WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:06.080 She is sponsored by Wall Street, Window dot Com and listeners like you, 2 00:00:06.440 --> 00:00:15.599 Yeah, Now and Now and omdia Lly. Twenty sixth day of March twenty 3 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:19.079 twenty four, allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar, and it's 4 00:00:19.120 --> 00:00:24.679 only a couple of days past a full moon here and going straight on in, 5 00:00:24.760 --> 00:00:28.559 we're in the shadow phase, just before mercury retrograde. In case you 6 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:34.000 needed your orientation from me, and if you do, I'm terribly sorry for 7 00:00:34.119 --> 00:00:38.600 you. Anyway, Here it is Tearesday, Tuesday, and I am starting 8 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:43.880 off this week with another part. Maybe be four parts, maybe be five. 9 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:47.600 Let's see how many tentacles we go. Oops that I say tentacles. 10 00:00:48.159 --> 00:00:54.479 Yeah, the octopus once again this time though instead of going for the chaos 11 00:00:54.479 --> 00:00:59.359 event Opperman, who knows everybody and seems to be informed about many of the 12 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:03.679 dirty under people's fingernails at all times, which is messed up because I always 13 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:07.920 told him that, if indeed I was ever faced with divorce again in my 14 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:11.799 lifetime, I would really really hate it if my soon to be ex wife 15 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:17.680 would hire him as an investigator against me, not just because I know him, 16 00:01:17.680 --> 00:01:19.760 but because no matter what he seems to find dirt wherever he goes. 17 00:01:21.920 --> 00:01:25.200 Maybe that's commentary on ED, but anyway, Opperman was on talking about the 18 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:30.480 octopus. Then I had Albert Lanier talking about the octopus, and I decided 19 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:34.120 we needed yet another point of view. And you know, you can't examine 20 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:38.560 eight tentacles with two people, not at all, and this guy can cover 21 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:42.400 a bunch of them. Charlie Robinson macro aggressions. Okay, that's the podcast 22 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:47.519 he was on a radio station, but we're not gonna mention that because that's 23 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:51.519 all done. And you know what else, he's also part of Union of 24 00:01:51.519 --> 00:01:56.200 the Unwanted. He's an author. What can I say, man, Charlie 25 00:01:56.280 --> 00:02:00.239 Robinson. Very cool to have you on, and thank you for Joe pointing 26 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:05.439 me to go again once again onto the breach that is the octopus. First 27 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:07.799 off, though, how you doing tonight? Man? Well, I'm doing 28 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:09.960 great. It's good to be back. Thanks for having me. You know, 29 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:14.479 I wrote a book called The Octopus of Global Control when I was forty 30 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:17.479 four years old as well, and believe me, I was thinking, I 31 00:02:17.479 --> 00:02:23.000 don't want to end up packed into some bathtub in a hotel in West Virginia 32 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:28.199 somewhere, because I was aware of what Danny had written about. And even 33 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:32.520 though his octopus and my octopus were kind of a little bit different, you 34 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:38.199 know, there's still quite a bit of overlap in this ven diagram of evil, 35 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:45.000 and there's plenty to go around. And unfortunately, in his particular case, 36 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:50.560 he was asking questions to people. And in my case, nobody knew 37 00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:54.520 who I was, and I wasn't doing too much chit chatting. In fact, 38 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:58.520 I kept it completely under wraps that I was writing the book at all, 39 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:00.719 so nobody knew what I was working on. But unfortunately for Danny, 40 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:06.879 it wound up getting him killed. And but that's what happens when you when 41 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:14.680 you trip over their little toy that they had hidden. It was extremely helpful 42 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:16.879 for them. Well, yeah, here's the problem, right, is that 43 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:21.039 Danny trips over this toy, as you called it. You know, in 44 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:24.199 the nineteen nineties, and indeed, there was no Internet to speak of, 45 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:30.159 at least for the civilian population at the time. The military had something called 46 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:34.280 the arpinet still, but we did not have the Internet yet. You don't 47 00:03:34.319 --> 00:03:38.759 have the ability to share information as quickly as possible as you do now, 48 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:44.759 even though that information is quite often distorted misdirected, et cetera. But indeed 49 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:49.800 you are talking about a different octopus because technology has changed. And Danny Castilero 50 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:53.479 interesting point, how old was he when he died? Four? Oh? 51 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:59.240 Okay, you know, cause you mentioned you're forty four when you wrote anyway 52 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:01.800 saying that you you were doing something that could get you killed or not. 53 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:09.159 I'm just saying that clearly you're dealing with two different time periods generationally here, 54 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:12.400 right, Oh yeah, yes, And that plays a huge part in this 55 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:15.959 too, because you know where you have this sort of the safety and security 56 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:19.519 of being able to research on the internet. You know, you can you 57 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:24.079 can hide at home, you can hide behind VPNs, you don't have to 58 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:28.240 really get yourself out there. But if you're Danny Castellaro in nineteen ninety one 59 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:33.800 or nineteen ninety asking around write and compile and information talking to people, you 60 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:39.519 do that enough and people start to take notice of it. And had he 61 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:43.639 been writing this book a decade later, he might not have wound up in 62 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:48.720 the same predicament. But but that's that's sort of the nature of the beast 63 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:54.439 back then. And and of course he stumbled onto a like a real hornet's 64 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:58.399 nest I mean, he thinks he's writing, he thinks he's working in you 65 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:03.199 know, a right about software, writing about tech issues and things like that, 66 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:06.959 and comes across this, uh, this software system, and frankly, 67 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:12.800 I don't think that he quite knew what he had until well, until he 68 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:17.079 did. And then at that point, you know that then all your paranoia 69 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:21.279 starts to become real and you start to ask around and think, oh shit, 70 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:25.079 you know, what have I done? Well? If I know about 71 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:28.000 this and they know that I know about this, now I'm a target. 72 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:30.480 Well and here's the problem, right, is that this is true in any 73 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:35.399 era. Uh, you kick over a hornet's nest of any kind. Here's 74 00:05:35.439 --> 00:05:40.120 the thing, there's a lot more buzzing than there is stinging. And a 75 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:44.079 guy like Michael Ricona shudo And we're gonna have to rewind and kind of give 76 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:47.360 a synopsis to the uninitiated here, just real fast. But you know, 77 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:53.360 when you start with Inslow, all right, and this software program that again 78 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:58.480 is you know, going all the way back to the Reagan administration apparently all 79 00:05:58.600 --> 00:06:01.360 right, and I'm in the early part of the Reagan administration they were building 80 00:06:01.399 --> 00:06:05.519 software at a time when again I stated, there's no internet to speak of 81 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:11.959 for the public. There is a connection here to Watergate people, in fact, 82 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:15.160 one of the attorneys that gets involved. And so there's a historical point 83 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:20.439 at which this begins, and there's the work that Castelaro, Danny Castillaro, 84 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:23.959 is doing. And by the way, you know, do you slash your 85 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:27.399 risk thirteen times? I mean, you know, I think it was thirteen 86 00:06:27.439 --> 00:06:30.560 altogether. Yeah, okay, you know, do you do that trying to 87 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:32.439 kill yourself? And why would you kill yourself? Did you get involved with 88 00:06:32.439 --> 00:06:36.240 the crazy guy? Well, Ricono Shudo. I mean, just look at 89 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:43.199 the guy. He's clearly not all together. And on top of it, 90 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:46.199 the software guy might be a little eccentric, the guy that he begins with, 91 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:51.759 right, So, I mean, you have this basis for a story 92 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:57.720 that is salacious, that's filled with crazy details. And then you have an 93 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:02.399 NSA guy turning up dead, by the way, who probably under most circumstances 94 00:07:02.439 --> 00:07:06.879 would not turn up dead without somebody looking into it pretty deeply. You have 95 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:13.639 the interesting, you know, craziness of the suicide air quotes I'm holding up 96 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:16.839 at home because we're not doing video tonight, But I mean, the suicide 97 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:21.519 of Danny Castileiro? Where did you? I know a lot of people have 98 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:27.480 suddenly become aware and have also become reinvigorated with their interest. I had a 99 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:30.360 couple of people write to me and say, you know, because Netflix turned 100 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:32.240 around and did this, I was going to do something for the anniversary, 101 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:36.959 and I decided never mind, because you know what these people have now kind 102 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:43.079 of hijacked it. Where do you come into this story? Does the Danny 103 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:46.319 Castillo thing? And I don't know, maybe it was on Unsolved Mysteries first, 104 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:50.879 you know, as as Albert Lanier pointed out, you know, when 105 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:55.839 do you become aware of Danny Castileiro? How do you come into that? 106 00:07:56.680 --> 00:08:00.399 And where do we go from there? Tell us that that little story is, 107 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:03.040 you know, in a concise way as you can. Yeah, I 108 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:11.240 come into it from sort of the backway around, more of an understanding of 109 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:16.240 the group that was responsible for his death, and then working forward from there. 110 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:22.920 He called it the octopus. Other people called it the enterprise. This 111 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:28.480 is the private CIA that was built by George H. W. Bush and 112 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:31.879 some of his cronies that got booted out of the CIA. They formed this 113 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:35.799 sort of shadow government, you know, a form of a deep state, 114 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:43.600 and between them, they had thousands of people working for them and in multiple 115 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:46.639 corporations that were running They were involved in the Savings and Loan scandal, they 116 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:50.799 were involved in Iran contra, they were running drugs, they were building the 117 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:56.039 private prisons, They were deeply involved in all kinds of things. So this 118 00:08:56.279 --> 00:09:01.879 was a group that was exceptionally dangerous and yet surprise well hidden, almost kind 119 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:05.960 of hidden in plain sight because most of the people had day jobs in which 120 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:09.080 you wouldn't really think that they would be running criminal enterprises. I mean, 121 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:13.480 George H. W. Bush was the Vice President of the United States while 122 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:18.759 this was going on, right, and then later became the President of the 123 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:22.000 United States when Castellarro was murdered. Well, let me pause you for a 124 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:24.679 second. Let me just pause you for a second, because here's the problem 125 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:28.440 with a lot of people that don't necessarily understand the underworld at all, and 126 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:35.200 or at all either because there is a nexus in which, you know, 127 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:41.480 people like Mitch Rebell come into play that many private contractors of all sorts of 128 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:46.480 stripes. You know from your oh god, what was the name of that 129 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:50.759 guy who was big with the tape recording equipment? You know, there are 130 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:56.879 sort of private actors out there that are not necessarily part of any proper organization, 131 00:09:56.679 --> 00:10:03.159 right, that are sort of crawling around somewhere between the criminal world, 132 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:07.720 or maybe in the criminal world, sometimes dealing with the intelligence community because they're 133 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:11.759 useful in one way or another. It could be regarding drugs, it could 134 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:16.240 be regarding surveillance, it could be just simply because of their knowledge of the 135 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:22.240 underworld. Gordon Novell is another character of that ILK, right, a guy 136 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:26.320 who was never part of the CIA, and never I think at some point 137 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:30.200 might have had a job with the FBI briefly, but never actually part of 138 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:35.039 anything government wise. For his day job, he was a freelancer. And 139 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:39.200 there are tons of these guys out there. The reservations that come into play 140 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:45.559 here. This is not a singularity and is what I'm saying, There is 141 00:10:45.799 --> 00:10:48.480 an interlocking web, almost like a dark web of sorts. See. I 142 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:52.120 brought that up with Lanier, where I said it is very much like the 143 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:58.200 dark web in that it is part of the infrastructure, and it is underneath 144 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:01.519 the structure that most of the pixies all the time on the Internet. Indeed, 145 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:07.279 if you know how to navigate though below the surface, you can find 146 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:11.759 many a dark spaces where things go on, where indeed there might be organized 147 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:15.279 crime figures, not just one ethnicity, not just Italians, by the way, 148 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:20.320 but all sorts of ethnic gangs. People have brought up everything from the 149 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:24.799 Sicilians to the uh I think Lithuanian. At one point, somebody brought up, 150 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:31.360 you know, the Russians. But this nexus actually allows all of that 151 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:37.000 to be in an ecosphere of sorts, again mostly invisible to the majority of 152 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:41.000 the public. Much like the Internet, we see the pages that are published, 153 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:45.159 we don't necessarily see all of those coded number places you can go to 154 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:50.240 unless you have some tool to navigate them. Okay, exactly, that's exactly. 155 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:54.279 That's a good point too, because in order to understand, if you 156 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:58.200 think of this as like a ven diagram of evil, there's a lot of 157 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:03.679 overlapping. You know, you you can be in the official American government, 158 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:07.679 the forward facing government, as the vice President of the United States, and 159 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:13.960 also be running a crime syndicate because government organized crime. What's the difference, 160 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:16.559 really, you know, I mean, they're all sort of the same things. 161 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:20.679 So there's nothing that precludes you from being a part of multiple groups too. 162 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:24.159 And that's part of that's that's one of the things that people get a 163 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:26.600 little confused about. They assume that you're either one or the other. Maybe 164 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:31.720 maybe you're you're part of the United Nations group, or you're part of the 165 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:35.399 World Economic Forum groups, or you could be both, right, And there's 166 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:39.480 nothing that says that you can't be a member of both of these groups. 167 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:41.720 And when by the way, yeah, as you said, you can go 168 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:46.519 sort of underground a little bit, and you'll find that these criminal networks are 169 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:52.159 in some ways decentralized, right, and that it isn't necessarily everybody is wearing 170 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:56.440 the same uniform playing for the same team. There's a whole lot of individual 171 00:12:56.480 --> 00:13:01.320 players there as well. So, and the CIA is always been very knowledgeable 172 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:05.519 about using these people. They call them cutouts, you know, it's just 173 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:09.600 disposable boogeyman that they can bring in, do a job and then get rid 174 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:11.720 of them, get rid of them meaning not use them again, get rid 175 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:16.080 of them meaning throw them out of a helicopter or whatever. I mean, 176 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:20.000 there's there's ways in which you can do this. But so so, I 177 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:24.120 think that people need to recalibrate their brain when they're when they're thinking about the 178 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:31.120 way in which organized crime and the government work. It's not either or it's 179 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:35.519 both. You can be both and and in fact, there is no better 180 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:41.759 example of organized crime than government and in general, and the American government in 181 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:50.679 particular is an example. And in fact, it makes the mafia pale in 182 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:54.799 comparison when you take a look at the amount of organization inside the United States 183 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:58.720 criminal enterprise. And here's the unconsidered part of it, okay, and that 184 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:01.519 is that sometimes you're none of the above. In fact, you could just 185 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:05.240 simply be a useful guy. Okay. Why do I bring this up because 186 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:11.000 Racana Shudo is a central figure in the Netflix series. He's also a central 187 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:18.159 figure in the original Octopus situation with Danny, and he is a fascinating figure 188 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:20.600 to people who are like, wow, this is really unique. Actually, 189 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:24.879 he's not unique at all. There are lots of extremely eccentric people who are 190 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:28.360 brilliant, like with chemistry or you know, and we know about this, 191 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:31.279 you know, from the whole LSD thing. I mean, you know, 192 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:35.759 go check with our you know, war on people with the drugs thing with 193 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:41.200 several authors out there who tell you about LSD and how that whole you know, 194 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:46.159 circumstance and the counterculture function. There are many people that could point this 195 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:48.679 out to you and give you the roadmap for it. Where somebody might just 196 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:54.519 be a brilliant gunsmith again I bring up Mitch Rebelle, right, but there 197 00:14:54.519 --> 00:15:00.320 could be somebody who's just good with explosives, somebody who's good at manufacturing drug 198 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:05.759 and that is not only a useful, well you know, skill, but 199 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:09.440 it is something that allows you to have leverage over an individual. So now 200 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:13.399 you're a government person or you're a crime syndicate person, you can grab a 201 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:16.600 hold of somebody who's just really good at cooking up some sort of design or 202 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:20.799 drug, which, by the way, meth amphetamine was kind of designer if 203 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:24.240 you were to do it right, if you could do it in large quantities. 204 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:26.639 I mean, you know, I don't want to go to breaking bad 205 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:30.639 here because that's what people are associated to. But the reality is, if 206 00:15:30.679 --> 00:15:33.759 you had a really good skill there, you could be useful to the government, 207 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:35.519 you could be useful to the crime people. You could be useful in 208 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:39.759 all sorts of ways. But if you've got a little bit of dirt on 209 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:43.039 you, you've got some jail time hanging over your head, you've got some 210 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:46.639 debt hanging over your head. With a criminal syndicate, you now become extremely 211 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:52.279 useful and maneuverable as an asset. So there are also several assets who are 212 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:56.799 not necessarily assigned to anybody's team, but just having to be floating around out 213 00:15:56.840 --> 00:16:02.360 there. And Ricconnaschuto is a great example of this, where sure he's talking 214 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:06.080 out of two sides of his mouth, he's saying crazy things, some of 215 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:11.320 them are true, and believe it or not, I think anyway that quite 216 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:15.919 often assets like this are intentionally deployed, okay, in order to do what 217 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:21.399 to confuse, to muddy up the water, to make sure that clarity is 218 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:26.559 an impossibility. So continue on with this story though, from where you came 219 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:29.159 in and how you came in through the back door, and what it is 220 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:33.200 that you learned about this first, because again this goes to the sovereignty of 221 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:36.720 the Indian nations, right, I know, Native American, but you know 222 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:38.759 what I'm talking about. You know, everything from hey, we could sell 223 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:44.600 tax free cigarettes to nobody is allowed to have oversight over here government wise. 224 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:47.960 We can make weapons, we can traffic people, we can do whatever we 225 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:53.639 want out on sovereign land among the reservations. Sure, useful place, but 226 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:57.840 not the only place. And again and again and again, this stuff goes 227 00:16:57.879 --> 00:17:00.440 on and on. And now I'm starting to sound like one of these guys, 228 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:07.039 right, I know me, but but that's but this is who what 229 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:10.799 you'd do. You'd go grab a bunch of raconnocudos, right, you know, 230 00:17:10.839 --> 00:17:15.240 you'd grab them and insert them into situations to make everything a little bit 231 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:21.920 more complicated or split people up into thinking one thing. Yeah, that's the 232 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:26.400 guy that when you watch that series, he's you know, you almost know 233 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:30.599 instinctively not to trust this guy, you know, like you just would. 234 00:17:32.200 --> 00:17:34.759 You don't need the voiceover narration to tell you that this guy is trouble. 235 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:38.279 You just sort of you just sort of know. And and you you come 236 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:41.680 across a lot of these guys. You come across a lot of guys. 237 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:47.799 I mean, Danny was Danny was murdered by the Enterprise, but he's one 238 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:49.200 of four hundred people that was you know what I mean, I mean, 239 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:55.759 this wasn't and and reporters, journalists, you know, you name it. 240 00:17:55.799 --> 00:18:00.359 If you came if you came into a situation where you were going to suppose 241 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:06.119 these guys, they would just have you killed. You can see their handiwork 242 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:10.119 in. I mean, listen, you're dealing with some of the most dangerous 243 00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:12.400 people in the world. And if you want me to escape from mere generalizations, 244 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:18.039 I'm talking about guys like Oliver North Okay, he was a big time 245 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:26.319 Bush lieutenant in the enterprise and Oklahoma City has his fingerprints on it. The 246 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:30.440 Danny Cassillarro stuff has his fingerprints on it. Obviously, Iran Contra, they 247 00:18:30.440 --> 00:18:36.519 were deeply involved in that, running guns down there. So you've got a 248 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:44.279 criminal network that I think Daniel innowa Senator Daniel Inoway described best. He was 249 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:48.839 saying that there is a government outside of this government that has its own funding 250 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:53.039 mechanisms, and its own air force and its own military. And you from 251 00:18:53.119 --> 00:18:56.599 time to time you hear people like Bill Clinton on a on a hot mic 252 00:18:56.680 --> 00:19:00.599 saying, well, there's a government beyond the government, and I don't control 253 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:03.079 that one, you know, and so you start to go, well, 254 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:07.720 what is he talking about? You know what, what are these guys talking 255 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:11.240 about? These guys are they're not just talking and they know they're in a 256 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:15.880 position where they would know what are they talking about? And they're talking about 257 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:25.119 this group that sits behind and off to the side of the existing government, 258 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:27.440 and it looks like the government, and it acts like the government, and 259 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:30.279 it's made up of a lot of guys that came out of the government. 260 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:37.640 But it's like the shadiest version. It's a it's a crime syndicate. R 261 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:41.599 it's it's a it's a criminal enterprise. That's why they called it the enterprise. 262 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:45.519 And that is and part of what you would you would want to do 263 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:52.000 is you would want to control well, you'd want to think like a like, 264 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:55.720 oh, I don't know somebody that ram c I A for a decade, 265 00:19:56.039 --> 00:19:59.200 like George H. W. Bush. You'd think like a paranoid person. 266 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:02.519 You'd want to know everything. You'd want to know what was going on 267 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:07.440 before it went on. So when you come across software like what Inslaw was 268 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:17.799 doing, the software that goes into the the entire court system of the United 269 00:20:17.799 --> 00:20:21.839 States, the Justice Department of the United States. That is, if we're 270 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:26.519 in an information war, that is extremely valuable information to know who's whose where, 271 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:33.279 to understand what's going on, and to know who's talking, who's cooperating, 272 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:36.960 who's who's a witness, who's not. You know, this is something 273 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:41.880 that I think would be extremely valuable to to anybody that had access to it. 274 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:47.279 And so if you're if you're a nosy reporter and you trip over this 275 00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:51.160 stuff, you're not you don't even I don't even know that that Cassillara knew 276 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:53.480 what he was looking for until he was until it was too late. But 277 00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:59.279 this is the type of thing that is worth uh in their mind. This 278 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:02.880 is a calculation that they make. This is a couple more dead bodies, 279 00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:06.160 But hey, well listen, if you've killed three hundred, what's another four 280 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:11.079 or five or six or whatever. So we wind up in a spot where 281 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:19.920 where we're starting to see the most dangerous people in the world present themselves and 282 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:23.880 a guy like Danny Castillo probably didn't even know what was happening until it was 283 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:29.440 too late. So let me ask the hard question then, because obviously we're 284 00:21:29.480 --> 00:21:33.759 talking about the birth of the surveillance state before the tools were supposed to exist, 285 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:37.799 right, is the most interesting part of this. I love this. 286 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:40.400 It's like, you know, all that surveillance that we all know about today, 287 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:45.079 it almost seems like it's so outdated, so outmoded, that one would 288 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:48.000 wonder why it all hasn't now come to the surface because it would be completely 289 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:53.039 outdated information. It's not even actionable any of it any longer. The people 290 00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:56.960 are all dead, everybody's all gone. What is the big secret at this 291 00:21:57.039 --> 00:22:03.000 point? You think guarding this now that you know, look obviously again, 292 00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:07.920 nobody's using the promise software okay to get at you know, your information nowadays? 293 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:12.200 I mean, Facebook does it better? You know, I'm just saying 294 00:22:12.279 --> 00:22:18.599 it now. You have so many other things going on and the idea that 295 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:23.359 there is a war going on in information, war in truth. Not just 296 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:27.160 tracking people and picking up their data so you can figure out what stuff to 297 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:32.480 show them on Amazon, but I mean literally being able to track every single 298 00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:37.880 thing somebody's doing and to put you know, identification tags on every action they 299 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:41.559 take, et cetera, et cetera. This is not outside of our imagination 300 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:45.799 anymore. It almost seems like this would be no big deal now, you 301 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:51.319 know, like declassifying that we have nuclear bombs. Well, at one time 302 00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:53.759 that was a big secret, right, not so big a secret anymore. 303 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:59.839 So tell me what is the gigantic still we need to clutch to it and 304 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:03.799 eyed it today. Secret that is contained in this In your opinion, I 305 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:10.440 think it's the the existence of this enterprise that's behind the scene, that there 306 00:23:10.519 --> 00:23:14.759 is a network behind this. Forget what the program is, because as you 307 00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:19.279 said, the program's outdated at this point. It's the system behind the program. 308 00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:23.599 It's the network behind the program. It's the group that was responsible for 309 00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:30.839 stealing the software, for orchestrating the murders, for wanting to know this anyway. 310 00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:34.519 You're right, the technology, Yeah, we know. I mean Snowden 311 00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:38.559 talked about that ten years ago and even that was outdate when he outdated when 312 00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:41.319 he talked about it back then, Yeah, I found that funny. It 313 00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:44.839 was like, oh, look at the revelations. I'm like, what revelations? 314 00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:47.559 Oh we knew this already, Yeah, of course. Yeah. I 315 00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:49.119 mean a lot of the time you hear about it, you know, that's 316 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:53.200 like the retail version of it. You know, we know that there's something 317 00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:57.559 going on well behind the scenes. I think the reason why this is still 318 00:23:57.759 --> 00:24:03.960 so sensitive is not the software, but it's the people and the group behind 319 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:10.799 it who wanted this. It's you knows who is deeply involved with our software. 320 00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:15.480 Now which nations are behind that now? Israel, China? You know, 321 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:18.440 I mean, what are we protecting? Are we protecting some of these 322 00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:23.039 networks right now that have to do with the newest version let's just call it 323 00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:27.559 the you know, Promise two point zero, right, whatever the equivalent of 324 00:24:27.559 --> 00:24:32.839 that is that's currently being embedded on. I mean, we got a little 325 00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:37.359 look at that with the Vault seven document release from the CIA from twenty thirteen 326 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:41.279 to twenty sixteen to see what they were doing or during that period. But 327 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:44.799 that's a decade ago, and we know that they were listening in on our 328 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:49.880 microphones, on our phones and laptops and smart TVs and all of that stuff. 329 00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:55.279 So we get these we get these little glimpses every now and then of 330 00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:59.960 what the technology is, like how detailed are they in the spying on us? 331 00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:03.000 But the real question is who's they? Right? Like maybe that's the 332 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:07.200 biggest secret of them all, is not not that they can do this, 333 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:11.119 but who's they? Is it just the NSA and the CIA, because if 334 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:14.759 it's just them, that's one thing, But is it the macade? Is 335 00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:18.160 it? Is it I six? You know, like who else is taking 336 00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:22.200 this information? And what does that mean on the world stage when you're when 337 00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:26.920 you're selling back doors into you know, when when America's entire infrastructure is for 338 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:30.839 sale in the dark web, Like what does that mean for us? So 339 00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:36.319 so I think the ramifications of this is it's it's beyond just the software itself, 340 00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:40.920 it's the it's the network behind the software, and what how valuable this 341 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:44.640 is to them? And this is a this is a massive criminal enterprise. 342 00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:48.440 And I think if if we were to understand just how big this is, 343 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:53.680 that would be probably an admission by the intelligence agencies that they might not even 344 00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:56.440 be in control of all of this, that it's even bigger than they are. 345 00:25:56.720 --> 00:25:59.559 Well. See, that's the thing is. I think that once you 346 00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:02.480 get to a certain point, right, and this is my opinion, I 347 00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:06.680 identify this as my opinion. But once you get to a certain point, 348 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:11.039 like pretty much where where people will tell you that borders don't matter and that 349 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:15.960 you know, it's irrelevant as to which alphabet agency somebody's attached to in certain 350 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:19.559 circumstances, I think it's irrelevant as to which part of this you're connected to. 351 00:26:21.079 --> 00:26:25.000 Either you're in or you're not. And if you're in, you're part 352 00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:27.640 of the control group. And here's the fun thing. That means that it 353 00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:32.559 is highly unlikely that I have no idea their names. I have no idea 354 00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:34.799 of where they actually are on the planet at this time. I mean, 355 00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:38.680 they could be sitting in Russia, they could be sitting in the former Yugoslavia, 356 00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:45.160 they could be sitting in India. It doesn't matter, because they are 357 00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:52.400 above and outside of all of those delineations. Okay, so ciamsa Mosad, 358 00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:56.640 you know whatever Castro was calling his group, It doesn't matter. These people 359 00:26:56.720 --> 00:27:03.920 are outside of all of that. Not only are their funding streams, you 360 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:08.240 know, irrelevant to nation states and denominations and banking systems, like they have 361 00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:15.960 their own system anyway, and yet they reach out from that other system and 362 00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:21.359 have tremendous influence in, you know, all of the affairs of the things 363 00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:25.319 that we think have something to do with us. You know, that's the 364 00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:27.559 point at which you know, when you have somebody that you can't identify, 365 00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:30.920 you didn't elect, you don't even know their names, and they're the people 366 00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:34.400 that are really in charge of a whole lot of stuff. And Clinton wasn't 367 00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:37.440 the first president to say that. I mean even Kennedy had said at certain 368 00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:41.279 points, look, I'm in control of a certain part of this, but 369 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:45.000 not all of it, you know, because I've had to go over his 370 00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:51.079 tapes a lot. He said that to other foreign leaders during you know, 371 00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:53.480 moments he must elapsed his judgment for a moment. I mean, doctor feel 372 00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:56.880 Good had an effect on him here and there, you know, little lapse 373 00:27:56.920 --> 00:28:00.440 in judgment. He says. Look, I'm not in control of it everything. 374 00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:07.200 And that is probably the biggest thing that they don't want anybody to verify, 375 00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:10.359 is that all of this stuff that we're you know, supposed to be 376 00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:14.079 divided over looking to go at each other's throats on, you know, ruining 377 00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:17.279 our relationships with our family and everybody else in the world, and drawing all 378 00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:19.759 these dividing lines between us, you know, because oh, I'm for Trump, 379 00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:23.160 I'm against Trump. I'm a Democrat, I'm a Republican, I'm a 380 00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:29.359 I'm an anarchist, I'm all of that stuff that we're doing. These people 381 00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:33.839 laugh at because it's got nothing to do with the actual power structure, you 382 00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:38.440 know. And that's the thing that is I think most difficult for anybody to 383 00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:41.160 wrap their head around. What are your thoughts on that? Well, it 384 00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:45.599 feels helpless too, because you when you start to understand the scope of this 385 00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:49.000 thing, you you you think it's I mean, it's hidden by the fact 386 00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:52.680 that it's so massive. You can't believe that there's a conspiracy, this this 387 00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:57.559 large, and yet here here we are. FDR talked about it. You 388 00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:00.720 mentioned a lot of people have taught about this. In fact, the octopus 389 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:07.279 symbology. There's a great quote that I put in my Octopus book. It's 390 00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:11.799 like a three paragraph quote, and it's by this guy named John Francis Highland, 391 00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:17.799 and he's talking about this octopus with its sprawling tentacles through the every bit 392 00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:22.359 of the court system and the media and big business in the banking and he 393 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:26.519 says, let me escape from mere generalizations. I'm speaking about the Rockefeller standard 394 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:30.240 oil interest, and goes on and on and on. You get to the 395 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:36.400 bottom of this quote and it's John Francis Highland, Mayor of New York City, 396 00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:40.880 nineteen twenty two. Oh my god. It's one hundred years ago and 397 00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:45.680 we're still talking about the same thing. So it's been around for a while, 398 00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:51.319 you know. It's it's it's it's this, you know. And I 399 00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:56.039 don't think it's a monolithic thing either. It's it's multiple groups fighting for control, 400 00:29:56.119 --> 00:30:00.240 but they've all recognized one thing. I mean, if you can take 401 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:03.160 control of the government to the extent that you can make it work for you, 402 00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:06.319 oh boy, it works a whole lot better. Then you can just 403 00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:08.400 have the government do your dirty work for you. If you're the Rockefellers, 404 00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:11.680 you can have you say, oh, well, we want to take control 405 00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:15.359 of this industry or the medical schools, let's just have the government make it 406 00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:19.319 so that we're the ones in charge of it. So you figure this out, 407 00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:22.359 and some people are better at it than others. But these groups have 408 00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:27.440 been operating for a long long time. It's just that when you're not expecting 409 00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:33.079 it, when you're looking for the traditional government and you think that they're the 410 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:36.559 ones, and you know the people that you vote, you recognize the names 411 00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:38.839 because you may be voted for them or something, and you think they're in 412 00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:45.960 charge. What you find if you wind up on the wrong topics is that 413 00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:51.720 the real dangerous people are the ones that you've never heard of, the ones 414 00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:53.759 that are behind the scene, the ones that actually have a vested interest in 415 00:30:53.799 --> 00:31:02.039 things remaining fairly predictable and controllable for them so that they don't have to mess 416 00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:04.759 around with their game too much. You start stepping on their toes, you 417 00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:11.720 start writing articles about software systems that they've developed or that they have access to 418 00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:18.359 that give them a competitive advantage, you know, I mean, and it 419 00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:23.119 gets real in a hurry. So that's kind of that's kind of what I 420 00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:27.160 think a lot of people need to understand. This isn't anything new. It's 421 00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:32.680 been around for, you know, just in the in the American version of 422 00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:37.599 the octopus in that format, at least a century, if not more so, 423 00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:41.039 guaranteed, right, I mean, for more than half of our existence, 424 00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:44.960 I would say fairly. And again, remember that this country's only been 425 00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:47.599 here since seventeen seventy six, right, So what are we looking at. 426 00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:51.000 We're looking at a two hundred and fifty year time span, and I'm telling 427 00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:52.519 you one hundred and twenty five years of it. I'm sure this existed. 428 00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:59.680 What is fascinating to me is how apt the octopus actually is regarding this, 429 00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:06.200 this interlocking net of things. Because okay, and I just went to Google 430 00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:08.519 to see if I could get something concise. Okay, Sorry, I do 431 00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:12.720 use Google on occasion. I use other stuff too when I actually want to 432 00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:16.680 conduct real searches, but Google's a good tool for something like this, and 433 00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:21.599 I'm gonna read this. Octopuses have an extensive nervous system, okay, with 434 00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:25.839 over five hundred million neurons. Now I paused at the comma there, because 435 00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:30.279 all I did is put in octopus neurology into a search engine. All right, 436 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:34.319 And here we go back to the quote similar in number to that of 437 00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:39.119 a dog, but unlike dogs and other vertebrates. Okay, where the majority 438 00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:44.680 of neurons are in the brain, over two thirds of the octopus's neurons are 439 00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:51.519 located within their arms and body. Why is that such an apt description for 440 00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:53.519 what it is we're talking about here, Charlie, could you help me out? 441 00:32:53.759 --> 00:33:00.119 Well, I'll tell you what it's. The octopus symbology is perfect of 442 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:02.519 these people because if you think about it, first of all, they're very 443 00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:07.599 alien in the way they look and behave, and I think that that's pretty 444 00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:13.519 obvious when you deal with them. They're also masters of disguise. They can 445 00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:17.759 change their colors, as we know, they can change their texture, they 446 00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:23.599 can change the way the patterns. They can spray ink to distract you and 447 00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:29.680 get away out the back door because they're extremely fast, or they can grab 448 00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:32.640 you with those eight tentacles, pull you in and tear you apart with a 449 00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:38.599 hidden beak that you don't see that's underneath them until it's too late. So 450 00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:43.440 they've got they've got a great memory. They say that if they've been into 451 00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:46.880 in a cave within the last three years, they can find their ways back 452 00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:51.799 back through the maze of the cave and out. So they've done tests with 453 00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:54.799 them. So they're very smart. If anyone's ever watched those videos of a 454 00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:59.039 octopus in a tank learning, you know, trying to figure out how to 455 00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:00.839 escape and get out out of it, I mean, they're very clever. 456 00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:07.119 So it's a it's an animal that has perfect sort of relationship to to these 457 00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:15.400 people. Devious, smart, deceptive, interesting, uh, alien and and 458 00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:17.800 all of these things. And yet it you know, it's it's so it's 459 00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:22.599 kind of a perfect encapsulation of of of what these people are. I mean, 460 00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:29.719 they really should be studied in a museum because they're they're dangerous sociopaths, 461 00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:34.880 of course, but they're fascinating to watch because it's like a a case study 462 00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:40.880 in arrogance and sociopathy and and and this desire to to to want to be 463 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.639 in charge, and you know, and and and you know there's a. 464 00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:49.000 There's a theme that runs through a lot of these these groups, uh, 465 00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:53.800 sort of two themes themes that are intertwined. One is world government that they're 466 00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:59.199 in charge of, and the second component of that is depopulation for the world 467 00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:02.360 government that they're in charge of. So there's this arrogance where they feel like 468 00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:07.559 they're the ones that have to be in charge. And typically they're intelligent. 469 00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:09.800 They're they're a lot smarter than the average bear too, so it makes them 470 00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:15.199 extremely dangerous people to deal with. And and and you know, in much 471 00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:19.280 like an octopus, you walk by them and you don't even know they're there 472 00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:22.519 until until they want you to know that they're there, and then it's a 473 00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:29.159 different story. So yeah, man, it's a it's a real you know, 474 00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:32.239 it's a it's a it's a real perfect animal to use to describe it. 475 00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:37.280 I put on the on the cover of my Octopus book is a cartoon 476 00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:44.480 of of an octopus covering the planet Earth, and I stole it, I 477 00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:47.559 borrowed it. I changed the coloring on it, but it actually is the 478 00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:54.159 logo from the National Reconnaissance Office in r O L DASH thirty nine, which 479 00:35:54.199 --> 00:36:00.000 is a spy satellite that was launched by the n ro O, and it's 480 00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:02.599 on there. It had had a picture of this octopus that was covering the 481 00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:08.079 world and it said nothing is beyond our reach. That was the logo. 482 00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:13.639 So I stole that and used that octopus as my octopus for the book cover. 483 00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:17.079 But it came from the American government and it shows how they think of 484 00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:23.360 the octopus as well. So it's not limited to us tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy 485 00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:28.800 theorists. I mean, the governments themselves know about it, and they lean 486 00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:30.599 into it when they can well see. And the reason why it is so 487 00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:36.039 alien to you know, most people, quite frankly, is again, think 488 00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:40.079 about that description I gave at the beginning, right where Look, people think 489 00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:45.079 of snakes as being tremendous adversarial creatures. Okay, and they think, okay, 490 00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:47.320 you cut the head off a snake and that's the end of it. 491 00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:52.039 Okay, fine, I get it. But you see, you don't destroy 492 00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:54.480 an octopus's brain. Even taking the head off of this thing, you know, 493 00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:58.639 you do damage to it. It's not the zombie apocalypse. Damage the 494 00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:02.360 brain and it stops moving. It's not that simple. And nor is this 495 00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:08.719 organization, nor is this principle by which this governance, okay for lack of 496 00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:15.519 a better word, is run from the underground all the way to the sky. 497 00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:19.880 Indeed, the octopus covering everything is a perfect, perfect imagery. But 498 00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:22.880 here's the thing again, remember the neurology, two thirds of it, not 499 00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:28.719 even in the head, not in the brain. That means that all along, 500 00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:31.400 each one of these reaching out tentacles that goes into something the twists and 501 00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:37.800 turns and is extremely malleable and flexible in order to accommodate any circumstance that emerges. 502 00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:43.800 Here's the fascinating part of it. These things think for themselves too. 503 00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:49.199 This is not the organizational principle that most people are accustomed to. You know, 504 00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:52.960 here's a hierarchy. Here is the head of the organization, the head 505 00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:55.679 of the organization. You think about any organization, right, What do they 506 00:37:55.719 --> 00:37:59.880 tell you about the mob all the time? If you take out the leader, 507 00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:04.320 than the rest of it falls. They say, here's what happens. 508 00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:06.800 You know, they took out the big boss. Why did they go after 509 00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:09.280 him? Because once you take him out, the rest of it falls. 510 00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:13.440 This is the way people think about it. A military, if you get 511 00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:16.559 rid of the commanders, the soldiers won't know what to do. Here's the 512 00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:22.079 problem, though, When you have tentacles that can think for themselves for lack 513 00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:29.320 of a better term here, and do operate in this extremely unpredictable way with 514 00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:34.880 all the defenses you described at their disposal, you're not dealing with a creature 515 00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:38.360 that you can relate to. This is truly you use the word alien, 516 00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:44.320 absolutely, not just because they're weird looking, and not just because you can 517 00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:47.559 spot, you know, something that is clearly not behaving in a typical you 518 00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:52.760 know, jeez, let me think about this in a typical primate with a 519 00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:57.960 slightly reptilian brain, because you need both of those things. This isn't a 520 00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:01.320 monkey with that reptilian order in it, okay, that can do damage. 521 00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:07.320 This is something else that, indeed, I mean, may have been delivered 522 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:12.000 to us from another planet, because it totally disqualifies itself from a whole bunch 523 00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:15.440 of laws among a whole lot of other creatures on this planet that we all 524 00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:20.719 seem to have in common. Yeah, and it's a it's a beautiful it's 525 00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:28.159 a beautiful and interesting creature. It's a perfect symbol for this dangerous group that's 526 00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:32.000 behind a lot of what's happening in the world, and I think that, 527 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:35.960 you know what, look whatever gets you into it, you know, if 528 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:38.840 you're enormy out there and you think that the idea of an octopus sounds kind 529 00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:44.559 of intriguing and exotic, and that makes you watch a little something more about 530 00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:50.920 this stuff than good rather have everybody at the party come learn a little bit 531 00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:54.880 about this. But unfortunately, it's not going to be cute and it's certainly 532 00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:59.280 not going to be a Disney octopus. This gets dark, right, and 533 00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:04.000 it gets it into some really some really terrifying places. Well, before we 534 00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:08.360 run out of time, did you actually watch the entire Netflix y? Okay, 535 00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:13.559 So I'd like to get your quick take on that and also get an 536 00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:16.320 idea from you afterwards about something else. But first I do want to get 537 00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:20.079 your take on it, because you know, the funny part is that I 538 00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:23.639 had two guys on who wanted to talk about this, and it was inspired 539 00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:28.960 by the Netflix release, and I mean Ed wanted to promote his you know, 540 00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:31.760 three Hours of Conversation he has on his Patreon, But outside of that, 541 00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:37.719 they were really inspired by Netflix. Okay, that was what triggered it. 542 00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:42.320 That was the catalyst. So to speak for them, wanting to speak 543 00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:47.280 about this at length, and they ironically had not seen it. Okay, 544 00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:51.679 right, so Ed knows bunch of people that participated in it, but neither 545 00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:53.719 one of them watched it. Now I've watched it, and at the time 546 00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:58.440 I interviewed them, I didn't because I wanted to be on the same page 547 00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:00.880 as them. I found it interesting that this was, you know, all 548 00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:05.960 of a sudden like headline things super popular and all that. And I always 549 00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:09.639 find it positive when more brand new people learn about stuff that I have been 550 00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:15.440 discussing or looking into or you know, pondering for these many years and can't 551 00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:19.119 even cover it all on the show the things I want to ponder. But 552 00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:22.400 nonetheless I find it a positive thing. There's more awareness, et cetera. 553 00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:27.960 We may stand a chance about doing something about you know, even one tentacle. 554 00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:31.960 Why not? But what were your thoughts on this Netflix documentary series? 555 00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:37.119 You know, I'm good bad otherwise, I don't care, however you want 556 00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:39.719 to take it. What's your what's your take? I kind of feel the 557 00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:45.960 way you how you mentioned that. Like, on the one hand, if 558 00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:50.639 if this is your first entry into this information, then welcome to the party. 559 00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:53.000 I'm glad to have you. I'm glad that this is, you know, 560 00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:57.320 got you thinking about what what actually is going on? And if it 561 00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:00.760 if it leads you to if the octave, this story is the first story 562 00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:05.760 that you find, and that's what what what first leads you down the rabbit 563 00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:07.960 hole? Then you know, look whatever, whatever it is, great, 564 00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:12.159 you know for for for me, maybe it was nine to eleven, you 565 00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:15.519 know. For for someone else it might be COVID or JFK or whatever. 566 00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:19.840 So whatever it is, if it's got you thinking about this, then I 567 00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:24.039 suppose that's a good a good thing. I'm curious to get your take on 568 00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:30.360 this because in the beginning, there's a there's a there's a scene where they 569 00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:35.400 just flat out said, uh yeah, I was shown clips of the the 570 00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:39.000 you know, the Kennedy assassination. Part of this is the brutal film that 571 00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:43.280 wasn't shown and it shows the driver turning around and shooting him in the head. 572 00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:46.360 And I was like, I heard that, and I was like, 573 00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:51.280 is this, Like, is this how we're going to start this series off? 574 00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:52.480 Because if this is how we're going to start it off, this is 575 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:55.280 this is I think it's going to be a problem what was your take on 576 00:42:55.400 --> 00:42:59.440 that. Well, we heard you heard that. See again, it's multi 577 00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:01.880 faceted. And when I saw that part of it, it's immediately what I 578 00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:08.480 know is going on there is that somebody is intentionally attempting to undermine the situation. 579 00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:13.679 Let me present to you something that seems completely plausible, that you'll swear 580 00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:16.000 up and down is real, and yet we all know it is not. 581 00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:22.039 And what you do is you implant those ideas so that someone discredits themselves as 582 00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:27.960 a witness, so that someone now has, you know, completely idiotic information. 583 00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:30.159 So look, I come to you and you've never heard of the octopus, 584 00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:31.800 and I say, look, man, this is a big thing. 585 00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:36.920 This reporter was murdered, et cetera, et cetera. And now I throw 586 00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:38.119 at you that part of it, right. You know what else they said 587 00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:43.639 during this thing? You know what, Kennedy was assassinated and the driver turned 588 00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:46.519 around and shot him. And it's really a film that is the old Bill 589 00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:51.559 Cooper thing where you know, quite frankly, I don't object to the fact 590 00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:53.400 that Cooper had a blurry version of the Zuppruter film, and that's what he 591 00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:57.159 was working with at the time, and a lot of people didn't have good 592 00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:00.159 access to something like that easily. I get it. My problem with Bill 593 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:05.639 Cooper was and will remain that he swore up and down he saw documents to 594 00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:08.360 the effect that this is what happened, and he was presented to them by 595 00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:13.719 you know, an admiral in the navy, you know, the Pacific Fleet. 596 00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:16.360 He was like the head of the Pacific Fleet. And making no sense. 597 00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:23.199 He immediately adds nonsense into the equation that undermines everything, Like how is 598 00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:29.639 it that you destroy an argument? Actively destroy an argument anywhere, anytime, 599 00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:36.159 any place, absolutely poorly, horribly defend the position. That is the best 600 00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:38.480 way. You know, if I told you, I mean picked a subject 601 00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:45.960 nine to eleven was an inside job because I saw that those planes were absolutely 602 00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:50.760 cartoons. I don't mean that they were holographic projections, but they were cartoons. 603 00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:52.599 And all that stuff was fake. It was just shown on TV. 604 00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:59.480 Nothing actually happened in New York City that day at all. Right, you're 605 00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:01.840 gonna call him an idiot because no matter what you think of it, and 606 00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:06.480 even if you heard some buzzwords that you like in there, you know damn 607 00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:09.679 well that something happened on the ground in New York City. Okay, I 608 00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:14.679 am now swearing up and down to you, after this tirade of many different 609 00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:20.559 things, that there is a provable lack of evidence where you know that is 610 00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:22.559 not the case, regardless of what you think happened there. You know, 611 00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:27.840 those towers fell in New York. Okay, they fell, how they fell, 612 00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:31.280 why they fell, all kinds of arguments there. But if I told 613 00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:37.559 you nobody died on nine to eleven, and I've heard this stuff come out 614 00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:43.320 of people's mouths, you have just destroyed any credibility you could have had in 615 00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:45.360 all of your lead up. Now, the doubts that they did in the 616 00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:49.960 movie, in the in the documentary series, in my opinion, when they 617 00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:53.760 started off by by injecting the Kennedy part in that, I just kind of 618 00:45:53.880 --> 00:46:00.000 was like, I felt like, but there's too Yeah, there's two levels 619 00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:02.599 to kickstart this. Yes, there's two levels to it, though, Charlie, 620 00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:06.639 there's two levels to it. There is what that woman probably and I 621 00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:08.920 believe that she saw that. Okay, I do believe she saw it. 622 00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:15.239 But the fact that they included it in there is one level of kicking the 623 00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:19.639 argument in it's ass before it even starts to run Okay, that's one thing. 624 00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:22.360 The other thing is I think that this happened to this woman in person 625 00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:28.039 for real, and that was intentionally done to her because she obviously stepped on 626 00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:31.800 something legitimate. See, that's the thing is if you can go ahead and 627 00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:36.679 if somebody, I mean you've heard the stories many times right where somebody says, 628 00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:39.320 oh gee, you know, this sudden freak accident killed this person. 629 00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:44.840 You know, it's just so happens. They were working on something, well, 630 00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:47.039 you know, just so happens. They were about to come out with 631 00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:51.639 a revelation. They had to be stopped, et cetera. This is the 632 00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:55.320 desperate measure that's taken this woman, likely somehow, and by the way, 633 00:46:55.360 --> 00:47:02.000 her explanation of how it is she came across her information really okay, lacks 634 00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:07.119 a lot of plausibility. A lot of the stuff in there lacks plausibility. 635 00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:12.559 Now, was that done intentionally for the viewer? Probably? Did this stuff 636 00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:15.159 happen in real life? Also? Probably true. It's not made up. 637 00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:19.599 A lot of it. Some of it might be, but I mean a 638 00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:22.599 lot of it's not made up. Because this is literally what's done to people. 639 00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:29.760 Let's feed them something ridiculous so that they disqualify themselves as a credible witness. 640 00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:32.320 So that was probably done to that woman. And also I feel like 641 00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:37.119 on one level, it was done to the viewers. Here. Let me 642 00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:43.840 give you something completely stupid, okay, and have an eyewitness swear that it's 643 00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:47.280 absolutely real. So you'll say, I know that a witness said this, 644 00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:52.719 and you do you legitimately will relate that, But you have now kicked out 645 00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:58.599 the legitimacy from under your argument. You have made the ground under you into 646 00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:01.079 a mud slide, not going to be able to stand on it. So 647 00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:07.559 these are these people are fantastic at what they do. We should give them 648 00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:10.599 the credit that they deserve, which is when it comes to poisoning the well 649 00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:16.440 with ideas and learning, you know, and knowing how to discredit people in 650 00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:22.800 a subtle way, there's nobody better. I mean, it's amazing we get 651 00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:27.400 anything right, to be honest with you, because you can take you can 652 00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:34.840 take somebody whose entire career was immaculate and insert one false piece of information and 653 00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:38.320 it tarnishes everything that they've done. And that is a real skill. And 654 00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:44.079 so when you do that long enough, you know, you just have enough 655 00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:47.639 people out there that they you can't bat a thousand, you know what I 656 00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:52.159 mean, Just like you're going to get something wrong when you go up against 657 00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:59.880 the most right, the most impressive intelligence agencies in the world, they're just 658 00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:02.519 gonna get you on some level, make you you trip up or believe something 659 00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:07.039 that's ninety seven percent true. But that three percent difference, O, man, 660 00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:10.199 that makes all the difference in the world. And next thing you know, 661 00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:13.800 you you thought you had it right, and you should have had it 662 00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:16.079 right, and you pretty much had it right, but it wasn't totally right. 663 00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:21.360 And because of that, well, there you go. That's always something 664 00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:23.480 to be worried about, you know. And I think the guys that did 665 00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:29.719 the film, look, I mean, my personal feeling about the film was 666 00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:37.760 that there was was less like story driven in more format driven like I thought 667 00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:42.679 it was. I thought there was a whole lot of talk about how much 668 00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:46.840 research they did, like I did a million hours of research for this, 669 00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:50.719 and I was up all night and I worried about and I studied this for 670 00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:53.800 seven years straight and look at my wall of boxes and look at my wall 671 00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:57.800 boxes and stuff like that. And then there was the part where they dressed 672 00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:02.800 up like where he dressed up kind of as Danny Castillarro and was sort of 673 00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:07.119 reenacting that, and I thought that was weird, But that's more to me, 674 00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:14.039 that's more like a directorial issue, a formatting issue, more so than 675 00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:17.199 the content of it. So I mean, look, I thought it was 676 00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:22.760 like again, like, I want people to be aware of what is out 677 00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:28.760 there. I want people to be aware of the Danny Castilearro story because I 678 00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:32.400 think it's important for people to understand what happens when you get when you get 679 00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:37.599 close to real power that doesn't want to be exposed. You know, bad 680 00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:39.760 things happen, and you need to know that this is the world in which 681 00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:43.840 we live in. They could, you know, like I said, there's 682 00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:47.760 some things I would have done differently if I were them, But you know, 683 00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:51.079 in the JFK thing, to me, it was just it was just 684 00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:55.199 you know, I had to kind of like set that aside after a while 685 00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:58.639 and just say, right, well, I'm not watching it for the JFK. 686 00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:02.280 Yeah, I'm mad that mention. I'm watching it to see how close 687 00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:06.719 they get to it. And you know what I really wanted to see was 688 00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:12.920 I really wanted to see them go hard into the group behind it, and 689 00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:15.280 what they did was. They showed a couple of pictures of George H. 690 00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:20.119 W. Bush, They showed a couple pictures of those guys, but they 691 00:51:20.199 --> 00:51:27.159 didn't do a deep dive into who Ted Shackley was or or you know, 692 00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:32.880 the guys that were really sort of you know, the the guys that are 693 00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:39.360 sort of Frank Carlucci, Don Rumsfeld, you know, these are the guys 694 00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:44.079 I want, I want. I would have liked for them to have gotten 695 00:51:44.079 --> 00:51:46.239 into into who this group was. But of course, you know, I 696 00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:50.960 mean, when you start doing that, then like how about really explaining what 697 00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:53.039 Wackenhut does? How about that? You know, how about that? How 698 00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:58.119 about let's talk about the private prison industry. Let's talk about how disgusting that 699 00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:02.199 is. Right now, it just gets Clinton and and and our dear dear 700 00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:06.360 leader Joe Biden were behind all of that. I mean, can we talk 701 00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:09.039 about there you go see and there it is again where it's like we'll just 702 00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:12.760 have the government do the work for us, and then we'll pick up the 703 00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:15.440 pieces that they drop, you know, which they intentionally drop right in front 704 00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:20.239 of us. We can't help that. You know, that's fascinating. I'll 705 00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:24.159 tell you what's another fascinating thing and food for thought is that Jeff Morley runs 706 00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:28.000 a you know, he runs a website and he does this and he's got 707 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:32.079 a paid substack out there where he put out a podcast just this week, 708 00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:37.599 actually interviewing the filmmakers. Now I wonder about, you know, Jeff. 709 00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:40.960 I love some of the stuff that Jeff Morley has done over the years, 710 00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:45.559 and he has been one of these people that legitimately directly took on the CIA 711 00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:50.960 in certain ways, et cetera. But you know, he does weird things 712 00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:54.960 sometimes. And I don't know if he confronted those guys about the JFK thing 713 00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:59.480 in there, which he would be the obvious guy to do that, or 714 00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:02.039 if he's running with it to run up his substack numbers. I don't know 715 00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:07.159 what he's doing. I'm anxious to hear that. I'm almost thinking I might 716 00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:09.400 pay him for his substack this month, just to get it, because it 717 00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:14.440 is really bizarre. And I'll tell you, if somebody wants to like split 718 00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:15.599 it with me or something, I'll do that with you too. Just send 719 00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:19.559 me a thing, I'll send you a PayPal for it. But I mean, 720 00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:22.559 I don't really want to pay Jeff Morley at this point. Because he's 721 00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:25.400 really becoming disappointing to me, despite the fact that he's the vice president over 722 00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:29.599 there at the Mary Farrell Foundation, okay, or vice chair or whatever they 723 00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:37.840 call. You know. It disturbs me when the convoluted stuff that is now 724 00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:44.280 packaged by certain media companies enters into the fray and becomes a wrecking ball in 725 00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:50.519 legitimate research, in legitimate areas that need to be exposed. And this is 726 00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:53.119 the overall commentary here, Charlie. I'm sorry, but this is answering your 727 00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:58.960 question all the way through. It is disturbing to me. On the one 728 00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:00.760 hand, yes, this is great for enormy who's never heard of it before, 729 00:54:01.039 --> 00:54:07.760 but you can never never accept anybody's presentation on face value. I'm sorry, 730 00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:10.880 and I don't care if you're Charlie Robinson, if you're Chuck o'ceelly, 731 00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:16.639 if you're anybody. You must follow through on these things for yourself and find 732 00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:22.719 people that have legitimately given you some road maps. Not everybody is on your 733 00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:27.039 side here with getting to the real root of these things or the true reality 734 00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:29.960 of them, and we need to keep that in mind at all times. 735 00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:34.519 Not everybody in the al media is an actual alternative. Okay, no matter 736 00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:37.119 what they're doing. Sorry, go ahead, Darla, one hundred percent. 737 00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:40.719 You need to. You see, if you do the research for yourself, 738 00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:45.519 it makes it real. It makes it real to you. Go double check 739 00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:50.880 everybody's work, you know what I mean. I reserve the right to change 740 00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:54.559 my mind on information that I put out if I come across information that's better 741 00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:59.480 than the information I had the first time around. I want to always remain 742 00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:01.800 FLEXI you know, I want to make sure if I've made a mistake, 743 00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:06.159 I want to correct it. You know. So I encourage people go out 744 00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:12.599 there and check everybody's work, and in doing so, you discover more information. 745 00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:15.599 And when you discover that information for yourself, it becomes yours, you 746 00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:21.079 know, it becomes it becomes it gets in you in a way that that 747 00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:23.400 that is cumulative, and it builds upon it, and you go out and 748 00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:30.519 you find more information and more information and and and so it's it's really important 749 00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:35.679 to uh do what Ronald Reagan said, right, trust but verify right here, 750 00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:38.239 hear what the people are saying, or or or watch a watch a 751 00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:44.199 documentary series about about something like that, and and and hear it for what 752 00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:46.760 it is. And then maybe go check it out, go double check, 753 00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:51.280 go see what you think, Go see if what they said adds up. 754 00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:54.039 Because if it does, great, it just solidifies it for you. And 755 00:55:54.079 --> 00:55:58.559 if it doesn't, well, then find out why it doesn't. And maybe 756 00:55:58.599 --> 00:56:01.440 the reason why it doesn't is because you're on something that they weren't even onto, 757 00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:07.760 you know. So, so I want participation. I want people to 758 00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:12.039 feel that they have a role in this information as well, you know, 759 00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:19.039 I mean it, you don't need fiction. This true life stuff is better 760 00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:22.880 than any fiction out there. So I mean, you can't make this sort 761 00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:25.920 of stuff up. Man, that there's a that there's a criminal enterprise that's 762 00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:31.239 this big, that's so deeply involved in that. Like what would you do 763 00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:35.719 if you could commit any crime in the world and know that you would never 764 00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:38.119 be punished for it because you were in charge of doling out the justice. 765 00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:43.079 That's how these guys operated, right, So they they've taken it to an 766 00:56:43.119 --> 00:56:49.440 extreme and and it's it makes for some really fascinating topics. I mean, 767 00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:52.320 on the one hand, I'm glad that these guys did the show, you 768 00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:54.760 know. I mean, like I said, I have some I have some 769 00:56:54.840 --> 00:57:01.119 critiques about the style of it, but that's a that's a superficial style, 770 00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:09.519 is exactly. That's just me being shitty and nitpicky about it. But but 771 00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:17.719 in terms of like, well, you did you know, you took it, 772 00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:21.800 You took this idea, you we you covered a little bit about it, 773 00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:24.440 you got people thinking about it at the very least now for a lot 774 00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:28.480 of people, now it's on their radar. And once it's on their radar, 775 00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:31.760 uh, then maybe they'll they'll decide to dig a little bit deeper. 776 00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:37.840 I encourage everyone to do that. But you know, so they're so good 777 00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:40.480 people are talking about it. I can't believe it. But it also doesn't 778 00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:45.320 it also kind of feel a little bit like like I get instantly suspicious when 779 00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:50.320 something like this is trending because they start thinking, why is this trending? 780 00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:52.840 I mean, I know why why I'm interested in it, and I think 781 00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:57.760 everyone should be interested in it. But why are they allowing everyone to be 782 00:57:57.840 --> 00:58:01.199 interested? Yeah? Exactly, I mean I mean outside of the Yeah, 783 00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:06.079 outside of the anniversary issue, which you know always comes up for other things 784 00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:09.159 as well. I mean, as I've stated several times here, my experience 785 00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:15.119 in the JFK community has given me an insight into this you know, anniversaries 786 00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:16.800 come and go, and yes, indeed that causes some of this stuff to 787 00:58:16.840 --> 00:58:21.760 trend and get people thinking once again, and people try to capitalize on it, 788 00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:25.159 etc. But I suggest that you guys listening to both of us, 789 00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:30.719 have this conversation sort of a private conversation, but in public here about this 790 00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:35.679 and picking each other's brains over what it is we're witnessing. I would advise 791 00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:40.400 you to go to macroaggressions dot io. Follow up. Okay, you go 792 00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:45.960 to his page there and you see uncovering the century's long plan for world domination? 793 00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:50.599 Is this big old phrase right at the top? Okay? Anyway, 794 00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:53.400 why is that? That's Charlie Robinson's page and there's a lot of things that 795 00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:58.639 he's tied to. You can also find him on the Twitter x platform at 796 00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:02.920 macro aggressive three okay, or you can just find him on my friends. 797 00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:07.719 It almost got I almost was able to get macro aggression, but which is 798 00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:09.519 it just kind of petered out at the end. I got the They didn't 799 00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:13.480 give me the end. They just gave me a three. Yeah, So 800 00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:17.440 just type in macro aggressions you'll get close enough exactly. Anyway, that's two 801 00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:21.920 ways to find Charlie, but also uh, you know, contributing. I 802 00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:24.480 think you're one of the founding guys for the Union of the Unwanted. Yeah, 803 00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:27.559 yeah, yeah, we had a we did a show last night. 804 00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:30.280 We had Adam Curry on, which was fun from no agenda, so he 805 00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:37.199 stopped by it. Yeah there's another classic podfather. Yeah, another another classic 806 00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:39.960 podcaster out there. I was surprised to see you guys grab Adam Curry, 807 00:59:39.960 --> 00:59:44.079 but that was that was pretty cool. But where else can they find you? 808 00:59:44.119 --> 00:59:45.880 I mean, Union of the Unwanted, macro aggressions. I think both 809 00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:50.840 of them are on just about every Podcascher that is, except you might be 810 00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:53.199 banned from YouTube as well, but quietly I have a YouTube channel again by 811 00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:57.800 the way, Yeah, YouTube doesn't really like me. But Amazon is okay, 812 00:59:57.840 --> 01:00:00.480 they'll they've got my books there. If you just type in my name 813 01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:02.679 on Amazon you'll find my books. So that's still a good place. Or 814 01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:07.360 Barnesandnoble dot com they've got them as well. So right right, and thanks 815 01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:09.800 for having me back on Chuck. It all was good to talk. Listen. 816 01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:15.559 You're always welcome, and this topic, unfortunately has so much more that 817 01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:21.199 we could cover along with a great many other things that are steeped in darkness 818 01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:24.280 that you know need to be brought out into the light. But anyway, 819 01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:30.280 macro aggressions. Charlie Robinson my guest tonight, and I appreciate you for taking 820 01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:34.519 the time to do this with me. 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