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Yeah, Now and Now and omdia Lly. Twenty sixth day of March twenty
twenty four, allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar, and it's
only a couple of days past a full moon here and going straight on in,
we're in the shadow phase, just before mercury retrograde. In case you
needed your orientation from me, and if you do, I'm terribly sorry for
you. Anyway, Here it is Tearesday, Tuesday, and I am starting
off this week with another part. Maybe be four parts, maybe be five.
Let's see how many tentacles we go. Oops that I say tentacles.
Yeah, the octopus once again this time though instead of going for the chaos
event Opperman, who knows everybody and seems to be informed about many of the
dirty under people's fingernails at all times, which is messed up because I always
told him that, if indeed I was ever faced with divorce again in my
lifetime, I would really really hate it if my soon to be ex wife
would hire him as an investigator against me, not just because I know him,
but because no matter what he seems to find dirt wherever he goes.
Maybe that's commentary on ED, but anyway, Opperman was on talking about the
octopus. Then I had Albert Lanier talking about the octopus, and I decided
we needed yet another point of view. And you know, you can't examine
eight tentacles with two people, not at all, and this guy can cover
a bunch of them. Charlie Robinson macro aggressions. Okay, that's the podcast
he was on a radio station, but we're not gonna mention that because that's
all done. And you know what else, he's also part of Union of
the Unwanted. He's an author. What can I say, man, Charlie
Robinson. Very cool to have you on, and thank you for Joe pointing
me to go again once again onto the breach that is the octopus. First
off, though, how you doing tonight? Man? Well, I'm doing
great. It's good to be back. Thanks for having me. You know,
I wrote a book called The Octopus of Global Control when I was forty
four years old as well, and believe me, I was thinking, I
don't want to end up packed into some bathtub in a hotel in West Virginia
somewhere, because I was aware of what Danny had written about. And even
though his octopus and my octopus were kind of a little bit different, you
know, there's still quite a bit of overlap in this ven diagram of evil,
and there's plenty to go around. And unfortunately, in his particular case,
he was asking questions to people. And in my case, nobody knew
who I was, and I wasn't doing too much chit chatting. In fact,
I kept it completely under wraps that I was writing the book at all,
so nobody knew what I was working on. But unfortunately for Danny,
it wound up getting him killed. And but that's what happens when you when
you trip over their little toy that they had hidden. It was extremely helpful
for them. Well, yeah, here's the problem, right, is that
Danny trips over this toy, as you called it. You know, in
the nineteen nineties, and indeed, there was no Internet to speak of,
at least for the civilian population at the time. The military had something called
the arpinet still, but we did not have the Internet yet. You don't
have the ability to share information as quickly as possible as you do now,
even though that information is quite often distorted misdirected, et cetera. But indeed
you are talking about a different octopus because technology has changed. And Danny Castilero
interesting point, how old was he when he died? Four? Oh?
Okay, you know, cause you mentioned you're forty four when you wrote anyway
saying that you you were doing something that could get you killed or not.
I'm just saying that clearly you're dealing with two different time periods generationally here,
right, Oh yeah, yes, And that plays a huge part in this
too, because you know where you have this sort of the safety and security
of being able to research on the internet. You know, you can you
can hide at home, you can hide behind VPNs, you don't have to
really get yourself out there. But if you're Danny Castellaro in nineteen ninety one
or nineteen ninety asking around write and compile and information talking to people, you
do that enough and people start to take notice of it. And had he
been writing this book a decade later, he might not have wound up in
the same predicament. But but that's that's sort of the nature of the beast
back then. And and of course he stumbled onto a like a real hornet's
nest I mean, he thinks he's writing, he thinks he's working in you
know, a right about software, writing about tech issues and things like that,
and comes across this, uh, this software system, and frankly,
I don't think that he quite knew what he had until well, until he
did. And then at that point, you know that then all your paranoia
starts to become real and you start to ask around and think, oh shit,
you know, what have I done? Well? If I know about
this and they know that I know about this, now I'm a target.
Well and here's the problem, right, is that this is true in any
era. Uh, you kick over a hornet's nest of any kind. Here's
the thing, there's a lot more buzzing than there is stinging. And a
guy like Michael Ricona shudo And we're gonna have to rewind and kind of give
a synopsis to the uninitiated here, just real fast. But you know,
when you start with Inslow, all right, and this software program that again
is you know, going all the way back to the Reagan administration apparently all
right, and I'm in the early part of the Reagan administration they were building
software at a time when again I stated, there's no internet to speak of
for the public. There is a connection here to Watergate people, in fact,
one of the attorneys that gets involved. And so there's a historical point
at which this begins, and there's the work that Castelaro, Danny Castillaro,
is doing. And by the way, you know, do you slash your
risk thirteen times? I mean, you know, I think it was thirteen
altogether. Yeah, okay, you know, do you do that trying to
kill yourself? And why would you kill yourself? Did you get involved with
the crazy guy? Well, Ricono Shudo. I mean, just look at
the guy. He's clearly not all together. And on top of it,
the software guy might be a little eccentric, the guy that he begins with,
right, So, I mean, you have this basis for a story
that is salacious, that's filled with crazy details. And then you have an
NSA guy turning up dead, by the way, who probably under most circumstances
would not turn up dead without somebody looking into it pretty deeply. You have
the interesting, you know, craziness of the suicide air quotes I'm holding up
at home because we're not doing video tonight, But I mean, the suicide
of Danny Castileiro? Where did you? I know a lot of people have
suddenly become aware and have also become reinvigorated with their interest. I had a
couple of people write to me and say, you know, because Netflix turned
around and did this, I was going to do something for the anniversary,
and I decided never mind, because you know what these people have now kind
of hijacked it. Where do you come into this story? Does the Danny
Castillo thing? And I don't know, maybe it was on Unsolved Mysteries first,
you know, as as Albert Lanier pointed out, you know, when
do you become aware of Danny Castileiro? How do you come into that?
And where do we go from there? Tell us that that little story is,
you know, in a concise way as you can. Yeah, I
come into it from sort of the backway around, more of an understanding of
the group that was responsible for his death, and then working forward from there.
He called it the octopus. Other people called it the enterprise. This
is the private CIA that was built by George H. W. Bush and
some of his cronies that got booted out of the CIA. They formed this
sort of shadow government, you know, a form of a deep state,
and between them, they had thousands of people working for them and in multiple
corporations that were running They were involved in the Savings and Loan scandal, they
were involved in Iran contra, they were running drugs, they were building the
private prisons, They were deeply involved in all kinds of things. So this
was a group that was exceptionally dangerous and yet surprise well hidden, almost kind
of hidden in plain sight because most of the people had day jobs in which
you wouldn't really think that they would be running criminal enterprises. I mean,
George H. W. Bush was the Vice President of the United States while
this was going on, right, and then later became the President of the
United States when Castellarro was murdered. Well, let me pause you for a
second. Let me just pause you for a second, because here's the problem
with a lot of people that don't necessarily understand the underworld at all, and
or at all either because there is a nexus in which, you know,
people like Mitch Rebell come into play that many private contractors of all sorts of
stripes. You know from your oh god, what was the name of that
guy who was big with the tape recording equipment? You know, there are
sort of private actors out there that are not necessarily part of any proper organization,
right, that are sort of crawling around somewhere between the criminal world,
or maybe in the criminal world, sometimes dealing with the intelligence community because they're
useful in one way or another. It could be regarding drugs, it could
be regarding surveillance, it could be just simply because of their knowledge of the
underworld. Gordon Novell is another character of that ILK, right, a guy
who was never part of the CIA, and never I think at some point
might have had a job with the FBI briefly, but never actually part of
anything government wise. For his day job, he was a freelancer. And
there are tons of these guys out there. The reservations that come into play
here. This is not a singularity and is what I'm saying, There is
an interlocking web, almost like a dark web of sorts. See. I
brought that up with Lanier, where I said it is very much like the
dark web in that it is part of the infrastructure, and it is underneath
the structure that most of the pixies all the time on the Internet. Indeed,
if you know how to navigate though below the surface, you can find
many a dark spaces where things go on, where indeed there might be organized
crime figures, not just one ethnicity, not just Italians, by the way,
but all sorts of ethnic gangs. People have brought up everything from the
Sicilians to the uh I think Lithuanian. At one point, somebody brought up,
you know, the Russians. But this nexus actually allows all of that
to be in an ecosphere of sorts, again mostly invisible to the majority of
the public. Much like the Internet, we see the pages that are published,
we don't necessarily see all of those coded number places you can go to
unless you have some tool to navigate them. Okay, exactly, that's exactly.
That's a good point too, because in order to understand, if you
think of this as like a ven diagram of evil, there's a lot of
overlapping. You know, you you can be in the official American government,
the forward facing government, as the vice President of the United States, and
also be running a crime syndicate because government organized crime. What's the difference,
really, you know, I mean, they're all sort of the same things.
So there's nothing that precludes you from being a part of multiple groups too.
And that's part of that's that's one of the things that people get a
little confused about. They assume that you're either one or the other. Maybe
maybe you're you're part of the United Nations group, or you're part of the
World Economic Forum groups, or you could be both, right, And there's
nothing that says that you can't be a member of both of these groups.
And when by the way, yeah, as you said, you can go
sort of underground a little bit, and you'll find that these criminal networks are
in some ways decentralized, right, and that it isn't necessarily everybody is wearing
the same uniform playing for the same team. There's a whole lot of individual
players there as well. So, and the CIA is always been very knowledgeable
about using these people. They call them cutouts, you know, it's just
disposable boogeyman that they can bring in, do a job and then get rid
of them, get rid of them meaning not use them again, get rid
of them meaning throw them out of a helicopter or whatever. I mean,
there's there's ways in which you can do this. But so so, I
think that people need to recalibrate their brain when they're when they're thinking about the
way in which organized crime and the government work. It's not either or it's
both. You can be both and and in fact, there is no better
example of organized crime than government and in general, and the American government in
particular is an example. And in fact, it makes the mafia pale in
comparison when you take a look at the amount of organization inside the United States
criminal enterprise. And here's the unconsidered part of it, okay, and that
is that sometimes you're none of the above. In fact, you could just
simply be a useful guy. Okay. Why do I bring this up because
Racana Shudo is a central figure in the Netflix series. He's also a central
figure in the original Octopus situation with Danny, and he is a fascinating figure
to people who are like, wow, this is really unique. Actually,
he's not unique at all. There are lots of extremely eccentric people who are
brilliant, like with chemistry or you know, and we know about this,
you know, from the whole LSD thing. I mean, you know,
go check with our you know, war on people with the drugs thing with
several authors out there who tell you about LSD and how that whole you know,
circumstance and the counterculture function. There are many people that could point this
out to you and give you the roadmap for it. Where somebody might just
be a brilliant gunsmith again I bring up Mitch Rebelle, right, but there
could be somebody who's just good with explosives, somebody who's good at manufacturing drug
and that is not only a useful, well you know, skill, but
it is something that allows you to have leverage over an individual. So now
you're a government person or you're a crime syndicate person, you can grab a
hold of somebody who's just really good at cooking up some sort of design or
drug, which, by the way, meth amphetamine was kind of designer if
you were to do it right, if you could do it in large quantities.
I mean, you know, I don't want to go to breaking bad
here because that's what people are associated to. But the reality is, if
you had a really good skill there, you could be useful to the government,
you could be useful to the crime people. You could be useful in
all sorts of ways. But if you've got a little bit of dirt on
you, you've got some jail time hanging over your head, you've got some
debt hanging over your head. With a criminal syndicate, you now become extremely
useful and maneuverable as an asset. So there are also several assets who are
not necessarily assigned to anybody's team, but just having to be floating around out
there. And Ricconnaschuto is a great example of this, where sure he's talking
out of two sides of his mouth, he's saying crazy things, some of
them are true, and believe it or not, I think anyway that quite
often assets like this are intentionally deployed, okay, in order to do what
to confuse, to muddy up the water, to make sure that clarity is
an impossibility. So continue on with this story though, from where you came
in and how you came in through the back door, and what it is
that you learned about this first, because again this goes to the sovereignty of
the Indian nations, right, I know, Native American, but you know
what I'm talking about. You know, everything from hey, we could sell
tax free cigarettes to nobody is allowed to have oversight over here government wise.
We can make weapons, we can traffic people, we can do whatever we
want out on sovereign land among the reservations. Sure, useful place, but
not the only place. And again and again and again, this stuff goes
on and on. And now I'm starting to sound like one of these guys,
right, I know me, but but that's but this is who what
you'd do. You'd go grab a bunch of raconnocudos, right, you know,
you'd grab them and insert them into situations to make everything a little bit
more complicated or split people up into thinking one thing. Yeah, that's the
guy that when you watch that series, he's you know, you almost know
instinctively not to trust this guy, you know, like you just would.
You don't need the voiceover narration to tell you that this guy is trouble.
You just sort of you just sort of know. And and you you come
across a lot of these guys. You come across a lot of guys.
I mean, Danny was Danny was murdered by the Enterprise, but he's one
of four hundred people that was you know what I mean, I mean,
this wasn't and and reporters, journalists, you know, you name it.
If you came if you came into a situation where you were going to suppose
these guys, they would just have you killed. You can see their handiwork
in. I mean, listen, you're dealing with some of the most dangerous
people in the world. And if you want me to escape from mere generalizations,
I'm talking about guys like Oliver North Okay, he was a big time
Bush lieutenant in the enterprise and Oklahoma City has his fingerprints on it. The
Danny Cassillarro stuff has his fingerprints on it. Obviously, Iran Contra, they
were deeply involved in that, running guns down there. So you've got a
criminal network that I think Daniel innowa Senator Daniel Inoway described best. He was
saying that there is a government outside of this government that has its own funding
mechanisms, and its own air force and its own military. And you from
time to time you hear people like Bill Clinton on a on a hot mic
saying, well, there's a government beyond the government, and I don't control
that one, you know, and so you start to go, well,
what is he talking about? You know what, what are these guys talking
about? These guys are they're not just talking and they know they're in a
position where they would know what are they talking about? And they're talking about
this group that sits behind and off to the side of the existing government,
and it looks like the government, and it acts like the government, and
it's made up of a lot of guys that came out of the government.
But it's like the shadiest version. It's a it's a crime syndicate. R
it's it's a it's a criminal enterprise. That's why they called it the enterprise.
And that is and part of what you would you would want to do
is you would want to control well, you'd want to think like a like,
oh, I don't know somebody that ram c I A for a decade,
like George H. W. Bush. You'd think like a paranoid person.
You'd want to know everything. You'd want to know what was going on
before it went on. So when you come across software like what Inslaw was
doing, the software that goes into the the entire court system of the United
States, the Justice Department of the United States. That is, if we're
in an information war, that is extremely valuable information to know who's whose where,
to understand what's going on, and to know who's talking, who's cooperating,
who's who's a witness, who's not. You know, this is something
that I think would be extremely valuable to to anybody that had access to it.
And so if you're if you're a nosy reporter and you trip over this
stuff, you're not you don't even I don't even know that that Cassillara knew
what he was looking for until he was until it was too late. But
this is the type of thing that is worth uh in their mind. This
is a calculation that they make. This is a couple more dead bodies,
But hey, well listen, if you've killed three hundred, what's another four
or five or six or whatever. So we wind up in a spot where
where we're starting to see the most dangerous people in the world present themselves and
a guy like Danny Castillo probably didn't even know what was happening until it was
too late. So let me ask the hard question then, because obviously we're
talking about the birth of the surveillance state before the tools were supposed to exist,
right, is the most interesting part of this. I love this.
It's like, you know, all that surveillance that we all know about today,
it almost seems like it's so outdated, so outmoded, that one would
wonder why it all hasn't now come to the surface because it would be completely
outdated information. It's not even actionable any of it any longer. The people
are all dead, everybody's all gone. What is the big secret at this
point? You think guarding this now that you know, look obviously again,
nobody's using the promise software okay to get at you know, your information nowadays?
I mean, Facebook does it better? You know, I'm just saying
it now. You have so many other things going on and the idea that
there is a war going on in information, war in truth. Not just
tracking people and picking up their data so you can figure out what stuff to
show them on Amazon, but I mean literally being able to track every single
thing somebody's doing and to put you know, identification tags on every action they
take, et cetera, et cetera. This is not outside of our imagination
anymore. It almost seems like this would be no big deal now, you
know, like declassifying that we have nuclear bombs. Well, at one time
that was a big secret, right, not so big a secret anymore.
So tell me what is the gigantic still we need to clutch to it and
eyed it today. Secret that is contained in this In your opinion, I
think it's the the existence of this enterprise that's behind the scene, that there
is a network behind this. Forget what the program is, because as you
said, the program's outdated at this point. It's the system behind the program.
It's the network behind the program. It's the group that was responsible for
stealing the software, for orchestrating the murders, for wanting to know this anyway.
You're right, the technology, Yeah, we know. I mean Snowden
talked about that ten years ago and even that was outdate when he outdated when
he talked about it back then, Yeah, I found that funny. It
was like, oh, look at the revelations. I'm like, what revelations?
Oh we knew this already, Yeah, of course. Yeah. I
mean a lot of the time you hear about it, you know, that's
like the retail version of it. You know, we know that there's something
going on well behind the scenes. I think the reason why this is still
so sensitive is not the software, but it's the people and the group behind
it who wanted this. It's you knows who is deeply involved with our software.
Now which nations are behind that now? Israel, China? You know,
I mean, what are we protecting? Are we protecting some of these
networks right now that have to do with the newest version let's just call it
the you know, Promise two point zero, right, whatever the equivalent of
that is that's currently being embedded on. I mean, we got a little
look at that with the Vault seven document release from the CIA from twenty thirteen
to twenty sixteen to see what they were doing or during that period. But
that's a decade ago, and we know that they were listening in on our
microphones, on our phones and laptops and smart TVs and all of that stuff.
So we get these we get these little glimpses every now and then of
what the technology is, like how detailed are they in the spying on us?
But the real question is who's they? Right? Like maybe that's the
biggest secret of them all, is not not that they can do this,
but who's they? Is it just the NSA and the CIA, because if
it's just them, that's one thing, But is it the macade? Is
it? Is it I six? You know, like who else is taking
this information? And what does that mean on the world stage when you're when
you're selling back doors into you know, when when America's entire infrastructure is for
sale in the dark web, Like what does that mean for us? So
so I think the ramifications of this is it's it's beyond just the software itself,
it's the it's the network behind the software, and what how valuable this
is to them? And this is a this is a massive criminal enterprise.
And I think if if we were to understand just how big this is,
that would be probably an admission by the intelligence agencies that they might not even
be in control of all of this, that it's even bigger than they are.
Well. See, that's the thing is. I think that once you
get to a certain point, right, and this is my opinion, I
identify this as my opinion. But once you get to a certain point,
like pretty much where where people will tell you that borders don't matter and that
you know, it's irrelevant as to which alphabet agency somebody's attached to in certain
circumstances, I think it's irrelevant as to which part of this you're connected to.
Either you're in or you're not. And if you're in, you're part
of the control group. And here's the fun thing. That means that it
is highly unlikely that I have no idea their names. I have no idea
of where they actually are on the planet at this time. I mean,
they could be sitting in Russia, they could be sitting in the former Yugoslavia,
they could be sitting in India. It doesn't matter, because they are
above and outside of all of those delineations. Okay, so ciamsa Mosad,
you know whatever Castro was calling his group, It doesn't matter. These people
are outside of all of that. Not only are their funding streams, you
know, irrelevant to nation states and denominations and banking systems, like they have
their own system anyway, and yet they reach out from that other system and
have tremendous influence in, you know, all of the affairs of the things
that we think have something to do with us. You know, that's the
point at which you know, when you have somebody that you can't identify,
you didn't elect, you don't even know their names, and they're the people
that are really in charge of a whole lot of stuff. And Clinton wasn't
the first president to say that. I mean even Kennedy had said at certain
points, look, I'm in control of a certain part of this, but
not all of it, you know, because I've had to go over his
tapes a lot. He said that to other foreign leaders during you know,
moments he must elapsed his judgment for a moment. I mean, doctor feel
Good had an effect on him here and there, you know, little lapse
in judgment. He says. Look, I'm not in control of it everything.
And that is probably the biggest thing that they don't want anybody to verify,
is that all of this stuff that we're you know, supposed to be
divided over looking to go at each other's throats on, you know, ruining
our relationships with our family and everybody else in the world, and drawing all
these dividing lines between us, you know, because oh, I'm for Trump,
I'm against Trump. I'm a Democrat, I'm a Republican, I'm a
I'm an anarchist, I'm all of that stuff that we're doing. These people
laugh at because it's got nothing to do with the actual power structure, you
know. And that's the thing that is I think most difficult for anybody to
wrap their head around. What are your thoughts on that? Well, it
feels helpless too, because you when you start to understand the scope of this
thing, you you you think it's I mean, it's hidden by the fact
that it's so massive. You can't believe that there's a conspiracy, this this
large, and yet here here we are. FDR talked about it. You
mentioned a lot of people have taught about this. In fact, the octopus
symbology. There's a great quote that I put in my Octopus book. It's
like a three paragraph quote, and it's by this guy named John Francis Highland,
and he's talking about this octopus with its sprawling tentacles through the every bit
of the court system and the media and big business in the banking and he
says, let me escape from mere generalizations. I'm speaking about the Rockefeller standard
oil interest, and goes on and on and on. You get to the
bottom of this quote and it's John Francis Highland, Mayor of New York City,
nineteen twenty two. Oh my god. It's one hundred years ago and
we're still talking about the same thing. So it's been around for a while,
you know. It's it's it's it's this, you know. And I
don't think it's a monolithic thing either. It's it's multiple groups fighting for control,
but they've all recognized one thing. I mean, if you can take
control of the government to the extent that you can make it work for you,
oh boy, it works a whole lot better. Then you can just
have the government do your dirty work for you. If you're the Rockefellers,
you can have you say, oh, well, we want to take control
of this industry or the medical schools, let's just have the government make it
so that we're the ones in charge of it. So you figure this out,
and some people are better at it than others. But these groups have
been operating for a long long time. It's just that when you're not expecting
it, when you're looking for the traditional government and you think that they're the
ones, and you know the people that you vote, you recognize the names
because you may be voted for them or something, and you think they're in
charge. What you find if you wind up on the wrong topics is that
the real dangerous people are the ones that you've never heard of, the ones
that are behind the scene, the ones that actually have a vested interest in
things remaining fairly predictable and controllable for them so that they don't have to mess
around with their game too much. You start stepping on their toes, you
start writing articles about software systems that they've developed or that they have access to
that give them a competitive advantage, you know, I mean, and it
gets real in a hurry. So that's kind of that's kind of what I
think a lot of people need to understand. This isn't anything new. It's
been around for, you know, just in the in the American version of
the octopus in that format, at least a century, if not more so,
guaranteed, right, I mean, for more than half of our existence,
I would say fairly. And again, remember that this country's only been
here since seventeen seventy six, right, So what are we looking at.
We're looking at a two hundred and fifty year time span, and I'm telling
you one hundred and twenty five years of it. I'm sure this existed.
What is fascinating to me is how apt the octopus actually is regarding this,
this interlocking net of things. Because okay, and I just went to Google
to see if I could get something concise. Okay, Sorry, I do
use Google on occasion. I use other stuff too when I actually want to
conduct real searches, but Google's a good tool for something like this, and
I'm gonna read this. Octopuses have an extensive nervous system, okay, with
over five hundred million neurons. Now I paused at the comma there, because
all I did is put in octopus neurology into a search engine. All right,
And here we go back to the quote similar in number to that of
a dog, but unlike dogs and other vertebrates. Okay, where the majority
of neurons are in the brain, over two thirds of the octopus's neurons are
located within their arms and body. Why is that such an apt description for
what it is we're talking about here, Charlie, could you help me out?
Well, I'll tell you what it's. The octopus symbology is perfect of
these people because if you think about it, first of all, they're very
alien in the way they look and behave, and I think that that's pretty
obvious when you deal with them. They're also masters of disguise. They can
change their colors, as we know, they can change their texture, they
can change the way the patterns. They can spray ink to distract you and
get away out the back door because they're extremely fast, or they can grab
you with those eight tentacles, pull you in and tear you apart with a
hidden beak that you don't see that's underneath them until it's too late. So
they've got they've got a great memory. They say that if they've been into
in a cave within the last three years, they can find their ways back
back through the maze of the cave and out. So they've done tests with
them. So they're very smart. If anyone's ever watched those videos of a
octopus in a tank learning, you know, trying to figure out how to
escape and get out out of it, I mean, they're very clever.
So it's a it's an animal that has perfect sort of relationship to to these
people. Devious, smart, deceptive, interesting, uh, alien and and
all of these things. And yet it you know, it's it's so it's
kind of a perfect encapsulation of of of what these people are. I mean,
they really should be studied in a museum because they're they're dangerous sociopaths,
of course, but they're fascinating to watch because it's like a a case study
in arrogance and sociopathy and and and this desire to to to want to be
in charge, and you know, and and and you know there's a.
There's a theme that runs through a lot of these these groups, uh,
sort of two themes themes that are intertwined. One is world government that they're
in charge of, and the second component of that is depopulation for the world
government that they're in charge of. So there's this arrogance where they feel like
they're the ones that have to be in charge. And typically they're intelligent.
They're they're a lot smarter than the average bear too, so it makes them
extremely dangerous people to deal with. And and and you know, in much
like an octopus, you walk by them and you don't even know they're there
until until they want you to know that they're there, and then it's a
different story. So yeah, man, it's a it's a real you know,
it's a it's a it's a real perfect animal to use to describe it.
I put on the on the cover of my Octopus book is a cartoon
of of an octopus covering the planet Earth, and I stole it, I
borrowed it. I changed the coloring on it, but it actually is the
logo from the National Reconnaissance Office in r O L DASH thirty nine, which
is a spy satellite that was launched by the n ro O, and it's
on there. It had had a picture of this octopus that was covering the
world and it said nothing is beyond our reach. That was the logo.
So I stole that and used that octopus as my octopus for the book cover.
But it came from the American government and it shows how they think of
the octopus as well. So it's not limited to us tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy
theorists. I mean, the governments themselves know about it, and they lean
into it when they can well see. And the reason why it is so
alien to you know, most people, quite frankly, is again, think
about that description I gave at the beginning, right where Look, people think
of snakes as being tremendous adversarial creatures. Okay, and they think, okay,
you cut the head off a snake and that's the end of it.
Okay, fine, I get it. But you see, you don't destroy
an octopus's brain. Even taking the head off of this thing, you know,
you do damage to it. It's not the zombie apocalypse. Damage the
brain and it stops moving. It's not that simple. And nor is this
organization, nor is this principle by which this governance, okay for lack of
a better word, is run from the underground all the way to the sky.
Indeed, the octopus covering everything is a perfect, perfect imagery. But
here's the thing again, remember the neurology, two thirds of it, not
even in the head, not in the brain. That means that all along,
each one of these reaching out tentacles that goes into something the twists and
turns and is extremely malleable and flexible in order to accommodate any circumstance that emerges.
Here's the fascinating part of it. These things think for themselves too.
This is not the organizational principle that most people are accustomed to. You know,
here's a hierarchy. Here is the head of the organization, the head
of the organization. You think about any organization, right, What do they
tell you about the mob all the time? If you take out the leader,
than the rest of it falls. They say, here's what happens.
You know, they took out the big boss. Why did they go after
him? Because once you take him out, the rest of it falls.
This is the way people think about it. A military, if you get
rid of the commanders, the soldiers won't know what to do. Here's the
problem, though, When you have tentacles that can think for themselves for lack
of a better term here, and do operate in this extremely unpredictable way with
all the defenses you described at their disposal, you're not dealing with a creature
that you can relate to. This is truly you use the word alien,
absolutely, not just because they're weird looking, and not just because you can
spot, you know, something that is clearly not behaving in a typical you
know, jeez, let me think about this in a typical primate with a
slightly reptilian brain, because you need both of those things. This isn't a
monkey with that reptilian order in it, okay, that can do damage.
This is something else that, indeed, I mean, may have been delivered
to us from another planet, because it totally disqualifies itself from a whole bunch
of laws among a whole lot of other creatures on this planet that we all
seem to have in common. Yeah, and it's a it's a beautiful it's
a beautiful and interesting creature. It's a perfect symbol for this dangerous group that's
behind a lot of what's happening in the world, and I think that,
you know what, look whatever gets you into it, you know, if
you're enormy out there and you think that the idea of an octopus sounds kind
of intriguing and exotic, and that makes you watch a little something more about
this stuff than good rather have everybody at the party come learn a little bit
about this. But unfortunately, it's not going to be cute and it's certainly
not going to be a Disney octopus. This gets dark, right, and
it gets it into some really some really terrifying places. Well, before we
run out of time, did you actually watch the entire Netflix y? Okay,
So I'd like to get your quick take on that and also get an
idea from you afterwards about something else. But first I do want to get
your take on it, because you know, the funny part is that I
had two guys on who wanted to talk about this, and it was inspired
by the Netflix release, and I mean Ed wanted to promote his you know,
three Hours of Conversation he has on his Patreon, But outside of that,
they were really inspired by Netflix. Okay, that was what triggered it.
That was the catalyst. So to speak for them, wanting to speak
about this at length, and they ironically had not seen it. Okay,
right, so Ed knows bunch of people that participated in it, but neither
one of them watched it. Now I've watched it, and at the time
I interviewed them, I didn't because I wanted to be on the same page
as them. I found it interesting that this was, you know, all
of a sudden like headline things super popular and all that. And I always
find it positive when more brand new people learn about stuff that I have been
discussing or looking into or you know, pondering for these many years and can't
even cover it all on the show the things I want to ponder. But
nonetheless I find it a positive thing. There's more awareness, et cetera.
We may stand a chance about doing something about you know, even one tentacle.
Why not? But what were your thoughts on this Netflix documentary series?
You know, I'm good bad otherwise, I don't care, however you want
to take it. What's your what's your take? I kind of feel the
way you how you mentioned that. Like, on the one hand, if
if this is your first entry into this information, then welcome to the party.
I'm glad to have you. I'm glad that this is, you know,
got you thinking about what what actually is going on? And if it
if it leads you to if the octave, this story is the first story
that you find, and that's what what what first leads you down the rabbit
hole? Then you know, look whatever, whatever it is, great,
you know for for for me, maybe it was nine to eleven, you
know. For for someone else it might be COVID or JFK or whatever.
So whatever it is, if it's got you thinking about this, then I
suppose that's a good a good thing. I'm curious to get your take on
this because in the beginning, there's a there's a there's a scene where they
just flat out said, uh yeah, I was shown clips of the the
you know, the Kennedy assassination. Part of this is the brutal film that
wasn't shown and it shows the driver turning around and shooting him in the head.
And I was like, I heard that, and I was like,
is this, Like, is this how we're going to start this series off?
Because if this is how we're going to start it off, this is
this is I think it's going to be a problem what was your take on
that. Well, we heard you heard that. See again, it's multi
faceted. And when I saw that part of it, it's immediately what I
know is going on there is that somebody is intentionally attempting to undermine the situation.
Let me present to you something that seems completely plausible, that you'll swear
up and down is real, and yet we all know it is not.
And what you do is you implant those ideas so that someone discredits themselves as
a witness, so that someone now has, you know, completely idiotic information.
So look, I come to you and you've never heard of the octopus,
and I say, look, man, this is a big thing.
This reporter was murdered, et cetera, et cetera. And now I throw
at you that part of it, right. You know what else they said
during this thing? You know what, Kennedy was assassinated and the driver turned
around and shot him. And it's really a film that is the old Bill
Cooper thing where you know, quite frankly, I don't object to the fact
that Cooper had a blurry version of the Zuppruter film, and that's what he
was working with at the time, and a lot of people didn't have good
access to something like that easily. I get it. My problem with Bill
Cooper was and will remain that he swore up and down he saw documents to
the effect that this is what happened, and he was presented to them by
you know, an admiral in the navy, you know, the Pacific Fleet.
He was like the head of the Pacific Fleet. And making no sense.
He immediately adds nonsense into the equation that undermines everything, Like how is
it that you destroy an argument? Actively destroy an argument anywhere, anytime,
any place, absolutely poorly, horribly defend the position. That is the best
way. You know, if I told you, I mean picked a subject
nine to eleven was an inside job because I saw that those planes were absolutely
cartoons. I don't mean that they were holographic projections, but they were cartoons.
And all that stuff was fake. It was just shown on TV.
Nothing actually happened in New York City that day at all. Right, you're
gonna call him an idiot because no matter what you think of it, and
even if you heard some buzzwords that you like in there, you know damn
well that something happened on the ground in New York City. Okay, I
am now swearing up and down to you, after this tirade of many different
things, that there is a provable lack of evidence where you know that is
not the case, regardless of what you think happened there. You know,
those towers fell in New York. Okay, they fell, how they fell,
why they fell, all kinds of arguments there. But if I told
you nobody died on nine to eleven, and I've heard this stuff come out
of people's mouths, you have just destroyed any credibility you could have had in
all of your lead up. Now, the doubts that they did in the
movie, in the in the documentary series, in my opinion, when they
started off by by injecting the Kennedy part in that, I just kind of
was like, I felt like, but there's too Yeah, there's two levels
to kickstart this. Yes, there's two levels to it, though, Charlie,
there's two levels to it. There is what that woman probably and I
believe that she saw that. Okay, I do believe she saw it.
But the fact that they included it in there is one level of kicking the
argument in it's ass before it even starts to run Okay, that's one thing.
The other thing is I think that this happened to this woman in person
for real, and that was intentionally done to her because she obviously stepped on
something legitimate. See, that's the thing is if you can go ahead and
if somebody, I mean you've heard the stories many times right where somebody says,
oh gee, you know, this sudden freak accident killed this person.
You know, it's just so happens. They were working on something, well,
you know, just so happens. They were about to come out with
a revelation. They had to be stopped, et cetera. This is the
desperate measure that's taken this woman, likely somehow, and by the way,
her explanation of how it is she came across her information really okay, lacks
a lot of plausibility. A lot of the stuff in there lacks plausibility.
Now, was that done intentionally for the viewer? Probably? Did this stuff
happen in real life? Also? Probably true. It's not made up.
A lot of it. Some of it might be, but I mean a
lot of it's not made up. Because this is literally what's done to people.
Let's feed them something ridiculous so that they disqualify themselves as a credible witness.
So that was probably done to that woman. And also I feel like
on one level, it was done to the viewers. Here. Let me
give you something completely stupid, okay, and have an eyewitness swear that it's
absolutely real. So you'll say, I know that a witness said this,
and you do you legitimately will relate that, But you have now kicked out
the legitimacy from under your argument. You have made the ground under you into
a mud slide, not going to be able to stand on it. So
these are these people are fantastic at what they do. We should give them
the credit that they deserve, which is when it comes to poisoning the well
with ideas and learning, you know, and knowing how to discredit people in
a subtle way, there's nobody better. I mean, it's amazing we get
anything right, to be honest with you, because you can take you can
take somebody whose entire career was immaculate and insert one false piece of information and
it tarnishes everything that they've done. And that is a real skill. And
so when you do that long enough, you know, you just have enough
people out there that they you can't bat a thousand, you know what I
mean, Just like you're going to get something wrong when you go up against
the most right, the most impressive intelligence agencies in the world, they're just
gonna get you on some level, make you you trip up or believe something
that's ninety seven percent true. But that three percent difference, O, man,
that makes all the difference in the world. And next thing you know,
you you thought you had it right, and you should have had it
right, and you pretty much had it right, but it wasn't totally right.
And because of that, well, there you go. That's always something
to be worried about, you know. And I think the guys that did
the film, look, I mean, my personal feeling about the film was
that there was was less like story driven in more format driven like I thought
it was. I thought there was a whole lot of talk about how much
research they did, like I did a million hours of research for this,
and I was up all night and I worried about and I studied this for
seven years straight and look at my wall of boxes and look at my wall
boxes and stuff like that. And then there was the part where they dressed
up like where he dressed up kind of as Danny Castillarro and was sort of
reenacting that, and I thought that was weird, But that's more to me,
that's more like a directorial issue, a formatting issue, more so than
the content of it. So I mean, look, I thought it was
like again, like, I want people to be aware of what is out
there. I want people to be aware of the Danny Castilearro story because I
think it's important for people to understand what happens when you get when you get
close to real power that doesn't want to be exposed. You know, bad
things happen, and you need to know that this is the world in which
we live in. They could, you know, like I said, there's
some things I would have done differently if I were them, But you know,
in the JFK thing, to me, it was just it was just
you know, I had to kind of like set that aside after a while
and just say, right, well, I'm not watching it for the JFK.
Yeah, I'm mad that mention. I'm watching it to see how close
they get to it. And you know what I really wanted to see was
I really wanted to see them go hard into the group behind it, and
what they did was. They showed a couple of pictures of George H.
W. Bush, They showed a couple pictures of those guys, but they
didn't do a deep dive into who Ted Shackley was or or you know,
the guys that were really sort of you know, the the guys that are
sort of Frank Carlucci, Don Rumsfeld, you know, these are the guys
I want, I want. I would have liked for them to have gotten
into into who this group was. But of course, you know, I
mean, when you start doing that, then like how about really explaining what
Wackenhut does? How about that? You know, how about that? How
about let's talk about the private prison industry. Let's talk about how disgusting that
is. Right now, it just gets Clinton and and and our dear dear
leader Joe Biden were behind all of that. I mean, can we talk
about there you go see and there it is again where it's like we'll just
have the government do the work for us, and then we'll pick up the
pieces that they drop, you know, which they intentionally drop right in front
of us. We can't help that. You know, that's fascinating. I'll
tell you what's another fascinating thing and food for thought is that Jeff Morley runs
a you know, he runs a website and he does this and he's got
a paid substack out there where he put out a podcast just this week,
actually interviewing the filmmakers. Now I wonder about, you know, Jeff.
I love some of the stuff that Jeff Morley has done over the years,
and he has been one of these people that legitimately directly took on the CIA
in certain ways, et cetera. But you know, he does weird things
sometimes. And I don't know if he confronted those guys about the JFK thing
in there, which he would be the obvious guy to do that, or
if he's running with it to run up his substack numbers. I don't know
what he's doing. I'm anxious to hear that. I'm almost thinking I might
pay him for his substack this month, just to get it, because it
is really bizarre. And I'll tell you, if somebody wants to like split
it with me or something, I'll do that with you too. Just send
me a thing, I'll send you a PayPal for it. But I mean,
I don't really want to pay Jeff Morley at this point. Because he's
really becoming disappointing to me, despite the fact that he's the vice president over
there at the Mary Farrell Foundation, okay, or vice chair or whatever they
call. You know. It disturbs me when the convoluted stuff that is now
packaged by certain media companies enters into the fray and becomes a wrecking ball in
legitimate research, in legitimate areas that need to be exposed. And this is
the overall commentary here, Charlie. I'm sorry, but this is answering your
question all the way through. It is disturbing to me. On the one
hand, yes, this is great for enormy who's never heard of it before,
but you can never never accept anybody's presentation on face value. I'm sorry,
and I don't care if you're Charlie Robinson, if you're Chuck o'ceelly,
if you're anybody. You must follow through on these things for yourself and find
people that have legitimately given you some road maps. Not everybody is on your
side here with getting to the real root of these things or the true reality
of them, and we need to keep that in mind at all times.
Not everybody in the al media is an actual alternative. Okay, no matter
what they're doing. Sorry, go ahead, Darla, one hundred percent.
You need to. You see, if you do the research for yourself,
it makes it real. It makes it real to you. Go double check
everybody's work, you know what I mean. I reserve the right to change
my mind on information that I put out if I come across information that's better
than the information I had the first time around. I want to always remain
FLEXI you know, I want to make sure if I've made a mistake,
I want to correct it. You know. So I encourage people go out
there and check everybody's work, and in doing so, you discover more information.
And when you discover that information for yourself, it becomes yours, you
know, it becomes it becomes it gets in you in a way that that
that is cumulative, and it builds upon it, and you go out and
you find more information and more information and and and so it's it's really important
to uh do what Ronald Reagan said, right, trust but verify right here,
hear what the people are saying, or or or watch a watch a
documentary series about about something like that, and and and hear it for what
it is. And then maybe go check it out, go double check,
go see what you think, Go see if what they said adds up.
Because if it does, great, it just solidifies it for you. And
if it doesn't, well, then find out why it doesn't. And maybe
the reason why it doesn't is because you're on something that they weren't even onto,
you know. So, so I want participation. I want people to
feel that they have a role in this information as well, you know,
I mean it, you don't need fiction. This true life stuff is better
than any fiction out there. So I mean, you can't make this sort
of stuff up. Man, that there's a that there's a criminal enterprise that's
this big, that's so deeply involved in that. Like what would you do
if you could commit any crime in the world and know that you would never
be punished for it because you were in charge of doling out the justice.
That's how these guys operated, right, So they they've taken it to an
extreme and and it's it makes for some really fascinating topics. I mean,
on the one hand, I'm glad that these guys did the show, you
know. I mean, like I said, I have some I have some
critiques about the style of it, but that's a that's a superficial style,
is exactly. That's just me being shitty and nitpicky about it. But but
in terms of like, well, you did you know, you took it,
You took this idea, you we you covered a little bit about it,
you got people thinking about it at the very least now for a lot
of people, now it's on their radar. And once it's on their radar,
uh, then maybe they'll they'll decide to dig a little bit deeper.
I encourage everyone to do that. But you know, so they're so good
people are talking about it. I can't believe it. But it also doesn't
it also kind of feel a little bit like like I get instantly suspicious when
something like this is trending because they start thinking, why is this trending?
I mean, I know why why I'm interested in it, and I think
everyone should be interested in it. But why are they allowing everyone to be
interested? Yeah? Exactly, I mean I mean outside of the Yeah,
outside of the anniversary issue, which you know always comes up for other things
as well. I mean, as I've stated several times here, my experience
in the JFK community has given me an insight into this you know, anniversaries
come and go, and yes, indeed that causes some of this stuff to
trend and get people thinking once again, and people try to capitalize on it,
etc. But I suggest that you guys listening to both of us,
have this conversation sort of a private conversation, but in public here about this
and picking each other's brains over what it is we're witnessing. I would advise
you to go to macroaggressions dot io. Follow up. Okay, you go
to his page there and you see uncovering the century's long plan for world domination?
Is this big old phrase right at the top? Okay? Anyway,
why is that? That's Charlie Robinson's page and there's a lot of things that
he's tied to. You can also find him on the Twitter x platform at
macro aggressive three okay, or you can just find him on my friends.
It almost got I almost was able to get macro aggression, but which is
it just kind of petered out at the end. I got the They didn't
give me the end. They just gave me a three. Yeah, So
just type in macro aggressions you'll get close enough exactly. Anyway, that's two
ways to find Charlie, but also uh, you know, contributing. I
think you're one of the founding guys for the Union of the Unwanted. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, we had a we did a show last night.
We had Adam Curry on, which was fun from no agenda, so he
stopped by it. Yeah there's another classic podfather. Yeah, another another classic
podcaster out there. I was surprised to see you guys grab Adam Curry,
but that was that was pretty cool. But where else can they find you?
I mean, Union of the Unwanted, macro aggressions. I think both
of them are on just about every Podcascher that is, except you might be
banned from YouTube as well, but quietly I have a YouTube channel again by
the way, Yeah, YouTube doesn't really like me. But Amazon is okay,
they'll they've got my books there. If you just type in my name
on Amazon you'll find my books. So that's still a good place. Or
Barnesandnoble dot com they've got them as well. So right right, and thanks
for having me back on Chuck. It all was good to talk. Listen.
You're always welcome, and this topic, unfortunately has so much more that
we could cover along with a great many other things that are steeped in darkness
that you know need to be brought out into the light. But anyway,
macro aggressions. Charlie Robinson my guest tonight, and I appreciate you for taking
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