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crime, Bill Thomas. Hi, it's Bill Thomas. For this next series
of bonus episodes, we're going to go back to a series of episodes we
did on the Galaine Maxwell case involving the late not so great Jeffrey Epstein.
We hope you enjoy these bonus episodes of Mind over Murder and as always,
thanks for listening. Welcome to Mind Over Murder. I'm Kristin Deli and I'm
Bill Thomas, and we're here to bring you some additional reporting on the trial
of Gallaine Maxwell. The sleazy, sort of nasty details that kind of then
shivers up your spine. We're here to report on them. I was saying
to you just before we went on air today that in reading the latest reporting
from this trial, if these were consenting adults, I don't think I'd have
a big problem with any of this, and if people want to live their
lives and do whatever they do, but the fact that these are fourteen year
old girls just filled with revulsion. I don't know how else to put that.
The things that have come out here during the Maxwell trial are enough to
engender rage, and I think most any person with a conscience and a heart,
the more that comes out during this trial more that I just have this
sense of rage toward this awful woman. And as you mentioned off air,
she's the only one that we can get mad at the moment. Jeffrey Epstein
is dead, either by his own hand or some vast conspiracy. We're not
sure which, but I still think he committed suicide. She's the only one
left that we can get mad about. I think that makes me all the
more invested in and pissed off all of these allegations that are coming out about
Colaine Maxwell. I'm not big on predicting the future, but I'd be shocked
if Maxwell gets off. These charges are so serious, there's so many of
them. This trial only centers on four of the victims. There could be
dozens, if not hundreds, of victims, and everybody tells the same story.
I know there was a serious attempt to discredit these four women, who
I have to credit with their bravery and their willingness to come forward. They
were fourteen year old girls when they were first prafficed by Maxwell and Epstein.
They're now women in their forties for the most part. But I have to
give them a lot of credit for being to step forward using aliases, some
using only their first names. I know. I think one of the four
is actually using her full name. Yes, So tell us what happened in
the trial, which is wrapping up much more quickly than originally anticipated. Yeah,
we were saying off air that this was anticipated to be six weeks long
at least that was certainly what was announced at the top of the trial,
but instead they have wrapped it up within a space of two weeks. The
testimony against Maxwell lasted twelve days. They have wrapped this up much more quickly
than anybody anticipated. Maybe because, as you were speculating earlier, it's because
we're about to enter a holiday, a long holiday break. Maybe just because
they felt that it would be a better idea to wrap it up as quickly
as possible. But for whatever reason, this went much more quickly than I
think either of us anticipated. I was surprised too, that the defense only
called eight witnesses this past Thursday and Friday before resting their case. Based on
the reporting that we've read, it didn't sound like they'd really put to They
are a very strong defense of Maxwell and her behavior, although according to her,
on the final day of trial, when asked if she would testify in
her own defense, she basically said no. She said, I'm not taking
the stand because they haven't presented a case beyond a reasonable doubt. So she
is quite confident that she's going to get off on all of this, I
would imagine, probably because she's rich and has gotten away with most everything her
entire life. Some of the analysis we'd read a few weeks ago, though,
said that defense attorney has to decide whether his or her client would benefit
from testifying. Remember, of course, if you testify, you open yourself
up to cross examination, which we don't think Maxwell would have ever wanted.
I also think that her being this incredibly rich, successful woman who seems to
have wasted her life in serving Jeffrey Epstein and basically acting as a procureur,
almost like a him. What a waste of phenomenal opportunity. Here's a woman
who is affluent and well educate, aided and well connected, and could have
done so many wonderful things, and she's trafficking in teenage girls. Yeah,
I think that her testimony would have completely backfired, in my opinion. I
think her arrogance and her sense of entitlement would have offended the jurors and made
them even more likely to find her guilty. I agree with that. I
think it probably ultimately is a very good thing that she did not testify before
we get it too terribly much. Further, we do want to acknowledge the
enormously wonderful reporting that has been done on this trial from the folks at Daily
Beast. The majority of what we are citing here today comes from an article
from Daily Based reporter Kate Bricolay. I'm so sorry if I'm mispronouncing that name,
but it is very French, and I'm not sure if I'm putting the
emphasis on the right syllables. But this is just tremendous reporting, and so
we thank her very much for the work that she has done. We are
going to use that as the basis for our discussion today. We know some
of the reporters for The Daily Beast, and we hope you don't get an
angry message from Kate saying you've made hash of my beautiful last name. I
know, I'm so sorry, And you would think that because I took French,
I would know how to say it, but I just have no confidence
that I'm saying it right. I'm so glad you took a shot at it
because I was looking at her byline and I thought we should absolutely acknowledge her.
And I thought, oh, let's let Kristin do that one. Yeah,
I think it's sprickle. That's the best I can come up with,
Kate. I am so sorry if I've said your name wrong. It's what
I got. Outstanding reporting. And we read a variety of articles, but
we thought this latest Daily Beast reporting was some of the best we'd seen.
Absolutely so thank you very much for your excellent work. So at this point
we have reached the end of the Maxwell trial. It's all over. But
the shouting, I think is the actual phrase that I'm trained to use here.
And the jury did begin deliberation on Monday after using arguments, and they
are looking to resume later on today. Today is Tuesday, right, I'm
on winter break. I don't remember the days of the week anymore. The
day we recorded this is a Tuesday, okay. Good to know. When
teachers go on winter break they forget all sense of time, place, date,
and everything else. Is that like brain disengagement? It really is.
Yes, you're going to be wrapping Christmas presents before we know it, So
that's true. We would assume, why haven't heard anything yet today. I
haven't checked the news within the last hour, but I don't think the jury
has come back with a verdict yet. Jurors saw a procession of witnesses from
the prosecution, twenty four of them in total over ten days. Four of
those victims that you were referencing earlier are listed in that indictment against Maxwell.
These were women who were, as we mentioned earlier, as young as fourteen
when they were trafficked and molested by Jeffrey Epstein, and several of them charged
that Gallaine Maxwell was involved with that molest day and abuse as well. So
what are some of the most important things that came out of the trial.
One of the things that really was emphasized for the jury is the fact that
there was this very tight bond between Epstein and Maxwell. This wasn't just a
nodding acquaintance that they had, It wasn't just business dealings. They really tried
to establish that Maxwell was very deeply entwined in Epstein's life. We had used
the phrase major domo, and I think that still applies. She was his
girlfriend. In any attempt I think by people to say, oh, she
was just a nodding acquaintance, No she wasn't. She was his girlfriend.
And so they spent a lot of time establishing she was there every step of
the way procuring these girls for him. And so they really spent a lot
of time the prosecution did, trying to lay out the fact that these two
are their accomplices and that they had this life of really almost insane luxury while
they were abusing these girls. And it was not girls who came from lifestyles
similar to theirs, but it was girls from financially struggling families or girls whose
home life was maybe not necessarily the strongest. They also addressed the fact that
Epstein imposed the reporting, referred to it as a code of silence to ensure
that their employees, specifically Epstein's housekeeper, would stay silent about what they were
seeing at Epstein's various residences. They used a very disturbing expression in the Daily
Beast reporting, which is they referred to Epstein and Maxwell as training these fourteen
year old girls sexually. There was something about it. The hair on the
back of my neck stood up. They would present these highly unusual sexually charged
situations and then sent those to these young girls who were very impressionable and as
you said, vulnerable. I think in previous reporting we've seen significant detail that
they seemed to zero in on these young women from very vulnerable backgrounds. One
girl's father had died recently. Another one confessed that her grandfather had abused her
sexually when she was younger. I think they look for young people that had
these areas of vulnerability that could be exploited, and then they pulled them in
to this world that was affluent and exciting. Several of them talked about how
the then thirty something Maxwell was an exciting new friend for them to have a
somewhat older woman who's clearly worldly and cultured express interest in them as people.
Exactly we have talked a number of times with our friend and podcast colleague Jim
Clemente and Laura Richards, both of them are experts on the concept of sexual
abuse and grooming behavior. Is exactly what you saw here with Epstein and Maxwell
teaching these girls and trying to get them accustomed to the sort of abuse that
they were inflicting upon them so that it seemed normal to them, so that
it seemed as if this is something that this is just what you do when
you're rich and you're moving in these circles. This is what you're expected to
do, This is how you're expected to behave which is absolutely appalling. Like
you said, it makes the hair on your back of your neck stand up.
It's awful. One of the women testified that she was molested by Epstein
from the age of fourteen to eighteen, and then at age eighteen when she
was actually crossing over the line of consent. More than likely in Florida.
She was considered too old for Epstein, so he isn't even interested in women
that are old enough to actually consent to this activity. Yes, disgusting.
Let's run down each of the victims now. We talked about Jane during some
of our reporting initially about the trial. We're fairly familiar with Jane. We
talked about her in a previous episode. She is testifying under a pseudonym because
she is an actress who does have an acting career spanning twenty years, and
so she very understandably, I think, wants to remain anonymous in this circumstance.
Jane was abused by Epstein and Maxwell starting in nineteen ninety four, when
she was fourteen years old. They began to train her I hate that phrase,
included her in group sexual encounters with other adult women. She actually named
some names here of women who participated in these group activities. She gave the
names Eva, Sophie, Michelle, and Emmy, being a British woman the
other I'm assuming American. Jane discussed the fact that she had been attending a
prestigious summer camp for musicians budding musicians, where Epstein was a donor and he
encouraged her musical talent and musical abilities and basically use that fascination that she had
with music, that interest in music, to groom her in this role of
becoming his I don't even know what you would call it. I don't want
to say paramore because that's too nice a term. I don't know what you
would call it. I'd go with victims. I don't think there's much else
you can say. And it also appears that their financial sponsorship of things like
the music school are actually designed to give them access to a steady flow of
young women girls. I have to always correct myself, so they can look
for young girls to groom and pull into their orbit of these disgusting sexual exploits
of these girls. Now, I noticed that discussing Jane's testimony, Jeffrey Epstein
paid for a lot of things for her. He paid for voice lessons,
he paid for private school, he paid for bills that her mother couldn't afford.
So I think, to a certain extent with that he is making her
beholden to him. I am sure that there was, at some point or
another a conversation in which he basically said to her, I'm doing all this
for you. You're going to have to do something for me. I'm almost
certain that conversation, or some iteration of it happened. Agreed. The next
victim who testified was Kate Again that is another pseudonym. She is a British
woman currently aged forty four, who said that Jeffrey Epstein and Galen Maxwell began
grooming her when she was seventeen years old in nineteen ninety four. So again
penchant for underage women, although seventeen was hit in the upper limit. I
think of what Epstein would have wanted. I've read a bit more about Kate
in some previous articles, and one of the things they said about Kate was
that she appeared younger. So she is on the edge of the sort of
girl that appeals to Epstein. But apparently she was seventeen but could have passed
for significantly younger. I was interested in the fact that her boyfriend. Kate's
boyfriend was an Oxford classmate of Galaine Maxwell, so the introduction was made in
that way. This is my classmate. Galaine Maxwell at that point invited Kate
to her fashionable London townhouse a couple of weeks later for tea. Again trying
to facilitate a relationship. Kate said, I was quite excited to be friends
with her. I felt I had found a new connection that could be really
meaningful to me. I don't want to move too quickly past the introduction for
Kate. Kate was dating a man that was probably twenty years older than she
was. If he is a classmate of Galine Maxwell's, she's already in that
kind of orbit of being involved with a much older man and probably sexually exploited
as well. We keep seeing the term massages here through everything about this testimony,
and Glene Maxwell was approaching that concept with all of these girls by saying,
oh, he needs massages all the time. It's very difficult to keep
up with the massage schedule. I guess Glene Maxwell is making it sound like
she has all this work that she has to do to keep up with it,
and she's like outsourcing it to these girls. Apparently Maxwell insisted on three
erotic massages per day, which is how we end up in these exponential numbers
of victims. And then, of course he wants to see different girls all
the time, so that there's a massage every few hours during the course of
the day. And there are victims one after another, three victims per day.
Kate later testified that when she was eighteen, she was invited to Palm
Beach where Glene Maxwell directed her to very schoolgirl costume super creepy, Yeah,
creepy and stereotypical. She then handed Kate a tray of tea things and said,
please serve him both with the tea, and then it is assumed with
things afterward the tea. Kate also testified this quote again made me feel like
I needed a shower. She asked me if I had fun and told me
that I was such a good girl and that I was one of his favorites.
There is a note here in the reporting from Daily Basis says because Kate
was of the age of consent in the UK, which is seventeen, during
this pattern of abuse, jurors were instructed that she is not a victim as
charged in the indictment. So the age of consent is different in the UK
than the US, and so that caused a little bit of a hiccup here
in proceedings. I'm a little surprised by that because some of the sexual abuse
clearly happened at Epstein's home in Florida, where the age of consent is eighteen.
So I'm a little surprised that they were trying to apply Brita law to
this young woman who was clearly from the UK. But I don't think all
of the abuse happened on that side of the Atlantic. I'm a little baffled.
We might have to ask one of our legal experts why the age of
consent in the United Kingdom would have been used as opposed to the United States.
Agreed. I feel like that's a question for Francy Higgs. Perhaps.
The third victim then, is Caroline. That is not apparently an alias,
that is a first name, no last name given. She is from Florida.
She testified that she was molested by Jeffrey Epstein between the ages of fourteen
and eighteen. And this is what you mentioned earlier about the woman who said
that when she turned eighteen she became too old for Jeffrey Epstein. Caroline is
the girl who had confided in Epstein and Maxwell that she'd been sexually abused when
she was much younger by her grandfather, and that her mother was addicted to
drugs and alcohol, which created a lot of areas of vulnerability, which Epstein
and Maxwell were perfectly happy to exploit, and evidently when she turned eighteen,
she was asked if she had any younger friends. So apparently they were trying
to get her to recruit other younger women into this perverted sex ring with Epstein
and Maxwell. You're listening to Mind over Murder. We'll be right back after
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some of the longer form reporting from the Miami Herald, it was reported that
there was a almost a circuit of young girls who would then be asked to
recruit other younger girls to participate in the sex acts with Epstein and the three
massages per day. These young girls would be paid several hundred dollars for these
quote unquote erotic massages. They would also be paid a commission basically to recruit
other young girls from Florida area schools to participate. There was an absolutely infuriating
comment from the defense. The gist of it was that these women couldn't possibly
be considered of victims because they benefited financially from this. I had a couple
of minutes where I couldn't even see straight when I read that's such an awful
thing to say, and it's such a very obvious attempt at victim blaming here.
It filled my head with flames and screams. It was awful. In
the documents that were created by Alexander Acosta, which were designed to limit the
liability of Epstein in the sweetheart deal he was given by the then federal prosecutor,
they referred to these young women as prostitutes. When the truth is under
the law, and under Florida law, a woman who's under the age of
eighteen technically can't be a prostitute because she has not even reached the age of
consent yet. They insisted on referring to these young girls as prostitutes because they
were given money for their participation in these six sexx now. Carolyn also claimed
that Glene Maxwell groped and abused her one particular day, which we hadn't heard
up to this point. She said that she was setting up the massage table
for Jeffrey Epstein, Glenn Maxwell came in and groped her and said, quote,
I had a great body from mister Epstein and his friends. So please
note this is where we bring in the end his friends. Part One thing
that's not clear at this point is whether any of these friends, which include
some very well known men, will ever be charged. There are thousands of
hours of secret recordings that were made by Epstein via a hidden camera system in
almost every single one of his homes. Were not clear at this point as
to whether any of those men will ever be charged. We'll get into some
of those names here in a couple of minutes. The fourth victim who testified
was Annie Farmer. She testified under her own name instead of an alias.
She is now forty two, and she testified about a weekend as a sixteen
year old when Epstein and Maxwell took her on a solo trip to New Mexico.
They had given her mother the impression that they would be taking her to
an academic gathering for twenty to twenty five students. What a shock that must
have been to learn that her sixteen year old daughter was alone with this couple
who were at that point in their thirties and forties, and she was taken
to this beautiful but very isolated ranch that Epstein owned in New Mexico. Here's
a young girl being sexually abused at an isolated location where there's only a handful
of people there, Epstein, Maxwell, some household staff, and she has
no way to escape. She's basically been kidnapped and taken to this isolated location
where she spends a nightmarish weekend being sexually abused. And Annie does give some
testimony about giving Epstein his massages and about not wanting to do these things,
but of course they've paid for her to be there, and prior to this,
they took her to the mall. They took her to the movies again,
that sort of quid pro quo scenario. Look what we've done for you,
The least you can do is this for Jeffrey Epstein. There is also
reports from Annie Farmer of Galne Maxwell groping and abusing her, and of Jeffrey
Epstein watching during that particular process, which again makes me want to throw up
in my mouth a little bit. And then finally, Epstein's former Palm Beach
butler, Juan Alessie testified about his responsibilities to Epstein and under the direction of
Glene Maxwell, what he was required to do, and his descriptions of some
of the things he saw were highly disturbing. This was crazy stuff. The
more that I read about this guy's testimony, the more I was like,
how did you not realize what kind of a monster you were working for.
He described a number of his responsibilities as being things like cleaning the massage room,
rinsing off sex toys, and restocking them in Galen Maxwell's bathroom closet.
So apparently she has her own separate bathroom and her own closet for all of
these toys. He reported that the bathroom closet also held what he described as
pornographic tapes and either a black vinyl or black leather costume. I'm sure you
can use your imagination on that. He also stalked Jeffrey Epstein's various vehicles with
hundred dollars bills, which is interesting because a lot of victims, including Caroline,
who testified, said that Jeffrey Epstein would pay them in cash in that
denomination of hundred dollars bills. So he was responsible for, I assume,
going to the ATM possibly pulling out hundreds and stocking his various vehicles with them.
He also testified that he saw many females lounging by the pool topless,
and that he knew for a fact that two of them were underage. Many
of the others he thought looked young, but he didn't know how old they
were, and he wasn't necessarily carding anybody as they came to the house.
But he said there were many young females either nude or topless at Epstein's pool.
And this is interesting too. He said that Glene Maxwell ordered not only
himself but other household staff to follow a household manual, which ended up being
fifty eight pages long, so clearly there's a lot here that you have to
do. It's described as having a seemingly endless checklist of tasks for what to
do at Epstein's mansion. Some of these things fluted making sure that a gun
was placed in the bedside table of the master bedroom. Interestingly enough, I'm
going to quote directly from the article here because this is so good I can't
think of a way to phrase it any better than this quote. The bookley
contained directives such as remember that you see nothing, hear nothing, say nothing
except to answer a question directed at you. Asked about this rule unlessie testified,
it means a kind of warning that I was supposed to be blind,
deaf, and dumb to say nothing of their lies. One of the other
orders in that document was unless instructed, and never disclose mister Epstein's or miss
Maxwell's activities or whereabouts to anyone just sick Unlessie had worked for Epstein from nineteen
ninety one to two thousand and two, and he testified that he found the
manual very degrading to him and the household staff, and that Maxwell had further
added that he was never to look Epstein in the eyes when addressing him,
always to be looking down or away. His hours were just ridiculous. He'd
work from five am to nine or ten pm, and he described the job
as quote slavery unquote. Maxwell's lawyer basically said none of the female messuses were
talking victims here, not female missuses. He said none of them complained about
being hurt or cowerse and Lessie acknowledged that, and he said, no,
they never did, but I wish they would have, because I would have
done something to stop it. Dight twenty twenty and all of that. Now
we get to the point in this testimony that I'm sure a lot of people
are very eager to hear about, and that is the who's who of Jeffrey
Epstein friends, famous acquaintances, you name it. Some of these, of
course, are already widely known, and some of them I was a little
surprised to hear until I thought about it for another minute and then realized,
actually, I'm not surprised to hear this at all. All of these names
run the gamut from politicians, actors, British Royalty, businessmen, people on
both sides of the aisle left hand right. It is quite a list.
Some of them, of course, we are already well familiar with, Donald
Trump, Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew of Britain. Some of these I was
not terribly familiar with. Like I was surprised, but not surprised, Etzok
Perlman, violinist Kevin Spacey. I really shouldn't have been surprised by that one.
And yet no, no, not at all. Chris Tucker, former
senator, George Mitchell, former astronaut John Glenn. That one took me back.
There was a question as to whether RFK Junior took a jount on Epstein's
plane, but the pilot did not recall if he had been there. Other
people that showed up on the plane frequently included for his secret muggul Les Wexner,
who maybe one of the art sources of income for Epstein's money management business.
Manhattan billionaire couple Glenn and Eva Dubin, who testified on Dylanne Maxwell's behalf
and then Maxwell's former boyfriend, Gateway founder Ted Wyatt, was also among the
people who were seen to be traveling on that plane. They also mentioned the
TV reporter Mike Wallace, now deceased. That took me a minute too to
digest that one, considering that Wallace was a pretty good age at that point.
Jane testified that during a visit to New York City when she was fifteen
years old, she sang Happy Birthday to Mike Wallace at his eightieth birthday.
It's it really just when you think it can't get any worse in terms of
people who end up embroiled in this, it gets worse. I love this
next terminology by Kate. She titles this next section of her reporting Epstein's assistants
were Maxwell fangirls, and that's definitely what they come off as for sure.
Two of the witnesses that the defense called on behalf of Galaine Maxwell, were
former employees of Jeffrey Epstein. Their names are Kimberly spelled with a sea,
so maybe Simberley, I think it's probably Kimberly Espinosa and Michelle Haley it is
quote. They shared glowing memories of Maxwell. They did acknowledge that they met
Jane in the nineteen nineties, but both testified that they believed she was an
adult at the time that they met her. She may have looked like an
adult because they mentioned that she was wearing a lot of makeup, that doesn't
necessarily mean she was of age. Both of these women share such high opinions
of Galaine Maxwell that I just have to call their credibility into question. We've
got a couple of quotes from them. Quote, I highly respected Gallaine.
I looked up to her very much. You've got both of these women who
keep acknowledging over and over that the girls that they saw looked like a grin
up to me, as you said, because they were wearing a lot of
makeup. But they basically just said, look, Glene Maxwell is fantastic.
She's taught me a lot. I respect her. She's tough but great.
None of that disproves any of the prosecution's extensive testimony from these four young women.
Okay, these people that work for Maxwell and were well compensated by Maxwell
admired her. I'm not surprised, but the fact that she was a terrific
boss and tough but fair doesn't preclude the fact that she was procuring and sexually
abusing all of these young girls. Agreed. They did reveal financial records showing
that Glene Maxwell did receive millions of dollars from Epstein, But I do not
think that is news to anyone at all. We have a whole set of
numbers basically showing that Epstein wired millions and millions of dollars two accounts for Gallaine
Maxwell, including one there was seven point three five million dollars to an account
for Air Gallaine, Inc. What did they do with the seven point three
five million? They bought a helicopter, as one does, apparently when one
has more money than one knows what to do with. Yeah, if I
had seven point three five million dollars, I would do a lot of things
with it. But I don't think my helicopter is on my list. No,
nor mine. But I don't know they're rich are different. If Scott
Fitzgerald said that that's quote the English teacher. I think these two can be
condemned for a lot more than just being rich. Yeah. Absolutely, there
is an alleged co conspirator here by the name of Sarah Kellen, and she
was named over and over in some of this testimony, but she never actually
testified. And that is because when Jeffrey Epstein was given that sweetheart deal that
you've mentioned a couple of times now in two thousand and eight document granted immunity
to what they called potential co conspirators. And there is a whole set of
names here of those potential co conspirators, of which Sarah Kelen is one.
Her name continues to come up during the trial, but she did not testify,
and as we said at the top of the podcast, Galain Maxwell ultimately
decided that she would not testify in her own defense. She proclaimed her innocence
a number of times. Her statement was, quote, your honor, the
government has not proven its case beyond a reasonable doubt, and so there is
no need for me to testify. Okay, not saying I buy that,
not for one minute now. I don't either. Honestly, I think that
there's a mountain of evidence here against her. I think that ultimately she will
be found guilty. If there's any sense of justice in this world, she
will be found guilty. Yes, she felt no need to testify in her
own defense, and that's her right. And in fact, the judge did
ask her, do you understand that you can testify even if your attorneys don't
want you to? Do you understand that you can? And she basically said,
yeah, I know it, but I'm not going to. So evidently
she feels that the case is not strong enough, and I'm sure that she
thinks that she will be found not guilty. There was mentioned that a number
of people showed up to watch the trial, other Epstein victims. They did
mention, in particular Sarah Ransom, who has just published a book or is
about to publish a book about her years being abused and trafficked by Epstein and
Maxwell looking forward to reading that. They also made note of the fact that
Glenn Maxwell had some support from her siblings. But the person probably most notably
who did not show up was her husband, not husband, possibly a secret
husband. Schrodinger's husband did not show up, apparently he's stating a forty nine
year old yoga instructor in Manchester bad to Sea, where they lived, so
apparently it's good riddance to bad rubbish for him. It looks like Scott Borgison
has moved on, then, hasn't he? It sure looks like it.
There was a little bit of a flap, as there should have been with
regard to Maxwell's lawyer. Accidentally, I hope you guys can hear the air
quotes around that naming some of the victims real names in court. That's a
slee's ball move. He said it was completely unintentional. I called bus on
that, But whatever, maybe it was, especially since it happened more than
once, Yes, over the course of two weeks. Yes, and it
wasn't just for one victim, it was multiple victims. So I find that
incredibly disingenuous to say, oh, I was on accident. It was not
on accident, my dude. It was not absolutely awful. So at this
point, the trial has wrapped up and we are awaiting a final verdict.
Here, we can only hope that the jury will do the right thing and
we'll find Galine Maxwell guilty on all charges. Once we do have a verdict,
y'all can count on us coming back and doing another episode in which we
unpack the decision and make our own thoughts well known, although I think at
this point it's pretty obvious where we stand on Glene Maxwell, and I still
think it's a shame that Jeffrey Epstein's not here to face trial on his own.
I did like the fact that her family is apparently filing suit against the
New York prison system for the conditions that she's being held in. Please lady,
give me a break. There's a sense of entitlement and then there's off
the charts sense of entitlement. You don't want to be treated like a prisoner.
Don't break the law. I realize that's a little flip, but it
is what it is. Honestly, that's going to do it for our coverage
on the Galine Maxwell trial. Thank you so much for listening to this episode
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