I see well at the impossible or whatever remains however improbable must be true.
And it is not a question of the little cultism. What a touch of
mysticism is to dead? It is vampires. There's a host of damned souls
and hello house, thy father's spirit to do it for a certain term,
to walk the night here. The old gods are to dead, and what
are the true god? He's dead? Can't complain. People assume the time
is a strict progression of cause to effect that action. From a nonlinear,
non subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibby wobbly timey wimi
stuff. You're listening to Paranormal UK Radio. Hello everybody, This is Ariane
Allen Block from the Paranormal UK Hey Radio Show, the flagship show to the
Paranormal UK Radio Network. I'm done with Mark Johnson. I was waiting to
see you if you were going to remember this time and it difficult the blasting
networks. Now, yeah, we've only I was tempted to use pr UK
radio, which is a UK radio, isn't it. Well that's our web
address p a UK radio dot com. So that's easy. But sometimes people
don't understand what the whole pa UK stance for. So now they do,
Oh what's that? Kay? Park? Yeah, Park Radio. Yeah,
there we go. Well, i'd say, anyway, how are you?
I am counting down the days. God some my it will be exactly a
month. So I'm out there. I know it isn't exciting. I'm moving.
You're just coming. You'll come here to an empty house, sweetie.
No, you'll leave me stranded at the airport because the only way I'm getting
to your house. Yeah, that's the idea. I never thought about that
one. Yeah, I'll send a message. I tell you one thing.
I've got a lot of friends at the airport. You better behave yourself because
I tell you those strip searches are lethal. To bring up the rubber glove
and the lube. Yeah, well you just said it. I did do
that to a friend actually once contact security at one of the airports, and
I did have him a strip searched. I just hope I can get back
in the country because for some reason, the last two times I've traveled internationally,
when I come back in there must be a Mark Johnson out there who's
been naughty and on a list, because both times the last two times I
went, they pulled me aside, take my passport, put me in a
room and make me wait for a while. Will they like do a big
check on me? Oh, it's like exciting. Did I say something wrong?
Oh? Can you imagine that? If when you've learned here, it
happens here. It never bothers me going anywhere. It's coming back into the
US, I get I get harassed a little bit. Don't know why.
Well, it'd be good if they put you on a plane and sent you
back to me, wouldn't it. Well, it'd be good for you.
I don't know how long the UK would put up with it, but sent
you back and forth. Yeah, there we go. I'll be constantly traveling
in between homeless. Yeah, never mind more if they don't if they don't
believe you, just tell them to contact me and not tell them who.
If they send me back, just you know, I'll bring some camping equipment
and camp out in one of the abandoned castles or something. Oh yeah,
investigate while I'm at it. Yeah, I know you. You'll read the
newest place should be camping hats in my back garden. Yeah, probably from
the pictures I saw. It's nice I'd hang out there with Gertie, would
yeah, Gotti's Caffe, Yeah, yep, yep, So she doesn't hog
the bed. You know, I don't know who would snore, louder her
or me. Oh do. Let's go ahead and let's get into our show
tonight. Now, we're very happy to introduce tonight's guests, one half of
whom I got to meet in person back in May. Tonight, we're talking
with Ronald C. Meyer and Mark Reader, who are the authors of The
Bigfoot Alien Connection Revisited. Gentlemen, Welcome to the program. Good to be
here, Good to be here now. Now I got to be there,
ron I got to meet you at the Paranormal conference in Cripple Creek in May.
And and of course your main background is as a documentary filmmaker pretty much
too. I do educational stuff, and I've done feature films as well over
the years. And I had a distribution company and was a minor player in
the growth of the cable network. Yeah. And so you've also not only
with the book that you wrote here with Mark, you've also been producing some
documentaries on this subject of the Bigfoot Alien Connection. Absolutely. It started with
a series called Chasing Bigfoot back about six years ago. It was a five
part series where I was commissioned by a distribution company to produce a series on
the phenomenon of Bigfoot, and at the end of it, I came away
thinking, it isn't a wild beast and unknown humanoid messing around, It's something
beyond that. It's something paraphysical, which was the language people were using them
but that was the way outside the norm at the time. Since then,
it's all changed. Yes, it has become a lot more mainstream now.
Even in the regular paranormal community. Everybody used to just go with the traditional
ghosts explanation or demons, and now their people are really starting to open up
to the idea of different types of interdimensional activity or time slips or all sorts
of different types of high strangeness. But I got to watch your documentary the
of this on YouTube, which I found very fascinating, and I've read the
book. So tell us a little bit about how that particular set of investigations
came about, because you investigated what about seven locations? Yes, yes we
did, um so I would say probably, well I got the idea that
well. Mark. I also wrote another novel based on the idea that that
Bigfoot was a paranormal entity in some way, and so I knew I had
learned quite a bit about the Bigfoot phenomena because I did the series, but
I didn't know crap about aliens. So I thought, well, the way
I investigate things sometimes is to make a movie about it. So I thought
I should make a movie about the Bigfoot alien connection, and that would give
me impetus to run around and interview some people and get the perspective of,
you know, the alien community or the UFO community, and see what that
was about, which I did, and I got to get some pretty good
luminaries in that movie, and it began to come together that they're probably one
and the same, or at least source from the same thing. That was
my conclusion in that movie. And from that I was hired to do a
series on what I found most interesting, or these places called paranormal hot spots.
If you're familiar with skin Walk or Ranch or either of you heard of
that, Yes, absolutely, so that's that's a paranormal hot spot. That's
where multiple, let's say, impossible activities are occurring in a geographical area over
an extended period of time and those are paranormal hot spots. So I thought,
well, what if I were to look for five of these places and
then there was another one, but I hadn't. I wanted to open a
portal up myself on my land, so I did that too, So that's
part of the book. And I thought, well, if we can go
to five spots and I can confirm that there are these things called paranormal hot
spots, I'll have a series. If I don't find any, I'll probably
own the own the distributor who paid for it a bunch of money because we
got nothing. But it turns out every place I went got got amazing stuff
and had unusual experiences myself sometimes, And uh, that's that's that's basically what
the book is based on. I said, well, could I write a
book that grouped the kind of paranormal phenomena that showed up by category, for
example, time slips. How many times did that show up and what was
their commonality? So that's what the book is based on. That's what Mark
helping does to order organize that and then related back historically, because these things
aren't just happening now. They happened in the past and they're probably increasingly happening
in the future. Mark. Mark you we were talking briefly just before we
came on the air, and I just wanted to talk about it again so
that the audience hears it that you came into this as very much a skeptic
and are still a skeptic. I am I uh as My background is not
in science. It's in the humanities and UH and in history. So in
history, you know, you deal with these kind of hard, cold facts
and you try to weave a story around them. UH. And it's kind
of in some ways, it's kind of easy. In some ways it's difficult.
So when Ron approached me with this, with this UH project, I
told him up front and I said, well, you know, I'm a
skeptic about anything paranormal. I think they can everything can be pretty much explain,
uh we once you know all the facts behind it. And he said,
that's fine. Your skepticism is welcome. And so we started to work
on the on the project together. And since I'm a historian, I went
back in history and UH and looked for information on people like Francis of ASSISI
Muhammad, UH, different people throughout history who's the events of their lives are
fairly well known, and the events of their lives turn out to have amazing
parallels to the to the events that happened to individuals now in the twenty first
century people who talk about Bigfoot sidings or UFO sidings and so as Ron and
I got into the project more and more and I did more historical research.
While I still remain a skeptic, I am not a skeptic like this can't
not possibly happen. My skepticism actually is sort of around what Ron was talking
about. I just can't see Bigfoot as this big, hairy creature that swings
through the trees of the Pacific Northwest, terrorizing the Salish Indians. But I
can see Bigfoot as an interdimensional being who exists for some reason. What it
is yet, I don't know. I have speculation on it that I don't
know for sure. There's you know, Bigfoot has been really popular in our
culture, especially in the seventies that really I think took off in a lot
of different ways with John Greene's books and then of course the famous Patterson Gimlin
film, which they've never been able to successfully debunk, and but lately,
especially these last several years, There's been a many different television shows, some
much better than others looking into the phenomenon. And again, most of the
time they are looking from like as a scientific or like let's go out in
the woods and see what we can find type of thing. But yet some
of these shows and people they're starting to look more and understand and more that
there is a very high strangeness aspect to dealing with this phenomenon. There was
a great show that was on Discovery Plus and they've been repeating it on History
Channel and they might make a second season. I don't know if you've heard
of it, called Alaskan Killer Bigfoot. No, I haven't heard of it.
Okay, if you get a chance, watch it, because it's mouth
Yes, we did. One of the cast members Ashniederhoff. It's about a
little native fishing village up in Alaska that was abandoned back in the fifties because
supposedly the townspeople were being terrorized by a local Bigfoot and people were some people
were showing up dead, so they abandoned it and years ago, and the
premise of the show was several of the locals were sent there by the elders
to see if it could be resettled because they're looking to expand and you know,
they needed for economic reasons. And the show sounds corny, but I
will say that I was fairly impressed with what happens on the show because they
encounter It's not exactly there's some big footlight activity, but there's so much of
it that's interdimensional in nature, and so many things happened and were caught on
camera that And I'm a I'm a filmmaker myself too, I have I have
my bachelor's degree in film. I've done a few documentaries myself, and I
know when I know bs when I see it. And this show is actually
pretty good. And we interviewed actually not when were you two people who are
on the show, And it goes along a lot along the lines of what
you have been doing with your research in looking into these areas of high strangeness
surrounding Bigfoot. Yeah, I mean Bigfoot is probably not our primary focus anymore.
The whole portal's ideas, like for you is has sort of captivated me
more more than anything, especially after what we did at Bradshaw Ranch, which
is the next skin Walker ranch. As you might know, Um, how
can I say something absolutely. Yeah, I apologize for any strange noises coming
from this area because my office is outbounds at the moment. Things are happening
in there, and I'm sitting in the snug with dirty and she's snoring.
Bull dog, she's snoring. So have you hearing it? It's not me,
it's the dog. Okay. But what I wanted to ask you,
both of you is have you ever thought of come into Europe? Because reports
like this of our bigfoot type creature I've been going on for centuries over here
in Europe. You know, we've got there's one in scott Scotland, we've
got one in Wales, You've got Russia, You've got all over there is
there's always reports of this sort of thing. Well, and there's also regends,
legends, absolute legends that go back for centuries. Mark Well, and
not just Bigfoot, is just the areas of high strangeness. It it's like
Ron, what you're talking about with focusing on these areas, these portals,
so to speak. Yeah, now you mentioned that you're you've actually worked to
open borders. Yeah we did. How did you do that? Do you
want a long story or a short story thetual version. Before we embarked,
Before we embarked on the series The Paranormal Highway, it occurred to me that
it would it be possible to open a portal. And I owned forty acres
in the Rocky Mountains um here in Colorado near the Big Park Rocky Mountain National
Park, and it would be it's classic Bigfoot country. People have talked about
having Bigfoot experiences there all the time, and so we asked. We ran
into a lady who had opened a portal in the state of Washington to us,
gave us some ideas of how we might do it, and it was
kind of based on starting with the gifting site. Yeah, and see if
we could do you know what gifting sites are. Yes, that's where especially
excuse me, with big Foot activity, leaving gifts and sometimes they give gifts
back and establishing that form of communication. Yeah, it's sort of we're here
and we're willing to, you know, interact with you in some way.
By Yeah, we got a lady. We got a lady over here that
actually leaves gifts for them. So we we hit it. Hid in a
bottle of feather and this land we own is isolated and um We're a small
community that owned forty acres and it's gated and people just can't get into it.
And it was underneath a big rock, and nothing happened for at least
three times. And then the fourth time, father, it was out of
the bottle and stuck in a crevice. So we said, oh, there's
something here wants to play and and and then the next thing that happened the
next time we came back, somebody dropped a mutilated deer at our gifting site.
Whoa, And that got our attention in a big way, plus kind
of freaking us out a little bit, Yeah, I would imagine. And
uh so that we started taking readings and we found elevated magnetic readings above the
deer and kind of a dome shape, which was, you know interesting.
Um. Then we set up a trail can on the site. It's it's
it takes a while to get there from where we live, so we you
know, we don't hang out there regularly. And one of the we went
when we came back, and we wanted to see what was on the card
that was captured on the trailcam, and everything was kind of normal. We
had a bobcat and some other animals that show up, but none of them
really touched the carcass, kind of walked around it. But then one of
the one of the captures was this really weird static sort of image that it
seems impossible for a digital recorder to camera to record, and it was dome
shaped that kind of matched the outline of the dome that we measured with our
electromagnetic fluctuations, and as we look at a little closer, we could see
that there was some movement inside of that. And just to keep it short,
we did it three times and each time there was some creature that we
captured on the trailcam and could resolve that it's not like any entity you'd ever
seen here. One of them looked like a little baby Bruno Sirius. Oh
interesting, And then it was over with like all portals they seem to come
and go. Yeah. It was like, hey, yeah, we like
like what you're doing. Tell the world about it. Very interesting. That
is interesting. Yeah, I've seen porters, but what I've seen are very
very similar in my world, very similar to me to like if you were
to drop oil into a puddle that luminous, can't you get I just when
I see the portal. We'll see that starting to vibrate. Where do you
see that anywhere? Really? Wherever I have to be, wherever there's a
portal, depending also on what work I'm doing. But you know, cool,
very she's very sensitive to those types of energies, so she slips.
I'm always having time slips. Yeah, so I Ray would be considered a
sensitive or you consider yourself that in a general way. I don't know why
I am what would you call me mop? Because it's a number of things,
isn't it really? Oh? What was the term that we came up
with? Extra sensor? An extra sensory? I'm an extra sensors because nobody
knows what that means. And that's fine because we don't either encompasses so many
different things. She doesn't like being called the psychic medium or or any of
these other terms because there's so much that's different. So what's me? It's
natural, you know. So I don't like titles like I don't like to
be given a name which puts it puts me into a pot with everybody else
because I'm not like everybody else. Fair enough, I'm totally I'm totally different.
Now I call her a pain in the ass. But you know Usban
calls an alien it could all be true. Yeah, very much so,
very much so. Well, and that's the funny thing. You know,
let me ask you this, with the research that you've been doing with portals,
can these be open anywhere? Or are you finding them within specific locations
that there has to be the right conditions. Um, certainly there's two parts.
That's a good question because well, one, partners are they are they
anywhere? But I think you need you need people to you know, have
have an interaction with them, right mm hmm, you know what I mean.
Yeah, So it's hard, it's hard to say. You know that
when we did Bradshaw. Of course, are you familiar with Sedona? I've
always wanted to go, but I've never been, but I'm I'm very familiar
with it. Yes, I've done it. I've not been there, but
I've done it. M So it's it's it's a place that's known for vortexes
or portals, right yeah, and very high energy there. So there's there's
a guy who electrical engineer who developed devices to see if you could detect these
vortexes or portals, which he seems to say. He says he can do
it, and he's he's found him, and he's noticed that they move around,
they don't show up, they're not always in the very same place.
I can agree with I can agree with that and also use it. Your
description of what you see as a portal would be different to mine, because
I think it's it's your Your perception of it would be different because of the
way I am. I see it in a different way. But you're Tolken.
Your description of the shape of it was right. And what you're saying
about them moving around just they do move around, And and the other thing
you ask about it seems that the substitute, the subs the geology of the
area maybe a big factor and in allowing these things to happen or attracting them,
Like Sodonna's got a base, it's under a huge course deposit with iron
oxide sitting on top of it in terms of the red rock and that and
that creates a constant magnetic fluctuation, you know, and electrical activity coming from
the ground might act like a transfer or transfer receiver. And that that fits
been with Holtings as well. Yeah, yeah, sorry, what we're going
to say, I mean, well that that actually fits in with what modern
physics who's talking about. In terms of magnetic portals. You can concentrate a
certain amount of energy, whether it's through the quartz in the iron ore or
some other way, and create an actual magnetic portal that would lead somewhere.
Right now, nobody knows exactly what that what where that something like that would
lead, But science is slowly inching its way towards understanding that portals are not
some sort of of magic phenomenon that happens because you have a port key out
of Harry Potter, but it's a reality that exists with us all the time.
M with with portals. Um Again, you'd mentioned earlier about this skin
Walker Ranch and of course all the research that's been going on there since the
mid nineties, and of course now the wonderful television show The Secret of skin
Walker Ranch on History, which is fantastic because I like their approach and it's
very grounded in science and research and experimentation. But that location is notorious for
their portals, portals that have been seen opening in the sky at night it'd
be dusk, and yet I think the owner of the ranch at the time
saw a portal open to the sky and there was bright sunny blue sky behind
it as a craft flew through. To the nid's team witnessing through some infrared
binoculars a portal opening by Homestead two on the ground and some humanoid creature crawling
out of it and running into the woods. There was that. There was
that Poulter I saw in Texas that was on the ground. I forgot about
that one, yeah, all those years ago. Yeah. And another pole
to I saw saw out there. It was on a runway on an airport
runway. Yeah, but it was one of these light aircraft runways. It
wasn't one of the you know, not one of the big ones. It
was on the runway. So with the with these portals that you've been investigating,
what type of phenomenon are you experiencing around these portals? Now? You
mentioned, uh, seeing the animals on the trail cam. I mean when
you're there in person, what what tends to happen other than electromagnetic field fluctuations.
Um, there's if you have a thermal of some sort, you'll usually
sorry yeah, she said, yeah. So for example, there's probably the
most famous um uh dog man type thing is the Beast of Bray Road.
Have you heard of that? Yes, yeah, So we did a big
investigation there. And the longer short story again, well everyone you want,
we got a half hour or so. So, so, the Beast of
Bray Road is a dog man um and the guy he owns the property next
to the road is a gentleman farmer from Illinois and he brought the property to
be a gentleman farmer. And turns out he's got this creature running around on
his property and he's become kind of obsessed with it, and he's got footprints
and he's got some some really good uh photographs he's captured on his trailcam and
other cameras. And in some ways, you know, you could say you
might other people would interpret what he grabbed was was a was a big foot.
There was another crypto anyhow, So there was this place that he would
call his place of high strangeness and said, well, you guys should come
out here and do your investigation at this place. He said he wouldn't go
into that in that area, which is kind of a wooded hedgerow type thing
by himself. And he said he's seeing the footprints go in there and just
disappear and come on and disappear in his three sizes of footprints, small,
meet him and large, and we're doing our nighttime investigation and at this place,
and there was there was definitely an intense cold spot there at this place
that we could pick up on our third thermal and record with maybe a temperature
difference of about thirty degrees fahrenheit. And people, some of the people there
that were part of the team felt something, hurt something, but like a
lot of these cases, you know, had no visual going on. And
so he said, let's go walk aways, walk away a bit, and
then come back. And we had set a rampod up, which is a
kind of a ghost detecting device. And when we came back, our lead
investigator, Allen said, oh my god, there's eyes right there. And
right next to the rampod, probably about I would say yard and a half
was something that just sat there. It was elongated, it was on all
fours, and it had the eyeshine aspect, you know, the fucking lights,
and we're all talking and yelling and shelling white lights and red light on
it, and it basically sat there and kind of ignored us, which no
wild animal would ever do. And we filmed it and it was cool.
It's cure. It was just curious about you as you were of it.
Yeah. Actually that's why I hung around. And no wild animal is going
to do that. Oh you're right, you know. They they just went
and so maybe we've we found the Beast of bray Road and small and incarnation.
But it also it also had the cold portal cold area associated with it
in the felt experiences that people had, So I had multiple aspects to the
to the whole thing. Do you know I'd love you too to come over
here and investigate over here if you ever do. My house is a hare
fall. You just come to my house. You can do anything from there.
So so Sodia, you have any money to get us on an airplane?
Oh? No, anybody out there they would like to pay money to
get them on an aeroplane to come over to investigate in the United Kingdom.
Who should they contact you? Mr? Should they contact you? Sure?
They can reach out to us at info at pa UK radio dot com.
There you go, there we go. Um, we can start to go
fund me page, make it into a competition. The person that gives the
most money can join in the hunt for Bigfoot in this country. Or the
investigations that you're going to do. Well, we'll tell you what, guys.
Since I'm going over there, I I am bringing some of my equipment
with me, so I can do definitely a preliminary of a couple of spots
while I'm out there. And again in the time since I was investigating to
now, my whole thought processes on the so called paranormal is vastly different than
it used to be. And these areas of the street, well because of
you and because of areas that I've investigated. Even here in New Jersey,
there are several hot spots. We investigated two houses on the same street this
little town that we're having started off as a you know, both said they
had ghost activity, and we investigated for a few years, coming back and
over time we realized whatever was there was attached to the land. Now,
the one idea that never occurred to me, I wasn't into it back then.
I did believe an interdimensional activity. I knew that there was some type
of elemental type of intelligence on the property, and it was the whole area.
Wasn't just the houses isolated, it was the land. But the idea
of portals playing a factor into it had not occurred to me back at that
time. Now it's something that I'm very much you know, thinking of and
aware of and would be trying to track and measure in these hotspots. And
I do believe there are powers that be that I'm quite aware of this,
and that there's technology there that thereafter. When I talked to Travis, you
know, from skin Walker Ranch, he said, the Mormon's after the technology,
doctor Travis Taylor. Yeah, Well, they have been interested in,
you know, the possibility of a certain sort of free energy maybe beyond you
know, fusion or something that would deal with the fifth state of matter,
which is now under intense investigation, and it has a lot to do with
time slips and might be responsible for spoon bending and stuff like that, and
inadvolves consciousness. So there's a lot going on. So that's why these places.
Yeah. In fact, Brandon Fugal tried to buy ball Rancha the month
before we got out there on Saturday Investigation. Yeah, I know, Brandon
is I mean again, you're right that whole area is a very heavy Mormon
community, the whole state is, and him being Mormon and being the entrepreneur
that he is, that kind of makes sense. Um, because that community
is always kind of looked out for itself and looked out for certain things.
A lot of other communities don't, UM. But I'm still their origin story
is also one of portals you want to describe the mark. Are you familiar
with the Mormon origin story? You mean with Joseph Smiths and the Yea and
the tablets and let the angel moroney. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's
that in itself. Is a is a is an ancient myth. It goes
it goes back to the Epic of Gilgamesh in the third millennium BZ. The
idea that supernatural beings actually exist and they bring information to individuals, and this
information is not just for the individual, but is to be disseminated. See
it again, uh with uh, with Jesus, with Jesus, with with
Buddha, you see it with Muhammad, with uh, Saint Paul and or
salitarisis these people, Saint Francis VASSISI. These are just the well known ones
that we know of, and these uh uh, these supernatural beings. And
let's go back and think about it in the context of you're a you're a
farmer in uh Sumaria in twenty nine. You're not going to think of a
supernatural being as an alien coming from altar Alpha centauri. You're going to think
of it in terms of whatever religious um icons that you have available to you.
And so those these beings will become as angels or they're come as devils
or demons, but they come with a message. And so say Joseph or
I mean, sorry, Joseph Smith, he has his angel Moroney. Because
in the nineteenth century, nobody's thinking about landings on the moon or something like
that. And so these paranormal individuals, these supernatural individuals, bring forth this
information and say this is for you, and it's it's especially important that you
spread this word. It's it's fascinating. I mean, I do believe this
has been a part of our history since the beginning of time. It's always
been interpreted in different ways. I mean, even doctor Taylor really got his
notoriety on ancient aliens to start, but I really like the experiments that he's
been running on Skinwalker Ranch. I had interviewed, we had interviewed Thomas Winner
about a year or so ago and talking about how the whole show came about,
and they were resistant to it at first, Brandon didn't want to do
it, and it took a lot of convincing to get them to do this
show, which now it's a huge hit. But the types of activity that
go on there, it's not just portals. There's there's this intelligence that permeates
the whole area. Yes, portals are seen opening and things coming in and
out, or like the experiment they did at Homestead too with the music and
they had the rabbi I forget his name. I always liked this guy though,
doing the chanting and the singing, and that seemed to affect the thermal
and you see the cold spot opening up, like Irene was saying, of
a portal seemed to be opening. And it has a lot to do a
sound. I think sound and vibration has a lot to do with these things.
And yet they're also there's something else going on that I think is just
beyond our comprehension in terms of these intelligences. And I keep going back to
Skinwalker because it's very fresh in my mind and I and I remember my talks
with Thomas about his own personal experiences when they first got the ranch, and
there was a couple of times he was warned to get out of certain areas,
like a voice would just appear out of nowhere and said you need to
leave now. That was around one of the times, and when he got
the encephalitis and the water on his brain. There have been other places where
people have heard voices. In that Alaskan Killer Bigfoot show. The one gentleman
we we talked to, he's a natural survivalist, and he was out in
the woods on a tree stand in the middle of the night, and he
was filming himself and he kept hearing things all around him, but he couldn't
see it. And when he came down out of the tree, he heard
a voice talk into his ear and Garrett the living crap out of him,
and his reaction was genuine. Well, I was able to go back into
the episode and download the audio and enhance it, and there's something there.
I can't quite make it out, but there's most definitely a strange, guttural
type of voice that appeared. So again, I know we've focused a lot
on portals, but whether these portals open or closed, it seems like sometimes
there are things in these areas that are there for a significant amount of time.
Indeed, by the way Mark and I are part of the lineage of
scientology, which was an awakening in the desert and by el Rod Hubbard and
a few other people, and it led to a U and their technique of
clearing, which was appropriated into a kind of an enlightenment practice that I've expanded
into effortless power and situational awareness and we teach we call it kind of a
flow practice, and it's derivative of what happened in the desert with these boys
back then created a religion. So you know, it's a small example and
it's been transformative for the people who practice it. Would you say, where
very much? So? So the clearing clearing, the idea of clearing is
just in some ways a minor part of it from the from the way that
most people think about clearing. It's it's basically an idea of tuning into your
body in such a way that you that a person is no longer trying to
use their discrete large muscles to do something, but instead is in a state
where their action is a result of being in the relationship with the person,
instead of trying to do something to the person or being having something done to
them. There's a relationship of a sort of a conflation of ideas and movement
that produced something larger and more memorable, turns Mark into a superman. I
wouldn't say that but a brief moment, but yeah, it does. It's
effortless power in your own relationship. You let go. It's all about letting
go. It's not about building anything new up. Yeah, which which was
the problem with the New Edge movement was became a personal personal entity project and
get better and succeed. Why this is the opposite. It's letting go to
be in the flow, as it were. Yeah, it's not just a
plug for that. With with some of these locations that you've investigated, have
you come across phenomena that I will call orbs of light? That's these these
individual like balls of light that can be as small as a baseball, as
big as a soccer ball balls seem to be around these areas and acting intelligently.
Yeah. Bradshaw Ranch, we had in some incredible examples the plasma balls,
plasma crafts, and color um. But probably the weirdest thing we had
is um, there's this place again a focal point on the ranch where we
clearly detected a portal in multiple ways and they set up our trail camera on
it, and all our night footage shows what I would call a black trying
pyramids sitting over the space, quite large. It's it's moderately translusive, and
twice I would say we had hundreds of orbs flowing out of it, light
orbs and then flowing back into it, one time coming out, one time
going in. Is that what you're talking about? Yes? And no,
No, I think I saw a clip in the trailer for the Branshaw Ranch
of that. Yes, I'm sure that type of phenomenon. And and again
not saying and showing my own little bit of skepticism there is usually when I
see that type of activity, the first thing I want to do a shine
of flashlight through it and make sure it's not like dust or pollen from trees
or whatnot, because it causes the same type of phenomenon. But I haven't
I haven't personally witnesses, but I've interviewed witnesses that have seen these large plasma
like balls in association with bigfoot activity. Now, there was an old friend
of mine, I haven't talked to him in a long time, but he
was a Bigfoot researcher out of Ohio, Tim Stover he saw a bigfoot and
I think now going on over thirty years ago, while hunting in a tree
stand, and when the sun came up, he looked over and saw this
thing standing forty feet away. Watched it for a couple of minutes. It
didn't seem to see him, but then it turned and walked off, and
that's when he got scared because then he could see all the muscles underneath him.
He goes, that's not a guy to costume. A few years later
he'd go out all the time looking forward again, researching, and there was
a period of time where he was filming in the woods that you'd see these
balls of light moving behind him in the woods. Now sometimes he would point
the camera to himself in film and narrate, not realizing that he's catching this
ball moving behind him. And what interested me was it was weaving in front
of and behind trees, showing that it wasn't anything that was close to the
lens, like a speck of dust or an insect or anything. That it
was probably about thirty forty feet away and maybe the size of a soccer ball.
Then a couple of weeks later he calls me up at night, my
wife and I happened to be at Walmart. My phone rings and I pick
it up and it's him. He's calling me from the woods. He's standing
in the middle of the woods and he has a cell signal, totally freaking
out, and he I go, well, what happened? He was saying
that as he was walking through the woods, all of a sudden, this
ball of light floated out of the woods, floated up and hovered in front
of his face, and lasted about thirty forty seconds. And then I asked
him what. It popped into my head to ask him, how did you
feel when that was happening, And he had to think about it for a
second. He goes, you know what, I felt, perfectly calm and
peaceful. And it wasn't until he thought about his cell phone camera. They
reached first camera to grab it to take a picture. This thing just popped
and went out, disappeared, and he goes, that's when he got scared.
That's when the fear all came rushing in. And he called me on
the phone right then and there. But I found it fascinating that whatever this
thing was, it was communing with him in some way that he was peaceful,
and it wouldn't surprise me. I think you've mentioned this in your books,
but I know of other people that has happened to that. Sometimes people
get information downloads. Yeah, that's a big part of our thinking on this,
what this is all about. Yeah, the information Downlook again, it's
a historical phenomenon that again you go back to the epic of Gilgamesh, you'd
go back to Mohammad, whether you want to do it with Joseph Smith and
Angel Moroney. Individuals get these downloads all the time. Schrodinger or when Schroedinger
talked about it, how he got these sort of downloads that would give him
ideas for a quantum mechanics for example. And Stephen Jobs is a good example.
Yeah, he's not a computer expert, but he would get these sort
of downloads of let's create an iPod and with an idea of how to actually
make the iPod, even though he's not any he was not any kind of
computer genius. Nikola Tesla was the same way. He would receive these downloads
for a lot of his inventions. And then there are also times that people
hint hint Irene who have had these experiences and have these downloads, but they
don't know what the download was. Only that information was downloaded, but it's
not accessible through the consciousness. In other words, when the time is right,
download will come to fruited, it'll come to the conscious mind. So
so you're aware that there's been this group of people that are that are in
the high tech science thing. They called them, it's called the invisible College
that they are that that they keep their profile low and they get these downloads
and convert them into technology and discovery and science and that sort of stuff.
That's that's existing today, and it goes way back to in time because getting
these downloads is trouble for your career if you talk about them. If in
a lot of ways, yes, it's like modern science taking an interest in
what we are all researching. You know, regular scientists can have their careers
ruined, or their funding drives up, or they're laughed out of the out
of their specialty for even considering things like that. Now, again, some
of this is becoming a little bit more mainstream, but that's the way it
was for many many years. Yeah, mainstream really quickly right now. Yeah,
and I think shows like Skinwalker Ranch are really kind of breaking that mold
of showing this high strangeness paranormal and them using real world science and scientific principles
to investigate it. Now they sometimes bring in psychics, they sometimes bring in
the Native Americans, or even like the Rabbi, doing more metaphysical type of
experiments. Yet at the same time they've got all their instruments running, and
that that frequently see at one point six gigga hurts is really fascinating. And
you experience that in your when you were doing your documentary on the big Foot
alien connection, it was like, was it like one point seven gigga hurts
between one six one seven? That wasn't me, Oh, that wasn't you.
I can swear it was you when I was watching the documentary recently.
You know, you got to be a little careful about expecting science to eventually,
as we understand it, the body of knowledge, that's the current theories
to explain this stuff, you know, to break things down into little tiny
things in a few forces is probably not going to ever do it. It's
not going to explain you and I are Mark or or Irene, and I
think there's a growing awareness that this is the case because right now, the
only exit we don't even know what life is, and we don't really know
what intelligence is, and it's probably not going to be likely that it will
be reducible too to a bunch of a little tiny things bouncing around, and
that nobody can really agree on one theory of and in a couple of forces.
It's just not going to happen. Oh that's cool, and some technologies
come out of it, but there's a growing sense that's that's doomed to really
get into the depth of what we are as human beings. Actually, I
do agree with you on that. Oh good. I mean, I like
with the shows and what they're doing to try to make it more legitimate.
But at the same time I agree with you, and I agree science has
not reached that point yet, if ever, to be able to fully explain
it, and there are other techniques that could be used to research and try
to have a better understanding of all this. So there's a you have to
keep make a distinction between the scientific method, which is one way of gaining
knowledge, and then science, which is this collection of writings and stuff that's
been passed down to generation to generation, which keeps changing all the time and
gets updated and so on. So that's that's a going process. But the
scientific method is, you know, you see a pattern, you you form
a hypotheses, you do some experiments, you make or refute it and all
that's the scientific method. And a symptom I hear Gertie. So this is
a This is an interesting historical interesting historically as well. When you think about
there the pre twentieth century where science is beginning to really take root, with
the with the scientific revolution of the seventeenth century, with you know, people
like Galileo and Newton and lifenings and moving forward. Life was actually kind of
gritty and difficult. Life expectancy wasn't much past fifty. Most of it had
to do with things like public sanitation. Also the fact that life was hard.
There wasn't an overabundance of food necessarily, and public health wasn't really knowing
about. So you go to the twentieth century and science what we think of,
what the lay person thinks of as science says, wait a minute.
If we have public sanitation and we improve our communication skills through we have antibiotics,
we get radio, we get television, we get nuclear energy, Suddenly
science seems to be this catch all word for it can answer anything, and
and we think, okay, well, science will understand this idea of orbs,
or will understand the idea of the bigfoot or something. And that's not
that's that's not guarantee. It's not not only not guaranteed, it's a it's
a false promise. The scientific method is not about necessarily understanding the way the
universe works or the reason for the universe existence. I agree with that,
I think because we went from one one extreme of every being looking at things
from a religious standpoint to the other extreme of only wanting to look at it
from the scientific method in order to validate put it under a microscope and say,
okay, yes, this is real, when there's something that's actually really
in between. And a lot of it has to deal more with not only
human conscious but even our own intuition and psychic abilities and abilities to see beyond
what we perceive as the physical world, because there is a lot more going
on in our world than we realize that we could see with our experience with
our five senses. And we also have to remember that our five senses are
filtered by the zeitgeist. If you are if you're having a paranormal experience in
the eighteenth century. You're going to explain it much differently than you are going
to explain it in the twenty first century. Yep. And imagine where we'd
be in the twenty second century. Yeah, we're coming close to the end
of the show here. The one thing else I wanted to bring up is,
I know you have a new film that's getting ready to come out about
the Branshaw Ranch. Could you briefly talk about about it and when when people
can expect to see it. Well, we're going to premiere it at the
Phenomena con and uh in Vernal, Utah at the Big Conference area in September.
The We're still debating the title a little bit with a distributor, but
we actually interact with alien entities in a way that's very convincing that we capture
on film and verify scientifically that I'd like to see. I really would want
to see that. Yeah, it was it was it blew us away?
Interesting? Well, definitely, I I'm with Irene. I definitely want to
see that once it's ready. Um So, in the meantime, you have
your book and your your your documentary The Bigfoot Alien Connection, where where can
people find both of those well, the books available on Amazon, you can
in Barns and Noble. You can it as either a digital copy where the
pictures will be in color, or you can buy a hard copy and they'll
be in black and white. We also have another novel which we can I
mention it Absolutely Aliens twenty thirty five, and it explores the idea that that
if if if we are one lineage of life and we encounter another lineage of
life, if we ever figure out what that is, we may not be
able to really communicate with it in any ordinary way. And we also suggest
that we may be growing and the alien life form having to do with the
Internet, and that eventually, if we want to pull the plug, we're
going to have to kind of eliminate everything electronically to pull the plug if we
want to, and then pretty I would say everything, well not everything.
The Paranormal Highway series is available on Amazon. You can watch for free Amazon
Prime. The Bigfoot and Connection revealed. It's on YouTube. It's been It's
got over four point four million views on it and similar number and other platforms,
so it's a huge success. We got another one that's out on YouTube
called The Bigfoot of Bailey, Colorado and its portals. Speaking of portals,
that was just released on YouTube and I think it's on Amazon two now and
it'll be on two be fantastic. And yeah, that's probably good enough.
And so how can people get in touch with you? Or again you mentioned
the Phenomenon conference where you'll be attending. Where would that be that people can
come and see you were talking with you? We'll be we'll have a vendor
table and that's in Vernal, Utah in early September. Yeah, yeah,
and uh, I think it's the it's the first evening they're going to screen
the movie. Excellent, the first even I know it is. Okay,
well, excellent. Well, gentlemen, thank you very much for talking with
us tonight. We've been talking with Ronald C. Meyer and Mark Reader about
the book, The Bigfoot, Alien Connection Revisited and so much more. Gentlemen,
thank you very much for taking the time out to talk with us this
evening. Thanks you. It's a pleasure. We should all meet in Wales,
Yes, definitely, Yeah, we'll get that. Go fund your page
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Oh yes, she's gonna keep me awake the whole time I'm there.
I know it. Yes, because actually we'll have a snoring competition. So
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