 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:21,880 show, which now it's a huge hit. But the types of activity that 425 00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:29,840 go on there, it's not just portals. There's there's this intelligence that permeates 426 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,639 the whole area. Yes, portals are seen opening and things coming in and 427 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,559 out, or like the experiment they did at Homestead too with the music and 428 00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:45,639 they had the rabbi I forget his name. I always liked this guy though, 429 00:41:46,639 --> 00:41:51,440 doing the chanting and the singing, and that seemed to affect the thermal 430 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,599 and you see the cold spot opening up, like Irene was saying, of 431 00:41:54,719 --> 00:42:00,360 a portal seemed to be opening. And it has a lot to do a 432 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:05,639 sound. I think sound and vibration has a lot to do with these things. 433 00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:10,679 And yet they're also there's something else going on that I think is just 434 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:19,719 beyond our comprehension in terms of these intelligences. And I keep going back to 435 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,880 Skinwalker because it's very fresh in my mind and I and I remember my talks 436 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:31,119 with Thomas about his own personal experiences when they first got the ranch, and 437 00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:37,800 there was a couple of times he was warned to get out of certain areas, 438 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,039 like a voice would just appear out of nowhere and said you need to 439 00:42:40,119 --> 00:42:45,239 leave now. That was around one of the times, and when he got 440 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:52,400 the encephalitis and the water on his brain. There have been other places where 441 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:59,639 people have heard voices. In that Alaskan Killer Bigfoot show. The one gentleman 442 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:04,599 we we talked to, he's a natural survivalist, and he was out in 443 00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:07,239 the woods on a tree stand in the middle of the night, and he 444 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,519 was filming himself and he kept hearing things all around him, but he couldn't 445 00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:14,639 see it. And when he came down out of the tree, he heard 446 00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:21,039 a voice talk into his ear and Garrett the living crap out of him, 447 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,239 and his reaction was genuine. Well, I was able to go back into 448 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:30,440 the episode and download the audio and enhance it, and there's something there. 449 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:37,239 I can't quite make it out, but there's most definitely a strange, guttural 450 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:43,920 type of voice that appeared. So again, I know we've focused a lot 451 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:50,239 on portals, but whether these portals open or closed, it seems like sometimes 452 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,599 there are things in these areas that are there for a significant amount of time. 453 00:43:55,599 --> 00:44:00,840 Indeed, by the way Mark and I are part of the lineage of 454 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:07,719 scientology, which was an awakening in the desert and by el Rod Hubbard and 455 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:15,280 a few other people, and it led to a U and their technique of 456 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:22,800 clearing, which was appropriated into a kind of an enlightenment practice that I've expanded 457 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:29,360 into effortless power and situational awareness and we teach we call it kind of a 458 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:34,480 flow practice, and it's derivative of what happened in the desert with these boys 459 00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:39,320 back then created a religion. So you know, it's a small example and 460 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:44,159 it's been transformative for the people who practice it. Would you say, where 461 00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:51,079 very much? So? So the clearing clearing, the idea of clearing is 462 00:44:51,159 --> 00:44:57,840 just in some ways a minor part of it from the from the way that 463 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:04,239 most people think about clearing. It's it's basically an idea of tuning into your 464 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:09,119 body in such a way that you that a person is no longer trying to 465 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:16,079 use their discrete large muscles to do something, but instead is in a state 466 00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:22,639 where their action is a result of being in the relationship with the person, 467 00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:27,960 instead of trying to do something to the person or being having something done to 468 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:35,239 them. There's a relationship of a sort of a conflation of ideas and movement 469 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:42,599 that produced something larger and more memorable, turns Mark into a superman. I 470 00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:45,559 wouldn't say that but a brief moment, but yeah, it does. It's 471 00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:50,800 effortless power in your own relationship. You let go. It's all about letting 472 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,880 go. It's not about building anything new up. Yeah, which which was 473 00:45:53,920 --> 00:46:00,480 the problem with the New Edge movement was became a personal personal entity project and 474 00:46:01,039 --> 00:46:06,960 get better and succeed. Why this is the opposite. It's letting go to 475 00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:10,880 be in the flow, as it were. Yeah, it's not just a 476 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:19,920 plug for that. With with some of these locations that you've investigated, have 477 00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:28,039 you come across phenomena that I will call orbs of light? That's these these 478 00:46:29,519 --> 00:46:34,960 individual like balls of light that can be as small as a baseball, as 479 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:40,000 big as a soccer ball balls seem to be around these areas and acting intelligently. 480 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:47,719 Yeah. Bradshaw Ranch, we had in some incredible examples the plasma balls, 481 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:54,280 plasma crafts, and color um. But probably the weirdest thing we had 482 00:46:54,480 --> 00:47:01,599 is um, there's this place again a focal point on the ranch where we 483 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:07,800 clearly detected a portal in multiple ways and they set up our trail camera on 484 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:19,360 it, and all our night footage shows what I would call a black trying 485 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:30,000 pyramids sitting over the space, quite large. It's it's moderately translusive, and 486 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:35,320 twice I would say we had hundreds of orbs flowing out of it, light 487 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:40,519 orbs and then flowing back into it, one time coming out, one time 488 00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:46,840 going in. Is that what you're talking about? Yes? And no, 489 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,039 No, I think I saw a clip in the trailer for the Branshaw Ranch 490 00:47:53,079 --> 00:48:00,559 of that. Yes, I'm sure that type of phenomenon. And and again 491 00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:07,480 not saying and showing my own little bit of skepticism there is usually when I 492 00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:12,559 see that type of activity, the first thing I want to do a shine 493 00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:15,360 of flashlight through it and make sure it's not like dust or pollen from trees 494 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:22,559 or whatnot, because it causes the same type of phenomenon. But I haven't 495 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:30,199 I haven't personally witnesses, but I've interviewed witnesses that have seen these large plasma 496 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:37,920 like balls in association with bigfoot activity. Now, there was an old friend 497 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,519 of mine, I haven't talked to him in a long time, but he 498 00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:46,280 was a Bigfoot researcher out of Ohio, Tim Stover he saw a bigfoot and 499 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:51,599 I think now going on over thirty years ago, while hunting in a tree 500 00:48:51,639 --> 00:48:54,639 stand, and when the sun came up, he looked over and saw this 501 00:48:54,719 --> 00:49:00,159 thing standing forty feet away. Watched it for a couple of minutes. It 502 00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:01,960 didn't seem to see him, but then it turned and walked off, and 503 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:06,880 that's when he got scared because then he could see all the muscles underneath him. 504 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:12,119 He goes, that's not a guy to costume. A few years later 505 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:19,320 he'd go out all the time looking forward again, researching, and there was 506 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,239 a period of time where he was filming in the woods that you'd see these 507 00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:30,480 balls of light moving behind him in the woods. Now sometimes he would point 508 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:35,280 the camera to himself in film and narrate, not realizing that he's catching this 509 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:40,840 ball moving behind him. And what interested me was it was weaving in front 510 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:47,760 of and behind trees, showing that it wasn't anything that was close to the 511 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:52,880 lens, like a speck of dust or an insect or anything. That it 512 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:58,119 was probably about thirty forty feet away and maybe the size of a soccer ball. 513 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:06,599 Then a couple of weeks later he calls me up at night, my 514 00:50:06,599 --> 00:50:08,440 wife and I happened to be at Walmart. My phone rings and I pick 515 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:14,239 it up and it's him. He's calling me from the woods. He's standing 516 00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,599 in the middle of the woods and he has a cell signal, totally freaking 517 00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:22,039 out, and he I go, well, what happened? He was saying 518 00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:27,480 that as he was walking through the woods, all of a sudden, this 519 00:50:27,639 --> 00:50:32,320 ball of light floated out of the woods, floated up and hovered in front 520 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:44,320 of his face, and lasted about thirty forty seconds. And then I asked 521 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,239 him what. It popped into my head to ask him, how did you 522 00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,239 feel when that was happening, And he had to think about it for a 523 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,559 second. He goes, you know what, I felt, perfectly calm and 524 00:50:53,599 --> 00:51:00,400 peaceful. And it wasn't until he thought about his cell phone camera. They 525 00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:05,320 reached first camera to grab it to take a picture. This thing just popped 526 00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,599 and went out, disappeared, and he goes, that's when he got scared. 527 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,519 That's when the fear all came rushing in. And he called me on 528 00:51:13,559 --> 00:51:19,039 the phone right then and there. But I found it fascinating that whatever this 529 00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:24,239 thing was, it was communing with him in some way that he was peaceful, 530 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:30,599 and it wouldn't surprise me. I think you've mentioned this in your books, 531 00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:36,320 but I know of other people that has happened to that. Sometimes people 532 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:42,719 get information downloads. Yeah, that's a big part of our thinking on this, 533 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:47,559 what this is all about. Yeah, the information Downlook again, it's 534 00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:53,679 a historical phenomenon that again you go back to the epic of Gilgamesh, you'd 535 00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:58,800 go back to Mohammad, whether you want to do it with Joseph Smith and 536 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:07,800 Angel Moroney. Individuals get these downloads all the time. Schrodinger or when Schroedinger 537 00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:14,559 talked about it, how he got these sort of downloads that would give him 538 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:22,599 ideas for a quantum mechanics for example. And Stephen Jobs is a good example. 539 00:52:22,039 --> 00:52:25,239 Yeah, he's not a computer expert, but he would get these sort 540 00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:30,480 of downloads of let's create an iPod and with an idea of how to actually 541 00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:35,559 make the iPod, even though he's not any he was not any kind of 542 00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:42,039 computer genius. Nikola Tesla was the same way. He would receive these downloads 543 00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:46,199 for a lot of his inventions. And then there are also times that people 544 00:52:47,519 --> 00:52:53,760 hint hint Irene who have had these experiences and have these downloads, but they 545 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:59,559 don't know what the download was. Only that information was downloaded, but it's 546 00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:07,440 not accessible through the consciousness. In other words, when the time is right, 547 00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:14,599 download will come to fruited, it'll come to the conscious mind. So 548 00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:17,719 so you're aware that there's been this group of people that are that are in 549 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:22,119 the high tech science thing. They called them, it's called the invisible College 550 00:53:23,519 --> 00:53:30,039 that they are that that they keep their profile low and they get these downloads 551 00:53:30,039 --> 00:53:35,280 and convert them into technology and discovery and science and that sort of stuff. 552 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,760 That's that's existing today, and it goes way back to in time because getting 553 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:47,360 these downloads is trouble for your career if you talk about them. If in 554 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:52,840 a lot of ways, yes, it's like modern science taking an interest in 555 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:59,400 what we are all researching. You know, regular scientists can have their careers 556 00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:05,039 ruined, or their funding drives up, or they're laughed out of the out 557 00:54:05,079 --> 00:54:09,840 of their specialty for even considering things like that. Now, again, some 558 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:15,119 of this is becoming a little bit more mainstream, but that's the way it 559 00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:22,760 was for many many years. Yeah, mainstream really quickly right now. Yeah, 560 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:28,679 and I think shows like Skinwalker Ranch are really kind of breaking that mold 561 00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:38,400 of showing this high strangeness paranormal and them using real world science and scientific principles 562 00:54:38,679 --> 00:54:45,199 to investigate it. Now they sometimes bring in psychics, they sometimes bring in 563 00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:52,880 the Native Americans, or even like the Rabbi, doing more metaphysical type of 564 00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:58,840 experiments. Yet at the same time they've got all their instruments running, and 565 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:05,920 that that frequently see at one point six gigga hurts is really fascinating. And 566 00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:14,199 you experience that in your when you were doing your documentary on the big Foot 567 00:55:14,199 --> 00:55:17,800 alien connection, it was like, was it like one point seven gigga hurts 568 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:23,159 between one six one seven? That wasn't me, Oh, that wasn't you. 569 00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:28,360 I can swear it was you when I was watching the documentary recently. 570 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:36,840 You know, you got to be a little careful about expecting science to eventually, 571 00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:42,000 as we understand it, the body of knowledge, that's the current theories 572 00:55:42,039 --> 00:55:47,039 to explain this stuff, you know, to break things down into little tiny 573 00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:52,000 things in a few forces is probably not going to ever do it. It's 574 00:55:52,039 --> 00:55:57,320 not going to explain you and I are Mark or or Irene, and I 575 00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,360 think there's a growing awareness that this is the case because right now, the 576 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,480 only exit we don't even know what life is, and we don't really know 577 00:56:04,519 --> 00:56:07,320 what intelligence is, and it's probably not going to be likely that it will 578 00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:12,679 be reducible too to a bunch of a little tiny things bouncing around, and 579 00:56:13,559 --> 00:56:17,000 that nobody can really agree on one theory of and in a couple of forces. 580 00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:22,840 It's just not going to happen. Oh that's cool, and some technologies 581 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:28,119 come out of it, but there's a growing sense that's that's doomed to really 582 00:56:28,159 --> 00:56:32,079 get into the depth of what we are as human beings. Actually, I 583 00:56:32,119 --> 00:56:37,280 do agree with you on that. Oh good. I mean, I like 584 00:56:37,639 --> 00:56:40,920 with the shows and what they're doing to try to make it more legitimate. 585 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,599 But at the same time I agree with you, and I agree science has 586 00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:51,519 not reached that point yet, if ever, to be able to fully explain 587 00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:57,679 it, and there are other techniques that could be used to research and try 588 00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,519 to have a better understanding of all this. So there's a you have to 589 00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:07,800 keep make a distinction between the scientific method, which is one way of gaining 590 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:13,760 knowledge, and then science, which is this collection of writings and stuff that's 591 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,960 been passed down to generation to generation, which keeps changing all the time and 592 00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:22,679 gets updated and so on. So that's that's a going process. But the 593 00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:28,079 scientific method is, you know, you see a pattern, you you form 594 00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:31,920 a hypotheses, you do some experiments, you make or refute it and all 595 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:42,519 that's the scientific method. And a symptom I hear Gertie. So this is 596 00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:49,199 a This is an interesting historical interesting historically as well. When you think about 597 00:57:50,159 --> 00:57:59,239 there the pre twentieth century where science is beginning to really take root, with 598 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,559 the with the scientific revolution of the seventeenth century, with you know, people 599 00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:09,480 like Galileo and Newton and lifenings and moving forward. Life was actually kind of 600 00:58:09,519 --> 00:58:15,599 gritty and difficult. Life expectancy wasn't much past fifty. Most of it had 601 00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:22,039 to do with things like public sanitation. Also the fact that life was hard. 602 00:58:23,559 --> 00:58:30,679 There wasn't an overabundance of food necessarily, and public health wasn't really knowing 603 00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:36,440 about. So you go to the twentieth century and science what we think of, 604 00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,039 what the lay person thinks of as science says, wait a minute. 605 00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:46,599 If we have public sanitation and we improve our communication skills through we have antibiotics, 606 00:58:46,719 --> 00:58:52,360 we get radio, we get television, we get nuclear energy, Suddenly 607 00:58:52,440 --> 00:59:00,320 science seems to be this catch all word for it can answer anything, and 608 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:05,679 and we think, okay, well, science will understand this idea of orbs, 609 00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:10,360 or will understand the idea of the bigfoot or something. And that's not 610 00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:15,840 that's that's not guarantee. It's not not only not guaranteed, it's a it's 611 00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:27,639 a false promise. The scientific method is not about necessarily understanding the way the 612 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:34,360 universe works or the reason for the universe existence. I agree with that, 613 00:59:34,519 --> 00:59:39,840 I think because we went from one one extreme of every being looking at things 614 00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:45,800 from a religious standpoint to the other extreme of only wanting to look at it 615 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:50,679 from the scientific method in order to validate put it under a microscope and say, 616 00:59:50,719 --> 00:59:54,039 okay, yes, this is real, when there's something that's actually really 617 00:59:54,119 --> 00:59:59,039 in between. And a lot of it has to deal more with not only 618 00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:06,039 human conscious but even our own intuition and psychic abilities and abilities to see beyond 619 01:00:06,199 --> 01:00:12,360 what we perceive as the physical world, because there is a lot more going 620 01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:16,599 on in our world than we realize that we could see with our experience with 621 01:00:16,679 --> 01:00:22,199 our five senses. And we also have to remember that our five senses are 622 01:00:22,239 --> 01:00:29,159 filtered by the zeitgeist. If you are if you're having a paranormal experience in 623 01:00:29,199 --> 01:00:32,159 the eighteenth century. You're going to explain it much differently than you are going 624 01:00:32,199 --> 01:00:37,039 to explain it in the twenty first century. Yep. And imagine where we'd 625 01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:44,199 be in the twenty second century. Yeah, we're coming close to the end 626 01:00:44,239 --> 01:00:45,679 of the show here. The one thing else I wanted to bring up is, 627 01:00:45,679 --> 01:00:51,280 I know you have a new film that's getting ready to come out about 628 01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:55,239 the Branshaw Ranch. Could you briefly talk about about it and when when people 629 01:00:55,280 --> 01:01:00,280 can expect to see it. Well, we're going to premiere it at the 630 01:01:00,719 --> 01:01:07,000 Phenomena con and uh in Vernal, Utah at the Big Conference area in September. 631 01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:13,119 The We're still debating the title a little bit with a distributor, but 632 01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:19,000 we actually interact with alien entities in a way that's very convincing that we capture 633 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:27,440 on film and verify scientifically that I'd like to see. I really would want 634 01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,039 to see that. Yeah, it was it was it blew us away? 635 01:01:32,639 --> 01:01:37,519 Interesting? Well, definitely, I I'm with Irene. I definitely want to 636 01:01:37,559 --> 01:01:44,039 see that once it's ready. Um So, in the meantime, you have 637 01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:52,920 your book and your your your documentary The Bigfoot Alien Connection, where where can 638 01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:58,159 people find both of those well, the books available on Amazon, you can 639 01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:04,000 in Barns and Noble. You can it as either a digital copy where the 640 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,840 pictures will be in color, or you can buy a hard copy and they'll 641 01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:12,639 be in black and white. We also have another novel which we can I 642 01:02:12,679 --> 01:02:20,719 mention it Absolutely Aliens twenty thirty five, and it explores the idea that that 643 01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:27,000 if if if we are one lineage of life and we encounter another lineage of 644 01:02:27,039 --> 01:02:30,000 life, if we ever figure out what that is, we may not be 645 01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:35,239 able to really communicate with it in any ordinary way. And we also suggest 646 01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:42,239 that we may be growing and the alien life form having to do with the 647 01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,440 Internet, and that eventually, if we want to pull the plug, we're 648 01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:52,639 going to have to kind of eliminate everything electronically to pull the plug if we 649 01:02:52,679 --> 01:02:59,239 want to, and then pretty I would say everything, well not everything. 650 01:02:59,719 --> 01:03:06,559 The Paranormal Highway series is available on Amazon. You can watch for free Amazon 651 01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:14,280 Prime. The Bigfoot and Connection revealed. It's on YouTube. It's been It's 652 01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:19,039 got over four point four million views on it and similar number and other platforms, 653 01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:23,000 so it's a huge success. We got another one that's out on YouTube 654 01:03:23,039 --> 01:03:28,719 called The Bigfoot of Bailey, Colorado and its portals. Speaking of portals, 655 01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:36,559 that was just released on YouTube and I think it's on Amazon two now and 656 01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:43,400 it'll be on two be fantastic. And yeah, that's probably good enough. 657 01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:52,119 And so how can people get in touch with you? Or again you mentioned 658 01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:59,039 the Phenomenon conference where you'll be attending. Where would that be that people can 659 01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:02,400 come and see you were talking with you? We'll be we'll have a vendor 660 01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:10,360 table and that's in Vernal, Utah in early September. Yeah, yeah, 661 01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:15,159 and uh, I think it's the it's the first evening they're going to screen 662 01:04:15,239 --> 01:04:20,519 the movie. Excellent, the first even I know it is. Okay, 663 01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:25,280 well, excellent. Well, gentlemen, thank you very much for talking with 664 01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:30,000 us tonight. We've been talking with Ronald C. Meyer and Mark Reader about 665 01:04:30,039 --> 01:04:35,920 the book, The Bigfoot, Alien Connection Revisited and so much more. Gentlemen, 666 01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:40,199 thank you very much for taking the time out to talk with us this 667 01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,639 evening. Thanks you. It's a pleasure. We should all meet in Wales, 668 01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,760 Yes, definitely, Yeah, we'll get that. Go fund your page 669 01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:54,239 going alight? All right? Well, and thanks again, and I want 670 01:04:54,239 --> 01:04:59,199 to thank everyone for tuning into another edition of the Paranormal UK Radio show the 671 01:04:59,239 --> 01:05:04,440 flagships here on the Paranormal UK Radio Network, And we apologize for Gertie snoring. 672 01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:09,400 Oh yes, she's gonna keep me awake the whole time I'm there. 673 01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:15,239 I know it. Yes, because actually we'll have a snoring competition. So 674 01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,519 I read where can people find us? Everywhere? I payple chest but everywhere? 675 01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:24,679 Right. Well, everyone, you have a great evening, morning, 676 01:05:24,719 --> 01:05:29,679 afternoon. Whenever you're listening to this, we will see you again the next 677 01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:31,800 edition. To be good Humans. We will talk to you soon. Bye 678 01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:45,599 bye, bye bye