1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:06,240 Hello, and welcome to side Quest here at GI Versus, our weekly video 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,439 game show. I'm your host, still Musk, and I have with me 3 00:00:08,519 --> 00:00:12,279 the clown Princes of Third Parties. Travis snow that rolls off the tongue. 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,480 I like that, all. Yeah, that's the new thing this year. 5 00:00:14,519 --> 00:00:17,120 I'm trying to do clown princes with something, so it's like it's like having 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,320 a new nickname, but it keeps the original. But yeah, I'm excited 7 00:00:20,399 --> 00:00:23,440 what happened to be. I'm glad because we talked about doing this early, 8 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,320 but I'm glad we waited because there's some other news and stuff broke. So 9 00:00:26,399 --> 00:00:30,519 I think we got lots of chat about in a variety both PlayStation and Xbox 10 00:00:30,839 --> 00:00:33,960 to varying degrees. Yeah, definitely, this is gonna be very exciting show. 11 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,679 We have, you know, a couple of quick games to shout out 12 00:00:35,679 --> 00:00:38,759 games we've been playing, and then yeah, mostly about the state of play 13 00:00:38,799 --> 00:00:41,560 of course that happened last week. And then there's been all sorts of Xbox 14 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,280 news which has really been culminating for I want to say a few weeks at 15 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,880 this point, so we'll break all of that down. So very very juicy, 16 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,240 jam packed episode, so really not many show us. You know, 17 00:00:52,359 --> 00:00:56,399 join the discord. We're always talking about this crazy news when it drops. 18 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,240 Hit up the patron to get episodes early and add free and uh yeah, 19 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,399 stay tuned of the feeds. There's all sort of things releasing. We're you're 20 00:01:03,439 --> 00:01:06,719 starting Halo season two this week, so yeah, you're a fan of that 21 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,519 video game and you love that TV show. Uh you know me, Me, 22 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,120 Kirkland and Taylor gonna go on that journey again this season, so that 23 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:17,319 should be fun. And uh yeah, any any other shout outs from you, 24 00:01:17,359 --> 00:01:19,120 Travis? Do you want to get ready to do it? No other 25 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,159 than other than this Sunday when we do Super Bowl trailers. We will be 26 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:26,319 dropping our second trailer with the Adrena Chrome or second trailer Adrenic Coman that will 27 00:01:26,359 --> 00:01:29,959 have what I hope is the official final date for the four day rentals, 28 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,280 so look out for that. It's honestly just so we can leach off that 29 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,560 nice Super Bowl se Oh but you know, because people are busy watching other 30 00:01:37,599 --> 00:01:38,640 trailers, is that not like a bad time to drop it? Or do 31 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,959 you try and get in there with the rest of them. I try to 32 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,319 get in there just so if people are scrolling by, they see that super 33 00:01:44,359 --> 00:01:47,719 Bowl hashtag and they see trailer. Oh I missed this one. So it's 34 00:01:47,719 --> 00:01:49,680 like, you're gonna do I say, you're gonna put the hashtag on? 35 00:01:49,799 --> 00:01:53,280 Oh? Absolutely, it's gonna be a big game super Bowl any hashtag I 36 00:01:53,319 --> 00:01:56,480 can like. So that's why I might you'll get caught by the algorithm by 37 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,040 that, and then who knows. We have two million views on the Ternior 38 00:01:59,079 --> 00:02:01,640 Chrome trailer. Yeah, the first drunk room trailer isn't like I think it's 39 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,680 a couple hundred away from a thousand. So it's chucking along every time I 40 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,240 look at it. Yeah, because it's like the main one there on our 41 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,639 YouTube, so I see all the time, and I luckily to think there's 42 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,319 got some bots, because there's definitely some like like Lady of the Night, 43 00:02:15,599 --> 00:02:19,400 like, oh this looks interesting, but it was definitely But like sometimes that's 44 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,759 a good thing when the bots find it, because that's me it's working its 45 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,159 way through. So it's a risk we're willing to take. But uh know, 46 00:02:24,439 --> 00:02:28,680 just excited to talk about some stuff coming up. So cool, Yeah, 47 00:02:28,719 --> 00:02:30,759 let's let's get right into it. Then. So a couple, I 48 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,039 have a couple of games to shout out here that I've been playing. One 49 00:02:32,439 --> 00:02:35,960 is probably a quick shot out. But you know, the year is twenty 50 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,680 twenty four, which somehow means that Celestis existed for six years. It's it's 51 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,879 crazy to me that that game has been out that long. At this point 52 00:02:43,319 --> 00:02:46,199 just feels like such a recent indie game. I can still remember it having 53 00:02:46,199 --> 00:02:49,080 all those big things at the game wards, and it's like, how was 54 00:02:49,159 --> 00:02:52,280 that six years ago? At this point that is insane. Uh. But 55 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:57,599 because of that, the developers for the sixth anniversary of the game released a 56 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,199 little mini uh really just a little celebration almost. It's a little game called 57 00:03:01,199 --> 00:03:06,039 Celeste sixty four. It's at least for free on it, so you can 58 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,120 just google celest sixty four and yeah, it's just a small celest three D 59 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:14,039 platform or very much like Super Mario sixty four vibes even like the music, 60 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,520 and yeah, it's just like a three D collectith on. You're in this 61 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:21,960 one zone going around collecting all the strawberries. And you know, I think 62 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,400 if you're not a Celeste fan, you probably wouldn't get as much out of 63 00:03:24,479 --> 00:03:29,439 it. But to just see all of those gameplay mechanics or certain platforms that 64 00:03:29,479 --> 00:03:31,759 you see in the game as you're going through the levels turned into a three 65 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:36,520 D format is really fun. And it's like the biggest flex of this all 66 00:03:36,599 --> 00:03:38,240 is when they in their description for the game, they're like, yeah, 67 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,080 we made this in like a week to celebrate the game. It's like, 68 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,879 how do you guys make this fun of a three D platform or in a 69 00:03:44,919 --> 00:03:46,000 week? Like it's really short. It took me like an hour and a 70 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,080 half to get every collectible in the game, but still really impressive, and 71 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,039 it's one hundred percent free. So just huge shout up to that team for 72 00:03:53,159 --> 00:03:57,439 making a really fun spinoff within that celest universe. I really had a good 73 00:03:57,479 --> 00:04:00,080 time playing through that and some of them, some of the like certain challenge 74 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,639 rooms are really freaking hard and took me a while. So some good challenge 75 00:04:03,639 --> 00:04:05,759 in there too, if you're into that kind of thing. It makes me 76 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:10,479 want just like a full Celest sixty four at this point. Is there any 77 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,800 reason other than maybe it's like some obvious nostalgia hype for just you know, 78 00:04:14,879 --> 00:04:19,360 because that name sixty four was it just picked purely for that? Oh yeah, 79 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:25,360 it's sent to because even like the esthetic is very Nintendo sixty four and 80 00:04:25,399 --> 00:04:27,240 the music and all that. There's been a couple of games. There was 81 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,560 a game came out year or two ago called Kiwi sixty four which was just 82 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,600 like a three D platform or collectith on. So I feel like that's been 83 00:04:32,639 --> 00:04:38,959 a thing that now that developers are like, developers are old enough now who 84 00:04:38,959 --> 00:04:41,480 are like nostalgic for the n sixty four era, you know, now they're 85 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,160 all leasing games and they're trying to use that naming scheme. So I don't 86 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,480 know, I really like that just rather than calling your game whatever, just 87 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,160 call it sixty four because that very much tells you exactly what it is, 88 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,920 right, It tells you that it's an n sixty four style game. So 89 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,680 I think it's I think it works, it's good marketing. I like it. 90 00:04:56,759 --> 00:04:59,639 Yeah. So yeah, that was a quick shout out, And then 91 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,199 I talked too Kirkling about this on side quest that I've finally started my Metal 92 00:05:03,199 --> 00:05:06,839 Gear Solid journey and I've an update on that, but I wanted to do 93 00:05:08,199 --> 00:05:11,439 a reminder from you, Travis. Have you played all of the like five 94 00:05:11,519 --> 00:05:15,319 mainline games. So it's one of those things. It's very much in the 95 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,560 I think I have to varying degrees and varying degrees if I don't remember which 96 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:25,399 ones I've beaten and not written they were in that PlayStation pocket of me probably 97 00:05:25,399 --> 00:05:28,160 being like seven to twelve, Like I don't think they all came out that 98 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,399 time, but whenever I played them, it's or it's like a Super Mari 99 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,480 RPG, Like that's a good example, Like I definitely played this and remember 100 00:05:33,959 --> 00:05:36,360 like ISM's but never to the point of like, oh, I remember it 101 00:05:36,439 --> 00:05:39,920 for beats. That's why I was kind of waiting, I know, because 102 00:05:39,959 --> 00:05:42,519 what this is on the switch right, you're playing it on right? Yeah, 103 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,519 I got this the Master Collection, I think is what it's called. 104 00:05:45,639 --> 00:05:48,120 Yeah, has metal Gear one and two and then middle Gear Solid one, 105 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,800 two and three. So I've been waiting for a time. But I've also 106 00:05:50,879 --> 00:05:54,079 been waiting for them because they do that every once in a while where they 107 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:58,240 like remask them again. They've remastered them for Xbox PlayStation. At one point 108 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,199 I want to I'm actually just kind of hoping, not hoping, but I 109 00:06:00,199 --> 00:06:02,959 thought there wouldn't be Metal Gear Solid game in a while, but no, 110 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,680 I just remember it was kind of like the first game I played that was 111 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:12,040 like that espionage like Stealth Sword game. Other than that, like Batman Vengeance, 112 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,519 like those were the two games I remember sneaking around a lot, you 113 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,959 know, right right, So yeah, I talked to Kirkle about this. 114 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,560 But yeah, I played through the first game and really enjoyed it even though 115 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,279 it was very old, and Jankeye I saw had a really great time with 116 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,120 it. And I'm now about four and a half hours into Metal Metal Gear 117 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,879 Solid two and unfortunately I think this game sucks, Like this is really this 118 00:06:33,959 --> 00:06:38,439 is a really really bad game. Now. The first thing that I guess 119 00:06:38,519 --> 00:06:41,439 was shocking, well not necessarily shocking, but you know, the I played 120 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,000 Metal Gear Solid one and then in this Switch collection it had like essentially the 121 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,680 PS one version of Metal Gear Sold one. But then for Metal Gear Solid 122 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:53,800 two and three, it's what I believe is the PS three or Xbox three 123 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:58,519 sixty remake that was done from those original games. So it's not quite the 124 00:06:58,519 --> 00:07:01,079 PS two game, but it still is like more of an HD remaster rather 125 00:07:01,079 --> 00:07:03,839 than like a remake, So it's it feels like a PS two and a 126 00:07:03,879 --> 00:07:06,160 half sort of thing. Yeah, so I was I guess I was hoping 127 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:12,680 for a bit better just gameplay quality like gameplay, like controls and stuff, 128 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,199 jumping up a whole consoles a bit more modern and stuff like that. Yeah, 129 00:07:16,199 --> 00:07:19,600 and like it looks, it looks, you know, higher quality, 130 00:07:19,639 --> 00:07:25,120 but I also think it lacks the charm that like the PS one game has, 131 00:07:25,639 --> 00:07:28,000 and the like the PS one game, like no one even has eyes 132 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,120 because there wasn't that level of detail, right, so they all just look 133 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,079 really blocking weird, but like it actually fits the story and world of that 134 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,639 game, whereas this is a lot more higher quality. But then it is 135 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,360 like a PS three game, so it still looks pretty old at this point. 136 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,279 That part's not necessarily bothering, but I guess I was hoping for a 137 00:07:42,279 --> 00:07:45,680 bit more of an evolution in the gameplay. But I mean, I cause 138 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:46,639 I don't know if you remember this part, But like Meddle gear solid too. 139 00:07:46,639 --> 00:07:49,240 You don't play a snake, right, you play his ride in and 140 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:54,000 my god, this character fucking sucks. Right. I was in a Ryan 141 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,279 fan. Kirkland is a big Ryan fan, but I was somebody that I 142 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,560 was a fan. Okay, I'm pretty sure he is. I don't think 143 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,319 he's played this one, so I wonder if Ryding like maybe has a better 144 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,079 appearance in the game, so that might be it. He just likes some 145 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,639 more hype appearance of riding, so yeah, that might Yeah, because he's 146 00:08:07,639 --> 00:08:13,920 a very anime character later on, like very much like like yeah, yeah, 147 00:08:13,959 --> 00:08:16,560 and because I always, you know, heard that name and I always 148 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,920 thought, oh, Riden must be a super cool character, because that name 149 00:08:18,959 --> 00:08:22,519 is super cool. But he's just like a total dweeb. The voice acting, 150 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,639 you know, it's very intentional, I'm sure, but it's like, 151 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,759 whose choice was it to make you play this fucking loser ahead of Snake? 152 00:08:28,839 --> 00:08:31,320 And Snake's in the game a lot, you're interacting with him, but when 153 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,519 you're playings Ryan right now, I see just the guy that is blonde hair 154 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,600 and has a gun. Currently he comes back. This is probably what Kirk 155 00:08:37,639 --> 00:08:41,759 and likes. And I think in Middle Group sold for as a very anime 156 00:08:41,519 --> 00:08:46,080 robotic been through a lot of trauma characters. That's why he was a robot 157 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,480 kind of guy. That's why something happens and then he gets turned into you 158 00:08:50,519 --> 00:08:52,399 know, some beasts. So yeah, so that, I mean, that's 159 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,759 the first red flag for me. I just don't want to play as this 160 00:08:56,799 --> 00:09:01,080 guy quite as much. He's very annoying. He's very whiny. Anytime someone 161 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,919 says anything, he's like, what, I can't believe it. Like everything, 162 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,639 any piece of information in small or big, is just the biggest shock 163 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,000 in the world to him, and it gets it gets old really quick. 164 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,919 And then also like the story is just not really gripping me in the same 165 00:09:15,919 --> 00:09:18,279 way that the first one did. There's a couple of characters that are somewhat 166 00:09:18,279 --> 00:09:22,879 interesting, but still no one matching, like someone like Revolver Ocelot from the 167 00:09:22,879 --> 00:09:28,480 first game, who I absolutely love. Psychomantis is like really weird and interesting, 168 00:09:28,879 --> 00:09:31,840 the sniper Wolf, and even just like the characters that you're talking to 169 00:09:31,879 --> 00:09:33,799 in the colms are a lot more interesting than the characters here. So in 170 00:09:33,799 --> 00:09:35,679 that way, it's kind of a step down. And then at a point 171 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,919 I got in the story, there was kind of just this almost felt like 172 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,559 more of a prologue or something, this whole opening section, but then like 173 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,480 now it goes into this part and you know, spoilers for this game that's 174 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,919 twenty years old. But now it's just like, oh, and now on 175 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:52,200 this place that I'm at, there's a there actually is a metal gear with 176 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,960 a nuke, and she's like, Okay, we're doing the exact same story 177 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,679 now from the first game, so it just feels like a rehash. But 178 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,639 then like, I don't know why you just didn't do it from the start 179 00:10:00,039 --> 00:10:03,960 and at like hours of build up into this other thing. So that's pretty 180 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,679 weak for me too, which is too bad because I love the story and 181 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,759 the characters of the first game. Even though it's very weird and old and 182 00:10:09,879 --> 00:10:13,799 dated, it was still really interesting and fun and the characters were great, 183 00:10:13,799 --> 00:10:16,639 whereas obviously from the protagonist side of things, that's pretty weak here. But 184 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:22,279 even like, the villains aren't as fun and goofy as I expected from that 185 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:26,320 from that first one. And then I, you know, this game's old, 186 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,200 but this might be the worst stealth game I've ever played in my life 187 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,679 in terms of just stealth mechanics. And it's weird because Metal Gear Solid One 188 00:10:33,799 --> 00:10:37,159 has like it's not a very hard game, and you're really like, I 189 00:10:37,159 --> 00:10:41,200 feel like you're not actually doing a ton of stealth. You're not doing a 190 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:46,200 ton of combat. It's mostly like just going around places at a little bit 191 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,519 of puzzles, a little bit of stealthier there, but everything's used very sparingly. 192 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,960 It didn't really feel like too much of a stealth game. Of course, 193 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,919 there is stealth sequences, whereas this game is like way harder. There's 194 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,960 so many more enemies everywhere. The stealth doesn't really make sense to me. 195 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,720 I feel like I'm getting caught when I'm not in their cone. I'm not 196 00:11:01,759 --> 00:11:03,519 making much noise and I'll still get caught. And then other times I'm like 197 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,159 that guy definitely should have seen and he doesn't, so it just doesn't like 198 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,360 it doesn't feel very solid in that way. And then like the game is 199 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:13,720 so hard, but the controls suck and has like kind of tank controls, 200 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,759 you know, in the weird perspective. So it's just you can't have a 201 00:11:16,799 --> 00:11:20,559 good firefight either, and there's just so many freaking enemies. So almost in 202 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,480 every single way, I'm really really disappointed with this game, except for like, 203 00:11:24,519 --> 00:11:28,679 you know, the music's great, of course, as it always is. 204 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,960 Even Family two you're talking about right now, this is specifically two, 205 00:11:31,039 --> 00:11:35,720 Yeah, specifically two. So one's like a one, I'd say, go 206 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,320 the thumbs out, damn it. Well, and this is like the thumb's 207 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,639 out around and then two is a getting the thumb down. So it's gonna 208 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,120 be up to three to see where the time is. Yeah, and from 209 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,200 what I like, even you know, to this day, I feel like 210 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,720 I still hear people say that three is their favorite in the series, and 211 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:52,480 I know Kirkland loves that game. Uh, and so I'm I'm I'm imagining 212 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,679 it's gonna take another swing in the opposite direction. I think from I heard 213 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,279 about five, I think I'm gonna love that game. Two. Yeah, 214 00:11:58,279 --> 00:12:00,639 I don't really know anything about four. I feel like I haven't heard too 215 00:12:00,639 --> 00:12:03,159 many people. Well I guess, you know, I've heard kirk Can talk 216 00:12:03,159 --> 00:12:05,960 about that one a little bit too, So I think I'll like that one 217 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,600 as well. Yeah, but it's weird because I feel like I've never heard 218 00:12:09,639 --> 00:12:11,879 people specifically hating on this game. But then I was googling after a couple 219 00:12:11,919 --> 00:12:15,279 hours, and I'm like, do people actually like this game? Like do 220 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:16,159 people like riding and stuff? And people are like, oh, yeah, 221 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,639 that game is not great. And so that's where I was a bit surprised. 222 00:12:18,759 --> 00:12:22,600 I just always thought that this whole series was beloved, and maybe the 223 00:12:22,639 --> 00:12:26,039 spinoffs or the you know, not mainline games or this stuff where the people 224 00:12:26,039 --> 00:12:30,200 weren't as into that weren't necessarily made by Kojima so much. But yeah, 225 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,000 it's it's a bit of a shock to the system. I was expecting that 226 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:37,399 this whole series, especially these early games, were gonna be killers, and 227 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,440 yeah, the first game was, even though it's super dated, and this 228 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,360 one just not working for me unfortunately. So hopefully it takes a good swing 229 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,000 a big upturn in the second half. But yeah, this first half, 230 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,799 well, I think I'm about halfway through, is pretty week so far. 231 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,279 I think there's definitely a lot of nostalage in there for people, just the 232 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,879 timing it hit and just even though I think the other thing, like we'll 233 00:12:56,879 --> 00:13:00,440 talk about later on, but I just think Kajima is great at if you 234 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,360 if you builds a world you like, you just are like, what's the 235 00:13:03,399 --> 00:13:05,759 lore, what's this story? And stuff like that. So yeah, I 236 00:13:05,799 --> 00:13:09,519 was gonna ask with three, when you play that, I guess maybe it's 237 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:13,440 going to depend on what you feel about that. Are you going to then 238 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,919 also play the remake when that comes out? Or is that going to be 239 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,240 depend on if you like or dislike this game. I mean, I think 240 00:13:18,279 --> 00:13:22,720 i'll Since I have the master collection here and I own three with it, 241 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,279 I think I will play this version as well, and if anything, that 242 00:13:26,279 --> 00:13:31,919 would probably make me have more excitement for that remake to to see it in 243 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,360 modern day. And is it Bluepoint making that I forget? Or is it 244 00:13:35,399 --> 00:13:45,200 someone else who's making that? Why do I feel like it's not Bluepoint? 245 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:54,840 But sound that sounds right? Yeah, it is made by or was this 246 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,279 or was that a situation? I thought that I was actually a situation. 247 00:14:00,039 --> 00:14:01,759 Maybe you'll prove me wrong on a second, but I thought the big scuttle 248 00:14:01,759 --> 00:14:05,840 butt was we'd never got a name of who was making it when they just 249 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,360 showed that teacher just saying Konami on Yeah, I think that's the whole thing 250 00:14:09,399 --> 00:14:13,799 is we still didn't get that word of who's Yeah, it just has developed 251 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,840 and published by Konami. So yeah, definitely not Blue Point, but we 252 00:14:16,879 --> 00:14:20,320 don't know much more than that, I suppose, so yeah, so yeah, 253 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,519 who knows what's gonna what's happening there? But yeah, I think I'll 254 00:14:22,519 --> 00:14:26,440 still play through this version, and I'm guessing after this i'll probably well, 255 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,679 I guess that game might come out later this year, so I should probably 256 00:14:28,679 --> 00:14:31,879 get on it right now playing take the third one? Maybe you think so 257 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,440 we've just got the teaser trailer. So far, we've heard nothing else. 258 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,559 Well, once again, I'm relying on Wikipedia here which said twenty twenty four. 259 00:14:37,759 --> 00:14:41,519 Maybe that's a lie. I don't know. We here in the state 260 00:14:41,519 --> 00:14:46,240 of play, which is maybe concerning for its release daten soon, So I 261 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,039 don't know. I guess I just feel like after two I maybe will want 262 00:14:50,039 --> 00:14:52,519 a bit of a break, But I don't know. If three is a 263 00:14:52,559 --> 00:14:54,639 whole lot better, maybe it'd be exciting to just jump straight into that. 264 00:14:54,679 --> 00:14:58,000 So I guess I haven't decided yet. We'll see you when I've finished this 265 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,639 what what games are out at that point in time. I still don't have 266 00:15:01,679 --> 00:15:05,279 like a busy season this year yet, just based on the release dates that 267 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:09,240 we know so far. So yeah, I don't think I have much else 268 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,240 to say on now when it's it's a bit of a disappointment. One section 269 00:15:11,279 --> 00:15:15,200 I did like was you have to go find these bombs. There's a lot 270 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,480 of backtracking, maybe more than I needed, but finding the bombs was actually 271 00:15:18,559 --> 00:15:22,440 quite enjoyab If you like look in bathrooms in the mirror and you'll see like 272 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,080 a weird reflection up to like where one is in the roof behind you, 273 00:15:24,159 --> 00:15:28,279 and it's just kind of fun looking around. You nor normally get quests like 274 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,840 that in video games. You normally just go to Place A, kill the 275 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:33,919 enemies, and then go to Place B, you know. So I like 276 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,120 that I got to do this fun, kind of wacky quest that had some 277 00:15:37,159 --> 00:15:39,919 timers on it and stuff. So that was maybe one section I like. 278 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,480 But yeah, other than that, it's been not a great experience so far, 279 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:45,600 but hoping that. Yeah, it takes an upswing into Melgear Solid three. 280 00:15:46,679 --> 00:15:50,480 Okay, how about with that, we just jumped straight into the State 281 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:56,639 of Play. So yeah, State of Play came out, which had really 282 00:15:56,759 --> 00:16:00,120 they had I guess advertised it as being the Rise of the Roan and in 283 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,159 Stellar Blade big showcases that's where you're gonna get the big inful on those games. 284 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,399 Then of course there's a bunch of other things that appeared, and des 285 00:16:07,399 --> 00:16:10,240 Strandy made an appearance, which is one of our favorites, so we'll talk 286 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,039 about that, of course. But yeah, what was your just overall takes 287 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,480 on this State of Play? Overall? I think it was a good show. 288 00:16:15,519 --> 00:16:22,759 I think it was similar to oh maybe wasn't the Xbox One. I 289 00:16:22,759 --> 00:16:25,559 feel like there was one before that. I don't think it was the was 290 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:26,840 the game awards? Was that a banger one or not a Banger one? 291 00:16:26,879 --> 00:16:30,639 I can't remember. Yeah, okay, so there must have been something before. 292 00:16:30,639 --> 00:16:33,720 Maybe it was just the last stay to play maybe to be honest, 293 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,080 where there just wasn't much for me. But this was I think overall good 294 00:16:37,159 --> 00:16:41,480 as far as it had. I think the broad overall for people, it 295 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,240 had a big you know, so you can say surprise, but I think 296 00:16:45,279 --> 00:16:47,799 we all kind of had idea that Destreinty had a good chance of being there, 297 00:16:47,799 --> 00:16:48,720 but it wasn't confirmed, right, And I think that had a very 298 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,919 good showing as far as whether you liked or not. It was lengthy, 299 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,840 so that's all you can ask for, right is they showed a lot of 300 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,240 things off, so I think there was a good variety. It was like 301 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:03,320 clocked around like forty five hours. It's forty two fo sorry, it's still 302 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,319 going. Actually it's still like forty two minutes. I thought it was like 303 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,359 a good you know pace. We had like a couple like you know, 304 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:14,000 Jideo and the guy would Who's what was the guy Herman? What's Herman Holst? 305 00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:15,960 Yeah? Who's that? Where where did he? I think he's the 306 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,359 head of Worldwide Studios is his job title at this point? So was it 307 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:25,000 because it he's not the role that Sean Lane was before, right, No, 308 00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:26,279 because it was Sean Laydon. And then who's the other guy took over 309 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,960 Leyden? I actually Herman might kind of. I think they never really fully 310 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:36,880 replaced Sean Layden's one position because now we had Yeah, Jim Ryan is like 311 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,839 he's to retire big guy. Yeah, but he's leaving. And Hermon Holsts 312 00:17:40,839 --> 00:17:44,960 I think is more of yeah, like on the download more gamer perspective. 313 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,599 I just felt like I was like, who is this gentleman? I have 314 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,000 no idea. I can't recall if he's been in the State of play before, 315 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,480 and I don't know if I just recognize his name from other PlayStation podcasts 316 00:17:53,519 --> 00:17:56,200 and whatnot. But but yeah, No, overall, I thought it was 317 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,559 a really good one. I thought there's a little mini surprises. I thought 318 00:17:59,559 --> 00:18:03,839 the pacing was good. I don't think anything like Outstay. It's welcome, 319 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:04,920 and it's kind of like if you don't like def Stranding, that was the 320 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,240 last thing and you can leave. And to me, it's not like even 321 00:18:07,279 --> 00:18:08,960 if I didn't like death Stranding, it's like, well, it's gonna be 322 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,880 one of the bigger games next year, so of course it would get a 323 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,680 showcase, right. It's not kind of like, well there's this random third 324 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,319 party that like, it's not like we got eight minutes of Suicide Squad killed 325 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:19,160 Justice League. You know, it's like, okay, this makes sense for 326 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,000 a business wise. So, No, I thought it was a really really 327 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,359 good show. I don't think it was like an all time that I'll remember, 328 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,880 but over I watched, it had good pacing, and yeah, I 329 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:33,200 think it was a good variety nice. Yeah, I thought it was well, 330 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:34,440 I guess I kind of two thoughts and no. One it felt a 331 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,359 lot like sometimes we're just getting Nintendo Direct and it feels like ninety five percent 332 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,559 of the Direct is just information about games that are getting ported to the Switch, 333 00:18:42,799 --> 00:18:45,519 and that's what this kind of felt like. There was a lot of 334 00:18:45,519 --> 00:18:49,039 third party games or like indies other things that we didn't technically know we're coming 335 00:18:49,079 --> 00:18:52,440 to PlayStation, and so they kind of like maybe confirmed it here, or 336 00:18:52,519 --> 00:18:56,559 like big games from last year or the year before that are now being ported 337 00:18:56,599 --> 00:19:00,279 over to PlayStation. So that stuff's not necessarily super exciting. A couple did 338 00:19:00,319 --> 00:19:04,160 come with extra bonuses, like David Diver had a cool crossover that we'll talk 339 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:08,359 about. But then I think they really got the job done in terms of 340 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,400 like they announced, Yeah, Riise the Rown Instellar Blade, that's what we're 341 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,599 focusing on, and I feel like I have a really good idea of what 342 00:19:14,599 --> 00:19:17,279 those two games look like. Now I have a really good idea what their 343 00:19:17,319 --> 00:19:21,240 gameplay is, and like without going yeah for fifteen minutes on them, I 344 00:19:21,279 --> 00:19:23,640 feel like I got a really good display of what they are. And then 345 00:19:23,759 --> 00:19:26,799 yeah, this stranding was kind of rumored going in. I think I would 346 00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:29,880 have been a bit let down if it didn't close on that. It needed 347 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,119 to close on something big, I think for just what the quality of the 348 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,039 state of play was, and to close on that was was really sweet and 349 00:19:36,079 --> 00:19:38,079 it was a huge showcase. And then obviously there was another little surprise with 350 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,960 Kajima there at the end too, So overall I think it was a really 351 00:19:41,319 --> 00:19:45,880 good show. Some of that porty and stuff wasn't super exciting, but then 352 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,599 I thought for every single game across the board, I thought the showings were 353 00:19:48,599 --> 00:19:52,359 really good, really good focus on gameplay or if there was story stuff, 354 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,279 it was condensed and like good information so I just thought the actual construction of 355 00:19:56,319 --> 00:20:00,640 it and the gameplay we saw was all really really top much from like every 356 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,119 single game pretty much. So that's not That's something we always complain about, 357 00:20:03,279 --> 00:20:06,359 is like, why am I watching this video game thing if I'm not going 358 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:07,559 to see gameplay? I want to see what the game actually plays like, 359 00:20:07,599 --> 00:20:12,559 and we got that here. So yeah, let's dive into it. First 360 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:15,319 off was Hell Divers too. It is more of a launch trailer. Looks 361 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,759 a great game. What really, it looks like a great game, looks 362 00:20:18,759 --> 00:20:22,200 like it's gonna get highly reviewed very well. Looks like people are gonna really 363 00:20:22,319 --> 00:20:25,920 enjoy this game, you would hope, so as the guy who has on 364 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,799 your draft list. No, I think for that audience, it does seem 365 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:32,519 super solid. Yeah, I don't think there's really much new. Here's more 366 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:36,359 just like a launch trailer because that game is coming out, like I think 367 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,480 this week, next week or this week isn't like the ninth or something like 368 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,839 that. I'm trying to confirm, but I do believe it is this week. 369 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,079 Yeah. Yeah, it looked like good enough, But like, I 370 00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:48,640 don't have much to add because it's a I kind of just learned about this 371 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,759 franchise this year by looking into the draft. But uh yeah, so m 372 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,000 hmmm, looking back, I forget if in my notes I might have cut 373 00:20:56,039 --> 00:20:59,559 a couple of smaller things, but I don't think I cut too much. 374 00:20:59,559 --> 00:21:02,359 But yeah, next up was Stellar Blade, which I don't think had to 375 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,079 released it before this, but now we know it's coming out April twenty sixth, 376 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,359 and yeah, I think that this was once again, like like I 377 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:14,119 said, a really all encompassing sort of look at the game. I feel 378 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:15,400 like I never really understood what the structure of it was, and I maybe 379 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,960 I have a better idea of what it was now. And at first I 380 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,279 always thought this game was kind of more of a Bayonetta sort of game, 381 00:21:22,279 --> 00:21:25,920 like a character action sort of situation, but now to me, it seems 382 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:30,160 a lot more like near specifically near automata as the vibes I'm getting here with 383 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,480 like the post apocalyptic setting, some of the music has that that the way 384 00:21:33,519 --> 00:21:38,319 the action is constructed, in the way you're building your character, certain visual 385 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,240 things, it's really giving off near automative vibes, which is great. That's 386 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,839 a very popular game and game I really enjoyed playing through. So I think 387 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,440 it looks. I think it looks really solid, you know, not a 388 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,000 console solo for me. I'm not gonna go finally buy my PSO five to 389 00:21:52,039 --> 00:21:55,599 get to get my hands on it, but I hope it is in that 390 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,720 like PlayStation Plus catalog at some point in the future and I can jump in 391 00:21:57,759 --> 00:22:02,319 and check it out, because this looks really solid. Like visually, of 392 00:22:02,319 --> 00:22:07,240 course it looks amazing. Yes, yeah, yeah, this I think for 393 00:22:07,319 --> 00:22:11,759 me of my issue with this one, and I'm watching it again. Uh, 394 00:22:11,799 --> 00:22:15,359 it just still continues to be my issue as far as it looked like 395 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,160 a lot was going on in this and not so much like from a story. 396 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,599 It just looked like one of those games where you pick it up and 397 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,039 as all these things that you can do, and then I go, do 398 00:22:23,079 --> 00:22:26,279 I really want to do these things? Now? Some games you can just 399 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:29,160 go to I'm just gonna go down this path or do this sort of thing. 400 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:30,279 Like we've thought about this fault before, right where I think you and 401 00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:34,079 I maybe just tinkered with fault for like the house building system or stuff like 402 00:22:34,079 --> 00:22:37,279 that, But that wasn't for us, right, and it doesn't have that 403 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:38,920 sense. I just mean for the character and just certain game mechanics. So 404 00:22:40,559 --> 00:22:42,000 I had heard because it had like an anime aesthetics. I was like, 405 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,400 Okay, that's probably not gonna be my alley. But i'd heard lots of 406 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,200 like hype and people like oh I want to see more, want to see 407 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,559 more. So I think it was like I good enough showing. I think 408 00:22:49,559 --> 00:22:52,279 it wasn't too long. It was like maybe close to being too long, 409 00:22:52,319 --> 00:22:56,279 but it is, what's the data for this one again now April twenty sixth 410 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:00,279 April twenty six, So yeah, I think it deserves like they'll probably do 411 00:23:00,319 --> 00:23:03,319 some more, but I think that deserves a longer showing again. Something got 412 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:04,880 to show up there. So yeah, I just, uh, I don't 413 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,160 think this one I would be picking up unless I hear universal claim, just 414 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,160 because it just looked like there's a lot going on, and there's other games, 415 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,680 like you said near talking about that, I've still not gone around to 416 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,480 that. I'd probably start with, you know, So yeah, it just 417 00:23:18,759 --> 00:23:21,880 looks like a very busy game. But like you said, visually looking really 418 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,599 good. No, it's funny. I had the same thought as you where 419 00:23:23,599 --> 00:23:26,000 they had a section where they were like showing off some of the skill tree 420 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,160 and they're showing off the crafty menu, and I was like, guys, 421 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,000 not every game needs crafty. This crafty looks so lame and like, I'll 422 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,759 never want to spend any minute doing it. But then you know, probably 423 00:23:36,759 --> 00:23:40,480 to some extent for game balance, you'll have to do some of that mechanics 424 00:23:40,519 --> 00:23:42,519 to make sure your characters the right level and whatnot. So yeah, it 425 00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:45,519 definitely seemed a bit heavy, and that I think that also gives me near 426 00:23:45,599 --> 00:23:48,200 vibes because that game just has way more going on than it possibly needs. 427 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:53,839 But but yeah, there's that one Stellar Blade. Next up was Sonic X 428 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:59,079 Shadow Generations. They're more of a Sonic guy than me. Any any thoughts 429 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:00,599 on this one, No, I just know that this was one that was 430 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,240 rumored. I think they're being very smart because Shadows in the movie next Year 431 00:24:04,519 --> 00:24:07,559 there's a hose based that seems like they're a big part of this trailers. 432 00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:11,839 I guess Shadow was not in the first Generations maybe yeah, And as I'm 433 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,759 no, he was not. No, And as I'm learning, Shadow just 434 00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:18,359 has a very popular fan base. And then I think with this it is 435 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,119 the OG game, but they're adding more to it. So because there was 436 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,519 like Song Generations, so I think there's like it's almost not like it's a 437 00:24:25,559 --> 00:24:29,559 new game. Plus I think it's more vast than that. But happy for 438 00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:32,519 the Senate the Sonic Shadow fans, so there you go. Happy for the 439 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:37,400 Senate. Yeah, had for the Senate. Next up, this will probably 440 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,880 be a quick Shadow but Zenless Zone zero, which I freaking love that title. 441 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,519 I think that's an amazing title. Back. I mean, Kirkland did 442 00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:47,759 that, like ranking the best video game titles of all time. If I 443 00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:49,200 if this game, I guess was out, I maybe would have included. 444 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,039 I think it's really fun. But this is the next game from the Moyo 445 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,920 verse, I think is a developer who did like cats An Impact and then 446 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,279 Honky Starrail which came out last year or two years ago, which yeah, 447 00:25:00,279 --> 00:25:02,279 for the Weeds, those are like the biggest games in the world. They're 448 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:03,720 huge, have huge following, so I think it's a good shout out for 449 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,559 them to have this here coming to PS five. I think that was a 450 00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:11,160 new announcement because I think previously is maybe just only like and uh Android and 451 00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:15,759 on phones, so that's pretty big for that audience. Pretty cool, but 452 00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:18,559 I don't think for me, you that's gonna do a whole lot. No. 453 00:25:18,839 --> 00:25:22,039 Next up, Yeah, Foam Stars another game that I don't think we 454 00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:22,960 knew is coming to PlayStation. Yeah, what do you think? This is 455 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:29,160 almost like another non company, non Nintendo company trying their take on Splatoon is 456 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,119 Oh I know, Yeah, good vibe I get from it. This has 457 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,400 popped up before. I don't know if it was the last stay of player 458 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,319 or whatnot, but I just remember looking at this being like, what are 459 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,920 we doing here? No, I uh maybe on some stream next year, 460 00:25:40,079 --> 00:25:41,880 come to November and it's a downloadable game made some week. If it was 461 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,400 free play, I would check out, Yeah that's that's I mean my bay 462 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,480 Station Plus or something. But yeah, no, I uh all. I 463 00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:52,359 just feel like, if you want to do games like this, you have 464 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:53,680 to have a certain charm, and I just don't think this game has enough 465 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,960 of that charm that Splatoon has, you know, I think them being almost 466 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:02,160 more not realistic but like human characters. I don't think that's the route to 467 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,920 go. So it just I just look at it. I just don't know. 468 00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:08,240 I don't know why you would make this game but a last Hey, 469 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,359 maybe it comes out and people really like it. You never know what games 470 00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:15,279 like take off nowadays, right, So I just get worried whenever I see 471 00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:18,920 these games because I just I just feel like that shelf life is so limited 472 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,440 now, where the more and more come out, the more and more people 473 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:23,559 are gonna be spread between these games, and then if they don't have that 474 00:26:23,599 --> 00:26:26,119 audience, they shut the servers down and the games is unplayable. And it's 475 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:32,119 like that, yeah, Dogible game was super cool, that whatever, that 476 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,160 wrestling Battle Royale game. That game looks super fun, but now the servers 477 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,640 are offline. So it just feels like it's so hard to get these things 478 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,960 to be successful and take off. And I think FOLM Stars is, unfortunately 479 00:26:42,039 --> 00:26:45,720 me those ones that just has a few months of popping off. But I 480 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,400 could see within a year or two that they have that announcement at the very 481 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,200 least of shutting the servers down. I hope you were wrong, but I 482 00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:53,759 just I don't know where. There's only so many gamers that are into this 483 00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:56,400 kind of genre, and it seems like every year they're getting and more split 484 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,359 between different games, and it's just like movies and TV. Like though we 485 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,440 talk about today like this year being a light year, that doesn't matter because 486 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,440 there's so many people that have games to catch up on our new game. 487 00:27:06,519 --> 00:27:08,680 Like, there's so many games out there. It's harder than ever nowadays for 488 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,799 like Spark, So that's where it's like with this, it's like foam starts. 489 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,400 Oh, was this the best for your resources? But hey, you 490 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,960 never know, right, So I think if that were too maybe this was 491 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,680 announced in there and I didn't notice it, But if this was like in 492 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:23,960 a PlayStation plus, I think that would be a good way to get people 493 00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:27,480 in the door. Potentially. I think I would check it out in that 494 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,880 kind of way. And in terms of like any one of these battle rails 495 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,759 that drops on game Pass, I'm always like, yeah, I'll check it 496 00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:36,400 out for a few games, see what it's like. And that's the Dodgeball 497 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:37,799 one did that though, right, that was a game Yeah, and then 498 00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:41,599 the same thing just didn't didn't happen, So gonna last forever. Yeah. 499 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,599 The next port was Day of the Diver, which is coming over to PlayStation 500 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,799 in April. This is a great get. This is one of the biggest 501 00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:51,880 games from last year. Not an indie game, but it looks like an 502 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,720 indie game. The announcement here, which I think was cool to have a 503 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:59,240 new announcement with this is that in May they're doing a Godzilla crossover with the 504 00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:02,799 game, which is cool because there was there was already that crossover it did 505 00:28:02,839 --> 00:28:07,319 with Dredge, another very similar looking game, and now Godzilla. I think 506 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,920 it's really fun that they're getting to do all these big crossovers for what feels 507 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,000 like a pretty small game, and so soon after it releases too. So 508 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,559 yeah, that's coming out in May. So the game comes out in April 509 00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:18,799 and then in May get a nice content boost. It's like a nice one 510 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,799 two punch for a PlayStation platform. That's good Godzilla's heart right now. And 511 00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:26,839 plus that the movie I think is coming out on March, so good synergy. 512 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:33,559 Right, Yeah Godzilla, Yeah, time X they're on the same tam 513 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,920 And then the other one, v Rising. This is a vampire sort of 514 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,160 Valaheim looking game. This has been in early access on Steam for a long 515 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:47,319 time. I know Briggs has tried to talk me into playing this game. 516 00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:49,599 We've never gone around to it. But this is coming out now, I 517 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:55,599 guess officially one twenty four, and we'll be coming to PlayStation as well when 518 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,279 it leaves early access. So that's cool. Good for them, Yeah, 519 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:00,960 look it looks didn't look like a game on to play, but I liked 520 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,799 some of the visuals. That's where I kind of was at, so fair 521 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,000 enough. Next up, we have a little one two here for Silent Hill. 522 00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:12,200 So first was Silent Hill. This short message, this is a shadow 523 00:29:12,279 --> 00:29:17,920 drop free on PlayStation trives. You've been playing this game, so tell me 524 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,359 about it. Yeah, I did so obviously. The reason I dipped into 525 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,160 because I am somebody that talking about ketch up on games. Like I was 526 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,359 a big fan of the Resident Evil games that's like in that era of you 527 00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:30,400 know, like Mario Arperteam Mental Gear, Like I played a bunch of them, 528 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,200 and I played I have the remake spot, but I haven't got through 529 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,720 them. So I was a Resident Evil guy, never a Silent Hill guy. 530 00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:38,720 I've never touched any of those really, just never been around them. 531 00:29:40,119 --> 00:29:42,920 So all my touchtoone really is is what we've talked about many many times the 532 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,680 podcast and people talk about for decades was pt right as part of this, 533 00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:49,279 oh you know Kagema and this and that. So that's where for me it's 534 00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:52,359 like, okay, this is anytime we do a shadow drop, and I 535 00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:53,519 found it was two hours because like I've said before, I have like a 536 00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:57,000 shriket to not playing games until like the movie comes out, other than drop 537 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,160 it on call duty here or there. So I'm like, okay, I 538 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,119 was like, oh, it's around two hours, I'll do that. It's 539 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,279 Shadow Drop, it's free, and it was people were trying to say that, 540 00:30:04,359 --> 00:30:08,519 right, It's like them doing a spin on like PTE where it is 541 00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:12,799 you're going through rooms. Yeah, so I think that's where it's smart to 542 00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:15,680 do that. And I think they're trying to make a we'll talk about the 543 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,559 next one with the remake, like they're trying to make a little comeback. 544 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,279 I don't think they captured exactly like what pt could have been, because I 545 00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:26,759 think it's and I guess like it's a trigger warning, but the game deals 546 00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:30,960 with a suicide and a lot of bowling aspects and stuff. So it's weird 547 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:37,920 because I think it's like it's close to being something. I don't know if 548 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,200 it needed to cook more. I just don't know if the writing was good, 549 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,000 Like I think some of the themes are really good, but I just 550 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,119 don't think they hit home in the same way. And this wasn't meant to 551 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,319 be pun and intended but it felt like it was a horror version of Gone 552 00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:51,319 Home, but not to the same extent where it's like you're finding lots of 553 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:56,559 articles and it's like updating you school bowling or somebody to report this and again. 554 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,240 So it's kind of you're unraveling a little into spiritral. It's in like 555 00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:04,720 an abandoned school, like it's it it's iffy. There's a lot of ghost 556 00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:08,400 stuff, so it's like one of these things are like the school's still open, 557 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,200 but it feels like, why does it look this creepy? Like it's 558 00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:15,319 very odd because that's how Yeah, that's how it starts pretty much, and 559 00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:19,039 that's where how it starts. As you're walking this building and there's like a 560 00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:25,440 whole tribute to someone that jumps committed suicide by jumping off this building, and 561 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,160 the whole how it starts is you just wake up in the school and you 562 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,880 get a text from that person that is heads. That's where the spookiness comes, 563 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,839 like, oh, what's going on. One aspect I did really like 564 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,279 is so you're going through this, you know, multiple layers of the school. 565 00:31:38,279 --> 00:31:41,279 It's really just maybe a couple floors, but it's like it's pretty small, 566 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,240 if you die or get caught by the monster. You right away, 567 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,480 it'll like you'll get stabbed and they'll stop, and then it'll reverse all your 568 00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:52,880 gameplay you just played, and then the character wakes up again, so it's 569 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,000 like they had a dream. And I do think there's still because I when 570 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,279 I looked up the screen time, it's like, oh, how do you 571 00:31:57,359 --> 00:32:00,640 unlock cherry Blossom? So I don't think I've done everything you can in the 572 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:05,400 game. I think it's a game that has like multiple endings or multiple avenues. 573 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,160 I think they're all probably smaller, but the second I finished it, 574 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,359 I won't say for spoilers, it's a I'd say if you like those type 575 00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:14,000 of horror games, it's a smaller one, like it's worth maybe a little 576 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,519 playthrough. But it's also not one where it's like, oh, you gotta 577 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:20,240 check it out. Like if someone said, oh, hey, like is 578 00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:22,599 it like I said, I think you have to like that genre, you 579 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,839 have to like horror games, it'd be different someone's like, oh, I'm 580 00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:28,240 not really that into horror games. Should I play it? If it's not 581 00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:30,039 like a top tier like you know all the time like Outlast, right, 582 00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:34,079 or that's when it's like oh, that's like a perfect first person or like 583 00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:36,799 Resident Evil seven. Those are longer games, but I mean like, if 584 00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:42,039 you're not into it, you don't have to. But yeah, I I 585 00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:45,480 appreciated that. I appreciate that it seems like there is because when I completed 586 00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:50,480 this story, it again took me all the way back to the beginning and 587 00:32:50,519 --> 00:32:52,960 then the character wakes up and you're kind of like having almost like how describe 588 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,680 in matrix where there's like deja vu, but it feels like that's like the 589 00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:00,000 coding right, like the data cycle. Yeah, the day of view is 590 00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:02,200 very much like ghost stuff. And I will say though, that's why I 591 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:07,400 think that that's where I wish the message was a bit stronger, just hit 592 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,480 home more, because I don't think it's it could have been like a bit 593 00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:15,400 scarier. I think that that was my thing where yeah, like it works 594 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:17,279 enough, but even like the big monster's not too scary, Like I just 595 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,279 I think that's that's the thing. Where with PT, it kind of felt 596 00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:24,759 like that of course they're in a scary school or stuff, but kind of 597 00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:28,400 like everything was really scary, where it just kind of feels like just the 598 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,799 monster is more the scary part and it's not even that scary of a monster. 599 00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:35,400 It's someone with like like because the girl that committed suicide an artist, 600 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,839 so it's like flowers and it's like, I don't know, so it it 601 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,720 was a fun little play and I might try to like go back a little 602 00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:45,519 bit because I still want to see, like okay, because there's multiple times 603 00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:50,279 where you'll exit a room and there is three ways you can go, so 604 00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:53,440 I think there are different endings and like different things. I just was at 605 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,759 a point where I completed one and it's like, oh, I don't know 606 00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:58,640 if I want to go, like I didn't remember if I took like a 607 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,759 right, left or middle. I didn't want to buy chance, like take 608 00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:04,720 the same pass. I was like, okay, I maybe we'll jump back 609 00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:07,760 into this like another time. So it was interesting enough, and I appreciate 610 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,599 the shadow drop, but I don't also think it's a good enough that's gonna 611 00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:15,360 get people talking a bunch. But because it was free and I was interested 612 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:16,920 in the tray, I thought I'll give a try. And I liked enough 613 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,599 what I play in nice. I like the like that you're using your phone 614 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:23,440 as like the flashlight in this game. Yeah, and it goes in and 615 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,960 out and stuff like that, which also I appreciate because I at first when 616 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,880 I saw that didn't like that. I thought, oh, that could be 617 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,719 annoying, but it's not always out all the time, So I appreciate that 618 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,920 you kind of had some vibes going on. So yeah, uh, why 619 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,400 is this game free? In your opinion? Is it a good idea that 620 00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:44,639 like we're trying to make people Silent Hill fans? It just feels like I 621 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:46,800 think, so, wouldn't you do that with maybe more because it sounds like 622 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,559 the game is kind of just yeah, it's fine, it's all right, 623 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,920 Like I don't know if this's like, is this making you be like, 624 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,440 man, I gotta go back and check out the Silent Hole catalog and I 625 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:59,199 can't wait for this remaking out and all this stuff. No, not really 626 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,079 like it's I think it is designed just to get out there because Sign and 627 00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:06,119 Hill has been dead for I don't know so how long, Like I feel 628 00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:07,920 like it's been a good minute. So I think it's just that. And 629 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:13,559 I think maybe it's something that they put it. I'm not gonna say it's 630 00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:15,599 unfinished, but maybe they thought, ah, we put a right amount of 631 00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:19,320 funds into it, let's stop here, or maybe they could have put a 632 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,119 little bit more and got over that edge, because the other thing I forgot 633 00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:24,440 to mention too is there's literal cut scenes with human actors in here, not 634 00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:29,039 video game character human actors, so it's like a hybrid thing. So I 635 00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:31,079 feel like maybe that's where they had this idea and went, Okay, this 636 00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:35,159 is the budget, this is where we can get That's where I think it 637 00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:37,119 was always designed to put out this way. I just think that maybe they 638 00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:39,440 could have spent a little bit more to make it bigger. But I think 639 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,079 it's just try to get that name out there because Signed Hill has been dead 640 00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:46,079 for so long. I think it's tough because it just has that like the 641 00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:51,519 legend of John Hammer's Sword as pt like that's always gonna be, you know, 642 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,679 the one who got away, right, and we'll talk about it. 643 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,320 But I'm not a Signed Hill guy. But that remake foished me. That 644 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,800 didn't sell me and my feed, which A'm not saying still with Sign Hill 645 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,079 people, but the people that had were fans or played Silent Hill didn't seem 646 00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:07,199 like they were responding too positively to it either. So I just think that 647 00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:12,719 I don't know, I don't know what the path is for sign Hill, 648 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,559 but that's the thing. It's just to get their name out there, just 649 00:36:14,599 --> 00:36:16,840 to get in the zeitgeistuff. Oh, Silent Hill's back, you know, 650 00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:22,000 mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. So speaking along with that Silent Hill two, 651 00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:23,880 which we knew this was in development, I don't think we've seen it. 652 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,960 Maybe we've got a teaser. I guess. I think that Teeserman have 653 00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:30,840 only been like a cinematic two as well. Yeah, like this seems like 654 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,760 the first time I have actually seen this in the flesh. So a couple 655 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,519 of things. So we know Blueber Team is working on this. Blueber Team 656 00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:42,360 previously did The Medium, which came out I want to say two or three 657 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,719 years ago, which was like an Xbox horror game that yeah, I was 658 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,320 it was. I didn't actually end up playing it, but it seemed like 659 00:36:49,519 --> 00:36:52,599 it was it was okay, or even some people didn't like it very much. 660 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,639 So I think from that perspective, big Silent Hill fans are maybe a 661 00:36:54,639 --> 00:36:59,159 bit concerned or worried, like, ah, why is this team working on 662 00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:01,199 this remaking of if they're being very faithful and just trying to make it one 663 00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:06,960 to one with updated graphics and maybe new quality of life stuff. Then I 664 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,480 think you're in you know, good hands there, Like it's not like that 665 00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:12,880 medium game was broken or anything and just to blow people away. So I 666 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,280 think that's probably fine, and I, you know, for them, I 667 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,840 hope that this is a really really well done remake because I also, yeah, 668 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,119 Silent Hills a huge blind spot for me, especially Silent Hill two is 669 00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:24,400 the one that I think people praise is like one of the at least their 670 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,320 favorite in the series and one of their favorite games of all time. So 671 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,199 I definitely want to go back and check it out, and this seems like 672 00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:32,000 a great time to do it. And so hopefully this remake comes out and 673 00:37:32,159 --> 00:37:36,119 is pretty good, and I think that that would be huge for Bluebird Team, 674 00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:39,159 that would put them on this whole other course for their studio. But 675 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,039 I mean, yeah, my first impression here is that, like, okay, 676 00:37:43,039 --> 00:37:45,519 I've been playing these Resident Evil remakes and they look fucking amazing, and 677 00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:50,000 then I see this and it's like, this looks like an Xbox One, 678 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,880 maybe Xbox like late three sixty game, Like I don't know. I got 679 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,719 to see more of it, for sure, but I wasn't I wasn't blown 680 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,679 away, and just seeing the gameplay in the story, I also was like, 681 00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:02,559 yeah, I don't know if I'm really that compelled by this world and 682 00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:06,360 this this gameplay and all that. So I don't know what it is about 683 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,840 something. I don't know if it's the story that people love, if it 684 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,559 is the gameplay, if it is the horror elements, just the whole aesthetic. 685 00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:14,719 I'm not exactly sure what it is people love about this game, just 686 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,719 because it has been kind of niche and gone for a while. But I 687 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:22,280 hope this ends up being really great because this would be a really good time 688 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,320 for me to jump into the series for the first time. I don't think 689 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,519 it's gonna be really great. I just just from that vibe, and that's 690 00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:31,079 where I just when I brought the budget think it's it's just because there's been 691 00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:35,039 stuff with Konami and they've been known as like and not in a mean way, 692 00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:38,159 just like pay pinchers or they're just like they've yeah, been like a 693 00:38:38,199 --> 00:38:43,159 garbage publisher for the last year, so that's few years. That's why I 694 00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:45,239 just feel like with this game, it's like, oh, it feels like 695 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,280 something could have been there. It's like a fun, small experience, and 696 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,760 like it's had fun enough. It's not like if I scammed me, like, 697 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,280 oh, like a six out of ten, like so it'd be like 698 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,159 passable. I don't think it's bad, but I feel like there was moments 699 00:38:54,159 --> 00:38:57,559 like oh this actually, I think really could have been something that could have 700 00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:00,719 got a lot of chatter and hype and everything. But yeah, that's where 701 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,519 I we're with this and another game if they always might just go to like, 702 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,280 well, we hit the bare minimum, you know, and that's about 703 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:08,480 it, Like let's get that out there. And I feel like they see 704 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,320 the success of Resident Evil and they go, oh, well, they're doing 705 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,280 it, so we can do the same thing. But there's a reason those 706 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,599 are so successful because the Resident Evil remix don't feel like they are just pushed 707 00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:22,360 out. Of course, everything is a product, so yeah, of course 708 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,679 everything is a product, but that feels polished and lots of like you said, 709 00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:28,159 love and effort put into them. With son Hill say, I'm not 710 00:39:28,159 --> 00:39:30,960 saying the developers aren't that because I'm su they're working hard. It might just 711 00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:35,000 also be that they are limiting what they have and Konomi may only care to 712 00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:37,000 a certain point. So absolutely and I mean, like the team's just not 713 00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:43,000 as knowledgeable or not as doesn't have as much experience as these resident Evil teams 714 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,159 who have been making these remikes for like so long in making these games, 715 00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:49,400 so they just have I don't know, more repertoire to do that sort of 716 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,519 thing. So, yeah, there you go, there's Silent Hill. I'm 717 00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:57,760 definitely gonna check out short message whenever I get my PS five, that'll definitely 718 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,480 be on the download list. There, let's take our first break and then 719 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:07,840 we'll get into more of this state of play. Okay, So next up 720 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:15,280 was Judas. Yeah, so Judas is a game from the original creator of 721 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,519 BioShock, Ken Levine, So the original BioShock and then I guess BioShock Infinite 722 00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:22,000 he came back for, and then for a few years now he's been building 723 00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:25,039 up his studio here and this is the game that they've been working on, 724 00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:29,199 and it looks a lot like BioShock. We've seen it before. I think 725 00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:32,360 we got a little bit more gameplay here than we have previously. It's so 726 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,679 similar to BioShock. So I'm really just looking at that as my frame of 727 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,840 reference in terms of the kind of world. It seems more whimsical, I 728 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,920 would say that BioShock more whimsical than horror, though there is still quite a 729 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,320 lot of horror elements to it. But just in terms of like the character 730 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:51,039 design, absolutely, it feels like the enemies you see if BioShock was, 731 00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:53,079 like if the horror genre was, if you were to list off here, 732 00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:55,599 what are the three genres that was maybe one? I feel like that might 733 00:40:55,639 --> 00:40:59,920 be the third now instead of before. I think you're right on the whimsical 734 00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:04,559 aspect. Yeah. Yeah, And in terms of like I this, this 735 00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:07,199 trailer did not grab me on a story front, I'm probably gonna check this 736 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:12,280 game out for sure. I really enjoyed going back to BioShock one. That 737 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,039 game stood up the test, stood the test of the time, and I 738 00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:16,760 played it a couple of years ago for the first time. Uh, really 739 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,719 interested in this, but I don't know if this trailer really blew me away. 740 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,039 Uh Yeah, the story, I don't really know much about it yet, 741 00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:25,039 but I'm sure the gameplay will be fun. And it's kind of got 742 00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:29,599 like the hand plasmids like BioShock has, so it feels very similar to that. 743 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,199 So yeah, looking looking forward to it. I don't even think we 744 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,199 got to release date here, So I don't know if I really needed this 745 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,039 trailer at this point in time. Yeah, I'm surprised. I thought they 746 00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:40,079 might get it or even like a window or something like that, but uh, 747 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,719 yeah, I just this comes from the worst person because I've never one 748 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,760 day will I've never played a BioShock game, and I don't know why because 749 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,760 I'm a horror guy. But there was just something there that I guess just 750 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,519 didn't grab me. As like Emil squa, I had to get this game 751 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,000 right and then the same thing here. But this is me speaking completely the 752 00:41:57,039 --> 00:42:00,360 minority, because I feel like most of my feed and people I know seem 753 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,639 very excited about this game, where this is like the inject in my veins. 754 00:42:02,639 --> 00:42:06,920 I feel like people are very excited to see like his Fault. It's 755 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,320 very like we're very much in this era. I think even for directors to 756 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,840 like for movies and then video games, where you see they work with a 757 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,039 company, want to make something but can't and it's like the spiritual success, 758 00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:21,320 right. I feel like we're getting a lot of that. So I'm happy 759 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,039 for those fans that love those original Bioshot or the original Bioshot game and you're 760 00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:29,400 kind of getting somebody that's making their equivalent to that, but also with like 761 00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:32,280 I'm not saying they had shackles before, but really the shackles off because it's 762 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,599 their deal, right, Like it's this, and that can be a good 763 00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:38,519 thing or bad thing because sometimes other people's visions on something else might enhance it. 764 00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:45,559 So for me personally, I just haven't been I haven't been hooked yet 765 00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:49,039 because I know people are really hyped. And I understood why people really hyped 766 00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:52,760 the first go around because it was just that announcement and the developer and the 767 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:53,679 person behind it. But Okay, this makes sense if you like that, 768 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,920 you like that, And I was like, okay, maybe, and I 769 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,920 think there were rumors this was going to be here, So it's like I'm 770 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,159 kind of waiting to get that hype and maybe I just have to go at 771 00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:04,920 some point and play that first Biostruk, which is all on my bucket list, 772 00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:07,760 and then I might just be like that full euphoria moment of like, 773 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,400 oh, once I play that, I see this. But as like a 774 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:14,199 mainstream guy or like a casual I guess that hasn't played those games, that 775 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,159 doesn't have much interest, it still hasn't got me to be like, Okay, 776 00:43:16,199 --> 00:43:20,119 I got to jump in there. My biggest comparison always was elem Ring 777 00:43:20,199 --> 00:43:22,079 right. For some reason, I had no interest in those games before, 778 00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:25,000 but something about that lead up in the market is like, hey, I 779 00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:28,679 want to dip my toes. This isn't this hasn't got me yet. I'm 780 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,440 keeping my toes dry right now. So yeah, I mean, I feel 781 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:35,559 like you got that trilogy to go back to still, like, I don't 782 00:43:35,559 --> 00:43:37,559 think you need a rush after this one. BioShock one held it really well. 783 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,199 BioShock two I enjoyed as well. I think I was. I was 784 00:43:42,199 --> 00:43:44,440 maybe just like a bit burnt out because I played them like back to back 785 00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:46,880 and like the Biostok two is a lot more combat, and I was just 786 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,800 like a burnt out by the end of the experience. And then so I 787 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,280 still have Infinite on my back log. I'll get to it at some point, 788 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,880 but I want to give myself a break to recharge, but I probably 789 00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:00,800 do it soon because I want to do that and then maybe jump into Judas 790 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,480 here. So we'll keep it on that one. Next up, we saw 791 00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:07,639 a couple VR games, so I was really curious going into this state of 792 00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:12,239 play, what the display would be for VR. Because that headset came out 793 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,159 like close to a year ago. Now I feel like there hasn't been a 794 00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:19,559 ton of releases for it, at least from Sony pushing things out. It's 795 00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:22,800 more third party stuff and that's what these two games are. But the first 796 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,920 one they had was Metro Awakening, which is a VR exclusive Metro game, 797 00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:30,559 and I thought this was great. I think it looked amazing, looked really 798 00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:35,039 really solid from a VR perspective. It looked like a really well put together 799 00:44:35,159 --> 00:44:37,719 Metro game. Now, maybe it's like only two hours long and that's the 800 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,760 catch or something, but I think it looked awesome, and I think this 801 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,679 was a really good kind of level of an IP for them to get. 802 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,840 You know, maybe that's not necessarily gonna sell a headset, but like you 803 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,280 know, if you want, like there to be a God of War game, 804 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:52,639 and that's what you get people to buy. But it just seems like 805 00:44:53,159 --> 00:44:57,800 at this point, Sony's investing in VR, but it doesn't seem like they 806 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,360 want a ton of their first party studios to actually be the one to make 807 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,800 those games. And so however much money they'd put into the studio to make 808 00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:06,559 Metro Waking, and I don't know if it's the same team that made some 809 00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:08,480 of these other Metro games. Have to look into that, but I thought 810 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,679 this is a really great showing. There's a jump scaring here that got me 811 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,119 in real time. I was like, oh, it got me good. 812 00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:16,599 So yeah, I was really impressed by that and surprise too. It's not 813 00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:20,480 the kind of IP that I expected. But then when I saw it, 814 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,599 I'm like, oh, this seems actually like a perfect addition to that, 815 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,840 to that platform, I suppose. Yeah, I think you're right where it 816 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,760 looked good, it looked entertaining. It's just tough for me to like always 817 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,280 lock in because I just know I'll never own a VR for stuff like that. 818 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,000 You know. It's like this week called that Apple Vision popping off. 819 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,679 It's like, that's not anything I'm gonna I'm not gonna have, you know, 820 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,280 so, but yeah, it look this looked like something though, like 821 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,280 if someone had it and we were doing during stream, sure I would try 822 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:46,960 it. But it does look like one of the better ones. Because I 823 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,760 do agree with you where at least this looked dentantained, where I feel like 824 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,440 we've seen many of VR games where you go, Okay, you could maybe, 825 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,760 And I'm not talking about games where it's like, oh, fall forward 826 00:45:55,840 --> 00:46:00,280 now, I'm not talking about games that were like kind of yeah, made 827 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,840 after the fact. Most times they feel gimmicky and no in the sense that 828 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,000 that doesn't mean they're a game, but it just looks like something where I 829 00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:08,519 go, Okay, this would be fun for maybe a day, and then 830 00:46:08,559 --> 00:46:10,719 I'd maybe be down with this. You know. It feels like some of 831 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,599 those like kind of wee games in the past where it's like, oh, 832 00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:16,480 you would only bust us out if you had other people home or around, 833 00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:20,199 so, and a lot of VR games feel like that were this does not 834 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,840 so Yeah. VR's like I just felt like year it was what twenty twenty, 835 00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:28,280 I think when Half Life Alex came out and that game was huge, 836 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,880 a big deal, and I just feel like we haven't had another game even 837 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:37,239 halfway as intriguing as that has been for just the space of VR. And 838 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,039 that wasn't on I don't think that was on Sony's headset. I think it 839 00:46:39,039 --> 00:46:43,880 was exclusive to whatever whatever Steam one you would use their ocula something like that. 840 00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:46,320 But still I just feel like, yeah, VR has not really thrived 841 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,320 yet. They still released that new headset last year, so obviously they're they're 842 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,840 putting their investing in that space. Uh. The other game we saw was 843 00:46:53,039 --> 00:46:58,239 Legendary Tales, which bad name because I had it in my notes here and 844 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,639 it took me fifteen seconds to remember what the hell was that Legendary Tales. 845 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,519 Legend Tales. But this is the kind of game, honestly that if I 846 00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:07,280 were to get VR, this would be like the day, This would be 847 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:12,320 like the first game at playoffs. It's just a cheesy looking fantasy game where 848 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,840 you go around just smashing skeletons and then topple over the place and you got 849 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,480 your skilterure there, you get different spells, and you just have all these 850 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,599 fun fantasy tools and it doesn't seem like there's much to the story or level 851 00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:27,440 design. It's just you just get to do funny stuff and smash skeletons and 852 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,320 other fantasy creatures. So it seems like a lot of fun. At one 853 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,119 point, he like did like the Captain America like shield throw or bounced off 854 00:47:34,159 --> 00:47:37,000 a bunch of enemies, and like that would be so much fun in VR. 855 00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:38,639 I've never played VR, so I have to imagine I imagine that it'd 856 00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:43,079 be super fun in VR. So that's coming out February eighth, looks really 857 00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:46,039 solid. Yeah, I think for that audience, like they'll enjoy that. 858 00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:50,559 But once again, not a system seller, so maybe a weird one. 859 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,239 And I don't know if they mean maybe they needed like a couple more just 860 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,679 like quick hits, quick little like sizzle, real stuff to show off the 861 00:47:55,679 --> 00:47:59,920 platform. But maybe it's just that's the only two games you have to show 862 00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:01,559 a year in I don't think we've got many other announcements over the year, 863 00:48:01,679 --> 00:48:07,800 so it's a little little small. Yeah, I just don't know what you 864 00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:09,639 it's. I would not know if the if they are come to me and 865 00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:12,639 say, hey, we won't even the PlayStation president, what do you do 866 00:48:12,679 --> 00:48:15,159 with this thing? It's like, well, like I oftuly I wouldn't invest 867 00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:17,599 it, but you've already invested money in it, so you should definitely try 868 00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:21,960 to like give it some more life. But then I don't know, I 869 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,159 think you're right, whereat made some quick hits, something bigger Maybe Metro could 870 00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:28,079 be that, But I don't know. It's it's it's weird to lem to 871 00:48:28,119 --> 00:48:30,400 have. It's it's just a weird spart because that I even think back to 872 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:35,719 like the Vita, and I feel like why they kind of sunset those handheld 873 00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,719 consoles is because they just ultimately it wasn't worth having like Naughty Dog or someone 874 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,000 make this Vita game. Yeah, it makes more sense keep them on the 875 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,000 PlayStation stuff. And that's where the portal makes sense for people who are into 876 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,440 that, because now you have that handheld version. Of course it's not the 877 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,159 same as a Vita, but now you can just play the same games that 878 00:48:50,199 --> 00:48:52,920 you're playing on your PlayStation. So it seems like we're getting a bit of 879 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,960 the same situation here where there's isn't that so many push from like from those 880 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,800 studios itself, And I think they've acquired a couple of studios that mostly make 881 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,239 VR things, and so maybe we just have to wait and see what those 882 00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:06,199 games do. Obviously, we did get Horizon last year, but that didn't 883 00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:08,360 seem to blow the roof off. It's a decent launch title, I suppose, 884 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,719 but yeah, it's still very curious to see what they do because it's 885 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,119 still very early on in that consoles life cycle about it. So I think 886 00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:21,199 that they're gonna have a few more big heavy hitters next up Dragon's Dogma two 887 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:22,719 is kind of a reminder it's coming out March twenty second. I don't think 888 00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,639 there's much we need to talk about here. I feel like we talked about 889 00:49:24,639 --> 00:49:27,760 this game, or at least on sidequest, I've talked about a lot because 890 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,960 I was playing the first game recently and I was talking to Kirkling about it, 891 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,920 so I think it continued looks amazing for me. I just have to 892 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:37,119 definitely wait and see what kind of changes they're making from the first game, 893 00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:40,400 because I've not necessarily loving that first one a whole lot, but this one 894 00:49:40,519 --> 00:49:45,559 just visually looks really, really fun, so I do want to play. 895 00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:49,760 It's just ninety dollars is hard to justify these days. So yeah, probably 896 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:54,599 not a day one for me unless all the reviews are amazing and the issues 897 00:49:54,599 --> 00:49:57,800 that I have for the first game have been remedied in this one, which 898 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,119 I don't know. It might just be more of the same, maybe that 899 00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:04,199 audience once. I don't know. Yeah, I got nothing. I haven't 900 00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,440 totally experienced the first one. I don't know enough of it, but I 901 00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:10,599 I can't remember who has it. I hope it reviews terribly. That's my 902 00:50:10,679 --> 00:50:13,519 only thing I have it because I don't think I have it, so that's 903 00:50:13,559 --> 00:50:15,440 all, Yeah, who has it? I think it's Taylor. I feel 904 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,920 like, yeah, Taylor, he needs to lose. So same day, 905 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,199 March twenty second is Rise of Ronin So yeah this, uh, I mean 906 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,920 you are huge Ghosts of Ashima fans. I feel like, now we know 907 00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:30,079 how this game is different. How are you feeling about this as a big 908 00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:35,599 ghost fan? Not? For me, this one is not. I think 909 00:50:35,639 --> 00:50:38,840 it's tough because we haven't heard much, but we just I'm just waiting for 910 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,559 them to reveal Ghosts because I just always feel like it's right around the corner, 911 00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:45,199 but we've still not gotten anything about it. I don't mean right around 912 00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:46,679 the corners for his release, but just like that cycle to start, like 913 00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:50,960 like any state of play, any big award show. I'm waiting for, 914 00:50:51,159 --> 00:50:53,599 like that teaser and like, oh Gin's back whenever. And I think it's 915 00:50:53,679 --> 00:50:58,599 also tough because if it was like, hey, Ghosts of Shima two had 916 00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:01,079 some bumps through, it's gonna be like another five years. This fall, 917 00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:05,920 we got the Assassin's Screed game coming out. That's like a Japan Ninja Samurai 918 00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:08,960 Ronan sort of deal, right, so there's just something where we had talked 919 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,039 about this before, we're okay, when it needs to come out, it 920 00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:14,880 needs to hit, and it does look different, but I guess it looks 921 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,079 different in the sense of it almost reminds me of Ghost of Tsushima. When 922 00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:21,400 you and I had seen it, we thought all looked beautiful, but the 923 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,440 first reveal, I don't think you and I were completely sold on it, 924 00:51:23,519 --> 00:51:27,599 right, and then we had no idea what the actual game struggle was. 925 00:51:27,639 --> 00:51:30,239 We just thought it esthetically, it looks good. So that's why I was 926 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,920 waiting for this, and I was waiting to see, Okay, what's it 927 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,760 gonna do? And I think it went the other way, not in the 928 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,840 sense of like it looked like a bad game, because I get why it's 929 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:43,400 different. There's you know, those type of some weird like it's definitely way 930 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,559 more supernatural, i'd say than Ghost of Shima. Goes Stu Shima has hints 931 00:51:45,559 --> 00:51:49,639 of it, but they have like these bigger bosses that are not like a 932 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,960 you know, Soul's type, but like I feel like that's like, no, 933 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,760 it reminds me of it feels like Star Wars, Jedi, Fallen Order, 934 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,599 whatever the hell their names are where it's like a Souls for dummies and 935 00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:01,039 that sort of sense of like, oh, this is like an easier version 936 00:52:01,079 --> 00:52:04,639 of that. So yeah, it's just kind of like, if I want 937 00:52:04,639 --> 00:52:07,159 to do that, I'll wait for EL and Ring DLC or for that. 938 00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:08,480 And it's not exactly like that, So you haven't seen that. Don't think 939 00:52:08,519 --> 00:52:12,039 I'm over hyping it that way. I think it's more like the Star Wars 940 00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:15,960 route, And yeah, I guess it just didn't hook me, and it, 941 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,480 I will be honest, and maybe it's a bias. I would have 942 00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:21,920 needed a lot to hook me, because even Assassin's Screen, We've said this 943 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,000 too many times where it's like we were all itching for that, but when 944 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,519 Ghosts came out, it's like, well that kind of scratched that itch, 945 00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:28,880 and we know that there's gonna be a ghost to at some point. So 946 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,239 I just kind of have like, unless I hear great things from you or 947 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,639 someone else that plays it, that slot's kind of already taken in my life 948 00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,239 right now, and I'll wait unless something look great because I played multiple of 949 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,320 different types of games, right and just for me, it's not that didn't 950 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,360 look great, just didn't look like the type of game that I would be 951 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,559 enjoying the sense of the same thing, like you said, dropping ninety dollars 952 00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:51,000 or something like that, that's not the case. Maybe down the road, 953 00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,840 sure, but yeah, it's And I was kind of hoping for it because 954 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:58,639 there's not too much I got on the PlayStation right now, but it just 955 00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,159 wasn't didn't didn't enthrall me, like I was kind of hoping. Mm hmm, 956 00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:07,519 yeah, yeah. I think my big question here was how are they 957 00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:12,119 going to differentiate this game from ghost and even Seco specifically. And I'm glad 958 00:53:12,159 --> 00:53:14,559 you brought up Sastry Read because I kind of forgot about that, But like 959 00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:17,039 that could come out later this year, so maybe it's good. That's right. 960 00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:22,320 Maybe that's good that this game kind of is squeezing out before that releases. 961 00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:25,199 But I do think they answered my question, and I don't think it's 962 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,480 there's there's just a bunch of little things that seemed different, But overall this 963 00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:34,280 does seem like a kind of Ubi soft open world sort of game, which 964 00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,079 Ghosts Shreama was, but I feel like Ghosts took a much more artistic approach. 965 00:53:37,199 --> 00:53:40,039 And maybe I'm just like a fanboy the game or something defending it. 966 00:53:40,039 --> 00:53:43,639 It feels it got more open at the end, but it felt like it 967 00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:46,239 feels like it's like an open world linear game, which feels odd, but 968 00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:51,960 it does feel like that a bit more sense where ire with the But there 969 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:53,519 were certain things like you know, you kind of start at the start of 970 00:53:53,519 --> 00:53:58,079 this trailer, we're in like this huge city and there's all sorts of stuff 971 00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:00,320 to go see. The technology seemed to be a lot more advanced than we 972 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,960 are in Ghosts Era, which I think is good for the game. But 973 00:54:04,119 --> 00:54:07,039 just like cruising around the city, which honestly it looked a lot like Spider 974 00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:09,079 Man where you have this grapp swinging up to a roof and then you have 975 00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:12,679 like a glider, which you know they added Spider Man two, and so 976 00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,800 you're just kind of gliding around this city like you can't really do that in 977 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,280 Ghosts Like that does seem fun. The movement seems great. That's a nice 978 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,519 addition there. There's there's handguns in here, which I know when we're talking 979 00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:24,519 about a Vowed you were like not a fan of the guns in that, 980 00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:28,599 so I feel like you're gonna have the same feeling with the guns here. 981 00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,920 It would be my no I want to play like I want bow and arrows 982 00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,559 or darts. More about the bow and arrow, but my gun fill, 983 00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,920 you know, it at least is a way it differentiates it. And then 984 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:42,559 one thing I was curious about is at one point the character's running player character, 985 00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,480 and then there's like you have like this whole squad of other samurai dudes 986 00:54:45,519 --> 00:54:46,920 running with you, and so it seems like maybe there's a bit more of 987 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:51,079 like a party element to it, or you can go do raids and bringing 988 00:54:51,159 --> 00:54:54,159 all not coal, but yeah, bringing all, Yeah, I guess, 989 00:54:54,159 --> 00:54:58,360 so bring in all these other people to come battle with you. But you're 990 00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,960 all just running around like it looks fun and maybe a bit more goofy, 991 00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:07,719 a bit more lighthearted perhaps than Ghosts Eving Ghost is a pretty intense story as 992 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:12,360 well, Right, so this looks more fantastical and sense of like it's a 993 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,840 I won't say like a Disney Sect is obviously much more like a hardcore combat 994 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,559 game, whereas this game seems to have like a little bit of everything in 995 00:55:17,559 --> 00:55:21,800 that way. So I think this is definitely gonna find its audience. And 996 00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,719 yeah, I I I want to I think I want to play it someday. 997 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:29,119 But I'm still yeah, definitely, I'm same as you, or I 998 00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:31,360 don't. This is not necessarily my favorite setting, and I thought that that 999 00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,360 fixed with Ghosts that was gonna last me for years at this point. And 1000 00:55:35,559 --> 00:55:37,760 yes, ghost To within a year two probably right, So I don't know 1001 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:43,559 if I necessarily want this right away? Do you think do you think like 1002 00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,239 release within a year or revealed within a year? The game came out twenty 1003 00:55:49,519 --> 00:55:53,440 twenty right, summer twenty right, yeah, and then Legends a few months 1004 00:55:53,519 --> 00:55:59,880 later, So yeah, like twenty twenty five seems totally viable for me if 1005 00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:04,719 it is like a pretty straight ahead sequel. Oh man, I was really 1006 00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,880 hoping this year because next year is just getting really really stuffed. Like that 1007 00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:12,440 would be crazy, this game they had a thousand streed end Ghosts two in 1008 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,800 the same calendar year. Would actually that'd be pretty wild, that'd be uh 1009 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:21,559 yeah, that'd be over. That's interesting because I'm still now that we get 1010 00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:23,480 these games, like Destrandon was a big question for me. Now it's not 1011 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,639 coming out this year, so I'm like my eventual date of buying the PS 1012 00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,800 five keeps going back and back, and there's not that one thing that I 1013 00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,760 need, But Ghost two would be that thing I think. I mean, 1014 00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,000 I said that about Spider Man two and I changed my mind. So we'll 1015 00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:38,480 just see what happens. Yeah, that could do it. Yeah, that's 1016 00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:43,159 just yeah, I hope there's some I don't think it would be this year. 1017 00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:45,079 I was hoping this because I think this would have been the start unless 1018 00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:49,440 they really really want to rush the release. But already, just for me, 1019 00:56:49,519 --> 00:56:52,360 the Bengal Card of Stranding, Grand Theft, Auto and Ghosts, that's 1020 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:58,360 like, that's not great run, that's not that's to me because that's a 1021 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,039 that's a big time sunk, especially with like online. They could have that 1022 00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:04,840 ready to go right away, right, And I've said before like I'd love 1023 00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,239 when online's here for us to really like I want I want us to have 1024 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,440 a gang of people. I want to keep frisking onto some heyps cause I 1025 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:15,239 feel like we like when we when we all met, that was like not 1026 00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,440 like it felt like it was all it was around but too late. Yeah, 1027 00:57:17,719 --> 00:57:21,679 right, even though that game is still huge, but the hype kind 1028 00:57:21,679 --> 00:57:23,760 of died. So I want like a GV high like so I just feel 1029 00:57:23,719 --> 00:57:27,199 like that's a game that I know I'm in a single lot of hours into 1030 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,679 so I just feel like we'll talk about desk Stranny. I think the dates 1031 00:57:30,679 --> 00:57:32,480 of these games are all very key because I think also a lot of these 1032 00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,360 games are gonna want to stay out of the way of Grand Theft Atto, 1033 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,760 because I think if you drop ghosts anywhere near Grand Theft Autto, I think 1034 00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:43,480 that actually hurts its sales, and maybe they actually bump into like early twenty 1035 00:57:43,559 --> 00:57:45,239 twenty six or something. I don't know, you know, right right, 1036 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:51,039 possible until Delane's getting a PS five version. You're a fan of this game, 1037 00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:53,960 any interest in going back to it with this new version of all the 1038 00:57:53,960 --> 00:58:00,280 bells and whistles, No, because I'm much like there's a great I'm not 1039 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,480 sure if you've seen the meme, but they like had the side by sides 1040 00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:06,400 of the Killer and it's like it's updated and the graphics are updated. But 1041 00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,880 with this one, they like gave the Killer like eyeballs instead of like a 1042 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:13,000 blank slate, so it's like they're doing like little changes. I'll have to 1043 00:58:13,039 --> 00:58:15,760 find it for you. Okay. I still have not played the original one, 1044 00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:21,079 so it's hard for me to Okay, Oh yeah, it's just like 1045 00:58:21,199 --> 00:58:23,320 it's just like a scary mask Luckily, so it's not I'm not spoiling anything. 1046 00:58:23,519 --> 00:58:27,280 If you haven't played, I think you definitely should go back, especially 1047 00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,679 I'm not sure what they're gonna charge. I guess it's any of these games 1048 00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:36,639 really, from my god, what it I forget Super super Massive? No? 1049 00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:37,960 Yeah, no, I think it is. Yeah, No, I'm 1050 00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:42,920 so I won't be getting this because it's it's weird with those type of games 1051 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,559 I kind of have like a one play and done, Like there's I don't 1052 00:58:46,599 --> 00:58:50,760 know what the baroma is for games like Nights or Republic that I will play 1053 00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:52,239 over and over and do all these different endings to some games where it's like 1054 00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,159 I played the one journey and I want that to be my only journey, 1055 00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,440 and this is one of those games. So no, for me, it's 1056 00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,800 more like, man, that's even with bald is gay right now? I'm 1057 00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,840 like, yeah, I think I'm just maybe just gonna do one long play 1058 00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:07,280 through rather than doing a bunch of mini ones is Yeah. So yeah, 1059 00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,000 it's it's weird what games I choose to do that for another is why I 1060 00:59:09,079 --> 00:59:13,400 don't. Yeah, So for me, I don't have a reason to go 1061 00:59:13,519 --> 00:59:15,000 back to that yet. I on my list, have the Quarry, which 1062 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,960 I want to hit up. I know Taylor's a big fan, and I 1063 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,599 know you talk about there's some aspects you could play with your sniffing other because 1064 00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:23,199 I think now it's probably cheaper, so I want to. So this, 1065 00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:28,280 to me is just what many have speculated. This was because there's a movie 1066 00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,400 coming out, have that game ready. It's the same reason as Last of 1067 00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,239 Us, which is a smart move, Like that's the reason I think they're 1068 00:59:34,239 --> 00:59:37,679 remaking these games and see these like ast of Us too, because season two 1069 00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,159 is coming out next year, Like that is smart for if anybody watches the 1070 00:59:40,199 --> 00:59:44,679 movie and for some reasons like a mini type of gamer or anything, be 1071 00:59:44,719 --> 00:59:47,159 like, oh, we could play the game online, Like I think that's 1072 00:59:47,199 --> 00:59:51,039 where they're releasing it, so maybe you missed it. But I just don't 1073 00:59:51,039 --> 00:59:52,880 feel like it's like one of the bigger titles where it's like, oh if 1074 00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:57,920 you missed until Donald. It's like I feel like that could still be just 1075 00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,320 on the PlayStation plus like rental Serve and be fine. Like it did not 1076 01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:04,559 feel like Last of Us were like you need a big redo of it, 1077 01:00:04,639 --> 01:00:07,320 So yeah, fair enough, Yeah, I mean, I I don't think 1078 01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,480 I have a problem going back to that OG one. I don't know if 1079 01:00:09,519 --> 01:00:13,679 I need this remake. Yeah, depending on what the price is. I 1080 01:00:13,679 --> 01:00:15,599 mean, I might even just go to that original one. But obviously I've 1081 01:00:15,639 --> 01:00:19,599 still haven't got to it after all these years, so I'm not not fiend 1082 01:00:19,639 --> 01:00:23,039 in for it. Next up, I guess the last thing here was Death 1083 01:00:23,079 --> 01:00:27,599 Stranding two, So I'm gonna have the trailer up here and you can tell 1084 01:00:27,639 --> 01:00:30,280 me to pause if you want, and I won't necessarily go frame by frame, 1085 01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,960 but it's a good one to have some visual accompaniment for if you're on 1086 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,039 the YouTube version here, So deak Rand two on the beach. Anyone can 1087 01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:39,960 go back and listen to a review. We both loved this game, this 1088 01:00:40,039 --> 01:00:44,320 first game so so much, had a great time with it. What did 1089 01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,840 you think of this this new showing for it here? I thought it was 1090 01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:52,159 really good. There's a lot going on. It's like what you and I 1091 01:00:52,239 --> 01:00:54,719 talked about where it's even if someone that loved and played the game, I 1092 01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:59,920 definitely need a refresher of all the story points because it's not like, oh 1093 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,639 it's been song. They throw a lot at you. There's tons of characters. 1094 01:01:01,679 --> 01:01:06,280 There's tons of character developments. Yeah, there's lots of flashbacks, there's 1095 01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,400 lots of lore, so there's stuff where it's like, man, there is 1096 01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:12,400 a lot to refresh here. So I think it was a good showing. 1097 01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:16,760 I think this does the great thing of just they're just like showing off Fujima's 1098 01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:20,960 brain. You know, he's when we talk about before. I always say 1099 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,199 he's like the Nol and the Ariost, like Robert Eggers, where it's like 1100 01:01:23,239 --> 01:01:27,400 you know you're gonna get something, and even then it's like, Okay, 1101 01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,440 I'm gonna get death stranding too, and it's gonna be more about Sam's story. 1102 01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:31,880 But little stuff like you have the clip up right now, just even 1103 01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:36,199 this like thing or lad to do his mouth of like this idea of like 1104 01:01:36,239 --> 01:01:42,559 these had. Yeah, so I'm you want to take over for a second. 1105 01:01:42,599 --> 01:01:46,679 I'm enjoying what I'm seeing so far sounds good. We have some disturbances 1106 01:01:46,719 --> 01:01:50,280 in the forest here, but you know, I'm in the same boat because 1107 01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,719 I feel like what we've got so far has been pretty sparse here there, 1108 01:01:53,719 --> 01:01:58,199 and this was really our first It felt like more of a deep dive. 1109 01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:00,920 And I still have so many questions, as I do anytime, and you 1110 01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:05,079 know, inherently a death strand like, I don't think we're ever gonna be 1111 01:02:05,159 --> 01:02:07,079 on that hype level that we were for that first game, just because of 1112 01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:12,280 how weird those trailers were and we didn't know anything of what was going on. 1113 01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,280 But now that this is an established world, an established gameplay, it's 1114 01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,519 not gonna be quite as exciting. But I still had a really good time 1115 01:02:17,559 --> 01:02:22,039 going through this and just thinking about trying to theorize on what some of these 1116 01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:24,280 scenes could mean, Like why even Sam is gray or blue in this? 1117 01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:29,639 Yeah, and is like just over his mouth? Yeah, Like I don't 1118 01:02:29,639 --> 01:02:32,320 know what's going on here. It's very very bizarre, but you know, 1119 01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:36,480 in a good way. And Destrenning is one of those things where after playing 1120 01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,039 it all this stuff, it's like you never know what's real, what's a 1121 01:02:38,119 --> 01:02:40,719 vision, what's a combo of them? Right? So the same thing here 1122 01:02:40,719 --> 01:02:44,360 when you're talking about like this great, it's like, like, what is 1123 01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,599 going on? Is this some sequence where they're not in the same place but 1124 01:02:46,639 --> 01:02:51,920 they're telepathically lenked, like you never know? And it is interesting because I 1125 01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:53,280 feel like, maybe I won't want to speak for you, I feel like 1126 01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:59,559 you agree, but I think the most common conception was this was good as 1127 01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:01,000 being like a one and done like that. DLC was good, like, 1128 01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:04,960 oh we had some more that was just like some more action stuff. So 1129 01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,639 it's like, okay, cool scratch if it was a one and done for 1130 01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:10,039 sure, right. So that's where it's just like it's not that it needs 1131 01:03:10,039 --> 01:03:14,719 to go and like, uh, give us a reason to exist, but 1132 01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:19,119 it is like okay for me what I consider like a perfect story, Like 1133 01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:22,480 obviously there's a lot of wild stuff, but just felt like the door could 1134 01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:24,639 be closed. Where do you go from there? And I think there's good 1135 01:03:24,679 --> 01:03:28,320 and bad things. I know people are loving this puppet character, so I 1136 01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,519 like that. But I love that he has like a lower frame rate than 1137 01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:35,800 the rest of the game. It looks so cool. I think that's very 1138 01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,719 cool. I do worry from like A because I think gameplay wise, I 1139 01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,280 guess I'm we're I don't know. I'm trying to come in this with an 1140 01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:47,320 open mind because I I'm coming in with this that I don't think I will 1141 01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:51,400 love this as much as the first one, because I feel like there's multiple 1142 01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,480 instances where they're trying to hint that it is going to be more action like 1143 01:03:55,119 --> 01:04:00,280 and between the DLC between just certain things they show in here. That's one 1144 01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,000 thing, and I do love when Kajima gets weird, but that is one 1145 01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:06,199 thing that happens in Middle Gear where there'll be times where, just like when 1146 01:04:06,239 --> 01:04:10,119 you're playing one to if you ever get to five, there's just some jumps. 1147 01:04:10,159 --> 01:04:12,239 We're like, man, this is wild. And that's where I like 1148 01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,800 def Stranding because it's like, oh, we can do this. But I 1149 01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,920 think for me, the tone of that felt like a very horror, sci 1150 01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:24,000 fi alien type of out there where we'll get to it coming up. But 1151 01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,559 I really did not like the sequence of Troy Baker with the guitar, and 1152 01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:30,280 the Internet loved that. They're just like, oh that's kang Man. He's 1153 01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,360 great, and I do love that, but I almost would like that in 1154 01:04:32,519 --> 01:04:36,440 like a different world or something where I feel like the deaf Stranding that I 1155 01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:41,280 had in my mind in the world and the vibe of that first game, 1156 01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,599 I don't see anywhere where a guitar that shoes lightning would a fit and that 1157 01:04:44,679 --> 01:04:47,519 would have made sense right now. This could be many sequels, TV shows, 1158 01:04:47,559 --> 01:04:49,800 games do that where it's like, hey, the sequel, we're gonna 1159 01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:53,320 got a different route. With the tone, and I'm not saying it's like 1160 01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:57,920 slapsticky, really joky, but I just feel that there's some stuff where I 1161 01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,840 want to, oh, is he gonna go like two kuji or just like 1162 01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:02,960 some of that stuff that might invade this one that I think is not right 1163 01:05:03,079 --> 01:05:08,320 for this world. I'm loving you gotta paus here the landscapes a different ride, 1164 01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,760 because we had talked about that too, like what are you gonna do? 1165 01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,880 And sometimes you don't think about the obvious. I love that they're just 1166 01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:15,360 like, well, we're shipping you off to another part of the world. 1167 01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,480 I was like, well, Dow, why didn't even think about that because 1168 01:05:17,519 --> 01:05:19,039 I was like, oh, where are you gonna go? But like you 1169 01:05:19,039 --> 01:05:21,039 see a bunch of snow here, you see desert, So it's like, 1170 01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:25,760 right, he's just gonna go. He's gonna be dropped somewhere in a whole 1171 01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:30,519 different like country continent. That works. So yeah, I think I'll still 1172 01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:34,480 enjoy it. But I do have some a few concerns of what's going on, 1173 01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:39,039 But I trust in Kajima and I think I'll still at least base like 1174 01:05:39,079 --> 01:05:41,519 it. There might be might be some things that I go, ah, 1175 01:05:41,559 --> 01:05:43,239 I don't know if that worked for me, but I want to see the 1176 01:05:43,239 --> 01:05:45,800 full context and maybe this is just the world evolving, right, So yeah, 1177 01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:50,159 no, I mean honestly, just huge exciting part for me with this 1178 01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:55,280 is you know, it's very divisive. Do you like the gameplay of death 1179 01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,559 straining That was a big question at the time. Oh yeah, it's very 1180 01:05:59,159 --> 01:06:01,960 minimalist. It's really just your your delivery guy. That there is combat if 1181 01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:05,440 you want to engage with that. But it was so intimidating and scary to 1182 01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:09,760 me that, like I almost never did it in my sixty hours of that 1183 01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:14,679 game. But I love that gameplay. I love micromanaging all the backpack space 1184 01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:18,639 and clipping things on my on my legs and worrying about all these different environments 1185 01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:20,920 in terms of how he's gonna react or throw my balance off. Like, 1186 01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:25,519 I found that gameplay so engaging. So when I see shots like this and 1187 01:06:25,559 --> 01:06:27,480 I see that we're gonna be in a desert, and I'm like thinking about 1188 01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,000 all the ways that's gonna change the physics of this game. At some point 1189 01:06:30,039 --> 01:06:34,639 we see a river, I'm gonna keep that. Oh my god, that 1190 01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:38,840 is good. That just looks like that, Ben Affleck mean where it's like 1191 01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,239 the sound of silence. When they showed that river, I was like, 1192 01:06:41,639 --> 01:06:45,840 I'm gonna lose so much stuff in there. Yeah, because right, yeah, 1193 01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,320 it was like barely down chasing you like I like water physics and games 1194 01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:54,760 is something that feels like it jumps so minimally between console generations. But this, 1195 01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:59,440 for the first time looks like some damp like avalanches with huge rocks pilot 1196 01:06:59,519 --> 01:07:01,440 down like that going to be. I hope that's more than just a story 1197 01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,480 beat, and this isn't some specific cut scene. I would love if that 1198 01:07:04,559 --> 01:07:08,800 was just something you had to worry about, like avalanches and whatnot. Right, 1199 01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:10,920 that'd be great if they set up an area like let's say they do 1200 01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,119 this as the cut scene, but if there is an area where it's like, 1201 01:07:13,239 --> 01:07:15,719 oh, you could take this path and it'll be faster, but there 1202 01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,880 is a chance if you go the wrong way it causes an avalanche or something 1203 01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,719 like that. So that's the thing where for me, I agree with you. 1204 01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:26,599 That's where that's what I want. I want the same simulation. Like 1205 01:07:26,599 --> 01:07:28,280 you said, there's lots of other thing like that, and that's fine. 1206 01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,719 At least I feel like people know what they're in for. But that's what 1207 01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:32,920 I don't want. Where I did see that, and like I said in 1208 01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,239 the DLC, I don't want to get too action y. I don't want 1209 01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:39,519 to get too much because even then, like the character of Baker says, 1210 01:07:39,559 --> 01:07:41,280 I'm like, oh, you trade that up for a gun, It's like, 1211 01:07:42,079 --> 01:07:44,800 I hope there's not too much of that where it's like this whole sequence 1212 01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,079 is just you kicking ass. I'm find a couple of those, but I 1213 01:07:46,079 --> 01:07:49,280 mean, like if it's if it's more of I feel like in the first 1214 01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:55,079 game that was almost like a eighty five fifteen where there's like fifteen percent action, 1215 01:07:55,159 --> 01:07:58,440 and that to me was like great. I I think I'm fine if 1216 01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:00,840 it gets to like twenty the most, but I don't want them to go 1217 01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,639 too hard to be like, well, people didn't love that aspect, so 1218 01:08:03,719 --> 01:08:08,039 let's add a bit more of that metal gear esque like of the newer games 1219 01:08:08,039 --> 01:08:10,639 where it's like you're snaking go around. It's like, no, I don't 1220 01:08:10,639 --> 01:08:14,079 want that. I want what you said is similar game play, but different 1221 01:08:14,239 --> 01:08:15,960 areas. Deserts, the water, Like how much stuff do we lose in 1222 01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,479 just regular water in that game? Now imagine a little tidal waves or stuff 1223 01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,920 like you know, like you said, the desert, like that'd be great. 1224 01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,600 I like, okay, I could take this path and be faster, 1225 01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,920 but if I do it, I could lose everything the desert like you said, 1226 01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,720 just even though it's like a mini like quicksand who knows. But uh 1227 01:08:31,159 --> 01:08:34,640 again, though, that's something where I know we're in for something special. 1228 01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:39,560 It's while he's compared to Nolan because you pause on a perfect spot like this. 1229 01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:43,119 This just looks incredible. It's a shot of Sam. There's a gigantic 1230 01:08:43,239 --> 01:08:46,039 moon. Yeah, like it, Kagema, You're always gonna get something very 1231 01:08:46,079 --> 01:08:48,600 memorable. And I have no doubts here that maybe if I don't even love 1232 01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,840 his first game, there's gonna be some great great stuff in here. So 1233 01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:55,680 I did go from being like do we need this to the trail and be 1234 01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,960 like, okay, you've sold me on this need to exist. I'm very 1235 01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,199 excited to see where we go because just the locations and set pieces are looking 1236 01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:05,680 really great right now, really really intriguing. Yeah, like what is going 1237 01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:11,159 on in this shot because I've never seen the moon that big in my time 1238 01:09:11,199 --> 01:09:13,560 on this on this Earth. But it also looks like you're on the surface 1239 01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,439 of the moon based on like the rocks that we're seeing around here, So 1240 01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,479 I don't know what's going on, but I'm like, that's like that's a 1241 01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,640 huge question. What's that thing in the sky there? Yeah, that's like 1242 01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:26,239 what is that? I'm guessing we're gonna see flying creatures? Like do you 1243 01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:29,079 think there's a chance that we even because they're talking about like is that ending? 1244 01:09:29,159 --> 01:09:31,800 Is there a chance we go into space if we leave Earth? Like 1245 01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:35,439 I think there's a high chance that happens in this game. It's like this 1246 01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:40,399 shot makes me think that. But this also could be like some weird trippy 1247 01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,880 realm sequence, right, And that's like a classic thing to put in a 1248 01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,199 trailer. We see the strands out there too, in the in the distance, 1249 01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:49,439 and yeah, this hand enemy which is just you know, ripped out 1250 01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:53,760 of Elden Ring there, which you know, like to your point, like 1251 01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:57,359 that does seem like something that I would not associate with that stranding in terms 1252 01:09:57,399 --> 01:10:00,880 of the kind of combat that we're dealing with here. So is that us 1253 01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:04,319 going more towards that action you comment? Of course there is big action set 1254 01:10:04,319 --> 01:10:08,319 because its against huge bosses in my first game, So maybe that's just like 1255 01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:10,920 Troy Baker for example. Right, that's one where and that's where I'm fine. 1256 01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,479 We're in the middle portion. He's a very action y like you're jumping 1257 01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,359 from place to place. You got George Miller, a mad Max director, 1258 01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:19,439 so that's great because he's been spawn spanning and that he's been working with them. 1259 01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:23,239 But yeah, like you, and that's what I'm fine with. I'm 1260 01:10:23,239 --> 01:10:26,319 fine. I'm not saying I want no action whatsoever. It's just I don't 1261 01:10:26,319 --> 01:10:30,439 want to lose that spirit and truck. Yeah, and that's why I do. 1262 01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:31,680 Like they are showing a lot of locations, so I think it's still 1263 01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:34,439 at the base. They're gonna go with what you love of the game, 1264 01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:38,600 because I don't think that's what they should go with. Kajima has O D. 1265 01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:40,640 He has a third game. I feel like, if you want that 1266 01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:44,960 Kajima espinage thing, which we'll get to, he's gonna scratch that inch for 1267 01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:46,039 you. You know, like I don't need that here. This is something 1268 01:10:46,039 --> 01:10:49,479 else. So but uh, and even these landscapes of where all these like 1269 01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:54,880 I can't remember what they're called, these dead things in the Yeah, I 1270 01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:56,600 know, I gotta, like I said to you, I gotta do a 1271 01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:59,560 whole like catch up watch video because I'm not gonna play that game again because 1272 01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,239 it's a long, long game and stuff, and I want to wait for, 1273 01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:04,640 uh, the scratch match with this. But yeah, there's a location 1274 01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:08,399 earlier too where they were all hanging from the sky and it was like very 1275 01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:11,600 red, very like the Batman asthetic. It's like, oh, I'm digging 1276 01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,520 this so and you got this Troy Bak character. It was pretty much just 1277 01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,239 a joker ripped off, you know. So he definitely feels it. But 1278 01:11:16,279 --> 01:11:20,960 I also he has major ziggy stardust energy, especially with absolutely which I like 1279 01:11:21,039 --> 01:11:24,039 that part of it. I see where you're coming from. I don't. 1280 01:11:24,359 --> 01:11:26,479 I don't love this scene, but I don't hate it yet either, so 1281 01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,399 I think I just have to wait and see how it comes across in the 1282 01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,680 game. But yeah, Troy Baker definitely chewing the scenery. And it's it's 1283 01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,680 fun to see his character of Higgs come back because he was a highlight for 1284 01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:38,319 me for sure in that first game. I mean, I liked pretty much 1285 01:11:38,359 --> 01:11:40,800 every character in that first game, so it's hard ye wrong, and that 1286 01:11:41,079 --> 01:11:44,159 was great. We were talking about after in the discord he drops a line 1287 01:11:44,199 --> 01:11:46,720 and that's where even story aspects like you made have mentioned and I think it's 1288 01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:50,600 good that they're dropping things. And he says about all you killed lou and 1289 01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,359 as we were talking about that was the name of his unborn child, and 1290 01:11:54,399 --> 01:11:57,439 his child now I think the end this trailer showing a fuller rome babies and 1291 01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:00,079 sitting away and that baby is alive. But that's what I say, and 1292 01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:02,520 a Dylan prately that that's another story beat. If they for some reason we 1293 01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,760 pick up and his shot has been killed because they didn't want to bring a 1294 01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:09,600 full child on a mission, that will be another ding for me, because 1295 01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,000 like I didn't want to play this game that was forty rs plus, we 1296 01:12:12,039 --> 01:12:14,920 went on this huge journey like that, like it won't spoil, but like 1297 01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:17,279 the moment with the baby, like where the resolution is, it feels so 1298 01:12:17,359 --> 01:12:20,479 well earned, and it just feels like, man, this is beautiful storytelling. 1299 01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:24,439 If they do those tropes, which we see that all the times in 1300 01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:28,399 games, TV show sequels, where it's a port love interest, someone important 1301 01:12:28,399 --> 01:12:30,359 and they died off screen and it's our character recovering from that, I really 1302 01:12:30,359 --> 01:12:33,720 hope it's not that. But then the implications of what he had something to 1303 01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,600 do with the death of his unborn child from like before the first game, 1304 01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:41,560 Like, now, that's a whole back Like that's a huge backstory of like 1305 01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:45,239 where does that even begin? So that's where it wasn't interesting line to specifically 1306 01:12:45,319 --> 01:12:47,680 drop. And yeah, that stuff for me, I get why pure loving 1307 01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,560 it though, I get why people are enjoying you know what's funny. I 1308 01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:55,920 just the timing of this is is is interesting. I'm just a boss, 1309 01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:59,680 but I just didn't meddlegear solid too is like this huge rail gun electric gun. 1310 01:13:00,319 --> 01:13:01,560 I mean it's not a guitar, but it's like, yeah, you 1311 01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:06,079 can definitely see that he dips back into his back catalog of ideas, revisiting 1312 01:13:06,119 --> 01:13:11,239 some certain things. Yeah, and there's always like a through line there too, 1313 01:13:11,319 --> 01:13:14,640 Right, I feel like it's very nol and Tarantino, where it's like 1314 01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:16,960 you always see something of themselves in the work. So I think, I'm 1315 01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,279 like you that you made a good point that I'll have to see it in 1316 01:13:19,399 --> 01:13:25,600 the story and maybe it makes a lot more context. But m hmm, 1317 01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,760 yeah, that could be a character I'm happy to get killed off. But 1318 01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:31,600 Troy Baker, so he'll be around a lot. So and he got killed 1319 01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:34,159 the first game, right, my spoils he's back. So yeah, and 1320 01:13:34,239 --> 01:13:38,000 like you have like the fighting game sequence against him, like remember that, 1321 01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:41,760 yeah, kind of like a two D fighter. Yeah. Yeah, so 1322 01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:43,760 this is we see a little bit of the baby here and he adds a 1323 01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,600 bigger it's a bigger baby. Still baby with a bigger baby. Uh yeah, 1324 01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,359 I don't know what else. Oh yeah, we both we both talked 1325 01:13:49,359 --> 01:13:54,279 about this also in Discover. Just like Death Straining two on the Beach. 1326 01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:58,800 Really you did that after the rumors saw that. I really really hate that 1327 01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:00,800 title. It just does not roll up the tongue. It's not gonna ruin 1328 01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:04,199 my day or anything, but it just it's not a great sounding title. 1329 01:14:04,279 --> 01:14:09,560 Unfortunately, I will say at least this for me is better than when the 1330 01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:12,520 rumor it was just gonna be called DS two because I always thought that's a 1331 01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:15,560 terrible title, no one will understand. But Death Stranding on the Beach is 1332 01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:21,159 not. It's not great. Here's the thing thematically, that to me is 1333 01:14:21,199 --> 01:14:26,600 a great chapter title in a game where it's like chapter five on the beach. 1334 01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,560 And it makes sense right because there is a huge sequencepecially near the end 1335 01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:32,840 that is taking place on the beach. There's a lot of beach aspects in 1336 01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:36,520 the first game, so it completely makes sense thematically. It's just not a 1337 01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:40,640 great title and they should just went with Death Stranding two. But I digress. 1338 01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:45,840 M we saw el Fanning here her character who When I first watched this 1339 01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:47,680 trailer, I thought it was Elizabeth Olson and I was popping off for that 1340 01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:53,359 because that would be just such a surprise actor to appear in here. But 1341 01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,560 I'm sure she's great too, I don't I feel like we should maybe on 1342 01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,239 the video game draft next year, even if it's just three. We should 1343 01:14:59,279 --> 01:15:02,079 do like a mini draft of like we draft actors that could appear in video 1344 01:15:02,119 --> 01:15:05,279 games like that. I feel like that'd be a fun Like I said that, 1345 01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:08,119 Yeah, we should do that because I don't know if we get to 1346 01:15:08,159 --> 01:15:11,840 fall, you know, we could get to far like it happens so much 1347 01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:15,920 nowadays, right, Like who was it, Like Matthew McConaughey is gonna be 1348 01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:17,880 in a game? Like I feel like there's so much stuff in el fan 1349 01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:24,079 Year. Yeah, and she's been somebody that same thing as George Miller, 1350 01:15:24,119 --> 01:15:27,079 So clearly Destrang has been working on for a while. Those who had been 1351 01:15:27,119 --> 01:15:30,880 over Kajima's Twitter a bunch the past year, so that's where it's like, 1352 01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:34,319 finally it makes sense. But then there were some people that thought el Fanny 1353 01:15:34,399 --> 01:15:38,640 was gonna be in the ode game because it's just like there's other funeral actors 1354 01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:43,359 in a similar age. So it's funny that I don't know, like Jordan 1355 01:15:43,399 --> 01:15:45,039 Peel popped up. I don't know if there's anyone else that hasn't popped up, 1356 01:15:45,039 --> 01:15:48,439 But everybody that is on his timeline somewhere pops up in a game, 1357 01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:53,800 whether it's working with them in the game, fun puzzle piece like which which 1358 01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:57,159 project are they part of? Exactly. So if we're doing the draft and 1359 01:15:57,399 --> 01:15:59,960 for that in the future and we see an actor pop up his feet, 1360 01:16:00,359 --> 01:16:01,640 we know we got it, you know, we know it's all done. 1361 01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:04,479 Place to go. Yeah. I will say one other thing too, not 1362 01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:08,720 that it's a big thing, but Kajima did confirm it that Matts Michelson is 1363 01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,920 not back for this game. He said he want to set expectations and he 1364 01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,479 just said that because he just felt like Cliff's story, like Cliffs referred to 1365 01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:17,520 this game. They talk about him, but the story was so kind of, 1366 01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:20,760 you know, perfectly knit that he like there's no reason to bring him 1367 01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:24,399 back. So I kind of feel that it was smart because there's a little 1368 01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:27,000 campaign if people be like, oh, where's Mads? Is he get because 1369 01:16:27,119 --> 01:16:30,199 big character, right and you get theorycraft. But I think it was all 1370 01:16:30,359 --> 01:16:32,680 pretty smart for me, like absolutely not like that story is done with and 1371 01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:35,239 I think that's good. You know, it's like because I'm sure you could 1372 01:16:35,279 --> 01:16:40,359 revisit for something but very similar where that felt like a very close story. 1373 01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:44,960 So Kuldjiba is good that way, and I'm very I am very excited. 1374 01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:46,399 I gues said, I'm nervous about the release date because I do not want 1375 01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:49,640 to get to the state where we are very stuffed and it just said twenty 1376 01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:53,920 twenty five. I was convinced. I thought it was gonna be fall this 1377 01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:58,079 year, So I really don't know, like do you have any working theory 1378 01:16:58,079 --> 01:17:01,119 when you think it's gonna be the first game was a November drop. I 1379 01:17:01,159 --> 01:17:04,800 always like to think about that and then like studios often don't follow in h 1380 01:17:05,119 --> 01:17:10,359 in in lock with that. But yeah, that would seem a little far 1381 01:17:10,399 --> 01:17:13,199 away if it was that, because that would be a long time ago. 1382 01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:17,880 Is there a chance Q one of next year? Then I'll say so. 1383 01:17:18,039 --> 01:17:20,479 I mean, the game's looking pretty solid. This is a big showing and 1384 01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:25,279 this it's only was January, I think when the when the state of play 1385 01:17:25,319 --> 01:17:28,760 happened, so I could see it being early next year or like first half 1386 01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,399 of the year for sure. Yeah, I think so, I because I 1387 01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,640 maybe AMM do you think I'm wrong? And also thinking that that's when GT 1388 01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:41,039 is gonna be though too? Uh GTA feels like a fall game to me? 1389 01:17:41,239 --> 01:17:44,880 Does it okay? Because did we go over this? I mean it's 1390 01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,159 different because like I feel like for years it was like November was the month 1391 01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:49,880 where you release big games, like every Call of Duty, all these like 1392 01:17:50,239 --> 01:17:54,199 franchises released their big titles then, and that's changed a lot, and Q 1393 01:17:54,279 --> 01:17:58,520 one is now actually a time where people release big games. That wasn't happening 1394 01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:00,880 for years and years and years. So things could change, But I just 1395 01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,880 feel like with a Rockstar that to me seems like, Nope, we still 1396 01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:09,600 do our drop November eleventh or fifteenth, whatever that nearest Thursday ends up being, 1397 01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:14,720 and go ahead with that. And you know that's fine because I we've 1398 01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:16,800 gone over this. I'll retract this. I for some reason, Mandela affected 1399 01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:20,359 myself that GTA five was in the spring, but it was the fall, 1400 01:18:20,399 --> 01:18:23,439 and I remember we looking up, so I can't remember if there was like 1401 01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:28,600 maybe a trailer that dropped in the spring that year. But yeah, okay, 1402 01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:32,359 so I think you're right. And then Destinating to me is like a 1403 01:18:32,399 --> 01:18:35,199 perfect I know we talk about November, but I think that's a perfect good 1404 01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:42,840 opening year game and stuff, so hopefully. Yeah, And then afterwards, 1405 01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:47,159 Kajima and herman Holtz were talking about his another one, not necessarily his next 1406 01:18:47,159 --> 01:18:50,600 game, but another project that he's working on, which is a new action 1407 01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:57,520 espionage game somehow related to Columbia Pictures. Is going to be a PlayStation game 1408 01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:01,560 to some extent. So like, this is obviously very intentional language here and 1409 01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,039 like all over the box art, because I have this in my living room 1410 01:19:04,079 --> 01:19:06,960 now for all the Metal Gear games. When you bootle the game, it 1411 01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:12,520 says tactical espionage game. I forget what the third word is, but like 1412 01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:16,119 they're obviously they're calling back to that in a very intentional way. So I 1413 01:19:16,119 --> 01:19:19,319 think that's a risky thing to do if it's not gonna be a very Metal 1414 01:19:19,319 --> 01:19:24,479 Gear solid like thing. But of course, if there is more of a 1415 01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:27,760 cinematic flair to it, and maybe that's the difference there, And the gameplay 1416 01:19:28,159 --> 01:19:31,600 is similar, and the story is as weird and as all these goofy characters 1417 01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:35,640 named deep Throat and all these other stupid characters that are in metal Gear solid. 1418 01:19:36,039 --> 01:19:40,840 But yeah, it seems like he's maybe gonna go back to go back 1419 01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,479 to a little metal gear. It's obviously not gonna be metal gear, but 1420 01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:45,720 it'll be his new thing that will be like that. So yeah, we 1421 01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:48,840 don't have any footage or anything yet, but yeah, what do you what 1422 01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:54,279 do you think of this one? Yeah, I'm I'm interested in a few 1423 01:19:54,279 --> 01:19:57,840 ways because he dropped, yeah, your favorite buzzwords of it's a video game 1424 01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:00,560 movie experience, which with the game, Yeah, which this one. I 1425 01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:03,880 did say that I wonder if it will be more movie than game and vice 1426 01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:09,880 versa, because they said that about a bunch before. But then throwing like 1427 01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:14,399 this sony like films to like Columbia Pictures logo out there, It's like, 1428 01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,199 that's it. Like that to me is heavily insinuating there is some big movie 1429 01:20:17,199 --> 01:20:21,159 aspects to it. I get it. I still also think kind of like 1430 01:20:21,199 --> 01:20:24,840 you that I think he just needs to get off the shitter and just check 1431 01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,600 the movie. Like, I think that's where maybe this is all leading to. 1432 01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:29,439 I'm not saying I want to get away from games, but I just 1433 01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:32,039 feel like I feel like he's stuck. That he can get out of your 1434 01:20:32,079 --> 01:20:34,760 system. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, and then maybe he's 1435 01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:38,640 great they're like fuck then Like, but I think it's that where it's like 1436 01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:41,079 he does want to do that, but he also does not want to give 1437 01:20:41,119 --> 01:20:43,359 up games development, so I do respect that, so he's trying to find 1438 01:20:43,359 --> 01:20:45,520 some middle ground. I don't know what this could be. So this surprised 1439 01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:48,880 me in many ways of that aspect, and not so much of him saying 1440 01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:51,800 that, but them showing the low and even every time Could Gems tweeted about 1441 01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:55,439 it's always been like physn't and it's been the logo. So I'm like, 1442 01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:59,199 Okay, what is Sony Pictures doing here? And we're seeing a lot of 1443 01:20:59,279 --> 01:21:02,039 video games being turned into shows the movie specifically right now right we're hearing announcement 1444 01:21:02,119 --> 01:21:06,920 fake every week of a trailer or something new this is. It surprised me 1445 01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:13,399 because the word was just that when he got out of Konamie, it just 1446 01:21:13,399 --> 01:21:17,840 felt like we never know, but it just felt like there was rumblings of 1447 01:21:18,159 --> 01:21:21,640 he was ready to move on from Middle Gear and that's not what they wanted 1448 01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:25,439 for him, so that's what he had to keep doing. And that's why 1449 01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:27,920 for PT was such a big deal because like, oh, he's doing something 1450 01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:30,600 else and this is where if you ever get to it metal Gear Solid five, 1451 01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:32,880 which I do love, and there is weird stuff, but it does 1452 01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:36,640 also feel at times where it's like he clearly wants to be making other type 1453 01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:40,800 of games and he's like, to me, was shoving other stuff in there, 1454 01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:42,399 like, well I can't do that, but I'll put in here. 1455 01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:45,760 So for me, I thought that he wouldn't be doing this, Like if 1456 01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,000 he did this, I thought it'd be even further out. I did not 1457 01:21:48,079 --> 01:21:53,920 think he'd want to be doing a tactical stealth espionage right now. I thought 1458 01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:57,319 that would be he's as od he has death stranding. I did not have 1459 01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:01,319 that on the Bengal card unless it was like some studio bought Konali and they 1460 01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:05,399 want him to work on Metal Gear remake or something like. So this one 1461 01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:09,560 caught me off guard. So I'm really excited because we have like a nice 1462 01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:12,800 little Kajima roadmap. And as much as I always think I know what the 1463 01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:15,399 guy's gonna do, stuff like this, like, no, he's again, 1464 01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:18,399 like we talked about Judas, this is his gonna be his spiritual successor to 1465 01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:21,760 Metal Gear, right, So it will be interesting to see him take all 1466 01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:25,840 those years of work and then what he's done on OD and Desk Stranding and 1467 01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:28,920 what he's going to do here. I'll be excited to see again when we 1468 01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:30,439 do this draft, what actor and actors are gonna be attached to, because 1469 01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:34,119 we know it's gonna happen. I'm pulling for Mad's Michelson because I think that'd 1470 01:22:34,119 --> 01:22:38,840 be great, like a stealth espionage game of you playing as Matt Nicholson. 1471 01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:42,079 I feel like that has like that's the money. Yeah, I just feel 1472 01:22:42,079 --> 01:22:45,640 like that's a good one. Maybe it's just Norman again, but yeah, 1473 01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:48,199 I think this is a nice roadmap of we're getting Death Stranding. I think 1474 01:22:48,239 --> 01:22:51,239 first, I think then we'll get OD and then this, And I kind 1475 01:22:51,239 --> 01:22:55,560 of agree with a lot of people's theories that we might have gone the first 1476 01:22:55,600 --> 01:23:00,600 PlayStation six game announced here that this might be like that far you know, 1477 01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:02,880 it would track and we'll see a long it lasts, but I don't think 1478 01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:05,640 it's If you look at when we got that first deaf Stranding trailer, there's 1479 01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:10,640 many years before that or in between that, and this isn't even a trailer. 1480 01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:14,640 This is just what the game's about and a working title. So that's 1481 01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:17,279 where it's like, I think we're pretty far off. But maybe they did 1482 01:23:17,279 --> 01:23:20,439 this just so didn't get scooped, because Ode kind of got scooped, right, 1483 01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:24,319 so that as they get to make that announcement. So I'm excited because 1484 01:23:24,319 --> 01:23:26,840 I'll play anything he does, and I think it's far way out, but 1485 01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:31,319 I'll definitely get my fill. So I'm I'm curious he's going back to it, 1486 01:23:31,359 --> 01:23:33,600 so I feel like he has something to say, So that's what intrigues 1487 01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:35,800 me. I thought he was kind of done with this, so that's where 1488 01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:40,319 I'm interesting what this full game is, right, Yeah, I guess I 1489 01:23:40,359 --> 01:23:44,600 haven't done the deep dive it. I don't know, like interviews and stuff 1490 01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:48,159 where he left Konami and talked about how he wanted too different or go different 1491 01:23:48,199 --> 01:23:50,960 direction than what he was doing there, Like I'm not too sure there, 1492 01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:56,960 but like maybe they're like, maybe he's doing this because it is something smaller 1493 01:23:57,039 --> 01:23:59,560 in that extent, like maybe it is more of a movie in a game, 1494 01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:02,880 or it's just compared to something like how girthy a game like Death Stranding 1495 01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:05,000 is, and maybe that's how you get setut of a system. And then 1496 01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:10,640 I also think it's a really bad idea to market it like this because I 1497 01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:14,560 just feel like you're really you're just putting the Metal Gear Solid name on it 1498 01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:16,319 pretty much without putting the name on it, and I just think that's a 1499 01:24:16,359 --> 01:24:20,359 bit risky. But then when we talked about Death Stranding, like that game 1500 01:24:20,399 --> 01:24:24,520 has a ton of stealth in it, It has a lot of action, 1501 01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:28,479 like gun play combat if you want it to. There's all sorts of weird 1502 01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:31,600 technology like Metal Gear Solid has where there'll be like a five minute sequence of 1503 01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,279 characters talking about these earpieces, how they talk to each other. It's like, 1504 01:24:34,319 --> 01:24:38,239 no one needs that information about Kadima just loves to geek out on this 1505 01:24:38,319 --> 01:24:42,479 tech. The game has a ton of commentary on the United States of America, 1506 01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:45,800 which is a thing I'm noticing it in Metal Gear. So it's like 1507 01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:47,560 Death Stranding is like, I don't know, is it a huge departure, 1508 01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,239 yes, because you're like hiking a lot in it. I guess that's pretty 1509 01:24:50,239 --> 01:24:53,960 different. And there's more. Yeah, there's a lot of things that are 1510 01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,479 different, for sure. And I mean I haven't played Melgear Solid five, 1511 01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:59,079 so I haven't played the most recent games yet. But it's like, I 1512 01:24:59,119 --> 01:25:00,520 don't know, it wasn't a huge departure in that way. I guess, 1513 01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:03,479 you know, thematically, some of these characters and things, it does feel 1514 01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:06,399 like something brand new and cool and interesting, But at the same time, 1515 01:25:06,399 --> 01:25:10,880 it's like it's not like he's ventured far from action espionage. Yeah, you 1516 01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:14,239 know, to this point, o D seems like the biggest departure, but 1517 01:25:14,279 --> 01:25:17,319 we haven't even seen what gameplay looks like, if it even has traditional gameplay. 1518 01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:19,319 I agree with you because it's a sense of like, Okay, des 1519 01:25:19,319 --> 01:25:23,840 stranding could be this completely new thing, but you're getting Kaujima isms, right. 1520 01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:26,520 But what I was gonna ask you is, so obviously you're just making 1521 01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:29,640 away through Metal Gear, but you had known like the like the history and 1522 01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:31,279 the legacy of as far as like that was. They feel like always talked 1523 01:25:31,279 --> 01:25:36,159 about as like a top tier in that type of genre. Phantom Pain comes 1524 01:25:36,159 --> 01:25:40,640 out and then he leaves, has anything do you think filled the void, 1525 01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:43,880 And that's not me asking rhetorical. It's like, actually, like, do 1526 01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:46,359 you think anyone anything's filled the void for metal Gear? Because I think you 1527 01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:49,319 are right in a sense where it's maybe not a good idea to set people 1528 01:25:49,399 --> 01:25:51,800 up like that, maybe make the game like that, and then when they 1529 01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:55,039 get it, it's like, oh, this is kind of like a new 1530 01:25:55,039 --> 01:25:59,199 metal Gear because now there's lots of expectations. But is it maybe the reverse 1531 01:25:59,199 --> 01:26:02,119 where there's just nothing springs the mind of like the top tier the game that 1532 01:26:02,159 --> 01:26:04,479 comes out, because I think what people have been wanting for years, like 1533 01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:06,600 a new splinter Cell, and that never happened, right, Like, I 1534 01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:11,920 feel like all the games people wanted are brands that are dead, even one 1535 01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:14,560 coming back this year with metal Gear. It's like, well that's metal Gear 1536 01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:17,159 again. So it's like maybe that's why has anything taken that slot? So 1537 01:26:17,199 --> 01:26:19,239 he can literally just come back and say, hey, I'm I'm kind of 1538 01:26:19,239 --> 01:26:24,520 taking that back. You know. That would be an interesting bit of research 1539 01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:28,159 to do, is just looking like where is the stealth genre as a whole, 1540 01:26:28,199 --> 01:26:30,880 because I do feel like there's things in that space, Like of course 1541 01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:34,840 Dishonored exists, and that has a trilogy of games that a successful hit Man 1542 01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:40,000 is like huge, and that's maybe a closer similarity, but like nothing quite 1543 01:26:40,159 --> 01:26:45,439 is doing stealth but then also doing this huge narrative focus and also being like 1544 01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:47,199 as weird as coaching is. So I feel like in terms of that spirit, 1545 01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:50,439 like Desterraining does seem like, Okay, we're still doing weird characters, 1546 01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:55,520 We're still having a crazy story with weird stuff going on. Yeah, I 1547 01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:58,359 don't I don't know if there's a game that really puts all the pieces together 1548 01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:02,000 like it does. And so maybe because hit Man even you know, Metal 1549 01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:03,600 Gear Solid too, I just got to a point where I have to put 1550 01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:05,640 like a costume on so I can blend It's like, okay, this is 1551 01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:11,279 very hit Man like, and so maybe that's where something like this James Bond 1552 01:27:11,279 --> 01:27:14,159 game from them will fill that void. But then like it will definitely not 1553 01:27:14,279 --> 01:27:17,359 be as weird on the story side of things. It won't have wacky characters 1554 01:27:17,399 --> 01:27:19,960 like you have to have big action set pieces up with Bond two, right, 1555 01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:24,000 you got to have your big he's on the top of the car shooting 1556 01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,600 a tank, you know that type of stuff. So it'll have a lot 1557 01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:29,199 of those, maybe similarities, But yeah, I think I think you're right 1558 01:27:29,239 --> 01:27:32,960 that there is. I don't know, he's just such a our tour type 1559 01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:38,199 creator, right that there's no one really ever making things quite like him as 1560 01:27:38,199 --> 01:27:40,640 the vibe I get, so you may even get bits and pieces of it, 1561 01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:43,760 but you're never gonna get the full picture unless he actually releases it. 1562 01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:47,199 So I think there absolutely still is that thirst for it, and I don't 1563 01:27:47,199 --> 01:27:50,840 know, people will probably even be down for non Kajima Metal Gear games that 1564 01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:55,359 are just well made, which you know, Kanana hasn't seemed to go the 1565 01:27:55,399 --> 01:27:59,000 extra distance. I was thinking he's a really hard shoes to fill because those 1566 01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:02,960 games are like even in these games have so much cutscenes for like PS one 1567 01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,960 PS two games, more than I even expected. So I don't know, 1568 01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:09,720 it's hard to find someone who's willing to do all of that, not just 1569 01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:14,359 do the tactical action espionage, right, That's what I think. I think 1570 01:28:14,399 --> 01:28:16,800 it's almost similar like the conversations you've had where it's like every game has to 1571 01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:20,880 have like a skilled tree now or something that like many RPG elements, all 1572 01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:25,720 games have to be like open world, open box like open box, open 1573 01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:30,760 world like sand box like it's almost the extentive where I'm not saying this started 1574 01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:34,119 the genre, but where I really picked up on it is like all those 1575 01:28:34,159 --> 01:28:38,199 Batman games have like stealth, but they're all like mini stuff, right, 1576 01:28:38,239 --> 01:28:40,560 and I think that's all like Spider Man won. They took that out for 1577 01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:43,640 Spider Man two pretty much, but I had many stuff Like I think that's 1578 01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,079 what happened where the espionage games where the selfiames almost went away for the most 1579 01:28:46,079 --> 01:28:49,920 part, and just like many pieces got incorporated into other games because like, 1580 01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:53,840 oh, well it's a stealth game, but it's like it just has stelf 1581 01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:57,359 aspects, but it's not like you have like the game is not based around 1582 01:28:57,399 --> 01:29:00,840 that, right, And even to the like even the strand you could argue 1583 01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:03,039 that not the hiking part, but when you bump into those like god, 1584 01:29:03,079 --> 01:29:06,279 what are they again, I can't remember what there are voids or ghosts whatever, 1585 01:29:06,359 --> 01:29:11,039 like that's yeah, that is a stealth aspect of the game, right, 1586 01:29:11,079 --> 01:29:14,119 because unless you want to fight them, you want to get around them 1587 01:29:14,159 --> 01:29:15,960 and not be seen, right, Yeah, the BT's yeah, so but 1588 01:29:16,039 --> 01:29:19,359 again that that's not the whole game. So it's interesting, but I think 1589 01:29:19,399 --> 01:29:25,199 that that genre has just got almost just folded into others, but it's not 1590 01:29:25,359 --> 01:29:28,760 a main genre now, it's all this game past. I feel like stealth 1591 01:29:29,199 --> 01:29:35,000 stealth games are never with the exceptional Kojima all like actually story focused, with 1592 01:29:35,039 --> 01:29:40,199 stealth being like the secondary part. Like that doesn't seem to be the thing. 1593 01:29:40,239 --> 01:29:43,920 But you know, even one thing I've found so funny about Min'll get 1594 01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:46,399 a solid one on the PS two where you have, like I mentioned, 1595 01:29:46,399 --> 01:29:49,960 these just really janky look and PS one graphics, but like whenever you get 1596 01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:53,760 introduced to a character, it tells you like the actor's name, It's like 1597 01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:58,479 it's really putting a highlight on like the voice actors voice performances. Games never 1598 01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:00,159 do that, right, He has like these long intros that are just like 1599 01:30:00,239 --> 01:30:03,279 movies and and all that. So yeah, they're you're you're right. There's 1600 01:30:03,319 --> 01:30:09,600 definitely a pocket there that only he can really feel. So well, we'll 1601 01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:11,960 keep an eye on that one. Also, I found the timing of this 1602 01:30:12,039 --> 01:30:15,039 to be quite funny because, as you mentioned, like we know des Ryan 1603 01:30:15,159 --> 01:30:17,279 two is coming out OD, so yeah, this is probably very far away. 1604 01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:21,039 Why announce it here? Honestly, a big part it for me felt 1605 01:30:21,079 --> 01:30:25,920 like okay, at the game wards, OD was announced, and Kojima got 1606 01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,680 to have his big moment where he's like, I'm on with Xbox doing this 1607 01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,680 thing. Yeah, And the time into this felt very much like Sony wine 1608 01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:36,239 to put a knife into left us. He's still with us, yeah, 1609 01:30:36,399 --> 01:30:40,279 which is very very intentional for me, which you know, going into our 1610 01:30:40,319 --> 01:30:44,399 next situation here, maybe OD is not an Xbox exclusive, but yeah, 1611 01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:46,359 like that, that felt that timing felt very intentional for me. Maybe this 1612 01:30:46,359 --> 01:30:50,880 is way earlier pronouncement then he intended, but maybe Sony really really wanted to 1613 01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:54,960 do it because of the timing, because it's like a month after that big 1614 01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:58,159 and I mean we've known about OD for a while, but actually getting that 1615 01:30:58,239 --> 01:31:01,239 big showcase for it, so that I feel very intentional in like a very 1616 01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:04,960 uh these two companies being at war sort of way to me. But maybe 1617 01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:08,399 I'm just reading into it too much. I don't know. No, I 1618 01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:10,640 think you're kind of right, because if it's been this so far off, 1619 01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:13,079 why do you need to announce it. It's just like there's so much to 1620 01:31:13,119 --> 01:31:15,960 do that is coming out. And now the downside is every interview he'll get 1621 01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:20,000 asked about this and he'll say a similar quote that's changed a few different words, 1622 01:31:20,039 --> 01:31:23,960 but yeah, it did feel like because I always wondered about, hey, 1623 01:31:24,079 --> 01:31:27,119 why did he do oh to you? With Xbox, you know, 1624 01:31:27,199 --> 01:31:30,119 and there's not many people jumping back and forth between the two as you said, 1625 01:31:30,119 --> 01:31:33,000 well about it. Maybe that's why he could because maybe it's like clud's 1626 01:31:33,039 --> 01:31:36,520 dreaming tech. That's why you wanted to make you're playing the game already in 1627 01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:40,760 the cloud. Yeah, so but maybe what the next story is. Yeah, 1628 01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:43,520 there's a reason that it's like, oh yeah you can make that because 1629 01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:46,319 it will maybe come over here at some point. So anything else on the 1630 01:31:46,359 --> 01:31:49,960 Kojima stuff here, No, if this got me excited again, it's like 1631 01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:56,119 something out of question like do I need more? And I think it gave 1632 01:31:56,119 --> 01:31:58,640 me enough that I want more. If I need war, that'll be a 1633 01:31:58,720 --> 01:32:00,720 question of when I play it. But I think they gave me enough here. 1634 01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:03,239 I like that Lias to do you got like a big highlight. I 1635 01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:06,720 hope she's not just like at the base too much. You know that that's 1636 01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:11,359 always my concern. But yeah, I guess i'd for a game teleport right 1637 01:32:11,399 --> 01:32:14,039 so she can always coming down. So yeah, so for a game I 1638 01:32:14,039 --> 01:32:15,640 thought we don't need this, I think they did a good job of selling 1639 01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:17,720 me that. Okay, I'm ready to get back in this world. I'm 1640 01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:21,119 very very curious, and he has some big shoes to fill, but I'm 1641 01:32:21,239 --> 01:32:25,159 very ready to go deliver packages again. So oh, I can't wait, 1642 01:32:25,319 --> 01:32:28,800 can't wait. Yeah, we also got announcement that there is a State of 1643 01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:32,359 Play happening. I guess the day this episode drops February sixth for Final Fantasy 1644 01:32:32,399 --> 01:32:38,720 sixteen, So I think we're God sixteen seven remake Part two. There's so 1645 01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:42,119 many I'm already doing a state of play a year after it's come out. 1646 01:32:42,439 --> 01:32:44,800 So yeah, I think that's a smart move. That's a game that deserves 1647 01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:47,960 fifteen twenty minutes all to itself, and I think it's a good way to 1648 01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:51,720 not clog down, blog down this showcase due we've already seen a lot of 1649 01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:55,439 that game, so for people who aren't picking it up at this point, 1650 01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:57,560 it's like, Okay, I get it, this game looks great, come 1651 01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,479 on next. No, I absolutely love that. I thought that was great 1652 01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:03,039 because I think we've not complained of it before. But there's definitely a camp 1653 01:33:03,039 --> 01:33:05,319 where there's like, this is a big game ending, and then if you're 1654 01:33:05,359 --> 01:33:09,560 not a Final Fantasy fan, it's like it's just Final Fantasy. So this 1655 01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:12,239 is kind of like a if you're interested, come over. If not, 1656 01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:15,039 you can skip it. I think they should do and they've done more of 1657 01:33:15,039 --> 01:33:16,880 these in the past, and they could even do a little one. Maybe 1658 01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:20,600 there's even other Final Fantasy updates. But I think that's a smart idea. 1659 01:33:21,039 --> 01:33:25,039 And then there is a demo of it coming out tomorrow as well. So 1660 01:33:25,079 --> 01:33:27,760 oh I didn't even catch that. That's all right. Yeah, warrior Ware 1661 01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:31,800 announced it about three hours ago. Where wars is for you? No warrior 1662 01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:34,800 Ware he came out. I was playing the game. He's like tomorrow, 1663 01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:38,319 but h yeah, so by the time you guys listen to the stats out 1664 01:33:38,319 --> 01:33:40,920 so if you if you're still on the fence, you know, yeah, 1665 01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:44,239 if you know, just like Celest sixty four, there's another sixty four degree 1666 01:33:44,239 --> 01:33:46,960 there, Yeah for sixty four coming out, you know. Yeah, No, 1667 01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:50,760 I think that's a that's a great move for I was gonna make another 1668 01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:53,920 point, but I can't remember it was there. You know. We could 1669 01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:56,720 talk all day about what wasn't here and theorized, but really the only one 1670 01:33:56,760 --> 01:34:00,439 I want to mention is because me and you into sam Ber talked about all 1671 01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:04,239 these this Insomniac leak and all this information that came out, and now it 1672 01:34:04,239 --> 01:34:06,600 seems like some of that has been disproven, but we have never really got 1673 01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:10,960 like an official statement in terms of like what on that roadmap was true or 1674 01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:14,039 false, because that's not how these leagues normally work. Yeah, but I 1675 01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:17,720 thought it was interesting and notable that there was no Vendom. There's no Spider 1676 01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:21,199 Man two multiplayer mentioned. Now. I think with something like a Venom, 1677 01:34:21,239 --> 01:34:25,279 I could see that being a fall release or just like not even this year. 1678 01:34:25,279 --> 01:34:28,560 They need more time on it. But I did feel like, Okay, 1679 01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:31,439 if I could have seen something come out here, if it was one 1680 01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:35,199 of these smaller games, or or specifically if there was that DLC or that 1681 01:34:35,279 --> 01:34:39,560 multiplayer thing for Spider Man two, I feel like this seems like it would 1682 01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:42,840 have been a good time to announce it. So maybe disproving those things, 1683 01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:45,960 but we already kind of had an idea that that was maybe slightly disproven some 1684 01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:49,319 of those roadmap things. Yeah, I wasn't expecting Venom because the rumor is 1685 01:34:49,359 --> 01:34:53,560 twenty twenty five for Vanom, so I think they're gonna be okay. Yeah, 1686 01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:57,680 I think they're maybe quite on that I thought even something small as like 1687 01:34:57,680 --> 01:35:00,920 a new Game Plus could be here. You know, I didn't think there 1688 01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:04,359 was gonna be anything sperimen really because there was a single update for a game 1689 01:35:04,399 --> 01:35:08,279 that it already is out from Yeah station, it was really I guess it 1690 01:35:08,319 --> 01:35:11,199 was more like Here's twenty twenty four. But yeah, yeah, because I 1691 01:35:11,239 --> 01:35:13,600 know Brent was hoping for some inspeerment and stuff, but I was in the 1692 01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:16,439 ghas like I, I just don't feel it here. The most I thought 1693 01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:18,920 it was a new Game Plus, So this didn't surprise me yet because it 1694 01:35:19,039 --> 01:35:23,399 just to me sounds like also, we're just not getting any of like story, 1695 01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:26,479 DLC stuff. It sounds like they're hard at work at those other things. 1696 01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:30,479 So yeah, I'm I'll be I think that is a I don't know 1697 01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:33,359 if they'll do another state of play, but that's either a BANG or state 1698 01:35:33,399 --> 01:35:36,720 of play or like a game award that Venom thing like that, because I 1699 01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:41,079 think it's Summer Showcase either of June Showcase. That could be one of the 1700 01:35:41,079 --> 01:35:44,560 major titles there Venom if it comes out like say early twenty twenty four or 1701 01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:46,760 it it depends if it's like what if it's like a fall the one, 1702 01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:50,079 right, because I feel like Wolverine's gonna be Fall twenty twenty six, so 1703 01:35:50,159 --> 01:35:54,439 it could still be. Again. What I'm hoping for, too, is 1704 01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:57,560 if we're not getting Spider Man's story DLC, that this Venom game might be 1705 01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:00,399 a bit more meteor than even Miles, right, like, still that same 1706 01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:03,039 type of experience, but a little longer maybe or a little more buff. 1707 01:36:03,159 --> 01:36:09,520 So uh yeah, maybe my prediction I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say not 1708 01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:12,079 till Game Awards at least. Oh no, hang on, I'll say the 1709 01:36:12,119 --> 01:36:14,880 Fall. I'll say the Fall because they might do their own state of play 1710 01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:17,800 maybe, so I think the Fall, but but yeah, you never know. 1711 01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:21,239 Things can change. Yeah, I'm trying to because the timeline was like, 1712 01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:26,079 it felt kind of side. It was pretty sizeable. Was twenty eighteen, 1713 01:36:26,159 --> 01:36:29,680 and then twenty twenty is when Miles came out, So I don't know, 1714 01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:33,439 I can't remember when the first announcement of Miles was. But that was 1715 01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:38,159 also like mid COVID era, where there weren't a ton of announcements happening. 1716 01:36:38,199 --> 01:36:41,840 Things were slowed down and whatnot. So anyway, yeah, let's take our 1717 01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:45,000 last break of the show and we'll come back and talk. We're gonna talk 1718 01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:47,720 about Xbox, but it'll also be talking more about PlayStation so we'll be right 1719 01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:55,800 back. Okay, we are back. So I'm trying to think about the 1720 01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:57,600 best way to break this down. Let me go, Let me do like 1721 01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:01,199 a little Dylan timeline of everything we've seen here, so you don't want to 1722 01:37:01,199 --> 01:37:04,239 do it Tarantino and work the way back, start with Phil Sweet and then 1723 01:37:04,279 --> 01:37:09,920 go yeah, throwing to tweet here, flashback here. Yeah, So I 1724 01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:14,039 forget when this was. In the last couple of months, we had heard 1725 01:37:14,079 --> 01:37:17,800 a rumor that Sea of Thieves and High Fight Rush were going to be ported 1726 01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:21,359 to the Nintendo Switch. We never got any sort of confirmation on that kind 1727 01:37:21,359 --> 01:37:24,159 of Okay, it was a rumor. We talked about it for a bit, 1728 01:37:24,319 --> 01:37:27,960 moved on to the next thing. But then just last week we have 1729 01:37:28,119 --> 01:37:32,880 got some pretty heavy rumors from some pretty reputable sources that the games. First 1730 01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:36,800 it was Starfield, High Fight Rush, and Indiana Jones, and then Gears 1731 01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:40,960 the War was added on the pile there too. These are all games that 1732 01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:44,640 are going to be coming to the PlayStation five. Now, when I say 1733 01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:46,640 gears, I don't even know which gears we're talking about here just eight Gears 1734 01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:51,640 of War coming to PlayStation five, and so that's kind of where the rumors 1735 01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:55,000 have laid. There may be a couple of other smaller things in there. 1736 01:37:55,119 --> 01:38:00,279 But then today today, being February fifth, Phil Spencer responded and he just 1737 01:38:00,319 --> 01:38:03,520 said like, yeah, we've been we hear you, we see you, 1738 01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:09,000 we're listening, and we're planning a business update event for next week, which 1739 01:38:09,039 --> 01:38:11,880 is a term I don't think i've ever heard before. No, that a 1740 01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:15,159 made up term right there. It sounds like it's made up in the in 1741 01:38:15,199 --> 01:38:19,159 the moment there. So uh, Travis just muted himself, probably like Phil 1742 01:38:19,199 --> 01:38:23,239 Spencer felt like doing when he saw all this stuff. So that's kind of 1743 01:38:23,279 --> 01:38:26,880 the timeline of things where Spencer very easily could have said, hey, that 1744 01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:29,800 stuff's not happening, but instead he said this, which makes it seem like, 1745 01:38:30,119 --> 01:38:31,560 Okay, maybe it is gonna happen. We just obviously don't know the 1746 01:38:31,640 --> 01:38:33,960 role out, We don't know what really end of it means. All we 1747 01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:38,640 really have for details is that these games are gonna be coming to PlayStation five. 1748 01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:41,560 All these games so far that we've seen, our games that have already 1749 01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:44,600 been announced are already on Xbox right, so it would be like a time 1750 01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:48,199 exclusive and then port situation. So obviously there's a lot of angles here. 1751 01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:51,239 I think I just wanted to start with like a positive side of things, 1752 01:38:51,279 --> 01:38:55,960 which is just that as a consumer, I absously love this. I would 1753 01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:59,319 love if Xbox are bringing all their games over PlayStation. I would love if 1754 01:38:59,319 --> 01:39:01,560 Sony b all their games to Xbox. I would love if everyone shared all 1755 01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:05,800 their games, that everyone could play anything they want without being locked down to 1756 01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:11,720 exclusives. That would be a fantastic And as someone who's primary an Xbox user 1757 01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:14,640 right now and I love my Xbox, I think this is amazing news. 1758 01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:17,079 And I can see why some Xbox fans would be salty, But to me, 1759 01:39:17,159 --> 01:39:19,880 in terms of the timing of things, where I've gotten many years out 1760 01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:23,720 of my series X I'll probably get a couple more before. I feel like 1761 01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:26,560 if anything were to happen and it's an impending doom thing where it's like, 1762 01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:29,800 don't play Xbox anymore because you might as well get PlayStation because it has all 1763 01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:32,720 their own games plus Xbox. But I, yeah, I don't feel like 1764 01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:35,359 that in the moment, because it seems like it's gonna be wild and I 1765 01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:38,560 you know, I was not gonna wait to play Starfield. That was not 1766 01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:41,039 gonna wait to play Red Fall. In hindsight, I could have waited to 1767 01:39:41,039 --> 01:39:44,720 play Red Fall, but I wasn't going to. So I understand where some 1768 01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:46,640 people could be mad there if they're big Xbox fan boys. But for me, 1769 01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:49,199 who is currently kind of an Xbox fan boy, because I love the 1770 01:39:49,239 --> 01:39:53,760 system, I love this news. I think this is amazing and I hope 1771 01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:57,079 it ends up happening. It's really and and switch, you know, bring 1772 01:39:57,119 --> 01:40:00,359 it everywhere, put these things absolutely everywhere. So yeah, there's a lot 1773 01:40:00,399 --> 01:40:02,000 of different angles on this. But yeah, what are your I guess, 1774 01:40:02,039 --> 01:40:08,520 top level thoughts in terms of the Xbox business side of things? Oh yeah, 1775 01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:12,880 that's tough. If it's the business side. It's what I've said for 1776 01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:15,399 years that there should have been a vote on no confidence for Phil for a 1777 01:40:15,399 --> 01:40:19,640 long time. Just business. I'm with you where it's great. They does 1778 01:40:20,039 --> 01:40:21,800 pose a problem though, when you say, oh, if everybody has a 1779 01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:25,119 console, it's like, then why do you buy a certain console? Right, 1780 01:40:25,119 --> 01:40:27,800 because that's what each company's after, right. And then an if you're 1781 01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:30,640 going for features and stuff, it's tough. And even like you said, 1782 01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:33,640 I don't think this is a sign that Xbox in two years there will be 1783 01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:36,800 no consoles. I don't think it's that. I think it's just signs that 1784 01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:42,640 what we've kind of talked about before where I don't necessarily agree with, like 1785 01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:45,640 the Sega meme. I don't think that because there's still a big company, 1786 01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:48,920 they have lots of games, but I think they will they are transitioning into 1787 01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:53,600 It's not about the consoles for them anymore. It is just about if you're 1788 01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:57,319 asking me, hey, what's the best way to make money? This? 1789 01:40:57,479 --> 01:41:00,399 This is it? Right. I've said before, there's two routes to go. 1790 01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:02,920 You'd be uber competitive and you go, hey, called And I know 1791 01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:05,119 they had all the court hearings and stuff like that, But now that you 1792 01:41:05,159 --> 01:41:08,680 own it, you go, hey, call of duty. If you want 1793 01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:11,399 it, you got to buy an Xbox. There are some moves they could 1794 01:41:11,399 --> 01:41:14,720 make, but they're not interested in that. So that's why there's two sides 1795 01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:16,800 of like if it's the cut throat box thing or sorry they called duty things 1796 01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:20,720 specifically of course was like went through all sorts of courtrooms and what yes, 1797 01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:25,680 and I ended up just being an impossibility at least for like a decade I 1798 01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:27,399 think was the time. Yes, of course, I think it was like, 1799 01:41:27,479 --> 01:41:29,439 yeah, five plus years, so of course they'd have to wait. 1800 01:41:29,479 --> 01:41:31,840 But it's like the second I could pull that trigger. If I'm if you're 1801 01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:34,600 talking about like how there's two sides. If it's money, they're doing the 1802 01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:38,199 right thing. If it's like the CONTs war, but that start, it's 1803 01:41:38,239 --> 01:41:40,800 just like the costs, it's that's just kind of over now, Like I 1804 01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:44,479 don't think that's I don't think it's there. You can debate back and forth, 1805 01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:45,920 and I can bug teir. You can debate back and forth, like 1806 01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:49,119 what is the best bet, but it's up to them what they decides the 1807 01:41:49,119 --> 01:41:53,479 best money wise, right, and if this best money wise to them to 1808 01:41:53,560 --> 01:41:57,800 start putting off all these games on PlayStation Nintendo, it's already on PC, 1809 01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:00,279 but you get my Drift like anywhere you can, then that's where they're gonna 1810 01:42:00,279 --> 01:42:02,960 go. And maybe that's the best. They they bought all these things. 1811 01:42:03,239 --> 01:42:05,000 They still got to make money. I'm not saying they're in debt, but 1812 01:42:05,079 --> 01:42:09,279 they spend a lot of money on these companies, so they have to do 1813 01:42:09,359 --> 01:42:12,760 it that way. And I guess said it just depends what their goal is 1814 01:42:12,840 --> 01:42:16,119 but it just feels like it kind of goes back to a couple months ago 1815 01:42:16,199 --> 01:42:19,000 when Phil Spencer was doing those runs like He's on kind of Funny, a 1816 01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:23,600 bunch of other shows. All those documents came out where they admitted that they've 1817 01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:27,119 lost the console wars, and I think it's just that they've just seen the 1818 01:42:27,159 --> 01:42:30,600 writing on the wall, and I disagree with the thought process personally. If 1819 01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:34,119 we can't come back, I think it's very frustrating to me and like, 1820 01:42:34,359 --> 01:42:38,119 because what the worst case is, and this is where I do want them 1821 01:42:38,199 --> 01:42:41,760 to be competitive. I do agree that if eventually we get to a point 1822 01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:44,600 where they are just a third party develop or they're making you can buy an 1823 01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:47,079 Xbox because you want to play it, have a Blue Ray Player, whatever. 1824 01:42:47,399 --> 01:42:49,640 But I also don't want to get to the point where Sony can charge 1825 01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:54,600 one thousand dollars for a PlayStation and you know, that's something where it's not 1826 01:42:54,720 --> 01:42:59,039 two and or not one in one comparison. But with me and wrestling, 1827 01:42:59,279 --> 01:43:01,479 there's another company starting. That's been the best thing for wrestling is that there's 1828 01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:05,199 another company that's not as big as WW but they're bigger than any others. 1829 01:43:05,199 --> 01:43:09,920 And for the talent for the fans. It's great to have an option variety. 1830 01:43:10,319 --> 01:43:12,159 I don't want to get and like I said, I mean, I 1831 01:43:12,159 --> 01:43:15,319 don't want to get to a place where Xbox doesn't have consoles and isn't a 1832 01:43:15,359 --> 01:43:18,239 competitor. And I think we're getting that way because Sony can now charge each 1833 01:43:18,239 --> 01:43:21,600 game one hundred bucks. They can make each console thousand dollars. Because if 1834 01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:27,199 they're play the same way, Xbox is doing something differently. PlayStation attendo are 1835 01:43:27,239 --> 01:43:30,720 two different fields as well. I feel like, sure they're competitors, but 1836 01:43:30,760 --> 01:43:34,479 not really, you know, like I don't feel like you can't play Death 1837 01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:39,079 Stranding or Last of Us on Nintendo and you wouldn't be playing Mario on PlayStation. 1838 01:43:39,239 --> 01:43:41,720 I feel like they had their very dedicated PlayStation. To me, is 1839 01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:46,119 like the hardcore gamers want, and Nintendo is the mainstream like what Disney was 1840 01:43:46,159 --> 01:43:50,079 in the odds, where it's like this is the family for everybody, right, 1841 01:43:50,199 --> 01:43:53,800 So for me, I don't want them to do that. I don't 1842 01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:57,159 like that. I feel like we've talked about this before where you got to 1843 01:43:57,199 --> 01:43:59,600 make exclusive games and feel says, oh, that's not the answer. You 1844 01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:01,640 can't just make exclusives and they come. But we also talked about the past 1845 01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:05,960 decade they've had a lot of disappointing exclusives or lack thereof, and I feel 1846 01:44:05,960 --> 01:44:11,720 like we're fine, Like it's just weird that we're finally starting like Starfield and 1847 01:44:12,039 --> 01:44:15,920 like obviously what was the Dampire game again, red Fall, it didn't pan 1848 01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:18,359 out, and even Starfield, like, I think it panned out pretty well, 1849 01:44:18,359 --> 01:44:21,600 but maybe it wasn't like the gaming year successful. Yeah, or sorry, 1850 01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:26,159 Starfield was successful. Maybe critically it was a bit lower than they would 1851 01:44:26,199 --> 01:44:30,479 hope for, but yeah, it was. It's that big console exclusive that 1852 01:44:30,479 --> 01:44:31,960 you want to hit on your console. I agree, but it also I 1853 01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:34,600 don't think had the same impact that followed or Skyrim did. Right. I 1854 01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:39,279 think that Elder like that. I think that's what they're hoping for. But 1855 01:44:39,319 --> 01:44:43,279 still for me, it's like you have those you have any Indiana Jones we 1856 01:44:43,399 --> 01:44:45,000 just finally joked about, like, man, they're finally getting a Marvel game. 1857 01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:47,479 But it's just like, well, now it's going over there. So 1858 01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:51,159 I just feel like for me, it's not that I'm against this. I 1859 01:44:51,239 --> 01:44:58,079 just feel like they're they're calling the race before it's over. I know, 1860 01:44:58,119 --> 01:45:00,439 it's kind of real over. But I just felt like, do this a 1861 01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:02,720 couple more years and see, like we have there's some big titles coming this 1862 01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:06,520 way, and see what happens, because you never know what can happen, 1863 01:45:06,600 --> 01:45:09,920 what could swing rain. And I think they're just already like, eh, 1864 01:45:10,119 --> 01:45:12,840 we've lost two generations in a row. We're done. I just feel like 1865 01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:15,560 that's where I I don't get that, because you could have a chance where 1866 01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:19,439 you could get that gaming money and the console money. I just don't understand 1867 01:45:19,479 --> 01:45:24,880 the tragedy yet. But I just think it's them saying we're not that company 1868 01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:27,640 anymore. We're not in the console business per se. You can get one, 1869 01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:31,119 but we're not there. We're in the subscription service yeah business. Yeah 1870 01:45:31,199 --> 01:45:35,399 that I you're talking about there. The timing, that to me is maybe 1871 01:45:35,439 --> 01:45:38,840 the weirdest part of all this. And you know, maybe this is just 1872 01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:43,119 like early plans and none of this happens for like three years or something, 1873 01:45:43,239 --> 01:45:45,520 you know, who knows. Yeah, but the timing seems super weird to 1874 01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:48,079 me because I feel like we were for years, we were waiting for that. 1875 01:45:48,159 --> 01:45:51,880 We're like Halo Infinite God delayed a bunch but still like came out eventually 1876 01:45:51,960 --> 01:45:55,840 and then there was fourser Horius in five two. Those are like two of 1877 01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:58,720 the bigger games. Halo Infinite didn't even like land in a huge way, 1878 01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:00,840 but it's like actually grown a lot and has been doing really well for the 1879 01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:08,279 for the ecosystem. But then you know, starting with really last year, 1880 01:46:08,359 --> 01:46:11,640 even the end of twenty twenty two, where it had like Pentiment and Ground 1881 01:46:11,640 --> 01:46:15,199 had come out, and then last year had like Minecraft Legends into Redfall, 1882 01:46:15,319 --> 01:46:17,880 into Starfield and a fours the Horizon seven leading into this year where we have 1883 01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:23,159 like starting off pretty early on with big hell Blade launch and do Indiana Jones 1884 01:46:23,199 --> 01:46:27,960 into a vowed like they're finally getting to what that dream was of, like 1885 01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:32,319 having a big Triple A exclusive every quarter, plus smaller things in between, 1886 01:46:32,399 --> 01:46:38,199 plus all these game pass launches for third party things adding in activision Blizzard, 1887 01:46:38,199 --> 01:46:41,520 which is you know, maybe they can't put Call of Duty exclusively on Xbox 1888 01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:45,079 that has tons of other things, not even if they're exclusive new games, 1889 01:46:45,119 --> 01:46:48,359 but just all these just hundreds of additional games you can just dump into that 1890 01:46:48,399 --> 01:46:54,319 service like immediately, plus anything new that's coming out. That's where the timing 1891 01:46:54,359 --> 01:46:58,560 seems super weird to me. It seems like they're just about to explode and 1892 01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:02,239 finally get this timing right. Everything's kind finally coming together, and now it 1893 01:47:02,239 --> 01:47:08,079 does not seem like the right time to do this move. Kind of with 1894 01:47:08,119 --> 01:47:11,520 that too, is like, I I wonder how much of this is that. 1895 01:47:12,159 --> 01:47:16,960 Okay, the Activision Blizzard Activist acquisition finally went through and that cost them 1896 01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:21,079 seventy billion dollars. Maybe they just straight up need the cash at this point. 1897 01:47:21,119 --> 01:47:24,039 Now we know that they're a company that has a ton more money, 1898 01:47:24,079 --> 01:47:28,800 but it's not just Xbox making these decisions. It is Microsoft above them and 1899 01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:31,000 all these things or all these layers, and so maybe that's a part of 1900 01:47:31,039 --> 01:47:34,039 it. We're like, damn, that was an expensive acquisition and we're gonna 1901 01:47:34,039 --> 01:47:38,000 make it up in the long run, but help us in the meantime, 1902 01:47:38,319 --> 01:47:41,520 we're gonna put a bunch of these games on our competitors console and get a 1903 01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:45,279 bunch of money selling these games again. So maybe that's part of the strategy 1904 01:47:45,319 --> 01:47:50,399 there, because part of the thing, what's that could But do you think 1905 01:47:50,439 --> 01:47:53,760 this is not a strategy that now they're stuck doing this forever, Like, 1906 01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:56,560 dude, that's the thing once you open the Pandora, but once you put 1907 01:47:56,720 --> 01:48:00,520 one game, one exclusive game over then it's like, well, now you're 1908 01:48:00,520 --> 01:48:03,279 gonna have a ton of people who are PlayStations are not gonna buy your console 1909 01:48:03,359 --> 01:48:06,840 anymore because they know they can get it there. But at the same time, 1910 01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:10,720 like we know this, and we've known this for years that like PlayStation 1911 01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:15,119 makes almost nothing from selling a PS five, right, they make money selling 1912 01:48:15,239 --> 01:48:19,119 the games, selling maybe like controllers, and then into subscription services. And 1913 01:48:19,239 --> 01:48:26,640 so maybe that's where Xbox's idea is here. So I forget I was gonna 1914 01:48:26,640 --> 01:48:29,800 make some other point there, but yeah, it just seemed like the timing 1915 01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:34,760 of this is is really strange for me in that way. Another so another 1916 01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:38,520 thing is and you know, I feel like if this is truly the pivot 1917 01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:44,319 for the business, it seems like it seems like it was maybe a recent 1918 01:48:44,399 --> 01:48:47,399 thing. And the only reason I say that is because the all those leaks 1919 01:48:47,399 --> 01:48:50,760 that came through and like all when Xbox and Sony were going at it in 1920 01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:56,520 court over Call of Duty and other things and exclusivity, we got tons of 1921 01:48:56,520 --> 01:49:00,640 stuff leaked there. There was all sorts of things where plans years ahead, 1922 01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:02,439 like Dishonored three was randomly in there, which is still not announced like who 1923 01:49:02,479 --> 01:49:05,520 knows if that even exists. There was so much info in there. There 1924 01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:09,960 was absolutely nothing about this, not a single hint in any of those documents 1925 01:49:10,199 --> 01:49:13,560 about them doing this, and some of those documents were like a few years 1926 01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:16,520 old. But it still makes me feel like this was a more recent decision, 1927 01:49:16,720 --> 01:49:21,079 and maybe that is strictly because of Activision Blizzard and this acquisition and how 1928 01:49:21,199 --> 01:49:27,000 costly it was that made them go this route. Another point leading into another 1929 01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:29,920 thing here is they've said kind of for the last few years, like their 1930 01:49:30,079 --> 01:49:36,439 default pr answer to this is Starfield coming to PlayStation because it started development, 1931 01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:41,000 like before it was acquired. All these kind of things, they're answered always 1932 01:49:41,039 --> 01:49:44,399 that question, like Phil Spencer, Sarah bon all these people, was always 1933 01:49:45,279 --> 01:49:48,439 it will come to any platform where game Pass exists. That's the way they 1934 01:49:48,439 --> 01:49:51,279 say it. They don't say it's only Xbox PC, they say where game 1935 01:49:51,319 --> 01:49:56,239 Pass exists. So, yeah, Travis, is there any chance in hell 1936 01:49:56,680 --> 01:50:01,039 that PlayStation or Nintendo allow game Pass on their consoles? And that's how this 1937 01:50:01,079 --> 01:50:05,000 is happening is because these games are coming to PlayStation. But it was at 1938 01:50:05,039 --> 01:50:10,039 the caveat that PlayStation had to sign that in the fine print there okay, 1939 01:50:10,039 --> 01:50:13,359 but you also have to allow game Pass on your platform. I just don't 1940 01:50:13,359 --> 01:50:17,119 see them doing that for competing with their own streaming services because game Pass is 1941 01:50:17,119 --> 01:50:23,720 way better than PlayStation Plus and way better than Nintendo Online. I guess it 1942 01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:26,840 just depends the cut, right, depends the numbers. Where maybe Sony and 1943 01:50:26,920 --> 01:50:30,000 Nintendo would block at that. But if Xboxer would say, hey, this 1944 01:50:30,079 --> 01:50:31,640 is the percentage we'd be willing to give you, then you say, hey, 1945 01:50:31,680 --> 01:50:34,720 money's money, right, And that's the same where it's like, is 1946 01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:38,039 that because it would cost Sony nothing, right, they got to do some 1947 01:50:38,199 --> 01:50:41,159 UI stuff. But it's like, either it's and let's say it was just 1948 01:50:41,199 --> 01:50:43,840 I don't know, forty percent. You can get forty percent of game Pass 1949 01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:46,399 on just specific PlayStation, right, not all forty game Pass, of course, 1950 01:50:46,399 --> 01:50:49,840 but just you get an app it's on PlayStation, it's game Pass, 1951 01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:53,880 you get forty percent of that. Even if you're not getting that, that's 1952 01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:58,520 money that you weren't getting before. So it's like zero amount versus whatever that 1953 01:50:58,600 --> 01:51:01,680 number is. And you're right about that subscription. But at the same time, 1954 01:51:01,800 --> 01:51:04,840 it's not like games Pass is gonna start carrying Nintendo games or they're not 1955 01:51:04,840 --> 01:51:06,800 gonna have Last of Us. So if you still want to be like, 1956 01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:12,640 hey, for a month, I want to get whatever they call the terrible 1957 01:51:12,720 --> 01:51:17,920 naming still what it's like, PlayStation Plus Essentials or whatever the hell terrible Like 1958 01:51:18,239 --> 01:51:21,920 again, Xbox much better than naming, but whatever their subscription services. Yeah, 1959 01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:25,079 I'll get it for a month and play God of War, play this. 1960 01:51:25,279 --> 01:51:27,920 So I still think it's there. And that's also the thing where it's 1961 01:51:27,960 --> 01:51:30,239 just like cause those aren't as great. Maybe that's another reason we're like, 1962 01:51:30,279 --> 01:51:33,119 well, that's it. So I don't think it's at the realm of possibility, 1963 01:51:33,199 --> 01:51:38,239 especially just because I feel like everybody, whether it's right or wrong, 1964 01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:42,560 like feels like they're not gonna be a console anymore soon. And I feel 1965 01:51:42,600 --> 01:51:45,279 like that that is one thing where I will say for the people that are 1966 01:51:45,319 --> 01:51:47,439 genuinely mad, not like fake mad or just like having some fun meming way 1967 01:51:47,439 --> 01:51:50,600 and stuff, like the people that genuinely like, hey, can only Ford 1968 01:51:50,640 --> 01:51:53,800 one and they went, oh, I'm gonna get this because I'm a fan 1969 01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:57,239 of Starfield or something like that. And even if they're fans of PlayStation let's 1970 01:51:57,239 --> 01:52:00,239 say I'm gonna get this console because I want this game. Then to learn 1971 01:52:00,319 --> 01:52:01,640 later on, like, oh, I could have just got the PlayStation all 1972 01:52:01,680 --> 01:52:05,000 and also got that game. You're right where there is people like you and 1973 01:52:05,039 --> 01:52:08,319 same thing like myself. For some games, you go, oh, I 1974 01:52:08,359 --> 01:52:10,800 can wait, I can wait for this. But if there's some people that 1975 01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:14,359 did specifically make the decision on that, that sucks, and those are people 1976 01:52:14,399 --> 01:52:18,880 I think that they could probably Like I think it's almost like definitive they lost 1977 01:52:18,920 --> 01:52:21,960 forever because the next time they buy a console, they'll not buy an Xbox. 1978 01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:27,239 So it's like they almost I just felt like they like like shot up. 1979 01:52:27,399 --> 01:52:30,279 If there is a situation where let's say we did a scenario where for 1980 01:52:30,319 --> 01:52:33,039 the next two years it was just they went out with all these exclusives and 1981 01:52:34,079 --> 01:52:38,119 it didn't work, and then it slowly started trickle down. They just just 1982 01:52:38,119 --> 01:52:42,640 just became more games past and Xbox. I feel like they put that like 1983 01:52:43,239 --> 01:52:46,159 they jumped into the future. It's almost like what happened when COVID with movies, 1984 01:52:46,199 --> 01:52:50,119 where theaters were gone and then everybody was just dumping their stuff on the 1985 01:52:50,159 --> 01:52:55,520 streaming services, and now the theaters have such a hard time recovering because like 1986 01:52:55,600 --> 01:52:58,199 for Disney stuff, parents are just like, oh, that'll be on Disney 1987 01:52:58,239 --> 01:53:00,640 Plus in thirty thirty days. It's not anymore. It's back to being like 1988 01:53:01,239 --> 01:53:04,359 four months. But they got programmed a certain way, and now I feel 1989 01:53:04,359 --> 01:53:09,319 like they're expediting the death of their console, which is kind of weird. 1990 01:53:09,399 --> 01:53:13,960 So I think it's possible, like who would be first? I feel like 1991 01:53:14,239 --> 01:53:16,479 Nintendo might take that, dip their toes in first, because I feel like 1992 01:53:16,520 --> 01:53:21,359 PlayStation Xbox have a bit more of a tumultuous relationship, you know. But 1993 01:53:21,560 --> 01:53:26,520 I think if you were asking five years, if it's like a factor fiction, 1994 01:53:26,680 --> 01:53:30,560 I'd go fact for both, right, Yeah, I mean I think 1995 01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:34,760 that could be. Maybe part of the angle here is maybe they are starting 1996 01:53:34,760 --> 01:53:40,279 to port these games over to these consoles because part of this business whatever new 1997 01:53:40,319 --> 01:53:43,479 business event thing that Phil Spencers gonna talk about, like, maybe part of 1998 01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:45,399 that is that, hey, we actually got this to work, and we're 1999 01:53:45,439 --> 01:53:48,319 gonna have game Pass on those consoles, and that's where the ports come in, 2000 01:53:48,359 --> 01:53:53,359 because they want to have more games to bolster that roster on those rival 2001 01:53:53,359 --> 01:53:56,319 platforms, because not everything. You can't just take everything that's on Xbox right 2002 01:53:56,359 --> 01:53:58,800 now and instantly play it on your switch. Because of course, a lot 2003 01:53:58,840 --> 01:54:01,640 of those things aren't reported and whatnot. So I think maybe that's part of 2004 01:54:01,680 --> 01:54:05,159 it, where they have those deals signed, but if not, it's gonna 2005 01:54:05,199 --> 01:54:10,039 be a bit more questionable for me. If they do have game Pass on 2006 01:54:10,119 --> 01:54:14,640 PlayStation or Switch, that is fucking huge for them, Like those numbers are 2007 01:54:14,640 --> 01:54:18,159 gonna skyrocket, and yes, hopefully those rosters are good, but you can 2008 01:54:18,199 --> 01:54:21,159 make them better by pouring your own games over there and then getting whatever third 2009 01:54:21,199 --> 01:54:25,640 parties exist on those platforms. But then even then, anything you've signed currently, 2010 01:54:26,159 --> 01:54:30,239 like those developers wouldn't have signed to have the Switch version also on that 2011 01:54:30,279 --> 01:54:32,560 platform. And maybe they expected a lot of sales on Switch for this indie 2012 01:54:32,600 --> 01:54:36,239 game, which I'm sure happens a lot. So yeah, I think there's 2013 01:54:38,439 --> 01:54:41,560 that could be part of it, where they would jump onto these new platforms 2014 01:54:41,560 --> 01:54:43,960 but then have like a really weak roster at the start, And so maybe 2015 01:54:43,960 --> 01:54:46,600 this is laying the groundwork for that, But i's gonna say if they did 2016 01:54:46,600 --> 01:54:49,520 that, you don't think you would they do something like, hey, if 2017 01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:53,640 you have an Xbox and games Pass, you get Indiana Jones day one, 2018 01:54:53,680 --> 01:54:56,359 but if you have game Pass on PlayStation, you don't get it there day 2019 01:54:56,359 --> 01:55:03,159 one. You'd get it eventually. Yeah, I already said, but I 2020 01:55:03,199 --> 01:55:10,640 don't really foresee. I still think. I mean, I guess the question 2021 01:55:10,720 --> 01:55:13,800 remains like in three years whatever, when it's time for the new console generation, 2022 01:55:13,960 --> 01:55:15,600 like is Xbox going to have one? If the answers no, then 2023 01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:18,479 maybe they start doing those these things at launch. But right now it's all 2024 01:55:18,479 --> 01:55:23,520 these games that are old, the exception of Indiana Jones. But I would 2025 01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:27,840 be shocked if Banana Jones was day one on PlayStation five. Now we'll yes 2026 01:55:28,039 --> 01:55:30,600 get that information from Phil this week or next week, and never it was. 2027 01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:32,119 But yeah, I still think they're going to probably at least keep a 2028 01:55:32,199 --> 01:55:34,560 year exclusivity, which yeah, for a lot of people, that's going to 2029 01:55:34,600 --> 01:55:38,239 be enough for them to not want to buy the console. Because the rumor 2030 01:55:38,279 --> 01:55:41,800 for Jones was a couple like three months. That was the rumor going around 2031 01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:45,920 today that I was like, that's the rumored time that'd be like drop an 2032 01:55:45,079 --> 01:55:49,439 Xbox and then within like three to six months be on PlayStation. That's that 2033 01:55:49,479 --> 01:55:54,000 would be Yeah, crazy, that would be a crazy time. Three months. 2034 01:55:54,319 --> 01:55:57,119 Six months is a lot better, but yeah, three months is is 2035 01:55:57,840 --> 01:56:00,600 pretty wild. That's still the same, Like, yeah, a year at 2036 01:56:00,600 --> 01:56:04,520 that point. So I think I think they'll still have a console this go 2037 01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:10,439 around, but I think it will be I think they'll just be one console. 2038 01:56:10,600 --> 01:56:13,720 I don't know if they're going to do the whole here's a cheap version, 2039 01:56:13,720 --> 01:56:15,960 here's of expensive version. I think I think what they would do is 2040 01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:19,960 just like essentially just a streaming box. Uh yeah, really really cheap streaming 2041 01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:23,680 box is what they would do. But then where do all the terraflops go 2042 01:56:23,800 --> 01:56:26,079 on that box? That's the thing, like, you know, that's what 2043 01:56:26,720 --> 01:56:29,840 you do need ter flop. So they're just no longer going to have the 2044 01:56:29,920 --> 01:56:33,159 powerful console, right because that was that was well, the games will run 2045 01:56:33,680 --> 01:56:36,720 if you have a good internectionnection, the game will runs just the games will 2046 01:56:36,800 --> 01:56:40,079 run just as well as they like on the game pass. Right now, 2047 01:56:40,159 --> 01:56:43,760 all of a sudden, game you can just go stream it instead of downloading 2048 01:56:43,800 --> 01:56:45,760 it and it will play just as well once again, unless you have bad 2049 01:56:45,760 --> 01:56:49,359 internet, which is a huge issue for this streaming future. But I think 2050 01:56:49,359 --> 01:56:51,560 that's the idea, and I think they've even talked about this. Maybe this 2051 01:56:51,640 --> 01:56:55,640 has always been rumors or things in the leagues too, where like they just 2052 01:56:55,680 --> 01:56:58,399 want to get like a USB stick that you can just plug into your TV 2053 01:56:58,800 --> 01:57:00,800 and people can just play XPO games that way, they don't need a console, 2054 01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:03,079 and that would be huge because that would get a lot more people to 2055 01:57:03,159 --> 01:57:08,159 subscribe to game Pass as a service, which is what it seems like the 2056 01:57:08,159 --> 01:57:11,880 whole business plan is built around at this point. So I could say that 2057 01:57:11,960 --> 01:57:15,279 being the future, I would not be stoked about that one. Just like 2058 01:57:15,640 --> 01:57:19,640 internet quality even in my apartment here is like not great. So I mean, 2059 01:57:19,680 --> 01:57:23,359 if this is the future of Xbox for sure, then yeah, oh 2060 01:57:23,399 --> 01:57:26,199 I'm absolutely My next console is gonna be the PS six. First, Why 2061 01:57:26,199 --> 01:57:29,800 would I Why would I get the Xbox unless there's like huge exclusivity windows. 2062 01:57:29,800 --> 01:57:31,920 But if we're talking three to six months on things, then yeah, okay, 2063 01:57:31,960 --> 01:57:34,199 I can wait for the odd star Field or Red Fall. That really 2064 01:57:34,359 --> 01:57:38,560 yeah tickles my fancy. I can wait that extra few months. But yeah, 2065 01:57:38,760 --> 01:57:43,239 like absolutely, yeah. I just think if they if they just become 2066 01:57:43,279 --> 01:57:45,399 a streaming box or a dongle, it's just I go, why did they 2067 01:57:45,479 --> 01:57:48,279 spend so many years talking about how they have the most powerful console and that 2068 01:57:48,359 --> 01:57:53,640 was like the selling point. I just feel I just feel like, I 2069 01:57:53,640 --> 01:57:56,600 don't know, has that really been like their motto though for years at this 2070 01:57:56,600 --> 01:58:00,680 point, like of course, definitely definitely for the generation before was all about 2071 01:58:00,720 --> 01:58:04,439 the most powerful Box One. Yeah yeah, I mean Xbox One was like 2072 01:58:04,479 --> 01:58:09,039 in the Xbox One era, game Pass started. But I feel like ever 2073 01:58:09,039 --> 01:58:12,239 since game Pass has existed, that's been their thing, not yeah, not 2074 01:58:12,359 --> 01:58:15,399 terror flops. And of course when they announce Series X, they're gonna say 2075 01:58:15,399 --> 01:58:18,159 it has all these numbers. But yeah, like the memes of terror flops 2076 01:58:18,199 --> 01:58:20,439 are meaningful because that's what they talked about. That shit so much, they 2077 01:58:20,479 --> 01:58:23,920 said it over and over again. But now it's just it's game Pass, 2078 01:58:23,960 --> 01:58:26,399 game Pass, game Pass. They don't care about anything else. I guess 2079 01:58:26,399 --> 01:58:30,199 this is what I mean in an overall scope where I think there's pros and 2080 01:58:30,279 --> 01:58:33,039 cons this, and I think there's something where I'm not gonna go to town 2081 01:58:33,039 --> 01:58:38,680 on it. But I just still think there is a multiverse out there where 2082 01:58:38,760 --> 01:58:42,359 both of them are still just thriving, and I just feel like I'd love 2083 01:58:42,439 --> 01:58:45,319 to do a chain and just look back from that Xbox One and on. 2084 01:58:45,439 --> 01:58:47,720 I just feel like every couple of years there's just a decision that I scratched 2085 01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:49,960 my head about, and that's where you're right, right, if they do 2086 01:58:50,039 --> 01:58:54,199 want to be games passed, they're succeeding. I will always go and say 2087 01:58:54,239 --> 01:58:58,760 that this could mean they're thriving, right, Like this could more people are 2088 01:58:58,760 --> 01:59:00,680 playing their games than ever, they're making a shit ton of money because there's 2089 01:59:00,760 --> 01:59:04,680 they've you know, got twice as many game Pass subscribers, Like I don't 2090 01:59:04,720 --> 01:59:08,680 know it, it could work out for them, Like I don't think they 2091 01:59:08,720 --> 01:59:11,640 need to have a box in your house necessarily. Like another thing too, 2092 01:59:11,680 --> 01:59:15,439 is they've talked about recently how they're getting away from like game boxes, like 2093 01:59:15,479 --> 01:59:18,159 even hell Blay too, we know, is like not have a physical version 2094 01:59:18,159 --> 01:59:20,560 whatsoever. And you know what, that makes a whole lot of sense. 2095 01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:25,159 If you're not going to sell a console and you don't care about people walking 2096 01:59:25,159 --> 01:59:28,039 into Walmart and seeing your games on a shelf, if you're not kind of 2097 01:59:28,039 --> 01:59:30,399 an Xbox on the shelf, then like why do you need the box there? 2098 01:59:30,640 --> 01:59:32,079 So it seems like they're even moving towards that too. So that's, 2099 01:59:32,119 --> 01:59:36,600 if anything, more evidence towards this actually happening. I'm just curious what the 2100 01:59:36,760 --> 01:59:40,920 story and even people that like when they you know, grow up in their 2101 01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:44,479 new gamers and stuff, like that, even if they're a stick and they're 2102 01:59:44,479 --> 01:59:47,319 a streaming service and a successful like, what is the story of Xbox And 2103 01:59:47,359 --> 01:59:50,600 I just don't know. I guess it depends in narrative, right, because 2104 01:59:50,600 --> 01:59:55,319 if you look at it pass that's the story I know. But I mean, 2105 01:59:55,319 --> 01:59:58,199 like if you look at it from like the cure the purely console base, 2106 01:59:58,279 --> 02:00:00,319 you look at it us like, well, they failed and they they 2107 02:00:00,439 --> 02:00:03,079 they lost and they couldn't do it. They settled for streaming service. But 2108 02:00:03,079 --> 02:00:05,720 then you're right if they're making more money, So it's just odd. And 2109 02:00:05,720 --> 02:00:08,880 I think that's where kind of like what I said in the opening, you 2110 02:00:08,920 --> 02:00:16,119 just have to rethink your mind that it's almost just that it's a person completely. 2111 02:00:16,239 --> 02:00:20,039 This is you won't maybe get this, but it's like Michael Jordan when 2112 02:00:20,079 --> 02:00:23,399 he was a basketall player and then they went to baseball, and that's what 2113 02:00:23,439 --> 02:00:25,760 it is. Like he was still an athlete, but he chose a different 2114 02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:29,000 sports. So it's like they're still game developer and they're still in the business, 2115 02:00:29,479 --> 02:00:32,680 but they're in not a completely different area. But in a sense they 2116 02:00:32,760 --> 02:00:38,960 kind of are right. They're doing some what the bottom line that would Nintendo 2117 02:00:39,039 --> 02:00:41,640 and PlayStation have to worry about because, like you said, the consoles make 2118 02:00:41,640 --> 02:00:43,880 the money, but they still got to sell those consoles to get people in 2119 02:00:43,920 --> 02:00:46,880 the door right to play the games. Their bottom end is now completely different 2120 02:00:46,920 --> 02:00:49,199 than the next box, and that's up for Xbox and decide if that's good 2121 02:00:49,279 --> 02:00:51,840 or bad. Like you said, it's probably good. But in like the 2122 02:00:51,840 --> 02:00:56,439 public eye, it's it's it's a funny thing and maybe it's just a public 2123 02:00:56,479 --> 02:00:58,199 eye for us. I grew up with it, right, That's what I 2124 02:00:58,239 --> 02:01:00,439 mean. In generations now people might not even care about that. It'll just 2125 02:01:00,479 --> 02:01:04,079 be a footnoe like oh for two decades their console and now that this right, 2126 02:01:04,159 --> 02:01:08,119 like that could just be and that's a weird thing that we won't know 2127 02:01:08,159 --> 02:01:11,399 for another ten years. Where it's just accepted now because there's so much changing 2128 02:01:11,439 --> 02:01:15,279 with movies and TVs and games as far as how do you put them out 2129 02:01:15,319 --> 02:01:19,159 there? VOD stuff like this, a dongle, Xbox games passed on PlayStation 2130 02:01:19,199 --> 02:01:23,279 like stuff we would have never thought of, right, So I think for 2131 02:01:23,439 --> 02:01:27,359 us and our generation it's hard to not hard, but it's just weird to 2132 02:01:27,399 --> 02:01:30,920 contextualize because we grew up in the console wars and we grew up like that 2133 02:01:31,079 --> 02:01:34,880 was the narrative, like how do you sell console? Who's winning the hardware 2134 02:01:34,920 --> 02:01:38,319 stuff? Where now it's just like they're it's not the Xbox is dead, 2135 02:01:38,399 --> 02:01:41,479 and it's not that they're not making money. It's just that they're in a 2136 02:01:41,520 --> 02:01:45,840 completely different game now, and it's it's it's it's weird, it's it's not 2137 02:01:45,920 --> 02:01:47,199 weird to wrap your mind around, because it feels like they've been going that 2138 02:01:47,239 --> 02:01:51,119 way again. I think it's just like it's at an accelerated pace. I 2139 02:01:51,159 --> 02:01:55,800 don't think I was expecting it to happen this soon because I think they'll get 2140 02:01:55,840 --> 02:01:58,800 one more like I guess you're right, that's been the because I've seen I've 2141 02:01:58,800 --> 02:02:00,760 listened to other podcasts, and that's been argument of well they even do another 2142 02:02:00,840 --> 02:02:03,319 console. And that's where I'm fifty to fifty. I really don't know. 2143 02:02:03,359 --> 02:02:06,239 I could see them doing one last hurrah. But if it's like it's not 2144 02:02:06,319 --> 02:02:09,600 even worse, like, if this is the direction you're going, I don't 2145 02:02:09,600 --> 02:02:12,199 even think it's worth it, then don't do that. Just yea, you 2146 02:02:12,239 --> 02:02:15,600 know, But I guess it depends if they got an if they don't have 2147 02:02:15,720 --> 02:02:19,319 Nintendo and PlayStation yet, then I'd say, I guess that's my prediction is 2148 02:02:19,399 --> 02:02:21,479 it really depends on those two. If they got an app on there, 2149 02:02:21,560 --> 02:02:24,359 they don't need to. But if they don't, then I think you get 2150 02:02:24,359 --> 02:02:27,760 one more generation of consoles, just like hey, if you don't, if 2151 02:02:27,800 --> 02:02:30,880 you want just the basic setup of a controller and a game box, it's 2152 02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:33,680 right there. No, that's definitely a deciding factor for me is Yeah, 2153 02:02:33,680 --> 02:02:39,279 if game passes not on these rival platforms, then they I still think they 2154 02:02:39,560 --> 02:02:45,319 need I still think they need their own console. I agree, but yeah, 2155 02:02:45,640 --> 02:02:47,399 but that'd be like, oh my god, that'd be like on life 2156 02:02:47,399 --> 02:02:51,199 support at that point in terms of why why I have that console at all? 2157 02:02:51,720 --> 02:02:55,279 And and you and that's the thing with these leaking and I know, 2158 02:02:55,960 --> 02:02:59,239 and I agree with some people that the people that are really hard against this. 2159 02:02:59,319 --> 02:03:00,960 When he said, oh, we're gonna do it next week, the 2160 02:03:01,079 --> 02:03:03,279 Xbox I, our community was like, what do you mean next week? 2161 02:03:03,319 --> 02:03:06,600 Like the since I'd say, like Friday, I know you said weeks, 2162 02:03:06,600 --> 02:03:09,800 but I feel since Friday, when some of those rooms are of break, 2163 02:03:09,840 --> 02:03:14,640 like that community has just been running lot of just like jumping ship or just 2164 02:03:14,680 --> 02:03:15,880 like having issues with it. And that's why I just feel like they did 2165 02:03:16,000 --> 02:03:19,079 need to he needed to come out now. But like I said, I've 2166 02:03:19,079 --> 02:03:23,560 I have had many issues with Phil. I don't I don't think Phil is. 2167 02:03:24,560 --> 02:03:28,520 I just think there was a path where you could have done both things. 2168 02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:30,000 And I think that him and some of the people there didn't make the 2169 02:03:30,039 --> 02:03:32,840 best. Like you said, there's Microsoft could be hot enough people. So 2170 02:03:32,880 --> 02:03:36,000 I can't just put all in them. I don't know everything, but I 2171 02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:39,319 think this did scare a lot of people off. So, like you're right 2172 02:03:39,319 --> 02:03:42,119 when the Dead and the water thing, I feel like this is something that 2173 02:03:42,199 --> 02:03:44,239 came out there, and it came out there in such a bad way. 2174 02:03:44,279 --> 02:03:47,840 It's not even like a like they presented it to the world. I do 2175 02:03:47,880 --> 02:03:51,119 think it scares a lot of people off. That Okay, I'm I'm not 2176 02:03:51,159 --> 02:03:54,600 getting that in the future. So I do agree with you that if they 2177 02:03:54,640 --> 02:04:00,119 do a console, it's just a something there people this context lists at this 2178 02:04:00,199 --> 02:04:04,920 point, Like as much as we're meaning on this weird name of event planning 2179 02:04:05,239 --> 02:04:10,479 business event that Phil has, like when they describe it to us, we 2180 02:04:10,520 --> 02:04:15,319 will hopefully understand what the vision is and hopefully it'll make sense. But like 2181 02:04:15,680 --> 02:04:17,000 I don't know, you were saying there of you know, obviously us growing 2182 02:04:17,079 --> 02:04:21,439 up with these consoles, being used to them and wanting like, I'm at 2183 02:04:21,479 --> 02:04:27,279 a point now where like I want like a handheld console and a home console. 2184 02:04:27,680 --> 02:04:30,439 Yeah, Like, what are the differences between an Xbox Series X and 2185 02:04:30,479 --> 02:04:33,520 a PlayStation? Nothing? The only difference is like what games you can play 2186 02:04:33,520 --> 02:04:38,399 on them because of exclusivity. That's like the only difference at all, And 2187 02:04:38,439 --> 02:04:43,800 so like I would happily embrace just having one console that is the home console 2188 02:04:44,239 --> 02:04:46,479 for me. No, obviously competition is good, but it doesn't. It 2189 02:04:46,479 --> 02:04:49,640 seems like with this it's not like Xbox is dying. They're just taking on 2190 02:04:49,680 --> 02:04:53,920 a different role, right do you think that happens though? If they ever 2191 02:04:54,000 --> 02:04:56,880 become a non console and they are just like, hey, you dealing can 2192 02:04:56,920 --> 02:05:00,359 buy PlayStation. Xbox is twenty dollars on the place station, but there's no 2193 02:05:00,439 --> 02:05:04,920 other console to compete with it anything scary. I think I would happily buy 2194 02:05:04,920 --> 02:05:09,159 the PlayStation and subscribe a game pass on there. Yeah. If I get 2195 02:05:09,159 --> 02:05:13,520 the same kind of set up as I'm getting with my Series X now, 2196 02:05:13,560 --> 02:05:15,800 then I would be happy, and that way I can play all these PlayStations 2197 02:05:15,760 --> 02:05:19,840 exclusives that I want to, but like it's seven hundred and eight hundred dollars 2198 02:05:19,880 --> 02:05:23,640 when you get the game, Like that's it's really expensive to play games right 2199 02:05:23,680 --> 02:05:26,960 now. Oh yeah, and that I guess that's and I do get that 2200 02:05:26,960 --> 02:05:29,840 that's a concern where for us one hundred dollars games like one hundred, twenty 2201 02:05:29,920 --> 02:05:32,399 hundred and thirty and if we jump to five years from now where PlayStation has 2202 02:05:32,439 --> 02:05:35,920 no competitor, it's like, man, that could suck for us, you 2203 02:05:35,960 --> 02:05:39,600 know in the long run. Yeah, I mean Nintendo will always be that 2204 02:05:39,640 --> 02:05:43,199 competitor. Well I shouldn't say always because now who knows what. I just 2205 02:05:43,239 --> 02:05:45,279 think like it's like it's like this, like they are doing different things, 2206 02:05:45,279 --> 02:05:50,319 but I just feel like I feel like it's like the Netflix thing where there 2207 02:05:50,399 --> 02:05:54,640 was a poll done a couple of months ago and it was like it's always 2208 02:05:54,680 --> 02:05:59,159 Netflix. People always have Netflix and something else, and I feel like it 2209 02:05:59,239 --> 02:06:02,640 was all Like I feel like the PlayStation Nintendo are like those are the two. 2210 02:06:02,760 --> 02:06:06,960 It was always get Nintendo and a playtion play and a PlayStation and an 2211 02:06:08,119 --> 02:06:12,359 Xbox, and I feel like it's all It'll just always be like for gamer 2212 02:06:12,560 --> 02:06:15,680 people like Alvisos. You have families different ways, But I always think it's 2213 02:06:15,439 --> 02:06:17,840 all you would always beg that, right, You're always going to Nintendo and 2214 02:06:17,880 --> 02:06:21,439 then a main game console. I'll always be like that because they do different 2215 02:06:21,439 --> 02:06:25,079 things. That's where it's just like, I don't know if PlayStation would feel 2216 02:06:25,079 --> 02:06:29,239 the need that Nintendo's gonna take away from their sales because they're also doing different 2217 02:06:29,279 --> 02:06:31,159 things. It's alsously other than just the docking and the switch and stuff, 2218 02:06:31,159 --> 02:06:35,239 but just their games are vastly different. And that's that, Like that is 2219 02:06:35,279 --> 02:06:38,279 a worry to me. Where it's like these games, like already we play 2220 02:06:38,319 --> 02:06:41,199 a hundred bucks for games, right, and that's it's a lot of money, 2221 02:06:41,880 --> 02:06:45,119 It's true, and that's why I really love game Pass. I mean, 2222 02:06:45,159 --> 02:06:46,560 I spend a lot of money on game Pass, but I also play 2223 02:06:46,840 --> 02:06:50,279 so many more things and I don't have to pay one hundred bucks for Starfield. 2224 02:06:50,319 --> 02:06:55,479 I don't want to. So the only other thing that we haven't discussed 2225 02:06:55,640 --> 02:06:58,680 is this kind of came up today. Another rumor circling around here is that 2226 02:06:59,119 --> 02:07:02,560 here like game sorry called Duty is not gonna be on game Pass. Now. 2227 02:07:02,560 --> 02:07:04,680 I didn't, I don't. I haven't seen the details of this, 2228 02:07:04,720 --> 02:07:08,800 and I don't think we have many details, but I imagine this means like 2229 02:07:09,159 --> 02:07:12,720 whatever the newest Cause is that comes out this year is not gonna be day 2230 02:07:12,720 --> 02:07:15,319 one and game Pass. Now, maybe that's something to do with how recent 2231 02:07:15,359 --> 02:07:18,880 that acquisition is, and maybe they just I can't imagine legally why they couldn't 2232 02:07:18,920 --> 02:07:24,279 do it unless that was part of something with this thing they signed with Sony. 2233 02:07:24,520 --> 02:07:27,239 But to me, that seems like a huge miss. If you bought 2234 02:07:27,359 --> 02:07:30,159 this and you can't put their latest game on your service, to me, 2235 02:07:30,199 --> 02:07:38,119 that seems like I guess there would be a tactical decision from them. They 2236 02:07:38,159 --> 02:07:41,399 feel like they can just get so much more money if they sell it rather 2237 02:07:41,399 --> 02:07:44,079 than but I just feel like so many people would subscribe to game Pass, 2238 02:07:44,680 --> 02:07:46,359 so I just feel like that Calculus to me, doesn't really make sense, 2239 02:07:46,399 --> 02:07:49,039 so I'd be a bit bummed by that. I still think they'd probably put 2240 02:07:49,039 --> 02:07:53,920 all the older Call of Duty games on the service at this point, and 2241 02:07:54,000 --> 02:07:56,199 that's kind of more what I would want. I want to go back and 2242 02:07:56,199 --> 02:07:59,039 play some zombies or play some of the campaigns I missed. I don't really 2243 02:07:59,079 --> 02:08:01,439 need the new one at well, try anything like that. But it would 2244 02:08:01,520 --> 02:08:03,680 seem it would seem like a weird decision to me. It just doesn't really 2245 02:08:03,680 --> 02:08:07,760 make sense with the business strategy we've seen from Xbox. But as with all 2246 02:08:07,840 --> 02:08:11,680 this section that we've been talking about here, it seems like the business plan 2247 02:08:11,720 --> 02:08:15,079 has changed, so I guess that could be part of it. Just seems 2248 02:08:15,079 --> 02:08:18,039 like a weird detail to me. How could you not make that happen as 2249 02:08:18,079 --> 02:08:22,319 part of that seventy billion dollar acquisition? Yeah, I feel like that. 2250 02:08:22,800 --> 02:08:24,239 I don't know why. I have no basis, but I feel like I 2251 02:08:24,279 --> 02:08:28,840 do lean more towards that maybe for some reason with this one, they couldn't 2252 02:08:28,039 --> 02:08:33,000 do that, because it does feel odd because I feel like, again then 2253 02:08:33,039 --> 02:08:35,880 they would it'd be, oh, then you're gonna have They said these games 2254 02:08:35,880 --> 02:08:39,399 were exclusive on games Pass, so then to me, that'd be a big 2255 02:08:39,439 --> 02:08:41,760 pivot, be like, oh, this and other games are not going to 2256 02:08:41,800 --> 02:08:43,479 be like we want to start making some big bucks. Then I feel like 2257 02:08:43,520 --> 02:08:46,680 we'd hear that about that would be maybe a pivot Peal won't like, but 2258 02:08:46,720 --> 02:08:50,039 I feel like we'd hear that where hey, it'll come to games Past in 2259 02:08:50,039 --> 02:08:52,760 a year, but to start off, you got to go back to paying 2260 02:08:52,840 --> 02:08:56,199 these you know we value them yet da da. So I think it might 2261 02:08:56,279 --> 02:08:58,680 be something with Sony, because that's weird for them to just be like, 2262 02:08:58,600 --> 02:09:01,920 is there a reversion where they go, well, called it makes lots of 2263 02:09:01,920 --> 02:09:03,039 money, so let's not put that in games Pass. But then it's like, 2264 02:09:03,079 --> 02:09:05,840 then why aren't you doing that with a bunch of other games then? 2265 02:09:05,960 --> 02:09:09,840 Right? So yeah, yeah, it's it's I don't think we have many 2266 02:09:09,880 --> 02:09:13,359 points of reference to this. The only comparisons I can think of are that 2267 02:09:13,479 --> 02:09:20,960 after Microsoft acquired Bethesda, Death Loop and ghost Wire Tokyo, which were originally 2268 02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:24,680 like planned as PlayStation exclusives, they still allowed that and they were one year 2269 02:09:24,920 --> 02:09:30,319 timed exclusive on PlayStation. Now they're in game passive course. But I don't 2270 02:09:30,359 --> 02:09:33,159 know if there was legally some way that Xbox could have weaseled out of that 2271 02:09:33,880 --> 02:09:37,359 once they owned those studios. Maybe they could have, but it probably would 2272 02:09:37,359 --> 02:09:39,760 have been more hassle than it would be worth at that point, so they 2273 02:09:39,800 --> 02:09:43,359 just kind of allowed it in that case, and then they brought them over 2274 02:09:43,560 --> 02:09:46,439 later, So that would be the only thing I could think of. But 2275 02:09:48,399 --> 02:09:52,039 I don't I don't really understand why not. It has to me, it 2276 02:09:52,079 --> 02:09:56,359 seems like it would have to be a decision from Xbox, not just something 2277 02:09:56,479 --> 02:09:58,399 legally they have to do, but who knows, Maybe they just feel like 2278 02:09:58,439 --> 02:10:01,720 the amount of money they can make from it is going to outweigh the amount 2279 02:10:01,720 --> 02:10:05,039 of people who would join game Pass just to play it, which I don't 2280 02:10:05,039 --> 02:10:09,359 know if you need to worry about that because of the just how many people 2281 02:10:09,439 --> 02:10:11,960 own Xboxes and are playing games on game Pass. But I could be wrong. 2282 02:10:13,000 --> 02:10:16,359 Who knows. Yeah, we'll probably there could be some Jason Schreier report 2283 02:10:16,560 --> 02:10:20,000 closer to call duty right at that time where we might get more details on 2284 02:10:20,039 --> 02:10:24,159 it. So I think you just released or renounced a new book he's really 2285 02:10:24,199 --> 02:10:28,319 seen, which is like an activision. Yeah, more Blizzard, right Blizzard. 2286 02:10:28,399 --> 02:10:31,239 Yeah, like not the Downfall Blizzard. But like I think about all 2287 02:10:31,279 --> 02:10:33,880 the shirt that went on there and stuff, So I think I think that'll 2288 02:10:33,920 --> 02:10:37,920 be good because I think that there's a lot of stuff there that Unfortunately, 2289 02:10:39,000 --> 02:10:41,840 a lot of big companies, I feel like, because the acquisition, including 2290 02:10:41,920 --> 02:10:43,279 Xbox, just try to sweep under the rug of like, well, we're 2291 02:10:43,279 --> 02:10:46,239 just wanting to get these games, and you know, they say, oh, 2292 02:10:46,279 --> 02:10:48,720 we moved on. But there's a lot of stuff that I think they've 2293 02:10:48,760 --> 02:10:50,840 kicked a lot of people out the door, but they kick him out the 2294 02:10:50,840 --> 02:10:52,560 door and they have their golden parachute on the way down, right, So 2295 02:10:52,680 --> 02:10:54,760 well, yeah, that's what I mean. There's there's a lot of trickle 2296 02:10:54,800 --> 02:10:58,680 down. So yeah, that'll that'll be interesting to see. I'm sure we'll 2297 02:10:58,680 --> 02:11:01,840 make a lot of people happy and industry that you know, don't want certain 2298 02:11:01,840 --> 02:11:03,840 things out, but they gotta be out there, you know, So true. 2299 02:11:05,000 --> 02:11:09,159 Yep, uh, anything else on this for today, Sirah, No, 2300 02:11:09,319 --> 02:11:13,359 Like I said, I am. It caught me off guard that it 2301 02:11:13,439 --> 02:11:18,079 was just the Indiana Jones thing again for me was almost like and even Starfield 2302 02:11:18,399 --> 02:11:22,079 it was like that. Oh maybe just because Bethesda and these were things that 2303 02:11:22,119 --> 02:11:24,279 were worked out before, right, you never know, like, oh, 2304 02:11:24,319 --> 02:11:28,000 if we promised them Indiana Jones game PlayStation, we got to own up that. 2305 02:11:28,479 --> 02:11:31,079 I guess I just was not expecting the trickle down of from going from 2306 02:11:31,199 --> 02:11:35,439 Starfield to Gears of War in a matter of three days. But I'm curious. 2307 02:11:35,479 --> 02:11:39,000 I'm very curious next week. I'm curious that I guess we don't have 2308 02:11:39,039 --> 02:11:43,439 a date yet. He just said at some time, So yeah, I 2309 02:11:43,479 --> 02:11:46,560 think him it's I don't know if he's buying the game, but I'm am 2310 02:11:46,600 --> 02:11:54,399 I still assuming Taylor is on UH is on next week maybe for side Quest? 2311 02:11:54,880 --> 02:11:58,680 He he is, I think, because well you're welcome to the h 2312 02:12:00,079 --> 02:12:01,399 What the hell's the name of the pirate game again? Oh my god, 2313 02:12:01,439 --> 02:12:05,720 Scull and Bones. Skull and Bones is doing like he because Taylor, you 2314 02:12:05,760 --> 02:12:07,039 know classic Tailor. He's like, oh, I'm definitely buying that game. 2315 02:12:07,239 --> 02:12:09,439 And then like I asked, you know, if I plan side Quest. 2316 02:12:09,479 --> 02:12:11,479 I tried to planning it as many months as advance as I can, and 2317 02:12:11,560 --> 02:12:13,840 he's like, yeah, I'm actually not gonna buy that game, and I'll 2318 02:12:13,920 --> 02:12:16,479 wait for the months. I'm like, god, damn it. But it 2319 02:12:16,560 --> 02:12:20,279 is doing an open They are doing an open beta for the game Tebar eighth 2320 02:12:20,359 --> 02:12:24,159 to eleventh, So we're gonna both jump in there check it out for free, 2321 02:12:24,840 --> 02:12:28,760 talk about it on side Quest next week. So technically the game doesn't 2322 02:12:28,760 --> 02:12:31,439 come out until like two weeks from now, but so anyway, that next 2323 02:12:31,439 --> 02:12:35,159 week is gonna be about UH, Skull and Bones plus this Xbox thing if 2324 02:12:35,159 --> 02:12:37,520 it drops in time. So if you want to check out Skull and Bones 2325 02:12:37,560 --> 02:12:39,079 or if not, you should still join for that combo if you if you 2326 02:12:39,079 --> 02:12:41,720 would be so inclined, yeah, I could potentially, And that that's what 2327 02:12:41,760 --> 02:12:46,560 I'm interested to see. I'm interested to see. Is it a hey, 2328 02:12:46,760 --> 02:12:48,680 people got this all wrong, this is what we're doing, or is it 2329 02:12:48,720 --> 02:12:52,039 one of those where they sugarcoat everything and go, okay, everything was right 2330 02:12:52,159 --> 02:12:54,560 and you're just trying to get it like you're trying to get ahead of it, 2331 02:12:54,600 --> 02:12:58,000 but you can't because already it's already out there. So, like I 2332 02:12:58,039 --> 02:13:03,920 said, I'm going the sense of Xbox is just going to become something different. 2333 02:13:03,039 --> 02:13:05,439 I think it's of course fun for me, me purposes, and I 2334 02:13:05,520 --> 02:13:09,920 always liked a bug Taylor, but like the idea of them being like a 2335 02:13:09,000 --> 02:13:13,479 top tier console thing, I think it's like it is like officially kind of 2336 02:13:13,479 --> 02:13:15,760 like dead Dead. I don't think that comeback can never happened, now, 2337 02:13:15,800 --> 02:13:18,520 you know. And I thought there was a chance with games passing these exclusive 2338 02:13:18,520 --> 02:13:22,239 games, But if this move does happen, of all these games going over 2339 02:13:22,560 --> 02:13:26,279 the Xbox consoles, we know it will be gone within ten years. And 2340 02:13:26,279 --> 02:13:31,520 that's like being nice about it. So yeah, crazy times not what I 2341 02:13:31,520 --> 02:13:35,079 thought was gonna be happening this week at least but curious to see what Phil 2342 02:13:35,439 --> 02:13:37,600 is going to do. And I'm excited for the press tour because he the 2343 02:13:37,680 --> 02:13:41,239 last time he did that when they were on the back hop, I feel 2344 02:13:41,279 --> 02:13:46,079 like he was saying something I felt like I was. If I was an 2345 02:13:46,119 --> 02:13:50,119 investor, I would been like, I'm not liking any of these comments because 2346 02:13:50,159 --> 02:13:52,079 it did just as Taya says, shredding the paperwork type of day, and 2347 02:13:52,119 --> 02:13:56,039 it was like it was an odd thing but at least gonna be interesting. 2348 02:13:56,079 --> 02:13:58,840 So I'm curious to see what happens going forward. Definitely, yeah, this 2349 02:13:58,920 --> 02:14:03,600 is nice meaty side quest. I think we really broke this down from all 2350 02:14:03,600 --> 02:14:05,159 the different angles, is a really fun one. Thank you for joining me, 2351 02:14:05,239 --> 02:14:09,319 Travis, Thank you for listening, like you just got a sneak Peeka 2352 02:14:09,399 --> 02:14:11,359 what next week's episode is going to be all about, so look forward to 2353 02:14:11,359 --> 02:14:16,880 that. Thank you for listening. We'll see you next time. Bye bye