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Hudson River Radio dot com. This
is Travis Walton and you are listening to

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UFO Headquarters, Beautiful Headquarters. Greetings, Earthlings, believers, skeptics, and

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everybody in between to and welcome to
another fascinating episode of UFO Headquarters. I'm

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Michael Warden and of course with Linda
Zimmerman, the Linda Zimmerman. Linda,

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how are you tonight? Very good? How are you, my fellow earthling?

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Not too bad? I'm in an
earthy kind of mood tonight good good.

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Well, we kind of have a
split program this evening, split content.

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You will be going first with So
we're gonna talk a little bit about

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a recent government and update with UFO
investigations. Okay, to be interesting.

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What are you going to be talking
about? Um? The title of my

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segment is alien, pancakes and Italians, which will all be explained, um,

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for better or for worse. But
let's dive into the more recent first.

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You know, you know, everybody's
sitting the fast forward button on the

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podcast right now. I find out
about the pancakes. I can't blame them,

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I'm going to but I felt it
was important to really to talk about

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this topic because when we're recording it. It's you know, February of twenty

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twenty three. People may be listening
to this at you know, much later

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dates. But you know, the
government. You know, typically bills are

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passed by the government, and you
know they have these huge, huge,

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multi page bills that are full of
pork. You know, they slide these

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different appropriates in. You know,
someone will get five million dollars to study

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flatuants in the earthworm or something.
But something was added into them. I'm

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going to tell you specifically what.
It's called the Natural Defense Authorization Act for

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fiscal year twenty twenty three. It's
an eight hundred and fifty eight billion dollar

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appropriation. That's how much money we're
talking about. So amongst all of this

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lengthy stuff is something very interesting that
was added by a representative from Wisconsin,

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and it is basically, it's a
mandate to create office to investigate unidentified aerial

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phenomena. And that's very interesting and
it's going to be as part of the

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Department of Defense. So, you
know, in the last couple of years,

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to govern has been teasing us with
a lot of this you know official

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you know, looking into things.
You know, some people always say,

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well, you know, are they
prepping us for the big reveal? Are

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they just sort of trying to to
placate us, you know, give us

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crumbs? Ah, yeah, we're
looking into it. Here, here's a

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couple of crumbs. Don't look at
the pie over here. Just eat these

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crumbs, you know. I think
it's there's so much reaction now it's gone

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from being the fringe to it's mainstream. They can't fight the tide. Yeah,

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you can't put the genie back in
the bottle. Yes. And now

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this is what I want to I'm
gonna read a little bit from the actual

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Act because I think it's important.
So it's basically gonna create this office,

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and their mandate is to investigate and
receive reports of any event relating to unidentified

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aerial phenomena and any government or government
contractor activity or program related to unidentified aerial

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phenomena. Wow, that opens a
big door, doesn't it? Government contracting?

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It's extremely, extremely I think,
and under this act, and if

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people want to look it up,
you can. You can find it online

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at section sixteen sixty three of that
Act. That's how big we're talking because

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it goes into a lot of detail
on how they're supposed to share information with

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different agencies confidentiality. It's mandated to
be staffed by people that can obtain the

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appropriate security clearances. So this isn't
going to be a bunch of people off

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the street getting higher. This is
going to be people with security clearance.

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Yeah, so don't send in your
resume. No, definitely not. And

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what they're supposed to do is part
of the things they're still submit to the

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Congressional Intelligence Committee, the Congressional Defense
Committees, and congressional leadership of report detailing

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the system for reporting. So they
have to come up with a system for

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people to make reports. So it's
not just to investigate other activity that has

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happened, we'll talk about that,
but to create a way for people to

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feed reports to that new agency.
I guess it's maybe it's a Project Bluebook

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two point zero, but hopefully hopefully
with a more objective goal in mind and

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not just say everything is venus or
swamp gas. And also to make available

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to the public on a website information
about such a systems and clear public guidance

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for accessing and using a system,
and providing feedback about using the system and

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the timeline to process a report.
So it's sounds like they're really trying to

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create some transparency, because of course
it's always to accusation with the government is

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they're not transparent. It also creates
some protections, and I thought this was

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an interesting part of the bill.
There's a section prohibition on reprisals. Wow,

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that's huge, and it mentions an
employee of a federal agency and an

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employee of a contractor for the federal
government is basically they cannot be threatened with

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their job for making a report.
That was an interesting section that they put

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in there. And they also put
another clause is that they have the right

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to a private action, means they
can sue them if that does happen.

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So they created a mechanism for addressing
a grievance on that. So they are

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going to conduct this assessment and they
have to report to Congress, so there's

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going to be some accountability. Now, what are they going to tell us?

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Who knows? Well, that's just
it. But the fact that they're

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openly saying they're going to do this, there will not be any reprisals,

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that's all. That's all huge And
they're bit by bit catching up with the

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civilian side of things. Now,
how much money are we talking here?

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So I couldn't find the specific dollar
amount because it's if you read it too

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long, it'll cure insomnia. But
I wanted to talk about real quick.

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They their definition of a UAP unidentified
aerial phenomena, So they have a very

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specific term and a definition that they
use in this bill and also in the

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previous bill from twenty twenty two,
which investigated some of the UFO aspects,

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and they basically term it as and
I'm going to read this to you their

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words. The term unidentified aerial phenomena
means a airborne objects that are not immediately

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identifiable, B trans medium objects or
devices, and C submerged objects or devices

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that are not immediately identifiable and that
display behavior or performance characteristics suggesting that the

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objects or devices may be related to
the previous air b I found that interested.

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And for people that don't know what
the definition of the trans medium,

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it means objects or devices that transition
between space and the atmosphere, or between

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the atmosphere and bodies of water that
are not immediately identifiable. Yeah, they

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had that one video of the object
skimming along above the water, and then

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oh, it's in the water.
It's in the you know, they're they're

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stunned. It's in the water.
So oh yeah, I'm glad they expanded

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that to just not aerial things because
obviously USOS have been a very big part

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of the field for generations. So
they're catching up bit by bit they are,

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and interesting to me is and I
think I had heard of this case.

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I don't know what, didn't know
much of the details, but it's

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pushing the timeline for investigating back to
nineteen forty five. You know, typically

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people have looked at the Roswell New
Mexico incident in forty seven as the sort

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of the beginning of this modern UFO
era. Everybody talks about Roswell, and

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I think it's interesting because the New
York Times covered this and said, you

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know, a top secret US military
balloon crashed in nineteen forty seven, So

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that's that's apparently where they started with
this. But I wanted to just talk

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about the nineteen forty five incident.
Is fascinating and you're familiar with this,

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right, I think that one in
Arizona. This one's in New Mexico,

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New Mexico. Was that, yes, Yeah, San Antonio, New Mexico,

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just to confuse everybody. Okay,
don't don't try to google San Antonio,

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Texas UFO. It will not take
you to the information. But it's

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called to San Antonio UFO crash.
And I'm just gonna give you some information

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or give our listeners. Let's go
back to August sixteenth, nineteen forty five,

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and this is thirty days after the
first atomic bomb has been tested at

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the Trinity Site, which of course
is a complete coincidence. Yeah, not

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right. And at the time of
this, people didn't know about the atomic

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bomb being tested in all this,
you know, they knew it afterwards because

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we dropped the bombs on. But
so two young boys, Jose Padilla and

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Remy Becca, they saw an oval
shaped craft that came in and they watched

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it as it came in and crashed. Now, according to them, they

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had been looking for a cow,
and they were a few miles away from

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the Trinity site, so they're relatively
close to where the original ground zero would

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have been. They described seeing an
avocado shaped craft measuring twenty five to thirty

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feet in diameter, and it crashed
into a brick tower which had an antenna

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on top of it, and fell
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The boys used binoculars to view and
they saw four beings with non human characteristics

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through a hole in the craft,
three of which appeared injured but were able

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to move in one was lying on
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The boys were hiding and apparently watched
them for almost two hours, so they

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had eyes on that, not a
ten second sighting. Yes. They described

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these beings as small, about three
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long arms with four fingers, elongated
eyes, no hair or ears, and

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they were wearing silver like uniforms that
were tight to their bodies. So is

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that like the description of the grays
the elongated eyes. I don't know.

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I'm trying to picture here. Two
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at the site, and apparently the
boys being curious boys, I'm sure I

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would have been the same way.
At the time. We're watching from a

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distance the military doing their cleanup,
and they waited for them to be done

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so that they could go and get
a souvenir from the crash site to see

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if anything was left behind. So
in August twentieth, the ship was loaded

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up and drove away and the boys
followed this. These guys, I would

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then give them some courage. Man, these guys, the kids are brave.

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They follow the military truck where they
hide the ship in a barn,

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and these boys sneak into the barn
a piece of metal from it that was

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attached to a panel. So they
take this piece off of the device or

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whatever crashed, and then they bring
it with him and they keep it a

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secret for seventy years. They never
talk about it. It has been now

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accordingly that piece of metal has been
tested. And let me just this is

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very interesting. Let's see, apparently
they picked up something from the site itself

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and an analysis was conducted at the
request of moufon so out of the executive

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director out of California, and the
conclusion two different metal samples were identically composed.

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They were a primary aluminum they or
primary aluminum alloy with copper and silicone.

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Small amounts of other elements were present, and on Earth we would use

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this for like engine crankshafts, gas
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frames, et cetera. The isotopic
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were comparable to terrestrial or Earth values. However, they can't reel them out.

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They can't rule out that they didn't
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they didn't come from an terrestrial source. And one of the theories being,

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well, what if the aliens were
time travelers, of course the composition

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will be the same, because if
they're from Earth, they're coming back to

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Earth. I think that's a jump. Another one was the aliens may have

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bases on Earth and construct their craft
from metals on Earth. So you know,

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the physical processes involved in formation of
the elements and other worlds and solar

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systems were the same as ours.
So whatever however, our Earth formed and

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the conditions were very similar to how
their planet, so the compositions are the

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same. Or number four, the
metals could be from an actual military craft

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craft made here. So very interesting, not conclusive to say yes it's alien.

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Maybe the boys did grab something off
of a crankshaft and were running into

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the barn in the middle of the
night, stealing picture. You know,

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I don't know if I'd been that
brave as a little kid, probably not.

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I I don't think I would have
right now. I'd throw on my

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gilly suit and crawl a mile to
get in there. But yo. Absolutely,

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I even parachute in it. I'm
scared of heights. But it's interesting

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that they're they're going to look at
it again because initially, um that press

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conference, they were only going to
go back what I don't know, ten

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years or something like that, and
everybody got hopping mad. You know,

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how about the other seventy years of
sightings in And they're like, well,

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we need radar data, we need
that. What you need are the best

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cases possible from whatever year they are
with the most witnesses, The most credible

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evidence is not just radar hits.
So I'm glad they're expanding. Somebody must

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have gotten in their ear and said, if you're going to do this right,

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um, let's look at the whole
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tiny slice. And it's very fascinating
that they chose this incident as kind of

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like the starting point, right.
You know, they could have stuck with

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Roswell that okay, well we started
with forty seven. Yeah, we explained

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that one. But they're going back, you know, even a couple more

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years before that extending and I wonder
how much further back it will go.

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And I wonder what records they have
on this right right, so starting point,

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it'll be interesting to see where it
develops. Yeah, so let's yeah,

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let's keep an eye on Yeah,
we actually what are we going?

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Right? Right? So should we
take a break before pancakes? I think

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so? Okay? Will there be
syrup with these pancakes? All right,

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Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back, Linda. Um,

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I don't see any men in black
circling the house yet, so I

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think I'm safe. If I disappear, it's either my wife killed me or

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the men in black. So all
right, I'll be on it. Don't

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worry, worry, we will do
our due diligence to find your body at

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the Let's get to it. Let's
get to what the people really want to

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hear about. No, I think
that is very important to these These are

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huge moves on the fact, you
know, on the part of a government

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who has been ridiculing, belittling,
and ignoring the field publicly, at least

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for so long. It is so
yeah, so let's shift gears just a

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little bit. Um. I have
known about this case for many years,

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and um it's it's so bizarre.
It's I'm well, you know me,

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I gravitate to the bizarre, obviously, but when something so bizarre and the

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person is so credible, you just
you just stand and wonder, like what

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is going on here? So we
will let the listeners decide on this segment

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Alien Pancakes and Italians, which um, I couldn't have made up a better

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title. Uh, we are going
to Eagle River, Wisconsin, which is

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apparently a very beautiful area. Have
not been there, and it is Tuesday,

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April eighteenth, nineteen sixty one.
Joe Simonton. He is of simultaneously

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described as a chicken farmer, a
plumber, and an auctioneer. So I

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guess he does a little bit of
everything. Very well known in town,

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very respective respect respected. He's somewhere
in his sixties, probably mid to late

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sixties, and he's having it's about
a think around eleven amish. He was

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having a quick bite of lunch and
he was at the dishes. It took

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the dishes to the sink and out
the sink, out the window over the

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sink. He's hearing a loud jet
like sound, which he describes as quote

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like knobby tire on wet pavement,
which I thought was a great description.

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You can almost hear hear that.
And again quote now, I got a

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lot of this straight from the interviews
he gave. So this is right from

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the horse's mouth, so to speak. Something coming straight down, just like

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an elevator. And at first I
thought the roof came off of my house,

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but no, the roof is green
and this is bright, So what

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the heck is it? So I
raced to see what it was. He

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runs outside, he says, it
is a disc brighter than chrome, which

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is pretty bright. So about thirty
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And this is very curious. There
were six to seven inch diameter exhausts,

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exhaust pipes around the perimeter. I've
heard of some crap with a pipe or

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vent here or there, but these
were around the perimeter. A whole series

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of exhaust pipes, and by the
time he got outside, he said,

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quote, there was a hatchway opening
up on the side of it, just

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like the trunk of your car.
And there stood a little man, I

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say little man. It was about
five feet tall, and he later said

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about one hundred and twenty five pounds, holding up a jug or container,

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and he motioned he wanted to drink. He motioned for water. Okay,

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so we have we are both feet
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what did these apparent aliens look like? Well, you know nineteen sixty one

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where they graze, where they reptilians, where something hideous with all sorts of

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slithering limbs. No, he said, they looked like Italians. So they

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had dark hair, dark complexion,
dark eyes, and he kept saying,

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how I were quote so penetrating.
I had to look away. They were

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about twenty five to thirty years old. They were wearing dark blue or black

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nit uniforms, turtlenecks with helmet like
caps. And some skeptics say, well,

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he's obviously describing what Italian race car
drivers were wearing, and you know

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he was hallucinating. Well, I
don't know how you translate your interpretation of

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an Italian race car driver into somebody
in a yeah, in a disc Yeah.

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I mean you have to listen to
this guy. He's just so down

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to earth, straight shooting. So
we have these Italian looking whether they're aliens

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time trap, I don't know,
but they have this jug and they're thirsty.

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So Joe takes the jug into the
basement to fill it with the pump

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because apparently he doesn't have regular running
water. He has to pump water into

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this jug. And he said the
jug was silvery colored, two handled,

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heavier than aluminum and lighter than steel. So he's very very good at these

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descriptions, extremely descriptive the sky.
Yeah, I mean, if you were

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making it up, why just say
they handed me a silver jug? Yeah

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right. He said it was unlike
anything he had seen on earth. And

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to hand it back to the little
Italian looking alien or what a figure,

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he has to lean against the craft, which is important because other reports we've

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had of people touching a craft get
burned or it's a strange feeling. He

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didn't feel anything in particular. He
just leaned against it, leaned up to

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hand this jug back to the guy. And again he said he got that

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same penetrating look from this person and
just very very unnerving. So the man

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takes the jug from Joe, puts
it down, and then gives him a

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salute. Very unfortunately. You know, people can't see this, but I'll

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demonstrate for you, Mike. He
the man raises his hand, puts his

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fingertips against his forehead with the back
of his hand pointing out, and you

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know, Joe interprets us this as
a type of salute, and Joe,

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I guess, having been in the
military, just naturally gives him a military

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salute back. And some people,
I think we're probably criticizing why are you

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saluting? This possible? It's like
he saluted me. What am I going

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to do? You know? It
doesn't try to make up any big you

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know, excuse Hey, he saluted
me, I saluted him back. It's

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just if this guy is nuts,
he's really good at it. So what

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does this mean? They look human? Okay, completely human, just a

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little shorter. Joe is either lying, mentally ill or drugged hypnotize. You

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know, somebody did something which is
you know, chicken farmer in Wisconsin.

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Really, if it is true,
let's for argument's sake say this, Actually

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he saw what he saw is this
interstellar flight? Is it time travel?

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Is it something interdimensional? Whatever it
is took an enormous amount of technology and

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sophistication, and it I just loved
this because here they are on this incredible,

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sophisticated, high tech trip. Oh
crap, we forgot to bring the

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water, right, It's so relatable. Actually, it's so relatable. But

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you were supposed to bring the water, so I thought you packed it.

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I mean, what what again,
if you were making this up, is

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that something you would well, that's
that's again, you know, the little

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details. That's not something most people
would make up that they wanted water.

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You know, usually when people again
we've talked about this, when people lie

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and tell stories, they tend to
over tell them. It's always big right,

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asking them like for water, It's
not really something I think most people

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would find Why would you lie about
that? Nineteen? You know, there's

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no reason. Yeah, and a
very strange detail to add. And you

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know what I find interesting is so
many time we did a whole show on

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UFOs sucking up water from pools,
from lakes, and even if we go

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back to the mysterious airships late eighteen
hundreds, early nineteen hundreds many people reported

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the occupants of these airships were taking
well water. So all right, again,

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hey, I am not making a
judgment on this. I'm just reporting

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what he said, and you,
you all out there can determine. So

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it gets weirder. Joe notices that
another little Italian, there were three all

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together, I believe, off to
the side, appeared to be frying pancakes.

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All right, you're on a long
trip. You forgot to bring sandwich?

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Is I'm making fun? But again
he's just he and Joe points to

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the pancakes and does a gesture of
eating, and he said, I was

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hoping to get a conversation out of
him because no one was saying anything.

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He did say at one point,
even though the man was gesturing like he

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wanted to drink, he kind of
heard in his mind they wanted water.

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So there was some telepathic communication apparently
going on. He said. The man

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didn't say a word, grabbed a
handful of them, four of them,

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and handed them down to me.
They were hot and greasy, and he

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describes it was a square grill like
device, no flame, but obviously very

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hot, and it was generating smoke
because they're front I mean, I don't

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think you'd do this in an RV
generating all this smoke, and they're doing

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this on this aircraft. Don't shoot
the messenger. I'm just reporting what he

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said. And then I love this. He is again such a down to

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earth guy. He says, if
that was their food, God helped them,

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because I tasted one of them and
it tasted like a piece of cardboard.

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And if that's what they lived on, it's no wonder they're small,

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all right. A rather good assessment
there, he said. And with that

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he reached the man inside. He
reached up and closed the hatch with a

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heavy click like thud to latch it. And he describes when the hatch was

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closed it was completely seamless. You
could not tell where the door was,

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and that's something we have also heard
in the past. The craft then started

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to raise, went up to about
twenty feet, tilted at a forty five

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degree angle. Now we've heard that
a lot, yes, with disc shaped

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craft very common right tilt, then
took off straight south and shot off and

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it was gone in two to three
seconds. Now, unlike many craft that

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not even a leaf on a tree
will bend. This created a huge blast

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of air that shook the tree tops
and the tree next to it completely bent

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over, and he was surprised it
didn't snap and it sprung back. So

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there was maybe all those exhaust pipes
he was seeing, so kind of a

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different type of propulsion. And he
finishes his little interview with so there I

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stood with a handful of greasy pancakes
and my mouth open, wondering what the

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heck I saw and what had happened, as we all would. So a

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couple of a couple of things I
want to add, he said, he

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looking into the saucer it was at. The interior was a dull black color

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with three, as he described them, extremely beautiful instrument panels, which seemed

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set in something like wrought iron.
What's it? Sounds very Italian though,

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doesn't it? It could be sounds
like very sixties though too um So.

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They had a very stylish interior and
stark contrast to the shiny, brighter than

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chrome exterior. This was dark,
he said. They appeared the three of

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them appeared to be chained or belted
to their workstations, which you know,

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pilots strap in, drivers strap in. And he said it never actually touched

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the ground. It was hovering very
close to the ground. But again something

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we hear a lot just a foot
or two above the ground. He noticed

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the cook. The pancake chef had
a narrow red trim on his pants,

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so the uniforms were not Is that
what a cook wears? Was he?

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The captain just happened to want a
cook? I don't know now the pancakes

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themselves. This is very interesting,
not true. Nothing I would discuss three

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inches long, flat, lots of
little holes like a crumpet. Have you

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ever had a real crumpet? Yes? I have had them, sinfully good,

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twipping in butter. They are the
best part of going to the United

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Kingdom. Yes, I could eat
them breakfast, lunch and dinner. Yes.

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And if anybody's going to England,
London and Fortnham and Mason. They've

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been in business since I looked this
up seventeen oh seven, so they know

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how to make a crumpet. They
know a thing or two about crumpeting.

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It was many years ago, but
one of my happiest experiences was tea at

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Fortnham and Mason, a scone covered
in strawberry jam and Devonshire cream. Oh,

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I'm starting to drool all over my
notes. Here. I think a

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UFO headquarters road trip is in order
here, Yes, yes, to make

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sure that these crumpets were like the
alien pen Yes. Anyway, I've digressed

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enough. The other thing he described
is that they smelled like they were cooked

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in goose grease. And I guess, as a farmer, he knows what

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goose grease. That's very disturbing.
Are they killing gas and rendering their fat

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to cook in? Did they?
I don't know. I'm just telling you

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they The pancakes were kind of rubbery
and elastic. He was brave enough to

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eat one. He gave the others
to the Villas County Judge Frank Carter,

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who was also a UFO enthusiast.
So Carter did the right thing. He

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sent these pancakes to Nightcap. But
Nightcap apparently thought of this as ridiculous.

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We're not wasting our time. They
declined to even test them. I guess

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I can. You know it's a
tough pill to swallow Italians with a jug

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of water and making pancakes. So
Joe, of course, was hounded by

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reporters and mercilessly ridiculed. He said
he was damn sick and tired of all

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of this and never should have ported
it. Lost three weeks of work,

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which he couldn't afford to do,
you know, with he didn't profit by

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this. For some reason, the
Air Force kind of took this seriously enough

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to send Jlan high at Heineck,
and Heineck took one of the pancakes and

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the Air Force paid to have it
analyzed. And they were just basically flour,

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little bit of sugar and grease,
and the flour in particular buckwheat,

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some soybean, some wheat brand,
and hydrogenated oil. Okay, the FDA

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put out a report. You can
look this up. There is supposedly so

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all very terrestrial ingredients. You know, did they take them from a farm?

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Are they as you said before,
time travelers? So of course they're

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terrestrial? Who knows. But supposedly
a Minneapolis grain lab tested them and they

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were Yes, it was buckwheat,
but of a strain they couldn't identify,

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and you'd think a grain lab would
be able to identify. So so everybody,

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even the Air Force personnel, said
that Joe was highly regarded, sincere,

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much respected. He appeared to be
absolutely honest. Nothing to gain on

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the contrary, you know, he
lost work. He people made fun of

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him, and who needs that.
So since they couldn't discredit Joe, the

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Air Force, you know, had
to excuse this as something. So one

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of their psychiatrists, and this is
a quote. I would love to hear

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some feedback from those listeners in rural
areas because the psychiatrist wrote, experience of

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this type hallucinations followed by delusions are
not at all uncommon, and especially in

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rural communities. What how do they
come up with that that people in rural

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communities are It's not uncommon for them
to have hallucinations followed by delusions. Nothing

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to see here, it's obviously.
I'm sure there was a wealth of scientific

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literature to support that conclusion. Oh
yes, yes, and in fact,

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the blue Book conclusion was a hallucination. But a couple of other quick things.

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Joe also played Santa Claus every year
for the town's Christmas event, So

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just throwing that out there. And
he had said, you know, he

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was never going if he ever saw
anything again, he wouldn't tell anybody.

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But actually, in nineteen seventy nine
years later, an investigator came to see

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him, and I don't believe he
would elaborate, but he said he had

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other visits, so not surprising.
And then the kicker is one of these

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pancakes is in It is exhibited at
the fabulous Air Force Museum at Wright Patterson

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Air Force Base. Have you been
to that museum? No, Oh my

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god, I have been there twice. We will add this to our travels.

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It is a magnificent museum. And
they have this one little hole upstairs

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off to the side with supposedly UFO
things, but it's all identified debris.

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But they have the pancake. So
I have seen the alien pancakes looks like

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you know, a flash. It's
still intact after all these years. It's

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stylan and I don't I don't know
that Italian uh aliens use additives, but

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whatever it was, it's it is
still there for all to see. So,

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you know, first blush, you
say, oh, don't waste my

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time with this, But when you
look at who he was, that he

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had nothing to gain, and just
the sincerity and the way he just hey,

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this is what I saw. I
don't care if you believe me or

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not. And he never changed.
He never elaborated, he never went into

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you know, bizarre description. You
know, it was all basic stuff.

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Shiny craft. The guy wanted water. Somebody's cooking something and it took off.

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I don't know. And his descriptions, what strikes me is that he's

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he's relating what he's seeing or what
he's like. The goose fat being rendered.

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You know, maybe that wasn't necessarily
goose fat, but the odor was

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the closest thing. So, you
know, people tend to use their experiences

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to explain things that they just can't, so you know, to him,

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they the closest thing you can think
of was they looked like Italians, right

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right. You know that's just to
me a very sincere, an honest way

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of talking about it. It's not
something that if he's going to make this

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up, you know, all these
are little green men with with antennas,

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you know, like he's not gonna
go with I don't know, they were

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like they're like Italians, Like if
you know, if his goal was to

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can pull a hoax and get this
attention, I don't know why at that

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time he would want to get attention. People were mocked for this. They

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weren't like celebrated. I don't I
just don't see him keeping it so mundane

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and natural. Most people couldn't do
that. If he could, if he

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made this up, he could have
been an excellent screenwriter. His descriptions,

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his imagination, like he could have
done such a good job. Yeah,

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the smells, the taste, Yes, even the knobby tires on the wet

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pavement. We have to, we
have to. We're we're getting yelled at.

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We need to take a quick break. Okay, we will take a

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we're back, Linda, And I
know we went over on this one with

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Um talking about the pancakes and the
sighting, but you know, to me,

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it's just you know again, that's
this is the police officer talking when

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and how people when they tell tell
lies, when they exaggerate. You know,

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it's always typically people lie big,
They never lie little. They always

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feel like they have to embellish it
to make it more believable. This guy

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is if he's lying, he did
the complete opposite of what you would expect

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him to do, and that to
me lends some credibility to his story.

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Now, does it mean he saw
it? Maybe he did hallucinate it.

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Maybe he really believes he saw it, Maybe he suffered from mental illness.

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Who knows. But to me,
the him saying what he saw to mean

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I believe that's what he thinks he
saw it. Yeah, he believed.

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He believes what he said. I
think because if you there's there's a number

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of interviews, you know, contemporary
or very close to the event videos,

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you can actually he was filmed.
Listen to him in you know, in

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his own words and his mannerisms and
everything, and judge, judge for yourself.

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It is clearly one of the top
bizarre things. But like you said,

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none of it is so bizarre as
to you know, obviously the craft

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hovering and taking off his technology we
don't have, but everything else is not

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beyond the realm of you know,
possibility. You know, it's a flameless

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grill. Yeah, I have one
of those. I plug it in.

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You know, we need a jug
of water because Italian number two for God

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to bring the water. Um,
it's again, I wouldn't I wouldn't put

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money on this case, but I
cannot dismiss it right outright either. And

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if um, you know, if
you extrapolate some of his the ideas,

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if say they are extraterrestrials and their
physiology allows them to digest many of the

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same things we can eat, it
would make sense. If you're here,

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if you're going to have to survive
instead of bringing all of your food,

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if you can eat the stuff we
grow, why wouldn't you take advantage of

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that? Right, I'm sure if
we could go to another planet and it

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had food that we can consume,
that would be a great thing because it

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would mean we would not have to
bring as much stuff to survive or start

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over with. So it's to me
if if they have a similar physiology or

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digestive system, and that would make
sense. And maybe they just don't have

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great taste buds and they're like,
you know, I'm still amazed that they

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have this pancake on display. Yeah, I'm just I know, Well,

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you can easily look up, you
know, pictures and there's plenty of pictures

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of Joe holding one of them.
But yeah, that's it. You would

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you take a bite of that pancake? Uh? No, Okay, would

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you if you dared? I probably
would have to. Yeah, especially a

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seventy year old one. Well,
I've heard that there's been Civil War era

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heart attack that people have eaten hundred
years later, and yeah, which is

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very Yeah, it was barely edible
when it was first made, so I

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don't know that. Yeah, I'll
stick. I'll stick with the food that

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of known origin and made within the
last decade. It's probably a probably a

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good move. So we will keep
an eye on the progress, if we

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want to call it that of the
US government. Yes, very interesting.

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Well, we'll try to keep people
updated if if interesting things pop up with

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that. I'd love to hear people's
reaction to tonight's episode, and I do

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want to thank everyone again. I
just get wonderful letters from people all over

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and you know, messages from people
around the world, and appreciate every one

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of you tuning in to listen.
Yeah, we definitely do appreciate that,

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and wherever you are, and we'd
love to hear your thoughts, your comments.

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What do you think about not just
the government, but the UFO encounter,

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the pancakes and all of it.
What do people really what's their take

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on this? I'm curious to see
how other people look at this through their

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eyes, right all right, so
I think that's a rap. So would

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you like to bring us out in
your own inimitable style? I will so

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thank you for joining us on UFO
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