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Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and
Bobo. These guys are fav It's so

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like, say subscribe and rade it. I'm stuck and me righteous wish today

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and listening, oh watching them always
keep it's watching. And now you're hosts

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Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Hey kids, it's Cliff, and you're

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listening to Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
and usually Bobo. But Bobo is not

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here and it is no fault of
his own. Yeah, so he is

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not going to be here today.
He had a family emergency. He's taking

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care of things and frankly, there
are more important things in this podcast except

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for you, the listeners. Bobo
has something else more important going on,

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so he's dealing with that at the
moment. And this time it's absolutely with

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my blessing and there's no frustration at
all. And I'm pleased to welcome Matt

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Pruitt as gonna he's going to be
our co host here. Hey Matt,

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thanks for having me. I'm always
here, but thanks for having me officially.

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Yeah yeah, well, well that
they can hear you now instead of

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you're just lurking in the background like
some sort of creep against the back wall.

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You know, that's how I view
you, at least in the podcast

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here. Yeah. I like to
think if they listen really really hard on

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a quiet day, they can hear
my essence. In most episodes, I

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was listening to a Bigfoot and Beyond. It was almost like I was being

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watched. All the hair on the
back of my neck went up, and

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I just thought I was being watched. There was somebody else there. I

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think it's that Brillet guy. He's
kind of weird. Yeah, I'll put

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in a really low, subtle track
of just slow breathing underneath everything. You

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should probably do that. Actually,
don't need to, because we can probably

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just hear Bobo breathing in the background
for most of it, either that or

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Karita clapping her hands at him to
wake him up. Did that make it?

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In the last episode, By the
way, I did cut it out

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because I didn't know at the time
what was happening. So since we didn't

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like intuit it, I didn't know
that our listeners would. But you know,

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if you're not a member of Bigfoot
and Beyond, we have a Patreon

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show that's a bonus show for members, and in the last bonus episode.

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You hear Bobo give two really big, hearty yawns during the conversation, and

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then he doesn't speak for about twenty
minutes. And Cliff and I were talking

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and we could hear these sounds in
the background and occasionally they'd be this,

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and I just thought there was something
going on in his house. But then

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when I went to mix the episode
and was listening to the tracks individually,

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I could tell No, those are
definitely hands clapping, And then I realized,

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like, oh, I think that's
Bobo's girlfriend trying to wake him up,

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because he's sitting in front of his
microphone with his headphones on, clearly

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in the middle of a podcast asleep. I hope that's the case. I

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hope that's the case. So if
you're not a member of Bigfoot and Beyond,

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perhaps you want to be so you
can listen to the enticing conversations of

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Bobo when he's asleep. Yeah,
it's only happened the one time, but

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it made for some good content.
I think that reminded me of in Kansas.

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We were filming the Finding Bigfoot show
in Kansas and we were talking to

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the witness I don't remember her name. Unfortunate I'm not good at names.

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We're talking to her on her front
lawn. Then she found some really interesting

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snowprints. And I'm not really big
on bigfoot in Kansas, but these might

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have been the real deal. You
know, there's just not a lot of

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habitat in Kansas, and most of
this stuff in Kansas comes from the southeast

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corner, kind of pushed up against
Oklahoma, which makes sense. And that

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the stuff that is a little bit
further away, well they're always down in

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the river beds and once you get
further the further away than that, my

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belief in it gets a little bit
further away too. But anyway, we're

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talking to her, and that was
the day it was cold, and you

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know how like the cold really messes
with your consciousness in a lot of ways,

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Like it kind of makes you sleepy. You know. They always say

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like don't fall asleep if you're like, you know, in danger of dying

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of hypothermia or whatever. Then all
that other stuff, And of course the

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television show is grueling to say the
very least. You know, crazy hours,

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eighteen hours a day, very often
weird sleeping habits, like you might

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get like six hours this day,
then like eight hours the next and four

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the next and you're always waking up
at different times and blah blah blah,

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Wow wow wow. Filming a TV
shows difficult. But anyway, we're all

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standing there talking to the witness and
I look over and Moneymaker falls asleep on

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camera, standing up just for a
moment, just for a moment or two.

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But he kind of like kind of
catches himself, and I think,

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oh, poor Matt, because Matt
is very prone to fall asleep anyway.

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He's one of his superpowers. He
can pretty much fall asleep anywhere. I

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think I was on an expedition with
him once years ages years before finding Bigfoot,

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and you know, he used to
do all the BFRO expeditions, so

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he'd travel around a lot. So
I'm sure he wasn't getting a lot of

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sleep because those things, you know, you're out at night, and you're

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out all night, and it was
cold and so we were, you know,

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running some of these roads. It
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So we're standing in the vehicles and
sort of like calling from these high points

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and I just need to remember,
like he did this epic ohio how and

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then within twenty seconds, maybe thirty
seconds, at the most was snoring,

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and I'm like, how do you
how do you do that? And then

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immediately fall asleep in and however much
time passed, like fifteen minutes no responses.

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As someone got in the radio,
it was like Matt call again and

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he woke up, howled, and
was back asleep within another twenty seconds.

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He's a sleeper, man, I've
never saw He's so lucky he can fall

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asleep with that, because you know, even if I'm tired, I'll lay

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a week in bed for forty five
minutes before I go to sleep. Yeah,

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it's aggravating, but Matt is,
he's very blessed. And you know,

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and again I'm not bagging it on
Matt at all. I want to

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make that very clear. Matt is
a good, good friend of mine.

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I love the man brother from another
mother sort of thing road family, and

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there's nothing. You know, We're
bonded for life and I'm happy to call

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him a friend. But man,
that guy can sleep. It's astonishing.

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Yeah, he's just harnessing the restorative
power of micro naps. I suppose he

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is. Yeah, but like his
micro naps are intense and very macro nappy.

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Yeah, love me some Matt Moneymaker. Man, love that guy.

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I don't even know why we're talking
about Matt. I kind of forgot why

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now, but that gets this doesn't
matter. But oh yeah, because Bobo

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might have fallen the sleeper in the
podcast. Oh bobes. But anyway,

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he's off doing some more important things
in podcasting right now. So we're going

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to tackle this podcast with Matt Prude
and I thank you for tuning in everybody.

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We do appreciate it. And we
had something else planned. We're gonna

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we were gonna do a topical,
but that's not gonna shake because Bobo is

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not here today. He gets a
pass today. I just thought it'd be

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fun to kind of catch up.
I mean, honestly, there's so much

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stuff going on. I am out
in the woods so much, and new

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things are happening. There's a lot
of cool things happening right now. I

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thought it'd just be a neat opportunity
to just kind of shoot the poop basically

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for a little while and see what's
going on. And our listeners, of

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course, can you're in the room
with us, just enjoy what's happening and

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listen to what I have to share
here. Because there's some cool stuff.

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I can't wait to tell you.
I was out in the woods again in

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one of my favorite spots, and
we got lucky again this time. Dave

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Dave Ryan, who's one of the
employees at the shop, and also he

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has a YouTube page. I'm gonna
plug his page right now, although he

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told me he hasn't updated it in
a couple of years. It's called Clackamas

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Sasquatch. His name's Dave Ryan,
a super good guy, a great employee,

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good bigfooter. And we went out
on Monday. He's a family man.

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He's got a wife and kids and
stuff like that, so he gets

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out as much as he can,
so if I can go with him,

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I certainly do. Then a Monday, we had the opportunity to go out

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to Mountain Hood National Forest in a
location that we've been kind of eye in

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for a little while. We found
some stuff there a couple other times before,

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so we met out at there.
We met out at the spot at

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maybe ten o'clock in the morning.
He drove in one way, I drove

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in the other, and he basically
when I met him, he said,

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hey, well let's go walk this
road here and see if anything's going on.

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And he goes, okay, but
after that, I may have found

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something. A couple of roads over
a couple of drainages over here, I

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said, okay, well cool,
let's take care of this first. We

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walked that road. We found a
maybe footprint, which is cool, but

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had nothing to write home about.
Not quite sure what it was. Because

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I'll say it again, reading all
these John Green books and doctor Krantz books

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and all that sort of stuff that
I'm sure most of our readers have read,

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it really skews ones per sep and
expectation of what sasquatch footprints look like

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in the wild. Okay, Now, there are very relatively few sasquatch footprint

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casts out there, and I can
see why is because most people don't put

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plaster in things unless it's pretty good
and crisp and clear, and frankly,

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most people aren't prepared to pour plaster
in anything because they're away from their car

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and they didn't bring plaster, and
there's hiking and all that sort of stuff.

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But the vast majority of sasquatch footprints
or any sort of print in the

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ground is kind of a messy,
vague ordeal, to say the least.

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Most of the time I see the
toes in real life, and they just

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don't show up in the cast like
that sort of stuff, or certainly they

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don't show up as well in the
cast. You can see them in the

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cast, but they don't show up
as well. So this particular maybe footprint,

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well it's a maybe footprint, you
know, but it's in the right

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zone, it's the right size,
and maybe it was one. I don't

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know. I'll put that out hopefully
in a couple of days from my museum

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members, so you can always be
a member of there too if you chee.

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But so then we went over to
the spot where Dave had found an

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impression and we took a look at
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have been one, but it had
nothing to really hang my hat on,

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you know, there were no toes
that if there was a heel, it

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was kind of squared off. I
suspect that it was a little if it

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was a print, and I'm saying
it was, I don't know. If

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it was a print. It seemed
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probably it had some weather erosion going
on with it, and probably a slip

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of some sort on top of it. Maybe a slip because this was on

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the side of a mud puddle,
but I was looking at it. He

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goes, it's right here, and
he's like pointing straight down that I'm on

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the other side of the mud puddle
in this road. I go, well,

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I mean maybe, I mean,
I can see what you're talking about,

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but what about that? And I
point like eight feet away from where

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he's looking, and right there in
the mud there is a pretty good looking

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footprint, like right in the middle
of the mud, beautiful like nice rounded

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heel three maybe four toes are showing
with a really big display and twelve inches

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long. Now that's human size,
but not a human print because the tosplay

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was so wide. And also we've
been tracking a twelve inch foot in that

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area since at least last February.
So it's very very encouraging, and so,

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oh my god, this is great. So we go back to the

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car, you know, it's like
maybe a quarter and a half mile away

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or something. Go back to the
car and get the plaster, and then

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we walk back to the mud puddle. So it's a period of time later.

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Now we mix up everything. I
poured the pasture in there and say,

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okay, well we got forty five
minutes, what do you want to

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do. So this particular mud puddle
is formed by a spring on the side

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of the hill and it flows down
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and flows into a small creek nearby, and that's what makes the mud there.

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So we kind of look around in
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walk further up in the road.
It dead ends probably another quarter mile up

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the road or something like that.
And then what we did is from there

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we went downhill to the creek,
and we're gonna circle back around with the

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thought of, okay, when we
find the seap. When we find the

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seap going into the creek, that's
where we'll follow it up. We'll check

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out all the muddy areas and then
we can pull the cast and then get

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out of here. Because I had
to get home that day. Tom Powell

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was coming over the house for dinner
that night. I hadn't seen Tom in

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six months or something like that,
and he's a really good friend of my

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wife's and mine, so he had
to be I had to be home by

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four basically, So we go down
to the river and we're looking through all

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the sandy areas and all that stuff
along the creek bed. Were going downstream,

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you know, kind of doing the
plan, and I don't know,

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fifty yards or so down from where
we drop down to the creek, I

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find another footprint and find another twelve
inch footprint. This one has pretty decent

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toes on it. I go,
well, look at this, and Dave's

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going, could that be erosion?
And I'm thinking, yeah, yes,

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it could be erosion, But why
does it have a rounded heel right here?

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And we're kind of going back and
forth and that sort of thing.

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And then about twelve feet away from
that one, I find five holes in

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the ground that are basely what I
interpret at the time as tow impressions,

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and there's a there's a scraped off
area where it looks like maybe a foot

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had slid, and it's like,
can holy grab here look at this,

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And it seems I think it's the
bigger one because we've been tracking a larger

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sasquatch in the area as well.
We've been getting twelve inch footprints as well

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as fourteen inch footprints. At thirteen
or fourteen inch footprints, but this one

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looked pretty big. But I was
saying that maybe that's the big one.

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That's cool, and then I'm looking
at it close and Dave is going,

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could that be erosion? I go, well, I don't think so,

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because it's at the top of this
little mound here. Most erosion would happen

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at the side are down below.
And we're kind of going back and forth,

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and I said, well, man, it'd be irresponsible of me to

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not put plaster in this and take
a look at it. So it's okay,

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let's do it. But I'm thinking
it's a print. I'm thinking it's

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a footprint at the time, and
Dave's I think he's I think he's on

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the fence about it, honestly.
So okay, well let's continue going because

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now we got to go and we
didn't have anywhere plaster by the way,

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so I had to go back to
the car and come back to get those.

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So from that point we continued further
down the creek. I found another

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twelve inch print, but this one
wasn't hadn't have any depth in it.

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It was just a mark on the
banks. I interpreted as an area where

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the foot went into the sub straight
to some depth and then the river level

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rose and then filled it in.
But there was still discoloration of the same

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size and shape as a foot,
including toes. By the way, on

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this one, I have photographs of
it. And then a little bit further

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from that one, I found another
slight impression with big white tost blaze again

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a twelve inch foot. Now,
mind you, on the road, and

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by the way, the road is
burned off, it's overgrown. There's no

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traffic on this road. Okay,
there's no bikes on this road. There's

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nowhere to go on this road.
It dead ends right, there's no cars

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on this road. There's no motorcycles
on this road. I suppose it's possible

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people are walking it, after all, we were walking it, but it

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doesn't go anywhere, you know,
So I will concede that. Okay,

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maybe that one up up on the
road could have been a human because it's

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a human size and stuff, even
though the toastplay idem to be too wide.

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But down here in the bottom of
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man, I just don't buy it. I don't see a person walking around

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down there. And I found three
of the twelve inch ones and this big

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massive one that with the holes and
stuff. So I think I'm pretty excited

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at this point. I'm pretty confident
we have the little guy and the big

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one. At this point that we've
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I think I have like six footprints
from these two individuals, or more.

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Actually I have to guess on that
one, maybe six eight footprints from these

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guys, because I always cast multiple
prints whenever I can. So anyway,

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we finally locate the spring, I
go up to the road. By that

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time, you know, it's like
an hour later or more so that the

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cast is good enough to pull.
So I pull the first cast out of

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the mud buddle, go back to
the car and get drop off that cast,

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get like four or five more bags
of plaster, you know, I

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keep him in a gallon freezer bags. That's how I you know, divvy

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out the plaster to a more or
less rite amount and stuff for casting.

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And then I bring those things back
all the way up you know, like

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half mile three quarters of a mile
up the up that road until it ends,

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and I drop down into the creek
and then I backtrack and then I

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go and I'm tiking off trail.
Dave's somewhere else now, so I'm out

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there and I start making these prints, and long story, and already long

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story, trying to make that shorter. I pour these things, I get

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them out, and actually I broke
two of them trying to get them out,

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because again I was under a time
crunch because I Tom Powell's come into

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the house at four o'clock and it
was already like two or two thirty.

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And yeah, so it's a long
drive out there. But anyway, I

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pull these things, I get them
out, clean them out, and when

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I get home, I hose them
down. I don't brush them off because

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they're still you know, green,
so to speak. At that point,

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I give him a good hose down
and bring them into the shop the next

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day because I had to work on
Tuesday, and Dave and I are looking

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at what we had done, and
so, yeah, we can see the

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toes here, and I still need
to clean them off more thoroughly. You

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know, they're not done yet by
any means, but the first initial hose

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down was done. So we're looking
at holy you can see this is a

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toe and this is the heel.
This is pretty obvious. This is cool.

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And then we look at that big
one, the real big one,

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right, and I go, yeah, I guess that's a foot. It

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looks pretty funky. I mean,
you can see these these things that I'm

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assuming are toes up there, but
what is this big cleft in the middle

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of the planter's surface on the bottom
of the foot That doesn't make sense.

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R Like these two lobes on either
side, and there's like a cleft in

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the middle of it. And I'm
thinking, what in the world is that?

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And Dave looks at it and he
goes, could that be a hand?

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And I went, holy crap.
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond

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with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be
right back after these messages. If you

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look at your own hand, like, look at your right palm right now

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wherever you are driving, well,
you should probably watch the road, don't

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listen to me for driving, But
if you're not driving, look at or

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flying a plane or a helicopter.
Look at your right hand right now,

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and then kind of bring your bring
your thumb across and you see the big

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like chicken meat thing that the drumstick
deal at the base of your thumb.

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That's called the theener eminence. Okay, But and if you bring your thumb

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over a little bit, it's gonna
like clench and kind of ball up a

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little bit. And you're gonna see
it through the middle of your palm.

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There's like a cleft, kind of
like of a butt crack in the middle

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of your palm because the thiner eminence, it'll be on your right hand side.

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If the thumbs sticking out to the
right. There's another sort of pad

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on the left hand side. It's
called the hypo theener eminence, and there's

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a there's a like a butt crack, a cleft going down the middle of

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those That is what is present in
the cast. That is clear as day.

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So I see that in my hand. I look at the cast and

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I'm going, holy crap, that
might be a hand but it's so big.

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So you know, I'm at the
NABC, so I just, you

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know, skip over and I get
the big old nineteen eighty six Freeman hand

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cast out. It's the cast.
That is. It's the largest handprint I've

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seen. It's very large, and
you know, honestly, part of the

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reason it looks so big is because
part of the risk got impressed in it.

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It's not quite as large as everybody
thinks it is, but it is

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very, very big, don't get
me wrong. But it extends to beyond

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the butt of the palm, so
that's why it appears so large. And

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I bring that over and I lay
down that cast right over the cast that

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we got on Monday, and I'll
be darn, it matches really well.

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And then what I thought was noise, you know, just like noise of

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substrate in the cast sticking off to
the right. It's exactly where the thumb

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is on the Freeman hand And then
I look at some of it. There's

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a lot of it's not a neat
print. I'll give Prue a picture of

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it and you can post it wherever
you want to post it for our listeners.

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There are matt but like, there's
a lot of noise and suggestions of

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fingers and stuff like that. But
sure enough, those suggestions and the fingertips

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and all this other stuff, they
line up exactly or exactly enough, not

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exactly, but exactly enough with the
Freeman handprint. Although it's about five or

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ten percent smaller than the Freeman one, it's still very very large. It's

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very impressive. No pun intended,
but yeah, So we're pretty excited at

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this point here at the NABC because
we've got a lot of handprints this year.

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We've been very very blessed with handprints. I mean, really, twenty

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twenty three was the year the handprint. I think we might have doubled the

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handprint data on record just this year
alone. But to have such a large

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handprint in our area and I didn't
even recognize it as a handprint at the

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time, I was just blown away. Man. I just we're just over

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the moon right now. We're super
stoked. So yeah, all those casts

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from the shop as I speak,
downstairs, and so I'm going to take

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them home tonight and over this Christmas
weekend here, I'm going to try to

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clean them up a little bit.
They've been sitting around for a few days

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drying out. But yeah, it
was a very very eventful Monday for us,

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and I'm hoping I have tomorrow off. I'm kind of toying with the

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idea of going out there, but
there's I've been neglecting some things at home,

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so I have to There's some housework
I need to take care of,

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so I might just stay home and
do that instead. But there's a lot

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of talking. I guess it is
a podcast. What it's why I'm here?

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Does that area stay pretty free of
snow? Is it at a good

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elevation, Like, are you able
to go out there a lot through the

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wintertime or not? It depends on
the year. Like last year, the

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answer was no. Well I take
that back. Last year I found prints

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on in one of the areas,
and of course the NABC members know about

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this in February, so I was
out there, but then I think in

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March at snowed. I think the
big snow's kind of came late. I

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remember right last year, like at
midway through February. But I can get

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there now. But there's no guarantee, as the thing, because it's pretty

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much right at where the snow line
likes to be a big portion of the

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year, two or three four months, sometimes more. Can't you can't get

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in there. It depends on the
year. Though this year, I mean,

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it hasn't snowed it all yet.
It hasn't been really cold yet,

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although this morning was like thirty seven
or something, which is pretty cold for

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me. But I'm sure our listeners
in Minnesota are just scoffing at me.

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So yeah. So I mean,
hopefully when you get out here in January,

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I can take you up there and
show you because you're going to be

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at squatch Fest. In January,
so might as well go to the woods

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and look around for stuff. Yeah, I'd love to see it. See.

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I try to picture it my mind
when you describe the landscape and try

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to figure out, you know,
like when you talk about the creek,

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because it's sort of a drainage with
walls or slopes on either side of it,

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or is it fairly flat in that
area? Like it's hard to picture.

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So I'd love to see it in
person to get that context, because

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it does really sound like you're in
an area that constitutes some sort of home

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range, and especially you know,
the presence of a smaller individual accompanied by

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a larger individual. You know,
Krantz had written about and I cited this

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specifically in my book because I thought
it was such an important observation that in

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plotting what Krantz had access to at
the time, which was just John Green's

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database, which is I think he
was dealing with about sixteen or seventeen hundred

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reports at that time that he found
that sidings of females or juveniles, or

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female juvenile pairs or what might be
consort pairs like male female pairings, tended

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to happen in these sort of smaller
areas that were he determined to be like

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safe zones. They were a bit
further away from human development, rural agriculture,

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homes, things of that nature.
And so it really seemed like a

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codex in a way of like,
Okay, well, if you were trying

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to find a sasquatch's core area for
a given individual, Females typically have home

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ranges much smaller than males, and
so it'd be a more manageable search area.

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You would target sidings of females and
juveniles or the track finds of such.

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And it really seems like that might
be what's going on there. Yeah,

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it seems to be so, because
we've been tracking these same individuals for

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quite some time now. And I
don't know for sure, but I think

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that the stuff we were getting a
few years ago might have been the larger

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of the individuals. Yeah, so
I don't know, I don't know.

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We'll see. And of course there's
we've got a couple spots where we've been

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getting multiple prints. Two spots in
particular, where we've been getting like a

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fourteen ish inch foot and another foot
in one spot, this spot that I

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was just talking about, it's a
twelve inch foot and then in the other

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spot, it's about a nine inch
foot So it seems to me that the

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females are moving with the I'm guessing
that's female, you know. I think

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it's a fairly safe assumption on my
part that it's a female moving with its

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young. That seems to be appropriate. And again that that handprint, the

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the thing that turned out to be
a handprint, was like twelve feet away

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from where the twelve inch print was. But you know, I got a

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wonder, I really wonder that because
that hand is so big. It's just

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so large, and we have other
handprints. We have two other handprints that

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are associated with feet of about fourteen
inches thirteen fourteen inches, and both of

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those handprints are about the same size
from different individuals. And I know that

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because one's from Kentucky and one is
from Washington or actually, yeah, I

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know Washington. Technically it's in the
Blue Mountains right on the edge there,

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but it's in Washington, So I
know they're different animals, you know,

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but they're about the same size.
So we have the same more or less

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the same size feet, more or
less the same size hands. But when

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you look at this other hand man, it's a big one. It's a

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little bit bigger than the hand from
the animal that we nicknamed Goliath out there

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in Kentucky. But it's also a
little bit smaller than the giant handprint from

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nineteen eighty six that we have the
cast of in the museum here. But

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if you again, I'm assuming the
vast majority of our listeners have probably read

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doctor Grover Krantz's book, and if
they have not, you should, I

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strongly recommend it. It is a
great book. But there's photographs now,

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actually the photographs also in doctor Meldrum's
book, there's a photograph of a really

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big handprint, and I know in
doctor Meldrum's book he does or a sketch

406
00:24:57.799 --> 00:25:03.240
of where he is in ferring where
the bones are inside the hand. It's

407
00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:06.799
that print, but it is quite
large. You can't really tell how large

408
00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:11.759
it is obviously from photographs, even
though doctor Krantz puts scale items in his

409
00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:15.160
pictures, and I think Maldren does
too, But I know Krantz photographs him

410
00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:18.119
against a one inch grid, which
is what I also like to do.

411
00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:22.519
But yeah, it is a very
large hand. But my assumptions are getting

412
00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:26.920
in the way. I assume that
the female with thirteen or fourteen inch feet

413
00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:30.440
is not going to have hands this
size. So it makes me wonder,

414
00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:33.359
do we have another individual? Is
this the male? What did he and

415
00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:40.759
if so, does the male travel
with the juvenile because there's very limited data

416
00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:44.960
available, but the only one I
can think of is Glenn Thomas thing where

417
00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:48.039
the male was on one side,
then there's a female in the middle and

418
00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:51.880
the juvenile on the other side,
and the male was not sharing with the

419
00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:53.519
rest of the family, so to
speak, and the juveniles seem to be

420
00:25:53.599 --> 00:25:56.440
trying to stay away from the male. So I don't know, I've always

421
00:25:56.519 --> 00:26:02.640
kind of theorized or hypothesized, speculated
might be a far better word, really,

422
00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:07.880
that maybe the females and the juveniles
are tighter perhaps than that the males,

423
00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:11.880
like the males may not have any
bond at all with the juveniles for

424
00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:15.319
all. And I don't don't really
know, but yeah, I kind of

425
00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:19.920
wonder if that hand is from a
different individual that I don't have a footprint

426
00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:25.680
from yet. Yeah, but again, I mean, I'm really interested in

427
00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:30.559
goring my own sacred ox if you
can, if you know what I mean.

428
00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:33.720
Like the assumptions, and I think
I said this on a podcast maybe

429
00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:37.839
a year ago or something. Matt, you listen to our podcast. I

430
00:26:37.880 --> 00:26:41.359
never listened. I just blab But
maybe I said this is that I'm trying

431
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:48.000
to question my own assumptions quite often
and really wonder, like, Okay,

432
00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:52.240
are these truths that we all take
in the Bigfoot community as being truths?

433
00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:55.720
Are they true at all? I'm
finding that a lot of them aren't,

434
00:26:56.119 --> 00:26:57.640
or at least there's no reason to
think that. It's just that everybody says

435
00:26:57.680 --> 00:27:02.160
that, and that's why I think
it's true. But I'm starting to wonder.

436
00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:04.200
I'm starting to wonder about that.
But again, so anyway, back

437
00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:07.319
to the handprint thing, I kind
of have a there's a lot of doubt

438
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:11.359
in my mind that that handprint is
from a female because it is so large.

439
00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:18.799
In which case does that suggest something? Does that tell us anything about

440
00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:22.519
their social structure? Again? You
know, I think it might, and

441
00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:27.680
especially if more examples can be extracted
from the woods and shared, if we

442
00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:34.119
can get more examples of juveniles in
the vicinity of big males. Or maybe

443
00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:37.759
it is a female handprint. I
don't know, maybe just has big hands.

444
00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:40.759
I have no idea. There's so
many questions, you know, Oh,

445
00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:44.759
certainly. And to your point about
sacrificing your own sacred cows, so

446
00:27:44.839 --> 00:27:45.960
to speak, I mean you have
to do that. You know, if

447
00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:51.759
you can't take the biggest sledgehammer to
your work, somebody else will, you

448
00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:55.640
know, so you might as well
be the starting point and do everything you

449
00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:57.079
can do to kick the legs out
from under it. And if it seems

450
00:27:57.119 --> 00:28:00.880
to hold, then it'll hold for
other people too. But you know,

451
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:06.440
to your point about the things that
people hold up is true. I mean,

452
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:10.599
certainly things emerged from reports, databases, you know, Green could see

453
00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:15.400
certain patterns emerging and developed sort of
models or stories to explain those patterns.

454
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:21.519
You know, you see a pattern, you infer a cause. But even

455
00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:23.880
those, you know, the four
horsemen so to speak, or as Bobo

456
00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:27.200
said so perfectly the other day,
it's really more like two horsemen and two

457
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:33.480
additional guys on ponies. So speaking
of the two horsemen in particular, you

458
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:37.319
know, I don't think that they
even intended those models to stand as sort

459
00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:41.039
of like dogmatic truths. In fact, I was reading Carl Jung's It's what

460
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:45.480
posthumous biography, but it's essentially an
autobiography. But there was a great quote

461
00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:48.839
in there. I pulled out today
because I was like, yes, that's

462
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:52.880
exactly it. But he had said, you know, essentially, a scientific

463
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:56.920
truth is a hypothesis which might be
adequate for the moment, but it's not

464
00:28:56.000 --> 00:29:00.519
to be preserved as an article of
faith for all time. And I think

465
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:03.599
that's straight to the point. It's
like, yeah, these things emerge,

466
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:10.680
and we of course develop models to
explain them, and we should take hammers

467
00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:14.119
to those models and see where we
can find cracks and things of that nature.

468
00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:18.720
They should be living models that evolve
an update, or die off if

469
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:22.079
they don't hold up. You know, Yeah, any true scientist is always

470
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:26.559
trying to prove him or herself incorrect, doggedly, always incessantly, And if

471
00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:30.640
you cannot prove yourself wrong, well
maybe you're right, but you don't stop

472
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:36.079
trying. Certainly, what is the
largest track in that given area that you've

473
00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:41.480
found? Me personally about fourteen inches, But there's another researcher out there work

474
00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:45.559
in that It says he found something
that was about twenty inches in length.

475
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:48.480
Now, I don't think a sasquatch
has feet twenty inches. I think that's

476
00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:53.519
far too large. So there's very
likely a lot of sliding in something of

477
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:57.480
something of that size. But you
know, maybe I'm wrong about that.

478
00:29:57.640 --> 00:30:02.400
You know, I just don't see
asquatch foot being twenty inches long. The

479
00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:08.599
largest foot that I think I have
seen in a cast is probably about sixteen

480
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:11.920
inches or so. But now having
said that, people are saying, oh,

481
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:15.799
but this print here is eighteen inches
and this oneever or would you know

482
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:18.839
that's all find and good. I
didn't say the largest footprint. I said

483
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:21.599
the largest foot, you know,
And of course I haven't seen a sasquatch

484
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:26.119
foot. But what I interpret and
how I read casts, you know,

485
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:27.839
and I'm wrong a lot, but
I'm very good at it. I mean,

486
00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:32.559
I'm not going to I mean all
modesty aside. I'm good at footprints,

487
00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:34.880
you know, that's kind of my
thing, even though I'm wide open

488
00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:38.000
to being incorrect, and I make
all sorts of errors and mistakes all the

489
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:41.559
time. I'm not saying I'm infallible. I'm saying that I know I know

490
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:45.920
pretty much how to read a cast
pretty well. I'm better than the average

491
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:49.279
person. You know. I'm not
saying I'm great, but I'm better than

492
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:53.640
the average person. I think that's
fair to say. With my experience I

493
00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:59.480
can see tracks and see the slippage
and the movement and a lot of times

494
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:04.359
the interactction with the ground that the
foot did, you know, because a

495
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:07.680
footprint out, you know, footprint
is not the shape of the foot.

496
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:08.759
It's a shape of the damage under
ground by the foot as a thing walks

497
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:12.680
by. I say it all the
time, and I over the years,

498
00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:17.279
many many many years, I've learned
how to read casts a little bit.

499
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:21.839
And you can see how the foot
interacts with the ground if you look closely,

500
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:25.000
and you have a lot of experience
at it. So when I say

501
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:29.039
that the biggest foot that I've seen, I can see the damage of the

502
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:32.400
foot. It's probably about sixteen inches. But I have an example and I

503
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:37.480
talk about it all the time in
the museum here where a fourteen inch foot

504
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:41.480
left an eighteen and a half inch
foot print, you know, because of

505
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:45.279
slippage and sliding and toe spread and
and you know all that kind of stuff,

506
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:47.920
and you can see it in the
cast, and you can see the

507
00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:49.519
reason for it in the cast as
well. It's stepped on a big rock

508
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:56.240
and then a slid forward deeply impressing
into the ground, and the toes spread

509
00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:59.680
open like it was some sort of
break or braking system on the foot.

510
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:02.079
You know, it was a very
very interesting cast. So yeah, to

511
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:06.759
answer your question, in this area, the biggest print, the biggest foot

512
00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:09.480
I think is around thirteen or fourteen
inches. But again, my friend pulled

513
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:13.759
a cast out of the area that
he said the cast is about twenty inches

514
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:16.160
long. Now I have not seen
the cast, so I'd like to take

515
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:20.319
a good hard look at that cast
and see if I can read it,

516
00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:23.400
you know, if I can read
what happened to that foot as it interacted

517
00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:29.519
with the ground. Stay tuned for
more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo

518
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:37.960
will be right back after these messages. Was it still the case that the

519
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:42.880
Elkins Creek cast? I know,
for at least a while it was considered

520
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:46.720
like a representative of the largest foot
in the sort of collection let's say that

521
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:51.039
included you know, Krantz and Meldrum
for a while, and maybe something larger

522
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:53.359
has come along, but I know
for a long time that was referenced as

523
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:58.880
being the largest on record in cast
form. Well, it's big, it's

524
00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:00.400
certainly big. I mean, what
is it's like eighteen inches or something.

525
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:04.000
You know, I'm plugging in my
hard drive so I can take a picture

526
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:06.400
of it or take a look at
the picture of the cast just you know.

527
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:08.960
Yeah, it seems like it's a
bit larger, just slightly than let's

528
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:13.119
say, like the Grace Harbor foot
Oh yeah, well, the greats Harbor

529
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:15.480
print is fifteen inches, you know, the Hereford cast, you know,

530
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:23.079
and most and I believe, I
believe all of the footprint casts are of

531
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:28.839
that same individual from the nineteen eighty
two Grays Harbor events, the April and

532
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:31.359
May stuff that Hereford was involved in, and all sorts of researchers were down

533
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:34.599
the kranz So's Eric Cliff Crook was
there, All sorts of people were down

534
00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:39.359
there doing stuff. I believe that
all of those footprints came from one individual

535
00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:44.519
sasquatch, even though everybody says there
we're two, there two distinct prints,

536
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:47.799
and I think I believe. I
think I asked Dennis Hereford that when I

537
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:51.720
sat him down for an interview last
year. I think he heard also that

538
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:53.200
there were two individuals but only saw
one print or no, no, there

539
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:55.079
had to be two. There had
to be two. Yeah. I just

540
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:59.279
always thought it was interesting that that
Elkins Creek cast was so large. You

541
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:02.160
know, one of the of sasquatchry
has always been that, oh, they're

542
00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:07.160
smaller in the south, and you
could say, well, it's interesting that

543
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:10.440
one of the largest tracks on record
is from essentially central Georgia. It's pretty

544
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:14.840
far south, you know. Or
the other myth, oh they're more aggressive

545
00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:19.400
in the south, where the majority
of aggressive reports come from the extreme northwest,

546
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:23.400
like you know, British Columbia on
up north, not the southeast US.

547
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:29.400
And so always found those two be
sort of interesting observations in the light

548
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:32.320
of the myths associated with sasquatch.
Yeah. Yeah, And you know,

549
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:36.920
I'm looking at a photograph of the
Elkins Creek cast right now. It is

550
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:40.639
obviously a slide in obviously because the
heel. And I should have known this

551
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:44.360
because it's hanging up in the museum
and I see it every single day.

552
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:46.159
It's in the gift shop. Gift
shop in the museum, you have to

553
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:49.679
go in the back. It come
by a shirt and it's right there.

554
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:52.519
There's a couple of things going on
with the Elkins Creet cast, and one

555
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:58.239
of the most obvious things is at
the heel the kind of slopes inwards,

556
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:01.679
you know, like the very very
back part of the heel starts at the

557
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:06.000
ground level and then slowly gets deeper, which is one of the indications of

558
00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:08.239
some sort of sliding going on.
The toes are a little bit splayed,

559
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:12.039
not super splayed, but they are
pretty far apart, and they're also kind

560
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:15.840
of deep. So yeah, it
actually slid into this print. So we

561
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:16.880
don't know how long the foot is. It's a big one, don't get

562
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:20.199
me wrong. It's probably a big
mail or something if I had to guess.

563
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:22.559
But yeah, we don't know how
long the actual print is. But

564
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:27.039
I think the cast itself is about
eighteen inches I think if I remember right.

565
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:31.519
I don't know. It seems to
me that this is a slide.

566
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:35.480
And you know, another thing about
the Elkins Creek cast, of course,

567
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:38.239
is that it's widely known to be
the one with dramatic lipics and whatnot.

568
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:45.280
But the impression was touched before it
was cast, because you can not only

569
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:52.039
see finger impressions in the cast itself, you can also see a big palm,

570
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:55.360
a human palm, in the middle
of the cast, about halfway down,

571
00:35:55.800 --> 00:36:02.320
with the fingers facing back towards the
heel. So even if there are

572
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:07.119
dramaticallyphics in this particular cast, we
have to throw them out. If those

573
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:13.360
are sasquatch dramatic elyphics, it's a
wasted opportunity because there are human finger marks

574
00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:19.039
in the in hand marks in the
cast itself. We know a human touch

575
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:22.880
this the impression before it was cast, and therefore it's polluted. You know,

576
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:27.280
there's there's a turd in the jacuzzie. You know the water is still

577
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:30.960
warm, but you don't want to
go in there. Yeah anyway, yeah,

578
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:32.320
yeah, so it's a big old
print, but there's there is some

579
00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:36.199
sliding going on for sure. Well, it is remark about what you guys

580
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:38.199
are doing over there, and especially
for people to hear that. You know,

581
00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:44.280
it's not just a the museum is
not just a storehouse of artifacts,

582
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.440
so to speak. It's also sort
of like a living field research project,

583
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:52.800
an ongoing field research project, and
so those things get updated annually as fines

584
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:55.320
come in, and it's really remarkable
no one else is doing anything like that,

585
00:36:55.519 --> 00:37:00.039
let alone the time and the dedication, because you have this signal coming

586
00:36:59.920 --> 00:37:02.840
in because there's so many people coming
into report sidings or track fines or things

587
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:06.760
of that nature. And then not
only you know, you have yourself,

588
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:09.239
but obviously a support of staff who
can go out in the field, competent

589
00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:14.639
field researchers to look at and help
you document these things. And it's it's

590
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:17.000
remarkable. No one, no one's
doing that. So kudos to you and

591
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:21.239
to Nico and to Dave and to
Keith and everyone there. Yeah, and

592
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:23.360
and of course Tyler as well.
Yeah, we all we all have our

593
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:27.800
roles, you know. I guess
I'm just the nerd or whatever, the

594
00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:30.360
head nerd here, but uh,
we all love going to the field.

595
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:34.039
I mean, I bet you dollar. Tyler's probably out right now doing something

596
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:37.440
and he's fairly new to the game. He kind of he was he was

597
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:39.320
really drumming everywhere. He's a really
good drummer, and he was playing music

598
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:44.280
everywhere. Then he saw a sasquatch
out of Mountain National Forest and he'd like

599
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:45.719
quit all his bands. And now
he's been out in the woods like three

600
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:50.239
or four days a week. He's
pretty obsessive when it comes to things like

601
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:53.280
that. And Nico of course is
well trained. He's you know, he's

602
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:59.159
going going to school form paleontology.
He's a kind of a bone expert train

603
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:01.360
tracker day has you know, been
out there forever. He had some experiences

604
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:05.400
in the woods and he went like
what and you know, he made a

605
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:09.079
YouTube channel and he's he's gung ho
and super stoked on learning things and always

606
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:14.440
wants to go. We've got in
of course. Keith, he's our contractor.

607
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:20.880
I met him through our mutual friend
Will Robinson. Keats basically built the

608
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:23.239
museum, like he built the infant, the bones on the museum and I

609
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:27.320
hung the meat on it, you
know, because all the content is from

610
00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:30.679
me, but content and artifacts and
whatnot. But he basically built the structures

611
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:34.599
and whatever for me to hang things
on. And yeah, he didn't think

612
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.639
twice about Bigfoot until he started working
for us, and now he can't get

613
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:40.000
enough of it. He's out there, you know, doing the film recreations,

614
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:43.039
you know, at the Walla Walla
site with us a couple of weeks

615
00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:45.440
ago. He's out in the field
with us whenever you can get Yeah,

616
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:47.199
he just loves it. Very very
lucky to have the team we have here,

617
00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:52.960
the location. You know, when
you mentioned something about like I forget

618
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:57.400
how you put it, but basically
we're a big antenna at this point getting

619
00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:00.000
Biger all the time, but a
big antenna where people are hearing about it,

620
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:01.119
and they say, oh, I
bet they would like to know about

621
00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:05.199
this, or oh hey, oh
you found a footprint, tell them about

622
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:07.400
it, or there was a sighting
or you know, that's how we got

623
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:09.960
the Walla Walla footage. Is that
somebody said she posted on the Walla Walla

624
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:13.639
board on the Facebook board, and
someone said, oh, you should tell

625
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:15.400
Cliff Berrickman about this, and she
did. You know, so it's kind

626
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:20.599
of nice to have such a neat
line of incoming information. But speaking of

627
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:23.480
that, just today, just today
in the shop, a family was in

628
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:29.360
here from I forget Centralia or something
up that direction. Anyway, they went

629
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:31.079
through the museum and I said,
hey, did you see anything cool back

630
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:32.760
there? They go, oh,
hey, you're Cliff, and I go,

631
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:36.320
yeah, I am, and well, I said, well depends who's

632
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:37.679
looking. But it turns out they
were cool. So I said, yeah,

633
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:40.920
I'm Cliff, and they said I
want to show you something. We

634
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:45.599
got a cast in the car.
And went like, oh fantastic. And

635
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:46.800
you know that sort of thing happens
every couple of weeks where it's like,

636
00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:51.159
hey, we've got this in the
car. We'd love to show you.

637
00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:52.719
You know, he usually doesn't show
turned out to be too much, too

638
00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:55.719
exciting, but every once in a
while it does, and today was kind

639
00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:59.679
of neat. He went out to
the car and he brought in this cast

640
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:04.800
and he put it on the table
and I immediately recognized it. It wasn't

641
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:07.079
a new cast. I was kind
of hoping it would be, but I

642
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:13.199
immediately recognized as a Ray Wallace hoax, which you know when you know,

643
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:15.639
I'm not a big fan of hoaxes, but I am a big fan of

644
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:19.079
Bigfoot history, and Ray Wallace hoaxes
are part of the history, whether we

645
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:21.840
like it or not. And I
said, Oh, where did you get

646
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:23.480
this? He goes, oh,
well, I think his dad or somebody

647
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:27.800
worked at a fiberglass plant when he
was a kid. In about nineteen eighty

648
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:34.599
three, he was at his dad's
work and they somebody brought in a semi

649
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:40.320
translucent resin cast of a bigfoot.
It was that one and his friend borrowed

650
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:43.719
it and made a mold and made
a duplicate. So this is actually a

651
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:47.559
duplicate of a Ray Wallace hoax.
And I goes, oh, that's a

652
00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:52.480
Ray And I started telling about the
history of Ray Wallace and his position in

653
00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:58.039
the history, you know, like
he owned the he owned the log building

654
00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:01.559
or the road building crew ineteen fifty
eight, and then he sub contracted the

655
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:06.880
job the Jerry Crew, who got
the footprints of the Sasquatch. You know,

656
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:08.400
from I understand, Ray Wallace wasn't
even the state at the time,

657
00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:14.639
so he could didn't plant those,
But he actually was the recipient of the

658
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:19.199
government contract to build the first road
in the Bluff Creek, and he subcontracted

659
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:22.519
that out to Jerry Crew. So
Jerry It's often written that Jerry Crew worked

660
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:25.599
for Ray Wallace, and I guess
that's technically true, but Ray Wallace wasn't

661
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:30.599
there, he wasn't on site,
and Jerry Crew wasn't working for Ray taking

662
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:32.719
directions from him at the time.
That's not the way it happened. He

663
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:39.119
subcontracted the entire job to Jerry CRU's
road building operation, and that's how that

664
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:43.079
happened. But I kind of explained
all that, and I went over and

665
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.239
I pulled off doctor Meldrum's book from
the shelf and I said, well,

666
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:47.599
look at this, and I flipped
it open and I said, there's your

667
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:52.159
cast, and there's a picture of
the same cast in doctor Meldrum's book,

668
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:53.800
and he goes, oh my god. He immediately recognized there it is,

669
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:57.360
you know, and we didn't leave
the cast with us, which is fine.

670
00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:00.920
You know, I'm looking for actually
a real Ray Wallace original. I'd

671
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:02.119
love to have one of those,
so if anybody knows where I can find

672
00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:07.000
one, let me know. But
inside that resin mold or the resin cast

673
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:14.199
that I mentioned, the translucent resin
cast, was a like a brochure shaped

674
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:17.840
piece of paper with information about Bigfoot
in this weird, you know, nineteen

675
00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:23.639
seventies typewriter script, and it was, you know stuff, you know,

676
00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:28.519
it's just like Bigfoot is a blah
blah blah and possible relative of Homo sapiens

677
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:31.719
and all this kind of antiquated sort
of stuff. And he said that the

678
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:37.280
piece of paper was inside the res
the translucent resin cast that this was made

679
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:39.519
off of, and then someone of
his friends remade it, like, you

680
00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:44.239
know, somehow scanned it, and
he gave us a bunch of copies of

681
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:45.880
that, which I thought was kind
of neat. So just today somebody brought

682
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:51.079
in a copy of a piece of
history. And you know, history is

683
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:53.639
part of what the NBC is all
about honestly, So it was really really

684
00:42:53.719 --> 00:42:57.599
neat to kind of see that come
in the door. I took some pictures

685
00:42:57.599 --> 00:42:59.920
of it, and I will be
posting that in the next couple of days

686
00:42:59.920 --> 00:43:02.880
for our museum members. Yeah,
probably not something that we necessarily need to

687
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:06.800
post for a Bigfoot and beyond and
those people care, but you know,

688
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:08.159
for the museum members, they'll be
seeing that soon. So it's kind of

689
00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:12.039
neat. Oh, that's very cool
for history like that to come in.

690
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:14.559
Yeah. Things just walk in the
door all the time, you know.

691
00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:16.559
Yeah. I I remember a couple
of years ago somebody walked in the door

692
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:20.599
and they're looking around and says,
you don't have anything about my family here?

693
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:23.719
Who who are you? He goes, Oh, my name is Neil

694
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:28.239
Beck. And I went like,
holy crap, Fred, how are you

695
00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:30.960
related to Fred? He goes,
oh, that he's my great great uncle

696
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:35.000
or something like that he said,
and I just went like no, yeah,

697
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:37.639
And then I still I still talk
to Neil. With all this Ape

698
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:42.920
Canyon stuff that's happening right now,
there's I don't think it's out yet,

699
00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:45.079
so I'm not going to talk about
but kol Ape Canyon stuff is on the

700
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:47.719
horizon, So I've been I've been
calling Neil and talking to him lately and

701
00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:50.800
stuff. So you just never know
who's going to come in the door.

702
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:55.199
You just never know. Stay tuned
for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and

703
00:43:55.239 --> 00:44:05.280
Bogo. We'll be right back after
these messages. Yeah, you just never

704
00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:07.760
know who's going to be here.
It's a really fun place to work.

705
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:09.079
Oh, I can't wait to see
it. You know. I visited you

706
00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:13.920
in I guess it was September or
October of twenty nineteen, and at that

707
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:16.960
point the gift shop was open,
but the museum portion wasn't completed or open

708
00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:20.400
to the public yet. So I
can't wait to see what it looks like

709
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:22.320
now. I'm really excited about it. Yeah, it kind of sucked then,

710
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:25.840
but it's great now. It's not
even great now. It's pretty good

711
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:30.119
now. I'm a pretty harsh critic
on myself. It's pretty good now.

712
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:34.239
But knowing what we have in you
know, what's coming up in the next

713
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:36.960
couple of months, and the stuff
that you know, I've already paid for

714
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:39.159
that we haven't received, and there's
some really really cool things coming. Man.

715
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:45.400
I cannot I am just tickled.
I'm tickled pink about this coming summer,

716
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:47.719
because you know, we make all
of our money in the summer,

717
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:51.199
because we're kind of a tourism industry
at the end of the day, and

718
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:53.239
so during the fall and winter we
improve things. Like I don't know if

719
00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:57.760
you've been hearing Matt or our audience
for that matter, but there's been banging

720
00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:04.039
in the background, like bam in
the background. That's because literally right now

721
00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:08.159
as I speak, Keith is downstairs, and you know, Dave was here

722
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:12.039
for a while. Dave and Keith
were taking everything off one of the walls

723
00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:15.599
and we're repainting one of the walls
downstairs and putting up shelving where we can

724
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:19.119
display some really cool items that we've
been getting in lately, not for a

725
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:22.280
museum displays, but for like,
you know, merchandise displays. There are

726
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:24.239
certain things that we keep behind the
shelves that people can't put their hands on

727
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:29.360
because because they're too expensive. We
just got, like, we have a

728
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:31.920
thermal imaging camera in the shop that's
going to go back in there. We

729
00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:37.679
have we just got a bunch of
autographed John Green stuff in that I put

730
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:42.840
out for some museum members. I
always sell the cool stuff to the museum

731
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:46.159
members first. There's usually nothing left
after they get they get a hold of

732
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:49.800
it. But yeah, that kind
of thing is going to go behind the

733
00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:52.320
counter on these shelves and stuff.
And yeah, so we're improving things all

734
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:54.719
the time. It's it's it's a
lot of fun, you know. It's

735
00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:59.800
it's like this really cool living art
project that I get to work on every

736
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:05.079
day. I show up to work
and you know, I cataloged some footprint

737
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:09.719
casts, I added another cast to
the inventory. I did some proof reading

738
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:15.280
in the back. Like every day
is Bigfoot Creativity Day for Cliff. It's

739
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:16.960
a lot of fun to work here. Oh that's hot. I really can't

740
00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:21.400
wait to see it. Like I
said, I'll be out there in January,

741
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:25.400
so super excited about it. Maybe
we should plug the squatch Fest.

742
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:29.960
I actually just got an email from
the organizer today, so it's fresh on

743
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:31.679
my mind. So I'm really looking
forward to to getting out there. And

744
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:36.239
I know you've done that event several
times and always spoke really highly of it.

745
00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:37.199
Oh, it's one of my favorites. Yeah, it's a great event.

746
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:39.760
I'd love the fact that it's local, you know, and it's but

747
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:44.760
it's not just that it's local that
that makes me tickled about squatch Fest every

748
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:47.000
year. And it's not just the
speakers either, and they tend to get

749
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:51.000
really good speakers, but you know, everybody hangs out and it's just a

750
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:52.199
good time. Like for example,
like you know, so you and you're

751
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:54.480
going to be staying at the house
for a couple of days before squatch Fest.

752
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:57.480
We're gonna hang out. We're gonna
go to the woods and go to

753
00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:00.000
the museum and do all that sort
of stuff. Yesterday I got call Michael

754
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:02.639
Freeman needs a place to stay,
So Mike's gonna be stay at the house

755
00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:07.880
too. So Michael will be at
the house and the doctor melderm may or

756
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:10.519
may not be out. I haven't
spoken to him lately, so yeah,

757
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:14.599
and it's just gonna be a great
time. It's a lot of fun.

758
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:17.840
Yeah. It looks like it's Friday, January twenty sixth and Saturday January twenty

759
00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:21.519
seven so a two day event there. And I know they've got a lot

760
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:23.880
of vendors signed up. And I
just can't wait to see you and see

761
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:28.679
doctor Meldrim again. And you know, I've lived in the Northwest for almost

762
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:30.800
three years. I've got a lot
of friends that are to come out,

763
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:35.760
so it'll be really cool, really
cool trip to catch up with squatching buddies

764
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:38.519
and some normies, some non squatching
buddies who are going to come out.

765
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:44.000
I actually have a friend from Atlanta
who now lives in Kelso, and I

766
00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:45.760
kind of forgot that he was living
out there, and then he messaged me

767
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:49.000
a picture of the flyer and he
was like, dude, you're coming to

768
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:52.639
town. I'm going to the event. So very exciting. A lot of

769
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:54.960
people show up, Like three or
four thousand people go through the doors in

770
00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:59.159
those two days. Yeah, it's
a really neat event. And you know,

771
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:01.199
obviously it's it's good for the museum
because you know, everything I sell

772
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:05.800
at my table goes to the museum
or whatever. I enjoy speaking to the

773
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:09.599
local home crowd. I really enjoy
that a lot. Actually, still I

774
00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:13.039
think I'm going to be doing a
brand new presentation too. I'm still kind

775
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:15.280
of formulating it. I mentioned recently
I want it to be about hand prints,

776
00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:19.639
but I think I may have to
expand that a little bit. In

777
00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:22.119
fact, I mentioned earlier I've been
kicking around this idea twenty twenty three year.

778
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:27.119
The handprints it might be something along
those lines, because that'll let me

779
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:30.159
have a chance to not only speak
about hand prints and what they mean to

780
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:34.440
us the researchers, and what we
can learn about the animals by studying them,

781
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:37.559
but it also kind of highlights some
of the stuff that we're doing at

782
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:43.760
the NABC, you know, because
I do kind of like touting our efforts

783
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:46.760
at the museum to other people,
to kind of say, hey, this

784
00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:51.000
is just like an hour south of
you. You guys are hunters, you're

785
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:52.280
out in the woods, you know, Like tell me what's going on.

786
00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:55.880
Let me know what's going on here. I'm local. This seems like an

787
00:48:55.880 --> 00:48:59.920
appropriate time or place we can give
a plug to our friends over there,

788
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:02.920
small town monsters. I guess Eli, who was a recent guest on the

789
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:07.639
on the podcast here, Eli recently
did a I guess a visit or an

790
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:13.400
expedition or something with the Olympic Project
folks, and I guess a couple of

791
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:15.400
days ago David was telling me about
it. I really haven't had a chance

792
00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:19.880
to look at it yet. And
you know, I don't generally watch Bigfoot

793
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:23.599
TV stuff anyway, but I do
like the small town Monsters guys and gals.

794
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:29.199
But they did something recently on just
the Nest site. Have you seen

795
00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:30.840
this thing yet? You know,
I know it's an episodic series, and

796
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:34.679
I watched the first episode and it
was excellent. So I haven't seen the

797
00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:37.360
newest one yet, but I did
see the first one, and you know,

798
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:40.199
I can't say enough nice things about
Eli. He's a great filmmaker.

799
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:44.599
He's got a good eye for that
stuff. He's a great student of the

800
00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:49.400
Sasquatch subject. And so I'm definitely
gonna watch the whole series. Yeah,

801
00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:51.880
Dave was saying that, I guess
it's gonna be a two parter of this

802
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:54.079
one, and the first one is
mostly about the nets in general, and

803
00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:58.800
and I guess at the end of
this one they they just start talking about

804
00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:00.840
the second Nest site. And you
know, I was pretty heavily involved in

805
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:04.719
this, at least the second one
at the very beginning, and the first

806
00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:07.199
one as well, So I'm kind
of anxious to see that. I think

807
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:10.320
that'd be kind of neat. So
that's a new thing that's out there that

808
00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:13.960
I think that people probably should go
watch, you know, especially if you

809
00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:16.000
have more questions about the nest site. And I kind of I didn't have

810
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:20.280
time, because I pulled it open
right before I was supposed to come upstairs

811
00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:22.440
and do the podcast here. But
I did have time to kind of scrub

812
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:25.599
through it, you know, like
like kind of fast forward through it.

813
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:30.159
It seems like you get a lot
of good information straight from Derek and Shane

814
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:32.039
and to Odd and all those folks, you know, Chris, everybody who's

815
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:36.079
still working out there in the webs
in the nest site. Dave gave me

816
00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:38.360
the low down that they start touching
on the vocalization study they've been doing out

817
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:44.000
there, which is probably second to
none because they have these long term recorders

818
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:45.920
out there, and I will say
they're doing a far better job than we

819
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:50.280
are here at the museum doing that
kind of thing. Our focus is really

820
00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:52.760
not on the vocalizations, but we
do have a couple of long term recorders

821
00:50:52.800 --> 00:51:00.440
out there. But they are doing
an excellent, excellent job cataloging the soundsifying

822
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:04.719
the sounds and put them all in
the spreadsheets and trying to squeeze information out

823
00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:07.719
of that stuff. I guess they're
starting to touch on that because I know

824
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:09.920
what's happening behind the scenes, Like
you know, I've seen the data.

825
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:13.559
You know, Chris has been at
the shop with the footprints of the cast,

826
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:15.519
and like I've seen the data and
I know the story, I don't

827
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:20.239
know the documentary. You know.
That's maybe that's part of the reason I

828
00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:22.239
don't watch a lot of big Foot
TVs because I know what's already going and

829
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:24.599
I already know what's going on behind
the scenes, you know. But I

830
00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:28.519
guess Dave was talking about that to
me, so I guess some of that

831
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:30.559
might be in the documentary. But
really the joy of it, I think

832
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:35.239
for people who have never been to
the nest site, and most people never

833
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:37.599
will, of course, but the
people who are interested in the nest site,

834
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:40.280
you get to see them. You
really get to see a lot of

835
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:45.559
video of the nests themselves, and
particularly that second nests seite, because I

836
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:51.320
find myself describing that second nest site
quite often because in the museum not all.

837
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:55.679
I mean, they do have a
I did catch that the guys Shane

838
00:51:55.679 --> 00:52:00.119
and Derek and those folks were making
a net, and of course they did

839
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:05.760
that a number of years ago and
then presented the nest at the squatch Fest

840
00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:08.840
event that we were just talking about. So they brought their their their nest

841
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:13.760
in and they basically made a nest
as an experiment to figure out like,

842
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:15.440
okay, what is what does it
take to make one of these things?

843
00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:20.519
And they learned a lot from doing
it. That nest replica, by the

844
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:24.239
way, is in the NABC.
It is here on site, on display

845
00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:30.480
all the time, and with three
full information panels about the nest site,

846
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:34.519
well the nests in general. We
have a brand new one that's up maybe

847
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:39.119
about two months old at the most. About the second nest site discovered one

848
00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:44.760
ridge over from the original nests,
and in that see the first the first

849
00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:47.480
nest displays like okay that this happened. There's pictures of the rocks that were

850
00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:51.760
banging together and all that jazz.
The second nest site display is a little

851
00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:54.960
bit more. It's information like,
hey, they discovered another one. Here's

852
00:52:55.000 --> 00:53:00.519
the circumstances of what what they just
when they discovered it. Here is a

853
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:07.559
container full of nesting material from the
nest site itself, including and here's a

854
00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:12.679
hair that we found in the nesting
material. And also here is a footprint

855
00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:16.480
cast from one of the fourteen inch
footprints that we found and cast at the

856
00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:22.159
site and underneath the material themselves.
So that was kind of neat and then

857
00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:27.239
finally the third panel there by,
the nest is not about the nests,

858
00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:30.920
but about the pioneering work of Lori
Joe Hamilton, a good good friend of

859
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:37.400
mine, unsung hero and bigfoot.
She deserves to be my top bill basically

860
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:42.440
on a big foot billboard. There. She has been doing excellent quiet work

861
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:46.440
out there with her dog Marley,
walking around and casting footprints since twenty fourteen

862
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:52.920
or fifteen, unbeknownst to her,
within five miles of the nest site,

863
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:57.760
north, south, east and west
of the nest site area and showing the

864
00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:01.960
same individuals that seem to be pressed
at the nest site, like literally very

865
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:06.880
likely the same bigfoots who made the
nest. And of course Laurie didn't know

866
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:10.119
anything about the Olympic project, and
the Olympic Project ever heard of Lori.

867
00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:14.880
I've introduced them, you know.
Now they all know each other and communicating

868
00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:17.679
stuff. But so she has her
own big display panel with a bunch of

869
00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:22.280
her casts as well. Yeah,
so it's neat to see the nest site

870
00:54:22.519 --> 00:54:28.000
documentary kind of make the light of
day and for people who are interested in

871
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:30.679
what the nests are, what they
could mean, how they were made,

872
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:35.840
the context of the find and the
ongoing saga. Well, check out the

873
00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:40.880
new documentary whatever it's called on small
Town Monster stuff. I'm like the worst

874
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:45.280
guy for plugging things, you know. Check out the new documentary whatever it's

875
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:50.159
called. The link in the show
notes. It was really cool that first

876
00:54:50.199 --> 00:54:53.400
episode because he also got a lot
of video that they had taken over the

877
00:54:53.480 --> 00:55:00.239
years, and so he'd incorporated that. So there's almost like that documentary style

878
00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:05.280
where you can see the progression over
the years of the field research that members

879
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:08.000
of the Olympic Project are conducting there. And that's really cool that I didn't

880
00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:10.280
know that they were getting into some
of the audio stuff, because yeah,

881
00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:15.519
Chris Spencer spearheads that and is,
you know, in my opinion, the

882
00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:19.760
best person doing sort of audio work
out there. You know, Chris,

883
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:22.400
you know, I consider a very
dear friend, and I could just tell

884
00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:25.280
when I met him because as you
know, you know, doing this for

885
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:29.840
so long, you travel around the
country, you meet a lot of people,

886
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:32.920
and the majority of people that you
meet are sort of enthusiasts or proponents

887
00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:36.840
or you know, but enthusias would
probably be the right word, like people

888
00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:40.079
who are fans of the subject who
follow it maybe loosely, you know,

889
00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:44.760
maybe they get out once or twice
a year or something like that, or

890
00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:47.360
they engage in the community side of
it. And those people tend to come

891
00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:52.480
and go just because you know,
interests change and they wane, you know,

892
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:55.840
whether you're following this or any other
subject. But there's just always a

893
00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:59.920
tinier handful of people that are the
lifers, you know what I mean.

894
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:04.960
And so I look back at as
long as I've been involved, and some

895
00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:07.599
of the same people have been around, you know, you Darryl call your

896
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:09.840
Mike Mays. You know, I've
got a number of these, Derek,

897
00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:14.559
etcetera. As one of them.
And I was aware of Chris, but

898
00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:15.760
once I met him and started talking
to him, I was like, oh,

899
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:19.000
he's one of us, for sure. You know, he's a lifer,

900
00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:22.840
like one of us kind of thing. So goa goba hey, Yeah.

901
00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:25.360
So I think the world of Chris, and he's doing stellar work in

902
00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:29.840
that regard. So I'm glad that
element of what they're doing is being showcased.

903
00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:32.800
In addition to not just the analysis
of these nests and trying to get

904
00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:37.440
to the bottom of that particular phenomenon, let's say, but audio work too.

905
00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:43.079
Because it's Chris is doing this sort
of herculean effort there. Well,

906
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:45.639
all right, Matt, I mean, I mean there's I guess that's a

907
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:46.840
catching up session. I mean,
we didn't have Bubble with us. But

908
00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:52.000
since you're rarely a voice that is
heard on the regular episode, you're always

909
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:54.039
lurking in the shadows, I thought
this might be a fun opportunity just to

910
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:58.639
kind of catch up and talk about
various things have been happening. Get your

911
00:56:58.679 --> 00:57:00.760
point of view, even though it
seems like I was mostly doing the talking

912
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:02.840
in this one. But whatever.
You've been a guest on the show a

913
00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:06.639
couple of times, but there you
go. No, I love hearing the

914
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:09.119
updates. Like I said, kudos
to everyone at the NAPC, And what

915
00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:13.360
you're doing is awesome and I can't
wait to see it in January. I

916
00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:15.400
can't believe how lucky I am that
I get to do this. I really

917
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:20.840
really appreciative of this accident that I
can call my life. You know,

918
00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:27.320
absolutely all right, Well, I
guess with that, listen next time if

919
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:30.119
you can, you know, phone
the neighbors, wake the kids, tell

920
00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:31.840
them to listen to Bigfoot and Beyond
with Cliff and Bobo. And Matt lurking

921
00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:37.960
around here somewhere, and we're going
to go record a members episode here next

922
00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:39.719
And if you want to be a
member of Bigfoot and Beyond, just go

923
00:57:39.760 --> 00:57:44.960
to Bigfoot and Beyond podcast dot com
and you hit the membership button or Matt

924
00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:47.400
Pru. Of course, we'll put
the link in the show notes, and

925
00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:52.239
then hopefully next week Bobo will be
with us. We expect him to be.

926
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:54.039
Of course, today was kind of
an anomaly. He had to cancel

927
00:57:54.159 --> 00:57:58.559
the last minute just a couple hours
ago, and this case, it is

928
00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:01.519
totally acceptable he did so. So
anyway, tune in next week. So,

929
00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:05.119
Matt Prue, would you like to
do your best Bobo imitation and take

930
00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:08.400
us out of here? Yep?
Sure, all right, folks, make

931
00:58:08.440 --> 00:58:12.440
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932
00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:22.480
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933
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:25.079
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