Hello, and welcome to side Quest here at GI Versus, our weekly video
game show. I'm your host, still Musk, and I have with me
the clown Princes of Third Parties. Travis snow that rolls off the tongue.
I like that, all. Yeah, that's the new thing this year.
I'm trying to do clown princes with something, so it's like it's like having
a new nickname, but it keeps the original. But yeah, I'm excited
what happened to be. I'm glad because we talked about doing this early,
but I'm glad we waited because there's some other news and stuff broke. So
I think we got lots of chat about in a variety both PlayStation and Xbox
to varying degrees. Yeah, definitely, this is gonna be very exciting show.
We have, you know, a couple of quick games to shout out
games we've been playing, and then yeah, mostly about the state of play
of course that happened last week. And then there's been all sorts of Xbox
news which has really been culminating for I want to say a few weeks at
this point, so we'll break all of that down. So very very juicy,
jam packed episode, so really not many show us. You know,
join the discord. We're always talking about this crazy news when it drops.
Hit up the patron to get episodes early and add free and uh yeah,
stay tuned of the feeds. There's all sort of things releasing. We're you're
starting Halo season two this week, so yeah, you're a fan of that
video game and you love that TV show. Uh you know me, Me,
Kirkland and Taylor gonna go on that journey again this season, so that
should be fun. And uh yeah, any any other shout outs from you,
Travis? Do you want to get ready to do it? No other
than other than this Sunday when we do Super Bowl trailers. We will be
dropping our second trailer with the Adrena Chrome or second trailer Adrenic Coman that will
have what I hope is the official final date for the four day rentals,
so look out for that. It's honestly just so we can leach off that
nice Super Bowl se Oh but you know, because people are busy watching other
trailers, is that not like a bad time to drop it? Or do
you try and get in there with the rest of them. I try to
get in there just so if people are scrolling by, they see that super
Bowl hashtag and they see trailer. Oh I missed this one. So it's
like, you're gonna do I say, you're gonna put the hashtag on?
Oh? Absolutely, it's gonna be a big game super Bowl any hashtag I
can like. So that's why I might you'll get caught by the algorithm by
that, and then who knows. We have two million views on the Ternior
Chrome trailer. Yeah, the first drunk room trailer isn't like I think it's
a couple hundred away from a thousand. So it's chucking along every time I
look at it. Yeah, because it's like the main one there on our
YouTube, so I see all the time, and I luckily to think there's
got some bots, because there's definitely some like like Lady of the Night,
like, oh this looks interesting, but it was definitely But like sometimes that's
a good thing when the bots find it, because that's me it's working its
way through. So it's a risk we're willing to take. But uh know,
just excited to talk about some stuff coming up. So cool, Yeah,
let's let's get right into it. Then. So a couple, I
have a couple of games to shout out here that I've been playing. One
is probably a quick shot out. But you know, the year is twenty
twenty four, which somehow means that Celestis existed for six years. It's it's
crazy to me that that game has been out that long. At this point
just feels like such a recent indie game. I can still remember it having
all those big things at the game wards, and it's like, how was
that six years ago? At this point that is insane. Uh. But
because of that, the developers for the sixth anniversary of the game released a
little mini uh really just a little celebration almost. It's a little game called
Celeste sixty four. It's at least for free on it, so you can
just google celest sixty four and yeah, it's just a small celest three D
platform or very much like Super Mario sixty four vibes even like the music,
and yeah, it's just like a three D collectith on. You're in this
one zone going around collecting all the strawberries. And you know, I think
if you're not a Celeste fan, you probably wouldn't get as much out of
it. But to just see all of those gameplay mechanics or certain platforms that
you see in the game as you're going through the levels turned into a three
D format is really fun. And it's like the biggest flex of this all
is when they in their description for the game, they're like, yeah,
we made this in like a week to celebrate the game. It's like,
how do you guys make this fun of a three D platform or in a
week? Like it's really short. It took me like an hour and a
half to get every collectible in the game, but still really impressive, and
it's one hundred percent free. So just huge shout up to that team for
making a really fun spinoff within that celest universe. I really had a good
time playing through that and some of them, some of the like certain challenge
rooms are really freaking hard and took me a while. So some good challenge
in there too, if you're into that kind of thing. It makes me
want just like a full Celest sixty four at this point. Is there any
reason other than maybe it's like some obvious nostalgia hype for just you know,
because that name sixty four was it just picked purely for that? Oh yeah,
it's sent to because even like the esthetic is very Nintendo sixty four and
the music and all that. There's been a couple of games. There was
a game came out year or two ago called Kiwi sixty four which was just
like a three D platform or collectith on. So I feel like that's been
a thing that now that developers are like, developers are old enough now who
are like nostalgic for the n sixty four era, you know, now they're
all leasing games and they're trying to use that naming scheme. So I don't
know, I really like that just rather than calling your game whatever, just
call it sixty four because that very much tells you exactly what it is,
right, It tells you that it's an n sixty four style game. So
I think it's I think it works, it's good marketing. I like it.
Yeah. So yeah, that was a quick shout out, And then
I talked too Kirkling about this on side quest that I've finally started my Metal
Gear Solid journey and I've an update on that, but I wanted to do
a reminder from you, Travis. Have you played all of the like five
mainline games. So it's one of those things. It's very much in the
I think I have to varying degrees and varying degrees if I don't remember which
ones I've beaten and not written they were in that PlayStation pocket of me probably
being like seven to twelve, Like I don't think they all came out that
time, but whenever I played them, it's or it's like a Super Mari
RPG, Like that's a good example, Like I definitely played this and remember
like ISM's but never to the point of like, oh, I remember it
for beats. That's why I was kind of waiting, I know, because
what this is on the switch right, you're playing it on right? Yeah,
I got this the Master Collection, I think is what it's called.
Yeah, has metal Gear one and two and then middle Gear Solid one,
two and three. So I've been waiting for a time. But I've also
been waiting for them because they do that every once in a while where they
like remask them again. They've remastered them for Xbox PlayStation. At one point
I want to I'm actually just kind of hoping, not hoping, but I
thought there wouldn't be Metal Gear Solid game in a while, but no,
I just remember it was kind of like the first game I played that was
like that espionage like Stealth Sword game. Other than that, like Batman Vengeance,
like those were the two games I remember sneaking around a lot, you
know, right right, So yeah, I talked to Kirkle about this.
But yeah, I played through the first game and really enjoyed it even though
it was very old, and Jankeye I saw had a really great time with
it. And I'm now about four and a half hours into Metal Metal Gear
Solid two and unfortunately I think this game sucks, Like this is really this
is a really really bad game. Now. The first thing that I guess
was shocking, well not necessarily shocking, but you know, the I played
Metal Gear Solid one and then in this Switch collection it had like essentially the
PS one version of Metal Gear Sold one. But then for Metal Gear Solid
two and three, it's what I believe is the PS three or Xbox three
sixty remake that was done from those original games. So it's not quite the
PS two game, but it still is like more of an HD remaster rather
than like a remake, So it's it feels like a PS two and a
half sort of thing. Yeah, so I was I guess I was hoping
for a bit better just gameplay quality like gameplay, like controls and stuff,
jumping up a whole consoles a bit more modern and stuff like that. Yeah,
and like it looks, it looks, you know, higher quality,
but I also think it lacks the charm that like the PS one game has,
and the like the PS one game, like no one even has eyes
because there wasn't that level of detail, right, so they all just look
really blocking weird, but like it actually fits the story and world of that
game, whereas this is a lot more higher quality. But then it is
like a PS three game, so it still looks pretty old at this point.
That part's not necessarily bothering, but I guess I was hoping for a
bit more of an evolution in the gameplay. But I mean, I cause
I don't know if you remember this part, But like Meddle gear solid too.
You don't play a snake, right, you play his ride in and
my god, this character fucking sucks. Right. I was in a Ryan
fan. Kirkland is a big Ryan fan, but I was somebody that I
was a fan. Okay, I'm pretty sure he is. I don't think
he's played this one, so I wonder if Ryding like maybe has a better
appearance in the game, so that might be it. He just likes some
more hype appearance of riding, so yeah, that might Yeah, because he's
a very anime character later on, like very much like like yeah, yeah,
and because I always, you know, heard that name and I always
thought, oh, Riden must be a super cool character, because that name
is super cool. But he's just like a total dweeb. The voice acting,
you know, it's very intentional, I'm sure, but it's like,
whose choice was it to make you play this fucking loser ahead of Snake?
And Snake's in the game a lot, you're interacting with him, but when
you're playings Ryan right now, I see just the guy that is blonde hair
and has a gun. Currently he comes back. This is probably what Kirk
and likes. And I think in Middle Group sold for as a very anime
robotic been through a lot of trauma characters. That's why he was a robot
kind of guy. That's why something happens and then he gets turned into you
know, some beasts. So yeah, so that, I mean, that's
the first red flag for me. I just don't want to play as this
guy quite as much. He's very annoying. He's very whiny. Anytime someone
says anything, he's like, what, I can't believe it. Like everything,
any piece of information in small or big, is just the biggest shock
in the world to him, and it gets it gets old really quick.
And then also like the story is just not really gripping me in the same
way that the first one did. There's a couple of characters that are somewhat
interesting, but still no one matching, like someone like Revolver Ocelot from the
first game, who I absolutely love. Psychomantis is like really weird and interesting,
the sniper Wolf, and even just like the characters that you're talking to
in the colms are a lot more interesting than the characters here. So in
that way, it's kind of a step down. And then at a point
I got in the story, there was kind of just this almost felt like
more of a prologue or something, this whole opening section, but then like
now it goes into this part and you know, spoilers for this game that's
twenty years old. But now it's just like, oh, and now on
this place that I'm at, there's a there actually is a metal gear with
a nuke, and she's like, Okay, we're doing the exact same story
now from the first game, so it just feels like a rehash. But
then like, I don't know why you just didn't do it from the start
and at like hours of build up into this other thing. So that's pretty
weak for me too, which is too bad because I love the story and
the characters of the first game. Even though it's very weird and old and
dated, it was still really interesting and fun and the characters were great,
whereas obviously from the protagonist side of things, that's pretty weak here. But
even like, the villains aren't as fun and goofy as I expected from that
from that first one. And then I, you know, this game's old,
but this might be the worst stealth game I've ever played in my life
in terms of just stealth mechanics. And it's weird because Metal Gear Solid One
has like it's not a very hard game, and you're really like, I
feel like you're not actually doing a ton of stealth. You're not doing a
ton of combat. It's mostly like just going around places at a little bit
of puzzles, a little bit of stealthier there, but everything's used very sparingly.
It didn't really feel like too much of a stealth game. Of course,
there is stealth sequences, whereas this game is like way harder. There's
so many more enemies everywhere. The stealth doesn't really make sense to me.
I feel like I'm getting caught when I'm not in their cone. I'm not
making much noise and I'll still get caught. And then other times I'm like
that guy definitely should have seen and he doesn't, so it just doesn't like
it doesn't feel very solid in that way. And then like the game is
so hard, but the controls suck and has like kind of tank controls,
you know, in the weird perspective. So it's just you can't have a
good firefight either, and there's just so many freaking enemies. So almost in
every single way, I'm really really disappointed with this game, except for like,
you know, the music's great, of course, as it always is.
Even Family two you're talking about right now, this is specifically two,
Yeah, specifically two. So one's like a one, I'd say, go
the thumbs out, damn it. Well, and this is like the thumb's
out around and then two is a getting the thumb down. So it's gonna
be up to three to see where the time is. Yeah, and from
what I like, even you know, to this day, I feel like
I still hear people say that three is their favorite in the series, and
I know Kirkland loves that game. Uh, and so I'm I'm I'm imagining
it's gonna take another swing in the opposite direction. I think from I heard
about five, I think I'm gonna love that game. Two. Yeah,
I don't really know anything about four. I feel like I haven't heard too
many people. Well I guess, you know, I've heard kirk Can talk
about that one a little bit too, So I think I'll like that one
as well. Yeah, but it's weird because I feel like I've never heard
people specifically hating on this game. But then I was googling after a couple
hours, and I'm like, do people actually like this game? Like do
people like riding and stuff? And people are like, oh, yeah,
that game is not great. And so that's where I was a bit surprised.
I just always thought that this whole series was beloved, and maybe the
spinoffs or the you know, not mainline games or this stuff where the people
weren't as into that weren't necessarily made by Kojima so much. But yeah,
it's it's a bit of a shock to the system. I was expecting that
this whole series, especially these early games, were gonna be killers, and
yeah, the first game was, even though it's super dated, and this
one just not working for me unfortunately. So hopefully it takes a good swing
a big upturn in the second half. But yeah, this first half,
well, I think I'm about halfway through, is pretty week so far.
I think there's definitely a lot of nostalage in there for people, just the
timing it hit and just even though I think the other thing, like we'll
talk about later on, but I just think Kajima is great at if you
if you builds a world you like, you just are like, what's the
lore, what's this story? And stuff like that. So yeah, I
was gonna ask with three, when you play that, I guess maybe it's
going to depend on what you feel about that. Are you going to then
also play the remake when that comes out? Or is that going to be
depend on if you like or dislike this game. I mean, I think
i'll Since I have the master collection here and I own three with it,
I think I will play this version as well, and if anything, that
would probably make me have more excitement for that remake to to see it in
modern day. And is it Bluepoint making that I forget? Or is it
someone else who's making that? Why do I feel like it's not Bluepoint?
But sound that sounds right? Yeah, it is made by or was this
or was that a situation? I thought that I was actually a situation.
Maybe you'll prove me wrong on a second, but I thought the big scuttle
butt was we'd never got a name of who was making it when they just
showed that teacher just saying Konami on Yeah, I think that's the whole thing
is we still didn't get that word of who's Yeah, it just has developed
and published by Konami. So yeah, definitely not Blue Point, but we
don't know much more than that, I suppose, so yeah, so yeah,
who knows what's gonna what's happening there? But yeah, I think I'll
still play through this version, and I'm guessing after this i'll probably well,
I guess that game might come out later this year, so I should probably
get on it right now playing take the third one? Maybe you think so
we've just got the teaser trailer. So far, we've heard nothing else.
Well, once again, I'm relying on Wikipedia here which said twenty twenty four.
Maybe that's a lie. I don't know. We here in the state
of play, which is maybe concerning for its release daten soon, So I
don't know. I guess I just feel like after two I maybe will want
a bit of a break, But I don't know. If three is a
whole lot better, maybe it'd be exciting to just jump straight into that.
So I guess I haven't decided yet. We'll see you when I've finished this
what what games are out at that point in time. I still don't have
like a busy season this year yet, just based on the release dates that
we know so far. So yeah, I don't think I have much else
to say on now when it's it's a bit of a disappointment. One section
I did like was you have to go find these bombs. There's a lot
of backtracking, maybe more than I needed, but finding the bombs was actually
quite enjoyab If you like look in bathrooms in the mirror and you'll see like
a weird reflection up to like where one is in the roof behind you,
and it's just kind of fun looking around. You nor normally get quests like
that in video games. You normally just go to Place A, kill the
enemies, and then go to Place B, you know. So I like
that I got to do this fun, kind of wacky quest that had some
timers on it and stuff. So that was maybe one section I like.
But yeah, other than that, it's been not a great experience so far,
but hoping that. Yeah, it takes an upswing into Melgear Solid three.
Okay, how about with that, we just jumped straight into the State
of Play. So yeah, State of Play came out, which had really
they had I guess advertised it as being the Rise of the Roan and in
Stellar Blade big showcases that's where you're gonna get the big inful on those games.
Then of course there's a bunch of other things that appeared, and des
Strandy made an appearance, which is one of our favorites, so we'll talk
about that, of course. But yeah, what was your just overall takes
on this State of Play? Overall? I think it was a good show.
I think it was similar to oh maybe wasn't the Xbox One. I
feel like there was one before that. I don't think it was the was
the game awards? Was that a banger one or not a Banger one?
I can't remember. Yeah, okay, so there must have been something before.
Maybe it was just the last stay to play maybe to be honest,
where there just wasn't much for me. But this was I think overall good
as far as it had. I think the broad overall for people, it
had a big you know, so you can say surprise, but I think
we all kind of had idea that Destreinty had a good chance of being there,
but it wasn't confirmed, right, And I think that had a very
good showing as far as whether you liked or not. It was lengthy,
so that's all you can ask for, right is they showed a lot of
things off, so I think there was a good variety. It was like
clocked around like forty five hours. It's forty two fo sorry, it's still
going. Actually it's still like forty two minutes. I thought it was like
a good you know pace. We had like a couple like you know,
Jideo and the guy would Who's what was the guy Herman? What's Herman Holst?
Yeah? Who's that? Where where did he? I think he's the
head of Worldwide Studios is his job title at this point? So was it
because it he's not the role that Sean Lane was before, right, No,
because it was Sean Laydon. And then who's the other guy took over
Leyden? I actually Herman might kind of. I think they never really fully
replaced Sean Layden's one position because now we had Yeah, Jim Ryan is like
he's to retire big guy. Yeah, but he's leaving. And Hermon Holsts
I think is more of yeah, like on the download more gamer perspective.
I just felt like I was like, who is this gentleman? I have
no idea. I can't recall if he's been in the State of play before,
and I don't know if I just recognize his name from other PlayStation podcasts
and whatnot. But but yeah, No, overall, I thought it was
a really good one. I thought there's a little mini surprises. I thought
the pacing was good. I don't think anything like Outstay. It's welcome,
and it's kind of like if you don't like def Stranding, that was the
last thing and you can leave. And to me, it's not like even
if I didn't like death Stranding, it's like, well, it's gonna be
one of the bigger games next year, so of course it would get a
showcase, right. It's not kind of like, well there's this random third
party that like, it's not like we got eight minutes of Suicide Squad killed
Justice League. You know, it's like, okay, this makes sense for
a business wise. So, No, I thought it was a really really
good show. I don't think it was like an all time that I'll remember,
but over I watched, it had good pacing, and yeah, I
think it was a good variety nice. Yeah, I thought it was well,
I guess I kind of two thoughts and no. One it felt a
lot like sometimes we're just getting Nintendo Direct and it feels like ninety five percent
of the Direct is just information about games that are getting ported to the Switch,
and that's what this kind of felt like. There was a lot of
third party games or like indies other things that we didn't technically know we're coming
to PlayStation, and so they kind of like maybe confirmed it here, or
like big games from last year or the year before that are now being ported
over to PlayStation. So that stuff's not necessarily super exciting. A couple did
come with extra bonuses, like David Diver had a cool crossover that we'll talk
about. But then I think they really got the job done in terms of
like they announced, Yeah, Riise the Rown Instellar Blade, that's what we're
focusing on, and I feel like I have a really good idea of what
those two games look like. Now I have a really good idea what their
gameplay is, and like without going yeah for fifteen minutes on them, I
feel like I got a really good display of what they are. And then
yeah, this stranding was kind of rumored going in. I think I would
have been a bit let down if it didn't close on that. It needed
to close on something big, I think for just what the quality of the
state of play was, and to close on that was was really sweet and
it was a huge showcase. And then obviously there was another little surprise with
Kajima there at the end too, So overall I think it was a really
good show. Some of that porty and stuff wasn't super exciting, but then
I thought for every single game across the board, I thought the showings were
really good, really good focus on gameplay or if there was story stuff,
it was condensed and like good information so I just thought the actual construction of
it and the gameplay we saw was all really really top much from like every
single game pretty much. So that's not That's something we always complain about,
is like, why am I watching this video game thing if I'm not going
to see gameplay? I want to see what the game actually plays like,
and we got that here. So yeah, let's dive into it. First
off was Hell Divers too. It is more of a launch trailer. Looks
a great game. What really, it looks like a great game, looks
like it's gonna get highly reviewed very well. Looks like people are gonna really
enjoy this game, you would hope, so as the guy who has on
your draft list. No, I think for that audience, it does seem
super solid. Yeah, I don't think there's really much new. Here's more
just like a launch trailer because that game is coming out, like I think
this week, next week or this week isn't like the ninth or something like
that. I'm trying to confirm, but I do believe it is this week.
Yeah. Yeah, it looked like good enough, But like, I
don't have much to add because it's a I kind of just learned about this
franchise this year by looking into the draft. But uh yeah, so m
hmmm, looking back, I forget if in my notes I might have cut
a couple of smaller things, but I don't think I cut too much.
But yeah, next up was Stellar Blade, which I don't think had to
released it before this, but now we know it's coming out April twenty sixth,
and yeah, I think that this was once again, like like I
said, a really all encompassing sort of look at the game. I feel
like I never really understood what the structure of it was, and I maybe
I have a better idea of what it was now. And at first I
always thought this game was kind of more of a Bayonetta sort of game,
like a character action sort of situation, but now to me, it seems
a lot more like near specifically near automata as the vibes I'm getting here with
like the post apocalyptic setting, some of the music has that that the way
the action is constructed, in the way you're building your character, certain visual
things, it's really giving off near automative vibes, which is great. That's
a very popular game and game I really enjoyed playing through. So I think
it looks. I think it looks really solid, you know, not a
console solo for me. I'm not gonna go finally buy my PSO five to
get to get my hands on it, but I hope it is in that
like PlayStation Plus catalog at some point in the future and I can jump in
and check it out, because this looks really solid. Like visually, of
course it looks amazing. Yes, yeah, yeah, this I think for
me of my issue with this one, and I'm watching it again. Uh,
it just still continues to be my issue as far as it looked like
a lot was going on in this and not so much like from a story.
It just looked like one of those games where you pick it up and
as all these things that you can do, and then I go, do
I really want to do these things? Now? Some games you can just
go to I'm just gonna go down this path or do this sort of thing.
Like we've thought about this fault before, right where I think you and
I maybe just tinkered with fault for like the house building system or stuff like
that, But that wasn't for us, right, and it doesn't have that
sense. I just mean for the character and just certain game mechanics. So
I had heard because it had like an anime aesthetics. I was like,
Okay, that's probably not gonna be my alley. But i'd heard lots of
like hype and people like oh I want to see more, want to see
more. So I think it was like I good enough showing. I think
it wasn't too long. It was like maybe close to being too long,
but it is, what's the data for this one again now April twenty sixth
April twenty six, So yeah, I think it deserves like they'll probably do
some more, but I think that deserves a longer showing again. Something got
to show up there. So yeah, I just, uh, I don't
think this one I would be picking up unless I hear universal claim, just
because it just looked like there's a lot going on, and there's other games,
like you said near talking about that, I've still not gone around to
that. I'd probably start with, you know, So yeah, it just
looks like a very busy game. But like you said, visually looking really
good. No, it's funny. I had the same thought as you where
they had a section where they were like showing off some of the skill tree
and they're showing off the crafty menu, and I was like, guys,
not every game needs crafty. This crafty looks so lame and like, I'll
never want to spend any minute doing it. But then you know, probably
to some extent for game balance, you'll have to do some of that mechanics
to make sure your characters the right level and whatnot. So yeah, it
definitely seemed a bit heavy, and that I think that also gives me near
vibes because that game just has way more going on than it possibly needs.
But but yeah, there's that one Stellar Blade. Next up was Sonic X
Shadow Generations. They're more of a Sonic guy than me. Any any thoughts
on this one, No, I just know that this was one that was
rumored. I think they're being very smart because Shadows in the movie next Year
there's a hose based that seems like they're a big part of this trailers.
I guess Shadow was not in the first Generations maybe yeah, And as I'm
no, he was not. No, And as I'm learning, Shadow just
has a very popular fan base. And then I think with this it is
the OG game, but they're adding more to it. So because there was
like Song Generations, so I think there's like it's almost not like it's a
new game. Plus I think it's more vast than that. But happy for
the Senate the Sonic Shadow fans, so there you go. Happy for the
Senate. Yeah, had for the Senate. Next up, this will probably
be a quick Shadow but Zenless Zone zero, which I freaking love that title.
I think that's an amazing title. Back. I mean, Kirkland did
that, like ranking the best video game titles of all time. If I
if this game, I guess was out, I maybe would have included.
I think it's really fun. But this is the next game from the Moyo
verse, I think is a developer who did like cats An Impact and then
Honky Starrail which came out last year or two years ago, which yeah,
for the Weeds, those are like the biggest games in the world. They're
huge, have huge following, so I think it's a good shout out for
them to have this here coming to PS five. I think that was a
new announcement because I think previously is maybe just only like and uh Android and
on phones, so that's pretty big for that audience. Pretty cool, but
I don't think for me, you that's gonna do a whole lot. No.
Next up, Yeah, Foam Stars another game that I don't think we
knew is coming to PlayStation. Yeah, what do you think? This is
almost like another non company, non Nintendo company trying their take on Splatoon is
Oh I know, Yeah, good vibe I get from it. This has
popped up before. I don't know if it was the last stay of player
or whatnot, but I just remember looking at this being like, what are
we doing here? No, I uh maybe on some stream next year,
come to November and it's a downloadable game made some week. If it was
free play, I would check out, Yeah that's that's I mean my bay
Station Plus or something. But yeah, no, I uh all. I
just feel like, if you want to do games like this, you have
to have a certain charm, and I just don't think this game has enough
of that charm that Splatoon has, you know, I think them being almost
more not realistic but like human characters. I don't think that's the route to
go. So it just I just look at it. I just don't know.
I don't know why you would make this game but a last Hey,
maybe it comes out and people really like it. You never know what games
like take off nowadays, right, So I just get worried whenever I see
these games because I just I just feel like that shelf life is so limited
now, where the more and more come out, the more and more people
are gonna be spread between these games, and then if they don't have that
audience, they shut the servers down and the games is unplayable. And it's
like that, yeah, Dogible game was super cool, that whatever, that
wrestling Battle Royale game. That game looks super fun, but now the servers
are offline. So it just feels like it's so hard to get these things
to be successful and take off. And I think FOLM Stars is, unfortunately
me those ones that just has a few months of popping off. But I
could see within a year or two that they have that announcement at the very
least of shutting the servers down. I hope you were wrong, but I
just I don't know where. There's only so many gamers that are into this
kind of genre, and it seems like every year they're getting and more split
between different games, and it's just like movies and TV. Like though we
talk about today like this year being a light year, that doesn't matter because
there's so many people that have games to catch up on our new game.
Like, there's so many games out there. It's harder than ever nowadays for
like Spark, So that's where it's like with this, it's like foam starts.
Oh, was this the best for your resources? But hey, you
never know, right, So I think if that were too maybe this was
announced in there and I didn't notice it, But if this was like in
a PlayStation plus, I think that would be a good way to get people
in the door. Potentially. I think I would check it out in that
kind of way. And in terms of like any one of these battle rails
that drops on game Pass, I'm always like, yeah, I'll check it
out for a few games, see what it's like. And that's the Dodgeball
one did that though, right, that was a game Yeah, and then
the same thing just didn't didn't happen, So gonna last forever. Yeah.
The next port was Day of the Diver, which is coming over to PlayStation
in April. This is a great get. This is one of the biggest
games from last year. Not an indie game, but it looks like an
indie game. The announcement here, which I think was cool to have a
new announcement with this is that in May they're doing a Godzilla crossover with the
game, which is cool because there was there was already that crossover it did
with Dredge, another very similar looking game, and now Godzilla. I think
it's really fun that they're getting to do all these big crossovers for what feels
like a pretty small game, and so soon after it releases too. So
yeah, that's coming out in May. So the game comes out in April
and then in May get a nice content boost. It's like a nice one
two punch for a PlayStation platform. That's good Godzilla's heart right now. And
plus that the movie I think is coming out on March, so good synergy.
Right, Yeah Godzilla, Yeah, time X they're on the same tam
And then the other one, v Rising. This is a vampire sort of
Valaheim looking game. This has been in early access on Steam for a long
time. I know Briggs has tried to talk me into playing this game.
We've never gone around to it. But this is coming out now, I
guess officially one twenty four, and we'll be coming to PlayStation as well when
it leaves early access. So that's cool. Good for them, Yeah,
look it looks didn't look like a game on to play, but I liked
some of the visuals. That's where I kind of was at, so fair
enough. Next up, we have a little one two here for Silent Hill.
So first was Silent Hill. This short message, this is a shadow
drop free on PlayStation trives. You've been playing this game, so tell me
about it. Yeah, I did so obviously. The reason I dipped into
because I am somebody that talking about ketch up on games. Like I was
a big fan of the Resident Evil games that's like in that era of you
know, like Mario Arperteam Mental Gear, Like I played a bunch of them,
and I played I have the remake spot, but I haven't got through
them. So I was a Resident Evil guy, never a Silent Hill guy.
I've never touched any of those really, just never been around them.
So all my touchtoone really is is what we've talked about many many times the
podcast and people talk about for decades was pt right as part of this,
oh you know Kagema and this and that. So that's where for me it's
like, okay, this is anytime we do a shadow drop, and I
found it was two hours because like I've said before, I have like a
shriket to not playing games until like the movie comes out, other than drop
it on call duty here or there. So I'm like, okay, I
was like, oh, it's around two hours, I'll do that. It's
Shadow Drop, it's free, and it was people were trying to say that,
right, It's like them doing a spin on like PTE where it is
you're going through rooms. Yeah, so I think that's where it's smart to
do that. And I think they're trying to make a we'll talk about the
next one with the remake, like they're trying to make a little comeback.
I don't think they captured exactly like what pt could have been, because I
think it's and I guess like it's a trigger warning, but the game deals
with a suicide and a lot of bowling aspects and stuff. So it's weird
because I think it's like it's close to being something. I don't know if
it needed to cook more. I just don't know if the writing was good,
Like I think some of the themes are really good, but I just
don't think they hit home in the same way. And this wasn't meant to
be pun and intended but it felt like it was a horror version of Gone
Home, but not to the same extent where it's like you're finding lots of
articles and it's like updating you school bowling or somebody to report this and again.
So it's kind of you're unraveling a little into spiritral. It's in like
an abandoned school, like it's it it's iffy. There's a lot of ghost
stuff, so it's like one of these things are like the school's still open,
but it feels like, why does it look this creepy? Like it's
very odd because that's how Yeah, that's how it starts pretty much, and
that's where how it starts. As you're walking this building and there's like a
whole tribute to someone that jumps committed suicide by jumping off this building, and
the whole how it starts is you just wake up in the school and you
get a text from that person that is heads. That's where the spookiness comes,
like, oh, what's going on. One aspect I did really like
is so you're going through this, you know, multiple layers of the school.
It's really just maybe a couple floors, but it's like it's pretty small,
if you die or get caught by the monster. You right away,
it'll like you'll get stabbed and they'll stop, and then it'll reverse all your
gameplay you just played, and then the character wakes up again, so it's
like they had a dream. And I do think there's still because I when
I looked up the screen time, it's like, oh, how do you
unlock cherry Blossom? So I don't think I've done everything you can in the
game. I think it's a game that has like multiple endings or multiple avenues.
I think they're all probably smaller, but the second I finished it,
I won't say for spoilers, it's a I'd say if you like those type
of horror games, it's a smaller one, like it's worth maybe a little
playthrough. But it's also not one where it's like, oh, you gotta
check it out. Like if someone said, oh, hey, like is
it like I said, I think you have to like that genre, you
have to like horror games, it'd be different someone's like, oh, I'm
not really that into horror games. Should I play it? If it's not
like a top tier like you know all the time like Outlast, right,
or that's when it's like oh, that's like a perfect first person or like
Resident Evil seven. Those are longer games, but I mean like, if
you're not into it, you don't have to. But yeah, I I
appreciated that. I appreciate that it seems like there is because when I completed
this story, it again took me all the way back to the beginning and
then the character wakes up and you're kind of like having almost like how describe
in matrix where there's like deja vu, but it feels like that's like the
coding right, like the data cycle. Yeah, the day of view is
very much like ghost stuff. And I will say though, that's why I
think that that's where I wish the message was a bit stronger, just hit
home more, because I don't think it's it could have been like a bit
scarier. I think that that was my thing where yeah, like it works
enough, but even like the big monster's not too scary, Like I just
I think that's that's the thing. Where with PT, it kind of felt
like that of course they're in a scary school or stuff, but kind of
like everything was really scary, where it just kind of feels like just the
monster is more the scary part and it's not even that scary of a monster.
It's someone with like like because the girl that committed suicide an artist,
so it's like flowers and it's like, I don't know, so it it
was a fun little play and I might try to like go back a little
bit because I still want to see, like okay, because there's multiple times
where you'll exit a room and there is three ways you can go, so
I think there are different endings and like different things. I just was at
a point where I completed one and it's like, oh, I don't know
if I want to go, like I didn't remember if I took like a
right, left or middle. I didn't want to buy chance, like take
the same pass. I was like, okay, I maybe we'll jump back
into this like another time. So it was interesting enough, and I appreciate
the shadow drop, but I don't also think it's a good enough that's gonna
get people talking a bunch. But because it was free and I was interested
in the tray, I thought I'll give a try. And I liked enough
what I play in nice. I like the like that you're using your phone
as like the flashlight in this game. Yeah, and it goes in and
out and stuff like that, which also I appreciate because I at first when
I saw that didn't like that. I thought, oh, that could be
annoying, but it's not always out all the time, So I appreciate that
you kind of had some vibes going on. So yeah, uh, why
is this game free? In your opinion? Is it a good idea that
like we're trying to make people Silent Hill fans? It just feels like I
think, so, wouldn't you do that with maybe more because it sounds like
the game is kind of just yeah, it's fine, it's all right,
Like I don't know if this's like, is this making you be like,
man, I gotta go back and check out the Silent Hole catalog and I
can't wait for this remaking out and all this stuff. No, not really
like it's I think it is designed just to get out there because Sign and
Hill has been dead for I don't know so how long, Like I feel
like it's been a good minute. So I think it's just that. And
I think maybe it's something that they put it. I'm not gonna say it's
unfinished, but maybe they thought, ah, we put a right amount of
funds into it, let's stop here, or maybe they could have put a
little bit more and got over that edge, because the other thing I forgot
to mention too is there's literal cut scenes with human actors in here, not
video game character human actors, so it's like a hybrid thing. So I
feel like maybe that's where they had this idea and went, Okay, this
is the budget, this is where we can get That's where I think it
was always designed to put out this way. I just think that maybe they
could have spent a little bit more to make it bigger. But I think
it's just try to get that name out there because Signed Hill has been dead
for so long. I think it's tough because it just has that like the
legend of John Hammer's Sword as pt like that's always gonna be, you know,
the one who got away, right, and we'll talk about it.
But I'm not a Signed Hill guy. But that remake foished me. That
didn't sell me and my feed, which A'm not saying still with Sign Hill
people, but the people that had were fans or played Silent Hill didn't seem
like they were responding too positively to it either. So I just think that
I don't know, I don't know what the path is for sign Hill,
but that's the thing. It's just to get their name out there, just
to get in the zeitgeistuff. Oh, Silent Hill's back, you know,
mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. So speaking along with that Silent Hill two,
which we knew this was in development, I don't think we've seen it.
Maybe we've got a teaser. I guess. I think that Teeserman have
only been like a cinematic two as well. Yeah, like this seems like
the first time I have actually seen this in the flesh. So a couple
of things. So we know Blueber Team is working on this. Blueber Team
previously did The Medium, which came out I want to say two or three
years ago, which was like an Xbox horror game that yeah, I was
it was. I didn't actually end up playing it, but it seemed like
it was it was okay, or even some people didn't like it very much.
So I think from that perspective, big Silent Hill fans are maybe a
bit concerned or worried, like, ah, why is this team working on
this remaking of if they're being very faithful and just trying to make it one
to one with updated graphics and maybe new quality of life stuff. Then I
think you're in you know, good hands there, Like it's not like that
medium game was broken or anything and just to blow people away. So I
think that's probably fine, and I, you know, for them, I
hope that this is a really really well done remake because I also, yeah,
Silent Hills a huge blind spot for me, especially Silent Hill two is
the one that I think people praise is like one of the at least their
favorite in the series and one of their favorite games of all time. So
I definitely want to go back and check it out, and this seems like
a great time to do it. And so hopefully this remake comes out and
is pretty good, and I think that that would be huge for Bluebird Team,
that would put them on this whole other course for their studio. But
I mean, yeah, my first impression here is that, like, okay,
I've been playing these Resident Evil remakes and they look fucking amazing, and
then I see this and it's like, this looks like an Xbox One,
maybe Xbox like late three sixty game, Like I don't know. I got
to see more of it, for sure, but I wasn't I wasn't blown
away, and just seeing the gameplay in the story, I also was like,
yeah, I don't know if I'm really that compelled by this world and
this this gameplay and all that. So I don't know what it is about
something. I don't know if it's the story that people love, if it
is the gameplay, if it is the horror elements, just the whole aesthetic.
I'm not exactly sure what it is people love about this game, just
because it has been kind of niche and gone for a while. But I
hope this ends up being really great because this would be a really good time
for me to jump into the series for the first time. I don't think
it's gonna be really great. I just just from that vibe, and that's
where I just when I brought the budget think it's it's just because there's been
stuff with Konami and they've been known as like and not in a mean way,
just like pay pinchers or they're just like they've yeah, been like a
garbage publisher for the last year, so that's few years. That's why I
just feel like with this game, it's like, oh, it feels like
something could have been there. It's like a fun, small experience, and
like it's had fun enough. It's not like if I scammed me, like,
oh, like a six out of ten, like so it'd be like
passable. I don't think it's bad, but I feel like there was moments
like oh this actually, I think really could have been something that could have
got a lot of chatter and hype and everything. But yeah, that's where
I we're with this and another game if they always might just go to like,
well, we hit the bare minimum, you know, and that's about
it, Like let's get that out there. And I feel like they see
the success of Resident Evil and they go, oh, well, they're doing
it, so we can do the same thing. But there's a reason those
are so successful because the Resident Evil remix don't feel like they are just pushed
out. Of course, everything is a product, so yeah, of course
everything is a product, but that feels polished and lots of like you said,
love and effort put into them. With son Hill say, I'm not
saying the developers aren't that because I'm su they're working hard. It might just
also be that they are limiting what they have and Konomi may only care to
a certain point. So absolutely and I mean, like the team's just not
as knowledgeable or not as doesn't have as much experience as these resident Evil teams
who have been making these remikes for like so long in making these games,
so they just have I don't know, more repertoire to do that sort of
thing. So, yeah, there you go, there's Silent Hill. I'm
definitely gonna check out short message whenever I get my PS five, that'll definitely
be on the download list. There, let's take our first break and then
we'll get into more of this state of play. Okay, So next up
was Judas. Yeah, so Judas is a game from the original creator of
BioShock, Ken Levine, So the original BioShock and then I guess BioShock Infinite
he came back for, and then for a few years now he's been building
up his studio here and this is the game that they've been working on,
and it looks a lot like BioShock. We've seen it before. I think
we got a little bit more gameplay here than we have previously. It's so
similar to BioShock. So I'm really just looking at that as my frame of
reference in terms of the kind of world. It seems more whimsical, I
would say that BioShock more whimsical than horror, though there is still quite a
lot of horror elements to it. But just in terms of like the character
design, absolutely, it feels like the enemies you see if BioShock was,
like if the horror genre was, if you were to list off here,
what are the three genres that was maybe one? I feel like that might
be the third now instead of before. I think you're right on the whimsical
aspect. Yeah. Yeah, And in terms of like I this, this
trailer did not grab me on a story front, I'm probably gonna check this
game out for sure. I really enjoyed going back to BioShock one. That
game stood up the test, stood the test of the time, and I
played it a couple of years ago for the first time. Uh, really
interested in this, but I don't know if this trailer really blew me away.
Uh Yeah, the story, I don't really know much about it yet,
but I'm sure the gameplay will be fun. And it's kind of got
like the hand plasmids like BioShock has, so it feels very similar to that.
So yeah, looking looking forward to it. I don't even think we
got to release date here, So I don't know if I really needed this
trailer at this point in time. Yeah, I'm surprised. I thought they
might get it or even like a window or something like that, but uh,
yeah, I just this comes from the worst person because I've never one
day will I've never played a BioShock game, and I don't know why because
I'm a horror guy. But there was just something there that I guess just
didn't grab me. As like Emil squa, I had to get this game
right and then the same thing here. But this is me speaking completely the
minority, because I feel like most of my feed and people I know seem
very excited about this game, where this is like the inject in my veins.
I feel like people are very excited to see like his Fault. It's
very like we're very much in this era. I think even for directors to
like for movies and then video games, where you see they work with a
company, want to make something but can't and it's like the spiritual success,
right. I feel like we're getting a lot of that. So I'm happy
for those fans that love those original Bioshot or the original Bioshot game and you're
kind of getting somebody that's making their equivalent to that, but also with like
I'm not saying they had shackles before, but really the shackles off because it's
their deal, right, Like it's this, and that can be a good
thing or bad thing because sometimes other people's visions on something else might enhance it.
So for me personally, I just haven't been I haven't been hooked yet
because I know people are really hyped. And I understood why people really hyped
the first go around because it was just that announcement and the developer and the
person behind it. But Okay, this makes sense if you like that,
you like that, And I was like, okay, maybe, and I
think there were rumors this was going to be here, So it's like I'm
kind of waiting to get that hype and maybe I just have to go at
some point and play that first Biostruk, which is all on my bucket list,
and then I might just be like that full euphoria moment of like,
oh, once I play that, I see this. But as like a
mainstream guy or like a casual I guess that hasn't played those games, that
doesn't have much interest, it still hasn't got me to be like, Okay,
I got to jump in there. My biggest comparison always was elem Ring
right. For some reason, I had no interest in those games before,
but something about that lead up in the market is like, hey, I
want to dip my toes. This isn't this hasn't got me yet. I'm
keeping my toes dry right now. So yeah, I mean, I feel
like you got that trilogy to go back to still, like, I don't
think you need a rush after this one. BioShock one held it really well.
BioShock two I enjoyed as well. I think I was. I was
maybe just like a bit burnt out because I played them like back to back
and like the Biostok two is a lot more combat, and I was just
like a burnt out by the end of the experience. And then so I
still have Infinite on my back log. I'll get to it at some point,
but I want to give myself a break to recharge, but I probably
do it soon because I want to do that and then maybe jump into Judas
here. So we'll keep it on that one. Next up, we saw
a couple VR games, so I was really curious going into this state of
play, what the display would be for VR. Because that headset came out
like close to a year ago. Now I feel like there hasn't been a
ton of releases for it, at least from Sony pushing things out. It's
more third party stuff and that's what these two games are. But the first
one they had was Metro Awakening, which is a VR exclusive Metro game,
and I thought this was great. I think it looked amazing, looked really
really solid from a VR perspective. It looked like a really well put together
Metro game. Now, maybe it's like only two hours long and that's the
catch or something, but I think it looked awesome, and I think this
was a really good kind of level of an IP for them to get.
You know, maybe that's not necessarily gonna sell a headset, but like you
know, if you want, like there to be a God of War game,
and that's what you get people to buy. But it just seems like
at this point, Sony's investing in VR, but it doesn't seem like they
want a ton of their first party studios to actually be the one to make
those games. And so however much money they'd put into the studio to make
Metro Waking, and I don't know if it's the same team that made some
of these other Metro games. Have to look into that, but I thought
this is a really great showing. There's a jump scaring here that got me
in real time. I was like, oh, it got me good.
So yeah, I was really impressed by that and surprise too. It's not
the kind of IP that I expected. But then when I saw it,
I'm like, oh, this seems actually like a perfect addition to that,
to that platform, I suppose. Yeah, I think you're right where it
looked good, it looked entertaining. It's just tough for me to like always
lock in because I just know I'll never own a VR for stuff like that.
You know. It's like this week called that Apple Vision popping off.
It's like, that's not anything I'm gonna I'm not gonna have, you know,
so, but yeah, it look this looked like something though, like
if someone had it and we were doing during stream, sure I would try
it. But it does look like one of the better ones. Because I
do agree with you where at least this looked dentantained, where I feel like
we've seen many of VR games where you go, Okay, you could maybe,
And I'm not talking about games where it's like, oh, fall forward
now, I'm not talking about games that were like kind of yeah, made
after the fact. Most times they feel gimmicky and no in the sense that
that doesn't mean they're a game, but it just looks like something where I
go, Okay, this would be fun for maybe a day, and then
I'd maybe be down with this. You know. It feels like some of
those like kind of wee games in the past where it's like, oh,
you would only bust us out if you had other people home or around,
so, and a lot of VR games feel like that were this does not
so Yeah. VR's like I just felt like year it was what twenty twenty,
I think when Half Life Alex came out and that game was huge,
a big deal, and I just feel like we haven't had another game even
halfway as intriguing as that has been for just the space of VR. And
that wasn't on I don't think that was on Sony's headset. I think it
was exclusive to whatever whatever Steam one you would use their ocula something like that.
But still I just feel like, yeah, VR has not really thrived
yet. They still released that new headset last year, so obviously they're they're
putting their investing in that space. Uh. The other game we saw was
Legendary Tales, which bad name because I had it in my notes here and
it took me fifteen seconds to remember what the hell was that Legendary Tales.
Legend Tales. But this is the kind of game, honestly that if I
were to get VR, this would be like the day, This would be
like the first game at playoffs. It's just a cheesy looking fantasy game where
you go around just smashing skeletons and then topple over the place and you got
your skilterure there, you get different spells, and you just have all these
fun fantasy tools and it doesn't seem like there's much to the story or level
design. It's just you just get to do funny stuff and smash skeletons and
other fantasy creatures. So it seems like a lot of fun. At one
point, he like did like the Captain America like shield throw or bounced off
a bunch of enemies, and like that would be so much fun in VR.
I've never played VR, so I have to imagine I imagine that it'd
be super fun in VR. So that's coming out February eighth, looks really
solid. Yeah, I think for that audience, like they'll enjoy that.
But once again, not a system seller, so maybe a weird one.
And I don't know if they mean maybe they needed like a couple more just
like quick hits, quick little like sizzle, real stuff to show off the
platform. But maybe it's just that's the only two games you have to show
a year in I don't think we've got many other announcements over the year,
so it's a little little small. Yeah, I just don't know what you
it's. I would not know if the if they are come to me and
say, hey, we won't even the PlayStation president, what do you do
with this thing? It's like, well, like I oftuly I wouldn't invest
it, but you've already invested money in it, so you should definitely try
to like give it some more life. But then I don't know, I
think you're right, whereat made some quick hits, something bigger Maybe Metro could
be that, But I don't know. It's it's it's weird to lem to
have. It's it's just a weird spart because that I even think back to
like the Vita, and I feel like why they kind of sunset those handheld
consoles is because they just ultimately it wasn't worth having like Naughty Dog or someone
make this Vita game. Yeah, it makes more sense keep them on the
PlayStation stuff. And that's where the portal makes sense for people who are into
that, because now you have that handheld version. Of course it's not the
same as a Vita, but now you can just play the same games that
you're playing on your PlayStation. So it seems like we're getting a bit of
the same situation here where there's isn't that so many push from like from those
studios itself, And I think they've acquired a couple of studios that mostly make
VR things, and so maybe we just have to wait and see what those
games do. Obviously, we did get Horizon last year, but that didn't
seem to blow the roof off. It's a decent launch title, I suppose,
but yeah, it's still very curious to see what they do because it's
still very early on in that consoles life cycle about it. So I think
that they're gonna have a few more big heavy hitters next up Dragon's Dogma two
is kind of a reminder it's coming out March twenty second. I don't think
there's much we need to talk about here. I feel like we talked about
this game, or at least on sidequest, I've talked about a lot because
I was playing the first game recently and I was talking to Kirkling about it,
so I think it continued looks amazing for me. I just have to
definitely wait and see what kind of changes they're making from the first game,
because I've not necessarily loving that first one a whole lot, but this one
just visually looks really, really fun, so I do want to play.
It's just ninety dollars is hard to justify these days. So yeah, probably
not a day one for me unless all the reviews are amazing and the issues
that I have for the first game have been remedied in this one, which
I don't know. It might just be more of the same, maybe that
audience once. I don't know. Yeah, I got nothing. I haven't
totally experienced the first one. I don't know enough of it, but I
I can't remember who has it. I hope it reviews terribly. That's my
only thing I have it because I don't think I have it, so that's
all, Yeah, who has it? I think it's Taylor. I feel
like, yeah, Taylor, he needs to lose. So same day,
March twenty second is Rise of Ronin So yeah this, uh, I mean
you are huge Ghosts of Ashima fans. I feel like, now we know
how this game is different. How are you feeling about this as a big
ghost fan? Not? For me, this one is not. I think
it's tough because we haven't heard much, but we just I'm just waiting for
them to reveal Ghosts because I just always feel like it's right around the corner,
but we've still not gotten anything about it. I don't mean right around
the corners for his release, but just like that cycle to start, like
like any state of play, any big award show. I'm waiting for,
like that teaser and like, oh Gin's back whenever. And I think it's
also tough because if it was like, hey, Ghosts of Shima two had
some bumps through, it's gonna be like another five years. This fall,
we got the Assassin's Screed game coming out. That's like a Japan Ninja Samurai
Ronan sort of deal, right, so there's just something where we had talked
about this before, we're okay, when it needs to come out, it
needs to hit, and it does look different, but I guess it looks
different in the sense of it almost reminds me of Ghost of Tsushima. When
you and I had seen it, we thought all looked beautiful, but the
first reveal, I don't think you and I were completely sold on it,
right, and then we had no idea what the actual game struggle was.
We just thought it esthetically, it looks good. So that's why I was
waiting for this, and I was waiting to see, Okay, what's it
gonna do? And I think it went the other way, not in the
sense of like it looked like a bad game, because I get why it's
different. There's you know, those type of some weird like it's definitely way
more supernatural, i'd say than Ghost of Shima. Goes Stu Shima has hints
of it, but they have like these bigger bosses that are not like a
you know, Soul's type, but like I feel like that's like, no,
it reminds me of it feels like Star Wars, Jedi, Fallen Order,
whatever the hell their names are where it's like a Souls for dummies and
that sort of sense of like, oh, this is like an easier version
of that. So yeah, it's just kind of like, if I want
to do that, I'll wait for EL and Ring DLC or for that.
And it's not exactly like that, So you haven't seen that. Don't think
I'm over hyping it that way. I think it's more like the Star Wars
route, And yeah, I guess it just didn't hook me, and it,
I will be honest, and maybe it's a bias. I would have
needed a lot to hook me, because even Assassin's Screen, We've said this
too many times where it's like we were all itching for that, but when
Ghosts came out, it's like, well that kind of scratched that itch,
and we know that there's gonna be a ghost to at some point. So
I just kind of have like, unless I hear great things from you or
someone else that plays it, that slot's kind of already taken in my life
right now, and I'll wait unless something look great because I played multiple of
different types of games, right and just for me, it's not that didn't
look great, just didn't look like the type of game that I would be
enjoying the sense of the same thing, like you said, dropping ninety dollars
or something like that, that's not the case. Maybe down the road,
sure, but yeah, it's And I was kind of hoping for it because
there's not too much I got on the PlayStation right now, but it just
wasn't didn't didn't enthrall me, like I was kind of hoping. Mm hmm,
yeah, yeah. I think my big question here was how are they
going to differentiate this game from ghost and even Seco specifically. And I'm glad
you brought up Sastry Read because I kind of forgot about that, But like
that could come out later this year, so maybe it's good. That's right.
Maybe that's good that this game kind of is squeezing out before that releases.
But I do think they answered my question, and I don't think it's
there's there's just a bunch of little things that seemed different, But overall this
does seem like a kind of Ubi soft open world sort of game, which
Ghosts Shreama was, but I feel like Ghosts took a much more artistic approach.
And maybe I'm just like a fanboy the game or something defending it.
It feels it got more open at the end, but it felt like it
feels like it's like an open world linear game, which feels odd, but
it does feel like that a bit more sense where ire with the But there
were certain things like you know, you kind of start at the start of
this trailer, we're in like this huge city and there's all sorts of stuff
to go see. The technology seemed to be a lot more advanced than we
are in Ghosts Era, which I think is good for the game. But
just like cruising around the city, which honestly it looked a lot like Spider
Man where you have this grapp swinging up to a roof and then you have
like a glider, which you know they added Spider Man two, and so
you're just kind of gliding around this city like you can't really do that in
Ghosts Like that does seem fun. The movement seems great. That's a nice
addition there. There's there's handguns in here, which I know when we're talking
about a Vowed you were like not a fan of the guns in that,
so I feel like you're gonna have the same feeling with the guns here.
It would be my no I want to play like I want bow and arrows
or darts. More about the bow and arrow, but my gun fill,
you know, it at least is a way it differentiates it. And then
one thing I was curious about is at one point the character's running player character,
and then there's like you have like this whole squad of other samurai dudes
running with you, and so it seems like maybe there's a bit more of
like a party element to it, or you can go do raids and bringing
all not coal, but yeah, bringing all, Yeah, I guess,
so bring in all these other people to come battle with you. But you're
all just running around like it looks fun and maybe a bit more goofy,
a bit more lighthearted perhaps than Ghosts Eving Ghost is a pretty intense story as
well, Right, so this looks more fantastical and sense of like it's a
I won't say like a Disney Sect is obviously much more like a hardcore combat
game, whereas this game seems to have like a little bit of everything in
that way. So I think this is definitely gonna find its audience. And
yeah, I I I want to I think I want to play it someday.
But I'm still yeah, definitely, I'm same as you, or I
don't. This is not necessarily my favorite setting, and I thought that that
fixed with Ghosts that was gonna last me for years at this point. And
yes, ghost To within a year two probably right, So I don't know
if I necessarily want this right away? Do you think do you think like
release within a year or revealed within a year? The game came out twenty
twenty right, summer twenty right, yeah, and then Legends a few months
later, So yeah, like twenty twenty five seems totally viable for me if
it is like a pretty straight ahead sequel. Oh man, I was really
hoping this year because next year is just getting really really stuffed. Like that
would be crazy, this game they had a thousand streed end Ghosts two in
the same calendar year. Would actually that'd be pretty wild, that'd be uh
yeah, that'd be over. That's interesting because I'm still now that we get
these games, like Destrandon was a big question for me. Now it's not
coming out this year, so I'm like my eventual date of buying the PS
five keeps going back and back, and there's not that one thing that I
need, But Ghost two would be that thing I think. I mean,
I said that about Spider Man two and I changed my mind. So we'll
just see what happens. Yeah, that could do it. Yeah, that's
just yeah, I hope there's some I don't think it would be this year.
I was hoping this because I think this would have been the start unless
they really really want to rush the release. But already, just for me,
the Bengal Card of Stranding, Grand Theft, Auto and Ghosts, that's
like, that's not great run, that's not that's to me because that's a
that's a big time sunk, especially with like online. They could have that
ready to go right away, right, And I've said before like I'd love
when online's here for us to really like I want I want us to have
a gang of people. I want to keep frisking onto some heyps cause I
feel like we like when we when we all met, that was like not
like it felt like it was all it was around but too late. Yeah,
right, even though that game is still huge, but the hype kind
of died. So I want like a GV high like so I just feel
like that's a game that I know I'm in a single lot of hours into
so I just feel like we'll talk about desk Stranny. I think the dates
of these games are all very key because I think also a lot of these
games are gonna want to stay out of the way of Grand Theft Atto,
because I think if you drop ghosts anywhere near Grand Theft Autto, I think
that actually hurts its sales, and maybe they actually bump into like early twenty
twenty six or something. I don't know, you know, right right,
possible until Delane's getting a PS five version. You're a fan of this game,
any interest in going back to it with this new version of all the
bells and whistles, No, because I'm much like there's a great I'm not
sure if you've seen the meme, but they like had the side by sides
of the Killer and it's like it's updated and the graphics are updated. But
with this one, they like gave the Killer like eyeballs instead of like a
blank slate, so it's like they're doing like little changes. I'll have to
find it for you. Okay. I still have not played the original one,
so it's hard for me to Okay, Oh yeah, it's just like
it's just like a scary mask Luckily, so it's not I'm not spoiling anything.
If you haven't played, I think you definitely should go back, especially
I'm not sure what they're gonna charge. I guess it's any of these games
really, from my god, what it I forget Super super Massive? No?
Yeah, no, I think it is. Yeah, No, I'm
so I won't be getting this because it's it's weird with those type of games
I kind of have like a one play and done, Like there's I don't
know what the baroma is for games like Nights or Republic that I will play
over and over and do all these different endings to some games where it's like
I played the one journey and I want that to be my only journey,
and this is one of those games. So no, for me, it's
more like, man, that's even with bald is gay right now? I'm
like, yeah, I think I'm just maybe just gonna do one long play
through rather than doing a bunch of mini ones is Yeah. So yeah,
it's it's weird what games I choose to do that for another is why I
don't. Yeah, So for me, I don't have a reason to go
back to that yet. I on my list, have the Quarry, which
I want to hit up. I know Taylor's a big fan, and I
know you talk about there's some aspects you could play with your sniffing other because
I think now it's probably cheaper, so I want to. So this,
to me is just what many have speculated. This was because there's a movie
coming out, have that game ready. It's the same reason as Last of
Us, which is a smart move, Like that's the reason I think they're
remaking these games and see these like ast of Us too, because season two
is coming out next year, Like that is smart for if anybody watches the
movie and for some reasons like a mini type of gamer or anything, be
like, oh, we could play the game online, Like I think that's
where they're releasing it, so maybe you missed it. But I just don't
feel like it's like one of the bigger titles where it's like, oh if
you missed until Donald. It's like I feel like that could still be just
on the PlayStation plus like rental Serve and be fine. Like it did not
feel like Last of Us were like you need a big redo of it,
So yeah, fair enough, Yeah, I mean, I I don't think
I have a problem going back to that OG one. I don't know if
I need this remake. Yeah, depending on what the price is. I
mean, I might even just go to that original one. But obviously I've
still haven't got to it after all these years, so I'm not not fiend
in for it. Next up, I guess the last thing here was Death
Stranding two, So I'm gonna have the trailer up here and you can tell
me to pause if you want, and I won't necessarily go frame by frame,
but it's a good one to have some visual accompaniment for if you're on
the YouTube version here, So deak Rand two on the beach. Anyone can
go back and listen to a review. We both loved this game, this
first game so so much, had a great time with it. What did
you think of this this new showing for it here? I thought it was
really good. There's a lot going on. It's like what you and I
talked about where it's even if someone that loved and played the game, I
definitely need a refresher of all the story points because it's not like, oh
it's been song. They throw a lot at you. There's tons of characters.
There's tons of character developments. Yeah, there's lots of flashbacks, there's
lots of lore, so there's stuff where it's like, man, there is
a lot to refresh here. So I think it was a good showing.
I think this does the great thing of just they're just like showing off Fujima's
brain. You know, he's when we talk about before. I always say
he's like the Nol and the Ariost, like Robert Eggers, where it's like
you know you're gonna get something, and even then it's like, Okay,
I'm gonna get death stranding too, and it's gonna be more about Sam's story.
But little stuff like you have the clip up right now, just even
this like thing or lad to do his mouth of like this idea of like
these had. Yeah, so I'm you want to take over for a second.
I'm enjoying what I'm seeing so far sounds good. We have some disturbances
in the forest here, but you know, I'm in the same boat because
I feel like what we've got so far has been pretty sparse here there,
and this was really our first It felt like more of a deep dive.
And I still have so many questions, as I do anytime, and you
know, inherently a death strand like, I don't think we're ever gonna be
on that hype level that we were for that first game, just because of
how weird those trailers were and we didn't know anything of what was going on.
But now that this is an established world, an established gameplay, it's
not gonna be quite as exciting. But I still had a really good time
going through this and just thinking about trying to theorize on what some of these
scenes could mean, Like why even Sam is gray or blue in this?
Yeah, and is like just over his mouth? Yeah, Like I don't
know what's going on here. It's very very bizarre, but you know,
in a good way. And Destrenning is one of those things where after playing
it all this stuff, it's like you never know what's real, what's a
vision, what's a combo of them? Right? So the same thing here
when you're talking about like this great, it's like, like, what is
going on? Is this some sequence where they're not in the same place but
they're telepathically lenked, like you never know? And it is interesting because I
feel like, maybe I won't want to speak for you, I feel like
you agree, but I think the most common conception was this was good as
being like a one and done like that. DLC was good, like,
oh we had some more that was just like some more action stuff. So
it's like, okay, cool scratch if it was a one and done for
sure, right. So that's where it's just like it's not that it needs
to go and like, uh, give us a reason to exist, but
it is like okay for me what I consider like a perfect story, Like
obviously there's a lot of wild stuff, but just felt like the door could
be closed. Where do you go from there? And I think there's good
and bad things. I know people are loving this puppet character, so I
like that. But I love that he has like a lower frame rate than
the rest of the game. It looks so cool. I think that's very
cool. I do worry from like A because I think gameplay wise, I
guess I'm we're I don't know. I'm trying to come in this with an
open mind because I I'm coming in with this that I don't think I will
love this as much as the first one, because I feel like there's multiple
instances where they're trying to hint that it is going to be more action like
and between the DLC between just certain things they show in here. That's one
thing, and I do love when Kajima gets weird, but that is one
thing that happens in Middle Gear where there'll be times where, just like when
you're playing one to if you ever get to five, there's just some jumps.
We're like, man, this is wild. And that's where I like
def Stranding because it's like, oh, we can do this. But I
think for me, the tone of that felt like a very horror, sci
fi alien type of out there where we'll get to it coming up. But
I really did not like the sequence of Troy Baker with the guitar, and
the Internet loved that. They're just like, oh that's kang Man. He's
great, and I do love that, but I almost would like that in
like a different world or something where I feel like the deaf Stranding that I
had in my mind in the world and the vibe of that first game,
I don't see anywhere where a guitar that shoes lightning would a fit and that
would have made sense right now. This could be many sequels, TV shows,
games do that where it's like, hey, the sequel, we're gonna
got a different route. With the tone, and I'm not saying it's like
slapsticky, really joky, but I just feel that there's some stuff where I
want to, oh, is he gonna go like two kuji or just like
some of that stuff that might invade this one that I think is not right
for this world. I'm loving you gotta paus here the landscapes a different ride,
because we had talked about that too, like what are you gonna do?
And sometimes you don't think about the obvious. I love that they're just
like, well, we're shipping you off to another part of the world.
I was like, well, Dow, why didn't even think about that because
I was like, oh, where are you gonna go? But like you
see a bunch of snow here, you see desert, So it's like,
right, he's just gonna go. He's gonna be dropped somewhere in a whole
different like country continent. That works. So yeah, I think I'll still
enjoy it. But I do have some a few concerns of what's going on,
But I trust in Kajima and I think I'll still at least base like
it. There might be might be some things that I go, ah,
I don't know if that worked for me, but I want to see the
full context and maybe this is just the world evolving, right, So yeah,
no, I mean honestly, just huge exciting part for me with this
is you know, it's very divisive. Do you like the gameplay of death
straining That was a big question at the time. Oh yeah, it's very
minimalist. It's really just your your delivery guy. That there is combat if
you want to engage with that. But it was so intimidating and scary to
me that, like I almost never did it in my sixty hours of that
game. But I love that gameplay. I love micromanaging all the backpack space
and clipping things on my on my legs and worrying about all these different environments
in terms of how he's gonna react or throw my balance off. Like,
I found that gameplay so engaging. So when I see shots like this and
I see that we're gonna be in a desert, and I'm like thinking about
all the ways that's gonna change the physics of this game. At some point
we see a river, I'm gonna keep that. Oh my god, that
is good. That just looks like that, Ben Affleck mean where it's like
the sound of silence. When they showed that river, I was like,
I'm gonna lose so much stuff in there. Yeah, because right, yeah,
it was like barely down chasing you like I like water physics and games
is something that feels like it jumps so minimally between console generations. But this,
for the first time looks like some damp like avalanches with huge rocks pilot
down like that going to be. I hope that's more than just a story
beat, and this isn't some specific cut scene. I would love if that
was just something you had to worry about, like avalanches and whatnot. Right,
that'd be great if they set up an area like let's say they do
this as the cut scene, but if there is an area where it's like,
oh, you could take this path and it'll be faster, but there
is a chance if you go the wrong way it causes an avalanche or something
like that. So that's the thing where for me, I agree with you.
That's where that's what I want. I want the same simulation. Like
you said, there's lots of other thing like that, and that's fine.
At least I feel like people know what they're in for. But that's what
I don't want. Where I did see that, and like I said in
the DLC, I don't want to get too action y. I don't want
to get too much because even then, like the character of Baker says,
I'm like, oh, you trade that up for a gun, It's like,
I hope there's not too much of that where it's like this whole sequence
is just you kicking ass. I'm find a couple of those, but I
mean, like if it's if it's more of I feel like in the first
game that was almost like a eighty five fifteen where there's like fifteen percent action,
and that to me was like great. I I think I'm fine if
it gets to like twenty the most, but I don't want them to go
too hard to be like, well, people didn't love that aspect, so
let's add a bit more of that metal gear esque like of the newer games
where it's like you're snaking go around. It's like, no, I don't
want that. I want what you said is similar game play, but different
areas. Deserts, the water, Like how much stuff do we lose in
just regular water in that game? Now imagine a little tidal waves or stuff
like you know, like you said, the desert, like that'd be great.
I like, okay, I could take this path and be faster,
but if I do it, I could lose everything the desert like you said,
just even though it's like a mini like quicksand who knows. But uh
again, though, that's something where I know we're in for something special.
It's while he's compared to Nolan because you pause on a perfect spot like this.
This just looks incredible. It's a shot of Sam. There's a gigantic
moon. Yeah, like it, Kagema, You're always gonna get something very
memorable. And I have no doubts here that maybe if I don't even love
his first game, there's gonna be some great great stuff in here. So
I did go from being like do we need this to the trail and be
like, okay, you've sold me on this need to exist. I'm very
excited to see where we go because just the locations and set pieces are looking
really great right now, really really intriguing. Yeah, like what is going
on in this shot because I've never seen the moon that big in my time
on this on this Earth. But it also looks like you're on the surface
of the moon based on like the rocks that we're seeing around here, So
I don't know what's going on, but I'm like, that's like that's a
huge question. What's that thing in the sky there? Yeah, that's like
what is that? I'm guessing we're gonna see flying creatures? Like do you
think there's a chance that we even because they're talking about like is that ending?
Is there a chance we go into space if we leave Earth? Like
I think there's a high chance that happens in this game. It's like this
shot makes me think that. But this also could be like some weird trippy
realm sequence, right, And that's like a classic thing to put in a
trailer. We see the strands out there too, in the in the distance,
and yeah, this hand enemy which is just you know, ripped out
of Elden Ring there, which you know, like to your point, like
that does seem like something that I would not associate with that stranding in terms
of the kind of combat that we're dealing with here. So is that us
going more towards that action you comment? Of course there is big action set
because its against huge bosses in my first game, So maybe that's just like
Troy Baker for example. Right, that's one where and that's where I'm fine.
We're in the middle portion. He's a very action y like you're jumping
from place to place. You got George Miller, a mad Max director,
so that's great because he's been spawn spanning and that he's been working with them.
But yeah, like you, and that's what I'm fine with. I'm
fine. I'm not saying I want no action whatsoever. It's just I don't
want to lose that spirit and truck. Yeah, and that's why I do.
Like they are showing a lot of locations, so I think it's still
at the base. They're gonna go with what you love of the game,
because I don't think that's what they should go with. Kajima has O D.
He has a third game. I feel like, if you want that
Kajima espinage thing, which we'll get to, he's gonna scratch that inch for
you. You know, like I don't need that here. This is something
else. So but uh, and even these landscapes of where all these like
I can't remember what they're called, these dead things in the Yeah, I
know, I gotta, like I said to you, I gotta do a
whole like catch up watch video because I'm not gonna play that game again because
it's a long, long game and stuff, and I want to wait for,
uh, the scratch match with this. But yeah, there's a location
earlier too where they were all hanging from the sky and it was like very
red, very like the Batman asthetic. It's like, oh, I'm digging
this so and you got this Troy Bak character. It was pretty much just
a joker ripped off, you know. So he definitely feels it. But
I also he has major ziggy stardust energy, especially with absolutely which I like
that part of it. I see where you're coming from. I don't.
I don't love this scene, but I don't hate it yet either, so
I think I just have to wait and see how it comes across in the
game. But yeah, Troy Baker definitely chewing the scenery. And it's it's
fun to see his character of Higgs come back because he was a highlight for
me for sure in that first game. I mean, I liked pretty much
every character in that first game, so it's hard ye wrong, and that
was great. We were talking about after in the discord he drops a line
and that's where even story aspects like you made have mentioned and I think it's
good that they're dropping things. And he says about all you killed lou and
as we were talking about that was the name of his unborn child, and
his child now I think the end this trailer showing a fuller rome babies and
sitting away and that baby is alive. But that's what I say, and
a Dylan prately that that's another story beat. If they for some reason we
pick up and his shot has been killed because they didn't want to bring a
full child on a mission, that will be another ding for me, because
like I didn't want to play this game that was forty rs plus, we
went on this huge journey like that, like it won't spoil, but like
the moment with the baby, like where the resolution is, it feels so
well earned, and it just feels like, man, this is beautiful storytelling.
If they do those tropes, which we see that all the times in
games, TV show sequels, where it's a port love interest, someone important
and they died off screen and it's our character recovering from that, I really
hope it's not that. But then the implications of what he had something to
do with the death of his unborn child from like before the first game,
Like, now, that's a whole back Like that's a huge backstory of like
where does that even begin? So that's where it wasn't interesting line to specifically
drop. And yeah, that stuff for me, I get why pure loving
it though, I get why people are enjoying you know what's funny. I
just the timing of this is is is interesting. I'm just a boss,
but I just didn't meddlegear solid too is like this huge rail gun electric gun.
I mean it's not a guitar, but it's like, yeah, you
can definitely see that he dips back into his back catalog of ideas, revisiting
some certain things. Yeah, and there's always like a through line there too,
Right, I feel like it's very nol and Tarantino, where it's like
you always see something of themselves in the work. So I think, I'm
like you that you made a good point that I'll have to see it in
the story and maybe it makes a lot more context. But m hmm,
yeah, that could be a character I'm happy to get killed off. But
Troy Baker, so he'll be around a lot. So and he got killed
the first game, right, my spoils he's back. So yeah, and
like you have like the fighting game sequence against him, like remember that,
yeah, kind of like a two D fighter. Yeah. Yeah, so
this is we see a little bit of the baby here and he adds a
bigger it's a bigger baby. Still baby with a bigger baby. Uh yeah,
I don't know what else. Oh yeah, we both we both talked
about this also in Discover. Just like Death Straining two on the Beach.
Really you did that after the rumors saw that. I really really hate that
title. It just does not roll up the tongue. It's not gonna ruin
my day or anything, but it just it's not a great sounding title.
Unfortunately, I will say at least this for me is better than when the
rumor it was just gonna be called DS two because I always thought that's a
terrible title, no one will understand. But Death Stranding on the Beach is
not. It's not great. Here's the thing thematically, that to me is
a great chapter title in a game where it's like chapter five on the beach.
And it makes sense right because there is a huge sequencepecially near the end
that is taking place on the beach. There's a lot of beach aspects in
the first game, so it completely makes sense thematically. It's just not a
great title and they should just went with Death Stranding two. But I digress.
M we saw el Fanning here her character who When I first watched this
trailer, I thought it was Elizabeth Olson and I was popping off for that
because that would be just such a surprise actor to appear in here. But
I'm sure she's great too, I don't I feel like we should maybe on
the video game draft next year, even if it's just three. We should
do like a mini draft of like we draft actors that could appear in video
games like that. I feel like that'd be a fun Like I said that,
Yeah, we should do that because I don't know if we get to
fall, you know, we could get to far like it happens so much
nowadays, right, Like who was it, Like Matthew McConaughey is gonna be
in a game? Like I feel like there's so much stuff in el fan
Year. Yeah, and she's been somebody that same thing as George Miller,
So clearly Destrang has been working on for a while. Those who had been
over Kajima's Twitter a bunch the past year, so that's where it's like,
finally it makes sense. But then there were some people that thought el Fanny
was gonna be in the ode game because it's just like there's other funeral actors
in a similar age. So it's funny that I don't know, like Jordan
Peel popped up. I don't know if there's anyone else that hasn't popped up,
But everybody that is on his timeline somewhere pops up in a game,
whether it's working with them in the game, fun puzzle piece like which which
project are they part of? Exactly. So if we're doing the draft and
for that in the future and we see an actor pop up his feet,
we know we got it, you know, we know it's all done.
Place to go. Yeah. I will say one other thing too, not
that it's a big thing, but Kajima did confirm it that Matts Michelson is
not back for this game. He said he want to set expectations and he
just said that because he just felt like Cliff's story, like Cliffs referred to
this game. They talk about him, but the story was so kind of,
you know, perfectly knit that he like there's no reason to bring him
back. So I kind of feel that it was smart because there's a little
campaign if people be like, oh, where's Mads? Is he get because
big character, right and you get theorycraft. But I think it was all
pretty smart for me, like absolutely not like that story is done with and
I think that's good. You know, it's like because I'm sure you could
revisit for something but very similar where that felt like a very close story.
So Kuldjiba is good that way, and I'm very I am very excited.
I gues said, I'm nervous about the release date because I do not want
to get to the state where we are very stuffed and it just said twenty
twenty five. I was convinced. I thought it was gonna be fall this
year, So I really don't know, like do you have any working theory
when you think it's gonna be the first game was a November drop. I
always like to think about that and then like studios often don't follow in h
in in lock with that. But yeah, that would seem a little far
away if it was that, because that would be a long time ago.
Is there a chance Q one of next year? Then I'll say so.
I mean, the game's looking pretty solid. This is a big showing and
this it's only was January, I think when the when the state of play
happened, so I could see it being early next year or like first half
of the year for sure. Yeah, I think so, I because I
maybe AMM do you think I'm wrong? And also thinking that that's when GT
is gonna be though too? Uh GTA feels like a fall game to me?
Does it okay? Because did we go over this? I mean it's
different because like I feel like for years it was like November was the month
where you release big games, like every Call of Duty, all these like
franchises released their big titles then, and that's changed a lot, and Q
one is now actually a time where people release big games. That wasn't happening
for years and years and years. So things could change, But I just
feel like with a Rockstar that to me seems like, Nope, we still
do our drop November eleventh or fifteenth, whatever that nearest Thursday ends up being,
and go ahead with that. And you know that's fine because I we've
gone over this. I'll retract this. I for some reason, Mandela affected
myself that GTA five was in the spring, but it was the fall,
and I remember we looking up, so I can't remember if there was like
maybe a trailer that dropped in the spring that year. But yeah, okay,
so I think you're right. And then Destinating to me is like a
perfect I know we talk about November, but I think that's a perfect good
opening year game and stuff, so hopefully. Yeah, And then afterwards,
Kajima and herman Holtz were talking about his another one, not necessarily his next
game, but another project that he's working on, which is a new action
espionage game somehow related to Columbia Pictures. Is going to be a PlayStation game
to some extent. So like, this is obviously very intentional language here and
like all over the box art, because I have this in my living room
now for all the Metal Gear games. When you bootle the game, it
says tactical espionage game. I forget what the third word is, but like
they're obviously they're calling back to that in a very intentional way. So I
think that's a risky thing to do if it's not gonna be a very Metal
Gear solid like thing. But of course, if there is more of a
cinematic flair to it, and maybe that's the difference there, And the gameplay
is similar, and the story is as weird and as all these goofy characters
named deep Throat and all these other stupid characters that are in metal Gear solid.
But yeah, it seems like he's maybe gonna go back to go back
to a little metal gear. It's obviously not gonna be metal gear, but
it'll be his new thing that will be like that. So yeah, we
don't have any footage or anything yet, but yeah, what do you what
do you think of this one? Yeah, I'm I'm interested in a few
ways because he dropped, yeah, your favorite buzzwords of it's a video game
movie experience, which with the game, Yeah, which this one. I
did say that I wonder if it will be more movie than game and vice
versa, because they said that about a bunch before. But then throwing like
this sony like films to like Columbia Pictures logo out there, It's like,
that's it. Like that to me is heavily insinuating there is some big movie
aspects to it. I get it. I still also think kind of like
you that I think he just needs to get off the shitter and just check
the movie. Like, I think that's where maybe this is all leading to.
I'm not saying I want to get away from games, but I just
feel like I feel like he's stuck. That he can get out of your
system. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, and then maybe he's
great they're like fuck then Like, but I think it's that where it's like
he does want to do that, but he also does not want to give
up games development, so I do respect that, so he's trying to find
some middle ground. I don't know what this could be. So this surprised
me in many ways of that aspect, and not so much of him saying
that, but them showing the low and even every time Could Gems tweeted about
it's always been like physn't and it's been the logo. So I'm like,
Okay, what is Sony Pictures doing here? And we're seeing a lot of
video games being turned into shows the movie specifically right now right we're hearing announcement
fake every week of a trailer or something new this is. It surprised me
because the word was just that when he got out of Konamie, it just
felt like we never know, but it just felt like there was rumblings of
he was ready to move on from Middle Gear and that's not what they wanted
for him, so that's what he had to keep doing. And that's why
for PT was such a big deal because like, oh, he's doing something
else and this is where if you ever get to it metal Gear Solid five,
which I do love, and there is weird stuff, but it does
also feel at times where it's like he clearly wants to be making other type
of games and he's like, to me, was shoving other stuff in there,
like, well I can't do that, but I'll put in here.
So for me, I thought that he wouldn't be doing this, Like if
he did this, I thought it'd be even further out. I did not
think he'd want to be doing a tactical stealth espionage right now. I thought
that would be he's as od he has death stranding. I did not have
that on the Bengal card unless it was like some studio bought Konali and they
want him to work on Metal Gear remake or something like. So this one
caught me off guard. So I'm really excited because we have like a nice
little Kajima roadmap. And as much as I always think I know what the
guy's gonna do, stuff like this, like, no, he's again,
like we talked about Judas, this is his gonna be his spiritual successor to
Metal Gear, right, So it will be interesting to see him take all
those years of work and then what he's done on OD and Desk Stranding and
what he's going to do here. I'll be excited to see again when we
do this draft, what actor and actors are gonna be attached to, because
we know it's gonna happen. I'm pulling for Mad's Michelson because I think that'd
be great, like a stealth espionage game of you playing as Matt Nicholson.
I feel like that has like that's the money. Yeah, I just feel
like that's a good one. Maybe it's just Norman again, but yeah,
I think this is a nice roadmap of we're getting Death Stranding. I think
first, I think then we'll get OD and then this, And I kind
of agree with a lot of people's theories that we might have gone the first
PlayStation six game announced here that this might be like that far you know,
it would track and we'll see a long it lasts, but I don't think
it's If you look at when we got that first deaf Stranding trailer, there's
many years before that or in between that, and this isn't even a trailer.
This is just what the game's about and a working title. So that's
where it's like, I think we're pretty far off. But maybe they did
this just so didn't get scooped, because Ode kind of got scooped, right,
so that as they get to make that announcement. So I'm excited because
I'll play anything he does, and I think it's far way out, but
I'll definitely get my fill. So I'm I'm curious he's going back to it,
so I feel like he has something to say, So that's what intrigues
me. I thought he was kind of done with this, so that's where
I'm interesting what this full game is, right, Yeah, I guess I
haven't done the deep dive it. I don't know, like interviews and stuff
where he left Konami and talked about how he wanted too different or go different
direction than what he was doing there, Like I'm not too sure there,
but like maybe they're like, maybe he's doing this because it is something smaller
in that extent, like maybe it is more of a movie in a game,
or it's just compared to something like how girthy a game like Death Stranding
is, and maybe that's how you get setut of a system. And then
I also think it's a really bad idea to market it like this because I
just feel like you're really you're just putting the Metal Gear Solid name on it
pretty much without putting the name on it, and I just think that's a
bit risky. But then when we talked about Death Stranding, like that game
has a ton of stealth in it, It has a lot of action,
like gun play combat if you want it to. There's all sorts of weird
technology like Metal Gear Solid has where there'll be like a five minute sequence of
characters talking about these earpieces, how they talk to each other. It's like,
no one needs that information about Kadima just loves to geek out on this
tech. The game has a ton of commentary on the United States of America,
which is a thing I'm noticing it in Metal Gear. So it's like
Death Stranding is like, I don't know, is it a huge departure,
yes, because you're like hiking a lot in it. I guess that's pretty
different. And there's more. Yeah, there's a lot of things that are
different, for sure. And I mean I haven't played Melgear Solid five,
so I haven't played the most recent games yet. But it's like, I
don't know, it wasn't a huge departure in that way. I guess,
you know, thematically, some of these characters and things, it does feel
like something brand new and cool and interesting, But at the same time,
it's like it's not like he's ventured far from action espionage. Yeah, you
know, to this point, o D seems like the biggest departure, but
we haven't even seen what gameplay looks like, if it even has traditional gameplay.
I agree with you because it's a sense of like, Okay, des
stranding could be this completely new thing, but you're getting Kaujima isms, right.
But what I was gonna ask you is, so obviously you're just making
away through Metal Gear, but you had known like the like the history and
the legacy of as far as like that was. They feel like always talked
about as like a top tier in that type of genre. Phantom Pain comes
out and then he leaves, has anything do you think filled the void,
And that's not me asking rhetorical. It's like, actually, like, do
you think anyone anything's filled the void for metal Gear? Because I think you
are right in a sense where it's maybe not a good idea to set people
up like that, maybe make the game like that, and then when they
get it, it's like, oh, this is kind of like a new
metal Gear because now there's lots of expectations. But is it maybe the reverse
where there's just nothing springs the mind of like the top tier the game that
comes out, because I think what people have been wanting for years, like
a new splinter Cell, and that never happened, right, Like, I
feel like all the games people wanted are brands that are dead, even one
coming back this year with metal Gear. It's like, well that's metal Gear
again. So it's like maybe that's why has anything taken that slot? So
he can literally just come back and say, hey, I'm I'm kind of
taking that back. You know. That would be an interesting bit of research
to do, is just looking like where is the stealth genre as a whole,
because I do feel like there's things in that space, Like of course
Dishonored exists, and that has a trilogy of games that a successful hit Man
is like huge, and that's maybe a closer similarity, but like nothing quite
is doing stealth but then also doing this huge narrative focus and also being like
as weird as coaching is. So I feel like in terms of that spirit,
like Desterraining does seem like, Okay, we're still doing weird characters,
We're still having a crazy story with weird stuff going on. Yeah, I
don't I don't know if there's a game that really puts all the pieces together
like it does. And so maybe because hit Man even you know, Metal
Gear Solid too, I just got to a point where I have to put
like a costume on so I can blend It's like, okay, this is
very hit Man like, and so maybe that's where something like this James Bond
game from them will fill that void. But then like it will definitely not
be as weird on the story side of things. It won't have wacky characters
like you have to have big action set pieces up with Bond two, right,
you got to have your big he's on the top of the car shooting
a tank, you know that type of stuff. So it'll have a lot
of those, maybe similarities, But yeah, I think I think you're right
that there is. I don't know, he's just such a our tour type
creator, right that there's no one really ever making things quite like him as
the vibe I get, so you may even get bits and pieces of it,
but you're never gonna get the full picture unless he actually releases it.
So I think there absolutely still is that thirst for it, and I don't
know, people will probably even be down for non Kajima Metal Gear games that
are just well made, which you know, Kanana hasn't seemed to go the
extra distance. I was thinking he's a really hard shoes to fill because those
games are like even in these games have so much cutscenes for like PS one
PS two games, more than I even expected. So I don't know,
it's hard to find someone who's willing to do all of that, not just
do the tactical action espionage, right, That's what I think. I think
it's almost similar like the conversations you've had where it's like every game has to
have like a skilled tree now or something that like many RPG elements, all
games have to be like open world, open box like open box, open
world like sand box like it's almost the extentive where I'm not saying this started
the genre, but where I really picked up on it is like all those
Batman games have like stealth, but they're all like mini stuff, right,
and I think that's all like Spider Man won. They took that out for
Spider Man two pretty much, but I had many stuff Like I think that's
what happened where the espionage games where the selfiames almost went away for the most
part, and just like many pieces got incorporated into other games because like,
oh, well it's a stealth game, but it's like it just has stelf
aspects, but it's not like you have like the game is not based around
that, right, And even to the like even the strand you could argue
that not the hiking part, but when you bump into those like god,
what are they again, I can't remember what there are voids or ghosts whatever,
like that's yeah, that is a stealth aspect of the game, right,
because unless you want to fight them, you want to get around them
and not be seen, right, Yeah, the BT's yeah, so but
again that that's not the whole game. So it's interesting, but I think
that that genre has just got almost just folded into others, but it's not
a main genre now, it's all this game past. I feel like stealth
stealth games are never with the exceptional Kojima all like actually story focused, with
stealth being like the secondary part. Like that doesn't seem to be the thing.
But you know, even one thing I've found so funny about Min'll get
a solid one on the PS two where you have, like I mentioned,
these just really janky look and PS one graphics, but like whenever you get
introduced to a character, it tells you like the actor's name, It's like
it's really putting a highlight on like the voice actors voice performances. Games never
do that, right, He has like these long intros that are just like
movies and and all that. So yeah, they're you're you're right. There's
definitely a pocket there that only he can really feel. So well, we'll
keep an eye on that one. Also, I found the timing of this
to be quite funny because, as you mentioned, like we know des Ryan
two is coming out OD, so yeah, this is probably very far away.
Why announce it here? Honestly, a big part it for me felt
like okay, at the game wards, OD was announced, and Kojima got
to have his big moment where he's like, I'm on with Xbox doing this
thing. Yeah, And the time into this felt very much like Sony wine
to put a knife into left us. He's still with us, yeah,
which is very very intentional for me, which you know, going into our
next situation here, maybe OD is not an Xbox exclusive, but yeah,
like that, that felt that timing felt very intentional for me. Maybe this
is way earlier pronouncement then he intended, but maybe Sony really really wanted to
do it because of the timing, because it's like a month after that big
and I mean we've known about OD for a while, but actually getting that
big showcase for it, so that I feel very intentional in like a very
uh these two companies being at war sort of way to me. But maybe
I'm just reading into it too much. I don't know. No, I
think you're kind of right, because if it's been this so far off,
why do you need to announce it. It's just like there's so much to
do that is coming out. And now the downside is every interview he'll get
asked about this and he'll say a similar quote that's changed a few different words,
but yeah, it did feel like because I always wondered about, hey,
why did he do oh to you? With Xbox, you know,
and there's not many people jumping back and forth between the two as you said,
well about it. Maybe that's why he could because maybe it's like clud's
dreaming tech. That's why you wanted to make you're playing the game already in
the cloud. Yeah, so but maybe what the next story is. Yeah,
there's a reason that it's like, oh yeah you can make that because
it will maybe come over here at some point. So anything else on the
Kojima stuff here, No, if this got me excited again, it's like
something out of question like do I need more? And I think it gave
me enough that I want more. If I need war, that'll be a
question of when I play it. But I think they gave me enough here.
I like that Lias to do you got like a big highlight. I
hope she's not just like at the base too much. You know that that's
always my concern. But yeah, I guess i'd for a game teleport right
so she can always coming down. So yeah, so for a game I
thought we don't need this, I think they did a good job of selling
me that. Okay, I'm ready to get back in this world. I'm
very very curious, and he has some big shoes to fill, but I'm
very ready to go deliver packages again. So oh, I can't wait,
can't wait. Yeah, we also got announcement that there is a State of
Play happening. I guess the day this episode drops February sixth for Final Fantasy
sixteen, So I think we're God sixteen seven remake Part two. There's so
many I'm already doing a state of play a year after it's come out.
So yeah, I think that's a smart move. That's a game that deserves
fifteen twenty minutes all to itself, and I think it's a good way to
not clog down, blog down this showcase due we've already seen a lot of
that game, so for people who aren't picking it up at this point,
it's like, Okay, I get it, this game looks great, come
on next. No, I absolutely love that. I thought that was great
because I think we've not complained of it before. But there's definitely a camp
where there's like, this is a big game ending, and then if you're
not a Final Fantasy fan, it's like it's just Final Fantasy. So this
is kind of like a if you're interested, come over. If not,
you can skip it. I think they should do and they've done more of
these in the past, and they could even do a little one. Maybe
there's even other Final Fantasy updates. But I think that's a smart idea.
And then there is a demo of it coming out tomorrow as well. So
oh I didn't even catch that. That's all right. Yeah, warrior Ware
announced it about three hours ago. Where wars is for you? No warrior
Ware he came out. I was playing the game. He's like tomorrow,
but h yeah, so by the time you guys listen to the stats out
so if you if you're still on the fence, you know, yeah,
if you know, just like Celest sixty four, there's another sixty four degree
there, Yeah for sixty four coming out, you know. Yeah, No,
I think that's a that's a great move for I was gonna make another
point, but I can't remember it was there. You know. We could
talk all day about what wasn't here and theorized, but really the only one
I want to mention is because me and you into sam Ber talked about all
these this Insomniac leak and all this information that came out, and now it
seems like some of that has been disproven, but we have never really got
like an official statement in terms of like what on that roadmap was true or
false, because that's not how these leagues normally work. Yeah, but I
thought it was interesting and notable that there was no Vendom. There's no Spider
Man two multiplayer mentioned. Now. I think with something like a Venom,
I could see that being a fall release or just like not even this year.
They need more time on it. But I did feel like, Okay,
if I could have seen something come out here, if it was one
of these smaller games, or or specifically if there was that DLC or that
multiplayer thing for Spider Man two, I feel like this seems like it would
have been a good time to announce it. So maybe disproving those things,
but we already kind of had an idea that that was maybe slightly disproven some
of those roadmap things. Yeah, I wasn't expecting Venom because the rumor is
twenty twenty five for Vanom, so I think they're gonna be okay. Yeah,
I think they're maybe quite on that I thought even something small as like
a new Game Plus could be here. You know, I didn't think there
was gonna be anything sperimen really because there was a single update for a game
that it already is out from Yeah station, it was really I guess it
was more like Here's twenty twenty four. But yeah, yeah, because I
know Brent was hoping for some inspeerment and stuff, but I was in the
ghas like I, I just don't feel it here. The most I thought
it was a new Game Plus, So this didn't surprise me yet because it
just to me sounds like also, we're just not getting any of like story,
DLC stuff. It sounds like they're hard at work at those other things.
So yeah, I'm I'll be I think that is a I don't know
if they'll do another state of play, but that's either a BANG or state
of play or like a game award that Venom thing like that, because I
think it's Summer Showcase either of June Showcase. That could be one of the
major titles there Venom if it comes out like say early twenty twenty four or
it it depends if it's like what if it's like a fall the one,
right, because I feel like Wolverine's gonna be Fall twenty twenty six, so
it could still be. Again. What I'm hoping for, too, is
if we're not getting Spider Man's story DLC, that this Venom game might be
a bit more meteor than even Miles, right, like, still that same
type of experience, but a little longer maybe or a little more buff.
So uh yeah, maybe my prediction I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say not
till Game Awards at least. Oh no, hang on, I'll say the
Fall. I'll say the Fall because they might do their own state of play
maybe, so I think the Fall, but but yeah, you never know.
Things can change. Yeah, I'm trying to because the timeline was like,
it felt kind of side. It was pretty sizeable. Was twenty eighteen,
and then twenty twenty is when Miles came out, So I don't know,
I can't remember when the first announcement of Miles was. But that was
also like mid COVID era, where there weren't a ton of announcements happening.
Things were slowed down and whatnot. So anyway, yeah, let's take our
last break of the show and we'll come back and talk. We're gonna talk
about Xbox, but it'll also be talking more about PlayStation so we'll be right
back. Okay, we are back. So I'm trying to think about the
best way to break this down. Let me go, Let me do like
a little Dylan timeline of everything we've seen here, so you don't want to
do it Tarantino and work the way back, start with Phil Sweet and then
go yeah, throwing to tweet here, flashback here. Yeah, So I
forget when this was. In the last couple of months, we had heard
a rumor that Sea of Thieves and High Fight Rush were going to be ported
to the Nintendo Switch. We never got any sort of confirmation on that kind
of Okay, it was a rumor. We talked about it for a bit,
moved on to the next thing. But then just last week we have
got some pretty heavy rumors from some pretty reputable sources that the games. First
it was Starfield, High Fight Rush, and Indiana Jones, and then Gears
the War was added on the pile there too. These are all games that
are going to be coming to the PlayStation five. Now, when I say
gears, I don't even know which gears we're talking about here just eight Gears
of War coming to PlayStation five, and so that's kind of where the rumors
have laid. There may be a couple of other smaller things in there.
But then today today, being February fifth, Phil Spencer responded and he just
said like, yeah, we've been we hear you, we see you,
we're listening, and we're planning a business update event for next week, which
is a term I don't think i've ever heard before. No, that a
made up term right there. It sounds like it's made up in the in
the moment there. So uh, Travis just muted himself, probably like Phil
Spencer felt like doing when he saw all this stuff. So that's kind of
the timeline of things where Spencer very easily could have said, hey, that
stuff's not happening, but instead he said this, which makes it seem like,
Okay, maybe it is gonna happen. We just obviously don't know the
role out, We don't know what really end of it means. All we
really have for details is that these games are gonna be coming to PlayStation five.
All these games so far that we've seen, our games that have already
been announced are already on Xbox right, so it would be like a time
exclusive and then port situation. So obviously there's a lot of angles here.
I think I just wanted to start with like a positive side of things,
which is just that as a consumer, I absously love this. I would
love if Xbox are bringing all their games over PlayStation. I would love if
Sony b all their games to Xbox. I would love if everyone shared all
their games, that everyone could play anything they want without being locked down to
exclusives. That would be a fantastic And as someone who's primary an Xbox user
right now and I love my Xbox, I think this is amazing news.
And I can see why some Xbox fans would be salty, But to me,
in terms of the timing of things, where I've gotten many years out
of my series X I'll probably get a couple more before. I feel like
if anything were to happen and it's an impending doom thing where it's like,
don't play Xbox anymore because you might as well get PlayStation because it has all
their own games plus Xbox. But I, yeah, I don't feel like
that in the moment, because it seems like it's gonna be wild and I
you know, I was not gonna wait to play Starfield. That was not
gonna wait to play Red Fall. In hindsight, I could have waited to
play Red Fall, but I wasn't going to. So I understand where some
people could be mad there if they're big Xbox fan boys. But for me,
who is currently kind of an Xbox fan boy, because I love the
system, I love this news. I think this is amazing and I hope
it ends up happening. It's really and and switch, you know, bring
it everywhere, put these things absolutely everywhere. So yeah, there's a lot
of different angles on this. But yeah, what are your I guess,
top level thoughts in terms of the Xbox business side of things? Oh yeah,
that's tough. If it's the business side. It's what I've said for
years that there should have been a vote on no confidence for Phil for a
long time. Just business. I'm with you where it's great. They does
pose a problem though, when you say, oh, if everybody has a
console, it's like, then why do you buy a certain console? Right,
because that's what each company's after, right. And then an if you're
going for features and stuff, it's tough. And even like you said,
I don't think this is a sign that Xbox in two years there will be
no consoles. I don't think it's that. I think it's just signs that
what we've kind of talked about before where I don't necessarily agree with, like
the Sega meme. I don't think that because there's still a big company,
they have lots of games, but I think they will they are transitioning into
It's not about the consoles for them anymore. It is just about if you're
asking me, hey, what's the best way to make money? This?
This is it? Right. I've said before, there's two routes to go.
You'd be uber competitive and you go, hey, called And I know
they had all the court hearings and stuff like that, But now that you
own it, you go, hey, call of duty. If you want
it, you got to buy an Xbox. There are some moves they could
make, but they're not interested in that. So that's why there's two sides
of like if it's the cut throat box thing or sorry they called duty things
specifically of course was like went through all sorts of courtrooms and what yes,
and I ended up just being an impossibility at least for like a decade I
think was the time. Yes, of course, I think it was like,
yeah, five plus years, so of course they'd have to wait.
But it's like the second I could pull that trigger. If I'm if you're
talking about like how there's two sides. If it's money, they're doing the
right thing. If it's like the CONTs war, but that start, it's
just like the costs, it's that's just kind of over now, Like I
don't think that's I don't think it's there. You can debate back and forth,
and I can bug teir. You can debate back and forth, like
what is the best bet, but it's up to them what they decides the
best money wise, right, and if this best money wise to them to
start putting off all these games on PlayStation Nintendo, it's already on PC,
but you get my Drift like anywhere you can, then that's where they're gonna
go. And maybe that's the best. They they bought all these things.
They still got to make money. I'm not saying they're in debt, but
they spend a lot of money on these companies, so they have to do
it that way. And I guess said it just depends what their goal is
but it just feels like it kind of goes back to a couple months ago
when Phil Spencer was doing those runs like He's on kind of Funny, a
bunch of other shows. All those documents came out where they admitted that they've
lost the console wars, and I think it's just that they've just seen the
writing on the wall, and I disagree with the thought process personally. If
we can't come back, I think it's very frustrating to me and like,
because what the worst case is, and this is where I do want them
to be competitive. I do agree that if eventually we get to a point
where they are just a third party develop or they're making you can buy an
Xbox because you want to play it, have a Blue Ray Player, whatever.
But I also don't want to get to the point where Sony can charge
one thousand dollars for a PlayStation and you know, that's something where it's not
two and or not one in one comparison. But with me and wrestling,
there's another company starting. That's been the best thing for wrestling is that there's
another company that's not as big as WW but they're bigger than any others.
And for the talent for the fans. It's great to have an option variety.
I don't want to get and like I said, I mean, I
don't want to get to a place where Xbox doesn't have consoles and isn't a
competitor. And I think we're getting that way because Sony can now charge each
game one hundred bucks. They can make each console thousand dollars. Because if
they're play the same way, Xbox is doing something differently. PlayStation attendo are
two different fields as well. I feel like, sure they're competitors, but
not really, you know, like I don't feel like you can't play Death
Stranding or Last of Us on Nintendo and you wouldn't be playing Mario on PlayStation.
I feel like they had their very dedicated PlayStation. To me, is
like the hardcore gamers want, and Nintendo is the mainstream like what Disney was
in the odds, where it's like this is the family for everybody, right,
So for me, I don't want them to do that. I don't
like that. I feel like we've talked about this before where you got to
make exclusive games and feel says, oh, that's not the answer. You
can't just make exclusives and they come. But we also talked about the past
decade they've had a lot of disappointing exclusives or lack thereof, and I feel
like we're fine, Like it's just weird that we're finally starting like Starfield and
like obviously what was the Dampire game again, red Fall, it didn't pan
out, and even Starfield, like, I think it panned out pretty well,
but maybe it wasn't like the gaming year successful. Yeah, or sorry,
Starfield was successful. Maybe critically it was a bit lower than they would
hope for, but yeah, it was. It's that big console exclusive that
you want to hit on your console. I agree, but it also I
don't think had the same impact that followed or Skyrim did. Right. I
think that Elder like that. I think that's what they're hoping for. But
still for me, it's like you have those you have any Indiana Jones we
just finally joked about, like, man, they're finally getting a Marvel game.
But it's just like, well, now it's going over there. So
I just feel like for me, it's not that I'm against this. I
just feel like they're they're calling the race before it's over. I know,
it's kind of real over. But I just felt like, do this a
couple more years and see, like we have there's some big titles coming this
way, and see what happens, because you never know what can happen,
what could swing rain. And I think they're just already like, eh,
we've lost two generations in a row. We're done. I just feel like
that's where I I don't get that, because you could have a chance where
you could get that gaming money and the console money. I just don't understand
the tragedy yet. But I just think it's them saying we're not that company
anymore. We're not in the console business per se. You can get one,
but we're not there. We're in the subscription service yeah business. Yeah
that I you're talking about there. The timing, that to me is maybe
the weirdest part of all this. And you know, maybe this is just
like early plans and none of this happens for like three years or something,
you know, who knows. Yeah, but the timing seems super weird to
me because I feel like we were for years, we were waiting for that.
We're like Halo Infinite God delayed a bunch but still like came out eventually
and then there was fourser Horius in five two. Those are like two of
the bigger games. Halo Infinite didn't even like land in a huge way,
but it's like actually grown a lot and has been doing really well for the
for the ecosystem. But then you know, starting with really last year,
even the end of twenty twenty two, where it had like Pentiment and Ground
had come out, and then last year had like Minecraft Legends into Redfall,
into Starfield and a fours the Horizon seven leading into this year where we have
like starting off pretty early on with big hell Blade launch and do Indiana Jones
into a vowed like they're finally getting to what that dream was of, like
having a big Triple A exclusive every quarter, plus smaller things in between,
plus all these game pass launches for third party things adding in activision Blizzard,
which is you know, maybe they can't put Call of Duty exclusively on Xbox
that has tons of other things, not even if they're exclusive new games,
but just all these just hundreds of additional games you can just dump into that
service like immediately, plus anything new that's coming out. That's where the timing
seems super weird to me. It seems like they're just about to explode and
finally get this timing right. Everything's kind finally coming together, and now it
does not seem like the right time to do this move. Kind of with
that too, is like, I I wonder how much of this is that.
Okay, the Activision Blizzard Activist acquisition finally went through and that cost them
seventy billion dollars. Maybe they just straight up need the cash at this point.
Now we know that they're a company that has a ton more money,
but it's not just Xbox making these decisions. It is Microsoft above them and
all these things or all these layers, and so maybe that's a part of
it. We're like, damn, that was an expensive acquisition and we're gonna
make it up in the long run, but help us in the meantime,
we're gonna put a bunch of these games on our competitors console and get a
bunch of money selling these games again. So maybe that's part of the strategy
there, because part of the thing, what's that could But do you think
this is not a strategy that now they're stuck doing this forever, Like,
dude, that's the thing once you open the Pandora, but once you put
one game, one exclusive game over then it's like, well, now you're
gonna have a ton of people who are PlayStations are not gonna buy your console
anymore because they know they can get it there. But at the same time,
like we know this, and we've known this for years that like PlayStation
makes almost nothing from selling a PS five, right, they make money selling
the games, selling maybe like controllers, and then into subscription services. And
so maybe that's where Xbox's idea is here. So I forget I was gonna
make some other point there, but yeah, it just seemed like the timing
of this is is really strange for me in that way. Another so another
thing is and you know, I feel like if this is truly the pivot
for the business, it seems like it seems like it was maybe a recent
thing. And the only reason I say that is because the all those leaks
that came through and like all when Xbox and Sony were going at it in
court over Call of Duty and other things and exclusivity, we got tons of
stuff leaked there. There was all sorts of things where plans years ahead,
like Dishonored three was randomly in there, which is still not announced like who
knows if that even exists. There was so much info in there. There
was absolutely nothing about this, not a single hint in any of those documents
about them doing this, and some of those documents were like a few years
old. But it still makes me feel like this was a more recent decision,
and maybe that is strictly because of Activision Blizzard and this acquisition and how
costly it was that made them go this route. Another point leading into another
thing here is they've said kind of for the last few years, like their
default pr answer to this is Starfield coming to PlayStation because it started development,
like before it was acquired. All these kind of things, they're answered always
that question, like Phil Spencer, Sarah bon all these people, was always
it will come to any platform where game Pass exists. That's the way they
say it. They don't say it's only Xbox PC, they say where game
Pass exists. So, yeah, Travis, is there any chance in hell
that PlayStation or Nintendo allow game Pass on their consoles? And that's how this
is happening is because these games are coming to PlayStation. But it was at
the caveat that PlayStation had to sign that in the fine print there okay,
but you also have to allow game Pass on your platform. I just don't
see them doing that for competing with their own streaming services because game Pass is
way better than PlayStation Plus and way better than Nintendo Online. I guess it
just depends the cut, right, depends the numbers. Where maybe Sony and
Nintendo would block at that. But if Xboxer would say, hey, this
is the percentage we'd be willing to give you, then you say, hey,
money's money, right, And that's the same where it's like, is
that because it would cost Sony nothing, right, they got to do some
UI stuff. But it's like, either it's and let's say it was just
I don't know, forty percent. You can get forty percent of game Pass
on just specific PlayStation, right, not all forty game Pass, of course,
but just you get an app it's on PlayStation, it's game Pass,
you get forty percent of that. Even if you're not getting that, that's
money that you weren't getting before. So it's like zero amount versus whatever that
number is. And you're right about that subscription. But at the same time,
it's not like games Pass is gonna start carrying Nintendo games or they're not
gonna have Last of Us. So if you still want to be like,
hey, for a month, I want to get whatever they call the terrible
naming still what it's like, PlayStation Plus Essentials or whatever the hell terrible Like
again, Xbox much better than naming, but whatever their subscription services. Yeah,
I'll get it for a month and play God of War, play this.
So I still think it's there. And that's also the thing where it's
just like cause those aren't as great. Maybe that's another reason we're like,
well, that's it. So I don't think it's at the realm of possibility,
especially just because I feel like everybody, whether it's right or wrong,
like feels like they're not gonna be a console anymore soon. And I feel
like that that is one thing where I will say for the people that are
genuinely mad, not like fake mad or just like having some fun meming way
and stuff, like the people that genuinely like, hey, can only Ford
one and they went, oh, I'm gonna get this because I'm a fan
of Starfield or something like that. And even if they're fans of PlayStation let's
say I'm gonna get this console because I want this game. Then to learn
later on, like, oh, I could have just got the PlayStation all
and also got that game. You're right where there is people like you and
same thing like myself. For some games, you go, oh, I
can wait, I can wait for this. But if there's some people that
did specifically make the decision on that, that sucks, and those are people
I think that they could probably Like I think it's almost like definitive they lost
forever because the next time they buy a console, they'll not buy an Xbox.
So it's like they almost I just felt like they like like shot up.
If there is a situation where let's say we did a scenario where for
the next two years it was just they went out with all these exclusives and
it didn't work, and then it slowly started trickle down. They just just
just became more games past and Xbox. I feel like they put that like
they jumped into the future. It's almost like what happened when COVID with movies,
where theaters were gone and then everybody was just dumping their stuff on the
streaming services, and now the theaters have such a hard time recovering because like
for Disney stuff, parents are just like, oh, that'll be on Disney
Plus in thirty thirty days. It's not anymore. It's back to being like
four months. But they got programmed a certain way, and now I feel
like they're expediting the death of their console, which is kind of weird.
So I think it's possible, like who would be first? I feel like
Nintendo might take that, dip their toes in first, because I feel like
PlayStation Xbox have a bit more of a tumultuous relationship, you know. But
I think if you were asking five years, if it's like a factor fiction,
I'd go fact for both, right, Yeah, I mean I think
that could be. Maybe part of the angle here is maybe they are starting
to port these games over to these consoles because part of this business whatever new
business event thing that Phil Spencers gonna talk about, like, maybe part of
that is that, hey, we actually got this to work, and we're
gonna have game Pass on those consoles, and that's where the ports come in,
because they want to have more games to bolster that roster on those rival
platforms, because not everything. You can't just take everything that's on Xbox right
now and instantly play it on your switch. Because of course, a lot
of those things aren't reported and whatnot. So I think maybe that's part of
it, where they have those deals signed, but if not, it's gonna
be a bit more questionable for me. If they do have game Pass on
PlayStation or Switch, that is fucking huge for them, Like those numbers are
gonna skyrocket, and yes, hopefully those rosters are good, but you can
make them better by pouring your own games over there and then getting whatever third
parties exist on those platforms. But then even then, anything you've signed currently,
like those developers wouldn't have signed to have the Switch version also on that
platform. And maybe they expected a lot of sales on Switch for this indie
game, which I'm sure happens a lot. So yeah, I think there's
that could be part of it, where they would jump onto these new platforms
but then have like a really weak roster at the start, And so maybe
this is laying the groundwork for that, But i's gonna say if they did
that, you don't think you would they do something like, hey, if
you have an Xbox and games Pass, you get Indiana Jones day one,
but if you have game Pass on PlayStation, you don't get it there day
one. You'd get it eventually. Yeah, I already said, but I
don't really foresee. I still think. I mean, I guess the question
remains like in three years whatever, when it's time for the new console generation,
like is Xbox going to have one? If the answers no, then
maybe they start doing those these things at launch. But right now it's all
these games that are old, the exception of Indiana Jones. But I would
be shocked if Banana Jones was day one on PlayStation five. Now we'll yes
get that information from Phil this week or next week, and never it was.
But yeah, I still think they're going to probably at least keep a
year exclusivity, which yeah, for a lot of people, that's going to
be enough for them to not want to buy the console. Because the rumor
for Jones was a couple like three months. That was the rumor going around
today that I was like, that's the rumored time that'd be like drop an
Xbox and then within like three to six months be on PlayStation. That's that
would be Yeah, crazy, that would be a crazy time. Three months.
Six months is a lot better, but yeah, three months is is
pretty wild. That's still the same, Like, yeah, a year at
that point. So I think I think they'll still have a console this go
around, but I think it will be I think they'll just be one console.
I don't know if they're going to do the whole here's a cheap version,
here's of expensive version. I think I think what they would do is
just like essentially just a streaming box. Uh yeah, really really cheap streaming
box is what they would do. But then where do all the terraflops go
on that box? That's the thing, like, you know, that's what
you do need ter flop. So they're just no longer going to have the
powerful console, right because that was that was well, the games will run
if you have a good internectionnection, the game will runs just the games will
run just as well as they like on the game pass. Right now,
all of a sudden, game you can just go stream it instead of downloading
it and it will play just as well once again, unless you have bad
internet, which is a huge issue for this streaming future. But I think
that's the idea, and I think they've even talked about this. Maybe this
has always been rumors or things in the leagues too, where like they just
want to get like a USB stick that you can just plug into your TV
and people can just play XPO games that way, they don't need a console,
and that would be huge because that would get a lot more people to
subscribe to game Pass as a service, which is what it seems like the
whole business plan is built around at this point. So I could say that
being the future, I would not be stoked about that one. Just like
internet quality even in my apartment here is like not great. So I mean,
if this is the future of Xbox for sure, then yeah, oh
I'm absolutely My next console is gonna be the PS six. First, Why
would I Why would I get the Xbox unless there's like huge exclusivity windows.
But if we're talking three to six months on things, then yeah, okay,
I can wait for the odd star Field or Red Fall. That really
yeah tickles my fancy. I can wait that extra few months. But yeah,
like absolutely, yeah. I just think if they if they just become
a streaming box or a dongle, it's just I go, why did they
spend so many years talking about how they have the most powerful console and that
was like the selling point. I just feel I just feel like, I
don't know, has that really been like their motto though for years at this
point, like of course, definitely definitely for the generation before was all about
the most powerful Box One. Yeah yeah, I mean Xbox One was like
in the Xbox One era, game Pass started. But I feel like ever
since game Pass has existed, that's been their thing, not yeah, not
terror flops. And of course when they announce Series X, they're gonna say
it has all these numbers. But yeah, like the memes of terror flops
are meaningful because that's what they talked about. That shit so much, they
said it over and over again. But now it's just it's game Pass,
game Pass, game Pass. They don't care about anything else. I guess
this is what I mean in an overall scope where I think there's pros and
cons this, and I think there's something where I'm not gonna go to town
on it. But I just still think there is a multiverse out there where
both of them are still just thriving, and I just feel like I'd love
to do a chain and just look back from that Xbox One and on.
I just feel like every couple of years there's just a decision that I scratched
my head about, and that's where you're right, right, if they do
want to be games passed, they're succeeding. I will always go and say
that this could mean they're thriving, right, Like this could more people are
playing their games than ever, they're making a shit ton of money because there's
they've you know, got twice as many game Pass subscribers, Like I don't
know it, it could work out for them, Like I don't think they
need to have a box in your house necessarily. Like another thing too,
is they've talked about recently how they're getting away from like game boxes, like
even hell Blay too, we know, is like not have a physical version
whatsoever. And you know what, that makes a whole lot of sense.
If you're not going to sell a console and you don't care about people walking
into Walmart and seeing your games on a shelf, if you're not kind of
an Xbox on the shelf, then like why do you need the box there?
So it seems like they're even moving towards that too. So that's,
if anything, more evidence towards this actually happening. I'm just curious what the
story and even people that like when they you know, grow up in their
new gamers and stuff, like that, even if they're a stick and they're
a streaming service and a successful like, what is the story of Xbox And
I just don't know. I guess it depends in narrative, right, because
if you look at it pass that's the story I know. But I mean,
like if you look at it from like the cure the purely console base,
you look at it us like, well, they failed and they they
they lost and they couldn't do it. They settled for streaming service. But
then you're right if they're making more money, So it's just odd. And
I think that's where kind of like what I said in the opening, you
just have to rethink your mind that it's almost just that it's a person completely.
This is you won't maybe get this, but it's like Michael Jordan when
he was a basketall player and then they went to baseball, and that's what
it is. Like he was still an athlete, but he chose a different
sports. So it's like they're still game developer and they're still in the business,
but they're in not a completely different area. But in a sense they
kind of are right. They're doing some what the bottom line that would Nintendo
and PlayStation have to worry about because, like you said, the consoles make
the money, but they still got to sell those consoles to get people in
the door right to play the games. Their bottom end is now completely different
than the next box, and that's up for Xbox and decide if that's good
or bad. Like you said, it's probably good. But in like the
public eye, it's it's it's a funny thing and maybe it's just a public
eye for us. I grew up with it, right, That's what I
mean. In generations now people might not even care about that. It'll just
be a footnoe like oh for two decades their console and now that this right,
like that could just be and that's a weird thing that we won't know
for another ten years. Where it's just accepted now because there's so much changing
with movies and TVs and games as far as how do you put them out
there? VOD stuff like this, a dongle, Xbox games passed on PlayStation
like stuff we would have never thought of, right, So I think for
us and our generation it's hard to not hard, but it's just weird to
contextualize because we grew up in the console wars and we grew up like that
was the narrative, like how do you sell console? Who's winning the hardware
stuff? Where now it's just like they're it's not the Xbox is dead,
and it's not that they're not making money. It's just that they're in a
completely different game now, and it's it's it's it's weird, it's it's not
weird to wrap your mind around, because it feels like they've been going that
way again. I think it's just like it's at an accelerated pace. I
don't think I was expecting it to happen this soon because I think they'll get
one more like I guess you're right, that's been the because I've seen I've
listened to other podcasts, and that's been argument of well they even do another
console. And that's where I'm fifty to fifty. I really don't know.
I could see them doing one last hurrah. But if it's like it's not
even worse, like, if this is the direction you're going, I don't
even think it's worth it, then don't do that. Just yea, you
know, But I guess it depends if they got an if they don't have
Nintendo and PlayStation yet, then I'd say, I guess that's my prediction is
it really depends on those two. If they got an app on there,
they don't need to. But if they don't, then I think you get
one more generation of consoles, just like hey, if you don't, if
you want just the basic setup of a controller and a game box, it's
right there. No, that's definitely a deciding factor for me is Yeah,
if game passes not on these rival platforms, then they I still think they
need I still think they need their own console. I agree, but yeah,
but that'd be like, oh my god, that'd be like on life
support at that point in terms of why why I have that console at all?
And and you and that's the thing with these leaking and I know,
and I agree with some people that the people that are really hard against this.
When he said, oh, we're gonna do it next week, the
Xbox I, our community was like, what do you mean next week?
Like the since I'd say, like Friday, I know you said weeks,
but I feel since Friday, when some of those rooms are of break,
like that community has just been running lot of just like jumping ship or just
like having issues with it. And that's why I just feel like they did
need to he needed to come out now. But like I said, I've
I have had many issues with Phil. I don't I don't think Phil is.
I just think there was a path where you could have done both things.
And I think that him and some of the people there didn't make the
best. Like you said, there's Microsoft could be hot enough people. So
I can't just put all in them. I don't know everything, but I
think this did scare a lot of people off. So, like you're right
when the Dead and the water thing, I feel like this is something that
came out there, and it came out there in such a bad way.
It's not even like a like they presented it to the world. I do
think it scares a lot of people off. That Okay, I'm I'm not
getting that in the future. So I do agree with you that if they
do a console, it's just a something there people this context lists at this
point, Like as much as we're meaning on this weird name of event planning
business event that Phil has, like when they describe it to us, we
will hopefully understand what the vision is and hopefully it'll make sense. But like
I don't know, you were saying there of you know, obviously us growing
up with these consoles, being used to them and wanting like, I'm at
a point now where like I want like a handheld console and a home console.
Yeah, Like, what are the differences between an Xbox Series X and
a PlayStation? Nothing? The only difference is like what games you can play
on them because of exclusivity. That's like the only difference at all, And
so like I would happily embrace just having one console that is the home console
for me. No, obviously competition is good, but it doesn't. It
seems like with this it's not like Xbox is dying. They're just taking on
a different role, right do you think that happens though? If they ever
become a non console and they are just like, hey, you dealing can
buy PlayStation. Xbox is twenty dollars on the place station, but there's no
other console to compete with it anything scary. I think I would happily buy
the PlayStation and subscribe a game pass on there. Yeah. If I get
the same kind of set up as I'm getting with my Series X now,
then I would be happy, and that way I can play all these PlayStations
exclusives that I want to, but like it's seven hundred and eight hundred dollars
when you get the game, Like that's it's really expensive to play games right
now. Oh yeah, and that I guess that's and I do get that
that's a concern where for us one hundred dollars games like one hundred, twenty
hundred and thirty and if we jump to five years from now where PlayStation has
no competitor, it's like, man, that could suck for us, you
know in the long run. Yeah, I mean Nintendo will always be that
competitor. Well I shouldn't say always because now who knows what. I just
think like it's like it's like this, like they are doing different things,
but I just feel like I feel like it's like the Netflix thing where there
was a poll done a couple of months ago and it was like it's always
Netflix. People always have Netflix and something else, and I feel like it
was all Like I feel like the PlayStation Nintendo are like those are the two.
It was always get Nintendo and a playtion play and a PlayStation and an
Xbox, and I feel like it's all It'll just always be like for gamer
people like Alvisos. You have families different ways, But I always think it's
all you would always beg that, right, You're always going to Nintendo and
then a main game console. I'll always be like that because they do different
things. That's where it's just like, I don't know if PlayStation would feel
the need that Nintendo's gonna take away from their sales because they're also doing different
things. It's alsously other than just the docking and the switch and stuff,
but just their games are vastly different. And that's that, Like that is
a worry to me. Where it's like these games, like already we play
a hundred bucks for games, right, and that's it's a lot of money,
It's true, and that's why I really love game Pass. I mean,
I spend a lot of money on game Pass, but I also play
so many more things and I don't have to pay one hundred bucks for Starfield.
I don't want to. So the only other thing that we haven't discussed
is this kind of came up today. Another rumor circling around here is that
here like game sorry called Duty is not gonna be on game Pass. Now.
I didn't, I don't. I haven't seen the details of this,
and I don't think we have many details, but I imagine this means like
whatever the newest Cause is that comes out this year is not gonna be day
one and game Pass. Now, maybe that's something to do with how recent
that acquisition is, and maybe they just I can't imagine legally why they couldn't
do it unless that was part of something with this thing they signed with Sony.
But to me, that seems like a huge miss. If you bought
this and you can't put their latest game on your service, to me,
that seems like I guess there would be a tactical decision from them. They
feel like they can just get so much more money if they sell it rather
than but I just feel like so many people would subscribe to game Pass,
so I just feel like that Calculus to me, doesn't really make sense,
so I'd be a bit bummed by that. I still think they'd probably put
all the older Call of Duty games on the service at this point, and
that's kind of more what I would want. I want to go back and
play some zombies or play some of the campaigns I missed. I don't really
need the new one at well, try anything like that. But it would
seem it would seem like a weird decision to me. It just doesn't really
make sense with the business strategy we've seen from Xbox. But as with all
this section that we've been talking about here, it seems like the business plan
has changed, so I guess that could be part of it. Just seems
like a weird detail to me. How could you not make that happen as
part of that seventy billion dollar acquisition? Yeah, I feel like that.
I don't know why. I have no basis, but I feel like I
do lean more towards that maybe for some reason with this one, they couldn't
do that, because it does feel odd because I feel like, again then
they would it'd be, oh, then you're gonna have They said these games
were exclusive on games Pass, so then to me, that'd be a big
pivot, be like, oh, this and other games are not going to
be like we want to start making some big bucks. Then I feel like
we'd hear that about that would be maybe a pivot Peal won't like, but
I feel like we'd hear that where hey, it'll come to games Past in
a year, but to start off, you got to go back to paying
these you know we value them yet da da. So I think it might
be something with Sony, because that's weird for them to just be like,
is there a reversion where they go, well, called it makes lots of
money, so let's not put that in games Pass. But then it's like,
then why aren't you doing that with a bunch of other games then?
Right? So yeah, yeah, it's it's I don't think we have many
points of reference to this. The only comparisons I can think of are that
after Microsoft acquired Bethesda, Death Loop and ghost Wire Tokyo, which were originally
like planned as PlayStation exclusives, they still allowed that and they were one year
timed exclusive on PlayStation. Now they're in game passive course. But I don't
know if there was legally some way that Xbox could have weaseled out of that
once they owned those studios. Maybe they could have, but it probably would
have been more hassle than it would be worth at that point, so they
just kind of allowed it in that case, and then they brought them over
later, So that would be the only thing I could think of. But
I don't I don't really understand why not. It has to me, it
seems like it would have to be a decision from Xbox, not just something
legally they have to do, but who knows, Maybe they just feel like
the amount of money they can make from it is going to outweigh the amount
of people who would join game Pass just to play it, which I don't
know if you need to worry about that because of the just how many people
own Xboxes and are playing games on game Pass. But I could be wrong.
Who knows. Yeah, we'll probably there could be some Jason Schreier report
closer to call duty right at that time where we might get more details on
it. So I think you just released or renounced a new book he's really
seen, which is like an activision. Yeah, more Blizzard, right Blizzard.
Yeah, like not the Downfall Blizzard. But like I think about all
the shirt that went on there and stuff, So I think I think that'll
be good because I think that there's a lot of stuff there that Unfortunately,
a lot of big companies, I feel like, because the acquisition, including
Xbox, just try to sweep under the rug of like, well, we're
just wanting to get these games, and you know, they say, oh,
we moved on. But there's a lot of stuff that I think they've
kicked a lot of people out the door, but they kick him out the
door and they have their golden parachute on the way down, right, So
well, yeah, that's what I mean. There's there's a lot of trickle
down. So yeah, that'll that'll be interesting to see. I'm sure we'll
make a lot of people happy and industry that you know, don't want certain
things out, but they gotta be out there, you know, So true.
Yep, uh, anything else on this for today, Sirah, No,
Like I said, I am. It caught me off guard that it
was just the Indiana Jones thing again for me was almost like and even Starfield
it was like that. Oh maybe just because Bethesda and these were things that
were worked out before, right, you never know, like, oh,
if we promised them Indiana Jones game PlayStation, we got to own up that.
I guess I just was not expecting the trickle down of from going from
Starfield to Gears of War in a matter of three days. But I'm curious.
I'm very curious next week. I'm curious that I guess we don't have
a date yet. He just said at some time, So yeah, I
think him it's I don't know if he's buying the game, but I'm am
I still assuming Taylor is on UH is on next week maybe for side Quest?
He he is, I think, because well you're welcome to the h
What the hell's the name of the pirate game again? Oh my god,
Scull and Bones. Skull and Bones is doing like he because Taylor, you
know classic Tailor. He's like, oh, I'm definitely buying that game.
And then like I asked, you know, if I plan side Quest.
I tried to planning it as many months as advance as I can, and
he's like, yeah, I'm actually not gonna buy that game, and I'll
wait for the months. I'm like, god, damn it. But it
is doing an open They are doing an open beta for the game Tebar eighth
to eleventh, So we're gonna both jump in there check it out for free,
talk about it on side Quest next week. So technically the game doesn't
come out until like two weeks from now, but so anyway, that next
week is gonna be about UH, Skull and Bones plus this Xbox thing if
it drops in time. So if you want to check out Skull and Bones
or if not, you should still join for that combo if you if you
would be so inclined, yeah, I could potentially, And that that's what
I'm interested to see. I'm interested to see. Is it a hey,
people got this all wrong, this is what we're doing, or is it
one of those where they sugarcoat everything and go, okay, everything was right
and you're just trying to get it like you're trying to get ahead of it,
but you can't because already it's already out there. So, like I
said, I'm going the sense of Xbox is just going to become something different.
I think it's of course fun for me, me purposes, and I
always liked a bug Taylor, but like the idea of them being like a
top tier console thing, I think it's like it is like officially kind of
like dead Dead. I don't think that comeback can never happened, now,
you know. And I thought there was a chance with games passing these exclusive
games, But if this move does happen, of all these games going over
the Xbox consoles, we know it will be gone within ten years. And
that's like being nice about it. So yeah, crazy times not what I
thought was gonna be happening this week at least but curious to see what Phil
is going to do. And I'm excited for the press tour because he the
last time he did that when they were on the back hop, I feel
like he was saying something I felt like I was. If I was an
investor, I would been like, I'm not liking any of these comments because
it did just as Taya says, shredding the paperwork type of day, and
it was like it was an odd thing but at least gonna be interesting.
So I'm curious to see what happens going forward. Definitely, yeah, this
is nice meaty side quest. I think we really broke this down from all
the different angles, is a really fun one. Thank you for joining me,
Travis, Thank you for listening, like you just got a sneak Peeka
what next week's episode is going to be all about, so look forward to
that. Thank you for listening. We'll see you next time. Bye bye