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How about, Friends welcome, once
again to coffee colloquium with you, Mauricio

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and Raúl Cortés. Throughout history,
religion has played a fundamental role in the

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lives of different civilizations and peoples.
Although there are different doctrines, some elements

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are common to many groups, including
faith in a higher entity, the realization

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of sacred rituals and, in some
cases, belief in reincarnation. How are

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you, Raúl, How are you, Mauricio? All right, well-

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welcome sir, to say something different
and interesting about the theme of incarnation.

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What you can think of when I
say reincarnation. In which country do you

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think man of a one like moving
to India immediately will be because that'

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s where most we see information about
this kind of situational view is possibly,

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but later we' ll look at
that. Maevo, Bueno, Raúl,

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a very special greeting also for all
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that they have enjoyed it their way,

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continue with the normal year. Of
course I do. Mauro, and it

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is very interesting to return to the
subject of reincarnation. Mauro, the religions

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I read, all the religions in
the world have a belief system, they

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have a dogma, they have rituals
and I, I think something and I

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want to share it with you and
all the listeners. And it is that

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if in many religions and especially those
on this side of the world, let

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us say the West and our region, in Latin America, which is Catholicism

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or Christianity, whether Protestantism or Catholicism, we have been educated religiously and we

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firmly believe in heaven or hell or
purgatory, in the intercession of the saints.

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This is all true. Why not
also believe in maura reincarnation, why

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not, why not? Likewise,
it is perfectly possible, perfectly credible,

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just as we believe in the currents
that everyone believes. It is true,

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of course, that they are spiritual
religious in the thought of each one and

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as we have been raised as such, but it is what you say that

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is very correct, Raul, if
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and went to heaven and that he
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they have taught us, because we
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reincarnation and that theme and many other
nuances. Then, along the course of

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the episode, we will then be
talking about what reincarnation is the nuances,

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like is Raúl, which even deal
with some events and testimonies that leave us

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Raúl, then I invite you to
serve us a coffee and to start with

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this topic. Give him good coffee
in hand. Then we start with today

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' s theme, which is reincarnation. When we speak of recapture, what

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is reincarnation, man, Reincarnation,
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an individual after he dies. Let' s say the biological or the bodily

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that consciousness or that mind or that
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or has the successive existence in another
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of what reincarnation is, is having
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another body. And yes, more
words. You didn' t just define

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it very well raul, very clear
and there are a number of concepts.

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A lot of one of them is
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reborn as another person. Right,
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a man. She may be a
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But we also believe that we are
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animal or any other form of biological
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dare to say that plants also participate. There are very tremendous beliefs there,

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but that' s what we'
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that order of ideas. I would
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was a Greek historian. It turns
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now quotes, says the following.
Egyptians are the first to uphold the

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doctrine that man' s soul is
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it is introduced into another animal that
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through all the land animals, the
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is reintroduced into the body of a
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in a period of three thousand years. There are Greeks who adopted this doctrine,

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some before and some later, as
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Although I know their names, I
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up saying Herodoctor and how interesting that, although I know his name, he

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didn' t write them. Who
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was referring to Plato, possibly he
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like Pythagoras. Mauro then looks at
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hero, talking about Egyptian culture,
which was one of the oldest cultures and

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in which we first began to talk
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process of reincarnation. But then I
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into which religions began to shape the
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So look, if we go,
for example, Hinduism, very interesting

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to see that in Hinduism reincarnation is
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death and rebirth. So they who
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through multiple lives based on the karma
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the way you behaved. So that' s from Hinduism, from Hinduism.

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Something similar happens with Buddhism. Not
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believed, and is that Buddhism shares
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in reincarnation, where it is believed
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death and rebirth, death and rebirth
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or rather, by karma what you
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However, the ultimate goal in Buddhism
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is the nirvana that is basically to
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of reincarnation, of that wheel and
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tranquility and to become part of that
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a state of the soul, not
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a state of this tranquility, that
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the cycle of reincarnation and from the
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That' s good Mauroy man and
listener. There is a religion called Jainism.

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That is very interesting for this religion, because they are very, very,

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very, very attached and very literal, I could say, very severe,

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very orthodox in that as far as
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that they are so respectful of this
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a kind of mouthcap that they put
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much ceased that explosion when uttering the
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to the wind, because it also
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It is believed that in reincarnation,
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Sansara wheel, that the wheel reaches
that wheel where you are born dies reborn,

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you die until you clean your can
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censara is where souls go through multiple
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be it karma. Something about that
and remembered you know that so that they

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get an idea that maybe isn'
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that movie of Tibet where seven years
in the Tiberian you remember that he is

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doing a construction and the monks who
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that are on earth and not going
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some form of life. Well,
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this movie, as such you speak
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there' s one that' s
pgism. This is also very interesting,

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because in cycling it is believed that
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and rebirth. Souls are continually reincarnated
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God. It' s something I
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it another way, I don'
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is important to give clarity and is
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He is from India and was born
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therefore, of what is Jainism,
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But when we talk about religions and
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get out of there too. Indigenous
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involved. It' s just that
Mabro looks at the theme you' re

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dealing with of these indigenous religions and
the system of spiritual beliefs. These religious

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groups also hold the belief in reincarnation, although the beliefs in reincarnation are very

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different, let us say so,
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are some of the main religions that
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borne in mind that there are other
traditions and belief systems that also embrace this

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concept in different ways and according to
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Mauro. There are some esoteric traditions, such as non- stylistism, neo

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- paganism, theosophy, which was
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Western mysticism also believe in reincarnation.
And we are already talking about movements of

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religious mystical knowledge from the West,
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or East, but the West.
You know, it really caught my attention

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when we were doing the research,
you know, the incarnation. I believe

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that also Christianity, in its primary
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that belief of reincarnation. Man one
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opposite, but it seems that,
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in the early years of Christianity,
in the new Testament itself there were some

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references to the truth of the phenomenon
of reincarnation. It is said that it

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would simply try to interpret some evangelical
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still considered today and valid for the
religious institutions we know today, such as

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the Catholic Church, the Orthodox Church
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enter all evangelical movements or twentycostal movements. It turns out that there was a

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reincarnation current, but it did not
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because the Church' s parents,
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parents, were those who laid the
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already formed, because Catholicism protestantimor orthodoxy. These priests of the Church condemned authors

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as filon and origins who were also
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works explaining pre- existence. You
know the pre- existence. Mauro had

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other videos exactly the fact that he
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with this, who were professing philoni
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fathers of the churches were very well
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theologians or also fervent Christian and in
an ecumenical council that they held in the

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city of Constantinople in the year five
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forbidden reincarnationism, but look that until
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believed in pre- existence and reincarnation, that is, by decision of some

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men of flesh and bone people.
Then they decided that they didn' t

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say so. Let' s just
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PhD of Christianity. Let' s
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gospels that they said, They said
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but they have much value, like
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Book. They also took him out
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much as the Gospel of Thomas,
like many texts that even found in the

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cave with ran these characters who are
the ones who put like the ones who

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handle the canon, which means the
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these texts are not inspired by YOU. And if they say that not inspired

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ahead of the good sacr, as
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realizing that this is not something exclusive
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We can find as a reference of
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the Christians themselves in their early stages
there is something, there is another

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more than that which you spoke of
was Vedism, of Vedism India. Mauro

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said the Bedis. Mouro did say
that in Vedism, in books like the

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Ubanized, Hispanized or the Vague Aguita, he explains the body as an illusion.

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That makes a lot of sense to
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means that our bodies truly represent reality. I mean, you and I are

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beings. We could say spiritual,
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but they really are not. We
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apparently seeing this reality in some bodies, it is not true, but from

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elchos we are manifested that we are
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They said that yes, of course, that we do not make the illusion

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that they are true, when in
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adopt to purify and achieve final salvation. And that transcendence and I find it

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very interesting. It strikes me very
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not thought at some point that this
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when they are already very old,
want to free themselves. And the same

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apostle Paul, in the book of
Romeros, said miserable of me and who

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errs and truths this body of death
and sin you remember and of course,

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many think of that. Suddenly you
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I think that in the years of
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much so. I think you'
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guess you start thinking the body is
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weigh the body, you start to
feel the tired person. But how interesting

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what the Upanishads and the Vaguita Waga
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reality, this body we think reality, but it is an appearance. It

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seems to me they are very wise
books, you knew Mauro that the Upanishad

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and the Agita Waga, which is
the song of Lord Khrisna. These books

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are much older than the Bible.
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and they don' t precede it
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in thousands of years, thousands of
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the Vagaba guita very interesting. I
have it and speak about the soul,

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the permanence of the soul and the
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which are also ancient religious poems,
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said floor, but it is that
you said it now not only Hinduism,

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cykhism, chintoism, bedism, there
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of Pythagoras and Platonics. For example, Pythagoras said that the soul does not

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pass from one body to another among
higher races, but does so among all

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living beings, as his doctrine of
the kinship of all living beings or universal

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sympathy says. However, it can
serve as a point of reference for us

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to understand the concept that the Greeks
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was. You know one thing Mauro
and it is very interesting this aspect that

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the Greeks handled in reincarnation, but
they had a variant that called the transmutation

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or transmigration of the soul, the
transmigration of the soul, and it was

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that when a person was dying in
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went out and entered another being it
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but it was also a species of
belief in reincarnation. Well, raul,

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right now, let' s start
talking about what interests us, in fact,

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what draws our attention, what motivates
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Yeah, because everything we' ve
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let' s talk about the Maura
cases. There are many, there

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are many, but let' s
try these minutes remaining, let' s

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try to address one of Mauro Te
brought you and the listeners, the case

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of the Poloc sisters surname Poloc.
It turns out that on May 5th of

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a thousand nine hundred and fifty-
seven, to be very exact, one

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Sunday they lived near the sea in
the north of the Bay. His name

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was Willay Bay. This family,
Apollo, was headed very hurriedly. They

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were going fast for the church.
The family is made up of the father,

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the mother and the daughters of the
marriage, who were Johanna eleven years

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old and jack Line is six.
Then the girls went ahead, so Rana

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and Jack Lin did go ahead,
because to get there quickly, quickly to

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the church and across the street to
reach that destination, to which they were

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going with great haste. Unfortunately,
they were run over by a vehicle that

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killed them in a violent way and
ended up there with their lives. In

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an instant, these little gems were
killed. So, John and Florence,

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they were his parents. John and
Florence Polloc, imagined that they could never

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recover between this terrible death, this
brutal event and the death of their little

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daughters after a year of all that
tormented loss, of so much pain,

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of so much suffering. As you
think Mauro that the Pollok family surprisingly discovered

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that they were again in pregnancy and
Maurumote for twins again twins. They also

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again had twins who were born on
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fifty- eight remember that they die. The two former gemelites that they had

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died in May of a thousand nine
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of a thousand nine hundred and fifty- eight. They have them again and

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become pregnant and have two daughters and
twins again. You know they were born

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ten minutes apart. Then it was
called remember, that the previous one called

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Johanna and Jack Line. These two
were Gillian and Jennifer. Then things started

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to get weird, when the twins
turned three and started talking. You know

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they started talking, talking like they
lived before, talking like they were Johanna

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and Jackelin to remember their best or
things. Imagine that they started each one

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taking from the toys he had in
his past life. They knew the tastes,

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they knew the friendly things was yours
and they already knew the house,

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the spaces, everything even the clothes, the clothes, the conversations. And

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the most disturbing thing the parents heard
was when one day the two of them

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were sorita talking and saying remember when
we died and as such it was so

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impressive if I remember blood coming out
of my mouth when they ran over our

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car and started listening to that kind
of thing and the parents were impressed,

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but it turns out that when they
turned five, they stopped experiencing those strange

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behaviors. The same age in which
some people who devote themselves to this issue

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claim. It is the limit to
remembering past lives when it seems to you,

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because tremendous tremendous, if, you
remind me of when you talk about

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the limit, it will remember a
very nice text. I recommend it for

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listeners and it' s the most
beautiful story in the world. Yeah,

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that' s where I leave the
data for them to listen to. It

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' s very interesting. Raúl there
is a case that in those days of

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investigation, reverent to the issue of
reincarnation, there is probably a lot,

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yes, but I consider this soon
one of the most relevant, with more

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excitement than we could talk about.
And it' s actually very, very,

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very attractive, shocking, shocking.
It smells like your head' cause

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it' s really tremendous. Look
I' m going to tell you about

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a lady named Chanti Tevit Chanti davy
c of India that this woman was from

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India. I tell you, this
woman was born on December 11th of a

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thousand nine hundred and twenty- six
and her life ended on December 27th.

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Also in December of nineteen hundred and
eighty- seven, she was born in

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New Deli. It turns out that
this woman, being a child, was

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about six to seven or eight years
old, begins to show her parents that

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she missed her former family, her
previous family and said that she did not

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belong to that family, that she
already had another family. The parents,

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they said, but like that,
if you' re our daughter, you

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' re born, there' s
your mom, I' m your dad,

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start that Chally insistence. When they
take it very seriously, parents start

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investigating. There' s a man, a research scientist who' s dedicated

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specifically to this, a man of
a lot of reindeer. This is taken

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to the newspaper, a newspaper that
spreads throughout India and this gets to the

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ears, nothing more and nothing less
than Gandhi, that interesting and right now,

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that was so relevant, so tremendous
this case, that Gandy forms a

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commission to follow it up, to
see how true it was that they get

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in touch with the other family.
But wait for me to put you in

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context this girl being a child,
I said I have a husband, a

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girl like that seven years, seven
years or so, I have a husband.

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My husband is more or less a
chubby man, has a mole or

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wart on his face and wears glasses
to read it. As I tell you,

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New Delhi was born, but then
she says that her place of origin

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was a city that was one hundred
and fifty kilometers from New Delley, as

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they get in touch with that family. According to the references he had given

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to the girl, this man can' t stand it and goes all the

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way to New Deli to meet this
girl, who claimed to be his wife

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of the previous life. Get to
this girl' s house. The first

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thing the girl does is that she
hangs this man' s neck with tears

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in her eyes and recognizes him as
her husband. He does the same with

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his son. This goes further.
It begins, as I say, to

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follow up on this case with the
Commission of which I tell you that Gandhy

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Van conformed to this population with this
girl arrive in the Plaza del Pueblo and

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say, start to recognize the whole
square. It says here is such a

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building, this way was that I
was walking this way is where I was

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passing it. Anyway, he gets
out of the car and says he wants

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to walk like when you already have
the tour in your head. When you

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go home, start walking. He
arrives at the house and as he went

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to the house like anyone else,
like a wild man. It says here

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this wasn' t here before,
here was a house, there was already

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a building. There lives Doña Julana
of such this is my neighbor so and

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finally arrives at the house. When
he gets home, that' s where

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the surprises start. You recognize your
father- in- law. Says this

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is my father- in- law, apparently her husband, for he was

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a man who had a temperament as
he was very nervous, but they were

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like a rather primary nervousness. Then
she suddenly became violent, aggressive and,

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apparently, much discussed the horita that
she began to tell her a number of

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things, for there they were surprised. And one of the things that the

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next rapul does goes to a matera, what they call elsewhere a pot and

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basically I' m talking about a
matter. It is where we sow a

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dough, then ornamental for the house. They dig this kill and discover a

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ring there. A ring was the
wedding ring, that is, the marriage

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ring. Ulta that she had had
an argument with her husband in the previous

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life, where she takes off the
ring and the husband claims it, already

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tells her I lost it as so
you lost it where I lost it.

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He never meant to tell him where
he had lost the ring, as it

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turns out he goes and digs into
that matter and there' s the ring.

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And he tells her. What happens
is that I was very upset with

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you and I didn' t mean
to tell you that I had buried and

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niched that I had a lot of
anger with you. Turns out there was

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the ring. But there' s
something even more tremendous going on and she

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' s telling her to come,
I' ll show her where. It

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is that you keep the silver and
went and showed him the specific place,

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the cove where the guy kept the
silver, that only he and she knew

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it as such, there were around
him a thousand rupees that the lord had

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there stored. I didn' t
know that, but that family. What?

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What? Possibilities. I knew this
girl knew where she was going.

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It' s impossible. She makes
a lot of grumbling claims to the one

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she supposedly was her husband in the
other time, in her previous life,

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which apparently she kind of put up
a lot of pain to die, tells

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her you promised me you weren'
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and he was married again. Then
it was one of the claims that I

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told him because I had failed him
and claimed that when he arrived at the

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house they had moved all the furniture, they had changed places. She didn

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' t like it, because she
liked how she had her furniture, because

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before, true, that woman never
married, she never had another family and

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as I tell you, because she
in weak chantip as such was born I

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repeat, a December 11th of a
thousand nine hundred and twenty- six and

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died a December 27th of a thousand
nine hundred and eighty- three sixty-

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eight years. Yeah, but he
tells you one thing in his previous life.

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She was born on January 18,
nineteen hundred and two, and died

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on October 4, nine hundred and
twenty- five, reincarnated about the following

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year. He reincarnated like the following
year, but died very young. In

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his previous life he also died about
twenty- three years old. This case

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is known as one of the most
relevant cases, most tremendous of which they

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have investigated about reincarnation, and the
city of birth was Endeli and the city

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before it was that it is one
hundred and fifty that the other era.

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That' s good. Amazing case. Unbelievable, because one leaves it as

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very thoughtful. There' s also
Mauro in the case of a four-

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year- old boy named Billy.
That happened in Australia, a four-

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year- old boy when he finished. To be good, tremendous. It

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' s very tremendous, because this
four- year- old boy claimed to

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be the reincarnation of the deceased Lady
D. It seems to you that the

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boy is the son of a famous
singer back in Australia, named David Campbell,

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and this is the lord of Vic
Cambell. He says that in various

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statements the child expressed when he began, when he was two years old,

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he began to speak from the age
of two, and began to declare that

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he was or had been Lady d
even though he was a child who had

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never heard of the British royal family, since a two- year- old

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boy who was going to hear that
and look at what he expresses. This

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kid looks at me when I was
a princess, Billy told his parents.

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After seeing a photograph of who was
the first wife of Prince Charles of England,

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that is, of Lady the parents
were seeing a magazine by chance came

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the photograph of Lady D and the
child exclaims in that way. That'

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s me when I was Lady D' s princess. And that' s

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not all. Imagine that David Campbell
commented that the child has reported that he

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had a brother named John, and
it should be remembered that the princess had

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Diana a brother named John Spencer.
So, imagine a two- year-

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old going out with that and another
of the aspects that are like the most

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striking about Billy is that he says
and describes with luxury details the castle of

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Valmoral that is in Scotland, which
belongs to the English royalty. This kid

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can count on hairs and signs like
that residence inside and out. So look,

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and we' re talking about it, the interesting thing about talking about

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this topic, Raul, is that
he comes back and I repeat, he

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' s not an exclusive phenomenon of
India. Look, we' ve already

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jumped to Australia, Australia, and
this kid says he was a lay person

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in his other life, a tremendous
two- year- old up to four.

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Speaking also of the subject ClauI.
There are many cases, there are

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many cases that we could talk about, but there is a very interesting case

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that we talked about and you told
me I was also doing a little research

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about a child. It' s
that with planes, yes, but,

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as you say, man could look
for us here time. And that'

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s not the case either. The
thing or the case you say in America,

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and it' s James Laininger'
s, is in America. James

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Laineger was a child who liked to
play with only one thing. You know

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with that airplanes and only with planes. So, when the boy turned two,

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everything changed and I' m going
to tell you how the kid started

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having horrible nightmares related to war aviation. His mother used to wake him up

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while shouting things like the boy in
the middle of his weight, she screamed

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a flaming plane. The man can' t get out. Dead man.

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Anyway, the nightmares didn' t
stop and his parents came to a therapist

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named Carol Bogman, who was dedicated
to the study of reincarnation, who worked

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on the case and managed to attract
the memory of the diverse child RNS remember

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he said, You know what he
said, that he had been a war

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pilot in World War II and belonged
to the American army, belonged to the

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American air force. As you think, because Mauro, already as you said,

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now we move from India to Australia
and now there is another case in

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the United States. Yeah, so
look, it' s not just isolated

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cases. There are many cases and
the shudders that this child gave very clear

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data. This boy James Laineger is
now about twenty- five years old.

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Yes, it turns out that when
he begins to speak, the parents begin

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to investigate him, and he begins
to make drawings as well. He'

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s starting to draw some pictures.
Where the plane is like landing on a

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plane, landing on an aircraft carrier
and says I lent this child that then,

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to surprise the parents, the child
tells them that he was landing on

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a ship called Nathoma, as the
mother went to intern and put a shot

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and appeared or that scene ana Toma
Bay, which was an aircraft carrier of

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the time in World War II.
Imagine, then, subsequent conversations with the

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minor this revealed that Jack Clarsen,
who would have been his combat pilot,

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who was on that boat and who
lived in Arkansas. The father, when

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he heard that, began to investigate, that' s not true. Then

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he did not hesitate to visit the
man since the boy mentioned and he re

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told him that the only pilot of
the declared missing crew was a twenty-

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one- year- old named James
M. Houston Jr. Apparently, this

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boy James had been in another life. Pilot James M. Houston Jr.

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Pretty interesting this case and I was
talking about three guys. He was playing

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and naming his characters, and he
was talking playing with these Ja Joe dolls.

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He named them Leon, Walter and
Billy. Then the parents of this

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child decided to investigate and discovered that
these names match three real names of the

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BC squadron. Eighty- one himself
who belonged to Jae Houston, the missing

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21- year- old pilot,
and who also died in battles to his

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three characters. When they asked the
child why those names, he said because

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they greeted me in the sky after
crashing me. Very tremendous, very tremendous

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this matter of the reincarnation roul already
coming to the end of this episode,

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final conclusions, I ask You and
also ask our listeners and how rich they

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would tell us about this. But
it has not happened to you that you

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sometimes have a lot of attraction for
a certain culture and because you have finished

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tastes for certain tastes or what they
call jabuo jabuo. How interesting that topic

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that you think you' ve already
lived that you' re seeing that you

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feel that you' ve already been
there, that you already lived x thing

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or when you came to a certain
place and you say I was already here,

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or I feel that it' s
family that lived, that it'

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s very familiar to you, it
didn' t happen to you, yes,

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of course it happened to me at
some point. I had that feeling

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on the beach, as I was
running around feeling like I was on a

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beach or submerged in the East Sea, I came to feel that and wanting

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and telling me about dreams, when
you dream of these dreams that are so

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lucid, so vivid, so vivid, where some scenarios beat you, in

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some locations that such as you were
in some other life, that you probably

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went in another life and that you
feel that you are in a part as

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well as familiar. Well, Mauro, I' m concluding the subject so

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we don' t get too long. I think it' s feasible.

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It is also possible to believe in
reincarnation, as we can believe in eternal

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life, as we can believe in
hell, in heaven, in paradise.

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I believe that it is also possible
and it may be quite possible that there

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is why, because we have a
bias of Western religions who believed little or

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wanted to deny the issue of respite. But I think that, opening one

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a little and not being so closed, reincarnation can be something real, it

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can be something true, it can
be something feasible and why not. Why

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there won' t be anything else
after life. We don' t know,

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or there' ll be life after
life. We don' t know

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it, but we have a choice
to consider it. That' s free.

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It does no harm to anyone and
why not, why not contemplate that

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possibility. You have to be open
to all the possibilities, to be open

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to all these kinds of beliefs and, above all, to practices that can

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provide you as a better person.
Well, we' re at the end

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of this episode. We really hope
you liked it. We hope they will

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write to us, tell us about
their experiences. We' ll be very

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attentive, raul We' ll hear
each other in an upcoming episode. Now

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