WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:06.679 Outwitting the Devil by Napoleon Hill, nineteen thirty eight, Chapter three, A 2 00:00:06.719 --> 00:00:11.599 Strange Interview with the Devil. While you are reading the Interview with the Devil, 3 00:00:11.800 --> 00:00:15.160 you will recognize from the brief description I have given you of the history 4 00:00:15.199 --> 00:00:18.519 of my life what a deparent effort the Devil made to muzzle me before I 5 00:00:18.559 --> 00:00:23.920 gained public recognition. You will understand also, after reading the Interview with the 6 00:00:23.960 --> 00:00:27.760 Devil, why the interview had to be preceded by this personal history of my 7 00:00:27.839 --> 00:00:32.320 background. Before you begin to read the interview, I want you to have 8 00:00:32.359 --> 00:00:35.520 a clear picture of the final fling the devil had at me, and be 9 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:39.600 it remembered with prophet that it was this final fling which gave Mercy a chance 10 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:44.359 to turn and twist the Devil's tail until he squealed out his confession. The 11 00:00:44.439 --> 00:00:49.960 Devil's undoing began with the Depression in nineteen twenty nine. Through that fortunate turn 12 00:00:49.960 --> 00:00:53.320 of the wheel of life, I lost my six hundred acre estate in the 13 00:00:53.359 --> 00:00:58.359 Catskill Mountains. My income was entirely cut off. The Harriman National Bank, 14 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:02.159 in which all my funds were top posited, folded up and was wiped out 15 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:07.480 Before I realized what was happening. I found myself caught up in a spiritual 16 00:01:07.519 --> 00:01:11.000 and economic hurricane, which evolved into a world wide catastrophe of such force that 17 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:17.439 no individual or group of individuals could withstand it. While waiting for the storm 18 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:21.560 to cease and the stampede of human fear to stop, I moved to Washington, 19 00:01:21.640 --> 00:01:23.920 d C. The city from which I made my start after my first 20 00:01:23.920 --> 00:01:30.599 meeting with Andrew Carnegie nearly a quarter of a century previously. There seemed nothing 21 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:34.159 for me to do except sit down and wait. All I had was time. 22 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:40.719 After three years of waiting without tangible results, my restless soul began to 23 00:01:40.760 --> 00:01:45.280 push me back into service. There was little opportunity for me to teach a 24 00:01:45.319 --> 00:01:49.439 philosophy of success when the world around me was in the midst of abject failure 25 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:53.159 and men's minds were filled with the fear of poverty. This thought came to 26 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:57.920 me one evening while I was sitting in my automobile in front of the Lincoln 27 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:01.480 Memorial on the Potomac River, within the shadow of the Capital. With it 28 00:02:01.519 --> 00:02:07.439 came another thought. The world had staged an unprecedented depression over which no human 29 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:12.280 being had control. With that depression had come to me an opportunity to test 30 00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:15.879 the philosophy of self determination to the organization of which I had devoted the better 31 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:21.319 portion of my adult life. Once more, I had the opportunity to learn 32 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:27.159 whether my philosophy was practical or mere theory. I realized too the opportunity had 33 00:02:27.159 --> 00:02:30.159 come to test a claim I had made hundreds of times that every adversity brings 34 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:35.719 with it the seed of an equivalent advantage. What if any, I asked 35 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:39.319 myself, were the advantages to me of a world depression. When I began 36 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:43.840 to look for a direction in which I might move to test my philosophy, 37 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:47.639 I made the most shocking discovery of my life. I discovered that, through 38 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:52.520 some strange power which I did not understand, I had lost my courage. 39 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:58.439 My initiative had been demoralized, my enthusiasm had been weakened. Worst of all, 40 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:01.319 I was sorely ashamed to acknowledged that I was the author of a philosophy 41 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:06.560 of self determination, because down deep in my heart I knew or thought I 42 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:09.039 knew that I could not make my philosophy pull me out of the whole of 43 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:14.719 despair in which I found myself. While I floundered in a state of mental 44 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:19.680 bewilderment. The devil must have been dancing a jig of rejoicing. At last 45 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:23.400 he had the author of the world's first philosophy of individual achievement pinned under his 46 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:29.599 thumb and paralyzed with indecision. But the Devil's opposition must have been at work 47 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:34.000 too. As I sat there in front of the Lincoln Memorial, reviewing him 48 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:38.919 retrospect the circumstances which had so many times previously lifted me to great heights of 49 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:43.000 achievement, only to let me drop to equal depths of despair. A happy 50 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:46.039 thought was handed over to me, in the form of a definite plan of 51 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:50.319 action by which I believed I could throw off that hypnotic feeling of indifference with 52 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:53.680 which I had been bound. In the interview with the Devil, the exact 53 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:58.400 nature of the power by which I had been deprived of my initiative and courage 54 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:02.000 has been described. It is the same power with which millions of others were 55 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:06.639 bound during the Great Depression. It is the chief weapon with which the devil 56 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:13.199 ensnares and controls human beings. The sum and substance of this thought which came 57 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:16.319 to me was this despite the fact that I had learned from Andrew Carnegie and 58 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:21.480 more than five hundred others of equal business and professional achievements, that noteworthy achievements 59 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:26.240 in all walks of life come through the application of the master mind, the 60 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:30.720 harmonious coordination of two or more minds working to a definite end. I had 61 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:33.319 failed to make such an alliance for the purpose of carrying out my plan to 62 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:40.399 take the philosophy of individual achievement to the world. Despite the fact I had 63 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:44.560 understood the power of the master mind, I had neglected to appropriate and use 64 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:48.800 this power. I had been laboring as a lone wolf instead of allying myself 65 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:56.120 with other and superior minds. An analysis. Let us now briefly analyze the 66 00:04:56.160 --> 00:05:00.720 strange interview you are about to begin. Some who read I want to ask 67 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:03.399 after they finish it, did you really interview the devil? Or did you 68 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:09.759 merely interview an imaginary devil. Some may wish the answer to this question before 69 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:14.079 they begin the interview. I will answer in the only truthful way I could 70 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:17.079 answer, by saying that the devil I interviewed may have been real just as 71 00:05:17.079 --> 00:05:20.079 he claimed to be, or he may have been the creation of my own 72 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:27.199 imagination. Whichever he was, whether real or imaginary, is of little importance 73 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:31.439 compared with the nature of the information conveyed through the interview. The important question 74 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:36.000 is this, does the interview convey dependable information which may be helpful to people 75 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:41.040 who are trying to find their places in the world. If it conveys that 76 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:44.800 sort of information, no matter whether it is conveyed in the form of fact 77 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:48.920 or fiction, then it is worthy of serious analysis through careful reading. I 78 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:53.199 am not concerned in the least as to the real source of the information, 79 00:05:53.439 --> 00:05:56.959 or as to the real nature of the devil whose astounding story you are about 80 00:05:57.000 --> 00:06:00.759 to read. I am concerned only with the fact that the devil's confession squares 81 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:05.319 perfectly with what I have seen of life. I believe the Interview does convey 82 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:10.279 information of practical benefit to all who have not found life to be friendly. 83 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:13.879 And the reason I believe so is the fact that I have made the central 84 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:16.439 theme of this book yield to me all the happiness I need in the form 85 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:21.279 best suited to my nature. I have had experience with enough of the principles 86 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:25.800 mentioned by the devil to assure me that they will do exactly what he says, 87 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:30.439 they will. That is enough for me. So I pass the story 88 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:32.279 of the interview on to you for whatever you may be able to make it 89 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:38.399 pay in useful dividends. Perhaps you will get the greatest values if you accept 90 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:42.439 the Devil as being what he claims himself to be, relying upon his message 91 00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:45.759 for whatever it may bring you that you can use, and not worrying as 92 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:49.040 to who the Devil is or whether he exists. If you want my honest 93 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:53.920 personal opinion, I believe the Devil is exactly who he claims to be. 94 00:06:55.040 --> 00:07:00.680 Now let us analyze his strange confession. After forcing his way into the consciousness 95 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:04.319 of the Devil, mister Earthbound began the unwilling interview with questions which could not 96 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:10.680 be evaded. Here begins the interview with the Devil. I have uncovered the 97 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:14.720 secret code by which I can pick up your thoughts. I have come to 98 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:18.360 ask you some very plain questions. I demand that you give me direct and 99 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:24.759 truthful answers. Are you ready for the interview, mister Devil? Yes, 100 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:29.319 I am ready, but you must address me with more respect. During this 101 00:07:29.439 --> 00:07:33.000 interview. You will address me as your majesty. By what right do you 102 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:39.079 demand such royal respect. You should know I control ninety eight percent of the 103 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:43.160 people of your world. Do you not think that entitles me to rate as 104 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:47.240 royalty? Have you proof of your claim? Yes, plenty of it? 105 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:54.399 Of what does your proof consist? Of? Many things? If you want 106 00:07:54.439 --> 00:07:59.639 answers, you will address me as your majesty. Some things you will understand 107 00:08:00.279 --> 00:08:03.120 you will not. In order that you may get my viewpoint, I shall 108 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:07.160 describe myself and correct the false notions people have of me and my place of 109 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:13.759 abode. That is a fine idea, Your majesty, start by telling me 110 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:20.959 where you live. Then describe your physical appearance, my physical appearance. Why, 111 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:24.759 my dear mister earthbound, I have no physical body. I would be 112 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:28.879 handicapped by such an encumbrance as those in which you earth bound creatures live. 113 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:33.360 I consist of negative energy, and I live in the minds of people who 114 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:39.279 fear me. I also occupy one half of every atom of physical matter and 115 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:43.559 every unit of mental and physical energy. Perhaps you will better understand my nature 116 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:48.840 if tell you I am the negative portion of the atom. Oh, I 117 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:54.320 see what you are preparing to claim. You are laying the foundation to say 118 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:56.200 that if it were not for you, there would be no world, no 119 00:08:56.360 --> 00:09:03.360 stars, no electrons, no atom no human beings. Nothing. Is that 120 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:09.600 correct? True? Absolutely true? Well, if you only occupy one half 121 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:15.360 of energy and matter, who occupies the other half? The other half is 122 00:09:15.440 --> 00:09:22.279 occupied by my opposition? Opposition? What do you mean? The opposition is 123 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:26.799 what you earth bound call God? So you have the universe divided up with 124 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:31.399 God? Is that your claim? Not my claim, but the actual fact. 125 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:37.519 Before this interview is finished, you will understand why my claim is true. 126 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:41.480 You will also understand why it has to be true, or there could 127 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:45.200 be no world such as yours, no earth bound creatures such as you. 128 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:50.440 I am no beast with a forked tongue and a spiked tail. But you 129 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:54.000 do control the minds of ninety eight out of every one hundred people. You 130 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:58.759 said, so yourself. Who causes all the misery in this ninety eight percent 131 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:03.200 controlled world? If you do not, I have not said that I do 132 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:07.360 not cause all the misery of the world. On the other hand, I 133 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:11.799 boast of it. It is my business to represent the negative side of everything, 134 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:16.799 including the thoughts of you earthbound people. How else could I control people? 135 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:24.799 My opposition controls positive thought, I control negative thought. How do you 136 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:28.279 gain control of the minds of people. Oh, that is easy. I 137 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:33.200 merely move in and occupy the unused space of the human brain. I sow 138 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:37.559 the seeds of negative thought in the minds of people, so I can occupy 139 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:41.480 and control the space. You must have many tricks and devices by which you 140 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:46.159 gain and hold control of the human mind. To be sure, I employ 141 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:52.480 tricks and devices to control human thought. My devices are clever ones too. 142 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:58.519 Go ahead and describe your clever tricks, your majesty. One of my cleverest 143 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:03.279 devices for mind control is fear. I plant the seed of fear in the 144 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:07.559 minds of people, and as these seeds germinate and grow through use, I 145 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:11.960 control the space they occupy. The six most effective fears are the fear of 146 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:16.240 poverty, criticism, ill health, loss of love, old, age, 147 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:22.200 and death. Which of these six fears serves you most often, your majesty, 148 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:28.080 The first and the last poverty and death. At one time or another 149 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:31.519 during life, I tighten my grip on all people through one or both of 150 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:35.080 these. I plant these fears in the minds of people so deftly that they 151 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:39.960 believe them to be their own creation. I accomplish this end by making people 152 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:43.840 believe I am standing just beyond the entrance gate of the next life, waiting 153 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:48.600 to claim them after death for eternal punishment. Of course, I cannot punish 154 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:54.120 anyone except in that person's own mind through some form of fear. But fear 155 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:56.679 of the thing which does not exist is just as useful to me as fear 156 00:11:56.720 --> 00:12:01.960 of that which does exist. All forms of fear extend the space I occupy 157 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:07.600 in the human mind. Your majesty, will you explain how you gained this 158 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:11.440 control over human beings. The story is too long to be told in a 159 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:16.399 few words. It began over a million years ago when the first man began 160 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:20.559 to think. Up to that time, I had control over all mankind. 161 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:24.720 But enemies of mind discovered the power of positive thought, placed it in the 162 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:28.120 minds of men, and then began a battle on my part to remain in 163 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:33.320 control. So far, I have done quite well by myself, having lost 164 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:37.639 only two percent of the people to the opposition. I take it from your 165 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:43.559 answer that men who think are your enemies. Is that right? It is 166 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:48.039 not right, but it is correct. Tell me something more about the world 167 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:52.480 in which you live. I live wherever I choose. Time and space do 168 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:56.600 not exist. For me, I am a force best described to you as 169 00:12:56.759 --> 00:13:01.600 energy. My favorite physics dwelling place, as I have told you, is 170 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:05.679 the minds of the earth bound. I control a part of the brain space 171 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:11.879 of every human being. The amount of space I occupy in each individual's mind 172 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:16.440 depends upon how little and what sort of thinking that person does. As I 173 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:20.799 have told you, I cannot entirely control any person who thinks you speak of 174 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:26.279 your opposition. What do you mean by that? My opponent controls all the 175 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:31.320 positive forces of the world, such as love, faith, hope, and 176 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:37.440 optimism. My opponent also controls the positive factors of all natural law throughout the 177 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:41.679 universe, the forces which keep the Earth and the planets and all the stars 178 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:46.080 balanced in their courses. But these forces are meek in comparison with those which 179 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:50.360 operate in the human mind under my control. You see, I do not 180 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:56.080 seek to control stars and planets. I prefer the control of human minds. 181 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:58.960 Where did you acquire your power and by what means do you add to it? 182 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:03.639 I add to my power by appropriating the mind power of the earth bound 183 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:07.759 as they come through the gate at the time of death. Ninety eight out 184 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:11.720 of every one hundred who come back to my plane from the earth plane, 185 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:15.039 are taken over by me, and their mind power is added to my being. 186 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:18.720 I get all who come over with any form of fear. You see, 187 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:22.759 I am constantly at work preparing the minds of people before death so I 188 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:26.679 can appropriate them when they come back to my plane. Will you tell me 189 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:31.679 how you go about your job of preparing human minds so you can control them. 190 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:35.960 I have countless ways of gaining control of human minds while they are still 191 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:41.159 on the earth plane. My greatest weapon is poverty. I deliberately discourage people 192 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:46.519 from accumulating material wealth because poverty discourages men from thinking and makes them easy prey 193 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:52.559 for me. My next best friend is ill health. An unhealthy body discourages 194 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:58.679 thinking. Then have countless thousands of workers on Earth who aid me in gaining 195 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:03.440 control of human minds. I have these agents placed in every calling. They 196 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:09.840 represent every race and creed, every religion. Who are your greatest enemies on 197 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:13.639 Earth? Your majesty, All who inspire people to think and act on their 198 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:20.480 own initiative are my enemies, such men as Socrates, Confucius, Voltaire, 199 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:24.559 Emerson, Thomas Paine, and Abraham Lincoln. And you are not doing me 200 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:28.840 any good either. Is it true that you use men who have great wealth? 201 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:33.600 As I have already told you, poverty is always my friend because it 202 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:39.159 discourages independence of thought and encourages fear in the minds of men. Some wealthy 203 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:43.240 men serve my cause, while others do me great damage, depending upon how 204 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:48.320 the wealth is used. The great Rockefeller Fortune, for example, is one 205 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:54.240 of my worst enemies. That is interesting, your majesty, Will you tell 206 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:58.399 me why you fear the Rockefeller fortune more than others. The Rockefeller money is 207 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:03.080 being used to isolate and conquer diseases of the physical body in all parts of 208 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:08.600 the world. Disease has always been one of my most effective weapons. The 209 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:14.399 fear of ill health is second only to the fear of poverty. The Rockefeller 210 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:18.159 money is uncovering new secrets of nature in a hundred different directions, all of 211 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:22.799 which are designed to help men take and keep possession of their own minds. 212 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:27.240 It is encouraging new and better methods of feeding, clothing, and housing people. 213 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:32.639 It is wiping out the slums in the large cities, the places where 214 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:37.279 my favorite allies are found. It is financing campaigns for better government and helping 215 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:42.519 to wipe out dishonesty in politics. It is helping to set higher standards in 216 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:48.320 business practice and encouraging business men to conduct business by the golden rule, and 217 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:52.759 that is not doing my cause any good. What about these boys and girls 218 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:56.240 who are said to be on the road to hell? Are you in control 219 00:16:56.279 --> 00:17:00.720 of them? Well? I can answer that question only with yes and no. 220 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:03.880 I have corrupted the minds of the young by teaching them to drink and 221 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:08.039 smoke, but they have me baffled through their tendency to think for themselves. 222 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:12.960 You say you have corrupted the minds of the young people with liquor and cigarettes. 223 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:18.680 I can understand how liquor might destroy the power of independent thought, but 224 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:22.200 do not see what cigarettes have to do with helping your cause. You may 225 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:26.599 not know it, but cigarettes break down the power of persistence. They destroy 226 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:32.119 the power of endurance, They destroy the ability to concentrate, They deaden and 227 00:17:32.200 --> 00:17:36.559 undermine the imaginative faculty, and help in other ways to keep people from using 228 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:41.160 their minds most effectively, do you know I have millions of people, young 229 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:45.519 and old, of both sexes who smoke two packages of cigarettes a day. 230 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:51.039 That means I have millions of people who are gradually destroying their power of resistance. 231 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:55.440 One day I shall add to their habit of cigarettes, smoking other thought 232 00:17:55.519 --> 00:18:00.839 destroying habits until I shall have gained control of their minds. Habits come in 233 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:06.960 pairs, triplets, and quadruplets. Any habit which weakens ones will power invites 234 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:10.759 a flock of its relatives to move in and take possession of the mind. 235 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:15.440 The cigarette habit not only lowers the power of resistance and discourages persistence, but 236 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:22.039 it invites looseness in other human relationships. I never thought that cigarettes were a 237 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:26.279 tool of destruction, your majesty, but your explanation throws a different light on 238 00:18:26.359 --> 00:18:30.440 the subject. How many converts to the habit do you now claim? I 239 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:34.920 am proud of my record. Millions are now victims, and the number is 240 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:40.680 increasing daily. Soon I shall have most of the world indulging in the habit. 241 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:45.720 In thousands of families, I now have followers of the habit, including 242 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:49.519 every member of the family. Very young boys and girls are beginning to take 243 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:53.920 up the habit. They are learning how to smoke by observing their parents and 244 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:59.680 older brothers and sisters. Which do you consider to be your greater tool for 245 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:03.799 gains in control of human mind, cigarettes or liquor without hesitation, I would 246 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:08.319 say cigarettes. Once I get a young person to join my two package a 247 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:11.839 day club, I have no trouble in inducing that person to take on the 248 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:17.319 habit of liquor, over indulgence of sex, and all other related habits which 249 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:22.759 destroy independence of thought and action. Your majesty, when I began this interview, 250 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:26.359 I had you all wrong. I thought you were a fraud and a 251 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:30.079 fake. But I see now that you are quite real and very powerful. 252 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:36.200 Your apology is accepted, but you need not have bothered. Millions of people 253 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:38.440 have questioned my power, and I got most of them at the gate as 254 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:44.559 they came over. I ask no person to believe in me. I prefer 255 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:48.279 to that people fear me. I am no beggar. I take what I 256 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:53.240 want by cleverness and force. Begging people to believe is the business of my 257 00:19:53.319 --> 00:19:59.079 opposition, not mine. Your majesty, will please pardon my rudeness, But 258 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:00.839 I would not be able to to look myself in the face again if I 259 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:04.640 did not tell you here and now that you are the damnest fiend ever to 260 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:10.279 be turned loose on innocent people. I always had the wrong conception of you. 261 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:14.519 I thought you were kind enough to let people alone while they were living, 262 00:20:14.799 --> 00:20:18.359 that you merely tortured their souls after death. Now I learn, from 263 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:22.720 your own brazen confession that you destroy their right to freedom of thought and cause 264 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:26.200 them to go through a living hell on earth. What do you have to 265 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:32.599 say to that I get what I want by exercising self control. It is 266 00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:36.480 not so good for my own business, But I suggest you emulate me instead 267 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:41.240 of criticizing me. You call yourself a thinker, and you are otherwise you 268 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:45.319 would never have forced this interview on me. But you will never be the 269 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:49.839 sort of thinker that frightens me unless you gain and exercise greater control over your 270 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:56.559 own emotions. Let us get away from personalities. I came here to learn 271 00:20:56.599 --> 00:21:00.880 more about you, not to discuss myself. Please please go ahead and tell 272 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:03.319 me of the many tricks you have devised for gaining control of the human mind. 273 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:08.400 What is your most powerful weapon? Just now? That is a difficult 274 00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:14.880 question to answer. I have so many devices for entering human minds and controlling 275 00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:18.160 them that it is difficult to say which are the most powerful. Right at 276 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:22.359 the moment, I am trying to bring about another world war. My friends 277 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:26.839 here in Washington are helping me to involve America in the war. If I 278 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:30.400 can start the world to killing on a wholesale basis, I shall be able 279 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:36.000 to put into operation my favorite device for mine control. It is what you 280 00:21:36.039 --> 00:21:40.440 may call mass fear. I used this device to bring about the Other World 281 00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:45.160 War in nineteen fourteen. I used it to bring about the economic depression in 282 00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:48.880 nineteen twenty nine, and if my opposition had not double crossed me, I 283 00:21:48.920 --> 00:21:52.640 would now be in possession of every man, woman and child in the world. 284 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:56.680 You can see for yourself how near I came to world domination, the 285 00:21:56.759 --> 00:22:00.319 thing I have been struggling to attain for thousands of years. Yes, I 286 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:07.480 see your point. Who wouldn't you are a very ingenious manipulator of the minds 287 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:11.359 of people. Is your devilish business carried on only through people of high position 288 00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:18.119 and great influence? Oh No, I use the minds of people in all 289 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:22.279 walks of life. As a matter of fact, I prefer the type of 290 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:26.519 person who makes no pretense of thinking. I can manipulate that sort of person 291 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:30.319 without difficulty. I could not control ninety eight percent of the people of the 292 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:36.160 world if all people were skilled in thinking for themselves. I am interested in 293 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:40.680 the welfare of those people whom you claim to control. Therefore, I wish 294 00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:42.720 you to tell me all of the tricks by which you enter and control their 295 00:22:42.759 --> 00:22:48.680 minds. I want a complete confession from you, So begin with your cleverest 296 00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:52.559 trick. This is suicide you are forcing on me, but I am helpless. 297 00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:56.440 So settle down, and I will place in your hands the weapon by 298 00:22:56.440 --> 00:23:00.640 which millions of your fellow earth bound will defend themselves against me.