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Thank you for listening to Pictures Media
Radio. Welcome to Policy and Rights,

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the show about the government policy and
human rights. Welcome back to bolising rates.

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Here in Depictions Media Radio, I'm
your host Michael Kloggs. And in

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this uh next few segments where what
we've heard is that because of bad actors

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and admit the concern the impact of
growing numbers of international students are having on

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the housing market. Immigration Administer Mark
Miller announced Monday that the federal government will

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cap the number of students student permits
over the next two years. Their claim

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is that the number of students has
actually impacted the housing market itself, and

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that they need to cut back because
of other various bad actors. And they

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will be reviewing and have the provinces
revealing different schools to see who has been

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acting in good faith in really been
bringing students in on temporary visas and who

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has not. So sounds a bit
a bit weird, but okay. So

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on the critical side, we're gonna
hear from Pierre Poulvier, who said that

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the program was flawed to begin with, that when Justin Trudeau created the the

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foreign student program of itself, that
he was giving too many liberties and it

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was flawed and that now Justin Trudeau
has realized his mistake and now he's retreating

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back from it, creating another set
of flawed policies to be put in place.

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And so we're gonna hear from Mark
Miller, and we also gonna hear

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from other UH various UH cabinet members
about what is happening in the world,

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including UH Melan Nijolli. We're gonna
hear from her speaking about relationships with other

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foreign governments, including the United States
because of well, once again we're hearing

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from Donald Trump as Donald Trump is
saying that he wants to cut ties with

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so many countries and US being his
neighbors center North that he's talking about limited

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relationships with the Canada on top of
that, so all of we UH listen

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to UH what happened at the retreat
and from Pero Porfier as he makes a

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statement to criticizing the Liberal government mhm. But about the massage Clark are truly

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about nord Vault and I was saying, we need to do the thing in

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the right way, you know,
and I know that I trust the company

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is going to do that. I
know they're working with the government of Quebec.

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But that being said, I just
want to say this is a generational

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opportunity for Quebec, for Canada.
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is a Swedish company which has a
very deep commitment for the environment, for

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the people and for communities. And
I've been talking to them, so I'm

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very confident because what we have achieved. The our goal for Quebec was really

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to make Quebec part of the auto
sector in Canada. That's a big win.

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Quebec was not part of the auto
sector before, and not only as

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part of the auto sector, but
it's not part of the electric vehicle manufacturing,

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which I think is in line with
the values of Quebecer. We want

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it to be in the industry of
the future. This is one it's in

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line with the values, it's in
line with the objective of protecting the environment

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and I want Quebec to put the
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brief. So I was saying that, you know, we you have the

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team here that knows how to deal
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before, We've negotiated the North American
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should trust those who have done that. That president Trump, mister Freelan,

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mister Julie, I think at the
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so we know how to do things. You know, we've done that before

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and today because of the strategic investment, we've integrated our supply chain more than

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ever on biomanufacturing in the auto sector, in semiconductor. Just take the speech

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of President Biden when he was in
the House of Commons. So I think

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that these are are very significant because
if our economy was integrated at the time,

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it's even more integrated today. So
millions of jobs. And one thing

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that I think, uh, President
former President Trump understand is jobs and now

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jobs depend millions of jobs depend on
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So uh that economic integration, I
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for for the future. And with
that, I have to go because I'm

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told the Prime Minister is coming.
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get to jogging on a I want
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the man can you, Uh,
the international students are a valuable asset,

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uh to this country. They are
bright young individuals that enrich our communities and

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bring significant social, cultural, and
economic benefits. They deserve the best.

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They deserve world class academic experiences that
they sought out and hoped for, and

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Canada's renowned for that. Sadly,
this has not always been the case.

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It's unacceptable that some private institutions have
taken advantage of international students by operating under

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resourced campuses, lacking supports for students, and charging high tuition fees, all

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the while significantly increasing their intake of
international students. Do limit satire le di

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Province and next. Today I am
announcing three principal measures. One a temporary

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two year cap on new international student
permits. It is the latest in a

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series of measures to improve program integrity
and set international students up for the success.

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In order to maintain a sustainable level
of temporary residence in Canada, as

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well to ensure that there is no
further growth in the number of international students

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in Canada for twenty twenty four,
we are setting a national application intake cap

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for a period of two years for
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expected to result in approximately three hundred
and sixty four thousand approved study permits,

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a decrease of thirty five percent from
twenty twenty three. In the spirit of

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fairness, we are also allocating the
cap space by province based on population,

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such as that some provinces will see
much more significant reductions. Will continue to

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work closely with those provinces and territories
to put these measures into place, as

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they will be responsible for determining how
the CAP is distributed between its designated learning

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institutions that they have jurisdiction over.
I've had productive conversations, in particular with

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British Columbia and Ontario already, and
we all recognize that more needs to be

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done to protect the integrity of our
system while supporting international students. In addition,

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defective immediately applicants must provide a provincial
attestation with their study permit application.

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At the same time, the cap
will not apply to students in graduate levels

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I've studied, including masters and doctoral
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Study permanent applications at the elementary and
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and LGBT or permit travail to repeat. As of September first of this year,

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postgraduate work permits will no longer be
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Thirdly, in the coming weeks,
we will be announcing that open work permits

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will only be allowed and be available
to spouses of international students enrolled in masters

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and doctoral programs, as well as
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Spouses of international students enrolled in other
levels of study, including undergraduate and college

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programs, will no longer be eligible. To be clear, the cap will

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not applied applicants within Canada looking to
extend their studies, as it wouldn't be

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fair to prevent someone from finishing the
program, nor will the cap have an

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effect on study permit holders currently in
Canada. These temporary measures will be in

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place for two years and the number
of new study permit applications will be accepted

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in twenty twenty five will be reassessed
at the end of this Yearly province is

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demographic Canada. To be absolutely clear, these measures are not against individual international

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students. They are to ensure that
as future students arrive in Canada they receive

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the quality of education that they signed
up for and I hope that they were

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provided in their home countries. It
will be a dis service to welcome international

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students in Canada knowing not all of
them are getting the resources they need to

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succeed in Canada, and having them
returned home disillusioned and disappointed in Canada's education

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system. Allowing bad actors to continue
their operations would be a disservice to all

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the good institutions who pride themselves in
providing a top tier academic experience. Thank

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you, looking forward to clarify,
Minister, will we see so way,

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I have over a million foreign students
having many years who are unbiling daves.

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That mean there will be less students
out of September or is it that the

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increase will be slower and how many
students will we see by the end of

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this year? In Canada see things
very good. Permits are issued on a

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three year basis, So the one
million number is the number of permits that

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have been issued over a three year
period. Those people that are getting out

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of the three year programs will reflect
will be reflected in. It'll be a

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reflection of a decrease of thirty five
percent decrease compared to those people that are

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graduating from these programs, So the
net intake will show that decrease of thirty

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five percent. There's some room there
to work with some of some of the

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provinces to make sure that they are
actually decreasing. But what the cap actually

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does is twofold. It's a national
cap, but it's spread out according by

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population by province, So some provinces
will actually have some room to go up

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if they so choose, but the
provinces that have been most heavily affected will

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have to decrease. Decrease by about
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bank, you have been saying that
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and the provinces didn't do what you
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mean the provinces that you have not
responded to what they expected. I'd say

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a couple of things. Uh,
clearly there has not been action with as

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quickly as we wanted it to be
taken. We first and foremost wanted to

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address the matters that were within pretty
much exclusive federal jurisdiction, which are fraud,

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the integrity of the intake system,
verification of offer letter, but putting

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into place of a recognized institution model, which we did in the fall,

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and we warned provinces throughout the fall
that they needed to start taking measures.

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I had a very productive conversation with
Minister Sleena Robinson on Friday about the work

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that they are going I'm not going
to scooper, but the work that they

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are doing in British Columbia to attack
this. We don't want to trip over

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each other, so we're going to
work with them. If we get it

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wrong, we'll fix it with them, and if they get it wrong,

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we'll be talking about that as well. But we want to coordinate our activities

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because it is an area of shared
jurisdiction and when it comes to making sure

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that these institutions are actually what they
say they are and not sort of fly

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by night operations and backdoor entries into
Canada. That's something that provinces have a

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huge role in playing. I spoke
to Ontario as well with Minister Joe Dunlop.

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It was a good conversation, but
clearly they have some work to do,

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but we're willing to work with them. It was again as well,

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a productive conversation. They just don't
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British Columbia is putting into place,
what taps for Ontario, the impact

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on Ontario, can you specify that
and then also what we're working with him,

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we've seen increased volumes ever since we
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mandate. That has come with some
economic benefit as well. So we shouldn't

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deny that Mexico is one of our
principal economic partners. So any measures that

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we would take would contemplate require a
diplomatic process that is not yet completed.

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I we certainly it doesn't translate as
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need to turn the screws a bit. Whether it's a or turn or full

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turn is something that's still being determined. Something I can't share with you publicly,

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but know that we're not trying to
be opaque, but when we are,

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when we take these measures, it's
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publicly because there are some bad actors
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at heart, that will gain the
system. So we acknowledge the problem,

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we acknowledge that Canada has to take
action, but there's some work left to

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do. In two years after these
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the world will be different? What's
going to happen when each time, well,

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look we've got two years to actually
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a bit of a mess and it's
it's time to rein it in. So

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this is something we will. You
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a lot of thought into this,
these are still very pretty much blend measures

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from the federal federal government. We're
we're playing with taps that we're turning on

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and turning off and allocating between province. So it's it. Did we get

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it right, We'll see, But
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meantime to make sure that they are
doing their jobs. There have been provincial

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auditor General reports that have laid out
in much more detail than I could lay

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out to you here today. The
measures need to be taken to make sure

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that this is a system that has
some integrity to it. It is.

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It is not the intention of this
program to have sham commerce degrees or business

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degrees that are sitting on top of
a massage parlor that someone doesn't even go

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to and then they come into the
province and drive an Uber. If you

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need a dedicated channel for Uber drivers
in Canada, I can design that,

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but that isn't the intention of an
international student program. So this is something

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we need to rein in. They
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shut down and it's up to the
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concerned about the economic impractice will have
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absolutely. This has been very,
very lucrative and it's and it's certainly something

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that private colleges have made a lot
of money out of. Again, I'm

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not the Minister of post secondary education
underfunding the Minister of Immigration, and clearly

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in the last decade or so even
longer, post secondary institutions in Canada have

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been underfunded by provinces. And these
institutions are smart and they've gone and they've

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seen that they can get tuition fees
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what my kids pay at McGill Arcadia, and they've made money off it.

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They haven't necessarily provided the student experience
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in and there's been some there's been
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The source countries are not particularly diverse. We've been banking on looking at the

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global middle class, upper middle class, and people made money off it.

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So it's a system that has some
real integrity issues, that has ecosystem incentives

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and perverse incentives, and it's something
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there's clear instances of people that have
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this. But again, we don't
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penalized. It's why we have exemptions
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those are the bright people that we
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hear from some provinces quite clearly that
there are some trade schools that they will

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want to exempt or give post graduate
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some of the needs are, whether
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construction. But what I say to
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learn the Toronto money, the money
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with with Mayor Chow and it's work
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willing to do more. It's not
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but we know that the pressures on
the asylum seekers are creating, which is

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joint jurisdiction, is not sole jurisdiction
of the federal federal government. There's a

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role to play with the federal government. I think we can continue that that

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positive relationship with the mayor. We
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I've said that, I've said that
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their agreement with with Mayor Chow some
conditions that required the federal government to be

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at the table. You know,
there's always some gaming going on, but

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we're still willing to work with them. You know, there there have been

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reception centers in the past to address
flows that have existed. They were closed

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by the provinces. But it's something
that will continue. Will continue work with

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them on this. You know,
the global flow of migrants UH in the

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in the world is not something that
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Canada, despite having block of ice
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bodies of water to the west and
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everybody happy New Year? Bananisa war
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real so on the foreign affairs side, you've heard me last fall, we're

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amidst an international security crisis. War
has broken in Europe, in the Middle

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East and in Africa, and Canadians
feel it at home. Seems like everything

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is more expensive. And this is
not disconnected from what is happening in the

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world right now. And my job
as Foreign Minister is obviously to make sure

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that I defend Canadians on the world
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national interest and how do we do
that? I think more than ever we

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need to be pragmatic and that is
why last fall I presented our vision about

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pragmatic diplomacy, and I'll give you
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long phone call with my Chinese counterpart
Yuang Yi. Clearly we don't agree on

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many things with China, but there's
lots of things that we can work on,

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and we need to be able to
talk to one another, including on

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subjects linked to the health of our
people, the health of our planet,

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and geopolitical tensions around the world.
Now this year, half of the planet

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will be going through elections, including
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ready. We will have a pragmatic
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US, and even when it comes
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back to talk about how you see
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might be different. I won't go
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is we will be ready. We
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with the business community, we will
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the entire country because we have connections
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best friend and best ally, which
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also with many countries around the world, and that is the work that I

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will be undergoing along of course with
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Canada. I'm listening. Canada has
been criticized quite virshly for not taking a

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clear position on the Japs against Israel. People are saying that that Canada should

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essentially pick a side. Why did
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well? You run my statement,
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Prime Minister also gave his remarks last
week. I have nothing else to add

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on that. What I can tell
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we will react to it as things
evolve. But I really think that what

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is going on in the Middle East
is absolutely heartbreaking, and the tensions and

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the violence and the anti Semitism in
Montreal, in Toronto that you're seeing is

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heart wrenching. I've never seen an
insue in the world that has been so

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difficult to deal with for Canadians.
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be able to talk to one another, we need to be able to listen

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to one another. At the end
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able to trust one another. Because
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a country where we don't fear our
neighbor, and so that will be front

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of mine for myself obviously when I'm
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here in Canada, and I think
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because that's what we believe in.
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and mont Bulejeri relason displomatic in Zeno
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have happened some time ago. Uh, the provinces should have acted first that

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higher education is a provincial responsibility.
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start to bring some rationality back to
the number of international students. What's the

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number that is reasonable, do you
think? Well? I think that the

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challenge here is that you want to
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So I think we need to go
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think reverting back to the levels of
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perhaps twenty nineteen or twenty twenty would
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but overall, you know, we
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our housing market to catch up with
our population growth. How big that are

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these like born students, other and
housing markets. It really depends on the

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city, But in some studies it's
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and it's affecting both the rental and
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you have a lot of low income
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low number of spots. Now on
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investors buy up large quantities of single
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making it nearly impossible for first time
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to live. And to clarify,
I mean, I think it's quite a

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three million housing shortage between now twenty
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which that gap has actually closed and
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rents by twenty twenty five, for
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to do as much as possible.
I do think if international students numbers do

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decline that we will see pressures ease
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that causes rents to go down rather
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they otherwise would be. It's hard
to say without without getting the details.

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That three point five million number that
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a massive uphill climb under our current
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get there. We need to see
as much reform as possible. But we

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also also shouldn't treat it as binary. I think the closer we can get

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to that target, the better,
and we should treat that as as aspirational

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target. The permanent hold it's come
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challenge is on the on the non
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growth is coming from. I certainly
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with our population growth. And when
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we do need to be making sure
that we can keep having growth along with

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it, but the growth is coming
from the non permanent side rather than rather

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than the permanent. Right to link
the targets in integration to the number of

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units built in the year before.
I think that's a sensible goal, But

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that's more of a goal than a
policy, right, So it's not clear

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to me what pollyev or any party
is actually proposing on how to get there.

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Do you think what five is a
reasonable target for permanent newcomers next year?

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I think again, overall, that's
five hundred thousand. Isn't that much

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of a change over over current levels? Right? When you have the number

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of non permanent residents increasing by one
hundred thousands, you know what twenty five

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thousand person increase in the immigration target
isn't isn't all that material? Though it

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is, it's not nothing. I
think one of the things that we can

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do is shift that immigration target or
that the people who are making up that

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five hundred thousand to be more focused
on the people who are already here.

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Right, So you're not increasing the
regulation. Rather, what you're doing is

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taking the non permanent residents who have
been here for years and turning them into

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permanent residents. Because we have to
remember that many of those five hundred thousand

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people are already here, They've been
here for years. What difference does it

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really make, though, is to
limit international students like Adam the whole pie

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of solutions that can fix the housing
crisis, and how much of a differences

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huge if they're aggressive enough. It
is the single biggest thing that we can

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do immediately to address the housing crisis, because it takes a while to build

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a new home, It takes a
while to be able to build a new

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apartment. But if the if the
international student targets are reduced, we will

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we will first of all, see
easing of pressure on the rental market.

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But what we'll also see is overnight
investors say, you know what, the

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student market doesn't look as attractive as
it did before. We're going to lower

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We're going to start buying up for
your homes, and that's going to create

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places for first time home buyers to
buy. Me anyway about mister Robby,

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you there's about eight hundred thousand,
I think or so a change the temporary

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students here, the number of pas, so that's that's in that increase.

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I would like to get to the
point where the non permanent population is not

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increasing at all, so zero when
so basically that for every international student that's

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leaving, a new one comes up. I think we need to cap the

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growth overall, so there's no there's
no growth in the non permanent resident population

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until we start to build enough house
Do you think Mexican visa that should come

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back fortysident seekers? That's one solution
that is void by the day I can

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make government. So I haven't looked
closely enough of that. Sorry, if

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you look down the road five ten
years, what do you think the consequences

441
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would be having a trough international students
of the economy of Marge. Well,

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I think overall it will it will
use pressures on local markets. So I

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think some of the economic consequences will
be a declinate demand in housing. I

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think that's a uh, that's a
good thing. We will see, uh,

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we will see labor market pressures,
but we have to understand that that

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international students, you know, are
often working retail jobs or in fast food.

447
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You know, we may see labor
shortages in that area, but it's

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you know, I I think that's
a small price to pay to again make

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sure that we have a housing market
that or a housing system that can house

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everyone. What about you know they're
coming great to study to not be retail

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workers. Generally, I love about
the disagree. I disagree. Where we

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see the biggest growth is in these
diploma mill colleges. You know, we

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have to understand that that the growth
in international students is for the most part

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not to receive education. Mister Pulvi's
criticism of the federal government may see that

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ven let you see, I'm going
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carbon for certain person down certain regions
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Yeah, prists were so unfavorable to
him. And the fact that Justin Trudeau

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has double the cost of housing is
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Croissans, the Populacibre, the Maison
Betsy aj de maison Cesa le gre bons

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the polifier, because thank you very
much. Before I get started, I

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want to talk about the terrible existential
crisis to the entire universe, which of

491
00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:49.760
course is pizza ovens. I know
that Prime Minister Trudeau and his federal agency

492
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have launched an outright crusade against pizza
ovens. They are They started in Montreal,

493
00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:58.199
but we know that they will get
out here to Vancouver. So Vancouver

494
00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:02.679
rights who are locked in their homes
and terrified of pizza ovens should be at

495
00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:07.239
ease that Justin Trudeau will come to
your rescue. Don't worry about your one

496
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:12.840
hundred percent rent increase or the fact
that you can't feed yourself. Justin Trudeau

497
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:15.679
is spending your money going after pizza
ovens here and everywhere, and he will

498
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:22.000
not stop until this crisis is resolved. But he's in a retreat today in

499
00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:25.760
more than one way. Yes,
there's the expensive retreat. If liberal ministers

500
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:30.159
were coming together to pat themselves on
the back and spend your money on luxury

501
00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:36.480
for themselves. No, it's not
just that he's back from vacation having spent

502
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:42.199
eighty six thousand dollars of other people's
money on himself. He's in retreat.

503
00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:46.800
In another way, he's retreating on
everything he has done over the last eight

504
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:52.199
years. Right after eight years of
Trudeau, life costs more, work doesn't

505
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:54.920
pay, housing costs have doubled,
Crime, chaos, drugs, and disorder

506
00:55:54.960 --> 00:55:59.599
are common in our streets, and
he divides to distract from all that he

507
00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:06.599
has broken. Justin Trudeau is not
worth the cost, and now he wants

508
00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:09.719
you to know he's a changed man. He's not the same Justin Trudeau of

509
00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:14.920
the last eight years. He's going
to be completely different. He's in retreat.

510
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:19.639
After two years of me warning about
the inflation crisis his deficits and money

511
00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:23.000
printing were causing, he admits that
things cost too much. After me warrying

512
00:56:23.079 --> 00:56:28.519
that his massive carbon tax would drive
to millions of people to food banks,

513
00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:34.280
he now gives a pause and retreats
on that as well. After my warnings

514
00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:39.079
that him giving money billions of dollars
to incompetent local bureaucracies and mayors to block

515
00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:44.440
housing construction, that we would have
a crisis, he admits that the crisis

516
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:49.119
is real and claims that he's changed
his approach and mind on that as well.

517
00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:54.039
After my warnings that if you let
out repeat violent and property criminals again

518
00:56:54.159 --> 00:56:58.599
and again on early bail and parole
and have weak borders, that we would

519
00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:01.360
lose cars to theft. He now
admits that that is a problem too,

520
00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:06.880
and he's going to hold a big
summit to talk about it. And after

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he spent eight years ruining our immigration
system, a system that was the best

522
00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:15.199
in the world, the system that
brought my brilliant and beautiful wife here,

523
00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:22.199
he now admits that he's screwed that
up to and he is retreating on that

524
00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:27.719
by cutting back by over one hundred
and fifty thousand the number of international students.

525
00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:31.719
This is a problem of his own
making, his own incompetent, incompetent

526
00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:38.639
and incompetent Minister Sean Fraser was the
one that allowed the program to grow,

527
00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:46.400
in the words of another Liberal minister, out of control. So you have

528
00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:53.280
sixteen people crammed into basements in Brampton. You have housing host rising faster than

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00:57:53.280 --> 00:58:00.079
at any time in Canadian nation anywhere
else in the world. You have what

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00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:05.000
the liberals now admit were fake and
phony colleges for which liberals were the ones

531
00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:09.519
that issued the study permits. Now
they tell you they've changed their mind.

532
00:58:10.039 --> 00:58:14.639
Justin Trudeau is a new man.
He admits now that he was wrong in

533
00:58:14.719 --> 00:58:19.400
inflation, housing, immigration and crime. He wants you to forget the last

534
00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:22.920
eight years and elect him as a
brand new mine a man. We don't

535
00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:27.519
need the prime minister to change.
We need to change the prime minister.

536
00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:31.920
We need a common sense conservative prime
minister who will ask the tax to bring

537
00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:37.559
home lower prices, cap spending and
cut waste to balance the budget, bringing

538
00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:42.480
down inflation and interest rates, lower
income taxes so people bring home more powerful

539
00:58:42.519 --> 00:58:45.800
paychecks and a hard work pays off. That we link federal infrastructure dollars for

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00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:49.760
each city to the number of homes
they allow to get built, so that

541
00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:53.000
we reward those who get out of
the way and let builders build and penalize

542
00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:58.679
those that block new construction. We
need to sell off six thousand federal buildings

543
00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:01.079
and thousands of acres of fedal land
to build, build, build. We

544
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:05.719
want those homes to be in safe
neighborhoods. So we need jail and not

545
00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:09.480
bail. Jail and not bail.
Jail and not bail for repeat violent offenders

546
00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:15.519
and other criminals who have terrorized our
streets. We need treatment not decriminalized crack

547
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:20.519
and heroine to bring order and safety
to our communities. And we need a

548
00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:24.400
prime minister that puts the people ahead
of the government. That is the common

549
00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:30.119
sense of the common people, united
for our common home. Now let's bring

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00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:34.800
it home. Thanks so much.
We'll now take a few questions from the

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00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:38.079
floor. Okay, Bimal thoughts,
Well, it would be nice if we

552
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:44.800
can actually hear hey on certain policies. Maybe the parties kind of work together

553
00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:53.159
to create some sort of way to
fix the problems ahead, because there is

554
00:59:53.239 --> 00:59:59.639
a serious housing problem. It has
nothing to do with the men of housing,

555
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:05.880
because well, if Mark Miller would
actually maybe look at some things,

556
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:16.199
maybe he would actually be looking at
limiting the number of people that they're that

557
01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:25.159
immigrants that they're allowing into the country
to begin with. But I kind of

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01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:35.320
reporting on this, but not in
giving an opinion, because everything that you're

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01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:39.119
doing, that they're allowing developers to
tear down homes in and build up new

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01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:46.400
ones, isn't it isn't really affecting
those people who who are being put on

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01:00:46.519 --> 01:00:52.519
the streets. That we're seeing more
and more people not being able to afford

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01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:59.480
their rent, their mortgage and are
being evicted to the street, who have

563
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:04.800
whole families are living on the street, including their pets, and say,

564
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:15.239
while Paul Vier and Trudeau debate in
Odawa over what the actual problems are,

565
01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:23.400
no one's actually doing anything to fix
it. Maybe we need Adawa to come

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01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:30.400
up with a fix, not keep
debating whose fault it is. That something

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01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:35.039
is very, very wrong, all
right, So thank you for listening to

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