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Since nineteen ninety seven. I've outlived
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Ask not what your country can do
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do for your country. Mister Gerbertshaw, tear down this wall, read my

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lifts. It's the Ricochet Podcast with
Peter Robinson and lag Wan. I'm James

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Lylenx. Today we just talk about
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So let's sabrasels about guest. Well. Speaking as someone who very strongly does

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not want Donald Trump to get the
Republican presidential nomination, I'm extraordinarily distressed by

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this document. I think this is
even weaker than I feared it would be.

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We will have so much winning if
I get elected that you may get

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ricochet dot com. My name is
James Lenx. I'm in Minneapolis, Minnesota,

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where it was like tan above and
snowy and it's gonna be seventy degrees

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in a few days. Can't wait? Is it really? Oh great?

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I know, it's extraordinary. Is
that what happens? Spring just hits the

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curtain goes up and it's just there. It's like a bag of sand on

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a stage that just falls from above
and thuds on the floor boards. It's

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quite wonderful. But you know,
we had a blizzard and on the first

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day of May, I found myself
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which we're all cowtowing to the steps
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and having a snow whipped down my
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it, and cursing why I live
here. And six or seven days later

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I'll be saying that there's absolutely no
way I could ever leave. Rob in

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New York feels the same way.
I'm sure as a good New Yorker he

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can't imagine why anybody would want to
live anywhere else than the epicenter of the

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universe. And Peter in California,
of course, is still suffused with that

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Golden State glow that makes him happy
that he calls it a home, even

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though each one of us would like
to radically redesign the places in which we

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live. True Chicago, if you
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would love to live in Chicago because
architecturally it is an absolutely fantastic city.

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I love to walk around. The
museum is great, that the lake is

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yeah, It's just it's it's this
vision of urbanity that I've always liked.

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And now I'm thinking Kurt Russell ow
to make a movie out of escaping from

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at some point in the future.
Because they've they've voted in a new mayor

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who brings to mind the old adage
that the voters have spoken and now they're

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going to get it good and hard. Gentlemen, what do you think about

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the Chicago mayoral results. Well,
what we see is the power of the

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teachers unions and we see, we
see the effects of Donald Trump. The

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candidate who was in favor of backing
the police, the candidate who had the

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endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police, if I am naming it correctly,

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was portrayed by his opponent, who
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the teachers unions, as a maga
sympathetic Democrat, and the reverse the race.

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The teachers unions and the taint of
Trump and of the Republican Party was

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enough to flip the race. The
man who lost finished the primary ahead,

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as I recall, by double digits, and then the teachers unions weighed in

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and began smearing him, and the
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Another great American city that doesn't quite
doesn't quite work, doesn't come close

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to working. The new mayor elect
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to increase social programs. It's that
old liberal notion, progressive notion, that

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we don't attack crime, we attack
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root causes of a crime are that
certain people, certain constituents, don't have

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enough money or schooling or social programs. So we'll raise money on the rich.

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And yet as ken Griffin, the
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last decade and a half, demonstrated
last year, the rich can up and

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leave. Ken Griffin and Citadel his
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After decades in Chicago. They got
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to suppose that things in Chicago aren't
about to continue to get worse. That's

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what I think. Wow, that
Rob will find the laughs. Yeah,

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I find Chicago politics so fascinating and
baffling, Like there's just this it's

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just hard to know, um what
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a kind of an unholy perfect storm
of enormous amount of money from a teachers

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union that Will was desperate because there's
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all over the country, and they've
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less popular. They certainly are not
delivering value to their customers in Chicago,

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that is for sure. So they
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monopoly, their low quality monopoly that
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then I think there's this ability in
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to sort of use Donald Trump as
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you know, graffiti engine just graffiti
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know, maga and you're probably gonna
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also feel like there's a little bit
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bit of like, uh, I
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surprised by this, because it suggests
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Chicago who have not only given up, but as Peter said, is left

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have left that no one really has
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a kind of a throw up your
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sad. Not just that you know, the moron one, because the morons

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are gonna win. That's gonna happen
no matter how wouldn't matter what happens in

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the countries, You're gonna have terrible
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what you get in a lot of
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think there's a sense Chicago and I
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well, you know what, why
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They want it to Suela to have
it this way. If the machine

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politicians can convince enough people to just
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ridden a hopeless urban hellscape, then
fine, you know we'll get And I

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don't think it's could be just the
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class did in the fifties and sixties
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know, if you have a lot
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votes, you can vote yourself to
Florida. If you don't have a lot

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of dollars, you can vote yourself
in Wisconsin. You can vote yourself to

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outside the city. You can vote
yourself out of an urban environment you don't

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like. I mean, I have
a don't I know, we want to

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keep talking about this. I just
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to be on Sunday night. On
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if you must know, and I'm
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Pantcy, Madison Abey, and I
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like all these fancy stores. And
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that was the nighttime, so streets
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At really the doorway of a fancy
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on his knees, clearly shooting up
something I didn't stop to ask, but

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shooting up on Madison Avenue on the
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a little farther and I crossed over
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in front of Trump Tower. This
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the on the west side of the
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go for Trump's arrival, not I
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tape on the sidewalk already boxed off
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to place their people. So there
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NBC and all of the media had
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And then I walked a little bit
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just Create Town, so just below
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man wearing a shirt teach shirt and
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a man. He was of the
size where it's hard to tell, if

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you know what I mean, But
he was wandering around and then people will

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kind of walk by him, and
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ahead thinking, wait, wait a
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in New York City, in Manhattan. And it's just something to me that

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those three points are actually connected because
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is more concerned with some obscure hard
to prove quasi I don't know, indictment,

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I guess, although people have a
hard time finding the crime in those

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indictments and utilizing the resources of the
NYPD for a circus, whereas where there

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are actual things, the quality of
life are all New Yorkers, no matter

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who you are, better who you
voted for, that need to be taken

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care of and are utterly ignored by
a politician who is more interested in show

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trials, immediate circus, playing to
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show or whatever. And it was
just it was in space of forty minutes,

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you saw everything you need to know
about the problem with urban progressive politicians.

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What you feel to understand, rob
is that the man who wasn't wearing

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anything but a T shirt is there
because we have given up untreating the mentally

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ill ever since Ronald Reagan personally incinerator
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himself. You know, he had
a little dribble, a little stern o

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light a match. Reagan did that, and since then the Republicans have steadfastly

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refused to be acknowledged the existence of
mental illners. So that's the problem,

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and New York is powerless. There's
absolutely nothing New York could do about that

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man. The other thing you have
to realize is that the man who was

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standing in the doorway shooting up has
every right to do so because he was

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driven to that by the despair that
comes from income inequality. He was walking

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down the street in a bad one
day, or smiling perhaps, and then

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being hit by a heroine stick.
That's precisely what happened. A torrential rain

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of needles came down from the sky, and the guy was dismayed because all

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of his life he tried to avoid
hero when he'd seen would have done to

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everybody else, and so he decided, I'm never going to put that needle

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in my arm, because I know
what happens from that. But he was

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struck by the by the needle from
the sky, just as many people are

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hit by that pregnancy bolt that comes
and all of a sudden it just makes

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them pregnant. Nothing you can do
about that. So there's what we must

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do, is to focus all of
our efforts not on making sure that the

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doorways in the streets are clean,
but to attend to the needs of the

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people who, through no action of
their own whatsoever, have become shooting up

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in pump type people. We have
this argument here all that I know that

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sounds cold, but we have this
argument here all the time, and various

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conversationals settings online and otherwise about the
condition of our late rail because our light

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rail here in the Twin Cities is
in dreadful condition. It's a rolling homeless

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shelter and people are shooting up and
doing meth and all the rest of it.

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It's just appalling, it's filthy.
Nobody wants to go there, even

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the people who are running the things
that. You know, we need some

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more cops here because This is really
kind of biting into the revenue. But

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every single time the argument comes up, nobody can do anything about it until

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we address the problems that cause people
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place. And of course we've never
addressed them. I've gotten out of the

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blocks when it comes to these things. You would think that we spent absolutely

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no money whatsoever on homelessness and shell
But unless we solve those things, it

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is it is we are required to
be inconvenienced at every possible turn in order

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to rub our noses in the inequity
of this capitalistic health question. For Rob,

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you've been watching New York for a
long time. You and I both

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grew up. I grew up in
Upstate. You grew up in New England.

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Largely you were out here some,
but you grew up in New England.

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You attended Yale, you went to
perhaps all the whole scene where New

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York, Boston was a marvelous place, Philadelphia, Baltimore, all these had

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something to be said for it.
But New York was the town. New

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York was the town. And I
have the feeling this is true of you.

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But because it's true of me,
and what's true of me is true

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of you only about a year and
a half earlier. That when you're growing

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up and you're trying to figure out
how things work, you begin to realize

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that there are a couple of secret
New York's. And one secret in New

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York was the mob that the Godfather
wasn't made up. It's dated, it's

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old. No, But there was
a secret New York where Union's got run

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in a certain way by certain kinds
of people. But the other secret New

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York was the rich guys, and
they would let things get out of control

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so far, and then they'd say, wait a minute, we've got to

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find a candidate, we've got to
raise money, we've got to do something.

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The phrase city fathers actually made sense
for decade after decade when I was

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growing up, and the reason was
that it was their town. It was

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where they did business, and it
was the only place they could conceive of

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doing business. There were patterns of
life. A house on the North Shore,

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your apartment in the Manhattan. They
couldn't conceive of life any place else.

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And for many of them, there
was family history that attached them to

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New York. The Jewish experience,
where the immigrants had arrived dirt poor,

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and then they conquered the world by
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gets established because the biggest operation.
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the rise of Florida really just change
it all? It is it Florida that

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permits people to say to each other, you know what, we don't have

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to do business here. I was
talking or our friend Andrew. Andrew Guttman,

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who is doing a podcast for us
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moved to Florida. And when we
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remember whether he said it on the
air or during the little bit of chit

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chat before we began recording him.
He's the way he put it struck me.

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He said, everybody's here. Everybody
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to say about New York. You
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your in show business, of course
you had to be in. But he

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said, everybody's here. And I'm
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that the big guys, the people
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city fathers, now city father others
and city mothers. If you want to

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use the terminal attempt to update the
terminal. I suppose we should just retire

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it. In any event, they
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anymore. Ken Griffin just left Chicago. It that's that's a change, isn't

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it. Yeah, well, I
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change. I mean, I think
the rich great people can always leave,

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and they kind of did for a
while because the taxes that which I clearly

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understand. Um, but during the
high I mean, in general, crime

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in New York as reported isn't I
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and nineteen ninety was the high water
marker a water mark? How do you

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look at it? For murders?
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have you know they're there, but
most people can avoid I mean most people

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don't aren't worried about crime. But
they don't like is the insanity on the

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street. They don't like the facts
happen and the end of the day,

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there's some guy sitting on the subway
and another night comes up to him and

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just clocks him in the face for
no reason, And they don't even he

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didn't even know it. There's no
way he wasn't asking for money. He

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was just an insane person who was
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go to, but just that there's
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it's not the people who are going
to mug you, it's not the

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people who are going to steal your
car radio. And that was happening.

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You had plenty of rich people in
town. No one wanted to move to

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Florida. Moving to Florida was the
worst thing in the world. Right,

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That's when you go to die.
That's God's waiting room they call Florida.

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Right. But there is something specific
about the bedlam that's happening here that no

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one who is literally tasked with dealing
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to deal with thinks there's an upside
to dealing with or felis compelled to as

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opposed to you know, grandstanding,
you know, a former president downtown like

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that. That to me is like
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it's dereliction, but it's just also
a sense of vastly mispriced priorities. And

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I think that is kind of where
the right now is missing their argument.

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We're getting enmeshed in arguments that the
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be arguing about or I mean,
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a lot of the way we talk
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arguing about priorities. That was the
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was the priorities. And right now
it feels like we're all sort of running

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around with their heads cut off.
Meanwhile, a normal person can walk down,

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I mean, a liberal Democrat could
be walking next to me and would

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have the exact same I guarantee you
the exact same response I had, which

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is what on earth is the Manhattan
District Attorney doing? But that person will

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turn around and vote for the day. If the alternative to somebody who abraids

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their sensibilities in a general way on
some particular social issues that make them feel

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like they are the better person,
they're going to vote for that person and

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then just tut tut, what are
you gonna do? Look, you gonna

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lose elections anyway, right, you
gotta have an election. He might might

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lose it, but if you're gonna
lose it, at least lose it by

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by offering an alternative set of priorities. Well, I'm against that, but

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an alternative set, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll drag the ex president

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into downtown, I'll arrest him and
I'll throw them in irons. Just as

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soon as there are no naked men
running around loose on Fifth Avenue and we

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don't have people shooting up in doorways
in the minute, we could do that,

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you know what. Drag Donald Trump
through the streets and irons, that's

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fine by me. But my priorities
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of Manhattan. That is my job. That's what I would say. Well,

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that was the feeling back in the
sixties and seventies when the city had

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been lost. It felt been lost
to disorder, it had been lost to

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crime. There's this sense of feral
quality to it that nobody could do and

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it was a helplessness that nobody could
do anything about it. And it turns

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out they could. What a surprise. But when you talk about priorities,

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what priorities do you think the GOP
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they should concentrate more on urban disorder
because frankly, a lot of people TwixT

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the coasts. Don't give a fig
for urban disorder in these cities. They

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figured they voted it, they wanted
it, they got it. Go ahead,

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this is what you voted for.
And it's hard to appeal to somebody

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in Iowa or North Dakota or Montana
and saying that we need to get our

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cities back. I actually, to
tell you the truth, I think that

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there is an argument that can be
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a pride in a a pride in
national restoration returned to you know, the

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good old days when we had thriving
cities, etc. Think you can make

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that point, not as your primary
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renaissance in America. Why dare I
say making it great again? But what

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do you think the Republicans are doing
now today that is misplaced in terms of

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priorities? Well, I mean,
so you know, it's been an astonishing

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list of defeat since twenty twenties,
so pretty much everything. I mean,

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I don't think it's the positions they're
taking. I think this is the way

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they're taking them and how they're taking
I mean, it's perfectly legitimate to say

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I'm in here's a perfect example it's
very clear to say parents have a right

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to raise their children in the system
of values that they have. They have

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a right, they have a right
to impose their values on their family.

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That is absolutely that's a classic great
Republican theme, right, so that a

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conservative could get behind. I'm making
distinctions. Of course, I know you're

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about you're canceling me. I'm making
distinctions in your Republican a conservative because I'm

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one and off the other. Okay, So that to me feels like a

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really clear thing. But then the
minute you say, and I know it's

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unpopular, I know people hate it, but the many you say, hey,

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if you take your kids to a
drag show, we're gonna call the

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county on you. You're out,
Like, no, you get to take

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your kids to a drag show if
you want to be your kids. You're

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the parent. You have a right
to impose your values on your family,

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and you also have a right to
keep other people from imposing their values on

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your family in schools. That seems
to be a perfectly legitimate, clean,

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totally understandable priority that doesn't cross the
line, and everyone can understand it.

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I have I mean, as you
must know, I have tons of liberal

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friends, right, have tons of
them. After a glass of wine,

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I know, in behalf, maybe
a sip, not even not even a

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glass of wine, They're saying things
like, well, I'm you know I

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you know me, I'm a liberal
Democrat. I'm a liberal Democrat. But

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and then they say things like,
but I don't think we should be teaching

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this stuff in fourth grade. I
don't think we should be giving children puberty

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blockers. I don't think and it
goes list to all the things. But

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I'm a liberal Democrat that keep saying
I'm a liberal Democrat. I don't.

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I heard somebody just yesterday saying,
I listen, I'm a liberal Democrat.

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I hate Trump more than anybody hate
Trump. I hate Trump, blah blah

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blah, Right, but I don't
think he should have been arrested and tuk,

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this is this is BS. So
there's this giant area of people who

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share at least our top five priorities
if they are articulated and not and not

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part of this infection I think some
people have on the right, which is

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the most important thing, is to
troll the lib tarts. If you do

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that, it's funny and it's entertaining
for some but it leads you to I

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think, turning off a huge part
of the country. That is, it's

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like desperately wants you to be normal
and to scoop them up. That's I

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mean, you know me, I've
always said this. It's in the far

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right circles. It's considered it's considered
insult to be a rhino. You're a

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rhino. You're a rhino. I
got news for you. If you want

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to lead this country, if you
want to change things in this country,

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you better make friends with the rhinos. You need them. That is just

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mass And if you don't like it, then you got to change the constitution

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because that's the way it works.
I think as culture is also entitled to

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say that it is illegal to take
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that this should not be done,
that there are lines that can be

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drawn that as apparent you can I
mean, back in the days of X

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rated movies, you know, you
could not take your child to see an

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X rated movie. Would seemingly be
one of those cultural guardrails that is in

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the beginning of some stazi like fashion
state. So and I'm not a harmless

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little drag brunch, oh yeah,
I'm if it's not with somebody wearing the

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thong and the toddlers are tucking the
bills in the you know, in the

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straps. I don't know, but
what you get is what you're getting in

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Canada right now, where Ontario is
dealing with legislation that will make it impossible

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to be critical of a drag event
within a thousand feet or one hundred feet

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or something like that. I mean, what they're saying is you can't protest

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or the rest of it. But
it makes it sound as if you cannot

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utter a discouraging word within a hundred
feet of this. So if we I'm

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just saying that a lot of people
think of it this way, that if

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we don't put the guardrails up,
they will take the guardrails that are already

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in place and flatten them and insisted
anybody who does not believe in their new

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broad Road to Hell is a fobe
and a hater and the rest of it.

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They will continue to demolish every cultural
norm if we don't stand up in

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front of a few of them and
put up a hand saying no, no,

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no. So I see what you're
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it's kind of shading into the old
David French blessings of liberty thing here,

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which is, once you allow the
government to tell you how to raise your

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children, you better hope you win
every single election in every single district,

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in every single precinct, in every
single county. Is that telling you how

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to raise your children? Though?
It is it saying that children are not

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to be in adult spaces, and
a drag show is an adult space.

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And the whole point, the whole
point of direct Time Story Hour is introduced

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is to introduce notions of gender realignment
and expression in the rest of it.

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I mean allowed to do if you're
a parent who those that conforms to your

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values, you're allowed to do it. So Queen's Ford Hour, it probably

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does not upbraid those but a drag
If you say that you that this is

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an adult cabaret activity and children are
not too attended, that doesn't strike me

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as that much of a break with
where we've been as a culture for two

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hundred years. Well, we say
that you if you run, you know,

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you can't be a kid in a
bar right that the law as you

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can't drink if you're under twenty one, so you can't have a kid in

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a bar we have. I'm not
saying we shouldn't have any rules, but

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I'm saying that in abroad that if
we're going to error, we need to

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err on the side. If we're
going to be conservative, we need to

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err on the side of parental rights. You have the right to send your

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kid to if you pay property taxes
to any school in the area you want

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to. You have a right to
control what your children are learning and when.

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You have a right to understand what
the consequences are of If you don't

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want your kids to learn that the
Earth is millions of years old and there

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were a dinosaurs on it, I
think you're wrong. I don't think the

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Earth is five thousand years old.
But what am I gonna do? Am

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I gonna tell you? Know?
You can't. These are your value.

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You are allowed to do it.
And to the extent that we're going to

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make rules, we have to make
them. I think on the just on

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the fundamental part of sort of health
and safety. The minute we don't well,

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we just got to win every single
election all the time. And when

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we don't win every single election all
the time, which we don't, we

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end up with people teaching two year
olds and seven year olds that they're not

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really girls, they're not really boys, and I just don't think that's a

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world that makes any sense. Peter
chime in on this year. Am I

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right right? Are we both right? Or? Oh? Well, you

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know, I'm not going to say
that Rob is right. I just couldn't.

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I couldn't force those words to form
in my mind, let alone escape

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my lips. Political, quite,
you guys are making two different kinds of

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arguments, and they're both very well
worth having. One is a policy argument

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what should be done, what shouldn't
be done? And then the other,

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of course, is the argument for
democracy. How do you get elected?

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What do you do to win votes? Okay? Two points? One is

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that I believe, at least in
part as a response to the lockdown of

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schools, but set aside what it
may or may not be in response to

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school choice legislation is moving through state
after state after state. There is a

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lot of really important activity taking place
out in the states. Florida, big,

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Arizona, big big meaning really quite
generous voucher programs and charter school programs.

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Texas. I can't recall whether Texas
hasn't but in the current legislative session.

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I believe they're expected to enact it
if they haven't already, and it's

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going it seems to be there over
a dozen states that have enacted very important,

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quite sweeping Charter education bills Item one, Item two. When Rob says

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Republicans need to wake up, my
thought is to the scene outside the courtroom

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the day before yesterday, when the
only Republican of any note I could see

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who had turned up was Marjorie what's
her name again? She has three names,

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Marjorie Green, Green, Marjorie Taylor, and also George Santos. Show.

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Okay, so we so to show
up. You don't get the speaker,

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you don't get any prominent senator.
The Republicans are just not so.

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I believe there was a period when
Republicans are scratching their heads saying, wait

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a minute, this stuff seems to
work for Trump. But as of the

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last election, and then again as
of last night, when candidates were just

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the merest taint of associate, even
though this man was a Democrat and had

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been all his life, and it
caused him to lose a race in which

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he had been leading in Chica,
Republicans want to back away from Trump,

416
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and Donald Trump is sucking up every
bit of media attention. So my question

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00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:18,720
here, I guess I'm just asking
you to make a prediction. Are we

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stuck? Is this man has he
got a lock on the nomination? Is

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it impossible to free up enough attention
so that we can look at governors out

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in the states. Well, of
course de Santis hasn't announced, but he

421
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seems to be running. Or here's
an amazing thing. Nobody's uttered the words

422
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,640
Ron de Santis for seventy two hours
or virtually all weak. Now there's a

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guy who just a few months ago
was leading Trump in the polls. My

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00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,759
point though, is that there are
governors who have remarkable records, records that

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would please Rob, because these are
people who are trying to find out where

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where can I get the votes?
What can I win? What can I

427
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:02,319
do? Arizona? You might Rob
may say to Sanders, is Tonally wrong?

428
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,599
He may say that Greg Abbott in
Texas, but Governor Doocy in Arizona.

429
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:11,000
Arizona is a complicated state. I
think tonally Rob would approve of him.

430
00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:18,279
Nobody can get any attention, any
attention because of Donald John Trump.

431
00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:23,480
The further irritation for me, and
I know that you're both champing at the

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00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:29,799
bit to come in and solve my
freight nerves. But the further irritation for

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00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,000
me. I see Trump speak at
maral lego Maraga, however it's pronounced,

434
00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:41,200
and of course he has a case. He has an argument that man who's

435
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:45,680
doing so much to hold back the
Republican Party to prevent the causes that we

436
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:51,240
believe in from finding a way to
be articulated and fought for. He stands

437
00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:53,400
up and says, they've been against
me since the Russian hoax. They've done

438
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,200
this, They've done and I listen
to this litany, and I find myself

439
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:02,880
saying, in eight out of ten
claims, he's right, he has been

440
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:09,559
done an injustice. How do you
say, Alvin Bragg is way out of

441
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:15,400
line that what took place in charging
Donald Trump, because everybody knows that those

442
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,839
charges would not have been brought against
a single other person on the face of

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00:32:17,839 --> 00:32:23,039
the planet. It was purely political, and that man Alvin Bragg, dragged

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this great Republic in the direction of
a Banana republic, and it was outrageous.

445
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How do you say that without at
least implying support for Donald Trump?

446
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:38,599
And perpetuating this inability of good people
to break through. Oh, the test

447
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:43,720
of first rate intellect is to hold
two competing ideas in your head at the

448
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,640
same time and still functioning. As
Scott Fitzgerald said, as though that was

449
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:51,839
some brilliant observation, it's entirely possible
to see this thing as being gendab and

450
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,000
say he doesn't mean I'm gonna vote
for him. It doesn't mean he's entitled

451
00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:00,200
to be the nominee. Jerry doesn't
because he'd lose. And even though to

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00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:02,119
say that if he's not given the
nomination, that that means that we are

453
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,279
rewarding, bragging the rest of them
for using the state and weaponizing these things.

454
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Uh well, if that result is
four more years of Biden, Harris,

455
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,640
Gavin Newsom, whatever, then we've
just shut ourselves, not just in

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the foot, in its growing our
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look at Marlago Sometimes I just think, boy, I wish I had somebody

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to do the manicuring on the foliage, because I got a lot of trees

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and cutting them up is expensive and
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them down, and then maybe I'll
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that. Then there's Wisconsin if you
want to talk about the trunk change,

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because people are saying that one of
the reasons that Wisconsin Supreme Court went the

498
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way it did was that the guy
on the conservative side was too closely aligned

499
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,639
with Trump because he'd been the R
ANDC point man on the election irregularity.

500
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Paying right, I may have been
part of it. I think most of

501
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,000
it was abortion, which leads,
you know, led to an interesting discussion

502
00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:22,960
and on ricochets like well, so
what was the point then of the conservatives

503
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,400
going against view? It was the
point of the whole Prilight pro life movement.

504
00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:30,280
If we lose, well, you're
gonna lose in some places because they're

505
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,320
going to be places that don't want
a total, complete and utter ban an

506
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,159
abortion. There was an eighteen forty
nine Wisconsin law that they were worried that

507
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:39,719
this guy was gonna uphold and there
would be no abortion. They can't have

508
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:46,239
that. I think it's important case
to make, but you're gonna lose it

509
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:51,320
on it in some places. Right, Well, ye're gonna win, You're

510
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,800
gonna lose something. I mean there's
a huge amount of energy and money and

511
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,719
effort and enthusiasm and you know,
you know, surprise, surprise, And

512
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,559
in this case there's actually a lot
of faith here. Uh. And what

513
00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:09,360
Americans should do pro life Americans should
be doing, um now that rov Wade

514
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:16,400
is not. The ultimate roadblock is
convincing their fellow Americans that persuasion in America

515
00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:20,639
is exactly how big things get done. And this is a big thing.

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00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:27,320
You got to change people's minds.
I mean it. It worked in abolition,

517
00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:31,360
it worked in civil rights. These
are essentially religious, faith based movements.

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00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:35,239
And don't forget it. Don't forget
that it worked. It worked for

519
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,079
a while with prohibition. To rob
I was gonna say that, say they

520
00:37:38,119 --> 00:37:43,079
do, but it also has its
drawbacks. Prohibition that worked for a while,

521
00:37:43,079 --> 00:37:45,159
and that was faith based. But
you know, you know, Americans

522
00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:46,960
are capable of changing them. I
mean, I mean, the the the

523
00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:52,199
prohibition is a good example because this
is a country built on whiskey, and

524
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:59,800
they managed to get Americans to pass
a constitutional amendment to ban whiskey. Didn't

525
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,920
really worked very long, but they
did. They You know, people respond

526
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,519
to persuasion. That is the that
is the gear that the pro life movement

527
00:38:06,559 --> 00:38:09,480
should have shifted into very quickly after
robi wave was repealed or overturned, and

528
00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:13,159
they didn't. And I understand why
they didn't. But you know, there's

529
00:38:13,159 --> 00:38:17,800
a long runway here for them.
But instead of worrying about state legislature,

530
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,159
legislature and worrying about elections, they
should be worrying about their neighbor to the

531
00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:25,840
left and neighbor of the right.
And since this is essentially a Christian movement,

532
00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:31,760
um, they should be reaching out
to their neighbors and trying with compassion

533
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:37,280
and trying with their humility to know
what I know what you mean, but

534
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,119
I feel bound to say that there
are plenty of Jews involved in the pro

535
00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:45,039
life movement. And Nat Hahntoff,
absolutely, that's a great late Nat Hahntoff,

536
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:47,840
who wrote for The Village Voice and
was a liberal in every other way

537
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,639
and an atheist as far as I
recall, was was pro to life.

538
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,360
So I'm going to agree with every
word you just said. That is extremely

539
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,039
rare on this program and in life, and just concerting to me. I

540
00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:04,079
have to go now. I want
to hear what I say. It's exactly

541
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,760
I will agree with me. Roe
versus Wade was handed down in nineteen seventy

542
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:15,039
three. That is an even half
century ago. That means we've had two

543
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:17,239
and a half. I don't know
how you count generations, two and a

544
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:22,960
half, maybe even three generations of
Americans growing up with the idea that abortion

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00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:30,280
is a legal and b implied.
Isn't it sort of normal? Isn't it

546
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:36,119
kind of okay? At the very
same time that church and synagogue attendance has

547
00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:42,159
been drifting down over this half century. People have to be persuaded. You

548
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,639
can't just expect that because we got
to a six votes out of nine on

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00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:52,760
the Supreme Court overturning Row, that
two weeks later abortion will be outlawed across

550
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,280
the county. It just doesn't work
that way, because the people you're dealing

551
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,639
with are people, they're human being. History has to be taken into account,

552
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,639
human psychology has to be taken into
account, and we have to persuade

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00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:12,480
our neighbors that is still the way
it works, who remain remarkably unpersuadable on

554
00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:15,639
these issues. Well, in Minnesota, bone headed would would be. Yeah.

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00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:19,760
I mean to hear you talk about
your neighbors, James, but oh

556
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,800
mind, I have no idea.
I can guess. I'm actually flanked by

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00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:29,920
a wonderful family and a Christian mortician, so I think they pretty good at

558
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,239
pretty good idea. But people tend
to convince themselves over time and experience.

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00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:37,880
I'm not exactly sure how much we
can bring to the table on that.

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00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:45,880
Well, we've got more, of
course, and we'll be back right after

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00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:57,760
this. And now we're welcome to
the podcast. Zev Orinstein, director of

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00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,800
international affairs for the City of David
Foundation, which we're going to speak about.

563
00:41:01,039 --> 00:41:05,639
Chef, welcome to the podcast.
I understand from looking at your website

564
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:08,880
that you dug up the golden bell
of what was called a loud man.

565
00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:15,960
Well, among many things, we
have discovered the golden bell of the biblical

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00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:19,440
high priest that the Bible says in
the Book of Exodus that would have been

567
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:22,320
along the hem of the robes to
the high priest. And the urban legend

568
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,920
has it that why did he have
bells on the hem of his robe?

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Because the one day a year when
he was allowed into the Holy of Holies

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00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:37,440
atop the Temple mount inside the temple, if something should happen and they stopped

571
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,840
hearing the jingling of the bell,
they would go to pull him out.

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00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:44,000
Yells had a rope tied around his
ankle, so that was as long as

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00:41:44,039 --> 00:41:46,280
the bells were jingling, we knew
that the High Priest was still breathing.

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00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,000
Ze Let's take just a moment to
set the scene here. Zev is joining

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00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:54,559
us from Jerusalem. You grew up
in the United States, but you now

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00:41:54,599 --> 00:42:00,840
live in Israel. You are part
of the archeological team excavating one of the

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00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:07,599
most fascinating sites in all the world. Let alone in Israel or the Holy

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00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:10,599
Land. And Rob Long and I
at different times someday, Let's hope James

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00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:14,880
as well. But Rob Long and
I have both been privileged to receive a

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00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,639
tour from you and this site,
which began to be excavated about a decade

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00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:23,360
ago. When was the first digging
in this site? When the very first

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00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,599
digging goes back one hundred and fifty
years ago to about eighteen sixty seven,

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00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:30,679
Queen Victoria of England. She wanted
to discover the treasures of the Bible like

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00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,760
Dark of the Covenant. And so
she sent a man to the Holy Land.

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00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,440
His name is Charles Warren. He
wanted to go to the Temple Mount,

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00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,280
except eighteen sixty seven the Ottoman the
Muslims are controlling the area and they

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00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,119
say not going to happen. And
so Charles Warren says, if I can't

588
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:45,880
dig on the Temple Mount of big
near it, He comes down the slopes

589
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,800
of the Temple Mount and inadvertently he
ends up discovering that the original biblical city

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00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,719
of Jerusalem, the City of David, the place where Jerusalem began, is

591
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,679
not found inside the walls of the
old city, but it actually found just

592
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:01,559
outside the walls. So the modern
digging begins when minor digging, I mean

593
00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:08,199
there's been going on during you have
going back sixty seventy years already to archaeology,

594
00:43:08,599 --> 00:43:13,079
archaeological excavations going on, but I
would say the city of David really

595
00:43:13,559 --> 00:43:16,039
begins to be put on the map. Two thousand and five, when doctor

596
00:43:16,119 --> 00:43:20,599
a Latmazar, world renowned arch y'all, just she comes up with a theory

597
00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:24,679
that she had discovered the location of
King David's palace, and that just set

598
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:30,559
off one major discovery after the next, and today the city of David is

599
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:35,239
known as perhaps the most significant half
mile on the planet. There is no

600
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,519
half mile that means more to more
people then the half mile which is the

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00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,960
city of David. It's the place
where the kings and the Bible ruled,

602
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,360
and the prophets of the Bible preached. And every single day we are unearthing

603
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,639
antiquities that are showing that simply as
a matter of faith, that as a

604
00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:52,480
matter of fact, that Jerusalem's biblical
heritage is real. You could see it,

605
00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:54,239
you could touch it, you could
walk on it. I was lucky

606
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,760
enough to touch it and to walk
on it, and thank you for helping

607
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,639
me do that. Just let me
just set the stage a little bit.

608
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:02,000
So you go out the southern gate, one of the most southern gates,

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00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:06,239
in the closest southern gate in Jerusalem, what they call the dung Gate,

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00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,639
or I guess the Bob Bob al
Maghareb, which Magarba, which is the

611
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,320
which because of the old Um North
African quarter. There you go out that

612
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gate and you've kind of cross a
busy road and you're in a little part

613
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:21,840
of the East Jerusalem. I guess
called Silwan, and there's the houses there,

614
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and there's a little businesses there,
and it's kind of a little village

615
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there. And the thing about Jerusalem
is that when you walk the streets of

616
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Jerusalem, you're walking above the streets, the original streets. So if you're

617
00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:37,280
a Christian, as I was,
and you walk on the Via Dolorosa,

618
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:42,320
really the stations of the Cross,
you're not really walking on the path.

619
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You're walking about twenty feet above the
path, because the path is below.

620
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What you guys have discovered is from
the very bottom of the hill of the

621
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:53,679
pools of Salom, which are ancient. I don't know why I'm telling you

622
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,559
this, I mean happy past off
by the way, but for our listeners,

623
00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:00,559
which is ancient, they all Mikva, which is a pureif Asian pool

624
00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:07,960
um for the purposes of Christians.
That is where Mary and Joseph brought Jesus.

625
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:12,239
They brought him into the pools of
salone, and they carried him up

626
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,559
the path to the temple, which
is you know, the second Temple,

627
00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:20,639
to for the presentation to temp temple, which was what we call candle mess.

628
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,119
I think that's right between the candles. That sounds right yes, yeah,

629
00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:28,519
so you can walk that and you've
been able to walk the path.

630
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:34,199
But what you guys have discovered is
that the actual road, the actual stones

631
00:45:36,199 --> 00:45:40,960
are there, and they are underneath
the existing road and some of the houses,

632
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,760
which is a little controversial. Um, but you can walk through a

633
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:50,039
tunnel. It's not that. It's
you know, maybe maybe twelve feet high

634
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:57,199
where people are excavating the actual road, the actual stones that were there at

635
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,440
the time, and it's kind of
gives you goose bumps. Um. This

636
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:06,039
was a busy road into Jerusalem.
It is inconceivable that the adult man Jesus

637
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:10,320
didn't walk along that path if there's
some scholars suggest that that is actually the

638
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:15,320
route he took in on Palm Sunday
and not the route on the other side

639
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:16,880
of town. You know, on
the it was now called the Lions gate

640
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,840
Um because that was the main route. And there's little alcoves in the strew

641
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,639
where the store the shopkeepers were,
and there are stone sort of plints looked

642
00:46:25,639 --> 00:46:30,159
like plints where preachers, especially at
that time when there seemed to be preachers

643
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:34,599
on every corner, would stand and
preach to the crowd. It is not

644
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:40,280
conceivable that Jesus didn't stand on those
stones as an adult man. And it's

645
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:45,559
really the only place in Jerusalem that
you're that Jerusalem, they always says.

646
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:49,920
When you're there, you're like,
well it was you know, it was

647
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,440
either here or near right. It
was either right here where it x Roy

648
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:58,880
happened or near here. But when
you're in the tunnel in the in on

649
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,639
that road, it is not here
or near It is right there, Zev.

650
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:09,719
The pools of siloam now uncovered the
roadway those huge herodion I don't know

651
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,800
whether they were I don't know that
you know yet whether those stones were carved

652
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,920
by Herod or by pilot, by
the Romans or by the Jewish authorities,

653
00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:24,400
these huge stones. Jews would come
from all over the Mediterranean for which festivals

654
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,639
how many times a year, and
this would be the ceremony. They would

655
00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:34,199
wash in siloam, and tens of
thousands of people for the great festivals would

656
00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:38,119
then press up to the temple.
Is that right? So the historian Josefis

657
00:47:38,159 --> 00:47:44,039
says that two thousand years ago you
would have on the three biblical pilgrimage festivals.

658
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:47,400
We're talking about Passover, Pentecost tabernacles
where all of Israel has to go

659
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,760
on pilgrimage up to the Temple.
The historian Josefis said that I'm passed over

660
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,159
two thousand years ago. You're talking
about two point seven million people who are

661
00:47:55,199 --> 00:47:59,480
going up on pilgrimage, millions of
people. Now, the Pool of Slam

662
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,639
was the largest ritual bath. Before
you can go up to the temple,

663
00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:06,039
you have to cleanse yourself. Now, Rob you mentioned in terms of the

664
00:48:06,039 --> 00:48:09,320
significance the Christians the Pool of Selam. The Christian scriptures referred to also the

665
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,440
story of the healing of the blind
man, which takes place at the Pool

666
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:19,400
of Selam. And now I've been
asked by many, many dignitaries and diplomats

667
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,840
and so on. You know the
pilgrimage road that both of you had the

668
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:27,480
privilege of walking on that leads the
half mile journeys from the Pool of Selam

669
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,320
all the way after the footsteps of
the temple mount the western wall of the

670
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:35,639
southern steps. This road is the
actual road that Jesus would have walked on.

671
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,360
Now, I've been asked many times, well, how do you know?

672
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,239
And I say it's very simple.
Jesus was a Jew, and he

673
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,760
would have gone with all the Jews
to cleanse in the pool of Selam and

674
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,639
then walked up the Pilgrimage road through
the city of David, coming out at

675
00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:49,360
the temple atop the Temple Mount.
The pool of Selam was the same pool

676
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,440
from two thousand years ago. The
Pilgrimage road running through the city of David

677
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:55,320
is the same Pilgrimage road. And
I've asked many pastors, many priests the

678
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,639
Via della Rose to the station to
the Cross, do you believe literally those

679
00:48:59,639 --> 00:49:01,920
are the actual stations? And I've
received the same answer every single time,

680
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:06,440
which is, well, not not
exactly, but what we're unearthing in the

681
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,280
city of David, whether you're Jewish
or Christian, this is as close to

682
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,960
one hundred percent as you're going to
get. You are literally walking in the

683
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,199
footsteps of the Bible. And I
think it's it's for that reason that a

684
00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:23,800
few years ago the previous administration recognized
the city of David as a heritage site.

685
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,519
And I think probably you both saw
it in the entrance of the city.

686
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:30,239
Dad. It's a big plaque with
a large American flag on it.

687
00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:35,159
And the question is why is America
recognizing the city of David not as a

688
00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:37,320
Jewish heritage site, and not as
an Israeli heritage site, but as an

689
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:43,159
American heritage site. And the reason
was that they understood that the bedrock of

690
00:49:43,199 --> 00:49:47,079
the Judeo Christian heritage that America was
established upon actually has its ruth in Jerusalem,

691
00:49:47,159 --> 00:49:51,119
in the City of David. That
the heritage that we're unearthing every single

692
00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:53,079
day, like the police Law,
like the Pilgrimage Road, and like so

693
00:49:53,119 --> 00:50:00,000
many other antiquities from the Biblical period, are affirming not just the heritage of

694
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:04,079
the Jewish people and Israel, but
also of America. And when people,

695
00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:07,400
whether it's the United Nations or elsewhere, denied Jerusalems heritage, well they're also

696
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:13,360
denied the heritage of America. I
mean, could get into the just the

697
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,840
politics of it, right, because
I think about Jerusalem is you can't get

698
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:22,599
a cup of coffee, you can't
get a little you know, baklava without

699
00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:28,159
a little bit of politics involved in
everything. So there's a little controversy because

700
00:50:28,159 --> 00:50:32,039
some people were displaced the way they
often are when you do archaeological digs um.

701
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:37,360
And there's also a little controversy because
the Pilgrimage Road goes all the way

702
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:42,880
up to what some people call the
Second Temple and some people call the Mazar

703
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,920
al Sharif the Temple mount where um
one of the holiest places in Islam.

704
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:52,159
And there's a lot of worry that, Okay, well, there's there's this

705
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:57,039
plan by far right Israelis to sort
of dynamite the Mosque and put up the

706
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,639
third now the Third Temple, So
you kind of have to take it on

707
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:07,360
faith that what you're doing is a
matter of faith. But isn't there a

708
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:13,760
part of it that's a little bit
like politics. Well, I would say

709
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:20,639
the irony is actually the opposite,
because I don't think there are very many

710
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,800
it's certainly not mainstream position within Israel
or the Jewish people denying the significance that

711
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:30,239
Jerusalem has for Islam, the deep
feeling that Muslims have for Jerusalem. But

712
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:35,559
if you were to ask Palestine and
leadership about the Jewish heritage in Jerusalem or

713
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:39,000
even the Christian heritage of Jerusalem will
deny it. So the irony is not

714
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:43,119
that there's a fear that, oh
my god, you know, Israel's going

715
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:50,079
to do something that will threaten Islamic
feelings towards Jerusalem. But the reality is

716
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:52,679
is that whether it's the United Nations, the European Union, Palestine leadership every

717
00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:59,000
single day is denying the Jewish and
Christian heritage in Jerusalem, including resolutions pass

718
00:51:59,079 --> 00:52:02,880
by UNESCO and other eyes. And
as far as the archaeology goes one in

719
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:10,000
Jerusalem, everything is political, whether
you sneeze to the writer to the last.

720
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:14,079
But I actually, I actually said. I had a group of EU

721
00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:16,400
officials who visited the City of David, and I said to them, I

722
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,280
said, do you want I said, They said, what do the Palestinians

723
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,159
think about the City of David?
And I said, well, honestly,

724
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:23,880
their leadership hates it. And they
said, well why is that? And

725
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:28,000
I said, well, very simple, because the story that they've been telling

726
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,400
for the last century is that Jews
and by extension, Christians have no heritage

727
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,239
in Jerusalem. You're a bunch of
colonizers, occupiers, thieves, You stole

728
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,920
this land, You have no business
being here. Now. The problem is

729
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,559
that, of course, is the
City of David, because every single day

730
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:42,679
we're unearthing antiquities that are showing not
simply as a matter of faith, but

731
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,639
as a matter of fact, that
the Jewish people and by extension Christians have

732
00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:49,679
been in Jerusalem for thousands of years. And I turned the officials and I

733
00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:52,639
said to them, but you know
what, you want to depoliticize the archaeology.

734
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,239
I had a full proof, guaranteed
way how to do that. And

735
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,280
they were very interested. I said, I said, all that you have

736
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,079
to do is one thing. You
can keep calling for your diplomatic solutions,

737
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:05,280
you can call for your divisions of
Jerusalem, whatever you want. All that

738
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,840
has to happen is that you and
leadership Plistinian leadership and European Union leadership have

739
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:13,400
to acknowledge one thing, which is
what that the Jewish people and by a

740
00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:15,400
sensing, Christians have been in Jerusalem
for thousands of years. That's all.

741
00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:20,079
Once you acknowledge that archaeology is no
longer political, because then when we find

742
00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:22,920
something that affirms the biblical heritage,
whether it's going back to the time of

743
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,039
Jesus, are going back to the
time of David, it's oh wow,

744
00:53:25,079 --> 00:53:28,639
that's really cool. It's not.
Well, you see, you guys said

745
00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:30,599
we were never here and now we're
here, and that proved this, and

746
00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:34,000
that proves it's just archaeology. And
what did these officials say to me?

747
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,639
They said they'll never agree to that. What do you want? What do

748
00:53:37,639 --> 00:53:39,280
you want from us? I mean, what's it gonna ask for the moon

749
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:44,480
as well? Or ask asked them
to state the Jews were on the Moon

750
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,519
two five thousand years ago. I
know, I'm just surprised that EU officials

751
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:50,800
weren't there in the first place.
It was off the record, so believing

752
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,599
they weren't posting on social media about
it. One thing. I mean,

753
00:53:54,119 --> 00:53:58,760
it's a remarkable place, and I
think if you're if you're you know,

754
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,239
I have my own person solution to
the issues in the Middle East and the

755
00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:07,239
West West Bank. I think they
need more Christians there. Um. Christians

756
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,559
are now a tiny, tiny minority
and they we just need to go there,

757
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:15,239
just more of us there is probably
a good thing. Um. But

758
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,039
so if you're listening, this is
you know, this is Mondy Thursday.

759
00:54:17,039 --> 00:54:21,039
A lot of people are gonna listen. It's on Good Friday if you're Jewish,

760
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,519
right, smack dab in the middle
of of Passover, if you're a

761
00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:28,519
Muslim, or right, smack dab
in the middle of Brahmadan. Because other

762
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:30,440
issues and we're in the middle of
a Holy week or near the end of

763
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,880
a week. Well, right,
we're in the middle whole week. Um,

764
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,199
if you could go there, go
there, because I do. I

765
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:42,039
mean, look the Hebrew Bible.
You know a bunch of that's also in

766
00:54:42,039 --> 00:54:45,440
the Quran. Same thing with the
New Testament. But I look at the

767
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,039
wall. If you look on the
wall of donors at the City of David,

768
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,679
you see a lot of American names. You see a lot of famous

769
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,320
American's, famous rich American names,
a lot of famous rich American Jewish names.

770
00:54:54,679 --> 00:54:58,440
Um, this is if this is
a world heritage, what would be

771
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:01,639
nice I think to see a lot
of Arab names, to see a lot

772
00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:07,280
of like you know, I mean
if you were also also if you're off

773
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,440
the tablets of the Islam maybe if
you that don't don't let him off.

774
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,840
I think also Episcopalian names. Rob
is going to write you a check the

775
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,599
minute. The minute. We yeah, that's right, we don't do that.

776
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,599
You know what. One of the
things that that is beautiful and I

777
00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:25,360
think not not focused on enough.
If you said it's it's Holy week for

778
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:30,320
for Christians, the middle of Ramadan
for for Islam, Passover for the Jewish

779
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:36,280
people, and in Jerusalem. As
complicated as things may be, Muslims are

780
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:37,679
ever to go to their heritage sites, and Christians are going to their heritage

781
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,760
sites, and Jews are going to
their heritage sites. And it's very easy

782
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:45,360
in the United States take for granted
values like freedom of worship, freedom of

783
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,599
religion, freedom of access. Uh
in the Middle East, don't take those

784
00:55:47,679 --> 00:55:52,559
values for granted because virtually, once
individual, they don't exist. And as

785
00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:54,400
much as people may say, well, Jerusalem, you have this issue or

786
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,920
that issue, the fact that that
during this this week where you have for

787
00:55:59,039 --> 00:56:02,400
billions of people is at the center
of the world. Everyone is able to

788
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:07,280
access their holy places, their heritage
sites, to connect with their history,

789
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,400
their heritage, including it the city
of David. And I think that's something

790
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:15,880
that oftentimes gets overlooked with all the
focus. And if I made just sixty

791
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:22,000
seconds on it's difficult to explain,
but sixty seconds on the effect that visiting

792
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:23,679
yu ZeVA, the City of David, had on me. That at the

793
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:31,119
top of the archaeological works, there
are thick walls and they look out over

794
00:56:31,159 --> 00:56:38,639
the valley and it fits the Bible. David was here, David was here,

795
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:44,320
and then you were kind enough to
take us down to Siloam and then

796
00:56:44,599 --> 00:56:51,360
the tunnel partly excavated where we could
stand up, and those huge stones which

797
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:55,920
are as big as the stones and
what we call the whaling wall, and

798
00:56:57,119 --> 00:57:02,800
my feet were on those stones that
two thousand years ago. Sandals were treading

799
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:08,199
across those stones, Jews from around
the world, including a Jew called Jesus.

800
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:16,719
It is somehow staggering to remind yourself
to standing there. You're reminded of

801
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:22,320
the basic fact that we all believe
somehow, even if you whether you believe

802
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,440
Jesus, whatever your view on the
divine aspect, but we all believe somehow

803
00:57:27,039 --> 00:57:31,039
that the root of Western civilization is
those people. And when you stand where

804
00:57:31,039 --> 00:57:38,920
they stood, they were real.
They were real. I just have two

805
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:45,840
impressions there. One is you cut
into the earth, and of course archaeologists

806
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:52,119
know all that stuff. So you
cut into the earth and twenty ft down,

807
00:57:52,119 --> 00:57:53,760
twelve whatever it is, eighteen feet
down, and so there's layers.

808
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,719
They can see the layers in the
cross section of the earth. And one

809
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:02,480
of those layers not that that thick, but it's entirely black. It's like

810
00:58:02,639 --> 00:58:07,679
charcoal, and like that shouldn't really
be there, except that in the year

811
00:58:07,719 --> 00:58:13,880
eighty I think the Romans burned it
all down. They burned the city down,

812
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,199
they burned the temple down, they
burned it all down, and over

813
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:22,239
whatever it is two thousand years that
soot, the actual ash of the city

814
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:27,519
has been compacted and compacted into I
don't know, it was like eight inches

815
00:58:27,719 --> 00:58:34,119
maybe twelve inches, maybe not that
much of black soot that you can take

816
00:58:34,199 --> 00:58:38,760
your index finger and swipe it through
and you are carrying out your finger is

817
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:45,039
now black with the soot of the
ancient city of Jerusalem, of the houses

818
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:53,320
and sheds and wooden structures that line
that road when Jesus walked it. And

819
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:57,519
it's just sort of extraordinary to the
think, oh no, this is And

820
00:58:57,559 --> 00:58:59,639
I say you one other thing,
it's like, you know, I read

821
00:58:59,679 --> 00:59:01,360
about this my column this week for
Washington Examine, or like if you go,

822
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:06,599
you know, you go Eastern Sunday
is Sunday and then good at piscopalions

823
00:59:06,639 --> 00:59:07,760
like me, we go, we
put on a fancy pink bow tie and

824
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,960
we kind of dressed at a little
wild, and we think, well,

825
00:59:10,039 --> 00:59:14,320
this is how we're going to celebrate
Easter. Right in Jerusalem, they go

826
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:19,320
a little crazy. There's like candles
and flame everywhere, and people are running

827
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,559
around, lighting each other on lighting
canils on fire. It's amazing. No,

828
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:27,960
no one's actually self immolated there,
so it's easy for us. And

829
00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:30,119
you know the West, you know
here to like, you know, everything's

830
00:59:30,159 --> 00:59:32,199
kind of contained and simple and in
a box and kind of historic, kind

831
00:59:32,239 --> 00:59:37,039
of almost hypothetical, imagined imagination.
But when you're actually standing on the rocks,

832
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:42,440
the actual stones, it just takes
on a different a different feeling.

833
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,239
And I think that's that's kind of
maybe I'm trying to your mouth kind of

834
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:51,880
what you're trying to say is that
this isn't just faith, this is fact,

835
00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:54,920
and there is something about the modern
mind that needs that. And if

836
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:59,559
you're looking for that, you can
find it right there underneath the city as

837
00:59:59,639 --> 01:00:04,599
the you can hear the traffic rumble
over it. You're underneath underneath the street.

838
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,039
It's pretty amazing. So so like
let's get when the when is it

839
01:00:08,039 --> 01:00:10,519
going to be open? When when
can people actually go and see this?

840
01:00:13,159 --> 01:00:15,599
Well, there are portions of the
First of all, the City of David

841
01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:17,639
is open. We have over a
million visitors a year. Poula side Lam

842
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,880
as we mentioned, you can go
see it, the King David Palace excavation

843
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,639
and go see it. And there's
a portion of the Pilgrimage Road right next

844
01:00:23,639 --> 01:00:27,639
to the Pula sid Lam that visitors
could can also go see the area that

845
01:00:27,679 --> 01:00:30,719
you mentioned with the ash that probably
about two years from now we're hoping that

846
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:35,199
we'll have the north south connection from
the pool all the way up through the

847
01:00:35,199 --> 01:00:37,840
city of David, that half mile
journey coming out of the footsteps of the

848
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:39,840
Western Wall and the Temple mount.
And one of the things that I think

849
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,840
is special about the ash that you
make a reference to from when the Romans

850
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,440
destroyed Jerusalem in the year seventy is
that represented the period of the destruction right

851
01:00:47,519 --> 01:00:54,239
of Jerusalem at that time. And
yet when people walk on the Pilgrimage Road

852
01:00:54,280 --> 01:01:00,199
today, it's the same descendants of
those people who walked at two thousand years

853
01:01:00,239 --> 01:01:01,440
ago. This is not the terms
of the College Fum where it's once upon

854
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:06,360
a time the sharaohs of the Great
Roman Empire that are today in museums and

855
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,199
history books with some monuments left behind. That the people who walk through the

856
01:01:09,239 --> 01:01:13,239
city of David at the Pool of
Seidal on the Pilgrimage Road from thousands of

857
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,760
years ago, it's their descendants who
are going to walk on it in a

858
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,760
few years time, many of whom
works at the same God haven't then cuts

859
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:22,360
some traditions, festivals as their ancestors
did from thousands of years ago. And

860
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,480
where else do you have that?
And I think the symbolism of the ash

861
01:01:24,639 --> 01:01:28,599
is in the one hand, that
represents destruction. But on the other hand,

862
01:01:28,719 --> 01:01:30,559
when you look at that ash today
in twenty twenty three, and you

863
01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:34,280
look at you're standing in Jerusalem,
in the city of David, the capital

864
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,639
of the State of Israel, is
that, yeah, in the year seventy

865
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,159
that seemingly was the end of the
story, except that it wasn't, because

866
01:01:40,159 --> 01:01:45,199
two thousand years later, Jerusalem is
thriving and the Jewish people and Christians are

867
01:01:45,199 --> 01:01:47,840
coming back walking in the footsteps of
their ancestors, of their heritage. And

868
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,280
when you look at the challenges that
I think both of our nations today,

869
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,480
whether in Israel or the United States, that our nations are facing, I

870
01:01:54,519 --> 01:01:58,119
think the ash symbolizes that it does
not have to be the end of the

871
01:01:58,159 --> 01:02:00,920
story. That sometimes you know,
the Passover a festival, the Stater that

872
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,920
we celebrated the other night. One
of the things we eat is the bitter

873
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,360
herbs, and we make a blessing
on the earth, thanking God for giving

874
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:08,719
us these bitter herbs, and saying, well, why are you thanking God

875
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:13,039
to eat the bitter herbs? And
it doesn't Sometime you go through a hard

876
01:02:13,079 --> 01:02:15,639
period, but if you can endure, you actually come out sharg on the

877
01:02:15,719 --> 01:02:20,320
other side. And I think that's
the legacy of Jerusalem. The City of

878
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,719
David is lots of ups and downs, lots of shortcomings, lots of destruction,

879
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,559
but we keep coming back and we
keep rebuilding. And I think the

880
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,239
heritage that both of our great nations
are both upon, that's our story,

881
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:34,360
which is, yeah, we're gonna
step back sometimes, but we're gonna keep

882
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,519
going. A virtual three hundred sixty
degree tour can be found at City of

883
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:42,599
David dot org dot i l and
there'll be a linkold Rigochete dot com where

884
01:02:42,599 --> 01:02:46,599
you can go and take a look. Zev thank you next year in Jerusalem,

885
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:51,159
even this year in Jerusalem. Lots
to see you guys again soon.

886
01:02:51,559 --> 01:02:53,880
Happy pass Over, if that's the
right way to put it. Christians say

887
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:59,079
Happy Easter, Happy pass Over,
that's right, and happy Holy Week,

888
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:20,280
God bless thank you. We'll be
right back after this when Rob mentioned prohibition,

889
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,039
though, for some reason, my
mind went back to one of my

890
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:27,519
favorite things about prohibition, which was
this grape brick they used to sell.

891
01:03:28,639 --> 01:03:36,199
You could order this brick of compressed
grapes, and with it came with it

892
01:03:36,199 --> 01:03:39,599
came a set of wonderful instructions that
told you everything not to do or it

893
01:03:39,639 --> 01:03:43,840
would turn into wine. This was
to make. This was to make just

894
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:50,239
juice. But it's like, don't
put it in a glass bottle with sugar,

895
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:54,320
with sugar, don't put that bottle
in the dark, and don't leave

896
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,880
it alone for two to three weeks. I mean, it's just great.

897
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,639
And you know, the government did
try to do what the good about it.

898
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,239
Maybe that's what we should do when
it comes to some of these positions.

899
01:04:03,239 --> 01:04:08,599
It just phrased them in the negative. But I heard somebody draw breath.

900
01:04:08,639 --> 01:04:10,800
I was about to no, No, I'm just I have There's a

901
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:15,079
little touch of a family story there
that my mother grew up on a farm

902
01:04:15,119 --> 01:04:21,480
and my grandfather operated a water powered
sawmill, and every autumn that sawmill was

903
01:04:23,079 --> 01:04:27,840
rejiggered. The pulleys moved around to
turn it into an apple press, and

904
01:04:28,039 --> 01:04:32,360
farmers from miles and miles and miles
around, brought apples to be pressed right

905
01:04:32,599 --> 01:04:38,519
so that they could have cider.
And it wasn't until years later that I

906
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:43,760
tweaked to what was going on there. At least in part. It was

907
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:49,800
a pretty Protestant group in that area
of northwestern northeastern Pennsylvania. But there but

908
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:55,760
so you'd think there may certainly my
grandparents were teetotalers, but there were there

909
01:04:55,800 --> 01:05:00,800
were some hard cider being drunk in
those summers and winters there in Montrose,

910
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,440
Pennsylvania. It wasn't just whiskey.
It was cider that helped the American Revolution

911
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:17,800
in the American culture spring up.
That's right, rob is the the drink

912
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:24,079
that you would associate with New Orleans. It would be the Sasarek. That's

913
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:30,079
probably the first cocktail ever invented.
It was invented in the pace showed by

914
01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:33,960
Antoine pay showed who was a pharmacist
at an apothecarist. He had an apothecara

915
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:39,800
on Charter Street. And it is
you rinse your rinse a rocks glass,

916
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,159
old fashioned glass with herb saint just
rinse. It put some retain in so

917
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:47,920
you get the scent a little bit
of a little bit of sugar um ice

918
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:53,519
rye and a dash of pace showed
bitters, which turns it which is a

919
01:05:53,559 --> 01:05:58,000
red red bitters and you kind of
swirl around the glass and maybe garnish it

920
01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:01,679
with a lemon peel if you're that
inclined to that. It is a delicious,

921
01:06:01,719 --> 01:06:05,480
delicious drink. And I will,
by the way, understanding and responding

922
01:06:05,519 --> 01:06:11,440
to your segue, James, I
will actually be having one, well at

923
01:06:11,519 --> 01:06:15,679
least one, probably several in New
Orleans in two weeks with the Ricochet meet

924
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:17,719
up. So if you want to
come to New Orleans, I think of

925
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:24,880
the big day is is that Friday, April thirteen. Um, really,

926
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,800
so it's a week away, says
I say two weeks only momently it's a

927
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:34,320
week away Friday, April thirteen.
We are all meeting in New Orleans.

928
01:06:33,079 --> 01:06:39,360
M Thursday, April thirteen, Friday, apricriening having a big party. We

929
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,679
want you to come, So a
Ricochet meet up. That's the fun of

930
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:45,800
Ricochet. It's not just these brilliant
podcasts. It's also the joy of getting

931
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,360
together in real life. So that's
a little bit away. And then after

932
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:55,360
that, UM, on April twenty
second, there'll be a meeting in still

933
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:59,400
Water, Minnesota. I don't know
if you're going to be there, James.

934
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,679
And then there's one coming up in
mid July from Winston Salem and that

935
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:05,519
stuff's being worked out. And Mike
Baster just sent notice about an annual German

936
01:07:05,559 --> 01:07:10,360
Fest extravagands it will be happening in
Milwaukee in late July. A member she

937
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,920
not she liked the president of China, but she liked the member of Ricochet

938
01:07:14,679 --> 01:07:17,000
is wondering members want to meet up
for the in the Pittsburgh area for the

939
01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:20,800
Willie Nelson concert, which is actually
kind of fun. But look, if

940
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:24,760
you can't make these, they're too
far away, whatever reason. Here's the

941
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:28,880
solution. You join Ricochet. You
go on ricochet dot com. You tell

942
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,320
everybody your fellow members, hey,
I want to have a meet up here

943
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:35,800
on these dates, and they'll come
to you. Because Ricochet people travel to

944
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:41,400
get together, and I will be
traveling to get sasarek. Great thing about

945
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,400
the members apprechie, by the way, is that if you post a meme

946
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:49,559
that's a bit mocking, you probably
won't go to prison. As far as

947
01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:54,039
we know, hadn't happened yet.
President hasn't been set, but there's just

948
01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:57,920
a horrible story. I can't get
my head around this. There's this guy,

949
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:01,320
I forget his name, was one
of your basic social media guys who

950
01:08:01,519 --> 01:08:05,119
puts up the memes, and he
put out a meme about you can vote

951
01:08:05,159 --> 01:08:10,599
for Hillary Clinton online, text your
vote two with a phone number. He's

952
01:08:10,599 --> 01:08:15,360
facing prison. You know this story, right? No, I don't really

953
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,319
truly willing to win the story.
I wish I could get the guy's name

954
01:08:18,359 --> 01:08:21,279
off the top of my hand.
But he put that he was charged with

955
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:26,199
election interference, trying to deprive people
of their right to vote, etcetera,

956
01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:29,880
etcetera, which is kind of like
that thing that they also charged Trump with

957
01:08:29,239 --> 01:08:32,680
with election interference that paying off Stormy
Daniel. So the story didn't get out

958
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,479
was elected because people would be less
likely to vote for him if they knew

959
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:39,840
about it. Really, Donald,
I mean, we kind of knew this

960
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:43,880
guy was one of the shock all
through the eighties and nine. This is

961
01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:46,960
not a surprise. This would not
change his my concept of his behavior.

962
01:08:47,119 --> 01:08:50,520
But anyway, this guy's facing prison
time for putting out a meme that said

963
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:56,600
call this number and text your vote
to Hillary, as he was attempting to

964
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:00,920
capitalize, perhaps on the stupid,
but it was obviously a joke. It's

965
01:09:01,079 --> 01:09:05,520
it's that, it's how many times
do you see that little meme on Twitter,

966
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:09,520
where well, it Democrats vote on
Tuesday, Republicans you vote on Wednesday,

967
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:13,039
or some little joke like that that
that assumes the other side is dumb

968
01:09:13,079 --> 01:09:15,920
and does something like that. There
was somebody who did it for Hillary as

969
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:19,079
well, or you did it for
Trump, but since it wasn't as professional

970
01:09:19,159 --> 01:09:24,239
looking as this troll guy's stuff,
they have charged her. No, he

971
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:31,680
used similar typefaces and color schemes and
he's facing jail time. Man, I

972
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:39,079
can't I can't last you can it? Well, it has to fall on

973
01:09:39,159 --> 01:09:42,520
day. It has to be I
mean appealed because he's found guilty. I

974
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:44,159
don't know what the sentence is going
to be, but it has to be

975
01:09:44,159 --> 01:09:48,159
appealed on just basic First Amendment rights. Unless people actually think that putting a

976
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:53,840
lame meme on Twitter is the equivalent
of shouting fire in a crowded theater,

977
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:57,119
which itself isn't even illegal. All
right, you guys don't have an opinion

978
01:09:57,119 --> 01:09:59,880
on that, well, I know
you do, and you're again the other

979
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,279
big story of the week of course, brace yourself. A lot of people

980
01:10:02,319 --> 01:10:06,319
are saying, thank god, I
have a reason to never drink bud Light

981
01:10:06,359 --> 01:10:12,399
again. Do you know this one? No, I don't know that one.

982
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:14,640
Yeah, I do know this one. But I'll take any reason you

983
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:15,960
can give me. I should make
this the quiz of the quiz at the

984
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,319
end of the week. Rob,
Yeah, we should do that. Actually,

985
01:10:18,359 --> 01:10:25,720
should we do thing? Rob explained
it to Peter. Bud Light Budweiser

986
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:31,800
product has named a new spokesperson,
a person I was not aware existed.

987
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,319
And when I said I was hard
as to a bunch of people, I

988
01:10:34,399 --> 01:10:39,359
was like roundly criticized for being in
just completely out of it. A person

989
01:10:39,399 --> 01:10:45,520
named Dylan Mulvaaney who is a trans
activist and a controversial one because sometimes people

990
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:49,800
believe even people who are sort of
um transpositive. I guess I don't know

991
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:54,520
if they were to be people who
are not sort of already thinking this is

992
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:58,520
all nuts, are thinking that maybe
this is some kind of horrible caricature that

993
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:02,880
this person is doing. But a
bud Light is named dillamavanius spokesperson, and

994
01:11:03,079 --> 01:11:08,399
it's gotten sort of has like I
think, has a new trans trender pro

995
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:13,600
trans logo on some cans of bud
Light. It's unclear to me that bud

996
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:17,239
Light. Uh, they're not for
general company, not for general distribution.

997
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:21,239
It was a huge company though,
right right, right, he thinks the

998
01:11:21,239 --> 01:11:25,479
Bush family of Saint Louis anymore.
They sold it a decade to go to

999
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:29,319
Yeah, what was the huge his
beer? Right? They got a Yeah,

1000
01:11:29,359 --> 01:11:31,640
they got a million billion trillion dollars. They spend every day on marketing

1001
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:36,880
and audience research and customer research.
I think they need their money back.

1002
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:42,600
I'm not sure that they're connecting with
the bud Light drinker, but maybe that's

1003
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:45,000
just me. Well yeah, And
then some people went on to say that

1004
01:11:45,039 --> 01:11:46,279
actually, if you go to gate
Bars, bud Light is the preferred beer.

1005
01:11:46,279 --> 01:11:49,439
This they know their market. It
wasn't for general release. It was

1006
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:54,119
just they made a few cans for
him because he's an important trender influencer.

1007
01:11:54,159 --> 01:11:56,520
And I want to gag as I
say those words. It doesn't matter.

1008
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:00,560
It got out. People saw with
the sensibilities and the these lade saw a

1009
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:06,840
little TikTok the other day from good
who was giving any Bush a message.

1010
01:12:08,359 --> 01:12:12,479
I got out his AAR fifteen and
shot up about three cases worth of Budweiser

1011
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:16,199
products and said he's never drinking it
again, which is great. Travis the

1012
01:12:16,199 --> 01:12:21,960
Country Western Star said he's removing Anheuser
Bush products from all of his concert writers.

1013
01:12:24,119 --> 01:12:26,000
A lot of people are just saying, Okay, I get it,

1014
01:12:26,039 --> 01:12:29,039
I get it. This is what
you is, where your values are mine

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or elsewhere. The reason that they're
doing it is probably because in order to

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improve their di score, in order
to make themselves to be able to have

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something to point to when the activists
come around and say, nice beer empire

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you have. You be ashamed if
anybody picketed you for not being sufficiently diverse

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and enthusiastic about multiplicity of things you're
supposed to be enthusiastic about that they buy

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off future trouble by doing something like
this. It's inane if you ask me,

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because what the end of alienating is
remarkable. Jack Daniels is the latest

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who have done our Jack Daniels Canada
announced on their Twitter feed that they are

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partnering with RuPaul in order to have
a Drag Queen's Summer Camp. Now.

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Jack Daniels is not exactly my go
to whiskey, but the idea that a

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brand with that sort of image and
heritage and Tennessee and all the rest of

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it would then throw its lot in
with these creatures who are esthetically appalling hericatures,

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the long nails and the Dolly Partney
hair and the godly cosmetics. This

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is Jack Daniels wants to be part
of this click too, And I can't

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help but think it's the same thing. You're trying to forestall future protests by

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saying, well, look what we
bought here. But the expanse to their

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image amongst people who actually care about
these things is enormous. It just is.

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It's it's remarkably bad publicity, and
it just reminds me. It makes

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you think how many tone deaf young
folks work in their social media area and

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think, well, everybody loves drag, and only really bad, awful people

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who have very close narrow minds don't
realize how wonderful dragon. Well, anyway,

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I've just been rambling too long.
It's time to get out of here,

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because you know, not every podcast
can be ninety minutes, two hundred

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01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,079
and twenty and so forth. I
have to tell you, fast growing trees

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have probably grown maybe an interest.
So since last I talked about them,

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export them for supporting us, and
you get a great tree in the bargain.

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Take a few minutes sleeve as the
five star review if you wouldn't mind,

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And don't worry when I say that
we'll see you at the comments at

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Ricochet four point zero. It won't
be four point oh forever. What do

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I mean? Go there? Find
out next week, guys, next week,

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Thanks week, fellas. I am
Andrew Gutman and I'm Beth Feely,

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and we're a couple of accidental activist
parents who woke up and started speaking out

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about issues that we saw in our
children's schools. So join us every week

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on Take Back our Schools on the
Ricochet Audio Network or wherever you get your

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