1 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:16,440 What is going on? Clippers fans, Welcome to a kind of an impromptu 2 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:22,239 clip dim happy hour after some weird news this morning from the Clippers. I 3 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,519 am Chuck Buckler. We have people come in on the live. Adam Oslam 4 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:27,719 is here. We'll Upduck of course, is going to be here at some 5 00:00:27,879 --> 00:00:30,640 point. We're gonna have this out on audio as well. But if you're 6 00:00:30,679 --> 00:00:38,039 watching us, thanks for watching us over on x or on YouTube. Before 7 00:00:38,079 --> 00:00:41,159 we getting everything, I think things were. It has been a big week 8 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:48,240 for Clippers fans. Adam very up and down. How how are you doing 9 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:55,560 with this chaotic I think this is a line from Archer, but it goes 10 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:02,000 something like, I'm beset on all sides by idiots and uh, that's all 11 00:01:02,039 --> 00:01:06,879 I've been feeling today. You've been arguing with people who don't have profile pictures 12 00:01:07,799 --> 00:01:12,159 on Twitter and I you don't have to. Yeah, shame on me. 13 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,079 I've been having a rough day. I think the Kawhi news, which we'll 14 00:01:18,079 --> 00:01:22,760 get into, just has me especially irked. Some of the stuff that was 15 00:01:22,799 --> 00:01:26,840 said Monday with Paul George on the podcasts and people reacting to that and talking 16 00:01:26,879 --> 00:01:30,840 about it got me going a little bit. It's just been frustrating. Man, 17 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,400 it just it has. I have to be honest about this later in 18 00:01:34,439 --> 00:01:38,799 the show well and with something positive as always, but it has not been 19 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,359 an easy week for cliper Nations so far. Yeah, so we're gonna talk 20 00:01:42,799 --> 00:01:49,400 uh Kawhi news. We're gonna talk the possibility of zach lavine trade. Miles 21 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,280 Johnson is already wanting to talk about that, but we're gonna get to that, 22 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,560 and then we're gonna talk to viats zubots fighting people in Greece, which 23 00:01:56,599 --> 00:02:01,280 is crazy. I don't know why you would ever fights. That's how angry 24 00:02:01,319 --> 00:02:06,239 I was today. I would fight Zoo, no would side. Yeah. 25 00:02:07,079 --> 00:02:16,800 Right, So Kawhi leaves Team USA and people were at first freaked out, 26 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,479 which I think is fair. Of course, if you're a Clippers fan and 27 00:02:20,479 --> 00:02:24,280 you wake up to the headline Kawhi Leonard leaves Team USA early, it's not 28 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:30,439 like your head's gonna go to the Oh, he's probably fine, that's not 29 00:02:30,479 --> 00:02:35,840 gonna happen. But you're assuming the worst if you're a Clippers fan, which 30 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,159 makes sense, but the statement, yeah, go for it. You haven't 31 00:02:39,159 --> 00:02:44,319 pulled up. We have the technology to share screens. I have so many 32 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,560 damn tabs open. I'm just gonna read it. You're arguing with everybody. 33 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:52,560 Twenty twenty four USA Basketball men's national team update on Kawhi Leonard Kawhi has been 34 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,879 ramping up for the Olympics over the past several weeks and had a few strong 35 00:02:54,919 --> 00:03:00,319 practices in Las Vegas. He felt ready to compete. However, he respects 36 00:03:00,319 --> 00:03:05,759 that USA Basketball and the Clippers determined it's in his best interest to spend the 37 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:10,039 remainder of the summer preparing for the upcoming season rather than participating in the Olympic 38 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:15,879 Games in Paris, Lucas. Hahn had an interesting take where he was like, 39 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,319 maybe this is just the Clippers were called like being like, we don't 40 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,680 like what happened with Wiggins, a quieter version of what happened with Wiggins and 41 00:03:23,759 --> 00:03:25,680 Team Canada. Do you think that in boldened them? I mean, if 42 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:30,840 they're doing this with Wiggins, we could sure do this with injury history. 43 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:38,439 Does that seem I know, and I understand coming into this, we talked 44 00:03:38,439 --> 00:03:42,800 about Kawhi playing in the Olympics. Were you for it, against it? 45 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,199 How did you feel about it as a fan? It was mixed, obviously, 46 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,319 but there was a contingent of fans saying, you know, he hasn't 47 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,080 been able to finish the last four seasons as a Clipper, so they didn't 48 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:58,960 want to see him playing in the Olympics and putting further wear and tear on 49 00:03:59,039 --> 00:04:02,560 his body on his right knee, which I think to some degree is understandable. 50 00:04:02,879 --> 00:04:06,919 However, it was his decision. It sounded like it was a bucket 51 00:04:06,919 --> 00:04:10,719 list thing for him to get a gold medal. I think he was supposed 52 00:04:10,759 --> 00:04:15,159 to do it, what the last time around or something like that, and 53 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:20,240 wasn't able to yeah something, Leonard, certainly it meant something to him. 54 00:04:20,439 --> 00:04:25,519 He wanted to do so. But when the reports started to come out, 55 00:04:25,759 --> 00:04:31,360 and this was within the last week and he talked about how he had a 56 00:04:31,439 --> 00:04:36,319 turnaround within the last two weeks health wise, that was a little bit of 57 00:04:36,319 --> 00:04:41,439 a red flag to me. And then when he said the knee is currently 58 00:04:42,319 --> 00:04:46,920 at neutral status, that was kind of a red flag to me. It 59 00:04:46,079 --> 00:04:51,639 just seemed like the swelling. If we're going off a timeline of the last 60 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:58,000 game he played before it was March thirty first against the Charlotte Hornets, then 61 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,480 we're almost at three months. Yes, before the two week period where he 62 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,600 is saying he had a turnaround of swelling in his right knee for something that 63 00:05:06,759 --> 00:05:15,920 is not structurally an issue. According to whatever MRI they got one. We 64 00:05:15,959 --> 00:05:18,560 know they got at least one right they said there was no structural damage. 65 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:29,319 I have been extremely honest about my feelings about this injury on the very last 66 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:35,480 show that I'm not trying to fear monger or be an alarmist, but I 67 00:05:35,519 --> 00:05:40,759 will be monitoring Kawhi learned it very closely during the Olympics to see how he 68 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:45,920 is because that practice session he did in front of Steve Kerr and Tyler and 69 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:51,040 Lawrence Frank is just different than five on five work, and Brad Turner's piece 70 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:58,160 said that the practices were up and down was the quote which we saw what 71 00:05:58,319 --> 00:06:01,399 up and down. Kawhi looked like an extreme version of it in the playoffs 72 00:06:01,439 --> 00:06:05,879 this year, So I think it was probably a thing where it was like, 73 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:13,319 I don't know, I'm not super upset about it, though now I'm 74 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,720 more concerned than I was earlier. Today, I have to be honest about 75 00:06:15,759 --> 00:06:21,720 that because I have had this dark cloud regarding this injury only because when people 76 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:26,160 were saying they're saving him for the playoffs. They don't want to get fined. 77 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,240 I pushed backed immediately and said that game against Denver that he missed, 78 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,480 guys, was a huge seating implication game. There's no way if there wasn't 79 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:40,319 something going on, he wouldn't have played that game. And then they said 80 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,959 he was just saving him, They were saving him for the playoffs and it's 81 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,199 gamesmanship, and only people got mad at me about that, and I said, 82 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:51,120 I don't think it's gamesmanship, guys, because he didn't play against Denver 83 00:06:51,879 --> 00:06:56,879 that had huge ramifications. They ended up winning that game, by the way, 84 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,839 anyways, but I never bought into to it. Oh, they're downplaying 85 00:07:00,879 --> 00:07:05,079 it. He'll be fine once the playoffs come around. And the other thing 86 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:11,399 I kept saying was I'm not so much worried about Kawhi playing in a game 87 00:07:11,399 --> 00:07:14,759 in the playoffs and trying to play and testing it out. What I'm worried 88 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,600 about is how he responds the next day. And guess what happened. He 89 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,879 looked pretty good in game two overall, and then game three was a complete 90 00:07:21,879 --> 00:07:27,680 shell of himself here and said afterwards that the knee didn't respond the way we 91 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,759 wanted it to and probably should have been poled after his first stint with how 92 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,040 bad he looked, hanging on the rim, not wanting to land on the 93 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:41,480 floor. So, now moving this forward, the initial injury apparently took place 94 00:07:42,399 --> 00:07:45,720 against Charlotte on March thirty. First, you look great in that game. 95 00:07:46,959 --> 00:07:51,399 We're talking about three months ago now, and now we get a report from 96 00:07:51,439 --> 00:07:55,839 Sham Sharania. I don't know if you saw this, because I just did. 97 00:07:56,759 --> 00:08:01,040 I don't know the exact context because he's saying Kawhi has been dealing with 98 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:07,519 chronic soreness in his right knee. Does that mean was dealing with it before 99 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,800 Team USA? Yes, that was. We could play the clip of him 100 00:08:13,839 --> 00:08:22,199 saying I don't want to give he doesn't need this show. Sure, but 101 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:30,160 he said he wasn't going full speed at Team USA practice, which against him 102 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:35,840 practicing fully. If it's not full speed. Now, whether or not you 103 00:08:35,879 --> 00:08:39,120 want to believe that report or not, he's no longer a Team USA. 104 00:08:39,879 --> 00:08:43,399 So it sounds like there were two things, two options that Clipper Nation has 105 00:08:43,399 --> 00:08:46,440 been ruminating about all day. That has a little bit of dread in the 106 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:52,000 air. Is it he looked pretty good and they just want to save him 107 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:56,080 for the regular season and make sure not to put anywhere and tear on his 108 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:01,159 body, knowing that they are going hard in practice, knowing his injury history, 109 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,039 and they just want to do what a lot of the fans warned him 110 00:09:03,039 --> 00:09:07,799 to do, which is just wait for Clippers basketball to put pressure on the 111 00:09:07,879 --> 00:09:13,879 knee. Or the other option is he didn't look good, it hasn't fully 112 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:22,000 healed, and it's saving him from himself and possibly re injuring it, worsening 113 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:26,279 it, exacerbating the injury. I don't know. Skip Bayless came out earlier 114 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,759 today and said he got a scope. Whether or not you want to believe 115 00:09:30,799 --> 00:09:37,559 Skip Bayless, you know, I can't stay. People have said in the 116 00:09:37,639 --> 00:09:41,679 past though he has been on with some of his intel on Kawhi Leonard. 117 00:09:41,159 --> 00:09:46,600 I don't know if that's the case, but people have wonder But people have 118 00:09:46,799 --> 00:09:52,080 wondered if he had already got under the knife, if they already checked on 119 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,120 it, given the knee being swollen for that long, that is fair and 120 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,320 to go. I like that thing you said about the three kind of the 121 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:03,480 three outc maybe the Clippers fans were thinking about. The last one you said 122 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,200 was like the Clippers kind of were like, oh, saving him from himself. 123 00:10:07,759 --> 00:10:11,919 I don't know. Based on how we've seen them treat Kawhi, I 124 00:10:11,039 --> 00:10:16,240 think it's maybe option one right because they kind of done whatever Kawi wants after 125 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,840 the trade, and I don't think at this point they would be like, 126 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,200 no, you can't play. I think it was maybe more in like an 127 00:10:20,279 --> 00:10:26,000 amicable split. Maybe that's what I'm choosing to be agree because they can't do 128 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:31,360 anything if Kawi wants to play, they can't learn anything about it. They 129 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,879 have no recourse if he is adamant that he wants to play for Team USA. 130 00:10:37,399 --> 00:10:39,440 It sounds like it was a collaboration. He understood where they were coming 131 00:10:39,519 --> 00:10:43,679 from, and considering the terminology he was using with the knee being in a 132 00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:48,879 neutral state, I'm sure he had his own concerns regarding it and knowing that 133 00:10:50,039 --> 00:10:54,279 he's just had a turnaround two weeks before. Maybe if it had responded better 134 00:10:54,919 --> 00:10:58,799 and he really felt good, he would have argued his point of staying there 135 00:11:00,279 --> 00:11:03,720 and seeing how it goes and willing to play into a nice first game against 136 00:11:03,799 --> 00:11:11,240 Canada. But if the Shams report is correct, that's much more worrisome and 137 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:18,480 concerning. Yes, and we are not going to know if that report is 138 00:11:18,799 --> 00:11:24,960 correct, until we get some kind of notification, maybe a Lawrence Frank statement. 139 00:11:24,039 --> 00:11:30,159 We've talked about the dreaded impromptu Lawrence Frank's statement or impromptu Lawrence Frank press 140 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:35,399 conference. Because they can announce if a scope is going to happen, a 141 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,320 knee check out, whatever, they can announce it kind of whatever they want 142 00:11:39,639 --> 00:11:43,000 because it's the off season, so we'll know about it much more after the 143 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:50,919 Would you be surprised if three months in with consistent swelling, chronic soreness in 144 00:11:52,039 --> 00:11:56,639 his knee, if he hadn't had a scope yet, would you be surprised 145 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:03,639 by that? Yeah, I think I would be surprised. Doctor shapp is 146 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,240 not in the building, by the way, I think I would. I 147 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:13,320 guess i'd be surprised because you think they'd want to check it out. I'm 148 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,720 fine with constant swelling for three months. I'm fine with the scope to check 149 00:12:16,759 --> 00:12:20,600 things out, But if he gets a scrape or something like that, then 150 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:26,000 I'm a little more antsy. The other thing I stressed immediately with for this 151 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:30,960 season, well, remember the initial injury was listed as soreness in his right 152 00:12:31,039 --> 00:12:33,240 knee, and the one thing I stressed was it's his right knee. Guys, 153 00:12:33,519 --> 00:12:37,240 it's the acl k me it's the moniscus knee. It's been the troublesome 154 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,759 late. Going back to theopathy. We were freaking out on that line. 155 00:12:41,799 --> 00:12:48,000 That's a very funny one to look back on that. Apparently we were right 156 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:54,759 to be. I think we were on the right track. It wasn't gamesmanship. 157 00:12:56,039 --> 00:13:01,559 He wasn't fine. He could barely go in the playoffs, and shams 158 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:07,799 is saying they're still an issue and all. Yeah, I love Kawhi Leonard. 159 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:15,559 I feel terrible for him. He spoke about how his journey's been different 160 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,399 as an athlete because of all the setbacks, but it is his journey, 161 00:13:20,039 --> 00:13:24,120 and I thought said something very strong and inspiring at camp with Team USA, 162 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:31,679 saying I'm gonna go until i can't anymore because I know I'm motivating others who 163 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:37,519 have dealt with injuries in the past. He also or down the line future 164 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,759 generations they could see it as motivation. Kawhi kept pushing through, and he 165 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,759 also wasn't feeling sorry for himself. He said there's players that have dealt with 166 00:13:43,879 --> 00:13:48,679 much worse, almost like, you know, I'm the luckiest guy in the 167 00:13:48,759 --> 00:13:56,080 world. Type stuff. Yeah, Paul George dealt with crazy. Yeah, 168 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,879 it's not. I don't know, because it's like, do you think about 169 00:14:01,879 --> 00:14:05,879 the expectations for the Clippers too, they weren't gonna win a championship this next 170 00:14:05,039 --> 00:14:11,000 upcoming season. I don't. Certainly not if they don't have Kawhi well, 171 00:14:11,039 --> 00:14:13,639 certainly they don't have Kauhi. Really tough to make any argument for them being 172 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:18,279 in the championship conversation without Paul George and Kawhi Leonards, right, do you 173 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:26,240 think now with the lesser expectations, we're gonna see some more not what we 174 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,840 saw last season. Let's just say, in terms of how many games Kawi 175 00:14:28,919 --> 00:14:33,279 played, do you think there's I think there's gonna be more hanging out well 176 00:14:33,639 --> 00:14:37,559 and managing an injury. I don't. I also know I'm not trying to 177 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,360 make light of the fact that he's like, he's we need to manage it. 178 00:14:39,559 --> 00:14:46,799 If anyone still has an issue or makes fun of the Clippers for wanting 179 00:14:46,879 --> 00:14:50,720 to load manage Kawhi Leonard at this point, with everything he has been through, 180 00:14:50,399 --> 00:14:54,679 you're shameless, You're insane. This is no perspective. This is not 181 00:14:54,759 --> 00:15:00,799 how I wanted him to beat the the load management takes. But unfortunately it 182 00:15:00,879 --> 00:15:03,279 seems like that is how he's been And this is a great point by Miles 183 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,200 Johnson. I don't think we would be a lottery team without Kawhi, but 184 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,799 we might be clote But I don't know. I just know whatever they try 185 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:16,480 at this point is probably warranted because they've tried a lot to manage this knee 186 00:15:16,519 --> 00:15:20,960 issue. But somebody said earlier today, and I've heard a lot of this, 187 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,720 and this has been going on for years, two years, and it 188 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:33,799 just really bugged me. Earlier today they said, this just save him to 189 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:39,639 the playoffs. Hello, they're not making the playoffs if you don't play Kawhi 190 00:15:39,799 --> 00:15:43,039 some of the regular season guys, have you seen the Western Conference recently? 191 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,960 And then he got after me, say oh, that really instills confidence in 192 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,720 the fan base. It's like, oh, I'm sorry. Should I not 193 00:15:50,879 --> 00:15:56,279 be somewhat realistic? Should I be completely out to lunch? It's crazy. 194 00:15:56,879 --> 00:16:00,320 I have had people come after me on both sides the entire time. I've 195 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,200 been lucky enough to get to work with the Clippers, some saying I'm a 196 00:16:04,279 --> 00:16:08,960 mouthpiece for the organization and you can't trust anything I say. Others saying I'm 197 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,200 too negative? Which is it, guys? I guess I'm being objective. 198 00:16:14,399 --> 00:16:18,440 If everybody's getting on me for something, I can't do anything right for them. 199 00:16:18,879 --> 00:16:22,200 I just know this. If a number one option is missing for any 200 00:16:22,279 --> 00:16:25,480 of the top teams in the West, they're not making the playoffs. They 201 00:16:25,519 --> 00:16:27,279 can make the play in but they're not gonna be a top six seed. 202 00:16:27,639 --> 00:16:32,519 Is Denver a top six seed without Jokic first season? Can they just sit 203 00:16:32,679 --> 00:16:36,279 him and wait till the playoffs? No, I don't think you can do 204 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:37,759 it with ant Man. I don't think you can do it with Luka Dancic. 205 00:16:37,919 --> 00:16:40,960 I don't think you can do it with Kevin Durant. I don't think 206 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:42,039 you can do it with Steph Curry. I don't think you can do it 207 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,519 with Dear and Fox. I don't think you can do it and know you 208 00:16:45,679 --> 00:16:52,159 can't with job Morant. I don't think anybody who's missing their first option has 209 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,120 a chance right now with how competitive the Western Conference is, because check look 210 00:16:56,159 --> 00:17:02,480 at this, who's getting worse right now in the West. Who's significantly getting 211 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,039 worse? Is okay, see significantly getting worse? No? They just signed 212 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:12,400 Isaiah Hartenstein is Denver getting significantly worse depending on who their backup significantly Okay, 213 00:17:12,519 --> 00:17:19,559 yeah, no, not significantly. Minnesota stasis right at worst. Yeah, 214 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:25,039 you could make the argument obviously ant is gonna get much better. The Dallas 215 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:29,240 Mavericks, Okay, they lost Derreck Jones Jr. They brought in Klay Thompson. 216 00:17:29,279 --> 00:17:33,359 I wouldn't say there's significantly I'm not picking them to make the finals or 217 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,480 even the Western Conference finals, but I think we might have to wait and 218 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:41,480 see because Clay, I don't know. I still wouldn't say that's significantly worse 219 00:17:41,559 --> 00:17:45,119 because they still have Luca and Kyrie. They didn't lose either of those guys. 220 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:52,000 Phoenix, Are they significantly worse? No, I don't think right. 221 00:17:52,680 --> 00:18:03,000 The Lakers TVD Pelicans, No, just brought in Jontay Murray. Yeah, 222 00:18:03,279 --> 00:18:07,400 could have better injury luck with Zion. Sacramento just brought into Marto Rosen, 223 00:18:08,519 --> 00:18:15,240 they were the night seed. Golden State brought in Buddy Healed. Are any 224 00:18:15,279 --> 00:18:18,599 of these teams getting much worse? Because I know Houston's going to be better. 225 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,920 Likely, I know Memphis is gonna be better. San Antonio is gonna 226 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:27,720 be better. Utah, h we'll see there just aren't a lot of teams 227 00:18:30,079 --> 00:18:33,839 that are giving you a top six seed in the Western Conference. So yes, 228 00:18:34,519 --> 00:18:37,599 if you don't play Kawhi Leonard the entire season, just save him for 229 00:18:37,599 --> 00:18:41,359 the playoffs. I don't think you're making the playoffs. Maybe the play in 230 00:18:42,039 --> 00:18:45,759 Maybe, I think that would take a lot still because it's so damn competitive. 231 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:52,200 How many games from Kawhi do you think the Clippers need to be a 232 00:18:52,319 --> 00:18:59,519 play off team. I am open to listening to some crazy stuff at this 233 00:18:59,599 --> 00:19:03,119 point. No crazy like you can miss the entire regular season. I'm open 234 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,920 open to listening to Plame twice a week. See how we respond to that? 235 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,759 Play three times a week is at most? See response to that? 236 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,079 No back to backs. I am open to all these things at this point. 237 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,079 How can you not be? How can you not be? You are 238 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,920 picking things up, you are hurling them at the wall at this point, 239 00:19:22,279 --> 00:19:26,880 which I mean it's hard not Yeah, I think we might see something. 240 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:33,839 I will I deslately want go ahead. I want to see Kawhi Leonards still 241 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,160 at the peak of his powers. That's what I want to see. We 242 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,920 all want to see that. I want to see Kawhi healthy. Whatever it 243 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:44,839 takes to get him healthy is what they should do. I think we're going 244 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:53,240 to see some revolutionary resting from the Clippers UH training staff this year. Not 245 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:59,839 be valid, it would absolutely be valid. The man like, it's not. 246 00:20:00,039 --> 00:20:02,359 I don't want to hear Stephen A. Smith. I don't want to 247 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,400 hear any of these guys go after the Clippers when there's somebody that's dealt with 248 00:20:06,559 --> 00:20:08,680 so many injuries the last five years and they're trying to preserve him the best 249 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,160 they can. And it's I mean, it's like what you were saying, 250 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,400 like unfortunately, it's like, no one's gonna sit here and be like, 251 00:20:14,519 --> 00:20:21,160 I actually think he's fully healthy. That's just that he doesn't like playing basketball 252 00:20:21,319 --> 00:20:26,480 right really and hanging on the rim scared to drop down from it in Game 253 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:33,880 three. That image is your night terror. I just feel like the notion 254 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:38,000 that Kawhi doesn't love playing basketball when he gave it a go in that game 255 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:42,400 with how bad he looked. Here's the other thing with hey, we're talking 256 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:48,359 Kawhi, will Updyke Fellas, we're talking Kawhi, and then we're gonna talk 257 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,359 Levine and then we're gonna talk zoo fighting people. Adam, I've never seen 258 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,039 your hair. This down before you're You're in the mud right now, My 259 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:00,319 man, you're in the dirt, down and out. He is not doing 260 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,880 well. Welcome to all the chat. Will Updike is here. Thanks for 261 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,279 hanging out. We're just using slang. Thanks for watching. If you're watching 262 00:21:08,279 --> 00:21:11,960 this on YouTube, thanks for listening. Put this out on audio later. 263 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:17,079 Will How are you feeling about the Kawhi Leonard Uh saga? Adam, I 264 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:21,279 would say, is more down in the dumps. Adam is as this person 265 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,880 is putting it, just draw which is fair, yes, straw indeed, 266 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,359 Look, uh, it's not completely unexpected, right like I think I was. 267 00:21:32,599 --> 00:21:37,119 You know, I said that I approved of him playing in the Olympics, 268 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:42,480 especially like him playing high level competitive basketball. Look, anytime Kawhi Leonard 269 00:21:42,519 --> 00:21:45,599 is doing that, I think that's ultimately a good thing. You could talk 270 00:21:45,599 --> 00:21:48,680 about, Milege, You can talk about whatever you want. The only way 271 00:21:48,759 --> 00:21:52,039 to really know how that knee is going to respond is to play at the 272 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:56,920 highest level of competition, because that's his ultimate goal, right, is to 273 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,359 play at that level with the Clippers. And was the best argument, by 274 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:06,000 the way, Oh coming up with that was brilliant. I don't know how 275 00:22:06,079 --> 00:22:10,200 anyone could argue against wants to know how his knee responds now rather than waiting 276 00:22:10,319 --> 00:22:17,359 till gain one of the regular seasons. So I was initially also pretty distraught. 277 00:22:18,599 --> 00:22:25,079 It seems like this was just I don't know how how drastic it is, 278 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,920 you know, Like I I my initial thoughts were the worst, that 279 00:22:29,039 --> 00:22:36,599 he was physically unable to compete after you know, after just training. Now, 280 00:22:36,759 --> 00:22:40,319 from what it seems is that this was more of a mutual decision that 281 00:22:40,559 --> 00:22:44,160 was met with the organization, Uh, you know, with the big wigs 282 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,079 that it would be better to save it would be better to save him for 283 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,000 for the regular season. So I don't know, you know, with how 284 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,440 closely this organization plays things to the chest, does that mean that there isn't 285 00:22:56,559 --> 00:23:00,920 some sort of procedure on the horizon. It's really hard to tell, but 286 00:23:02,039 --> 00:23:07,720 I'm choosing to believe that, you know, that they saw what they needed 287 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:12,440 to see through training. I'm hoping that he feels well and this is just 288 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:18,079 out of an abundance of caution. Did you see the shamp Serani report saying 289 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,960 Kawhi Leonard has been dealing with chronic knee soreness, not being able to play 290 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,720 at full speed in Olympic competition. I'm told Champs that was the biggest factor. 291 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,640 The Clippers have also been concerned about further damage in that knee. That 292 00:23:30,759 --> 00:23:36,519 is a report from Shamps. Doesn't mean it's true, doesn't mean it's totally 293 00:23:36,599 --> 00:23:41,880 accurate. He's certainly just been wrong plenty. Yeah, I'm not nobody though 294 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,680 he's one of the big three. It's him, it's Woj. If it 295 00:23:45,839 --> 00:23:48,119 was Woj, I'd be more concerned. Probably. I agree with you, 296 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,079 and I do think that that is credible. At the same time, it's 297 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,799 just like the diametric opposite of the report that we saw the other day about 298 00:23:56,839 --> 00:24:00,240 how he looked in training. Uh so it got the ANSWER's got to lie 299 00:24:00,279 --> 00:24:04,640 somewhere in the middle, right like maybe you know, maybe there is some 300 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:10,960 stiffness, some soreness, but it's you know, I don't know, you 301 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:15,119 know, like if it's still going on at this point and you know he's 302 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,759 not able to play competitive basketball, I just don't see a world where there 303 00:24:18,839 --> 00:24:23,960 isn't a procedure on the horizon we are talking about that. Hey, that's 304 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,200 how that how is that remotely a possibility? But still, to go back 305 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,200 to my original point, I'd much rather that happen in July than October. 306 00:24:36,839 --> 00:24:41,200 My biggest concern is, are are we talking about the same soreness for three 307 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:45,880 months since March thirty first? Is that what we're talking about still? Because 308 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:52,640 that would seem very worrisome, right, the same surgically repaired knee. Is 309 00:24:52,720 --> 00:25:00,960 that not fair? I'm not trying to, uh at all be an alarmist. 310 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,640 I just what are we talking about? It's Kawhi and it's that me. 311 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,400 I think it's we wouldn't be doing our twue diligence if we didn't at 312 00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:11,079 least bring that up, Like, how do we not? How do you 313 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,799 avoid it? You avoid it by not getting hurt? No, I don't 314 00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:22,400 know. There's absolutely no way to avoid it. It's a weird I don't 315 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,640 know. I guess we just wait for the news dump, we wait for 316 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:33,960 the WOJ bomb and hope that it's a successful whatever. Right. Yeah. 317 00:25:34,599 --> 00:25:41,039 This is also a pretty quick turnaround from like just the statements the other day 318 00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:45,079 when Kaui was asked about like what it means for him to lead the Clippers 319 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,680 this season now with the departure of Paul George, and he said it was 320 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:56,079 basically the same, which I love. Yeah, someone's saying, yeah, 321 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,880 no more back to backs for Kauhi again, Yeah, do whatever. Okay, 322 00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:03,960 Adam was saying, only play him every two days. Will I was 323 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,680 saying, We're going to see some revolution. I said, I'm open to 324 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,920 any ideas including that. Yeah. I mean, like, if someone told 325 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,000 me, will just wait till the playoffs, it's like, you wait to 326 00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:15,440 the playoffs. You're not making the playoffs. He has to play some of 327 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,640 the regular seasons. Yeah, I don't see a situation where the Clippers, 328 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:26,599 uh, the Clippers without Kauai like would have to fight in claude a play 329 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,839 position. I would think that, Yeah, that's an unusual situation. Look, 330 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,559 the thing is, too, is like there's just no guarantee. Like 331 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,359 I do think, like they're not playing back to backs, that's an obvious 332 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,400 I think that that should just be implemented by basically every team for a star 333 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,759 for a star level player who plays, you know, thirty six plus minutes 334 00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:51,839 a night, that it's just ridiculous. There's no length in the effing schedule. 335 00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:56,880 You are running into baseball and nothing else. You've adjusted before for other 336 00:26:56,039 --> 00:26:59,799 reasons. I think you could do it. NBA if you really wanted to, 337 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,960 it would be nice, or just keep the same amount of time, 338 00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:07,839 but make it sixty two games, cut twenty games off. They won't do 339 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,480 that. I know that it will never be less games. There will never 340 00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:15,039 be less games. I don't maybe the quarters twenty five minutes low. I 341 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:21,559 don't fully understand though, why the season couldn't be a little longer, Like 342 00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:26,799 obviously you don't want it to start earlier because of competition with football. I 343 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,759 get that completely, But why why couldn't it go later into the summer. 344 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:36,559 There's just truly they've they've done it recently, just not a lot going on. 345 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,240 And that's no discredit to the like WNBNA, It's no, it's no 346 00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:45,160 discredit to the Stanley Cup finals. But like, the competition is much harsher 347 00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:47,799 in fall than it is in summer. I guess that's all I'm saying. 348 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,359 If you add a month, you can get rid of back to backs. 349 00:27:49,839 --> 00:27:56,839 I'm pretty sure that's it. And you're ending in July, Okay, what's 350 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,759 your competition in July? Is the Australian Open then? I don't know. 351 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:07,000 I guess that tells you all you need to know about the competition. Confeder 352 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,440 ain't playing the doll. I don't give a shit. All Right, coming 353 00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:17,839 up, we're gonna talk the Zach Lavine thing because everyone that's been the hot 354 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,559 we're doing haggle, no haggle on trading for Zach Levine. That's coming up 355 00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:23,960 after a very quick audio break, because you're gonna make this live two on 356 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:30,119 the audio and we'll be back in two seconds with Zach Lavine. Talk. 357 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:36,200 All right, we're back in. We're talking Zach Levine. After tucking Kawhi's 358 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:41,839 unfortunate exit from Team USA basketball. Let's talk this Lavine thing. Uh, 359 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,759 who who wants to start? Adam, you're all in on this movie. 360 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,079 Correct, Let's let's get your take first. I want to okay, you 361 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,119 take it, and then I want to point out something very funny and then 362 00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:00,440 Zach Lavine has been admittedly one of my favorite player for some time. I 363 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,200 think I mentioned on here. People don't realize this. He's got thirty eight 364 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,640 percent from three at UCLA in his one season. He's always been a good 365 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,799 shooter. People try to pigeonhole him because of the dunk contests. As just 366 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,200 a dunker. He has one of the best shots in the league. In 367 00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:19,960 the NBA. It is as smooth and as beautiful and is on point and 368 00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:27,039 reality is as you can get close to that. It's nice. Now does 369 00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:30,880 he have his own injury concerns? Of course he does. Is he still 370 00:29:32,079 --> 00:29:36,519 what twenty seven or twenty eight? Is he younger than Terrence man zach Lavine? 371 00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:41,160 He might be. He might be a little bit younger. He's twenty 372 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:47,640 nine, so he's a year old. His contract ends when he's thirty one. 373 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,960 His last year is I think forty eight million is player option. That's 374 00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:57,559 not ideal. Of course, if he bowls out in his first two years, 375 00:29:57,759 --> 00:30:00,880 he's opting out. You don't have to worry about that last year. 376 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,680 There are more free agents that will be available in that third year that you 377 00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:14,440 may be looking at that. But here's the kicker for me. The only 378 00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:22,200 way I'm entertaining it is if, at least in my opinion, they're still 379 00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:26,079 offering that first round pick that was rumored the Chicago Bulls to get off of 380 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,440 his contract. Sure, to me, that is pretty meaningful, not just 381 00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:34,039 for a team like the Clippers who don't have many, but if you get 382 00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:40,720 the Bulls first round pick, I'd very likely could be a lottery pick counterpoint 383 00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:45,480 because he had he's had two surgeries on his knee and he had foot surgery 384 00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:48,480 last year. As a Clippers fan, after what we just talked about, 385 00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:52,319 I'm aware of it all gives me about a twenty games last year. I 386 00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:59,119 get it twenty five, so that you're what I'm helping your case. I 387 00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:06,839 know. So the trade package because of eight I'm gonna say this and you're 388 00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:11,880 gonna hear this phrase a lot on this podcast, Apron stuff. The Clippers 389 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:18,599 would have to include uh Man or Zoo, So it would be like PJ 390 00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:25,079 norm Man or PJ Norm Zoo. It's not gonna be Zoo. It's not 391 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,680 gonna be Zoo because that would be who's protecting the paint at that point. 392 00:31:27,759 --> 00:31:34,599 So it's probably in this hypothetical PJ Norm and Terrence for like zach Lavine in 393 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:40,319 the first round pick. To me, if that is the what we're looking 394 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:45,519 at, I get worried because we're losing our best scoring option off the bench 395 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,839 and it just kind of throw it throws things a little into chaos, I 396 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,920 think, benchwise, and I'm worried how they'd be able to recover from that. 397 00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:59,119 And you're kind of asking two guys who have injuries to play a lot 398 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,559 because the depth is going to be there. It's not there now. But 399 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:07,119 that's in Zach Levine's defense. I do want to say he has played sixty 400 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,880 or more games in four out of the last six seasons. Yeah, but 401 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,640 last year he played twenty five, so that's okay, that's a year. 402 00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:20,000 And very recently the Bulls there appeared to be a little bit of a riff 403 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,000 that they thought he didn't need to get the surgery. He could have rehabbed 404 00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:27,480 through it and continued to play the rest of the season, and he instead 405 00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:30,279 elected to get the surgery, which ended his season. I'm not going to 406 00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:37,200 knock a guy forgetting this either play through it. I'm like, maybe just 407 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,359 get search Yeah, and sick. Most employees are going to say, how 408 00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:45,599 sick we're going off of twenty five games, which sounds like it's a much 409 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,960 more severe injury, when really it was just, okay, it's a foot 410 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,920 injury. He's out for the season. When there was this other possibility maybe 411 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,640 he could have played through it so therefore it wasn't as severe. But what 412 00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:04,240 about the context of were PJ obviously no one here watching, or unless he's 413 00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:07,160 watching is going to be mad about losing PJ. Tucker in the trade, 414 00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:15,119 but you're losing like Norm. I'm sure losing Norm and Terrence together feels scary 415 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:20,000 to me. My point would be like, I don't. I don't love 416 00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:24,200 that either. I'm banking on the first round pick. I'm banking on zach 417 00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:31,960 Lavine being healthier. The only reason he's available someone this talented is because of 418 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:38,279 health concerns. And the Chicago Bulls are have been imploding for years and couldn't 419 00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:43,680 find any traction with that group to really build anything around. And some people 420 00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:46,000 view zach Lavine as empty numbers. I don't see it that way. Oh, 421 00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:47,680 I don't think he's. Yeah, that's the other part. I don't 422 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,160 want to I don't think he's empty numbers. He's a phenomenal shooter. I'll 423 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,279 tell you I don't want it to make that because I do. He's a 424 00:33:54,440 --> 00:34:00,920 Seattle guy. Fair. I look at what we're dealing with right now with 425 00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:06,200 Kawhi and think about how do you supplement some of this scoring if he is 426 00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:08,119 going to be missing more games. Now, if you say, well, 427 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:13,079 Zach Vane's gonna be missing games too, then how does that help you I 428 00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:17,280 am assuming based upon his overall track record the last five years, the type 429 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:23,280 of surgery it was, he won't be missing that many games, and the 430 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:28,519 first round pick, and it's like, look, if you don't think this 431 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,239 error is going anywhere anyways, Oh there is over the PG left and you 432 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,679 can get a first round pick. I don't know, I and still be 433 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,960 really competitive, but I'm not with I gotta be honest with you. I 434 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,159 think I'm not with it. I don't think at forty eight million dollars a 435 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,920 year or whatever I'm in on the Livin move, that to me feels like 436 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:53,719 too high of a price to pay, both given the rotation players that were 437 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:59,880 giving up and like a first round pick, like yes, it's it's solid, 438 00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:05,360 but like for three years at near max money, Like I just I 439 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,760 got to guess, I don't see it. I don't want the Clippers to 440 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:13,480 take a big swing or take on another big salary. Frank, yeah, 441 00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:17,639 Levine comes were like, we're not a Levine away from a contender, Like, 442 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,000 I just I don't see it. The first round pick is big, 443 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,639 but let me think it is huge. I'm not I is it worth a 444 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,119 well if you're still under the cap anyways, which they will be. What 445 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:37,639 you're losing are those players. But if let's say that the contract negotiation with 446 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:43,000 Terrence Man being extension eligible isn't going great and they don't think they're able to 447 00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:49,320 retain him for a price that works for the Clippers cap situation, because that's 448 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,960 really the only way I think they would entertain giving up Terrence Man if things 449 00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:58,079 aren't going well in that area. That that I mean, if yeah, 450 00:35:58,119 --> 00:36:04,239 if Terrence I've been on the like four for ninety four for one hundred for 451 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,760 Zoo Train, and I don't I haven't really thought about the Terrence extension, 452 00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:15,000 but I wonder what he The Clippers haven't been in this position in a minute, 453 00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:17,599 right, being able to extend a guy who's been with the team for 454 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,119 this long, who was drafted by the he's the longest precisely why they should 455 00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:27,519 do it. No, No, I agree, But then it's interesting franchise 456 00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:30,159 if you can't keep your homegrown talent, like especially for something like this. 457 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,360 I don't know that I want to. I'm interested to see how this goes 458 00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:39,519 for them, because I don't everyone's talking about the two for sixty offer to 459 00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:44,559 Paul George. I think that was just the first offer. I don't think 460 00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:51,480 the Clippers sincerely assumed for sixty half in the face by it. Can we 461 00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:57,679 kind of debuff this a little bit fair? And also can we point this 462 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,480 out? Some are saying, well, if he opts into the last year 463 00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:05,559 and then takes that deal, it's one hundred and seven million, not sixty 464 00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:08,280 million. You're starting at one hundred and seven million, is what you're really 465 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:13,840 offering him? Is that a slap in the face to start off a negotiation 466 00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:16,880 talks at one hundred and seven million after he had only played I think eighty 467 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,480 seven games combined the last two season, wasn't available the last play in game 468 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,960 for them against the Pelicans, wasn't available in the playoffs against the Phoenix Suns. 469 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,559 I don't think that's that crazy. His value at the time context was 470 00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:34,280 was not that high going into this season. Paul George, I think people 471 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,920 forget that he upped his value by having one of his most efficient seasons and 472 00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:45,559 playing over seventy games with the Clippers. Uh, excellent point. I think 473 00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:47,880 high. I'm Spencer has a good point saying man has to step up offensively 474 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,559 this season. Part of that's opportunity now that Paul George is gone. This 475 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,840 is his chance. They don't have to get the extension done before the season 476 00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:01,880 starts. I believe it's just it's eligible. So I like this take. 477 00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:05,960 He's gonna have more opportunity. And we've looked at his per thirty six. 478 00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:07,639 Well, you and I did this on Lockdown Clippers a few times, and 479 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,159 I think we did this on Clips and Dip. You look at us per 480 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:15,960 thirty six and it's it's you know, it's the same four columns in rows. 481 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:22,000 Basically do all you gotta do is playing thirty six minutes thirty six, 482 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,480 which I mean, well, and they are like forty five games over five 483 00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:28,519 hundred when he starts the last two years, we're not far away from him 484 00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:30,119 play like who there's not It's not like we have a lot of depth right 485 00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:35,880 now. So I like this take from I'm also like, I'm not saying 486 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,599 I'm in the camp that some people are that you know, Terrence Man is 487 00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:45,639 like this completely untouchable asset. I just think, like, with where you're 488 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:52,519 at right now, I don't really get giving up the asset for an older, 489 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,639 more injury prone, four times more expensive player. I guess it's just 490 00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:00,840 where I'm at personally, at least let me throw this in there. Come 491 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:07,119 on, you're talking about losing that depth. How else are you going to 492 00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:09,440 open up opportunities for the young guys? Is that ever gonna happen? Well, 493 00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:13,400 Terrence, well, Terrence and Doo. I think I have absolutely earned 494 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,719 their spots in the starting lineup. What I'm saying, you're talking about Norman 495 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,480 Powell coming on eventually? No? No, no, norm Yeah, But 496 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:28,800 I mean who's who if you did trade Terrence Man and Norman Powell, Kobe 497 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,079 Brown's gonna have to play. Uh, Jordan Miller is gonna have guys. 498 00:39:31,159 --> 00:39:34,519 Those guys are going to be twenty five at the end of this season. 499 00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:37,280 Jordan Miller and Kobe Brown twenty five at the end of the season. Like, 500 00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:38,760 are we ever going to see these guys? If you're saying no, 501 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:44,679 they're not very good? No, well, how can we know from management? 502 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:49,039 I think Kobe Brown? So this is Bones, I mean the Bones 503 00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:51,639 think, well, hey, Bones has the path Now it's not. I 504 00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:55,119 mean, Chris Dunn and him are going to be competing for that second. 505 00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:00,159 I just we're talking recently, there's been a theme here that you have to 506 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:05,840 open up opportunities for young guys. One of the ways to do that is 507 00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:12,960 to trade three guys for one. There's not a man ideal slam dunk trade. 508 00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:19,360 We already don't have that much death I we'd be real bad are at 509 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,480 right now? I just what do you care? If you're saying they don't 510 00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:24,800 have a chance, Why shouldn't they be building for the future and giving young 511 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:31,119 guys opportunities. How does trading for a bigger star achieve that? Because you're 512 00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:35,360 still trading at least two guys that are soaking up a lot of minutes with 513 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,400 Terrence Man and Norman Powell for one guy. Man isn't old enough for me 514 00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:44,679 to because if they want the max slot in twenty twenty six, I think 515 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:49,239 keeping Man helps that scenario. Okay, you keep Man in zoo. You 516 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:54,079 gotta you got a two guard and you have a center locked up. I 517 00:40:54,239 --> 00:41:00,800 like the first round pick idea though, that's what has met in this That's 518 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,559 what it always was. As much as I like Zach Levine, it's the 519 00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:07,639 first round pick from a team like Chicago. If that's true, it was 520 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:16,440 a report. How come they haven't found a deal for Lavine yet? He 521 00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:20,119 does make a lot of money, not a lot of teams that were able 522 00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:25,039 to and that are under the cap like the Clippers, are I just I 523 00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:29,760 gotta be honest. I like the Levin thing. I see, I see 524 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,440 the pros to it. I do think it's interesting, and I am all 525 00:41:31,559 --> 00:41:37,159 in on at least if we can't win, bringing in electrifying players. But 526 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:43,840 at the same time, I don't know that Zach Lavine has proven that he 527 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,840 contributes to winning basketball. And I just again not to bring up the apron 528 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,440 again. I don't want to beliegue here this point to death, but in 529 00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:57,440 with essentially a hard cap, how many teams are really willing to give up 530 00:41:57,519 --> 00:42:02,760 forty eight million dollars a year to a who doesn't historically has not contributed to 531 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:07,719 winning. So this is I don't think he's been in a good enough situations 532 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,960 to know for sure, but I don't think. I don't think it's unfair 533 00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:15,599 what you're saying. I read a crazy stat about will and I we saw 534 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:21,039 Kinds of Kindness, wonderful movie. But I read a stat that I is 535 00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:23,719 burned into my brain. Zach Levine has had like one hundred and four teammates 536 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:29,239 in the NBA since he's been in the league. Seventy four of them are 537 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:34,159 out of the league. He's had some bad that's crazy. He's been around 538 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,639 some shitty teams. I don't I'm not. I'm not on team. Let's 539 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:44,119 trade that for Levine, But that is crazy. He has been in bad 540 00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:46,920 situations. He's not exactly going to an elite one here. It's a little 541 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:53,119 discombobulated. But the management is good, obviously better than the Bulls. This 542 00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:59,920 is a great point by Junction too. But I don't know, and there 543 00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:04,599 some time, but I don't think I think what to expect from the Clippers. 544 00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:07,760 I'm not saying this is right. I think from what that that nugget 545 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,280 we heard of wanting the spot for the twenty twenty six Max. If you 546 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,519 look at the it's kind of a weird list of people who are available. 547 00:43:16,119 --> 00:43:20,960 I just don't think they're gonna do that move. I think they want to 548 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,760 be a playing team. I mean, I'm not making the argument they're going 549 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:28,119 to do it. No, I wasn't either. I just wanted to like 550 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,199 just through Yeah, yeah, I don't even think it's an easy decision. 551 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:37,519 Would I lean towards doing it if the first doesn't have many restrictions on it. 552 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:43,400 Probably, yeah, because it's Chicago and the Clippers don't have any I 553 00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:45,400 at least would really have to mould it over as much as you know, 554 00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:50,039 I love Terrence Man absolutely, Yeah, for sure. And again the extension 555 00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:55,119 thing, I don't know what can we offer Terrence. Is there anyone who's 556 00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:59,320 watching who can put in the chat how much we can offer Terrence? I 557 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:04,800 don't have the can. That's fine. You want to google it? Yeah, 558 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:10,480 why don't you goggle it? Yeah? Uh, if you're listening to 559 00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:15,840 the audio of this, you just missed Adam doing a classic, uh physical 560 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,599 comedy bit. We're gonna come back in a quick break after these audio ads, 561 00:44:19,639 --> 00:44:22,480 but we're not going anywhere on the video. We're talking zoo fighting people 562 00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:30,039 in Greece and then whatever other random stuff coming up right after this. Welcome 563 00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:35,000 back in. It's clips and dip a live version of it on YouTube currently 564 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:42,239 at Clippers podcast on YouTube, at clippers pod on x is where you find 565 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,480 us. Am I righting that? Guys? I haven't said a long time? 566 00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:46,800 Is that? Is that accurate? Clippers podcast on YouTube, clipperspod on 567 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,440 X. I think he nailed it. Let's go. I'm out a Mashen. 568 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,760 We got Chuck Mackler, we have Will Updyke, and we have a 569 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:59,559 lot of kind of a Motley crew or Popo rie of Clippers news this week. 570 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:05,880 Just weird stuff going on time. That's the first time that that word 571 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:13,199 has been said on this podcast. A Nerd rainbow rope of the first Nerds. 572 00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,119 Yeah. Uh so each of Zubos got into a fight and we saw 573 00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:21,480 the very end of it on TMZ. Yeah, him and Sarich. We're 574 00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:25,639 having to throw hands at a club in Greece and the men fighting these two 575 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:31,000 NBA players, We're not the size of people you would think would fight NBA 576 00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:36,679 players. That's what the alcohol comes in. Yes, and all the smoking, 577 00:45:36,679 --> 00:45:40,719 a lot of smoking indoors over there. What could have possibly happened for 578 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,480 these people who have tried to fight Darius Sich. I'm on their side, 579 00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:51,559 fully, I'm on Zoo side, and any fight is if you've ever been 580 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,840 around Zoo. He's not like I got something that might change your tongue. 581 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,519 Oh no. A bunch of people approached you and they said, grow your 582 00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:05,360 fucking hand your hair out. No, He's like, I'll cut it right 583 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,599 now. He's got to grow the hair out if you're new to the stream. 584 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,760 We have a theory. I don't know if Adam's fully on board this, 585 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,760 but Will and I had a theory out locked on clips that if Zubots 586 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:21,559 grew his hair out or got an extensions or got a wig and had it 587 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,519 like shoulder length, he would get more foul calls. He snaps his head 588 00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:30,199 back so much and he doesn't get calls. You, I think he's getting 589 00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:35,480 more calls with the long hair. Hey guys, someone's saying, Kawhi will 590 00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:38,239 have to play the four again next season if we get Levine. He's playing 591 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,760 the four right now? Yeah, who's playing the four? Okay? So 592 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,760 Hi? I think with Toomb's starting, you think Derek Jones Junior is starting 593 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,840 at the four. It's Kawhi Spencer saying man is eligible for roughly twenty two 594 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,840 million dollar extension. No idea if that's true, but we're using that as 595 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:58,039 a reference point. I think i'd give Zoo and Terrence both like four for 596 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,519 ninety Wait was long on hair, Zoo getting oh long hair, Zoo putting 597 00:47:02,599 --> 00:47:07,320 up uh twenty six and thirteen. He's getting the mat whatever. I mean, 598 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:13,400 however much money we can give long hair Zoo did someone heckel Zoo at 599 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,239 the place, saying, like, I know the Clippers lost Paul George, 600 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:21,000 but you're still not getting thirty minutes a night this year. I he better 601 00:47:21,079 --> 00:47:24,320 get thirty minutes a night. What I'm saying he has to our backup centers. 602 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:30,840 He got less last year than the year before. If Zoo doesn't get 603 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:37,280 thirty bitts a night, yeah, we're gonna be upset. Vencatta wants zach 604 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,639 Lavine, so Adam and Vancotta on the same side. There, Uh, 605 00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:45,039 brandon Ingram. Don't think we can get both. I think Walker Kessler's staying 606 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:50,519 and Jeremy Grant, I don't know. I don't think we Portland doesn't want 607 00:47:50,559 --> 00:47:53,760 anything that we have. Doesn't he make thirty five million? I'm pretty sure 608 00:47:53,800 --> 00:48:00,960 he does. I don't. He got five years. One's sixty just last 609 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:05,000 season. So he's making so this year's twenty nine, and then thirty two, 610 00:48:05,079 --> 00:48:07,599 then thirty four, and he has a player option for thirty six and 611 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:15,039 the summer of twenty twenty eight. He's making a lot, and they want 612 00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:21,079 picks. They're still far away. Yeah, Will, Is there any NBA 613 00:48:21,159 --> 00:48:28,920 player you would challenge to a fight if you were at a nightclub. Chris 614 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:35,840 Paul's short ass. I think Chris Paul's being here isn't either. How tall? 615 00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:38,639 How's he going to reach me? He's probably as tall as you. 616 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:44,760 Well, he's a short next to he's six games, Yeah, that's the 617 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:50,920 NBA measurements. That's fair. He's five to three. Yeah. And Montrez 618 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,639 Harrall was six ten? What's he? And Daniel too? Ros shoes? 619 00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:00,360 Did you guys? Uh? Did you guys read the Tres player's tribune piece. 620 00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:04,159 I saw some of the highlights with the low lights with him talking about 621 00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:06,639 Paul George. I thought he was fulling in the right with Paul George. 622 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,000 I was completely on Tress's side. Call him out. That's what we're trying 623 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,199 to be. A championship team. Oh, if that's what happened, I 624 00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:19,719 agree. I think a lot of people are also speculating that Tres was the 625 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,599 one given secrets in that athletic report that came out right after that season. 626 00:49:24,039 --> 00:49:27,440 I don't know, Well, maybe Paul George was. They said it was 627 00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:30,199 clutch, it was a clutch hit job on Paul George. I don't know 628 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:35,480 if that was. I don't know. I love tres bring him back, 629 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:40,639 bring him back for the backup five said, he's still having trouble. You 630 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:45,519 don't correct me if I'm wrong. I haven't heard a lot of players on 631 00:49:45,639 --> 00:49:49,840 their podcast or in other spaces say that, you know, Paul George is 632 00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:54,719 like a teammate that you love to play for or play with. Ask Reggie, 633 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,760 Yeah, ask Patrick Patterson, Ask all his bad friends who came over 634 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:05,239 to the Reggie was good. Oh yeah, we didn't talk about this too 635 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:10,000 much. Scott Bossy, you should go by Scotty Bossy. Uh Will? 636 00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:17,119 What did you think of the podcast? Podcast stuff? Didn't listen? Why 637 00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:22,679 why would I listen? He's not even on our team. I gotta listen 638 00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:28,000 to Draymond Green podcast too. I like every player's podcast. You didn't listen 639 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,320 when he was on the team. Well, yeah, it was a bad 640 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,599 podcast. I don't know. It just felt like he was just it's just 641 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,840 it's I don't know. I just saw the highlights, like I'm assuming the 642 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:43,599 majority of people did as well, Like I you know, I get it, 643 00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,159 Like there's just no revelations, like I don't know, I've never watched 644 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,800 I've never watched her scene, like heard something from the podcast the episode and 645 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,320 been like, Wow, what a revelation. There was just a oh there 646 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,079 was we had a Kawhi, we have a quasi Kauai update. I well, 647 00:50:58,159 --> 00:51:02,079 let's get it. Let's get it. Uh from home at natroyus Ohm 648 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:08,320 on Twitter asked Grant Hill if Kawhi Leonard's inflammation flared up or if he had 649 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:13,639 a setback. He didn't want to get into specifics other than saying USA Basketball 650 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,239 just felt we had to pivot and everyone gave it a try. Hill indicates 651 00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:23,679 USA felt decision had to be made and helps Kawhi and Clippers guess feeling better 652 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:30,280 or worse? Worse is my immediate reaction. Yeah, I think if it 653 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,880 was all good, he would have been like, no, it's fine. 654 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:37,280 He just you know, Clippers wont playing for them. I don't know, 655 00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:42,920 I don't know. I don't want to speculate. It's just I don't want 656 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:47,079 to speculate it. But I do want to jump off a bridge. The 657 00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:54,280 one thing that came out one sunglasses on feed Up Cold Drinks. Derek Jones 658 00:51:54,360 --> 00:52:00,280 Junior, James Harden lobs we are feeling good, folks, Let's with the 659 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:07,239 nine seed deflect from that pain with Paul George's podcast and talking about how he 660 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:14,480 said he was offered two for sixty. He didn't like that. If that 661 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,440 was the case, nobody can confirm something like that, but uh, well 662 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:22,639 someone could, but nobody's going to. Uh. Then he was eventually offered 663 00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:27,280 the one fifty, and he said something to the effect of, well, 664 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,480 now we're in the ballpark, when he had already said, just give me 665 00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:35,679 what Kawhi got. You guys value us the same, right, But then 666 00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,800 it sounded like when they did give him what Kawhi got, he didn't want 667 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:45,360 to do it without a no trade clause, which Kawhi did not get, 668 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,199 which is a poisoned pill in that like in the NBA, no, like 669 00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,719 nobody gets those anymore, and anytime a player does, it's pretty widely regarded 670 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:57,320 as a bad deal. And it's by default you get one if you're traded 671 00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,679 like whatever. But like, no, he's used. I know, I 672 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:07,119 just like don't. I don't care. It's Lebron and Bradley Beal that have 673 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:12,440 no trade clauses. That's it. That is it. I can understand after 674 00:53:12,519 --> 00:53:17,079 what happened with Blake asking for it, but I can also understand the Clippers 675 00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:22,440 not giving it because I think about these things. I think the Blake situation, 676 00:53:22,199 --> 00:53:27,440 It's like they didn't go into that contract negotiation and signing him saying, 677 00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:31,199 oh, we're gonna trade him in six months. They saw how things materialized, 678 00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:37,239 they saw him deteriorating with his health, and they knew they had to 679 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,880 get out of this sooner than later. So I when Steve Balmer tells Paul 680 00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,760 George he wants him to be a Clipper for life, It's like, well, 681 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,880 I do think he meant that, but if the circumstances start to change, 682 00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:52,559 you have to be flexible and change with them, just like Paul George 683 00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:59,800 and want the championship, So you need a tradeable contract. That's what happened. 684 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,679 I like this quote from Starman Hove. Don't even try to find logic 685 00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:08,559 in a PG quote. If he was hurt about the two for sixty, 686 00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:15,840 if that was real and therefore he wanted more than Kawhi and was bitter because 687 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:20,000 of that, I still don't love it. Like, first of all, 688 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,119 weren't all the reports as we were talking about this for months, didn't we 689 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:29,000 all assume that the three for one fifty was there during the season as well? 690 00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:31,719 We did assume that, Yes, well, I mean I believe that 691 00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,800 he made I believe that they got there, and it was just the like 692 00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,119 the NTC thing I think is, I just think it's an insane ask. 693 00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:43,800 I understand it from the player's perspective, obviously, why would you take less 694 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,760 money if you can't control your destination? I mean I understand it from his 695 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:52,360 perspective one hundred percent. But from from the perspective of the Clippers, like, 696 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,679 it just doesn't it doesn't make sense in it and it just wasn't warranted 697 00:54:57,119 --> 00:55:00,480 it, you know, it wasn't warranted Despite him having a really efficient season, 698 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,519 he again missed a large swath of the season. He again like he 699 00:55:04,639 --> 00:55:07,000 again did not look the same when he came back from that injury. Like 700 00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:15,840 well, remember we speculated when he was really struggling in January and February for 701 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,639 two straight months he averaged in her twenty points per game. We thought he's 702 00:55:20,679 --> 00:55:23,920 either hurt or the contract negotiation stuff maybe is getting to him, or a 703 00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:30,840 big baby. And he did say on the podcast that, yeah, it 704 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:35,559 affected his play. There was an emotional side to it. Now regarding that 705 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,400 text about Kawhi being the number one option, yeah, the first thing I 706 00:55:39,519 --> 00:55:44,039 thought, And I tweeted this out right afterwards with the clip of him saying, 707 00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:45,719 if you value us the same, I said, the problem is you 708 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:50,880 didn't value yourself the same. You didn't. It's one thing to be the 709 00:55:51,039 --> 00:55:53,920 one A or one B, the one B I guess to Kawhi's one A. 710 00:55:54,519 --> 00:56:00,239 It's another to kind of out of nowhere, unprompted, just make the 711 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,920 point that, oh, I'm the number two, just so you guys know, 712 00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,480 I'm the number two. Was anyone asking if you were the number two? 713 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,159 I don't, I don't get it. We got another Kawhi tweet update 714 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:13,599 that this will be the last one. La Murray ran into Kawai. He's 715 00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:16,320 in good spirits, found out yesterday that his USA run would be cut short, 716 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,280 but still planning on getting some work in before he leaves to get ready 717 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,400 for fall. Also, he says he's never cutting his hair. Lo o 718 00:56:22,639 --> 00:56:30,920 L. I'm back on the board clippers eighty two and oh see you at 719 00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:43,840 the chip end of stream. No, does that you got Put the word 720 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:50,679 out. Put the word out everybody. That's funny. Dallas Rutherford also kind 721 00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:55,159 of apologized in his way, I don't give a ship if if you're never 722 00:56:55,199 --> 00:57:06,800 heard of him social media guru Dr Bro the Dallas Uh Yeah, I don't 723 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:15,440 care. I I just look. I think Paul George is a really nice 724 00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:20,000 guy. A good guy means well. I will be rooting for Paul George 725 00:57:20,119 --> 00:57:24,559 moving forward unless he's playing the Clippers, will you? But I completely understand 726 00:57:24,719 --> 00:57:29,199 from both sides. Nobody's a victim here. They couldn't strike a deal, 727 00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:32,719 they couldn't find common ground. That's okay. It doesn't mean anybody won the 728 00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:37,880 negotiation or loss the negotiation. They could both win the negotiation. They could 729 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:42,039 both lose the negotiation. I think they both won in this scenario. I 730 00:57:42,199 --> 00:57:45,880 agree to be honest with you, like I, I think they both won. 731 00:57:46,159 --> 00:57:51,719 There's just the max. The max wasn't gonna happen. It doesn't make 732 00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,320 sense to extend Paul George with that amount of money past Kawai's timeline. It 733 00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:59,320 doesn't make sense for them to give him a no trade clause just in case 734 00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,039 things did go sour, whether you intended to keep him at three for fifty 735 00:58:02,159 --> 00:58:07,559 or not. And after five seasons, I just feel like that's enough of 736 00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:10,320 a sample size. Like look man, even with a young team like let's 737 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:16,199 say look at Oklahoma City right now, even hoping that they have four more 738 00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:21,760 years in this run, I still think is you know, that's about the 739 00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,519 max, Like, that's really about all you can hope for. It's like 740 00:58:23,719 --> 00:58:29,039 five years of a championship window. That's long as hell in this league. 741 00:58:29,639 --> 00:58:32,880 And it just wasn't gonna happen. And it wasn't gonna happen this year with 742 00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:38,480 you know, with PG and certainly not without him. But I think that 743 00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:44,840 they both won this negotiation. Do you guys feel any better or worse about 744 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:51,719 them not signing Paul George or resigning him based upon what we heard today regarding 745 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,360 Kawhi? Because if anything, I'm like, well, if Kawhi is not 746 00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,599 going to be available or still dealing with this, what does it matter If 747 00:58:58,599 --> 00:59:00,320 they have Paul George? They can't win it. I mean that was my 748 00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:04,880 thing. We know, we I don't want to go I look, I've 749 00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,239 seen a lot of the movies. I've seen a lot of movies multiple times. 750 00:59:08,519 --> 00:59:13,599 I do not want to go to that movie again, you know what 751 00:59:13,719 --> 00:59:16,719 I mean. I've heard this phrase multiple It's not Joe Dirt, right, 752 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:22,159 It's not Ocean's eleven it's not Remember the Titans. I don't want to see 753 00:59:22,199 --> 00:59:23,960 that movie again. I don't want to see Paul George be like, Wow, 754 00:59:24,159 --> 00:59:27,760 this is great and we can't trade him, and we just suck ass, 755 00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,400 and then we have to pay more attention to his podcast. No, 756 00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:35,519 he's also a loser, Like, I'm really glad that he's not on the 757 00:59:35,599 --> 00:59:38,280 team for that fact, he is a loser. It was really hard to 758 00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:43,280 defend him so much. Man, we fought in the trenches of the Paul 759 00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:50,920 George Army, and I am so glad to be relieved of duty. I 760 00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:57,320 think, yeah, it was hard. Light No is that his mixed messaging 761 00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:02,119 And there was a new one on the pod right after the season or during 762 01:00:02,199 --> 01:00:06,440 the year, when they got James Harden. He said, this is great. 763 01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,079 I can do more of the dirty work stuff, some of the little 764 01:00:09,159 --> 01:00:12,920 stuff, the role player stuff, to make up for the loss of Batoum 765 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,760 and Roco. I can show off my defensive acumen. And then when the 766 01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:21,159 season was over he started talking about how you know, we lost Batoom and 767 01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:22,719 Roco and all of a sudden, Kawhi and I have to do the dirty 768 01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:29,599 work. It's just like my guy. It's recorded it's on tape. People 769 01:00:29,679 --> 01:00:32,400 are gonna use that against you. And he dressed up a wall though he 770 01:00:32,519 --> 01:00:37,320 doesn't know what's going on. He's he's right here, He's not out here. 771 01:00:38,519 --> 01:00:42,400 He's an A. There's there's a to b people, and there's a 772 01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:46,800 B C to d people, A to beer and and to to address the 773 01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:51,519 thing too. Because people are wonderful basketball people are saying, did we choose 774 01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:53,760 to build the wrong around the wrong guy? And I have to be honest 775 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:58,079 with you. If it came down to letting Paul George walk or even letting 776 01:00:58,199 --> 01:01:01,440 injured Kawhi walk, I would have rather kept Kawhi. Like I get that 777 01:01:01,639 --> 01:01:05,480 it's a very slim chance that he's going to play in a postseason. Again, 778 01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:08,039 well, George could be hurt too. I'll still like our odds a 779 01:01:08,119 --> 01:01:14,400 little bit better in the theoretical healthy postseason with Kawhi rather than George. And 780 01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,320 guess what. When Kawhi plays, he plays like a top five player. 781 01:01:17,639 --> 01:01:22,079 When Paul George plays, he may be a top ten player. He may 782 01:01:22,119 --> 01:01:24,800 be a top forty player. I don't know what you're getting that night he 783 01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:29,960 does when he's on the court, Kawhi Leonard takes on the responsibility of being 784 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,440 the leader in the number one option always and for this quote right here, 785 01:01:32,599 --> 01:01:36,239 and we're probably gonna end on this, and then a positive thing for Adam. 786 01:01:36,519 --> 01:01:42,440 Supposedly he has a special speech, Edwards saying I don't trust GAUI saying 787 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,199 healthy anymore insanity. No one's trusting it. We're just here, man, 788 01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:52,519 no one is believing Edward. What's the option? I want him to be 789 01:01:52,639 --> 01:01:55,639 healthy. I don't think he's going to be. I'm saying at this point, 790 01:01:55,719 --> 01:02:00,960 I'm more inclined to believe that Kawhi will not play another postseason with the 791 01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:06,440 Clippers. Then he will win a first round series with the Clippers. But 792 01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:08,199 hey man, this is where we're at. We're gonna make the best of 793 01:02:08,239 --> 01:02:12,320 it. Let's have some fun, guys, Let's have some fun. Kick 794 01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,920 your feet up. Adam might be on have fun island now. I think 795 01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:20,960 he might be. It depends on how you define it. Fun is having 796 01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,199 some building blocks and no real expectations and a defensive team with some guys who 797 01:02:24,239 --> 01:02:30,639 can jump out of the gym. I mean, I don't hate it. 798 01:02:30,039 --> 01:02:37,559 I guess my point of positivity doesn't quite fly in the face of that. 799 01:02:37,039 --> 01:02:42,440 But if you guys listen to this show. You know, typically Chuck will 800 01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,559 throw it to me at the very end, and I'll pull something out of 801 01:02:44,599 --> 01:02:51,920 my ass that's positive after maybe some real negative topics and difficult topics, because 802 01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:57,079 anything is topical. We will get into here on clips and Dip no matter 803 01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,320 how tough it is, sometimes, no matter what mood were in, I 804 01:03:00,599 --> 01:03:06,679 just if you guys will allow me to ran for a second. I just 805 01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:13,840 have real concerns and don't want this two to one three experience to make Clipper 806 01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:19,360 Nations shy away and be afraid to fail or something. Because I've been hearing 807 01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:24,119 this for two years now from people that they liked it more when they were 808 01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:29,280 just the little engine that could team, the good job, good effort team, 809 01:03:29,519 --> 01:03:32,559 a lovable loser type of team, the twenty eighteen twenty nineteen team that 810 01:03:32,719 --> 01:03:37,280 took Golden State to six games. I don't want you to be in that 811 01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:43,239 safe space of not having to worry about underachieving. Like if anything, I 812 01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,599 want the disappointment to make you hungrier. This two and three era to make 813 01:03:46,639 --> 01:03:51,079 you feel like you were close, to make you feel like you were robbed 814 01:03:51,159 --> 01:03:53,159 and you had something taken from you. Because of bad luck and injuries, 815 01:03:53,719 --> 01:03:59,760 and if anything, I'm hoping, I'm hoping this will motivate you to want 816 01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,639 the Slippers to win even more. It doesn't mean there are gonna be some 817 01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:06,320 you know, lean years, there will be some that's part of the journey 818 01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:14,679 or next season. Look, sometimes the forest gets overgrown, a natural fire 819 01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:20,480 restores order. These are all part of the Circle Sports team. And I 820 01:04:20,639 --> 01:04:27,000 also agree with Giannis when he got into it with that reporter and said there's 821 01:04:27,039 --> 01:04:30,480 steps along the way, and every season you didn't win isn't necessarily a failure 822 01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:34,960 when those lessons could very well set you on that path to being a championship 823 01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:40,239 team down the line. But you got to accept heartbreak. And I know 824 01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,360 you've been through a lot of eclipernation, the ridicule, the doubters, the 825 01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:47,239 detractors, the naysayers, the trolls, all of it. But you have 826 01:04:47,519 --> 01:04:50,400 to deal with that if you want the glory of getting to the top of 827 01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,280 the mountain at some point and the respect that comes with it. If it's 828 01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:57,159 not a bubble bring uh. No, No one said. No one said 829 01:04:57,159 --> 01:05:00,199 it was gonna be easy. If it would, it wouldn't taste so sweet. 830 01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,440 I mean think about it. If it was harder for Kevin Durant, 831 01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:10,079 maybe he wouldn't be arguing and trying to justify his legacy on Twitter all the 832 01:05:10,119 --> 01:05:14,400 time winning those two rings with Golden State. There's no sweet without the sour. 833 01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:18,639 There's no shortcuts to fulfillment. Just I don't want to see anyone get 834 01:05:18,719 --> 01:05:25,119 comfortable with playing it safe where your championship is a twenty point comeback during the 835 01:05:25,159 --> 01:05:30,079 regular season against an elite team on the road in January, an opponent that 836 01:05:30,199 --> 01:05:33,079 has their eyes on a bigger prize. I don't want you to accept being 837 01:05:33,159 --> 01:05:38,800 the spoiler or just nipping at the heels of giants in this league. The 838 01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:42,960 Clippers are in the big leagues now. They're a destination franchise, a legit 839 01:05:43,079 --> 01:05:47,280 threat long term. Long term, they have Steve Balmer. Now is not 840 01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:53,440 the time to retreat and back away from that responsibility because you have the owner 841 01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,639 and he's competitive as hell in Steve Balmer, and it's only been a decade 842 01:05:57,679 --> 01:06:01,760 with him. They've already taken leaps and bounce forward. Keep going. You 843 01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:05,000 have to endure pain along the way. It will be worth it. Someday 844 01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:10,960 it will be continue to go forward and strive to be a championship organization, 845 01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:15,199 and then you could say you were there from the ground floor the first championship. 846 01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:19,199 Ever, it will be meaningful. Now. It doesn't mean the front 847 01:06:19,239 --> 01:06:23,159 office should go out and be reckless and just spend to go over the second 848 01:06:23,199 --> 01:06:29,000 apron for Wiggins. A hip wouldn't wouldn't be over the second apron and you 849 01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:33,280 get a first round pick. It doesn't mean you're just foolish like that just 850 01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:36,719 to appear like you're trying to win this season when we know if they made 851 01:06:36,719 --> 01:06:42,000 a trade with Golden State for Paul George to get Wiggins and Moody, it 852 01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:45,440 doesn't really do much for you. Just put you in cap hell. Sure, 853 01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,519 it just means stay ready for the opportunity because there could be one long 854 01:06:49,639 --> 01:06:56,199 term just like the one we just went through, which in many ways in 855 01:06:56,280 --> 01:07:00,280 the two and three era was good process. Bringing it guy fresh off of 856 01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:04,599 Finals MVP and a guy who just finished top three in MVP voting a defensive 857 01:07:04,599 --> 01:07:09,719 Player of the Year voting. Look in other tidelines on Earth two, three, 858 01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,639 four, and five a universe without Joe Ingles, there's a great chance 859 01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:17,239 that move leads to a ring or two. The universe without Joe Ingles has 860 01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:24,599 already evolved past the space that needs basketball to entertain themselves. I'm just saying, 861 01:07:25,239 --> 01:07:28,960 just because two point three in that era ultimately failed mostly because of things 862 01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,039 outside of their control with injuries, does not mean that they are cursed or 863 01:07:31,119 --> 01:07:34,840 destined to fail. Or you should be afraid to dip your toe back in 864 01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:42,079 the water and get scared of championship expectations because they could crush you. Get 865 01:07:42,119 --> 01:07:45,280 back on the grind, find a way. Do not let unfortunate luck over 866 01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:50,039 the last five years deter you from staying the course. Tend to a dome 867 01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:59,719 now is as a fan, obviously stick with the team if you if you 868 01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,639 leave, now, come on. It's also a great time to pick a 869 01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:06,480 random favorite player, pick a random favorite guy who might with the team for 870 01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:12,199 a while. Well, counterpoints to Adam, give us the negative side of 871 01:08:12,239 --> 01:08:16,199 that, what you get twice as much time? No, I mean, 872 01:08:16,239 --> 01:08:20,439 I'd say, like, can we just get back to having some fun with 873 01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:24,560 it, like talking about that's where we are. I'm talking about good process. 874 01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,640 It's important for the team, but it's like also just an important reset 875 01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,319 for fans, Like let's just get back to doing our thing, talking our 876 01:08:30,359 --> 01:08:33,279 shit, having a fun time, like you know, we don't need to 877 01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:38,159 worry about like the crushing defeat or anything. But it doesn't mean that this 878 01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:41,800 team can't do shit. Like that was what was so exciting about eighteen nineteen. 879 01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:45,039 It's like that there was a little bit of belief, like, yes, 880 01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:47,319 I was insane enough to think it's not crazy to think they could get 881 01:08:47,319 --> 01:08:50,279 out of this series with the Warriors, and that's what's fun. But you 882 01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:54,920 have to enjoy the little steps around along the way. So we tripped up 883 01:08:55,079 --> 01:08:59,760 like it's fine, like we're gonna We're gonna keep on going. I say 884 01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:03,479 it all all the time, but if ownership is the biggest advantage in sports, 885 01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,319 and the Clippers clearly have an advantage with Steve Palmer, they do, 886 01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:12,840 they do, and you do have to appreciate the journey and all parts of 887 01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:15,600 it, as rough as the last five years have been. My central point 888 01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:20,920 is I just don't want everyone clamoring for, oh I miss the old Clippers 889 01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:26,079 when we were just trying to get above five hundred that season, because at 890 01:09:26,159 --> 01:09:29,840 some point, if you're gonna win a championship, you have to deal with 891 01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,800 these expectations and sometimes the failures that come with them, like we've seen the 892 01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,640 last five years, it's all part of it. It sucks, it's tough, 893 01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:41,439 but it's the only way. And look at the turnaround that those two 894 01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:45,079 years brought, Like in two years, just an insane turnaround for those team. 895 01:09:45,119 --> 01:09:49,159 It didn't ultimately end up successful, but like that's exciting to think where 896 01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:55,840 we could be two years from this. It's gonna be Chip City, some 897 01:09:55,960 --> 01:10:00,840 would say Chip of the Summer possibly. I'm excited for this season. It's 898 01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:04,039 gonna be to watch Cam Christy in Summer League. We hope Kobe Brown looks 899 01:10:04,079 --> 01:10:09,720 good. Like we're gonna be an annoying ass team that's defensive and that rules. 900 01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:14,560 We talked about getting more wings they brought back, but toom that became 901 01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:18,640 official today. Derek Jones Junior did some social media on the Clippers X account. 902 01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:26,479 These guys, Yeah, it's gonna be fun watching them. It's gonna 903 01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,479 be a good time. There's gonna be lobs for days. We do some 904 01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:33,159 photoshops and some hard hats. You know. Yeah, I'm excited to see 905 01:10:33,239 --> 01:10:36,680 the schedule release video because the only players in it are probably gonna be Kobe 906 01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:45,119 Brown and Cam Christy I want to see zoo bots exploited to the fullest extent 907 01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:55,000 good way. I want them to spam a Vita zobots and him being a 908 01:10:55,159 --> 01:11:00,199 hub on offense. And you're getting more touches. You spelled exploit with three 909 01:11:00,399 --> 01:11:09,000 x's when you said that, I need Big Zoo to finally be fully unleashed. 910 01:11:11,159 --> 01:11:14,720 No more big plumb, Now we need big Zoo. I think got 911 01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,319 about the NBA's first one hundred point game, the first one. That's Scott 912 01:11:17,359 --> 01:11:19,319 on tape. Why is there no footage? No, only first one, 913 01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,600 the early first one. All right, that about wraps it up. We 914 01:11:24,279 --> 01:11:28,439 gotta go. I mean TMOSA plays Canada. I hope, we hope we 915 01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:32,399 beat those Canucks. Yeah, we'll be back probably next week. I don't 916 01:11:32,399 --> 01:11:34,279 know if we're gonna do a Friday show. We talked about a bunch of 917 01:11:34,279 --> 01:11:36,960 good stuff. If anything crazy happens, we'll hop on again. We'll be 918 01:11:38,039 --> 01:11:42,119 back next week. Adam or you did this positivity thing? Will Where can 919 01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:45,279 these wonderful people find us who might be listening on audio? If you just 920 01:11:45,359 --> 01:11:48,119 listening on audio, you should be here hanging out with us on YouTube. 921 01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:51,760 That's YouTube dot com. Slash at Clippers podcast. But hey, if you're 922 01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,920 not hanging out on the stream, you're not watching over on YouTube, you 923 01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:58,239 can listen to us wherever you get your audio podcast. If you happen to 924 01:11:58,319 --> 01:12:01,399 listen over on Spotify or Apple Podcasts, go ahead leave a little radio review. 925 01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:04,720 We'd really appreciate it. But yeah, we're happy. However you, 926 01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:11,039 however you consume this thing, let's go clips. Let's go clips. Adam, 927 01:12:11,079 --> 01:12:12,960 you look like you have something you want to say before we get out 928 01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:18,119 of here. Where's the dips today? Boys? It was impromptu. It's 929 01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:24,479 a lie. I didn't have either, so I'm happy. We'll talk to 930 01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:26,000 everybody later. And it's always like, well,