And it hits me, Oh my gosh, this is that triangle. You
know, there's explanation for everything that occurred in the rangdalchamparst incident that doesn't involve
aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over our heads.
It's so classic Gli Solcier really standing in the cleary. He turned over
to my father and held his hand, and he looked in his eyes and
said, we're not alone. Welcome to podcast UFO for our live show.
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news. But before that, I want to tell you our guests tonight is
Jennifer Stein. She's a filmmaker and also in the first hour we are going
to be talking with her as well as Travis Walton, and in the second
hour we're going to be talking with Jennifer just about her own experiences, her
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don't you, Alejandro? You just called my new stale semi stale. Well
you know it's not day fresh. You know it wasn't stale before you started
joining me. So what you've done, that's the change. Wait just one
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that. Alejandro, I didn't really mean to offend you. It was I
was saying that I was making the I can't really backtrack, can I?
Now you screwed up already. Yeah, all right, So we'll just have
to put this behind us, won't we. Yeah, I'll forgive you,
all right. I know what you meant, and you'll be happy to hear
that. I think everything that we're going to talk about today, you and
I did not discuss on my show, So this will be fresh news,
it won't be stale. So hopefully that makes you and your listeners happy.
Great. All right, Well, well what's what's the first story? The
first thing I want to talk about? You may not know this. There's
this radio network out there called there. They are an online radio network,
just a superb network out there called dark Matter Radio. They never never heard
of them. Yeah yeah, dark Matter Digital. They're going by these days,
and they they replay open Mind UFO Radio. Because I've talked with Keith,
the guy who rents it, and he says they only put on high
quality stuff. They have a very high standard. So maybe one day your
show can get on that network. Okay, what network is your showing?
Uh? Dark something? I can't remember. See I was setting you up
so you can say we are on that network. Oh we're on that network,
by gosh, you are Wow. And now that you're bringing that up,
I do you know, we are trying to get better audio quality.
Of course before uh, well, I'll let you make the announcement. Go
ahead. No, I just told you that you you got you you meet
higher standards, so you congratulations. But anyway, the point being that what
I'm getting at is that Art Bell is returning to the radio. So this
is a lot of fun. And you know, there were a lot of
issues I guess with the technology and something working with serious and I know,
I guess one of the issues was Art Bell wanted to reach more people and
not just have to have people have to subscribe. So that's kind of cool
because now he's going to be on Dark Matter Digital and he's going to be
broadcasting in very many mediums, and I think this is kind of funny.
One of the ways they're going to be broadcasting because they made a deal with
these guys in Tennessee is shortwave radio. So I didn't I guess, yeah,
I don't know. It's probably a dying kind of hobby. Out there,
but I'm sure there is you know a lot of people doing it.
I know it's one of Art Bell's hobby, that's right, Yeah, to
do this shortwave radio. So that's really cool. And what's neat is when
I was looking into that, you know, people from all around the world
can catch those those shows, so that will allow artfelt to you know,
reach people all around the world. So with when he comes onto Dark Matter
Radio, you know, I think, much like your show, he'll when
it's broadcast, it'll be live, it'll be free, but the archives,
you'll have a small subscription fee where you could get a hold of the archives,
and I guess that subscription fee will also get you access to something they're
going to call the Wormhole, where you'll be able to chat and communicate with
Art Bell live while he's doing the show. So really exciting stuff. I
know people are really exciting. July twentieth, I guess Sunday July nineteenth,
they're going to do a little test to test Art Bell's equipment and everything.
But yeah, I've been reading that Keith has really upped his game. They've
got a lot of great technology and he feels it's going to be one of
the best sounding shows out there. So I know people are really excited for
Art Bell's return. That should be pretty cool. Huh. Yeah, I'm
really excited about it because I'm sure it's going to really, you know,
create a lot of new listeners for everybody here and there was it just reminded
me of something. There was some old I was just trying to look online
some old rock star that's really into shortwave radio. Do you know what I
mean? No, yeah, I'm trying to he's like heavy metal or something
like that. But huh, and I think he also does things like bow
and arrow hunting and stuff like that. Do you know what I mean?
Does that ring a bell, ted nugent or something. I think it is
him goofball character. I think it's talent. He's on shortwave radio, so
he'll be listening to our bell. Maybe you never know. Yeah, I
can't even I can't even imagine how that listens. I mean, how that
works. It must be on a separate channel or something you have to buy,
like a radio. You have to buy some kind of shortwave radio.
I don't know. Some people have equipment. You see those nerded guys,
you know, with their gigantic antennas. You know, one of you,
unfortunately, might have one of these neighbors. There's always one guy in the
neighborhood, you know, as one of these big antennas because he's into that
kind of stuff and you can listen to stuff all around the world. It's
probably very interesting and probably a fun hobby actually to get into. But yeah,
really interesting stuff. What's cool about this too is, you know,
why is this news now? Well, because I finally got around to writing
the story. Really, I think it was announced while I was on my
cruise actually, and that's why I'm kind of behind the you know, behind
a bit on this. But it seems like a lot of my listeners and
readers were not aware of this, so they're really excited about it. But
what's kind of fun too is there's a few fan trailers out there, so
some fans are so excited. They've done some filming and put together these video
trailers for the return of Art Bell that are kind of fun, and I
included a couple of those in my story. Well, you know, the
Facebook has a limit of five thousand friends, and I was lucky to get
connected with Art way back, so he's updating constantly on his Facebook page.
Okay, cool, so check out his Facebook page. Yeah all right,
all right, so what else is going on? Okay, so the next
story is a lot of fun. Now. I struggled with which stories to
choose, and there are a lot of cool UFO sightings out there, so
people can go to Openminds dot tv to see some of those. But you
and I talked about some of those during our show. And also we have
a new thing, the UFO Report, that we put out on YouTube,
and we're going to talk about those. So I chose some other ones,
but this is a really fun one. So for instance, the Montreal mayor
Denny Codare had a video come out and it's actually been out for a while,
but they got picked up by the media recently and it shows him as
a teenager talking about a UFO encounter. So it's a really fun video.
I guess. Codare is a beloved mayor of Montreal. People really like him.
In fact, he was in the news recently because they get it gave
like al Pacino keys to the city or something like that yesterday. But this
video is really fun. It's in French and it shows him as a student
at like a science fair, and somehow there was a reporter there that interviewed
him as a kid, and somehow this reporter knew he was into UFOs and
the reporter asked him why he was fascinated with UFOs, and his response is
that it's because of his love for astronomy. He claims that one night,
when he was observing the night sky, he saw UFO. He says the
object appeered out of nowhere and floated through the air, suddenly stopping in its
tracks and heading back in the other direction. Koder claimed that this was the
moment he knew it was not an object from our world, but kind of
a fun story. Yeah. I hate to say this, sala Henro,
but this is still news. We talked about it. When did we talk
about it? I'm just giving a hard time on my show. Oh okay,
Yeah, No, I think it's really cool and it's it's great that
you know, you think about when someone talks about this, you know,
and they're in politics, a lot of time it's a negative or no no.
But this guy seems like it hasn't faced him in any type of way.
Yeah, not at all. I mean there are some people out there
and I think that's I think this is a good thing for a politician,
because you seem smarmy when you try to backpedal or move away from something.
It's kind of like Dennis Kucinich during the debates for president and he tried to
back away from what he had said, or when they get caught cheating or
something like that. You know when a politician just stands there, granted and
says, either, yeah, this really happened. I think it was interesting
myself, and I think others should think it's interesting. I mean, you
know, when you're just true to yourself and honest about something, it helps.
Like you know, there have been politicians who have come out and said,
you guys, you know I got busted. I was I was cheating,
and I apologize it was the wrong thing to do. Oftentimes they come
through better than when they backpedal and everything. And as we know, Kusinich
when he tried to backpedal with his UFO siding kind of didn't go well.
Whereas everybody the whole crowd was like jeering, and they might have done that
anyway because of the crowd, and it was kind of a you know,
a topic people for nervous about. But if he just would have said,
yeah, I had a very strange sighting to this day, I don't know
what it is, and then continued on with whatever point he wanted to make.
You probably would have done a little better. And I really appreciate it
when these politicians just kind of stick to their guns. It's great. Jimmy
Carter is a good example for the most part. There are times where he
has backpedaled when he's been asked about it. But you're right about Jimmy Carter.
I mean a lot of people don't know. When he went into office,
he did ask NASA to investigate UFOs, and after much consternation and back
and forth with the Air Force, they decided not to and they actually declined.
They said, we're sorry, but we decline your offer to look into
UFOs. So we really did try to get more investigation into UFOs, right
right? So what else is happening? What else? My last story is
just kind of interesting because it's two of these maps now have come out.
We wrote about a few days ago about how a map and a really cool
interactive UFO map that a diet data scientist had made. He emailed me his
site and his information, and now it's all over the place. This cool
map. It's an interactive map that shows UFO sidings from nineteen oh five.
He got the information from Newfork, the National UFO Reporting Center, and you
can go and you can click on this map and see all of these sidings,
and in particular he focused on the mass sightings, so really interesting,
a lot of them from Chicago, Illinois, and this area named Tinsley Park
in particular. And coincidentally, I can confirm that we are going to have
the move On State Director from Illinois, Sam Moronto, who's an expert on
this, speaking at the UFO Congress this year, so that's going to be
a lot of fun. You and I had spoken about this earlier. However,
what has also come out is another company, just today and the Huffington
Post wrote about it, came up with more maps UFO maps based off of
the same information the New Fork information. These maps are really cool. They're
not interactive where you can touch them and click on them and do lots of
cool stuff. These maps are static. However, they have a lot more
information so you could look at, you know, sightings per capita, the
different types of shapes. They have these cool graphics showing the shapes and everything.
So some more really cool maps that have been posted about UFOs, really
interesting stuff that has gotten in there. And it's really interesting that, you
know, all of a sudden, we have all of these UFO maps showing
up and they do well in the news. The mass media picks them up.
Usually local areas pick them up to talk about, you know, the
UFOs in their area. So now we have two of these maps out there.
Why new fork data and why not move On? Move On gets a
lot more citing reports, they have a lot more investigators, they have a
bigger footprint across the country and internationally. However, unfortunately, and I know
it's something they're working on, the move On data isn't as easy to extract
as Newfork. And what's funny is it's not an issue of less technology.
Move On has too much technology. They have this database that everything goes into,
whereas Newfork has a very simple kind of Excel type of thing where you
can go to his page and cut and paste into Excel and you're good to
go. So in this case, the more the less technological way it has
been helping him to get more attention. Wow. Yeah, I was wondering
about that why they didn't go across the board and even use you know,
early early sightings. But I'm trying to remember the organization that they can't find
the files from from way back. Are you familiar APRO? Yeah, that's
what you're talking about. APRO. We at open mindset TV actually are the
is the only place I know of. There might be a couple other places,
but I think we were the first because we worked with the publisher of
the APRO journals. We have every APRO journal up on our website. That's
something an offer under our UFO resources. So you're right, this is an
amazing, amazing organization with a lot of incredible cases. But yeah, the
data ads to their reports would be very interesting. It's just an issue of
you know, even when I started investigating UFOs with mouf on, it was
still all on paper. Wow, amazing all digitalized at this point. Well,
hey, thanks so much, Alejandro. It's my pleasure, my friend.
It's always a lot of fun, have fun talking to Travis and Jennifer.
I will so hang in everybody, and right after the quick music break,
we'll be right back. Okay, Jennifer Stein, how are you welcome
to the show. Hi, I'm great, Thank you so much for having
me Martin. Yeah, we kind of pulled this off at the last minute.
We had a little bit of sound issues, but and my regular listeners
know I'm no stranger to sound issues. But we got it worked out thanks
to your help. It all kind of just something. You bought it,
we unboxed it, we hooked it up. We got to go in and
here we are. How about that. It's great. Who reads instructions right?
Well, welcome to the show. We met I think two or three
years ago at an experience to speak up here in Maine. It was very
nice to meet you, and I believe you you talked to Yes, you
did talk at that meeting. And what I'd like to do is bring Travis
in and we'll talk about the movie, and then on the second part of
the show, we'll have a music break at the top of the hour,
and then we will talk all about you in your background, of your past
and some things that have happened, stuff like that. But for right now,
I am going to attempt to get Travis Walton. He should be expecting
us to call, and let's just see if he does. Hang on just
one minute, perfect and well it made the number dropped off. So let's
see. So while I'm waiting and looking, why don't you just talk quickly
in how you get into the interest in the UFOs to begin with. Okay,
it stems from a sighting that I had myself in nineteen seventy five,
interestingly the same year as Travis Walton's citing, and I was not knowledgeable about
the UFO topic really at all, and the type of sighting I had was
so unusual that I didn't even know if it was really a UFO event or
if it was like a spiritual experience or something I even dreamed it. Actually,
the event itself stayed in my gray box for just about twenty five years
until I realized I was not alone at the time, and someone else saw
and experienced exactly the same thing I did. And that's when I realized when
I had this iding when I was nineteen turning twenty, and then I realized,
Okay, I can unpack this in my life if I'm willing to,
and it means reading, connecting with other people, not being afraid to talk
about this, figuring out what actually I experience experienced if I even can figure
it out. And it was one of those high strangeness events, and that's
what kind of gave me permission. I had to actually give myself permission to
make that step, make that journey. And that's actually what I presented on
when we met Martin. When I was at Experience Or's Speak, I had
been invited and asked by Peter Robbins and Audrey Hwans, who coordinate that conference,
to speak about my own experiences. And at first I thought they had
asked me to come and speak about crop circles, which is something I've been
studying and researching a lot in my life. But then they said, no,
Jen, this is your chance. And that's the first time I actually
spoke about my own experiences. Oh, that was the first time. Let's
try to bring We'll talk more about that in the second hour. Let's try
to bring Travis t have it on again. Yeah. I just texted him
to let him know. Okay, I don't know if that will help or
not. Well, we'll see what happens. He usually was, let's stop
my texts. Hello, nothing like that, nothing like live radio. That's
right, So all right, So if you yeah, if you text him
again, just tell him we tried him, and yeah, I'm not surprised
if the listeners know. We had him at the live event when he was
at the anniversary, he was on on site where the whole incident happened,
and I had rented a satellite phone and the whole works and and that was
yeah, that was interesting. Also, so you did that in Hebrew last
year. That's right. Oh, okay, Well I was there then too,
so I was we probably cross paths. I was problem solving. Well
I could have used you that night. Well, what happened was Alejandro Rojas
was there and we were talking on the phone and he actually was digging through
the crowd and the dark looking for Travis, who finally showed up. And
we never even used the satellite phone. Wow, but it worked well.
We're helping to improve a lot of the structure and the organization of the conference.
This year. A wonder whole person named Karen Brard is taking over or
Karen Bard, I'm not quite sure how to pronounce her name. She's a
good friend of Alejandra's and she has conference experience and she'll she'll be running the
conference this year. All right, all right, Well, I wish I
could stop that bringing from happening, but I can't, so I will try
periodically. I will try Travis get him on here. Yeah, I've texted
him a couple of times, just to let him know that when he's ready
or when he sees his text, to just text me and I'll tell you
to call someone on the chat chat room. Just we have a chat room
running. And it said have her detail her odd experience opposite of live events.
What does opposite of live events mean? Yeah, I'm not sure.
I'm just reading the question. Oh okay, Well, I'll be happy to
talk a little more about it, since there's been a request that's come in.
I was about nineteen to twenty years old. I'm thinking I think I
had already turned twenty at this point. Now, Yeah, I had already
turned twenty, And it was about August when I was in Pennsylvania where I
grew up near the Lansdale area. I actually grew up in a small town
called Copsville. And it was in a period of my life where I was
writing down my dreams on a regular basis. I had read one of Edgar
Casey's books about understanding your subconscious and I was in a stressful situation in my
life, and I was trying to find a healthy alternative to deal with it
as I was trying to understand my dream. So next to my bed was
a journal and a pen. That's probably why I know about this event,
because I bothered to note it, otherwise it may have slipped into oblivion,
as many things from our young adult life do. So I woke up at
about five point thirty in the morning from a dream that I had, which
was a troubling dream. I dreamt I was actually falling from a very high
place, which is a little odd. I don't know what that means,
but I dreamt I was falling on I saw the ground coming close to me,
and I knew I was going to die when I hit the ground.
And when I hit the ground, my whole body bounced in my bed,
of course, and I woke up and I realized, oh, it was
a dream. So it was about five point thirty in the morning, so
I grabbed the book next to my bed, grabbed the pen, flipped it
open. Now it was not light outside completely. It was more like what
I call black and white. The sun was starting to come up, but
it hadn't fully come up, and I noted that it wasn't quite light out,
and I looked at what time it was, and I loaded down in
the book, and I could see about a mile and a half to two
miles, well maybe not that far. I could see maybe a half a
mile out of my bedroom window. I had floor to ceiling windows. It
was a modern house that my father had built in the fifties, and we
had a little balcony outside, and then you know, a pool in a
meadow, and we had at Mendon Night farmland around us. I mean,
we're kind of in a valley, so I could see this farmland in this
valley out in front of me. And as I'm trying to recapture in my
mind the dream that I had, I see this odd rectangle of white,
brilliant light. It is about if I I took my hand and stretched it
out at arm's length and was holding two quarters end to end, which is
very hard to do, but you know, about the length of two quarters,
it would block this rectangle out. But it was very weird. It
was this rectangle of light, and I looked at it, thinking, well,
that's weird. Maybe it's a blimp reflecting the sun coming up, or
maybe it's an airplane and it's gonna move and then I'll see what it is.
So I went back to the book, and I'm thinking about the dream,
and I go back and I look at this light, and I go
back and look at my journal, and back and look at the light.
And I'm sitting there a few minutes, and finally the light just gets my
attempt far more than trying to remember my dream. And I say, like
most young teenagers would like, what the bleep was that? Right, you
know? Or what the bleep is that? And suddenly, at the moment
that I asked the question, what was that light? Because it wasn't moving,
it seemed to be hovered, urring and stationary for several minutes. It
immediately like jumped in and out of reality, moved right outside my bedroom window,
less than five hundred feet away. We had a big tree in our
meadow which was about seven to eight stories high, maybe eight to nine stories
high. You could draw big square around this tree, like its branches were
as wide as it was high, you know, you could draw a rectangle
around it. And this object, this rectangle of brilliant white light, was
sitting above this tree, almost sitting on top of it, not quite,
but it was as wide as the tree. Now, this of course shocked
me because it like in a blink of an eye, it was right out
there in front of me, and I was shocked. I wanted to jump
up and move and run away. I wanted to scream, I wanted to
yell, But very quickly I realized that I was completely paralyzed and I could
not move. I couldn't open my mouth to scream or yell. I couldn't
move a finger, I couldn't twitch an eye. I was just completely stunned
looking at this thing. And I also felt extremely heavy, like if I
tried to move I was I was like prevented by this huge gravity around me
or something. Something was odd, and I knew I had some awareness that
this object, whatever it was, was looking at me, was studying me,
was downloading something. It's uncleared for me exactly what happened, but for
me, I noticed a few things. In these were my observations. This
object was still undulating brilliant white light. Staring at it made me think I
was going to go blind. But it didn't light anything up, Like my
room was not lit up from it. The tree was not lit up.
The front of my house was not lit up by it. It was as
if it was absorbing light, not putting out light, so there was no
light coming out of it, but it itself was brilliant white light like unlight.
It was like undulated between orange and bright white and different colors shoes of
yellows and every color in between. Now this doesn't make sense, I know,
Martin, You're probably thinking questions in your mind, like, well,
this is weird, right, And honestly, I never heard anyone have a
UFO story that sounded like this. That's why it stayed in my gray box.
But back to the rest of the event. Tears were falling down my
face. I could feel them falling down my face. I was aware that
there was water coming out of my eyes. I was aware that something was
happening that I wasn't in full capacity of what that was. And then I
got the input somewhere in my head that it was leaving. Whatever was happening
was done, and it was going to take off. And in that moment,
it took off in an opposite direction. So it came in from my
left, moving right in front of me, and then it took off moving
to my right. So it was when I first saw it. It was
about fifteen hundred feet in the air, you know, and maybe half a
mile to a mile away, and then it zipped right in next to my
house. And then when it took off, it took off again in three
quick jumps in and out of reality to about a mile maybe a mile and
a half away, and about fifteen hundred feet in the air, where it
stopped dead for a moment. And at that moment I jumped up, went
right up to these floor to ceilings, you know, glass window panes,
and looked at the object and said, wait a minute, like what just
happened? Who are you? What are you? What did I just see?
What did I just experience? You know? Where are you from?
I mean, all these questions were just came right to the surface, and
I was still crying, and I was looking at this object, and then
it just backed out of my of my perceptibility, as if it moved away
from our atmosphere up into an upper atmosphere at intense speed. I saw it
behind a few clouds for a few minutes or a few seconds, I should
say, and then boom, it just blinked out like a light gets was
shut off. I mean, it got smaller, smaller, smaller, small
ark gone. I mean, that's the speed with which it disappeared. So
I ran into my mother's room and asked her if she had seen this object.
I woke her up. She looked at me and said, why are
your you know, why are you crying? You know? No, she
said, well, why are your pajamas all wet? You know, she
was looking at me. Obviously she'd see I was upset. She also thought
I had been on drugs because I was so animated and so upset. She
asked me if I was taking drugs, and I was like, no,
I'm not. I'm asking you about this UFO story. You know, this
object that was just you know, I was quite agitated by it, and
she didn't want to discuss it with me. She was irritated that I had,
you know, woken her up. It was her one morning to sleep
in. I think it was a Sunday morning. So I went to the
bathroom and I walked back in my room and I looked at the little clock
next to my bed, and the clock said seven o'clock. And I said,
now, it can't be seven o'clock. It's not light out. And
then of course I looked outside and realized it was light. The sun had
fully risen, and I sat back down on my bed and I held my
head like I literally put both hands on my head and just was trying to
wrap my brain around what had just happened. I went back, I laid
down just I was cuddling myself, and I kept thinking, no, I
have to write this down. I have to write it all down. I
don't want to forget this. I have to write it all down. And
all the energy drained out of me. I was so confused by this time
difference and by this object I had just seen that I flipped right back into
a sleep, and I had a couple more dreams. I woke up about
ten thirty that morning. I immediately grabbed the journal and I wrote everything down.
I wrote down the first dream I had when I woke up at five
thirty. I wrote down waking up, seeing the craft, having it come
in, the whole ordeal, going into my mother's room after the event,
talking to her. I wrote it all down, and then about three weeks
later, I went back and I looked at the journal as I had been
instructed by this Edgar Casey book, you know, understanding your dreams, and
I noted that, g that's interesting. I went and I spoke to my
mother, so this probably was not all a dream. Some of it might
have been real. So I went and I said to my mom, you
know, Mom, did I kind of wake you up about three weeks ago
and you know, ask you if you saw this UFO? And she was
still mad about it. She said, yes, you know, and I'm
still pissed off about it. I was like, all right, that's all
I wanted to know, So I noted in the journal, well, you
know, I did talk to my mom, so that part's real. But
I still didn't know if what I saw was real until about twenty five years
later. I was in Hawaii taking an open scuba dive course, and I
was visiting a friend who had traveled with me in a road show called Up
With with People. I had spent a year traveling around the world from eighteen
to nineteen in this road show, and this fellow was on the trip with
me, and he had gone off and spent a year in Europe and he
had just come home from that and he was completely out of money. So
I had driven to New York to pick him up, and he was staying
with my parents in our house. He was sleeping outside on a porch we
had in a sleeping bag, and he had the exact same view I had,
one level down. Now we're visiting. We haven't seen each other for
maybe five or six years. We saw each other periodically. We would get
together and he would come visit me, or I would go visit him.
So I'm in Hawaii, I'm visiting him. We're cooking dinner, we're drinking
wine. We're actually smoking a cigarette, which I do occasionally, and he
stops and says, Jen, I've been meaning to ask you this forever.
You have to tell me what happened when we had that UFO experience. And
I took about three steps back. The wine glass completely fell out of my
hands, shattered all over his floor. I said, what are you talking
about? I mean, I was suddenly panicked and disturbed and confused. And
I was like, Wow, this is weird that you brought this up,
because I had just thought, you know, a few weeks before, I
had remembered this event, and I thought it was time to start to unpack
it. And now I'm visiting my friend John Trevett, and he mentions it
so I said, wait a minute, don't even tell me. You take
a pen and piece of paper, you go out in the backyard, you
know, write your story. I'll do the same thing in the front yard,
and then we'll come together and we'll share. I'll read what you wrote,
you read what I wrote. I don't want you messing with my memory
because I don't remember the wee part of it. I remember me, but
I don't remember you being there. I don't know what you're talking about.
And you know, maybe you have a perception of something else that happened,
you know, while we were up with people or someone and you said,
no, no, no, oh, Jennett was while I was at your
house. I went, okay, here's your pen, paper, you go
write it. And so we read each other stories and basically we had the
same experience. Now, what's very interesting to me, Martin, is that
John had some perceptibility that I was having the same experience he he was.
I did not have that. I was totally unaware of that. I thought
only that I was having the experience, and and I even completely forgot he
was at our house. I didn't even write it down on my journal.
So that's that's my UPO experience, and that's what I shared in Exeter.
And you know, I still, you know, gravel with the experience a
little bit. I can't tell you that it's certainly not a typical UFO.
It wasn't like a craft that were used to seeing, like in a disc
or a long cylinder. You know, a lot of people talk about these
these long pillars or cylinders. They look like columns on their side. I
mean, maybe that's what I was perceiving, but the way I perceived it,
I perceived it as a rectangle of brilliant white light. So what what
for whatever it's worth, that's what I experienced. So that opened And when
I had the awareness that John and I both had that experience, I think
it was around two thousand and I had just come back from being in England
and studying crop circles and filming and starting really starting to step out of my
box. My children were old enough that I could do a little traveling on
my own, and I was just starting to begin to explore things. And
I realized that this was my opportunity to start to unpack my UFO experiences.
So I started going to UFO conferences like the Lachland Conference, and I started
leading other people's work, you know, like Peter Robbins and Ridge Dolan and
Travis Walton and Linda Howe. I was lucky enough to befriend Linda Howe because
she lived in Jamison, Pennsylvania, and I started having weekends when my girlfriends
would all come over and Linda would come and we talked for the whole weekend.
She'd come Friday night and she'd still be here someday and she would just
like, this was like we were getting a doctorate degree in high strange.
It's from Linda, and it was wonderful. I just kept cooking meals and
putting people to sleep and waking them up and making beds, and it was
a great introduction to all things strange and odd. So I feel really indebted
to Linda for those special times that we had, and off often we did
this when my husband went off for two weeks to you know, Japan or
China or something on a sales trip, and I had the house to myself.
I still had to take care of my children, but you know,
I could have company for the weekend, which I did. I just want
to update everyone I was able to get a hold of Travis through texting,
and he is going to be up in the second hour, so we're just
kind of swapping things around. So he was under the assumption that it was
real late tonight and or his time or something something happened, but anyway,
so he'll be coming on. So it's perfect that you're talking about this now.
We do have a chat room, so occasionally some questions may come in
there up with people. Someone keeps asking about that. I actually saw that
somewhere I remember years ago, and it was a bunch of people singing and
dancing. Right, is that kind of what you did? Yes, that's
right. Yeah, that's right. I traveled in seventy three, seventy before,
but it had only been incorporated about two and a half to three years
at that point. It got started in sixty eight as a sort of as
an outgrowth of the Kent State murders and the Chicago seven. There was a
lot of unrest going on and a couple of wealthy patrons wanted to channel youth's
ability to express themselves. And music is a great international languae music and dance,
so it used to be just like all folk music, and then we
hired a Hollywood producer, and it turned into a show with the risers and
you know stage platforms that we danced around on, and a much bigger band.
It used to be just a piano and a couple of guitars, and
then we got a sax and horns and you know, drums, and you
know, we we got almost a full orchestra and created something really special.
So I troubled in the very early days, and I really thought I was
doing doing something like trying to help create peace in the world and trying to
help people realize that if we come together and we we are willing to communicate,
and we're willing to share our differences and actually celebrate our differences rather than
fighting over them, we can create a better world. And the world is
really what we create our own worlds and the world at large. So it
was really like a consciousness movement. Okay, well, I don't want to
get too far off track here, but I just wanted to talk quickly about
that. So one of the things I had thought of, have you ever
had any or thought about having any regression? I happy I did do a
regression. I mean I had, you know, Bud Hopkins and David Jacobs
or Bud was a friend, and so is David. David's right here in
Philadelphia with you know, not far from me. They had both wanted to
regress me, but I wasn't Eddie at that point, but I eventually did.
When I went to one of the Lukas Springs conferences, I met a
man by the name of Joe Lewell's and he's written a book called The God
Hypothesis. He is a trained hypnotherapist and he was also a professor I believe
in, an engineer, and he was also involved in Lufan Texas, and
he offered to regress me, and I felt like it was the right time
and the right position. And this is partially what I spoke about when I
was at the Exeter conference. I was able to have some some deeper insights
into the experience. And it sounds rather arrogant and rather strange, but I
can give you a synopsis of what the regression revealed. It revealed that a
soul group that I am part of, or a group of other beings.
I don't necessarily want to say higher beings, but maybe they're more spiritually evolved.
Certainly they have evolved technology, but other beings that I have had previous
lifetimes with, maybe from another planet or from this planet, I'm not sure,
but these beings came to visit me and surrounded me, and I had
memory of them. I experienced about eight different beings and when I looked there,
and I experienced them first as balls of light in the regression, and
as I went deeper, looking into each individual ball of light, I saw
a face. I remembered, a whole personality. I remembered a whole lifetime.
And these were souls or beings that I felt extremely close with. And
that's probably why I was crying. I was having this reunion of sorts and
I was being uplifted by them coming to visit me. As arrogant as this
sounds, it's almost as if it felt like part of myself from the future
came to visit myself in my life in nineteen seventy five to uplift me and
to encourage me and to guide me. It and almost like an omen to
say, don't worry, things are going to be okay. Because I was
in a very stressful point in my life. My father was dying in memphysema.
My mother was working very hard to support a house we could no longer
afford, and I was picking up the slack. I was knowing seven acres
of property. I was working full time, I was in school full time,
and my parents were also on a point where they weren't really communicating with
each other. They both now you know, they're deceased and they both passed
on, but they were using me as the conduit to communicate with each other,
and that was a very uncomfortable position. So I was really stressed,
and I was spending a lot of time at an ashram, and I had
a lot of other friends that were doing things like you know, speed and
mushrooms and you know, drinking, you know, getting very drunk on the
weekends, and I didn't want to choose those options. So I was trying
to figure out what my life was going to be going forward. You know,
I couldn't afford a college education like a lot of my friends were getting,
but I eventually did. I worked my way through college, but I
didn't have parents that could afford to send me so well, you know,
I was just beginning to face my adult life and wondering what is this going
to look like? And the situation I have going on? How long am
I going to be stuck here in my parents' home dealing with this? And
this UFO experience was like a protected wing that came out and reached out towards
me. And that's what the regression revealed. As odd as that sounds,
yeah, it is, it is. I have to say. It's it's
rather odd. How have people received this when you've when you've told them?
In general, I don't really talk about it unless people ask, and depending
on where a person is in their own life journey, I share the story
in you know, limited ways, unless I think they're really interested in the
details. I imagine that your listeners are maybe more interested in the in depth
detail, and it's an honor to be on your show, so I'm sort
of revealing a lot more than I normally do. You know. When I've
done a lot of other shows, it's mostly just been about what it was
it like to produce this film with Travis, and you know, how did
that go and how did you get started. I really haven't spoken a lot
about my own UFO experiences, but this was my first sighting. Now I
have had others since then, and they've all been different, but this was
really like a consciousness push for me. It really challenged me. It challenged
me both in nineteen seventy five and it again challenged me in two thousand when
I finally realized that okay, I wasn't the only one that had this kind
of experience. I mean, John had a very similar experience, and he
still wrestles with it himself, trying to figure out what it was and what
happened. But I know that this lifetime, I've known from a very early
point that this lifetime is about servant and it's more of about a spiritual journey,
and that I would experience very unusual things, maybe different than people around
me. I had a healing when I was eleven from appendicitis by literally calling
on angels or calling on a higher of God or a higher being to help
me. Because I was growing up atheist and I didn't have a religious foundation
to rely on, and I didn't want to undergo surgery. I was away
from home. I was in New York City by myself at a dance camp,
staying at a YMCA, and I was about to be rushed off to
a hospital for an appendicitis operation. And I asked for help, and wow,
did I get It really freaked me out, and I thought I was
going to have to spend the rest of my life as a nun or something,
because I didn't know from spiritual journeys what that meant. When you ask
for help and you get it and you agree to commit your life towards a
higher purpose. You know, I spent a lot of time trying to figure
out what that was, and now as I'm older in my life, I
know that it relates to creating a grounded foundation for other people to begin to
explore their own experiences and odd things that happened to them. It's our lives
are much more multi layered than we realize, and we live in a multi
dimensional universe, and occasionally there are interfaces and overlaps from these other dimensions.
And I think that's where precognition comes in. And you know, having a
sixth sense, perceiving things in the future before where they happen, or even
knowing who's going to call you on a phone, or picking up another person's
thoughts. All of these things are are feasible and possible, and I've been
experiencing them in my life for a very long time and trying to find the
appropriate way to deal with it and and be humbled by it, and you
know not you know, to walk lightly on the earth and to accept these
perceptions as the gifts that they are, and to use them for for good
and not for malicious intent or something else. Wow. You know now,
I was just uh, I was thinking about what you were saying, and
and it reminded me of another story that I'd heard, And I was just
trying to recall that when you were talking about the orbs you saw faces in
uh or something like that being true the regression. I do believe that I
actually had someone talk about that, oh several months ago, very similar story.
Well, yeah, Patty Greer actually experienced some orbs or she interviewed in
one of her films. She interviewed a group of people in England who saw
orb was in a field and then beings wafted out of these orbs, appeared,
floated close to people, and then regressed back into these orbs, and
then the orbs disappeared. It was a similar story to that what you're saying.
So I wanted to actually talk about something else you are involved in the
is it the Pennsylvania movefon? Yes, I am, And how did you
and what do you do with MoveOn? And when did you get involved?
Well? I actually got involved right around two thousand when I came home from
this experience in Hawaii. I had just come back from a crop circle trip
with Ruben Udiarte, who's the head of MUFON in northern California, and we
were in the crop circles together and I asked him if there was a Moufon
group in Pennsylvania and he said, no, Jen, You're going to have
to start one. So I decided I would start a local MoveOn group because
there really wasn't an active one. Tom Carey was directing a small group about
maybe forty minutes from me, and Tom has written a number of books on
Rosweld. And Tom said to me, you know, Jen, why don't
you just take over our local group and do what you're doing at the public
library. So I did. I had started programming through Noetic Sciences because I've
been a member of that. I had met Edgod Mitchell while I was in
up with people. We became friends. I got involved in Noetic Sciences and
I've been studying and researching sort of in the spiritual aspect of my life that
I never made the connection stepping into the UFO connections. So I have for
fourteen almost fifteen years now. I do local public programming at a local library
where once a month I either show a film or have a speaker, or
I'm presenting, or we have a dialogue or discussion, or we skype with
an expert on various topics and they're not all UFO related. Some are health
and wellness, some are ancient civilization. But it's basically education outside of the
box that you're not normally going to find, say on television, you know.
Or we're usually ahead of the game. We're showing things five to six
years before they make it to mainstream media. So I introduce people to grounding
you know technologies, earthing technologies, health and wellness things, consciousness things,
and I've brought in all sorts of fabulous speakers. So this is what I
do for move On. I am also a trained field investigator, but since
I'm also a filmmaker, I want to be able to reserve the right to
you know, make documentaries from the people that I interview, So I don't
do film work for a mouf on and I don't go out and do field
investigations right now because there's a conflict of interest there. But I do help
coordinate conferences. I've done the Pennsylvania MUFON conference with John Ventry for a number
of years now in the Philadelphia area, and I was very involved in the
National symposium helping to organize that just last year when that was here. Did
you have anything to do at all with any of the Hanger ones? No,
I am not on the show. I don't have anything to do with
that. Nobody's bothered to ask my opinion on anything or to be on the
show, which is fine. I'm not particularly seeking the limelight since I'm a
meteor producer myself, right, usually more comfortable, you know, behind the
camera rather than in front of it. Yeah. Now, let's talk a
little bit about some of the film shoot you have created before this one about
Travis. Yes, they're on my website at on Wings Productions. Any of
your listeners could go to the website and see the majority party of that website
is focused on the Travis film because it's really one of the bigger ones that
I've really undertaken. I've done a lot of short films, but I have
I did do a film with Ron James in California called The Disclosure Dialogues.
That was the last big film project I worked on on before I produced the
Travis Film, and now Ron is working with me again. We're actually going
to come up with a version two of the Travis Film because there are some
things we would like to improve in the film. So that's currently in the
works. That's been keeping me busy all year. I see, okay,
but I'm really honored. I'm really honored to share that we've won two Ebby's
with the Travis Film, and we also won two Ebby's with The Disclosed Dialogue.
So when I win, it opened mins. I room big and it's
really a lot of fun. So you were out there this February, Yes,
I was. I missed you. I'm sorry I was out there.
Yeah, Well did you come to the banquet? The closing banquet? So
I had to leave early. I'm involved in a startup and it's been crazy,
so so I just was only able to stay out there for a couple
of days. But we had such a harsh winter back here in New England.
Tell me about it, yes, tell me about No. It was
worse than Philly, for sure. You guys really got slammed. We did.
I was so happy to go there. I was I could have stayed
there for a month. So we're going to be ending this out in just
just a minute here, So one last thing, can you It seems to
me that you you just mentioned earlier your films, were they all really to
the UFO experience more or less? No, not necessarily. I've done someone
Zacharai Sitchen on crop circles. I'm trying to think, well, this is
up there on my website. There's another I was a friend who was killed
in a terrorist bus attack in Israel, so it was a commemorative film about
her. So there's a long list of films there people can look at.
I see. Okay, all right, Well we're going to stop now and
take a quick little music break, but don't go anywhere. We'll be right
back, and then we're going to try Travis right right after that. Well
we're back. I never know what I'm gonna be clicking on there for music
that was by Carrie Lloyd Whitehouse, and earlier we had music by Bruce Renier.
And so we're back with Jennifer Stein and we are going to give Travis
Walton a try and I hope I saved his Ah, all right, this
is uh, this has been a little bit of a challenge getting a hold
of Travis. His number just faded out on the screen. So just hang
in there, everybody. You are back right, Jennifer, I'm right here,
yep. Okay, So here we go. I just have to type
this in and I apologize to the listener. We'll get right on this and
he should be ready to go and we'll try it. I'm warning if he
knows this. Hello, Yeah, Travis, Hey, how are you welcome
to the show? Great aday with you. Jennifer's on as well, and
Travis, are you driving? Yes, I am, but I'll be stationary
here in a minute. Okay, all right, So we just had a
little bit of a mix up. You thought you were going to be on
later on. I guess, oh yeah, yeah, I'm just stow.
The show was between for the last forty five minutes, forty five till eleven.
That would be quite late tonight, so I don't know, yeah,
how it got so early. Yeah, well the time difference maybe for three
hour time differs. I don't see how this is anywhere near eleven time.
Oh no, no, no, the show is, uh, yeah,
the show is eight to ten, eight to ten. But anyway, when
do you think you'll be home, Because we're getting a lot of noise here.
I might just bring you back. I'm about five minutes, all right,
And are we able to call you at the other number? No,
okay, I'll call you at this this number. We'll call you back,
Travis, Okay, okay, all right. Thanks. So another thing,
Jennifer has just said, we're trying to get our sound quality up a little
bit. I think I believe I told you that because as everybody knows,
Art Bell is coming back on fairly soon, and that's one of the the
pet peeves, so to speak, is to get really good sound quality.
So hopefully we'll have a better, better call in just a few minutes.
So that's hugely important for you listen. So that's good. I really appreciate
you helping me walk through and proving my sound. Yeah, we are having
a bit of dropout on your internet, but there's really nothing we can do
about that at this point. Yes, I apologize. I don't know why
occasionally I hear the dropout on your end when we were talking to Since this
hour was going to be about Travis the film, Why don't you talk about
how that whole thing fell came about? Okay, well, I've been going
to UFO conferences, as I'd mentioned, and I was asked by Peter Robbins
to come out and help him on the Rosweld conference. I actually volunteered myself
to kind of be as assistant and help and support it because Peter for many
years ran the Rosweld conference. So this particular year, I think it was
twenty ten, Travis was there, and it's the first time I really got
to meet Travis personally, and we all went out to dinner and we started
to talk about the fact that in a couple of years, in five years,
it was going to be the fortieth anniversary where they had just had the
thirty fifth anniversary, or that the thirty fifth was coming up. And I
said, Travis, you know all these UFO conference sinces are starting up around
the country. Have you ever thought about having a conference in Snowflake? Because
you have one of the all time favorite, you know, top UFO events.
Maybe you should do a UFO conference in your own local neighborhood. It
would stimulate the economy and whatnot. I wasn't thinking about the film. Yet
you know, I was just running conferences in Philly and Peter was running conferences.
So we started to talk to Travis about this, and we volunteered ourselves
to help him coordinate a thirty I guess the thirty sixth conference. Well,
the thirty six never happened, thirty seventh never happened, and the thirty eighth
never happened. But the thirty ninth happened. And partly I think it was
because I started to see and realize the potential for a film. And the
reason I understood or could see my way clear, you know, down the
corridor to produce a film was again focused around a conference. We decided that
if it was November and it was snowing and Travis wanted to take people up
to the site where the event took place, he really wasn't going to be
able to do that, so maybe we ought to produce a short piece for
the conference that would be like a virtual tour of the site. And I
agreed to fly out there, and this is I think in August of It
was about three years ago, was the first time I flew out there,
and I brought another cameraman with me in a bunch of equipment and we went
up into the woods with Travis and some of the other crew members showed up
up and we actually did walk throughs in the forest and we talked with them
and we shot them going back to the site. So I think that was
for the thirty eighth That was the thirty eighth year, and we edited that
together, and we created a little piece called Tracking sky Fire, and it
was to be used in the place of actually going to the site if we
couldn't go to the site in November, you know, if Travis got it
together to organize a conference, you know, this would be a backup.
Once I produced that, I realized, gee, you know, I'm halfway
there to a really decent documentary. All I need is this other stuff,
you know, some archive footage and some interviews with some experts. The following
year, I was planning the Mutual UFO conference here in Philly, and there
were a number of experts coming in for that. So I sat them down
and I had a like a major studio set up up stairs in the Crown
Plaza Hotel in Philadelphia, and I interviewed a group of people, and then
I interviewed other people as well, where and how I could surrounding the Travis
story. And then I went out and I found the polygraph person. I
went and flew out to Arizona and interviewed Sheriff Gillespie and a couple of other
people connected with the story, and then I edited together a really good quality
documentary. So it kind of developed in steps. You know, it didn't
happen all at once. I didn't even see the potential of being able to
afford to produce the film when we first started talking about the conferences. Hang
on, we have a caller on the line. Caller, please introduce yourself
and ask your question him Martin. Peggy, Oh hey, Peggy, how
are you? I'm good? How are you good? Longtime no talk.
Peggy's out in Las Vegas, so and she helps out with the show.
She helps out every day with the Facebook. And I can't thank you enough
for doing that. Peggy, Oh, yes you could. Okay, So,
do you have a question for again money. Well, I'm really enjoying
it, Jennifer. I enjoyed your dream story. I guess I don't have
a question for her. I'm taking ahead to when Travis comes on. Do
you mind no? Go ahead? Well, you know, every time I've
heard Travis speak, and I never get tired of hearing him. I never
get enough of his description of the human entity. Do you remember that?
Are you talking about the ones with the masks? I don't know, but
he encountered human like entities aboard the ship, and maybe Jennifer remembers that,
But it seems like whenever he's spent on or any show, it cuts off
before we get or it's just kind of set in passing. And I would
really like to have some more information about that. You know, who do
you thinks those people were? You know, were they actually uman? You
know? What's so a feel he got about them? Yeah, well,
we'll have to ask him what he's on because that is fascinating. And if
I remember right, they didn't speak at all, they were and I don't
know, I heard this description somewhere else, Peggy, someone said that they
were actually like really beautiful people, like amazingly beautiful. I'll have to ask
him about that, probably my relatives And listen, what about these orbits with
faces that Jennifer was talking about. I don't understand that. Well, that's
what I experienced in my regression. I was, I was you know,
asked some questions by joe Lewells, who was doing the regression, because all
I could I was at a certain point where all I could just see was
the craft and nothing was happening in the regression, and he said, you
know, can you can you move into the craft or can anything from the
craft move to you? And when he gave me that suggestion, then I
was able to see something and I literally stepped into this rectangle of light,
and at the moment that I did, I had a few quick glimpses of
things, but then suddenly everything shut down and all I could see was all
these orbs that surrounded me. Oh, you know, Jennifer, I had
a close encounter experience when I was six, and I have never looked into
as far as having regression. Would you recommend it? Do you think it
really helped you? Well, I still am left with some big questions.
It helped me sort of. I don't know if what I experienced in my
regression is actually what happened, because there is the potential that we could have
made things up. The only quality that I took from the regression that made
me really think it was really well was the emotional component that I experienced when
I looked into each of those orbs and I remembered these beings, It's like
I had memories of lifetimes with them, and I was so happy to see
them. It was like I had seen someone who had been dead for like
two hundred years. You knew a lot. Because I think that all these
experiences are interrelated near death experiences, you know, what you see in regression,
past lives, and the UFOE encounters are all somehow interrelated. Yes,
I think that they are, and I don't think we yet know how to
language these experiences in the appropriate way to really explain that that interface. But
if you study the work of Gary Schwartz, or you look at you know,
some of the other great you know scientists and physicists that are perceiving these
other dimensions in the universe. Person, even if you're a mathematician and you
look at the work of Max Plank, we are stepping into what we do
in the world. Yes, well we we we live in a quantum world
and there are multiple dimensions there and there could be other out as of theory.
Correct, yes, right, well, it's it's it's more than a
theory. It's it's actually a known fact. Now scientific all all science is
a theory. I'm sorry, well it is. I think it's I think
I think they're on the right track. There's nothing that's a fact, right,
and the facts change that correct? Yes, yes, as as our
ability to have repeatability to be changes than are our perception of what's real changes.
All right, I'm going to bring Travis on. Hang in there,
pay, I'm going to let you ask him that question. Okay, I
think I can make this work. One ringy dingy? Does everyone remember that?
Really? Tomlin? That's right whom I thought in concert? Really?
She was fabulous. Hello, please leave a message. Oh gosh, you
know that's that's the wrong number. Oh lord, hell okay, oh all
right, so are you there? Everyone's still there? I'm here. Okay,
Well, you know I'm The thing I worry about was regrets. Regrets
the regression therapy is that I have read so much and know so much.
I'm afraid my mind would be cluttered with all of that. All right,
I think we I think we inadvertently dropped the radio station. Oh dear,
so no one's hearing this, I believe. Oh all right, I think
maybe we're back on Chatroom three. I'm back. You're on now, That's
what the chat room says, Hello, chat room. All right, good,
he's back. We're all sat here. Sorry about that, And that
was definitely the other number. I am going to try Travis again, and
you too, go ahead and talk while I'm trying to work this thing out.
Okay, So Peggy, I can tell you a little bit about the
beings Travis encountered from my understanding and my perspective and working with him. When
he woke up, he encountered what he described as probably grays, although they
had whiter faces. They were about four feet tall, big heads, big
eyes on your jewel hands, and you know, very short, thin bodies,
and he was frightened by them. He said they were very ugly,
and he mustered enough strength to get up off the table he was on.
They were standing around him while he was on a table. He had his
clothes on. There was a device on his chest that was probably healing him
somewhere in his chest. He felt very weak, and he got up off
the table grabbed what he thought was some sort of glass to amongst a group
of like medical equipment tools that he found on a table in the room that
I'm Sorry, that's not the part that she was asking about. Sorry to
interview. She's asking about the human like beings. But what I'm trying to
explain is that he waved a wand to get these I read it in a
movie. Why you think I'd remember more? But travisyly, I can hear
you. We have the right number. Finally, Travis, Travis, we
have pat the line. I'm sure you know Jennifer quite well. She's also
on. But Peggy's out in Las Vegas and she had a go ahead and
ask that question right to Travis. If you would, Peggy, Hi,
Travis, Hi, Peggy. I had a question. You've probably answered it
one hundred times that I've never I guess gotten to hear it. It's about
the human like entities that you encountered on while you were on the craft.
I wondered if you could go into some detail about that. Well, what
do you mean, what kind of detail do you in the description of what,
yeah, and how you felt about them and did you feel that they
were actually human? Yeah? You know, people were always wondering worthy some
kind of a robot that was created by the small creatures in order to be
more you know, soothing to me. But uh, obviously, with an
incredibly advanced technology, if you could create a being, a machine that could
stand in the place of a human being, you're not going to see any
signs like you know, you're not gonna hear worrying and wrecking and jerky movements.
You know, it's it's it's gonna be far better than that. You
know. My theory is that if it was that you wouldn't be able to
tell anyway. But I really don't think that that's the case. I think
that it was an independent species that was probably involved just because they were in
a position to communicate with you at all. Well, okay, was that
was that a frustrating time for you? Of course the whole thing was.
But I mean that you wanted to communicate with them and they just didn't say
anything. Yeah, there was no response. You know, I was just
out of control. I was well screaming in that way. But they could
have said something, you know, let's calm down or something, you know,
we come in peace. Something. Yeah, something like that. I'm
going to it doesn't get too confusing with three people on the line. I
was just going to ask if you had any other questions for I okay,
thank thank you, Jennifer, thank you, Travis, thank you, Cardon
very well, bye bye, Thanks Peggy. Anyone else is also welcome to
call in two. That's six oh three nine sixty seven, four oh three
to zero. There's a question up on the message board, Travis. Someone
wants to know if there were other UFO sightings in the area around the time
that you were abducted. And that's a good question, that's a good listener.
There certainly was us and there were even some of these reports that were
in the sheriff file that we were able to get a look at years later
after the case was basically closed. And also I was contacted independently from other
hunters, campers, you know, fishermen in the area who saw it go
over. Oh yes, I remember that there was a hunter that validated that
afterwards. Another question up on the message board. Have you know oftentimes you
hear about people that are abducted. Your case was a little different though,
because it was most likely you think it might be most likely a rescue mission
as you resapt But someone wants to know if if you've had repeat abductions.
That's probably the most common question I get almost every single time I go anywhere,
I get that repeatedly, I mean more than wanting, and I don't
have anything to report. Uh huh. Well, your your case was not
like the typical quote unquote abduction. I mean was totally unplanned and they didn't
even want to take you, but they try to rescue you. Yeah,
they were forced to because of my unexpected action. Yeah, that's my theory.
Anyway, I watched the movie. By the way, Peter Robin sent
me the movie and I watched it, and Jennifer, I want to compliment
you on your great work and your your beautiful editing, and Travis, you
must be pretty pleased with the film. Oh yeah, it's exceptional and definitely
And do you feel, you know, everyone knows you or the story.
Not everyone, but a lot of people from Fire in the Sky and I
know there was a lot of things that were a little less stray in that
but still a very popular movie, still being watched a lot today. Do
you feel like this movie that you did just kind of puts a lot of
those things to rest that were different in that movie. Well, yeah,
but you know, this film is a documentary primarily. I mean there's some
re enactments, but you know, probably the only way the original Fire in
the Sky will I will be fully put the rest would be for a major
studio to do or remake a full of graumatization that just sticks closer to the
real story on that kind of scale. But it certainly is a really important
step in that direction to set the record straight. M So when you worked,
when you two worked together, did you start at the beginning or did
you you know, I know how I've been involved a little bit in some
short films and stuff like that, and I know how you can take any
part of something and added in to make it work right. How did you
how did you start with this? Well, you know it was kind of
you know, whatever wherever we were, and ardiculous situation or whoever was going
to be in the film, Uh, their availability kind of determine the time
sequence of the shoot, which is certainly not chronological with the film. And
you know there were some elements that were you know, the editing decisions about
where to put those things probably came much later after all that the filming was
done. Travis, Before I forget, I wanted to talk to you about
something I I stumbled across a Let's see some type of forum somewhere where someone
was actually bashing you, you know how that happens, and then you stepped
in and cleared the air about a lot of things, and people were asking,
well, how do we know this is Travis and you ended up?
But are you familiar with that whole situation? Does that happen? Still a
lot that does happen, you know, and generally the people who attack or
the people who know really and really, you don't confuse me with the thoughts.
I've got an opinion here, but come me out then will mess with
the facts later. Uh huh. Now does it just drive you crazy though?
To I mean, do you do actually search and look to see what
people are saying? Or I mean you could go crazy doing that. Well,
I don't look for it, you know. Probably the only way it
was if so many friendly to me gives me a heads up and say,
hey, you know what Zoneso said over here. Yeah. But you know,
I've said many times your name has come up on my show in the
past, and I've said that I've sat right across from you and talked with
you about this whole situation, and you're I'm sorry, sorry, I'm sorry.
That's Jennifer's home phone. I've just answered it and hung up. I
didn't think to the room. I apologize and okay, we were having feedback
there, so okay, so you know, I totally lost my question.
Well, when you were studying across from me and we had discussed with in
the past. It's just the fact that I believe you all the way.
You know, I even told this with my son the other day when we're
out to dinner. You know, it's like you are. You know,
there's some people that I've set and talked to, Charlie Foltz and Jim Wiener
and the Allegash incident and your your case. I don't have a single question.
I believe that that that happened to you, and I I just think
that if you were going to hoax any of this, I mean that that
would be a lot of effort to do, first of all, and then
your story and like like the alligash also has never strayed. It's it's it's
never changed. Maybe other people involved in the incident may, you know,
say a few things, but other than that, the story remains exactly the
same. And well, I just don't understand why anybody would want something like
this to happen to them, right, yeah. Absolutely. I remember the
first time we met about two or three years ago, and I asked you
the question, if you could go back and have this never happen, would
you, you know, and you said absolutely, you know there may have
been has some good come out of this? Oh yeah? You have to
look for the good in order to cope with the bad, and so you
know, you know, you look around and I've learned a lot about a
lot of things. You know, that's that's a good thing. Right.
And then also there's been an evolution in people's response to it. It's much
different than it used to be. You know, most of the time when
I go out in public in the in the communities around here, I get
a lot of positive feedback from people. Now, someone up on the message
board wants to know, have you ever done regression? I think you have,
haven't you? Yes, just only a few days after it happened.
That's the only regression I've done, and I haven't wanted to do anymore.
It was really it was not a good situation, right, well, there
was. It came out that there was other memories, but there was a
message that it would be very dangerous to me to pursue it. And for
a while I thought that was just a fearat just a bluff to may need
to keep keep people from prying into that. But then it came up the
idea that perhaps regressing someone back in time through a period during which they were
in cardiac arrest might actually cause cardiac arrest. Now I understand this is a
fear. This is cardiac arrest from being hit with a blast of energy.
M I see. And once you had a person relive it to that extent
where they're there and then they're in cardiac arrest, you're no longer able to
get them back out with hypnosis because they're they're gone. Wow, I heard
anything like that actually happening the thing. Has anybody ever been hypnotized about a
time when they were in cardiac arrest? I doubt it. I suppose that's
right. Do you ever have dreams about the the incident? Yeah? Yeah,
I sure did you know? And in the aftermath they were mostly nightmares
and mostly just fear based pain based about the smaller entity. But the later,
uh dreams are too much later or mostly about the human type. Really
wow, And and if I remember right of course you you stepped off of
you basically stepped off of the crap, possibly in a mothership, is that
right now? You know it's some kind of a base or hangar or possibly
on other ship. Yeah. Yeah, I couldn't tell whether it was a
building or a huge ship. Oh yeah, that whole that whole thing is
just totally amazing. It's hard. It must be hard to wrap your head
around exactly what was happening here. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, so
Jennifer, just uh, I can ask either one of you this question.
When you decided to make this movie, was there any of the people that
you tried to get on film? Did they decline? I don't recall anyone
declining. Actually, I have would still like to be able to reach Mike
Rogers. I only have archive footage of Mike. I was not able to
interview him directly. He's the only one of the crew that Wader died.
Yes, And that's was my next sentence. There are some people are living,
and that's why these films are so important to make, because you never
know what can happen. And I just think that the younger generations need to
know that this happened forty years ago and these these sorts of things do happen,
and they may Yeah, they might be signs to the future about us
having eventual contact with other species and we need to figure out how we're going
to deal with that, you know what, how we want that to happen.
Well, yeah, and I think that these limited contacts, limited sightings
are a part of that process of getting humanity ready for a more open acknowledgement.
People are certainly interested in the topic. When you do any kind of
research online about the most research topics, the UFOs are right up there with
porn. I think porn is the only other thing that gets resourceful. So
it's certainly on the minds of people around the world, right, and people
all of the world are having experiences. You know, there are over thirteen
thousand UFO reported events between Canada and the United States every year, and that's
probably you know, less than ten percent get reported. So of the ones
that get reported, about thirteen thousand every year just in Canada and the United
States alone. So just do the math on that, you know, that's
that's close to one hundred thousand sightings in Canada and the United States alone every
year. And then yeah, and it's increasing I'm getting book orders and friendly
cluests from the little countries and obscure places around the planet that I've never heard
from before. Really, Wow, how do you think that happens? Travis?
Do you think that's because you think it's because of the movie that just
people start to watch in different areas or how does How do you think the
word gets out there? I think it's a gradually accumulating an essence of the
rumor mail. You know, the stuff that people were using to try to
shoot it down has been shot down and has been you know, currently debunked,
so that you know, this stuff filters out more and more and more,
and people are even now, you know, people said, I hadn't
heard of your story till now, but you know, and so it's it's
still because of the Internet, I think, spreading across Atlanta, right right,
Travis, going back to your youth, did you ever pay much attention
to UFOs or anything, you know, that whole thing. You're all not
a lot, and it's not like, I mean everybody's heard of it,
yeah, you know, but it wasn't a big thing of life. How
I think the rumors? I think Steve Pierce talked a little bit about that.
You know, you don't have to answer for him, but I think
that his family had something, you know, had an interest in that.
But but his actually not an interest but actual experiences because they lived out east
of town, out in the remote parts of the county, and you know,
they just see things more commonly out away from town. I see.
Okay, just reminding the listener, you can jump over to the chat room.
We have quite a few people in there right now. You can pose
a question for Travis or Jennifer, or you can call in the show if
you'd like to ask a question directly. Six h three nine six seven four
to H three to zero is the number. And let's see. So Travis,
I was trying to think of hang on just a minute, looking at
a couple of different message boards. Oh, yes, I want to talk
about your fortieth anniversary coming up. What do you have planned for that?
Well, it's a it's a conference. I've got a really stellar speaker lineup.
We're going to have a SkyWatch and the tour I will accompany people to
the actual site of the incident. So it's kind of like last year.
Is this going to be a yearly event? Yeah? So that's the plan.
And you know, last year was a bit of a warm up for
this and but you know, first time out we made a few little mistakes,
and I think we're going to do a much better job this time around.
That whole area looks beautiful. Is that? Do you live in that
in that area or you know, I'm thirty miles from Hebrew itself, but
yeah, it's what a pretty country here? Yeah, yeah, beautiful,
Jennifer. How much time did you spend out in that area? I spent
two weeks, one week in two thousand and twel I get twenty thirteen,
and then one week in twenty and fourteen in the summer in August, and
we drove all around there. You know, as I mentioned, the first
piece that my co producer and I produced was called Tracking sky Fire, and
Bob Terrio took the lead on that production piece, which will be available for
sale at the conference. I don't think Bob's going to be able to come
out, but on that little film piece, it shows you where Hebert,
Snowflake, and Wholebrook are. These are the three towns that are sort of
connected to the Travis story. So and they're all about thirty minutes apart from
each other. They're quite a drive, but it's a beautiful country. Well,
one other little relaind is that on the eighteenth I will be speaking in
the Vicinity of York, Pennsylvania at the phenomen Pond event there. If people,
of course enough to come me, I'd be happy to talk with you.
Right. Oh, so you're going to be in Pennsylvania and I believe
you're Travis, aren't you heading up? You're going to be in New England
a couple of times this year too, aren't you. Yeah, we've got
a number of events. We're going to be showing the Travis film at the
Experience or Speak event. Also. Okay, I'm trying to read a question
on the chat room that's directed to but it keeps up, it keeps moving.
Okay, someone wants to know if you're encounter affected your view of the
afterlife. No, it did not affect more religious views at all. I
don't think that there's anything about this event that either contradicts or you know,
it's it's actually, if anything, it affirms, you know, a spiritual
dimension, just because the realization that the once you really totally accept the existence
of infinity, both of time and of space than everything is and not only
that it is and has been an infinite number of times. Wow. Interesting.
Okay, So Travis, I was trying to think of what happened to
you, say, right after this whole situation happened. Did things settle down
for you? Did you try to get away from the public eye and all
that. Well, I tried to die out from the media for a few
weeks before. That just made it worse, so I had to go and
do interviews. You know, to refuse to do an interview didn't make the
story go away. It just made it worse, I mean, a worse
angle on the story. So it was one of those things where, you
know, when I was refusing and I had something to hide, and then
when I did the interviews, I was a publicity seeker. So you know,
one way or the other, the dan if you're doing damned if you
don't with with the people who want to take a negative view. But it
took a long time before things slowly, you know, quit being just a
total madhouse. Did you actually like did like were you going to like New
York and California places like that, and being publicly interviewed on television and stuff?
Right after there was some some of that. I did a show called
The Unexplained, a pilot with the Leonard Ramore which I farmed a remake of
it here last week at two weeks ago, and that is still in post
production obviously without Lendard. The more of this time, Yeah, yeah,
dervis what's your what's your daily life like? As far as people reaching out
to you, Well, like I was saying, surprisingly in the community,
you used to have people just point and whisper, and you know you could
tell the real ye who I was, but weren't saying anything. But now
I'm reading in a family way just basically most of the time they go out,
which is quite a switch, right. A question up on the message
board. Did you ever consider that this could this thing could be interdimensional?
Oh? Yeah, you know, I probably mentioned that possibility, uh in
my very first book that cannot a couple of years after the incident that you
know, uh, it could be interdimensional. It could be time travelers.
You know. The simplest explanation is, you know, interstellar craft by conventional
h you know, high velocity traveled. But anything is possible, and spanning
the distance might be a lot easier if there's an dimensional aspect to it,
so that they could actually sort of take a short cut across the distance right
right. One of the things I was impressed with as we were talking before
was the interior. When you're describing the interior of the craft and and you
went to this, uh, they went to this room. Didn't you say
that you could see outside like the stars. Well, I don't know if
it was actually showing what it was out surrounding the craft at that time,
or if it was a planetarium like projection, like a map projection. But
the points of light were starlight, and of course a huge distance is like
the stars. You know, you can't see relative distance, so you know,
you don't have any depth perceptions. So I don't know whether it was
seen through the walls of the craft or somehow representing what was on the other
side, or it was just safely a planetary like projection. I said,
that's that's totally amazing. That whole thing. There's The chat room is kind
of filled up right now with some questions for you, Travis. Someone wants
to know they saw that you did some fundraising for a sick grandchild and wanted
to know how the grandchild is doing well. He's been out of a hospital
for well over a month, law and although he's not cured, he's doing
some lot better. And I went over there the other day and held him
for a long time, and you know, he was reacting to my voice,
and you know, you know, he does still help Sesus occasionally,
but when he's not he's reacts to me totally. Normally, the medication is
quite sedatey. But aside from that, he's he's there. I'm still looking
for up here, of course. M Well, we hope that that works
out, and hope you hope he finds that. Lars in Seattle wants to
know. He wants you to talk a little bit about the the beam or
however, what affected the trees in the area. Can you talk a little
bit. I know the growth rings are different, right, yeah, yeah,
there it was discovered that there was accelerated growth. And then more recently,
just with some more follow up research that was supervised by Ben Hanson,
we discovered that this growth factor was more intense on the side of the tree
in the direction of the craft, so it was kind of directional. Rather
than affecting the whole tree, it was affecting the side of the tree towards
the craft, and that suggests that there could be some kind of a radiating
effect. And Ben Hanson also did some research on wine and discovered that the
Scots pine species in the vicinity of the Chernobyl nuclear accident produced an accelerated wood
fiber growth also, so it's kind of paradoxical. You would think that radiation
would be destructive of for life, but in the case of pine trees,
at least it causes thick and growth rings. Wow. Now did you were
you ever tested for radiation? You know, I was out there that the
crew, some of the crew were when the Geiger counter survey was being done
at the clearing at the site. There was high radiation readings found on the
hard hats that the men had been wearing, But I personally, other than
blood tests, that didn't reveal any sort of a sign of radiation poisoning,
which I'm told would be something like tolerated white self calendar or something. Okay,
a question up on the message board, Let's see what was this.
What was the scariest part of the whole situation. Absolutely, the scariest part
was to suddenly realize I'm trapped and facing these three creatures who were staring into
me with their minds boring into mind in an attack to regaining control of me.
That was the substance of my nightmanister months afterwards. So you actually felt
like they were boring into your mind. Wow. Yeah, I really do
think that they were unsuccessful because of the effects of that energy being heaving hitting
me. And in support of that was the elector encephalograph testing that was done
afterwards. I remember you telling me their eyes were the scariest part, the
way they were just Yeah, and it seems that their mind control somehow emanates
from the stair that they have. I recently on filming of the Seven on
One the movie. Uh, the kids, school kids from Zimbabwe were there
and they had encountered these beings but communicated to them to the stair and they
said to them it was not uncomfortable, that it was, you know,
totally painless, and the message was pleasant. So I'm thinking the reason it
was so unpleasant for me was the were having the combined forces just to try
to get me under control, and it just wasn't working. And that's when
you grab the tool and sort of running them right. Yeah, But see
the EEG. Test was done by a technician who did not know my real
name or the nature of the injury that he was looking for, so it's
more significant what he recorded in the report. Now I see go ahead,
are just that it's double blind. A question that I think I asked you
when I first met you, which is a bizarre question to ask, but
it's up on the message board again, how did you go to the bathroom
on you were there five days? Well, I get that question, but
this comes from people who don't understand that I was conscious or have no memory
of most of that time. So I'm assumed that biological process is continued at
the normal rate, because my beard agree at the normal rate. So there
would have had there been some sort of a toilet involved in somewhere along the
way. Right. A question that I think is rather an important one,
as everyone wants to know when they can see the movie and where. Well,
the Travis film would be shown at various times where I'm appearing, and
Jennifer has some showing set up, so just have to follow Jennifer's schedule or
mind and pick a time. Oh but more importantly, you can actually purchase
the film and order it from either Jennifer or my stuff. Oh okay,
all right. Do you think eventually that'll be sent out to like Netflix or
some think that Jennifer possibly. I am working on improving one of my contractual
relationships with the supplier of some archive footage until I can change or improve a
contract that I have. I had a verbal agreement to go ahead and edit
with some footage that I was going to be able to buy rights to,
and then when I finally provided a contract and a check, this supplier basically
took my check and changed the contract. And so I'm really kind of limited
to what I can do with the film right now. So I'm sort of
an illegal, you know, quagmire, and I'm trying to work my way
forward. But the particular person who owns some of this archive footage has not
been forthcoming, So I'm finding other archive footage, and I'm now negotiating with
ABC and some other people who own a former production called Overlords of the UFOs
in which there's some other archive footage. We can replace out some of the
footage that's in there, so we'll have to jump through those hurdles, but
right now I can sell it online as a DVD. And it can screen
at film festivals and in UFO festivals. So we have a screening schedule up
on the website called Travis waltonthemovie dot com and we're continuing to update that.
Like every Peter Robbins has been working on promotion really diligently. It's how you
found out about it. Martin was like Peter. So we're working on having
screenings all over the world. They're in gosh, many many places right now.
There's one going to be in Australia next week. They were all across
Canada, all across the United States, Hawaii, Scotland, England. So,
and we're working on a connection in Spain to show it in Spain.
So we're trying to get it out there as much as we can. Right
someone up on the board, Travis wants to know if you would autograph a
DVD if they bought it directly from you. I. Yeah, I actually
have some autographed copies myself. If they make a special request to me through
the website, they can contact me. I can send them an autograph copy
or Travis can either either one. All right, someone up on the message
board brings up another quagmire. They say traveling at the at blight speed is
you know, the time issue there, relativity and it could be that you
weren't gone that long, but then again you did have the five day growth.
So I'm going to roll this into another question that's up there water food.
Do you remember anything about that? Well, I think the hydration is
a little bit deficient. There may have been a medical reason to actually do
that intentionally, but there were not signs of starvation medically afterwards, so evidently
there was some kind of nutrition and hydration, And I'd like to go back
to that, you know, light speed question. Stan Friedman has a book
out called Science Was Wrong, and he has a very good analysis of this
very common U misconception that the nearest stars are just impossibly too far away uh
for to get there by conventional you know, Newtonian physics. But that's not
the case. And he lays out the math how accelerating at less acceleration than
you would from say a real good fast sports car, uh, that it's
still achievable within feasible time. And it does a very good analysis of laying
out in the math to where, you know, the common misconception that you
would have to accelerate at one g for half the journey and then accelerate at
the other half. Uh, is not true. You would accelerate much higher
rate initially, but because of the conservation of momentum, you're never going to
have to add more energy after that point, and you will continue at that
speed for the remainder of the journey. So the maths does work out that
it is feasible with conventional technology that we have now to to cross those kind
of distances. Uh. Another question up there. Have you ever been approached
by anyone that suspiciously could be a government? Yeah. I've often wondered about
certain people who pose those journalists coming along and doing in depth interviews that never
really you know, reach publication, but no one identifying themselves from the government.
You know, they're not going to pull up to the curb in front
of my house and a big black car with government plates and get out with
military uniforms or whatever. They have their ways of bringing it out things,
And that was conspiculously absent from any contact. I had nothing over it,
because obviously to do so would be implying that they're taking it seriously. If
you intend to suppress it, you don't recognize that you try to by ignoring
it, pretending you to. Now, Travis, one of the things,
uh, when I was talking to the Aligash, you know, people their
their lives changed, you know, dramatically, their artwork did. And uh
one of them all of a sudden became really uh proficient at math who never
really had much of interest in it. Did anything like that change? We
only have a we only have about three minutes left, so do anything like
that change? Yeah, but that's the kind of stuff I don't like to
talk about because I don't like to be the bug in the jar. But
yeah, they're they're possibly some things, nat sure, and you don't want
to talk about it. I can respect that. So we have like we
just have a couple of minutes left and is there And I want to make
sure that people get the word where they can get the film and check out
both your website, Jennifer, it's sky yours is I'm sorry? What is
your website, Jennifer? If it's easy for people to remember Traviswalton themovie dot
com. If they google that, they'll get right to the film website.
And that's my on Wings production site. They're one and the same I've put
two URLs together while we're promoting the film, so traviswaltonthmovie dot com. They'll
get to my site, they can contact me. And the other major thing
people should know about is they can get involved and participate in the conference.
This year. They can come to the fortieth anniversary event in Hebrew, Arizona.
And if they go to Skyfiresummit dot com they can learn about this upcoming
conference. They can register online, they can plan to be there. It'll
be a really special event to be at. We'd love to see them.
And if people are interested in arranging a screening, they can contact me through
the Travis waltonmovie dot com and we can discuss what's involved in that, and
you know, I can kind of, you know, give them the steps
that are involved. It's not that complicated. And if somebody wants to share
the film with a group of people at a public library or something, I'm
very interested to talk to them. And Travis your website if you would,
And can people contact you from your website? Yeah, yeah, those are
directively for to email me through Travis Walton dot com, which is still similar
to Travis Walton Movie. But just drop the movie and you got me Travis
Walton dot com. All right, very good, Well it's been a real
pleasure, and Travis, I'm glad we finally got a hold of you.
Yeah, Jarvey about the list communication, but we'll read it all right,
Well, all right, so that's it. I want to thank thank you
both very much for joining us, and Travis, I'm sure we'll be crossing
paths along with the along with you. So that's it. Everyone for the
show. Thank you the guests, of course, and I want to also
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