Welcome to Spacing Out with Bob and Jason this week covering Battlestar Galactica season four,
episode two six of one. Welcome back. I'm Babe and I'm Jason,
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we won't be spoiling anything past this episode, which is Battlestar Galactica season four,
episode two six of one. This aired on April eleventh, two thousand
and eight. Good Year, written by Michael and Jelly, directed by Anthony
Hemingway. The survivor counts thirty nine thousand, six hundred and seventy six.
That is down twenty two people from last time. Sad Where do they go?
I don't know what happened last time that the we started that big battle
last time was at it? Maybe? In this episode, after being locked
in the brig, Starbuck is eventually given a ship and a crew via Dama
to search for Earth. Tori visits Baltar to seek answers about the final Cylon
Apollo departs for his new role in the government, and a division among the
Cylon fleet escalates to violence. Vibe check. Did we like the episode overall?
How does it stand the test of time? All right? Vibe check?
I thought it was okay, okay, Yeah, not my favorite.
I wasn't too engaged. There was a lot of dialogue, not a lot
of action, except with Guias and Tori. That was a scene that was
in the show. A lot of feet. There's a lot of feats,
So if you like feet, it's a fun episode. Oh yeah, that's
this good episode. It was fine. He's got us through. We're one
step closer. It did its job. Yeah, yeah, I don't I
don't know what else to say about it. We liked it fine, so
it passes the vibe check. Yeah, very few episodes passed. I mean,
very few episodes don't pass the vibe check. But I remember when Apollo
was like being a bad bad boy and he had that hooker girlfriend who was
also like a mother. That was really weird episode. Yeah. I mean
it's not always like pail right, right, Like what were the vibes?
Yeah, now look at him using the government. Politicians have passed trivia time
what facts could we uncover for six of one? So a neat trivia,
A little bit of trivia. So the episode's name six of one appears to
be a play off the idiom six of one, half a dozen or the
other, which means that two presented choices are equal and it does no matter
which one you choose. I've never heard of that some white people ship six
of one half of a dozen of the other. Never heard that. No,
that is that is a white saying that is European. Sure, well
it's sound like I get it. It's like the same thing. What you
say it one way, you say it the other it's the same thing.
Well, what's it in reference to here? I don't know, chickens?
Is it a dama choosing like to believe Starbuck versus rosalind? So this episode
reveals three Psylon model numbers, which I didn't realize. We didn't know these
before this. I think we've mentioned them before thinking about it, but it's
not really a spoiler spoiler. We knew they had numbers. Yeah, the
Cavils are number one, the Owens number two, and the Simons are number
four. And they're all men. Yes, just pointing that out dude,
I guess the others. So Dianna, who's not around right now, is
number three, Thoral's five, number five, and then we know number six.
There's no seven that we know of, and then number eight is the
Boomers, the Boomers Modern Yeah anyway, um okay, So a deleted scene
reveals that Boomer and one of the Cavil models are in a romantic relationship,
which is why she is why she broke ranks in order to support him in
a boat. What a what an asshole? But since that scene was cut
in the broadcast episode, the only indication of this is the scene in which
Boomer is shown dancing or exercising, showing her tai chi thing naked in front
of Cavil. I didn't see that. I wish I would have seen that.
Well, you should have been paying attention. And that's all I got
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I'm glad we know the order of the people now. And yeah, because
that helps me remember their voting situation too. Yeah, so there they have
three verses three basically because they don't have seven models. Now they box that
guy. Oh, Deanna, Lucy lass Zina, we should watch Dena.
I remember watching Bits and Pieces as a kid, but never like getting into
the show, And I feel like it would be very like Buffy esque,
where I'm like, oh, that's a good show from the nineties. Weird.
We watch a lot of stuff from the nineties. Oh you don't want
to watch Tina. I don't know. I'm scared of TV commitments. Oh
yeah, fair, All right, what do you want to talk about?
Well, so, I guess we start off picking up on the cliffhanger with
Starbuck and Rosalind. They're like just measuring their dicks at each other in this
episode and they're trying to figure out who's Adama gonna trust, and he goes
with Starbuck at the end, who would you go with? Well, he
kind of like he's splitting his bet. Yeah, is he doing? What
did we call it? The six of one half a dozen eich other six
of one, half a dozen of the other. That's a long saying.
I feel like a scene is short six of one and half a dozen of
the other. It's six anyway you cut it exactly. So he's splitting his
decision and he's like, I'm not gonna tell Laura that I let Starbuck go,
but I'm gonna let Starbuck buck. He was drinking a lot in this
episode and they talked about it. Yeah. Yeah, that was like a
really real conversation that they got into with the Doma and Roslin in his quarters.
Yeah, because like they're both just like laying the truth on each other.
Yeah, what's her truth? I forgot? Um. Well, she
tells him that like he's scared to lose Starbuck, he's scared to live alone
because he's like Lee is leaving the ship and oh yeah, all this,
and then he lays on her that she's scared of dying alone and that her
death is gonna be as meaningless as everyone else is, that she's not the
leader, the one true leader. I was a fleet. Okay, that
was her thing. Okay, I didn't realize that was her thing, but
that he's like, you just want to die with meaning, which is like,
yeah, why not, rude? I want to live for something and
die for something as well if I choose that, Like why not? Wow,
Bill, you're really drunk. But I did feel like Starbuck had some
good points when she was confronting Rosalind about like putting herself out there and going
to some planet with for a fucking narrow Yeah, like I believed you on
a vision that you had and I have them Rosalind. Rosalind's like, no,
girl, it's about me. You can't be vision girl too, dick
measurin. I'm telling you. I think Rosalind is scared if she if it
turns out that Starbucks right, then like what meaning this her? What's her
role in this? If she's not this dying leader, who's the one that's
going to lead them to her? Right? So you can always be a
supportive like ally and be like, you know what, maybe she's right,
Maybe women support women. No, I think she's gonna just dig her heels
in and be like no, I'm losing my hair, damn it. I
don't know. Maybe this is like some sort of analogy for the old getting
out of the way of the young, And they did that with the Cylons
too in this episode a little bit where they're like having a meeting and they're
like, we want to go to war or I don't know why they were
upset they're lobotomizing robots though I don't know about that, because we put chips
on our ship and we try to put safeties, but robots still like beat
up little kids. Did you hear about that chess robot that like accidentally knocked
around to like a seven year old or something, Well, chess gets for
serious. That's real life. So you think robots can be contained, man,
they can't do that. Now. It is interesting that the Cylons have
kind of differing views on the Raiders and the Centurions. It shouldn't be like,
I don't like this idea of a hierarchy just because I talk, I
have more like power over you, and I choose whether or not you have
free will. Rude. They're discussing whether they're like tools and machines or they're
sentiate and right, like the fur of them is kind of like pets sometimes.
Well yeah, well we treat our pets without really thinking about their needs
or wants in a lot of ways because it's like our house. So I
can see both sides of it, I guess, But the like, the
part of me is like if they're able to have free will and they're not
hurting you because you're harm and you're all in harmony and you get along and
you're all robots together, and you're like, hey, dude, we have
a plan to fly over here and raid. Would you do that? Like
it should be voluntary. What if some raider wants to be like a painter
and he's like, nah, I'm gonna go paint over here, or a
dancer or something else. They want to dress up and be alive too,
you know, and they want to shoot people once they find out that you're
like lobotomizing my homies. I can feel their pain of finding out, Like,
oh, just because you see us as this, you think you can
control us. You put this microchip in us, or you literally like cut
into our bodies because they are made out of flesh, and you like rip
things from our minds so that we are more like malleable to you. That's
not cool. I don't like that. I feel like, if they want
to hurt people and they want to be in war with the humans, they
should totally be allowed to do that, but they should have a choice as
to how they do it. Whatever, kill humanity, but get on the
same page for real. They don't even know if they want to hang out
with the humans or help them, or if they want to kill all humans.
I don't know. These robots are all over the place and they think
they can vote their way through it. Yeah, and apparently it just takes
on one Cylon like voting against their model to turn the tides of the vote.
Yeah, I mean campaign she campaigned, like number six came back and
she's like, well, I decided to like free my people. She was
a very white savior in that moment, and she's like, I got like,
I gave them free will and they don't like what you're doing to their
friends, which is also a political tactic. It's interesting though, because when
we know that. I thought it was interesting that the Cylon men that were
in the room when she came in with the centurion, they all like ran
away from their table. Yeah. I thought that was so interesting because it's
like they had a seat at the table. That's the what you see literally,
like unfiguratively, they have a seat at the table. They hold the
upper hand, but then they run away from it as soon as a challenge
comes forward that like says this power does not belong to you. Because they
could have sat down and been like okay, we'll stop lobotomizing them. We
will do whatever you want. They don't they don't value their lives enough to
negotiate, but then they value their lives enough to run away from death.
So it's interesting, like how cowardly they were on both fronts to me,
Like what I saw, what I felt in that moment when I saw them
get gunned down, when I wish the Centurions did something else or they were
like given a moment just like speak, Oh my god, could you imagine
if they spoke just like in a robot voice. I don't think these ones
speak well. They spoke with their gun. So that's interesting. Yeah,
and I wonder what's going to happen with them later. Like that was really
interesting as a plot point for me because I like to see the Cylon world.
Yeah, and this is the first time we've we've just had scenes on
the Cylon ship that didn't involve like Baltar being there or no Tina or whatever,
Like we're just we're just cutting over there and having a storyline there.
We also had Cylons on Galactica scheming and talking about their situation. Yep,
they have their regular little book club meetups. Chief couldn't get callied a bed
and soon enough go to sleep jelly. Then they joke about it. I
think about like throwing Tory at Baltart as a sexual treat to like get information
out of him. Is that right? Am I wrong? Um? Didn't
he say something about like not throwing you at him? Like? Yeah?
Well she they say like, you don't have to go like sleep with him
or anything. I think she does so in place that was her choice.
I just don't I don't understand why she had to. Like, but I
think she's falling for this idea of Baltar being like this miracle worker and she's
gonna it seems like she's one of the groupies. Now, yeah, she's
I think some of the stuff he's saying is speaking to her right with her
Cylon ears because he's in love with a cylon. He's always loving on cylons.
I'm telling you, how come he hasn't noticed that there's spines turn red.
I will never forget that. Just do it doggie style, dude,
just to make sure she's not a cylon and if she is, just keep
going. Now you know, maybe that's why they choose the missionary position.
And then he started being a missionary in the position I could not. I'm
like, can you not right now? Like she's crying, She's like whatever,
I'm just this is what I do. That's kind of horrifying if you
cry every time you have sex. A little bit. I like that.
He was nice about it. He's like, you're just full of emotion,
baby, let me fill you up some more. Then, and then he
talks about being there's one God, and she's like one God mid thrust,
I'm in a highly emotional state, so it's a good time to evangelize.
Yeah, let's talk about Jesus. I guess some people do say, oh
my god, oh my god. But haven't we seen her have sex with
Andanders. I don't remember. I think she's doing any crying. Then,
No, she wasn't. You're right, she was just putting on her pants
and going back to work. Oh well, maybe she's all mixed up,
don't know what to do? All right, What else do you want to
talk about? Or is that the episode? I mean, so when Starbuck
is in the jail, Celle in the brig, oh god, she's all
for that dirty ass floor. They gave her a cot, right, and
she just chooses to be on the fucking floor. What the hell is wrong
with her? It's just being Starbucks. God, she's so dramatic. No,
just kidding. She also gets a dama, gets physical with her and
pushes her to the floor, which is not the first time he's done that
either. It's this not the first time that she's been a Cylon. Well,
what was the last time he did that? For? He did that
when Starbuck and Tie were like sowing discontent among all the crew, and he
like he pushed her out of her chair when she teamed up with old man
Tie. Yeah, they were drinking buddies. I kept trying to remember the
scene where he throws her throws her on the ground. I can't recall.
Oh well, but I do remember her hooking up with Saloon, being like,
what the hell? What an unlikely pair. They hate each other,
they haven't talked to each other in a while, but that's because he's like
team Cylon and he's like, do you think she's a cilon? Trying us
suss it out? Do we invite Kara to the party or not? Yeah,
So he throws her on the ground, but then he is upset about
it later, he's really upset about it. Yeah, and Lee also comes
and visits her in the cell, and I just thought that was like reminiscent
of the first meeting of them that we see in the show. She is
in the brig for punching Colonel Tie well yeah, well yeah, and then
they kiss, Yeah they do. I'm tired of them. And then later
at his sindoff, we finally get the CD for the first time in this
season. I think maybe she's been in the CIC doing her job, but
she hasn't had any screen time dial I don't think shedding dialogue in this either.
She might have, No, she didn't think her eyes just gleam.
Yeah, we're like, oh yeah, you guys are like separated, right,
And she got the house yeah, which good for her, girl,
like you take that house, and the pilots had a big, big party
send off Lee as well. What else is there to talk about? I
can't. I mean, we talked about the whole episode now right. Yeah.
I wanted to point out that they're eating all that green food, and
I believe that's because they're eating the algae that they harvested from that planet.
Oh, I hope they get salt or pepper. I think they just because
it looked so prepare it, however, they can. I think it's mostly
protein, yeah stuff. Yeah, I guess at the end, a damas
given Starbuck a ship and a crew, the ship ship and a Hilo.
Yeah, the Stewart ship. That's exciting for them. Well, I'm interested
to see Earth. I wonder if they're going to see like a pterodactyl.
I don't know what time from Lime could when they arrive. You don't know,
you've never seen this show before. Well, I forget, you don't
remember the episodes we covered before after I'm sorry. I know I watched it
and I liked it. It was fun, but I can't recall. That's
why I watched Ship's Creek every once in a while, because I forgot all
about it. All right, Well, then, should we move on to
the astral queen. Astral queen who was the standout character in the episode?
Oh shit, I haven't even thought of my astral queen. Oh it's gonna
be. I think mine's gonna be. I don't want to give it to
number six, but I want to give it to like the revolution that she's
starting, you know what I mean? Yeah? Can I give it to
the centurions for being like waking up and then being like that's fucked up and
acting on it. Because sometimes when I wake up in the morning with my
full prewilled mind, I see things and I see and I say to myself,
what the fuck that's fucked up, and I don't do anything about it,
And I think it's really brave of them to be like action. Now.
Yeah, I'm gonna give it to the Cylons centurion silence. Okay,
that's never happened before. I guess there's no no rule that says a centurion
can't be an astral queen. They get my vote, they get to vote
in my revolution. I'm gonna pick the admiral on this one. The admiral.
Admiral drinks a lot. Yeah, he drank a lot. He partied
even He's like, I drank a lot at that party, so I need
to drink more. He partied, he was He was really struggling with his
children, Starbuck and Lee, Yeah, those little incestuous fox and he had
to deal with Laura Roslin in his head. Yeah, you get out of
my head. He had to drop some hard truths on her. But then
he had to like really like make the decision of what to do about Starbuck,
and I think he actually came up with a pretty good solution. Yeah,
let her go in the ship ship so yeah, that's gonna be a
dumb uh. And the toasters, Yeah, I think that's a derogatory term,
but yeah, rude. I could have with chrome dome, chrome dome.
Rude. All right, Well, that does it for the main part
of the episode. We're gonna go into the spoiler section after this. Okay,
let's do it, spoil it. We will see you next time.
For the episode The Ties that Bind, well kinky. Yeah, I wonder
if cal and number, um, what is her number of Sharon, They're
gonna be there so nasty make it's Tori and her feet, Tori and her
feet. There is a lot of nudity and suggestive things in this episode.
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two one, Who's Natalie Atalie Portman? No? Um, Natalie, I
just wrote that because the number six we've been seeing his name Natalie, and
she continues to be a character through the season representing the number six is as
they go into a Cylon civil war. Yeah, we love those in America.
We're still cutting over the last one. Sad but true. Yeah.
We also Cavil in this. He's he's so against the Cylon well, yeah,
because he really wants to keep the Final five thing under wraps, because
he is the one that imprisoned the Final five. Oh, get over it,
give you so. When he's sitting there arguing that, like, you
know, the programmers, you know, thought it was unsafe for them to
know about the Final five, that's really just him. He's the programmers,
and the programmers told me that I can have ice cream for dinner. Okay,
cattle? Also I get two votes at every table. Yeah, I
don't like cattle. He's a jerk and a creepy dude. Creepy, creepy
creepings. I don't think he has any fun ever, mate, what I
mean? He has fun with Sharon, and he has fun with um Um
Tie, Colonel Tie's wife, Yeah, who's also a Cylon. And when
she finds out that he's the piece of shit that made her live the life
that she's been living. She's gonna get it from her. I think that's
his biggest fear. Out of all of the cylons that are cylons. She's
got the most to like gain by like put bringing him down. But I
don't think they get into all that well what we learned when we do finally
get the reveal that Ellen Tie is the fifth final Cylon, Like she's she's
with Cavil somewhere right now, Like when she died, she was rebooted with
him. Yeah, she was resurrected and she's been hanging out. I would
hate that. I'd be so pissed at him for what he did to me
in my last body. Yeah, and then they find Earth as a barren
landscape. Yeah, so does Starbuck come back with her tail between her legs.
They don't have the clearest memory on how all this happens. I think
Starbuck and her crew like come back with not much the show, and it's
her her viper, the one that she returned in like starts receiving some signal
from Earth. I think that's how they end up getting there. Oh,
the real Earth, the nice one. No, the Barren one. Oh
the one with what was it called? Has is it called nuclear holocaust?
That's our future, y'all probably really real? All right, well that's fun.
Yeah, I don't know. This episode like it makes me excited for
what's to come with all these story arcs, with those going out on the
ship Starbucks taking like Hilo and Anders and Athena and Gaida. Gata. Yeah,
it's this where he dies. This is where he gets really really bitter.
Oh, I love a bitter bitch. I think gets injured. He
loses part of his leg. Oh no, I love a bitter bitch with
a little disability. And he's he's really like particularly mad at Starbuck because you've
been pissed at her Starbuck one, and like she was on that council that
wanted to put him to death for collaborating, right, he don't forget I
love He's like, oh, now I'm supposed to believe you. Fuck you
bitches. Yeah. And then there's also there's going to be like a we'll
put of an uprising on Galactica as well, and Gata and Tom's Eric are
at the head of that. Oh, Gada, absolutely. They brought Tom
Zeric back into the fold, But we didn't see him this episode to be
no, it didn't know I'm thinking of they mentioned them. Yeah, they
alluded to him. So yeah, we're you're a couple episodes in now cruising
right along. Well that was fun. We'll see you all next time for
The Ties that Bind, So say we all, So say we all.
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