WEBVTT 1 00:00:39.560 --> 00:00:46.600 You heard the story. Now you're those who were involved in vehicle in life, 2 00:00:48.759 --> 00:00:59.920 join us as we built behind the Door. Good evening, roomies, 3 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:03.799 and welcome back to a special bonus edition of Behind the Door with the Gray 4 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:07.120 Rooms Podcast. I'm your host and live from my bedroom, Arthur Ruck. 5 00:01:07.560 --> 00:01:11.640 The tables have turned for one special night. I've put down the pen and 6 00:01:11.680 --> 00:01:17.239 picked up the mic with me tonight. It's my dear friend and Thunderbuddy Brooks 7 00:01:17.319 --> 00:01:21.519 Bigley, the host of the interview show on the Gray Rooms Podcast. You 8 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:26.840 may have heard of it. It's entitled We Hide the Door. How are 9 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:33.519 you this evening, Brokes? It's weird to be on this other side of 10 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:37.159 the door, but I'm doing fucking fantastic. Thank you. How are you, 11 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:41.599 Arthur? Oh, you know, just hanging out, getting rained on 12 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:46.840 enjoying the wonders that is the inside of my domicile today. Yeah, hanging 13 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:49.359 out in your bedroom during a thunderstorm sounds like what we all did as kids. 14 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:53.159 Well, you know, I had to recreate some of that first season 15 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:57.799 magic. It's nice and sunny over here. It's like eighty five, so 16 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:02.959 I'm drinking a cold beer to calm my spirits here. Well, of course, 17 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:06.760 it's always sunny in California. Why do you think I didn't ask you 18 00:02:06.799 --> 00:02:10.520 about the weather. It's always sunny, it's always warm, it's always yeah 19 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:15.319 California. Yeah, yeah, it's absolutely terrible, isn't it. And people 20 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:17.759 hate California. Nobody wants to live here. It's ridiculous. It's not like 21 00:02:17.800 --> 00:02:21.520 we have like fourteen million people here. Oh, it's one of the most 22 00:02:21.560 --> 00:02:23.960 beautiful places I've ever visited. I don't think I could ever live there though. 23 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:28.319 It's all right. Actually that's a very common thing that many people say 24 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:31.199 they love to visit, but they really wouldn't have The taxes are pretty ridiculous 25 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:35.719 out here. We have a massive infrastructure, so I gotta pay for it. 26 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:38.599 Also. Now, I used to drive semis and every time I'd go 27 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:44.400 into California, I'd always gets stopped and harassed by the California police. What's 28 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:47.919 in your truck? What's in your truck? Open up your truck? Is 29 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:51.560 that where you because some of your oh that's why you did. You got 30 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:55.840 some of your ideas for was it the ride or something? I swear you 31 00:02:55.879 --> 00:03:01.080 had told us before and behind the door about your truck wriving experiences. Influencing 32 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:05.400 something in one of your writings. That's cool and all, but this isn't 33 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:08.439 about me. It's about you, Brooks. Man. I'm going into question 34 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:13.240 mode already, my bad. Let me go into answer mode now. Nope, 35 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:15.800 nope, nope. I got you, Brooks, I got you. 36 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:21.960 So I do have some burning questions that I feel that everyone would benefit from. 37 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:27.960 So I need you to prepare your brain as we dive deep inside Brooks. 38 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:32.400 Brooks Brooks head, head head, it's so echoly in here. What 39 00:03:32.439 --> 00:03:37.479 are you trying to imply? I don't know that you got a lot of 40 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:39.520 space to work with. You got a big burke, I don't know, 41 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:46.120 ask away, my friend. Absolutely. So, as you know, the 42 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:51.439 Gray Rooms podcast just hit an amazing milestone. We hit our two million downloads 43 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:57.919 mark. So congrats to everybody, and I just wanted to know your thoughts 44 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:01.120 on reaching the two million downloads mark. I mean it shows how much we're 45 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:04.719 loved as a as a podcast, that we're doing something correct, that we're 46 00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:10.800 making a product that has been downloaded two million times. I mean, that's 47 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:14.039 definitely a feat. I know that. You know, I've had a couple 48 00:04:14.039 --> 00:04:17.040 of family members maybe make up about a couple hundred thousand of that at least. 49 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:24.000 But I know you've definitely download a couple of year episodes at least three 50 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:26.800 or four hundred thousand times. So that's why we've made it as far as 51 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:30.120 we have today. But you know, I just set up my Spotify playlist 52 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:33.800 when I go to sleep, just to repeat over and over again. Hey, 53 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:36.720 it's not a play it's not a play account. It's definitely a download 54 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:42.720 account. But but but yeah, seriously, it shows that we've made something 55 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:46.759 that really hits in the podcast community. You know, we see it all 56 00:04:46.759 --> 00:04:49.199 the time with all of our fans on discord and in social media, just 57 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:54.120 how much this podcast does mean to them, how much meaning you know, 58 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:57.639 they get out of it, you know, and our interactions with authors show 59 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:01.519 how it important it is even as an outlet for people to write. So 60 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:04.800 I mean, for us to hit two million, thank you, I'm not 61 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:09.639 surprised. And I don't mean that in some kind of like pompous way, 62 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:13.240 but I'm not surprised. We have a good thing going here. Oh yeah, 63 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:17.000 absolutely, And you could just you could just see that all the pieces 64 00:05:17.040 --> 00:05:23.959 are clicking every day. We always got everything right where it needs to be. 65 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:27.920 And that's what I really love about it because it really translates across and 66 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:34.240 I mean it's amazing. I'm together like Vultron absolutely absolutely. So we've recently 67 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:41.399 had Gray Con also down in Nashville. We all got together to connect and 68 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:46.480 meet space. I want to know, have your opinions about us as staff 69 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:51.279 changed or has it like solidified what you think about us after getting to see 70 00:05:51.319 --> 00:05:56.199 us in person. Well, it's changed and solidified. It's made me feel 71 00:05:56.399 --> 00:06:00.319 more like we're all family because we did get to meet, you know, 72 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:03.000 in meat space, and it was like it was interesting, like with you 73 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:09.040 to sit you know and hammer out our season five, you know, figuring 74 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:13.800 out what stories we needed in all of that and be able to like see 75 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:17.879 all of the facial expressions and the body expressions that you don't get if you're 76 00:06:17.879 --> 00:06:23.600 just doing like a meeting you know through zoom or something. There's just ways 77 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:29.160 that you can interact fully in real time that you cannot replicate over the phone 78 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:33.279 or over over you know, an internet connection. So I felt so comfortable 79 00:06:33.399 --> 00:06:39.360 in that physical space with the whole team that we were just old college buddies 80 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:42.199 that hadn't seen each other in a while, and we were getting together again 81 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:46.439 to take care of something. So it definitely solidified to me, like, 82 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:50.519 yeah, we really do work well together. There was not to me in 83 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:57.240 my own feeling. There was no weirdness or uncomfortableness, you know, about 84 00:06:57.279 --> 00:07:00.680 anything. It was very intuitive. I felt how we sat together in real 85 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:04.680 space and dealt with everything together. Oh yeah, I got to introduce you 86 00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:12.120 to the Kroger, our local Midwestern grocery stores. I mean they're all the 87 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:15.160 same, right, I mean a grocery store as a grocery store. I 88 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:18.279 couldn't remember a single thing in Nashville that I was like, oh, this 89 00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:24.720 is totally different than where I'm from, other than maybe just the liveliness of 90 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:27.879 all. Man, there's a ship ton of bars in Nashville. Like every 91 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:30.720 other building was like a bar. That's what threw me a little bit when 92 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:34.600 we were walking around downtown. Well, you know, it is the Midwest 93 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:40.639 Brooks. We don't have anything pretty to look at, so we drink that 94 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:46.000 makes everything pretty absolutely. Oh yeah, so you've been burning the midnight oil, 95 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:50.399 doing all this behind the scenes stuff and so much other things. Is 96 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:57.759 there any particular moment from this current season that sticks out as a favorite moment? 97 00:07:57.800 --> 00:08:00.879 For you. Hell yeah, that's when you joined the team. I 98 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:03.920 mean, you know, honestly, not to blow smoke up your ass, 99 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:07.560 but like Zenki was amazing and what he was writing, and he created this 100 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:11.800 massive, giant world for us, you know, and then due to time 101 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:16.000 constraints and other obligations, he couldn't work as well with us anymore, and 102 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:18.879 so he needed to, you know, take a step back from it all 103 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:22.759 and that feeling of like, oh shit, what are we gonna do here? 104 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:26.360 Like we're losing like our captain, our co captain of this this boat, 105 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:30.160 this ship. What's going to happen now? Like I knew for a 106 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:33.720 while that we kept talking before you joined the team, like oh, you 107 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:37.080 know, what about Arthur though, Like what about what about bringing him on? 108 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:39.519 We think you know, he writes this way and he's so interactive. 109 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:43.120 He knows everything about the characters and the show. He like is already like 110 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:48.279 a writer without being a writer. He knows too much. Like interacting with 111 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:50.960 you for the short couple of weeks before you were actually told that you were 112 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:54.440 brought on, it was hard for me to keep tight lipped because I was 113 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:58.320 so excited, you know, to know that you were about to become a 114 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:03.399 part of the team. I've always definitely enjoyed your company and your spirit, 115 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:07.240 and so knowing that was like a very exciting moment for me. Like I 116 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:11.519 absolutely felt that, like, even if Zinkie stayed on, there was some 117 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:16.679 way that we needed to bring you into the fold anyways, because you would 118 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:22.600 just bring such a bigger, larger body of talents, you know, to 119 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:28.320 this entire podcast, to the story, to the main characters. So that 120 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:35.080 was my favorite moment. Well, I appreciate that. I did notice when 121 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:37.879 we were down in Nashville, which was, by the way, my favorite 122 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:43.120 moment of the season, getting to meet everybody, so many big personalities under 123 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:48.240 one roof. I gotta admit I was a little scared to meet you guys, 124 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:52.919 not because I was afraid of like what I might say or do, 125 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:58.799 but I was just scared of all of our personalities all being under one roof. 126 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:03.480 And I was surprised how we all just we just gelled. It's like 127 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:05.519 we just clicked, like we knew each other forever. Yeah, that's what 128 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:11.159 I mean about that feeling of it being very intuitive that nobody was like, 129 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:13.399 well, whoa, whoa, Arthur settled down with your ideas over there. 130 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:16.720 That's not how we do it here at the Gray Rooms, Like there was 131 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:20.840 no single possession of the podcast, you know, and this is all Jason's 132 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:26.519 dream or slash nightmare that has turned into this podcast. This is you know, 133 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:31.720 by default, this is his podcast. And even Jason isn't like shares 134 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:33.639 in that, and he's like, what do you have to say about this? 135 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:39.240 He trusts us as a family to uphold the greater mission of this podcast. 136 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:43.279 So yeah, even with our big, giant personalities, you know, 137 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:48.159 interacting with each other, it worked so normally and you fit in immediately. 138 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:52.639 In my opinion, you are also it seemed very comfortable, I thought, 139 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:54.879 and you're you know me, you were revealing otherwise, but I thought you 140 00:10:54.879 --> 00:11:00.279 were. You felt pretty comfortable sitting with us and adding you never like stopt 141 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:03.039 yourself or we're like, oh maybe I shouldn't say this or blah blah blah. 142 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:05.759 I felt like you were really good at commanding the presence that you needed 143 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:11.879 to get your new job done with the podcast. So absolutely, we're we're 144 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:16.720 a big family now. Oh yeah, one big happy family. So I 145 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:22.399 know that that was the from your favorite moment from the season, But do 146 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:26.120 you have a favorite story moment from the season, because I know you have 147 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:28.519 to go through all these stories before you have talked to the authors. You 148 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:33.399 read them, you really listen to them. Do you have a favorite story 149 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:39.879 moment? I think one thing that I've learned each Each time, I feel 150 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:43.120 like I've hit like, WHOA, this story is the best, the story 151 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:48.320 is my favorite, another story will will you come along? And I'll talk 152 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:50.399 to that author and then it's like, oh, wait, no, now 153 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:52.279 this is my favorite. So I think that I've learned, not that I'm 154 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:58.159 saying that they're all my favorite, but maybe I should stop saying that out 155 00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:01.440 loud because invariably I'm gonna hit upon my next favorite. You know, I 156 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:07.360 definitely love all of our stories, but to like to pin it down to 157 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:11.840 a single one, I don't know. I I think what I could say 158 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:16.120 is this is that in terms of my favorite interview, UM, I would 159 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:22.159 say that my favorite interview for me was interviewing Matthew Fowler, just because he 160 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:30.120 was an older gentleman that doesn't necessarily listen to podcasts and doesn't necessarily really partake 161 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:33.519 in today's you know, type of horror, and yet he was able to 162 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:39.000 craft a really interesting story that to me brought all this nostalgia back from like 163 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:43.960 the days of the original Twilight Zone episodes of just like classic horror, and 164 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:48.759 so talking with him I was I was very excited and happy to share in 165 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:56.519 this very intelligent and full of wisdom individual who you know, could talk to 166 00:12:56.559 --> 00:13:00.879 me about how he felt about horror and he had decade it's worth of things 167 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:03.879 to say about horror. So that would have been my favorite interview. Nice. 168 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:11.080 So would he also be your favorite or not your favorite, but your 169 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:18.720 guest that you'd want to have dinner and a conversation with? Oh? Absolutely, 170 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:22.600 yes, yes, yes, yes yes, because again he had just 171 00:13:22.759 --> 00:13:28.000 the style of how he would talk that I really much enjoyed and I myself 172 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:31.799 just can ramble on and on and on. So to meet someone who has 173 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:35.440 a lot to say as well, I feel like would be my match. 174 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:39.200 And so yeah, sitting down to dinner with him would have been a very 175 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:43.559 very interesting experience, especially because, like I said, the level of wisdom 176 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:48.159 that I felt that he had would just I feel like our conversation would just 177 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:52.919 continue to unfold because I would continue to find more questions to ask and you 178 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:56.360 know, more things to talk about Oh yeah, me and him of message 179 00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:00.600 a few times back and forth on discord, and he always I'm not saying 180 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:03.279 he throws me a curveball every once in a while. But I definitely have 181 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:07.320 to sit down and I'm like thinking about my response to him because I'm like, 182 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:11.919 Wow, there's just this could be going any number of ways. I'm 183 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:16.440 like, I love it. Yeah, he deserves a proper response to what 184 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:20.480 he's talking about. Yeah, he is a very high intelligence, high intelligence 185 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:24.399 to his conversation. Yeah, so Matt, if this ever reaches your ears, 186 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:31.000 we love you very much. So that kind of leads me into some 187 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:35.759 questions that I've always wondered about. I got a little taste of it beforehand, 188 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:39.559 but there's a lot of preparation that goes into behind the door. What 189 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:45.720 sort of is your process like either getting in your headspace or things that you 190 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:48.759 have to do before you sit down and you talk with I mean, it's 191 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:52.240 basically once a week, you're talking to a new author every week, So 192 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:56.559 how do you prepare for these interviews? So I really have to be dialed 193 00:14:56.639 --> 00:15:03.559 in to the story because I don't know what the author is going to say 194 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:07.320 to me about the story or what they might reference, and I for sure 195 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:09.639 want to be able to reference all of the things to ask them questions. 196 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:15.600 So usually right before, like the day of, and then a few hours 197 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:20.440 prior to the interview that I have with each author, I will listen to 198 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:24.000 the story twice just to keep it fresh, the audio of it in my 199 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:26.840 head, so I can reference things that Jason did or if they mentioned something 200 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:31.519 they liked about you hearing the story. And then I also will listen to 201 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:35.120 it as I'm reading the script, and then I will just read the script 202 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:41.279 by itself to the episode at least two or three times that day. So 203 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:43.919 like that, just every single It's like taking a test and preparing for your 204 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:48.519 test. So that almost like I'm the one taking the test and I don't 205 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:52.320 know what the author is going to say or ask or describe, but I 206 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:54.559 want to be able to say, oh, but then your character this, 207 00:15:54.759 --> 00:15:58.559 Oh, that's just like this other part of the story where this happened. 208 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:03.039 And I got to keep it all fresh in my brain to accomplish that. 209 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:07.039 So, like I said, listen to the story multiple times and read the 210 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:11.720 script several times the day of the interview is what I do. What would 211 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:17.039 you say? Is the biggest difference between when you're actually listening to the episode 212 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:21.840 and reading the script, because I know you've approached me and some other people 213 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:25.440 a couple of times, because sometimes the script don't match what comes out at 214 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:29.759 the end, right. Well, it's the same as watching like a movie 215 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:33.440 version. I think of a book when you're reading the book. So when 216 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:38.639 I'm reading the script, my brain will make what the character looks like for 217 00:16:38.679 --> 00:16:44.840 me, make what the voice might sound like, craft what the scene looks 218 00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:48.120 like in my head, and then when I hear the story, well, 219 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:52.759 this is now kind of Jason's interpretation of what the scene looks like. And 220 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:56.360 then it's the interpretation of the voice actor who plays the character, you know, 221 00:16:56.399 --> 00:17:00.840 who might be more jovial with the words, where in my head he 222 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:03.159 might have been more serious, you know, something like that. There's a 223 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:07.400 lot of different nuances. So the difference that I see is like reading the 224 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:11.880 script first hearing the story, or sometimes I've read the script so long ago, 225 00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:15.160 you know, and then the story comes along. I hear the story 226 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:18.400 first and go back to read the script. I guess it doesn't work exactly 227 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:21.640 the same, because then the script is just reminding me of what I heard 228 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:22.759 in the story, But for sure, when I read the script first, 229 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:29.160 it definitely always differs. And so that's fun because I get from the script 230 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:33.319 what I you know, interpret, and then hearing the audio kind of fills 231 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:37.440 in, you know, and then you know, changes and then ultimately solidifies 232 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:44.400 the entire story for me. Right And I know you've interviewed myself and Zinky 233 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:51.240 during this season. Is there a difference between like, when you read a 234 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:56.680 script from one of our Door authors versus something like me or Zinky pushed out 235 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:00.759 this season. Is there a difference between that? Oh, for sure. 236 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:04.559 I mean when you hear an author right their their story, you know, 237 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:11.799 their their door, it's always a wildly different voice from the prior author. 238 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:17.240 Every author is very unique and individualistic, and you get all kinds of different 239 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:21.519 shades in terms of how the story unfolds, how the characters are created, 240 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:26.039 how much detail versus pulled back looking, you know, objectively at the whole 241 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:30.599 thing the story is told. But when it's either reading the narrative script that 242 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:34.559 Zenkie writes or that you write, it's much more dialed in. It's it's 243 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:38.839 those same characters, those characters that we love that we come back for every 244 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:44.519 week, Like Bob is Bob always, and Bob will change as he grows 245 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:48.039 and learns new things. And that's based upon how you know, you and 246 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:52.200 Zenki m or you know, even in the first season, how Brian had 247 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:57.160 written Bob, but it's still Bob. And so you get a certain satisfaction 248 00:18:57.359 --> 00:19:03.759 from hearing the different ways that Bob has been written and how he's evolving. 249 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:11.000 But that's a separate I think, how would you say this, It's a 250 00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:18.839 separate enjoyment from the anthology style of each unique author telling their story. Well, 251 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:25.759 for me, it's anthology versus a serial A serialization. Oh my god, 252 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:32.039 I can't come words today. Serialization. It's like pronouncing the college name 253 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:36.400 of Loyola. I have to say it really slow. Loyola. Yeah, 254 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:41.240 I can't say that word real fast. But for me, it's the difference 255 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:48.880 between a what we call one off, like a standalone story, and something 256 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:52.559 that you know is going to continue forward. It's like, like you mentioned 257 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:56.839 with the familiar characters, you know these people are going to be coming back 258 00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:00.839 in some shape or form, well most of them in we'll get to that 259 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:06.279 a little bit later. Rip Todd, yeah, Rip Todd and a few 260 00:20:06.279 --> 00:20:12.759 others, but that that's really the difference in my mind is you can't really 261 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:17.079 when you hear a door story, it has a beginning in an end, 262 00:20:18.319 --> 00:20:22.200 and then when you hear the frame story, the narrative story that we got 263 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:26.279 pushing through, you're like, oh, well, what's going to happen next? 264 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:30.519 What's going to happen next? You know, there's this there's this expectation. 265 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:36.039 Yeah, you connect with the narrative characters like they're part of your family, 266 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:41.880 and you're invested in knowing that they're just going to continue going like whatever 267 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:45.880 their path is. Whereas with an anthology, like you said, there's a 268 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:49.319 beginning and there's an end, so you will invest in that, but you 269 00:20:49.480 --> 00:20:52.599 know that you're just invested for the short term. You're just invested to see 270 00:20:52.599 --> 00:20:56.920 what the conclusion is. Nobody is like, damn, I've been listening to 271 00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:59.480 Bob for four years to figure out what the hell is going to happen to 272 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:03.039 him at the end. Because you don't have a family member where you're just 273 00:21:03.079 --> 00:21:07.680 waiting for them to die, you know, you're just you're just every day 274 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:10.839 you're like, oh, yeah, that's my family member, and what are 275 00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:14.440 we doing today? What exciting stuff is ahead of us. When you listen 276 00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:18.119 to the anthology stories, yeah, you're more like, Okay, I'm invested 277 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:19.920 in this to the end to see how it concludes. Now, So, 278 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:26.200 from talking with four seasons of authors from all different walks of life, what 279 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:33.319 have you learned about the creative writing process? Like? What did you What's 280 00:21:33.400 --> 00:21:37.400 one of the more exciting things is like maybe you didn't realize or what's something 281 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:44.640 that you've learned about maybe just writing in general that is that you didn't know 282 00:21:44.720 --> 00:21:49.160 before. Ah. So, what I have seen and witnessed is that there 283 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:56.039 are some authors who they are good at just coming up with a plot, 284 00:21:56.079 --> 00:22:02.400 fleshing out the plot, making a really fun plot that translates well to audio, 285 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:06.000 like you know, it's a great horror story. There are other authors 286 00:22:06.039 --> 00:22:14.039 who dump their soul into these characters and they are dealing with something of their 287 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:17.359 own getting that story out, you know, and then it happens to be 288 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:21.799 a lot of our newer authors. I feel that there's something in their real 289 00:22:22.119 --> 00:22:26.759 day to day life that they're working through, and them writing the story that 290 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:32.720 we've turned into an audio drama has helped them kind of either overcome something or 291 00:22:32.759 --> 00:22:37.400 to see something new about themselves versus just the authors who are just kind of, 292 00:22:37.480 --> 00:22:38.920 oh, I'm just writing a blockbuster here, you know, I know 293 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:41.319 this is going to get turned into an audio drama, so boom, here 294 00:22:41.319 --> 00:22:45.039 you go. I wrote this, Here you go. This a new story. 295 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:51.160 So I've seen kind of the gamut of how different authors function, you 296 00:22:51.200 --> 00:22:53.319 know, And I don't yet know whether the authors who just know how to 297 00:22:53.359 --> 00:22:59.680 just write blockbuster after blockbuster came from that where their early stories were much more 298 00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:03.200 person And I for sure know that even if you've written a hundred stories, 299 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:06.960 when you write that one hundred and first story, you can still be personal 300 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:11.599 about it and put put you know, your own fuelings into it. So 301 00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:15.160 I don't mean to detract and say that, you know, established authors don't 302 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:19.640 do that anymore. But I definitely feel like our newer authors or the ones 303 00:23:19.640 --> 00:23:23.079 that haven't done too many things yet and are working, they're figuring out what 304 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:30.240 they are as an author. There's definitely a difference to their stories in terms 305 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:37.799 of just how they craft that ultimate theme that's running through their door basically nice. 306 00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:42.960 So what is it exactly that got you either excited or interested in podcasting 307 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:48.799 in general? Like, what what started this whole journey for you? Where 308 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:52.839 did it begin for Brooks big Lee? So I mean I briefly touched on 309 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:56.200 this, I think, either the last or the second to last behind the 310 00:23:56.240 --> 00:24:00.519 door. But when I was growing up, I listened to a man named 311 00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:04.519 Joe Frank and he was from the eighties and the nineties, and I don't 312 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:08.400 know if he was AM or FM. I think I heard his stuff on 313 00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:12.440 FM when I was a little kid at night. But he would basically write 314 00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:19.039 stories and then narrate them and then just have just very simple, snut spooky, 315 00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:23.839 but just very dark ambiance in the background. And his stories were just 316 00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:29.279 very fantastical. Like one story was just about a guy who would look out 317 00:24:29.319 --> 00:24:32.400 his window all the time at some woman that he saw on the window of 318 00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:34.799 the apartment building across the street, and then he was just forming in his 319 00:24:34.839 --> 00:24:38.400 mind what the story was behind this woman that he would see every day he 320 00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:44.960 would get glimpses of her through her window, and then ultimately wanting to meet 321 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:47.279 her and bring flowers to her, but he had to figure out what her 322 00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:49.519 apartment was, and then suddenly he wasn't seeing her in the window anymore, 323 00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:52.839 and so he was afraid that she must have moved. So he was creating 324 00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:56.359 this whole narrative of this person. And I just found stories like that to 325 00:24:56.400 --> 00:25:03.480 be fascinating because he had this Joe Frank had this very steady, deep voice 326 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:07.680 that he would narrate it as what he wouldn't you know, He wouldn't act 327 00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:11.279 differently for different characters. It was a very steady voice, and he would 328 00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:15.880 just set the mood, you know, with this ambie of this dark ambiance 329 00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:19.119 sound. And so I don't know, maybe it must have been early twenty 330 00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:22.680 tens when I was like, oh, podcasts, that's where they just talk 331 00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:27.039 about shit, right and someone Maybe it wasn't even a person. It might 332 00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:30.680 have just been because I've always loved horror, So I think, I mean, 333 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.720 for sure, No Sleep was one of the very first podcasts I listened 334 00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:37.000 to, and so it might have been like twenty twelve or thirteen. They 335 00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:41.519 were only a maybe a couple of seasons in like three or four, so 336 00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:45.400 they were new, and I was like, what is this these there there's 337 00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:51.240 music and they're acting, but it's scary. It's it's but it's not just 338 00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:55.960 silly monster horror. There's like it's speculative fictions. So it seems like shit 339 00:25:56.319 --> 00:25:59.640 that could happen to me. Starting to get yeah, I'm starting to get 340 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:04.720 Disney vibes from you. What's this? What's wait? That was? That 341 00:26:04.839 --> 00:26:08.480 was a nightmare before Christmas? Right right? Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah 342 00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:17.160 yeah, They're like, oh my god, what's this. I was very 343 00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:22.559 tantalized by this new medium of podcasting, and then I realized, wait a 344 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:25.400 minute, I can download this to my phone and I can listen to it 345 00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:27.440 in the car, on my commute. I can listen to it, you 346 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:30.200 know, in an earbud while I work. You know, it's very passive. 347 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:33.200 I can do it while doing other things, but still, you know, 348 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:37.440 mostly focus on it. And so it suddenly wasn't just that podcasting was 349 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:41.640 just a bunch of sports guys talking about sports, or a bunch of you 350 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:45.319 know, people talking about the news and their own version. You know. 351 00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:49.480 I realized what audio drama was, uh, And it was rekindling that love 352 00:26:49.519 --> 00:26:53.039 that I had for Joe Frank And also I listened to Abbott and Costello. 353 00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:56.960 Um Laurel and Hardy were more visual. I used to watch Laurel and Hardy 354 00:26:56.960 --> 00:27:00.400 stuff on TV, but I used to love listening to Abbott and Costello. 355 00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:03.400 My grandma introduced me to them, and she had a bunch of old tapes 356 00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:07.400 of Abbott and Costello, so that I wouldn't call that audio drama. But 357 00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:17.440 listening to people put together entertainment versus watching it has always been a part of 358 00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:21.480 my life and so once podcasting came along and I was ultimately exposed to it 359 00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:22.519 through Horror, I was like, Fuck, I'm all in, let's do 360 00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:26.920 this. Hell yeah, So what would you say is the biggest inspiration behind 361 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:32.200 the way you interview your guests? Now? Like what did you take from 362 00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:36.920 those podcasts and how do you incorporate it into the way you interview people from 363 00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:41.000 behind the door? I mean, I don't know if I don't know if 364 00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:47.920 I've ever like married the two because with me interviewing authors, you know, 365 00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:51.440 and I didn't just come into the gray rooms like I know how to interview 366 00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:52.599 authors, Give me a job, let me do this, Like this was 367 00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:57.319 an evolution of me just clowning around with the team so that we could just 368 00:27:57.400 --> 00:28:03.000 discuss the story that we made in season one, and ultimately it was season 369 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:07.519 three where it turned into just me being the solo host and just having just 370 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:11.920 the author on sometimes the actor. What I have learned from that process, 371 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:18.200 I think is is how it will. It's that authors have a story to 372 00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:22.039 tell. And I mean that in the way that like, every person has 373 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:26.039 a story to tell, but our authors have figured out how to put it 374 00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:30.160 down on paper per se what that story is, and I want to hear 375 00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:36.400 that story. But I don't just mean that. Let's just talk about your 376 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:40.279 horror story itself and then you know, hang up the phone, per se. 377 00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:44.039 It's like, well, why did you write this horror story? What 378 00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:48.880 happened to you that made you think to write this horror story? And so 379 00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:56.920 I've learned how there are so many other things that go into why a person 380 00:28:56.039 --> 00:29:00.319 writes a thing that they write, And I've think I've kind of learned how 381 00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:03.640 to maybe you know, pluck at those strings a little bit to kind of 382 00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:07.839 get more, you know, sound out of that m versus just like I 383 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.160 said, the very generic just like ha ha ha. That was funny how 384 00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:15.759 you made that sound effect, Jason. I love that music jam that we 385 00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:22.880 used to do UM in the first season. We were so happy, we 386 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:26.960 were so happy. We're like that, that's awesome. I'm doing right you 387 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:30.160 you um you were part of that season one too. There was an interview. 388 00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:33.920 I wasn't in that particular interview, but yeah, when you did Ice 389 00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:37.039 Station Bravo, you know, I remember just there was no no one knew 390 00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:41.400 what the hell they were doing interviewing you, and I think it wasn't David 391 00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:47.119 o'steele. Also, yeah, interview, it was me, Brian Black, 392 00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:52.000 David o'steele, and Michael Riggs was the host. That's right, that's right. 393 00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:56.599 Michael Riggs is an awesome, awesome person. And oh yeah, I 394 00:29:56.599 --> 00:29:59.880 think he did. He did the writer, Yeah, he did the Copperhart 395 00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:03.200 and a couple other things that are slipping my brain at the moment. But 396 00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:07.680 Michael Riggs was an awesome person. I remember that day and it was just 397 00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:11.799 like hanging out with your best friends, and it was you know, I'll 398 00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:15.559 be honest with you, I kind of wanted to impress people because I was 399 00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:18.720 like, this is my first interview ever, So I might have been a 400 00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:22.640 little bit extra. I don't know. It's a Michael Rigg by the way, 401 00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:26.440 there's no s Oh my god, he's gonna find me now and kill 402 00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:30.480 me. Yeah, Mike, you can forgive me, Please forgive me. 403 00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:37.559 I'm sorry. Duly noted. Yeah yeah, yeah, so yeah, so 404 00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:41.359 the concept back then, I'm just having six people chatting about the story. 405 00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:44.799 I mean it worked, I guess. I don't know. We got a 406 00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:48.200 lot of funny stuff on social media, like it's so boring to listen to 407 00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:53.079 behind the Door and all they do is self congratulate each other and pat each 408 00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:56.759 other on the back. You know, this is not fun. What I 409 00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:00.960 think the big thing was too, is, let's admit it, some authors 410 00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:04.799 are weirdos. So you always had another person there in case the author was 411 00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:11.039 just you know, too far above and beyond what was needed for the moment. 412 00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:14.480 So, well, what does that say about when I interview you though 413 00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:18.000 you're a weirdo, we don't have anyone as a contingency plan. Yeah, 414 00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:22.880 but I'm special that I'm I fall into that special group. I probably need 415 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:26.200 a helmet too. You're the best weirdo. I love you. It's okay, 416 00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:30.359 Yeah, I know we're thunderbuddies. I get it. There, you 417 00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:34.799 get So what do you What do you tell your friends and family about the 418 00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:37.359 work that you do for the Gray Rooms? Are you just like, oh, 419 00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:41.039 I'm the interview guy or you know, how do they what a synergy 420 00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:49.160 think about what you do. She definitely supports what I do. I commonly 421 00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:56.720 tell people that, you know, all I all I do is interview authors 422 00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:01.440 that write audio dramas for my podcast, and and I help them discuss why 423 00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:05.680 they wrote what they wrote, who they are as a writer, you know. 424 00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:07.720 I mean, I I don't feel like there's anything special I do they. 425 00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:12.440 I mean, I if I just sat and talked myself into a microphone, 426 00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:16.400 that would be very boring, very quickly. I'm not the main center 427 00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:21.519 of entertainment. It's not about me. It's about the person that I'm talking 428 00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:24.839 to, you know. So I commonly tell people that I just happen to 429 00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:30.680 help be I guess like a mouthpiece, you know, for people who are 430 00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:35.960 authors, for people who write that we give a chance for these authors to 431 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:37.359 talk, you know, like it'd be amazing if you know, the No 432 00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:39.759 Sleep even had the time to do that. I mean, they usually have 433 00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:45.119 five six seven stories per episode a week for them, so that would be 434 00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:49.440 a lot of authors to interview. But just in general, I know the 435 00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:54.200 Wicked Library either does or used to do something similar where they would have their 436 00:32:54.359 --> 00:33:00.480 main story of the week and then they would interview kind of with the author 437 00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:05.720 the author afterwards, but it was very formal feeling and they were very professional. 438 00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:08.039 And I have no idea how professional I sound or not. It's just 439 00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:13.480 I just do what I do. But anyways, I just do tell people 440 00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:15.000 that, hey, I work with this horror podcast. We do a lot 441 00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:22.359 of suspense thrillers stories, not just horror, and my fun job is to 442 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:25.480 get them to talk about what they did and what they do, and that's 443 00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:28.960 all that it is. I get other people to talk, is what I 444 00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:32.799 tell people. I'm dying to know who is your favorite Gray Rooms character. 445 00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:38.079 I mean, everyone says Bob, so that's like, you got to take 446 00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:45.240 that off the table, because that's not fair. I think I liked Raymond 447 00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:52.480 just because knowing Jason and then knowing how he acted Raymond, it blew my 448 00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:59.720 mind that he was. He played Raymond so well that I, you know, 449 00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:06.799 coming from where Jason had only done like regular radio and other things in 450 00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:09.719 the past. He was never an actor per se. He just blew my 451 00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:15.840 mind with this character Raymond, because listening to Raymond, I felt the sadness, 452 00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:20.480 I felt the confusion, I felt the anguish that he was going through 453 00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:25.199 the entire arc of season one, nobody would say that Jason phoned it in. 454 00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:32.920 And I keep talking about Jason because he made Raymond so real and it 455 00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:37.519 didn't feel like there was an actor playing Raymond. I felt like I was 456 00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:43.159 stuck listening to this guy named Raymond go through what he was going through. 457 00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:47.360 So it's a testament to what Jason accomplished. But because of that, I 458 00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:51.199 think that I connected and it's not for any other reason. You know, 459 00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:54.840 I didn't go through anything that Raymond went through, but I connected so much 460 00:34:54.840 --> 00:35:00.639 with that character just based on the acting alone, and just feel that's that 461 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:05.239 sadness and connecting to that, like, man, what, what the fuck 462 00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:08.480 is happening to him? He's he's he's desperately trying to hang on to his 463 00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:14.239 sanity throughout all of this torture and all of this shit happening to him. 464 00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:17.199 And you know, he could be a bit of a pussy about certain things, 465 00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:21.679 but he's not. He's just giving into all of the human emotions. 466 00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:27.800 And so to me, it will always be the classic character that really went 467 00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:30.320 through the ringer in the Gray Rooms. You know, like Samantha's arc, 468 00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:34.440 she she survived what she was going through. It made her better. It 469 00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:37.079 made her stronger. She know, she became an equal to Bob, if 470 00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:43.880 not even higher than Bob. You know, Beckett is now a part of 471 00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:46.119 the Gray Rooms projects, so like he overcame that. You know, so 472 00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:51.360 everyone is going through what they need to go through. But to me, 473 00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:57.719 Raymond was still that quintessential human that just got fucked with and experienced, you 474 00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:00.440 know a lot of shit that maybe we feel in real life when we're frustrated 475 00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:07.400 by not understanding what's happening to us in our actual daily lives. And so 476 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:10.519 that's what I connected to so forever, I think Raymond will be my favorite 477 00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:20.000 character of the Great Rooms exactly. So you mentioned about change. You've mentioned 478 00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:23.440 Bob has changed, You've mentioned the Rooms of change, You've mentioned that Behind 479 00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:30.000 the Door keeps evolving. What sort of changes or implementations are you thinking about 480 00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:35.239 doing for season five of Behind the Door or is that a secret both? 481 00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:42.760 I honestly, because we just finished the season and I just did the last 482 00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:46.679 interview with the episode nineteen author like a week ago from US recording. Now, 483 00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:54.239 I do have ideas for not changing the format but just updating the format, 484 00:36:54.360 --> 00:37:00.159 but nothing that I think is concrete that I can discuss. I you 485 00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:05.519 know, I'm I'm very happy with the format of getting the author on and 486 00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:12.400 asking the author all the things. Um. Sometimes I miss the group session 487 00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:15.960 where we had the author and the actor, so that that could always be 488 00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:22.400 a possibility. Um. Definitely. In general, just having the actors on 489 00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:25.679 doesn't happen very often. You know, we do focus mostly on the author, 490 00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:30.320 and that's that wasn't like anything that anyone sat down and said we should 491 00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:32.800 only talk to authors. That's all we were interested in. It just has 492 00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:37.519 evolved that way because of course, without the authors we would not have the 493 00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:40.880 stories. And yes, without the actors we wouldn't have a story either, 494 00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:45.159 but we would just get other actors. So anyways, I don't know, 495 00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:52.320 I'm saying nothing specific here. I have some ideas and a spiral pull him 496 00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:58.639 out to keep talking if he doesn't want to tell he doesn't want to say 497 00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:01.400 things, he's dancing. I'm tight lip, but still speaking. Yeah, 498 00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:05.800 shut me up now. Oh yeah, I remember a few things that we've 499 00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:09.760 discussed where you dance beautifully around the subject because it hits a little too close 500 00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:14.719 to home. Excellent, you understand my process then, yes, yes, 501 00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:21.239 yes, absolutely, so let's go a little bit deeper. What's your worst 502 00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:28.679 memory at Craig bought from this season, all of them. So, Craig 503 00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:34.159 Bot is a bot we use on Discord to record that are behind the Door 504 00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:37.480 episodes. It we go, we all go into a voice channel and then 505 00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:44.280 this bot will record that interview and then at the end it will give me 506 00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:50.360 separate audio files for east person so I can then produce the show. And 507 00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:53.639 for whatever reason, and especially this season, Craig Bot's like, no, 508 00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:57.480 I'm just not gonna play fair. You know what. Oh, you're deep 509 00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:00.599 in a really good conversation. Fuck you, I'm going to disconnect. So 510 00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:05.199 this bot keeps leaving our server in the middle of an interview, and it 511 00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:07.079 doesn't make sense. There's no one that we can reach out to and complain 512 00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:09.800 about this service. I mean, it is free, so what the hell 513 00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:16.239 are you going to do? So I will say this the interview I did 514 00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:22.000 with you and Cassie, it was one of our narrative wrap up interviews. 515 00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:28.599 We probably talked for a good and this has happened prior to but we talk 516 00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:31.559 for a good twenty minutes, I think, until I ultimately realized, wait 517 00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:36.400 a minute, Craig is not even craig Bot is not even in the voice 518 00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:39.079 channel. We've been talking to nothing. Nothing has been recorded. And we 519 00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:44.400 had a fantastic exchange about a couple of things, and so then we had 520 00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:49.719 to bring craig Bot back into record and then try and backtrack and figure out 521 00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:52.880 what we had been talking about when he left. I keep saying he it 522 00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:57.360 the thing, the stupid fucking bot, and I don't know. It was 523 00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:00.639 like we were like rushing through trying to you know, you can never get 524 00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:06.159 back that organic talk that was missed. Yeah, you had me running through 525 00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:08.920 it. You had me running through a field chasing after a goose. So 526 00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:14.440 I mean badly, that's lost forever. And the audio was there, it 527 00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:20.800 just wasn't recorded. And so we really missed out on an opportune situation because 528 00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:22.480 Craig Bott was like, oh, yeah, whatever, I'm just gonna leave 529 00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:28.599 this conversation. And I don't know why I've googled it. There's no definitive 530 00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:31.960 answer as to why these mishaps happen. Sometimes the Internet is just a fucking 531 00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:38.119 asshole. So hashtag fuck you, Craig. Yeah to season five, we 532 00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:40.760 will do it some other way, all right, now that I got you 533 00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:44.559 all angry and out of sorts. We're gonna play a game. Do you 534 00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:49.199 want to game with me? Brooks? Yes, but a question mark. 535 00:40:49.679 --> 00:41:00.559 So this is a fun game we would like to call would you rather so? 536 00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:07.679 Would you rather, Brooks Bigley, have Todd be the entertainment at your 537 00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:10.800 kid's birthday party? Or would you rather have the warden cater it? So 538 00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:15.679 the warden would be in charge of like the food, food, drinks, 539 00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:20.800 anything that people consume. Okay, so for sure I would rather have Todd 540 00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:28.840 be the entertainment because he's just gonna make stupid sexual innuendo jokes and mostly just 541 00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:32.719 act like a really silly, obnoxious clown, whereas the warden would probably try 542 00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:37.559 to make the kids eat eyeballs and other gross dead body parts, and that's 543 00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:42.360 just not a fun thing I think kids need to deal with. Well. 544 00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:45.760 I mean, the warden could bring a certain form of entertainment to cut and 545 00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:51.639 the cake with the chainsaw. I just feel like he'll do more damage to 546 00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:55.760 the psyche of kids. They will hold on, they will need more therapy 547 00:41:55.800 --> 00:42:00.159 as they get older by interacting with the warden versus just having Todd be Todd 548 00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:08.280 to entertain them. I'm just imagining it, it's hilarious, So you're sadistic. 549 00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:12.800 Yeah, if we stick with our Todd and Warden theme for one more 550 00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:17.280 question, would you rather let the warden choose where you get a new piercing 551 00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:24.960 or let Todd choose a tattoo for you? Okay, Well this is a 552 00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:30.559 dilemma because I mean, clearly the warden is gonna, well, I'm to 553 00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:35.440 get a piercing on some kind of genital area or somewhere very painful. But 554 00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:38.079 you know, I mean that's a once in a lifetime thing that happens and 555 00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:43.920 you just live with it. Odd for sure might pick some asinine reason for 556 00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:47.679 some asinine tattoo that's very visible that just makes me look like an ass for 557 00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:54.679 the rest of my life. So I'm trying to think of what what he 558 00:42:54.719 --> 00:43:01.559 would pick for a tattoo is something sexually? Well, absolutely, I'd dick 559 00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:07.480 on your face a tattoo of Hello Kitty eating a pot of chili. Oh, 560 00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:09.320 I mean, I would rather do that than get certain things pierced. 561 00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:13.960 So if that's well, you know, the Warden's going to be like, 562 00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:16.199 you know, I'm gonna pierce you with this chair through your mid section. 563 00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:20.039 So that's what I'm saying. That's exactly he'd be like, ha ha, 564 00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:22.239 you said piercing, Well, surprise, this is what I'm gonna use to 565 00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:25.440 pierce you. It would be a thing that you wouldn't ultimately think about. 566 00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:30.199 So then yeah, maybe again, I'd pick Todd just because Todd is not 567 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:35.559 inherently evil, so he's not going to do the worst thing. The warden 568 00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:38.079 is for sure going to figure out just how to absolutely fuck you up in 569 00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:43.679 the worst way possible for the longest time possible. So fuck the warden. 570 00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:50.119 I guess I'd pick the tattoo by Todd. Absolutely fair. So, Brooks 571 00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:53.719 Bigley, would you rather be the next guest in the Gray Rooms or would 572 00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:59.519 you rather be the architects in turn? Ooh, I mean I really love 573 00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:02.119 a strong woman that tells me what to do. I'm just surrounded by them 574 00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:07.320 in life. I feel like so, m that almost might be pleasurable to 575 00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:13.119 have the architect tell he'll be my boss. Well, you remember, remember 576 00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:16.039 right now, you do have cries as one of the people in the Gray 577 00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:21.639 Room. She could tell you what to do. I mean, that's not 578 00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:27.599 a bad thing, especially the way you've been writing her lately. M Oh, 579 00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:34.840 what I pick this is this is a quand D. I think I 580 00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:39.239 would rather be the architect's bitch. Absolutely, bring it on. There you 581 00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:45.239 go. You're going to be the next Steve. All right, we got 582 00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:50.280 we got one more and then we'll wind it down. Would you rather have 583 00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:53.159 to tell Cassie that you have to push back a release deadline? Or would 584 00:44:53.159 --> 00:45:00.960 you rather tell Jason that the audio for his story sucked? Oh? Man, 585 00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:09.239 oh I mean tell telling Jason his audio sucked as a lie. So 586 00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:15.519 I could never do that, So I would rather tell I would rather she's 587 00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:22.719 listening, Fuck you, Arthur. I would rather tell, oh, damn 588 00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:30.800 it, um um, she's listening, she will listen, She's not currently 589 00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:37.360 listening. Somehow I feel in edit about ready to happen. No, all 590 00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:42.360 of this will stay, including you saying that somehow this question didn't make it. 591 00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:45.440 I don't know what happened. We ran out of time. The interview 592 00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:47.679 was only twenty minutes. I'm sorry, I don't know what to say. 593 00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:53.480 I would I mean a man, if I ever said anything to Jason, 594 00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:55.960 it would be like, oh, hey, you forgot to clip this portion 595 00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:00.480 of this or so or that. I've never felt like, why the hell 596 00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:02.519 did you choose to do this sound Why did you choose to do it that 597 00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:06.960 way? I've never felt that way, so by default I would probably just 598 00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:12.280 be like, Ah, Cassie, I can't produce this thing according to the 599 00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:15.039 calendar, please forgive me blah blah blah blah blah. So yeah, I'd 600 00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:21.920 rather tell Cassie something has to be pushed out or some shit. All right, 601 00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:27.119 Well, as we're winding down, I guess do you have any social 602 00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:30.239 media or where can we find you outside the Gray Rooms? Brokes. Oh, 603 00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:37.159 I've never been asked this before. Um, I mean, my Instagram 604 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:40.760 and Facebook very private. I mean I post family pictures and whatnot, so 605 00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:45.800 you have to like pretty much know me in real life to find me there. 606 00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:50.480 But I can be found on Twitter how do the kids say it? 607 00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:54.679 At author on tweets dot com. I don't have my own website yet at 608 00:46:54.679 --> 00:47:00.840 Brookes dot com. You can find me at Brooks dot Bigley on Twitter, 609 00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:05.480 and I mean I'm not active there because I don't know. I don't really 610 00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:09.280 have much to say publicly other than sharing all of the Gray Room stuff. 611 00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:15.840 I don't like feel like I have anything relevant to add into the pool of 612 00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:19.440 actual funny things that most people have to say. Maybe I should do that. 613 00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:22.400 Maybe I should just start saying whatever the fuck I feel like saying on 614 00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:24.280 my Twitter. I don't know. We'll see, depends on how many of 615 00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:30.400 you at me. Everybody at Brooks Bigley on Twitter, or come join the 616 00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:34.760 Discord. He's on there too, Yes, yes, there you You can 617 00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:37.719 find me on the discord. We were active on the discord for sure. 618 00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.199 All right, Well, it was great of you for joining us tonight, 619 00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:44.519 Brooks. I appreciate you taking the time to sit and chat, and I 620 00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:46.639 thank you for sharing your world with us here in the Gray Rooms. Well, 621 00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:49.719 you know, thank you for having me, Arthur. I'm a big 622 00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:53.039 fan of your show and I was really excited that you asked me to be 623 00:47:53.079 --> 00:48:01.480 here tonight. You're always always welcome in my bedroom, and as usual, 624 00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:07.000 the biggest thank you goes out to our fans and followers who listened daily and 625 00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:10.119 spread the good word a Bob, may you languish, lament and love, 626 00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:16.000 but always with love hashtag stay Gray, Take care and enjoy your evening, 627 00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:28.679 bros. Thanks Arthur, and good night folks. By join us each week 628 00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:36.519 after every episode for another interestship of Behind the Door