1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,199 The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big Fight Weekend. Now 2 00:00:10,519 --> 00:00:16,519 Here is your host Djwaves. Well, I am back from Arizona and we 3 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:21,519 are ready to go with fight cards every which direction. We welcome into the 4 00:00:21,519 --> 00:00:25,239 Big Fight Weekend Preview Podcast. I'm somewhat confident Host TJ. Reeves, he's 5 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,640 our insider. Hello, Dan Rayfield from Bigfight Weekend dot Com and your fight 6 00:00:28,679 --> 00:00:34,640 Freaks unit Substack. We get ready for heavyweight intriguing action. The real Big 7 00:00:34,679 --> 00:00:40,679 Baby Jared Anderson is back in action in Corpus Christy, Texas. FAA Jogba 8 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,759 on the co feature heavyweights, lots of heavyweights. We've got a matchroom card 9 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,840 in Manchester, England, and more to preview. How are you as we 10 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,039 get ready for the weekend. I'm good, I'm ready to go. I 11 00:00:51,039 --> 00:00:55,039 think it's a little bit of a light weekend, but the business will pick 12 00:00:55,039 --> 00:00:59,200 off as we go along. But I am intrigued by the two parts of 13 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,520 these two cars like that. Yeah, I mean, there's uh, there's 14 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,640 definitely some interest whenever we talk heavyweights, that's for sure. Again, we 15 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,159 should remind everybody here that if you like what we're doing, make sure that 16 00:01:10,239 --> 00:01:14,319 you're following subscribing apples, Preaker, Spotify, give us a five star review 17 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:18,200 that helps us out with the algorithms we preview going into the weekend Thursday night 18 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:23,680 into Friday, we recap Sunday night into Monday. So we definitely appreciate you 19 00:01:23,719 --> 00:01:27,680 guys helping us out with a rating, with a review, subscribe, share 20 00:01:27,719 --> 00:01:30,719 it out social media, interact with us, et cetera, and we get 21 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,799 a lot of positive feedback on that. So the heavyweights, again, it 22 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,480 always kicks up a notch or two here, But there are a lot of 23 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,040 questions. I think it's fair to say as we go into this top rank 24 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:47,519 ESPN pay per View coming this weekend, there are questions around Jared Anderson, 25 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,959 who's not pay per view. Excuse me, not pay I got pay per 26 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,959 view on the brain. It's just a regular ESPN top rank. No dear 27 00:01:55,959 --> 00:01:57,680 got reel as much as much as we've had issues with pay per view. 28 00:01:59,159 --> 00:02:01,799 Uh, but Jared Anderson correct me if I'm wrong. Has he been arrested 29 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:06,239 once? Twice? Five times? How many times has has he been arrested 30 00:02:06,239 --> 00:02:08,319 since the last time we saw him. I think I'm kidding. I think 31 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,680 there was two arrests. Maybe there were I forget, we know what, 32 00:02:12,199 --> 00:02:14,680 it's not good. Let's put it like that. Now, he did come 33 00:02:14,719 --> 00:02:17,759 out and was somewhat contrite and realize he needs to show some more maturity. 34 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:22,680 I was glad to see those comments that he made, and we'll see if 35 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:28,639 he can turn the corner and kind of mature as a person, because forget 36 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,680 about his boxing curd. You don't want to see the young man go down 37 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,479 to the wrong path in life. And obviously, if you're gonna be in 38 00:02:32,479 --> 00:02:37,039 the spotlight as as a heavyweight of consequence potentially a heavyweight champion down the road, 39 00:02:37,759 --> 00:02:38,439 you know there's gonna be a lot of eyeballs on. You're gonna have 40 00:02:38,439 --> 00:02:40,719 to get used to it. I gotta grow with thick skin before we get 41 00:02:40,719 --> 00:02:45,400 into the matchup. Is it fair to say you love to use crossroads in 42 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,120 terms of fight in the ring? Is this a crossroads moment for him? 43 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,719 I mean, because there's a lot of the reason I bring it up. 44 00:02:52,719 --> 00:02:54,919 There's a lot of people to believe he doesn't love the sport, doesn't care, 45 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,719 and the actions out of the ring are maybe demonstrating some of that. 46 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,080 So you don't think it's to that level. Continue No, I mean because 47 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:07,159 he this is not at a crossroads event from the standpoint. Can he mature 48 00:03:07,199 --> 00:03:09,400 himself, but that's not going to be seen in one fight. And just 49 00:03:09,439 --> 00:03:14,280 so people back's back up for a second. He got arrested for evading the 50 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:19,000 police in a car chase, and before that he'd been arrested for having uh 51 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,280 if I'm not if I remember correctly to have a gun in the car or 52 00:03:23,319 --> 00:03:28,199 speeding and marijuana as well, Yes you are not. That are not going 53 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,560 to be good for you as a person, much less as a professional athlete. 54 00:03:31,199 --> 00:03:36,439 Uh So, he was facing distractions and obviously legal issues because of that, 55 00:03:36,479 --> 00:03:40,199 but the career is proceeding. He is headlining this ESPN top ranked card 56 00:03:40,199 --> 00:03:46,039 in Corpus Christy. He's taking on Read Mary, a one time second tier 57 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:50,240 level cruiserweight title holder who has not been excellent as a heavyweight. So if 58 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,120 you use the word crossroads, I don't view it at a crossroads fight because 59 00:03:53,159 --> 00:03:57,479 Jared Anderson is a mega favorite in this fight. I believe I didn't say. 60 00:03:57,479 --> 00:04:00,840 I didn't say cross roads fight. Is he at the cross of having 61 00:04:00,879 --> 00:04:04,479 to demonstrate I really want to be a heavyweight contender, if not a heavyweight 62 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:08,319 champion. No, and I mean, you're not going to change his mindset 63 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,479 of that. He's not going to suddenly go to you know, I'm just 64 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,000 in this because of the money, and then I suddenly love the sport. 65 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,000 He has to have some love in somewhere deep in his reservoir to have put 66 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,879 in the efforts and the conditioning and the types of things he's done for a 67 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:27,160 number of years already to get to this point. But we'll see. He's 68 00:04:27,199 --> 00:04:30,439 still a young fighter in his early twenties, and we'll see if he can 69 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,360 become what a lot of people think he can become, which is a legitimate 70 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:38,000 heavyweight contender and or champion. Remember he's twenty four, so they got sixteen 71 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,560 pro fights. It's not like he had hundreds of amateur fights. He did 72 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,319 very well, by all accounts, in some very serious sparring sessions with Tyson 73 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,160 Fury, who liked him so much, had him back in the camp on 74 00:04:47,519 --> 00:04:51,639 multiple occasions, and he's been brought along I think, very very well by 75 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:56,920 top rank. He's gotten some victories against the types of guys you're supposed to 76 00:04:56,959 --> 00:05:00,279 beat on the way up at Jerry Forest, the undefeated George Area, the 77 00:05:00,319 --> 00:05:04,120 former IBF title holder, Charles Martin, you know, even like the grizzled 78 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:09,639 veteran that could handle himself like Ridenko, those types of victories, and now 79 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,959 read Mary in my opinion, is another guy sort of in that line. 80 00:05:12,959 --> 00:05:15,399 I don't view him as anything much better or worse than that group of a 81 00:05:15,439 --> 00:05:18,199 fighters I just mentioned. He does have a very good record at thirty two 82 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,920 and two with twenty six knockouts, But the fact of the matter is he's 83 00:05:21,959 --> 00:05:29,040 really a career long cruiserweight and in his heavyweight time has basically only had three 84 00:05:29,079 --> 00:05:31,800 fights. He's two and one. But what he's living on and the reason 85 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:36,000 why he makes sense in this spot and what got in this fight probably is 86 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,720 because in his most recent fight, which was in December, so he's not 87 00:05:39,759 --> 00:05:43,240 coming off a long layoff either. TJ is that he won a split decision 88 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:48,079 over Tony Yoka, who was the Olympic super heavyweight gold medal winner for France 89 00:05:48,319 --> 00:05:54,120 back in two thousand and sixteen, who has been an abject disappointment and failure 90 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,399 if you ask me as a professional, probably do it with his own issues. 91 00:05:58,199 --> 00:06:03,120 There's been issues with missing drug tests and taking suspensions. In my opinion, 92 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:08,199 did not come in top condition for certain fights. In any event, 93 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,360 he hangs his hat on a win over the gold medalist against Yoka, which 94 00:06:12,399 --> 00:06:15,199 was in December, So this is how he lands this fight with Jared Anderson, 95 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,680 and we'll see if he can do anything better in a heavyweight fight with 96 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:23,040 Jared than he can with Yoka, or you know, if you go back 97 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,800 before that, he did lose to Kevin Lorena, the fighter that had knocked 98 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,839 down Daniel Duba three times before suffering a loss. You know, Lorraine is 99 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,040 a pretty solid guideline, not an elite fighter in my opinion. So we'll 100 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,160 see. But it's Jared Anderson. This is absolutely a fight for him to 101 00:06:36,199 --> 00:06:39,800 win and to move on. I can't make too much out of it. 102 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,279 I'm not going to minimize it. I'm not going to maximize it. It's 103 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,279 just another fight. But for Jared, as you mentioned, it's the first 104 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,240 fight after coming off all that, all those issues, and you know, 105 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:53,000 he took exception to the way that it was talked about on the ESPN by 106 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,600 the commentators, like they're not like what they're they're supposed to talk about it. 107 00:06:56,639 --> 00:06:58,560 That's what's in the news. They were part of their state of boxing 108 00:06:59,519 --> 00:07:00,720 and this is big news. And he's a guy, you know, he 109 00:07:00,759 --> 00:07:04,920 doesn't understand that in broadcasting or in journalism, we're not here to raw rofer 110 00:07:04,959 --> 00:07:06,959 you. We're happy when you do well, but we got to be real 111 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,399 until the truth. When shit happens and he got arrested and it was reported, 112 00:07:11,439 --> 00:07:15,720 oh yeah, I got free advice. Stop screwing up and stop getting 113 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,519 arrested. We'll just keep it well, just keep it real here on the 114 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,519 podcast. Then they don't say bad things about you if you stay out of 115 00:07:20,519 --> 00:07:25,000 trouble, So saying bad things are just speaking the truth or just saying well, 116 00:07:25,079 --> 00:07:28,480 right. But I mean there was some questioning exactly what I led in 117 00:07:28,519 --> 00:07:30,759 with you about decision making. How much is your head and your heart in 118 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,720 this? And that's all valid and that's all fair. But you know what, 119 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,800 if he comes out, he's spectacular and gets a knockout, then all 120 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:42,199 the other stuff goes away, at least temporarily for now. So that's obviously 121 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,000 the main event coming on Saturday night. And then there's a name that we're 122 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:50,360 interested in in fa A Jagba and another name former Italian olympian. Am I 123 00:07:50,439 --> 00:07:57,120 right with Guido Vianello U And if I'm not mistaken. Vannello has been training 124 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,959 at some points along the way with Jared Anderson and maybe even sparring some in 125 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,120 and around the same gym or whatever. So this is an intriguing code feature. 126 00:08:05,399 --> 00:08:09,079 Give me a little more on a Jagba vnell O top rank Saturday Night. 127 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,399 Yeah, a Jagua was a twenty sixteen olympian, as was a Guido 128 00:08:13,519 --> 00:08:16,759 Vnlo, although vnl didn't turn professional until twenty eighteen. But here's the point, 129 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,680 though, this is two heavyweights with top rank. This is sort of 130 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,079 like we've given you what you've given you. A Jagua's got the one loss 131 00:08:24,079 --> 00:08:28,600 to Frank Sanchez. A Vnllo's got the loss that was suffered that was really 132 00:08:28,639 --> 00:08:31,200 a in his The defeat, the one defeat he took was really unfortunate. 133 00:08:31,279 --> 00:08:33,559 He got stopped in the seventh round, but it was because of a cut, 134 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,519 not because he was getting beat up. But he's bounced back in one 135 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,320 two fights in a row since then and looked decent doing it. And a 136 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,159 Jagua, you know, has won a few fights, three or four fights 137 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:46,399 in a row, four fights in a row since he took the loss to 138 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:50,840 Frank Sanchez, which the loss of Frank Sanchez to me was a very forgivable 139 00:08:50,919 --> 00:08:52,320 kind of loss because it was a bad style that if he got out boxed 140 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,519 by superior boxer, and that was a fight that I didn't think he had 141 00:08:56,519 --> 00:08:58,320 a really, really big chance to win in the first place. So this 142 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,879 is now to talk about the crossroads. This is sort of it. This 143 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,960 is the line of demarcation for these guys. They're fighting another quality guy after 144 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,000 having suffered losses, and now it's a matter of can we take the next 145 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,679 step? Can it? Can v and Llo take the next step? Can 146 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,240 a jagua take the next step? Obviously a jaguas known for his big time 147 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,120 punching power, although Vnello is stop most of his opponents. Also, these 148 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,080 guys are not young fighters, but they're not old fighters. They're both you 149 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,279 know, you know, at a position in their careers where they should be 150 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:28,440 taking that stuff and should be doing something. They're both twenty nine years old. 151 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,360 They should be coming into their own and it's a very important fight and 152 00:09:31,399 --> 00:09:33,759 I will be I'll put to you like this. I actually said this to 153 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,399 one of the people at top right. I was talking about the show with 154 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,559 them. I like the co feature better than the main event, because I 155 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,159 don't really think much of Anderson versus Mary, to be quite honest with you, 156 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,960 we keep it real. But a Jagua versus Bingello I'm intrigued by. 157 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,320 I don't know who's gonna win that fight. I kind of have my thoughts 158 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,799 about how it's gonna go. We'll talk about that on the bet US Show 159 00:09:50,039 --> 00:09:56,360 when we handicap it on on all bet Us platforms, on Twitter, I 160 00:09:56,399 --> 00:10:03,559 have YouTube, yeah, anyway, so I'm intrigued by the Vnello Aejoga fight. 161 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,440 Not to mention, by the way I do happen to think, based 162 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,320 on having watched many of their fights, should be pretty decent fight. I 163 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,000 mean, these are big, strong guys with a lot of knockouts, heavyweights, 164 00:10:11,879 --> 00:10:16,159 heavyweights both with the amateur credentials. As you mentioned, Vanello an Italian 165 00:10:16,159 --> 00:10:20,399 Olympian and a Jagua was a Nigerian Olympian, and you know, let's see 166 00:10:20,399 --> 00:10:22,840 what happens. We'll see if they can take that next step. So that's 167 00:10:22,879 --> 00:10:26,200 the co feature, and like I said, I'm much more interested in that 168 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:31,799 match than I am and seeing Jared Anderson probably whitewash Ryley Mary in some fashion. 169 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,200 Anything else on the undercard strike you or shall we move on to the 170 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,879 de Zone show that'll be earlier in the day. Well, I'll just say 171 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,159 quickly, on the other undercard, there is a third fight that's part of 172 00:10:43,159 --> 00:10:46,080 the broadcast as far as I get, and that's the return of Robinson Cots 173 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,519 asal one hundred and thirty pound contender who has had some hard luck in his 174 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,120 biggest fights. Obviously, he's got the draw coming off a very close fight 175 00:10:52,159 --> 00:10:56,279 with Emmanuel never at Ta challenging him for his title back in November. So 176 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,639 he's in the opening fight. And then if you watch the ESP portion, 177 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,120 you'll see if you watch it, you'll see one of the very best prospects 178 00:11:03,159 --> 00:11:07,000 that top rank has and that's the Abdullah Mason, a young fighter is twelve, 179 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,840 I know, he's only twenty years old, absolutely tremendous town as a 180 00:11:09,919 --> 00:11:15,240 lightweight. This is just a continued evolution of his career. And also on 181 00:11:15,279 --> 00:11:18,879 that undercard you got the excellent featherweight contender Rubin Villa, who is on the 182 00:11:18,879 --> 00:11:22,360 doorstep of a title fight. Absolutely can fight anybody right now for a world 183 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,159 title. You know, has a loss in a title fight against an Anuel 184 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:31,720 never at Day By decision, but also owns a victory pre championship against Luis 185 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,200 Alberta Lopez was a big win for him. Rubin Vee is a legitimate contender 186 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,879 and he's a very good boxer. He's just sort of you know, pob. 187 00:11:37,919 --> 00:11:41,639 He's staying active, but he got to figure with top ranks heavy involvement 188 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,600 in the featherweight division. If he keeps it going, he's going to get 189 00:11:45,639 --> 00:11:48,919 a title shot against somebody one of these days, and he'll deserve it because 190 00:11:48,919 --> 00:11:52,720 is a very good fighter and he's got some credentials. All right. So 191 00:11:52,159 --> 00:11:56,440 also on this weekend, as we're in the preview mode, is the match 192 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:03,039 Room des own card Manchester, England. Jordan Ill junior lightweight contender. When 193 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:09,360 last we saw him and an impressive win a knockout of Michael Conlin that coming 194 00:12:09,399 --> 00:12:11,759 in December of last year. All right, so now he is back in 195 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,840 action headlining here. I would be less than honest if I told you that 196 00:12:16,919 --> 00:12:18,480 in the audience that I knew a lot about Zelfa Barrett. This is what 197 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,200 we have you here for, So tell me more about the match Room main 198 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,759 event coming in Manchester. I feel like on paper, this is a pretty 199 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,440 like fifty to fifty is kind of fight. I can see reasons to look 200 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,960 at both guys. You mentioned Jordan Gill, who's got a very good record. 201 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,879 He's twenty eight two to one with only nine knockouts. Not known as 202 00:12:37,879 --> 00:12:41,720 a big puncher, but he did stop Michael Commin, as you mentioned, 203 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,200 in his last fight December. That's his big win, I guess, if 204 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,960 you want to call it that. Before that, he got stopped in somewhat 205 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,000 surprising manner in the fourth round by Keiko Martinez, who was, you know, 206 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,679 a good fighter for a long time, one titles and two weight classes, 207 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,200 but was very sort of long in the tooth at that point. So 208 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,440 I'm not sure what to make of Jordan Gill. Maybe the Common fight he's 209 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,879 getting a little too much credit for because Commlin had already been knocked out of 210 00:13:01,879 --> 00:13:05,799 the ring by Lee Wood. So it's up to him to prove that that 211 00:13:05,879 --> 00:13:09,200 fight, I guess, was not like fluky if you well, that was 212 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,639 back in December. Jordan Gill's got a great story though. He spoke very 213 00:13:11,639 --> 00:13:16,559 eloquently after that victory against Common about being on the verge of suicide and getting 214 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:22,080 his shit together with himself and with his family and focusing better on his career 215 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,519 and really coming out the other end as they say, so props to him 216 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:30,720 for forgivness that very much, very likable figure. Can't help but root for 217 00:13:30,759 --> 00:13:33,879 a guy like that. And Zelfa Barrett also has a good record thirty and 218 00:13:33,919 --> 00:13:37,039 two with sixteen knockouts. Been a bit of good contender in the one hundred 219 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:43,080 and thirty pounds way class. His biggest fight was when he fought for the 220 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:48,159 vacant title. Remember when Joe Cordinia was the IBF champion and he got stripped 221 00:13:48,159 --> 00:13:52,159 because he had a hand injury and he couldn't go through with his mandatory against 222 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,679 rock him Off, and so they stripped him of the title and it became 223 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,000 rock him Off against Zelfa bart for the vacant title with the winner the fight 224 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,840 Cordeina. Upon his return. In that fight for the vacant title, it 225 00:14:01,879 --> 00:14:05,639 was it was a Rockhamov stopping Zelfa Beet in the ninth round. This was 226 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,960 on a card that took place in Abu Dabi was the undercard back in late 227 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,919 twenty twenty two where the main event was Dimitri Bibo against Zerdo Ramirez. But 228 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,159 this title fight on that undercard, Barrett did not have his best night. 229 00:14:16,159 --> 00:14:18,440 He has won two fights in a row Sincent, but he does not really 230 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,799 have what I would consider big wins, although he does actually have the common 231 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,879 opponent of Keiko Martinez where he has a decision victory against Kiko in twenty twenty 232 00:14:26,919 --> 00:14:31,159 one, and obviously Keiko has the win over Jordan Gill, so you know, 233 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,159 but that doesn't always mean a whole lot with Talckam boxing. So I 234 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,240 just think this is a very you know, it is a huge fight and 235 00:14:37,279 --> 00:14:41,159 obviously not, but it's a it's a it's I think nice matchmaking, should 236 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,840 be a fun fight, and we'll see. I mean, like I said, 237 00:14:43,919 --> 00:14:46,000 Jordan Gill very easy guy to root for it, not to have anything 238 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:50,919 against Zelfa Barrett, but we'll see. You know, it's a I think 239 00:14:50,919 --> 00:14:54,080 it should be competitive either way. That's that's to me, always the key 240 00:14:54,159 --> 00:14:58,200 and so h you know, I'll check it out on his own and again 241 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,679 we will make mention of that fight on the bet US show handicap it a 242 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:07,200 little bit more that in the afternoon Saturday afternoon Saturday night prime time in Manchester 243 00:15:07,279 --> 00:15:09,559 or anything else of note on that quarter. Shall we move on ninety one 244 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,919 to the news, which includes big news for Matchroom. By the way, 245 00:15:13,919 --> 00:15:18,159 whenever we're ready to move on, I mean, there's a women's one hundred 246 00:15:18,159 --> 00:15:22,720 and twenty two pounds unification fight on that car between Elie Scotti and so Glean 247 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,120 le Fay. Can't really speak too much on that. Doesn't really do much 248 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:26,720 for me, to be quite honest. You know, I've got a couple 249 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:31,440 of the nice prospects that mattrom has been building up, the Jimmy Sayins and 250 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,480 William Krola, the brother of the former titlder Anthony Krola. But to me 251 00:15:35,559 --> 00:15:39,559 anyway, the attraction of this particular cart anyway is certainly the main event. 252 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,559 With Gilan Barrett speaking of Matchroom, Oh as we go to the news, 253 00:15:43,559 --> 00:15:48,000 oh, jeron Boots in us like the price is right, come on down, 254 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,799 new multi fight deal with Matchroom Boxing, all right, I defer to 255 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,759 you. Did you see this coming? I mean, what about this marriage? 256 00:15:56,759 --> 00:16:00,960 Did you see this coming? That it was going to be Matchroom doesn't 257 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,399 shock me, doesn't shock me at all, to be quite honest, because 258 00:16:03,399 --> 00:16:07,360 the fact of the matter is Boots Nis has, of all the things that 259 00:16:07,399 --> 00:16:10,240 he has going for him, the one thing he didn't have going for him 260 00:16:10,279 --> 00:16:12,639 was a real promoter that would really get behind him, that would erase his 261 00:16:12,679 --> 00:16:15,679 profile, that would get him the right fights, that would keep him busy, 262 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,679 and that would scream his name from the rooftops. Eddie Hearn's going to 263 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,159 do all that. Say whatever you want about Eddie Hurt and Eddie Earn is 264 00:16:22,159 --> 00:16:26,000 a very good promoter and he knows no interest because all he does is he 265 00:16:26,039 --> 00:16:27,759 opens his mouth on five thousand youths of interviews and all of a sudden, 266 00:16:27,799 --> 00:16:30,960 he's got boots is fighting Crawford, He's got boots fighting this guy's but boots 267 00:16:32,039 --> 00:16:37,000 fighting that guyots fighting everybody. Yes, exactly, yeah, exactly. So 268 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:41,039 you know the problem with Ennis is he had been signed to Showtime and he 269 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,559 was being placed on PBC cards, So PBC didn't have any kind of vested 270 00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:45,600 interest in him. So I mean, they put him on, but they 271 00:16:45,639 --> 00:16:48,600 weren't going out of their way to help build them up or develop them or 272 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,240 publicize them or anything like that. And I'm not blaming them. That wasn't 273 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,759 their job. They weren't his promoter. TGB was not his promoter. He 274 00:16:55,919 --> 00:17:00,240 was with now Boxing Promotions, which was the company of the late long time 275 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,679 manager before he became a porter of Cameron Duncan, And it was not a 276 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,599 real promotion company. Yes it was a company on paper, but they never 277 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:11,359 did their own events. They never really did one damn thing to help raise 278 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,400 the profile of Jaron and Boots Ennis. They were a glorified booking agent. 279 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,039 Basically, they got a deal with Showtime, they put him on the PBC 280 00:17:18,039 --> 00:17:22,759 cards, and they collected their check. And so it was not a conducive 281 00:17:22,799 --> 00:17:27,720 situation to get attention and build a profile and build a box office and do 282 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:33,400 things help raise up your fighter's position within the sport. We all know, 283 00:17:33,519 --> 00:17:37,400 those of us who followed it closely know what an extreme talent Boots Ennis is, 284 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,720 but he still never really sold out a big event. He still never 285 00:17:41,759 --> 00:17:44,720 had a truly big time fight. Not his fault, but he got his 286 00:17:44,839 --> 00:17:48,559 title because Crawford was stripped because he didn't do the mandatory because he was contractually 287 00:17:48,599 --> 00:17:52,079 obligated to the rematch with Erol Spence, so he ended up being stripped. 288 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,480 That fight with Spence didn't happened because the time frame expired, but that was 289 00:17:56,519 --> 00:17:57,799 after he had been tripped to the pedal. I don't think he was going 290 00:17:57,839 --> 00:18:00,559 to fight Boots anyway, because it was not the kind of money fight that 291 00:18:00,599 --> 00:18:04,519 he has in his mind after making the kind of money and the big event 292 00:18:04,559 --> 00:18:08,640 that he made against Errol Spence. So Boots inherited the title and now it's 293 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,960 up to Eddie Hearn to do what these other guys were not able to do 294 00:18:12,079 --> 00:18:15,480 is put it in the right position. It's going to hopefully put him in 295 00:18:15,519 --> 00:18:18,400 Philadelphia, his hometown, maybe Atlantic City, which is right nearby. Supposed 296 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,599 to be back in the summer. My sources time, we were talking about 297 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,240 July. He has a mandatory that's due next Now, what's interesting about the 298 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,039 mandatory. His mandatory is against Cody Crowley, who's a very exciting fighter, 299 00:18:29,319 --> 00:18:33,200 great chin been in some very good rough battles. They had made a deal 300 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,039 and they notified the IBF. This is when PBSTE was still involved, and 301 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,000 the IBF canceled the purspit saying okay, the two sides claim they have a 302 00:18:40,039 --> 00:18:42,799 deal. Now that he's no longer in that position, it remains to be 303 00:18:42,839 --> 00:18:47,039 seen if they're going to still honor that agreement or maybe it will have to 304 00:18:47,039 --> 00:18:49,359 head back to a PERSPID. We'll see how that goes over the next few 305 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,559 weeks, maybe Cody will not take the fight. I was always kind of 306 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:56,839 skeptical that Crowley would take it because he was offered six hundred thousand last fall, 307 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,440 turned it down, and the new deal that he was offered was less 308 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,720 than that because there's less money there now, because there's no more showtime. 309 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,200 You know, I was not an economics major in college, but that doesn't 310 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,599 compute that you would do the fight a few months after you turn down six 311 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,920 hundred grand for less money. I agree with you and listen, no offense. 312 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,400 But Cody didn't go to college, So there you go. So I'm 313 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:19,519 not sure what the status of that, if that will be the case, 314 00:19:19,559 --> 00:19:22,680 but it seems like it's going to be a mandatory next which is reasonable, 315 00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:26,400 and then hopefully Eddie can get them some bigger fights. Obviously, if you 316 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,839 sign with mattrom and you look at their talent, their roster of talent, 317 00:19:30,519 --> 00:19:34,599 they're not blessed with deep welterweight talent. Nobody. Can we cut to the 318 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,240 chase? Can can we? Can we cut to the chase? Can we 319 00:19:38,319 --> 00:19:44,720 get a boots in us? Terrence Crawford undisputed World welterweight title fight like late 320 00:19:44,759 --> 00:19:47,519 this year. Why can't we have good things? Why can't we have a 321 00:19:47,559 --> 00:19:49,079 good thing? Is going to pay for that? That's not a big giant 322 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:53,000 fight. If Terrence Crawford is involved, it's big. I want to say 323 00:19:53,079 --> 00:19:56,200 giant, but it's big. But the point is that Crawford wants a certain 324 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,720 amount of money that doesn't exist for a boots in a fight. So on 325 00:20:00,839 --> 00:20:06,559 the stop Crawford. Wait, Crawford wants big money for anything and everything, 326 00:20:06,599 --> 00:20:11,119 and he's fighting, like Hayley's comment, once every year, So listen to 327 00:20:11,319 --> 00:20:15,680 who is the big fight? Ben? If it's never say never about Crawford. 328 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:21,160 But it seems highly unlikely. Number one, I believe that Crawford probably 329 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,039 will go up to one hundred and fifty four pounds my opinion, he may 330 00:20:25,079 --> 00:20:26,920 stay at well to eight. But if he does, I doubt he's fighting, 331 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:33,039 and it's certainly not immediately the quote unquote fight that Eddie Hearn can make. 332 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,160 Well. The caveat to the Crawford fight is if somehow he gets the 333 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,400 Saudis involved and they want to decide to pay a big money, which is 334 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,319 possible, but I still don't think that's happening. The big fight if you 335 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:51,440 look at who he already promotes is Connor Ben. Because Connor Ben is licensed 336 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,400 in America, he still can't fight in the UK because the yukond folks and 337 00:20:55,440 --> 00:21:00,960 the BBFC won their appeal. So he can bring Ben to the United States, 338 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,640 put Ennis on against him. It would do pay per view business in 339 00:21:03,759 --> 00:21:07,359 the UK and they would have whatever they can drum up here on his own 340 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,200 in America and they can make again, is it a gargantuan mega fight? 341 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,759 But for what's out there, that's a pretty substantial fight for Boots Ennis. 342 00:21:15,759 --> 00:21:18,079 Okay, of course something favors to win. So here's just one more adenum 343 00:21:18,079 --> 00:21:22,640 to this and then we're gonna move on. Obviously, Terrence Crawford has fought 344 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,680 no one so far this year, to my knowledge, doesn't have a fight 345 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,720 with anybody this year. Maybe he is going to move up to one fifty 346 00:21:27,759 --> 00:21:33,519 four, but to me, this is wasting time and it seems like that 347 00:21:33,559 --> 00:21:37,519 would be that's a very compelling fight him against Jeron Ennis. However it gets 348 00:21:37,519 --> 00:21:42,799 made Sauni Arabia, United States or Pluto, why can't we Sam, I'm 349 00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:45,160 sure Boots would take the fight. This is not about that. This is 350 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:51,359 about Crawford being no I might even listen. Anybody that thinks Crawford is ducking 351 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,440 Ennis is ridiculous because Crawford is not ducking anybody. But Crawford has a certain 352 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,119 amount of money he wants to make and he's his prerogative and I'm okay with 353 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,440 that. If they can make the fight, fine, I just don't think 354 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,839 it's going to happen. There's not Listen. You and I are boxing doors. 355 00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:06,759 We know Ennis. The public at large doesn't know Ennis. It's now 356 00:22:06,839 --> 00:22:10,400 Eddie Herne's job to make that happen, and hopefully he can do that over 357 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,759 the next couple of fights because the contract on Fold is only a three fight 358 00:22:12,839 --> 00:22:15,400 deal, so he's got his work cutoff for him now. Just to back 359 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,920 up for a quick second, there were negotiations with PBC, but they they 360 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,839 were sideways on those conversations for what I'm told, and they were not able 361 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,599 to come to an agreement and they went their separate ways. Top rank had 362 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:32,240 inquired the price point that they were interested on the boots end, who's been 363 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,880 making seven figures for fights. They just felt like that was not realistic based 364 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,880 on where he is right now. So no harm, no foul. They 365 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,559 weren't going to pursue that, and Golden Boy did not even pursue him at 366 00:22:41,599 --> 00:22:45,000 all from what I am told. So it really came down to either doing 367 00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:48,400 a deal with PBC, who had been putting him on their shows for the 368 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,960 last while anyway, and now just making that relationship official with TGB Promotions and 369 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,039 PBC, or going with matrim and Eddie. Listen, Eddie knows how to 370 00:22:56,039 --> 00:22:59,160 get the guys to sign, and Eddie does a hell of a job to 371 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:00,839 build these guys up, and that's what he needs and he's going to get 372 00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:06,759 it big time, all right. Fair enough on that you mentioned about a 373 00:23:06,759 --> 00:23:10,880 promoter passing away, Bootseniss promoter passing away, and this has also happened again 374 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,720 now with Gary Shaw, who I'm a little familiar with, but tell me 375 00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:18,279 more. He has died recently at the age of seventy nine since last you 376 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,599 and I talked. Give me more on this. Well, I knew Gary 377 00:23:22,599 --> 00:23:26,720 Shaw very very well for many many years. Covered the bulk of his promotion 378 00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:30,079 career. He started off in boxing. He was a commissioner on the boxing 379 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:36,240 board in New Jersey, broke out into promoting later on. When I first 380 00:23:36,319 --> 00:23:40,359 met Gary goes back to the early like two thousand or so when I first 381 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:45,640 started. The great promoter Dan Duva had died and his widow, Kathy Duva, 382 00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:48,799 was left with children and a business to run and was also going to 383 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,319 law school, and you know, she needed help at the company, and 384 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,079 she hired Gary Shaw to basically run the day to day operations of main events, 385 00:23:56,079 --> 00:24:00,519 which at the time was still a massive boxing powerhouse. They were the 386 00:24:00,519 --> 00:24:03,599 promoter of Lennox Lewis, they were the promoter of Arturo Gatti, Fernando Vargas. 387 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,920 They had tons of champions, tons of great fighters, and they were 388 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,759 very busy. They were very closely aligned for a long period of time with 389 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,240 HBO, and Gary came in to sort of help run the show, and 390 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,160 eventually that ran its course and he ended up going his own way and opening 391 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,119 his company, Gary Shaw Productions, and had a ton of I mean, 392 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,880 i'll just list off some fighters he worked, but he put on a ton 393 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,839 of shows on both HBO and Showtime. He promoted at various stages, Lennox 394 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,559 Lewis, Diego Correalis, including carralscastel One as the co promoter, Shane Mosley, 395 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:40,440 Winky Wright, and Onnido, don Air Gaddi, Fernando Vargas, Vernon 396 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:45,119 Forrest, Jeff Lacy, Vic Darcinian, Chad Dawson, and tons of other 397 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,079 guys. He was the promoter of record for Lewis versus Tyson, which was 398 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,359 the biggest fight in boxing at that time, broke all the records. He 399 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,640 promoted a couple of Tyson fights at the end of Mike's career. I mean 400 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,200 he really worked with everybody. He was along with Frank Larren and the late 401 00:24:59,559 --> 00:25:03,079 Hall of Fame Showtime Boxing executive Jay Larkin, the three of them were the 402 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,960 creators of Showbox. That was partly his responsibility. If those who go back 403 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,960 this far know that in the early two thousands when Showbox first debuted, it 404 00:25:12,079 --> 00:25:15,359 was a late afternoon show, four o'clock Star Time in the US, and 405 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,200 what they were doing is was every two weeks they would do a show in 406 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,640 the UK with Frank Lauren, which were like his primetime UK shows, which 407 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,559 is why we saw the early fights of Ricky Hatten and Tyson Fury and fighters 408 00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:30,240 like that. And then Gary Shaw would promote the cards in the United States 409 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,880 and they would do shows like in Atlantic City, and that's I remember that. 410 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,240 I remember they became a prime you know, then became a late night 411 00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:40,240 show on Friday nights at an event. Gary was very involved with that. 412 00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:44,599 And even though I don't cover mixed martial arts, Gary was out of boxing 413 00:25:44,599 --> 00:25:48,839 for a little while and was very involved with elite XC, the promoter of 414 00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:53,119 the MMA promotion, brought women's promotion, women's MMA into the fold, did 415 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,160 the first network shows of MMA with elite XC. You know, was the 416 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,480 promoter for Kimbo Slice, who was a like a cult legend in MMA. 417 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,759 You know, he had a lot to do with that, with the growth 418 00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:07,000 of Nix marsh Arts in some respects, but boxing was his main thing. 419 00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:11,799 Like I said, I knew Gary for many many years, always enjoyed his 420 00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:14,920 company. Like anybody you deal with for a long time in boxing, you're 421 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,240 gonna have your scrapes. As I joke around in a piece I wrote, 422 00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:22,480 you know, always got along with Gary, except for that one time where 423 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,319 he tried to get me fired from ESPN and threaten to assume me. And 424 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,160 to be quite honest, I said that to somebody. I swear to God, 425 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,559 I know that that happened, but I don't remember what had him so 426 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,880 pissed off. Made those stress me. But if you can put that aside, 427 00:26:34,279 --> 00:26:38,079 Like I said, we joked about that later on in years. We 428 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,519 would text each other talk to each other. He kind of got out of 429 00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:45,359 boxing. Remember he had at one point was selling his company to Rock Nation 430 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,279 when they were involved in boxing, and he was going to promote their shows, 431 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,799 and that deal fell apart and they basically stopped the deal. It never 432 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,039 went through, and shortly after that he pretty much kind of got out of 433 00:26:56,039 --> 00:27:00,000 boxing, and in terms of a full time basis around i'll say two thousand 434 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,920 fifteen twenty sixteen, he and I still kept in touch with him. He 435 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,039 got back involved to some degree because he was close to a lot of people 436 00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:11,400 in the sport and GILBERTA. Mendoza from the WBA was looking for some assistance. 437 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,519 He basically hired Gary to be his chief of staff. He was helping 438 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,759 the WBA go through some different issues and he was involved with that for quite 439 00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:22,880 a while. But then unfortunately late last year, and I didn't know this 440 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,200 at the time and now know why, I hadn't heard from him in a 441 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,759 while, even though I had reached out to him, that he had a 442 00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:30,559 heart attack or some kind of heart problem. Well he never sort of really 443 00:27:30,599 --> 00:27:33,319 recovered from that, and there was the heart failure of the heart that caused 444 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:40,559 his passing that took place. And you know, if his legacy is you 445 00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:45,039 were you were a hell of a promoter. People enjoyed your company. You 446 00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:48,960 put on a lot of great fights, and you were fun to be running 447 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,119 for me anyway, made covering boxing more fun because he had a bigger than 448 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,839 life sort of personality. Like that's a pretty good way to be remembered. 449 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,440 So you know, I like, and you're a great history and to go 450 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,599 over all of that, because most people don't know all of that, I 451 00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:06,039 will say that I was in and around the Winkie right Jeff Lacy fights that 452 00:28:06,079 --> 00:28:08,319 he was promoting, like late nineties, early two thousands at times in Tampa, 453 00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:12,799 etc. So I remember him, and I appreciate you educating me more 454 00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:15,599 and catching me up more on how big a deal he was. So you 455 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,440 got to remember this in peace to him and thoughts and prayers to his family. 456 00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:22,640 Yep. He had most of the shows on Showtime for a long period 457 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,119 of time. They were doing big time title fights yep. And he was 458 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,039 the promoter of virtually every one of those shows for a long time, as 459 00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:33,000 well as the Showbox events. All Right, couple more news items and then 460 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,599 we're going to get to some excellent nostalgia Anthony Joshua and Oscar de la Hoya 461 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,240 Pernell Whitaker nostalgia still to come. So, speaking of premier boxing champions, 462 00:28:40,279 --> 00:28:45,319 they did make it official in the Canelo Mangia undercard for May fourth. Give 463 00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:48,640 me a little more real quick, Yeah, they announced the undercard fights. 464 00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:53,240 I can't say they're totally shocking to me. One fight that's now set to 465 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,559 be the co feature is the WBC's interim welterweight title holder, Mario Barrios. 466 00:28:57,599 --> 00:29:02,119 She's always in good fights. He's kind of grown on me over the years. 467 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,119 I always never really thought a whole lot of him was always annoyed. 468 00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:07,880 Not that it was his fault that when he won the WBA Secondary ten at 469 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,920 one forty, I always felt that he got a gift. But he's shown 470 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,440 himself to be, you know, a quality fighter, a good dude. 471 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,559 But he's fighting Fabian Madonna, who was unfortunately not Mark was Madonna. Marks 472 00:29:18,599 --> 00:29:22,039 Madonna is his brother. Baby Madonna has never even fought in a in a 473 00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:26,599 twelve round fight. Just yet, he's not very accomplished. You know, 474 00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:30,440 I have no real problem with the fight. It is a little questionable for 475 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,200 me that this is the co feature on such a big time fight, but 476 00:29:33,319 --> 00:29:37,799 be that as a baris always is a good watch, and the next fight 477 00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:40,200 down the card, which is when I had previously reported on this one, 478 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:41,240 did not come as a surprising me. All. I knew this fight was 479 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:45,119 happening, that was going to be on the show, and that is Brandon 480 00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:48,799 Figureo coming off of about a year or fourteen month playoff. He'll be fighting 481 00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:52,000 Jesse Magdaleno in defense of his WBC Interim featherweight title. That should be a 482 00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:55,559 pretty good fight. I mean, Brandon figure Out always brings it. His 483 00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:57,319 only loss was in a hell of a fight that was razor close could have 484 00:29:57,359 --> 00:30:00,960 gone either way when he went to unify at one twenty two against Stephen Fulton. 485 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,039 Magdaleno is a quality fighter. You know, hasn't been super active, 486 00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:08,599 but he doesn't have uh you know, he's got a good resume. Not 487 00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:11,920 not a guy that's been uh you know, badly beaten or anything like that. 488 00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:15,000 I mean still maybe not in his prime necessarily, but still a pretty 489 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,839 solid fighter. He's only got the two losses. He had the ray Ford 490 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,799 decision, which when you look back at Itt ray Ford obviously went on to 491 00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:26,359 win the title in a tremendous battle Junior Featherway title by the upstart then undefeated 492 00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:30,359 uh Isaac Dogday by a stoppage in the eleventh round and what was a very 493 00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:36,200 good and close fight. And so that's Magdaleno and he's won some he's won 494 00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:37,960 Before the raymond Ford fight, he had won a bunch of fights. Arow, 495 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,720 I just hadn't been that active, but style wise anyway, I feel 496 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,599 like figure Over versus Magdaleno should produce a pretty fun fight and then the opening 497 00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:48,279 fight. Thank god that he's back in the ring. My man Amanta stanionis 498 00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:53,480 the WBA regular Wealth Rush whose career was turned sideways by his own appendecamy and 499 00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:57,839 the medical ailments of one Virgil Ortiz Junior. Their fight was sort of snake 500 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:03,240 bit, canceled, postponed twice before that. He'll be getting back in the 501 00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:04,920 ring. It'll be about a month shy of a two year layoff for him. 502 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:11,839 He's defending that belt against Gabriel Mayastri, who's coming off the devastating blowout 503 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,920 against Trey von Marshall. That was on the one of the Showkim cards that 504 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,839 was actually I went to here in the Virginia area. What a terrible card 505 00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:22,880 that was. But he did pull the upset on that show and it was 506 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,839 a big win for him. Now, he's an older fighter. He's like 507 00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:30,400 thirty seven, two times Olympian for Venezuela, but he has been so inactive. 508 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,160 He's thirty seven years old. He's only got seven professional fights since turning 509 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,359 pro in twenty nineteen. Unfortunately, he's probably best remembered for being at the 510 00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:44,319 at the at the vortex of that crazy decision where he got a gift decision 511 00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:48,519 against Michael Fox that actually had the ABC about to shut down the WBA. 512 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,359 So that's why many people believe the fix was in on that flat that night, 513 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,279 because a member of his corner was related to somebody with the WBA. 514 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,359 You had it was a scandal. Somebody else associated with the WBA was involved 515 00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:06,119 as one of the judges, and he got an absolute joke decision. So, 516 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,240 yes, we do remember that name. So he's thet I don't blame 517 00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:10,319 the fighter for that, but that's the fighter we're talking about. So but 518 00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:14,920 his wins always, even though he's been very inactive. You know, he 519 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,720 did knock out Marshall, was undefeated a lot of people out of hioas from 520 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,960 me Inja's knock out. He just obliterated him. And before that he finished 521 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,279 off the the remnants of unfortunately a once top level fighter, and Devin Alexander 522 00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:27,920 stopped him in the third round. So that's the opening fight and I'm glad 523 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,839 to see Staniona's back in action. He's a very good fighter and Olympian, 524 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,759 a young guy still and uh, hopefully he can get his career kickstarted. 525 00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:37,720 So that's your undercard, Figuoa now Galno Barrios Madonna and the co feature and 526 00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:42,920 Standiona's mastery in the opener, and uh and that's your pay per view. 527 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,200 Yeah, not bad for the Canelo Mongia pay per view on May four. 528 00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:51,200 And one other quick news item as well before we get to the nostalgia, 529 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,279 and that is Chako la Tito is going to be back in the ring. 530 00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:57,079 We love Chako la Tito for all the action fights and the knockouts, and 531 00:32:57,079 --> 00:32:59,720 he's going to be back. When what are we looking at? Yeah, 532 00:32:59,759 --> 00:33:02,759 they just announced that on Thursday. There was a press conference in Monoguin, 533 00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:07,279 Nicaragua, which is where he's from. He's a Nicaraguan legend and a hero. 534 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,920 Former pound for pound King one World Championships at one hundred and five one 535 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,880 hundred eight, one hundred and twelve hundred and fifteen four division champion, broke 536 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:20,119 the record of the three division champions by his legendary countryman and mentor, Alexis 537 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,559 Argueo, who actually was Chuck with Tito's trainer early in his career and sort 538 00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:28,119 of discovered him in the amateurs in any of them. He's returning July twelfth 539 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,240 as a junior bantamweight, still in that weight class. I think that I 540 00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:34,160 was talking to Tatiko Zabala, who is the promoter of the card, and 541 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,799 he told me that the weight will be junior bandam weight, but it could 542 00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:38,079 be plus, it could be a pound or two over, that could be 543 00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:42,559 one sixteen one to seventy, but basically a junior bandamweight fight opponent TBA. 544 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,160 He said, they're talking to four or five different possible opponents and it's going 545 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,119 to be a beautiful thing to have Roman Gonzalez back in action because he is 546 00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:52,599 one of the most fun fighters you could ever hope to watch in the sport. 547 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:53,799 He's been off now for quite a while. He hasn't thought since he 548 00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:59,240 had a majority decision loss in his trilogy fight against one Francisco Estrada, which 549 00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:04,359 was in December of twenty twenty two. So he's coming off that layoff and 550 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,440 we'll see if he can, you know, recapture some glory. He wants 551 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,159 to go for a title in another weight class, so if he can put 552 00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:12,679 this win under his belt, you know, it's not out of the realm 553 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,239 that he can get back in the ring as a bandon wait and maybe go 554 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,679 for a belt in that weight division. He's already a Hall of Famer. 555 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,400 Obviously, he was a pound for pound number one, and if you ask 556 00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:24,199 me, in the entire history of when men have put gloves on their hands 557 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:30,239 and fought, he is probably in the top two, three, four of 558 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,039 the littlest guys you know, saye like from flyweight down. Just a phenomenal, 559 00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:40,039 phenomenal fighter with a legendary career, great history, great fights, great 560 00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:45,400 accomplishments, beat a lot of top guys, and an absolute personally speaking, 561 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:50,679 having had the opportunity to cover most of his American fights, an absolute fucking 562 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,800 joy to cover and to be around him and his team. Just a beautiful 563 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:59,960 human being, So that leaves nostalgia. It was eight years ago, earlier 564 00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:04,960 this week, on Tuesday, April nine, twenty sixteen, that Anthony Joshua 565 00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:08,679 became heavyweight champ, at least partially one of the belts of the unified titles 566 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:15,000 that he had, winning it over Charles Martin obviously has gone on to be 567 00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:20,800 a two time unified heavyweight champ. So Dan Rayphaiel, what do we reminisce 568 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,440 about here with Anthony Joshua, who's still very relevant obviously in the present day. 569 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,000 Yeah, still one of the biggest heavyweights and biggest heavyweight names, if 570 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,000 not the biggest in the sport. You know, him and Fury obviously are 571 00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:35,639 the two biggest names you know at that time. Remember Joshua, you know, 572 00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:38,880 he was like fifteen sixteen and oero at that time, he was coming 573 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,559 off you know, he had won the Olympic gold medal. He was becoming 574 00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:46,400 a major star in the UK. He had defeated Dylan White in his previous 575 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:51,239 fight by seventh round knockout. That was to avenge an amateur loss. And 576 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,039 now it was sort of like okay, what's next. Now, remember you 577 00:35:53,159 --> 00:35:58,360 go back to that period of time, you had a scenario where Tyson Fury 578 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:05,800 had defeated Ladimir Klitschko to win various belts. He ended up quickly vacating the 579 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,320 IBF title because he had a mandatory that was due against a fighter named Zar 580 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:13,079 Glaskov. And obviously he didn't take that because you know, the rematch between 581 00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:16,840 him and Clitchkow never came to pass, obviously, but at the time he 582 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,079 owed him a contractual rematch, so there was no way that he could hold 583 00:36:21,079 --> 00:36:27,559 on to that title. And then obviously, you know, hold on to 584 00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:31,800 the title and also face the mandatory. So and obviously fighting Glasgow, who 585 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:36,280 was an undefeated guy but really not well known, was not even close to 586 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,320 the same ballpark in terms of the money, So the finle became vacant. 587 00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:44,760 And so Charles Martin and Zar Glaskov, who were the top leading contenders in 588 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,800 the ib OF ratings, they fought each other in a boxing event that I 589 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,519 was actually at at the bar Play Center in Brooklyn. And if you remember, 590 00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:53,280 Charles Martin was considered like a good up and coming fighter at the time. 591 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:59,239 In Glasgow again was also undefeated and the fight was going on, and 592 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,559 like literally TJ when I tell you, nothing happened, nothing happened. And 593 00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:07,920 then suddenly, in the third round zar Glasgow, without getting punched, without 594 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,480 getting hit, with nothing of any consequence happening, he literally just fell to 595 00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:15,119 the canvas. He had blown out his knee. He could not continue. 596 00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:20,119 And so therefore, without throwing a real punch and landing a real punch, 597 00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:24,239 he was you know, he lost the fight by a TKO. And suddenly 598 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:29,559 Charles Martin, with having done zero, is now the IBF champion. And 599 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,880 at that point, you know, they're looking around and they're like, okay, 600 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,159 what can we do for our next defense? And the Joshua people were 601 00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:40,400 interested in and the Martin people were interested And I remember very distinctly before the 602 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:45,719 fight was done. You know, it's easy to look back right now and 603 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,519 say, oh, you know, Joshua destroyed Charles Marty, blew him out 604 00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:51,400 in two rounds, beat the living crap out of him, dropped him twice, 605 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,639 big right hands, and just obliterated him. Well, when I tell 606 00:37:53,679 --> 00:37:57,679 you that, going into that fight, there was a lot of legitimate concern 607 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,000 on the camp of Joshua, is it too soon for him? To be 608 00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:04,360 in that kind of a fight. Remember, like I said, he only 609 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,719 had you know, fifteen fights or so, and you know, he hadn't 610 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,679 fought anybody obviously, other than Dylan White, who at the time was not 611 00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:14,960 He wasn't knowing what he would become as a professional. I can have a 612 00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:20,679 very distinct memory of Eddie Hearn calling me on the phone shortly before they made 613 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,599 the deal to fight the fight for the title against Charles Martin, and Eddie 614 00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:29,280 asking my opinion, you know, what do you think? I said, 615 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:30,960 Hey, I can't tell you what to do. That's your call. I'm 616 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,320 just a reporter in this situation. But my opinion is if it's me, 617 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,639 I'm like, you're getting an opportunity to fight for the heavyweight title against the 618 00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:42,880 guy who's gonna come to your you know, to your guys town. I 619 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,760 don't know how you turn it down, right. That was the tenor of 620 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,119 the I mean, the conversation lasted a lot longer than that, but that 621 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,840 was the upshot. And I said, you know, you know, let 622 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,440 me know what happens. I wanted to write about it, whatever happens. 623 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:57,639 And you know, shortly thereafter they made the match and Charles Martin went to 624 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,199 London, fought at the O two Arena, made a huge payday around four 625 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,480 to four and a half million dollars or something like that for that fight, 626 00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:07,880 and you know, lost his title. It was one of the shortest heavyweight 627 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,320 title reigns in the history of boxing. He had won the title against Glasgow 628 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:15,000 in January of twenty sixteen. He lost the title in April of twenty sixteen, 629 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,280 as we're talking about on the anniversary. But what a great sport to 630 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,199 Charles Martin where he didn't do anything to win the title the first place. 631 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:23,440 The other guy falls over and hurts his knee and you ended up getting a 632 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,119 four or five million dollar pay day. I mean, that's boxing, I 633 00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:31,800 mean. And Anthony Joshua obviously parlayed that into what has become a tremendous professional 634 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:37,679 crew because besides that victory that he that he scored against Charles Martin to win 635 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,960 the IBF title that had been vacated by Tyson Fury, you know, he 636 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,119 obviously went on and had a whole series of humongous fights through the years. 637 00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:47,199 I mean, besides that, doubt, you know, he had a couple 638 00:39:47,199 --> 00:39:50,920 of like fights that were you know, in the regular arenas, like he 639 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,000 had defended against Dominic Brazil, who was an undefeated fighter at the time in 640 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,039 the United States Olympian. He had, you know, a couple other fights 641 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,400 between Brazil and Eric Molina, and then came, of course the massive one 642 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,920 against Glitchkow where they put you know, ninety or whatever it was eighty some 643 00:40:06,039 --> 00:40:07,920 thousand in Wembley Stadium. I was at that fight, yeah, and then 644 00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:12,519 started fighting regular times. He was fighting in like the big stadium in Kardiff 645 00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:15,519 eighty thousand or whatever, seventy five thousand against Joseph Parker, similar kind of 646 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:22,559 attendance Wembley Stadium for a pavecan. So he went from being like a novice 647 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:27,639 winning an Olympic gold medal to winning the title, to then fighting Klitchko and 648 00:40:27,679 --> 00:40:30,760 all these other big, huge heavyweight events, you know, in just a 649 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,039 span of I don't know whatever, it was about six or seven years or 650 00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:36,599 so, and that was the start of the title run. And you know, 651 00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:39,800 we know that how the history of of Anthony Joshus unfolded since then. 652 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,599 But at the time I was like a big deal for him to get the 653 00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:46,360 shot at that formidable you know, or that formative stage, I should say 654 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,960 of his pro career live on Showtime in the United States, obviously big deal 655 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,000 over in the UK as well, and that was when he was fighting you 656 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,840 know, Eddie Hern was doing a lot of business with Showtime and it was 657 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,639 a great It was a great performance because Charles Martin has shown himself to be 658 00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:02,519 pretty solid and he's lost here and there, but he's generally competed well even 659 00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:06,920 when he's lost. But Joshua ran through him. Like I am giving Dan 660 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,840 Rayfield thirteen percent credit for helping with the matchmaking and the go ahead of the 661 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:14,480 Anthony Joshua fight. For just gave my opinion, Sha, I'm giving you 662 00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:21,679 that credit, Okay. So Anthony Joshua was heavyweight title. Victory's reign began 663 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,679 earlier this week, eight years ago. Now we go all the way back. 664 00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:30,079 I remember this fight and I don't want to accept it was twenty seven 665 00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:34,360 years ago. As we released the podcast on Friday, April twelfth, nineteen 666 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:39,599 ninety seven, Oscar de la Hoya defeats Parnell Whittaker and wins the WBC welterweight 667 00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:45,199 title. Again. I'm trying not to accept my age right now, and 668 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,280 you're my contemporary, you're the same age that was twenty seven years ago. 669 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,440 I actually that was one of those deals where I'm counting the years TJ. 670 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:57,280 And I find myself doing this often these days, and I'm doing our little 671 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,000 rundown that I send you for what we're going to discuss on the podcast, 672 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:01,639 and I was doing the years, and I was like, twenty seven. 673 00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:05,159 I seventeen. I'm like counting, right, seventeen, It's got to be 674 00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:07,840 seventeen, right, No, twenty seven years ago? Yes, Yeah, 675 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,360 that was a little wild. So that was a big win. I mean, 676 00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:14,480 in the end, a lot of people felt like Parnel Whitaker was the 677 00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:16,599 rightful winner and that Oscar got a kind of a gift. I totally disagree 678 00:42:16,599 --> 00:42:20,559 with that. I thought Oscar Delight won the fight. Colonel Whitaker was a 679 00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:22,400 great fighter, a Hall of Fame first ballot guy, a long time conference 680 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,719 pounting. Not nothing but love for Parnel Whittaker. But he didn't win that 681 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,800 fight. He spent too much of that fight clowning around and not doing a 682 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,960 lot, you know, posing and fainting and not throwing punches, certainly, 683 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:37,519 not landing punches, certainly not doing anything to hurt Oscar del who definitely did 684 00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:39,719 more in my opinion in that fight to you know, gain what was a 685 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,280 close decision. I mean, it wasn't like he routed him, but it 686 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,480 was a you know, the judges saw it one sixteen to one ten on 687 00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:49,480 two cards, one to fifteen to one to eleven on the third card. 688 00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:52,639 You know, Parnell had been a long time champion in that weight, last 689 00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:54,840 seed won titles, and you know, all the way down at lightweight, 690 00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:00,280 junior welterweight, welterweight, he's making his ninth defense and this is de la 691 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:06,079 Hoya. This is like prime Oscar. This is Oscar having destroyed Chavez in 692 00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:09,079 their first fight, had won the junior welterweight title, had defended the junior 693 00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:15,039 welterweight title in a beautiful performance against Miguel Angel Gonzalez, who was an undefeated 694 00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:16,559 fighter at top Mexican forty one to zero. Well, a lot of people 695 00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:20,400 thought might be on his way to the Hall of Fame, and Oscar absolutely 696 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,920 destroyed him in terms of a decision, but won easily. And now he's 697 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,480 moving up to welterweight. Now. There's been a lot of criticism over the 698 00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:31,840 years of Oscar's career pre welterweight where he was very very carefully matched, even 699 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:37,280 though he had some names. He's fighting like a Jennara Hernanez at lightweight, 700 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,840 but Gennaro was that his best at junior lightweight. He's fighting at James Leja 701 00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:44,440 at lightweight, where he was better in the lesser weight class, and you 702 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,480 know those types of things. You know, he had some people thought he 703 00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:52,480 got a gift against John John Molina obviously had destroyed Rafeo ro Wellies to unify 704 00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:57,639 titles at lightweight. But when he got to welterweight, that's when the brain 705 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:02,119 Trust top Rank Bruce Tramp or the Hall of Fame matchmaker his team, that's 706 00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:07,119 when they turned Oscar loose because he had done what he needed to do in 707 00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:10,400 the lesser weight classes, and once he got to the level of welterweights, 708 00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:14,719 now he was a developed fighter. You know, he was on point, 709 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:19,119 he was in great shape, and he was grown into that body. And 710 00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:21,719 they put him in with Pearnel Whittaker, who at the time was still a 711 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,519 very very formidable fighter. Now remember he had almost lost in his previous fight 712 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:31,039 in that great comeback he made against Hurtado where Oscar sitting ringside and Hurtado's kicking 713 00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:35,679 Parnel's ass and on the verge of a massive upset that's going to shut this 714 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,239 fight down and send it down the toilet, and Pearnel Whitaker comes back, 715 00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:44,360 you know with a shocking and I mean shocking late round knockout out of nowhere 716 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,320 to preserve the fight. So there was definitely the thought that maybe Parnel had 717 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,480 seen better days, but he was still champed and maybe that was just an 718 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,280 anomaly and he gave Oscar some trouble. But in the end, this was 719 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,199 a very, very big, big victory. Oscar actually went off in that 720 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,480 fight as a favorite about three to one there abouts, earn a huge payday 721 00:45:02,199 --> 00:45:06,840 ten million dollars, which was for Oscar his biggest payday at that point, 722 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,360 I think, even more than he made for the Chavez fight. You know, 723 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,960 Whittaker was making you know, five six million dollars for the fight. 724 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,639 You know, he did get dropped by Whittker on a flash knockdown late in 725 00:45:15,639 --> 00:45:19,199 the fight, but it showed you how far ahead he was that it really 726 00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:21,639 had zero impact on the score. It was sort of like he was kind 727 00:45:21,639 --> 00:45:23,880 of off balance more than a real punch, but he touched his glove down 728 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,440 on the canvas, so it wasn't like he was hurt, but it would 729 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,440 did. It did go down as an official, official knockdown. But this 730 00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:35,239 was a This was like a a a If you look at the great career 731 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,599 of Oscar and you look and you make a list of the great victories, 732 00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:40,679 He's had a lot of big victories, yeah, a lot of losses. 733 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,880 This is one of those victories that in the in the pantheon of the Dale 734 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,360 Hoya career may very well be at the very top of the list because this 735 00:45:47,519 --> 00:45:51,360 was a bonafide Hall of Famer. He won the title from him. He 736 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,440 went on a very impressive title reign as a welterweight, beating you know, 737 00:45:54,599 --> 00:45:58,840 several good fighters, staying very active. This you know he had beaten after 738 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,880 this, you know, he made some mandatory type fights and lesser fights, 739 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:06,920 but he'd beaten Camacho Rivera Chaviz in the rematch Coorte was a huge fight. 740 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,599 Ovacar probably the best welter rate of that time to never win a title, 741 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,880 and then got robbed against Trinidad, but still fought well in that fight. 742 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,679 So this was the start of that and beating Parnel Whittaker. Colonel Whitaker, 743 00:46:16,679 --> 00:46:21,280 granted near the end of his career, still a very very very big win 744 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,400 for Oscar. And again, both of those guys were Olympic gold medalist. 745 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,599 It was a big I remember all of that with a big deal. And 746 00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:29,320 you have repeatedly said this, and it's true. To wrap it up Oscar, 747 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,199 whatever you want to say. Oscar fought everybody and beat a lot of 748 00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:37,119 them, including on that night twenty seven years ago against sweet Pea Whittaker. 749 00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:40,280 We did get a lot of agree from some of the media, including my 750 00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:45,320 old time friend, my mentor in some respects, Michael Katz, a very 751 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:50,239 powerful voice for the New York Daily News, who hung the tag of Chicken 752 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,599 de la hoya on Oscar Mites I never thought was fair, but that was 753 00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:58,800 in reference to Oscar's refusal to give Colonel Whittaker a rematch. Interesting Chicken de 754 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,039 la hoya. Uh, but I don't know that I would ever call it 755 00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:05,000 that, but I guess that's what Mike. That's what Mike was, and 756 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,440 that's what he did. But again, he didn't shy away from fighting all 757 00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:12,039 kinds of guys down the road. Now maybe not a rematch, but Chavez 758 00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:15,880 it was a rematch shortly thereafter. Great stuff on the nostalgia all the way 759 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,079 back at the beginning of the pod, we gave you the preview Jerry Real, 760 00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:24,079 Big Baby Anderson headlining Top rank ESPN in Corpus Christy Again. The Jordan 761 00:47:24,199 --> 00:47:30,440 Gill main event for Matchroom is in the afternoon US time primetime, Manchester, 762 00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:34,800 England in the UK. Here comes the latest mentioned will handicap those fights on 763 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,360 the bet US Boxing show. Check us out one Eastern time bet Us platforms. 764 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:43,880 Dan and I are back live in Living color at one to handicap those 765 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,079 fights on Friday afternoon. As I always like to say, whatever happens, 766 00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:52,880 We're off the weekend with a recap podcast right here on this podcast feed to 767 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,239 talk about whatever happened to any other news of the week, et cetera. 768 00:47:55,360 --> 00:48:00,039 Other than that. Are we good? I think we're good. Thank Let's 769 00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:04,320 have a good fight weekend. Let's do that, and again we thank you 770 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,119 all for finding us. Follow along, subscribe, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify 771 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:12,519 here as part of the Big Fight Weekend podcast feed. You've been listening here 772 00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:15,079 to the Big Fight we can preview for Dan Rayfield. 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