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the show about the government policy and human rights. Welcome back to bolising rates.
Here in Depictions Media Radio, I'm your host Michael Kloggs. And in
this uh next few segments where what we've heard is that because of bad actors
and admit the concern the impact of growing numbers of international students are having on
the housing market. Immigration Administer Mark Miller announced Monday that the federal government will
cap the number of students student permits over the next two years. Their claim
is that the number of students has actually impacted the housing market itself, and
that they need to cut back because of other various bad actors. And they
will be reviewing and have the provinces revealing different schools to see who has been
acting in good faith in really been bringing students in on temporary visas and who
has not. So sounds a bit a bit weird, but okay. So
on the critical side, we're gonna hear from Pierre Poulvier, who said that
the program was flawed to begin with, that when Justin Trudeau created the the
foreign student program of itself, that he was giving too many liberties and it
was flawed and that now Justin Trudeau has realized his mistake and now he's retreating
back from it, creating another set of flawed policies to be put in place.
And so we're gonna hear from Mark Miller, and we also gonna hear
from other UH various UH cabinet members about what is happening in the world,
including UH Melan Nijolli. We're gonna hear from her speaking about relationships with other
foreign governments, including the United States because of well, once again we're hearing
from Donald Trump as Donald Trump is saying that he wants to cut ties with
so many countries and US being his neighbors center North that he's talking about limited
relationships with the Canada on top of that, so all of we UH listen
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before, We've negotiated the North American fretwain, and I think people I don't
should trust those who have done that. That president Trump, mister Freelan,
mister Julie, I think at the time as well the Prime Minister obviously,
so we know how to do things. You know, we've done that before
and today because of the strategic investment, we've integrated our supply chain more than
ever on biomanufacturing in the auto sector, in semiconductor. Just take the speech
of President Biden when he was in the House of Commons. So I think
that these are are very significant because if our economy was integrated at the time,
it's even more integrated today. So millions of jobs. And one thing
that I think, uh, President former President Trump understand is jobs and now
jobs depend millions of jobs depend on what we have achieved over the last decades.
So uh that economic integration, I think is going to be a key
for for the future. And with that, I have to go because I'm
told the Prime Minister is coming. What do is as home? We're gonna
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the man can you, Uh, the international students are a valuable asset,
uh to this country. They are bright young individuals that enrich our communities and
bring significant social, cultural, and economic benefits. They deserve the best.
They deserve world class academic experiences that they sought out and hoped for, and
Canada's renowned for that. Sadly, this has not always been the case.
It's unacceptable that some private institutions have taken advantage of international students by operating under
resourced campuses, lacking supports for students, and charging high tuition fees, all
the while significantly increasing their intake of international students. Do limit satire le di
Province and next. Today I am announcing three principal measures. One a temporary
two year cap on new international student permits. It is the latest in a
series of measures to improve program integrity and set international students up for the success.
In order to maintain a sustainable level of temporary residence in Canada, as
well to ensure that there is no further growth in the number of international students
in Canada for twenty twenty four, we are setting a national application intake cap
for a period of two years for twenty two twenty four. The cap is
expected to result in approximately three hundred and sixty four thousand approved study permits,
a decrease of thirty five percent from twenty twenty three. In the spirit of
fairness, we are also allocating the cap space by province based on population,
such as that some provinces will see much more significant reductions. Will continue to
work closely with those provinces and territories to put these measures into place, as
they will be responsible for determining how the CAP is distributed between its designated learning
institutions that they have jurisdiction over. I've had productive conversations, in particular with
British Columbia and Ontario already, and we all recognize that more needs to be
done to protect the integrity of our system while supporting international students. In addition,
defective immediately applicants must provide a provincial attestation with their study permit application.
At the same time, the cap will not apply to students in graduate levels
I've studied, including masters and doctoral students. Of the people we're looking for.
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will only be allowed and be available to spouses of international students enrolled in masters
and doctoral programs, as well as professional programs such as medicine and law.
Spouses of international students enrolled in other levels of study, including undergraduate and college
programs, will no longer be eligible. To be clear, the cap will
not applied applicants within Canada looking to extend their studies, as it wouldn't be
fair to prevent someone from finishing the program, nor will the cap have an
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students. They are to ensure that as future students arrive in Canada they receive
the quality of education that they signed up for and I hope that they were
provided in their home countries. It will be a dis service to welcome international
students in Canada knowing not all of them are getting the resources they need to
succeed in Canada, and having them returned home disillusioned and disappointed in Canada's education
system. Allowing bad actors to continue their operations would be a disservice to all
the good institutions who pride themselves in providing a top tier academic experience. Thank
you, looking forward to clarify, Minister, will we see so way,
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three year basis, So the one million number is the number of permits that
have been issued over a three year period. Those people that are getting out
of the three year programs will reflect will be reflected in. It'll be a
reflection of a decrease of thirty five percent decrease compared to those people that are
graduating from these programs, So the net intake will show that decrease of thirty
five percent. There's some room there to work with some of some of the
provinces to make sure that they are actually decreasing. But what the cap actually
does is twofold. It's a national cap, but it's spread out according by
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and the provinces didn't do what you needed them to do. Does this
mean the provinces that you have not responded to what they expected. I'd say
a couple of things. Uh, clearly there has not been action with as
quickly as we wanted it to be taken. We first and foremost wanted to
address the matters that were within pretty much exclusive federal jurisdiction, which are fraud,
the integrity of the intake system, verification of offer letter, but putting
into place of a recognized institution model, which we did in the fall,
and we warned provinces throughout the fall that they needed to start taking measures.
I had a very productive conversation with Minister Sleena Robinson on Friday about the work
that they are going I'm not going to scooper, but the work that they
are doing in British Columbia to attack this. We don't want to trip over
each other, so we're going to work with them. If we get it
wrong, we'll fix it with them, and if they get it wrong,
we'll be talking about that as well. But we want to coordinate our activities
because it is an area of shared jurisdiction and when it comes to making sure
that these institutions are actually what they say they are and not sort of fly
by night operations and backdoor entries into Canada. That's something that provinces have a
huge role in playing. I spoke to Ontario as well with Minister Joe Dunlop.
It was a good conversation, but clearly they have some work to do,
but we're willing to work with them. It was again as well,
a productive conversation. They just don't have the measures in place that for example,
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turn is something that's still being determined. Something I can't share with you publicly,
but know that we're not trying to be opaque, but when we are,
when we take these measures, it's not something that we can necessarily discuss
publicly because there are some bad actors that don't have the betest interests of Canada
at heart, that will gain the system. So we acknowledge the problem,
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do. In two years after these measures expire. How were you hoping that
the world will be different? What's going to happen when each time, well,
look we've got two years to actually get the ship in order. It's
a bit of a mess and it's it's time to rein it in. So
this is something we will. You know, these are even though we've put
a lot of thought into this, these are still very pretty much blend measures
from the federal federal government. We're we're playing with taps that we're turning on
and turning off and allocating between province. So it's it. Did we get
it right, We'll see, But we need to work with provinces in the
meantime to make sure that they are doing their jobs. There have been provincial
auditor General reports that have laid out in much more detail than I could lay
out to you here today. The measures need to be taken to make sure
that this is a system that has some integrity to it. It is.
It is not the intention of this program to have sham commerce degrees or business
degrees that are sitting on top of a massage parlor that someone doesn't even go
to and then they come into the province and drive an Uber. If you
need a dedicated channel for Uber drivers in Canada, I can design that,
but that isn't the intention of an international student program. So this is something
we need to rein in. They exist, those those institutions need to be
shut down and it's up to the provinces registeration, though, Is your government
concerned about the economic impractice will have on public universities and colleges. We are
absolutely. This has been very, very lucrative and it's and it's certainly something
that private colleges have made a lot of money out of. Again, I'm
not the Minister of post secondary education underfunding the Minister of Immigration, and clearly
in the last decade or so even longer, post secondary institutions in Canada have
been underfunded by provinces. And these institutions are smart and they've gone and they've
seen that they can get tuition fees that are four or five times more than
what my kids pay at McGill Arcadia, and they've made money off it.
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in and there's been some there's been the path of least resistance as well.
The source countries are not particularly diverse. We've been banking on looking at the
global middle class, upper middle class, and people made money off it.
So it's a system that has some real integrity issues, that has ecosystem incentives
and perverse incentives, and it's something that we need to address. And then
there's clear instances of people that have been just making money and over fist about
this. But again, we don't want our best top academic institute to be
penalized. It's why we have exemptions for masters and pH d students, because
those are the bright people that we need to retain. And now you will
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want to exempt or give post graduate work permits to, because that is where
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with with Mayor Chow and it's work that I think is going to continue there.
We actually have a very good working relationship with their teams and we're always
willing to do more. It's not something that I'm prepared announce publicly today,
but we know that the pressures on the asylum seekers are creating, which is
joint jurisdiction, is not sole jurisdiction of the federal federal government. There's a
role to play with the federal government. I think we can continue that that
positive relationship with the mayor. We do and we have those conversations with them.
I've said that, I've said that many times. They did put in
their agreement with with Mayor Chow some conditions that required the federal government to be
at the table. You know, there's always some gaming going on, but
we're still willing to work with them. You know, there there have been
reception centers in the past to address flows that have existed. They were closed
by the provinces. But it's something that will continue. Will continue work with
them on this. You know, the global flow of migrants UH in the
in the world is not something that is going away anytime soon. And in
Canada, despite having block of ice to the north of west and UH big
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amidst an international security crisis. War has broken in Europe, in the Middle
East and in Africa, and Canadians feel it at home. Seems like everything
is more expensive. And this is not disconnected from what is happening in the
world right now. And my job as Foreign Minister is obviously to make sure
that I defend Canadians on the world stage and at cabinet, but also our
national interest and how do we do that? I think more than ever we
need to be pragmatic and that is why last fall I presented our vision about
pragmatic diplomacy, and I'll give you two examples. Last week I had a
long phone call with my Chinese counterpart Yuang Yi. Clearly we don't agree on
many things with China, but there's lots of things that we can work on,
and we need to be able to talk to one another, including on
subjects linked to the health of our people, the health of our planet,
and geopolitical tensions around the world. Now this year, half of the planet
will be going through elections, including in the US, and we will be
ready. We will have a pragmatic approach, even when it comes to the
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might be different. I won't go into the details. What I'm telling you
is we will be ready. We will work with premiers, we will work
with the business community, we will work with unions, we will work with
the entire country because we have connections from coast to coast to coast to our
best friend and best ally, which is our neighbor. And we will work
also with many countries around the world, and that is the work that I
will be undergoing along of course with the Prime Minister and many of my colleagues
Canada. I'm listening. Canada has been criticized quite virshly for not taking a
clear position on the Japs against Israel. People are saying that that Canada should
essentially pick a side. Why did Canada choose not to pick a side as
well? You run my statement, My statement is my statement, and the
Prime Minister also gave his remarks last week. I have nothing else to add
on that. What I can tell you is that we're following the case and
we will react to it as things evolve. But I really think that what
is going on in the Middle East is absolutely heartbreaking, and the tensions and
the violence and the anti Semitism in Montreal, in Toronto that you're seeing is
heart wrenching. I've never seen an insue in the world that has been so
difficult to deal with for Canadians. And my point is, we need to
be able to talk to one another, we need to be able to listen
to one another. At the end of the day, we need to be
able to trust one another. Because we have to be able to live in
a country where we don't fear our neighbor, and so that will be front
of mine for myself obviously when I'm at on the world stage, but also
here in Canada, and I think that's a message that Canadians want to hear
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higher education is a provincial responsibility. But it's good to see the federal government
start to bring some rationality back to the number of international students. What's the
number that is reasonable, do you think? Well? I think that the
challenge here is that you want to make sure that you're not bankrupting these institutions.
So I think we need to go h as low as possible. I
think reverting back to the levels of a few years ago, you know,
perhaps twenty nineteen or twenty twenty would be UH, would be appropriate. But
but overall, you know, we need to bend the curve UH and allow
our housing market to catch up with our population growth. How big that are
these like born students, other and housing markets. It really depends on the
city, But in some studies it's making a massive difference that you're seeing.
You know, you're seeing cities grow at two three four percent a year,
and it's affecting both the rental and the ownership market. On the rental side,
you have a lot of low income renters all battling each other for a
low number of spots. Now on the ownership side, what we're seeing is
investors buy up large quantities of single family homes and turning them into student rentals,
making it nearly impossible for first time home buyers to to find a place
to live. And to clarify, I mean, I think it's quite a
three million housing shortage between now twenty thirty. Is there any any world in
which that gap has actually closed and there's a material difference in the price of
rents by twenty twenty five, for example. Well, I think we need
to do as much as possible. I do think if international students numbers do
decline that we will see pressures ease off the rental market. Whether or not
that causes rents to go down rather than simply rents to be less high than
they otherwise would be. It's hard to say without without getting the details.
That three point five million number that we hear from the CMHC. That is
a massive uphill climb under our current set of policies, We're not going to
get there. We need to see as much reform as possible. But we
also also shouldn't treat it as binary. I think the closer we can get
to that target, the better, and we should treat that as as aspirational
target. The permanent hold it's come down, well, I think the bigger
challenge is on the on the non permanent growth, that that's where the biggest
growth is coming from. I certainly think we should be aligning our housing targets
with our population growth. And when we said these immigration targets, I think
we do need to be making sure that we can keep having growth along with
it, but the growth is coming from the non permanent side rather than rather
than the permanent. Right to link the targets in integration to the number of
units built in the year before. I think that's a sensible goal, But
that's more of a goal than a policy, right, So it's not clear
to me what pollyev or any party is actually proposing on how to get there.
Do you think what five is a reasonable target for permanent newcomers next year?
I think again, overall, that's five hundred thousand. Isn't that much
of a change over over current levels? Right? When you have the number
of non permanent residents increasing by one hundred thousands, you know what twenty five
thousand person increase in the immigration target isn't isn't all that material? Though it
is, it's not nothing. I think one of the things that we can
do is shift that immigration target or that the people who are making up that
five hundred thousand to be more focused on the people who are already here.
Right, So you're not increasing the regulation. Rather, what you're doing is
taking the non permanent residents who have been here for years and turning them into
permanent residents. Because we have to remember that many of those five hundred thousand
people are already here, They've been here for years. What difference does it
really make, though, is to limit international students like Adam the whole pie
of solutions that can fix the housing crisis, and how much of a differences
huge if they're aggressive enough. It is the single biggest thing that we can
do immediately to address the housing crisis, because it takes a while to build
a new home, It takes a while to be able to build a new
apartment. But if the if the international student targets are reduced, we will
we will first of all, see easing of pressure on the rental market.
But what we'll also see is overnight investors say, you know what, the
student market doesn't look as attractive as it did before. We're going to lower
We're going to start buying up for your homes, and that's going to create
places for first time home buyers to buy. Me anyway about mister Robby,
you there's about eight hundred thousand, I think or so a change the temporary
students here, the number of pas, so that's that's in that increase.
I would like to get to the point where the non permanent population is not
increasing at all, so zero when so basically that for every international student that's
leaving, a new one comes up. I think we need to cap the
growth overall, so there's no there's no growth in the non permanent resident population
until we start to build enough house Do you think Mexican visa that should come
back fortysident seekers? That's one solution that is void by the day I can
make government. So I haven't looked closely enough of that. Sorry, if
you look down the road five ten years, what do you think the consequences
would be having a trough international students of the economy of Marge. Well,
I think overall it will it will use pressures on local markets. So I
think some of the economic consequences will be a declinate demand in housing. I
think that's a uh, that's a good thing. We will see, uh,
we will see labor market pressures, but we have to understand that that
international students, you know, are often working retail jobs or in fast food.
You know, we may see labor shortages in that area, but it's
you know, I I think that's a small price to pay to again make
sure that we have a housing market that or a housing system that can house
everyone. What about you know they're coming great to study to not be retail
workers. Generally, I love about the disagree. I disagree. Where we
see the biggest growth is in these diploma mill colleges. You know, we
have to understand that that the growth in international students is for the most part
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the polifier, because thank you very much. Before I get started, I
want to talk about the terrible existential crisis to the entire universe, which of
course is pizza ovens. I know that Prime Minister Trudeau and his federal agency
have launched an outright crusade against pizza ovens. They are They started in Montreal,
but we know that they will get out here to Vancouver. So Vancouver
rights who are locked in their homes and terrified of pizza ovens should be at
ease that Justin Trudeau will come to your rescue. Don't worry about your one
hundred percent rent increase or the fact that you can't feed yourself. Justin Trudeau
is spending your money going after pizza ovens here and everywhere, and he will
not stop until this crisis is resolved. But he's in a retreat today in
more than one way. Yes, there's the expensive retreat. If liberal ministers
were coming together to pat themselves on the back and spend your money on luxury
for themselves. No, it's not just that he's back from vacation having spent
eighty six thousand dollars of other people's money on himself. He's in retreat.
In another way, he's retreating on everything he has done over the last eight
years. Right after eight years of Trudeau, life costs more, work doesn't
pay, housing costs have doubled, Crime, chaos, drugs, and disorder
are common in our streets, and he divides to distract from all that he
has broken. Justin Trudeau is not worth the cost, and now he wants
you to know he's a changed man. He's not the same Justin Trudeau of
the last eight years. He's going to be completely different. He's in retreat.
After two years of me warning about the inflation crisis his deficits and money
printing were causing, he admits that things cost too much. After me warrying
that his massive carbon tax would drive to millions of people to food banks,
he now gives a pause and retreats on that as well. After my warnings
that him giving money billions of dollars to incompetent local bureaucracies and mayors to block
housing construction, that we would have a crisis, he admits that the crisis
is real and claims that he's changed his approach and mind on that as well.
After my warnings that if you let out repeat violent and property criminals again
and again on early bail and parole and have weak borders, that we would
lose cars to theft. He now admits that that is a problem too,
and he's going to hold a big summit to talk about it. And after
he spent eight years ruining our immigration system, a system that was the best
in the world, the system that brought my brilliant and beautiful wife here,
he now admits that he's screwed that up to and he is retreating on that
by cutting back by over one hundred and fifty thousand the number of international students.
This is a problem of his own making, his own incompetent, incompetent
and incompetent Minister Sean Fraser was the one that allowed the program to grow,
in the words of another Liberal minister, out of control. So you have
sixteen people crammed into basements in Brampton. You have housing host rising faster than
at any time in Canadian nation anywhere else in the world. You have what
the liberals now admit were fake and phony colleges for which liberals were the ones
that issued the study permits. Now they tell you they've changed their mind.
Justin Trudeau is a new man. He admits now that he was wrong in
inflation, housing, immigration and crime. He wants you to forget the last
eight years and elect him as a brand new mine a man. We don't
need the prime minister to change. We need to change the prime minister.
We need a common sense conservative prime minister who will ask the tax to bring
home lower prices, cap spending and cut waste to balance the budget, bringing
down inflation and interest rates, lower income taxes so people bring home more powerful
paychecks and a hard work pays off. That we link federal infrastructure dollars for
each city to the number of homes they allow to get built, so that
we reward those who get out of the way and let builders build and penalize
those that block new construction. We need to sell off six thousand federal buildings
and thousands of acres of fedal land to build, build, build. We
want those homes to be in safe neighborhoods. So we need jail and not
bail. Jail and not bail. Jail and not bail for repeat violent offenders
and other criminals who have terrorized our streets. We need treatment not decriminalized crack
and heroine to bring order and safety to our communities. And we need a
prime minister that puts the people ahead of the government. That is the common
sense of the common people, united for our common home. Now let's bring
it home. Thanks so much. We'll now take a few questions from the
floor. Okay, Bimal thoughts, Well, it would be nice if we
can actually hear hey on certain policies. Maybe the parties kind of work together
to create some sort of way to fix the problems ahead, because there is
a serious housing problem. It has nothing to do with the men of housing,
because well, if Mark Miller would actually maybe look at some things,
maybe he would actually be looking at limiting the number of people that they're that
immigrants that they're allowing into the country to begin with. But I kind of
reporting on this, but not in giving an opinion, because everything that you're
doing, that they're allowing developers to tear down homes in and build up new
ones, isn't it isn't really affecting those people who who are being put on
the streets. That we're seeing more and more people not being able to afford
their rent, their mortgage and are being evicted to the street, who have
whole families are living on the street, including their pets, and say,
while Paul Vier and Trudeau debate in Odawa over what the actual problems are,
no one's actually doing anything to fix it. Maybe we need Adawa to come
up with a fix, not keep debating whose fault it is. That something
is very, very wrong, all right, So thank you for listening to
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