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It's Halloween season, so we're talking about weird deaths, and today Chip is
talking about the toxic Lady that he has been bringing up multiple times, and
I only have a vague recollection of what this is. I know that I
saw like some vice type adjacent documentary on this years ago, and that's all
I remember is that she was a toxic lady. You know, that's your
toxic Cut it out of the way early. I like how you knew the
exact legal limit we could say on this show without me having to tell you
or edit it out. Of course, I think we've been doing this for
what two three Tanton. We started in twenty nineteen, November of twenty nineteen,
so we technically predate a pandemic, and with that let's get started.
In nineteen ninety four, Gloria Ramirez was a thirty one year old woman with
cervical cancer in Riverside, California. She had only been diagnosed with stage four
cervical cancer six weeks before her death. Already, it's sadder than I remember
it being. Yeah, it's not going to get happier. I see conflicting
reports of whether she had already started chemo slash radiation or not. Most things
said she hadn't started any sort of treatment, but sub said she might have
started chemo. I feel like that's important in terms of her time toxicity.
That that's okay. We'll talk about it again later. It's only so much
knowledge we have on the science pit anyway. On February nineteenth, at approximately
seven fifty pm, the fire department and an ambulance arrive at Gloria's home.
She has an irregular heartbeat and is having difficulty breathing. She also reports having
been nauseous and vomiting for the past few days. The ambulance drives her to
Riverside General Hospital emergency room, and on the way she's put on a heart
monitor. She's given oxygen and has an ivy put in, they drive,
everything's normal. They arrive twenty five minutes later. Gloria is conscious, but
lethargic and answering questions a little incoherently, so she's not really all there.
She also has a rapid heartbeat and shallow breathing. They give her various medications
that are normal for doing things in the emergency room, including ada van valium,
light, Decayan, and others, and later tests would show that she
also had drugs in her system, including taylanol and camapazine, which is however
you pronounced it, it's an anti nausea medication, which makes sense. Yeah,
And so multiple staff members report that they smell a garlicky slash fruity smell
and that her body appears to have an oily sheen to it, you know.
In a very short amount of time, they're like, she's getting worse,
so they ventilator. A quick little pause right here. Some of you
may recognize the story not from its actual news story, but from a Gray's
Anatomy episode. So A Grey's Anatomy episode was modeled after this, which is
part of why I'm having so much trouble remembering. I'm like conflating them both
in my head, and I'm not sure which was that episode in which is
this? Also, there was an X Files episode apparently based on this.
I haven't seen it. I can't tell you anything about Wow. I bet
my grandfather has rest in peace. Gloria is getting worse and she's ventilated by
Maureen Welch, a respiratory therapist. IVY is put in by Susan Kane.
When Susan draws blood from this new IVY she's put in, she detects an
ammonat like smell. She passes the syringe to Welch, who also smells the
ammonia, and Welch will pass the syringe to Julie Kurtchynsky, a medical resident
who's working at Interesting Already. I'm like, okay, well it's airborne because
the respiratory therapist. But also the fact that they're smelling something. They're not
poking themselves with the needle, like there's no there's no blood contact, not
that we know of. Even a plebotomist is completely gloved up when they're taking
your blood or doing an IVY. So it gets Pastaky who notices a Manila
colored crystals in the blood. What they're very small, they look yellowish.
They're in the blood and that's upsetting. So the nurse Kane who had passed,
who had taken the blood, she passed the syringe on and leaned over
to smell the ammonia to figure out where it's coming from. She you know,
takes a step back and then proceeds to fate. She falls down.
She gets caught by I think it's by ochoa, and you know, she
wakes up because that fainting, you just wake up instantly sometimes, And she
reports that her face felt like it was burning hot. Inhaled too much ammonia,
right or something, And so they pack her up and put her on
a gurdi and roll her away from Gloria. Then we've got Gortchinsky next,
who reports feeling lightheaded and queasy. She leaves like I'm gonna go sit down,
and when someone one of the Whoever's went to check on her and say,
hey, how you doing, she faints. She starts having convulsions and
aptias. Aptia is being when you stop breathing for a little bit. Oh
my gosh, Jesus, that's when Welch the original one, the one who
ventilated her, is now having convulsions too, So how many are out now
three we've got three big symptoms and then unclear when the rest of them are
reporting symptoms, but those are the big ones. At this point, the
doctor in charge, Umberto Ochoa, orders the evacuation of the ar All the
rest of the ear patients and most of the staff are taken out to the
parking lot and there's just a crew of it didn't specify, but small crew
left to try and save Gloria. Yeah, there is emergency protocol for any
kind of pathogens like this, and I'm guessing at this point that they start
fully peering up masts, disposable robes, the whole nine yards at this point.
Anecdotally, probably true in some capacity. You know, all the doctors
and everyone who went out into the parking lot with the other ones, you
know, we don't know what's happening. So they all have to strip off
their clothes and bag them and they're just providing patient care in their underwear.
YEP, decontaminate. That's fun. That's a fun image in your head.
I mean, when you think about the amount of bodily fluids that regularly are
getting on your scrubs. I know from experience, it can be a lot
sometimes, and so you would think that they would have lots of clean new
scrubs and they wouldn't be doing patient care in their underwear. Weird vibes,
I vote. The reason I say anecdotally is because I'm not sure that probably
you know, lasted more than five minutes or happened for a lot. But
it's just a funny image, so you know. Yeah, So Choa orders
everyone out and it's just a few of them who stay and try and save
Gloria. She's intubated and she's given more drugs and defibrillated, but she does
not survive. And the doctor in charge declares her time of death at eight
fifty, about an hour after they showed up at her house. How absolutely
horrible. She's like worried about trying to beat cancer and she doesn't even have
a chance. And it was diagnosed stage four real late. Yeah, but
it's not late because I wasn't. Again. See, that's what's weird too.
If it was colon cancer like like the Grey's Anatomy episode, or like
intestinal cancer somehow, I don't know, Just like the gaseousness aspect, it's
just weird to me. Even with blood infections like sepsis and then having lingering
blood infections, you have to take antibiotics for rest between. Like it has
to be completely separate from the cancer, maybe not separate from potential chemo.
It just has to be another thing, unless there's some kind of breakdown of
other organs, like if it metastasized and went to the liver or something and
then it's excreting, you have like the liver excreting. I'm in medical mode.
I'm sorry, this is actually annoying. I didn't mean too. This
is why we're here. What is the podcast? Is your livers secretes toxins
when it's in peril or shutting down? Okay, continue on. In total,
twenty three staff members of A thirty seven who were all present, report
at least one symptom. Of those, twenty three, five were hospitalized.
One, Sally Balduras, who wasn't directly invulged, but she helped move the
body after Gloria died, spent ten days in the hospital experience apneas. Holy
shit. Wow. But the one who got it the worst was Gortchynsky,
who spent two weeks in intensive care. She had the respiratory therapists. She
was the medical resident who noticed the crystals two weeks in intensive care. A
whole long list of shit, including apneas hepatitis which is liver inflammation, pancreatitis,
pancreas inflammation, and a vascular necrosis, which is when bone tissue is
deprived of blood and starts to die. What a fuck she had this a
vascular necrosis in her knees so bad that she would be on crutches for months
afterwards. It's unclear how long she was there before you know it started going
wrong, but everything describes it as she quickly is going wrong, and she
was only there. She got there at eight fifteen and was dead by eight
fifty. I mean it makes the ammonia makes sense because infections produce ammonia,
but not like to the extent of like attacking someone like I can understand somebody
getting dizzy. I could understand like, but she could have had an infection
in her body for a decade. I mean, it could have such wildly
different symptoms. I feel like being nauseous and apnea and liver toxicity are just
not if you gave me those symptoms, And why is it just leaking out
of her veins as they take her blood out. Yeah, an autopsy.
Shockingly they did three. Okay, go on. At this point we get
into the oh, how do we explain this, and the answer is we
don't. Hazmat team arrives at the hospital around eleven PM and they search the
hospital for you know, things they expect or things that they don't expect,
and they find nothing, nothing that seems to indicate anything that could be anything
like this. It's cleared by ten am in the morning. Had she been
removed by at this point, Yeah, during all this time, she was
put in an airtight casket and you know, double bagged and put safely away.
And anyone in this hospital right now is in a hazmat suit. And
when they get to the autopsies, all three of them, they will be
in hazmat suits and they will be in a specially designed room to make sure
the gas doesn't leak out because they have no idea what's fucking happening. Just
so that we're on the same page, this is the kind of shit that
you do so that you don't start a pandemic. This is what if this
was done three years ago, we'd be living very different lives. Right now,
and I'm bitter as fuck, but also good job for not unleashing this
on the world. I mean, it's a mystery. Did either of you
ever read the stand by Stephen King or see the Thing? I don't remember
I did. I did see the thing, well, the prologue. The
very first thing that happens is there in like a government facility, and the
alarm gets hit that something's broken. Yeah, and then the toll booth worker
and it's so yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and the toll booth worker
does a runner and it's his fault that everyone is dead. Just just die
with the rest of your people. You're working at a secret government facility with
dangerous shit. Don't murder the rest of the world because you got scared,
because now your whole family's dead. And that anyway, at the hospital is
you know, super clean, decontaminated or whatever. I perform multiple optopsies.
The first one is after six days, then another one after oh I want
to say it was two weeks, I didn't write it down, and then
another one that was more like a month and a half later. That's smart
as fun, though, because those are way different states of decomposition. I'm
so sorry. Medical mode. I know that this was a woman with a
family. Again, this is a podcast. This is why we're here,
I know. But it's not like a spooky story or like this happened in
nineteen twenty. But all the autopsies and searching the hospital itself gets basically nothing.
There are many different organizations who will get involved, the Riverside Coroner's Office,
the California Department of Health and Human Services, and some federal agencies,
and the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health. I hope the CDC.
Technically I didn't see it listed. No one mentioned it cool and notably an
organization, the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories, But we'll get back to them later.
So every test that everyone runs seems to return basically was at normal levels,
and there were very few things that were like this is elevated, and
those things didn't explain what happened. What was elevated. Three things that were
weirdly elevated. One was an unidentified amine, I mean amine, you know,
a derivative of ammonia. I probably contributed to that smell. I mean
yeah, I would I would say so, especially since they smelled an ammonia
smell. But one team said that the presence of that, I mean amine
is probably because her body was breaking down tigan, an anti nausea drug,
so that's probably why there were that elevated levels. Oh okay, so her
meds would have affected that level at the very least. Yeah, But so
didn't they give her that anti I thought they gave her the anti nausea medicine
at the hospital. Well, she had been feeling nauseous first few days,
so she had already taken it mostly. Oh god, it I was I
was thinking that she was given it at the hospital, in which case it
was. It wouldn't be in your blood supply that much if you had just
taken it but got it. She was on antennages. Second thing was nicotinamide
compound that it's a vitamin B crucial for human health. That was thrown out
at one point. It's also used in meth, so that was elevated and
it's fairly cheap, so it's in uh, you know, meth drugs,
but we don't. There wasn't any evidence that she was on meth itself.
You didn't find that. Also, there will be mentioned of PCP, and
there was no evidence that she actually had PCP in her system. It's just
like, these are some of the things that we know that are most common
for this very specific like that's elevated. It's usually because of x quyerity.
Yeah. And then the third thing that was elevated and therefore weird was die
meth full cul phone. And now we have to talk about chemistry. I
was already looking at the chemistry and like what so the main theories that we'll
talk about involves dimethyl sulfone, dimethyl sulfa, sulfoxide, and dimethyl sulfate.
I'm gonna call them a cull phone DM DMSO, which is the sulfoxide one
and sulfate the one that they found elevated in her system. The sulfone one
is a kind of solvent that you know is used in industrial places, but
also our body produces small amounts of it naturally, right, But it has
a quick half life and so it's usually out of your system after a few
days. But hers had very high levels even in the you know, later
autopsies, and they check that she didn't have a tumor, right, I
don't know why, Yeah, but I mean very specifically pituitary gland maybe.
Okay, So the thing that was making me think pituitary gland is that it
could It's one of those types of tumors that could cause your body to start
making a lot more of something or not making as much of something. And
I'm wondering if you if it's the right things, the right combination of things
that are being overproduced, if they wouldn't basically cause like some type of noxious
toxin together, like once they're chemically combined, that would then turn that person
into like a toxic bomb. Basically it's like perfect storm moment. Yeah,
like it's coming when it's coming through your skin. Yeah, well I had
to be in it would have had to be. But I'm I'm saying,
I wonder if there's like some chemical combination that we didn't realize would create that
effect. It is produced within her own body, I mean, it doesn't
seem I'm going with aliens, Jip. If you go with Aliens, I
swear to out it will come through this computer. The woman from the Titanic,
they none of them really showed up anything, like there wasn't any mention
of a pituitary tumor. But so the official cause of death as we all
know, which is the thing that literally kills you. Not the manner of
death. Cause of death was cardiac dysrhythmia brought on by acute kidney failure,
which was brought on by cervical cancer making a urinary blockage. So that's where
they went with the high ammonia, is that it had to have something to
do with urinary tract getting blocked and then that ammonia was building up more.
They do not connect anything about her death to the chemicals. They release cause
of death, heart attack, and the coroner's office like, okay, case
closed, Yep, yep, we don't have to do any weird. Yep,
We're good. And everyone's like, no, you have to. You
have to try and explain what the fuck happened. So everyone's investigating, no
one finds anything, and eventually California's Department of Health and Human Services has a
team who does a survey, asked standardized questions of all the staff members.
Well, thirty four of the thirty seven staff members don't ask me why?
Did an analysis of their answers. This is a quote from an article we'll
talk about later. The survey found that those afflicted tended to be women rather
than men, as well as people would skipped dinner that evening rather than those
who had a full stomach. Correlation does not equal causation. Everyone listening at
home, if there's one thing that you remember from this episode today from our
podcast from life, please, correlation does not equal causation. And with these
statistics and their analysis of whatever other questions there were, the California Health Department
officially says that the cause of the symptoms for all the staff members was mass
hysteria. Did you see a woman and to say the hospital for ten days
and another one for two weeks. The men in black really come in and
be like, it's swamp gas. It's swamp gas. Another quote from that
same paper that we'll get to in a second. Reaction to this interpretation was
not unanimously favorable, as you can imagine, including the woman Kachinsky. She
filed lawsuit for various reasons six million dollars. I couldn't find the conclusion of
these lawsuits for the record, but yeah, she was suing for Hey,
I didn't imagine it, and also, hey, my workplace like extra endangered
me. What the fuck the mass hysteria theory? It just feels a little
bit, you know, I'm fine with the mass hysteria theory in some circumstances,
but when you're like affected women more than men, and also people who
had eaten, Like why would they say mass hysteria, mass hysterias a theory?
Nope, So no one was happy. All of those people in Elizabeth
Proctor. So one of the people who had been affected a Welch, respiratory
therapist. The respiratory therapist Welch had been collecting pieces of information this whole time,
like here's some newspaper articles, here is a coroner's report, here's a
tacatology, here's a legal brief. Many people unhappy. She sent her notebook
of information to the Livermore National Laboratory, who they were involved. They didn't
really find anything conclusive, but she sent this little packet of them with begging
like can you please look this over again, because she felt they were the
only one involved without a vested interest. They look over her notebook, they
notice that elevated cell phone and they think about that in contu junction with dmso
which is the oxide one? And they're like, hey, wait a second,
and what if this is what happened. They write up a little brief
they're like, hey, we think this might be what happened. This is
a possible theory. Maybe they send that as a preliminary draft to the corriner's
office, and the Corners office is like, hey, everyone, here's what
happened. That's the explanation, the end, and so the livermore people,
right. We emphasize that this proposed explanation is not an unequivocal proof. It's
just like, this is our theory based on what we know as professionals.
Yeah, we made some guesses. We didn't get to personally do this autopsy
and have involvement in this lab testing. So this is what we can guess
at, but we can't prove it in anyway. This is what we've tried
to piece together. Maybe someone should look into this. And the coroner's office,
who has been under news media this guy national attention because oh my god,
the woman's body poisoned everyone. Well, it's typhoid Mary type of situation.
People I'm guessing were like terrified that there was going to be more of
this toxic lady. But so as far as the official record goes, Corgor's
office is like, here's your answer, and that's the end of the official
story. Well, just to explain what the Livermore team proposed, there's three
things one, Thing too, and Thing three. Well let's call them Thing
one, Thing two, and Thing four because that's how many oxygen are involved.
Oxygen two is what they found in her system with elevated levels. That's
used as an industrial solvent, and our bodies produced naturally at lower levels.
Thing one one oxygen is also an industrial solvent, and it has properties that
have some pain killing effects but also can make you lose your eyesight. So
back in the sixties people were doing research on it and they were like,
this is a new miracle drug. And then it turns out it fucks with
your ISA, and so the FDA was like, stop that, don't treat
people with that. And so it has very narrow cases where it's used as
a medication, but people love a home remedy. So people will go to
hardware stores and buy Thing one dmso, which is at freely high concentration levels
because it's used for unsticking things, and they will just use that to treat
like muscle pain. It's really common in athletes in like the eighties would do
this like a like bleach bat at a cap pull of bleach to a bathtub.
It's good for like psoriasis, ezema, skin issues, but is this
actually good for anything? At least use it for muscle pain that was not
detected on her body. However, the thing, the theory is a thing
four soul fate with four oxygen. It's used as a reagent in testing scenarios,
which is like they put in the same with a chemical and they're like,
how do you react with this sulfate thing? But also it's a super
deadly nerve gas and a very little amount cannot make you very unhappy, very
quickly. The theory is she had a thing one and bought it as a
treatment for her pain for her cancer. She was given oxygen in the ambulance
and then also in the er, which it turned it into both the thing
too and thing for When her blood went from you know, warm body to
ar room temperature, which is colder than your average room, it super cooled
and became super saturated. It's very close to my pituitary gland theory. It
was. It very was, but the way that she got those very specific
chemicals in her body was different. Obviously, it wasn't something just being overproduced
it makes sense to me. I'm guessing the airborne quality to it is because
their oxygen based were to be transported through the respiratory system. Well, yeah,
the Thing four, the sulfate one. You know it's used in warfare,
or if it hasn't been, it's been talked about we're gonna bustard gas.
Yeah, weren't talking that sort of Conceptually, it sucks and notably it
break it'll break down quickly. So they didn't find any proof of Thing four.
They didn't measure any D four, but it could thing four, D
four whatever, but it could have broken down very quickly back into Thing two,
which is the thing they found elevated levels of. It just makes sense
to me too. It wasn't just it was a chemical reaction. It was
an oxygen based chemical reaction, and that's why it would be able to transport
respiratorily. Forgot to mention thing one Dmso when you apply it to yourself topically,
it gives you a bit of an oily sheen, and some people report
that it's kind of garlicky in smell. Oh m, I know that they
just proposed it was like, oh, we think this is what happened.
But yeah, it does make sense. The thing is there are problems with
it, Unfortunately. I think that there's probably problems with any series. Well,
yeah, I think that they still obviously would need to take precautions if
these symptoms ever came up again, in case it was some type of new
disease, that very specific set of circumstances, the chances of it happening again.
You're not hearing me argue too much. Just we got to visit the
problems, because they do have some problems with them. Problem one really small,
not a hurdle at all. The family claims that she was not using
dmso I have no problem with the idea that either they are trying to protect
her in some way or didn't know because she didn't tell them it. Didn't
want to hurt them to know. I wouldn't tell anyone, especially because if
if I was doing it for pain, I don't think knowing stage four,
knowing it could be terminal. I don't think i'd want my family to know
how much pain I was in, and I think a lot of people would
feel that way. I would never share that information. Yeah, it's fair.
Yeah, problem to this one I mentioned because it's sort of disproven.
Some people objected because this tear gas I say tear gas. A major symptom
that'll be notable when you do have exposure to this is eye symptoms, tearing
up and burning in the eyes, And initially there weren't any reports of those,
like the initial summation of the symptoms didn't mention that, but then a
later one did show that the people who were having at the worst also reported
tearing up eye problems. So that's taken care of. The big problem though,
is that the team who proposed this don't know how the chemical reaction would
work. Like, you know, it's sort of a sure because we've got
more oxygen. Something could happen and they mixed together and now they're all attached.
It's like medical physics literally can't tell you why it happens exactly, but
this is definitely what happens and how it would happen if we could prove that.
And that's what theoretical physics is before it turns into real physics. That
is basically what it is. But then you have scientists experts in the field
who say, yeah, that's totally possible and absolutely not, that's impossible,
And that's where we get no scientific consensus pusso you know, there are problems
with this theory. What could be some other explanations the family Gloria's family blames
the hospital and believes in the cover up theory. Don't they're trying to push
it up on Gloria, But it was actually something the hospital did in fucked
up. This I got from fucking BuzzFeed Unsolved because I watched it after I
was done researching it. Because apparently they did an episode. They're supposedly reports
that this hospital had issues in ninety one and again in ninety two with chemical
toxins like sewer gas type of problems. The sister said something to the effect
of, I believe if she hadn't come to that hospital, she'd still be
alive. I couldn't find any sources that actually said this hospital definitely got dinged
for those things. But you know, it's not impossible. I'm not against
the idea of a cover up. I also do like this chemistry because it
sounds like it makes a lot of sense. All but one of the symptoms
on the list that people experience was on the symptoms of this nerve gas,
and it does make sense to me too. It makes sense to me that
like the ones with the worst symptoms would have the eye symptoms. Like the
load matters, like how much you're being exposed whatever it is matters like now
we would say like viral load, and they were the ones that reported the
smelling of it. It is a little weird because the one who was in
the hospital for ten days, not two weeks, she wasn't actually attending glory.
She just helped move the body. Those gashes could still could have been
released, and she was close to the body. Yeah, yeah, it
could have been. It's very confusing and weird, and she was probably exposed
for longer in the elevator with it in clothes, so she was potentially in
the elevator next to the body and closed spaces for a longer period of word
coming and going so quickly, one singular, one of the other doctors that
was in the room. Yeah, even COVID is you know, directly reflect
aflected like that, with exposure time being a matter of you know, work
environment and stuff. Yeah, yeah, if you walk past somebody at the
grocery store that has COVID, it's not likely, But if you're sitting and
chatting with somebody for fifteen minutes. It's very likely other things proposed by the
internet, so the best ones. Yeah, yeah, someone in the hospital
is smuggling the meth precursors. Not true myth in oxygen bags and those oxygen
bags get mixed in with the real oxygen bags. No evidence for that one
that I've found convoluted. But also I understand how somebody somehow gotten the symptoms
of the meth precursor are similar to the symptoms, but it helps to have,
you know, documented cases of this precursor meth being smuckled. Also,
Reddit proposed arsenic. She was treating herself with arsenic, and those symptoms sort
of match. None of the things seem to have mentioned elevated arsenic. I
feel like an autopsy or two might have mentioned it. My thing is like
State Health Department also tested you said the name. You know what I'm saying,
though, Like I just feel feel like unless the CDC or something is
doing the autopsy, that they might just be like, oh, this is
what our lab our standard test is. I'm sure at some point point that
in the later test. But also how long what is the life of arsenic
in the bloodstream after like a month and a half when they do like the
last autopsies, like did it start? The first autopsy was done by the
local health department, the second by the state, and the third by this
you know, the CDC or whatever. By time you get to that higher
up and you keep going higher up, are certain things going to still be
in the blood stream? And the definitely the second time when I'm jaded as
fuck, I don't trust anybody to run a regular Why would you have any
particular feelings on that specifically, I don't know. It's weird. And then
one thing I want to mention because I don't have any sources, but I
don't want to just throw this out because it comes from the family. But
supposedly when they hired they of course this is not supposedly they hired a corridor
privately to do an autopsy, but as you absolutely should. But when he
did it, he could come to any conclusions because her organs were mishandled and
contaminated with vehicle matter, and also her heart was missed. I said,
I don't trust anyone to actually do their job, even if they're dealing with
blood, a debt body, a murderer, life and death scenario. Do
not trust anyone see their problems. Is this a theme on this show that
autopsies are useless? People are useless? Scientific method is useful if implemented correctly,
but when used as a as prescribed does not ever happen. That's weird.
The heart missing bit and weird is wild also unsubstantiated, but BuzzFeed said
it the literal syringe that was, you know, the guilty party loss of
course. Oh like they just threw it in a sharp's container after they used
it and there was probably a million used needles. I'm going with she was
doing something weird remedy wise or something, whether it's the oil thing or whether
it's whatever it could have been. But there's definitely some malpractice here. There's
just too much weird stuff. I love a theory that includes the science and
the conspiracy. The reason that I feel like it has to do with the
body just personally is how immediate it was after these people started treating her specifically,
and that people are coming in and going out of the room at different
times. If it would have been like a contaminant in the room, then
the woman that took her body probably wouldn't have been as exposed. If she
wasn't in the room and people that enter that room later it feels like also,
but it checks out with oxygen being the factor the increase of oxygen throughout
the period. If you've heard any other compelling theories about the Toxic Lady,
please let us know about them, because we're very interested in them, and
we do mean compelling compelling. Also, while you're at it, you can
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