What is going on? Clippers fans, Welcome to a kind of an impromptu
clip dim happy hour after some weird news this morning from the Clippers. I
am Chuck Buckler. We have people come in on the live. Adam Oslam
is here. We'll Upduck of course, is going to be here at some
point. We're gonna have this out on audio as well. But if you're
watching us, thanks for watching us over on x or on YouTube. Before
we getting everything, I think things were. It has been a big week
for Clippers fans. Adam very up and down. How how are you doing
with this chaotic I think this is a line from Archer, but it goes
something like, I'm beset on all sides by idiots and uh, that's all
I've been feeling today. You've been arguing with people who don't have profile pictures
on Twitter and I you don't have to. Yeah, shame on me.
I've been having a rough day. I think the Kawhi news, which we'll
get into, just has me especially irked. Some of the stuff that was
said Monday with Paul George on the podcasts and people reacting to that and talking
about it got me going a little bit. It's just been frustrating. Man,
it just it has. I have to be honest about this later in
the show well and with something positive as always, but it has not been
an easy week for cliper Nations so far. Yeah, so we're gonna talk
uh Kawhi news. We're gonna talk the possibility of zach lavine trade. Miles
Johnson is already wanting to talk about that, but we're gonna get to that,
and then we're gonna talk to viats zubots fighting people in Greece, which
is crazy. I don't know why you would ever fights. That's how angry
I was today. I would fight Zoo, no would side. Yeah.
Right, So Kawhi leaves Team USA and people were at first freaked out,
which I think is fair. Of course, if you're a Clippers fan and
you wake up to the headline Kawhi Leonard leaves Team USA early, it's not
like your head's gonna go to the Oh, he's probably fine, that's not
gonna happen. But you're assuming the worst if you're a Clippers fan, which
makes sense, but the statement, yeah, go for it. You haven't
pulled up. We have the technology to share screens. I have so many
damn tabs open. I'm just gonna read it. You're arguing with everybody.
Twenty twenty four USA Basketball men's national team update on Kawhi Leonard Kawhi has been
ramping up for the Olympics over the past several weeks and had a few strong
practices in Las Vegas. He felt ready to compete. However, he respects
that USA Basketball and the Clippers determined it's in his best interest to spend the
remainder of the summer preparing for the upcoming season rather than participating in the Olympic
Games in Paris, Lucas. Hahn had an interesting take where he was like,
maybe this is just the Clippers were called like being like, we don't
like what happened with Wiggins, a quieter version of what happened with Wiggins and
Team Canada. Do you think that in boldened them? I mean, if
they're doing this with Wiggins, we could sure do this with injury history.
Does that seem I know, and I understand coming into this, we talked
about Kawhi playing in the Olympics. Were you for it, against it?
How did you feel about it as a fan? It was mixed, obviously,
but there was a contingent of fans saying, you know, he hasn't
been able to finish the last four seasons as a Clipper, so they didn't
want to see him playing in the Olympics and putting further wear and tear on
his body on his right knee, which I think to some degree is understandable.
However, it was his decision. It sounded like it was a bucket
list thing for him to get a gold medal. I think he was supposed
to do it, what the last time around or something like that, and
wasn't able to yeah something, Leonard, certainly it meant something to him.
He wanted to do so. But when the reports started to come out,
and this was within the last week and he talked about how he had a
turnaround within the last two weeks health wise, that was a little bit of
a red flag to me. And then when he said the knee is currently
at neutral status, that was kind of a red flag to me. It
just seemed like the swelling. If we're going off a timeline of the last
game he played before it was March thirty first against the Charlotte Hornets, then
we're almost at three months. Yes, before the two week period where he
is saying he had a turnaround of swelling in his right knee for something that
is not structurally an issue. According to whatever MRI they got one. We
know they got at least one right they said there was no structural damage.
I have been extremely honest about my feelings about this injury on the very last
show that I'm not trying to fear monger or be an alarmist, but I
will be monitoring Kawhi learned it very closely during the Olympics to see how he
is because that practice session he did in front of Steve Kerr and Tyler and
Lawrence Frank is just different than five on five work, and Brad Turner's piece
said that the practices were up and down was the quote which we saw what
up and down. Kawhi looked like an extreme version of it in the playoffs
this year, So I think it was probably a thing where it was like,
I don't know, I'm not super upset about it, though now I'm
more concerned than I was earlier. Today, I have to be honest about
that because I have had this dark cloud regarding this injury only because when people
were saying they're saving him for the playoffs. They don't want to get fined.
I pushed backed immediately and said that game against Denver that he missed,
guys, was a huge seating implication game. There's no way if there wasn't
something going on, he wouldn't have played that game. And then they said
he was just saving him, They were saving him for the playoffs and it's
gamesmanship, and only people got mad at me about that, and I said,
I don't think it's gamesmanship, guys, because he didn't play against Denver
that had huge ramifications. They ended up winning that game, by the way,
anyways, but I never bought into to it. Oh, they're downplaying
it. He'll be fine once the playoffs come around. And the other thing
I kept saying was I'm not so much worried about Kawhi playing in a game
in the playoffs and trying to play and testing it out. What I'm worried
about is how he responds the next day. And guess what happened. He
looked pretty good in game two overall, and then game three was a complete
shell of himself here and said afterwards that the knee didn't respond the way we
wanted it to and probably should have been poled after his first stint with how
bad he looked, hanging on the rim, not wanting to land on the
floor. So, now moving this forward, the initial injury apparently took place
against Charlotte on March thirty. First, you look great in that game.
We're talking about three months ago now, and now we get a report from
Sham Sharania. I don't know if you saw this, because I just did.
I don't know the exact context because he's saying Kawhi has been dealing with
chronic soreness in his right knee. Does that mean was dealing with it before
Team USA? Yes, that was. We could play the clip of him
saying I don't want to give he doesn't need this show. Sure, but
he said he wasn't going full speed at Team USA practice, which against him
practicing fully. If it's not full speed. Now, whether or not you
want to believe that report or not, he's no longer a Team USA.
So it sounds like there were two things, two options that Clipper Nation has
been ruminating about all day. That has a little bit of dread in the
air. Is it he looked pretty good and they just want to save him
for the regular season and make sure not to put anywhere and tear on his
body, knowing that they are going hard in practice, knowing his injury history,
and they just want to do what a lot of the fans warned him
to do, which is just wait for Clippers basketball to put pressure on the
knee. Or the other option is he didn't look good, it hasn't fully
healed, and it's saving him from himself and possibly re injuring it, worsening
it, exacerbating the injury. I don't know. Skip Bayless came out earlier
today and said he got a scope. Whether or not you want to believe
Skip Bayless, you know, I can't stay. People have said in the
past though he has been on with some of his intel on Kawhi Leonard.
I don't know if that's the case, but people have wonder But people have
wondered if he had already got under the knife, if they already checked on
it, given the knee being swollen for that long, that is fair and
to go. I like that thing you said about the three kind of the
three outc maybe the Clippers fans were thinking about. The last one you said
was like the Clippers kind of were like, oh, saving him from himself.
I don't know. Based on how we've seen them treat Kawhi, I
think it's maybe option one right because they kind of done whatever Kawi wants after
the trade, and I don't think at this point they would be like,
no, you can't play. I think it was maybe more in like an
amicable split. Maybe that's what I'm choosing to be agree because they can't do
anything if Kawi wants to play, they can't learn anything about it. They
have no recourse if he is adamant that he wants to play for Team USA.
It sounds like it was a collaboration. He understood where they were coming
from, and considering the terminology he was using with the knee being in a
neutral state, I'm sure he had his own concerns regarding it and knowing that
he's just had a turnaround two weeks before. Maybe if it had responded better
and he really felt good, he would have argued his point of staying there
and seeing how it goes and willing to play into a nice first game against
Canada. But if the Shams report is correct, that's much more worrisome and
concerning. Yes, and we are not going to know if that report is
correct, until we get some kind of notification, maybe a Lawrence Frank statement.
We've talked about the dreaded impromptu Lawrence Frank's statement or impromptu Lawrence Frank press
conference. Because they can announce if a scope is going to happen, a
knee check out, whatever, they can announce it kind of whatever they want
because it's the off season, so we'll know about it much more after the
Would you be surprised if three months in with consistent swelling, chronic soreness in
his knee, if he hadn't had a scope yet, would you be surprised
by that? Yeah, I think I would be surprised. Doctor shapp is
not in the building, by the way, I think I would. I
guess i'd be surprised because you think they'd want to check it out. I'm
fine with constant swelling for three months. I'm fine with the scope to check
things out, But if he gets a scrape or something like that, then
I'm a little more antsy. The other thing I stressed immediately with for this
season, well, remember the initial injury was listed as soreness in his right
knee, and the one thing I stressed was it's his right knee. Guys,
it's the acl k me it's the moniscus knee. It's been the troublesome
late. Going back to theopathy. We were freaking out on that line.
That's a very funny one to look back on that. Apparently we were right
to be. I think we were on the right track. It wasn't gamesmanship.
He wasn't fine. He could barely go in the playoffs, and shams
is saying they're still an issue and all. Yeah, I love Kawhi Leonard.
I feel terrible for him. He spoke about how his journey's been different
as an athlete because of all the setbacks, but it is his journey,
and I thought said something very strong and inspiring at camp with Team USA,
saying I'm gonna go until i can't anymore because I know I'm motivating others who
have dealt with injuries in the past. He also or down the line future
generations they could see it as motivation. Kawhi kept pushing through, and he
also wasn't feeling sorry for himself. He said there's players that have dealt with
much worse, almost like, you know, I'm the luckiest guy in the
world. Type stuff. Yeah, Paul George dealt with crazy. Yeah,
it's not. I don't know, because it's like, do you think about
the expectations for the Clippers too, they weren't gonna win a championship this next
upcoming season. I don't. Certainly not if they don't have Kawhi well,
certainly they don't have Kauhi. Really tough to make any argument for them being
in the championship conversation without Paul George and Kawhi Leonards, right, do you
think now with the lesser expectations, we're gonna see some more not what we
saw last season. Let's just say, in terms of how many games Kawi
played, do you think there's I think there's gonna be more hanging out well
and managing an injury. I don't. I also know I'm not trying to
make light of the fact that he's like, he's we need to manage it.
If anyone still has an issue or makes fun of the Clippers for wanting
to load manage Kawhi Leonard at this point, with everything he has been through,
you're shameless, You're insane. This is no perspective. This is not
how I wanted him to beat the the load management takes. But unfortunately it
seems like that is how he's been And this is a great point by Miles
Johnson. I don't think we would be a lottery team without Kawhi, but
we might be clote But I don't know. I just know whatever they try
at this point is probably warranted because they've tried a lot to manage this knee
issue. But somebody said earlier today, and I've heard a lot of this,
and this has been going on for years, two years, and it
just really bugged me. Earlier today they said, this just save him to
the playoffs. Hello, they're not making the playoffs if you don't play Kawhi
some of the regular season guys, have you seen the Western Conference recently?
And then he got after me, say oh, that really instills confidence in
the fan base. It's like, oh, I'm sorry. Should I not
be somewhat realistic? Should I be completely out to lunch? It's crazy.
I have had people come after me on both sides the entire time. I've
been lucky enough to get to work with the Clippers, some saying I'm a
mouthpiece for the organization and you can't trust anything I say. Others saying I'm
too negative? Which is it, guys? I guess I'm being objective.
If everybody's getting on me for something, I can't do anything right for them.
I just know this. If a number one option is missing for any
of the top teams in the West, they're not making the playoffs. They
can make the play in but they're not gonna be a top six seed.
Is Denver a top six seed without Jokic first season? Can they just sit
him and wait till the playoffs? No, I don't think you can do
it with ant Man. I don't think you can do it with Luka Dancic.
I don't think you can do it with Kevin Durant. I don't think
you can do it with Steph Curry. I don't think you can do it
with Dear and Fox. I don't think you can do it and know you
can't with job Morant. I don't think anybody who's missing their first option has
a chance right now with how competitive the Western Conference is, because check look
at this, who's getting worse right now in the West. Who's significantly getting
worse? Is okay, see significantly getting worse? No? They just signed
Isaiah Hartenstein is Denver getting significantly worse depending on who their backup significantly Okay,
yeah, no, not significantly. Minnesota stasis right at worst. Yeah,
you could make the argument obviously ant is gonna get much better. The Dallas
Mavericks, Okay, they lost Derreck Jones Jr. They brought in Klay Thompson.
I wouldn't say there's significantly I'm not picking them to make the finals or
even the Western Conference finals, but I think we might have to wait and
see because Clay, I don't know. I still wouldn't say that's significantly worse
because they still have Luca and Kyrie. They didn't lose either of those guys.
Phoenix, Are they significantly worse? No, I don't think right.
The Lakers TVD Pelicans, No, just brought in Jontay Murray. Yeah,
could have better injury luck with Zion. Sacramento just brought into Marto Rosen,
they were the night seed. Golden State brought in Buddy Healed. Are any
of these teams getting much worse? Because I know Houston's going to be better.
Likely, I know Memphis is gonna be better. San Antonio is gonna
be better. Utah, h we'll see there just aren't a lot of teams
that are giving you a top six seed in the Western Conference. So yes,
if you don't play Kawhi Leonard the entire season, just save him for
the playoffs. I don't think you're making the playoffs. Maybe the play in
Maybe, I think that would take a lot still because it's so damn competitive.
How many games from Kawhi do you think the Clippers need to be a
play off team. I am open to listening to some crazy stuff at this
point. No crazy like you can miss the entire regular season. I'm open
open to listening to Plame twice a week. See how we respond to that?
Play three times a week is at most? See response to that?
No back to backs. I am open to all these things at this point.
How can you not be? How can you not be? You are
picking things up, you are hurling them at the wall at this point,
which I mean it's hard not Yeah, I think we might see something.
I will I deslately want go ahead. I want to see Kawhi Leonards still
at the peak of his powers. That's what I want to see. We
all want to see that. I want to see Kawhi healthy. Whatever it
takes to get him healthy is what they should do. I think we're going
to see some revolutionary resting from the Clippers UH training staff this year. Not
be valid, it would absolutely be valid. The man like, it's not.
I don't want to hear Stephen A. Smith. I don't want to
hear any of these guys go after the Clippers when there's somebody that's dealt with
so many injuries the last five years and they're trying to preserve him the best
they can. And it's I mean, it's like what you were saying,
like unfortunately, it's like, no one's gonna sit here and be like,
I actually think he's fully healthy. That's just that he doesn't like playing basketball
right really and hanging on the rim scared to drop down from it in Game
three. That image is your night terror. I just feel like the notion
that Kawhi doesn't love playing basketball when he gave it a go in that game
with how bad he looked. Here's the other thing with hey, we're talking
Kawhi, will Updyke Fellas, we're talking Kawhi, and then we're gonna talk
Levine and then we're gonna talk zoo fighting people. Adam, I've never seen
your hair. This down before you're You're in the mud right now, My
man, you're in the dirt, down and out. He is not doing
well. Welcome to all the chat. Will Updike is here. Thanks for
hanging out. We're just using slang. Thanks for watching. If you're watching
this on YouTube, thanks for listening. Put this out on audio later.
Will How are you feeling about the Kawhi Leonard Uh saga? Adam, I
would say, is more down in the dumps. Adam is as this person
is putting it, just draw which is fair, yes, straw indeed,
Look, uh, it's not completely unexpected, right like I think I was.
You know, I said that I approved of him playing in the Olympics,
especially like him playing high level competitive basketball. Look, anytime Kawhi Leonard
is doing that, I think that's ultimately a good thing. You could talk
about, Milege, You can talk about whatever you want. The only way
to really know how that knee is going to respond is to play at the
highest level of competition, because that's his ultimate goal, right, is to
play at that level with the Clippers. And was the best argument, by
the way, Oh coming up with that was brilliant. I don't know how
anyone could argue against wants to know how his knee responds now rather than waiting
till gain one of the regular seasons. So I was initially also pretty distraught.
It seems like this was just I don't know how how drastic it is,
you know, Like I I my initial thoughts were the worst, that
he was physically unable to compete after you know, after just training. Now,
from what it seems is that this was more of a mutual decision that
was met with the organization, Uh, you know, with the big wigs
that it would be better to save it would be better to save him for
for the regular season. So I don't know, you know, with how
closely this organization plays things to the chest, does that mean that there isn't
some sort of procedure on the horizon. It's really hard to tell, but
I'm choosing to believe that, you know, that they saw what they needed
to see through training. I'm hoping that he feels well and this is just
out of an abundance of caution. Did you see the shamp Serani report saying
Kawhi Leonard has been dealing with chronic knee soreness, not being able to play
at full speed in Olympic competition. I'm told Champs that was the biggest factor.
The Clippers have also been concerned about further damage in that knee. That
is a report from Shamps. Doesn't mean it's true, doesn't mean it's totally
accurate. He's certainly just been wrong plenty. Yeah, I'm not nobody though
he's one of the big three. It's him, it's Woj. If it
was Woj, I'd be more concerned. Probably. I agree with you,
and I do think that that is credible. At the same time, it's
just like the diametric opposite of the report that we saw the other day about
how he looked in training. Uh so it got the ANSWER's got to lie
somewhere in the middle, right like maybe you know, maybe there is some
stiffness, some soreness, but it's you know, I don't know, you
know, like if it's still going on at this point and you know he's
not able to play competitive basketball, I just don't see a world where there
isn't a procedure on the horizon we are talking about that. Hey, that's
how that how is that remotely a possibility? But still, to go back
to my original point, I'd much rather that happen in July than October.
My biggest concern is, are are we talking about the same soreness for three
months since March thirty first? Is that what we're talking about still? Because
that would seem very worrisome, right, the same surgically repaired knee. Is
that not fair? I'm not trying to, uh at all be an alarmist.
I just what are we talking about? It's Kawhi and it's that me.
I think it's we wouldn't be doing our twue diligence if we didn't at
least bring that up, Like, how do we not? How do you
avoid it? You avoid it by not getting hurt? No, I don't
know. There's absolutely no way to avoid it. It's a weird I don't
know. I guess we just wait for the news dump, we wait for
the WOJ bomb and hope that it's a successful whatever. Right. Yeah.
This is also a pretty quick turnaround from like just the statements the other day
when Kaui was asked about like what it means for him to lead the Clippers
this season now with the departure of Paul George, and he said it was
basically the same, which I love. Yeah, someone's saying, yeah,
no more back to backs for Kauhi again, Yeah, do whatever. Okay,
Adam was saying, only play him every two days. Will I was
saying, We're going to see some revolution. I said, I'm open to
any ideas including that. Yeah. I mean, like, if someone told
me, will just wait till the playoffs, it's like, you wait to
the playoffs. You're not making the playoffs. He has to play some of
the regular seasons. Yeah, I don't see a situation where the Clippers,
uh, the Clippers without Kauai like would have to fight in claude a play
position. I would think that, Yeah, that's an unusual situation. Look,
the thing is, too, is like there's just no guarantee. Like
I do think, like they're not playing back to backs, that's an obvious
I think that that should just be implemented by basically every team for a star
for a star level player who plays, you know, thirty six plus minutes
a night, that it's just ridiculous. There's no length in the effing schedule.
You are running into baseball and nothing else. You've adjusted before for other
reasons. I think you could do it. NBA if you really wanted to,
it would be nice, or just keep the same amount of time,
but make it sixty two games, cut twenty games off. They won't do
that. I know that it will never be less games. There will never
be less games. I don't maybe the quarters twenty five minutes low. I
don't fully understand though, why the season couldn't be a little longer, Like
obviously you don't want it to start earlier because of competition with football. I
get that completely, But why why couldn't it go later into the summer.
There's just truly they've they've done it recently, just not a lot going on.
And that's no discredit to the like WNBNA, It's no, it's no
discredit to the Stanley Cup finals. But like, the competition is much harsher
in fall than it is in summer. I guess that's all I'm saying.
If you add a month, you can get rid of back to backs.
I'm pretty sure that's it. And you're ending in July, Okay, what's
your competition in July? Is the Australian Open then? I don't know.
I guess that tells you all you need to know about the competition. Confeder
ain't playing the doll. I don't give a shit. All Right, coming
up, we're gonna talk the Zach Lavine thing because everyone that's been the hot
we're doing haggle, no haggle on trading for Zach Levine. That's coming up
after a very quick audio break, because you're gonna make this live two on
the audio and we'll be back in two seconds with Zach Lavine. Talk.
All right, we're back in. We're talking Zach Levine. After tucking Kawhi's
unfortunate exit from Team USA basketball. Let's talk this Lavine thing. Uh,
who who wants to start? Adam, you're all in on this movie.
Correct, Let's let's get your take first. I want to okay, you
take it, and then I want to point out something very funny and then
Zach Lavine has been admittedly one of my favorite player for some time. I
think I mentioned on here. People don't realize this. He's got thirty eight
percent from three at UCLA in his one season. He's always been a good
shooter. People try to pigeonhole him because of the dunk contests. As just
a dunker. He has one of the best shots in the league. In
the NBA. It is as smooth and as beautiful and is on point and
reality is as you can get close to that. It's nice. Now does
he have his own injury concerns? Of course he does. Is he still
what twenty seven or twenty eight? Is he younger than Terrence man zach Lavine?
He might be. He might be a little bit younger. He's twenty
nine, so he's a year old. His contract ends when he's thirty one.
His last year is I think forty eight million is player option. That's
not ideal. Of course, if he bowls out in his first two years,
he's opting out. You don't have to worry about that last year.
There are more free agents that will be available in that third year that you
may be looking at that. But here's the kicker for me. The only
way I'm entertaining it is if, at least in my opinion, they're still
offering that first round pick that was rumored the Chicago Bulls to get off of
his contract. Sure, to me, that is pretty meaningful, not just
for a team like the Clippers who don't have many, but if you get
the Bulls first round pick, I'd very likely could be a lottery pick counterpoint
because he had he's had two surgeries on his knee and he had foot surgery
last year. As a Clippers fan, after what we just talked about,
I'm aware of it all gives me about a twenty games last year. I
get it twenty five, so that you're what I'm helping your case. I
know. So the trade package because of eight I'm gonna say this and you're
gonna hear this phrase a lot on this podcast, Apron stuff. The Clippers
would have to include uh Man or Zoo, So it would be like PJ
norm Man or PJ Norm Zoo. It's not gonna be Zoo. It's not
gonna be Zoo because that would be who's protecting the paint at that point.
So it's probably in this hypothetical PJ Norm and Terrence for like zach Lavine in
the first round pick. To me, if that is the what we're looking
at, I get worried because we're losing our best scoring option off the bench
and it just kind of throw it throws things a little into chaos, I
think, benchwise, and I'm worried how they'd be able to recover from that.
And you're kind of asking two guys who have injuries to play a lot
because the depth is going to be there. It's not there now. But
that's in Zach Levine's defense. I do want to say he has played sixty
or more games in four out of the last six seasons. Yeah, but
last year he played twenty five, so that's okay, that's a year.
And very recently the Bulls there appeared to be a little bit of a riff
that they thought he didn't need to get the surgery. He could have rehabbed
through it and continued to play the rest of the season, and he instead
elected to get the surgery, which ended his season. I'm not going to
knock a guy forgetting this either play through it. I'm like, maybe just
get search Yeah, and sick. Most employees are going to say, how
sick we're going off of twenty five games, which sounds like it's a much
more severe injury, when really it was just, okay, it's a foot
injury. He's out for the season. When there was this other possibility maybe
he could have played through it so therefore it wasn't as severe. But what
about the context of were PJ obviously no one here watching, or unless he's
watching is going to be mad about losing PJ. Tucker in the trade,
but you're losing like Norm. I'm sure losing Norm and Terrence together feels scary
to me. My point would be like, I don't. I don't love
that either. I'm banking on the first round pick. I'm banking on zach
Lavine being healthier. The only reason he's available someone this talented is because of
health concerns. And the Chicago Bulls are have been imploding for years and couldn't
find any traction with that group to really build anything around. And some people
view zach Lavine as empty numbers. I don't see it that way. Oh,
I don't think he's. Yeah, that's the other part. I don't
want to I don't think he's empty numbers. He's a phenomenal shooter. I'll
tell you I don't want it to make that because I do. He's a
Seattle guy. Fair. I look at what we're dealing with right now with
Kawhi and think about how do you supplement some of this scoring if he is
going to be missing more games. Now, if you say, well,
Zach Vane's gonna be missing games too, then how does that help you I
am assuming based upon his overall track record the last five years, the type
of surgery it was, he won't be missing that many games, and the
first round pick, and it's like, look, if you don't think this
error is going anywhere anyways, Oh there is over the PG left and you
can get a first round pick. I don't know, I and still be
really competitive, but I'm not with I gotta be honest with you. I
think I'm not with it. I don't think at forty eight million dollars a
year or whatever I'm in on the Livin move, that to me feels like
too high of a price to pay, both given the rotation players that were
giving up and like a first round pick, like yes, it's it's solid,
but like for three years at near max money, Like I just I
got to guess, I don't see it. I don't want the Clippers to
take a big swing or take on another big salary. Frank, yeah,
Levine comes were like, we're not a Levine away from a contender, Like,
I just I don't see it. The first round pick is big,
but let me think it is huge. I'm not I is it worth a
well if you're still under the cap anyways, which they will be. What
you're losing are those players. But if let's say that the contract negotiation with
Terrence Man being extension eligible isn't going great and they don't think they're able to
retain him for a price that works for the Clippers cap situation, because that's
really the only way I think they would entertain giving up Terrence Man if things
aren't going well in that area. That that I mean, if yeah,
if Terrence I've been on the like four for ninety four for one hundred for
Zoo Train, and I don't I haven't really thought about the Terrence extension,
but I wonder what he The Clippers haven't been in this position in a minute,
right, being able to extend a guy who's been with the team for
this long, who was drafted by the he's the longest precisely why they should
do it. No, No, I agree, But then it's interesting franchise
if you can't keep your homegrown talent, like especially for something like this.
I don't know that I want to. I'm interested to see how this goes
for them, because I don't everyone's talking about the two for sixty offer to
Paul George. I think that was just the first offer. I don't think
the Clippers sincerely assumed for sixty half in the face by it. Can we
kind of debuff this a little bit fair? And also can we point this
out? Some are saying, well, if he opts into the last year
and then takes that deal, it's one hundred and seven million, not sixty
million. You're starting at one hundred and seven million, is what you're really
offering him? Is that a slap in the face to start off a negotiation
talks at one hundred and seven million after he had only played I think eighty
seven games combined the last two season, wasn't available the last play in game
for them against the Pelicans, wasn't available in the playoffs against the Phoenix Suns.
I don't think that's that crazy. His value at the time context was
was not that high going into this season. Paul George, I think people
forget that he upped his value by having one of his most efficient seasons and
playing over seventy games with the Clippers. Uh, excellent point. I think
high. I'm Spencer has a good point saying man has to step up offensively
this season. Part of that's opportunity now that Paul George is gone. This
is his chance. They don't have to get the extension done before the season
starts. I believe it's just it's eligible. So I like this take.
He's gonna have more opportunity. And we've looked at his per thirty six.
Well, you and I did this on Lockdown Clippers a few times, and
I think we did this on Clips and Dip. You look at us per
thirty six and it's it's you know, it's the same four columns in rows.
Basically do all you gotta do is playing thirty six minutes thirty six,
which I mean, well, and they are like forty five games over five
hundred when he starts the last two years, we're not far away from him
play like who there's not It's not like we have a lot of depth right
now. So I like this take from I'm also like, I'm not saying
I'm in the camp that some people are that you know, Terrence Man is
like this completely untouchable asset. I just think, like, with where you're
at right now, I don't really get giving up the asset for an older,
more injury prone, four times more expensive player. I guess it's just
where I'm at personally, at least let me throw this in there. Come
on, you're talking about losing that depth. How else are you going to
open up opportunities for the young guys? Is that ever gonna happen? Well,
Terrence, well, Terrence and Doo. I think I have absolutely earned
their spots in the starting lineup. What I'm saying, you're talking about Norman
Powell coming on eventually? No? No, no, norm Yeah, But
I mean who's who if you did trade Terrence Man and Norman Powell, Kobe
Brown's gonna have to play. Uh, Jordan Miller is gonna have guys.
Those guys are going to be twenty five at the end of this season.
Jordan Miller and Kobe Brown twenty five at the end of the season. Like,
are we ever going to see these guys? If you're saying no,
they're not very good? No, well, how can we know from management?
I think Kobe Brown? So this is Bones, I mean the Bones
think, well, hey, Bones has the path Now it's not. I
mean, Chris Dunn and him are going to be competing for that second.
I just we're talking recently, there's been a theme here that you have to
open up opportunities for young guys. One of the ways to do that is
to trade three guys for one. There's not a man ideal slam dunk trade.
We already don't have that much death I we'd be real bad are at
right now? I just what do you care? If you're saying they don't
have a chance, Why shouldn't they be building for the future and giving young
guys opportunities. How does trading for a bigger star achieve that? Because you're
still trading at least two guys that are soaking up a lot of minutes with
Terrence Man and Norman Powell for one guy. Man isn't old enough for me
to because if they want the max slot in twenty twenty six, I think
keeping Man helps that scenario. Okay, you keep Man in zoo. You
gotta you got a two guard and you have a center locked up. I
like the first round pick idea though, that's what has met in this That's
what it always was. As much as I like Zach Levine, it's the
first round pick from a team like Chicago. If that's true, it was
a report. How come they haven't found a deal for Lavine yet? He
does make a lot of money, not a lot of teams that were able
to and that are under the cap like the Clippers, are I just I
gotta be honest. I like the Levin thing. I see, I see
the pros to it. I do think it's interesting, and I am all
in on at least if we can't win, bringing in electrifying players. But
at the same time, I don't know that Zach Lavine has proven that he
contributes to winning basketball. And I just again not to bring up the apron
again. I don't want to beliegue here this point to death, but in
with essentially a hard cap, how many teams are really willing to give up
forty eight million dollars a year to a who doesn't historically has not contributed to
winning. So this is I don't think he's been in a good enough situations
to know for sure, but I don't think. I don't think it's unfair
what you're saying. I read a crazy stat about will and I we saw
Kinds of Kindness, wonderful movie. But I read a stat that I is
burned into my brain. Zach Levine has had like one hundred and four teammates
in the NBA since he's been in the league. Seventy four of them are
out of the league. He's had some bad that's crazy. He's been around
some shitty teams. I don't I'm not. I'm not on team. Let's
trade that for Levine, But that is crazy. He has been in bad
situations. He's not exactly going to an elite one here. It's a little
discombobulated. But the management is good, obviously better than the Bulls. This
is a great point by Junction too. But I don't know, and there
some time, but I don't think I think what to expect from the Clippers.
I'm not saying this is right. I think from what that that nugget
we heard of wanting the spot for the twenty twenty six Max. If you
look at the it's kind of a weird list of people who are available.
I just don't think they're gonna do that move. I think they want to
be a playing team. I mean, I'm not making the argument they're going
to do it. No, I wasn't either. I just wanted to like
just through Yeah, yeah, I don't even think it's an easy decision.
Would I lean towards doing it if the first doesn't have many restrictions on it.
Probably, yeah, because it's Chicago and the Clippers don't have any I
at least would really have to mould it over as much as you know,
I love Terrence Man absolutely, Yeah, for sure. And again the extension
thing, I don't know what can we offer Terrence. Is there anyone who's
watching who can put in the chat how much we can offer Terrence? I
don't have the can. That's fine. You want to google it? Yeah,
why don't you goggle it? Yeah? Uh, if you're listening to
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We got Chuck Mackler, we have Will Updyke, and we have a
lot of kind of a Motley crew or Popo rie of Clippers news this week.
Just weird stuff going on time. That's the first time that that word
has been said on this podcast. A Nerd rainbow rope of the first Nerds.
Yeah. Uh so each of Zubos got into a fight and we saw
the very end of it on TMZ. Yeah, him and Sarich. We're
having to throw hands at a club in Greece and the men fighting these two
NBA players, We're not the size of people you would think would fight NBA
players. That's what the alcohol comes in. Yes, and all the smoking,
a lot of smoking indoors over there. What could have possibly happened for
these people who have tried to fight Darius Sich. I'm on their side,
fully, I'm on Zoo side, and any fight is if you've ever been
around Zoo. He's not like I got something that might change your tongue.
Oh no. A bunch of people approached you and they said, grow your
fucking hand your hair out. No, He's like, I'll cut it right
now. He's got to grow the hair out if you're new to the stream.
We have a theory. I don't know if Adam's fully on board this,
but Will and I had a theory out locked on clips that if Zubots
grew his hair out or got an extensions or got a wig and had it
like shoulder length, he would get more foul calls. He snaps his head
back so much and he doesn't get calls. You, I think he's getting
more calls with the long hair. Hey guys, someone's saying, Kawhi will
have to play the four again next season if we get Levine. He's playing
the four right now? Yeah, who's playing the four? Okay? So
Hi? I think with Toomb's starting, you think Derek Jones Junior is starting
at the four. It's Kawhi Spencer saying man is eligible for roughly twenty two
million dollar extension. No idea if that's true, but we're using that as
a reference point. I think i'd give Zoo and Terrence both like four for
ninety Wait was long on hair, Zoo getting oh long hair, Zoo putting
up uh twenty six and thirteen. He's getting the mat whatever. I mean,
however much money we can give long hair Zoo did someone heckel Zoo at
the place, saying, like, I know the Clippers lost Paul George,
but you're still not getting thirty minutes a night this year. I he better
get thirty minutes a night. What I'm saying he has to our backup centers.
He got less last year than the year before. If Zoo doesn't get
thirty bitts a night, yeah, we're gonna be upset. Vencatta wants zach
Lavine, so Adam and Vancotta on the same side. There, Uh,
brandon Ingram. Don't think we can get both. I think Walker Kessler's staying
and Jeremy Grant, I don't know. I don't think we Portland doesn't want
anything that we have. Doesn't he make thirty five million? I'm pretty sure
he does. I don't. He got five years. One's sixty just last
season. So he's making so this year's twenty nine, and then thirty two,
then thirty four, and he has a player option for thirty six and
the summer of twenty twenty eight. He's making a lot, and they want
picks. They're still far away. Yeah, Will, Is there any NBA
player you would challenge to a fight if you were at a nightclub. Chris
Paul's short ass. I think Chris Paul's being here isn't either. How tall?
How's he going to reach me? He's probably as tall as you.
Well, he's a short next to he's six games, Yeah, that's the
NBA measurements. That's fair. He's five to three. Yeah. And Montrez
Harrall was six ten? What's he? And Daniel too? Ros shoes?
Did you guys? Uh? Did you guys read the Tres player's tribune piece.
I saw some of the highlights with the low lights with him talking about
Paul George. I thought he was fulling in the right with Paul George.
I was completely on Tress's side. Call him out. That's what we're trying
to be. A championship team. Oh, if that's what happened, I
agree. I think a lot of people are also speculating that Tres was the
one given secrets in that athletic report that came out right after that season.
I don't know, Well, maybe Paul George was. They said it was
clutch, it was a clutch hit job on Paul George. I don't know
if that was. I don't know. I love tres bring him back,
bring him back for the backup five said, he's still having trouble. You
don't correct me if I'm wrong. I haven't heard a lot of players on
their podcast or in other spaces say that, you know, Paul George is
like a teammate that you love to play for or play with. Ask Reggie,
Yeah, ask Patrick Patterson, Ask all his bad friends who came over
to the Reggie was good. Oh yeah, we didn't talk about this too
much. Scott Bossy, you should go by Scotty Bossy. Uh Will?
What did you think of the podcast? Podcast stuff? Didn't listen? Why
why would I listen? He's not even on our team. I gotta listen
to Draymond Green podcast too. I like every player's podcast. You didn't listen
when he was on the team. Well, yeah, it was a bad
podcast. I don't know. It just felt like he was just it's just
it's I don't know. I just saw the highlights, like I'm assuming the
majority of people did as well, Like I you know, I get it,
Like there's just no revelations, like I don't know, I've never watched
I've never watched her scene, like heard something from the podcast the episode and
been like, Wow, what a revelation. There was just a oh there
was we had a Kawhi, we have a quasi Kauai update. I well,
let's get it. Let's get it. Uh from home at natroyus Ohm
on Twitter asked Grant Hill if Kawhi Leonard's inflammation flared up or if he had
a setback. He didn't want to get into specifics other than saying USA Basketball
just felt we had to pivot and everyone gave it a try. Hill indicates
USA felt decision had to be made and helps Kawhi and Clippers guess feeling better
or worse? Worse is my immediate reaction. Yeah, I think if it
was all good, he would have been like, no, it's fine.
He just you know, Clippers wont playing for them. I don't know,
I don't know. I don't want to speculate. It's just I don't want
to speculate it. But I do want to jump off a bridge. The
one thing that came out one sunglasses on feed Up Cold Drinks. Derek Jones
Junior, James Harden lobs we are feeling good, folks, Let's with the
nine seed deflect from that pain with Paul George's podcast and talking about how he
said he was offered two for sixty. He didn't like that. If that
was the case, nobody can confirm something like that, but uh, well
someone could, but nobody's going to. Uh. Then he was eventually offered
the one fifty, and he said something to the effect of, well,
now we're in the ballpark, when he had already said, just give me
what Kawhi got. You guys value us the same, right, But then
it sounded like when they did give him what Kawhi got, he didn't want
to do it without a no trade clause, which Kawhi did not get,
which is a poisoned pill in that like in the NBA, no, like
nobody gets those anymore, and anytime a player does, it's pretty widely regarded
as a bad deal. And it's by default you get one if you're traded
like whatever. But like, no, he's used. I know, I
just like don't. I don't care. It's Lebron and Bradley Beal that have
no trade clauses. That's it. That is it. I can understand after
what happened with Blake asking for it, but I can also understand the Clippers
not giving it because I think about these things. I think the Blake situation,
It's like they didn't go into that contract negotiation and signing him saying,
oh, we're gonna trade him in six months. They saw how things materialized,
they saw him deteriorating with his health, and they knew they had to
get out of this sooner than later. So I when Steve Balmer tells Paul
George he wants him to be a Clipper for life, It's like, well,
I do think he meant that, but if the circumstances start to change,
you have to be flexible and change with them, just like Paul George
and want the championship, So you need a tradeable contract. That's what happened.
I like this quote from Starman Hove. Don't even try to find logic
in a PG quote. If he was hurt about the two for sixty,
if that was real and therefore he wanted more than Kawhi and was bitter because
of that, I still don't love it. Like, first of all,
weren't all the reports as we were talking about this for months, didn't we
all assume that the three for one fifty was there during the season as well?
We did assume that, Yes, well, I mean I believe that
he made I believe that they got there, and it was just the like
the NTC thing I think is, I just think it's an insane ask.
I understand it from the player's perspective, obviously, why would you take less
money if you can't control your destination? I mean I understand it from his
perspective one hundred percent. But from from the perspective of the Clippers, like,
it just doesn't it doesn't make sense in it and it just wasn't warranted
it, you know, it wasn't warranted Despite him having a really efficient season,
he again missed a large swath of the season. He again like he
again did not look the same when he came back from that injury. Like
well, remember we speculated when he was really struggling in January and February for
two straight months he averaged in her twenty points per game. We thought he's
either hurt or the contract negotiation stuff maybe is getting to him, or a
big baby. And he did say on the podcast that, yeah, it
affected his play. There was an emotional side to it. Now regarding that
text about Kawhi being the number one option, yeah, the first thing I
thought, And I tweeted this out right afterwards with the clip of him saying,
if you value us the same, I said, the problem is you
didn't value yourself the same. You didn't. It's one thing to be the
one A or one B, the one B I guess to Kawhi's one A.
It's another to kind of out of nowhere, unprompted, just make the
point that, oh, I'm the number two, just so you guys know,
I'm the number two. Was anyone asking if you were the number two?
I don't, I don't get it. We got another Kawhi tweet update
that this will be the last one. La Murray ran into Kawai. He's
in good spirits, found out yesterday that his USA run would be cut short,
but still planning on getting some work in before he leaves to get ready
for fall. Also, he says he's never cutting his hair. Lo o
L. I'm back on the board clippers eighty two and oh see you at
the chip end of stream. No, does that you got Put the word
out. Put the word out everybody. That's funny. Dallas Rutherford also kind
of apologized in his way, I don't give a ship if if you're never
heard of him social media guru Dr Bro the Dallas Uh Yeah, I don't
care. I I just look. I think Paul George is a really nice
guy. A good guy means well. I will be rooting for Paul George
moving forward unless he's playing the Clippers, will you? But I completely understand
from both sides. Nobody's a victim here. They couldn't strike a deal,
they couldn't find common ground. That's okay. It doesn't mean anybody won the
negotiation or loss the negotiation. They could both win the negotiation. They could
both lose the negotiation. I think they both won in this scenario. I
agree to be honest with you, like I, I think they both won.
There's just the max. The max wasn't gonna happen. It doesn't make
sense to extend Paul George with that amount of money past Kawai's timeline. It
doesn't make sense for them to give him a no trade clause just in case
things did go sour, whether you intended to keep him at three for fifty
or not. And after five seasons, I just feel like that's enough of
a sample size. Like look man, even with a young team like let's
say look at Oklahoma City right now, even hoping that they have four more
years in this run, I still think is you know, that's about the
max, Like, that's really about all you can hope for. It's like
five years of a championship window. That's long as hell in this league.
And it just wasn't gonna happen. And it wasn't gonna happen this year with
you know, with PG and certainly not without him. But I think that
they both won this negotiation. Do you guys feel any better or worse about
them not signing Paul George or resigning him based upon what we heard today regarding
Kawhi? Because if anything, I'm like, well, if Kawhi is not
going to be available or still dealing with this, what does it matter If
they have Paul George? They can't win it. I mean that was my
thing. We know, we I don't want to go I look, I've
seen a lot of the movies. I've seen a lot of movies multiple times.
I do not want to go to that movie again, you know what
I mean. I've heard this phrase multiple It's not Joe Dirt, right,
It's not Ocean's eleven it's not Remember the Titans. I don't want to see
that movie again. I don't want to see Paul George be like, Wow,
this is great and we can't trade him, and we just suck ass,
and then we have to pay more attention to his podcast. No,
he's also a loser, Like, I'm really glad that he's not on the
team for that fact, he is a loser. It was really hard to
defend him so much. Man, we fought in the trenches of the Paul
George Army, and I am so glad to be relieved of duty. I
think, yeah, it was hard. Light No is that his mixed messaging
And there was a new one on the pod right after the season or during
the year, when they got James Harden. He said, this is great.
I can do more of the dirty work stuff, some of the little
stuff, the role player stuff, to make up for the loss of Batoum
and Roco. I can show off my defensive acumen. And then when the
season was over he started talking about how you know, we lost Batoom and
Roco and all of a sudden, Kawhi and I have to do the dirty
work. It's just like my guy. It's recorded it's on tape. People
are gonna use that against you. And he dressed up a wall though he
doesn't know what's going on. He's he's right here, He's not out here.
He's an A. There's there's a to b people, and there's a
B C to d people, A to beer and and to to address the
thing too. Because people are wonderful basketball people are saying, did we choose
to build the wrong around the wrong guy? And I have to be honest
with you. If it came down to letting Paul George walk or even letting
injured Kawhi walk, I would have rather kept Kawhi. Like I get that
it's a very slim chance that he's going to play in a postseason. Again,
well, George could be hurt too. I'll still like our odds a
little bit better in the theoretical healthy postseason with Kawhi rather than George. And
guess what. When Kawhi plays, he plays like a top five player.
When Paul George plays, he may be a top ten player. He may
be a top forty player. I don't know what you're getting that night he
does when he's on the court, Kawhi Leonard takes on the responsibility of being
the leader in the number one option always and for this quote right here,
and we're probably gonna end on this, and then a positive thing for Adam.
Supposedly he has a special speech, Edwards saying I don't trust GAUI saying
healthy anymore insanity. No one's trusting it. We're just here, man,
no one is believing Edward. What's the option? I want him to be
healthy. I don't think he's going to be. I'm saying at this point,
I'm more inclined to believe that Kawhi will not play another postseason with the
Clippers. Then he will win a first round series with the Clippers. But
hey man, this is where we're at. We're gonna make the best of
it. Let's have some fun, guys, Let's have some fun. Kick
your feet up. Adam might be on have fun island now. I think
he might be. It depends on how you define it. Fun is having
some building blocks and no real expectations and a defensive team with some guys who
can jump out of the gym. I mean, I don't hate it.
I guess my point of positivity doesn't quite fly in the face of that.
But if you guys listen to this show. You know, typically Chuck will
throw it to me at the very end, and I'll pull something out of
my ass that's positive after maybe some real negative topics and difficult topics, because
anything is topical. We will get into here on clips and Dip no matter
how tough it is, sometimes, no matter what mood were in, I
just if you guys will allow me to ran for a second. I just
have real concerns and don't want this two to one three experience to make Clipper
Nations shy away and be afraid to fail or something. Because I've been hearing
this for two years now from people that they liked it more when they were
just the little engine that could team, the good job, good effort team,
a lovable loser type of team, the twenty eighteen twenty nineteen team that
took Golden State to six games. I don't want you to be in that
safe space of not having to worry about underachieving. Like if anything, I
want the disappointment to make you hungrier. This two and three era to make
you feel like you were close, to make you feel like you were robbed
and you had something taken from you. Because of bad luck and injuries,
and if anything, I'm hoping, I'm hoping this will motivate you to want
the Slippers to win even more. It doesn't mean there are gonna be some
you know, lean years, there will be some that's part of the journey
or next season. Look, sometimes the forest gets overgrown, a natural fire
restores order. These are all part of the Circle Sports team. And I
also agree with Giannis when he got into it with that reporter and said there's
steps along the way, and every season you didn't win isn't necessarily a failure
when those lessons could very well set you on that path to being a championship
team down the line. But you got to accept heartbreak. And I know
you've been through a lot of eclipernation, the ridicule, the doubters, the
detractors, the naysayers, the trolls, all of it. But you have
to deal with that if you want the glory of getting to the top of
the mountain at some point and the respect that comes with it. If it's
not a bubble bring uh. No, No one said. No one said
it was gonna be easy. If it would, it wouldn't taste so sweet.
I mean think about it. If it was harder for Kevin Durant,
maybe he wouldn't be arguing and trying to justify his legacy on Twitter all the
time winning those two rings with Golden State. There's no sweet without the sour.
There's no shortcuts to fulfillment. Just I don't want to see anyone get
comfortable with playing it safe where your championship is a twenty point comeback during the
regular season against an elite team on the road in January, an opponent that
has their eyes on a bigger prize. I don't want you to accept being
the spoiler or just nipping at the heels of giants in this league. The
Clippers are in the big leagues now. They're a destination franchise, a legit
threat long term. Long term, they have Steve Balmer. Now is not
the time to retreat and back away from that responsibility because you have the owner
and he's competitive as hell in Steve Balmer, and it's only been a decade
with him. They've already taken leaps and bounce forward. Keep going. You
have to endure pain along the way. It will be worth it. Someday
it will be continue to go forward and strive to be a championship organization,
and then you could say you were there from the ground floor the first championship.
Ever, it will be meaningful. Now. It doesn't mean the front
office should go out and be reckless and just spend to go over the second
apron for Wiggins. A hip wouldn't wouldn't be over the second apron and you
get a first round pick. It doesn't mean you're just foolish like that just
to appear like you're trying to win this season when we know if they made
a trade with Golden State for Paul George to get Wiggins and Moody, it
doesn't really do much for you. Just put you in cap hell. Sure,
it just means stay ready for the opportunity because there could be one long
term just like the one we just went through, which in many ways in
the two and three era was good process. Bringing it guy fresh off of
Finals MVP and a guy who just finished top three in MVP voting a defensive
Player of the Year voting. Look in other tidelines on Earth two, three,
four, and five a universe without Joe Ingles, there's a great chance
that move leads to a ring or two. The universe without Joe Ingles has
already evolved past the space that needs basketball to entertain themselves. I'm just saying,
just because two point three in that era ultimately failed mostly because of things
outside of their control with injuries, does not mean that they are cursed or
destined to fail. Or you should be afraid to dip your toe back in
the water and get scared of championship expectations because they could crush you. Get
back on the grind, find a way. Do not let unfortunate luck over
the last five years deter you from staying the course. Tend to a dome
now is as a fan, obviously stick with the team if you if you
leave, now, come on. It's also a great time to pick a
random favorite player, pick a random favorite guy who might with the team for
a while. Well, counterpoints to Adam, give us the negative side of
that, what you get twice as much time? No, I mean,
I'd say, like, can we just get back to having some fun with
it, like talking about that's where we are. I'm talking about good process.
It's important for the team, but it's like also just an important reset
for fans, Like let's just get back to doing our thing, talking our
shit, having a fun time, like you know, we don't need to
worry about like the crushing defeat or anything. But it doesn't mean that this
team can't do shit. Like that was what was so exciting about eighteen nineteen.
It's like that there was a little bit of belief, like, yes,
I was insane enough to think it's not crazy to think they could get
out of this series with the Warriors, and that's what's fun. But you
have to enjoy the little steps around along the way. So we tripped up
like it's fine, like we're gonna We're gonna keep on going. I say
it all all the time, but if ownership is the biggest advantage in sports,
and the Clippers clearly have an advantage with Steve Palmer, they do,
they do, and you do have to appreciate the journey and all parts of
it, as rough as the last five years have been. My central point
is I just don't want everyone clamoring for, oh I miss the old Clippers
when we were just trying to get above five hundred that season, because at
some point, if you're gonna win a championship, you have to deal with
these expectations and sometimes the failures that come with them, like we've seen the
last five years, it's all part of it. It sucks, it's tough,
but it's the only way. And look at the turnaround that those two
years brought, Like in two years, just an insane turnaround for those team.
It didn't ultimately end up successful, but like that's exciting to think where
we could be two years from this. It's gonna be Chip City, some
would say Chip of the Summer possibly. I'm excited for this season. It's
gonna be to watch Cam Christy in Summer League. We hope Kobe Brown looks
good. Like we're gonna be an annoying ass team that's defensive and that rules.
We talked about getting more wings they brought back, but toom that became
official today. Derek Jones Junior did some social media on the Clippers X account.
These guys, Yeah, it's gonna be fun watching them. It's gonna
be a good time. There's gonna be lobs for days. We do some
photoshops and some hard hats. You know. Yeah, I'm excited to see
the schedule release video because the only players in it are probably gonna be Kobe
Brown and Cam Christy I want to see zoo bots exploited to the fullest extent
good way. I want them to spam a Vita zobots and him being a
hub on offense. And you're getting more touches. You spelled exploit with three
x's when you said that, I need Big Zoo to finally be fully unleashed.
No more big plumb, Now we need big Zoo. I think got
about the NBA's first one hundred point game, the first one. That's Scott
on tape. Why is there no footage? No, only first one,
the early first one. All right, that about wraps it up. We
gotta go. I mean TMOSA plays Canada. I hope, we hope we
beat those Canucks. Yeah, we'll be back probably next week. I don't
know if we're gonna do a Friday show. We talked about a bunch of
good stuff. If anything crazy happens, we'll hop on again. We'll be
back next week. Adam or you did this positivity thing? Will Where can
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you look like you have something you want to say before we get out
of here. Where's the dips today? Boys? It was impromptu. It's
a lie. I didn't have either, so I'm happy. We'll talk to
everybody later. And it's always like, well,