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UFO Headquarters, Beautiful Headquarters. Greetings, Earthlings, believers, skeptics, and
everybody in between to and welcome to another fascinating episode of UFO Headquarters. I'm
Michael Warden and of course with Linda Zimmerman, the Linda Zimmerman. Linda,
how are you tonight? Very good? How are you, my fellow earthling?
Not too bad? I'm in an earthy kind of mood tonight good good.
Well, we kind of have a split program this evening, split content.
You will be going first with So we're gonna talk a little bit about
a recent government and update with UFO investigations. Okay, to be interesting.
What are you going to be talking about? Um? The title of my
segment is alien, pancakes and Italians, which will all be explained, um,
for better or for worse. But let's dive into the more recent first.
You know, you know, everybody's sitting the fast forward button on the
podcast right now. I find out about the pancakes. I can't blame them,
I'm going to but I felt it was important to really to talk about
this topic because when we're recording it. It's you know, February of twenty
twenty three. People may be listening to this at you know, much later
dates. But you know, the government. You know, typically bills are
passed by the government, and you know they have these huge, huge,
multi page bills that are full of pork. You know, they slide these
different appropriates in. You know, someone will get five million dollars to study
flatuants in the earthworm or something. But something was added into them. I'm
going to tell you specifically what. It's called the Natural Defense Authorization Act for
fiscal year twenty twenty three. It's an eight hundred and fifty eight billion dollar
appropriation. That's how much money we're talking about. So amongst all of this
lengthy stuff is something very interesting that was added by a representative from Wisconsin,
and it is basically, it's a mandate to create office to investigate unidentified aerial
phenomena. And that's very interesting and it's going to be as part of the
Department of Defense. So, you know, in the last couple of years,
to govern has been teasing us with a lot of this you know official
you know, looking into things. You know, some people always say,
well, you know, are they prepping us for the big reveal? Are
they just sort of trying to to placate us, you know, give us
crumbs? Ah, yeah, we're looking into it. Here, here's a
couple of crumbs. Don't look at the pie over here. Just eat these
crumbs, you know. I think it's there's so much reaction now it's gone
from being the fringe to it's mainstream. They can't fight the tide. Yeah,
you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Yes. And now
this is what I want to I'm gonna read a little bit from the actual
Act because I think it's important. So it's basically gonna create this office,
and their mandate is to investigate and receive reports of any event relating to unidentified
aerial phenomena and any government or government contractor activity or program related to unidentified aerial
phenomena. Wow, that opens a big door, doesn't it? Government contracting?
It's extremely, extremely I think, and under this act, and if
people want to look it up, you can. You can find it online
at section sixteen sixty three of that Act. That's how big we're talking because
it goes into a lot of detail on how they're supposed to share information with
different agencies confidentiality. It's mandated to be staffed by people that can obtain the
appropriate security clearances. So this isn't going to be a bunch of people off
the street getting higher. This is going to be people with security clearance.
Yeah, so don't send in your resume. No, definitely not. And
what they're supposed to do is part of the things they're still submit to the
Congressional Intelligence Committee, the Congressional Defense Committees, and congressional leadership of report detailing
the system for reporting. So they have to come up with a system for
people to make reports. So it's not just to investigate other activity that has
happened, we'll talk about that, but to create a way for people to
feed reports to that new agency. I guess it's maybe it's a Project Bluebook
two point zero, but hopefully hopefully with a more objective goal in mind and
not just say everything is venus or swamp gas. And also to make available
to the public on a website information about such a systems and clear public guidance
for accessing and using a system, and providing feedback about using the system and
the timeline to process a report. So it's sounds like they're really trying to
create some transparency, because of course it's always to accusation with the government is
they're not transparent. It also creates some protections, and I thought this was
an interesting part of the bill. There's a section prohibition on reprisals. Wow,
that's huge, and it mentions an employee of a federal agency and an
employee of a contractor for the federal government is basically they cannot be threatened with
their job for making a report. That was an interesting section that they put
in there. And they also put another clause is that they have the right
to a private action, means they can sue them if that does happen.
So they created a mechanism for addressing a grievance on that. So they are
going to conduct this assessment and they have to report to Congress, so there's
going to be some accountability. Now, what are they going to tell us?
Who knows? Well, that's just it. But the fact that they're
openly saying they're going to do this, there will not be any reprisals,
that's all. That's all huge And they're bit by bit catching up with the
civilian side of things. Now, how much money are we talking here?
So I couldn't find the specific dollar amount because it's if you read it too
long, it'll cure insomnia. But I wanted to talk about real quick.
They their definition of a UAP unidentified aerial phenomena, So they have a very
specific term and a definition that they use in this bill and also in the
previous bill from twenty twenty two, which investigated some of the UFO aspects,
and they basically term it as and I'm going to read this to you their
words. The term unidentified aerial phenomena means a airborne objects that are not immediately
identifiable, B trans medium objects or devices, and C submerged objects or devices
that are not immediately identifiable and that display behavior or performance characteristics suggesting that the
objects or devices may be related to the previous air b I found that interested.
And for people that don't know what the definition of the trans medium,
it means objects or devices that transition between space and the atmosphere, or between
the atmosphere and bodies of water that are not immediately identifiable. Yeah, they
had that one video of the object skimming along above the water, and then
oh, it's in the water. It's in the you know, they're they're
stunned. It's in the water. So oh yeah, I'm glad they expanded
that to just not aerial things because obviously USOS have been a very big part
of the field for generations. So they're catching up bit by bit they are,
and interesting to me is and I think I had heard of this case.
I don't know what, didn't know much of the details, but it's
pushing the timeline for investigating back to nineteen forty five. You know, typically
people have looked at the Roswell New Mexico incident in forty seven as the sort
of the beginning of this modern UFO era. Everybody talks about Roswell, and
I think it's interesting because the New York Times covered this and said, you
know, a top secret US military balloon crashed in nineteen forty seven, So
that's that's apparently where they started with this. But I wanted to just talk
about the nineteen forty five incident. Is fascinating and you're familiar with this,
right, I think that one in Arizona. This one's in New Mexico,
New Mexico. Was that, yes, Yeah, San Antonio, New Mexico,
just to confuse everybody. Okay, don't don't try to google San Antonio,
Texas UFO. It will not take you to the information. But it's
called to San Antonio UFO crash. And I'm just gonna give you some information
or give our listeners. Let's go back to August sixteenth, nineteen forty five,
and this is thirty days after the first atomic bomb has been tested at
the Trinity Site, which of course is a complete coincidence. Yeah, not
right. And at the time of this, people didn't know about the atomic
bomb being tested in all this, you know, they knew it afterwards because
we dropped the bombs on. But so two young boys, Jose Padilla and
Remy Becca, they saw an oval shaped craft that came in and they watched
it as it came in and crashed. Now, according to them, they
had been looking for a cow, and they were a few miles away from
the Trinity site, so they're relatively close to where the original ground zero would
have been. They described seeing an avocado shaped craft measuring twenty five to thirty
feet in diameter, and it crashed into a brick tower which had an antenna
on top of it, and fell to a and fell to the ground.
The boys used binoculars to view and they saw four beings with non human characteristics
through a hole in the craft, three of which appeared injured but were able
to move in one was lying on the ground and couldn't move at all.
The boys were hiding and apparently watched them for almost two hours, so they
had eyes on that, not a ten second sighting. Yes. They described
these beings as small, about three three and a half feet. They had
long arms with four fingers, elongated eyes, no hair or ears, and
they were wearing silver like uniforms that were tight to their bodies. So is
that like the description of the grays the elongated eyes. I don't know.
I'm trying to picture here. Two days after the incident, military personnel arrived
at the site, and apparently the boys being curious boys, I'm sure I
would have been the same way. At the time. We're watching from a
distance the military doing their cleanup, and they waited for them to be done
so that they could go and get a souvenir from the crash site to see
if anything was left behind. So in August twentieth, the ship was loaded
up and drove away and the boys followed this. These guys, I would
then give them some courage. Man, these guys, the kids are brave.
They follow the military truck where they hide the ship in a barn,
and these boys sneak into the barn a piece of metal from it that was
attached to a panel. So they take this piece off of the device or
whatever crashed, and then they bring it with him and they keep it a
secret for seventy years. They never talk about it. It has been now
accordingly that piece of metal has been tested. And let me just this is
very interesting. Let's see, apparently they picked up something from the site itself
and an analysis was conducted at the request of moufon so out of the executive
director out of California, and the conclusion two different metal samples were identically composed.
They were a primary aluminum they or primary aluminum alloy with copper and silicone.
Small amounts of other elements were present, and on Earth we would use
this for like engine crankshafts, gas and oil tanks, you know, typewriter
frames, et cetera. The isotopic ratios for nickel, copper, and zinc
were comparable to terrestrial or Earth values. However, they can't reel them out.
They can't rule out that they didn't come from another place. You know,
they didn't come from an terrestrial source. And one of the theories being,
well, what if the aliens were time travelers, of course the composition
will be the same, because if they're from Earth, they're coming back to
Earth. I think that's a jump. Another one was the aliens may have
bases on Earth and construct their craft from metals on Earth. So you know,
the physical processes involved in formation of the elements and other worlds and solar
systems were the same as ours. So whatever however, our Earth formed and
the conditions were very similar to how their planet, so the compositions are the
same. Or number four, the metals could be from an actual military craft
craft made here. So very interesting, not conclusive to say yes it's alien.
Maybe the boys did grab something off of a crankshaft and were running into
the barn in the middle of the night, stealing picture. You know,
I don't know if I'd been that brave as a little kid, probably not.
I I don't think I would have right now. I'd throw on my
gilly suit and crawl a mile to get in there. But yo. Absolutely,
I even parachute in it. I'm scared of heights. But it's interesting
that they're they're going to look at it again because initially, um that press
conference, they were only going to go back what I don't know, ten
years or something like that, and everybody got hopping mad. You know,
how about the other seventy years of sightings in And they're like, well,
we need radar data, we need that. What you need are the best
cases possible from whatever year they are with the most witnesses, The most credible
evidence is not just radar hits. So I'm glad they're expanding. Somebody must
have gotten in their ear and said, if you're going to do this right,
um, let's look at the whole field of uphology, not just a
tiny slice. And it's very fascinating that they chose this incident as kind of
like the starting point, right. You know, they could have stuck with
Roswell that okay, well we started with forty seven. Yeah, we explained
that one. But they're going back, you know, even a couple more
years before that extending and I wonder how much further back it will go.
And I wonder what records they have on this right right, so starting point,
it'll be interesting to see where it develops. Yeah, so let's yeah,
let's keep an eye on Yeah, we actually what are we going?
Right? Right? So should we take a break before pancakes? I think
so? Okay? Will there be syrup with these pancakes? All right,
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I don't see any men in black circling the house yet, so I
think I'm safe. If I disappear, it's either my wife killed me or
the men in black. So all right, I'll be on it. Don't
worry, worry, we will do our due diligence to find your body at
the Let's get to it. Let's get to what the people really want to
hear about. No, I think that is very important to these These are
huge moves on the fact, you know, on the part of a government
who has been ridiculing, belittling, and ignoring the field publicly, at least
for so long. It is so yeah, so let's shift gears just a
little bit. Um. I have known about this case for many years,
and um it's it's so bizarre. It's I'm well, you know me,
I gravitate to the bizarre, obviously, but when something so bizarre and the
person is so credible, you just you just stand and wonder, like what
is going on here? So we will let the listeners decide on this segment
Alien Pancakes and Italians, which um, I couldn't have made up a better
title. Uh, we are going to Eagle River, Wisconsin, which is
apparently a very beautiful area. Have not been there, and it is Tuesday,
April eighteenth, nineteen sixty one. Joe Simonton. He is of simultaneously
described as a chicken farmer, a plumber, and an auctioneer. So I
guess he does a little bit of everything. Very well known in town,
very respective respect respected. He's somewhere in his sixties, probably mid to late
sixties, and he's having it's about a think around eleven amish. He was
having a quick bite of lunch and he was at the dishes. It took
the dishes to the sink and out the sink, out the window over the
sink. He's hearing a loud jet like sound, which he describes as quote
like knobby tire on wet pavement, which I thought was a great description.
You can almost hear hear that. And again quote now, I got a
lot of this straight from the interviews he gave. So this is right from
the horse's mouth, so to speak. Something coming straight down, just like
an elevator. And at first I thought the roof came off of my house,
but no, the roof is green and this is bright, So what
the heck is it? So I raced to see what it was. He
runs outside, he says, it is a disc brighter than chrome, which
is pretty bright. So about thirty feet in diameter, twelve feet high.
And this is very curious. There were six to seven inch diameter exhausts,
exhaust pipes around the perimeter. I've heard of some crap with a pipe or
vent here or there, but these were around the perimeter. A whole series
of exhaust pipes, and by the time he got outside, he said,
quote, there was a hatchway opening up on the side of it, just
like the trunk of your car. And there stood a little man, I
say little man. It was about five feet tall, and he later said
about one hundred and twenty five pounds, holding up a jug or container,
and he motioned he wanted to drink. He motioned for water. Okay,
so we have we are both feet in the rabbit hole at this point,
what did these apparent aliens look like? Well, you know nineteen sixty one
where they graze, where they reptilians, where something hideous with all sorts of
slithering limbs. No, he said, they looked like Italians. So they
had dark hair, dark complexion, dark eyes, and he kept saying,
how I were quote so penetrating. I had to look away. They were
about twenty five to thirty years old. They were wearing dark blue or black
nit uniforms, turtlenecks with helmet like caps. And some skeptics say, well,
he's obviously describing what Italian race car drivers were wearing, and you know
he was hallucinating. Well, I don't know how you translate your interpretation of
an Italian race car driver into somebody in a yeah, in a disc Yeah.
I mean you have to listen to this guy. He's just so down
to earth, straight shooting. So we have these Italian looking whether they're aliens
time trap, I don't know, but they have this jug and they're thirsty.
So Joe takes the jug into the basement to fill it with the pump
because apparently he doesn't have regular running water. He has to pump water into
this jug. And he said the jug was silvery colored, two handled,
heavier than aluminum and lighter than steel. So he's very very good at these
descriptions, extremely descriptive the sky. Yeah, I mean, if you were
making it up, why just say they handed me a silver jug? Yeah
right. He said it was unlike anything he had seen on earth. And
to hand it back to the little Italian looking alien or what a figure,
he has to lean against the craft, which is important because other reports we've
had of people touching a craft get burned or it's a strange feeling. He
didn't feel anything in particular. He just leaned against it, leaned up to
hand this jug back to the guy. And again he said he got that
same penetrating look from this person and just very very unnerving. So the man
takes the jug from Joe, puts it down, and then gives him a
salute. Very unfortunately. You know, people can't see this, but I'll
demonstrate for you, Mike. He the man raises his hand, puts his
fingertips against his forehead with the back of his hand pointing out, and you
know, Joe interprets us this as a type of salute, and Joe,
I guess, having been in the military, just naturally gives him a military
salute back. And some people, I think we're probably criticizing why are you
saluting? This possible? It's like he saluted me. What am I going
to do? You know? It doesn't try to make up any big you
know, excuse Hey, he saluted me, I saluted him back. It's
just if this guy is nuts, he's really good at it. So what
does this mean? They look human? Okay, completely human, just a
little shorter. Joe is either lying, mentally ill or drugged hypnotize. You
know, somebody did something which is you know, chicken farmer in Wisconsin.
Really, if it is true, let's for argument's sake say this, Actually
he saw what he saw is this interstellar flight? Is it time travel?
Is it something interdimensional? Whatever it is took an enormous amount of technology and
sophistication, and it I just loved this because here they are on this incredible,
sophisticated, high tech trip. Oh crap, we forgot to bring the
water, right, It's so relatable. Actually, it's so relatable. But
you were supposed to bring the water, so I thought you packed it.
I mean, what what again, if you were making this up, is
that something you would well, that's that's again, you know, the little
details. That's not something most people would make up that they wanted water.
You know, usually when people again we've talked about this, when people lie
and tell stories, they tend to over tell them. It's always big right,
asking them like for water, It's not really something I think most people
would find Why would you lie about that? Nineteen? You know, there's
no reason. Yeah, and a very strange detail to add. And you
know what I find interesting is so many time we did a whole show on
UFOs sucking up water from pools, from lakes, and even if we go
back to the mysterious airships late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds many people reported
the occupants of these airships were taking well water. So all right, again,
hey, I am not making a judgment on this. I'm just reporting
what he said, and you, you all out there can determine. So
it gets weirder. Joe notices that another little Italian, there were three all
together, I believe, off to the side, appeared to be frying pancakes.
All right, you're on a long trip. You forgot to bring sandwich?
Is I'm making fun? But again he's just he and Joe points to
the pancakes and does a gesture of eating, and he said, I was
hoping to get a conversation out of him because no one was saying anything.
He did say at one point, even though the man was gesturing like he
wanted to drink, he kind of heard in his mind they wanted water.
So there was some telepathic communication apparently going on. He said. The man
didn't say a word, grabbed a handful of them, four of them,
and handed them down to me. They were hot and greasy, and he
describes it was a square grill like device, no flame, but obviously very
hot, and it was generating smoke because they're front I mean, I don't
think you'd do this in an RV generating all this smoke, and they're doing
this on this aircraft. Don't shoot the messenger. I'm just reporting what he
said. And then I love this. He is again such a down to
earth guy. He says, if that was their food, God helped them,
because I tasted one of them and it tasted like a piece of cardboard.
And if that's what they lived on, it's no wonder they're small,
all right. A rather good assessment there, he said. And with that
he reached the man inside. He reached up and closed the hatch with a
heavy click like thud to latch it. And he describes when the hatch was
closed it was completely seamless. You could not tell where the door was,
and that's something we have also heard in the past. The craft then started
to raise, went up to about twenty feet, tilted at a forty five
degree angle. Now we've heard that a lot, yes, with disc shaped
craft very common right tilt, then took off straight south and shot off and
it was gone in two to three seconds. Now, unlike many craft that
not even a leaf on a tree will bend. This created a huge blast
of air that shook the tree tops and the tree next to it completely bent
over, and he was surprised it didn't snap and it sprung back. So
there was maybe all those exhaust pipes he was seeing, so kind of a
different type of propulsion. And he finishes his little interview with so there I
stood with a handful of greasy pancakes and my mouth open, wondering what the
heck I saw and what had happened, as we all would. So a
couple of a couple of things I want to add, he said, he
looking into the saucer it was at. The interior was a dull black color
with three, as he described them, extremely beautiful instrument panels, which seemed
set in something like wrought iron. What's it? Sounds very Italian though,
doesn't it? It could be sounds like very sixties though too um So.
They had a very stylish interior and stark contrast to the shiny, brighter than
chrome exterior. This was dark, he said. They appeared the three of
them appeared to be chained or belted to their workstations, which you know,
pilots strap in, drivers strap in. And he said it never actually touched
the ground. It was hovering very close to the ground. But again something
we hear a lot just a foot or two above the ground. He noticed
the cook. The pancake chef had a narrow red trim on his pants,
so the uniforms were not Is that what a cook wears? Was he?
The captain just happened to want a cook? I don't know now the pancakes
themselves. This is very interesting, not true. Nothing I would discuss three
inches long, flat, lots of little holes like a crumpet. Have you
ever had a real crumpet? Yes? I have had them, sinfully good,
twipping in butter. They are the best part of going to the United
Kingdom. Yes, I could eat them breakfast, lunch and dinner. Yes.
And if anybody's going to England, London and Fortnham and Mason. They've
been in business since I looked this up seventeen oh seven, so they know
how to make a crumpet. They know a thing or two about crumpeting.
It was many years ago, but one of my happiest experiences was tea at
Fortnham and Mason, a scone covered in strawberry jam and Devonshire cream. Oh,
I'm starting to drool all over my notes. Here. I think a
UFO headquarters road trip is in order here, Yes, yes, to make
sure that these crumpets were like the alien pen Yes. Anyway, I've digressed
enough. The other thing he described is that they smelled like they were cooked
in goose grease. And I guess, as a farmer, he knows what
goose grease. That's very disturbing. Are they killing gas and rendering their fat
to cook in? Did they? I don't know. I'm just telling you
they The pancakes were kind of rubbery and elastic. He was brave enough to
eat one. He gave the others to the Villas County Judge Frank Carter,
who was also a UFO enthusiast. So Carter did the right thing. He
sent these pancakes to Nightcap. But Nightcap apparently thought of this as ridiculous.
We're not wasting our time. They declined to even test them. I guess
I can. You know it's a tough pill to swallow Italians with a jug
of water and making pancakes. So Joe, of course, was hounded by
reporters and mercilessly ridiculed. He said he was damn sick and tired of all
of this and never should have ported it. Lost three weeks of work,
which he couldn't afford to do, you know, with he didn't profit by
this. For some reason, the Air Force kind of took this seriously enough
to send Jlan high at Heineck, and Heineck took one of the pancakes and
the Air Force paid to have it analyzed. And they were just basically flour,
little bit of sugar and grease, and the flour in particular buckwheat,
some soybean, some wheat brand, and hydrogenated oil. Okay, the FDA
put out a report. You can look this up. There is supposedly so
all very terrestrial ingredients. You know, did they take them from a farm?
Are they as you said before, time travelers? So of course they're
terrestrial? Who knows. But supposedly a Minneapolis grain lab tested them and they
were Yes, it was buckwheat, but of a strain they couldn't identify,
and you'd think a grain lab would be able to identify. So so everybody,
even the Air Force personnel, said that Joe was highly regarded, sincere,
much respected. He appeared to be absolutely honest. Nothing to gain on
the contrary, you know, he lost work. He people made fun of
him, and who needs that. So since they couldn't discredit Joe, the
Air Force, you know, had to excuse this as something. So one
of their psychiatrists, and this is a quote. I would love to hear
some feedback from those listeners in rural areas because the psychiatrist wrote, experience of
this type hallucinations followed by delusions are not at all uncommon, and especially in
rural communities. What how do they come up with that that people in rural
communities are It's not uncommon for them to have hallucinations followed by delusions. Nothing
to see here, it's obviously. I'm sure there was a wealth of scientific
literature to support that conclusion. Oh yes, yes, and in fact,
the blue Book conclusion was a hallucination. But a couple of other quick things.
Joe also played Santa Claus every year for the town's Christmas event, So
just throwing that out there. And he had said, you know, he
was never going if he ever saw anything again, he wouldn't tell anybody.
But actually, in nineteen seventy nine years later, an investigator came to see
him, and I don't believe he would elaborate, but he said he had
other visits, so not surprising. And then the kicker is one of these
pancakes is in It is exhibited at the fabulous Air Force Museum at Wright Patterson
Air Force Base. Have you been to that museum? No, Oh my
god, I have been there twice. We will add this to our travels.
It is a magnificent museum. And they have this one little hole upstairs
off to the side with supposedly UFO things, but it's all identified debris.
But they have the pancake. So I have seen the alien pancakes looks like
you know, a flash. It's still intact after all these years. It's
stylan and I don't I don't know that Italian uh aliens use additives, but
whatever it was, it's it is still there for all to see. So,
you know, first blush, you say, oh, don't waste my
time with this, But when you look at who he was, that he
had nothing to gain, and just the sincerity and the way he just hey,
this is what I saw. I don't care if you believe me or
not. And he never changed. He never elaborated, he never went into
you know, bizarre description. You know, it was all basic stuff.
Shiny craft. The guy wanted water. Somebody's cooking something and it took off.
I don't know. And his descriptions, what strikes me is that he's
he's relating what he's seeing or what he's like. The goose fat being rendered.
You know, maybe that wasn't necessarily goose fat, but the odor was
the closest thing. So, you know, people tend to use their experiences
to explain things that they just can't, so you know, to him,
they the closest thing you can think of was they looked like Italians, right
right. You know that's just to me a very sincere, an honest way
of talking about it. It's not something that if he's going to make this
up, you know, all these are little green men with with antennas,
you know, like he's not gonna go with I don't know, they were
like they're like Italians, Like if you know, if his goal was to
can pull a hoax and get this attention, I don't know why at that
time he would want to get attention. People were mocked for this. They
weren't like celebrated. I don't I just don't see him keeping it so mundane
and natural. Most people couldn't do that. If he could, if he
made this up, he could have been an excellent screenwriter. His descriptions,
his imagination, like he could have done such a good job. Yeah,
the smells, the taste, Yes, even the knobby tires on the wet
pavement. We have to, we have to. We're we're getting yelled at.
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we're back, Linda, And I know we went over on this one with
Um talking about the pancakes and the sighting, but you know, to me,
it's just you know again, that's this is the police officer talking when
and how people when they tell tell lies, when they exaggerate. You know,
it's always typically people lie big, They never lie little. They always
feel like they have to embellish it to make it more believable. This guy
is if he's lying, he did the complete opposite of what you would expect
him to do, and that to me lends some credibility to his story.
Now, does it mean he saw it? Maybe he did hallucinate it.
Maybe he really believes he saw it, Maybe he suffered from mental illness.
Who knows. But to me, the him saying what he saw to mean
I believe that's what he thinks he saw it. Yeah, he believed.
He believes what he said. I think because if you there's there's a number
of interviews, you know, contemporary or very close to the event videos,
you can actually he was filmed. Listen to him in you know, in
his own words and his mannerisms and everything, and judge, judge for yourself.
It is clearly one of the top bizarre things. But like you said,
none of it is so bizarre as to you know, obviously the craft
hovering and taking off his technology we don't have, but everything else is not
beyond the realm of you know, possibility. You know, it's a flameless
grill. Yeah, I have one of those. I plug it in.
You know, we need a jug of water because Italian number two for God
to bring the water. Um, it's again, I wouldn't I wouldn't put
money on this case, but I cannot dismiss it right outright either. And
if um, you know, if you extrapolate some of his the ideas,
if say they are extraterrestrials and their physiology allows them to digest many of the
same things we can eat, it would make sense. If you're here,
if you're going to have to survive instead of bringing all of your food,
if you can eat the stuff we grow, why wouldn't you take advantage of
that? Right, I'm sure if we could go to another planet and it
had food that we can consume, that would be a great thing because it
would mean we would not have to bring as much stuff to survive or start
over with. So it's to me if if they have a similar physiology or
digestive system, and that would make sense. And maybe they just don't have
great taste buds and they're like, you know, I'm still amazed that they
have this pancake on display. Yeah, I'm just I know, Well,
you can easily look up, you know, pictures and there's plenty of pictures
of Joe holding one of them. But yeah, that's it. You would
you take a bite of that pancake? Uh? No, Okay, would
you if you dared? I probably would have to. Yeah, especially a
seventy year old one. Well, I've heard that there's been Civil War era
heart attack that people have eaten hundred years later, and yeah, which is
very Yeah, it was barely edible when it was first made, so I
don't know that. Yeah, I'll stick. I'll stick with the food that
of known origin and made within the last decade. It's probably a probably a
good move. So we will keep an eye on the progress, if we
want to call it that of the US government. Yes, very interesting.
Well, we'll try to keep people updated if if interesting things pop up with
that. I'd love to hear people's reaction to tonight's episode, and I do
want to thank everyone again. I just get wonderful letters from people all over
and you know, messages from people around the world, and appreciate every one
of you tuning in to listen. Yeah, we definitely do appreciate that,
and wherever you are, and we'd love to hear your thoughts, your comments.
What do you think about not just the government, but the UFO encounter,
the pancakes and all of it. What do people really what's their take
on this? I'm curious to see how other people look at this through their
eyes, right all right, so I think that's a rap. So would
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