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episode for you today. That's gonna
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names who have found themselves in trade
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offseason. That's Bradley Beal, Victor
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Now, with that all out of
the way, Dan, how's it

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going. I am doing well over
here relative to the world crumbling around us

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as we anxiously wait on pins and
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no complaints beyond that. Everyone can
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will be far more impacted by the
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who will probably by the time this
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the winner. I was gonna say, I hope that this intro is outdated

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by the time it goes live.
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if it's not, damn, that's
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I've devoted way too much of my
mental energy to just like analyzing which counties

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have ballots remaining and what the vote
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I don't even want to use the
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personally, it's been incredibly tough to
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getting work done, and look,
this is let's just call it straight up.

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The election is the reason we only
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the reason that podcast is coming at
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gonna come just before it, but
we had a cancelation for a guest that

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was coming on. It's just been
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impossible not to follow if you care
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can't look away and I want to. And you can call it doom scrolling.

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You can call it an inundation or
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helpful because of how reactionary the takes. Then are you remember election night where

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the people were reacting to the betting
markets and then they wake up to like

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different results altogether. There was the
you know you talk to this about me.

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the red mirage that was going on. So it's just it is. It

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is exhausting, and it's definitely there's
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more so for people who are not
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feel for them. But hopefully,
like you said that, this this intro

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will be outdated by the time the
podcast drops. How have you been holding

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up though? I'm just I'm emotionally
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capital in this one. I worked
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Biden Harris campaign and made a lot
of get out the vote efforts and calling

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voters in the area and all that. So I'm just I'm ready to see

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the results. It paid off in
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but yeah, it's I'm just drained. You know, I'm ready to just

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feel twenty pounds lighter when the results
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the other thing that happens with all
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for us, specifically where we're dealing
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my time in sports so much because
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there's nothing like the inessentiality you feel
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elected to not even try and schedule. We're trying to figure out what we're

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gonna do with these team previews because
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now, it just seems like so
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plan for that, but like I
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people this week to try and schedule
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we'll just have to kick the can
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myself to like I don't want to
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and I just feel so I don't
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embarrassed or stupid to drop into like
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and be like, hey, you
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account, which I run the Twitter
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releasing the Crystal Basketball results team by
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enjoying those. But it just it
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on Wednesday morning, so you know, we kicked it one day down the

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road, and even releasing it Thursday
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like clogging up people's timelines with these
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like such a large portion of our
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general are are so invested and piecing
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of their instagrams, And I haven't
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like I've been just more selective about
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when the information was being digested hardest. I've been more selected there where with

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Instagram, like it's not as real
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like, I feel like the contents
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also think it's important, like distractions
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mind off of it if you want
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down anyone's throat, but I think
talking hoops is cathartic for me. I've

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been on a couple of podcasts radio
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for anyone who needs that distraction or
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know, a few days down the
line, because we have some hot button

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questions to get to and obviously everyone
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one of, for me, among
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Like, fuck the NFL trade deadline. That is boring every year. It's

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the same thing that was so boring, and we knew, we knew it

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was going to be that way going
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having right a deadline on election day. That was just a horrible move and

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just vintage NFL. Like I wouldn't
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disappointed nonetheless. But anyway, NBA
trade stuff. I want to I want

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to kick that off by asking you. You know we mentioned the four names

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Bradley Beal, Victor Oladipo, Drew
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four, can you rank them in
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be moved during this offseason? Yeah, so I would say I'll go from

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least likely to likely Beale is the
least likely because I think the Wizards kind

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of owe it to themselves to see, like what John Wall looks like next

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to Bradley Beal, because if John
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the Wizards could actually be really good
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like this huge Godfather offer, which
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wouldn't be there at the trade deadline
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one of the other guys, I'd
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Victor Oladipo would be second least likely, just because he's two seasons removed from

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that all MBA campaign. He hasn't
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and he was also trying to play
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an expiring contracts that should increase Indiana's
urgency to move him, but they could

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also sign him to an extension,
and maybe he looks at like the landscape

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and realize that if there isn't a
ton of trade interest in him where teams

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aren't going to about the world,
does it make it more likely that he

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signs for a palatable number with the
team Either way, I think you give

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it like the start of the season
to see if he looks at anything close

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to himself, because you have structured
that roster very much around him, and

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like the Mattis Simonis, like you
paid Malcolm Brogden, you paid Miles Turner,

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you paid Simonis, you paid Jeremy
Lamb. TJ. Warren's going to

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be paid. This isn't necessarily roster
that can just afford to pivot into a

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rebuild. And I don't know how
much you're gonna get for him on the

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trademarket anyway. I certainly don't think
he offers get appreciably worse as time goes

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on, because any team that gets
him on some level has to view him

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as a rental unless they know that
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the next two are tough. I
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just because there's a chance that the
Pelicans might want to be really good,

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even if that's not what David Griffin
said, Like and that was just

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bizarre. So sh Sharania reports that
the Pelicans are entertaining Officer for holiday.

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Then David Grifford comes out and essentially
confirms it. You just don't see that

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particularly well. He said that,
he said that they're listening to Offers'll never

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see that right either, like's not
but I think the semantics are important there,

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like where it is, just it's
a little bit different the optics of

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listening to offers versus calling teams and
making offers herself. Right, and he

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has that player option for twenty seven
plus million dollars after next season, where

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it's like, is that a situation
where he would opt in or opt out

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then look for a longer term deal
if he's still with the Pelicans, you

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could do you know, the opt
in in an extent that might be a

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possibility. But because they have like
that extra year is right there where maybe

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a team could talk themselves into thinking
they have two years of him. The

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Pelicans might be thrown this out there
to see if they can get that Godfather

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offer for him, and so if
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their roster now and like it could
still have a chance to be pretty good.

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They're about to pay brandon Ingram anyway, I understand why they might not

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want to pay everyone at once.
Lonzo Ball is extension eligible, Josh Hart's

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extension eligible, Drew Holiday is going
to be on a new deal in the

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next year or two. Lett does
get messy, but they're sort of in

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a better position, not even a
better position, but they're in a position

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to be patient. Whereas in Oklahoma
City, where I put Chris Paul at

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number one, even though he has
that two years and eighty five point six

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million dollars left on his contract,
that's tough to swallow. But Oklahoma City

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is the one team that is clearly
going in the opposite direction of their stars

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timeline, and so that's why I
would think he'd be the most likely to

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be moved. I'm curious whether you
have any qualms about that ranking. No,

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I mean, I feel like I
was on the verge of straining a

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neck muscle with how much I was
nodding in agreement with everything that you were

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saying there. Yeah, I totally
agree with the order I would have if

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I'm rating these out of ten,
where ten is they're definitely going to be

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moved, one is they're definitely staying
in place, and five is like a

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fifty fifty chance. I think Biel's
like a one. There's no way that

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the Wizards are going to move him
because they're not going to get the requisite

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value back in return, and they
have to see what he can do alongside

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John Wall at this point, because
there's not going to be a successful rebuild

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with Wall roster unless this core works, So that's just not happening. I

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don't think I get why he's still
in the news because he is probably the

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most coveted name of all of them
if there is any possibility of him being

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moved, but I just can't see
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I would give like a four out
of ten, where I just I don't

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think that the return will be sufficient
given the fact that whoever trades for him

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will have to sign him to an
extension with only one season of seeing what

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level he's going to play at.
You know, you mentioned the All NBA

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the All NBA campaign two years ago. That kind of feels like an aberration

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at this point in his career,
as we've talked about on previous episodes,

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where the sample of substar play is
larger than the sample of star caliber caliber

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play at this point, and it
also came before that injury that has so

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clearly had a big impact on him. I think there's a possibility he could

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be moved, but Indiana would have
to just be desperate and accept a lesser

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return Holiday. I would put that
at like a six out of ten.

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And the uncertainty there for me is
just the packages that we've seen and heard

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about so far, Like, are
do they really want to move him if

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like Carris Lavert is the best player
they're going to get in return, or

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like something equivalent there. It feels
like they could decide The Pelicans could decide

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to move Holiday for either rebuilding pieces
for other current contenders, are players who

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could make them a current contender,
But at the same time, like even

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if he doesn't really fit the timeline
because he's thirty years old of the younger

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players on the roster, like this
team is ready to compete for a playoff

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berth in the Western Conference right now
with Zion Williamson and Brandon Ingram and Lonzo

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Ball and Josh Harden all the other
talents they have on the roster, So

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that could really go either way.
And then Chris Paul is probably like a

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ten out of ten, you know, between the social media farewell after they

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were eliminated from the playoffs and just
the direction that they're clearly going and parting

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ways mutually. With Billy Donovan,
it just feels like there's absolutely no chance

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he's going to finish or even start
the season in Oklahoma City, and which

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is it's kind of funny to say
that because he's objectively probably the toughest contract

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to move just because of all that
money. But I also think that could

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make the asking price lower where if
you can get cap relief some immediate and

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then most of it coming next year
and what would be the final year of

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Paul, it doesn't feel like Oklahoma
City wants anything back. It's just like,

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let's get a draft pick, maybe
a young player, and you can

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have him because we just don't want
to pay the contract. Yeah, I

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go back and forth, because he
just made second team All MBA, so

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it feels like they would want something, but it's also hard to pinpoint a

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team that would give up something.
The one team that I think should be

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willing to go whatever constitutes an all
in for Chris Paul, and I'm not

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saying that's multiple first and Dante DiVincenzo, but one it would be Milwaukee for

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me. And Zach Lower reported that
there hasn't been traction on a deal between

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Milwaukee and Oklahoma City, and then
The Athletic reported earlier into the off season

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that the Bucks were not interested in
Chris Paul trade, namely because of the

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financial ramifications. And that's just an
excuse. I'm gonna play real well with

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you, honest, isn't it right? I don't know how well at a

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players. Some people think he's going
to sign the Supermax and if he does,

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you have him under lock and key
for another, you know, six

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years in total. He could request
a trade later on, but that might

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sort of diminish the urgency with which
they can react to this year. I

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think you can argue that maybe Drew
Holiday is a better fit just because he's

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younger. If you want to make
Bradley Boda obviously be a better fit as

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well. They just don't have the
asset firepower to go after them. Maybe

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Oladipo is more gettable for that,
but then you're dealing with his bare right

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and if he's not one, if
he's not as good, but then too,

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you have to pay him anyway.
And no, he's not gonna get

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Chris Paul money, but you are
dealing with you know what, do we

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pay him over the next three to
five years? Then, But maybe that's

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a better problem to have because for
Paul, you're you're ostensibly saying like,

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we're going to get the next two
years of Chris Paul and that's it.

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So I could understand why a little
Deepo might be a little bit more attractive,

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but we need the asking price to
be just right in that scenario.

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And so this is just me say
and the Bucks need to be hyper aggressive

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in going after another shot creator.
And I think Chris Paul just I don't

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love the Oladipa fit in Milwaukee.
I don't know if you feel differently,

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but like I don't view him as
a great off ball weapon who's going to

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help space the court. Like he's
been a mediocrew three point shooter at best.

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He is best with the ball in
his hands, like he would add

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a lot of defensive ability and secondary
playmaking ability, but you ultimately want the

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ball in Janie's hands, right,
and I think there's more he could do

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off the ball with the way Milwaukee
plays, whereas in Indiana it seems like

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there's always two non shooters on the
court. Still he would he might be

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the funkiest fit because you could you
run into similar issues with Drew Holiday.

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I think he's done more cutting and
it's going to be better than that capacity.

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Bradley Bell and Chris Paul are like
the most seamless fits. And because

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you don't have the asset equity to
go after Beal, assuming he's even gettable,

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That's why Chris Paul is so attractive. And if I'm not saying they

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need to wind up with one of
these four players, but if CP three

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is gettable for you know, if
you don't have to give up George hill

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Brook, Lopez, Middleton Orhannis,
like get the deal done, Like if

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it's just really the salary filler route, get the deal done would be where

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I stand. Who I am we
already ranked it like most likely at least

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like a who aside from Beal gets
the biggest return though, is it Drew

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Holiday, Like that's the player that's
going to command the biggest return on this

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market, not Beal. I think
so. Yeah, aside from Bal,

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I think it has to be Holiday
just because he's still in the back end

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of his prime, but in the
prime. Nonetheless, he is such a

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seamless fit and such a highly respected
competitor throughout the league. You know what

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you're going to get. You know
that you're going to get a great locker

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room leader who is capable of contributing
on both ends of the floor and numerous

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different roles. There's just there isn't
that level of uncertainty, And I kind

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of feel like Mike Conley was really
bad news for Chris Paul's trade value,

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just because teams are going to be
looking at just how quickly aging point cards

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can fall off that clip. And
even if he's coming off an All NBA

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season, he's thirty five, you
know that he has He's got a lot

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of wear and tear from his many
many years in the NBA playing at a

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high level, and no matter how
well he played this last season and really

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revitalized his reputation as an elite point
guard, that drop off really could come

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at any point in time, especially
for a smaller point guard. I'm not

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saying that it will, just that
that nagging thought is going to be in

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the back of minds, coupled with
the exorbitant salary that he's set to receive

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for the next two years. I
just I don't see him or Oladipo,

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giving the injury concerns and the inevitability
of needing a new contract reaching even close

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to what Holiday would get. I'm
pretty much with you there. There's look

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the fact he made second team All
NBA. You could look at it in

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a vacuum. But I don't know
who would be the most desperate team that

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I think we know it would be
the Knicks feel like they would be the

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team that would give up the most
insofar as they want Chris Paul, which

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there's really no read on whether they
do or not. But even their most

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you're not getting. I mean,
this would be franchise mail practice. But

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if you gave up Mitchell Robinson or
RJ. Barrett in that deal, like

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that would be franchise mail pride.
So you're not getting one of them.

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And you know what is that?
Like? Are the Mavericks first round picks

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like aren't a ton, so I
tend to lean towards holiday as well.

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First kind of with that said,
this will shock you, but I

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have some holiday deals I was gonna
throw. It's no way, yeah,

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like fake trades. I love fake
trades. Are you sure? No,

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I'm actually not sure. Okay.
I just wanted to make sure. And

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I feel like we've we've definitely talked
CP three deals on here too much,

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which is why we're not going through
them. Bo. We've discussed tangentially,

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I think, including on the last
podcast, but like it's just I can't

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bring myself to like really come up
with a ton no knowing that I don't

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think he's gonna be moved, Like
my heart's just not in those is basically

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going. Uh so I'll start off
here, we'll go just alphabetically. I'm

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not going through all three teams.
But Atlanta, you're Atlanta Hawks now.

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Number six is not enough to get
Drew holiday to me, But if you

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were gonna go give up one of
your wings. My problem there then is

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I think that New Orleans neus to
take back some more salaries so that the

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Hawks aren't eating Then into so much
of their cap space. So my proposal

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would be number six Kevin Herder and
Dwayne Deadman, who has one year left

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on his deal. The final one
is not guaranteed for Drew Holiday. Do

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you need more? If you're who
says no to that, I think the

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Pelicans barely say no. I was
going to suggest the number six pick DeAndre

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Hunter and Dwayne Dedmond for the salary
filler. I think that's just slightly more

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appealing given the malleability of DeAndre Hunter
coming off an up and down rookie season.

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But that seems pretty fair for both
sides. And if I'm the Hawks,

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I'm doing that in a heartbeat because
Holiday, Like, if you're drawing

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up a player to share a backhourt
with Trey Young, it looks like Holiday,

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right. You know a guy who's
comfortable playing off the ball. He's

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playing off the ball alongside Lonzo Ball. I guess pun intended. Maybe there.

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You know that you know that he's
a great defender. You know that

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he can create when Trey Young is
off the floor, which has been Atlanta's

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biggest issue. They just haven't had
that backup point guard capable of even keeping

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the offensive float without Trey's offensive ability. So yeah, we don't. We

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don't think, you know, it
could be. I refuse to rule that

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out just because I was once upon
a time so high on Evan Turner,

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who is probably one of my biggest
draft evaluations misses of all time. I

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compared him to Dwyane Wade coming out
of Ohio State before he broke his back.

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Oh wow, Yeah it didn't that
that hasn't aged well off. I'll

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admit to that. There's still time
for him to go back to the Celtics

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and maybe make that age a little
bit better. So stand to stand to

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I'll try, I'll try. It's
like how you're still picking the Nuggets to

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win this last year's title. Yeah, there's still my title pick for twenty

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twenty. Yeah. Uh. I'm
just curious how interested in New Orleans would

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be in DeAndre Hunter considering they already
traded him, like Atlantic traded him right

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right, So I can't see the
air quotes if you're listening, but they're

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there. If I were them,
I would prefer Herder, who's more plug

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and play on offense to me and
can probably look, he's shown he can

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do some stuff off the drubble or
I prefer Cam Reddish. Yeah, I

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was gonna say, like they'd probably
come back with the counter of asking for

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Reddish. And if you're Atlanta,
you still do it. You still do

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it for Cam Reddish. Yeah,
I think you still do just there are

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already reports that Atlanta is looking to
shop the number six pick for a veteran

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Holiday fits perfectly as good as Reddish
looked over the last twenty or so games

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of his rookie season. Yeah,
you make that move. What if it's

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now? What if it's like a
version of a future first round pick,

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like say this is happening after the
draft, would you give up a twenty

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one draft pick for Jue Holiday with
your number six pick this year? And

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if you are what type of protections
would you need to put on it?

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If you're Atlanta, yeah, I
think you still do just because of the

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Holiday fit. But you're probably putting
a top twenty or a lot of protection

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on it. I would say that
maybe top If I'm New Orleans, I

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I would prefer one of the prospects
that if they're only going to do lottery

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protected, I don't think if I
don't think if you're Atlanta, though,

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you can justify doing more than like
loosely. You can't be looser than like

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top seven or eight protection just because
of how ballyhood the draft classes, but

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also like you need to safeguard yourself
against disaster just in case you don't make

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the playoffs. Look and ultimately we've
seen this so many times now where if

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you have a marquee young star,
and to be clear, Tray Young is

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a marquee young star, you have
to win soon or else in this era

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of player empowerment and respect to the
players for creating this era of player empowerment,

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you've got to win or else they're
going to ask for a trade,

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and they're within their rights to do
so. Yeah, I mean, their

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urgency, I would say, is
not as high just because he's not even

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off his rookie scale deal yet.
So you don't want to do anything that

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could short circuit yourself long term,
particularly with this free agency class. But

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Drew Holiday doesn't fall into that.
I guess you could be reticent about paying

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his next deal. But like,
if you could get Drew Holiday, let's

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say it's whatever it is, whether
he's opting in an extending or if it's

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just a full blown resigning. If
you could get him if it costs you

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a little over one hundred million dollars
for the next four years of his career,

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I think I'm okay with it.
And look, because he wouldn't have

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to carry like so much the burden
on offense, you can bank on his

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off ball defense probably being a lot
better in Atlanta. And then he's always

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just been great on the ball.
And so, like you said, if

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you could build a player in a
lab that would play next to tray On

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in the backcourt, it would look
a lot like Drew Holiday. Maybe he'd

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be a little bit taller. Yeah, I mean, I think we've talked

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about how Atlanta is kind of trying
to follow that Warrior's East model and create

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like their Splash Brothers backcourt with Trey
Young and Kevin Hurder. I think I

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would rather have someone like Drew Holiday
over someone like Klay Thompson alongside him,

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just because of that secondary creation.
Yeah for sure. I mean, if

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you had that secondary creator already,
then maybe a Clay Thompson just having more

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gives you more positionality on defense,
and maybe not even we've seen Drew Holiday

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defend Kevin Durant before. So the
next team I have here though, is

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the Brooklyn Nets. They Again,
I feel like maybe this is being talked

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about enough now. They have a
lot of trade assets that are palatable in

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this scenario, though I don't know
how palatable they are because Jared Allen doesn't

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make sense when you have Jackson Hayes
and even Zion Williamson, Like that's just

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not a great fit. Next,
Desion Carris Lavert. I all right,

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let me ask you this question.
First, would you give up Carros Lavert

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in a Drew Holiday trade? And
Lavert is on a deal, he's younger,

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he's on three years fifty two point
five million dollars, I would,

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just because of the fit. You
know, Lavert in some ways is more

405
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of a luxury than a necessity,
just because you already have Kyrie Irving and

406
00:25:52,839 --> 00:25:56,480
Kevin Durant who can create all of
the shots from all over the court at

407
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any time. And Lavert has shown
flashes of being a good three point shooter,

408
00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:07,400
it's not his strong suit. He
definitely prefers to create off the dribble,

409
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,960
to take some long mid range shots
to attack the basket. He's shown

410
00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:15,160
signs of becoming a better facilitator.
But you're essentially hoping that he can morph

411
00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:18,880
into a player who plays a whole
lot like Drew Holiday, and we already

412
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,400
know what Holiday can do. I
just I think that Holiday is a far

413
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:27,519
more seamless fit alongside two stars who
have fairly similar, albeit far superior skill

414
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sets to that of Lavert. I'm
with you, I think from I would

415
00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:36,920
give him up in a trade for
Drew Holiday in a vacuum. It lowers

416
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what I'm giving up though to finish
the rest of that deal. But for

417
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New Orleans, I questioned his fit
next to a brand Ingram and Zion Williamson

418
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,440
because for the past, for the
past two seasons, he shot better on

419
00:26:47,519 --> 00:26:49,880
off the dribble threes than catch and
shoot threes. And I do think he's

420
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talented enough to get better. But
now you're adding that level of combustibility where

421
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,799
Drew Holiday is better off the ball. Yes, Lavert's cheap enough, but

422
00:26:56,839 --> 00:27:00,839
how great is the fit with I
would say, you're two most important building

423
00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:03,160
blocks moving forward, and then you
throw a Lonzo ball into that equation.

424
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,160
And so I'm almost wondering if he
would be my Lavert deal. If I'm

425
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,200
Brooklyn, so I'll throw this out. There would be Lavert number nineteen and

426
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,480
Torrian Prince. Does that get it
done for you? No, I don't

427
00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:17,559
think so. I think you need
Dinwoody included. I wouldn't give up both

428
00:27:17,599 --> 00:27:19,240
Dinwitty and Lavert for Drew Holiday with
him approaching free agency. If I was

429
00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:22,119
Brooklyn, I couldn't do it.
I would do now if you could do.

430
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,359
I actually think didnwood he's a better
fit for New Orleans. Granted he's

431
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,680
older, but I still think like
he's gonna he mirrors the secondary creation you're

432
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,960
gonna get from Lavert anyway, and
there's a chance that he might be cheaper

433
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,000
than him moving forward. He has
a player option for twelve point three million

434
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,759
in the summer of twenty twenty one. If you're trying to load up like

435
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:47,359
on assets here, I'd be curious
if New Orleans would do Dinwitty crew it's

436
00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:52,759
Torrian Prince number nineteen, and then
like a distant NETS first round pick,

437
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,200
Like let's say if the Nets Romana
throw their twenty twenty two or twenty twenty

438
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,039
three pick into play unprotected, would
you do that? Or maybe a season,

439
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,039
let's let's cut out this year's first
Like let's say New Orleans doesn't want

440
00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:08,880
it if it's Dinwitty, Prince kuots
the nets is twenty twenty one pick unprotected

441
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:14,319
and then twenty twenty three pick,
let's say top five protection. Is that

442
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,200
a deal that interests you if you're
New Orleans. I'm still on the fence

443
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,359
about it. I have trouble just
because you know, as you mentioned,

444
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:26,559
Lavert isn't an ideal fit with the
Pelicans. I'm not sure that Dinwitty is

445
00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:32,920
either because of his age, and
Jared Allen isn't super ideal either. Because

446
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,440
you know, I'm a huge believer
in Jackson Hayes. I think, as

447
00:28:34,759 --> 00:28:38,039
you know, I'm not sure that
without two of the three, it gets

448
00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:42,559
done. What two of the three
being Allen being one of the third Allen,

449
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,480
din Witty and Lavert. The problem
is is that I would give Allan

450
00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:51,000
up in either with Lavert or din
Witty, but I just don't see his

451
00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:52,839
value in New Orleans. So then
you get into a point, can you

452
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,599
send him to a third team that
would then send like a first round pick

453
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or another process. That kind of
what I wonder here is I feel like

454
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just given the the talent overlap between
these two franchises and how they could value

455
00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:10,720
their own players differently, it feels
like this is a three team situation if

456
00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:14,359
Holiday is to end up in Brooklyn. I'm just I'm not sure I see

457
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,599
a realistic way to bridge the gap
between just the two sides. Okay,

458
00:29:18,599 --> 00:29:22,240
so I'll throw this out there.
And this actually just came to me.

459
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:32,960
Dinwoody number nineteen and Brooklyn's twenty twenty
one first unprotected and Miles Bridges to New

460
00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:36,480
Orleans, Jared Allen to Charlotte,
and there might need to be another salary

461
00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:38,240
there for to make it end carewts
to New Orleans to go there too.

462
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,960
Do you need another first round pick
if your New Orleans is part of that

463
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,119
deal. I'm so good with this
deal. I love that. I love

464
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,039
that Bridges. Bridges feels like a
great fit next to Zion and Brandon Ingram

465
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:52,400
just kind of filling in all the
cracks. And I would love to see

466
00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:56,720
Jared Allen just explode in Charlotte.
So we've landed, and look, they

467
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,400
have Cody Zeller there, but he'll
be on an expiring deal. And Allen

468
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,440
is definitely has the higher ceiling as
a defender, and he did shoot threes

469
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,799
for like a second in Brooklyn,
so that final deal was Jared Allen to

470
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,960
Charlotte, Drew Holiday to Brooklyn,
Torrian Prince, Spencer Jenuity, cu Roots

471
00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:15,319
number nineteen A twenty twenty one first, and Miles Bridges to New Orleans.

472
00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:18,480
I don't even know if you unique
cour Roots is part of that deal at

473
00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:22,839
that point. I think because you're
not getting Lavert maybe, and Torrian Prince

474
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,240
is a net negative on his contract. He's good salary matching, but two

475
00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:30,640
years and basically twenty five point three
million is not great value for Torrian Prince.

476
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,559
Do you want to call Michael Jordan
or should I good Ride? I'd

477
00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:37,000
be curious. Charlotte definitely does straight
up. I don't know if the money

478
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,240
works where I need to look at
alan salary here, Oh it does work.

479
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,960
Would you do Allen for Miles Bridges
straight up? If you're Charlotte?

480
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,400
I think so. I think I
would too, Yeah, I mean he

481
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,240
fits so perfectly with what that team
likes to do on defense and just the

482
00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:55,079
glaring need for a center. I
mean, we're going to talk about what

483
00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:57,160
they're they want to do with their
number three pick during the mailbag portion of

484
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:02,680
this episode, and you know you're
hoping that whoever they draft there turns into

485
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:07,599
Jared Allen. That's a fair point. I mean, some people think James

486
00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:10,839
Wiseman is gonna be really good.
I'm just I'm first of all, I

487
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,920
won't give any hot takes on draft
prospects anymorever since I said Kwaie Leonard was

488
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,839
going to be a bust, like, I'm just I'm out. I'm out

489
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,920
on that. I just don't.
I don't know. I don't have a

490
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,160
feel for anything in this draft.
There are like two, like all zero

491
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,480
win on guys that I'll probably feel
like outside the top five, I think

492
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,200
you're gonna be really good. But
that's also like a cowards thing to do,

493
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,880
just because there's it's so combustible near
the top. This year the next

494
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,119
thing I wanted to get to and
I think we'll probably start blowing through these

495
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,960
quicker. Does Dallas have the assets
to get Drew Holiday? No, you

496
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:44,359
don't think they have hardaways expiring deal
And if you included pick number eighteen and

497
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:49,799
you have Jaylen Bronson, no enough. I was just curious they might be

498
00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:52,880
a sneaky team for Aladipo then they
don't want to screw over their cap space.

499
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,119
That definitely be far more realistic.
But like, as you mentioned,

500
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,799
like we're talking about their best realistic
trade assets because we're they're not trading Chris

501
00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:04,279
Stops or don Check right, and
then you're looking Bartaway, Junior's expiring deal,

502
00:32:04,359 --> 00:32:08,359
the number eighteen pick in a week
lackluster draft, Jalen Brunson. So

503
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,400
I like Jayalen Brunson, And what
they could do is throw in like a

504
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,559
Maxi Kleiba or a Seth Curry,
But then it almost feels like those two

505
00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:17,319
are great fits for New Orleans,
by the way, but then it almost

506
00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:22,480
feels like how much better is Dallas
after that? So but I do think

507
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,759
that they could get closer than you're
giving them credit for if Kleiba and Curry

508
00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:28,839
are on the table, But that
might rest on you know, does New

509
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,079
Orleans want to stay good while trading
holiday We don't really know. That might

510
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:36,440
be a package maybe that gets you
Oladipo. I don't know that I give

511
00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:38,799
up. Would you give up both? Would you give up two of Curry

512
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:44,680
Kleiba and Hardaway for Oladipo? Yeah? I think so it's it's a good

513
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:47,519
risk to take given where Dallas is
at right now. I think I'm with

514
00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:52,000
you. It's just both of their
contracts and particularly Curries is just so nice

515
00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:55,799
that Yeah, so Denver. I
think it's a team that's most popular with

516
00:32:55,839 --> 00:33:00,000
through holiday and the question everyone's asking, would you get about Michael Porter Junior

517
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:06,160
for Juvalide? In a heartbeat,
I'm actually shocked that you said that.

518
00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:13,920
Look, Michael Porter Jr. Has
shown so much offensive flammability. His six

519
00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:17,359
ten frame, his shooting ability,
his feel for the offensive game. They're

520
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:22,200
all remarkably advanced, as we saw
during the bubble experience and in a couple

521
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:27,119
of postseason games where he can legitimately
take over a game on offense for a

522
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,839
little bit. He also doesn't even
seem to understand that playing defense is necessary.

523
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:37,279
He's not a good playmaker, and
ultimately, like this is a team

524
00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:43,799
that should want to be winning right
exactly now, with Jamal Murray on the

525
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,880
roster, with Nikola Yokich running the
show for so much of the half court

526
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:53,319
experience, you know, Porter is
more of a luxury item than a necessity,

527
00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:58,559
a phrase that I've already used once, But you know, he his

528
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:04,680
skills are not necessarily exactly what's needed
for this Denver team. It's great to

529
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:10,519
have. It's fantastic when your third
best player on a good night is going

530
00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:14,599
to be able to win a postseason
contest for you. But you don't need

531
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:17,519
him. You need someone like Holiday
if you really want to open up that

532
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:23,920
championship window. Now, Denver has
has struggled to play quality perimeter defense even

533
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:30,360
when Gary Harris and Will Bardon are
healthy, and Holiday helps fix that.

534
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,599
He helps give you another way of
attacking while keeping everyone else involved, which

535
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,880
is something that Porter has struggled with
because he does not look to pass.

536
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:40,880
This isn't a knock against Porter's talent. It's just a fit thing. So

537
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:45,079
if you have to give up him
and Gary Harris or Will Bardon you do

538
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:50,559
it. I'd be curious if that
deal can get done then without Gary Harris.

539
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:52,000
If you're giving up Porter, who
Gary Harris has been. I don't

540
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,960
want to say a disaster on offense, so let's use the word seesaw inconsistent

541
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,400
however you want to spin it.
I wouldn't be against giving up Michael Porter

542
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:05,159
Junior if I'm New Orleans Denver,
I'm What I'd be curious though, is

543
00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:07,679
if you can do that, is
there a way to expand the deal so

544
00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:09,480
that Denver's getting a little more out
of it since they are taking a risk

545
00:35:09,559 --> 00:35:14,719
with holiday coming close to free agency
and just being older, and so like,

546
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:19,639
let's use this framework. Let's say
it's bull ball number twenty two Michael

547
00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:22,880
Porter Junior and Harris, and that
get you to the holiday money. I

548
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:28,760
believe depending on the timing of the
trade Wold New Orleans, Like in that

549
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,719
scenario, are you willing to give
them number thirteen? Are you willing to

550
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,320
wipe off number twenty two? Or
if I'm Denver, is something I'm interested

551
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,920
in, are you willing to give
them swap rights on LA's like twenty twenty

552
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:45,000
three first, or even in LA's
they have LA's twenty twenty one pick protected

553
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:47,920
eight to thirty. It's really an
unprotected pick in twenty twenty two the way

554
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:53,800
that it's structured. Now, if
I'm Denver, I do that. I

555
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,480
want to be clear if you can
get you do that. If you're Denver,

556
00:35:57,559 --> 00:36:00,280
I don't know about New Orleans,
just because I'm not entirely sure that

557
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:06,840
Porter is the best fit in New
Orleans either defensively right Ingram there, I

558
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,519
actually think because he's played a wall
off the ball, he's a much better

559
00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:13,400
fit than a Lavert. So putting
him next to Lonzo balls on on and

560
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:16,039
Ingram offensively feels like you could hum. The defense is where I'd get concerned,

561
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:20,079
because if you're gonna have to put
a lot of pressure on Ingram and

562
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:23,480
Zion there right, And so I
think I'd be more apt to being like,

563
00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:27,559
Okay, Denver can keep bull Ball
or number twenty two. We're not

564
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:30,440
giving you a Lakers pick in that
scenario, let alone our own pick this

565
00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:32,480
year. Oh actually, I don't
know. I might not be I might

566
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,159
not care too much about giving up
the number thirteen pick in this draft.

567
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,280
I think if I'm Denver, though, I'm trying to get Josh Hart back

568
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,400
in that deal. Also, maybe
that's a I don't know what else you

569
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,679
have to give up though, Like
if I'm New Orleans, I might balk

570
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,760
at Josh Hart to me would be
more valuable than this year's number thirteen pick,

571
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,960
this year's number twenty two picks.
So I would just counter being like,

572
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:53,679
you know what, you can keep
bullball or the number twenty two,

573
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:59,400
and we're gonna keep Josh Hard.
I don't know what else never would have

574
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,559
to Like if you threw maybe if
Dever threw in a distant first, so

575
00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:06,519
like you're moving into advance where we're
talking, you know, twenty Let's say

576
00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:09,519
they're moving their pick after this year's
draft to get around the Stepian rule for

577
00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:16,360
them. Do you give up the
twenty twenty one pick or twenty twenty two

578
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:21,480
pick to get Josh Hart while you're
giving up Michael Porter Junior, I don't

579
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,599
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Can I also just say that I

590
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,440
don't like the Steppian role and I
think we should get rid of it.

591
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,519
It was it was essentially put in
place to protect franchises, right because step

592
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:21,320
In with the Wizards traded away every
first round pick he had odd infinitem and

593
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,840
it didn't work out and the franchise
tanked. Okay, So like teams already

594
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,639
tank intentionally, I would rather them
have all of the assets they can to

595
00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:37,159
trade, especially knowing that the NBA
does best when trade rumors are all over

596
00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:42,559
the place. And if you allow
more teams to have more high level assets

597
00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:46,079
to trade and to get involved in
trade discussions, I think that benefits the

598
00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:50,679
league. And like, Okay,
like a team bottoms out because it's poorly

599
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,800
managed, who gives a shit,
Like it did it to itself. It

600
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,239
can recover down the road, It
can make changes to the front office and

601
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,559
avoid similar situations. Like I feel
like that's just too much policing from the

602
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:05,159
league, and I'm gonna stop because
I feel like Jeff Van Gundi right now,

603
00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:07,679
if you're gonna get rid of the
Steppian rule, I think you have

604
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:12,039
to then make a more finite window
of how far out you can trade a

605
00:39:12,119 --> 00:39:14,320
draft pick, like maybe it's five
years or something. Because I think we

606
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:17,599
run into problems. Is there are
enough ways around the Steppian rule that I

607
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:22,039
actually don't really think that it prevents
teams from I mean, let's just look

608
00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:24,599
at the rockets basically under Daryl Morey. So it doesn't really prevent you from

609
00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:30,519
trading consecutive first It's just really all
about timing with it, and I would

610
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:32,800
be what you could, but it
does. It does because like if somebody

611
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,440
really wants to get you holiday right
now, they can't offer two back to

612
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,360
back first round picks, even though
that would be really appealing. But so

613
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,360
the misses then though, you get
to a point where like now you've given

614
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,079
up those assets and you don't have
the way to improve. Whereas, yea,

615
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:49,440
this might force just a little more
patients. Like I said, I

616
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,360
wouldn't be against it, and I
get to your point where maybe rumors run

617
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:53,519
more wild then, but then you
also get to a point where there are

618
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:58,320
going to be certain teams that trade
away so many assets they hamstring themselves.

619
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,280
Whereas look, it's even now.
What the Steppian rule does too is discourage

620
00:40:01,639 --> 00:40:05,840
teams from trading too far out because
you want to have the flexibility to work

621
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,880
with the timing. So if you
give up like the Lakers have like that

622
00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:13,559
twenty twenty two pick. Uh,
that's basically what it is. It's twenty

623
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:15,119
where it's twenty twenty one, but
it could spill over to twenty twenty two

624
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:19,440
and now you've traded twenty twenty four, twenty twenty five as well. It's

625
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,159
it makes it harder for you to
complete moves, and I feel like,

626
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:29,320
I feel like that those situations are
prevented by the Steppian rule. You give

627
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:34,840
more team teams bites at the trade
apple with it being implemented. But see,

628
00:40:35,039 --> 00:40:37,559
I totally I totally get that.
But I guess it's the same rule

629
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:42,840
that in like fantasy leagues, I
hate trade vetos unless there's obvious collusion going

630
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:47,760
on, Like if if if an
owner or a general manager is comfortable taking

631
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,199
that risk and it doesn't work,
like that's on them. Yeah, I

632
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:58,159
just I don't know that putting those
restrictions in place is really that beneficial.

633
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,199
That is, Yeah, it prevents
teams from shooting themselves in the foot,

634
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:07,280
but like, shouldn't they be allowed
to sometimes that's a very callous way of

635
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,119
looking at it. I'm not as
opposed to this stepping rule just because teams

636
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:15,159
get around it anyway. And I
think that's actually better for transaction volume,

637
00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:17,280
because at some point that I feel
like you're going to have teams run out

638
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,760
of first round picks. I think
it's I think it's better for transaction volume.

639
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,800
I think it's worse for transaction possibilities. And I think that the NBA

640
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:31,079
should care more about the discussions about
trades and the actual number of trades that

641
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:36,559
happen, because the NBA has has
developed into this twenty four seven, three

642
00:41:36,679 --> 00:41:39,199
hundred sixty five league, not because
there are games happening at all times,

643
00:41:39,199 --> 00:41:45,079
but because there is a large swath
of fans who care more about the off

644
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:49,960
season and about the drama and about
the potential moves than the actual on court

645
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,360
play. And they're not right or
wrong. There are different ways to watch

646
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:58,199
them, to follow every sport.
But I think that you promote that,

647
00:41:58,679 --> 00:42:02,480
and you build upon that, and
you attract a whole new group of devoted,

648
00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:07,880
passionate fans if you continue to increase
the possibilities of movement. It's an

649
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,800
interesting discussion that I did not expect
to have on this podcast, but that

650
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,280
would be if people are listening.
Paul, let us know if you think

651
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:20,360
the Stepian rule is outdated or pointless, and agree with Adam here. So

652
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,079
any interest of us being able to
get to the mailback, I'll blow through

653
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,639
just a couple of the frameworks.
I won't go into the actual deals I've

654
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:29,320
written down now. Teams that I
think will be interested, but we won't

655
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,000
have the firepower Lakers and Clippers.
I just can't see a path to them

656
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,800
getting a deal. The Clippers,
to me, could maybe get closer because

657
00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:38,119
Patrick Beverley, Lew Williams, Landry
Shammitt a first round pick in twenty thirty

658
00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:40,719
five or like whatever. They I
don't even know if they can legally trade

659
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:45,840
a first round pick right now.
I feel like they could probably get closer

660
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,800
than the Lakers. They should be
able to, and they can't legally the

661
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:55,360
first round pick right now they've traded
your first Imagine the possibilities if they could.

662
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,360
They could trade conversations that we can
have. They could trade no,

663
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,559
okay, it's a good conversation.
They could trade twenty twenty seven. That's

664
00:43:01,559 --> 00:43:05,199
it. If there's no Stepian rule, well, that's actually not true,

665
00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:07,760
because they could trade back to backs. You're right, You're right. Still

666
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,559
anyway, I think they can get
Now we would like to pull people on

667
00:43:12,599 --> 00:43:15,599
their support for the Stepian rule.
Yeah, Clippers fans, how do you

668
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:19,360
feel about the Stepian rule? I
don't think either one of them could get

669
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,880
close. The Clippers could still get
closer to me even with the absence of

670
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,639
an actual concrete first to trade.
The Lakers have Kuzma in this year's first

671
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:28,920
that they could angle really in salary
filler. I don't really know how they

672
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,400
get there. Miami's interesting, but
I think they only come One don't think

673
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,280
you give up Tyler hero in such
a deal. And two, I think

674
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,880
they only get involved and we're talking
about Duncan Robinson and then probably a distant

675
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:43,199
first as the framework. I think
that's only a possibility of Janna science his

676
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:49,159
Supermax. Yeah, they're they're too
They're too far into the prioritization of twenty

677
00:43:49,199 --> 00:43:52,880
twenty one cap space unless the primary
prize is already off the market. I

678
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,280
don't think Philly can get there.
He's also not a fantastic off ball fit,

679
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:59,400
even though I think he brings ball
handling, which which they could certainly

680
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,199
use, but even just you can't
trade Harris or Porford as part of that

681
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:06,199
deal. And then Josh Richardson and
you could step out of yourself to the

682
00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:07,920
salary filler, but how many first
is that going to take from there?

683
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,440
So I would write them off.
I would love to see him in Toronto,

684
00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:15,159
but they just they're not giving up
Ogan and Nobi in that deal,

685
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,239
and their salary filler is also weird
because you're not gonna want to give away

686
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,880
Kyle Lowry and you're definitely not trading
Siakam the two teams that I would be

687
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,679
interested in, and it's both built
around draft picks. If you're the Warriors,

688
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:29,960
are you giving up number two for
Drew Holiday in a heartbeat? Now?

689
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,440
The problem is that he doesn't fall
into the trade exception. So now

690
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:37,000
you're in this scenario where you have
to give up Andrew Wiggins because it's not

691
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,679
going to be Draymond Greener or Clay
Thompson. Sorry, did did you mean

692
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,480
to say you have to give up
Andrew Wiggins or you get to give up

693
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,880
Yeah? All right, So now
the Pelicans have to take on Andrew,

694
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,920
and I think the deal that's been
flown around is would both these sides do

695
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:57,239
it. Let's say it's loony Wiggins, loudy Wiggins number two and then next

696
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,719
year's Minnesota pick for Reddick and high
Holiday. I didn't run the numbers on

697
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,719
this. You might need another salary
in there if you're Golden State, but

698
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:07,760
that would be the framework which which
team is doing that or both of them

699
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,159
doing that, or think both of
them are doing that. Yeah, I

700
00:45:09,199 --> 00:45:15,239
mean Golden State can afford to lose
a deal and still win if that makes

701
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:21,880
sense where they're they're giving up more
talent, more assets in a trade because

702
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:28,960
their window is exactly now right.
You don't know how Draymond Green in particular

703
00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:31,840
is going to continue to age.
He did not look like the Draymond Green

704
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:36,800
of the dynastic Golden State Warriors during
this past season. Maybe that was just

705
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,760
due to a lack of motivation on
a team that was clearly going nowhere.

706
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,800
But like, you need to win
right now. And look if, by

707
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,000
the way, if you trade the
number two pick as an actual salary,

708
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:52,599
you can do number two next year's
Minnesota pick plus Wiggins will get you both

709
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:57,159
Holiday and Reddick. Now, if
New Orleans said, look, you're now

710
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,199
paying Andrew Wiggins and Brandon Ingram,
who are not the best of fits together

711
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:06,800
max money for Andrew Wiggins has three
years left on his deal. I'm probably

712
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,679
asking for Golden States twenty twenty one
pick in that scenario. Are you doing

713
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:14,719
that then? Where now we're amounting
to three first round picks plus Andrew Wiggins

714
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,239
for Dualiday and JJ Reddick, both
of whom could be free agents in twenty

715
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:23,320
twenty one. I think that's where
it starts to sow some doubt in Golden

716
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:29,679
State's mind. I can still justify
doing it, I think, especially just

717
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:34,079
knowing that if all goes according to
plan, which you have to believe that

718
00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:37,639
it will. If you're making this
move, you're looking at the twenty eight

719
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,559
pick, the twenty nine pick,
the thirty pick, and it's not really

720
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:45,760
a first rounder. I think I'm
with you there. I still don't know.

721
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,840
I feel like I hate it for
both sides when Warriors are giving up

722
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,760
both picks and the Pelicans are getting
back Andrew Wiggins, and that's why there

723
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:57,719
just might not be a fit there. My final one, the Timberwolves you

724
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,760
can use if you want to use. The number one pick is a salary

725
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:00,960
and we're trying to go bare bones
here. You could go James Johnston and

726
00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:05,800
number one for Drew Holiday. You
go James Johnson, Jake Layman and number

727
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,639
one for Drew Holiday. If you
want to complete it on the draft.

728
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,800
My questions to you are twofold.
Are you doing that if you're the Timberwolves

729
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,320
where you're giving up the number one
pick for Drew Holiday knowing he could be

730
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:15,880
you're gonna have to resign him either, you know, in one summer from

731
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:21,280
now or two I say summer one
offseason from now or two. And then

732
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,199
the second question would be, are
you doing this deal if your New Orleans

733
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,719
or because of the uncertainty at the
top of the draft and where you're thinking,

734
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,519
like I mean, James Wiseman next
to Zion does that work? Melo

735
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:35,599
Ball next to Lonzo Ball? Does
that make sense? Do you need like

736
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:37,639
another first? Do you need a
josh Akogi in this to make the deal?

737
00:47:38,639 --> 00:47:42,840
LaVar Ball is doing that deal immediately. To be clear, I don't

738
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,079
know if he wants both his sons
at New Orleans. I'm not sure.

739
00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:47,280
I'd be curious. That's not a
diss against New Orleans. I think he

740
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,440
wants them both in New York or
Los Angeles or Chicago or some stuff,

741
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,840
or next to Zion where they're going
to continue to get national attention all the

742
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:58,719
time. All right, well,
well, well to answer your question,

743
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,320
I think I think a Kogi is
Need or Jarrett Culver or another pick.

744
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,679
I think you would have to go
with the If I'm the Timberwolves, you'd

745
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,079
have to. I can't trade another
first round pick that far out. If

746
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:12,320
I'm them, I would insist upon
would you give up Culver and number one

747
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,440
if it make getting back drow Holiday? Yeah? I would. And in

748
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,880
some ways, like okay, this
is this is gonna sound weird, but

749
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:22,159
I think in some ways, like
the second and third pick in this draft

750
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,639
might be more valuable than the number
one pick, even if you don't get

751
00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:30,079
to control who you're taking, because
a prospect of two is already off the

752
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:34,960
board. Like there's so much uncertainty
in this class that paying them marginally less

753
00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:37,559
on that rookie scale might matter.
Uh yeah, you know. It would

754
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:42,360
be funny is if the Pelicans did
what they essentially did with the Lakers pick

755
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,719
last year, so they acquire number
four, but then they flipped that,

756
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,760
like if they turn around then trade
down with the number one pick again,

757
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:51,000
that might be something that they could
explore. Absolutely, are you ready get

758
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,159
some of these mail bad questions?
We comment deeered this podcast in our behalf,

759
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:57,480
but we will. We will trundle
along through these mail bad questions because

760
00:48:57,519 --> 00:49:04,079
we have a bunch of good ones. Uh Uno Maas asks Yannis three pat

761
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:09,000
MVP voter fatigue is going to set
in. Voter fatigue is going to set

762
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:13,239
in for sure. I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say no, just because

763
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:17,400
I think at this point the narrative, which is always important in MVP voting

764
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:22,199
for better or for worse, is
that Jannis was the best player in the

765
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:27,760
regular season for the last two years
and failed to live up to those standards

766
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:34,840
during the playoffs. So unless he
does something remarkably unprecedented during the twenty twenty

767
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,920
twenty one regular season, the juice
will not be there for him to get

768
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:44,639
the necessary votes. I'm gonna pick
don Chich right now. We have to

769
00:49:44,639 --> 00:49:46,599
make picks right now. I will
say Yannis won't win. And it's for

770
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:49,920
all the reasons you said. It's
not even just voter fatigue. I think

771
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,079
because of the bucks is problematic playoff
runs that he's gonna get dinged for that,

772
00:49:53,159 --> 00:49:57,360
which I actually don't think is is
unfair. If I had to pick

773
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,519
an MVP right now, I almost
felt like this might have been this might

774
00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:05,000
be the upcoming year where Lebron gets
sort of that does he necessarily deserve it?

775
00:50:05,039 --> 00:50:07,079
And you could always argue in favor
of him, but it's it's like

776
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:09,239
that Career Achievement award where what he
just did in the playoffs, I don't

777
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:13,320
think he's gonna ultimately play enough games. I was gonna say it's gonna be

778
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,599
real hard to win that MVP when
he sits out for the first month.

779
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,800
I think so right now, the
names I would zero in on are and

780
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,480
I'm looking. I'm trying to figure
out who's gonna play enough games to do

781
00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:23,320
it. I'm leaning towards Stephen Curry, James Harden or Donchitch would be my

782
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,679
early top three. I have Yokichen
there too. Clearly, I'm all over

783
00:50:27,679 --> 00:50:31,920
the place. Anthony Davis, No, definitely not, but I think we're

784
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:36,840
in agreement that, well, yeah, Frankie Luikina is going to win MVP.

785
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,920
It's doesn't matter of how many Anthony
Bellino asked what are my Pistons going

786
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:45,000
to do to get back into the
top four of the Easts? Can I

787
00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:47,159
can I hijack this one? I
mean, are you going to say they're

788
00:50:47,199 --> 00:50:50,599
not? I'm gonna say that hopefully
they're not trying to get back in the

789
00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:53,880
top four of the East next season? Okay? Fair there Their quickest path

790
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:58,679
to get back into the top four
of the East is to enter a rebuild

791
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,760
and then get their gradually leagues.
I don't know that they have a move

792
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,760
in them where they can make it
like if you could get Bradley Beal,

793
00:51:05,159 --> 00:51:07,760
I don't even know if he gets
you the top four of the East because

794
00:51:07,159 --> 00:51:12,159
you're now tethered to the health of
Blake Griffin. Because Bradley Beale, we

795
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,000
seen, does not give you a
playoff Berth on his own. And if

796
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,920
you're getting him, you've traded away
this year's pick. You've traded away,

797
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:23,000
say Ku, you've probably trade away
Lukinard as well. So I do think,

798
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:27,239
and Lazarus Jackson mentioned this to me
on the Pistons look Ahead, that

799
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,079
they're actually rebuilding, and so I
think they're far more likely to steer into

800
00:51:31,079 --> 00:51:35,320
a bottom three finish in the East
next season. Than they are to try

801
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,360
to re enter the playoff picture.
Yeah, I mean, the best thing

802
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:42,280
that they can do, for lack
of a better term, is trust the

803
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:47,559
process. Like this is a roster
that is completely devoid of hope with the

804
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:52,280
current pieces. You know, they
need to move Blake Griffin if they can.

805
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:53,880
They need to move Derek Rose if
they can. They should try to

806
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:59,079
resign Christian Wood even if the price
rises pretty high based on what we saw

807
00:51:59,199 --> 00:52:02,119
at the tail end of this last
season. But beyond that, there is

808
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:07,840
not a great long term player on
this roster. And we even have questions

809
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:12,079
about Christian Would because of the lack
of sample size. So you need to

810
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,159
you need to be bad, like
really bad before you get good here.

811
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,880
And if you want to do him
yourself to the mediocrity treadmill, then the

812
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:24,039
answer to the question is check back
in a decade now. If they did

813
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:29,079
nothing this offseason, Let's say they
resigned Christian Would, they don't trade Blake

814
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:31,239
Griffin, they don't trade Derrick Rose, and they're using their cap space not

815
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,920
on fred van Fleet but on just
one year deals. If everything hits you,

816
00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:38,480
you're keeping Luconard. There's a chance
that they could sneak into the final

817
00:52:38,519 --> 00:52:43,920
playoff spot. In the right,
you're a first round You're going to be

818
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,199
a first round exit there, right, And so I think they're in this

819
00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:50,000
weird position where they actively need to
deconstruct some of their roster if they want

820
00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:53,280
to get like legitimately bad unless you're
just not going to play Blake Griffin if

821
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,679
he's healthy, because look, the
less time Blake Griffin was healthy, he

822
00:52:55,679 --> 00:52:58,679
made an All NBA team. I'm
not saying that's going to happen again,

823
00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:00,400
but if he is healthy, your
team is going to be not terrible.

824
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:05,280
I have nothing against the Pistons as
an organization or their fans, but they

825
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,960
are in the absolute worst possible spot
to be in the NBA right now,

826
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:13,920
where with their current pieces, they're
going to be good enough to convince themselves

827
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,159
that they can get into the playoffs, but that's their ceiling. Yeah,

828
00:53:17,199 --> 00:53:21,440
I think you could argue between them
Charlotte and the Nicks being in the worst

829
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,079
long term position in the muta.
I would like to amend that statement.

830
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:30,239
I think that the title or failure
conversation that we so often have is a

831
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:36,719
little bit corrosive and less than ideal. So if if the Pistons really do

832
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,760
want to compete for a playoff spot, and their fans get to be excited

833
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:43,159
about being in the playoffs. Power
to them, that's not necessarily a bad

834
00:53:43,159 --> 00:53:45,599
thing, but through the lens of
wanting to be a top four team or

835
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:51,599
a championship contender, they are in
the worst possible spot. Next question comes

836
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:55,159
from a long time listener of Miroslav
Shook ass how many All Stars will change

837
00:53:55,159 --> 00:54:00,760
teams before the season starts. Let's
set up, gonna give you an over

838
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:07,480
under on this three point five under. Really, yeah, what I think

839
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,320
two of us? We're talking about
this past year's All Stars? Right?

840
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,119
Uh no, just well, I
think players that you can envision making an

841
00:54:16,159 --> 00:54:22,880
All Star appearance. Okay, so
Chris Paul, Chris Paul is the obvious

842
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,880
one. I would say one of
Drew Holiday or Oladipot. So that feels

843
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:32,440
like two. So that's two.
Where's your third name? Like Aaron Gordon

844
00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:37,960
doesn't qualify? What about Gordon Hayward? Is he really like still an All

845
00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:42,000
Star? Or I mean that was
his All Star appearances were a while ago

846
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:46,360
at this point. What about maybe
Demarda Rosen that to go on? Or

847
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:51,960
La Marcus Aldridge or Marcus Aldridge,
brandon Ingram's not moving, Anthony Davis isn't

848
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,960
moving. And beyond that, there
are no all stars in this free agency

849
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:58,800
class, so you're stuck on trade
on trades here, Well, okay,

850
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,519
so would you? So I have
a few names to then throw out at

851
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:05,480
you. Would you consider Al Horford
or Tobias Harris of that ILK at all

852
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,440
not anymore feels like a little bit
low on to buy's Harris, But I

853
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,119
think also fair enough. He wasn't
an All Star beforehand. He's never been

854
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:15,800
an all He did nearly come close
in the West, though, Like that

855
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,800
was an all star caliber season he
was having before a trade deadline. He

856
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:22,760
had one fantastic year or fantastic half
year. Wow, just really Mike,

857
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,760
Mike Conley and a CP three for
a Conley swap. I don't think he's

858
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:30,360
going anywhere, So that's that's probably
mood. I don't think Portland's gonna end

859
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:37,079
up trading McCollum. Maybe three point
five, I'm gonna be optimistic. That

860
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:39,679
was aggressive. The line should have
been two point five. I would take

861
00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:43,639
the over on both because if we're
including Demartar Rosen and the Marcus Aldrich.

862
00:55:43,639 --> 00:55:47,400
I'm going to be optimistic about transaction. I can't see the Spurs in what

863
00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:52,559
could be Popovich's final season trading their
best players. Okay, so what about

864
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:57,360
wouldn't a Sabonis or Miles Turner fall
under this too? Sabonis would I'm not

865
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,039
sure about Miles Turner. I like
Miles Turner along your term then sabonus.

866
00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:04,079
So maybe that's in my own head. So let's go two point five or

867
00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:06,320
do you want to say three so
that there could be a push, We'll

868
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,480
split the difference. I'm still gonna
go with two, all right, so

869
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,480
we'll take two. I don't think
we're going to see a lot of movement

870
00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:15,119
this year, all right, two
point five, I'm taking me over.

871
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:21,119
Adam's taking me under. Circle back
for your well, actual these people,

872
00:56:21,199 --> 00:56:23,960
because they will, they will be
present when the time is right. I

873
00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:28,480
can't believe you're taking me under on
two point five when we just said probably

874
00:56:28,519 --> 00:56:31,599
two of Oladipo holiday and CP three
get moved. I just don't see any

875
00:56:31,639 --> 00:56:37,119
others man, You're a hater.
This comes from the official Aaron Bains fan

876
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:38,920
Club Twitter account. What does Aaron
Bains need to do next season to become

877
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:44,559
the career leader in both value over
replacement player VORP or box plus minus VPM.

878
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,599
Just keep being Aaron Bains. That
was actually a response ATG thirty four

879
00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:52,079
said, just be himself. He
is the greatest player in the league.

880
00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:54,239
Yeah, I just exposed my burner, didn't I. That is like a

881
00:56:54,519 --> 00:57:00,519
very like niche fan base, Aaron
Bains. It's very popular, very very

882
00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:07,039
vociferous. A serious question though here
from Joe Schlow. Can you guys take

883
00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:10,280
over Oh this isn't Can you guys
take over national and state polling for twenty

884
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:14,280
twenty two and twenty twenty four?
I mean, I'm game if you are.

885
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:17,840
I'm not, because that is a
miserable job. I mean, the

886
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:22,559
polsters, the leading, the leading
posters out there, I have done everything

887
00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:29,119
they can to account for the failures
of twenty sixteen polling by weighing different demographics

888
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:31,679
differently, and you know, trying
to adjust and trying to find, you

889
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:36,199
know, the shy voters out there
and everything. It's an impossible job.

890
00:57:36,639 --> 00:57:43,239
And it's made even more difficult by
the dizzying number of American voters who don't

891
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,159
understand what probabilities mean, which is
a little bit frustrating. But yeah,

892
00:57:46,199 --> 00:57:50,639
I mean, like Nate Silver talked
about this throughout Tuesday night, and I

893
00:57:50,679 --> 00:57:53,480
think in part because he was trying
to defend the model failing yet again.

894
00:57:53,920 --> 00:58:00,800
It's really hard to get polls done
in election seasons now because you know,

895
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:05,639
you you you try to get a
thousand people and eight of them respond to

896
00:58:05,679 --> 00:58:07,840
you, and you don't know if
they're lying. It's just it is a

897
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:14,039
thankless and incredibly difficult job. And
I feel like a lot of the discussion

898
00:58:14,159 --> 00:58:17,159
about politics over the next four years
is going to be about how we can

899
00:58:17,199 --> 00:58:22,719
remedy that. If we even can, I would say we could address polling

900
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,960
by batting polling, we'll just be
where Look. The other thing I can't

901
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:30,000
even remember if you mentioned this at
the top, would be the people that

902
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,159
they're reaching for these polls, like
and how they're reaching them by like phone

903
00:58:32,199 --> 00:58:36,079
in the middle of like a work
day or something like is well, there

904
00:58:36,199 --> 00:58:38,880
there are various different styles of polling. There's the live caller, there's the

905
00:58:39,079 --> 00:58:43,760
landline only, there's the online polling. There there are so many different varieties,

906
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,519
but none of them are are sound. Exit polling is definitely not sound.

907
00:58:47,719 --> 00:58:52,480
Yeah, let's ignore that for sure. Nick Conrand asked, this is

908
00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:55,320
the serious question. What percentage of
shots to Siakam take off a spin move?

909
00:58:55,559 --> 00:58:59,599
Now, I'm assuming you didn't research
this like I did. I did,

910
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,159
I did. Okay, Yeah,
it's eighty two point three percent.

911
00:59:01,239 --> 00:59:04,599
Okay, so you did not.
Whenever you make up a stat do you

912
00:59:04,599 --> 00:59:07,920
know that you use eighty two point
three percent. Eighty two point three percent

913
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:12,960
of the time. So there wasn't
anything on like actual spin shots broken down

914
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,400
in the tracking data. So I
looked at his turnaround shots, which,

915
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:19,440
in theory, even though those could
come from postops, he took a lot

916
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,920
of those on his spins. So
he had one hundred and twenty one of

917
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,760
those. If you remove that,
or if you just measure that against his

918
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,559
share a field goal attempts, which
were one thousand, one hundred and four,

919
00:59:30,159 --> 00:59:32,920
it's ten point nine percent closer to
eleven percent. So I'm just gonna

920
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:37,440
say he takes close to eleven to
fifteen percent. Would have thrown you know,

921
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,719
a cushion there off his shots off
of spin moves. Eighty two point

922
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:45,079
three That is not I mean,
if you eighty two point three the shots

923
00:59:45,079 --> 00:59:47,519
may not come off spin moves.
So maybe you're closer there. I mean

924
00:59:47,559 --> 00:59:52,119
it seemed that way against Boston in
particular, they were just so ready for

925
00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:57,639
it, and it felt like he
spun directly into an an awaiting defender just

926
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,840
time after time. He was just
a Clotson traffic that series, especially at

927
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:05,159
the end of it. This one
comes from Vermillion. What pieces do the

928
01:00:05,199 --> 01:00:09,920
Dallas Mavericks need to become title contenders? I would argue against them needing pieces

929
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:14,360
plural. Yeah, that's that's kind
of where I was going to, like,

930
01:00:14,519 --> 01:00:19,960
I think that you need I'm not
I'm not really sure like what they

931
01:00:20,039 --> 01:00:25,000
need to add? Are they already
title contenders with the roster as currently constructed?

932
01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:29,880
I mean, Rick Carlisle on the
sideline is gonna make sure that you

933
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,119
have a high floor from everyone on
the roster. Don Chitch is gonna keep

934
01:00:32,119 --> 01:00:37,000
getting better. Chris Stops when he
was healthy, was phenomenal next to Don

935
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:40,719
Chich, Tim Hardaway, Junior Courtney
Lee, Seth Curry. You've got the

936
01:00:40,719 --> 01:00:45,239
shooters. I mean, what if
what if Dwight Powell had stayed healthy all

937
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:50,320
season? I think that this is
a team that's maybe maybe as currently constructed,

938
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:54,519
they're like a fringe title contender if
we're being generous, Yeah, I

939
01:00:54,519 --> 01:00:59,159
mean Courtney Lee is not going to
be there next year anyway, And I

940
01:00:59,159 --> 01:01:02,000
don't know like how much can count
on from like like the lawn Rights a

941
01:01:02,039 --> 01:01:05,639
good player, but I don't know
if he's actually like the best fit for

942
01:01:05,679 --> 01:01:08,280
the Mavericks. I think they're I've
said this before. I think they're like

943
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:12,559
a half a player away from title
contentions where I don't think you need to

944
01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:15,400
go out and get another star because
you could probably still count on Kris Stops

945
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,639
to play maybe fifty games a season, but you need the in between player.

946
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,599
And if I were them, and
this might be unpopular, because they're

947
01:01:22,599 --> 01:01:25,880
slated to have cap space in twenty
twenty one, and even to sign Yann's

948
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,719
there, they would still need to
make like another move to clear salary.

949
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,880
If you already need to do that, Like try going all in on this

950
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:36,599
offseason, like is there a sign
and trade to be had for for Gallo

951
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:38,760
or fred van Fleet If you're just
interested in someone who's also going to play

952
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:43,400
defense. If you can get that
extra shot creator this summer, I think

953
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,519
you do vault up into that title
contender discussion, or at least incredibly close

954
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:49,960
to it. I don't think.
Maybe the best way to frame it then,

955
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,000
though, is like I don't think
they need an actual All Star,

956
01:01:52,159 --> 01:01:55,880
but they do need someone who won. They just need more shot creation.

957
01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:00,440
In general, it would help if
he someone who could get stops, but

958
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,920
I think the more important thing is
like you kind of need that player who

959
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:07,239
can soften the blow of how much
time it feels like Christaps Porzingis is going

960
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,480
to miss throughout his career, which
it does seem inevitable that he'll continue to

961
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:15,039
miss time. And then yeah,
if I like how you put it that

962
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:19,880
they're like a half piece away and
if you're worried about cap space in twenty

963
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,880
twenty one, if Yannis wants to
go to Dallas, it will find a

964
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:24,440
way to make it happen. I
don't think as sign and trade with Fred

965
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:28,559
van Fleet. I'm not saying Toronto
would entertain it if they're getting a first

966
01:02:28,599 --> 01:02:30,960
round pick and Jalen Brunson back.
I don't know, maybe if they don't

967
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,000
want to pay van Fleet, but
if it's Gallo, you think, Okaycy

968
01:02:34,039 --> 01:02:36,719
would certainly be open to that,
and that's assuming maybe he signs for the

969
01:02:36,719 --> 01:02:40,360
mid level anyway, Who knows you
can find a way to move other salary

970
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:44,039
if you need to, Like if
Yannis wants to come to Dallas, johannest

971
01:02:44,039 --> 01:02:47,280
will go to Dallas. Whether you
have near max space, actual max space,

972
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:51,880
no space at all, it'll it'll
end. If they're pursuing him and

973
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,159
he doesn't sign, then Mark Cuban
will just say that they had other priorities

974
01:02:55,760 --> 01:03:00,119
moving right along. The Dwight Howard
throwback reference like that one Darren Williams.

975
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:04,559
Didn't he say that for him too? Or no, I don't remember if

976
01:03:04,559 --> 01:03:07,559
he said it for a d Will. I think all the players they've been

977
01:03:07,559 --> 01:03:10,519
most heavily linked to that they missed
out on. It's probably good for their

978
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:15,360
long term vitals that they missed out
on signing them. Yeah, like DeAndre

979
01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:17,320
the first time. Maybe that's the
one that you would grating, Like Dwight

980
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,880
Darren Williams. I'm trying to think
they were never really like heavily linked to

981
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:28,000
Lebron or Jimmy Butler or Kawai just
move or thought. I'm trying to I'm

982
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,599
trying to think back. Yeah,
I mean the Dwight Howard is the big

983
01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:36,639
one. The last question comes from
the NBA Chicken with all the changes off

984
01:03:36,639 --> 01:03:39,480
the court for the Sixers, what
roster changes could happen to fit the new

985
01:03:39,519 --> 01:03:49,000
management along with possible offensive scheme changes. Can I swing at the low hanging

986
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:53,000
fruit? One? Absolutely? They
were fifth in mid range frequency this past

987
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:57,039
season. That is not happening again
next season. I don't think there are

988
01:03:57,079 --> 01:04:00,159
always going to try and have them
shoot fifty three is a game, but

989
01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:02,599
you're not going to see that almost
thirty four percent of their shots came from

990
01:04:02,599 --> 01:04:08,000
mid range. Only the Pacers Thunder
Warriors in San Antonio took a higher share

991
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:13,400
of their shots from mid range.
Philly is going to be noticeably lower on

992
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:15,880
that ladder next season. Look,
I mean, ultimately, you need more

993
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:19,280
shooters and you need more ball andlers. That's what it comes down to.

994
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:24,239
That's what Philly's obvious weaknesses were this
year. And if you're going to continue

995
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:28,199
to roll out Ben Simmons and Joel
Embiide, which you should, you need

996
01:04:28,239 --> 01:04:31,599
those players because Simmons is not going
to shoot, but he is phenomenal at

997
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:38,239
setting up other shooters, which they
just didn't have. I mean, I

998
01:04:38,239 --> 01:04:42,119
think it's as simple as that we
talked about on the Daryl Moray episode.

999
01:04:42,159 --> 01:04:45,440
How you know, he has this
reputation as a guy who, you know,

1000
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:50,840
an analytics devotee who wants to take
all shots at the rim and from

1001
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:57,119
three point range. And while that
might be his preference, he also caters

1002
01:04:57,239 --> 01:05:01,360
to the desires and style of his
star players while trying to acquire more star

1003
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:06,360
players. So this roster needs more
shooters and needs more ball handlers. You

1004
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:11,320
know, they went out and they
tried to address that by getting Alec Burks,

1005
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:15,360
by making a couple other fringe moves, by elevating Shake Milton into the

1006
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:19,639
starting lineup, just get better versions
of those guys. And the problem is

1007
01:05:19,639 --> 01:05:23,320
though they only have the mini mL
E and maybe that goes further than it

1008
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,199
would in normal seasons, but you
might need to use that to keep Burkes,

1009
01:05:26,199 --> 01:05:29,280
who would argue is probably essential to
this roster. Now Yeah, yeah,

1010
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:30,880
I don't know where the moves are
staring them in the face if you're

1011
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:34,480
looking for like higher end options.
The James Harden deal, if it ever

1012
01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:38,119
happens, I doubt it happens this
season. And you have to assume that

1013
01:05:38,159 --> 01:05:41,760
Tilan Fertida would want to do business
with the Sixers after you know, Daryl

1014
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,840
Morey said he wanted to leave and
spend time with his family, even though

1015
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:46,320
there was probably an element perhaps of
him being forced out of Houston. But

1016
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,800
then it ends up with Sixers two
weeks later. If that was a more

1017
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:54,639
mutual split than the circumstances made it
seemed, then perhaps And also look,

1018
01:05:54,880 --> 01:06:00,199
Raphaels don't worked with Daryl Moorey,
so perhaps there's that relationship there, But

1019
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,719
like I think their best path if
you're looking again for like a higher end

1020
01:06:04,199 --> 01:06:09,440
solution, can you latch onto like
any of these deals as a third team

1021
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,840
where maybe like there's outgoing pieces involved
that don't make sense for like one of

1022
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:16,199
the two primary teams. Let's use
the Nets and the Pelicans for example,

1023
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,360
like maybe dim what he doesn't make
that much sense for the Pelicans long term?

1024
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:25,239
Can Philadelphia involve itself in that deal
to a fantastic fit? Right?

1025
01:06:25,519 --> 01:06:27,960
The question is, then, though, is Brooklyn willing to send him to

1026
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,079
Philly even as part of a three
team deal when they play in the you

1027
01:06:31,079 --> 01:06:35,280
know, the same conference, they're
ostensibly like jockeying for the same position.

1028
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,360
And then look, if you're Philly, even if you're going after Din,

1029
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:40,840
what do you have to you know, I don't know if Josh Richardson and

1030
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,880
then first is enough to get him
in a third team deal. I guess

1031
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:47,280
if you're New Orleans that Josh Richardson's
a great fit in New Orleans. Doesn't

1032
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,480
provide a ton of ball handling,
but you don't necessarily need that. You

1033
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:54,960
just need stoppers. So that's that's
someone a name that springs to mind.

1034
01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:59,360
But I don't know when you have
two contending rivals, at least in theory,

1035
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:00,960
in the same friends, I don't
know how willing they'd be to do

1036
01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:04,000
each other a solid like yeah,
for Philly did when he would be great,

1037
01:07:04,159 --> 01:07:06,800
But you also want to help the
Nets cat Drew Holiday, right,

1038
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,880
and that does make everything a little
bit more tricky. But yeah, I

1039
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:13,840
mean, ultimately, I guess I
just remained pretty bullish on the seventy six

1040
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:18,000
ers as currently constructed. No come, I do. I do. I

1041
01:07:18,039 --> 01:07:25,679
think that they are just one or
two moves and better leadership away from figuring

1042
01:07:25,719 --> 01:07:30,320
things out. Like the Simmons.
The Simmons Embid partnership has had diminishing returns,

1043
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:35,840
but they had to diminish from something
like this. That pairing now three

1044
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:43,360
seasons ago was incredible. Those players
have only gotten better since then. It's

1045
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,519
just it's a matter of managing to
maximize those talents they made. We known

1046
01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:49,639
they made a big mistake by letting
Jimmy Butler go, by letting JJ Reddick

1047
01:07:49,679 --> 01:07:55,039
go, and you're not going to
find players of that ilk this offseason,

1048
01:07:55,559 --> 01:08:00,079
but the formula is still there.
Here's my issue with that take is that

1049
01:08:00,159 --> 01:08:03,679
it's great that they're one or two
moves away. But when you say that

1050
01:08:03,719 --> 01:08:06,239
as a team that's slated to have
basically at least one hundred and fifty million

1051
01:08:06,239 --> 01:08:10,920
dollars pay roll next season, So
to get those to make those one or

1052
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:14,000
two moves is verging on impossible now. And that's why I'm so I feel

1053
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,000
like they do need something more major
than just soldering on. Maybe I'm wrong.

1054
01:08:17,039 --> 01:08:20,000
I don't think that major is let's
move Simmons or Embiid. That definitely

1055
01:08:20,079 --> 01:08:26,520
becomes a topic next off season if
this upcoming season ends in disappointment again.

1056
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,640
But I kind of diverge with the
fact that I'm not bullish on this roster

1057
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,640
at all that's currently constructed, Like
they need another higher end ball handler and

1058
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:36,239
shooter, and like you just don't
necessarily have even if you might have the

1059
01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:41,560
residual asset equity. Just looking at
first, you just the contracts that you

1060
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,960
would have to move. Probably al
Horfords Tobias Harris are just so tough to

1061
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,239
move that maybe you're looking at a
solution if it's Buddy Healed, Yeah,

1062
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:50,760
sure, Like if that deal is
actually doable, the one that's been floated

1063
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:55,520
at Horford for heeled framework, that
would be great. I don't know why

1064
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:58,920
they came to do that for Yeah, I was going to say it would

1065
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:00,920
be phenomenal for the six Ers,
but like, I don't want to move

1066
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,560
to Bias Harris. If he had
the best half season of his career under

1067
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:10,640
Doc Rivers, if the talent is
there, he is theoretically a strong fit

1068
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:15,119
next to the incumbent stars. I
think he's the biggest reason why I'm still

1069
01:09:15,119 --> 01:09:17,840
like yeah, Like I can still
see this working. I would agree that

1070
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:23,239
if you had it probably costs more
to get to Bias Harris off your books

1071
01:09:23,239 --> 01:09:26,199
at this point anyway, So I
would move out Horford first to begin with.

1072
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:30,840
However, if your move is them
not trading to Bias Harris, like

1073
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:36,079
I don't, that's not enough to
make me bullish on this roster. Well,

1074
01:09:36,119 --> 01:09:40,960
we'll have to trace that you're staring
you're staring blankly at me. After

1075
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,399
that, we'll have to track that
along with the over under of two point

1076
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:46,760
five. We actually did have one
more question that I accidentally skipped over that

1077
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:51,279
you were talking about before we started. It comes from Franco Savariar. Apologize

1078
01:09:51,319 --> 01:09:55,680
if I butchered that pronunciation. Who
do you think the Charlotte Hornet should get

1079
01:09:56,039 --> 01:10:00,720
with the third pick? Are they
gonna have a choice? They just picked

1080
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:05,119
the player that wasn't picked by the
two teams in front of them. Yes,

1081
01:10:05,319 --> 01:10:09,960
if there is a clear cut top
three in this draft, is there

1082
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,960
who? It feels like, you
know, we're we're seeing rumors about LaMelo

1083
01:10:14,039 --> 01:10:17,600
Ball falling down the board now,
and you know this, this just feels

1084
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,920
so voluable. It feels like it
could be a year with an Anthony Bennett

1085
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:27,159
style surprise number one draft pick,
as rare as that happens. But yeah,

1086
01:10:27,159 --> 01:10:30,800
I mean, I think the first
place they're gonna look is at center

1087
01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:35,399
right because Cody zeller Is is their
starting center. He's only under contract for

1088
01:10:35,399 --> 01:10:39,479
one more year. He doesn't have
much upside even if he is a solid

1089
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:43,720
player when he's healthy, So I
think you're looking at on Yuko Kongwu or

1090
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:47,119
James Wiseman. Wiseman to me,
seems like the better fit there. He

1091
01:10:47,239 --> 01:10:53,560
offers more upside on the defensive end
in particular for that roster, I think.

1092
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:58,079
But I just I can't see them
taking like a LaMelo Ball if he

1093
01:10:58,119 --> 01:11:00,680
falls, because why would you want
him there next to Devonte Graham and Terry

1094
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:04,279
Rosier. That just that doesn't seem
to make sense. Similarly, you don't

1095
01:11:04,319 --> 01:11:08,680
want an Anthony Edwards where the primary
talent is scoring and we don't even know

1096
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,239
if he's going to be an efficient
score I personally don't think he will be,

1097
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,159
So it feels like it has to
be a big man or a reach

1098
01:11:15,239 --> 01:11:16,800
on, like a three and D
guy, like a Devin Vassel or something.

1099
01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:21,319
But it's just there. There don't
seem to be that many great options

1100
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:26,439
if Charlotte stays at number three,
which is by no means a lock.

1101
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,880
Yeah, so I'm not as against
them going the Edwards ball route because I

1102
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:36,039
think those either one of those players
and especially LaMelo Ball, even though I'm

1103
01:11:36,079 --> 01:11:40,319
not his biggest fan, has a
higher upside than anyone else on their roster

1104
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:42,479
right now, and that includes a
Devonte Graham, So I don't think you

1105
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:45,079
could draft for based on fit at
this point. I know you have Rosio

1106
01:11:45,079 --> 01:11:47,319
and Devonte Gram. I would take
LaMelo Ball anyway. Look, there's a

1107
01:11:47,399 --> 01:11:49,560
chance all three of them could play
together. A Meloball is six eight,

1108
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:56,920
so that's not like impossible. I
don't I'm not sure how interested I am

1109
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:00,840
in them trading down it would you
have to get something like I don't know

1110
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:03,039
who's giving them something to move up
to number three. I'm more curious as

1111
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:06,399
what if they want to remove the
guesswork from the equation and move up,

1112
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:10,359
Like, what are you willing to
give up to go to number two or

1113
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:14,479
number three to where you could in
theory? Then I think Ball or Wiseman

1114
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,039
are the better fits for them,
better long term prospects for them. So

1115
01:12:17,079 --> 01:12:21,800
if you're number two, you ensure
yourself of getting one of them, or

1116
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:25,439
if you move up to number one, you could take your pick. Obviously,

1117
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:27,840
I just don't know that it's worth
it in this draft class. And

1118
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:30,439
look, if you want Anthony Edwards, you can just go trade for the

1119
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:34,359
older version and get Andrew Wiggins from
the Warriors. We'll revisit that take too.

1120
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:36,880
I'm not really sure how I feel
about that. Here's a trade.

1121
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:40,720
You are sure how to feel about
that one, because I've said it a

1122
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,439
thousand times to you on the side
over the last year, right, But

1123
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:46,680
I don't know. It pains me. It pains me as a Georgia alot.

1124
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:50,880
I'm here for the desperately wants to
have a Georgia bulldog better than Cantavious

1125
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:56,479
called well Pope in the NBA,
that's third best player on a championship team.

1126
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:00,920
Cantaba's called well Pope to you,
Adam, Just FYI, that's fair,

1127
01:13:00,239 --> 01:13:03,000
that's fair. Here's so I had
thrown this trade at you, I

1128
01:13:03,039 --> 01:13:06,119
think a week or two ago when
we were talking in slack, and I'm

1129
01:13:06,119 --> 01:13:09,199
curious how you feel about it.
Now, let's say they want to move

1130
01:13:09,279 --> 01:13:11,319
Let's say they want to move up
to number one. I wouldn't do this

1131
01:13:11,359 --> 01:13:14,520
trade or something some variances of it
to move up to number two. I

1132
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:18,920
think everyone's floated number two for Miles
Bridges and number three, which I would

1133
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:24,760
probably do, would you do?
PJ? Washington? And number three for

1134
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:30,119
number one? Number seventeen Jake Layman, and then a twenty twenty two second

1135
01:13:30,199 --> 01:13:33,640
coming from the more favorable from Denver
or Philadelphia. I'm just I'm so out

1136
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:38,319
on the top prospects being worth moving
up to get that. No matter what

1137
01:13:38,399 --> 01:13:41,880
trade you throw at me right now. If it involves giving up a legitimate

1138
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:45,800
asset like PJ. Washington or Miles
Bridges to move up one or two spots,

1139
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,520
I'm just I'm not doing it.
I think if you view either of

1140
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:53,199
the players you're trying to get by
moving up as the guy, it's definitely

1141
01:13:53,319 --> 01:13:57,920
a worth while opportunity cost. I
wouldn't worry as much about giving up Miles

1142
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,319
Bridges to take a swing at US. If you could do Miles Bridges and

1143
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,039
number three for number one in a
heartbeat, to me, that should be

1144
01:14:03,079 --> 01:14:05,960
done. I know moving up one
spot might feel a little bit different,

1145
01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:09,840
but you have PJ. Washington Bridges, there's just a ton of overlap because

1146
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:13,600
neither one of them should be defending
or playing the three. To me,

1147
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,119
so you have some lego room there. I'm intrigued far more by PJ.

1148
01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:20,760
Washington, which surprises no one.
And if you view LaMelo Ball or James

1149
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:25,760
Wiseman or even Anthony Edwards as the
guy, I do think there's some franchise

1150
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,800
value in like, you know what
we're gonna We're gonna go after it.

1151
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:31,199
And if it costs us PJ.
Washington, but we're getting another first and

1152
01:14:31,239 --> 01:14:34,439
a second and then a usual player
in Jake Layman on the wings, then

1153
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:38,319
yeah, we can do it.
But I totally understand your trepidation there.

1154
01:14:38,399 --> 01:14:41,359
I in a vacuum wouldn't do it
either, because I really like PJ.

1155
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:45,800
Washington. If you replaced him with
Miles Bridges, that's where from Charlotte's perspective,

1156
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:49,760
for me it becomes no brainer.
Territory. Yeah, I just I

1157
01:14:50,079 --> 01:14:54,800
stand by, like I like LaMelo
Ball as a prospect, I don't love

1158
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:59,640
him. I don't have that much
confidence in James Wiseman or a Congo Will

1159
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:02,760
or Anthony Edwards, as I've made
painfully clear. So yeah, I just

1160
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,600
it's just not worth it to me. Here's I'll throw this question at you

1161
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:10,000
and then we'll get out of here. Of the three, who's more likely

1162
01:15:10,079 --> 01:15:14,479
to drop outside the top three?
I think Ball is. You do think

1163
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:16,640
it's Ball. I do think it's
Ball because I feel like he's a hate

1164
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,800
it, hate him or love him
prospect, And I could just see a

1165
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:23,800
couple of teams being out and then
him kind of free falling a little bit.

1166
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,720
I'm like, I go back and
forth because I'm wondering, wondering if

1167
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,399
it's Aunty Edwards, who's left?
Is he the one that could drop?

1168
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:35,319
Because it feels like Denny avia had
just has so many like fans out there,

1169
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:42,920
and I like, I'm Edwards just
checks so many of like the prototypical

1170
01:15:43,039 --> 01:15:46,800
draft prospect boxes. Like he played
in a power conference. He he scores,

1171
01:15:47,239 --> 01:15:53,359
he is remarkably athletic. He just
doesn't have a feel for playing basketball,

1172
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:58,960
and like, if you believe that
can be taught you, you're going

1173
01:15:59,039 --> 01:16:01,920
to triple down. But you've you've
like you're hedging now too, or like

1174
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:03,920
you're playing both sides of the fence
because you're like, well, he won't

1175
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:08,880
drop past number three, but he's
Andrew Wig. I think the NBA teams

1176
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:13,920
convince themselves that they can turn the
tools into a convincing player, all right,

1177
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:16,119
So especially in this draft, I'm
going player over tools, Like I

1178
01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:21,760
wouldn't take Anthony Edwards in the top
ten. Holy shit, that's spicier than

1179
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,600
I feel like Adam Spanella, a
friend of the Pot, saying he wouldn't

1180
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:30,079
take Lamella Ball in the in the
lottery. I feel like that's the spicier

1181
01:16:30,119 --> 01:16:31,720
one, all right, fair enough. So if you were on the board

1182
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:36,159
at number three, Wiseman and Ball
are gone, would you take Anny Avia

1183
01:16:36,279 --> 01:16:42,159
over Anthony Edwards? Yes? Would
you take anybody else over Anthony Edward?

1184
01:16:42,159 --> 01:16:45,520
I would take it Kong as well. And those are like your only no

1185
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:46,960
brainer ones, where everyone else it
would be at least a discussion or are

1186
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:48,800
you that low with Anthony Edwards And
you're like, you know what, No,

1187
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:53,039
I'll take Haliburton at number three before
I take Edwards at number three,

1188
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:56,800
I would probably take Haliburton as well. Wow, I feel I don't like

1189
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,960
Anthony Edwards as a prospect. I've
I've watched so many of his games again

1190
01:17:00,039 --> 01:17:02,319
as a Georgia fan in alum,
Like, you know, I so badly

1191
01:17:02,399 --> 01:17:06,119
wanted him to be good, and
I just I don't see it, you

1192
01:17:06,159 --> 01:17:09,960
know, Like sometimes you just watch
a prospect and you're like he looks lost

1193
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,600
out there, like if he doesn't
have the ball in his hands, he

1194
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,159
doesn't understand what he's supposed to do
or where he's supposed to go, and

1195
01:17:15,239 --> 01:17:19,920
just looks uninvolved. The defensive tools
just didn't seem to be coming together in

1196
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:24,600
any way. And I've just I've
been burned by too many like hyper athletic

1197
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:28,359
prospects who are are athletes and not
basketball players at this stage of their career.

1198
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:30,520
And I hope he proves me wrong. I really do, But like

1199
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,359
I just, you know, sometimes
you just watch a prospect and you just

1200
01:17:33,359 --> 01:17:38,920
don't get it. And that's where
I'm at here. That sounds that's both

1201
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:42,640
fair and coherent, so I'll accept
it. I the actual last thing I'll

1202
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say, do you know who I've
been become obsessed with one or two players

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every draft? It was Nikiel Alexander
Walker last year, think with Shae Gilden

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Axander of the year before that.
Frankie Lachina is still my my siren song.

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This year, it's I haven't talked
about it much. I mentioned a

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few times. It was Patrick Williams
and he was projected to go outside the

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lottery, and I'm seeing him in
like the top ten of yeah, and

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I'm curious to see where he goes
because I when I was talking to Spins

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about this, I said I viewed
him as this is coming from someone who

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has done minimal draft prep prep.
Let me say, I'm like, I'm

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like shin deep, like not even
knee deep, I'm shift deep in draft

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prep. He feels like a slowed
down version of Jonathan Isaac who could actually

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create his own shot and shoot,
and that's a fantastic basketball player. It's

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also the youngest nca prospect in the
class that too, so he's I have

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no feel for where he's going to
go anymore, but it seems like he's

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now top ten consensus and that was
I saw him like mocked as low as

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like seventeen at one point. Yeah, yeah, he's He's definitely rocketed up

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the boards from everything what you've seen. You want you want to end with

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my super hot draft take. I
don't even know if I can take it.

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I'm running wearing mittens because I don't
want to get burned. My super

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hot take is I would take Grant
Riller over Anthony Edwards. What is Grant

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01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:00,680
Riller even an actual prospect? I'm
just you need to go go watch some

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01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:06,079
tape there so you I can't.
This is like I'm not even gonna justify

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it. I'm just throwing it out
there. We can talk more about it

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in another episode. Would you take, like, are you taking the more

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complimentary players where like a Devin Vassel
or Sadique Bay two players I'm also obsessed

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with from this draft where they're like, I don't know what the upside is

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01:19:18,359 --> 01:19:21,399
there, but they're yes, you
would take them over Anthon, Yes in

1229
01:19:21,399 --> 01:19:26,039
this specific class. Yes. So
you're just I'm valuing floor over ceiling here

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because okay, yeah, I think
when it's framed that way, that's fine.

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I have not heard anyone I love
Grant Riller. Where is he even

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mocked right now? I feel like
that's the first time we've even hear not

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even in the first round in a
Well, then I have to again shin

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deep in draft prep. I don't
know who Grant Riller is, so I'm

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gonna look at that name apparently.
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