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And it hits me, Oh my
gosh, this is that triangle. You

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know, there's explanation for everything that
occurred in the rangdalchamparst incident that doesn't involve

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aliens at all. It was completely
silent. It comes right over our heads.

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It's so classic Gli Solcier really standing
in the cleary. He turned over

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to my father and held his hand, and he looked in his eyes and

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said, we're not alone. Welcome
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page. Hello, and welcome to
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host, and we have Alejandro Rojas
coming up in just a minute with the

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news. But before that, I
want to tell you our guests tonight is

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Jennifer Stein. She's a filmmaker and
also in the first hour we are going

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to be talking with her as well
as Travis Walton, and in the second

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hour we're going to be talking with
Jennifer just about her own experiences, her

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filming, etc. It's going to
be all about her in the second hour.

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And I want to thank everyone for
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listening. Getting a lot of nice
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read. That keeps me going.
And also a lot of people are pretty

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happy about working with this guy who's
coming up with the news on Open Minds

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on the Monday podcast when it goes
out, and so you may hear a

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little bit of redundancy in the news, but we do record the news later

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in the week, so if anything
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news compared to stale news that's on
Open Minds TV. You like that,

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don't you, Alejandro? You just
called my new stale semi stale. Well

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you know it's not day fresh.
You know it wasn't stale before you started

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joining me. So what you've done, that's the change. Wait just one

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that. Alejandro, I didn't really
mean to offend you. It was I

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was saying that I was making the
I can't really backtrack, can I?

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Now you screwed up already. Yeah, all right, So we'll just have

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to put this behind us, won't
we. Yeah, I'll forgive you,

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all right. I know what you
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that. I think everything that we're
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I did not discuss on my show, So this will be fresh news,

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it won't be stale. So hopefully
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Great. All right, Well,
well what's what's the first story? The

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first thing I want to talk about? You may not know this. There's

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this radio network out there called there. They are an online radio network,

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just a superb network out there called
dark Matter Radio. They never never heard

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of them. Yeah yeah, dark
Matter Digital. They're going by these days,

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and they they replay open Mind UFO
Radio. Because I've talked with Keith,

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the guy who rents it, and
he says they only put on high

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quality stuff. They have a very
high standard. So maybe one day your

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show can get on that network.
Okay, what network is your showing?

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Uh? Dark something? I can't
remember. See I was setting you up

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so you can say we are on
that network. Oh we're on that network,

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by gosh, you are Wow.
And now that you're bringing that up,

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I do you know, we are
trying to get better audio quality.

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Of course before uh, well,
I'll let you make the announcement. Go

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ahead. No, I just told
you that you you got you you meet

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higher standards, so you congratulations.
But anyway, the point being that what

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I'm getting at is that Art Bell
is returning to the radio. So this

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is a lot of fun. And
you know, there were a lot of

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issues I guess with the technology and
something working with serious and I know,

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I guess one of the issues was
Art Bell wanted to reach more people and

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not just have to have people have
to subscribe. So that's kind of cool

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because now he's going to be on
Dark Matter Digital and he's going to be

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broadcasting in very many mediums, and
I think this is kind of funny.

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One of the ways they're going to
be broadcasting because they made a deal with

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these guys in Tennessee is shortwave radio. So I didn't I guess, yeah,

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I don't know. It's probably a
dying kind of hobby. Out there,

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but I'm sure there is you know
a lot of people doing it.

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I know it's one of Art Bell's
hobby, that's right, Yeah, to

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do this shortwave radio. So that's
really cool. And what's neat is when

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I was looking into that, you
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can catch those those shows, so
that will allow artfelt to you know,

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reach people all around the world.
So with when he comes onto Dark Matter

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Radio, you know, I think, much like your show, he'll when

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it's broadcast, it'll be live,
it'll be free, but the archives,

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you'll have a small subscription fee where
you could get a hold of the archives,

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and I guess that subscription fee will
also get you access to something they're

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going to call the Wormhole, where
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Art Bell live while he's doing the
show. So really exciting stuff. I

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know people are really exciting. July
twentieth, I guess Sunday July nineteenth,

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they're going to do a little test
to test Art Bell's equipment and everything.

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But yeah, I've been reading that
Keith has really upped his game. They've

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got a lot of great technology and
he feels it's going to be one of

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the best sounding shows out there.
So I know people are really excited for

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Art Bell's return. That should be
pretty cool. Huh. Yeah, I'm

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really excited about it because I'm sure
it's going to really, you know,

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create a lot of new listeners for
everybody here and there was it just reminded

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me of something. There was some
old I was just trying to look online

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some old rock star that's really into
shortwave radio. Do you know what I

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mean? No, yeah, I'm
trying to he's like heavy metal or something

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like that. But huh, and
I think he also does things like bow

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and arrow hunting and stuff like that. Do you know what I mean?

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Does that ring a bell, ted
nugent or something. I think it is

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him goofball character. I think it's
talent. He's on shortwave radio, so

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he'll be listening to our bell.
Maybe you never know. Yeah, I

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can't even I can't even imagine how
that listens. I mean, how that

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works. It must be on a
separate channel or something you have to buy,

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like a radio. You have to
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I don't know. Some people have
equipment. You see those nerded guys,

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you know, with their gigantic antennas. You know, one of you,

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unfortunately, might have one of these
neighbors. There's always one guy in the

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neighborhood, you know, as one
of these big antennas because he's into that

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kind of stuff and you can listen
to stuff all around the world. It's

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probably very interesting and probably a fun
hobby actually to get into. But yeah,

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really interesting stuff. What's cool about
this too is, you know,

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why is this news now? Well, because I finally got around to writing

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the story. Really, I think
it was announced while I was on my

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cruise actually, and that's why I'm
kind of behind the you know, behind

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a bit on this. But it
seems like a lot of my listeners and

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readers were not aware of this,
so they're really excited about it. But

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what's kind of fun too is there's
a few fan trailers out there, so

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some fans are so excited. They've
done some filming and put together these video

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trailers for the return of Art Bell
that are kind of fun, and I

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included a couple of those in my
story. Well, you know, the

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Facebook has a limit of five thousand
friends, and I was lucky to get

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connected with Art way back, so
he's updating constantly on his Facebook page.

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Okay, cool, so check out
his Facebook page. Yeah all right,

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all right, so what else is
going on? Okay, so the next

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story is a lot of fun.
Now. I struggled with which stories to

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choose, and there are a lot
of cool UFO sightings out there, so

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people can go to Openminds dot tv
to see some of those. But you

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and I talked about some of those
during our show. And also we have

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a new thing, the UFO Report, that we put out on YouTube,

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and we're going to talk about those. So I chose some other ones,

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but this is a really fun one. So for instance, the Montreal mayor

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Denny Codare had a video come out
and it's actually been out for a while,

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but they got picked up by the
media recently and it shows him as

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a teenager talking about a UFO encounter. So it's a really fun video.

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I guess. Codare is a beloved
mayor of Montreal. People really like him.

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In fact, he was in the
news recently because they get it gave

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like al Pacino keys to the city
or something like that yesterday. But this

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video is really fun. It's in
French and it shows him as a student

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at like a science fair, and
somehow there was a reporter there that interviewed

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him as a kid, and somehow
this reporter knew he was into UFOs and

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the reporter asked him why he was
fascinated with UFOs, and his response is

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that it's because of his love for
astronomy. He claims that one night,

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when he was observing the night sky, he saw UFO. He says the

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object appeered out of nowhere and floated
through the air, suddenly stopping in its

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tracks and heading back in the other
direction. Koder claimed that this was the

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moment he knew it was not an
object from our world, but kind of

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a fun story. Yeah. I
hate to say this, sala Henro,

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but this is still news. We
talked about it. When did we talk

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about it? I'm just giving a
hard time on my show. Oh okay,

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Yeah, No, I think it's
really cool and it's it's great that

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you know, you think about when
someone talks about this, you know,

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and they're in politics, a lot
of time it's a negative or no no.

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But this guy seems like it hasn't
faced him in any type of way.

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Yeah, not at all. I
mean there are some people out there

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and I think that's I think this
is a good thing for a politician,

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because you seem smarmy when you try
to backpedal or move away from something.

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It's kind of like Dennis Kucinich during
the debates for president and he tried to

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back away from what he had said, or when they get caught cheating or

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something like that. You know when
a politician just stands there, granted and

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says, either, yeah, this
really happened. I think it was interesting

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myself, and I think others should
think it's interesting. I mean, you

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know, when you're just true to
yourself and honest about something, it helps.

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Like you know, there have been
politicians who have come out and said,

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you guys, you know I got
busted. I was I was cheating,

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and I apologize it was the wrong
thing to do. Oftentimes they come

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through better than when they backpedal and
everything. And as we know, Kusinich

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when he tried to backpedal with his
UFO siding kind of didn't go well.

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Whereas everybody the whole crowd was like
jeering, and they might have done that

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anyway because of the crowd, and
it was kind of a you know,

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a topic people for nervous about.
But if he just would have said,

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yeah, I had a very strange
sighting to this day, I don't know

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what it is, and then continued
on with whatever point he wanted to make.

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You probably would have done a little
better. And I really appreciate it

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when these politicians just kind of stick
to their guns. It's great. Jimmy

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Carter is a good example for the
most part. There are times where he

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has backpedaled when he's been asked about
it. But you're right about Jimmy Carter.

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I mean a lot of people don't
know. When he went into office,

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he did ask NASA to investigate UFOs, and after much consternation and back

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and forth with the Air Force,
they decided not to and they actually declined.

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They said, we're sorry, but
we decline your offer to look into

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UFOs. So we really did try
to get more investigation into UFOs, right

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right? So what else is happening? What else? My last story is

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just kind of interesting because it's two
of these maps now have come out.

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We wrote about a few days ago
about how a map and a really cool

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interactive UFO map that a diet data
scientist had made. He emailed me his

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site and his information, and now
it's all over the place. This cool

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map. It's an interactive map that
shows UFO sidings from nineteen oh five.

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He got the information from Newfork,
the National UFO Reporting Center, and you

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can go and you can click on
this map and see all of these sidings,

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and in particular he focused on the
mass sightings, so really interesting,

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a lot of them from Chicago,
Illinois, and this area named Tinsley Park

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in particular. And coincidentally, I
can confirm that we are going to have

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the move On State Director from Illinois, Sam Moronto, who's an expert on

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this, speaking at the UFO Congress
this year, so that's going to be

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a lot of fun. You and
I had spoken about this earlier. However,

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what has also come out is another
company, just today and the Huffington

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Post wrote about it, came up
with more maps UFO maps based off of

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the same information the New Fork information. These maps are really cool. They're

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not interactive where you can touch them
and click on them and do lots of

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cool stuff. These maps are static. However, they have a lot more

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information so you could look at,
you know, sightings per capita, the

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different types of shapes. They have
these cool graphics showing the shapes and everything.

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So some more really cool maps that
have been posted about UFOs, really

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interesting stuff that has gotten in there. And it's really interesting that, you

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know, all of a sudden,
we have all of these UFO maps showing

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up and they do well in the
news. The mass media picks them up.

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Usually local areas pick them up to
talk about, you know, the

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UFOs in their area. So now
we have two of these maps out there.

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Why new fork data and why not
move On? Move On gets a

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lot more citing reports, they have
a lot more investigators, they have a

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bigger footprint across the country and internationally. However, unfortunately, and I know

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it's something they're working on, the
move On data isn't as easy to extract

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as Newfork. And what's funny is
it's not an issue of less technology.

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Move On has too much technology.
They have this database that everything goes into,

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whereas Newfork has a very simple kind
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can go to his page and cut
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go. So in this case,
the more the less technological way it has

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been helping him to get more attention. Wow. Yeah, I was wondering

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about that why they didn't go across
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early early sightings. But I'm trying
to remember the organization that they can't find

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the files from from way back.
Are you familiar APRO? Yeah, that's

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what you're talking about. APRO.
We at open mindset TV actually are the

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is the only place I know of. There might be a couple other places,

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but I think we were the first
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the APRO journals. We have every
APRO journal up on our website. That's

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something an offer under our UFO resources. So you're right, this is an

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amazing, amazing organization with a lot
of incredible cases. But yeah, the

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data ads to their reports would be
very interesting. It's just an issue of

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you know, even when I started
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still all on paper. Wow,
amazing all digitalized at this point. Well,

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hey, thanks so much, Alejandro. It's my pleasure, my friend.

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It's always a lot of fun,
have fun talking to Travis and Jennifer.

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I will so hang in everybody,
and right after the quick music break,

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we'll be right back. Okay,
Jennifer Stein, how are you welcome

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to the show. Hi, I'm
great, Thank you so much for having

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me Martin. Yeah, we kind
of pulled this off at the last minute.

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We had a little bit of sound
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know I'm no stranger to sound issues. But we got it worked out thanks

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to your help. It all kind
of just something. You bought it,

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we unboxed it, we hooked it
up. We got to go in and

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here we are. How about that. It's great. Who reads instructions right?

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Well, welcome to the show.
We met I think two or three

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years ago at an experience to speak
up here in Maine. It was very

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nice to meet you, and I
believe you you talked to Yes, you

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did talk at that meeting. And
what I'd like to do is bring Travis

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in and we'll talk about the movie, and then on the second part of

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the show, we'll have a music
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and then we will talk all about
you in your background, of your past

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and some things that have happened,
stuff like that. But for right now,

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I am going to attempt to get
Travis Walton. He should be expecting

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us to call, and let's just
see if he does. Hang on just

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one minute, perfect and well it
made the number dropped off. So let's

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see. So while I'm waiting and
looking, why don't you just talk quickly

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in how you get into the interest
in the UFOs to begin with. Okay,

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it stems from a sighting that I
had myself in nineteen seventy five,

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interestingly the same year as Travis Walton's
citing, and I was not knowledgeable about

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the UFO topic really at all,
and the type of sighting I had was

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so unusual that I didn't even know
if it was really a UFO event or

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if it was like a spiritual experience
or something I even dreamed it. Actually,

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the event itself stayed in my gray
box for just about twenty five years

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until I realized I was not alone
at the time, and someone else saw

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and experienced exactly the same thing I
did. And that's when I realized when

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I had this iding when I was
nineteen turning twenty, and then I realized,

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Okay, I can unpack this in
my life if I'm willing to,

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and it means reading, connecting with
other people, not being afraid to talk

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about this, figuring out what actually
I experience experienced if I even can figure

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it out. And it was one
of those high strangeness events, and that's

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what kind of gave me permission.
I had to actually give myself permission to

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make that step, make that journey. And that's actually what I presented on

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when we met Martin. When I
was at Experience Or's Speak, I had

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been invited and asked by Peter Robbins
and Audrey Hwans, who coordinate that conference,

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to speak about my own experiences.
And at first I thought they had

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asked me to come and speak about
crop circles, which is something I've been

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studying and researching a lot in my
life. But then they said, no,

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Jen, this is your chance.
And that's the first time I actually

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spoke about my own experiences. Oh, that was the first time. Let's

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try to bring We'll talk more about
that in the second hour. Let's try

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to bring Travis t have it on
again. Yeah. I just texted him

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to let him know. Okay,
I don't know if that will help or

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not. Well, we'll see what
happens. He usually was, let's stop

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my texts. Hello, nothing like
that, nothing like live radio. That's

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right, So all right, So
if you yeah, if you text him

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again, just tell him we tried
him, and yeah, I'm not surprised

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if the listeners know. We had
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at the anniversary, he was on
on site where the whole incident happened,

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and I had rented a satellite phone
and the whole works and and that was

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yeah, that was interesting. Also, so you did that in Hebrew last

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year. That's right. Oh,
okay, Well I was there then too,

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so I was we probably cross paths. I was problem solving. Well

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I could have used you that night. Well, what happened was Alejandro Rojas

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was there and we were talking on
the phone and he actually was digging through

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the crowd and the dark looking for
Travis, who finally showed up. And

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we never even used the satellite phone. Wow, but it worked well.

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We're helping to improve a lot of
the structure and the organization of the conference.

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This year. A wonder whole person
named Karen Brard is taking over or

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Karen Bard, I'm not quite sure
how to pronounce her name. She's a

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good friend of Alejandra's and she has
conference experience and she'll she'll be running the

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conference this year. All right,
all right, Well, I wish I

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could stop that bringing from happening,
but I can't, so I will try

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periodically. I will try Travis get
him on here. Yeah, I've texted

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him a couple of times, just
to let him know that when he's ready

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or when he sees his text,
to just text me and I'll tell you

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to call someone on the chat chat
room. Just we have a chat room

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running. And it said have her
detail her odd experience opposite of live events.

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What does opposite of live events mean? Yeah, I'm not sure.

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I'm just reading the question. Oh
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talk a little more about it,
since there's been a request that's come in.

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I was about nineteen to twenty years
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had already turned twenty at this point. Now, Yeah, I had already

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turned twenty, And it was about
August when I was in Pennsylvania where I

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grew up near the Lansdale area.
I actually grew up in a small town

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called Copsville. And it was in
a period of my life where I was

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writing down my dreams on a regular
basis. I had read one of Edgar

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Casey's books about understanding your subconscious and
I was in a stressful situation in my

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life, and I was trying to
find a healthy alternative to deal with it

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as I was trying to understand my
dream. So next to my bed was

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a journal and a pen. That's
probably why I know about this event,

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because I bothered to note it,
otherwise it may have slipped into oblivion,

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as many things from our young adult
life do. So I woke up at

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about five point thirty in the morning
from a dream that I had, which

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was a troubling dream. I dreamt
I was actually falling from a very high

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place, which is a little odd. I don't know what that means,

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but I dreamt I was falling on
I saw the ground coming close to me,

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and I knew I was going to
die when I hit the ground.

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And when I hit the ground,
my whole body bounced in my bed,

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of course, and I woke up
and I realized, oh, it was

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a dream. So it was about
five point thirty in the morning, so

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I grabbed the book next to my
bed, grabbed the pen, flipped it

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open. Now it was not light
outside completely. It was more like what

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I call black and white. The
sun was starting to come up, but

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it hadn't fully come up, and
I noted that it wasn't quite light out,

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and I looked at what time it
was, and I loaded down in

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the book, and I could see
about a mile and a half to two

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miles, well maybe not that far. I could see maybe a half a

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mile out of my bedroom window.
I had floor to ceiling windows. It

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was a modern house that my father
had built in the fifties, and we

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had a little balcony outside, and
then you know, a pool in a

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meadow, and we had at Mendon
Night farmland around us. I mean,

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we're kind of in a valley,
so I could see this farmland in this

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valley out in front of me.
And as I'm trying to recapture in my

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mind the dream that I had,
I see this odd rectangle of white,

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brilliant light. It is about if
I I took my hand and stretched it

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out at arm's length and was holding
two quarters end to end, which is

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very hard to do, but you
know, about the length of two quarters,

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it would block this rectangle out.
But it was very weird. It

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was this rectangle of light, and
I looked at it, thinking, well,

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that's weird. Maybe it's a blimp
reflecting the sun coming up, or

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maybe it's an airplane and it's gonna
move and then I'll see what it is.

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So I went back to the book, and I'm thinking about the dream,

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and I go back and I look
at this light, and I go

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back and look at my journal,
and back and look at the light.

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And I'm sitting there a few minutes, and finally the light just gets my

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attempt far more than trying to remember
my dream. And I say, like

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most young teenagers would like, what
the bleep was that? Right, you

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know? Or what the bleep is
that? And suddenly, at the moment

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that I asked the question, what
was that light? Because it wasn't moving,

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it seemed to be hovered, urring
and stationary for several minutes. It

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immediately like jumped in and out of
reality, moved right outside my bedroom window,

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less than five hundred feet away.
We had a big tree in our

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meadow which was about seven to eight
stories high, maybe eight to nine stories

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high. You could draw big square
around this tree, like its branches were

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as wide as it was high,
you know, you could draw a rectangle

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around it. And this object,
this rectangle of brilliant white light, was

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sitting above this tree, almost sitting
on top of it, not quite,

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but it was as wide as the
tree. Now, this of course shocked

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me because it like in a blink
of an eye, it was right out

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there in front of me, and
I was shocked. I wanted to jump

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up and move and run away.
I wanted to scream, I wanted to

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yell, But very quickly I realized
that I was completely paralyzed and I could

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not move. I couldn't open my
mouth to scream or yell. I couldn't

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move a finger, I couldn't twitch
an eye. I was just completely stunned

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looking at this thing. And I
also felt extremely heavy, like if I

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tried to move I was I was
like prevented by this huge gravity around me

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or something. Something was odd,
and I knew I had some awareness that

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this object, whatever it was,
was looking at me, was studying me,

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was downloading something. It's uncleared for
me exactly what happened, but for

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me, I noticed a few things. In these were my observations. This

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object was still undulating brilliant white light. Staring at it made me think I

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was going to go blind. But
it didn't light anything up, Like my

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room was not lit up from it. The tree was not lit up.

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The front of my house was not
lit up by it. It was as

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if it was absorbing light, not
putting out light, so there was no

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light coming out of it, but
it itself was brilliant white light like unlight.

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It was like undulated between orange and
bright white and different colors shoes of

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yellows and every color in between.
Now this doesn't make sense, I know,

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Martin, You're probably thinking questions in
your mind, like, well,

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this is weird, right, And
honestly, I never heard anyone have a

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UFO story that sounded like this.
That's why it stayed in my gray box.

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But back to the rest of the
event. Tears were falling down my

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face. I could feel them falling
down my face. I was aware that

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there was water coming out of my
eyes. I was aware that something was

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happening that I wasn't in full capacity
of what that was. And then I

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got the input somewhere in my head
that it was leaving. Whatever was happening

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was done, and it was going
to take off. And in that moment,

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it took off in an opposite direction. So it came in from my

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left, moving right in front of
me, and then it took off moving

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to my right. So it was
when I first saw it. It was

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about fifteen hundred feet in the air, you know, and maybe half a

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mile to a mile away, and
then it zipped right in next to my

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house. And then when it took
off, it took off again in three

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quick jumps in and out of reality
to about a mile maybe a mile and

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a half away, and about fifteen
hundred feet in the air, where it

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stopped dead for a moment. And
at that moment I jumped up, went

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right up to these floor to ceilings, you know, glass window panes,

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and looked at the object and said, wait a minute, like what just

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happened? Who are you? What
are you? What did I just see?

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What did I just experience? You
know? Where are you from?

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I mean, all these questions were
just came right to the surface, and

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I was still crying, and I
was looking at this object, and then

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it just backed out of my of
my perceptibility, as if it moved away

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from our atmosphere up into an upper
atmosphere at intense speed. I saw it

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behind a few clouds for a few
minutes or a few seconds, I should

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say, and then boom, it
just blinked out like a light gets was

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shut off. I mean, it
got smaller, smaller, smaller, small

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ark gone. I mean, that's
the speed with which it disappeared. So

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I ran into my mother's room and
asked her if she had seen this object.

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00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:43.119
I woke her up. She looked
at me and said, why are

410
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:45.160
your you know, why are you
crying? You know? No, she

411
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:47.440
said, well, why are your
pajamas all wet? You know, she

412
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:52.559
was looking at me. Obviously she'd
see I was upset. She also thought

413
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:55.160
I had been on drugs because I
was so animated and so upset. She

414
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:59.160
asked me if I was taking drugs, and I was like, no,

415
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:04.200
I'm not. I'm asking you about
this UFO story. You know, this

416
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:07.720
object that was just you know,
I was quite agitated by it, and

417
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:14.440
she didn't want to discuss it with
me. She was irritated that I had,

418
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:16.039
you know, woken her up.
It was her one morning to sleep

419
00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:20.160
in. I think it was a
Sunday morning. So I went to the

420
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:22.279
bathroom and I walked back in my
room and I looked at the little clock

421
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:25.720
next to my bed, and the
clock said seven o'clock. And I said,

422
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:30.119
now, it can't be seven o'clock. It's not light out. And

423
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:35.440
then of course I looked outside and
realized it was light. The sun had

424
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:39.640
fully risen, and I sat back
down on my bed and I held my

425
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:45.480
head like I literally put both hands
on my head and just was trying to

426
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:52.559
wrap my brain around what had just
happened. I went back, I laid

427
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:54.240
down just I was cuddling myself,
and I kept thinking, no, I

428
00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:57.240
have to write this down. I
have to write it all down. I

429
00:33:57.240 --> 00:33:59.799
don't want to forget this. I
have to write it all down. And

430
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:04.480
all the energy drained out of me. I was so confused by this time

431
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:08.440
difference and by this object I had
just seen that I flipped right back into

432
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:14.360
a sleep, and I had a
couple more dreams. I woke up about

433
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:17.920
ten thirty that morning. I immediately
grabbed the journal and I wrote everything down.

434
00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:21.360
I wrote down the first dream I
had when I woke up at five

435
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:24.159
thirty. I wrote down waking up, seeing the craft, having it come

436
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:28.760
in, the whole ordeal, going
into my mother's room after the event,

437
00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:34.239
talking to her. I wrote it
all down, and then about three weeks

438
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:36.960
later, I went back and I
looked at the journal as I had been

439
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:40.440
instructed by this Edgar Casey book,
you know, understanding your dreams, and

440
00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:45.039
I noted that, g that's interesting. I went and I spoke to my

441
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:49.599
mother, so this probably was not
all a dream. Some of it might

442
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:52.519
have been real. So I went
and I said to my mom, you

443
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:54.800
know, Mom, did I kind
of wake you up about three weeks ago

444
00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:58.400
and you know, ask you if
you saw this UFO? And she was

445
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:00.840
still mad about it. She said, yes, you know, and I'm

446
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:04.800
still pissed off about it. I
was like, all right, that's all

447
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:07.239
I wanted to know, So I
noted in the journal, well, you

448
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:12.559
know, I did talk to my
mom, so that part's real. But

449
00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:16.519
I still didn't know if what I
saw was real until about twenty five years

450
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:23.400
later. I was in Hawaii taking
an open scuba dive course, and I

451
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:29.599
was visiting a friend who had traveled
with me in a road show called Up

452
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:34.679
With with People. I had spent
a year traveling around the world from eighteen

453
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:37.760
to nineteen in this road show,
and this fellow was on the trip with

454
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:42.119
me, and he had gone off
and spent a year in Europe and he

455
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:45.840
had just come home from that and
he was completely out of money. So

456
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:49.519
I had driven to New York to
pick him up, and he was staying

457
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:54.079
with my parents in our house.
He was sleeping outside on a porch we

458
00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:59.000
had in a sleeping bag, and
he had the exact same view I had,

459
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:04.559
one level down. Now we're visiting. We haven't seen each other for

460
00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:07.559
maybe five or six years. We
saw each other periodically. We would get

461
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:12.639
together and he would come visit me, or I would go visit him.

462
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:15.360
So I'm in Hawaii, I'm visiting
him. We're cooking dinner, we're drinking

463
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:20.960
wine. We're actually smoking a cigarette, which I do occasionally, and he

464
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:23.119
stops and says, Jen, I've
been meaning to ask you this forever.

465
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:29.119
You have to tell me what happened
when we had that UFO experience. And

466
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:34.039
I took about three steps back.
The wine glass completely fell out of my

467
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:37.480
hands, shattered all over his floor. I said, what are you talking

468
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:42.960
about? I mean, I was
suddenly panicked and disturbed and confused. And

469
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:45.840
I was like, Wow, this
is weird that you brought this up,

470
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:52.159
because I had just thought, you
know, a few weeks before, I

471
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:55.639
had remembered this event, and I
thought it was time to start to unpack

472
00:36:55.719 --> 00:36:59.920
it. And now I'm visiting my
friend John Trevett, and he mentions it

473
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:02.360
so I said, wait a minute, don't even tell me. You take

474
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:05.920
a pen and piece of paper,
you go out in the backyard, you

475
00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:08.039
know, write your story. I'll
do the same thing in the front yard,

476
00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:13.079
and then we'll come together and we'll
share. I'll read what you wrote,

477
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:15.039
you read what I wrote. I
don't want you messing with my memory

478
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:19.599
because I don't remember the wee part
of it. I remember me, but

479
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:22.840
I don't remember you being there.
I don't know what you're talking about.

480
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:25.880
And you know, maybe you have
a perception of something else that happened,

481
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:29.199
you know, while we were up
with people or someone and you said,

482
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:30.960
no, no, no, oh, Jennett was while I was at your

483
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:34.480
house. I went, okay,
here's your pen, paper, you go

484
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:37.360
write it. And so we read
each other stories and basically we had the

485
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:43.239
same experience. Now, what's very
interesting to me, Martin, is that

486
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:51.239
John had some perceptibility that I was
having the same experience he he was.

487
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:55.679
I did not have that. I
was totally unaware of that. I thought

488
00:37:55.719 --> 00:38:00.960
only that I was having the experience, and and I even completely forgot he

489
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:04.320
was at our house. I didn't
even write it down on my journal.

490
00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:12.559
So that's that's my UPO experience,
and that's what I shared in Exeter.

491
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:17.840
And you know, I still,
you know, gravel with the experience a

492
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:23.519
little bit. I can't tell you
that it's certainly not a typical UFO.

493
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:30.679
It wasn't like a craft that were
used to seeing, like in a disc

494
00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:37.559
or a long cylinder. You know, a lot of people talk about these

495
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:43.039
these long pillars or cylinders. They
look like columns on their side. I

496
00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:46.000
mean, maybe that's what I was
perceiving, but the way I perceived it,

497
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:52.880
I perceived it as a rectangle of
brilliant white light. So what what

498
00:38:53.039 --> 00:39:00.079
for whatever it's worth, that's what
I experienced. So that opened And when

499
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:06.400
I had the awareness that John and
I both had that experience, I think

500
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:13.920
it was around two thousand and I
had just come back from being in England

501
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:19.119
and studying crop circles and filming and
starting really starting to step out of my

502
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:22.719
box. My children were old enough
that I could do a little traveling on

503
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:27.440
my own, and I was just
starting to begin to explore things. And

504
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:31.519
I realized that this was my opportunity
to start to unpack my UFO experiences.

505
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:38.440
So I started going to UFO conferences
like the Lachland Conference, and I started

506
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:44.760
leading other people's work, you know, like Peter Robbins and Ridge Dolan and

507
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:52.599
Travis Walton and Linda Howe. I
was lucky enough to befriend Linda Howe because

508
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.480
she lived in Jamison, Pennsylvania,
and I started having weekends when my girlfriends

509
00:39:55.519 --> 00:40:00.679
would all come over and Linda would
come and we talked for the whole weekend.

510
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:04.480
She'd come Friday night and she'd still
be here someday and she would just

511
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:08.599
like, this was like we were
getting a doctorate degree in high strange.

512
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:14.119
It's from Linda, and it was
wonderful. I just kept cooking meals and

513
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:16.760
putting people to sleep and waking them
up and making beds, and it was

514
00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:23.519
a great introduction to all things strange
and odd. So I feel really indebted

515
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:30.360
to Linda for those special times that
we had, and off often we did

516
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:35.400
this when my husband went off for
two weeks to you know, Japan or

517
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:38.079
China or something on a sales trip, and I had the house to myself.

518
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:40.480
I still had to take care of
my children, but you know,

519
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:45.840
I could have company for the weekend, which I did. I just want

520
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:51.159
to update everyone I was able to
get a hold of Travis through texting,

521
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:54.079
and he is going to be up
in the second hour, so we're just

522
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:59.159
kind of swapping things around. So
he was under the assumption that it was

523
00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:02.440
real late tonight and or his time
or something something happened, but anyway,

524
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:07.280
so he'll be coming on. So
it's perfect that you're talking about this now.

525
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:13.199
We do have a chat room,
so occasionally some questions may come in

526
00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:17.039
there up with people. Someone keeps
asking about that. I actually saw that

527
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:22.719
somewhere I remember years ago, and
it was a bunch of people singing and

528
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:24.480
dancing. Right, is that kind
of what you did? Yes, that's

529
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:30.079
right. Yeah, that's right.
I traveled in seventy three, seventy before,

530
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:36.360
but it had only been incorporated about
two and a half to three years

531
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:40.719
at that point. It got started
in sixty eight as a sort of as

532
00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:45.840
an outgrowth of the Kent State murders
and the Chicago seven. There was a

533
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:54.119
lot of unrest going on and a
couple of wealthy patrons wanted to channel youth's

534
00:41:54.239 --> 00:42:00.119
ability to express themselves. And music
is a great international languae music and dance,

535
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:05.920
so it used to be just like
all folk music, and then we

536
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:12.480
hired a Hollywood producer, and it
turned into a show with the risers and

537
00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:16.119
you know stage platforms that we danced
around on, and a much bigger band.

538
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:19.760
It used to be just a piano
and a couple of guitars, and

539
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:23.960
then we got a sax and horns
and you know, drums, and you

540
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:29.239
know, we we got almost a
full orchestra and created something really special.

541
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:32.920
So I troubled in the very early
days, and I really thought I was

542
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:37.159
doing doing something like trying to help
create peace in the world and trying to

543
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:43.320
help people realize that if we come
together and we we are willing to communicate,

544
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:47.360
and we're willing to share our differences
and actually celebrate our differences rather than

545
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:53.079
fighting over them, we can create
a better world. And the world is

546
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:57.880
really what we create our own worlds
and the world at large. So it

547
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:01.760
was really like a consciousness movement.
Okay, well, I don't want to

548
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:05.800
get too far off track here,
but I just wanted to talk quickly about

549
00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:09.519
that. So one of the things
I had thought of, have you ever

550
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:15.519
had any or thought about having any
regression? I happy I did do a

551
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:19.920
regression. I mean I had,
you know, Bud Hopkins and David Jacobs

552
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:22.320
or Bud was a friend, and
so is David. David's right here in

553
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:28.239
Philadelphia with you know, not far
from me. They had both wanted to

554
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:32.360
regress me, but I wasn't Eddie
at that point, but I eventually did.

555
00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:37.760
When I went to one of the
Lukas Springs conferences, I met a

556
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:40.480
man by the name of Joe Lewell's
and he's written a book called The God

557
00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:47.719
Hypothesis. He is a trained hypnotherapist
and he was also a professor I believe

558
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:53.280
in, an engineer, and he
was also involved in Lufan Texas, and

559
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:58.159
he offered to regress me, and
I felt like it was the right time

560
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:02.119
and the right position. And this
is partially what I spoke about when I

561
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:12.360
was at the Exeter conference. I
was able to have some some deeper insights

562
00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:17.280
into the experience. And it sounds
rather arrogant and rather strange, but I

563
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:24.639
can give you a synopsis of what
the regression revealed. It revealed that a

564
00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:31.400
soul group that I am part of, or a group of other beings.

565
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:36.480
I don't necessarily want to say higher
beings, but maybe they're more spiritually evolved.

566
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:40.320
Certainly they have evolved technology, but
other beings that I have had previous

567
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:47.119
lifetimes with, maybe from another planet
or from this planet, I'm not sure,

568
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:54.280
but these beings came to visit me
and surrounded me, and I had

569
00:44:54.480 --> 00:45:00.679
memory of them. I experienced about
eight different beings and when I looked there,

570
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:05.800
and I experienced them first as balls
of light in the regression, and

571
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:12.880
as I went deeper, looking into
each individual ball of light, I saw

572
00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:16.079
a face. I remembered, a
whole personality. I remembered a whole lifetime.

573
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:22.440
And these were souls or beings that
I felt extremely close with. And

574
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:28.920
that's probably why I was crying.
I was having this reunion of sorts and

575
00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:35.280
I was being uplifted by them coming
to visit me. As arrogant as this

576
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:40.719
sounds, it's almost as if it
felt like part of myself from the future

577
00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:47.719
came to visit myself in my life
in nineteen seventy five to uplift me and

578
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:54.400
to encourage me and to guide me. It and almost like an omen to

579
00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:58.440
say, don't worry, things are
going to be okay. Because I was

580
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:04.079
in a very stressful point in my
life. My father was dying in memphysema.

581
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:07.960
My mother was working very hard to
support a house we could no longer

582
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:14.280
afford, and I was picking up
the slack. I was knowing seven acres

583
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:16.119
of property. I was working full
time, I was in school full time,

584
00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:21.079
and my parents were also on a
point where they weren't really communicating with

585
00:46:21.159 --> 00:46:23.920
each other. They both now you
know, they're deceased and they both passed

586
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:29.519
on, but they were using me
as the conduit to communicate with each other,

587
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:35.039
and that was a very uncomfortable position. So I was really stressed,

588
00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:37.840
and I was spending a lot of
time at an ashram, and I had

589
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:40.400
a lot of other friends that were
doing things like you know, speed and

590
00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:45.880
mushrooms and you know, drinking,
you know, getting very drunk on the

591
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:49.960
weekends, and I didn't want to
choose those options. So I was trying

592
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:53.199
to figure out what my life was
going to be going forward. You know,

593
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:59.079
I couldn't afford a college education like
a lot of my friends were getting,

594
00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:01.159
but I eventually did. I worked
my way through college, but I

595
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:07.960
didn't have parents that could afford to
send me so well, you know,

596
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:12.920
I was just beginning to face my
adult life and wondering what is this going

597
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:15.719
to look like? And the situation
I have going on? How long am

598
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:20.760
I going to be stuck here in
my parents' home dealing with this? And

599
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:29.719
this UFO experience was like a protected
wing that came out and reached out towards

600
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:35.440
me. And that's what the regression
revealed. As odd as that sounds,

601
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:37.440
yeah, it is, it is. I have to say. It's it's

602
00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:44.679
rather odd. How have people received
this when you've when you've told them?

603
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:51.760
In general, I don't really talk
about it unless people ask, and depending

604
00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:55.480
on where a person is in their
own life journey, I share the story

605
00:47:55.519 --> 00:48:00.679
in you know, limited ways,
unless I think they're really interested in the

606
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:07.920
details. I imagine that your listeners
are maybe more interested in the in depth

607
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:13.159
detail, and it's an honor to
be on your show, so I'm sort

608
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:16.360
of revealing a lot more than I
normally do. You know. When I've

609
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:20.760
done a lot of other shows,
it's mostly just been about what it was

610
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:23.119
it like to produce this film with
Travis, and you know, how did

611
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:28.400
that go and how did you get
started. I really haven't spoken a lot

612
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:31.639
about my own UFO experiences, but
this was my first sighting. Now I

613
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:37.480
have had others since then, and
they've all been different, but this was

614
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:44.840
really like a consciousness push for me. It really challenged me. It challenged

615
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:51.400
me both in nineteen seventy five and
it again challenged me in two thousand when

616
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:54.159
I finally realized that okay, I
wasn't the only one that had this kind

617
00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:59.079
of experience. I mean, John
had a very similar experience, and he

618
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:01.719
still wrestles with it himself, trying
to figure out what it was and what

619
00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:07.199
happened. But I know that this
lifetime, I've known from a very early

620
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:13.239
point that this lifetime is about servant
and it's more of about a spiritual journey,

621
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:17.920
and that I would experience very unusual
things, maybe different than people around

622
00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:24.400
me. I had a healing when
I was eleven from appendicitis by literally calling

623
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:31.679
on angels or calling on a higher
of God or a higher being to help

624
00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:37.159
me. Because I was growing up
atheist and I didn't have a religious foundation

625
00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:39.639
to rely on, and I didn't
want to undergo surgery. I was away

626
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:43.519
from home. I was in New
York City by myself at a dance camp,

627
00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:46.239
staying at a YMCA, and I
was about to be rushed off to

628
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:52.960
a hospital for an appendicitis operation.
And I asked for help, and wow,

629
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:57.880
did I get It really freaked me
out, and I thought I was

630
00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:00.840
going to have to spend the rest
of my life as a nun or something,

631
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:05.960
because I didn't know from spiritual journeys
what that meant. When you ask

632
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:10.639
for help and you get it and
you agree to commit your life towards a

633
00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:14.519
higher purpose. You know, I
spent a lot of time trying to figure

634
00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:17.280
out what that was, and now
as I'm older in my life, I

635
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:22.840
know that it relates to creating a
grounded foundation for other people to begin to

636
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:30.119
explore their own experiences and odd things
that happened to them. It's our lives

637
00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:35.559
are much more multi layered than we
realize, and we live in a multi

638
00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:39.840
dimensional universe, and occasionally there are
interfaces and overlaps from these other dimensions.

639
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:45.559
And I think that's where precognition comes
in. And you know, having a

640
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:52.519
sixth sense, perceiving things in the
future before where they happen, or even

641
00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:57.280
knowing who's going to call you on
a phone, or picking up another person's

642
00:50:57.320 --> 00:51:01.599
thoughts. All of these things are
are feasible and possible, and I've been

643
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:06.199
experiencing them in my life for a
very long time and trying to find the

644
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:14.920
appropriate way to deal with it and
and be humbled by it, and you

645
00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:19.119
know not you know, to walk
lightly on the earth and to accept these

646
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:23.960
perceptions as the gifts that they are, and to use them for for good

647
00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:31.280
and not for malicious intent or something
else. Wow. You know now,

648
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:40.320
I was just uh, I was
thinking about what you were saying, and

649
00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:44.559
and it reminded me of another story
that I'd heard, And I was just

650
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:49.400
trying to recall that when you were
talking about the orbs you saw faces in

651
00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:53.280
uh or something like that being true
the regression. I do believe that I

652
00:51:53.280 --> 00:52:00.119
actually had someone talk about that,
oh several months ago, very similar story.

653
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:05.880
Well, yeah, Patty Greer actually
experienced some orbs or she interviewed in

654
00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:08.320
one of her films. She interviewed
a group of people in England who saw

655
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:15.920
orb was in a field and then
beings wafted out of these orbs, appeared,

656
00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:19.760
floated close to people, and then
regressed back into these orbs, and

657
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:22.960
then the orbs disappeared. It was
a similar story to that what you're saying.

658
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:30.400
So I wanted to actually talk about
something else you are involved in the

659
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:34.840
is it the Pennsylvania movefon? Yes, I am, And how did you

660
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:38.920
and what do you do with MoveOn? And when did you get involved?

661
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:44.960
Well? I actually got involved right
around two thousand when I came home from

662
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:51.719
this experience in Hawaii. I had
just come back from a crop circle trip

663
00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:57.199
with Ruben Udiarte, who's the head
of MUFON in northern California, and we

664
00:52:57.199 --> 00:53:02.800
were in the crop circles together and
I asked him if there was a Moufon

665
00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:07.440
group in Pennsylvania and he said,
no, Jen, You're going to have

666
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:13.960
to start one. So I decided
I would start a local MoveOn group because

667
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:19.880
there really wasn't an active one.
Tom Carey was directing a small group about

668
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:22.639
maybe forty minutes from me, and
Tom has written a number of books on

669
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:28.239
Rosweld. And Tom said to me, you know, Jen, why don't

670
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:34.079
you just take over our local group
and do what you're doing at the public

671
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:37.159
library. So I did. I
had started programming through Noetic Sciences because I've

672
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:39.679
been a member of that. I
had met Edgod Mitchell while I was in

673
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:45.119
up with people. We became friends. I got involved in Noetic Sciences and

674
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:49.519
I've been studying and researching sort of
in the spiritual aspect of my life that

675
00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:55.679
I never made the connection stepping into
the UFO connections. So I have for

676
00:53:55.800 --> 00:54:00.840
fourteen almost fifteen years now. I
do local public programming at a local library

677
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:05.440
where once a month I either show
a film or have a speaker, or

678
00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:08.239
I'm presenting, or we have a
dialogue or discussion, or we skype with

679
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:14.719
an expert on various topics and they're
not all UFO related. Some are health

680
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:20.000
and wellness, some are ancient civilization. But it's basically education outside of the

681
00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:24.119
box that you're not normally going to
find, say on television, you know.

682
00:54:24.440 --> 00:54:30.079
Or we're usually ahead of the game. We're showing things five to six

683
00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:35.320
years before they make it to mainstream
media. So I introduce people to grounding

684
00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:40.679
you know technologies, earthing technologies,
health and wellness things, consciousness things,

685
00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:45.639
and I've brought in all sorts of
fabulous speakers. So this is what I

686
00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:49.119
do for move On. I am
also a trained field investigator, but since

687
00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:54.760
I'm also a filmmaker, I want
to be able to reserve the right to

688
00:54:55.440 --> 00:55:00.400
you know, make documentaries from the
people that I interview, So I don't

689
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:06.960
do film work for a mouf on
and I don't go out and do field

690
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:12.519
investigations right now because there's a conflict
of interest there. But I do help

691
00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:16.480
coordinate conferences. I've done the Pennsylvania
MUFON conference with John Ventry for a number

692
00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:20.559
of years now in the Philadelphia area, and I was very involved in the

693
00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:27.719
National symposium helping to organize that just
last year when that was here. Did

694
00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:31.559
you have anything to do at all
with any of the Hanger ones? No,

695
00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:35.800
I am not on the show.
I don't have anything to do with

696
00:55:35.960 --> 00:55:39.239
that. Nobody's bothered to ask my
opinion on anything or to be on the

697
00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:45.320
show, which is fine. I'm
not particularly seeking the limelight since I'm a

698
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:50.880
meteor producer myself, right, usually
more comfortable, you know, behind the

699
00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:53.039
camera rather than in front of it. Yeah. Now, let's talk a

700
00:55:53.079 --> 00:56:00.760
little bit about some of the film
shoot you have created before this one about

701
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:06.360
Travis. Yes, they're on my
website at on Wings Productions. Any of

702
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:10.639
your listeners could go to the website
and see the majority party of that website

703
00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:15.559
is focused on the Travis film because
it's really one of the bigger ones that

704
00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:21.039
I've really undertaken. I've done a
lot of short films, but I have

705
00:56:21.559 --> 00:56:25.639
I did do a film with Ron
James in California called The Disclosure Dialogues.

706
00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:32.679
That was the last big film project
I worked on on before I produced the

707
00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:37.320
Travis Film, and now Ron is
working with me again. We're actually going

708
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:42.280
to come up with a version two
of the Travis Film because there are some

709
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:45.480
things we would like to improve in
the film. So that's currently in the

710
00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:51.079
works. That's been keeping me busy
all year. I see, okay,

711
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:54.800
but I'm really honored. I'm really
honored to share that we've won two Ebby's

712
00:56:54.840 --> 00:57:00.679
with the Travis Film, and we
also won two Ebby's with The Disclosed Dialogue.

713
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:02.840
So when I win, it opened
mins. I room big and it's

714
00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:07.480
really a lot of fun. So
you were out there this February, Yes,

715
00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:10.199
I was. I missed you.
I'm sorry I was out there.

716
00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:15.920
Yeah, Well did you come to
the banquet? The closing banquet? So

717
00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:20.679
I had to leave early. I'm
involved in a startup and it's been crazy,

718
00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:24.760
so so I just was only able
to stay out there for a couple

719
00:57:24.760 --> 00:57:30.039
of days. But we had such
a harsh winter back here in New England.

720
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:32.599
Tell me about it, yes,
tell me about No. It was

721
00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:37.199
worse than Philly, for sure.
You guys really got slammed. We did.

722
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:40.800
I was so happy to go there. I was I could have stayed

723
00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:45.760
there for a month. So we're
going to be ending this out in just

724
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:54.519
just a minute here, So one
last thing, can you It seems to

725
00:57:54.519 --> 00:58:00.320
me that you you just mentioned earlier
your films, were they all really to

726
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:04.880
the UFO experience more or less?
No, not necessarily. I've done someone

727
00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:10.119
Zacharai Sitchen on crop circles. I'm
trying to think, well, this is

728
00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:15.199
up there on my website. There's
another I was a friend who was killed

729
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:19.239
in a terrorist bus attack in Israel, so it was a commemorative film about

730
00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:23.159
her. So there's a long list
of films there people can look at.

731
00:58:24.119 --> 00:58:28.880
I see. Okay, all right, Well we're going to stop now and

732
00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:34.599
take a quick little music break,
but don't go anywhere. We'll be right

733
00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:45.519
back, and then we're going to
try Travis right right after that. Well

734
00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:47.440
we're back. I never know what
I'm gonna be clicking on there for music

735
00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:52.800
that was by Carrie Lloyd Whitehouse,
and earlier we had music by Bruce Renier.

736
00:58:53.440 --> 00:59:00.440
And so we're back with Jennifer Stein
and we are going to give Travis

737
00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:08.480
Walton a try and I hope I
saved his Ah, all right, this

738
00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:13.079
is uh, this has been a
little bit of a challenge getting a hold

739
00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:17.039
of Travis. His number just faded
out on the screen. So just hang

740
00:59:17.119 --> 00:59:22.039
in there, everybody. You are
back right, Jennifer, I'm right here,

741
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:28.000
yep. Okay, So here we
go. I just have to type

742
00:59:28.039 --> 00:59:35.639
this in and I apologize to the
listener. We'll get right on this and

743
00:59:35.760 --> 01:00:07.039
he should be ready to go and
we'll try it. I'm warning if he

744
01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:13.840
knows this. Hello, Yeah,
Travis, Hey, how are you welcome

745
01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:19.360
to the show? Great aday with
you. Jennifer's on as well, and

746
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:24.559
Travis, are you driving? Yes, I am, but I'll be stationary

747
01:00:24.639 --> 01:00:30.719
here in a minute. Okay,
all right, So we just had a

748
01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:31.360
little bit of a mix up.
You thought you were going to be on

749
01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:36.159
later on. I guess, oh
yeah, yeah, I'm just stow.

750
01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:44.360
The show was between for the last
forty five minutes, forty five till eleven.

751
01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:53.159
That would be quite late tonight,
so I don't know, yeah,

752
01:00:53.360 --> 01:01:00.960
how it got so early. Yeah, well the time difference maybe for three

753
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:04.920
hour time differs. I don't see
how this is anywhere near eleven time.

754
01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:07.480
Oh no, no, no,
the show is, uh, yeah,

755
01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:13.719
the show is eight to ten,
eight to ten. But anyway, when

756
01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:15.000
do you think you'll be home,
Because we're getting a lot of noise here.

757
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:20.960
I might just bring you back.
I'm about five minutes, all right,

758
01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:23.159
And are we able to call you
at the other number? No,

759
01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:27.480
okay, I'll call you at this
this number. We'll call you back,

760
01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:32.119
Travis, Okay, okay, all
right. Thanks. So another thing,

761
01:01:34.360 --> 01:01:37.800
Jennifer has just said, we're trying
to get our sound quality up a little

762
01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:40.760
bit. I think I believe I
told you that because as everybody knows,

763
01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:45.239
Art Bell is coming back on fairly
soon, and that's one of the the

764
01:01:46.199 --> 01:01:49.920
pet peeves, so to speak,
is to get really good sound quality.

765
01:01:50.039 --> 01:01:54.519
So hopefully we'll have a better,
better call in just a few minutes.

766
01:01:55.360 --> 01:02:01.400
So that's hugely important for you listen. So that's good. I really appreciate

767
01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:06.679
you helping me walk through and proving
my sound. Yeah, we are having

768
01:02:06.719 --> 01:02:08.480
a bit of dropout on your internet, but there's really nothing we can do

769
01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:14.679
about that at this point. Yes, I apologize. I don't know why

770
01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:21.320
occasionally I hear the dropout on your
end when we were talking to Since this

771
01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:24.440
hour was going to be about Travis
the film, Why don't you talk about

772
01:02:24.440 --> 01:02:30.119
how that whole thing fell came about? Okay, well, I've been going

773
01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:40.440
to UFO conferences, as I'd mentioned, and I was asked by Peter Robbins

774
01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:46.119
to come out and help him on
the Rosweld conference. I actually volunteered myself

775
01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:51.320
to kind of be as assistant and
help and support it because Peter for many

776
01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:54.760
years ran the Rosweld conference. So
this particular year, I think it was

777
01:02:54.800 --> 01:03:00.440
twenty ten, Travis was there,
and it's the first time I really got

778
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:04.480
to meet Travis personally, and we
all went out to dinner and we started

779
01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:07.599
to talk about the fact that in
a couple of years, in five years,

780
01:03:07.639 --> 01:03:10.960
it was going to be the fortieth
anniversary where they had just had the

781
01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:15.000
thirty fifth anniversary, or that the
thirty fifth was coming up. And I

782
01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:20.760
said, Travis, you know all
these UFO conference sinces are starting up around

783
01:03:20.800 --> 01:03:24.000
the country. Have you ever thought
about having a conference in Snowflake? Because

784
01:03:24.119 --> 01:03:30.119
you have one of the all time
favorite, you know, top UFO events.

785
01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:34.880
Maybe you should do a UFO conference
in your own local neighborhood. It

786
01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:40.440
would stimulate the economy and whatnot.
I wasn't thinking about the film. Yet

787
01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:45.920
you know, I was just running
conferences in Philly and Peter was running conferences.

788
01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:51.199
So we started to talk to Travis
about this, and we volunteered ourselves

789
01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:57.760
to help him coordinate a thirty I
guess the thirty sixth conference. Well,

790
01:03:57.800 --> 01:04:01.639
the thirty six never happened, thirty
seventh never happened, and the thirty eighth

791
01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:06.719
never happened. But the thirty ninth
happened. And partly I think it was

792
01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:14.079
because I started to see and realize
the potential for a film. And the

793
01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:19.280
reason I understood or could see my
way clear, you know, down the

794
01:04:19.320 --> 01:04:26.039
corridor to produce a film was again
focused around a conference. We decided that

795
01:04:26.159 --> 01:04:30.199
if it was November and it was
snowing and Travis wanted to take people up

796
01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:32.480
to the site where the event took
place, he really wasn't going to be

797
01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:36.679
able to do that, so maybe
we ought to produce a short piece for

798
01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:42.679
the conference that would be like a
virtual tour of the site. And I

799
01:04:42.760 --> 01:04:46.519
agreed to fly out there, and
this is I think in August of It

800
01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:49.480
was about three years ago, was
the first time I flew out there,

801
01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:54.519
and I brought another cameraman with me
in a bunch of equipment and we went

802
01:04:54.679 --> 01:05:00.199
up into the woods with Travis and
some of the other crew members showed up

803
01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:03.480
up and we actually did walk throughs
in the forest and we talked with them

804
01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:06.880
and we shot them going back to
the site. So I think that was

805
01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:13.920
for the thirty eighth That was the
thirty eighth year, and we edited that

806
01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:19.719
together, and we created a little
piece called Tracking sky Fire, and it

807
01:05:19.760 --> 01:05:25.400
was to be used in the place
of actually going to the site if we

808
01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:28.920
couldn't go to the site in November, you know, if Travis got it

809
01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:31.239
together to organize a conference, you
know, this would be a backup.

810
01:05:31.719 --> 01:05:36.000
Once I produced that, I realized, gee, you know, I'm halfway

811
01:05:36.039 --> 01:05:42.760
there to a really decent documentary.
All I need is this other stuff,

812
01:05:42.800 --> 01:05:45.440
you know, some archive footage and
some interviews with some experts. The following

813
01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:49.679
year, I was planning the Mutual
UFO conference here in Philly, and there

814
01:05:49.719 --> 01:05:54.559
were a number of experts coming in
for that. So I sat them down

815
01:05:54.599 --> 01:06:00.440
and I had a like a major
studio set up up stairs in the Crown

816
01:06:00.519 --> 01:06:03.119
Plaza Hotel in Philadelphia, and I
interviewed a group of people, and then

817
01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:08.639
I interviewed other people as well,
where and how I could surrounding the Travis

818
01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:13.079
story. And then I went out
and I found the polygraph person. I

819
01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:16.639
went and flew out to Arizona and
interviewed Sheriff Gillespie and a couple of other

820
01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:23.239
people connected with the story, and
then I edited together a really good quality

821
01:06:23.320 --> 01:06:27.880
documentary. So it kind of developed
in steps. You know, it didn't

822
01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:32.079
happen all at once. I didn't
even see the potential of being able to

823
01:06:32.440 --> 01:06:38.079
afford to produce the film when we
first started talking about the conferences. Hang

824
01:06:38.119 --> 01:06:42.639
on, we have a caller on
the line. Caller, please introduce yourself

825
01:06:42.199 --> 01:06:46.360
and ask your question him Martin.
Peggy, Oh hey, Peggy, how

826
01:06:46.360 --> 01:06:50.000
are you? I'm good? How
are you good? Longtime no talk.

827
01:06:51.079 --> 01:06:57.480
Peggy's out in Las Vegas, so
and she helps out with the show.

828
01:06:57.639 --> 01:07:01.320
She helps out every day with the
Facebook. And I can't thank you enough

829
01:07:01.320 --> 01:07:06.000
for doing that. Peggy, Oh, yes you could. Okay, So,

830
01:07:06.079 --> 01:07:10.320
do you have a question for again
money. Well, I'm really enjoying

831
01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:14.400
it, Jennifer. I enjoyed your
dream story. I guess I don't have

832
01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:18.920
a question for her. I'm taking
ahead to when Travis comes on. Do

833
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:23.599
you mind no? Go ahead?
Well, you know, every time I've

834
01:07:23.599 --> 01:07:28.440
heard Travis speak, and I never
get tired of hearing him. I never

835
01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:31.440
get enough of his description of the
human entity. Do you remember that?

836
01:07:32.480 --> 01:07:36.840
Are you talking about the ones with
the masks? I don't know, but

837
01:07:38.199 --> 01:07:43.519
he encountered human like entities aboard the
ship, and maybe Jennifer remembers that,

838
01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:47.320
But it seems like whenever he's spent
on or any show, it cuts off

839
01:07:47.360 --> 01:07:51.000
before we get or it's just kind
of set in passing. And I would

840
01:07:51.039 --> 01:07:56.360
really like to have some more information
about that. You know, who do

841
01:07:56.360 --> 01:08:00.400
you thinks those people were? You
know, were they actually uman? You

842
01:08:00.440 --> 01:08:04.000
know? What's so a feel he
got about them? Yeah, well,

843
01:08:04.039 --> 01:08:09.039
we'll have to ask him what he's
on because that is fascinating. And if

844
01:08:09.079 --> 01:08:14.000
I remember right, they didn't speak
at all, they were and I don't

845
01:08:14.039 --> 01:08:16.880
know, I heard this description somewhere
else, Peggy, someone said that they

846
01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:23.079
were actually like really beautiful people,
like amazingly beautiful. I'll have to ask

847
01:08:23.119 --> 01:08:27.640
him about that, probably my relatives
And listen, what about these orbits with

848
01:08:27.760 --> 01:08:32.600
faces that Jennifer was talking about.
I don't understand that. Well, that's

849
01:08:32.680 --> 01:08:42.159
what I experienced in my regression.
I was, I was you know,

850
01:08:42.319 --> 01:08:46.439
asked some questions by joe Lewells,
who was doing the regression, because all

851
01:08:46.479 --> 01:08:49.439
I could I was at a certain
point where all I could just see was

852
01:08:49.479 --> 01:08:54.720
the craft and nothing was happening in
the regression, and he said, you

853
01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:57.760
know, can you can you move
into the craft or can anything from the

854
01:08:57.800 --> 01:09:02.680
craft move to you? And when
he gave me that suggestion, then I

855
01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:09.199
was able to see something and I
literally stepped into this rectangle of light,

856
01:09:09.399 --> 01:09:12.439
and at the moment that I did, I had a few quick glimpses of

857
01:09:12.520 --> 01:09:16.000
things, but then suddenly everything shut
down and all I could see was all

858
01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:20.159
these orbs that surrounded me. Oh, you know, Jennifer, I had

859
01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:27.279
a close encounter experience when I was
six, and I have never looked into

860
01:09:28.159 --> 01:09:31.279
as far as having regression. Would
you recommend it? Do you think it

861
01:09:31.319 --> 01:09:39.479
really helped you? Well, I
still am left with some big questions.

862
01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:44.399
It helped me sort of. I
don't know if what I experienced in my

863
01:09:44.439 --> 01:09:49.239
regression is actually what happened, because
there is the potential that we could have

864
01:09:49.720 --> 01:09:56.560
made things up. The only quality
that I took from the regression that made

865
01:09:56.600 --> 01:10:02.720
me really think it was really well
was the emotional component that I experienced when

866
01:10:02.840 --> 01:10:08.720
I looked into each of those orbs
and I remembered these beings, It's like

867
01:10:08.840 --> 01:10:13.239
I had memories of lifetimes with them, and I was so happy to see

868
01:10:13.279 --> 01:10:16.039
them. It was like I had
seen someone who had been dead for like

869
01:10:16.199 --> 01:10:19.920
two hundred years. You knew a
lot. Because I think that all these

870
01:10:20.000 --> 01:10:26.119
experiences are interrelated near death experiences,
you know, what you see in regression,

871
01:10:26.199 --> 01:10:31.319
past lives, and the UFOE encounters
are all somehow interrelated. Yes,

872
01:10:31.439 --> 01:10:34.319
I think that they are, and
I don't think we yet know how to

873
01:10:34.520 --> 01:10:43.920
language these experiences in the appropriate way
to really explain that that interface. But

874
01:10:44.079 --> 01:10:46.560
if you study the work of Gary
Schwartz, or you look at you know,

875
01:10:47.000 --> 01:10:56.960
some of the other great you know
scientists and physicists that are perceiving these

876
01:10:57.000 --> 01:11:00.600
other dimensions in the universe. Person, even if you're a mathematician and you

877
01:11:00.640 --> 01:11:04.640
look at the work of Max Plank, we are stepping into what we do

878
01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:10.159
in the world. Yes, well
we we we live in a quantum world

879
01:11:10.439 --> 01:11:16.159
and there are multiple dimensions there and
there could be other out as of theory.

880
01:11:16.399 --> 01:11:20.239
Correct, yes, right, well, it's it's it's more than a

881
01:11:20.279 --> 01:11:25.800
theory. It's it's actually a known
fact. Now scientific all all science is

882
01:11:25.840 --> 01:11:30.520
a theory. I'm sorry, well
it is. I think it's I think

883
01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:34.039
I think they're on the right track. There's nothing that's a fact, right,

884
01:11:35.560 --> 01:11:42.039
and the facts change that correct?
Yes, yes, as as our

885
01:11:42.079 --> 01:11:46.640
ability to have repeatability to be changes
than are our perception of what's real changes.

886
01:11:46.960 --> 01:11:49.039
All right, I'm going to bring
Travis on. Hang in there,

887
01:11:49.079 --> 01:11:55.600
pay, I'm going to let you
ask him that question. Okay, I

888
01:11:55.600 --> 01:12:06.880
think I can make this work.
One ringy dingy? Does everyone remember that?

889
01:12:08.640 --> 01:12:13.720
Really? Tomlin? That's right whom
I thought in concert? Really?

890
01:12:14.359 --> 01:12:18.880
She was fabulous. Hello, please
leave a message. Oh gosh, you

891
01:12:18.920 --> 01:12:26.439
know that's that's the wrong number.
Oh lord, hell okay, oh all

892
01:12:26.560 --> 01:12:33.720
right, so are you there?
Everyone's still there? I'm here. Okay,

893
01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:38.279
Well, you know I'm The thing
I worry about was regrets. Regrets

894
01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:44.239
the regression therapy is that I have
read so much and know so much.

895
01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:47.520
I'm afraid my mind would be cluttered
with all of that. All right,

896
01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:56.760
I think we I think we inadvertently
dropped the radio station. Oh dear,

897
01:12:57.800 --> 01:13:05.359
so no one's hearing this, I
believe. Oh all right, I think

898
01:13:05.479 --> 01:13:14.239
maybe we're back on Chatroom three.
I'm back. You're on now, That's

899
01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:18.640
what the chat room says, Hello, chat room. All right, good,

900
01:13:18.680 --> 01:13:23.159
he's back. We're all sat here. Sorry about that, And that

901
01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:30.039
was definitely the other number. I
am going to try Travis again, and

902
01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:32.680
you too, go ahead and talk
while I'm trying to work this thing out.

903
01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:36.720
Okay, So Peggy, I can
tell you a little bit about the

904
01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:44.960
beings Travis encountered from my understanding and
my perspective and working with him. When

905
01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:49.680
he woke up, he encountered what
he described as probably grays, although they

906
01:13:49.720 --> 01:13:55.960
had whiter faces. They were about
four feet tall, big heads, big

907
01:13:56.119 --> 01:14:02.479
eyes on your jewel hands, and
you know, very short, thin bodies,

908
01:14:03.119 --> 01:14:08.239
and he was frightened by them.
He said they were very ugly,

909
01:14:08.960 --> 01:14:13.880
and he mustered enough strength to get
up off the table he was on.

910
01:14:13.960 --> 01:14:15.560
They were standing around him while he
was on a table. He had his

911
01:14:15.640 --> 01:14:21.000
clothes on. There was a device
on his chest that was probably healing him

912
01:14:21.039 --> 01:14:25.920
somewhere in his chest. He felt
very weak, and he got up off

913
01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:30.520
the table grabbed what he thought was
some sort of glass to amongst a group

914
01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:33.800
of like medical equipment tools that he
found on a table in the room that

915
01:14:34.840 --> 01:14:39.159
I'm Sorry, that's not the part
that she was asking about. Sorry to

916
01:14:39.159 --> 01:14:43.319
interview. She's asking about the human
like beings. But what I'm trying to

917
01:14:43.359 --> 01:14:47.000
explain is that he waved a wand
to get these I read it in a

918
01:14:47.119 --> 01:14:54.720
movie. Why you think I'd remember
more? But travisyly, I can hear

919
01:14:54.760 --> 01:14:59.319
you. We have the right number. Finally, Travis, Travis, we

920
01:14:59.359 --> 01:15:03.239
have pat the line. I'm sure
you know Jennifer quite well. She's also

921
01:15:03.319 --> 01:15:08.479
on. But Peggy's out in Las
Vegas and she had a go ahead and

922
01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:11.319
ask that question right to Travis.
If you would, Peggy, Hi,

923
01:15:11.479 --> 01:15:15.159
Travis, Hi, Peggy. I
had a question. You've probably answered it

924
01:15:15.239 --> 01:15:19.920
one hundred times that I've never I
guess gotten to hear it. It's about

925
01:15:20.079 --> 01:15:25.680
the human like entities that you encountered
on while you were on the craft.

926
01:15:26.079 --> 01:15:31.039
I wondered if you could go into
some detail about that. Well, what

927
01:15:31.079 --> 01:15:34.159
do you mean, what kind of
detail do you in the description of what,

928
01:15:34.920 --> 01:15:39.239
yeah, and how you felt about
them and did you feel that they

929
01:15:39.279 --> 01:15:44.479
were actually human? Yeah? You
know, people were always wondering worthy some

930
01:15:44.680 --> 01:15:48.720
kind of a robot that was created
by the small creatures in order to be

931
01:15:48.880 --> 01:15:56.560
more you know, soothing to me. But uh, obviously, with an

932
01:15:56.600 --> 01:16:02.159
incredibly advanced technology, if you could
create a being, a machine that could

933
01:16:02.840 --> 01:16:06.560
stand in the place of a human
being, you're not going to see any

934
01:16:06.760 --> 01:16:13.239
signs like you know, you're not
gonna hear worrying and wrecking and jerky movements.

935
01:16:13.239 --> 01:16:16.399
You know, it's it's it's gonna
be far better than that. You

936
01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:20.359
know. My theory is that if
it was that you wouldn't be able to

937
01:16:20.399 --> 01:16:26.359
tell anyway. But I really don't
think that that's the case. I think

938
01:16:26.439 --> 01:16:34.560
that it was an independent species that
was probably involved just because they were in

939
01:16:34.600 --> 01:16:43.760
a position to communicate with you at
all. Well, okay, was that

940
01:16:43.960 --> 01:16:46.159
was that a frustrating time for you? Of course the whole thing was.

941
01:16:46.199 --> 01:16:50.680
But I mean that you wanted to
communicate with them and they just didn't say

942
01:16:50.680 --> 01:16:57.159
anything. Yeah, there was no
response. You know, I was just

943
01:16:58.319 --> 01:17:01.960
out of control. I was well
screaming in that way. But they could

944
01:17:01.960 --> 01:17:05.399
have said something, you know,
let's calm down or something, you know,

945
01:17:08.600 --> 01:17:15.319
we come in peace. Something.
Yeah, something like that. I'm

946
01:17:15.319 --> 01:17:19.319
going to it doesn't get too confusing
with three people on the line. I

947
01:17:19.399 --> 01:17:25.159
was just going to ask if you
had any other questions for I okay,

948
01:17:25.359 --> 01:17:29.560
thank thank you, Jennifer, thank
you, Travis, thank you, Cardon

949
01:17:30.359 --> 01:17:34.880
very well, bye bye, Thanks
Peggy. Anyone else is also welcome to

950
01:17:34.920 --> 01:17:40.399
call in two. That's six oh
three nine sixty seven, four oh three

951
01:17:40.399 --> 01:17:45.560
to zero. There's a question up
on the message board, Travis. Someone

952
01:17:45.640 --> 01:17:48.680
wants to know if there were other
UFO sightings in the area around the time

953
01:17:48.840 --> 01:17:53.760
that you were abducted. And that's
a good question, that's a good listener.

954
01:17:54.199 --> 01:17:58.439
There certainly was us and there were
even some of these reports that were

955
01:17:58.520 --> 01:18:01.880
in the sheriff file that we were
able to get a look at years later

956
01:18:02.279 --> 01:18:10.079
after the case was basically closed.
And also I was contacted independently from other

957
01:18:11.039 --> 01:18:14.520
hunters, campers, you know,
fishermen in the area who saw it go

958
01:18:14.680 --> 01:18:17.920
over. Oh yes, I remember
that there was a hunter that validated that

959
01:18:18.560 --> 01:18:27.760
afterwards. Another question up on the
message board. Have you know oftentimes you

960
01:18:27.760 --> 01:18:30.680
hear about people that are abducted.
Your case was a little different though,

961
01:18:30.680 --> 01:18:34.560
because it was most likely you think
it might be most likely a rescue mission

962
01:18:34.680 --> 01:18:42.600
as you resapt But someone wants to
know if if you've had repeat abductions.

963
01:18:43.159 --> 01:18:48.880
That's probably the most common question I
get almost every single time I go anywhere,

964
01:18:48.920 --> 01:18:58.920
I get that repeatedly, I mean
more than wanting, and I don't

965
01:18:58.920 --> 01:19:02.319
have anything to report. Uh huh. Well, your your case was not

966
01:19:02.520 --> 01:19:13.079
like the typical quote unquote abduction.
I mean was totally unplanned and they didn't

967
01:19:13.079 --> 01:19:15.600
even want to take you, but
they try to rescue you. Yeah,

968
01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:21.199
they were forced to because of my
unexpected action. Yeah, that's my theory.

969
01:19:21.239 --> 01:19:26.359
Anyway, I watched the movie.
By the way, Peter Robin sent

970
01:19:26.399 --> 01:19:30.439
me the movie and I watched it, and Jennifer, I want to compliment

971
01:19:30.520 --> 01:19:34.640
you on your great work and your
your beautiful editing, and Travis, you

972
01:19:34.720 --> 01:19:40.560
must be pretty pleased with the film. Oh yeah, it's exceptional and definitely

973
01:19:41.279 --> 01:19:45.039
And do you feel, you know, everyone knows you or the story.

974
01:19:45.119 --> 01:19:47.720
Not everyone, but a lot of
people from Fire in the Sky and I

975
01:19:47.760 --> 01:19:50.680
know there was a lot of things
that were a little less stray in that

976
01:19:51.439 --> 01:19:56.399
but still a very popular movie,
still being watched a lot today. Do

977
01:19:56.439 --> 01:20:00.680
you feel like this movie that you
did just kind of puts a lot of

978
01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:03.880
those things to rest that were different
in that movie. Well, yeah,

979
01:20:04.039 --> 01:20:10.600
but you know, this film is
a documentary primarily. I mean there's some

980
01:20:11.840 --> 01:20:15.920
re enactments, but you know,
probably the only way the original Fire in

981
01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:18.800
the Sky will I will be fully
put the rest would be for a major

982
01:20:18.840 --> 01:20:24.840
studio to do or remake a full
of graumatization that just sticks closer to the

983
01:20:24.880 --> 01:20:30.039
real story on that kind of scale. But it certainly is a really important

984
01:20:30.079 --> 01:20:38.279
step in that direction to set the
record straight. M So when you worked,

985
01:20:38.479 --> 01:20:43.279
when you two worked together, did
you start at the beginning or did

986
01:20:43.319 --> 01:20:45.880
you you know, I know how
I've been involved a little bit in some

987
01:20:45.960 --> 01:20:49.159
short films and stuff like that,
and I know how you can take any

988
01:20:49.199 --> 01:20:53.600
part of something and added in to
make it work right. How did you

989
01:20:54.039 --> 01:20:57.279
how did you start with this?
Well, you know it was kind of

990
01:20:57.359 --> 01:21:01.880
you know, whatever wherever we were, and ardiculous situation or whoever was going

991
01:21:01.960 --> 01:21:06.640
to be in the film, Uh, their availability kind of determine the time

992
01:21:08.159 --> 01:21:12.479
sequence of the shoot, which is
certainly not chronological with the film. And

993
01:21:12.560 --> 01:21:16.720
you know there were some elements that
were you know, the editing decisions about

994
01:21:16.760 --> 01:21:23.199
where to put those things probably came
much later after all that the filming was

995
01:21:23.239 --> 01:21:28.159
done. Travis, Before I forget, I wanted to talk to you about

996
01:21:28.319 --> 01:21:36.920
something I I stumbled across a Let's
see some type of forum somewhere where someone

997
01:21:38.000 --> 01:21:43.399
was actually bashing you, you know
how that happens, and then you stepped

998
01:21:43.439 --> 01:21:45.359
in and cleared the air about a
lot of things, and people were asking,

999
01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:48.560
well, how do we know this
is Travis and you ended up?

1000
01:21:48.880 --> 01:21:53.319
But are you familiar with that whole
situation? Does that happen? Still a

1001
01:21:53.319 --> 01:21:58.880
lot that does happen, you know, and generally the people who attack or

1002
01:21:58.920 --> 01:22:02.640
the people who know really and really, you don't confuse me with the thoughts.

1003
01:22:02.680 --> 01:22:08.000
I've got an opinion here, but
come me out then will mess with

1004
01:22:08.039 --> 01:22:12.239
the facts later. Uh huh.
Now does it just drive you crazy though?

1005
01:22:12.279 --> 01:22:15.119
To I mean, do you do
actually search and look to see what

1006
01:22:15.159 --> 01:22:18.920
people are saying? Or I mean
you could go crazy doing that. Well,

1007
01:22:19.239 --> 01:22:24.880
I don't look for it, you
know. Probably the only way it

1008
01:22:24.960 --> 01:22:28.279
was if so many friendly to me
gives me a heads up and say,

1009
01:22:28.359 --> 01:22:32.279
hey, you know what Zoneso said
over here. Yeah. But you know,

1010
01:22:32.680 --> 01:22:35.720
I've said many times your name has
come up on my show in the

1011
01:22:35.760 --> 01:22:40.600
past, and I've said that I've
sat right across from you and talked with

1012
01:22:40.640 --> 01:22:51.159
you about this whole situation, and
you're I'm sorry, sorry, I'm sorry.

1013
01:22:51.239 --> 01:22:57.039
That's Jennifer's home phone. I've just
answered it and hung up. I

1014
01:22:57.039 --> 01:23:04.439
didn't think to the room. I
apologize and okay, we were having feedback

1015
01:23:04.479 --> 01:23:11.600
there, so okay, so you
know, I totally lost my question.

1016
01:23:12.520 --> 01:23:15.680
Well, when you were studying across
from me and we had discussed with in

1017
01:23:15.760 --> 01:23:21.880
the past. It's just the fact
that I believe you all the way.

1018
01:23:21.960 --> 01:23:25.520
You know, I even told this
with my son the other day when we're

1019
01:23:25.520 --> 01:23:28.000
out to dinner. You know,
it's like you are. You know,

1020
01:23:28.039 --> 01:23:31.359
there's some people that I've set and
talked to, Charlie Foltz and Jim Wiener

1021
01:23:31.960 --> 01:23:39.119
and the Allegash incident and your your
case. I don't have a single question.

1022
01:23:39.399 --> 01:23:45.600
I believe that that that happened to
you, and I I just think

1023
01:23:45.640 --> 01:23:48.600
that if you were going to hoax
any of this, I mean that that

1024
01:23:48.640 --> 01:23:51.520
would be a lot of effort to
do, first of all, and then

1025
01:23:51.800 --> 01:24:00.239
your story and like like the alligash
also has never strayed. It's it's it's

1026
01:24:00.279 --> 01:24:03.279
never changed. Maybe other people involved
in the incident may, you know,

1027
01:24:03.520 --> 01:24:08.119
say a few things, but other
than that, the story remains exactly the

1028
01:24:08.159 --> 01:24:13.680
same. And well, I just
don't understand why anybody would want something like

1029
01:24:13.760 --> 01:24:19.159
this to happen to them, right, yeah. Absolutely. I remember the

1030
01:24:19.159 --> 01:24:23.720
first time we met about two or
three years ago, and I asked you

1031
01:24:23.800 --> 01:24:28.399
the question, if you could go
back and have this never happen, would

1032
01:24:28.399 --> 01:24:34.199
you, you know, and you
said absolutely, you know there may have

1033
01:24:34.319 --> 01:24:40.359
been has some good come out of
this? Oh yeah? You have to

1034
01:24:40.399 --> 01:24:43.720
look for the good in order to
cope with the bad, and so you

1035
01:24:43.760 --> 01:24:46.760
know, you know, you look
around and I've learned a lot about a

1036
01:24:46.760 --> 01:24:51.760
lot of things. You know,
that's that's a good thing. Right.

1037
01:24:51.880 --> 01:24:58.279
And then also there's been an evolution
in people's response to it. It's much

1038
01:24:58.319 --> 01:25:00.119
different than it used to be.
You know, most of the time when

1039
01:25:00.119 --> 01:25:05.479
I go out in public in the
in the communities around here, I get

1040
01:25:05.640 --> 01:25:13.079
a lot of positive feedback from people. Now, someone up on the message

1041
01:25:13.079 --> 01:25:16.960
board wants to know, have you
ever done regression? I think you have,

1042
01:25:16.960 --> 01:25:21.279
haven't you? Yes, just only
a few days after it happened.

1043
01:25:21.319 --> 01:25:27.399
That's the only regression I've done,
and I haven't wanted to do anymore.

1044
01:25:27.680 --> 01:25:31.279
It was really it was not a
good situation, right, well, there

1045
01:25:31.359 --> 01:25:35.920
was. It came out that there
was other memories, but there was a

1046
01:25:35.960 --> 01:25:41.760
message that it would be very dangerous
to me to pursue it. And for

1047
01:25:41.800 --> 01:25:46.279
a while I thought that was just
a fearat just a bluff to may need

1048
01:25:46.279 --> 01:25:54.560
to keep keep people from prying into
that. But then it came up the

1049
01:25:54.640 --> 01:26:02.119
idea that perhaps regressing someone back in
time through a period during which they were

1050
01:26:02.479 --> 01:26:09.119
in cardiac arrest might actually cause cardiac
arrest. Now I understand this is a

1051
01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:12.920
fear. This is cardiac arrest from
being hit with a blast of energy.

1052
01:26:13.720 --> 01:26:19.560
M I see. And once you
had a person relive it to that extent

1053
01:26:19.640 --> 01:26:25.119
where they're there and then they're in
cardiac arrest, you're no longer able to

1054
01:26:25.159 --> 01:26:30.560
get them back out with hypnosis because
they're they're gone. Wow, I heard

1055
01:26:30.600 --> 01:26:36.119
anything like that actually happening the thing. Has anybody ever been hypnotized about a

1056
01:26:36.199 --> 01:26:41.760
time when they were in cardiac arrest? I doubt it. I suppose that's

1057
01:26:41.880 --> 01:26:47.680
right. Do you ever have dreams
about the the incident? Yeah? Yeah,

1058
01:26:47.680 --> 01:26:51.720
I sure did you know? And
in the aftermath they were mostly nightmares

1059
01:26:51.840 --> 01:27:00.520
and mostly just fear based pain based
about the smaller entity. But the later,

1060
01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:06.760
uh dreams are too much later or
mostly about the human type. Really

1061
01:27:06.840 --> 01:27:15.600
wow, And and if I remember
right of course you you stepped off of

1062
01:27:16.119 --> 01:27:20.359
you basically stepped off of the crap, possibly in a mothership, is that

1063
01:27:20.479 --> 01:27:26.000
right now? You know it's some
kind of a base or hangar or possibly

1064
01:27:26.039 --> 01:27:29.039
on other ship. Yeah. Yeah, I couldn't tell whether it was a

1065
01:27:29.039 --> 01:27:32.239
building or a huge ship. Oh
yeah, that whole that whole thing is

1066
01:27:32.319 --> 01:27:36.479
just totally amazing. It's hard.
It must be hard to wrap your head

1067
01:27:36.520 --> 01:27:43.840
around exactly what was happening here.
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, so

1068
01:27:44.079 --> 01:27:46.760
Jennifer, just uh, I can
ask either one of you this question.

1069
01:27:47.279 --> 01:27:51.920
When you decided to make this movie, was there any of the people that

1070
01:27:51.960 --> 01:28:00.600
you tried to get on film?
Did they decline? I don't recall anyone

1071
01:28:00.680 --> 01:28:08.760
declining. Actually, I have would
still like to be able to reach Mike

1072
01:28:08.960 --> 01:28:13.359
Rogers. I only have archive footage
of Mike. I was not able to

1073
01:28:13.640 --> 01:28:19.800
interview him directly. He's the only
one of the crew that Wader died.

1074
01:28:20.840 --> 01:28:26.680
Yes, And that's was my next
sentence. There are some people are living,

1075
01:28:26.720 --> 01:28:30.000
and that's why these films are so
important to make, because you never

1076
01:28:30.119 --> 01:28:38.079
know what can happen. And I
just think that the younger generations need to

1077
01:28:39.680 --> 01:28:44.720
know that this happened forty years ago
and these these sorts of things do happen,

1078
01:28:45.279 --> 01:28:49.720
and they may Yeah, they might
be signs to the future about us

1079
01:28:49.760 --> 01:28:55.960
having eventual contact with other species and
we need to figure out how we're going

1080
01:28:56.039 --> 01:29:00.800
to deal with that, you know
what, how we want that to happen.

1081
01:29:02.199 --> 01:29:06.920
Well, yeah, and I think
that these limited contacts, limited sightings

1082
01:29:06.960 --> 01:29:14.439
are a part of that process of
getting humanity ready for a more open acknowledgement.

1083
01:29:15.119 --> 01:29:20.119
People are certainly interested in the topic. When you do any kind of

1084
01:29:20.159 --> 01:29:27.479
research online about the most research topics, the UFOs are right up there with

1085
01:29:28.039 --> 01:29:31.840
porn. I think porn is the
only other thing that gets resourceful. So

1086
01:29:32.800 --> 01:29:39.960
it's certainly on the minds of people
around the world, right, and people

1087
01:29:40.039 --> 01:29:43.720
all of the world are having experiences. You know, there are over thirteen

1088
01:29:43.840 --> 01:29:49.000
thousand UFO reported events between Canada and
the United States every year, and that's

1089
01:29:49.680 --> 01:29:55.199
probably you know, less than ten
percent get reported. So of the ones

1090
01:29:55.239 --> 01:30:00.640
that get reported, about thirteen thousand
every year just in Canada and the United

1091
01:30:00.680 --> 01:30:04.279
States alone. So just do the
math on that, you know, that's

1092
01:30:04.439 --> 01:30:10.760
that's close to one hundred thousand sightings
in Canada and the United States alone every

1093
01:30:10.840 --> 01:30:16.119
year. And then yeah, and
it's increasing I'm getting book orders and friendly

1094
01:30:16.199 --> 01:30:23.199
cluests from the little countries and obscure
places around the planet that I've never heard

1095
01:30:23.239 --> 01:30:29.680
from before. Really, Wow,
how do you think that happens? Travis?

1096
01:30:29.720 --> 01:30:33.039
Do you think that's because you think
it's because of the movie that just

1097
01:30:33.439 --> 01:30:38.199
people start to watch in different areas
or how does How do you think the

1098
01:30:38.239 --> 01:30:45.520
word gets out there? I think
it's a gradually accumulating an essence of the

1099
01:30:45.640 --> 01:30:48.840
rumor mail. You know, the
stuff that people were using to try to

1100
01:30:48.840 --> 01:30:55.760
shoot it down has been shot down
and has been you know, currently debunked,

1101
01:30:55.760 --> 01:30:58.880
so that you know, this stuff
filters out more and more and more,

1102
01:30:58.960 --> 01:31:01.880
and people are even now, you
know, people said, I hadn't

1103
01:31:01.920 --> 01:31:08.399
heard of your story till now,
but you know, and so it's it's

1104
01:31:08.439 --> 01:31:14.800
still because of the Internet, I
think, spreading across Atlanta, right right,

1105
01:31:15.680 --> 01:31:19.239
Travis, going back to your youth, did you ever pay much attention

1106
01:31:19.359 --> 01:31:24.399
to UFOs or anything, you know, that whole thing. You're all not

1107
01:31:24.560 --> 01:31:27.600
a lot, and it's not like, I mean everybody's heard of it,

1108
01:31:27.720 --> 01:31:31.680
yeah, you know, but it
wasn't a big thing of life. How

1109
01:31:31.760 --> 01:31:36.399
I think the rumors? I think
Steve Pierce talked a little bit about that.

1110
01:31:38.600 --> 01:31:41.039
You know, you don't have to
answer for him, but I think

1111
01:31:41.079 --> 01:31:45.279
that his family had something, you
know, had an interest in that.

1112
01:31:45.439 --> 01:31:54.800
But but his actually not an interest
but actual experiences because they lived out east

1113
01:31:54.840 --> 01:32:00.199
of town, out in the remote
parts of the county, and you know,

1114
01:32:00.640 --> 01:32:05.359
they just see things more commonly out
away from town. I see.

1115
01:32:05.960 --> 01:32:10.800
Okay, just reminding the listener,
you can jump over to the chat room.

1116
01:32:10.800 --> 01:32:13.279
We have quite a few people in
there right now. You can pose

1117
01:32:13.319 --> 01:32:16.159
a question for Travis or Jennifer,
or you can call in the show if

1118
01:32:16.159 --> 01:32:21.359
you'd like to ask a question directly. Six h three nine six seven four

1119
01:32:21.359 --> 01:32:28.960
to H three to zero is the
number. And let's see. So Travis,

1120
01:32:29.000 --> 01:32:32.880
I was trying to think of hang
on just a minute, looking at

1121
01:32:32.920 --> 01:32:35.680
a couple of different message boards.
Oh, yes, I want to talk

1122
01:32:35.720 --> 01:32:42.640
about your fortieth anniversary coming up.
What do you have planned for that?

1123
01:32:43.960 --> 01:32:49.359
Well, it's a it's a conference. I've got a really stellar speaker lineup.

1124
01:32:49.760 --> 01:32:58.439
We're going to have a SkyWatch and
the tour I will accompany people to

1125
01:32:58.680 --> 01:33:02.800
the actual site of the incident.
So it's kind of like last year.

1126
01:33:05.119 --> 01:33:10.000
Is this going to be a yearly
event? Yeah? So that's the plan.

1127
01:33:10.239 --> 01:33:13.000
And you know, last year was
a bit of a warm up for

1128
01:33:13.880 --> 01:33:17.359
this and but you know, first
time out we made a few little mistakes,

1129
01:33:17.399 --> 01:33:20.960
and I think we're going to do
a much better job this time around.

1130
01:33:23.079 --> 01:33:26.520
That whole area looks beautiful. Is
that? Do you live in that

1131
01:33:26.760 --> 01:33:32.520
in that area or you know,
I'm thirty miles from Hebrew itself, but

1132
01:33:33.600 --> 01:33:38.840
yeah, it's what a pretty country
here? Yeah, yeah, beautiful,

1133
01:33:39.039 --> 01:33:43.520
Jennifer. How much time did you
spend out in that area? I spent

1134
01:33:44.840 --> 01:33:51.479
two weeks, one week in two
thousand and twel I get twenty thirteen,

1135
01:33:51.680 --> 01:33:58.199
and then one week in twenty and
fourteen in the summer in August, and

1136
01:33:58.560 --> 01:34:01.640
we drove all around there. You
know, as I mentioned, the first

1137
01:34:01.680 --> 01:34:08.720
piece that my co producer and I
produced was called Tracking sky Fire, and

1138
01:34:09.039 --> 01:34:13.279
Bob Terrio took the lead on that
production piece, which will be available for

1139
01:34:13.359 --> 01:34:16.920
sale at the conference. I don't
think Bob's going to be able to come

1140
01:34:16.920 --> 01:34:20.800
out, but on that little film
piece, it shows you where Hebert,

1141
01:34:21.000 --> 01:34:27.199
Snowflake, and Wholebrook are. These
are the three towns that are sort of

1142
01:34:27.640 --> 01:34:33.239
connected to the Travis story. So
and they're all about thirty minutes apart from

1143
01:34:33.279 --> 01:34:39.920
each other. They're quite a drive, but it's a beautiful country. Well,

1144
01:34:40.039 --> 01:34:44.920
one other little relaind is that on
the eighteenth I will be speaking in

1145
01:34:44.960 --> 01:34:53.159
the Vicinity of York, Pennsylvania at
the phenomen Pond event there. If people,

1146
01:34:53.159 --> 01:34:58.239
of course enough to come me,
I'd be happy to talk with you.

1147
01:35:00.119 --> 01:35:02.319
Right. Oh, so you're going
to be in Pennsylvania and I believe

1148
01:35:02.359 --> 01:35:05.760
you're Travis, aren't you heading up? You're going to be in New England

1149
01:35:05.760 --> 01:35:10.720
a couple of times this year too, aren't you. Yeah, we've got

1150
01:35:10.760 --> 01:35:14.239
a number of events. We're going
to be showing the Travis film at the

1151
01:35:14.359 --> 01:35:20.079
Experience or Speak event. Also.
Okay, I'm trying to read a question

1152
01:35:20.199 --> 01:35:24.960
on the chat room that's directed to
but it keeps up, it keeps moving.

1153
01:35:25.279 --> 01:35:31.119
Okay, someone wants to know if
you're encounter affected your view of the

1154
01:35:31.159 --> 01:35:41.000
afterlife. No, it did not
affect more religious views at all. I

1155
01:35:41.399 --> 01:35:46.800
don't think that there's anything about this
event that either contradicts or you know,

1156
01:35:46.880 --> 01:35:54.800
it's it's actually, if anything,
it affirms, you know, a spiritual

1157
01:35:54.840 --> 01:36:02.760
dimension, just because the realization that
the once you really totally accept the existence

1158
01:36:02.920 --> 01:36:13.199
of infinity, both of time and
of space than everything is and not only

1159
01:36:13.319 --> 01:36:20.680
that it is and has been an
infinite number of times. Wow. Interesting.

1160
01:36:24.000 --> 01:36:30.920
Okay, So Travis, I was
trying to think of what happened to

1161
01:36:30.960 --> 01:36:36.840
you, say, right after this
whole situation happened. Did things settle down

1162
01:36:38.319 --> 01:36:42.560
for you? Did you try to
get away from the public eye and all

1163
01:36:42.560 --> 01:36:45.159
that. Well, I tried to
die out from the media for a few

1164
01:36:45.159 --> 01:36:50.039
weeks before. That just made it
worse, so I had to go and

1165
01:36:50.079 --> 01:36:54.760
do interviews. You know, to
refuse to do an interview didn't make the

1166
01:36:54.800 --> 01:36:57.840
story go away. It just made
it worse, I mean, a worse

1167
01:36:58.640 --> 01:37:03.560
angle on the story. So it
was one of those things where, you

1168
01:37:03.600 --> 01:37:08.399
know, when I was refusing and
I had something to hide, and then

1169
01:37:08.439 --> 01:37:11.680
when I did the interviews, I
was a publicity seeker. So you know,

1170
01:37:11.960 --> 01:37:15.279
one way or the other, the
dan if you're doing damned if you

1171
01:37:15.319 --> 01:37:19.119
don't with with the people who want
to take a negative view. But it

1172
01:37:19.520 --> 01:37:25.199
took a long time before things slowly, you know, quit being just a

1173
01:37:25.279 --> 01:37:30.800
total madhouse. Did you actually like
did like were you going to like New

1174
01:37:30.880 --> 01:37:34.600
York and California places like that,
and being publicly interviewed on television and stuff?

1175
01:37:34.640 --> 01:37:41.640
Right after there was some some of
that. I did a show called

1176
01:37:41.680 --> 01:37:47.239
The Unexplained, a pilot with the
Leonard Ramore which I farmed a remake of

1177
01:37:47.279 --> 01:37:54.000
it here last week at two weeks
ago, and that is still in post

1178
01:37:54.000 --> 01:37:59.720
production obviously without Lendard. The more
of this time, Yeah, yeah,

1179
01:38:00.000 --> 01:38:04.359
dervis what's your what's your daily life
like? As far as people reaching out

1180
01:38:04.399 --> 01:38:11.760
to you, Well, like I
was saying, surprisingly in the community,

1181
01:38:12.159 --> 01:38:15.479
you used to have people just point
and whisper, and you know you could

1182
01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:18.520
tell the real ye who I was, but weren't saying anything. But now

1183
01:38:18.680 --> 01:38:24.439
I'm reading in a family way just
basically most of the time they go out,

1184
01:38:24.520 --> 01:38:29.680
which is quite a switch, right. A question up on the message

1185
01:38:29.680 --> 01:38:35.640
board. Did you ever consider that
this could this thing could be interdimensional?

1186
01:38:36.920 --> 01:38:43.359
Oh? Yeah, you know,
I probably mentioned that possibility, uh in

1187
01:38:43.439 --> 01:38:47.720
my very first book that cannot a
couple of years after the incident that you

1188
01:38:47.760 --> 01:38:53.159
know, uh, it could be
interdimensional. It could be time travelers.

1189
01:38:53.520 --> 01:38:59.760
You know. The simplest explanation is, you know, interstellar craft by conventional

1190
01:39:00.720 --> 01:39:06.159
h you know, high velocity traveled. But anything is possible, and spanning

1191
01:39:06.199 --> 01:39:12.640
the distance might be a lot easier
if there's an dimensional aspect to it,

1192
01:39:12.720 --> 01:39:17.159
so that they could actually sort of
take a short cut across the distance right

1193
01:39:17.920 --> 01:39:26.640
right. One of the things I
was impressed with as we were talking before

1194
01:39:27.920 --> 01:39:33.000
was the interior. When you're describing
the interior of the craft and and you

1195
01:39:33.039 --> 01:39:36.680
went to this, uh, they
went to this room. Didn't you say

1196
01:39:36.680 --> 01:39:43.800
that you could see outside like the
stars. Well, I don't know if

1197
01:39:43.840 --> 01:39:49.439
it was actually showing what it was
out surrounding the craft at that time,

1198
01:39:49.960 --> 01:39:56.279
or if it was a planetarium like
projection, like a map projection. But

1199
01:39:57.000 --> 01:40:02.319
the points of light were starlight,
and of course a huge distance is like

1200
01:40:02.560 --> 01:40:06.199
the stars. You know, you
can't see relative distance, so you know,

1201
01:40:06.239 --> 01:40:11.119
you don't have any depth perceptions.
So I don't know whether it was

1202
01:40:11.520 --> 01:40:15.680
seen through the walls of the craft
or somehow representing what was on the other

1203
01:40:15.800 --> 01:40:23.000
side, or it was just safely
a planetary like projection. I said,

1204
01:40:25.039 --> 01:40:29.720
that's that's totally amazing. That whole
thing. There's The chat room is kind

1205
01:40:29.720 --> 01:40:33.600
of filled up right now with some
questions for you, Travis. Someone wants

1206
01:40:33.640 --> 01:40:39.359
to know they saw that you did
some fundraising for a sick grandchild and wanted

1207
01:40:39.399 --> 01:40:44.000
to know how the grandchild is doing
well. He's been out of a hospital

1208
01:40:44.039 --> 01:40:49.359
for well over a month, law
and although he's not cured, he's doing

1209
01:40:49.439 --> 01:40:54.359
some lot better. And I went
over there the other day and held him

1210
01:40:54.359 --> 01:40:57.960
for a long time, and you
know, he was reacting to my voice,

1211
01:40:58.000 --> 01:41:01.079
and you know, you know,
he does still help Sesus occasionally,

1212
01:41:01.119 --> 01:41:09.039
but when he's not he's reacts to
me totally. Normally, the medication is

1213
01:41:09.880 --> 01:41:15.880
quite sedatey. But aside from that, he's he's there. I'm still looking

1214
01:41:15.920 --> 01:41:20.279
for up here, of course.
M Well, we hope that that works

1215
01:41:20.279 --> 01:41:26.159
out, and hope you hope he
finds that. Lars in Seattle wants to

1216
01:41:26.199 --> 01:41:31.640
know. He wants you to talk
a little bit about the the beam or

1217
01:41:31.680 --> 01:41:36.119
however, what affected the trees in
the area. Can you talk a little

1218
01:41:36.159 --> 01:41:40.640
bit. I know the growth rings
are different, right, yeah, yeah,

1219
01:41:40.760 --> 01:41:45.439
there it was discovered that there was
accelerated growth. And then more recently,

1220
01:41:45.720 --> 01:41:50.119
just with some more follow up research
that was supervised by Ben Hanson,

1221
01:41:51.119 --> 01:41:58.359
we discovered that this growth factor was
more intense on the side of the tree

1222
01:41:59.560 --> 01:42:02.880
in the direction of the craft,
so it was kind of directional. Rather

1223
01:42:02.920 --> 01:42:09.199
than affecting the whole tree, it
was affecting the side of the tree towards

1224
01:42:09.239 --> 01:42:14.439
the craft, and that suggests that
there could be some kind of a radiating

1225
01:42:14.520 --> 01:42:21.399
effect. And Ben Hanson also did
some research on wine and discovered that the

1226
01:42:21.600 --> 01:42:30.920
Scots pine species in the vicinity of
the Chernobyl nuclear accident produced an accelerated wood

1227
01:42:30.960 --> 01:42:38.880
fiber growth also, so it's kind
of paradoxical. You would think that radiation

1228
01:42:39.039 --> 01:42:42.760
would be destructive of for life,
but in the case of pine trees,

1229
01:42:42.800 --> 01:42:46.880
at least it causes thick and growth
rings. Wow. Now did you were

1230
01:42:46.880 --> 01:42:53.800
you ever tested for radiation? You
know, I was out there that the

1231
01:42:53.880 --> 01:42:59.479
crew, some of the crew were
when the Geiger counter survey was being done

1232
01:43:00.319 --> 01:43:06.439
at the clearing at the site.
There was high radiation readings found on the

1233
01:43:06.479 --> 01:43:12.960
hard hats that the men had been
wearing, But I personally, other than

1234
01:43:13.079 --> 01:43:18.479
blood tests, that didn't reveal any
sort of a sign of radiation poisoning,

1235
01:43:19.119 --> 01:43:25.840
which I'm told would be something like
tolerated white self calendar or something. Okay,

1236
01:43:25.880 --> 01:43:30.880
a question up on the message board, Let's see what was this.

1237
01:43:30.319 --> 01:43:36.159
What was the scariest part of the
whole situation. Absolutely, the scariest part

1238
01:43:36.720 --> 01:43:43.920
was to suddenly realize I'm trapped and
facing these three creatures who were staring into

1239
01:43:43.960 --> 01:43:48.640
me with their minds boring into mind
in an attack to regaining control of me.

1240
01:43:49.159 --> 01:43:55.800
That was the substance of my nightmanister
months afterwards. So you actually felt

1241
01:43:55.840 --> 01:43:59.840
like they were boring into your mind. Wow. Yeah, I really do

1242
01:44:00.079 --> 01:44:05.720
think that they were unsuccessful because of
the effects of that energy being heaving hitting

1243
01:44:05.760 --> 01:44:15.520
me. And in support of that
was the elector encephalograph testing that was done

1244
01:44:15.920 --> 01:44:19.680
afterwards. I remember you telling me
their eyes were the scariest part, the

1245
01:44:19.680 --> 01:44:28.359
way they were just Yeah, and
it seems that their mind control somehow emanates

1246
01:44:28.359 --> 01:44:33.720
from the stair that they have.
I recently on filming of the Seven on

1247
01:44:33.800 --> 01:44:40.359
One the movie. Uh, the
kids, school kids from Zimbabwe were there

1248
01:44:40.760 --> 01:44:46.560
and they had encountered these beings but
communicated to them to the stair and they

1249
01:44:46.600 --> 01:44:51.600
said to them it was not uncomfortable, that it was, you know,

1250
01:44:51.760 --> 01:44:57.600
totally painless, and the message was
pleasant. So I'm thinking the reason it

1251
01:44:57.680 --> 01:45:02.560
was so unpleasant for me was the
were having the combined forces just to try

1252
01:45:02.600 --> 01:45:06.640
to get me under control, and
it just wasn't working. And that's when

1253
01:45:06.680 --> 01:45:13.920
you grab the tool and sort of
running them right. Yeah, But see

1254
01:45:15.119 --> 01:45:20.079
the EEG. Test was done by
a technician who did not know my real

1255
01:45:20.239 --> 01:45:26.600
name or the nature of the injury
that he was looking for, so it's

1256
01:45:26.680 --> 01:45:31.680
more significant what he recorded in the
report. Now I see go ahead,

1257
01:45:33.359 --> 01:45:40.439
are just that it's double blind.
A question that I think I asked you

1258
01:45:40.560 --> 01:45:43.479
when I first met you, which
is a bizarre question to ask, but

1259
01:45:43.560 --> 01:45:45.920
it's up on the message board again, how did you go to the bathroom

1260
01:45:46.520 --> 01:45:51.720
on you were there five days?
Well, I get that question, but

1261
01:45:54.359 --> 01:45:59.600
this comes from people who don't understand
that I was conscious or have no memory

1262
01:45:59.640 --> 01:46:05.560
of most of that time. So
I'm assumed that biological process is continued at

1263
01:46:05.600 --> 01:46:12.000
the normal rate, because my beard
agree at the normal rate. So there

1264
01:46:12.119 --> 01:46:19.479
would have had there been some sort
of a toilet involved in somewhere along the

1265
01:46:19.479 --> 01:46:25.920
way. Right. A question that
I think is rather an important one,

1266
01:46:25.960 --> 01:46:30.680
as everyone wants to know when they
can see the movie and where. Well,

1267
01:46:30.439 --> 01:46:38.199
the Travis film would be shown at
various times where I'm appearing, and

1268
01:46:38.319 --> 01:46:43.920
Jennifer has some showing set up,
so just have to follow Jennifer's schedule or

1269
01:46:44.000 --> 01:46:47.920
mind and pick a time. Oh
but more importantly, you can actually purchase

1270
01:46:47.960 --> 01:46:54.880
the film and order it from either
Jennifer or my stuff. Oh okay,

1271
01:46:55.039 --> 01:46:59.840
all right. Do you think eventually
that'll be sent out to like Netflix or

1272
01:46:59.880 --> 01:47:10.399
some think that Jennifer possibly. I
am working on improving one of my contractual

1273
01:47:10.520 --> 01:47:19.960
relationships with the supplier of some archive
footage until I can change or improve a

1274
01:47:20.039 --> 01:47:24.640
contract that I have. I had
a verbal agreement to go ahead and edit

1275
01:47:24.720 --> 01:47:27.119
with some footage that I was going
to be able to buy rights to,

1276
01:47:28.119 --> 01:47:33.439
and then when I finally provided a
contract and a check, this supplier basically

1277
01:47:33.479 --> 01:47:40.520
took my check and changed the contract. And so I'm really kind of limited

1278
01:47:40.600 --> 01:47:44.520
to what I can do with the
film right now. So I'm sort of

1279
01:47:44.520 --> 01:47:48.039
an illegal, you know, quagmire, and I'm trying to work my way

1280
01:47:48.079 --> 01:47:54.199
forward. But the particular person who
owns some of this archive footage has not

1281
01:47:54.319 --> 01:48:00.159
been forthcoming, So I'm finding other
archive footage, and I'm now negotiating with

1282
01:48:00.800 --> 01:48:06.760
ABC and some other people who own
a former production called Overlords of the UFOs

1283
01:48:06.760 --> 01:48:11.720
in which there's some other archive footage. We can replace out some of the

1284
01:48:11.720 --> 01:48:15.359
footage that's in there, so we'll
have to jump through those hurdles, but

1285
01:48:15.479 --> 01:48:18.359
right now I can sell it online
as a DVD. And it can screen

1286
01:48:18.560 --> 01:48:24.880
at film festivals and in UFO festivals. So we have a screening schedule up

1287
01:48:25.079 --> 01:48:30.159
on the website called Travis waltonthemovie dot
com and we're continuing to update that.

1288
01:48:30.279 --> 01:48:36.560
Like every Peter Robbins has been working
on promotion really diligently. It's how you

1289
01:48:36.680 --> 01:48:43.319
found out about it. Martin was
like Peter. So we're working on having

1290
01:48:43.359 --> 01:48:48.439
screenings all over the world. They're
in gosh, many many places right now.

1291
01:48:48.479 --> 01:48:53.479
There's one going to be in Australia
next week. They were all across

1292
01:48:53.560 --> 01:49:00.720
Canada, all across the United States, Hawaii, Scotland, England. So,

1293
01:49:00.279 --> 01:49:03.760
and we're working on a connection in
Spain to show it in Spain.

1294
01:49:03.960 --> 01:49:09.039
So we're trying to get it out
there as much as we can. Right

1295
01:49:10.920 --> 01:49:14.000
someone up on the board, Travis
wants to know if you would autograph a

1296
01:49:14.079 --> 01:49:19.319
DVD if they bought it directly from
you. I. Yeah, I actually

1297
01:49:19.439 --> 01:49:27.880
have some autographed copies myself. If
they make a special request to me through

1298
01:49:27.920 --> 01:49:31.159
the website, they can contact me. I can send them an autograph copy

1299
01:49:31.239 --> 01:49:35.359
or Travis can either either one.
All right, someone up on the message

1300
01:49:35.359 --> 01:49:44.680
board brings up another quagmire. They
say traveling at the at blight speed is

1301
01:49:45.640 --> 01:49:50.560
you know, the time issue there, relativity and it could be that you

1302
01:49:50.600 --> 01:49:55.199
weren't gone that long, but then
again you did have the five day growth.

1303
01:49:56.079 --> 01:50:01.680
So I'm going to roll this into
another question that's up there water food.

1304
01:50:02.079 --> 01:50:09.479
Do you remember anything about that?
Well, I think the hydration is

1305
01:50:09.520 --> 01:50:14.880
a little bit deficient. There may
have been a medical reason to actually do

1306
01:50:14.960 --> 01:50:24.560
that intentionally, but there were not
signs of starvation medically afterwards, so evidently

1307
01:50:24.600 --> 01:50:29.319
there was some kind of nutrition and
hydration, And I'd like to go back

1308
01:50:29.359 --> 01:50:33.600
to that, you know, light
speed question. Stan Friedman has a book

1309
01:50:33.640 --> 01:50:39.600
out called Science Was Wrong, and
he has a very good analysis of this

1310
01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:48.760
very common U misconception that the nearest
stars are just impossibly too far away uh

1311
01:50:48.880 --> 01:50:55.479
for to get there by conventional you
know, Newtonian physics. But that's not

1312
01:50:55.600 --> 01:51:01.800
the case. And he lays out
the math how accelerating at less acceleration than

1313
01:51:01.840 --> 01:51:08.640
you would from say a real good
fast sports car, uh, that it's

1314
01:51:08.640 --> 01:51:14.840
still achievable within feasible time. And
it does a very good analysis of laying

1315
01:51:14.880 --> 01:51:18.479
out in the math to where,
you know, the common misconception that you

1316
01:51:18.520 --> 01:51:25.000
would have to accelerate at one g
for half the journey and then accelerate at

1317
01:51:25.000 --> 01:51:30.760
the other half. Uh, is
not true. You would accelerate much higher

1318
01:51:30.840 --> 01:51:36.119
rate initially, but because of the
conservation of momentum, you're never going to

1319
01:51:36.199 --> 01:51:41.239
have to add more energy after that
point, and you will continue at that

1320
01:51:41.319 --> 01:51:48.439
speed for the remainder of the journey. So the maths does work out that

1321
01:51:48.520 --> 01:51:56.920
it is feasible with conventional technology that
we have now to to cross those kind

1322
01:51:56.920 --> 01:52:00.840
of distances. Uh. Another question
up there. Have you ever been approached

1323
01:52:00.880 --> 01:52:08.279
by anyone that suspiciously could be a
government? Yeah. I've often wondered about

1324
01:52:08.279 --> 01:52:14.520
certain people who pose those journalists coming
along and doing in depth interviews that never

1325
01:52:14.640 --> 01:52:23.399
really you know, reach publication,
but no one identifying themselves from the government.

1326
01:52:23.439 --> 01:52:25.920
You know, they're not going to
pull up to the curb in front

1327
01:52:25.920 --> 01:52:30.039
of my house and a big black
car with government plates and get out with

1328
01:52:30.880 --> 01:52:36.680
military uniforms or whatever. They have
their ways of bringing it out things,

1329
01:52:38.159 --> 01:52:44.600
And that was conspiculously absent from any
contact. I had nothing over it,

1330
01:52:44.920 --> 01:52:53.199
because obviously to do so would be
implying that they're taking it seriously. If

1331
01:52:53.279 --> 01:52:58.920
you intend to suppress it, you
don't recognize that you try to by ignoring

1332
01:52:58.960 --> 01:53:04.039
it, pretending you to. Now, Travis, one of the things,

1333
01:53:04.159 --> 01:53:09.760
uh, when I was talking to
the Aligash, you know, people their

1334
01:53:10.079 --> 01:53:15.600
their lives changed, you know,
dramatically, their artwork did. And uh

1335
01:53:15.760 --> 01:53:21.399
one of them all of a sudden
became really uh proficient at math who never

1336
01:53:21.439 --> 01:53:27.520
really had much of interest in it. Did anything like that change? We

1337
01:53:27.600 --> 01:53:31.560
only have a we only have about
three minutes left, so do anything like

1338
01:53:31.600 --> 01:53:35.319
that change? Yeah, but that's
the kind of stuff I don't like to

1339
01:53:35.399 --> 01:53:39.720
talk about because I don't like to
be the bug in the jar. But

1340
01:53:39.800 --> 01:53:45.760
yeah, they're they're possibly some things, nat sure, and you don't want

1341
01:53:45.760 --> 01:53:50.439
to talk about it. I can
respect that. So we have like we

1342
01:53:50.600 --> 01:53:56.199
just have a couple of minutes left
and is there And I want to make

1343
01:53:56.199 --> 01:54:02.199
sure that people get the word where
they can get the film and check out

1344
01:54:02.199 --> 01:54:09.079
both your website, Jennifer, it's
sky yours is I'm sorry? What is

1345
01:54:09.119 --> 01:54:15.560
your website, Jennifer? If it's
easy for people to remember Traviswalton themovie dot

1346
01:54:15.600 --> 01:54:19.439
com. If they google that,
they'll get right to the film website.

1347
01:54:19.600 --> 01:54:24.199
And that's my on Wings production site. They're one and the same I've put

1348
01:54:24.199 --> 01:54:30.159
two URLs together while we're promoting the
film, so traviswaltonthmovie dot com. They'll

1349
01:54:30.159 --> 01:54:33.399
get to my site, they can
contact me. And the other major thing

1350
01:54:33.439 --> 01:54:40.399
people should know about is they can
get involved and participate in the conference.

1351
01:54:40.439 --> 01:54:44.319
This year. They can come to
the fortieth anniversary event in Hebrew, Arizona.

1352
01:54:44.359 --> 01:54:48.520
And if they go to Skyfiresummit dot
com they can learn about this upcoming

1353
01:54:48.600 --> 01:54:54.760
conference. They can register online,
they can plan to be there. It'll

1354
01:54:54.760 --> 01:55:00.039
be a really special event to be
at. We'd love to see them.

1355
01:55:00.039 --> 01:55:04.960
And if people are interested in arranging
a screening, they can contact me through

1356
01:55:05.039 --> 01:55:10.640
the Travis waltonmovie dot com and we
can discuss what's involved in that, and

1357
01:55:10.920 --> 01:55:15.520
you know, I can kind of, you know, give them the steps

1358
01:55:15.520 --> 01:55:17.840
that are involved. It's not that
complicated. And if somebody wants to share

1359
01:55:17.880 --> 01:55:20.760
the film with a group of people
at a public library or something, I'm

1360
01:55:21.319 --> 01:55:26.640
very interested to talk to them.
And Travis your website if you would,

1361
01:55:26.640 --> 01:55:30.319
And can people contact you from your
website? Yeah, yeah, those are

1362
01:55:30.319 --> 01:55:34.880
directively for to email me through Travis
Walton dot com, which is still similar

1363
01:55:34.960 --> 01:55:40.520
to Travis Walton Movie. But just
drop the movie and you got me Travis

1364
01:55:40.520 --> 01:55:45.279
Walton dot com. All right,
very good, Well it's been a real

1365
01:55:45.279 --> 01:55:48.079
pleasure, and Travis, I'm glad
we finally got a hold of you.

1366
01:55:48.159 --> 01:55:54.560
Yeah, Jarvey about the list communication, but we'll read it all right,

1367
01:55:54.880 --> 01:55:58.880
Well, all right, so that's
it. I want to thank thank you

1368
01:55:58.880 --> 01:56:02.800
both very much for joining us,
and Travis, I'm sure we'll be crossing

1369
01:56:02.840 --> 01:56:06.520
paths along with the along with you. So that's it. Everyone for the

1370
01:56:06.560 --> 01:56:11.840
show. Thank you the guests,
of course, and I want to also

1371
01:56:11.920 --> 01:56:15.000
thank Peggy Shunning for managing our Facebook
page. Remember you can like us on

1372
01:56:15.039 --> 01:56:20.800
Facebook for all the latest UFO news. And I want to thank you for

1373
01:56:20.880 --> 01:56:24.800
being a supporter. If you're listening
this long, then you are a supporter.

1374
01:56:25.279 --> 01:56:30.079
I really appreciate that. And we
have t shirts on our site available

1375
01:56:30.239 --> 01:56:33.840
and I'll give you a great discount
to any supporter. And so that's it

1376
01:56:33.880 --> 01:56:36.720
for the show, and we'll be
back next week on the Dark Matter Radio

1377
01:56:36.760 --> 01:56:42.159
Network at eight pm Eastern Standard time. See you next week. Keep your

1378
01:56:42.159 --> 01:56:58.800
eyes to the sky.